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| 06:16.11 | nyov | themill: I don't know XFA, but have you tried pdftk? |
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| 06:18.38 | nyov | if you're comfortable with java code, you could try itext (libitext-java) and https://itextpdf.com/en/resources/examples/itext-7/xfa-examples https://itextpdf.com/en/resources/faq/technical-support/itext-7/how-fill-xfa-form-using-itext-without-breaking-usage-rights |
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| 06:23.05 | themill | nyov: pdftk can't do xfa |
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| 06:24.52 | themill | going to itext for this reminds me of "how you have 2 problems".... but I might have to consider it ;( |
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| 10:33.31 | Xalys | On Debian, when I have more than one interface in my interfaces file, 'networking' service always fails with "ifup: failed to bring up ens19" yet the interface seems to be getting brought |
| 10:33.35 | Xalys | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:37.22 | f8e3 | does debian have hardware 2auth (eg some opensource kind of yubikey thing) |
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| 10:37.33 | f8e3 | so that root/sudo password only if device plugged in |
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| 10:46.29 | rudi_s | Xalys: Run ifup manually with --verbose and see which commands are executed. "File exists" could happend when you try to configure the same address multiple times. |
| 10:46.47 | rudi_s | f8e3: Not out of the box, but you can use yubikey or similar for it with Debian. |
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| 10:48.15 | Xalys | rudi_s: that is a good suggestion. Let me try |
| 10:48.59 | Xalys | When I run, 'ifup ens19 --verbose', I see it is trying to add the interface's only IP that is already on that interface: |
| 10:49.01 | rudi_s | If the interface are already up, first stop them with ifdown; ifdown --all --force should work |
| 10:49.20 | Xalys | but this also happens at boot |
| 10:49.24 | rudi_s | Pastebin your network/interfaces so we can have a look. |
| 10:49.29 | Xalys | ok, sec |
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| 10:52.07 | f8e3 | rudi_s i am scared much of: keyloggers, they log all and acees all then, its horrible what todo (beside regular hygiene) |
| 10:52.08 | Xalys | rudi_s: https://pastebin.com/raw/9AWbTY04 |
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| 10:52.38 | f8e3 | what to google to know: if copy paste is effected etc |
| 10:52.53 | Xalys | What I have already tried: use 'allow-hotplug' instead of 'auto', only one 'auto' statement per interface. From there on I didn't raelly know how to debug it further. |
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| 10:56.07 | ratrace | Xalys: you have multiple gateways. there can be only one. |
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| 10:56.47 | ratrace | and pretty sure that set of dns-nameserver directives won't do what you think it does. |
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| 10:57.38 | Xalys | That confuses me. Why would it care about gateways belonging to other interfaces? |
| 10:58.28 | Xalys | As far as I know, nameservers set in 'dns-nameservers' are placed in /etc/resolv.conf. |
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| 10:59.17 | ratrace | Xalys: you can have only one gateway. a "gateway" is the default route, used when packet destination does not belong to the subnet of individual NICs |
| 10:59.43 | Xalys | ratrace: I see, that makes sense. |
| 11:00.11 | Xalys | Would an option be to use a post-up script that manually adds the route for secondary interfaces? |
| 11:00.19 | ratrace | as for dns, yes, they're all added to resolv.conf but tried in order. eg. as long as 173.233..... is responding, the others will never be queried |
| 11:00.35 | ratrace | Xalys: route for what? they're added automatically for their respective subnets |
| 11:01.10 | Xalys | ratrace: I am aware. That's why I have 'options rotate' set in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head. |
| 11:01.22 | ratrace | aight. |
| 11:01.52 | Xalys | ratrace: hmm, I don't understand that. How would 'it' know what the gateway is? |
| 11:02.02 | Xalys | I know next to nothing about networking, sorry. |
| 11:02.04 | ratrace | "it"? |
| 11:02.16 | Xalys | the networking daemon, I guess |
| 11:02.25 | ratrace | I think you're confusing a gateway here with "other side of the wire for that NIC" |
| 11:02.38 | ratrace | a gateway is literally default route. |
| 11:02.44 | Xalys | ah |
| 11:02.58 | Xalys | ok, that makes sense |
| 11:03.16 | ratrace | for example, if you say that your ethX is in 192.168.1.1/24 subnet, it will know that any packet destined to 192.168.1.1 will go through that NIC. It will also create a route for that /24 subnet. But where will a packet for 8.8.8.8 go to? |
| 11:03.38 | ratrace | unless you have an explicit route that packet would match, it'd go to the "gateway", aka the default route. |
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| 11:04.40 | Xalys | understand. The 'gateway' directives for all NICs except the one hooked up to the internet (ens18) are useless and should be removed. |
| 11:04.56 | ratrace | it's a called a gateway becaues it's sort of a gate-way from LAN (which is NIC's subnet) to WAN (which is everything outside of it) |
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| 11:06.16 | ratrace | Xalys: I'm not sure the gateway has to be set for the NIC with physical connection to WAN. I think it just defines a default route so whichever NIC stanza sets it, it'll be used. But I'm not 100% sure on that one. |
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| 11:06.54 | ratrace | ah yes, it actually uses the NIC in routing, indeed. |
| 11:07.31 | Xalys | yes, it makes sense now knowing what a gateway actually IS :) |
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| 11:08.31 | greenride | When using the netinstaller debian-10.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso, the installer blocks on finding/mounting CD Rom on a machine that does not have an optical drive. Any way around this? |
| 11:09.09 | lotuspsychje | greenride: plop boot manager can force usb boot of you like |
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| 11:11.21 | ratrace | greenride: see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=740073 |
| 11:11.22 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/740073 in debian-installer (open): «netinst hangs on scanning CD-ROM»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-02-25; last modified: 2019-08-04. |
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| 11:19.21 | greenride | judd: The only reply in 2019 seems to be a financial scam, and the reply in 2017 seems to be about postal delivery. Prior to that are messages in 2014. Is this information still relevant? And, does the problem also exist for the DVD installer? |
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| 11:20.05 | ratrace | you're talking to a bot |
| 11:20.38 | at0m | !bots |
| 11:20.38 | dpkg | We have lots of bots around to help out with different things. dpkg (<dpkgbot>) and <judd> are the main two for factoids and package information; dselect (<dselectbot>) fills in for dpkg. There's also debhelper (flooding, moderating), apt, ... Most bots are also in #debian-bots if you can't use /msg to talk to them. Be nice to the bots though; they have feelings, bleed oil and let out the <magic smoke> when angry. |
| 11:21.19 | ratrace | greenride: which phase exactly does it hang looking for cdrom? the same as in the bug report? |
| 11:21.28 | Xalys | talking to bots is the future |
| 11:23.32 | greenride | ratrace: It happens right at the beginning. I believe it is before any form of installation has even been attempted. I don't believe it is the same as the bug report. |
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| 11:23.54 | greenride | The bug report seems to indicate a problem later in the install. Also, the bug report is from 2014. |
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| 11:26.10 | ratrace | greenride: can you perhaps post a screenshot to imgur or somewhere? |
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| 11:27.06 | at0m | greenride: i don't think the installer itself seen so many updates. but yea 2014 is old |
| 11:27.18 | nvz | idk the exact issues but more often than not those kinds of problems are due to badly written media |
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| 11:27.42 | nvz | I have issues myself.. had to write a wheezy ISO 3 times last night before it worked.. |
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| 11:36.52 | greenride | ratrace: working on getting the screenshots - there isn't a functional desktop on that machine to take snapshots. So, I need to transfer the pictures. |
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| 11:52.14 | b1ack0p | hi |
| 11:52.21 | b1ack0p | why cant i install pinta in debian10? |
| 11:52.40 | at0m | ,v pinta |
| 11:52.41 | judd | Package: pinta on amd64 -- jessie: 1.3-3; sid: 1.6-2; stretch: 1.6-2 |
| 11:52.52 | b1ack0p | no on buster? |
| 11:52.59 | at0m | seems there isn't. |
| 11:53.03 | b1ack0p | shyte |
