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| 00:13.39 | PEL0 | hi guys |
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| 00:23.39 | darsie | hi guy |
| 00:23.53 | petn-randall | + gals |
| 00:24.01 | nyov | was just about to say... |
| 00:24.11 | nyov | nobody ever greets the gals :P |
| 00:24.20 | darsie | gals are guys, too. |
| 00:24.27 | nyov | ofc |
| 00:25.08 | darsie | Now if someone said hi gals, that would be inappropriate, even if she said gals means guys, too. |
| 00:25.41 | nyov | ... |
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| 00:28.01 | Urchin | that's odd |
| 00:28.07 | Urchin | by odd I mean normal but inconsistent |
| 00:28.11 | PEL0 | hahah |
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| 00:44.14 | PEL0 | does anyone use KVM as virtulization and manage via the web? |
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| 00:46.16 | petn-randall | PEL0: Are you looking for web-based solution? |
| 00:46.39 | somiaj | hmm, wonder if libvirt has such a thing already. |
| 00:48.12 | somiaj | ,i cockpit |
| 00:48.13 | judd | Package cockpit (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Web Console for Linux servers. Version: 188-1; Size: 25.1k; Installed: 59k; Homepage: https://cockpit-project.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/cockpit |
| 00:48.44 | somiaj | https://cockpit-project.org/guide/latest/feature-virtualmachines -- seems cockpit works with libvirt |
| 00:49.05 | somiaj | ,i cockpit-machines |
| 00:49.06 | judd | Package cockpit-machines (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Cockpit user interface for virtual machines. Version: 188-1; Size: 437.6k; Installed: 467k; Homepage: https://cockpit-project.org/ |
| 00:49.19 | somiaj | and that appears to be the package/interface for that. |
| 00:49.41 | somiaj | (though in general there are mixed feelings about having a web exposed tool to manage a system) |
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| 00:49.56 | somiaj | PEL0: ^^ |
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| 00:51.37 | PEL0 | cokpit is limited compared to virt-manager |
| 00:52.13 | somiaj | althought is isn't debian, have you looked at proxmox? |
| 00:52.16 | somiaj | !proxmox |
| 00:52.16 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
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| 00:53.53 | PEL0 | snaphost is not possible for exemple |
| 00:54.04 | PEL0 | with cockpit |
| 00:54.54 | petn-randall | PEL0: What is preventing you from using virt-manager? |
| 00:55.56 | PEL0 | i dindn't wuant to leave debian |
| 00:56.11 | PEL0 | want* |
| 00:57.35 | petn-randall | PEL0: Eh? What do you mean with that? |
| 00:57.46 | petn-randall | PEL0: virt-manager is a package in Debian. |
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| 00:58.30 | PEL0 | already use, but it's not web |
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| 00:59.02 | fuxxy | Anyone know if the debian krb5 client supports /etc/krb5.conf.d/ configuration directory? All I have is /etc/krb5.conf |
| 00:59.42 | PEL0 | yes |
| 01:00.34 | PEL0 | manage my VMs |
| 01:00.43 | PEL0 | from web |
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| 01:03.43 | PEL0 | virt-manager is very complete, but i need to access via ssh or run local and point out the servers |
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| 01:04.17 | petn-randall | PEL0: It also comes with proper authentication. |
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| 01:15.01 | PEL0 | that is not the point |
| 01:16.08 | PEL0 | wanted web management with the some features as virt-manager |
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| 01:18.45 | joepublic | vnc is a sucky but workable solution for that |
| 01:20.23 | PEL0 | there is not graphics |
| 01:24.01 | petn-randall | PEL0: I guess the answer then is "There is no web solution to libvirt that is as mature as virt-manager." |
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| 01:28.20 | PEL0 | maybe |
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| 02:01.56 | Encapsulation | I followed this random guide I found on the internet and now for some reason my openssl is broken. I was trying to upgrade to python 3.7+ so I can run some stuff. |
| 02:01.59 | Encapsulation | https://jameskiefer.com/posts/installing-python-3.7-on-debian-8/ |
| 02:02.14 | Encapsulation | I later found out about pyenv but the damage is done, when I try to use pip now I get this error |
| 02:02.25 | Encapsulation | ffi.ffiplatform.VerificationError: importing '/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/cryptography/_Cryptography_cffi_813c10e0x7adb75f8.x86_64-linux-gnu.so': /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/cryptography/_Cryptography_cffi_813c10e0x7adb75f8.x86_64-linux-gnu.so: symbol EC_GFp_nistp521_method, version OPENSSL_1.0.1 not defined in file libcrypto.so.1.0.0 with link time reference |
| 02:03.11 | annadane | this is why god invented virtualenvs |
| 02:03.15 | annadane | your python is now broken |
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| 02:03.29 | annadane | don't overwrite system path stuff |
| 02:03.49 | annadane | also, debian 8 is getting outdated and you should consider moving to 10 regardless |
| 02:05.01 | Encapsulation | Is there a quick fix? I'll upgrade to 10 if I must. A lot of stuff to back up |
| 02:05.44 | derpadmin | I would upgrade to 10 |
| 02:05.52 | derpadmin | inplace upgrades are decent today |
| 02:06.11 | derpadmin | or backup & clean install |
| 02:06.18 | derpadmin | still my favorite way |
| 02:06.23 | derpadmin | but I am a backup freak |
| 02:06.32 | Encapsulation | Okay yeah I have to backup, they said I can't do it in place |
| 02:06.54 | Encapsulation | I'll go that route then, and avoid changing this kind of thing in the future |
| 02:06.58 | derpadmin | you would have the benefit of having a clean system |
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| 02:20.30 | annadane | Encapsulation, you can't *skip* stable releases |
| 02:21.05 | annadane | so if you *can* fix python (not sure how), you can go 8 -> 9 -> 10 |
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| 02:51.17 | tds | annadane: theoretical question, if you just switched from jessie to buster repos and upgraded all packages, why wouldn't that work? |
| 02:51.58 | annadane | some might work but you're intended to go one release at a time |
| 02:52.36 | tds | just depends on individual packages and anything they might've included for migrations along the way I suppose |
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| 02:53.55 | annadane | i mean it's 2+ years of version changes |
| 02:54.02 | annadane | don't mess around with it more than you have to |
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| 02:56.23 | annadane | you're also upgrading a *release*, not just individual packages |
| 02:57.03 | joepublic | it wouldn't work because each release is a finely tuned machine: tuned to work together, and to upgrade the previous release. trying to upgrade to not-the-next-version will reveal this. |
| 02:57.37 | joepublic | Such an exercise, while leaving you with a broken system, would be a great instructive tool to demonstrate how much work goes into debian packaging. |
| 02:58.10 | joepublic | And as usual, you get to keep both pieces. |
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| 03:07.41 | annadane | feel free to try it out in a VM |
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| 04:38.31 | cluelessperson | but, I'm not finding the instructions or package I had before |
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| 04:46.12 | precise | Hi guys, kind of in a pickle here. I just upgraded from Stretch to Buster per the Debian docs. Changed my sources.list, used apt to do the upgrades. To preface this, I've got backups, worst case I think I can figure out how to roll back, but I really don't want to. Anywho... I rebooted after the upgrades finished, I noticed something about the rpcbind service not starting, was scrolling fast and couldn't |
| 04:46.18 | precise | see much more, but then it launched in an fsck check and despite the message, CTRL+C wouldn't stop it. I launched another TTY and rebooted, same thing. Went into GRUB and set a onetime fastboot option at the CLI and got (seemingly) passed the fsck, but now it just hangs at the message that came prior to the original fsck. I'm not really sure where to go from here. I'm sorry if this is a bit of a flood, |
| 04:46.24 | precise | but I've not got another machine and this is sent from my irssi on tty :P Thanks for any help you can offer :) |
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| 04:51.13 | precise | Ok. systemctl --failed returns 3 failed services, strongswan (irrelevant AFAIK) and then rpcbind.service and rpcbind.socket |
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| 04:53.21 | diogenes_ | precise, maybe set / 0 0 in fstab to skip filesystem check. |
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| 04:55.25 | cluelessperson | So yeah, it's mostly radio specific stuff I don't seem to know. |
| 04:56.15 | precise | diogenes_: Ok, does that differ from the fastboot option? Funnily enough I just ran across a line in journalctl advising me to use the specific fsck.mode=skip line rather than fastboot, haha. |
| 04:58.26 | precise | Think I'm gonna start cURL'ing google lmao fuck thisssssssss. |
| 05:06.49 | precise | Alright, does anyone know what would cause a series of warnings in journalctl, all in the vein of "WARNING: Unable to find required component 'org.gnome.SettingsDaemon.*'? There's a variety of different components like .Color, .Keyboard, .Mouse, etc. It lends to the possibility that uh Gnome is broken I guess. I don't want to make any assumptions though, anyone know where else I could check, perhaps gnome |
| 05:06.55 | precise | specific logs? |
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| 05:12.50 | nvz | precise: my thought is either gnome-settings-daemon is not installed or running or the settings somehow gotten removed from gconf |
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| 05:14.59 | precise | Thanks nvz, let me look into that :) I just found some unrelated broken dependencies, I think something went wrong during my upgrade, perhaps gnome-settings-daemon got caught up? |
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| 05:15.54 | diogenes_ | also if it's installed but can't find it, run: sudo /usr/bin/glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/ |
| 05:16.19 | precise | diogenes_: Can I ask what that does? |
| 05:17.47 | diogenes_ | if looks for all the schemas for the applications like org.gnome.SettingsDaemon |
| 05:18.23 | precise | Ok :) |
| 05:18.51 | diogenes_ | you can check if it's present in /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/ |
| 05:20.11 | diogenes_ | but i don't use gnome so i don't know how gnome works. |
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| 05:21.15 | precise | Ok, so there's a bunch of schemas in that directory, but org.gnome.SettingsDaemon isn't one of them... |
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| 05:21.49 | precise | I've got org.gnome.SessionManager is there |
| 05:22.01 | precise | Hrm |
| 05:22.28 | precise | I just fixed the dependency issues, seemed like there were tons of partially install pacakges held up. |
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| 05:23.52 | precise | BRB, I'm gonna reboot. |
