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| 00:53.48 | oxek | what is the proper safe way of removing old unused kernel versions? |
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| 00:54.39 | LtL | apt autoremove |
| 00:54.51 | oxek | that did not seem to do the job |
| 00:55.13 | oxek | when I boot, my grub still has options for old kernel versions |
| 00:55.23 | oxek | and I did run `update-grub` |
| 00:56.24 | neox | You can do apt purge linux-image-<version to be deleted>-amd64 |
| 00:56.38 | neox | Bash completion can help you |
| 00:57.05 | oxek | neox: that would work, but I know myself - I will definitely accidentally either delete all kernels, or the latest one. Hence was asking if there is a proper safe way of doing this. |
| 00:57.42 | neox | Apt warns you if you try to delete the kernel in use |
| 00:58.23 | neox | To be sure, you can do `apt list linux-image* --installed` |
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| 01:00.45 | neox | You can delete the `linux-header` related packages too |
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| 01:01.07 | neox | (Except if you use them to dev) |
| 01:01.16 | oxek | hmm, apt did not ask me any extra questions when I tried removing running version of kernel. I did abort it of course. |
| 01:01.30 | jmcnaught | some people need headers for DKMS |
| 01:01.31 | neox | Whut ? Strange |
| 01:02.02 | neox | jmcnaught: not headers of old versions actually |
| 01:02.17 | oxek | neox: I did `apt purge linux-image-4.19.0-9-amd64` and aborted at "Do you want to continue? [Y/n]". There was no indication that it is the running kernel. |
| 01:02.57 | neox | oxek: ok my bad. Perhaps because this is a new feature of the new apt... |
| 01:03.17 | oxek | my /boot is slowly filling up, so I'll need to sort this out at some point. |
| 01:03.18 | neox | (i'm on bullseye) |
| 01:03.58 | neox | oxek: you can use apt list to figure out what are the old versions that you can purge |
| 01:04.02 | dvs | oxek, what's stopping you from deleting the other kernels? |
| 01:04.52 | oxek | ok, so it's safe if I first use `apt list linux-image-* --installed` to find out which versions I have, and then `apt purge` the old versions? |
| 01:04.56 | oxek | that will remove everything? |
| 01:05.04 | oxek | without messing any dependency? |
| 01:05.42 | dvs | oxek, I'd leave the two latest kernels |
| 01:07.34 | neox | oxek: using `apt purge` removes everything. And no problem with dependencies at all if you do that |
| 01:08.17 | oxek | dvs: sounds like a good idea, I'll leave the last two |
| 01:08.34 | oxek | thank you everyone |
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| 01:11.36 | somiaj | oxek: apt autoremove should be removing old kernels. For saftey it always keeps the latest two kernels. Apt/dpkg has always warned you when trying to remove the running kernel. |
| 01:12.03 | oxek | well my apt is misbehaving then |
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| 01:13.16 | somiaj | the config file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels should be doing that |
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| 01:14.23 | somiaj | which is created by /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal |
| 01:14.41 | oxek | I do indeed have that file, and it indeed lists only the last two kernels |
| 01:14.56 | oxek | perhaps the older kernels have been removed but grub has not picked up on that? |
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| 01:15.17 | dvs | oxek, perhaps? look in /boot |
| 01:16.03 | somiaj | I guess it can keep up to four kernels as it checks various things, though often times there is overlap, making two to normal it keeps around |
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| 01:18.43 | oxek | /boot indeed contains only the last two kernels |
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| 01:20.32 | somiaj | is grub controlled by another os, wonder why update-grub isn't triggering? If you run update-grub manually does it find just the two kernels? |
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| 01:24.32 | soft_concrete | Hi, let's say I install a package, foo, and it installs dependencies bar1 and bar2. How do I remove foo, bar1 and bar2 if I forget the names of bar1 and bar2? i.e. how do I remove a package and its dependencies that aren't needed by other packages? |
| 01:25.50 | dvs | soft_concrete, you just remove foo and bar1 and bar2 should be automatically uninstalled (unless another package can depend on them) |
| 01:25.54 | somiaj | apt remove foo followed by apt autoremove will get rid of them |
| 01:26.12 | oxek | not if some other package suggests bar1 or bar2 |
| 01:26.15 | somiaj | there are edge cases due to suggested depends (or recommends if you for some reason didn't install them previousally) |
| 01:26.18 | soft_concrete | ok, thanks |
| 01:26.31 | annadane | "suggests" would still get autoremove'd |
| 01:26.38 | annadane | it's Depends or Recommends to watch out for |
| 01:26.47 | annadane | same as regular packages |
| 01:26.49 | somiaj | annadane: not if another package on your system that is manuall 'suggests' that apcakge. |
| 01:26.51 | oxek | annadane: that's not my experience |
| 01:26.58 | annadane | really. well, TIL |
| 01:27.13 | somiaj | package X suggest Y, Y isn't installed, you install package Z, it pulls in Y as a depends, but autoremove won't get rid of Y |
| 01:28.18 | somiaj | It is an edge case, often times disk space is all that is lost and it is neglectiable, and package X that you want installed now has more functionality. |
| 01:28.34 | somiaj | But there is argument for having a slightly better rolleback method |
| 01:29.19 | oxek | is there some installation log that apt keeps for every installation? Some text file that could be viewed to find out what was done to the system, where you could look up what was installed with a particular package you want to uninstall? |
| 01:30.24 | somiaj | oxek: yes, /var/log/apt/history |
| 01:30.42 | somiaj | it tracks the exact command entered, and the resulting packages installed/removed/etc |
| 01:30.50 | oxek | somiaj: /var/log/apt/history: No such file or directory |
| 01:31.03 | oxek | does that come by default do or do I need to enable it somewhere? |
| 01:32.10 | somiaj | oxek: history<tab> |
| 01:32.21 | oxek | ok, it was /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 01:32.46 | somiaj | yea, sorry I dind't complete it cause of all the .1, .2, .3, from rotatin, I should have just said look in /var/log/apt/ |
| 01:33.10 | oxek | nah, fault was on my end, I should have looked in that dir myself |
| 01:33.23 | oxek | thank you for that knowledge, it looks like a useful file |
| 01:33.29 | oxek | soft_concrete: might be useful for you too |
| 01:34.21 | somiaj | I think it is only apt though, so dpkg, aptitude, synamptic might not be logged there |
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| 01:36.55 | oxek | indeed, dpkg is not there |
| 01:37.43 | oxek | can anyone help me understand my results of `cryptsetup benchmark`? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/22d3e2a2/ |
| 01:37.45 | oxek | this machine does not have AES-NI. why is serpent and twofish sometimes twice as fast as aes? shouldn't those two be slower? |
| 01:37.55 | oxek | the whole results look weird to me. It is reproducible - the order of fastest to slowest is always the same, and always by large margins |
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| 02:25.47 | oxek | if I `apt purge <package>`, does the delete dotfiles from my $HOME ? |
| 02:26.13 | dvs | probably not |
| 02:26.41 | annadane | purge doesn't touch home |
| 02:26.54 | oxek | good, that's the behavior I want |
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| 03:11.27 | cheapie | Huh, this -686 kernel is up and running fine on a CPU that it shows as being i586... I don't think that's supposed to work? :P |
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| 03:12.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok... |
| 03:12.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am about to kill network-manager if it dont stop trying to make a new network connection and set it to dhcp each time i delete itr |
| 03:13.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | grrrr |
| 03:13.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | i only want it to make a static one and stay there.. |
| 03:13.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | help? |
| 03:13.47 | sney | cheapie: 686 is considered "supported" but oddball 586 era cpus might still work depending on what they are. what's yours, out of curiosity? |
| 03:14.01 | cheapie | sney: Transmeta Crusoe TM5700 |
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| 03:14.46 | sney | Eryn_1983_FL: use /etc/network/interfaces if you want a static network interface that just does one thing. n-m ignores interfaces defined there. |
| 03:15.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | i know |
| 03:15.38 | cheapie | I have no idea what CMS version mine is running or if that would change the results at all anyway. |
| 03:15.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | but i need the vpn stuff in network manager setup |
| 03:15.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | i found a rogue wicd-daemon |
| 03:15.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | purging that bs |
| 03:15.57 | cheapie | Eryn_1983_FL: Doesn't network-mangler have the option for static stuff too? |
| 03:16.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | it does |
| 03:16.26 | sney | cheapie: I vaguely remember those, definitely more advanced than your average Pentium 90 |
| 03:16.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | but for some reason i get two config in there and it would switch to the dhcp one |
| 03:16.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | even if i delete them all in nm-applet |
| 03:16.58 | cheapie | sney: Well, by the time the board I have here was made in around 2005, an 800MHz Crusoe was already really, really slow :P |
| 03:17.04 | cheapie | And it's not any faster today :P |
| 03:17.32 | sney | sure, but 586 was much slower than that in general. the original 686 was, iirc, a 200MHz Pentium Pro |
| 03:17.48 | cheapie | nods, PPro is the lower bound for "686" |
| 03:18.22 | sney | listing that crusoe as a 586 is probably just a weird edge case, spec-wise it looks like a below average pentium 3 |
| 03:18.55 | cheapie | Something I should do sometime... I do have a similar board, from the same model range and same time period, fitted with a VIA Eden ESP8000, also running at 800MHz like this Crusoe is - I should run some benchmarks and try to compare the two. |
| 03:19.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i guess we will see if that fixes it now |
| 03:19.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | seems to be holding for now |
| 03:19.25 | sney | wasn't there a super tiny japan-only laptop that used that crusoe chip? |
| 03:19.42 | cheapie | IIRC there were a few "ultra-mobile" laptops that did. |
| 03:20.34 | cheapie | My board that has one is from a thin client, HP t5510. I upgraded the RAM to 512MB and added a 60GB hard drive with one of those 44-pin PATA cables. |
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| 03:20.51 | cheapie | The VIA board I mentioned is from the next model up, the t5520. |
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| 03:24.02 | sney | fujitsu p1000! Even smaller than the asus netbook that I bought 5-ish years later. unusably small. but I guess it was a sign of the portability to come |
| 03:24.53 | cheapie | watches update-initramfs take a few minutes to complete |
| 03:26.33 | sney | haha, the x86 chip for when you want that raspberry pi experience |
| 03:27.02 | cheapie | clock-applet is consuming 16.3% CPU time :P |
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| 03:33.32 | cheapie | rips MATE out to replace it with Fluxbox or something, will probably run a bit better that way especially without librsvg-based stuff crashing due to invalid opcodes all the time |
| 03:35.05 | dvs | cheapie, yup, that's why the kernel is for a 686 |
| 03:35.54 | cheapie | dvs: Not kernel-related as far as I can tell, it's some other package (librsvg2-2) that wants a 686 or at least something better than what that thing is. |
| 03:36.08 | sney | could just be xorg |
| 03:36.32 | cheapie | X was running fine, and I doubt that would cause invalid opcodes to be present in some *other* package anyway. |
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| 04:29.27 | tinfoil-hat | Hey, there, I wanted to create an offline debian mirror, since I have several VMs and my workstation mostly are debian based. I came across debmirror, archvsync and ftpsync. I'm not very clear about what option I should choose. I want to mirror main crontrib and non-free of buster amd64. Maybe one could give me a hint |
| 04:30.06 | somiaj | tinfoil-hat: would apt-cacher-ng work for you? |
| 04:30.18 | somiaj | often times people don't need a full mirror, and just a cacher |
| 04:31.03 | tinfoil-hat | I'd rather prefere a full mirror |
| 04:31.43 | somiaj | even there you have to make choices, what arch, do you want just binary, or binay and source. Anyways a full mirror is 60,000+ packages and takes up a decent amount of space |
| 04:32.16 | somiaj | I don't have any suggestion on what tool to use a full mirror, I personaly use apt-cacher |
| 04:32.23 | tinfoil-hat | well the binary would work |
| 04:33.16 | Gigglebyte | Does anyone have experience installing the Whatsapp client for Debian? I am running Debian stable, and noticed a bunch of files in the repository for yowsup-cli. Is this the same thing? |
| 04:33.19 | somiaj | also do you want just amd64, or amd64 + i386, things you should decide first. |
| 04:33.37 | tinfoil-hat | amd64 would be enough |
| 04:33.41 | somiaj | Gigglebyte: there are some libaries that talk with whatsapp, but I don't think any is a full client. |
| 04:34.12 | Gigglebyte | Have you tried Yousapp-cli? |
| 04:34.30 | somiaj | tinfoil-hat: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Setup -- best I can do is suggest there, others might have suggestions as to what to actually use. |
| 04:34.56 | somiaj | Gigglebyte: no, I just use my phone. But from what I saw the descriptions off I didn't see a client. |
| 04:35.01 | somiaj | ,v yousapp-cli |
| 04:35.02 | judd | No package named 'yousapp-cli' was found in amd64. |
| 04:35.13 | somiaj | I also don't see that pacakge in debian, I only saw some python libaries when I searched |
| 04:35.56 | Gigglebyte | There seems to be a client in the repository called Yousapp-cli. This showed up after I ran apt-cache search whatsapp. Along with this file are a bunch of related files, but yousapp0-cli is a command line tool. |
| 04:36.04 | tinfoil-hat | somiaj: ty, I'll read trough, and will be careful with the amount and speed I downliad |
| 04:36.53 | somiaj | Gigglebyte: what version of debian are you running? That package is not in debian. |
| 04:37.07 | Gigglebyte | stable with the latest updates |
