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| 00:10.07 | brabo | for reference, xgps does work after manually installing python-gobject and libgtk-3-dev |
| 00:10.26 | brabo | seems to me those maybe should get installed as dependencies though? |
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| 00:24.27 | un214 | Is there any way to convince pulseaudio to continue playing sound when switching users via ctrl-alt-Fn? |
| 00:24.39 | un214 | I'm in the audio group and don't lose permissions on the sound files |
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| 00:48.45 | tinfoil-hat | Hey there, I have a problem with setting up fiche |
| 00:50.07 | tinfoil-hat | I apt-get install fiche , took the example systemdfile from /usr/share/doc/fiche, changed the url, andallowed the discribed port, however netcat doesn't let me cat to my fiche |
| 00:52.44 | jmcnaught | tinfoil-hat: anything in 'journalctl -u fiche' or 'systemctl status fiche'? |
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| 00:56.18 | tinfoil-hat | I just realized, the port is not accessable from the outside, maybe hoster related ... strange |
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| 01:25.09 | tinfoil-hat | jmcnaught: I solved the problem, it was really the hoster that was blocking any ports but 22 80 and 443 |
| 01:26.29 | jmcnaught | tinfoil-hat: cool, glad you figured it out. |
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| 02:57.33 | gh00p | I've got an X9DRL-iF motherboard whose fans won't slow down. After some research I found I can use `ipmitool thresh` to set lower speeds, but I might need to reset the BCM to make the new settings active. Any idea how I might do that without rebooting the server? Is there an `ipmitool` command that resets _only_ the BCM? |
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| 03:49.04 | b1ackandwh1te | gh00p, sorry but the topic of this channel is debian not hardware. |
| 03:50.19 | jmcnaught | Asking about a tool that is packaged for Debian is fine, but since nobody is answering there might be better places to ask. |
| 03:54.30 | bomb | obviously that question can't be asked in a non-Linux channel |
| 03:55.51 | bracham | honestly when looking to regulate the fan speed, i'd first check the BIOS settings. |
| 03:57.40 | bracham | sucks that it's a server, but that would be the first thing i'd try. or at least if he knows what bios it is, look it up and see if it has fan speed controls built in. |
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| 04:24.10 | bracham | so i just put debian on my main personal machine to try it out instead of ubuntu |
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| 04:36.38 | bomb | good choice |
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| 04:45.43 | bracham | ubuntu is easier to start on when moving from windows, but now that i've somewhat got the hang of stuff, and i've read that canonical is getting kinda buddy buddy with microsoft, i'd rather not stay with ubuntu |
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| 04:51.05 | bracham | question: is apt vs apt-get the same with debian as ubuntu, as in apt-get is deprecated and apt is the go-to? |
| 04:53.44 | gh00p | bracham: dmidecode tells me it's AMI version 3.0a, released 2013-08-08. I suppose a reboot might be the way to go, but it seems to me I should have SOME way to reset the BCM from the command line. |
| 04:54.23 | bomb | apt uses apt-get |
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| 05:02.18 | bracham | gh00p, is it your personal server? |
| 05:02.42 | gh00p | bracham: yes. |
| 05:03.24 | bracham | headless? |
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| 05:04.04 | somiaj | bracham: apt-get is not deprecated, it just has a stable interface, and is now used more for scripts while apt is more a user interface |
| 05:04.53 | gh00p | bracham: generally headless, though there's a keyboard and monitor available to plug in if I need to. I haven't connected the IPMI port up to the network because everything I needed seemed to be available through ipmitool. |
| 05:05.08 | bracham | somiaj, ah ok. thanks! |
| 05:05.10 | gh00p | I suppose that would get me remote access to BIOS. |
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| 05:07.23 | bracham | gh00p, i'm just looking up ipmi, i've never used it. |
| 05:08.07 | gh00p | bracham: IPMI rocks. Never run a server without it. :) |
| 05:09.02 | bracham | gh00p, a system has to be built with it though? |
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| 05:11.53 | gh00p | IPMI is an interface to the BCM, the Baseboard Management Controller. There are vendor-specific interfaces too -- ILO on HP systems, DRAC on Dell. Whatever your flavour of hardware, this provides vital management control for your hardware, as well as super useful interfaces for remote console, environment monitoring, etc. |
| 05:17.21 | bracham | gh00p, is the BCM typically listed in a dmidecode list, if it's available? |
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| 05:25.35 | bracham | gh00p, i don't see any such thing listed for my board |
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| 05:32.59 | gh00p | bracham: I don't think it's listed there. Check the specs for your motherboard to see if it includes IPMI. Does it have a "management" Ethernet jack on the back that you haven't figured out yet? If so, that may be OOB access to the BCM. |
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| 05:35.39 | bracham | gh00p, no there's no unexplained ports, and looking up my board it appears it's not an option. however, i may try overclocking a bit! |
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| 05:40.04 | bracham | gh00p, https://www.itworld.com/article/2708437/ipmi--the-most-dangerous-protocol-you-ve-never-heard-of.html |
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| 05:54.21 | gh00p | bracham: ya, well, anything can be set up badly. Some people are not paranoid enough. |
| 05:55.39 | bracham | gh00p, get anything figured? |