| 11:53.11 | b1ack0p | why? |
| 11:53.16 | at0m | mind your language please |
| 11:53.22 | at0m | why, idk. check the buglists? |
| 11:53.52 | b1ack0p | interestingg... |
| 11:54.05 | b1ack0p | ok any good alternative for m$ paint in linux? |
| 11:54.16 | b1ack0p | which i can corp/edit/resize images? |
| 11:54.26 | nvz | depends, do you also use gimp? |
| 11:54.46 | b1ack0p | i have gimp but for basic corp and resize it s too advanced |
| 11:54.53 | b1ack0p | and i dont know how to on gimp |
| 11:54.59 | b1ack0p | complicated a bit |
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| 11:55.06 | nvz | yeah well the issue is, the best paint like tool I know of will remove gimp |
| 11:55.27 | cbilt | if there is no package for my debian version, what does that mean? |
| 11:55.28 | nvz | there may be a similiar conflict with this pinta thing |
| 11:55.35 | cbilt | no one upgraded/updated it yet or it was discontinued? |
| 11:55.40 | ratrace | b1ack0p: it's _really_ not that difficult to crop and resize in gimp, did you even try learning how? |
| 11:55.41 | at0m | gimp's indeed heavy for simple tasks.. for batch resize i've used convert, part of img?? |
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| 11:55.42 | cbilt | specifically it's gnu-smalltalk and there is no buster version |
| 11:55.45 | b1ack0p | i really need something like paint |
| 11:55.58 | nvz | ,v gnu-smalltalk |
| 11:55.59 | judd | Package: gnu-smalltalk on amd64 -- jessie: 3.2.4-2.1; stretch: 3.2.5-1+b3; bullseye: 3.2.5-1.3+b1; sid: 3.2.5-1.3+b1 |
| 11:56.03 | ratrace | at0m: convert is ImageMagick |
| 11:56.04 | at0m | fwiw, paint doesn't resize |
| 11:56.14 | b1ack0p | ratrace: i have an image looks like table and i need to divide it |
| 11:56.18 | cbilt | if i can do something to help i would like to |
| 11:56.19 | b1ack0p | to equal pieces |
| 11:56.20 | at0m | ratrace: ah, indeed, slipped my mind |
| 11:56.21 | b1ack0p | crop |
| 11:56.43 | ratrace | b1ack0p: gimp has an option for that too iirc |
| 11:56.43 | at0m | crop i do w gwenview |
| 11:56.44 | nvz | mogrify -crop 200x200+20+20 foo.jpg |
| 11:57.07 | at0m | that is, just crop some pics before i share or so |
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| 11:57.23 | b1ack0p | what i mean is i need to crop like columns/cells in equal pieces |
| 11:57.58 | b1ack0p | i mean i will create multiple images part of the big image |
| 11:58.06 | greenride | ratrace: https://imgur.com/a/ixWBhug |
| 11:58.19 | nvz | b1ack0p: are the dimensions always the same? |
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| 11:59.00 | at0m | if so, convert is really great for batches |
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| 11:59.17 | b1ack0p | nvz: i need equal sizes |
| 11:59.26 | b1ack0p | for example there is an image 800x600 pc |
| 11:59.27 | b1ack0p | px |
| 11:59.36 | ratrace | greenride: but there IS no cd-rom drive? you're booting off of USB? |
| 11:59.37 | b1ack0p | i wanna divide about 4 pieces |
| 12:00.06 | nvz | b1ack0p: so regardless of the size, you want to chop it relative to the dimensions the same all the time? |
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| 12:00.23 | ratrace | b1ack0p: https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/30008/crop-a-big-picture-into-several-small-size-pictures |
| 12:00.33 | ratrace | or script somethign with ImageMagick |
| 12:00.34 | b1ack0p | nvz: yes |
| 12:00.54 | b1ack0p | if i had paint it would be really easy |
| 12:01.08 | nvz | b1ack0p: then yes, we can script this with imagemagick.. what kind of interface are you looking for? something that just runs on all files in a directory? |
| 12:01.30 | b1ack0p | i wanna crop manually |
| 12:01.32 | ratrace | b1ack0p: look at the link above, there's a plugin for gimp unless you want to script IM |
| 12:01.48 | ratrace | or use the guidelines approach in the same post, if you want "manually" |
| 12:02.11 | b1ack0p | you know in m$ paint you can select area to crop and it shows dimension below the area you selected |
| 12:02.37 | ratrace | gimp does too |
| 12:02.40 | nvz | yeah well gimp allows you to lock the crop to an aspect and all sorts of things |
| 12:02.43 | b1ack0p | if i attend equal dimension in gimp it may ruin the image |
| 12:02.52 | b1ack0p | it contains pictures too inside |
| 12:02.58 | b1ack0p | small pictures in tables |
| 12:03.08 | ratrace | I think this is really a non-existent problem for #debian |
| 12:03.23 | b1ack0p | well i just wanted to install looks like paint |
| 12:03.38 | at0m | paint doesnt do that :p |
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| 12:03.44 | b1ack0p | does |
| 12:03.49 | ratrace | !info krita |
| 12:03.53 | at0m | ok too long since i used it then |
| 12:03.54 | dpkg | krita: (pixel-based image manipulation program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1:4.2.8.2+dfsg-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 21740 kB, Installed size: 96998 kB |
| 12:04.01 | b1ack0p | at least it lets me select area and copy paste in new place |
| 12:04.16 | nvz | mypaint is the closest to mspaint I've seen in debian but it'll remove gimp |
| 12:04.19 | ratrace | hmm no package for krita, but you can try the snap, if you wanna try Krita instead of Gimp |
| 12:04.35 | b1ack0p | nvz: why would it remove gimp? |
| 12:04.41 | nvz | sounds to me like a simple script is called for in this particular case though |
| 12:04.54 | nvz | b1ack0p: due to a package conflict in their dependencies |
| 12:05.06 | b1ack0p | ... |
| 12:05.17 | b1ack0p | why everything is so complicated with linux? |
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| 12:05.46 | b1ack0p | !info krita |
| 12:05.48 | dpkg | krita: (pixel-based image manipulation program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1:4.2.8.2+dfsg-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 21740 kB, Installed size: 96998 kB |
| 12:05.51 | ratrace | so that people who don't even want to learn can stay on windows |
| 12:06.03 | nvz | or MacOS |
| 12:06.10 | ratrace | or macos, ye |
| 12:06.26 | oiaohm | https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.kde.krita krita is in flathub as well. |
| 12:06.26 | b1ack0p | installing krita |
| 12:06.43 | b1ack0p | it looks big app too |
| 12:06.47 | oiaohm | If you are running like stable that does not have that version yet. |
| 12:06.54 | nvz | ,v krita |
| 12:06.55 | judd | Package: krita on amd64 -- jessie: 1:2.8.5+dfsg-1+b2; stretch: 1:3.1.1+dfsg-1; buster: 1:4.1.7+dfsg-1+b1; bullseye: 1:4.2.8.2+dfsg-1+b1; sid: 1:4.2.8.2+dfsg-1+b1 |
| 12:07.09 | ratrace | oh there IS a package.... why does !info only list sid |
| 12:08.01 | nvz | thats all it has ever done |
| 12:08.15 | nvz | its for information.. information is best when current.. current version is in sid |
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| 12:09.10 | b1ack0p | thx |
| 12:09.43 | b1ack0p | see ya later |
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| 12:28.54 | antto | ah, it's from the GUI, i'm so dumb |
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| 14:25.29 | terr_ | My Lord but windows is ONE BIG POS! I did as backup. took like 8 hours. Its quit. No feed back what so ever. No errors. No warnings. No confirmation it completed. No feedback if it didn't complete. Now that is a POS! |
| 14:25.45 | terr_ | And they want Money for it. |
| 14:26.42 | jim | well linux kicked their ass pretty good |
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| 14:28.18 | jim | by contrast, you should try borg backup |
| 14:28.49 | GNU\colossus | or restic |
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| 14:34.42 | luv | hi i just downloaded firefox-esr_68.4.1esr-1~deb10u1_amd64.deb how i can show/verify the gpg signature please ? |
| 14:35.17 | luv | neither dpkg-sig debsigs debsig-verify works for me |
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| 14:37.20 | jim | are binary packages signed now? |
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| 14:46.43 | ksk | luv: why do you download a package, instead of installing it via apt? |
| 14:46.52 | ksk | aka "what are you really trying to do?" |
| 14:47.19 | luv | im try to verify the package signature (if any) |
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| 14:47.41 | luv | actually im just trying to find out if the package is signed or not |
| 14:49.31 | ksk | apt does that for you, so I can only repeat my question.. |
| 14:49.58 | ksk | see https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 14:50.37 | luv | im trying to find out if a .deb file is signed or not |
| 14:51.47 | luv | i dont know apt well enough - what exactly should i do to verify .deb file's signature? Yes I read that that's why i'm saying neither dpkg-sig debsigs debsig-verify works for me :) |
| 14:51.59 | ksk | !doesnotwork |
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| 14:52.34 | ksk | eh. does not work is not a technical statement. what did you do, what happend, and what did you expect to happen instead? |
| 14:52.43 | luv | lol |
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| 14:52.53 | luv | its fine you dont know either man :) |
| 14:53.05 | ksk | use paste.debian.org to share commands used and output. |
| 14:53.16 | luv | ive been using and hacking on deb for years i dont know too ... no need to feel bad :) |