| 04:37.18 | Gigglebyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.31 | somiaj | what is the package name, there is no package name yousapp-cli in debian. |
| 04:38.26 | Gigglebyte | There are a number of YOutube presentations that indicate the program runs on Debian 8+, but I am very reluctant to install files that are not in the repository. |
| 04:39.02 | somiaj | anyways all I see is some python libaries and a cli client based on them |
| 04:39.22 | Gigglebyte | Well need to get my beauty rest. Thanks for chatting. |
| 04:39.29 | somiaj | ,v yousup-cli |
| 04:39.30 | judd | No package named 'yousup-cli' was found in amd64. |
| 04:39.35 | somiaj | ,v yowsup-cli |
| 04:39.36 | judd | Package: yowsup-cli on amd64 -- stretch: 2.5.0~git20160904.d69c1ff-1; buster: 2.5.7-4; bullseye: 3.2.3-1; sid: 3.2.3-1 |
| 04:39.52 | somiaj | that is based off the python libaries, you could always try it |
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| 04:49.28 | Gigglebyte | My mistake on the spelling it is yowsup-cli |
| 04:50.19 | Gigglebyte | Is yowsup-cli the same thing as Whatsapp? I ran a search for whatsapp, and yowsup-cli was the only thing that came up. |
| 04:52.29 | somiaj | python has some libaries that communicate with the whatsapp servers/protocol. That is a simle cli tool using those libaries |
| 04:52.32 | somiaj | try it out |
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| 07:13.12 | randompleb | If I disable the inbuilt microphone and reenable it from the BIOS, I can't seem to get the mic working again |
| 07:15.36 | jelly | tinfoil-hat, ftpsync is the official tool, but you need a willing rsync mirror upstream of yours |
| 07:16.15 | jelly | you can easily blacklist every-arch-but-one; I'm less sure about blacklisting every-release-but-one, never needed to do that |
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| 07:26.51 | jim | hi, running kde and debian 10; noticed a kinda weird behavior: around the time kde tries to connect to a wireless net, it tries to open the kdewallet before and after... do these have to do with each other/ |
| 07:26.52 | jim | ? |
| 07:28.55 | aeplus | is the wireless net secured by a key? |
| 07:29.17 | jim | well a password, yes |
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| 07:30.53 | jim | the wireless router I got, I assigned one password to (other than the admin password), which I use to connect, I think it's a wpa or wpa2 |
| 07:31.27 | aeplus | perhaps, that key/passphrase is being managed by kdewallet |
| 07:31.54 | jelly | it's reasonable to assume KDE apps, including NetworkManager integration, use KDE's secure storage to store secrets like wifi passwphrases |
| 07:32.04 | jim | I don't seem to have a password for the kdewallet... is there a default? or, can I set one? (I don't think I ever did) |
| 07:32.27 | aeplus | you may just open kdewallet |
| 07:32.33 | jelly | I _think_ your unix account user password is default |
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| 07:32.59 | jim | I thoght that might be the case, but no |
| 07:33.15 | jelly | if it's not you can nuke and recreate the default wallet somehow, losing stored passwords in there |
| 07:33.18 | jim | can I dpkg-reconfigure it? |
| 07:33.48 | jim | ok, I think I need to read up |
| 07:33.50 | jelly | dpkg-reconfigure is a system wide action. Your user's kdewallet is your user's only. |
| 07:34.15 | jim | yeah I was afraid of that |
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| 07:41.07 | r3 | jim, are you remote'd into this system (vnc, rdp, etc...) when you see this behavior? |
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| 07:42.44 | jim | r3, no, it's an hp probook 650 g1, that I sat at while logging into the xdmlike greeter |
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| 07:43.20 | jim | I -can- ssh into it |
| 07:43.47 | r3 | ok... thought I would ask because I've seen some odd things with kdewallet/pam when rdp'd into a headless box 2 feet away (heh) - cheers :) bon chance |
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| 07:44.56 | r3 | (also with NetworkManager) |
| 07:45.17 | jim | one article suggests I make a new wallet, make it the default, and delete the original one... now, I hadn't used a kdewallet up to this point... so this should be a safe thing to do? |
| 07:45.57 | r3 | I would think so, as long as you don't wish to use the old one - and if you say you've never used it then I don't see a downside |
| 07:46.08 | miskatonic | does each de come with its own wallet? |
| 07:46.36 | jim | heh, I have no clue yet :) |
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| 07:47.06 | jim | let's see what it says |
| 07:47.08 | r3 | and that whatever is being used to create the new wallet does whatever magic is required for it to be integrated into the desktop, etc |
| 07:47.35 | jim | a kdewallet' |
| 07:47.38 | r3 | integrated as in associated with you |
| 07:47.39 | jim | err. ot |
| 07:48.04 | jim | its purpose is to store passwords? (sorry for noise) |
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| 07:50.38 | jim | wandering over to laptop for awhile... thanks so far |
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| 08:13.03 | morsik | Hello there. Does anyone knows how can I disable DHCP in Debian's cloud image? :/ Comment in /etc/network/interfaces clearly states that: "# Set this one last, so that cloud-init or user can override defaults." and it does "source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*" |
| 08:13.16 | morsik | But… cat /usr/lib/systemd/system/cloud-init.service shows "After=networking.service" |
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| 08:13.38 | morsik | And I need to wait 1 minute until dhcp request will timeout before network will come up by cloud-init :/ |
| 08:13.49 | morsik | (i'm using Debian cloud image in Proxmox without DHCP) |
| 08:15.28 | morsik | (of course I'm asking for valid options that doesn't need changing official image - because currently only way I see is to override /etc/network/interfaces by my own and add modified image to Proxmox as base image instead of official one) |
| 08:17.29 | sney | if that's a dhcp client in a vm it's likely that address assignment is happening at the host level and tinkering with things on the guest OS will accomplish little |
| 08:17.35 | sney | check your provider's docs |
| 08:18.36 | morsik | my provider (which is NoCloud or ConfigDrive) uses just .iso with setup, and it's working correctly… the problem is: cloud-init runs AFTER actual Debian network so Debian enforces DHCP doesn't matter what :/ |
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| 08:19.01 | morsik | hmm… but I just found another service called cloud-init-local... maybe it'll help me |
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| 08:33.43 | morsik | yeah, cloud-init-local configures /etc/network/interfaces.d/50-cloud-init.cfg but regardless of that - it doesn't works… what I don't understand here? https://pastebin.com/7cWPByTd |
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| 08:41.13 | morsik | commenting "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces fixes issue :/ |
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| 08:42.00 | tomtastic_ | Do we know whats keeping nodejs 12.13.1~dfsg-1 from getting into sid |
| 08:42.23 | tomtastic | Is it still stuck on ICU ? |
| 08:42.26 | morsik | but this is still file from official cloud image which I need to override :/ looks like bug to me |
| 08:43.28 | jim | is it because the cloud thing uses your eth0? |
| 08:43.59 | morsik | yes, it uses eth0. and only eth0. |
| 08:44.16 | morsik | but sourced configuration contains "iface eth0 inet static" (see attached pastebin above) |
| 08:44.33 | morsik | and even comment in /etc/network/interfaces tells that this should override |
| 08:44.38 | morsik | but… it doesn't override. |
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| 08:59.29 | miskatonic | doesn't systemd use different names than eth0 etc.? |
| 08:59.40 | morsik | it's cloud image… |
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| 09:00.11 | morsik | everyone's disable that. Debian also… GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="biosdevname=0 net.ifnames=0 console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200 earlyprintk=ttyS0,115200 consoleblank=0 systemd.show_status=true " |
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| 09:02.22 | tomtastic | the whole systemd networking system is awful. |
| 09:02.48 | morsik | currently we're talking about Debian's networking bug, not systemd :D |
| 09:02.50 | tomtastic | Like, has anyone read the manpage for resolved? It's insane |
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| 09:06.25 | ayekat | haven't read all of it (though it's not particularly long either), but what do you consider "insane"? |
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| 09:07.58 | tomtastic | Sorry, 'systemd-resolved' - sp. the 'four modes of handling /etc/resolv.conf' |
| 09:09.45 | ayekat | yeah, it takes various scenarios into account |
| 09:10.24 | ayekat | either resolved is the tool providing the content of resolv.conf, or it's the tool reading from it, as resolv.conf is generated/managed by another tool |
| 09:10.41 | tomtastic | And becomes very hard to predict the behaviour of, esp when you might be receiving DNS options from DHCP, and you wish to override them. |
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| 09:11.54 | ayekat | if you find yourself manually modifying resolv.conf, you may want to configure your DHCP server to stop managing that file - that's not specific to resolved |
| 09:12.29 | randompleb | I disabled my internal mic in the BIOS a few days ago. Today, I enabled it and I can't seem to use my internal mic anymore. I already tried messing with pavucontrol and gnome settings but no dice. |
| 09:12.31 | tomtastic | Not an insignificant assumption that you have control over that. |
| 09:13.27 | tomtastic | Anyway, I shouldnt rant about systemd. I came here to rant about the old version of nodejs :) |
| 09:13.38 | ayekat | I'm curious what setup gives you only partial control over your network setup such that you can edit resolv.conf but not your network manager's setting |
| 09:14.37 | tomtastic | ayekat : imagine you're a home user, and the CPE hardware your ISP supplies doesn't let you specify custom DNS servers |
| 09:15.55 | ayekat | tomtastic: but that would be the DHCP *server* - your laptop/workstation is not obliged to take all its settings as-is |
| 09:16.34 | tomtastic | Of course not, thats why youd be specifying your own resolver config. |
| 09:16.39 | ayekat | in 90% of all cases, I haven't got control over the router/DHCP server anyway |
| 09:17.01 | ayekat | tomtastic: sure, but as I said, you'd configure your network management tool to handle that |
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| 09:17.23 | tomtastic | Now imagine you live in a country of heavy internet censorship, so you want to run a DNS-over-TLS service and resolve via that. |
| 09:17.55 | joze | how to restart dhclient via systemctl? |
| 09:18.00 | tomtastic | Now try setting up systemd-resolved and systemd-networkd to do that reliably. |
| 09:18.24 | joze | i made an upgrade and lsof said it is still running the old one :) |
| 09:18.49 | ayekat | tomtastic: I'd imagine you've got a separate component handling DNS-over-TLS, so I'd point resolved at that |
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| 09:19.29 | tomtastic | Yes, and now it can't resolve anything on the home network, |
| 09:20.08 | tomtastic | so you start playing with networkd more and realise that unless you're using networkmanager some options simply arent available |
| 09:20.42 | tomtastic | Anyway, there are still tickets open for these issues, so no point going over them here |
| 09:21.19 | ayekat | I never claimed resolved was almighty, and yes, it would be nice to have domain-specific DNS resolvers (though I don't know if they're really missing) - I just don't see the "insanity" yet |
| 09:21.26 | joze | i am still running a vulnerable dhclient after a security update |
| 09:21.26 | KBme | Hello. |
| 09:21.41 | joze | they will attack me :( |
| 09:21.41 | ayekat | it's more of just "resolved is missing a feature" |
| 09:21.57 | joze | i don't want to reboot |
| 09:21.59 | ayekat | joze: who is "they"? also, how do you manage your network? |
| 09:22.05 | KBme | I have two stretch machines, one with systemd the other with sysv. It looks like I am getting a different behaviour on apt cache cleaning on the two systems. |
| 09:22.18 | joze | ayekat: I want to restart dhclient |
| 09:22.32 | KBme | Both do have their respective apt daily task enabled, but on the systemd node the apt cache doesn't get cleaned. I am trying to find out why. |
| 09:22.34 | ayekat | joze: yes, you already said that - but how are you managing your network? |
| 09:22.44 | joze | ayekat: with debian |
| 09:22.47 | ayekat | joze: ifupdown? networkmanager? |
| 09:22.53 | joze | ok |
| 09:23.04 | ayekat | ... |
| 09:23.13 | KBme | I can see that the two scripts are not the same (sysv vs. systemd apt daily script), but it looks like the cache cleanup should be controlled by a configuration variable that isn't set on either of the hosts. |
| 09:23.43 | joze | i will just reboot in a month |
| 09:23.46 | ayekat | joze: which tool are you using to manage your network? is it one of the following: networkmanager, ifupdown (/etc/network/interface), systemd-networkd, dhcpcpd)? |
| 09:23.56 | joze | systemctl |
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| 09:24.14 | ayekat | that's not a network management tool |
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| 09:24.25 | joze | damn! |
| 09:24.30 | tomtastic | hmm, case in point, it's very confusing for users what system is managing what |
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| 09:27.43 | tomtastic | joze : you dont need dhclient with systemd, it has it's own DHCP client |
| 09:28.19 | tomtastic | config is per the systemd-networkd manpages. |
| 09:28.45 | joze | lsof says there is still an instance of the not upgraded dhclient running |
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| 09:28.59 | r3m1 | hello |
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| 09:29.27 | tomtastic | then kill it joze ? |
| 09:29.32 | joze | afraid |
| 09:29.47 | joze | systemtools would have been nice :) |
| 09:30.04 | joze | i am pacifist |
| 09:30.26 | tomtastic | Then dont kill -9 |
| 09:30.55 | tomtastic | sigterm it instead |
| 09:31.00 | joze | i will not kill it and hope it will not kill me |
| 09:33.41 | joze | you still have to reboot after a kernel upgrade? |
| 09:35.18 | tmroland | the new kernel is only loaded at boot time |
| 09:35.22 | tmroland | yes |
| 09:36.02 | joze | I assumed there were futuristic new features, ok |
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| 09:38.48 | ayekat | automagically morphing a running process into a new version of the underlying software would be a futuristic feature I definitely don't want |
| 09:39.31 | joze | I read about rumors like this |