| 05:56.17 | gh00p | With the fans? Not yet. I'm going to set a window to reboot and check BIOS later in the week. |
| 05:56.52 | bracham | ah ok fair enough. is your server fairly constantly in use? |
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| 06:24.37 | gh00p | bracham: yes, it hosts VMs for email and web for my domain and a few freelance customers. Unannounced outages are bad for the reputation. :) |
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| 07:24.48 | lesless | folks, what would you use to see if application drops connection? |
| 07:24.58 | lesless | drops and re-establishes |
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| 07:27.45 | Haohmaru | what application? |
| 07:28.05 | b1ackandwh1te | application, vague... |
| 07:28.12 | Haohmaru | doesn't the application itself tell you already? |
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| 07:31.09 | lesless | sorry, early monday morning here. I suspect a bug in an grpc library that I'm using - it errors out with connection closed message while I suspect connection is still alive. I would like to check if connection establish to gRPC server is really dropped or not. |
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| 07:32.00 | b1ackandwh1te | !grpc |
| 07:32.10 | b1ackandwh1te | ,grpc |
| 07:32.45 | Haohmaru | something like a socket monitor then, but i don't know |
| 07:33.04 | Haohmaru | on crapdows there's TCPView |
| 07:33.30 | Haohmaru | at worst, wireshark ;P~ |
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| 07:35.26 | Haohmaru | also, a TCP socket may still be "open" and yet the program may say the connection is lost, so there's that too |
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| 07:38.17 | dutchfish | lesless, have you looked at https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=grpc ? |
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| 07:41.09 | dutchfish | lesless, also this one https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=959675 |
| 07:41.10 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/959675 in libgrpc++1 (open): «libgrpc++1: endless looping with default settings»; severity: serious; opened: 2020-05-03; last modified: 2020-05-24. |
| 07:41.26 | bird_icbm | gee |
| 07:41.29 | bird_icbm | oj |
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| 07:46.53 | b1ackandwh1te | how are you dpkg? |
| 07:47.22 | b1ackandwh1te | !dpkg how are you? |
| 07:47.22 | dpkg | b1ackandwh1te: pretty good. how about you? |
| 07:48.07 | b1ackandwh1te | dpkg, i'm ok! |
| 07:48.07 | dpkg | b1ackandwh1te: no idea |
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| 07:52.55 | dutchfish | lesless, to my humble opinion, grpc is a mess atm, either you port it yourself from upstream and fix the depency for abseil-cpp or wait for the maintainer to finish it. I would stear away from it, if it was my issue. |
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| 07:54.51 | dutchfish | lesless, https://github.com/grpc/grpc |
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| 08:03.33 | lesless | it is indeed, |
| 08:03.35 | lesless | thanks |
| 08:03.45 | lesless | "use boring tech" is the best option :) |
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| 08:04.45 | dutchfish | lesless, new isnt always better, specially when it comes to GCC and net-driven 'jewels'. |
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| 08:05.26 | b1ackandwh1te | dpkg, what time is it? |
| 08:05.27 | dpkg | b1ackandwh1te: what are you talking about? |
| 08:05.42 | b1ackandwh1te | dpkg, sorry! |
| 08:05.42 | dpkg | Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again... |
| 08:06.15 | ratrace | b1ackandwh1te: you can /msg and converse with the bot in private, you know :) |
| 08:06.27 | dutchfish | b1ackandwh1te, you can pester the bot with /msg too, you know? ;) |
| 08:06.35 | b1ackandwh1te | ratrace, i am sorry. |
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| 08:17.06 | trebuh | Hello, a friend of mine got a machine, and asked for help to "clean it". I got the following error while trying to install a new package. How can I fix it? https://bpa.st/GXCQ |
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| 08:26.02 | dutchfish | trebuh, have you tried installing libstdc++-8-dev first? |
| 08:26.46 | dutchfish | trebuh, your pastebin is not showing if you have older remenents still installed |
| 08:28.42 | dutchfish | trebuh, i assume you have tried apt update && apt upgrade first? |
| 08:30.16 | trebuh | dutchfish: I did, and get: "libstdc++-8-dev : Depends: libc6-dev (>= 2.13-5) but it is not going to be installed" which yields when I try to install it " libc6-dev : Depends: libc6 (= 2.28-10) but 2.30-8 is to be installed" |
| 08:30.23 | trebuh | I guess that's the root error |
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| 08:30.32 | trebuh | I did update and upgrade of course |
| 08:31.20 | trebuh | I am guessing downgrading libc6-dev would be the solution? |
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| 08:31.47 | dutchfish | trebuh, it might be that your configured repository is limping behind. Rince and repeat apt update && apt upgrade until you are on 2.30-8 |
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| 08:32.32 | jmcnaught | trebuh: it's recommended to use the release name ("buster") instead of "stable" in your sources.list so that when the next stable is released you don't get a surprise half-upgrade when you do "apt-get upgrade". |
| 08:32.49 | trebuh | what do you mean by rince? ( I suppose I have to change the source.list but to what?) |
| 08:33.03 | dutchfish | trebuh, i meant just repeat |
| 08:33.10 | trebuh | jmcnaught: oh good point |
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| 08:33.18 | jmcnaught | also if you are on buster then libc6 should be 2.28-10. 2.30-8 is the libc6 from testing, you don't want that. |
| 08:33.24 | jmcnaught | !bat |
| 08:33.24 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 08:33.27 | bird_icbm | can i throw a diary against an irc channel i dislike ? |