| 14:54.05 | ksk | https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.package-authentication.html also worth a read |
| 14:54.16 | f8e3 | what is a simple mail client on debian that syncs to a certain filedir? |
| 14:54.35 | ksk | you are imho not telling me why you do that for a reason (you are in fact doing something we would advise against?) so I am not going to just answer your question :> |
| 14:55.00 | ksk | f8e3: mutt? define simple :P |
| 14:55.12 | luv | yeah sure |
| 14:56.13 | ksk | the second and third paragraph of the handbook do answer your question btw |
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| 14:58.34 | f8e3 | ksk: anyone using a procedure here: https://wiki.debian.org/Smartcards/, im afraid of keyloggers |
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| 15:00.13 | ksk | f8e3: I do not quite understand the question, but as your IMAP client will need to have the password for the mail account and needs to send that through (ssl encrypted?) internet, I dont really see how a smartcard would help here.. |
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| 15:00.45 | ksk | you would need "two factor support" at mailserver-side - if you are into security ;) |
| 15:00.49 | centrix | How can I get options a package was configured with (Buster)? |
| 15:01.15 | luv | so individual .deb files are not signed? |
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| 15:02.21 | f8e3 | ksk its a seperate question: how to circumvent keyloggers or at least detect, whats the bitstream recorded by such programs, even teh clipboard maybe? |
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| 15:06.50 | ksk | luv: no, they are not. but for evey package there are hashes in release file - which in turn is signed |
| 15:07.21 | ksk | so you get the release file, make sure it has not been tempered with, and then compare the hash for package X with the hash you get from the .deb |
| 15:07.40 | ksk | f8e3: I dont think that is possible ;) |
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| 15:21.36 | centrix | OK. I'm having troubles passing arguments with "check_nrpe" to my nrpe-server-3.2.1-2. Was build without allowing passing arguments? Thank you. |
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| 15:24.47 | jim | centrix, what troubles are you having, exactly? |
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| 15:25.19 | ksk | centrix: the debian version does not allow that, as its a huuge security hole. |
| 15:25.31 | ksk | (as far as I know, has been some days I used nagios) |
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| 15:27.05 | centrix | jim, ksk, Thank you. I found out some words about that here: https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/n/nagios-nrpe/changelog-3.2.1-2 |
| 15:27.40 | centrix | Using a package in the first stage, but if admins insist on passing arguments I'll have to custom-build :) |
| 15:28.25 | centrix | Unless they "have ears" and brains to respect security objections. |
| 15:28.33 | jim | seems that way |
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| 15:29.06 | jim | if /dev/null between ears, maybe not :) |
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| 15:30.06 | centrix | what about "/dev/dull" |
| 15:30.23 | jim | nevermind, dumb joke :) |
| 15:31.01 | centrix | jim, :) particularly: "NRPE: Command 'check_tx_tcp!192.168.1.45!8671' not defined" |
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| 15:31.46 | centrix | But never mind. If disabled I'll hadrwire. We'll see what happens. |
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| 15:32.05 | jim | that might be a different problem |
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| 15:35.29 | centrix | jim, definition was "check_tcp -H $ARG1$ -p $ARG2$". I passwd as -a IP_123 8671 |
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| 15:37.24 | centrix | Defining as cmdXYZ -H IP_123 -p $ARG1$ = Same scenario. Options -a 8671. Result: "check_tx_tcp!8671" not defined. |
| 15:37.51 | centrix | dont_blame_nrpe=1 |
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| 15:40.48 | Mazhive | hello guys does a nfs folder need to be 777 to have nfs control over permission |
| 15:41.57 | SpeedyG | my first hunch would be no.. but i'm no expert on nfs |
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| 15:45.43 | Mazhive | i have tested it out with a testing folder ..and if i set the folder to lets say 755 and give a certain pc(ip) rw options in the exports(serverside) i do not have write permissions on this client side |
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| 15:50.39 | ksk | Mazhive: afaik you need to match UID/GID on both client and server |
| 15:51.00 | ksk | like, have a user with id 1500 on nfs server, make him able to write there with ownership/permissions |
| 15:51.10 | ksk | then you have to create a uer with the same 1500 ID on the client machine |
| 15:51.25 | ksk | 777 is just never the answer P |
| 15:51.26 | ksk | :P |
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| 15:52.16 | Mazhive | both uid and gid are the same |
| 15:53.01 | Mazhive | i know (777) thats why i ask how to figure this out |
| 15:54.03 | ksk | then I suggest pasting "ls -la /mountpoint" , "touch /mountpoint/blafoo", "id" - on both client and server |
| 15:54.06 | ksk | !paste |
| 15:54.06 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 15:54.33 | ksk | eh, maybe add a comment that gives us untranslated uid rather than usernames. |
| 15:54.38 | ksk | s/comment/command |
| 15:57.10 | Mazhive | ksk: following is set on a (serverside) drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4.0K Jan 19 11:30 TEST and export file /path/server 192.168.4.14(rw,sync,no_subtree_check) |
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| 15:59.05 | Mazhive | client side has same attribs and ownership |
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| 16:08.16 | Mazhive | ksk: should it be ls -la "/mountpoint" instead of "ls -la /mountpoint" because i get a no such directory error |
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| 16:10.18 | Mazhive | i need to us the -n flag to see user id |
| 16:10.24 | Mazhive | id is 0 |
| 16:13.42 | jim | that would make it root |
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| 16:16.43 | Mazhive | yes the server side folder ownership is root as i said |
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| 16:19.52 | Mazhive | so i have to make a group to let a certain group have rwx and or rw acces and us a ownership of a diffrent user member of this group... am i right ? |
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| 16:25.50 | ksk | eh? basic unix permission apply, with the addition that uids need to match client<->servre |
| 16:26.09 | ksk | also, you did not supply the information I asked for. |
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| 16:58.16 | Mazhive | Ksk sorry but i cant i get a error not such directory or file |
| 16:58.29 | ksk | eh? |
| 16:58.48 | ksk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.54 | Mazhive | "ls -la /mountpoint" , "touch /mountpoint/blafoo", "id" |
| 16:59.54 | Mazhive | -bash: ls -la /mountpoint: No such file or directory |
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| 17:00.15 | Mazhive | i have replace yours with mine ofcourse |
| 17:00.43 | Mazhive | "ls -la /mnt/NFS" , "touch /mnt/NFS", "id" |
| 17:00.43 | Mazhive | -bash: ls -la /mnt/NFS: No such file or directory |
| 17:00.52 | ksk | are you root? |
| 17:01.44 | Mazhive | as user / and as root sudo: ls -la /mnt/NFS: command not foun |
| 17:02.26 | ksk | you should maybe get some unix linux debian basics before setting up a NFS-share. Im out |
| 17:02.29 | ksk | !handbook |
| 17:02.29 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 17:02.54 | Mazhive | so i thought you made a typo and used ls -la "/mnt/NFS" etc.. |
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| 17:04.34 | Mazhive | i know the basics sorry , i have more then 10 years experience in linux basics.. so i know alot .. i do appreciate your help... |
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| 17:04.51 | ksk | if you are not able to call ls on a path, I can only doubt that, sorry. |
| 17:05.44 | Mazhive | oke maybe you meant |
| 17:06.17 | Mazhive | ls -la /mnt/NFS , touch /mnt/NFS, "id" |
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| 17:09.09 | Mazhive | "ls -la /mountpoint" because this part is not giving me the right output you expect. |
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| 17:11.25 | Mazhive | but any wa thank you for your input i know what i have to do you answered my question , so thankx for you help |
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| 17:31.44 | mok | hi! |
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| 17:34.43 | mok | i pressed sudo lpinfo -v |
| 17:34.55 | mok | direct usb://XEROX/Phaser%203100MFP?serial=L510177LE676394 |
| 17:34.59 | mok | i got this as answer |
| 17:35.07 | mok | direct usb://XEROX/Phaser%203100MFP?serial=L510177LE676394 |
| 17:35.21 | mok | ok so lpinfo finds this printer that was just plugged in |
| 17:35.37 | mok | however when I try to use other PRINT commands on THE COMMAND LINE |
| 17:35.56 | mok | it says that it doesn't like the name |