| 09:39.44 | r3m1 | anyone here familiar with autossh ? I have a field device that opens a reverse tunnel to my server using autossh at startup so that I can have an SSH to this device field through my server eventually |
| 09:40.05 | r3m1 | I could not reach my device field through SSH |
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| 09:40.28 | r3m1 | I killed in the server the pid of the ssh tunnel |
| 09:40.51 | r3m1 | I would expected autoSSH to relaunch the ssh process, would it not ? |
| 09:41.10 | r3m1 | maybe I haven't been using proper options |
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| 09:44.55 | n_1-c_k | r3m1, I see the same thing. I think 'kill <sshpid>' must be considered as scenario 1 under 'SSH exits' in the man page. Not obvious to me why that should be so, if it really is. |
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| 09:56.51 | lemsip | What package must I install to get nft? apt install nftables is _not_ it. |
| 09:56.55 | lemsip | I'm on Buster. |
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| 10:02.39 | n_1-c_k | lemsip, why "nftables is _not_ it"? |
| 10:05.14 | lemsip | because after running apt install nftables and rebooting, I still have no nft binary :/ |
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| 10:06.10 | r3m1 | thanks n_1-c_k for testing out |
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| 10:09.27 | n_1-c_k | lemsip, hmm you should have. For me 'dlocate /usr/sbin/nft' shows it belonging to nftables. 'nft -h' runs, 'man nft' works. |
| 10:10.47 | lemsip | n_1-c_k: ah, for some weird reason, root did not have /usr/sbin in $PATH |
| 10:11.08 | n_1-c_k | ah righto |
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| 10:12.42 | rotaticus | hmm i've got a ntfs usbstick and it looks destroyed as it only mounts readonly, but it also forbids root to mkfs ... is it unrecoverable dead? i dont care about the data, im interested in the space |
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| 10:13.38 | klaas | I have a server that is going off site for dedicated hosting, can I configure the same static address on multiple interfaces and only the one with the plugged in cable will be active? I was thinking about catching a failure where cable is in the wrong network port -- or in case of a hardware problem with nic I can just have em put the cable into a |
| 10:13.38 | klaas | different port |
| 10:14.26 | n_1-c_k | rotaticus, I have no idea but try 'cfdisk' perhaps, to repartition? |
| 10:15.45 | rotaticus | n_1-c_k: cfdisk: cannot open /dev/sdg : filesystem is readonly |
| 10:16.35 | n_1-c_k | rotaticus, push the read-write switch the other way :) |
| 10:17.05 | rotaticus | n_1-c_k: i would ... if there was one ... |
| 10:17.32 | n_1-c_k | oh well.. I'd go with "dead" then |
| 10:18.38 | rotaticus | it's not even old ... |
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| 11:40.47 | b1ackandwh1te | was funny the answer in reddit for the question: what is the smallest debian distro (not the damn)?... Answ: the smallest debian distro is debian (you just remove what you dont want or use)... lmao |
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| 11:44.33 | bello | hi, can you say me what should i do before termination a vps? i have an open vz server and its time finishing. i dont want lose my configurations settings etc. for example web server, MySQL, mail server etc. |
| 11:44.34 | miskatonic | slant is worse than reddit |
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| 11:45.11 | b1ackandwh1te | smallest spec for debian server fits in a 386pc |
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| 11:47.16 | miskatonic | and for a non-server? |
| 11:48.05 | b1ackandwh1te | non server, 1Gram, 8Ghd |
| 11:48.59 | miskatonic | even if the machine is only used as a telnet terminal? |
| 11:49.39 | b1ackandwh1te | i guess so. |
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| 11:51.24 | ratrace | bello: make a backup, especially of /etc and output of dpkg --get-selections |
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| 11:52.36 | bello | ratrace: hello thanks for response. can you give me a link which helps for these processes please? |
| 11:53.43 | miskatonic | according to free, I use less than half of a Gigabyte ... whatever free is worth |
| 11:54.02 | ratrace | no I don't know of any _single_ link for that . to back up your filesystem, the simplest thing is to copy/rsync it somewhere else. there are other tools and whole suites for backup as well |
| 11:54.07 | ratrace | bello: ^ |
| 11:54.14 | sgo11 | hi, how can I match two extended attributes in one getfattr search? right now, I can do `getfattr -R -m user.tag1 .`. but how to match user.tag1 and user.tag2 in AND relationship? thanks. |
| 11:54.22 | b1ackandwh1te | just to share a thought (my last attempt to use apt-clone was troublesome). |
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| 11:55.15 | miskatonic | what is apt-clone? something like git-clone? |
| 11:56.07 | jmcnaught | bello: for MySQL you should use mysqldump to get dumps of each database to back up. Other stuff to consider here: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch10.en.html#_backup_and_recovery |
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| 11:56.23 | b1ackandwh1te | !apt-clone |
| 11:56.23 | dpkg | methinks apt-clone is a utility to clone/restore the packages on an apt-based system. It will save/restore the packages, sources.list, keyring and automatic-installed states. It can also save/restore no longer downloadable packages using <dpkg-repack>. |
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| 12:02.09 | bello | ratrace: can i copy/rsync it into my phone? which tools you use? |
| 12:03.18 | ratrace | bello: I use ZFS and BTRFS filesystems and their snapshot sending capabilities. otherwise I'd use rsync, and there's also rsnapshot tool for rsync+hardlink based backups. I have no idea if you can copy into your "phone" and that sounds like a terrible thing to do. |
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| 12:03.51 | bello | jmcnaught: can i take full back up instead of one by one? i think i even forgot its password. i created them 5-6 years ago. can i take its backups in my phone? i don't use pc |
| 12:05.06 | bello | ratrace: oh i use ssh bash from phone. i don't have computer |
| 12:05.07 | dutchfish | ratrace, You want to push in your phone? Delve into HTTP/2 from your webserver, that serves your files. |
| 12:05.28 | b1ackandwh1te | i only believe on 1 sort of full trust backup, full system backup (not easy to do for remote server). |
| 12:06.50 | ratrace | dutchfish: no, I don't |
| 12:06.50 | norkle | U NEED SAMSUNG |
| 12:07.32 | jmcnaught | bello: mysqldump can do all databases, check the man page. Not going to lie, this will be pretty challenging without a computer. If you can borrow one for a bit it might make it easier. |
| 12:07.37 | norkle | MY PHONE IS BOMB, MY 32" MONITOR IS ALL BLOOD! |
| 12:07.37 | ratrace | bello: that sounds like a terrible thing to do. for starters, what filesystem is on your phone? does it accept xattrs and acls? otherwise you'd need to use tar and stream it via ssh |
| 12:07.38 | dutchfish | ratrace, sorry then, i just dropped in. Maybe i can help you, but maybe rephrase your question what you want to do from where to where? |
| 12:07.46 | ratrace | dutchfish: I had no question |
| 12:08.06 | dutchfish | ratrace, ah ok, nvm then, no harm done, i hope. |
| 12:08.16 | ratrace | right :) |
| 12:08.33 | b1ackandwh1te | but, full system backup for desktop is a piece of cake. |
| 12:09.19 | ratrace | it's a piece of cake even for servers |
| 12:09.27 | ratrace | there's actually no difference between the two |
| 12:10.08 | b1ackandwh1te | ratrace, may be for you, not for me yet :P, teach us! ;-) |
| 12:10.09 | miskatonic | don't phones rely on a cloud storage for databases? |
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| 12:10.22 | bello | jmcnaught: i was using vps from my phone since about 5 years already. but first times i had pc. its broken. |
| 12:11.45 | bello | ratrace: i've Xiaomi android 8 miui phone. im not sure if it accept those you mentioned |
| 12:11.46 | ratrace | miskatonic: yes and no, they do have local filesystems. android is, after all, java userland atop of the linux kernel with selinux enforcement |
| 12:12.30 | ratrace | bello: just forget about the nonsense of backing up to a phone. get a proper computer. get another VPS, back it up there. |
| 12:13.23 | bello | ratrace: can i do all process from the phone still ? |
| 12:14.09 | ratrace | bello: if you have a terminal and ssh, technically you can. if you really want to go that route, use tar to create a "tarball" on the server, then copy that single file to your phone. don't copy the filesystem tree! |
| 12:14.11 | bello | i have bought new kvm vps. i didn't install operation system yet |
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| 12:14.47 | miskatonic | certainly don't copy /proc |
| 12:14.48 | ratrace | bello: you shouldn't be using any public VPS with the lack of system administration skills that you have |
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| 12:17.08 | bello | ratrace: yes i use juicessh from phone to login. i thought to take backups in my phone and copy it on new server later. |
| 12:17.32 | miskatonic | are public VPS reliable even with admin skills, or are they snooped as much as facebook and google services? |
| 12:17.57 | ratrace | define "reliable" in this context |
| 12:18.34 | ratrace | the problem with running a public server with no skills is that you don't know how to secure it, and it's compromised fast and used to attack other machines on the net. therefore you're a liability and danger to others online. |
| 12:18.34 | bello | ratrace: i bought new kvm nvme vps. my current vps was open vz debian wheezy. i think they'll be incompatible if i'll copy files there? |
| 12:19.16 | ratrace | bello: yes, you probably can't even copy configurations verbatim, without modifying them for new versions, new syntax changes, etc... |
| 12:20.24 | ratrace | assuming the new vps is buster. otherwise hypervisor makes no difference, except openVZ is not virtualization, it's a container. so you'd be switching from a container into a VM, which also includes many differences in configuration. |
| 12:21.38 | miskatonic | I thought he was renting space on some VPS maintained by professional VPS providers |
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| 12:22.07 | ratrace | miskatonic: if that's the case, they should ask the maintainers to do this for them. |
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| 12:22.31 | b1ackandwh1te | nothing more easy than backup containers and vms. |
| 12:22.59 | ratrace | if you had a computer, but they apparently don't have one. |
| 12:23.13 | ratrace | (except the said vps which is, well, a computer) |
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| 12:26.16 | bello | i thought so. i'll modify everything from beginning i think. but i need to back up now as i can understand. |
| 12:26.53 | bello | MySQL database will work on another vps if i'll copy it there? |
| 12:27.41 | ratrace | bello: make sure you do a full mysql dump into an SQL file like jmcnaught suggested. due to version changes (again, assuming you're migrating to buster) the SQL file might not even be compatible verbatim, and might require modifications. |
| 12:27.54 | miskatonic | if the otehr vps comes with a compatible mysql server, and the dumped data are properly committed |
| 12:28.08 | b1ackandwh1te | some storage devices and cloud services complain about file sizes for backup. download huge files from google drive is a nightmare. and ive recently experinced trouble storing big files in pendrive, i guess is because of fat filesystem. |
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| 12:29.21 | ratrace | if you want to share a pendrive between windows and linux, use ntfs, not fat |
| 12:29.27 | b1ackandwh1te | i had to split the bigfile, was the only solution. |
| 12:29.57 | ratrace | fat is.... I really have no idea why EFI opted for FAT but that's the ONLY use case one should use fat these days, unless you're toying with DOS |
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| 12:30.55 | miskatonic | so usb sticks shopul;d be reformatted to ntfs if they are preformatted in fat32? |
| 12:31.05 | b1ackandwh1te | in windows is necessary install third party app to recognise ntfs. |
| 12:31.40 | b1ackandwh1te | oops |
| 12:32.07 | b1ackandwh1te | i was thinking in ext4 and typed ntfs,...crazy lol |
| 12:32.42 | ratrace | miskatonic: I would. also FAT(32) has limitations that are unreasonable in 2020. 4GB per file limit for example |
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| 12:34.31 | miskatonic | the files I have to share are not even close to 1 GB |
| 12:36.28 | bello | ratrace: ok i'll check it |
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| 12:38.24 | bello | full back up will take same amount of hdd size too ? or compression will be? |
| 12:40.13 | ratrace | bello: depends how you run the backup, and which files you're backing up |
| 12:40.42 | b1ackandwh1te | 7z a -mx=9, the best compression in the market. |
| 12:42.07 | ratrace | that really depends |
| 12:43.26 | ratrace | and -mx=9 looks wrong. 9 is for -x but you need to specify method for m. default is deflate which is among the worst compression algos |
| 12:43.35 | bello | ratrace: i don't know how. but i want web server, mail server and databases. user files. conf files. |
| 12:44.57 | b1ackandwh1te | yes, my bad. |
| 12:45.06 | ratrace | bello: maybe best thing you back up _everything_ and sort it out later |
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| 12:45.59 | b1ackandwh1te | ratrace, fair. |
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| 12:48.50 | bello | ratrace: everything means it will take same disk size ? or compressed less ? |
| 12:48.58 | b1ackandwh1te | the drawback to shot an opinion between seasoned users is to look like a fool. :P.... |
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| 12:53.28 | bello | ratrace: how can i reset sudo user password from kvm panel? it seems i forgot my password and can't find it. but im on kvm control panel now. |
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| 12:54.23 | b1ackandwh1te | ive learned from experience, the less i say the smarter i look, :P |
| 12:55.20 | jmcnaught | bello: sudo password is the user's regular password, so if you can log into the account and are in the sudo group or the sudoers file you should be able to use sudo. |
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| 12:56.24 | bello | i requested for vnc password change on kvm panel but on phone browser vnc page not working |
| 12:57.25 | bello | jmcnaught: yes but i forbidden root login before and now i don't remember my sudo user password. so i can't login. |
| 12:57.52 | ratrace | bello: that all sound like issues you shoudl take to your provider, and have nothing to do with #debian |
| 12:58.19 | PonySoldier | how do i remove all syslog and daemon log files? |