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| 05:30.04 | precise | Welp, that worked. Something went wrong with a dependency somewhere in the mass of upgrades that I triggered and some pretty essential packages didn't get fully installed, configs weren't pushed out, etc. Thanks for your help guys! |
| 05:30.28 | precise | --sent from a beautiful gui |
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| 06:13.42 | annadane | i should know this, but if i have a folder full of files and i want to move them all to a directory, creating that directory in the process, do i just mv * directoryname? |
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| 06:13.56 | annadane | within the same folder, that is |
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| 06:17.19 | nvz | annadane: mv doesn't create directories.. the motto was always do one thing, do it well |
| 06:18.57 | nvz | annadane: mkdir -p however will create all directories required to create a path |
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| 06:25.34 | OS-59788 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:25.50 | nvz | @.@ |
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| 06:31.10 | annadane | okay, next question then, how can i re-place a file? say from the beginning of a folder to somewhere else in that folder |
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| 06:31.33 | nvz | o.O |
| 06:31.33 | annadane | so that i can put my playlist right and just use mpv to play them all in order |
| 06:31.43 | nvz | !folder |
| 06:31.43 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 06:32.02 | annadane | now i'll continue calling it that, just to piss you off :P |
| 06:32.51 | nvz | annadane: its better to be pissed off than pissed on, canadia is not that far, eh?! |
| 06:35.34 | annadane | you can make in-order music playlists with rhythmbox, i suppose i could use that with video clips too but i feel there should be another way |
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| 06:36.09 | nvz | you can make in-order playlists with anything .. |
| 06:36.38 | nvz | a playlist format, like m3u does such things, you just don't put the player in random |
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| 06:40.04 | annadane | oh, this isn't even necessarily sorted in order |
| 06:40.14 | annadane | my question is more thunar-specific then |
| 06:40.29 | annadane | words are not my strong point right now |
| 06:41.24 | annadane | okay, playlist making it is |
| 06:42.01 | annadane | it actually is *mostly* sorted the right way in the file manager, i just would like to drag one specific file, but... |
| 06:42.29 | annadane | i'll just do it with an actual playlist maker thingy |
| 06:43.28 | annadane | i'm still stuck on dumb windows-isms, is why |
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| 06:46.50 | annadane | just, um, ignore everything i said in the last half hour |
| 06:46.54 | annadane | this conversation never happened |
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| 06:47.38 | OS-59788 | "/msg NickServ REGISTER password anoopdesom@gmail.com" |
| 06:48.40 | annadane | ideally your password is more than just "password", but it's good you didn't tell us your actual one |
| 06:48.54 | annadane | do that without quotes, ideally not in a chat room |
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| 06:50.54 | annadane | also you probably want a name other than os-59788 |
| 06:51.03 | OS-59788 | no |
| 06:51.10 | annadane | *shrug* |
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| 06:57.21 | McErroneous | Hi, how do i share a folder in samba..., an easy to follow guide for cli prompt ? |
| 06:57.45 | McErroneous | smbtree //Mini-PC/ does not show the desired folders... |
| 06:58.40 | McErroneous | i changed "path" in /etc/samba/smb.conf, and restarted Daemon... |
| 06:58.47 | McErroneous | but still... |
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| 06:59.53 | McErroneous | i try to access a folder from buster to squeeze-server. |
| 07:00.04 | McErroneous | buster-client that is.. |
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| 08:21.36 | kailo | Hello, I'm on an old N3060 chromebook with a stripped down debian/galliumos install. Only has 16GB SSD which is running out fast, so I'm thinking to mount a 400gb micro sd card at /home. Has anyone else here ran a similar setup of using an sd card for /home? |
| 08:22.03 | kailo | Thinking to use exfat to limit corruption potential and minimize unnecessary writes |
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| 08:24.04 | quadrathoch2 | kailo, I would rather use ext4 without journaling imho |
| 08:24.37 | kailo | improved performance with that route? |
| 08:25.12 | quadrathoch2 | nah, but you would have less issues than with exfat, or you go the route of using f2fs |
| 08:25.25 | quadrathoch2 | as it is designed for flash storage |
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| 08:31.18 | kailo | gotcha, thanks for the advice |
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| 09:13.04 | at0m | kailo: also, on SD cards, mount options noatime nodiratime do not make a write for every read |
| 09:13.31 | at0m | well, on other media, too, but SD cards especially are limited in amount of writes |
| 09:14.01 | at0m | or, you could move the journal to another (physical) disk |
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| 09:34.55 | ubulix | hello how can I create a bootable usb in linux mint |
| 09:35.56 | jsync2 | ubulix, a bootable USB for Debian? |
| 09:36.00 | diogenes_ | ubulix, sudo cp debian.iso /dev/sdx |
| 09:36.25 | ubulix | does it need |
| 09:36.34 | ubulix | the distro i mean |
| 09:36.41 | ubulix | already on the usb ? |
| 09:36.49 | ubulix | when I type the command ? |
| 09:37.16 | diogenes_ | ubulix, what you trying to do? |
| 09:37.34 | ubulix | i try to install linux on a old machine |
| 09:37.41 | ubulix | try with kali didnt worked |
| 09:37.57 | ubulix | since some time I am using mint on one machine |
| 09:38.19 | ubulix | but still new in Linux |
| 09:38.55 | ubulix | I used Windows for probably 25 years 3.11 |
| 09:39.01 | ubulix | and so used to it |
| 09:39.20 | diogenes_ | ubulix, do you want to try Debian? |
| 09:39.25 | ubulix | that now it is a bit of challenge how to operate with linux and all the distros |
| 09:39.36 | ubulix | isnt Mint a Debian distro ? |
| 09:39.57 | ratrace | !mint |
| 09:39.57 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 09:40.44 | ratrace | but if you wanna install and use debian, we're here to help :) |
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| 09:42.54 | ubulix | I am now researching on the net what distro is debian |
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| 09:43.03 | ubulix | and if I can operate it |
| 09:43.10 | ubulix | on that machine |
| 09:43.17 | ubulix | I want to install OS on |
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| 09:44.27 | ubulix | ok it will fit as I want to install it on an old Netbook |
| 09:44.51 | ubulix | system req are ok |
| 09:45.20 | ubulix | but is it possible to make a bootable debian USB under Mint ? |
| 09:45.38 | at0m | < diogenes_> ubulix, sudo cp debian.iso /dev/sdx |
| 09:45.59 | at0m | feel free to use what you like, but if you run mint, that has its own irc channel |
| 09:46.57 | diogenes_ | ubulix, if it's an old machine the you probably want a 32bit system so grab one from here: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.2.0-live+nonfree/i386/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 09:48.35 | diogenes_ | i'd suggest debian-live-10.2.0-i386-xfce+nonfree.iso |
| 09:48.42 | ubulix | Toshiba NB250-101 with atom processor |
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| 09:50.25 | ratrace | uh that thing is gonna be dog slow with modern software |
| 09:50.47 | ubulix | yeah |
| 09:50.49 | ubulix | :) |
| 09:50.51 | ubulix | it is slow |
| 09:51.15 | ratrace | is that Intel N455 CPU? |
| 09:51.23 | ubulix | but as some distros are for old machines |
| 09:51.46 | ratrace | ubulix: it's not about "distros for old machines". those don't exist. it's about which software you want to run on that. |
| 09:51.59 | ratrace | ubulix: but first, is that Intel N455 cpu? If yes, that's 64-bit, not 32-bit. |
| 09:52.05 | ratrace | second, how much RAM you have? |
| 09:52.11 | ubulix | 2 GB |
| 09:52.43 | ubulix | but not sure if it is N455 |
| 09:52.49 | ubulix | I formated the HDD |
| 09:52.54 | ratrace | right, so with that I'd recommend install Debian and something like XFCE or a pure WM if you're familiar with those. Avoid GNOME or KDE. |
| 09:52.55 | ubulix | and now I am stuck |
| 09:53.11 | ratrace | ubulix: how did you "format" the HDD? |
| 09:53.39 | ubulix | had a bootable kali linux usb |
| 09:54.04 | ubulix | but couldent install this distro there |
| 09:54.34 | ratrace | and now you want Debian? |
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| 09:55.03 | ubulix | looking for distro that will run on that old netbook |
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| 09:55.34 | ratrace | ubulix: so did you try installing debian? |
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| 09:55.44 | kailo | mint probably. xubuntu/debian is probably fine too |
| 09:55.58 | kailo | I run gallium os on a n3060 chromebook atm |
| 09:56.00 | HeXiLeD | go with mint or debian |
| 09:56.40 | ratrace | why mint over debian |
| 09:57.37 | HeXiLeD | if you are looking for a nice desktop with everything doe for you out of the box, mint is more of that than debian |
| 09:57.47 | HeXiLeD | if you want a server, go with debian. |
| 09:58.13 | HeXiLeD | if you want to have hands on building a desktop based on customization, go with debian |
| 09:58.24 | HeXiLeD | whatever you do... stay away from ubuntu |
| 09:59.16 | HeXiLeD | as for kali, unless you are into heavily into security, no point installing. |
| 09:59.42 | HeXiLeD | i have used all these OS'es and more |
| 10:01.21 | HeXiLeD | avoiding gnome or KDE is a good recommendation. Gnome has always been bloated and KDE went after the same at some point. xFce is a fair advice and for something really light for a computer with low resources, I would say fluxbox is great |
| 10:01.54 | ubulix | HeXiled: Thank u |
| 10:02.13 | HeXiLeD | so, if it was me, for that machine i would do debian with fluxbox but i like to tweet things since i am mostly a gentoo ricer :P |
| 10:02.18 | ubulix | I am amazed using mint on another old computer 6 months now |
| 10:02.23 | ratrace | doesn't mint have that stupid design flaw lacking security fixes out of the box? |
| 10:02.35 | HeXiLeD | mint a great choice for a fast install. |
| 10:03.10 | HeXiLeD | mind also encrypts your /home easily |
| 10:04.31 | ubulix | so it seems from the things you said the best choice for the machine and the experience I habe till now to go with mint |
| 10:05.46 | pheoxy | anyone used initramfs-dropbear for remote luks unlock? |
| 10:06.00 | HeXiLeD | yes,if you are not experienced, mint is the way to go to get an OS running fast |
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| 10:06.48 | HeXiLeD | I also find mint for laptops the best option |
| 10:06.48 | ratrace | pheoxy: yes |
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| 10:07.03 | ubulix | its Netbook |
| 10:07.07 | ubulix | even smaller |
| 10:07.15 | ubulix | than a laptop in size and resources |