| 08:33.51 | jmcnaught | bird_icbm: not here please, this is a Debian tech support channel. |
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| 08:37.17 | ksk | Hola. Is there some kind of generic event on HDMI-monitor disconnection I can hook into somehow? (I would like to automagicly issue a xrandr command if monitor gets plugged out/in) |
| 08:37.34 | trebuh | jmcnaught: one sec, I'll clean my sources.list and provide the info |
| 08:39.20 | jmcnaught | trebuh: it's not that helpful if you remove repositories that you have installed packages from. That's like hiding the clues. |
| 08:39.45 | trebuh | jmcnaught: I just changed stable to buster |
| 08:39.54 | jmcnaught | Oh right |
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| 08:45.18 | trebuh | http://paste.debian.net/1148678/ first commands |
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| 16:58.14 | chmykh | Some time ago I was using hexchat. But then I have migrated to GNOME and liked that ascetic minimalizm, and Polari client without any functionality but chatting. |
| 16:58.16 | chmykh | :) |
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| 16:58.50 | b1ackandwh1te_ | xfce |
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| 17:01.09 | Xogium | hi folks :) quick question⦠Why is there no gitlab package for buster ? :/ |
| 17:01.21 | Xogium | only for stretch via backports, sid or experimental |
| 17:02.53 | avu | Xogium: https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=gitlab might give some hints |
| 17:02.58 | petn-randall | Xogium: Because it wasn't packaged at the time when buster was released. |
| 17:03.11 | Xogium | aww |
| 17:03.42 | ratrace | Xogium: gitlab has omnibus repo for debian, that you can use, though |
| 17:04.10 | Xogium | gitlab drives me crazy tbh⦠I used their official installer only to run into a brick wall, it trying to be smart and playing with sysctl⦠In a container |
| 17:04.12 | petn-randall | Xogium: Also it depends on many libraries that aren't in buster, so it's not 100% clear it will make it into bullseye. |
| 17:04.45 | ratrace | the omnibus repo is a sweet spot between native packaging, and a container :: it's a custom installer that bundles and installs everything tucked neatly under /opt/gitlab and /var/opt/gitlab |
| 17:05.05 | Xogium | yeah that's exactly this one that tries to play with sysctl, too |
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| 17:05.18 | Xogium | read-only filesystem. Huh, well, of course |
| 17:05.37 | Xogium | petn-randall: makes sense :/ |
| 17:07.35 | Xogium | and yep I could bind mount /sys in the container, but at that point I might as well noth bother with a container at all :D |
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| 17:08.58 | Xogium | I have no clue why its even trying to mess about in sysctl, tbh⦠But I guess its neither here nor there |
| 17:09.33 | Xogium | annoying that you can't bypass it though⦠|
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| 17:11.05 | petn-randall | Xogium: If you ask concrete questions we can probably help you with that. |
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| 17:11.33 | Xogium | heh, sorry for rambling :) |
| 17:11.49 | somiaj | isn't gitlab on fastrack? |
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| 17:11.52 | Xogium | I'm just beyond tired, been at this for several days |
| 17:12.07 | b1ackandwh1te_ | i saw in a blog how to hack many things. big professor. |
| 17:13.08 | somiaj | Xogium: there are gitlab packages on fastrack.debian.net, looks like they are in contrib. |
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| 17:13.34 | Xogium | in clear my host isn't debian, so I tired to make a debian container, the official install from gitlab failed, so I just came in here to ask about why it wasn't packaged⦠That would have made my life easier I reckon ;) but yeah |
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| 17:14.07 | Xogium | so I barely know debian |
| 17:14.18 | Xogium | I didn't know about fastrack that's for sure |
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| 17:14.56 | somiaj | fasttrack is new, and something that is still an work in progress, anything there is unoffical |
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| 17:15.07 | Xogium | ah |
| 17:15.32 | somiaj | the idea is fasttrack will provide a way to make packages for debian stable that cannot make it into the official stable for one reason or another. virtualbox is another one that may go there due to the fact debian stable cannot support it. |
| 17:15.48 | somiaj | Basically it is backports for stuff that cannot be backported normally from bullseye due to policy |
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| 17:16.01 | ayjay_t | hey i'm trying to make a .deb for github.com/sabatoge-linux/netbsd-curses, which is a ncurses replacement and a lib. i'm following aguide (but not for libs), could someone just take a looksy at termbin.com/etdw and let me know if they see any glaring errors? |
| 17:16.13 | somiaj | though if anything becomes of it or not is unsure, at the moment not much there, but gitlab is there |
| 17:16.20 | ayjay_t | that's my controlf ile |
| 17:16.35 | somiaj | Xogium: what do you need gitlab for? Do you need that complicated of a git interface? |
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| 17:17.37 | Xogium | somiaj: to make a long story short, gitlab is the only usable git over web with issue tracker, wiki, and so on that you can self-host, and which is screen reader friendly |
| 17:18.40 | somiaj | Xogium: have you seen gitbucket? It runs fully in java and is self contained (easy to download/install/use). It isn't as fully featured as gitlab, but it has everything you talked about |
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| 17:19.05 | somiaj | I ended up going with that because I don't need a lot, and it gave a simple web interface, and was easy to isntall/matain since it runs fully in java |