| 12:58.23 | PonySoldier | they're taking up 5GB |
| 12:58.23 | b1ackandwh1te | ! |
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| 12:59.38 | bello | i wrote email for support and since 2 hours waiting. i hope they works today. if somebody knows how to do it here, i will do it instead waiting |
| 12:59.54 | ratrace | PonySoldier: logrotate is a default package on debian, if you don't have it, install it, and add configs for logfiles that aren't standard / covered already |
| 13:00.14 | ratrace | bello: we cannot possibly know what your "kvm panel" does |
| 13:00.44 | ratrace | bello: otherwise, you need to log in as root and change a user password without knowing its existing password. |
| 13:01.07 | bello | it's SolusVM |
| 13:01.24 | ratrace | some VPS providers have "cloudy" applications running in the guests so they can run these administrative tasks, password changes include, via their control "panels" |
| 13:02.11 | ratrace | if your provider doesn't do that, and you forgot all the passwords, it's rescue system boot time, and mounting your rootfs in a chroot (or if you have console access, boot with init=/bin/bash and run `passwd` once it "boots") |
| 13:02.21 | bello | ratrace: but i forbidden root login. |
| 13:02.33 | jmcnaught | PonySoldier: if something is spamming the logs it would be good to figure out which program's log files are huge, and determine why it's spamming the logs so much. Something's probably wrong, or can at least be told to shut up. |
| 13:02.40 | ratrace | bello: ah yes, because that's a container, not a vm |
| 13:02.45 | FuzzyByte | bello: Try logging in with your user account. |
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| 13:03.04 | ratrace | bello: or did you mean... forgotten instead of forbidden? |
| 13:03.17 | b1ackandwh1te | i toyed with VPSs in the past. was cool. i do programming now for living. |
| 13:03.57 | b1ackandwh1te | bud sys admin is a cool profession. |
| 13:04.10 | b1ackandwh1te | *but |
| 13:04.11 | bello | FuzzyByte: i forgot its password already. in solusvm didn't see where to recover it |
| 13:04.17 | dreamer | it's usually a thankless job :# |
| 13:04.36 | ratrace | thankfully, we have a Sysadmin appreciation day to remind you lot the hard work we do :) |
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| 13:04.56 | FuzzyByte | ratrace: You do? |
| 13:04.58 | bello | ratrace: root login forbidden. i did it before |
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| 13:05.31 | FuzzyByte | bello: If you forgot your user password, there's nothing one can do about it. |
| 13:05.40 | ratrace | bello: ask your provider, nothing we can do here |
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| 13:06.40 | bello | ok then i'll need to wait their response. i wrote 2 hours ago an email. |
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| 13:09.42 | FuzzyByte | bello: They are the only ones who can do something about it, sorry. |
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| 13:12.35 | AquaL1te | hi, question about vlans in debian. i see examples where virtual interfaces are made in order to setup vlans. however, that looks like the deprecated method of ifconfig. are the docs out of date? it does mention (very) old debian releases: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Howto_use_vlan_.28dot1q.2C_802.1q.2C_trunk.29_.28Etch.2C_Lenny.29 so my question is, where can i find the current |
| 13:12.41 | AquaL1te | documentation for debian 10? |
| 13:13.09 | FuzzyByte | AquaL1te: What's your problem with ifconfig? Doesn't it work? |
| 13:13.50 | AquaL1te | FuzzyByte: iproute2 tools have replaced ifconfig tools and alike for a few years already |
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| 13:14.54 | FuzzyByte | 'replaced' ? Well, I'm lucky my system still ships ifconfig :D |
| 13:15.13 | FuzzyByte | Sorry, I don't have any experience with these. |
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| 13:16.50 | AquaL1te | FuzzyByte: it's not recommended to use ifconfig, for a number of years. but anyway, that's not the question. the point is, the documentation seems unmaintained. does anyone know why it's still focused on old debian releases? is there a different page i should use for debian docs beside the debian wiki? |
| 13:16.53 | bello | FuzzyByte: its ok bro, thanks for everybody for helps. |
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| 13:18.29 | bello | AquaL1te: why it's not recommended to use ifconfig anymore? what's used instead now? |
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| 13:18.59 | AquaL1te | bello: check the man page of ifconfig itself "This program is obsolete! For replacement check ip addr and ip link. For statistics use ip -s link.", there are also examples in there when and where ifconfig fails |
| 13:19.05 | Haohmaru | well ifconfig stuff is ancient, i bet there wasn't wifi yet back then |
| 13:19.10 | petn-randall | bello: ifconfig is missing many modern features, which were replaced by newer tools. |
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| 13:19.42 | dadinn | hi all |
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| 13:21.02 | bello | AquaL1te: actually my vps has wheezy itself obsolete since years. that's why i am trying to terminate it in peace |
| 13:21.42 | dadinn | i am getting this error after a "manual" install with debootstrap, using UEFI boot, and I reboot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ge5s3o4biexksz0/install_error.png?dl=0 |
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| 13:22.35 | qman__ | ifconfig still works as well as it always did, but it doesn't support certain features |
| 13:22.37 | bello | AquaL1te: ok im familiar to ip addr. i'll use it thx |
| 13:22.46 | dadinn | not sure why this is, it seems to be complaining about mounting /boot, and local filesystems, but when I do the exact same installation using BIOS I don't have such issues |
| 13:23.00 | dadinn | so fstab/crypttab problems are unlikely |
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| 13:23.26 | jmcnaught | AquaL1te: I don't know enough about VLANs to be much help, but the wiki link you provided shows ifconfig commands only for the manual set up. Did you try configuring /etc/network/interfaces the way it shows? On buster you may need to use different interface names than what's on that page. |
| 13:23.32 | qman__ | I still use ifconfig sometimes depending on what I want to do; for example, clearing all addresses off an interface is easy by doing ifconfig ifname 0.0.0.0 up |
| 13:24.09 | bello | petn-randall: its better to use new tools, right |
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| 13:24.43 | jmcnaught | AquaL1te: maybe unpopular around here, but perhaps also consider using systemd-networkd to configure networking. Its documentation will at least be more current. |
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| 13:26.05 | jmcnaught | AquaL1te: if you do figure it out using iproute2 and update the wiki, future users would be grateful I'm sure :) |
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| 13:27.17 | AquaL1te | jmcnaught: i have some configs ready to test. but if i have to believe the docs, it will create these virtual interfaces. which won't go well with pacemaker, at least, they state you shouldn't assign floating ips to virtual interfaces. using physical interfaces would exclude it from a vlan. with the docs not being maintained, i'm wondering if debian is the best choice. downside is that i want to do this |
| 13:27.23 | AquaL1te | on raspbian pi's, which raspbian supports best |
| 13:28.26 | qman__ | that doc is very old (etch and lenny), but I fully expect it to work, given you have ifconfig installed |
| 13:28.43 | qman__ | you should also be able to easily drop-in replace ip commands for the ifconfig ones and also have it work fine |
| 13:28.57 | jmcnaught | AquaL1te: the Debian wiki is a mixed bag and could definitely use more contibutors. |
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| 13:29.59 | qman__ | ip addr add 1.2.3.4/24 dev eth0.222 |
| 13:30.31 | AquaL1te | jmcnaught: probably so, but i'm not looking for a black box distribution, not meant in a negative way. if centos had proper images for a rpi then i would be using that |
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| 13:31.35 | qman__ | AquaL1te: that is how VLANs are done on linux interfaces, across all distros |
| 13:31.46 | AquaL1te | qman__: still creating an alias. not sure, but the debian network stack doesn't seem modern. networkmanager would've fixed this in a heartbeat the proper way |
| 13:32.22 | qman__ | it's not a per distro thing, it's a linux kernel thing; a vlan-tagged interface is the actual interface, dot, vlan number |
| 13:32.23 | jmcnaught | AquaL1te: why not use NetworkManager then? |
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| 13:34.07 | qman__ | AquaL1te: can you link said pacemaker documentation that suggests you shouldn't do this? I'm curious if they're referring to something more specific |
| 13:34.34 | qman__ | such as the outdated eth0:0 syntax |
| 13:34.47 | AquaL1te | qman__: http://www.linux-ha.org/doc/man-pages/re-ra-IPaddr2.html |
| 13:35.01 | AquaL1te | the : or . doesn't matter, as far as i know. |
| 13:36.02 | qman__ | that's not what alias means in this manual |
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| 13:36.54 | qman__ | it's referring to the "new" method of assigning addresses to interfaces, when using the ip addr command, the address is aliased to the interface |
| 13:37.13 | qman__ | (by new I mean sometime in 2.6 kernels) |
| 13:37.25 | AquaL1te | i stand corrected about the . vs : https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/any-source-documentation-for-ifcfg-vlan-id-%27dot%27-device-names-4175449215/#post4997389 |
| 13:38.10 | qman__ | prior to iproute2, you would add multiple addresses to the same interface by creating an interface alias with a colon |
| 13:38.35 | qman__ | that's completely deprecated, and now you just add addresses to an interface, interfaces support as many addresses as you need (not sure what the upper limit is) |
| 13:39.15 | AquaL1te | so the debian networking stack is up2date in that regard? it uses iproute2 (or alike) stuff to create the interfaces in /etc/interfaces? |
| 13:39.31 | qman__ | yes |
| 13:39.46 | qman__ | the "old" way, in this context, hasn't been relevant since the mid 2000s |
| 13:40.05 | AquaL1te | true, the docs confused me a bit |
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| 13:42.54 | qman__ | this is one of the reasons ifconfig is deprecated, because it doesn't support adding more than one IP per interface |
| 13:43.01 | qman__ | but that only matters if you assign more than one IP |
| 13:43.14 | qman__ | if you only assign one, it works just fine |
| 13:43.53 | miskatonic | is adding more than one ip required for wireless access? |
| 13:44.05 | qman__ | no |
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| 13:50.06 | b1ackandwh1te | the default graphical file managers of debian lack a find file/directory while windows explorer has this since ancient times (cant believe this is happening in 2020). |
| 13:52.18 | jmcnaught | I can search for files in Nautilus. It's the magnifying glass icon. |
| 13:52.43 | b1ackandwh1te | hum, i didnt know. |
| 13:52.58 | dadinn | hi all |
| 13:54.40 | dadinn | I am getting these errors when rebooting after a scripted installation with debootstrap, using UEFI boot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ge5s3o4biexksz0/install_error.png?dl=0 |
| 13:54.48 | AquaL1te | b1ackandwh1te: gnome can do this perfectly, make sure you have included the dirs as indexed. not sure what debian uses. in fedora 31 with gnome 3.36, go to settings --> search --> search locations. from there you can enable folders. after indexed. you can search files in the gnome shell like spotlight on a macbook. also in nautilus you can search on the fly. if not indexed, it takes a bit longer in |
| 13:54.54 | AquaL1te | nautilus |
| 13:55.15 | dadinn | I am not sure what is going on, when I run the same scripts with BIOS boot, everything works fine |
| 13:55.58 | miskatonic | terminal file managers are faster |
| 13:56.09 | b1ackandwh1te | AquaL1te, thanks. |
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| 13:57.05 | somiaj | or just use find, been around for ages, can do lots of nifty things... |
| 13:57.08 | AquaL1te | miskatonic: depends on the context. gnome shell is super fast as well. and easy, and opens the right app to open the file as well |
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| 13:59.01 | b1ackandwh1te | somiaj, right, but i feel graphical interface more comfy. :P |
| 13:59.06 | somiaj | gnome is probably just using something akin to xdg-open. Though I'm one who thinks it is worth while to learn a shell. |
| 13:59.44 | AquaL1te | somiaj: no doubt, cli skills are handy. but this question was gui :) |
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| 14:00.23 | EdePopede | find is more reliable than xdg |
| 14:00.30 | miskatonic | how can gnome-shell know whether you want to edit or to execute an *.sh file? |
| 14:00.34 | EdePopede | err... file |
| 14:01.16 | somiaj | EdePopede: it is, but doesn't file just tell you info, not actually try to launch it |
| 14:01.47 | EdePopede | miskatonic: the best solution would be to stay with established standards: F3 view, F4 edit, Enter execute. F13/S-F3 may even be rawview |
| 14:02.04 | AquaL1te | EdePopede: what does that even mean? if i want to find "bob marley" and play a song. i press the hotkey "bob marley" and enter. opens the music player and done. you want to do that with find? use the right tools for the right job... |
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| 14:02.30 | EdePopede | somiaj: a wrapper script would solve this. still better than Office opening for empty files per defaultl |
| 14:03.00 | EdePopede | or half of the time .TS files starting the browser because xdg thinks they are some kind of message catalogs |
| 14:03.25 | EdePopede | 'hotkey "bob marley"'? |
| 14:03.47 | somiaj | Gui's have their place, provided what you want to do can fit into https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-gui-list/1998-November/msg00074.html |
| 14:04.07 | somiaj | problem is many want to do more than you can squeeze into a gui |
| 14:04.52 | AquaL1te | EdePopede: in gnome shell the hotkey is your windows key |
| 14:05.12 | jmcnaught | I don't think GNOME has a problem with squeezing too *many* features in ;) |
| 14:05.50 | jmcnaught | gnome-shell's model of "press super key and type to search" is my favourite GUI style |
| 14:06.25 | somiaj | Yea, I think guis should be simple and not squeeze every feature in, but many sure try to, vs a balance from when a feature should be in the gui vs just open up a terminal. |
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| 14:09.53 | EdePopede | somiaj, nice text. gnome broke each of these rules already i bet? |