| 10:07.26 | pheoxy | i keep getting denied after converting my keys from dropbear to openssh |
| 10:07.36 | HeXiLeD | ok. I have had (still have) a asus eeepc with debian and fluxbox. Mint should be fine. |
| 10:07.45 | ratrace | pheoxy: what's the exact message? |
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| 10:08.13 | HeXiLeD | ubulix: you could also look into DSL linux for low resource machine. |
| 10:08.31 | HeXiLeD | or maybe ... puppy linux. |
| 10:08.52 | pheoxy | using verbose it gets to certificate pub key and then says "permission denied" |
| 10:08.55 | ratrace | debian is perfectly fine for that machine. again, it's not about distro, it's about which software you'll run on that. |
| 10:09.01 | ratrace | infact, you can even run xubuntu. |
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| 10:09.08 | HeXiLeD | by the way I also tun gentoo on another eeepc for a server. |
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| 10:09.26 | ratrace | pheoxy: how did you install the key? |
| 10:09.34 | HeXiLeD | one can run whatever one wants. |
| 10:10.27 | pheoxy | through dropbear/authorised_keys file and then copying to .ssh on my client |
| 10:11.30 | at0m | pheoxy: that's not how to do it. you would ssh-keygen on client, then add client's id_rsa.pub to dropbear/authorised_keys |
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| 10:11.40 | pheoxy | i then reboot the server and try to ssh into it using the key |
| 10:11.42 | ratrace | pheoxy: eh copying what? usually it's the other way around, you create private+pub key pair on your client, then deliver the pubkey to the server |
| 10:11.47 | pheoxy | oh |
| 10:11.49 | at0m | ^^ |
| 10:12.54 | pheoxy | ratrace: thanks ill try again |
| 10:13.00 | at0m | pheoxy: so you have no clue on how ssh works, and want to remotely boot encrypted partition using ssh. courage =) |
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| 10:14.51 | HeXiLeD | indeed |
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| 10:15.49 | at0m | i wonder how $somekey got into dropbear/authorised_keys in the first placce |
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| 10:24.22 | pheoxy | at0m: prettu much, this happened to me with linux permissions ages ago. Just have to keep trying till it clicks |
| 10:25.36 | at0m | pheoxy: or ddg ssh howto, or read man pages. probably goes quicker than random trying. |
| 10:25.39 | acidtech | hello, if I want to install Ajenti on Debian, do I need to have a clean new version for it? |
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| 10:26.04 | at0m | acidtech: ajenti? |
| 10:26.18 | acidtech | https://github.com/ajenti/ajenti/ |
| 10:26.38 | at0m | acidtech: (and no, you don't need clean new versions to install anything) |
| 10:26.46 | ratrace | at0m: the user has to put it there, it doesn't grow automatically :) |
| 10:26.58 | pheoxy | at0m: i have been, brain damage from sport isn't fun ð |
| 10:27.18 | acidtech | thanks |
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| 10:27.51 | pheoxy | read it, do it, read it again, do it again until i get it |
| 10:28.32 | pheoxy | moving from ubuntu to debian for my homelab, just got to get it working on a vm first |
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| 10:30.43 | pheoxy | wait do i need to use dropbear on both machines? |
| 10:30.56 | ratrace | please be more specific |
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| 10:31.32 | jsync2 | pheoxy, you still need the reference material. More programmers should write programming guides. There's serious need for a good C Programming language guide. |
| 10:32.35 | pheoxy | so luks unlock by remote uses initramfs-dropbear, can i use openssh on the client? |
| 10:32.43 | ratrace | pheoxy: yes |
| 10:33.03 | ratrace | in fact, dropbear takes openssh public keys just fine, you only need to sync up host keys |
| 10:34.01 | jsync2 | A novel of a practical scope which tells people how to get a start in linux would be interesting. A novel that teaches basic things, like how to read & use man pages; reference material for basic CLI commands; etc. |
| 10:34.03 | pheoxy | and the server needs a pub.key converted from openssh to dropbear for the initramfs because they are incompatible? |
| 10:34.26 | ratrace | pheoxy: no. /etc/dropbear-initramfs/authorized_keys is a regular openssh pubkey format. |
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| 10:34.49 | ratrace | pheoxy: you do need to sync /etc/ssh/<host keys> with /etc/dropbear-initramfs/<host keys> |
| 10:35.03 | ratrace | pheoxy: for example with ECDSA, you'd run something like /usr/lib/dropbear/dropbearconvert openssh dropbear /etc/ssh/ssh_host_ecdsa_key /etc/dropbear-initramfs/dropbear_ecdsa_host_key |
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| 10:35.35 | ratrace | pheoxy: without that, your openssh client would yell and scream about invalid keys between ssh-ing to initramfs and ssh-ing to regular openssh-server |
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| 10:36.17 | f8e3 | how often does debian10 update packages? the appimage from teh devs github is 2.5 while the offical 'only 2.3 ? |
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| 10:36.41 | f8e3 | what are the cycles/freq. of these updates? |
| 10:36.41 | pheoxy | and the pubkey needs to be placed within etc/dropbear-initramfs/pub.key and authorized_keys file? or just a reference to the file? |
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| 10:37.19 | ratrace | f8e3: in general it doesn't. bugfixes are backported, if found important. on point releases, some programs might get bumped in version , if it's considered safe to do so, AND needed to fix a serious bug or security issue. |
| 10:37.37 | pheoxy | currently i have "no-port-forwarding,no-agent-forwarding,no-x11-forwarding,command="/bin/cryptroot-unlock" ssh-rsa dropbearkey" |
| 10:37.50 | Night_Elf | Hello. If I wanted to have two or more interfaces in a bonding setup, do I need the ifenslave utility? |
| 10:37.55 | ratrace | pheoxy: I don't know about "pub.key" file. The proper file for the pub key is /etc/dropbear-initramfs/authorized_keys and then you update-initramfs |
| 10:38.30 | pheoxy | so the actual text from the pub.key is in the /etc/dropbear-initramfs/authorized_keys file? |
| 10:38.54 | pheoxy | I thought thats what I had... I double check everythin |
| 10:38.54 | ratrace | pheoxy: the contents of your client-side ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub or however you named it, yes |
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| 10:39.15 | ratrace | pheoxy: it's the same as setting up regular key access for openssh-server |
| 10:40.20 | pheoxy | so if i remember right, "ssh root@MACHINE_IP -p PORT -i ~/.ssh/PRIVATE_KEY_FILE" is the correct way to connect then? |
| 10:40.35 | pheoxy | just have to make sure the pub key is correct |
| 10:40.47 | pheoxy | no need to convert from openssh |
| 10:41.25 | pheoxy | that command works when its started up with my other keys so it should |
| 10:41.32 | pheoxy | after unlock |
| 10:42.46 | pheoxy | does having "no-port-forwarding,no-agent-forwarding,no-x11-forwarding,command="/bin/cryptroot-unlock"" in front of the key affect it? |
| 10:43.14 | pheoxy | within the /etc/dropbear-initramfs/authorized_keys file? |
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| 10:45.10 | f8e3 | how to install SOURCE/bin/* SOURCE/include/* to -t DIRECTORY without twice sudo install and create the subdirs eg /bin/subdir/binfile onthego? |
| 10:45.16 | IniGit | hi, I have a dell insperion 15 5000 and the installer tells me that I'm missing some drivers. Some of them are wifi drivers. I do have no ethernet on this laptop. How do I get those drivers? |
| 10:45.26 | ratrace | pheoxy: I don't know but those options are irrelevant in this case |
| 10:45.45 | ratrace | pheoxy: but don't forget the host keys |
| 10:45.54 | f8e3 | currently i have: sudo install -v -m 0755 -o root -g root -t /usr/local/include mydir/include/* |
| 10:46.04 | IniGit | I cannot find some of the mentioned drivers on the internet |
| 10:46.20 | pheoxy | ill remove everything in front of it and just have the key |
| 10:46.34 | pheoxy | and then manually do the command |
| 10:46.46 | ratrace | pheoxy: indeed that'd be the best to start with, and then you can modify and enhance later. |
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| 10:47.34 | ratrace | pheoxy: and using cryptroot-unlock command is okay to start with, just keep in mind you're not limited to it, and you can supply whatever keyscript you want via crypttab, eg. to integrate with automation |
| 10:47.50 | pheoxy | was hoping it would just go through. my duckduckfu got me this far |
| 10:48.53 | pheoxy | that error from cryptsetup on update-initramfs -u annoys me with zfs though about missing root |
| 10:48.59 | pheoxy | swear i have ocd sometimes |
| 10:49.07 | ratrace | it annoys me too yeah |
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| 10:49.38 | ratrace | that's because it lacks fstab entry, iirc |
| 10:51.16 | pheoxy | would using a zfs fstab entry fix it with the zfs legacy mount? |
| 10:51.29 | ratrace | pheoxy: not sure you even can for root |
| 10:51.40 | pheoxy | hang on ill get this working first with ssh |
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| 10:52.27 | ratrace | you can go through /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/zfs and check if it supports legacy mounted root |
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| 10:54.00 | pheoxy | ill have a look because you can do "tank/test /mnt zfs defaults 1 2""zfs set -o mountpoint=legacy tank/test" |
| 10:54.16 | ratrace | but then I'm not sure it actually looks up fstab. I know it does need mtab, and unfortunately it needs all the mapper names exactly as configured. for example, if you're installing via chroot (and you are, for zfs root as there's no other way), then the mapper names must be exactly those you put in crypttab |
| 10:54.33 | pheoxy | this is why i love the linux ecosystem |
| 10:54.47 | ratrace | pheoxy: yes you can mount any random dataset legacy-way, I just am not sure about root itself |
| 10:55.28 | pheoxy | i think i tried it once and it worked, i think your right in that its a mtabb issue |
| 10:55.46 | ratrace | problem is initramfs-tools, it's rather dumb and needs live mounted everything to autodetect. too much assumption and doesn't rely on actual configuration. |
| 10:56.01 | pheoxy | zfs doesn't list legacy volumes within /dev the same as everyone else maybe? |
| 10:56.22 | pheoxy | yeh, either way it works though |
| 10:59.04 | f8e3 | when install vscode, is popular but not a debian pkg officail, why? |
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| 11:00.51 | ratrace | because nobody packaged it up. |
| 11:01.09 | ratrace | meanwhile you can alwyas install the snap |
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| 11:03.47 | f8e3 | ratrace do you recd snap? |
| 11:03.56 | ratrace | do I what? |
| 11:04.11 | f8e3 | recommend, or does it break debian somehow |
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| 11:04.45 | spacebug^ | IniGit: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi You probably need non-free firmware to get wifi working (depends on you hardware) |
| 11:04.52 | ratrace | I neither do or not recommend it, just stating the option exists. though if I was forced to use vscode, I'd probably use the snap, if there's no regular debian package of it,y es. |