| 17:19.22 | Xogium | there was gitea that I liked because it was super easy to setup and all that, but I realized within 30 seconds of being connected that something was very wrong -- the dropdowns weren't read at all. 99% of its ui was unusable |
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| 17:20.33 | Xogium | hmm no I didn't see that one |
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| 17:21.03 | Xogium | got any types to avoid java eating all your ram for breakfast though ? :D |
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| 17:21.45 | somiaj | you can find the source on github, and I ended up using it because I just needed somethig simple for people I work with who need a graphical ui for git. |
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| 17:22.16 | somiaj | anyways, this isn't really debian, but might be something to look at if you don't want gitlab, though hopefully the fasttrack package helps you with gitlab if you decide to go that way. |
| 17:22.28 | Xogium | somiaj: do you know what ui framework it uses ? Bootstrap, material ui, react js ? |
| 17:22.57 | somiaj | looks like bootstrap |
| 17:23.03 | Xogium | hm |
| 17:23.12 | Xogium | that should do then, that really should |
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| 17:23.38 | Xogium | thanks a ton <3 you made my day with that, gitlab or not |
| 17:23.43 | somiaj | it is simple enough you can download the .jar and run it in java and test it out quickly |
| 17:24.20 | somiaj | I tried it and gitlab, git lab was a pain and had way to many features, gitbucket took me a fraction of the time to get up and has worked okay for my very limited use case |
| 17:24.25 | somiaj | but it has a wiki and an issue tracker |
| 17:24.31 | somiaj | (I don't use either, so I just turn them off) |
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| 17:25.38 | somiaj | Xogium: https://github.com/gitbucket |
| 17:25.43 | Xogium | lol I hear you |
| 17:26.12 | Xogium | awesome, thanks a bunch ! :) |
| 17:27.42 | somiaj | https://gitbucket.github.io/ -- even has a demo you can try |
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| 17:29.43 | IpSo | Anyone know why systemd-resolved is returning inconsistent lookup results for the same domain when there is only a single DNS server specified? On the same command I can do a dig, then a ping, then a dig again, and the 1st dig returns one IP, the ping a different IP, and the 2nd dig the same as the ping. |
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| 17:30.17 | Xogium | somiaj: woah almost looks like github |
| 17:30.33 | somiaj | Xogium: its api is even compadable with github |
| 17:30.44 | Xogium | yeah I read that |
| 17:31.44 | jmcnaught | IpSo: are all the results valid? |
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| 17:42.12 | ayjay_t | huh so dh_install looks for build files in debian/tmp/usr/{lib,include,share} but it seems like `make install` writes them to .../usr/local/... |
| 17:42.34 | ayjay_t | should i configure dh_install to look for them in local or should i change control to somehow tell `make install` to not write them there? |
| 17:43.09 | ayjay_t | ie PREFIX=/usr instead of /usr/local |
| 17:43.31 | ayjay_t | uhh change rules i mean |
| 17:43.34 | ayjay_t | sorry i'm a mess here |
| 17:44.38 | IpSo | jmcnaught, it appears to somehow be querying a public DNS server and not the DNS server that is specified. So the results are not "correct" given the server it should be querying. |
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| 17:45.50 | somiaj | ayjay_t: did you actually run make install? |
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| 17:46.25 | jmcnaught | IpSo: I've only used systemd-resolved a little. Did you configure the DNS servers in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf or in per-link .network files? What's in your /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 17:46.32 | ayjay_t | no i'm not running make install manually, but if I want to override PREFIX so that it installs lib/ to a location where dh_install looks for it, i'm assuming I have to override the dh_* target to add the PREFIX env var |
| 17:46.37 | ayjay_t | ^^^ somiaj |
| 17:47.15 | ayjay_t | right now i'm thinking i need to override_dh_auto_install: export PREFIX=/usr |
| 17:47.15 | somiaj | ayjay_t: what command are you running, debian helper should adjust where things are put, you shouldn't need to mess with PREFIX |
| 17:47.28 | ayjay_t | uh i ran dh_make and then debuilder |
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| 17:47.57 | IpSo | jmcnaught, DNS server is specified through DHCP. It is confirmed to be correct and the *only* DNS server showing under: systemd-resolve --status |
| 17:48.09 | Jekkan | Hi all! I'm going to installing debian to try it, and i would like to know how is the debian btrfs support... anyone use btrfs? |
| 17:48.09 | ayjay_t | but the lib files are ending up in package-dir/debian/tmp/usr/local/lib instead of package-dir/debian/tmp/usr/lib and debuilder is throwing an error because of that on dh_install: |
| 17:48.39 | IpSo | jmcnaught, thats the confusing part... If I had our local DNS server specified, and a public one, it would make sense that it could return results from either. But only a single DNS server is specified, and its not one that ever returns the results its getting. |
| 17:48.57 | ayjay_t | omg this exact instance is documented in the debian.org/Packaging/Intro |
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| 17:49.56 | somiaj | ayjay_t: oh I miss understood, I thought you said they were ending up in /usr/local, not debian/tmp/.... anyways, I think you need to do this at the configuration script, so ./configure --prefix=/usr needs to be run, I forget the exact override to do this though (I think you want to append it with some variable that includes all the other configuration options from debian helper) |
| 17:50.25 | somiaj | you missed the wiki. |
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| 17:50.41 | ayjay_t | ah yeah i did, right thanks |