| 17:36.08 | mok | how do i make this printer print something with LPR |
| 17:36.10 | mok | ? |
| 17:36.57 | Mazhive | did you install cups ? |
| 17:37.19 | mok | no |
| 17:37.29 | mok | brb |
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| 17:42.49 | mok | yes its installed |
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| 17:45.52 | mok | I should install arch linux |
| 17:46.01 | mok | they seem to not sell out |
| 17:46.05 | mok | .i. |
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| 17:52.16 | dob1 | I have a strange encoding problem. my encoding it_IT.UTF-8, when I connect via ssh to a pc and I read a file that uses utf8 I don't see accents with less, then I transfer the file to my pc, less and I see the accents |
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| 17:52.46 | dob1 | the pc where I connect use en_GB.UTF-8 but it's still uft8 |
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| 17:56.43 | dob1 | ah I have to export the locale before connecting to this pc, so if before ssh I do export LC_ALL=en_GB.UTF-8 |
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| 17:57.10 | dob1 | so is UTF-8 so differnet? |
| 17:57.20 | dob1 | for it_IT to en_GB ? |
| 17:57.27 | frostschutz | dob1, which terminal? ssh/server tends to assume the worst when you login with an unknown-to-server terminal. echo $TERM |
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| 17:58.50 | dob1 | frostschutz, xterm or screen or xterm256 |
| 17:59.16 | dob1 | frostschutz, did you read my update? I have to export the locale before connecting to the host.... it seems very strange |
| 18:00.14 | ratrace | dob1: ssh server, at least on debian, by default accepts locale from the client. if you didn't enable it_IT on the server too, it'll fallback to C iirc |
| 18:00.46 | dob1 | ratrace, but when I connect and I use locale I get the server locale |
| 18:00.51 | ratrace | you can also force export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 in your server shell's .bashrc |
| 18:00.52 | dob1 | not C |
| 18:00.56 | ratrace | or whtaever shell you use |
| 18:01.11 | ratrace | dob1: you sure? `locale` shows that for LC_ALL? |
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| 18:01.30 | ratrace | for LANG, not LC_ALL sorry |
| 18:03.00 | dob1 | ratrace, ok on the pc, locale shows it_IT.UTF-8, I ssh to the server,LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 but there is a message "locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory" |
| 18:03.35 | ratrace | dob1: dpkg-reconfigure locales and enable the locales you want |
| 18:03.45 | ratrace | and set default |
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| 18:06.52 | dob1 | ratrace, the locale it_IT was not enabled on the server, I added it and it was fixed but other than this I have a doubt now: UFT8 it's not always the same? |
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| 18:07.33 | dob1 | the file is the same, infact when I transfer it to my pc I was able to read it even if the locale was different but still utf8 |
| 18:07.42 | dob1 | it's always so confusing encondig issues |
| 18:08.35 | ratrace | UTF8 is UTF8 but the problem is openssh taking locale from client unless you disable that setting, which then borks the locale for that session if it's not enabled on the server |
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| 18:10.48 | dob1 | ratrace, ok but then when on a windows pc (mine doesn't use uft8) I connect via putty to the same server I do less file I see it? I don't have any non-utf8 locale enabled on the server |
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| 18:11.55 | dob1 | maybe putty does something that normal ssh connection via terminal doesn't do |
| 18:12.17 | ratrace | dob1: I don't know what putty does, probably sends no locale specific ENV |
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| 18:12.35 | ratrace | they're both "normal" in that they're OpenSSH protocol connections. |
| 18:12.48 | b1ack0p | hi |
| 18:13.51 | dob1 | ratrace, ok maybe it's this |
| 18:14.30 | ratrace | dob1: you can simply disable AcceptEnv LANG LC_* in your sshd_config and then client's locale won't matter |
| 18:15.03 | dob1 | ratrace, in .ssh/config too? |
| 18:15.14 | ratrace | no it's a server side setting |
| 18:15.50 | dob1 | ratrace, well I cannot then |
| 18:16.31 | ratrace | I mean yes you can use SendEnv client side, but my point was if you disable that server-side, then it won't matter what clients set, you'll have a persistent environment |
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| 18:17.54 | dob1 | ratrace, I got it and thansk for the hint but it's not my server :/ |
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| 18:18.35 | J0hnnyW4lker | hey |
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| 18:20.39 | J0hnnyW4lker | helllo |
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| 18:21.10 | ratrace | dob1: then force whatever locale you want via LANG export in your shell rc on the server |
| 18:21.19 | J0hnnyW4lker | what?? |
| 18:21.22 | J0hnnyW4lker | wht? |
| 18:21.27 | ratrace | dob1: assuming that locale is enabled system-wide on the server |
| 18:21.29 | Aebian | can you recommend a rdp program to connect from my debian machine to MS systems? |
| 18:21.50 | ratrace | Aebian: Remina? |
| 18:22.01 | ratrace | *remmina |
| 18:22.15 | J0hnnyW4lker | im new here and dont know whats happend here |
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| 18:22.35 | Aebian | hmmm yeah I guess it is not on the official debian repo is it? |
| 18:22.37 | dob1 | ratrace, but it's ok, I got how to deal with this issue :) |
| 18:22.52 | ratrace | ,v remmina |
| 18:22.54 | judd | Package: remmina on amd64 -- jessie: 1.1.1-2; stretch-backports: 1.3.3+dfsg-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1.3.3+dfsg-2; buster-backports: 1.3.10+dfsg-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.3.10+dfsg-1; sid: 1.3.10+dfsg-1 |
| 18:23.02 | ratrace | 'tis :) |
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| 18:23.30 | Aebian | yeah spelling is your friend thanks |
| 18:23.35 | Aebian | found it now |
| 18:23.57 | J0hnnyW4lker | where can i find hackers |
| 18:24.18 | sponix | J0hnnyW4lker: search the channels list |
| 18:24.20 | ratrace | in your local video store, maybe on netflix. amazon definitely. |
| 18:24.31 | sponix | ratrace: good one ;) |
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| 18:24.37 | sponix | "hackers 1995" |
| 18:24.40 | ratrace | ya :) |
| 18:24.49 | sponix | lol |
| 18:24.53 | J0hnnyW4lker | thancks spnix |
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| 18:28.08 | sponix2ipfw | ratrace: that RDP stuff must be a common question. Just had it pop up in the Mint support the other day |
| 18:28.51 | ratrace | dunno, last time I had to recommend remmina was sometime last year |
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| 18:35.47 | thr | hi I got issue with oracle Virtual box, I installed the additional package drivers enabled the biderectional copying yet still Im unable to copy and paste between host and vm. other problem I got with vm ware workstation, I cannot open ova files via file open / taht ova file it does not work , Im trying it on linux, please can anybody help? |
| 18:37.08 | Mathisen | thr, you need guest additions installed in the guest OS also to have biderectional working |
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| 18:43.39 | thr | Mathisen I firstly installed the package additions by opening it in oracle vm box and it installed it succesfully but when was not working I tried to install by sudo apt-install that addition pack and it installed some packages |
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| 18:45.02 | Mathisen | im not sure what you mean by addition pack. this is what you need atleast vbox + extension pack on the host OS and in guest OS the guest additions |
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| 18:49.22 | eggbean | I can find and use the apt package for the cloudflare plugin (python3-certbot-dns-cloudflare), but I cannot find the apt package for the google cloud platform plugin? |
| 18:50.26 | eggbean | re: certbot plugins |
| 18:50.40 | thr | that additions pack with drivers and additional bs shit to make your vms work better yes extension pack, wait extension pack on host os? |
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| 18:51.32 | thr | I had vbox + extension pack intalled in the vms how can I install it on my host? |
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| 18:52.27 | sponix | thr: in vbox main go to file, then prefs, then extensions |
| 18:52.48 | apollo13 | the extension pack is just for usb and some remote desktop stuff, generally you shouldn't need it afaiks |
| 18:52.56 | apollo13 | also be aware of the license of the extension pack |
| 18:53.08 | sponix | yes, it will eat your soul |
| 18:53.12 | thr | @sponix its there |
| 18:53.44 | apollo13 | thr: for what did you install it at all? bidirectional copy is a question of guest drivers not extension pack |
| 18:54.10 | sponix | thr: what are your Host OS, your VM Guest OS, and exactly what are you trying to accomplish ? |