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| 11:06.19 | ratrace | f8e3: snapd is supported on debian stable and thus is not breaking debian, per se. snaps are containerized and isolated from the rest of your system so their whole purpose is exactly to avoid breaking the host system with random software installations. |
| 11:06.26 | ratrace | there's also the other side of that coin, but meh. |
| 11:06.27 | f8e3 | ratrace you have choice of appImage or snap, what y choose? |
| 11:06.44 | f8e3 | eg https://keepassxc.org/download/#linux |
| 11:06.48 | ratrace | f8e3: snap |
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| 11:07.22 | spacebug^ | keepassxc is in debian repository alreday |
| 11:08.35 | ratrace | yeah keepassxc is nice, I use it too. regular apt installation |
| 11:09.01 | f8e3 | offical is already 2.5 vs 2.3 and major stuff on commit-history, thus the Q |
| 11:09.30 | spacebug^ | is there any _security_ update? Or just fancy stuff? |
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| 11:10.04 | f8e3 | my concern with snap would be: i cannot prevent autoupdates right? since checksums/sig/asc stuff has to be done there |
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| 11:11.50 | ratrace | f8e3: that'd be part of the other side of that coin. autoupdates which can mess your using of that snap at the moment of update, as well as no verification of snaps from the snapcraft.io store. anyone can upload anything and there already have been cases of malware. |
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| 11:15.28 | discordsucksirci | I did some research online and Debian is actually full of Russian and NSA programmers. Free must mean we collect your user data to make our freemium product even more free. |
| 11:17.31 | spacebug^ | discordsucksirci: do you have a Debian support question? |
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| 11:17.44 | f8e3 | discordsucksirci always post sources or gfy |
| 11:17.57 | discordsucksirci | Well, I use Debian, but no. It's not like I shitpost daily for the lulz. |
| 11:18.19 | f8e3 | ratrace intresting comparsion https://askubuntu.com/questions/866511/what-are-the-differences-between-snaps-appimage-flatpak-and-others |
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| 11:18.42 | f8e3 | what i am intrested in is sandboxing the binary |
| 11:18.50 | discordsucksirci | TempleOS has no issues. Public domain > GNU GPL |
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| 11:19.36 | ratrace | f8e3: vscode binarY? |
| 11:19.59 | discordsucksirci | GNU < BSD license |
| 11:20.17 | f8e3 | in general really, i guess snap boxes by default |
| 11:20.33 | discordsucksirci | VLC is broken under Debian 10. It turns into a zombie if it can't access the storage medium quickly enough. |
| 11:20.41 | discordsucksirci | mpv sucks. |
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| 11:22.29 | ratrace | f8e3: "snap boxes"? |
| 11:22.44 | discordsucksirci | You must trust RAID 1 with everything. Just cherry pick the data to hide any huge issues. |
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| 11:34.15 | f8e3 | ratrace mmh, either firejail + appimage, or trust the appimage, or use snap (has mandatory sandboxing |
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| 11:36.06 | ratrace | f8e3: personally I use only AppArmor and build profiles for programs I find most critical in that context |
| 11:38.32 | f8e3 | ratrace what profile procedure/wiki howot do you have for chromium? |
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| 11:38.57 | ratrace | f8e3: I build it myself. I run in complain mode, then sort through logs and feed that to aa-logprof |
| 11:39.20 | ratrace | then when it no longer complains, I flip it to enforce mode. then re-check for any additional failures on update |
| 11:39.44 | ratrace | though I no longer run chromium at all, so now I maintain only teh firefox profile |
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| 11:43.30 | jeff_septic | hi guys, do you know any way I can check airpods battery in linux ? |
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| 11:49.43 | f8e3 | ratrace: https://youtu.be/mVVP77jC8Fc?t=1019 great arg |
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| 11:51.35 | IniGit | lol my debian isntaller suggests installing debian on usb instead of my unallocated space on my ssd |
| 11:51.49 | IniGit | It does not even show the unallocated space |
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| 11:58.01 | ratrace | f8e3: that's why I love source based distros like gentoo. package management is really just recipes on how to fetch and build somethign directly from the developers. |
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| 12:03.54 | f8e3 | ratrace: what does this mean https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/app-admin/keepassxc (they have the latest version cool) |
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| 12:05.50 | ratrace | f8e3: that's a bit offtopic here, you can pop into #gentoo |
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| 12:10.27 | lembron | kinda crosspost - but might be debian10 related: i wrote a munin plugin that works just fine on a lot of hosts, now i got a new debian10 one, and something seems spooked, complainign about nonreadable dir - that said, when i "su nobody -s /bin/bash" i can test "-r" just fine on the path, same with "munin-run" --- but the regular munin run bails on that directory :( |
| 12:10.58 | lembron | its also not a /tmp dir or so (so systemd and its issolation "should" do nothing, should they...) |
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| 12:12.11 | ratrace | lembron: does munin run as nobody if a user is unspecified? |
| 12:13.39 | lembron | ratrace yep, and the statefile my plugin makes is also created correctly as "nobody" |
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| 12:15.47 | ratrace | lembron: and what's the permissions on that directory? any ACLs involved? |
| 12:16.46 | lembron | (ive added a "{ whoami; env; } >> calls.log" - and munin-run matches the regular calls there) |
| 12:17.45 | lembron | that dir itself is 777... - and the path "to it" is fine too all 755 and up |
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| 12:26.01 | ksk | !777 |
| 12:26.01 | dpkg | 777 is the mode corresponding to -rwxrwxrwx and is NEVER the right answer to your permission "problems". Anyone on your box (whether welcome or not) can do anything they want with those directories and files. It is VERY WRONG... learn how to use the permissions properly instead of leaving a gaping security hole to make something work in a hurry. Ask me about <user private groups>, <permissions>, <ftp must die>. |
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| 12:30.03 | lembron | well, thats interesting "d--------- 2 root root 40 Jan 22 00:12 home" |
| 12:30.13 | ratrace | ohlol |
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| 12:31.10 | ratrace | secure like a boss :) |
| 12:31.36 | lembron | su nobody -s /bin/bash -c 'ls -la /home' gives "drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Jan 20 07:14 home" |
| 12:31.56 | lembron | yet munin itself only sees ""d--------- 2 root root 40 Jan 22 00:12 home"" -- who or what "does that"? |
| 12:32.26 | ratrace | lembron: any containers, dockers, namespaces there to mess things up? |
| 12:32.46 | lembron | nothing, plain debian10 on a dedicated server |
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| 12:33.13 | ratrace | lembron: munin service unit altered to include namespacing? |
| 12:33.47 | ratrace | munin-node.service I mean |
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| 12:34.07 | lembron | that be a systemd thing hm? anything keword specific to look for in its unitfiles? |
| 12:34.21 | ksk | !000 |
| 12:34.23 | ksk | mhhhm ;) |
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| 12:34.44 | lembron | "ProtectHome=true" well well... |
| 12:34.54 | ratrace | yeppers |
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| 12:38.47 | lembron | munin-mailinglist seems to suggest setting it to read-only... but that feels kinda mew :/ |
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| 12:41.18 | ratrace | lembron: munin node is a very overarching and permissions greedy tool. confining it THAT much is a bit pointless and a churn. but then you can always finegrain what it can or cannot do with an AppArmor profile |
| 12:41.34 | ratrace | (mind you, I love munin and that's my tool of choice for server monitoring) |
| 12:42.19 | ratrace | and I do run it with ProtectSystem=strict with ReadWritePaths=/var/lib/munin-node /var/log/munin /run/munin so at least it can't write randomly. |
| 12:43.28 | lembron | the ML thread is mostly about "df" plugin getting kinda broky from it missing half the system.... |
| 12:43.55 | lembron | for my usecase i guess technically i shall just move the directory soemwhere in /lib or so and call it a day i guess... |
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| 12:57.54 | ChrisH | I am just showing debian to new users and was asked: How to edit sources.list in graphical way. On my stretch system I found apper is able to do that, but on the new users Buster, apper hangs while asking for the passwords. Are there any other GUI applications to edit sources.list? I found nothing so far. |
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| 13:12.28 | ratrace | ChrisH: under gnome, for example, you should be able to open files with admin:///path/to/file URLs -- I think that works int he file manager too |
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| 13:20.27 | b1ack0p | hi |
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| 13:39.56 | ChrisH | ratrace: we switched to add-apt-repository never used graphical APT frontends till today.... and will not in future. CLI was fine for the past 20+ years |
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| 13:41.42 | moonchildxq | hi |
| 13:43.17 | f8e3 | i look at https://www.giuspen.com/cherrytree/ and no buster due: python-gtksourceview2 drpped, what to do? donwload source and do an appimage is simplest? |
| 13:43.48 | ratrace | ChrisH: I wholeheartedly agree |
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| 13:55.19 | f8e3 | i look at https://tracker.debian.org/news/1091687/removed-2101-3-from-unstable/ and see reason for removal: "RoQA; python2-only; deprecated; no rdeps (cherrytree just filed for RM)", can i install it on buster without breaking things then? |
| 13:56.17 | f8e3 | what does RoQA mean |
| 13:56.45 | ratrace | Requested by the QA team |
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| 14:13.26 | Bushmaster | hello folks, seeking some advice, I installed and set up minidlna server and linked it with my external hard drive to play all my movies, problem is everytime I add new movies into my hard drive, minidlna does not update the list even after serivice and restart command |
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| 14:15.07 | leishten | That's a *lot*. |
| 14:15.36 | leishten | I guess it makes sense though. |
| 14:16.15 | Bushmaster | leishten, do you know how to solve this issue? |
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| 14:18.15 | leishten | escape. As quickly as possible. |
| 14:18.22 | leishten | Prolly gonna steal the car |
| 14:19.38 | ratrace | chatbot |
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| 14:30.45 | leishten | _get me the fuck out of there_ |