| 17:51.18 | ayjay_t | but yeah, no configure step, so i'm aiming at override_dh_auto_install right now |
| 17:51.28 | jmcnaught | IpSo: which public server is it contacting? resolved.conf(5) has a FallbackDNS= but I don't know if it is used in Debian. Do you have 'nameserver 127.0.0.53' in /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 17:53.12 | somiaj | ayjay_t: hmm, I wonder which way is preferable, though I think if you use dh_auto_configure it allows you to override other configuration flags and should default to including --prefix=/usr for thigns to set that for you |
| 17:53.13 | IpSo | jmcnaught, no idea which server its querying. No FallbackDNS is specfied, and 127.0.0.53 is the only line in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 17:54.07 | ayjay_t | yeah but i mean, this repo _has_ no configure |
| 17:54.19 | ayjay_t | i'm actually getting choked up on the fact that it's a lib too because its a bit more complex than a binary |
| 17:54.21 | Psil0Cybin | eyy guys i have a question anyone here use RKHUNTER or any kind of tools like this to check for malware on linux machines? |
| 17:54.24 | somiaj | ayjay_t: ahh, that is probably it |
| 17:54.39 | Psil0Cybin | im used to using RKhunter and after installing it on my new Debian 10 install I got something strange that popped up in my logs |
| 17:54.41 | jmcnaught | IpSo: dig doesn't show a line like ';; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.3.1)'? |
| 17:54.55 | Psil0Cybin | Rootkit checks... Rootkits checked : 478 Possible rootkits: 8 - confused if this is a false positive. |
| 17:55.06 | Psil0Cybin | how can i check this out or dig deeper as I am confused. |
| 17:55.16 | ayjay_t | it sucks because this is actually a super straight forward repo |
| 17:55.57 | somiaj | ayjay_t: I can see if the makefile is what sets the dest dir and prefix, that method seems reasonable. |
| 17:56.13 | somiaj | probably the --prefix=/usr is aapended to configure, so if that step is not used.. |
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| 17:57.07 | IpSo | jmcnaught, I use dig <domain> @127.0.0.53 and the result changes at some random interval. |
| 17:57.39 | IpSo | jmcnaught, if I restart resolved it goes back to the correct value for a few tries, then changes again. |
| 17:58.02 | ayjay_t | somiaj, you can also add PREFIX as an env var to `make install`, so it's not a problem yet |
| 17:58.21 | jmcnaught | IpSo: and it's giving you invalid results at that point? |
| 17:58.24 | ayjay_t | the control file for a lib is a bit confusing, like why is there is a package mypackage and also mypackage-dev, i feel like i only want mypackage-dev |
| 17:58.49 | bthomas | Anyone know if Debian/Stable installer (kernel 4.19) will work for a AMD Ryzen 5 3500U laptop (https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Linux-Hardware/Linux-Notebooks/15-16-inch/TUXEDO-Book-BA15-Gen10.tuxedo) ? |
| 17:59.24 | IpSo | jmcnaught, yup. I literally restart resolved, then run: dig <domain> @127.0.0.53 ; ping <domain> ; dig <domain> @127.0.0.53 -- All on one command, it usually changes after the ping. |
| 17:59.53 | IpSo | jmcnaught, first dig and ping return the proper IP, then 2nd dig returns the wrong one. |
| 18:00.23 | IpSo | jmcnaught, not 100% of the time though, but usually happens within 1-2mins of restarting resolved |
| 18:00.32 | jmcnaught | IpSo: that's pretty strange. I might try using strace on dig to look for clues. |
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| 18:00.52 | somiaj | ayjay_t: you want both, one is a runtime lib, the other is the development headers to build linking to the lib. |
| 18:01.01 | somiaj | ayjay_t: only building needs the -dev part |
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| 18:01.26 | IpSo | jmcnaught, ya, its driving me nuts. |
| 18:02.11 | ayjay_t | oh yeah somiaj that makes sense |
| 18:02.26 | ayjay_t | so then netbsd-curses should contain lib*.so and netbsd-curses-dev should contain include/* |
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| 18:03.02 | brutser | i encrypt rootfs, crypted device: sda2_crypt - then create partition scheme root/swap/home - this is done on msata, now i need to create grub manually on sd card, this is what i am trying to figure out, everything else works: grub.cfg reads -> cryptomount -p (ahci0,msdos2) -> root='crypto0,msdos1' -> linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/mapper/sda2_crypt:root |
| 18:03.03 | brutser | quiet -> initrd /initrd.img <-- the root=/dev/mapper/sda2_crypt:root fails, it is not found. to what value do i need to set root? |
| 18:03.16 | ayjay_t | i guess i just don't know how to configure rules/control and run debuild for a library? |
| 18:03.25 | ayjay_t | and the tutorials on this are really for single binaries |
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| 18:07.07 | ayjay_t | actually after a little bit more research it seems like maybe the learning curve for single binaries to packaging libraries is.... significantly bigger |
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| 18:09.42 | somiaj | ayjay_t: at some level a libary is a compiled binary. When debian says control for a binary package, they mean the packaged .deb you get, vs a source package with contains info about the source (upstream + debian/ additions), which is a different type of package. |
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| 18:15.07 | ayjay_t | i'm not reallyy sure what you're trying to tell me there, the control for a library includes information about the source and two packages, name and name-dev |
| 18:15.17 | ayjay_t | which makes sense, although naming them properly is a bit obtuse |
| 18:15.27 | ayjay_t | i'm looking into use bzr now instead of just dh-make |
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| 19:00.07 | Zewwy | I noticed Debian uses fastly for its update dilvery system |
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| 19:00.35 | Zewwy | What URLs do I need to consider when behind a secure fireall utilizig URL blocking rules |