| 18:54.23 | thr | I just need to copy and paste passwords from my password manager into the vm , this is the single reason why I installed it I have biderectional enabled too and its still not working, I think such a feature should work out of box |
| 18:54.44 | sponix | thr: for bi-directional XYZ you should install the "Guess Editions" inside the VM, and toggle the BI stuff in the Menu of the Guest VM |
| 18:54.49 | apollo13 | thr: then uninstall it, you don't need the extension |
| 18:55.28 | eggbean | The package seems to be available on sid. It's not available on stretch? |
| 18:55.31 | eggbean | https://packages.debian.org/sid/python3-certbot-dns-google |
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| 18:55.42 | thr | apollo13 but its not working at all :( I remember it having it on other machine and never had problem with it |
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| 18:56.12 | apollo13 | thr: but certainly not as a result of the extension pack, do what sponix tells you to do |
| 18:56.16 | charon | hi |
| 18:56.32 | thr | @sponix so it is the additional package or where can I find this guess editions ? |
| 18:56.46 | demigeek | hi all, I have question? |
| 18:56.51 | thr | apollo13 where can I find the file to download it please? |
| 18:56.58 | charon | yo |
| 18:57.04 | thr | you know what I meant :D |
| 18:57.08 | apollo13 | thr: search for virtual box guest additions or something |
| 18:57.10 | charon | does any one know any fb bruteforce |
| 18:57.13 | demigeek | I have a tar file and when i extract that tar file via the Command Line, i end up with a folder containing multiple RAR files. My question to your most knowledgeable minds, is this, can you extract the tar file and its multiple RAR contents in one command? |
| 18:57.17 | apollo13 | in your package manager |
| 18:57.17 | sponix | thr: Oh, in the Guest VM -- you 1st need to unmount any ISO you have for your CD Drive |
| 18:57.51 | charon | does anyone know any fb bruteforce |
| 18:57.55 | sponix | thr: Then you need to to "Devices" and "Insert Guest Editions CD" select from the menu |
| 18:58.06 | thr | bro thats the thign sponix I already did it, unmounted it., and still . guest additions is in those overall preferences settings and both in vm options |
| 18:58.12 | thr | when v ms are loaded |
| 18:58.28 | thr | but I didnt installed guest editions to the host |
| 18:58.37 | sponix | thr: you actually installed the Guest editions ? And it is a version that matches up with your vbox ? |
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| 18:59.02 | sponix | thr: No, Guest editions only go in the Guest VM -- Not on the host |
| 18:59.08 | thr | when I push insert error happens, @sponix, yes I did all this before, it was version from vmware site |
| 18:59.14 | thr | virtual box |
| 18:59.15 | thr | I mean |
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| 18:59.43 | sponix | thr: And you have restarted the Guest VM afterwards ? |
| 19:00.05 | thr | extension pack 6.1.0r135406 version |
| 19:00.12 | thr | yes multiple times |
| 19:00.49 | sponix | thr: lol -- seems your are doing the correct steps... I place my best on it is your version of vbox that is busted ;) |
| 19:00.59 | thr | I even tried to uninstal it but when reinstalled it loaded the same settings, vms and everything |
| 19:00.59 | sponix | thr: I'm still on 6.0.14 for this reason |
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| 19:01.24 | sponix | the early point releases of vbox tend to be unreliable junk IMHO |
| 19:01.32 | thr | can I somehow fix it @sponix ? |
| 19:01.40 | KOLANICH | Hi. Why do we still use pytho 3.7 instead of 3.8? |
| 19:01.44 | joepublic | "somehow" covers a lot of ground |
| 19:01.48 | KOLANICH | *python |
| 19:01.55 | thr | uninstal it completely and install the earlier version? sponix |
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| 19:02.28 | sponix | thr: Try to purge vbox, and just install 6.0.14 (or later) from their website, do its extension pack also, then do the Guest Additions again -- and give it another shot |
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| 19:03.14 | sponix | thr: I was running 5.2.24 until just recently ... |
| 19:04.10 | sponix | KOLANICH: because Debian chooses stability over higher version numbers. If you want the latest and greatest version numbers of everything -- Run Arch |
| 19:04.31 | thr | Freakin oracle early releases made my sunday wasteful all day long :D btw guest additions and extension pack are not the same thing? I only found extension pack to download from vmbox site |
| 19:05.41 | sponix | thr: no, they are not the same thing. You just get vbox itself, and the extension pack that matches the same version. Install them both, and the Guest Additions is only what you select from the menu of your VM to install them inside it |
| 19:06.28 | sponix | thr: I am running Linux Guest, Inside Linux Host right now -- and that works fine. If I feel energetic I'll do Windows 10 Guest also, and see if that works for me |
| 19:06.33 | KOLANICH | sponix: I use debian (in fact ubuntu) not for stability, but for large number of software and hardware supporting this distro |
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| 19:06.52 | sponix | KOLANICH: congrats |
| 19:06.59 | ratrace | !sns |
| 19:06.59 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 19:08.28 | BadCOMRADE | If you want to burn down a building, put potato chips in a toaster with a trail leading from the toaster to other highly flammable things. The potato chips leave no residue and the toaster will pop back up after the chips catch fire so there's no way to find the start of the fire. |
| 19:09.32 | ratrace | KOLANICH: are you confusing me for a bot? |
| 19:10.03 | joepublic | That's like saying I drive a porsche (in fact a 1968 VW beetle) not for blah blah |
| 19:10.24 | thr | @sponix how can I purge it easily I cannot find it via dpkg |
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| 19:11.22 | BadCOMRADE | If you're going to stab something, always make sure to stab and twist the knife. If you stab without twisting it will just leave a slit that can easily be mended. If you twist it leaves a hole that can't be so easily mended. |
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| 19:11.39 | joepublic | !ops BadCOMRADE babblespam |
| 19:11.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: joepublic complains about a problem (see above) |
| 19:12.30 | thr | BadCOMRADE guess thats what men do to women when having intercourse |
| 19:12.35 | ratrace | while at the subject of ops, KOLANICH is trying to msg spam me, though I blocked him |
| 19:13.24 | joepublic | dpkg: ubuntu is not debian |
| 19:13.24 | dpkg | is not debian: Please take your Ubuntu question to #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net as they are able to help you much better with Ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian, #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced Ubuntu users. |
| 19:13.36 | sponix | thr: run "dpkg -l | grep virtualbox" and then "sudo apt purge virtualbox*" |
| 19:13.42 | thr | sponix is there some uninstaller that can get ut away? |
| 19:13.43 | BadCOMRADE | thr i do it all the time |
| 19:14.07 | sponix | thr: you can actually just run it with the * at the end, but if you want to do the specific packages then you can list them 1st, and fill them in specifically in the 2nd statement |
| 19:14.10 | thr | thx @sponix |
| 19:14.32 | BadCOMRADE | If you could suck your own dick, would it feel more like getting your dick sucked or more like suckin a dick? |
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| 19:15.58 | thr | BadCOMRADE she must bleed often :D man ? wtf ? you know how it feels really? like tasting your dick out of curiosity and feels corny as fuck because internally you know you are wrong for that and that it should be a fine hoe suckin that power pole when extended |
| 19:16.26 | ratrace | oh another retardo |
| 19:16.30 | ratrace | !ops |
| 19:16.30 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 19:16.46 | KOLANICH | ratrace: are 4 messages 2 of which are bot commands (I have mistakingly confused him to a bot) 1 is "sorry" and 1 is an answer to a question really considered to be "msg spam"? |
| 19:16.57 | sponix | thr: please do not bait the trolls |
| 19:17.03 | joepublic | like "ops thr offtopic nonsense" |
| 19:17.19 | ratrace | KOLANICH: yup, now go away. |
| 19:17.27 | thr | BadCOMRADE so all Im trying to say stop doing it :D cuz it will cost you in the end |
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| 19:17.42 | thr | @sponix ok back to solving it :) |
| 19:17.43 | KOLANICH | thanks anyway |
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| 19:18.09 | joepublic | etiquette tip: don't msg without permission |
| 19:18.20 | thr | sponix shows me no file in such directory :( |
| 19:18.40 | sponix | thr: wait one |
| 19:18.42 | ratrace | joepublic: +g ftw, and it's extra funny when you see them try over and over and over |
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| 19:19.31 | thr | usr/share and /docs have some virtual box files |
| 19:20.28 | thr | @sponix not sure If I mentioned that Im using mint |
| 19:20.52 | sponix | thr: run this in terminal: dpkg -l | grep virtualbox | nc termbin.com 9999 .. It should return a list that looks similar to this https://termbin.com/5630 |