| 14:30.57 | leishten | Im not a chatbot |
| 14:31.14 | ratrace | pass the turing test then please. |
| 14:31.20 | leishten | ok |
| 14:31.28 | leishten | want me to use control codes or something? |
| 14:31.37 | leishten | im human |
| 14:31.39 | leishten | I have a pulse |
| 14:32.45 | ratrace | EM pulse? |
| 14:32.51 | leishten | heart beat |
| 14:33.23 | leishten | the turing test is a shitty way of determining person vs. bot anyway |
| 14:33.44 | leishten | regardless of that, you dont know me and i dont know you but there is a very serious situation taking place that i dont really have time to explain, but essentially I need your help |
| 14:34.05 | leishten | I have less than 3 and a half hours to get a very long distance away from where I am now, my life depends on it |
| 14:34.29 | leishten | potentially more lives than just mine |
| 14:34.30 | annadane | has no idea what's going on |
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| 14:35.03 | digdilem | so your first thought was to turn to irc and a channel about a linux distro. right.... |
| 14:35.16 | ratrace | annadane: a chatbot is being trained/tested in the field. |
| 14:35.17 | digdilem | dunno about everyone else, but i'm convinced |
| 14:35.35 | leishten | free and open source software community has more of the brightest minds than anywhere else on the planet, doing something with their time for free |
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| 14:35.54 | ratrace | call an uber. there, supported. !next |
| 14:35.59 | leishten | if you all weren't so pedantic and classist, anyway :P |
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| 14:36.46 | leishten | hah |
| 14:36.49 | leishten | starting to make sense now |
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| 14:37.23 | lembron | im down to help, pm you your creditcard and the number on the back of it and ill get you sorted out =) |
| 14:37.31 | ratrace | lol |
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| 14:37.56 | leishten | :o |
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| 14:38.47 | leishten | question: does a "square wave" exist? |
| 14:39.58 | leishten | What i mean when I ask that question is this with (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_wave#/media/File:Waveforms.svg) object 2 being the kind of wave I'm talking about |
| 14:40.10 | ratrace | employs a 1Hz square wave on his timer, counting down to offtopicity warnings |
| 14:40.46 | leishten | all waves are going to be curved no matter what, the fact that they look square or not should have to do with sampling rate of the measuring device, right?> |
| 14:41.11 | leishten | No matter how fast the switch is, if you look close enough it still has curvy corners |
| 14:41.21 | leishten | ^ that, thanks. |
| 14:41.24 | leishten | I get it now. |
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| 14:45.40 | leishten | In that picture can someone tell me which of those waves is not like the other? |
| 14:45.47 | leishten | The "sawtooth" wave form. |
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| 14:46.31 | leishten | Notice that all of the others have a kind of a natural rebounding regular symmetry to them. |
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| 14:46.49 | leishten | Wave, square wave, triangle wave, and then there's the "sawtooth" wave form. What the fuck is that? |
| 14:46.56 | ratrace | leishten: do you need support with Debian? otherwise there's plenty of banter channels on Freenode... |
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| 14:47.34 | leishten | A better question is why does all of the information that I access, including from hardcover books, have to be equally tainted>? |
| 14:48.38 | leishten | And what does that have to do with the name of a company I used to be associated with? |
| 14:48.50 | Urchin | leishten: listen to the waveforms, you'll figure it out |
| 14:49.15 | leishten | gotta go, ciao |
| 14:49.41 | ratrace | uber arrived. |
| 14:52.58 | IniGit | what could be the problem when my unallocated space is not found? My disk in basic not dynamic and gpt |
| 14:53.00 | IniGit | ? |
| 14:54.48 | ratrace | IniGit: can you give a concrete example? command you ran, output you got, output you expected? |
| 14:55.27 | IniGit | I ran the graphical installer |
| 14:55.41 | ratrace | and? |
| 14:55.46 | IniGit | at the screen where I shoudl partition I do not see my unallocated space |
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| 14:56.19 | IniGit | I only see 1MB ffree space |
| 14:56.27 | ratrace | IniGit: are there other partitions using it all up? |
| 14:58.38 | dob1 | I have to execute several commands on a cronjob (bash or python scripts) it's better a cron line with command1 && command2 && .... or create a script that execute all the commands one by one? |
| 14:58.39 | IniGit | ratrace: No, 128gb are unallocated |
| 14:58.50 | IniGit | I checked that in windows disk management |
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| 14:59.45 | ratrace | IniGit: can you perchance take a screenshot of the installer where you expect but don't see unallocated space, and upload it to, say, imgur? |
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| 15:06.34 | IniGit | ratrace: Not at the moment I plugged in an ubuntu installer usb and it saw the space and now I'm already installing |
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| 15:30.54 | annadane | just out of curiosity does xfce in debian stable have support for gtk3 at all? |
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| 15:32.43 | quadrathoch2 | annadane, no, as the first version is 4.14 and buster has 4.12 |
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| 15:33.10 | quadrathoch2 | annadane, as in. it doesn't use gtk3, not sure what you mean by support |
| 15:33.19 | annadane | well, use |
| 15:33.28 | quadrathoch2 | no, 4.14 is the first then |
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| 15:44.54 | nvz | it would seem thats not /entirely/ true |
| 15:45.56 | quadrathoch2 | i mean, if you would like to have the few portions on gtk3 and be fine with it *shrug* |
| 15:45.58 | nvz | ,depends xfce4-terminal |
| 15:45.59 | judd | Package xfce4-terminal in buster/amd64 -- depends: exo-utils, libc6 (>= 2.4), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.37.3), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.21.5), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libutempter0 (>= 1.1.5), libvte-2.91-0 (>= 0.51.90), libx11-6, libxfce4ui-2-0 (>= 4.11.0), libxfce4util7 (>= 4.9.0). |
| 15:46.16 | nvz | the terminal is gtk3 :P |
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| 16:47.52 | giaco | hello |
| 16:48.25 | derpadmin | hey |
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| 16:50.00 | wwilliam | hello if I have a debian paste bin url how do i just curl the code or whatever they paste in the pastebin? |
| 16:50.16 | joepublic | no. |
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| 16:50.41 | wwilliam | curl what option here? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/72216dd9/ |
| 16:51.06 | joepublic | no. |
| 16:51.25 | joepublic | curl gets you the page. not a certain snippet of it. |
| 16:51.45 | wwilliam | ah OK Thank you. |
| 16:52.21 | joepublic | sorry :) |
| 16:52.38 | wwilliam | Its ok thank you for answering. |
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| 16:53.39 | joepublic | you could write a program in your favorite language to parse the output, and get everything within the second <pre></pre>, omitting the first <span></span>, but that's probably nontrivial |
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| 16:54.06 | wwilliam | in bash could be? |
| 16:55.13 | tds | wwilliam: you can use eg https://paste.debian.net/plainh/72216dd9 |
| 16:55.13 | joepublic | Probably, but I am not sure how you would handle the multiline aspect. html parsing is best done by software that understands html. |
| 16:55.26 | tds | (for non hidden, it's just /plain/id) |
| 16:55.37 | f8e3 | anyone tried snap, pretty cool |
| 16:55.54 | joepublic | tds: thanks, didn't know, I am all doom and gloom and you have the answer |
| 16:56.17 | joepublic | f8e3, not everyone would agree that snap is pretty cool, but it can be effective and save work in many cases. |
| 16:57.00 | f8e3 | forced: some stuff got deprecated reQA, dev did snap, now avail buster, cool |
| 16:57.26 | annadane | you can't parse html with regex, he comes, the pony |
| 16:57.51 | wwilliam | Thank you tds. |
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| 16:58.36 | tds | oh wow, TIL, it has a full rpc interface as well http://paste.debian.net/rpc-interface.html |
| 17:00.09 | jelly | wwilliam: see that "Show as text" link on the page? https://paste.debian.net/plainh/72216dd9 |
| 17:00.26 | jelly | slow |
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| 17:01.25 | wwilliam | Thank you jelly |
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| 17:27.19 | CrazyTux | hi.. |
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| 17:27.36 | CrazyTux | how can I get the ban placed on me removed? |
| 17:28.04 | CrazyTux | I am restricted on #ubuntu. |
| 17:28.50 | letty | is #ubuntu based on #debian? :p |
| 17:29.12 | jelly | CrazyTux: see if there's an #ubuntu-ops channel, or use ChanServ to figure out who the ops are. |
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| 17:30.03 | CrazyTux | jelly, thanks |
| 17:30.05 | jelly | letty: it's really not, I don't think there's even any overlap between channel operators |
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| 17:31.51 | CrazyTux | is there any version of debian without systemd? |
| 17:32.25 | quadrathoch2 | CrazyTux, for that you need to look for the distro devuan |
| 17:33.13 | jelly | Devuan is a derivative, there's no actual Debian without any bits of systemd, but you can still run Debian 10 with sysvinit and only some pieces of systemd. |
| 17:33.14 | CrazyTux | quadrathoch2, does systemd have any advatage over other init systems? or others have any over systemd? |
| 17:34.04 | CrazyTux | could systemd or any other init system have any impact on battery life on laptops? |
| 17:34.05 | quadrathoch2 | CrazyTux, you would need to look into it, I just use systemd, as I have 4 different distros in use, so all of them use the same base :) |
| 17:34.16 | quadrathoch2 | CrazyTux, not as I know off |
| 17:34.18 | quadrathoch2 | -f |
| 17:34.29 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 17:35.04 | CrazyTux | whad has a major influence on the battery life? |
| 17:35.16 | jelly | unless it's really buggy, it's unlikely systemd or its components will have a major effect on power usage |
| 17:36.17 | quadrathoch2 | CrazyTux, you would need to look into powertop or tlp |
| 17:36.43 | CrazyTux | jelly, please elaborate on it. What do you mean by "unless it's really buggy"? |
| 17:37.31 | jelly | CrazyTux: in general, a piece of software can be buggy and consume more cpu or gpu resources than required. |
| 17:37.43 | jelly | that in turn increases power usage. |
| 17:37.52 | CrazyTux | jelly, ok |
| 17:38.44 | CrazyTux | how to diagnose problems with laptop's battery? |
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| 17:39.08 | CrazyTux | or some package leading to excess power consumption? |
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| 17:39.30 | giaco | how safe is installing libc6 from testing on a stable system? |