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| 19:06.58 | zodd | Zewwy, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository |
| 19:08.49 | Zewwy | zodd I see no refernce to fastly domain extentino in any of the repos mentioned |
| 19:09.21 | Zewwy | when I do an apt-get update I see the server attempting to reach prod.debian.map.fastly.net |
| 19:10.03 | zodd | Zewwy, that would depend on the contents of /etc/apt/sources.* |
| 19:10.17 | Zewwy | I haven't edited, all default bian 10 install |
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| 19:10.22 | Zewwy | Debian 10* |
| 19:10.59 | Zewwy | Debian clearly is using Fastly for it's CDN |
| 19:14.15 | Zewwy | Any other references to be more accurate on th eURL behind a dedicated CDN would be preferred |
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| 19:17.13 | zodd | Zewwy, old, yet maybe still current: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror |
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| 19:19.00 | petn-randall | Zewwy: I'm not sure what you're asking for. Are you really firewalling outgoing traffic? |
| 19:19.17 | spinningcat | i connected my pc to another screen with hdmi cable. I want to use only one screen and want to close up laptop screen. And i want my computer not putting into sleep. How can i do that? |
| 19:19.32 | Zewwy | gross |
| 19:19.37 | petn-randall | Zewwy: If so, then it might be better to pick any other mirror, and then just whitelist the IP address. However, you'll have to manually fix anything when the IP address ever changes. |
| 19:19.55 | spinningcat | is there any setting for that_ |
| 19:19.56 | spinningcat | ? |
| 19:19.59 | Zewwy | deb.debian.org is an aliase for prod.debain.map.fastly.net |
| 19:20.29 | petn-randall | spinningcat: You can configure your laptop to not sleep when closed. Most DEs have such settings under power management. |
| 19:20.44 | petn-randall | Zewwy: That's why I said pick different mirror. |
| 19:20.47 | spinningcat | hmm |
| 19:20.57 | petn-randall | !mirror |
| 19:20.57 | dpkg | The best mirror for most users is <deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <deb.debian.org>, <debian mirror checker>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <ftpsync>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:20.59 | Zewwy | no I'll use the deafult mirror provided by Debian |
| 19:21.01 | petn-randall | Zewwy: ^^^ |
| 19:21.32 | Zewwy | it's just be nice if they provided this details in the repo sewctino to say HEY we use Fastly for our CDN and load balacing requirements |
| 19:21.41 | Zewwy | deb.debian.org will match those records |
| 19:21.57 | Zewwy | thus URL cat rules should work just fine, or may need to be added to work behind such firewalls |
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| 19:22.28 | petn-randall | Zewwy: If you want to use deb.debian.org, then simply use your favourite packet sniffer, and whitelist all IPs that the mirror resolves and redirects to. |
| 19:22.44 | petn-randall | Should probably be ~500 IP addresses. |
| 19:22.49 | Zewwy | I shouldn't have to reverse engineer the DNS infrasturcture to setup a proper URL category rule for a debian server |
| 19:22.51 | petn-randall | or more. |
| 19:22.54 | Zewwy | yeah |
| 19:23.05 | Zewwy | the whoile point of using URLs instead of direct IPs |
| 19:23.37 | Zewwy | no the firewall already does reverse look ups thus that work is not requried, just be open with yoru CDNs in your docuemtnation |
| 19:23.44 | petn-randall | Zewwy: Or you set up a local apt-cacher-ng, and allow that to talk to any server via 80/tcp. |
| 19:24.25 | petn-randall | Zewwy: What info is missing on https://deb.debian.org/? |
| 19:24.41 | Zewwy | prod.debian.map.fastly.net |
| 19:24.50 | Zewwy | or the fact Fastly is used as a CDN at all |
| 19:24.53 | Zewwy | be open about that |
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| 19:25.11 | petn-randall | Zewwy: It's literally on that page. |
| 19:25.20 | Zewwy | do a dig or nslookup and you'll see deb.debian.org is just an alias for the URL i just stated |
| 19:25.31 | petn-randall | ... |
| 19:25.43 | Zewwy | fair enough |
| 19:25.54 | Zewwy | I was not shared that that info should be under the repo details area |
| 19:26.05 | Zewwy | but hey nothing like hunting for info |
| 19:26.06 | jmcnaught | spinningcat: if you can't get suspend on lid close to disable in your desktop environment then what I do is set HandleLidSwitch=ignore in /etc/systemd/logind.conf. There's also HandleLidSwitchExternalPower and HandleLidSwitchDocked⦠Read about them in "man logind.conf" |
| 19:26.25 | Zewwy | second time in a couple days I've been here cause obvious info was not where I expected it to be |
| 19:26.45 | petn-randall | Zewwy: So ... where do you expect it to be, other than on the URL you're trying to figure out? |
| 19:27.03 | Zewwy | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror |
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| 19:27.09 | Zewwy | for one that was shared with me earilier |
| 19:27.18 | Zewwy | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository |
| 19:27.23 | Zewwy | also one that was shared with me eailier |
| 19:27.34 | petn-randall | Zewwy: It's a wiki, feel free to add it. |
| 19:27.34 | Zewwy | teh actual wiki |
| 19:27.42 | Zewwy | moving on with my life |
| 19:29.28 | petn-randall | Zewwy: Your approach still won't work because HTTP redirects are involved. |
| 19:29.54 | Zewwy | Thats nice |
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| 19:30.15 | petn-randall | Zewwy: So if you really want to firewall egress traffic, set up an apt-cacher with more relaxed firewalling that the other servers access. |
| 19:30.33 | petn-randall | Zewwy: Or use one of the many official mirrors that have static IP addresses. |
| 19:30.42 | Zewwy | or you could just have accurate URLs needing to be hit to work with URL based firewall rules |
| 19:30.50 | Zewwy | but who uses modern fuirewalls these days |
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| 19:31.19 | petn-randall | Good point, I know nobody who'd run with your setup. |