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| 19:21.17 | sponix | thr: for your Host OS -- Or for the Guest VM ? |
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| 19:22.06 | thr | sponix host ost guest is ubuntu |
| 19:22.14 | thr | it returned me a link should I post it here? |
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| 19:22.22 | sponix | thr: sure |
| 19:22.31 | thr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.31 | thr | https://termbin.com/aur7 |
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| 19:22.36 | naptastic | Can I use multiple 'd-i preseed/late_command'? |
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| 19:23.02 | sponix | thr: and for the record. with Mint the Hexchat from the welcome screen is configured to join #LinuxMint-help on irc.spotchat.org already. And that is most likely the place you should be lol |
| 19:23.20 | ratrace | and for the recordier record, mint is not supported here, nor is buntu |
| 19:24.17 | thr | @sponix the link is not working I tried to join |
| 19:24.24 | thr | but it shows me unable to connect |
| 19:24.52 | thr | got it thx guys |
| 19:24.57 | sponix | thr: in terminal run "sudo apt purge virtualbox-6.1" ... Then just go into the Mint "Software Manager" and install vbox from inside there -- It will be an older version, but should work fine for you |
| 19:26.09 | sponix | thr: for further support in irc run "/server irc.spotchat.org" and then /join #LinuxMint-chat ... I am over there also, and it is the spot you should be at |
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| 19:30.21 | naptastic | <opinion> VirtualBox 5.2 is better than 6.x </opinion> |
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| 19:35.02 | sponix | naptastic: Yep, 5.2.X still likely works better than 6.0.14 and for sure better than 6.1.2 or whatever |
| 19:35.58 | naptastic | I had to rebuild some VMs when I switched back. Then I realized how silly I was being, and switched to libvirt. |
| 19:36.17 | joepublic | for somereason I use aqemu and like it |
| 19:36.37 | sponix | joepublic: better than virt-manager ? |
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| 19:36.50 | joepublic | i like it better than virt-manager |
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| 19:37.04 | naptastic | looks up aqemu |
| 19:37.14 | sponix | naptastic: I run vbox for a silly reason. I spend most of my free time schooling n00bz -- and vbox is normally a better fit for them |
| 19:37.20 | joepublic | i think it's because it feels more like a vbox that just has 476 tabs full of 15632 options |
| 19:37.31 | sponix | naptastic: it is another kvm/qemu frontend |
| 19:38.59 | naptastic | Hahahaha... vbox definitely has its advantages in terms of usability (bridged networking, for example) but I outgrew it. There's a use case for everything, or nobody would be using it! |
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| 19:44.25 | sponix | naptastic: yeah, I've been to lazy to hand jam setting up the bridge for lib-virt honestly. Otherwise I would have at least some of my VM's running kvm |
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| 19:56.27 | eggbean | If I install the latest tmux debian package from sid/bullseye, on stretch, everything would be okay? It would still be better than compiling it from source? |
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| 19:57.54 | sponix | eggbean: should be fine |
| 19:57.57 | ratrace | eggbean: probably not as it wants specific version of libevent which has large rdep list. |
| 19:58.11 | sponix | ratrace: Oof |
| 19:58.12 | ratrace | !ssb |
| 19:58.12 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 19:58.39 | eggbean | Okay, thanks |
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| 19:59.38 | sponix | ratrace: so the recommendation is to built it from source into a deb -- so that it relies on the systems current libevent -- instead of the one from sid ? |
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| 20:13.15 | eggbean | I just noticed that there is tab completion after `sudo apt install ?`, for all packages. That's amazing. I have been using Debian for over a decade and never noticed that before. Is it relatively recent? |
| 20:15.33 | tomreyn | i think this is provided by package bash-completion |
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| 20:16.14 | eggbean | I was stuck on squeeze for years and I'm sure I would have noticed it before if it was available with that |
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| 20:16.54 | tomreyn | it's also available on oldoldstable |
| 20:17.18 | ratrace | sponix: if I were to do it, I'd use the (altered) src deb, yes. |
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| 20:19.24 | tomreyn | ... but it's possible it wasn't a recommends in the past and is now. |
| 20:19.43 | tomreyn | or just lacked this feature then |
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| 20:37.46 | terr_ | jim, are you still here? |
| 20:39.31 | terr_ | I am going back into this quagmire. How to do a WINDOWS backup! Answer: use Linux. My conclusion is Windows Sysadmins either (1) really earn their money -or- (2) It doesn't really matter what monkeys you hire because its more or less a lost cause anyways. |
| 20:40.33 | terr_ | I will have to use MBR on a 1 terabyte HDD. This is okay. I have a 2 TB drive as well and can put GUID/GPT on it. |
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| 20:45.37 | terr_ | comments please: I want multiboot even though these are external drives (for now). Issue. I think I need to set up /boot (and I will post in #grub) I will need / (root) and [swap] and (home) will be happy in / (root) This leaves me 1 partition. I can put either windows 7 or windows 10 - I will ask in #windows and #windows-legacy. Can I install BOTH 7 & 10 in a single partition? This will be NTFS. I can mount the windows partitions from Linux. ANd I |
| 20:45.37 | terr_ | do not expect to be using either unless I am forced to. |
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| 20:52.45 | jim | terr_, yeah, something up? |
| 20:53.19 | jhutchins | terr_: I'm not sure how windows is about booting from an external device. Theoretically grub should be able to load it. |
| 20:53.59 | jhutchins | terr_: These days Windows is rumored to store hardware identification, and complain about the license if too much changes, but there are ways around it. |
| 20:54.07 | ksk | If its just about having windows boot that one specific set of hardware it might work. |
| 20:54.24 | ksk | Win7 is EOL (soon?) though. |
| 20:54.39 | jhutchins | terr_: You could always just swap the internal drive out, keep it around as a backup. |
| 20:55.11 | jhutchins | ksk: Now. |
| 20:55.28 | terr_ | jim, ya. THanks for your comment. I will say. M$ has one very lovely Point of Sale system. Its kinda like when you take a crap and instinct says check the results and I always know when I'm in a public washroom if the guy has sort of a smile then you know he's made a good deposit. |
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| 20:57.23 | senko-san | test |
| 20:57.51 | jim | nest |
| 20:58.42 | terr_ | jhutchins, I have USB 3 and several HDs. I can likely use Grub and run both. The thing is windows has damn hidden partitions. I need 3 for linux: / [swap] and possible /boot. Maybe I can set up (boot) in / Is there a reason to not do this? (so far nobody is home in #grub. They are probably at #pub) |
| 20:59.17 | jhutchins | terr_: IBM does a linux-based POS system, as do others. There's a company called Core Cashless that used to build touchscreen POS terminals. |
| 20:59.37 | jim | maybe you'd also like partitions to store backups on, and to store your /home |
| 21:00.21 | terr_ | jim, I have external drives for this. |
| 21:01.43 | terr_ | I can get 2 TB for like CDN$65. That is CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP so much that I am starting to think I should forget computers and buy hens and become a chicken farmer. |
| 21:02.22 | terr_ | I think windows should run just fine on a USB3 HDD. |
| 21:02.45 | terr_ | In the towers I can install several SATA drives. |
| 21:03.55 | f8e3 | anyone living in the shell without window system? how to browse then |
| 21:04.25 | f8e3 | i am thinking to ditch a gui due bug surface etc, and only bubble up if necessary eg chromium browsing right? or am i wrong |
| 21:08.31 | terr_ | f8e3, I've used Firefox in Debian for years. I suspect you can install chrome. If you want you can set up a VM and install windows 95 and Internet Explorer. You probably will be pretty safe because (1) I saw the US Government is warning uses off the newest versions of IE and (2) it appears Microsoft has decided to deprecate IE - IE something new in W10 |
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| 21:11.11 | terr_ | f8e3, it is quite reasonable to be paranoid. You can run any one of several operating systems in a VM. If the thing is exploited... fire up a duplicate. Your main system will NOT be involved. |
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| 21:14.22 | ksk | thats a rather naive assumption ;) |
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| 21:15.01 | ksk | f8e3: just use a low feature-set desktop like fluxbox if you do not like gnome. |