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| 17:39.49 | quadrathoch2 | giaco, not great, as you will break something probably |
| 17:40.17 | jelly | giaco: you will lose access to any security updates for libc6 from that point on. |
| 17:40.38 | CrazyTux | how stable and bugfree are distros based on debian stable? |
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| 17:40.58 | jelly | CrazyTux: you'd have to ask users of each of those. |
| 17:41.09 | CrazyTux | can we expect the same level of bugfreeness on those too? |
| 17:41.14 | jelly | CrazyTux: you'd have to ask users of each of those. |
| 17:41.17 | CrazyTux | jelly, ok |
| 17:41.53 | giaco | I need gstreamer 1.16 from testing as stable has 1.14 that has bugs |
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| 17:41.58 | CrazyTux | can we generate any data regarding the power consumption pattern and about battery health? any command to do that? |
| 17:42.11 | jelly | giaco: make a backport build. |
| 17:42.30 | giaco | bug apt-get -t testing wants libc6 |
| 17:42.53 | quadrathoch2 | CrazyTux, as I wrote earlier, look into powertop or tlp |
| 17:43.11 | CrazyTux | quadrathoch2, ok |
| 17:43.31 | jelly | giaco: mixing a newer release binary repos and packages into stable is not a good idea, and usually results in anunsupportable mess. |
| 17:44.01 | giaco | jelly: thanks |
| 17:44.42 | jelly | giaco: don't do that. If you need a newer version, make a build from source, and build it on the release you have installed, using build dependencies from the release you have installed. This process is called "backporting" and the results "backports" |
| 17:44.49 | jelly | !ssb |
| 17:44.50 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 17:44.56 | jelly | !debian-backports |
| 17:44.56 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <buster backports>) and oldstable (<stretch backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
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| 17:45.55 | giaco | sadly I'm on a debian varian, not debian, that doesn't have backports, so I have to build myself (and sadly gstreamer is huge) |
| 17:47.36 | quadrathoch2 | giaco, maybe you should look into if they support some combination of stable and testing? idk |
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| 17:48.06 | nastep | oin #haiku-pl |
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| 17:48.54 | giaco | quadrathoch2: yes, probably. Btw it raspbian on arm6 raspberry |
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| 17:49.14 | quadrathoch2 | giaco, oh, yeah they don't support that |
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| 17:49.48 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 17:49.48 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. https://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 17:50.51 | quadrathoch2 | jelly, why are you even mentioning it, if both of us know that debian is not raspbian or the other way around |
| 17:51.00 | jelly | giaco: I have no idea how hard it is to crosscompile for your architecture and distro, the people actually using the same distro might know. |
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| 17:52.30 | jelly | quadrathoch2: asier to call the bot than look up and type in manually the better, correct places to get help |
| 17:52.35 | giaco | jelly: I already have a crosscompilation setup (nspawn + binfmt + qemu-static) and it works quite well. Problem is that gstreamer is not a package, but is libgstreamer1.0-0 gstreamer1.0-plugins-base gstreamer1.0-plugins-good gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly gstreamer1.0-libav gstreamer1.0-doc gstreamer1.0-tools gstreamer1.0-x gstreamer1.0-alsa gstreamer1.0-gl gstreamer1.0-gtk3 |
| 17:52.37 | giaco | gstreamer1.0-qt5 gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio |
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| 17:53.31 | jelly | that's just a dozen binary packages built from the same source package. Backporting is still the same process. |
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| 17:54.59 | adikt | steak is great guys |
| 17:55.01 | adikt | debian is too |
| 17:55.09 | adikt | but steak maybe better |
| 17:55.35 | giaco | jelly: maybe I'm overstimating the process of manual backport. Is this the correct guide? https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
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| 17:56.41 | jelly | giaco: that's about it |
| 17:58.49 | jelly | if you already have a chroot, er, nspawn container with desired arch and distro release, just do everything from ssb in there |
| 17:59.07 | jelly | !ssb |
| 17:59.08 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 17:59.32 | giaco | jelly: exactly, I'm resetting the container as I installed packages from testing there |
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| 18:03.19 | giaco | jelly: but now I've a question. If apt-get install -t testing <gst-stuff> requires libc6 from testing, wouldn't backport it break it anyway= |
| 18:03.22 | giaco | ? |
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| 18:06.34 | jelly | giaco: you don't apt-get install -t testing anything with backports. Let's continue in #raspberrypi |
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| 18:14.48 | Bushmaster | folks, i am seeking some consultation on networking |
| 18:15.11 | quadrathoch2 | just ask away Bushmaster |
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| 18:16.15 | Bushmaster | thanks quadrathoch2 it may appear mundane but please bear with me |
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| 18:16.59 | jelly | Bushmaster: and please be running Debian on at least one endpoint |
| 18:17.27 | Bushmaster | i see a large CPU, calls Server Machine, I then see many other work station with its individual CPU Desktop connected to it. So what these other CPUs are doing in relation to Server CPU? |
| 18:17.48 | Bushmaster | oh jelly is around |
| 18:17.53 | Bushmaster | hi jelly |
| 18:19.15 | jelly | that question does not make much sense at all (and also I find it hard to parse as English language), is there some context, can you be more specific? |
| 18:20.11 | jelly | what tool do you "see" things with? |
| 18:20.13 | jelly | !ask |
| 18:20.14 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 18:22.00 | Bushmaster | jelly, thanks a lot dude, I must have been typing Chinese |
| 18:25.12 | jelly | <Bushmaster> i see a large CPU, calls Server Machine, I then see many other work station with its individual CPU Desktop connected to it. So what these other CPUs are doing in relation to Server CPU? |
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| 18:26.21 | Bushmaster | yes, jelly my humble apology for typing Chinese |
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| 18:27.15 | jelly | it doesn't _look_ Mandarin, it looks like somewhat broken (machine translated?) English |
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| 18:28.11 | skraaj | Folks, anyone familiar with fail2ban? When active (default conf) it blocks incoming email on home server (postfix/dovecot - latest buster), but the amount of brute-force tries makes me not want to leave a server without it (I'm amazed at the amount of tries on a server that was never advertised anywhere :|) |
| 18:28.38 | vetru | fail2ban user here... |
| 18:28.56 | Bushmaster | and I have never been to Grammar School at Stanford either, My Dad dug holes to make money and I ended up walking in mine field while reading books by street lamp you see jelly |
| 18:29.05 | vetru | Your filter could be catching all log lines and banning everything. |
| 18:29.07 | vetru | skraaj: |
| 18:29.35 | jelly | Bushmaster: English is my third language and we also had a civil war. No excuse! |
| 18:29.45 | quadrathoch2 | Bushmaster, well try to word it differently? as I also didn't understand what you are trying to say |
| 18:30.11 | Bushmaster | no problems dudes, I apologize I asked |
| 18:30.21 | jelly | just rephrase. |
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| 18:31.31 | Bushmaster | I am Kewl, call it Ducky Mandarin |
| 18:32.56 | jelly | ð¦ð ? and maybe ask in ##networking if it's about networking in general |
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| 18:37.04 | Bushmaster | dude, i will get my answers, you relax |
| 18:37.47 | Bushmaster | not everyone get right into language dogma |
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| 18:46.24 | InvisibleRasta | hello guys, i just downloaded the net isntall iso to install debian on a virtual box but the network dont work |
| 18:46.36 | InvisibleRasta | its set to NAT as all my linux install.. and they all work out the bo |
| 18:46.40 | InvisibleRasta | box |
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| 18:47.30 | Scribus | InvisibleRasta: if you configure virtualbox to use nat, then the host operating system needs to provide that |
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| 18:47.47 | Scribus | bridging on virtualbox is easier |
| 18:48.15 | InvisibleRasta | si i should set it to bridge? |
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| 18:48.27 | Scribus | thats what i would do |
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| 18:48.47 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: does network on other linux distros as guests inside vbox Just Work? |
| 18:48.49 | InvisibleRasta | ok so i put in the options bridged mode and thats it? |
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| 18:48.58 | InvisibleRasta | jelly yes |
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| 18:49.11 | InvisibleRasta | all livecds and also install just work out of the box in NAT mode |
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| 18:49.25 | Scribus | then forget what i said :) |
| 18:49.29 | jelly | then it ought to work on debian as well. Which network card does vbox emulate? |
| 18:50.05 | InvisibleRasta | its set on NAT as all of my other virtualbox installs |
| 18:50.26 | InvisibleRasta | i guess the debian netinstall image is missing something |
| 18:50.48 | InvisibleRasta | i cant ping google or anything... network is just off |
| 18:50.53 | InvisibleRasta | after booting the iso |
| 18:51.00 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: did you install a desktop enviroment, or just base system, or something else? |
| 18:51.36 | jelly | or you have not installed anything yet because network fails in the installer? |
| 18:52.00 | InvisibleRasta | network fails on debian netinstall ISO |
| 18:52.19 | InvisibleRasta | i cant isntall cause there is no network |
| 18:52.22 | jelly | does it say it's trying dhcp? |
| 18:52.39 | InvisibleRasta | and its strange cause i jsut tried with MXlinux and archlinux and both iso's have network out of the box |
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| 18:53.00 | InvisibleRasta | im not sure cause i picked graphical isntall.. then i went to tty and tried ping google... but nothing |
| 18:53.22 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: which step of the installer are you stuck on |
| 18:53.50 | InvisibleRasta | the one where its supposed to connect to the internet |
| 18:53.55 | InvisibleRasta | but there is no connection |
| 18:54.02 | InvisibleRasta | i think where it starts dowloading packages |
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| 18:54.47 | InvisibleRasta | but yeah... even if i load graphical installer and then go to tty... i should have netwok access |