| 14:11.04 | b1ackandwh1te | one thing that i think is many apps are installed by defauld to a specific graphical environment. I know i can install later any tool with apt. but is a lack of standardization (for many people?). |
| 14:11.13 | miskatonic | gnome3 is broken, period |
| 14:11.40 | EdePopede | AquaL1te: so with hotkey you mean searching files in your HOME? |
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| 14:12.37 | EdePopede | i really don't like software trying to be smart. just remember what they already did to the url bar in firefox. |
| 14:12.41 | miskatonic | even Torvalds finds it unusable and migrated to xfce as a close successor to gnome2 |
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| 14:13.14 | annadane | yeah i wish debian would use xfce by default |
| 14:13.24 | annadane | though i didn't hear that about torvalds |
| 14:13.34 | EdePopede | didn't they say something like "we don't build a desktop for people who like to chose their text editor"? |
| 14:13.57 | b1ackandwh1te | (im on xfce4 now :P) |
| 14:14.07 | annadane | the thing i love about xfce is the subtle ways it does little things right |
| 14:14.10 | annadane | i keep discovering little new things |
| 14:14.24 | Haohmaru | like wot? |
| 14:14.34 | annadane | can't recall any at the moment tbh :P |
| 14:15.17 | dazo | Hey! I have a colleague who installed a new Debian 10 box using debian-10.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso .... and when running 'apt-key' it complains about missing gnupg, gnupg2 or gnupg1 ... is this expected? |
| 14:15.48 | dazo | this is from a freshly installed system |
| 14:17.34 | eclair | try command "sudo apt-get install gnupg" |
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| 14:18.17 | dazo | eclair: sure, that works ... but ... I'm wondering if it is expected that the apt-key packaging didn't pull in gnupg as a dependency |
| 14:18.29 | dadinn | hey, sorry to interrupt, on rebooting my UEFI install I am getting into emergency mode... but since I have the root account locked, I cannot get a console to do anything |
| 14:18.58 | AquaL1te | miskatonic: that's a pretty ancient quote. linux torvalds happily uses gnome now (fedora), for a number of years already. EdePopede: search files in home or whatever you which to index. it's really nice, and really not that smart. it just indexes your files and then does a lookup in a database. |
| 14:19.29 | eclair | since debian 8, I think the dependencies are unimaginably |
| 14:19.48 | eclair | gdebi-gtk require build-essential |
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| 14:21.05 | jmcnaught | dazo: by default Debian just installs the gpgv package which is a gnupg stripped down to only be able to check signatures. |
| 14:21.47 | jmcnaught | or at least, gpgv is priority important while the other gnupg packages are priority optional, but may get pulled in by other dependencies. |
| 14:21.47 | EdePopede | AquaL1te: find is pretty fast too. at least when i run it a 2nd time, so it seems the results are cached at some level, maybe even fs. |
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| 14:23.24 | EdePopede | AquaL1te: is this related to gvfsd? never understood what it is good for. |
| 14:24.09 | b1ackandwh1te | one cool update would be block /bin/sh from deletion and allow boot on root with default to sh. once i did a stupid thing, installed zsh and set it to *users*, and then uninstalled zsh as other sudo user... guess what? OSs must be idiot people fail proof... |
| 14:24.13 | jmcnaught | EdePopede: do you use find to search for and open PDFs and other documents, or contacts in your address book, or special characters, or packages available to install etc? All of that and more is accessible by tapping the windows key and starting to type, including launching and switching applications. |
| 14:24.40 | dazo | jmcnaught: ahh, thx! that makes a bit more sense ... not ideal when using 'apt-key', but I now understand how gpg verification can still happen |
| 14:24.41 | b1ackandwh1te | *all users |
| 14:24.49 | bello | i found my sudo password at last. can i reset root user password by sudo ? |
| 14:25.00 | b1ackandwh1te | incuding root, ohh my.... |
| 14:25.04 | eclair | yes |
| 14:25.06 | ksk | bello: sudo passwd |
| 14:25.14 | jmcnaught | dazo: also there is a mandatory warning about adding third-party repositories: be careful, it can cause problems. |
| 14:25.23 | dadinn | is there a better channel for this? |
| 14:25.36 | ksk | b1ackandwh1te: you cannot remove sh via apt. You should not delete random files outside of /home invoking root.. |
| 14:25.45 | bello | it will change root user's password? right? |
| 14:26.05 | jmcnaught | dadinn: if you're using Debian you're welcome to ask here, but you might need to be patient. |
| 14:26.16 | ksk | bello: you can check the manpages of both sudo and passwd to answer that question yourself |
| 14:26.22 | miskatonic | have you read the topic of the #dash channel? |
| 14:26.42 | ksk | the "description" should be enough to give you a basic understanding of what commands do |
| 14:26.53 | EdePopede | jmcnaught: i use a lot of text files, which includes things like markdown to be translated to html for the local httpd, sometimes i use find, sometimes mc's search. panelizes results on request and i can simply F3-View them. |
| 14:27.02 | dazo | jmcnaught: well, in this case I'm kind of the provider of a third-party repository :-P https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/OpenVPN3Linux |
| 14:27.23 | dazo | Just got some complaints the 'apt-key' instructions didn't work as expected on Deb10 |
| 14:27.40 | jmcnaught | dadinn: do you have a netinst debian-installer handy? It has a rescue mode under advanced boot options, can do a chroot shell and also reinstall GRUB. |
| 14:27.48 | jmcnaught | dazo: cool! |
| 14:28.04 | bello | thanks you. :) |
| 14:29.50 | dazo | In coming weeks/months, I'll start divining into what it takes to get openvpn3 into the main Debian repositories (becoming the Debian package maintainer for it, if needed) ... but we have something which works and will publish our build scripts for it |
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| 14:30.15 | dadinn | jmcnaught: I have done the installation from live CD inside KVM, so i can chroot into it and try to fix it, but I don't understand what the errors say, and the same install scripts work on BIOS boot, so I am confused what the issue is |
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| 14:31.50 | dadinn | jmcnaught: it seems to have some problem with mounting local filesystems and boot, but as to my understanding that depends on correct fstab/crypttab only... and under BIOS boot, i do it exactly the same way... so i don't see why there is that issue |
| 14:32.16 | jmcnaught | dadinn: are you mounting /boot/efi? |
| 14:32.23 | ksk | dazo: Do you think OpenVPN is viable in the mid-term now that we have wireguard? |
| 14:32.52 | ksk | even from an "linux proffesional" background it is so much nicer to use - though I have not seen it in large deployments yet (also its still beta? not sure..) |
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| 14:34.18 | dadinn | jmcnaught: actually good point, I have a ef00 FAT32 formatted partition mounted as /boot... then I install grub with the following command: |
| 14:34.21 | dadinn | grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot --bootloader-id=debian --core-compress=xz --recheck --debug $BOOTDEV |
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| 14:35.17 | dazo | ksk: Yes, OpenVPN is more capable on the authentication side, for environments wanting to do SAML based user authentication, 2FA, etc |
| 14:35.19 | jmcnaught | dadinn: it's better for /boot to be ext2 and /boot/efi to be FAT32 because FAT32 does not have UNIX permissions, so your kernel is world writable |
| 14:35.21 | dadinn | i will try the LUKS encrypted /boot later on, with the separate /boot/efi... but i was thinking this should work as well |
| 14:35.33 | ksk | dazo: I see, thanks. |
| 14:36.08 | dazo | ksk: plus ... OpenVPN has been through several security audits and another one audit for the coming 2.5 release is also in the pipe |
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| 14:36.24 | dadinn | jmcnaught: and the GRUB boot process seems to work, the issue seems with initramfs mounting the root /boot filesystems :/ |
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| 14:37.18 | dazo | ksk: And for the performance side ... we're working on a kernel module for OpenVPN, which moves the data channel (encrypted network traffic) encryption/decryption into kernel space which boost the performance a lot |
| 14:37.44 | ksk | will this mean openvpn will be able to utilize more than one core server-side? |
| 14:37.52 | dazo | ksk: absolutely |
| 14:38.15 | dadinn | jmcnaught: I wasn't sure if my scripts would work with LUKS encrypted /boot and plain FAT32 /boot/efi... that would be preferrable, but first steps firsts... |
| 14:38.56 | dazo | is working for OpenVPN Inc, with focus on the open source and Linux side |
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| 14:43.13 | dazo | ksk: our fairly simple preliminary internal lab tests, using a closed Amazon VPC between client and server, using an early PoC kernel module managed 4Gbit/s+ throughput on a 5Gbit/s link .... openvpn 2.x with user space was around 1 Gbit/s and the new openvpn3 client managed 1.4Gbit/s against the same server ... an open sourced OpenVPN 3 based server is also planned further down the road, which is also multi-thread capable |
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| 14:48.50 | AquaL1te | EdePopede: it's cached in memory, so after a or memory cleanup you have the problem again. if you like cli, you can also use the tracker command to do searches. however, gnome shell uses tracker in the background as well. use whatever you think is best. but if speed is your goal. then use gnome shell. less typing and searches are instant since it's indexed. it also includes contacts, software in the |
| 14:48.56 | AquaL1te | repo's and more. but again, if you feel more comfy to open a libreoffice doc by using find or other cli methods. that's your choice :) |
| 14:49.35 | miskatonic | yes, I use cli commands for opening things |
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| 14:50.54 | jmcnaught | gnome-shell is as close as a CLI as you're going to get in a desktop environment. It's very keyboard oriented. |
| 14:51.43 | ksk | dazo: thanks for the details :) |
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| 14:55.53 | AquaL1te | EdePopede: tracker also indexes the content of files, such as pdfs, really handy :) |
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| 15:00.02 | somiaj | does sound nice, though not something I personally need, so glad I don't have it eating up memeory. |
| 15:00.08 | b1ackandwh1te | i installed snap and it messed my PATH variable... GRRRRR |
| 15:00.21 | EdePopede | AquaL1te: most of all i try to avoid bloat. bad enough i need something like firefox to not get presented half of the web as unusable or broken. sometimes it needs minutes only to tell me why it is not reacting at all. |
| 15:01.06 | somiaj | b1ackandwh1te: what did it do that you don't like? It seems reasonable that you should have snap binaries added to your $PATH |
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| 15:01.44 | somiaj | Though i'm one of those old foggies still using fvwm, which I have trimmed down to basically give me xterms and a web browser |
| 15:01.50 | miskatonic | ratpoison already avoids most of the useless bloat |
| 15:02.16 | keebler | Heh, I still use Fluxbox, can't stand Gnome and KDE. |
| 15:04.27 | b1ackandwh1te | somiaj, after installed couldnt use sudo, snap etc. perhaps i missed some step. let my shot some thing before any help. |
| 15:05.07 | keebler | did you add yourself to the sudoers file? |
| 15:05.20 | b1ackandwh1te | keebler, yes. |
| 15:05.29 | b1ackandwh1te | 1 min.... |
| 15:05.57 | keebler | bbiaf, rebooting... so many Lenovo updates |
| 15:07.51 | somiaj | b1ackandwh1te: what do you mean you couldn't use sudo? The binary? What is the output of 'echo $PATH' |
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| 15:09.59 | b1ackandwh1te | somiaj, i could use sudo, i installed snap, and snap command was not recognized, i added snap to PATH.... now sudo and snap dont work... i just realized that *I* messed the path variable. |
| 15:10.32 | b1ackandwh1te | fk |
| 15:10.41 | ksk | thats a great first step in fixing the problem ;) |
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| 15:14.16 | b1ackandwh1te | what i did wrong? export PATH=/usr/lib/snap:/usr/lib/snap/snap/:/usr/share/snap:$PATH |
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| 15:15.17 | AquaL1te | EdePopede: that seems to be a network issue. if the other host is not sending a reject message or other network message, firefox will keep trying. lynx will do the same, if that's favorite browser. anyway use whatever you like. but be realistic with what you give as an advice to others :) |
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| 15:17.54 | ksk | b1ackandwh1te: is that the only PATH= variable in .bashrc? then you end up with only these pathes in $PATH |
| 15:18.16 | ksk | this would work if you added an additonal line (after another PATH= line). |
| 15:18.19 | b1ackandwh1te | humm |
| 15:19.18 | ksk | or eh, let us start the other way around: where did you put that line? |
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| 15:20.02 | ksk | looking at .profile over here it seems PATH is indeed comming from a system wide location (etc/profile maybe), so adding the path like that to your user based startup scripts (~/.profile or ~/.bashrc) should do. |
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| 15:22.59 | b1ackandwh1te | this fixed the sudo and all system binaries, but snap still dont work... export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/lib/snap:/usr/lib/snap/snap/:/usr/share/snap:$PATH |
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| 15:27.45 | b1ackandwh1te | its sad to be a noob :( |
| 15:28.32 | miskatonic | so gnome only works with gedit as an editor? what another catastrophe |
| 15:31.03 | b1ackandwh1te | i will create a scrip to add *all* directories to the PATH.... GRRRR |
| 15:31.36 | somiaj | shells being run from gnome aren't going to be login shells, so they won't parse .profile by default. |
| 15:31.47 | somiaj | you most likely want to put the path you want in .bashrc |
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| 15:32.11 | somiaj | miskatonic: it should work with any editr, though gedit and nano might be the only ones installed by default |
| 15:32.17 | Zewwy | why is "service networking restart" bring down my interface? |
| 15:33.30 | somiaj | Zewwy: the networking service isn't necesaraly what you think it is |
| 15:34.00 | somiaj | Zewwy: what is it you want to do? Probably better to do it that way vs restarting the networking service. |
| 15:34.14 | Zewwy | just set a static IP |
| 15:34.18 | jmcnaught | gnome-shell reads ~/.profile at login time (at least with gdm3) |