| 19:31.26 | Zewwy | lol |
| 19:31.33 | Zewwy | Security yeah who does that |
| 19:31.55 | petn-randall | Yeah, because DNS-based firewalling is "security". |
| 19:32.05 | Zewwy | Locking down a server to only URL it shoudl hit, yeah stupid desifgn |
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| 19:32.16 | petn-randall | I agree with you on that. |
| 19:32.26 | Zewwy | Application layer firewall with only apps it should hit, stupid design |
| 19:32.35 | Zewwy | such dumb security |
| 19:32.47 | petn-randall | Zewwy: Anyways, do you have any other Debian support question? |
| 19:32.47 | Zewwy | I should go back to simple layer 3 and 4 based sceurity |
| 19:32.51 | Zewwy | sooo much better |
| 19:33.01 | Zewwy | Nope |
| 19:33.06 | Zewwy | You've proven a lot thank you |
| 19:33.11 | petn-randall | Great, have a nice day. |
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| 21:46.05 | oxek | I was given 50+ old laptops to refurbish and give to schoolchildren for e-learning. Can someone tell me what the real risk is of using the kernel parameter mitigations=off for their workflow, which involves visiting a single school website and using videochat with the teachers? |
| 21:47.12 | sney | it sounds like you're already aware that there isn't much of a practical risk |
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| 21:55.45 | oxek | sney: orders come from above, boss has read about zoom-bombing so I need to present something that is secure, yet useable. |
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| 21:57.07 | ladderff | hello all, trying to figure out why wifi on my MacBook Pro5,5 would have gotten so much worse after switching from stretch to buster. lspci reports the nic is a BCM4322; I've tried b43 and wl drivers |
| 21:57.46 | ladderff | don't recall having to do anything special under stretch. power management is off according to iwconfig. Link quality 70/70 |
| 21:59.05 | sney | oxek: have you checked if the laptops are usable even without mitigations turned off? a lot of the time an "old" laptop is an i5 or something and perfectly usable for normal stuff even with the spectre kernel disadvantage. also, your boss might be interested to know that the zoom problems were server-side |
| 22:00.12 | sney | ladderff: interesting, there was someone asking a similar question just yesterday. it might be a kernel regression. can you try with the kernel from buster-backports? |
| 22:00.40 | ladderff | There's an apt package for it ? |
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| 22:01.23 | sney | !buster-backports |
| 22:01.23 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
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| 22:01.40 | sney | ^ enable that, then 'apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-amd64' |
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| 22:05.11 | ladderff | sure |
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| 22:05.16 | ladderff | what's the best way to |
| 22:05.22 | ladderff | assess whether it's made a difference, |
| 22:05.25 | ladderff | just rsync again? |
| 22:05.59 | sney | yeah or however you determined there was a problem |
| 22:06.10 | ladderff | all right |
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| 22:07.27 | ladderff | sney: all right, installing via apt. I'll let you knwo |
| 22:07.38 | sney | ok |
| 22:08.08 | ladderff | was the other guy on a MacBook and/or using a BCM43xx ? |
| 22:08.37 | sney | I think it was a mac mini, but yes it was a bcm43xx |
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| 22:09.31 | rotaticus | all my non / partition are listed in fstab, with options "defaults" and that defaults to NOEXEC totally opposite to wiki.debian.org/fstab --- is that intentional? |
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| 22:10.21 | rotaticus | also is / listed in fstab with defaults BUT there its exec ... WHY? |
| 22:10.22 | ladderff | hm didn't this package used to _add_ a grub menu item, not just replace? anyway, booting! |
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| 22:11.43 | sney | rotaticus: man mount still lists defaults as rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, and async. there must be something else going on |
| 22:12.23 | rotaticus | sney: so does the wiki, just my mtab says noexec |
| 22:12.44 | sney | rotaticus: if you remount one of them (e.g. mount /foo -o remount,exec) are you able to execute from it? |
| 22:14.11 | rotaticus | sney: yes i am |
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| 22:15.46 | sney | hmm. |
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| 22:15.58 | sney | have you confirmed that this happens every time you boot? |
| 22:16.09 | rotaticus | yes |
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| 22:17.28 | ladderff | sney: booted to console |
| 22:17.52 | ladderff | for whatever reason on this kernel the DM didn't make it into life. |
| 22:18.25 | sney | ladderff: if you had to do anything special to get graphics before, you will have to do it again with the new kernel. |
| 22:18.44 | ladderff | I didn't |
| 22:19.06 | ladderff | for now just trying to get wifi up; I modprobed b43 |
| 22:19.12 | ladderff | but don't seem to be able to connect using wpa_cli |
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| 22:19.47 | sney | huh. if you do 'dmesg |grep -i firmware' do you see any 'failed to load' errors? |
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| 22:20.27 | ladderff | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.53 | ladderff | I get some warnings about 'PIO' |
| 22:21.12 | ladderff | also wlan0: authentication with ... timed out |
| 22:23.14 | sney | if you 'iw wlan0 scan' can you see the AP? |
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| 22:25.19 | ladderff | no output from 'iw wlan0 scan' |
| 22:25.37 | rotaticus | rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime are the default option for the non-root partitions, sorry i missed the "users" option before in the fstab |