| 18:54.49 | InvisibleRasta | but i dont |
| 18:54.57 | InvisibleRasta | so of course the installer doesnt work |
| 18:55.03 | InvisibleRasta | there is no connection... |
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| 18:57.54 | InvisibleRasta | jelly i am not sure what to try anymore |
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| 18:58.48 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: what does "ip a" say when you run it in shell on Ctrl-Alt-F2 (or was it F3, I don't remember) |
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| 18:59.04 | jelly | !paste |
| 18:59.04 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 18:59.12 | InvisibleRasta | doesnt show any interface jelly |
| 18:59.20 | InvisibleRasta | it hsould be... but it is not |
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| 18:59.46 | InvisibleRasta | i think maybe the netinstall iso doesnt have the networking tools/firmwares |
| 18:59.48 | InvisibleRasta | needed |
| 18:59.52 | InvisibleRasta | for openbox |
| 18:59.59 | InvisibleRasta | i mean virtualbox |
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| 19:01.11 | InvisibleRasta | its weird cause if i type lspci i can see the ethernet controller |
| 19:01.13 | towo` | InvisibleRasta, maybe your nic needs firmware |
| 19:01.30 | InvisibleRasta | how do i get the firmware for it? |
| 19:02.03 | towo` | easyest way, use the unofficial non-free firmware instaööer |
| 19:02.14 | towo` | *installer |
| 19:02.34 | towo` | for installing, it comes with the non-free firmwares |
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| 19:03.57 | InvisibleRasta | there is a different netinstall iso for that? |
| 19:04.00 | InvisibleRasta | where do i get it |
| 19:04.05 | InvisibleRasta | offical repo doesnt even talk about it |
| 19:04.26 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: pastebin "ip l" then |
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| 19:04.50 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: and "lspci -nn" output, too, if you can get it |
| 19:05.00 | tds | InvisibleRasta: if you go to the network section of your vm's config, then what's the adapter type under advanced? |
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| 19:06.47 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: also, do you happen to know exactly which installer .iso image you're using, URL? |
| 19:06.55 | InvisibleRasta | jelly https://i.postimg.cc/Y2Wdky2J/Cattura.png |
| 19:07.11 | InvisibleRasta | jelly https://i.postimg.cc/dtc40mLD/Cattussra.png |
| 19:07.33 | InvisibleRasta | latest iso from official site debian-10.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 19:07.42 | jelly | e1000 ought to Just Work⢠|
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| 19:08.38 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: "ip link show", then |
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| 19:09.21 | jelly | ,v icedove |
| 19:09.22 | judd | Package: icedove on amd64 -- jessie: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; jessie: 1:52.8.0-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:52.9.1-1~deb8u1; stretch: 1:52.9.1-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1:52.9.1-1~deb9u1; stretch: 1:60.8.0-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 1:60.9.0-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:60.9.0-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1:60.9.0-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 1:68.4.1-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: |
| 19:09.23 | judd | 1:68.4.1-1~deb9u1 |
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| 19:09.55 | InvisibleRasta | jelly https://i.postimg.cc/4x7dFtQb/Cattura.png |
| 19:11.05 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: so it appears kernel in that installer did not recognize the virtual ethernet card |
| 19:11.28 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: does "lsmod" output show e1000 ? |
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| 19:13.44 | jelly | it ought to. modinfo for 4.19.0-6-amd64 says it supports that [8086:100e] |
| 19:13.49 | jelly | alias: pci:v00008086d0000100Esv*sd*bc*sc*i* |
| 19:14.30 | jelly | maybe you can manually "modprobe e1000" and see if that makes a difference |
| 19:14.37 | InvisibleRasta | ok let me try |
| 19:15.00 | InvisibleRasta | module not found in directory /lib/modules/ |
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| 19:15.45 | jelly | that's weird. |
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| 19:16.21 | InvisibleRasta | where can i get netinstall iso with the firmware. like the guy said? |
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| 19:17.33 | f8e3 | how to srm -r foodir/ without rm the foodir? |
| 19:18.26 | f8e3 | && mkdir foodir is not option due links to foodir arr |
| 19:18.32 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: it's not firmware that is the problem here. |
| 19:18.49 | InvisibleRasta | jelly i dont understand whats wrong with this iso |
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| 19:19.02 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: can you dpkg -i /pool/main/l/linux-signed-amd64/nic-modules-4.19.0-6-amd64-di_4.19.67-2+deb10u1_amd64.udeb |
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| 19:19.11 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: and try modinfo again |
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| 19:19.33 | InvisibleRasta | jelly from the iso installer? |
| 19:19.38 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: yes. |
| 19:19.40 | slow_ | guys |
| 19:19.54 | slow_ | i have an iMac mid2011 |
| 19:20.15 | InvisibleRasta | dpkg not found |
| 19:20.15 | dpkg | no idea, InvisibleRasta |
| 19:20.23 | slow_ | is it possible to install debian on it? |
| 19:20.29 | InvisibleRasta | i guess its not in the path of the iso jelly |
| 19:20.57 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: I don't actually know how the installer code installs udeb packages, just hoped that would work |
| 19:21.19 | tds | hmm, does the installer switch roots at some point? |
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| 19:21.35 | slow_ | i've got some doubts about full compatibility(cool fan above all,wifi card above all) |
| 19:21.42 | tds | curiously I didn't have e1000 available when initially booting a buster netinst, but do once I get partway through |
| 19:22.10 | lastrodamo | Hi, I made a timer software with python3 and PyQt5 if you want to test it https://gitlab.com/lastrodamo/clocktimer |
| 19:23.00 | tds | oh I see, looks like it copies over a bunch extra from the cd - InvisibleRasta what stage in the installer are you at? |
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| 19:26.39 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: I suppose you can reboot and restart the install in expert mode, and then do the steps one by one and maybe we'll see where it fails at detecting the network card and loading its driver |
| 19:27.10 | jelly | tds: driver is in the aforementioned udeb |
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| 19:29.42 | InvisibleRasta | ok i am in exper mode |
| 19:29.53 | InvisibleRasta | dpkg not found |
| 19:29.53 | dpkg | InvisibleRasta: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 19:30.26 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: go through the installation steps, until network detection and set up |
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| 19:31.24 | InvisibleRasta | wtf |
| 19:31.37 | InvisibleRasta | jelly in expert mode network works out of the box |
| 19:31.51 | InvisibleRasta | makes me think something is wrong with the graphical installer |
| 19:31.53 | Bushmaster | I am seeking consultation in Linux driven networking |
| 19:31.53 | HaMsTeRs | greeting everyone! |
| 19:31.56 | InvisibleRasta | cause i didnt touch anything |
| 19:32.10 | Bushmaster | HaMsTeRs, Greetings |
| 19:32.37 | HaMsTeRs | i'm looking for a nice topbar replacement. I'm finding something pretty nice |
| 19:36.31 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: interesting. Well, you can continue from there if your goal is installing Debian. |
| 19:36.56 | InvisibleRasta | jelly yep thank you.. i wonder what was goign on |
| 19:37.19 | InvisibleRasta | jelly may i ask what De you are using on debian |
| 19:37.32 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: did you try booting the normal GUI installer more than once or just once? Could be a fluke |
| 19:37.49 | moonchildxq | anyone here using kali? |
| 19:38.30 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: you probably don't want to ask _me_ about DE. It's either xfce or kde (plasma?) these days, but I'm not married to either. |
| 19:38.35 | InvisibleRasta | jelly a dozen times i booted |
| 19:39.06 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: just for fun, does normal but text (not GUI) installer, also fail? |
| 19:39.24 | jelly | (it should behave pretty much exactly as the GUI installer) |
| 19:39.58 | jelly | moonchildxq: maybe, but people in #kali-linux probably do |
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| 19:40.18 | moonchildxq | they never answer :P |
| 19:41.48 | jelly | moonchildxq: if you can reproduce the same issue on actual Debian, you may ask here. Otherwise you'll be told that derivative distros make changes, that we don't know what those changes might be, and to ask in the right place yadda yadda |
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| 19:42.54 | f8e3 | just did: srm -lrv /home/user/.* (learning the hardway!) |
| 19:43.18 | jelly | judd: file bin/srm |
| 19:43.24 | judd | Search for bin/srm in buster/amd64: secure-delete: usr/bin/srm |
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| 19:44.46 | jelly | f8e3: don't tell us, this "srm" thing went on to match and delete /home/user/.. (that is, /home) ? |
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| 19:46.43 | f8e3 | went zombie.. |
| 19:47.10 | f8e3 | just tried to delete one folder INcluding the .* files in this folder not my entire homedir |
| 19:47.45 | f8e3 | np will use backup |
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| 19:52.22 | f8e3 | /home/user/delfolder/.* <- this thing escapes the delfolder! |
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| 19:55.10 | jelly | here's a hint: avoid globbing if possible. If you want to wipe contents of a whole directory, delete the whole directory (and recreate it later) |
| 19:55.55 | jelly | doing things with foo/* is prone to accidents |
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| 19:58.29 | jelly | eg. scripts that do things with "$foo"/* ... if foo ever becomes empty or unset |
| 19:59.19 | f8e3 | hehe |
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| 20:02.26 | Xatenev | hello, I installed fzf and iirc i should have a new reverse search and file finding in ctrl r and ctrl t respectively |
| 20:02.31 | Xatenev | but thats not the case, anyone has an idea what might be wrong? |
| 20:02.35 | Xatenev | am i missing bashrc entries? |
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| 20:04.10 | jelly | Xatenev: I don't know what fzf is, but if it integrates with your interactive shells it will probably only work with NEWLY started shells. Easiest thing to try is log off and log back on. |