| 15:34.21 | Zewwy | https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-setup-a-static-ip-address-on-debian-linux |
| 15:34.40 | Zewwy | said to set it via "service networkign restart" which clearly doens't work properlly |
| 15:34.45 | Zewwy | https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Setting_up_an_Ethernet_Interface |
| 15:34.55 | Zewwy | as this tell you how to set the file, but not how to restart the service to apply |
| 15:35.06 | Zewwy | kind of a weak wiki |
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| 15:35.43 | ksk | b1ackandwh1te: might be your user needs to be added to a snap group or so? Did you check the wiki and manapges? |
| 15:35.50 | jmcnaught | Zewwy: restarting the network service was deprecated a long time ago. You can use ifup and ifdown on the interfaces listed in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:36.02 | Zewwy | Thats should be in the wikik |
| 15:36.06 | Zewwy | thanks |
| 15:36.07 | b1ackandwh1te | ksk, not yet! |
| 15:36.28 | jmcnaught | Zewwy: that wiki page does not say to restart the networking service |
| 15:36.54 | Zewwy | no it doesn't which is why I went to a blog to see how to do it, since it doesn't say ifup or ifdown to apply |
| 15:37.08 | Zewwy | That whihch you told me is the info I needed |
| 15:37.56 | Zewwy | Table of Contesnt should have a section "How to Apply" |
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| 15:38.37 | somiaj | Zewwy: as jmcnaught said, you use 'ifup interface' and 'ifdown interface' to bring up and down interfaces in the interfaces file. |
| 15:38.50 | Zewwy | yes i know thank you for that info |
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| 15:40.13 | jmcnaught | Zewwy: the interfaces(5) man page might also be useful for you. |
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| 15:40.50 | Zewwy | Thanks. :) my follow up suggestions are merely constructive critisim on the wiki to hopefully make it more transparent and easier for everyone in the future |
| 15:41.24 | somiaj | though you woul dhave to notice the 'see also' part, so I can see it not being clear that the interfaces file interacts with the ifupdown package (though it says it rightin the wiki, it does mention ifupdown |
| 15:41.43 | somiaj | but yea, the focus is how to create an interfaces file, you need to also know that it connects to the ifupdown package |
| 15:41.45 | Zewwy | its not easy to locate |
| 15:41.54 | jmcnaught | Zewwy: it's a good point, that page should mention ifup and ifdown. Maybe I'll edit it later today if you don't get to it first ;) |
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| 15:42.05 | Zewwy | Thanks :) |
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| 15:45.20 | b1ackandwh1te | changing my tread, do you ever heard about seccubus? |
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| 15:47.13 | b1ackandwh1te | pentest for noobs, worth a look. |
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| 16:07.02 | jmcnaught | Zewwy: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Starting_and_Stopping_Interfaces how's that? |
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| 16:15.50 | glat-agent2 | petn-randall: The only payment method is Bitcoin anyway. |
| 16:16.39 | petn-randall | glat-agent2: Do you have a Debian support question? |
| 16:16.55 | glat-agent2 | petn-randall: no. |
| 16:17.27 | petn-randall | It would have been 99€ anyway. |
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| 16:22.50 | Zewwy | jmcnaught: Great! |
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| 16:28.17 | ratrace | aww, and I wanted to buy a license! |
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| 16:31.23 | EdePopede | ratrace: sshhhh.... *whisper* would you like to buy a license? |
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| 16:34.03 | CarlFK | what in grub.cfg will dumb down the video so that my cranky display will display it? (/boot/.. grub.cfg so that it is kinda temporary as I am experimenting ) |
| 16:35.02 | CarlFK | i don't see the grub menu, lcd stays 'off' until x desktop login. |
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| 16:43.48 | bello | ratrace: i found my password on new server. :) |
| 16:44.41 | bello | my support email didn't receive response still but i solved that problem about password. |
| 16:44.55 | CarlFK | hdmi scalier to the rescue. |
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| 16:47.37 | ratrace | bello: good |
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| 16:51.15 | bello | ratrace: i can create backup of /home/* dir completely while system running? |
| 16:51.41 | bello | i never shut down system since the beginning |
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| 16:52.22 | petn-randall | bello: You'll need to boot into a live system to make a working backup. |
| 16:52.46 | petn-randall | bello: If you e.g. make a backup of your SQL database while it's running the backup will be worthless. |
| 16:52.54 | ratrace | bello: assuming no program is running that can alter files in /home/* while the backup is running, yes |
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| 16:55.04 | bello | really? it's good you told me about it |
| 16:56.14 | bello | i don't know how to do your first message petn-randall . i just login as root now. |
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| 16:57.30 | bello | ratrace: i think my znc or bots running there. how can i kill all processes which works under /home/ users dir ? |
| 16:57.49 | bello | killing their processes ok ? |
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| 17:00.42 | ratrace | bello: you can use lsof to find processes with file open under a path, then kill those or stop the services gracefully |
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| 17:50.57 | grzes | hi there, i have debian 10, i installed msmtp msmtp-mta packages and i am able to send email from shell but somehow cron emails are not sent :( |
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| 17:57.33 | petn-randall | grzes: How did you configure your cron mails, and where should they get sent to? |
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| 17:59.51 | petn-randall | grzes: Note that msmtp-mta is not a MTA. I can recommend nullmailer for simple setups. |
| 18:00.34 | miskatonic | I have survived for many years already without a proper mta |
| 18:00.39 | somiaj | what a confusing package name if a -mta is not a mta. |
| 18:01.01 | jmcnaught | msmtp-mta is not an MTA, but it is a null mailer |
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| 18:01.57 | somiaj | ahh it is just a relay that uses some other SMTP to send |
| 18:01.57 | grzes | petn-randall: in /etc/cron.d i created a file with MAILTO=some@email.com |
| 18:02.36 | grzes | msmtp is a proxy to external SMTP server |
| 18:03.07 | petn-randall | msmtp-mta does not provide "mail-transport-agent", and does not conflict with any other nullmailer. So I'm strongly assuming it actually isn't a nullmailer. |
| 18:03.17 | petn-randall | !nullmailer |
| 18:03.17 | dpkg | well, nullmailer is a minimal <MTA> for hosts which just sends directly to smart relays. Does not support /etc/aliases; define a catch-all alias in /etc/nullmailer/adminaddr instead, see adminaddr(5). http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/ See also <ssmtp>. |
| 18:03.30 | petn-randall | grzes: You want an actual nullmailer. ^^^ |
| 18:04.03 | grzes | petn-randall: ok i will give it a shot then |
| 18:04.41 | ratrace | ssmtp is deadware. I'd recommend dma |
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| 18:06.37 | jmcnaught | http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#null_client is what I use. |
| 18:07.13 | ratrace | using the whole postfix suite just for that, if you need nothing else out of it, is a bit of an overkill. |
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| 18:07.47 | miskatonic | dragonfly? |
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| 18:08.10 | ratrace | dma? yes, dragonfly mail agent |
| 18:08.15 | karlpinc | ratrace: Yeah. But I tend to stick with "one thing" that will do everything, so that when I want it to do more it can. |
| 18:08.19 | somiaj | I just use the exim4-daemon-light with local system configuration that is default. |
| 18:08.25 | miskatonic | is dma handled by systemd or does it not work as a daemon at all? |
| 18:08.38 | jmcnaught | It works, I trust it, it's under active development, I use Postfix on my actual MTA. It's not like it takes up a lot of disk space. |
| 18:08.52 | karlpinc | I'm wondering what the strict definition of a null mailer is. A forwarding only MTA? |
| 18:09.01 | ratrace | miskatonic: it's not a daemon because it needn't be a daemon. it installs a sendmail-compatible binary and runs SMTP with the configured upstream, on demand |
| 18:09.41 | karlpinc | Seems like the main MTAs all have a dpkg-reconfigure option for "relay only", so it's simple enough to use any of them. Or that's what I hear. |
| 18:10.08 | ratrace | karlpinc: "forwarding" has a different meaning in context of e-mail, and nullmailer is not that |
| 18:10.45 | ratrace | typically a "nullmailer" is a submission agent that uses an actual MTA to submit mail to. |
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| 18:11.48 | ratrace | (the said MTA can be anywhere in the network, needn't be locally installed) |
| 18:11.53 | karlpinc | ratrace: Do you think it has to supply an interface other than submission? I'm thinking of the "sendmail" command, which is still sorta-kinda-standard. |
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| 18:12.21 | ratrace | karlpinc: that's what dma does. it doesn't listen for any smtp connection |
| 18:12.51 | ratrace | and having a submission interface (like, tcp/smtp interface) on a nullmailer would defeat the purpose of it. |
| 18:13.04 | ratrace | if your client can do smtp, then you don't need an intermediary. |
| 18:13.04 | miskatonic | so a mua can fork dma to sens mail? |
| 18:13.15 | karlpinc | ratrace: What then is a "submission agent" in your definition? |
| 18:13.20 | ratrace | MUAs usually can do smtp themselves |
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| 18:13.39 | ratrace | karlpinc: a program that submits email via smtp to an MTA |
| 18:13.47 | ratrace | question is only "who" in that chain speaks smtp |
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| 18:14.16 | ratrace | a PHP script that runs local sendmail needn't speak SMTP. but local sendmail can be a DMA submission agent that then submits that mail to an actual MTA that queues it and relays forward. |
| 18:15.20 | karlpinc | ratrace: So how does a "null mailer" fit in then? What distinguishes it from a DMA? |
| 18:15.52 | ratrace | the confusion here is that a "nullmailer" is both a class of programs, and a program itself called nullmailer |
| 18:16.15 | karlpinc | ratrace: Right. I'm curious about the "class of programs" definition. |
| 18:16.30 | ratrace | dma, in this case, is just a sendmail-compatible program that uses smtp with the configured MTA to send out an email |
| 18:16.54 | ratrace | karlpinc: send only. postfix can be in a nullmailer role too. |
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| 18:20.34 | miskatonic | I see that I have dma installed to fulfil a dependencu, although it is never acrtually employed |
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| 18:23.39 | tichun | Pardon, is there default user on debootstrap? Forgot to add one before booting int it |
| 18:24.00 | ratrace | tichun: none you can log into |
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| 19:31.25 | ThothCastel | debian 10 kde not notifying when low on battery while watching a video |
| 19:37.42 | grzes | petn-randall: installed nullmailer. works like a charm now. thx! |
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| 19:41.01 | petn-randall | grzes: Nice to hear, you're welcome! |
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| 20:13.20 | netcrash | Hello, Using NFS reading remotely always the same file causes the python3 script to fail on that situation. Any ideas? |
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| 20:13.57 | greycat | fix the python3 script? |
| 20:14.09 | greycat | #python would be better suited to helping you debug your script |
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| 20:23.58 | mystic | anyoen know how to get qtox working? |
| 20:25.09 | annadane | are you having specific issues with it? |
| 20:25.34 | mystic | it wont run when i click it |
| 20:25.48 | mystic | use to run before i upgraded from ubuntu 18 to 20 |
| 20:25.50 | greycat | try running it in a terminal, and see if it produces useful errors |
| 20:25.54 | greycat | Oh. Byte. |
| 20:25.57 | greycat | Bye* |
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| 20:26.13 | mystic | ? |
| 20:26.15 | sney | !ubuntuirc |
| 20:26.15 | dpkg | This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using HexChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu |
| 20:26.20 | annadane | debian != ubuntu, ask ubuntu people |
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| 20:27.36 | annadane | although, a glowing endorsement to not use ubuntu |
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| 20:36.52 | miskatonic | why is the ubuntu channel on chat.freenode.net instead of irc.freenode.net? |
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| 20:37.37 | sney | it's the same. freenode changed their dns to chat. at one point |
| 20:39.07 | sney | that factoid includes the server info because of ubuntu users joining the other #debian, on oftc. |
| 20:39.54 | greycat | chat.freenode.net and irc.freenode.net both give the same result in DNS |
| 20:40.04 | greycat | irc.freenode.net is an alias for chat.freenode.net. |
| 20:40.12 | miskatonic | so dpkg also talks on oftc? |
| 20:40.21 | sney | yep |
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| 20:41.58 | sney | freenode (still) officially refers to chat.freenode.net as the server address: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/chat |
| 20:42.07 | greycat | wonders whether OFTC's #debian gets any Ubuntubies. |
| 20:42.40 | annadane | not... much? |
| 20:42.47 | sney | greycat: we used to get them all the time but it's been a while. possibly due to the hexchat defaults patch |
| 20:42.51 | annadane | it's predominantly kali and parrot |
| 20:43.02 | greycat | *shudder* |
| 20:43.10 | annadane | with a healthy sprinkle of mx |
| 20:43.26 | annadane | though it's cut down; now it's a bunch of people saying "hi" and not asking questions and leavin |
| 20:43.27 | annadane | g |
| 20:43.54 | sney | will never get over the humor of wannabe hackers running a chat client and announcing to a room full of strangers that they want to break into other networks/machines |
| 20:44.07 | sney | real good opsec right there |
| 20:44.13 | annadane | no, no, it's *ethical* hacking |
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| 20:50.37 | war9407 | Google Chrome on Linux - the latest update, the fonts & UI shrunk horribly with the latest update. It only goes back to normal with: /usr/bin/google-chrome-stable --force-device-scale-factor=1 |