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| 21:17.56 | soda__hobart | hi everybody, I am trying to install the `supercollider` metapackage on Buster, but apt is giving me a 404 error for the libqt5 dependencies. Is something just down temporarily? |
| 21:18.07 | ksk | ,v supercollider |
| 21:18.08 | judd | Package: supercollider on amd64 -- jessie: 1:3.6.6~repack-2-1; stretch: 1:3.7.0~repack-4+deb9u1; buster: 1:3.10.0+repack-1; bullseye: 1:3.10.0+repack-1+b2; sid: 1:3.10.0+repack-1+b2 |
| 21:18.15 | ksk | !bat |
| 21:18.15 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 21:18.18 | ksk | soda__hobart: ^ |
| 21:18.37 | ksk | soda__hobart: did you do an "apt update" before? If not, do so first. |
| 21:18.55 | ksk | If it still does not work, please provice the information the bot lined out. |
| 21:19.10 | soda__hobart | good grief, that's what it was |
| 21:19.45 | soda__hobart | thank you |
| 21:19.48 | ksk | !next |
| 21:19.48 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 21:20.41 | terr_ | q) do we have any use in linux for a /pub |
| 21:20.50 | terr_ | if not this would be a good addition |
| 21:21.08 | ksk | there is #debian-offtopic, if that is your question. |
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| 21:25.59 | joepublic | re: /pub ... man hier |
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| 21:27.38 | ritmo | Hello! |
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| 21:27.47 | ritmo | any1 here? |
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| 21:27.59 | jim | 1? |
| 21:28.28 | EdNigma | Hello |
| 21:28.35 | ritmo | i have a question regarding installing chromium on debian10 using snapd |
| 21:28.45 | joepublic | There are apparently one thousand five hundred twenty-three here |
| 21:28.59 | jim | hi |
| 21:29.24 | ritmo | Anyone has experience with snapd on Debian? |
| 21:29.36 | joepublic | I mostly use apt on debian |
| 21:29.41 | jim | ritmo, you can ask your question,,, and also please add any informative details you can think of |
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| 21:30.34 | sponix | ritmo: chromium on Debian 10 should not require a snap, and is likely to be an issue if you attempt that route |
| 21:30.35 | jim | yeah, that's three different packaging systems... and two is pretty insane by itself |
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| 21:31.59 | ritmo | Ok so if you install Chromium using apt and you go to browseraudit.com and run a the test you will encounter some critical error but when you use ubuntu you do not get that error. |
| 21:32.07 | ritmo | you don't even get that error on firefox |
| 21:32.25 | ritmo | So i posted this on reddit and someone said it's because the version on debian10.2 in apt is outdated |
| 21:32.32 | jhutchins | ,v chromium |
| 21:32.33 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 70.0.3538.110-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; buster: 78.0.3904.97-1~deb10u1; buster-proposed-updates: 78.0.3904.108-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 78.0.3904.108-1~deb10u1; sid: 79.0.3945.79-1 |
| 21:33.07 | jhutchins | ritmo: Which version do you have? |
| 21:33.37 | ritmo | n the "Cookies" then "Secure flag" section: "cookie set by JavaScript should not be sent over HTTP" This critical test executed in â61ms and failed for the following reason: The cookie was sent to the server. |
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| 21:33.48 | ritmo | this was the error i got from browseraudit.com |
| 21:33.55 | ritmo | i use the latest apt version on 10.2 |
| 21:34.03 | ritmo | but i uninstalled it for now |
| 21:34.19 | sponix | hell of an answer |
| 21:34.21 | jhutchins | ritmo: Which version of _chromium_? |
| 21:34.37 | joepublic | as I understand it the answer was, "whatever I got at the time" |
| 21:34.42 | ritmo | as i said, the latest version you can find in apt! wait i install it again and run the test again |
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| 21:35.05 | sponix | lol |
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| 21:35.21 | qubes | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.31 | sponix | qubes: Oof |
| 21:35.38 | qubes | fukcin hell |
| 21:35.43 | joepublic | I don't think "protonmai" is a real thing |
| 21:35.43 | qubes | :D |
| 21:35.45 | jhutchins | ritmo: Go to the settings (three dots in upper right corner), About... get the actual number. There's more than one version available. |
| 21:35.51 | qubes | its not :) |
| 21:36.03 | EdNigma | rip |
| 21:36.10 | terr_ | qubes, it looks right. |
| 21:36.13 | qubes | what is the right command for registering |
| 21:36.15 | qubes | ? |
| 21:36.17 | sponix | jhutchins: he just put it here for you to proof read it |
| 21:36.37 | EdNigma | It is, you just put a space at the beginning qubes |
| 21:36.42 | terr_ | do you have to remove the preceeding space? |
| 21:37.07 | qubes | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.12 | EdNigma | Still not |
| 21:37.26 | ritmo | 78.0.3904.108-1 |
| 21:37.28 | qubes | EdNigma I just did put the space before it :D |
| 21:37.28 | ritmo | thats the verison |
| 21:37.32 | ritmo | im running the test again rn |
| 21:37.39 | EdNigma | Aaaah I meant remove the space qubes ! |
| 21:37.41 | terr_ | well I learned something. [space] does this? |
| 21:37.42 | EdNigma | :') |
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| 21:37.57 | jim | ritmo, dpkg -s chromium | grep '^Version' |
| 21:37.58 | EdNigma | And register with another password too qubes |
| 21:38.01 | jhutchins | ritmo: Thank you, that's what I wanted to know. |
| 21:38.02 | terr_ | we have all written down the email address so we can send it to spam bots. |
| 21:38.19 | joepublic | I also imagine you'll be ghosted shortly. |
| 21:38.27 | jhutchins | ritmo: There are evidently some problems, notice it's nit in bullseye at all |
| 21:38.54 | qubes | terr_ :) I |
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| 21:39.23 | EdNigma | Can't understand why my microphone is crackling and acting weird on Buster |
| 21:39.37 | ritmo | Wow, so i installed Chromium again and now it doesn't have that problem anymore |
| 21:40.01 | jhutchins | ritmo: With apt? |
| 21:40.03 | EdNigma | I suppose part of the problem is pulseaudio as it's highly criticized but I use PulseEffects a lot for the mic and headset, so I don't want to switch... |
| 21:40.07 | ritmo | (on browseraudit.com), nothing with "critical status" anymore. |
| 21:40.09 | ritmo | Yes, with apt. |
| 21:40.11 | jhutchins | ritmo: Does it show the same version? |
| 21:40.19 | ritmo | Yes, i just installed it again |
| 21:40.29 | ritmo | I uninstalled it like 3 days ago because it kept showing that 1 error. |
| 21:40.41 | jhutchins | ritmo: I'm on stretch still, I show 9 warnings and no criticals. |
| 21:41.12 | ritmo | debian10.2 9x warning 20x skilled 375 passed 0x critical |
| 21:41.16 | sponix | jhutchins: I don't show any of either -- because I don't care :) |
| 21:41.41 | ritmo | I'm so happy i don't need to install it with snapd omg :D |
| 21:41.44 | jhutchins | ritmo: It's possible a patched version was posted in those three days, especially if there was a critical. |
| 21:42.00 | ritmo | Yes, possible! |
| 21:42.15 | qubes | can somebodz tell me how to change my username? |
| 21:42.30 | sponix | qubes: /nick somethingElse |
| 21:42.47 | sponix | qubes: or do you mean on your Linux rig ? |
| 21:42.48 | jhutchins | ritmo: It's probably better to install chrome from google than to mess with snap. Multiple package managers, same package name = broken system eventually. |
| 21:43.40 | ritmo | I'm uninstalling the snap right now |
| 21:43.47 | sponix | jhutchins: I'm using FF ESR as my daily driver |
| 21:43.52 | ritmo | apt seems fine, uninstalling snap additionally :P |
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| 21:44.34 | ritmo | btw another question: it has been asked on the internet a lot but maybe someone has a good answer for me here: |
| 21:44.48 | ritmo | What to do about that keyring prompt in the beginning of chromium. |
| 21:45.04 | ritmo | Should i give it my system password? I am not going to store ANY passwords in chromium. |
| 21:45.04 | sponix | ritmo: quit using auto-login on your user :) |
| 21:45.14 | wannamakesymbiot | ./msg NickServ REGISTER FUCKINBITCHASS agatas@protonmail.com |
| 21:45.28 | wannamakesymbiot | excellent |
| 21:45.38 | wannamakesymbiot | so without space or with space?? |
| 21:46.04 | wannamakesymbiot | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.11 | wannamakesymbiot | not even with space :(/ |
| 21:46.13 | ritmo | What do you mean quit using autologin |
| 21:46.20 | sponix | ritmo: if you want not be prompted, you can set that keyring to a blank passwd -- poor for security, but effective |
| 21:46.20 | wannamakesymbiot | :/ |
| 21:46.21 | ritmo | I never use autologin on anything |
| 21:46.57 | sponix | ritmo: Oh, well then if you set the keyring passwd to your user password, it should also quit prompting |
| 21:47.00 | ritmo | I would actually prefer to have strong security if possible. What does this keyring protect. The passwords saved in chrome? |
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| 21:47.12 | ksk | !ops wannamakesymbiot |
| 21:47.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: ksk complains about a problem (see above) |