| 22:25.50 | ladderff | wpa_cli now saying network-not-found ... |
| 22:26.07 | ladderff | and actually its scan results are empty |
| 22:26.12 | jhutchins | ladderff: You're working as root, right? |
| 22:26.15 | ladderff | I am |
| 22:26.18 | sney | well that didn't make anything better. boot back into the older kernel I suppose |
| 22:26.24 | ladderff | lol |
| 22:26.28 | jhutchins | r |
| 22:26.30 | jhutchins | Dec. Home insurance & taxes: $5,800fkill? |
| 22:26.32 | ladderff | ok now I have to go edit grub's menu |
| 22:26.37 | jhutchins | rfkill? |
| 22:26.42 | ladderff | or can I just remove the kernel package |
| 22:26.54 | jhutchins | I hate this trackpad. |
| 22:26.55 | sney | the 4.19 kernel should still be in the list |
| 22:26.59 | ladderff | it's not... |
| 22:27.10 | f8e4 | hi folks, fs.inotify.max_user_watches = 524288 |
| 22:27.13 | sney | it'll be under "advanced options for debian" or whatever |
| 22:27.21 | f8e4 | a forum says add it, but is it safe in /etc/sysctl.conf? |
| 22:27.26 | ladderff | oh ok. didn't used to nest like that, did it |
| 22:27.37 | sney | I think it's been that way since jessie |
| 22:27.55 | ladderff | lol fair enough. am I showing my age? |
| 22:28.02 | sney | shrug |
| 22:28.32 | ladderff | ok booting back to 4.19 |
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| 22:29.28 | ladderff | what I've done so far to try to deal with this is, try b43 and wl, and make sure power management is off |
| 22:29.57 | ladderff | and just to repeat myself, no problems when it was running stretch |
| 22:30.23 | ladderff | but I am not sure which driver I was using then |
| 22:30.28 | ladderff | d'oh |
| 22:32.08 | sney | the other guy from yesterday gave up and ordered a usb wifi adapter. I hope that's not the only option. broadcom hardware is annoying but until now it's always been possible to make it work |
| 22:32.22 | ladderff | well yeah and nobody likes a regression |
| 22:33.17 | ladderff | it's my girlfriend's laptop & trying to convince her that one does |
| 22:33.18 | ladderff | shit |
| 22:33.20 | ladderff | wife |
| 22:33.24 | ladderff | wife's laptop |
| 22:33.42 | ladderff | convince her you don't need to buy a new phone every year and a new computer every 19 months |
| 22:34.59 | brokencycle | Hi! I'm having trouble with docker messing up my network. I've created a nftables configuration, |
| 22:35.05 | ladderff | so I may just put stretch back on |
| 22:35.44 | brokencycle | which contains a number of rules in the input chain, but when I restart the machine, they are all gone. |
| 22:36.46 | brokencycle | If I manually restart nftables, they come back. But this is highly unsatisfactory. What should I do? I'm on Buster. |
| 22:36.47 | sney | ladderff: yeah, at least get back to where it's working and then you can try a slower upgrade and see where the problem is |
| 22:37.01 | ladderff | yeah, ok thanks for the advice |
| 22:37.25 | ladderff | I'll report back if anything enlightening happens |
| 22:38.51 | sney | ok, good luck. |
| 22:39.36 | pwnd_nsfw` | I remember like 10 years ago leaving my linux box in a weird spot because I had to leave it wired, not being able to figure out wifi drivers. Then I gave up on linux for some time |
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| 22:40.50 | cybercrypto | pwnd_nsfw`: sorry to hear that :-) |
| 22:40.59 | pwnd_nsfw` | I recently gave it another go, and now weird things abruptly happening. I think it may deal with Chrome and youtube, after resizing or doing some other window transformation actions |
| 22:42.08 | pwnd_nsfw` | Actually, google won't even load proper in Firefox right now. So weird. |
| 22:42.13 | pwnd_nsfw` | Definitely an OS with a personality lol |
| 22:42.39 | pwnd_nsfw` | My hexchat title bar is missing half the letters |
| 22:45.37 | cybercrypto | pwnd_nsfw`: please, be clear. elaborate on your first query. describe your issue, what is you are trying to achieve. debian version/ HW details, anything you believe is important for us to analize together. |
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| 22:49.04 | pwnd_nsfw` | Watching youtube, multi tasking, I go to either resize, drag to another monitor, full screen, etc., it will make any Chrome window (tab or window) unresponsive to any input. iirc, even the title bar for the application was unresponsive. So, couldn't close out using the title bar as well. |
| 22:49.22 | pwnd_nsfw` | It's happened twice so far, but the first time it was easy enough to just exit the application and open it up. |
| 22:49.34 | pwnd_nsfw` | But always while a youtube video was playing |
| 22:50.04 | pwnd_nsfw` | is when this occurs. I restarted my machine last to remedy the issue |
| 22:51.11 | pwnd_nsfw` | I have 3 monitors, using plasma, nvidia device |
| 22:51.33 | pwnd_nsfw` | Actually, the first time i restarted it, I couldn't login as in... No input was being received then as well. |
| 22:51.51 | pwnd_nsfw` | Mouse cursor was moving and visible in all situations I have described |
| 22:52.25 | pwnd_nsfw` | When chrome would lock up, other applications were fine. |
| 22:54.50 | cybercrypto | pwnd_nsfw`: do you use nouveau module for nvidia? |
| 22:56.14 | jhutchins | pwnd_nsfw`: Where did you get your chrome? |
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| 23:01.16 | pwnd_nsfw` | cybercrypto, gonna say no, jhutchins downloaded from google directly |
| 23:03.28 | cybercrypto | pwnd_nsfw`: what is the output of: lsmod | grep -i vid |
| 23:04.14 | cybercrypto | pwnd_nsfw`: do you have plasma + x11 or plasma + wayland? |
| 23:04.39 | oxek | are there any files in a user's home folder that should be owned by root? |
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| 23:37.34 | pwnd_nsfw` | cybercrypto, sorry for being afk. |
| 23:37.35 | pwnd_nsfw` | https://gist.github.com/SirUncleCid/7e352f862eace1f6e304b0e7060da7ce |
| 23:37.52 | pwnd_nsfw` | And I want to say x11, I don't remember picking explicitly. |
| 23:38.16 | pwnd_nsfw` | Yes, I have x11 |
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