| 20:50.50 | war9407 | Is there a place I need to set this in my .gtkrc or elsehwere so it just looks normal without specifying that flag? |
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| 20:53.08 | miskatonic | that's for chrome, not for chromium, right? |
| 20:53.52 | greycat | I am not having that issue with google-chrome-stable, for whatever it's worth. |
| 20:54.07 | war9407 | I just updated this morning and it started. |
| 20:54.32 | greycat | I'm suspecting you aren't on buster. |
| 20:55.28 | war9407 | on testing but using google-chrome-stable |
| 20:58.10 | b1ackandwh1te | just my opinion: windows 10 iso is already above 5GB, we have blueray, pendrives big in market, make available bigger complete iso is desirable, instead of having to manage many CDs, DVDs... sombody will say, go for a netinst iso and solved... well.. just a think.... |
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| 21:01.02 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 21:01.02 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 21:01.03 | annadane | war9407, ^ |
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| 21:11.30 | jhutchins | miskatonic: There's also a #debian on oftc.net which is a different channel. |
| 21:15.12 | jhutchins | b1ackandwh1te: Most people only need the first DVD. Why download a bluray image when you don't need most of it? |
| 21:17.16 | b1ackandwh1te | i agree, i never (in the first installation) reached the second DVD. but someone could need a more complete first installation, dont know jhutchins... |
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| 21:18.05 | sney | downloading the whole package archive is really only justified in situations where the system wouldn't have a reliable internet connection |
| 21:18.43 | b1ackandwh1te | well, think, why the default installation *always* ask for taht contest more user apps? |
| 21:18.48 | sney | those situations exist, so the images are available, but most users are better suited by downloading only needed packages via apt |
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| 21:19.38 | ksk | the installation ask this (in part) so debian can decide which programs to put on the first cd/dvd. |
| 21:19.47 | miskatonic | I would certa9nly need more than the first DVD. I have installed stuff from all DVDs in stretch |
| 21:19.50 | ksk | !popcorn |
| 21:19.50 | dpkg | popcorn is, like, not popcon |
| 21:19.51 | b1ackandwh1te | hum |
| 21:19.58 | ksk | close :D |
| 21:20.00 | ksk | !popcon |
| 21:20.00 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package |
| 21:20.43 | jhutchins | miskatonic: Do you use a language other than English? |
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| 21:21.52 | miskatonic | noy much |
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| 21:22.37 | jhutchins | Support for other languages is one of the things that are on the secondary images. |
| 21:22.37 | miskatonic | but my pop3 retriever is, for example, on DVD 9 of stretch |
| 21:22.48 | b1ackandwh1te | my native idiom isnt english. |
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| 21:23.56 | jhutchins | I guess anthing unusual that's not part of the defaut install I pull with apt. Been doing it that way for several distros. |
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| 21:24.05 | b1ackandwh1te | DVD 9 or 3? |
| 21:24.55 | jhutchins | miskatonic: fetchmail? |
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| 21:28.01 | b1ackandwh1te | well, at least put: ALL.iso torrent for later offline installation. :) |
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| 21:30.52 | miskatonic | no, mpop |
| 21:33.14 | abrotman | b1ackandwh1te: you want the entire repository on a single "iso" ? |
| 21:33.35 | b1ackandwh1te | abrotman, yes, :P |
| 21:33.47 | b1ackandwh1te | badidea? |
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| 21:34.48 | b1ackandwh1te | is it gigantic? |
| 21:35.39 | abrotman | How many DVDs are there? |
| 21:35.54 | b1ackandwh1te | i saw 3. |
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| 21:36.40 | jhutchins | b1ackandwh1te: I know the package count passed 50,000 several years aga, isn't it around 70k now? |
| 21:36.45 | abrotman | appears to be 15 DVDs |
| 21:37.02 | b1ackandwh1te | hmmm |
| 21:37.36 | b1ackandwh1te | by torrent wont hurt. |
| 21:37.37 | abrotman | FWIW, I think you can mangle the jigdo template to do that .. but, why? |
| 21:38.45 | b1ackandwh1te | is way faster install from local than it is from internet. |
| 21:39.03 | greycat | I installed buster for the first time today. My workplace firewall's refusal to let an HTTP mirror work kinda sucked, but I was able to install things after rebooting into Debian and manually editing sources.list. |
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| 21:39.52 | greycat | I learned things. For example, I learned that if you can't get a mirror to work during the install, the tasksel menu only contains "Standard" and nothing else. (Assuming you used a CD image.) |
| 21:40.11 | greycat | I also learned that there's no user interface support for using an HTTPS mirror. |
| 21:41.00 | petn-randall | greycat: That sounds like a weird policy, sorry to hear that. |
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| 21:44.26 | b1ackandwh1te | i think the only drawback is to eat in statitcs the bandwidth of some debian file servers, mirrors, etc |
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| 21:44.45 | miskatonic | torrent is awfully slow in germany |
| 21:44.59 | abrotman | b1ackandwh1te: you're unlikely to use 15 DVDs of stuff ... |
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| 21:45.14 | b1ackandwh1te | abrotman, mmm i agree. |
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| 21:46.59 | b1ackandwh1te | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.24 | b1ackandwh1te | most used apps from X to 3X.iso |
| 21:47.40 | petn-randall | b1ackandwh1te: I think the blurays are a bit larger. |
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| 21:48.20 | abrotman | still four bluray ... |
| 21:48.31 | b1ackandwh1te | i never testesd bluray yet, :P |
| 21:49.26 | miskatonic | I don't have a bluray drive, so that is no option |
| 21:49.50 | b1ackandwh1te | i have |
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| 21:51.15 | petn-randall | I only use the net installer to do things. The last time I used all disks was about 10 years ago ... |
| 21:51.59 | abrotman | I think the last time I used a CD set was when I was at Uni, and the dialup pool (yes ..) had a time limit |
| 21:52.03 | b1ackandwh1te | just in case you have to do an offline installation, netinstall works? |
| 21:52.17 | annadane | the blueray comes with an anti-piracy notice you have to sit through before you can install debian |
| 21:52.20 | annadane | (kidding) |
| 21:52.23 | petn-randall | b1ackandwh1te: It's enough to get a minimal system installed, but that's it. |
| 21:53.29 | b1ackandwh1te | you are the boss. |
| 21:53.57 | petn-randall | Err, I am? |
| 21:54.25 | miskatonic | even for my window manager I have to wait until DVD 6 |
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| 21:58.39 | b1ackandwh1te | and for automated recovery/installation of an original big system, would be *fast*. more then 1 installation with same big spec. |
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| 21:59.37 | jhutchins | b1ackandwh1te: Then there are those of us with gigabit internet. |
| 22:00.14 | b1ackandwh1te | lol and those with nanoB bandwidht |
| 22:00.22 | somiaj | b1ackandwh1te: another option is to setup an apt-cacher-ng server on your network, and thus you don't have to download packages more than once, and then cache the ones you need. |
| 22:01.10 | b1ackandwh1te | mmm |
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| 22:02.40 | ksk | not too useful if you only have one computer though, like how many times are you going to install the same package? |
| 22:02.42 | b1ackandwh1te | somiaj, apt-cacher etc already exists? |
| 22:02.51 | abrotman | ksk: ALL DAY, EVERY DAY! |
| 22:03.16 | ksk | abrotman: dont forget "apt-get clean" ;) |
| 22:04.08 | b1ackandwh1te | if you say so |
| 22:04.11 | b1ackandwh1te | well |
| 22:04.51 | somiaj | b1ackandwh1te: sure, I just like to suggest the -ng (next generation) version |
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| 22:07.46 | karlpinc | b1ackandwh1te: You may as well (not really, but...) setup your own local mirror. At least that way your images won't be stale instantly. |
| 22:08.20 | b1ackandwh1te | mmmmmmmmmmm |
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| 22:09.14 | b1ackandwh1te | done :), karlpinc |
| 22:10.09 | b1ackandwh1te | for *my* needs. |
| 22:11.46 | b1ackandwh1te | but of course, you sysadmins must be prepared for all possible client needs. |
| 22:12.38 | somiaj | most assume an internet connection, which we might be disapointed if ever it were to go down for an extended time |
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| 22:14.59 | karlpinc | Debian has pretty much always assumed some sort of internet connection, imo. It's one of the things that kept me from debian in "the early days" when you couldn't even get dialup into the internet. |
| 22:15.19 | karlpinc | Frankly, I no longer recall the hassles. |
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| 22:21.10 | b1ackandwh1te | well, if asked to open a thread with status importance, this would be *low* |
| 22:21.44 | b1ackandwh1te | but with covid i dont have better thing to do. |
| 22:28.02 | abrotman | a thread? |
| 22:28.58 | jhutchins | b1ackandwh1te: I don't know of any admins for the Debian servers who hang out here. Plenty of individual users and some professional sysadmins for other orgs. |
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| 22:29.25 | b1ackandwh1te | abrotman, debian decisions happen officialy by mail, i guess... trheads dont konw |
| 22:29.42 | abrotman | the BTS perhaps |
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| 22:33.28 | b1ackandwh1te | mmmmm, this is just a debate,.. well, windows 10 users dont go to the forums give me windows 11, but microsoft is already on plans i bet. |
| 22:33.56 | expon | could someone please help me build a later version of libksba (1.4.0) use gbp? The salsa repository has only a single branch, and import-dsc produces a repository with zero remotes |
| 22:34.01 | abrotman | Windows 10 users don't get all their software from a single respository .. they get it from a ton of different download sites |
| 22:34.07 | expon | i've read the documentation but it's essentially nonexistent on this subject |
| 22:34.19 | expon | and the error messages are effectively meaningless |
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| 22:34.40 | miskatonic | most windows users don't care about the version of windows |
| 22:35.02 | somiaj | expon: so you need a newer upstream version that hasn't made it to debian sid yet? |
| 22:35.11 | somiaj | ,v libksba |
| 22:35.12 | judd | No package named 'libksba' was found in amd64. |
| 22:35.14 | expon | somiaj: it's begun being packaged in experimental, but i simply want to learn how to use gbp properly |
| 22:35.43 | somiaj | just build it locally and install in /usr/local? |
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| 22:36.13 | expon | somiaj: i can't build it, the repo has no upstream, there's no populated files, what little snippets i've tried produce incomprehensible errors |
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| 22:36.30 | somiaj | You don't always have to build things into .deb files, and there are tools like gnu stow to help manage locally built stuff |
| 22:36.34 | expon | i'd love to follow a tutorial but the few that exist give incorrect information |
| 22:36.50 | expon | somiaj: oh i possibly could, but building things like gpg get impressively complex |
| 22:37.09 | expon | so i'd like to learn the correct debian way, only it seems to be pretty much cryptically stored in the minds of the maintainers |
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| 22:40.27 | somiaj | expon: the new matainer's guide gives a lot of useful info on how to build debian packages, but yes a lot depends on the build process of a particular project and modifying things to fit it. |
| 22:40.47 | somiaj | but if you aren't able to build locally, building into a .deb only adds another layer of configurations to the build process |
| 22:41.03 | expon | somiaj: in this case the repository contains a single 'debian' folder, no upstream or pristine-tar branch |
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| 22:41.05 | expon | nothing else |
| 22:41.16 | miskatonic | good knowledge of Toy Story seems to be required |
| 22:41.34 | expon | if you can point me to where that's documented i'd be grateful |
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| 22:42.28 | somiaj | yes, debian packages are built by having everything needed to build the package in a single debian/ folder inside the source. |
| 22:42.36 | somiaj | !nmg |
| 22:42.36 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (https://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (https://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. https://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 22:42.45 | expon | yes i understand that, however this is not inside the source |
| 22:43.08 | expon | none of the methods i have tried produce a working gbp folder |
| 22:43.15 | expon | cloning means i'm missing the required upstream/ tags |
| 22:43.23 | expon | using import-dsc does not set up any remotes |
| 22:43.49 | expon | i am a competent linux administrator, but this is absolutely incomprehensible |
| 22:43.49 | somiaj | well you might find the support you need is elsewhere, this is more a debian stable support channel, and I didn't even see the lib you named in experiemental (though you may have the wrong package name). You may find #packaging on irc.oftc.net able to give a bit better help on packaging issues |
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| 22:44.40 | expon | in buster it appears to be called libksba8 |
| 22:45.35 | somiaj | ahh yea, I found it on the tracker. https://sources.debian.org/src/libksba/1.4.0-1/ -- I see more than a debian/ folder there |
| 22:45.49 | expon | that's the built source package isn't it? |
| 22:45.58 | expon | i'm interested in https://salsa.debian.org/gnutls-team/libksba |
| 22:46.01 | somiaj | are you building on debian stable? sid? |
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| 22:46.14 | expon | i have pbuilder images of both |
| 22:46.16 | somiaj | that is the source for the expiermental package which contains both the upstream source and the debian/ |
| 22:46.18 | expon | or cowbuilder now |
| 22:46.32 | expon | ok, i don't understand how to create that package, and would like to understand how |
| 22:46.38 | somiaj | just grab the experiemtnal package from deb-src |
| 22:46.54 | somiaj | all the salsa link has is the debian/ folder, which you add to the upstream source to build the package. |