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| 20:05.02 | Xatenev | jelly: yea ive done that |
| 20:05.15 | Xatenev | I think I am missing entries in my bashrc file that source configuration .bash files |
| 20:05.23 | Xatenev | but I wonder why it did not add them in the installation procdess |
| 20:05.24 | jelly | then try reading any debian-specific instructions |
| 20:05.32 | jelly | !README.Debian |
| 20:05.32 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
| 20:05.32 | Xatenev | I searched but i dont find any |
| 20:05.51 | Xatenev | jelly: heh thx |
| 20:05.53 | Xatenev | its written in there |
| 20:05.56 | Xatenev | i didnt know those files exist |
| 20:06.15 | jelly | also in the package Description: apt-cache show fzf |
| 20:06.16 | Xatenev | works now :) |
| 20:06.34 | Xatenev | jelly: that makes me think I should really read a linux book. |
| 20:07.06 | jelly | integration bits like these are often distro-specific |
| 20:07.18 | Xatenev | so maybe a debian book :P |
| 20:07.26 | jelly | !handbook |
| 20:07.26 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
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| 20:15.29 | Xatenev | jelly: do you know if ubuntu has those documents too? I'd guess it has as the package manager is the same? |
| 20:15.30 | Xatenev | (apt) |
| 20:15.39 | Xatenev | I mean the /usr/share/doc documents |
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| 20:18.25 | sponix | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 20:18.26 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u9; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u1; buster-proposed-updates: 4.19+105+deb10u2; buster-backports: 5.4.8-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.4.13-1; sid: 5.4.13-1; experimental: 5.5~rc5-1~exp1 |
| 20:19.04 | Night_Elf | Hello. Regarding network interface bonding... Around the internet, some say one needs ifenslave, some others say it is not needed anymore. Which is the truth ? |
| 20:21.05 | quadrathoch2 | Xatenev, I think you need to ask that in #ubuntu |
| 20:22.03 | Xatenev | quadrathoch2: true :) thanks. |
| 20:22.18 | tds | Night_Elf: if you want to bring up the bond with ifupdown, you'll need ifenslave for its hook scripts |
| 20:22.19 | tds | or ifupdown2 |
| 20:22.47 | tds | (that is, you need ifupdown + ifenslave, or just ifupdown2 on its own) |
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| 20:23.07 | Night_Elf | I think so. Most of the utilities and scripts and the experience around, is by using ifup and ifdown |
| 20:23.39 | Night_Elf | I see. So then it doesn't hurt having ifenslave. |
| 20:24.14 | jelly | tds: wasn't bonding integrated in ifupdown before debian 10 or 9 and using iproute now instead of ifenslave? |
| 20:24.29 | jelly | vlans, too |
| 20:24.46 | tds | vlans yep, but I can't see any bonding code in the copy I have here |
| 20:30.31 | quadrathoch2 | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 20:30.32 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u9; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u1; buster-proposed-updates: 4.19+105+deb10u2; buster-backports: 5.4.8-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.4.13-1; sid: 5.4.13-1; experimental: 5.5~rc5-1~exp1 |
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| 20:46.59 | vaio2 | can someone recommend a good remote desktop software solution? I'm quite concerned about security vulnerabilities |
| 20:47.43 | quadrathoch2 | vaio2, about what DE are we talking about? |
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| 20:48.14 | vaio2 | quadrathoch2, it's for a theoretical debian setup that is not currently in place.. but I'm guessing gnome3 or xfce |
| 20:48.18 | vaio2 | whatever is the most stable |
| 20:48.59 | quadrathoch2 | well, as gnome3 uses wayland as default and xfce xorg, there is a huge difference, that's why I am asking (you could still use gnome on x.org) |
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| 20:49.31 | JPT | In case you're concerned about security, no matter which remote desktop solution you choose, use SSH for remote access and tunnel your remote desktop port through there. |
| 20:49.41 | vaio2 | that's a good point |
| 20:50.03 | quadrathoch2 | that's the way to go with using ssh tunneling, so best thing is probably just ssh -X ^^ |
| 20:51.21 | JPT | Services that speak RDP or VNC and are accessible on the internet will sooner or later get unwanted attention. |
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| 20:51.58 | vaio2 | JPT, that's what I'm thinking |
| 20:52.02 | quadrathoch2 | JPT, well I would still recommending using at least a vpn, so you don't have to expose RDP |
| 20:52.11 | quadrathoch2 | if i would go that route |
| 20:52.24 | JPT | Tunneling through SSH should offer similar protection to a VPN |
| 20:52.31 | JPT | But that's up to you. |
| 20:52.58 | JPT | With that being said, i still have an old box that uses Xrdp or something similar |
| 20:53.19 | vaio2 | noted.. i'll look into these solutions, thanks |
| 20:53.28 | JPT | And then, there's also xvnc. |
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| 20:54.24 | JPT | Oh, err.. and (or if it's the same): x11vnc. |
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| 21:12.22 | Night_Elf | Once I bet a friend who claimed he could sniff all telnet traffic passing through a router and a switch. So I connected the two boxes in that lan through openvpn and telneted all I wanted. And then enjoied the beer |
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| 21:47.06 | f8e3 | when will virtualbox be avail again :( |
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| 21:50.15 | spacebug^ | working with qcow2 files, 'ls' reports the maximum size for the VM, but 'du' reports actual used size. How are those files treated by the system? If I were to write a C program that checked the file size what would that report etc? |
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| 21:58.17 | spacebug^ | f8e3: any particular reason you want virtualbox exactly? |
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| 22:03.45 | f8e3 | windows10 container |
| 22:04.23 | spacebug^ | it seems KVM should be able to run that also |
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| 22:06.37 | jaakkos | spacebug^: to begin with, what a C program would report, would of course depend on what the C program actually does |
| 22:07.21 | jaakkos | spacebug^: how much space a file occupies on the backing storage is not (necessarily) the same as the 'size' of the file seen by applications looking at the file with regular API calls |
| 22:07.23 | spacebug^ | jaakkos: Yeah. I was thinking about 'fseek' or what ever that was called (long time since I did any coding) |
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| 22:08.13 | jaakkos | spacebug^: for example, if the file has long runs of zeroes, they can be recognized as holes in the file by the file system, making it a sparse file |
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| 22:10.00 | spacebug^ | hum |
| 22:10.20 | jaakkos | spacebug^: it's often interesting to take a look at a file with du -h and then du -h --apparent-size |
| 22:11.14 | jaakkos | spacebug^: in addition to holes, file systems can also eg. compress the file (zfs, btrfs, etc) |
| 22:11.51 | spacebug^ | I see. (This is on ext4 though) |
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| 22:12.05 | jaakkos | spacebug^: fseek() wouldn't normally know about any of this. The basic idea is that holes and compression are completely transparent unless the application *really* wants to know. |
| 22:14.30 | spacebug^ | thanks for clarifying |
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| 22:16.42 | jaakkos | Sparse files and compression are very nice but keep in mind that exploiting those can be hard if you need to actually move files between different file systems |
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| 22:17.26 | spacebug^ | ok |
| 22:17.27 | jaakkos | Like you can create a multi-terabyte virtual machine (truncate -s 2T) that in reality occupies very little space, but if you would need to copy that elsewhere, you might be looking to write terabytes of zeroes anyway |
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| 22:17.58 | jaakkos | (but things normally work fast as long as you move things around in the same file system) |
| 22:18.39 | spacebug^ | I'm only working with ext4 (at least so far, and at least for my VMs) |
| 22:19.26 | jaakkos | ext4 does sparse files but not compression |
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| 22:19.40 | spacebug^ | ok, good to know |
| 22:21.01 | spacebug^ | btw, can this be why I managed to do something like 'dd if=dev/zero of=/dev/my_usb_disk bs=1M count=1000' in about 0.5 sec? |
| 22:21.49 | jaakkos | Probably not |
| 22:22.01 | jaakkos | dd doesn't create sparse files by default |
| 22:22.05 | spacebug^ | ah ok |
| 22:22.20 | jaakkos | Instead, the writes will be cached to RAM |
| 22:22.34 | jaakkos | And dd will exit before the data will actually hit the disk. |
| 22:22.43 | spacebug^ | strange thing is I did 'sync' right after and it did nothing. |
| 22:23.01 | jaakkos | You can check with du -h, then du -h --apparent-size |
| 22:23.02 | spacebug^ | oh well, thats is a totally nother question |
| 22:23.14 | jaakkos | If there is a difference. But there shouldn't be. |
| 22:23.18 | spacebug^ | ok |
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| 22:23.52 | spacebug^ | thanks again |
| 22:24.01 | jaakkos | You're welcome |
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| 22:38.12 | embden | Will debian participate in Outreachy in upcoming round? |
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| 22:53.54 | digdilem | isn't that a discriminating organisation? |
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| 23:01.19 | ratrace | digdilem: how is it discriminating? |
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| 23:03.08 | nvz | embden: thats not on topic here, this is a support channel, join the OFTC network on irc.debian.org or irc.oftc.net and join #debian-outreach |
| 23:03.18 | nvz | see also https://lists.debian.org/debian-outreach/ |
| 23:04.39 | nvz | such a decision would be official business, this is no longer an official channel, and we are all volunteers supporting debian stable technical issues |
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| 23:18.26 | giaco | I am confused by how package pinning works |
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| 23:19.36 | giaco | I have both stable and testing deb repo in sources.list, but I have sources.prefs set to buster:900, bullseye:750 |
| 23:19.53 | giaco | I've performed dist-upgrade, and it moved many packages to bullseye |
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| 23:23.52 | spacebug^ | !pinning |
| 23:23.52 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at https://web.archive.org/web/20121017070250/http://carlo17.home.xs4all.nl/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 23:27.24 | giaco | spacebug^: I think my problem was the incorrect format of files in /eta/apt/preferences.d |
| 23:27.37 | spacebug^ | ok |
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| 23:27.49 | giaco | I had a preferences.prefs in it, but I see that apt-cache policy is not picking it |
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| 23:34.16 | embden | nvz: thank you |
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