| 22:47.01 | miskatonic | another requirement for debian packagers is a large supply of coffee |
| 22:47.10 | expon | i've tried that with gbp, and it doesn't create the requisite upstream/ tag |
| 22:47.12 | expon | and so the build fails |
| 22:47.20 | somiaj | so you need both the debian/ and the upstream source, since there is already an experimental package, just grab that source package and get both the upstream source and debian/ together. |
| 22:47.24 | expon | using import-dsc does, but does not set up any remote, so no commands there work either |
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| 22:47.38 | somiaj | you cannot build the package with just the salsa link, you need the upstream source..... |
| 22:47.43 | somiaj | !ssb |
| 22:47.44 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 22:47.56 | expon | yes i'm aware of that, how should i create the required upstream tag? |
| 22:47.59 | somiaj | anways I would try that using the experimental package deb-src line. |
| 22:48.11 | somiaj | what do you mean by required upstream tag? |
| 22:48.12 | expon | miskatonic: i've had a couple of teas already and it's just making me irritable now :( |
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| 22:48.27 | expon | somiaj: when building with gbp buildpackage it complains that upstream/1.3.5 or upstream/1.4.0 is not a valid 'treeish' |
| 22:48.28 | somiaj | do you want to change the version of the package to some custom version (tag it)? |
| 22:48.35 | expon | which i have gathered through significant googling indicates i'm missing a local tag |
| 22:48.55 | expon | that tag is set up correctly if import-dsc is used, but it does not create any remotes and so i am at a loss how to continue from there either |
| 22:49.17 | expon | none of the documentation seems to explain anything, it's assumed you basically already know how to use all of this in order to be able to use it.. which is tricky! |
| 22:51.23 | expon | oh and i should say that using gbp clone and then gbp import-orig adds some 600 commits to the repository, writes a huge changelog and then fails to build for the same reason |
| 22:52.04 | expon | normally i'd just read the source but i've been cloning git-buildpackage for 20+ minutes now and it's still ongoing... |
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| 22:53.33 | b1ackandwh1te | expon, sorry, how much tee you took? |
| 22:53.41 | expon | b1ackandwh1te: i estimate 1l :) |
| 22:56.48 | ThothCastel | anyone familiar as to how to modify defaults of Debian for showing the notification of low battery on a laptop |
| 22:57.11 | somiaj | ThothCastel: this most likely depends on the desktop/wm you are using |
| 22:57.21 | ThothCastel | when I watch a video, battery notification does show up |
| 22:57.33 | ThothCastel | somiaj: |
| 22:57.46 | ThothCastel | using KDE plasma |
| 22:57.49 | ThothCastel | debian buster |
| 22:58.09 | miskatonic | another condition for paackaging is the address of a good psychiatrist, because packaging makes paranoid |
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| 22:58.27 | somiaj | expon: for what it is worth, the source from experiemntal builds just fine in a sid chroot, no errors. I don't know what it is you are trying to do, but you may find that the support you need is elsewhere. |
| 22:58.46 | expon | somiaj: i'm sorry i don't really know how i can be more clear, i'm trying to learn how to use gbp |
| 22:59.30 | b1ackandwh1te | (alert of toxic environment) |
| 23:01.12 | expon | (still cloning btw) |
| 23:01.53 | somiaj | ThothCastel: is your batery actually low, is there some bug where the battery is not being detected correctly? Have you looked through kde power manage settings to configure when you get that warning? |
| 23:02.05 | miskatonic | one does not need a desktiop for checking the battery status |
| 23:02.14 | ThothCastel | somiaj: the battery is fine all good |
| 23:02.25 | ThothCastel | I have been told that this is a common issue with kde plasma |
| 23:02.34 | ThothCastel | https://askubuntu.com/questions/726839/how-to-send-kde5-desktop-notification-from-a-bash-script |
| 23:02.35 | somiaj | miskatonic: although true, best to try to provide support vs just adding comments. |
| 23:02.46 | ThothCastel | been trying to run a script when battery is low |
| 23:02.49 | ThothCastel | so I created this |
| 23:03.08 | ThothCastel | kdialog --icon ~/Apps/Config_Low_Battery_Notification/Low_battery_icon.jpeg --title 'Battery Low (15% Custom)' --passivepopup 'Your battery is low. If you need to continue using your computer, either plug in your computer, or shut it down and then change the battery.' 10 |
| 23:03.17 | ThothCastel | it runs perfectly fine when I manually execute it |
| 23:03.33 | ThothCastel | but I need it to be run when the notification comes up |
| 23:03.39 | somiaj | ThothCastel: So this notification you created is triggering even when the battery isn't below 15%? |
| 23:03.59 | somiaj | oh you want this to trigger when the notification occurs? |
| 23:04.05 | ThothCastel | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/lDfxLcFq/image.png |
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| 23:04.18 | ThothCastel | so I saved the command I sent you in a .sh file |
| 23:04.30 | ThothCastel | trying to call it from the run command in notifications settings |
| 23:04.36 | ThothCastel | but the command is not being run |
| 23:04.59 | ThothCastel | somiaj: yes |
| 23:05.21 | ThothCastel | ideally I would like the notification to appear when I am watching a video in full screen |
| 23:05.23 | somiaj | hmm, I don't know kde well enough to provide much more help, but that script does have chmod +x so it is executable and a proper shebang, #!/bin/bash as the first line? |
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| 23:05.49 | ThothCastel | ah ok |
| 23:05.56 | ThothCastel | so I need to add #!/bin/bash ? |
| 23:06.12 | somiaj | it is best to have that so the shell knows to use bash to run the script instead of assume |
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| 23:06.18 | miskatonic | if it is actually bash code ... |
| 23:06.50 | ThothCastel | inside of the text file it is the following code only |
| 23:07.10 | ThothCastel | kdialog --icon /home/maraujo/Apps/Config_Low_Battery_Notification/Low_battery_icon.jpeg --title 'Battery Low (15% Custom)' --passivepopup 'Your battery is low. If you need to continue using your computer, either plug in your computer, or shut it down and then change the battery.' 10 |
| 23:08.45 | somiaj | ThothCastel: although maybe not an issue, you can use the full path to kdialog to make sure there isn't a PATH issue when it is being executed. |
| 23:09.13 | ThothCastel | somiaj: how can i find the path of kdialog? |
| 23:09.24 | somiaj | but you say running '/home/maraujo/Apps/Config_Lob_Battery_Notification/low_battery_custom_videos.sh' does the right thing |
| 23:09.36 | somiaj | most likely /usr/bin, but you can run 'which kdialog' |
| 23:10.28 | ThothCastel | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/7bJsDhFv/image.png |
| 23:10.29 | miskatonic | source .profile |
| 23:10.40 | ThothCastel | somiaj: yes it does the right thing if run manually |
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| 23:11.14 | somiaj | miskatonic: again you aren't really providing any useful support |
| 23:11.15 | ThothCastel | yes /usr/bin/kdialog |
| 23:12.19 | somiaj | ThothCastel: Let me just recap, the issue is this notifaction won't appear if you have a full screen video? So if you do something like sleep 30; <your command> -- then run a full screen video, you don't see it popup over the full scren? |
| 23:12.30 | ThothCastel | so now i have this: |
| 23:12.33 | ThothCastel | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/qMVwMeix/ |
| 23:12.41 | somiaj | ThothCastel: I'm just trying to debug if it is the full screen vs the power management not triggering the command |
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| 23:17.47 | ThothCastel | this is what i have |
| 23:17.50 | ThothCastel | trying the sleep |
| 23:17.58 | ThothCastel | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/zPbT9vZ6/image.png |
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| 23:19.15 | ThothCastel | somiaj: |
| 23:19.20 | ThothCastel | that was a good test |
| 23:19.36 | ThothCastel | it seems that the full screen is what prevents the notification from being shown |
| 23:19.49 | b1ackandwh1te | in my family i have problems like these |
| 23:19.52 | ThothCastel | BUT at the same time, I have tried a separate task as well |
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| 23:20.18 | ThothCastel | I created a separate script that would create a folder when the powermanagement would trigger the notification for low battery |
| 23:20.30 | ThothCastel | but the directory was not created either |
| 23:20.35 | ThothCastel | so it wasn't triggered |
| 23:20.57 | somiaj | ThothCastel: I was trying to see if there was an option to force it over full screen apps, might be just in how kde handels fullscreen apps. |
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| 23:21.43 | somiaj | might find some support from kde users more useful, this doesn't sound like a debian specific thing. If there is a kde channel, I would suggest that, as they may better undersatnd how kde works. |
| 23:22.19 | ThothCastel | ok cool thanks somiaj |
| 23:22.42 | ThothCastel | but regardless, the script i created as a test to be run with power management, should have run, correct? |
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| 23:23.00 | ThothCastel | this is what I entered as a test: |
| 23:23.02 | ThothCastel | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/byidrgju/ |
| 23:23.12 | somiaj | provided there wasn't some error in the paths or whatnot in the script. |
| 23:24.04 | b1ackandwh1te | i must do a trip tomorrow |
| 23:24.36 | somiaj | You could always test by setting the low battery level to 1% lower than you have right now and just wait without being in full screen |
| 23:24.56 | somiaj | b1ackandwh1te: we try to keep support questions here, there aer offtopic channels, such as #debian-offtopic |
| 23:24.59 | ThothCastel | right good idea |
| 23:25.16 | b1ackandwh1te | somiaj, thanks. |
| 23:25.36 | somiaj | ThothCastel: but I would look for kde users, freenode might have a kde channel, and there is #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net |
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| 23:27.06 | ThothCastel | ok thanks! |
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| 23:28.02 | ThothCastel | somiaj: I am connected to freenode now, if I connect to irc.oftc.net will i get disconnected from freenode? |
| 23:29.53 | somiaj | ThothCastel: most irc clients allow you to be on multiple networks, just use /connect not /server |
| 23:30.22 | ThothCastel | ah ok |
| 23:30.23 | ThothCastel | got it |
| 23:30.46 | ThothCastel | I need to register a nickname there as I never used anything else other than freenode where I have my nick registered |
| 23:31.23 | ksk | ThothCastel: normally you do not need to register, you can just use irc. |
| 23:31.34 | ksk | some channels requiure you to have an account though, mostly for spam prevention |
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| 23:34.21 | somiaj | yea, I think more and more you have to register just because of spammers, always have to take away nice things due to a small few |
| 23:35.31 | ThothCastel | right but the registration process is with nickserv right? |
| 23:35.43 | ThothCastel | since I already have a registered nickname here on freenode |
| 23:35.50 | ThothCastel | do i need to register again? |
| 23:35.58 | ThothCastel | won't it affect my current one with freenode? |
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| 23:36.59 | ThothCastel | somiaj: between, the test of running the script didn't work either |
| 23:37.19 | ksk | ThothCastel: freenode and oftc are different networks. They use the same software to some degree, and both utilize nickserv, yes. |
| 23:37.19 | ThothCastel | so the power management isn't triggering the command in quesiton |
| 23:38.01 | ThothCastel | ksk: cool - but how can I register a separate nickname with nickserv if I am connected to both freenode and OFTC? |
| 23:38.48 | ksk | that depends on your irc-client. Basicly you need to send "help register" to oftc/nickserv |
| 23:40.35 | ThothCastel | ksk ok |
| 23:40.57 | ThothCastel | I have found that the registration process is the same as I went through way back in the days when I first registered with freenode |
| 23:41.22 | ThothCastel | but what i don't get is that oftc is asking me to register with nickserv |
| 23:41.35 | ThothCastel | which is the same account that i am using to chat with ypou now via freenode |
| 23:42.11 | ThothCastel | does that mean I can just identify myself with my current nickserv nickname? |
| 23:42.20 | ksk | ThothCastel: eeeh. |
| 23:42.26 | ThothCastel | I tried that it says i am not registered which is awkward |
| 23:42.36 | ksk | oftc and freenode are two seperate instances. |
| 23:42.56 | ksk | and even though the bots that handle registration and authentication are both named "nickserv", they have _nothing_ to do with each other |
| 23:43.41 | ksk | maybe you should join #help - I found them most helpful most of times :) |
| 23:47.38 | ThothCastel | ah ok |
| 23:47.39 | ThothCastel | got it |
| 23:47.43 | ThothCastel | thank you |
| 23:47.44 | ThothCastel | I am in |
| 23:48.06 | ThothCastel | ksk i have registered and identified |
| 23:48.12 | ThothCastel | asking for verification now lol |
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| 23:52.12 | ThothCastel | ksk |
| 23:52.30 | ThothCastel | I am now in #debian-kde on oftc |
| 23:52.34 | ThothCastel | thanks for your help! |
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| 23:54.42 | bello | how can i send about 5 gb file between 2 servers on ssh? its one compressed backup file and i often disconnect from ssh session |
| 23:55.41 | ksk | bello: dirty hack, but run rsync in a loop? make sure to builtin a 1s sleep or so into the loop.. |
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| 23:58.36 | bello | ksk: im newbie. i don't know about commands much |
| 23:59.02 | ksk | !rsync |
| 23:59.03 | dpkg | it has been said that rsync is a superior network file synchronization program. Handy for downloading a Linux kernel, e.g. rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.29.3.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/ Useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ , see also <rsnapshot>. http://rsync.samba.org/ #rsync on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:59.10 | ThothCastel | ksk: I am trying to join #help |
| 23:59.17 | ThothCastel | it says i must be invited?! |
| 23:59.30 | ThothCastel | is this #help channel part of freenode? |
| 23:59.57 | ksk | ThothCastel: that would be a channel for network related help, not kde or debian. might be its named #oftc on oftc, not sure. see their webppage - offtopic in here :P |