| 21:47.16 | jhutchins | ritmo: Try setting a blank password. There's something that fixes it, but I had to try multiple things. |
| 21:48.10 | ritmo | as sponix just said setting it blank is a weak option |
| 21:48.27 | wannamakesymbiot | ok so trullz I dont get this irc at all I dont like it, I would like to use it as hexchat or whatever freaking bullshit that would be easy to set the nickname and that would stay logged in, I only want to get registration for one channel to get help, is there any option to get this done please? |
| 21:48.45 | sponix | ritmo: you can put it as your user pass, and it will use that from your system login, and likely quit asking also |
| 21:49.05 | ritmo | I think that's the only password it accept correct? |
| 21:49.12 | ritmo | i tried a few all are wrong.. so.. |
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| 21:49.28 | sponix | ritmo: that is likely what it is looking for |
| 21:49.39 | ritmo | You know what it's doing? |
| 21:49.43 | ritmo | Why does firefox never ask me that |
| 21:50.16 | sponix | ritmo: FF manages the passwords differently |
| 21:50.50 | sponix | ritmo: you can type "keyring" in your app launcher thingy, and bring the keyring gui up, to see what it is doing |
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| 21:51.16 | ritmo | withing chromium? |
| 21:51.25 | ritmo | within* |
| 21:51.35 | sponix | ritmo: within the OS itself. Might be called "passwords and keys" or something similar |
| 21:51.43 | sponix | gnome-keyring |
| 21:51.55 | sponix | depends on your desktop environment of choice |
| 21:51.57 | ritmo | if i search in the whisker menu nothing comes up |
| 21:52.01 | ritmo | im on xfce debian 10.2 |
| 21:52.15 | ritmo | passwords keys both words output nothing :D |
| 21:52.18 | sponix | odd |
| 21:52.34 | ritmo | terminal? |
| 21:52.50 | sponix | Not sure |
| 21:53.04 | ritmo | when i type gnome-keyring i get this: |
| 21:53.04 | ritmo | usage: gnome-keyring command [options] |
| 21:53.04 | ritmo | commands: certificate-exception |
| 21:53.04 | ritmo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.04 | ritmo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:53.54 | ritmo | ffs :D |
| 21:54.13 | ritmo | my first time here sry i never use irc |
| 21:54.20 | sponix | Hate to say this, but I spend more time on Mint, and MX -- and they both have a keyring gui thing by default |
| 21:54.29 | ritmo | ahh ok |
| 21:54.40 | sponix | ritmo: you could try installing and running that gnome-keyring though -- pretty sure that is the one Mint uses |
| 21:55.03 | ritmo | trying to figure out the name of the gui rn |
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| 21:56.28 | ritmo | k can't find it |
| 21:56.30 | ritmo | bg |
| 21:56.59 | sponix | ritmo: should just be able to "sudo apt install gnome-keyring" and then find it in the menu |
| 21:57.47 | ritmo | it is installed on my system but when i type in menu i dont get a visual icon or so |
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| 22:01.16 | sponix2ipfw | ritmo: log out and back in |
| 22:01.33 | ritmo | nah i mean it was always installed |
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| 22:01.56 | ritmo | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 22:02.26 | ritmo | but i have no UI for it.. |
| 22:02.41 | ritmo | i think it's like that on Debian, i only use Debian for like a week now |
| 22:02.55 | ritmo | Need to fix a lot of stuff and add a lot of stuff and it feels quite outdated but somehow i love it ^^ |
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| 22:11.13 | ritmo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.31 | ritmo | sponix jhutchins are you still here? |
| 22:11.38 | H2Q | hello, why does mariadb show debian 10.4 as 'the latest', and 10.3 as 'old stable' when debian's own release page shows 10.2. as the current? |
| 22:12.04 | sponix | ritmo: nope |
| 22:12.14 | ritmo | I encountered the error again |
| 22:12.23 | ritmo | after installing my extensions |
| 22:12.24 | sponix | ,v mariadb |
| 22:12.26 | judd | No package named 'mariadb' was found in amd64. |
| 22:12.36 | ritmo | https everywhere and ublock |
| 22:13.04 | sponix | ritmo: lol, then you know the error is caused by one of those two extensions -- right ? |
| 22:13.06 | H2Q | mariadb-server is the pkg name |
| 22:13.12 | sponix | H2Q: thanks |
| 22:13.18 | sponix | ,v mariadb-server |
| 22:13.19 | judd | Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie: 10.0.32-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.38-0+deb8u1; stretch-security: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 10.1.37-0+deb9u1; stretch: 10.1.41-0+deb9u1; buster: 1:10.3.18-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 1:10.3.21-2; sid: 1:10.3.21-2 |
| 22:13.27 | ritmo | Yes.. |
| 22:13.43 | H2Q | but my question was different |
| 22:13.46 | ritmo | but i do not get this error on Xubuntu 19 |
| 22:13.53 | ritmo | with those extensions installed |
| 22:13.54 | ritmo | oO |
| 22:14.17 | H2Q | https://debian.org/releases/buster |
| 22:14.19 | H2Q | shows 10.2. |
| 22:14.20 | sponix | ritmo: maybe that is what you should be running then, if so concerned :) |
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| 22:14.37 | sponix | ritmo: tried it with the regular "Chrome" ? |
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| 22:15.19 | ritmo | I mean, i just try to make sense of it. I'm a real debian noobie and i have a x220 that i installed it on like a week ago |
| 22:15.26 | H2Q | a package offers download for a distro version that users don't have yet? |
| 22:15.32 | ritmo | and i try to make it secure so i can use it as my daily driver |
| 22:16.55 | sponix | ritmo: other than browser malware that made me roll a fresh FF profile ... I've been using Linux since 1995 and haven't had issues. And I don't worry about nearly as much as you are right now :) |
| 22:17.30 | sponix | ritmo: Out of the box, just punch the update button weekly or so.. Linux does better than most anything you are going to find |
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| 22:18.42 | ritmo | I guess so, but have you been trying to protect your cryptocurrency and online trading on live systems for the last 3 years? :D |
| 22:19.05 | ritmo | i def worry too much but better safe than sorry i guess |
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| 22:21.51 | H2Q | responsiveness is understood at bot level |
| 22:21.52 | H2Q | great |
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| 22:23.37 | sponix | ritmo: I've played with crypto lol |
| 22:24.17 | sponix | ritmo: putting that stuff in a VM that you can snapshot, power off, and so forth has always seemed like a good option for me |
| 22:24.36 | sponix | as far as the wallets go |
| 22:24.39 | ksk | if the amount of crypto in USD exceeds the value of a hardware ledge, you should buy one ;) |
| 22:24.48 | ritmo | sponix just yes |
| 22:24.50 | ritmo | :P |
| 22:25.05 | sponix | ksk: that is also a good recommendation |
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| 22:27.50 | ritmo | i have like 5 hardware wallets cause i test them all the time |
| 22:27.59 | ritmo | coldcards are cool ^_^ |
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| 22:50.02 | jhutchins | whowas H2Q |
| 22:52.15 | jhutchins | If anybody's wondering, H2Q was looking at the Maria version numbers, not the Debian version numbers. |
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| 23:00.26 | Gerowen | What is the approved method for checking whether a hard drive spins down when not in use? A USB external one in this case. |
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| 23:02.22 | ritmo | spins down? |
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| 23:02.52 | ratrace | Gerowen: maybe with hdparm |
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| 23:03.10 | Gerowen | ritmo: Yeah, like when a drive is not in use, I want it to spin down so it's not just sitting there running when it's not being used. |
| 23:03.20 | n1c0de | Hi! (Gnome Shell Extension) How to set the label of a PopupSwitchMenuItem after creating the object ? "switch.set_label('myLabel');" |
| 23:03.20 | n1c0de | https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/blob/master/js/ui/popupMenu.js#L330 |
| 23:03.29 | Gerowen | ratrace: That's what I was thinking, but I've never fooled with it. I'll have to read up on it because I don't even know if it's a service, a command you can issue, etc. |
| 23:04.58 | ratrace | Gerowen: command and package of that name |
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| 23:23.35 | gvth | Hi; I have a question regarding pinging a server when WiFi is being used. When I ping a server, occasionally I get this as output: "ping: sendmsg: No buffer space available". Which buffer is filled and how can I avoid that? |
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| 23:27.27 | Gerowen | Apparently there are some factory default settings for it to spin down, so I'm going to leave it alone unless I notice it's not spinning down. |
| 23:30.41 | sponix2ipfw | gvth: don't use wifi |
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| 23:36.50 | terr_ | If anyone cares.... looks like you can install windows in an extended partition - you just need an NTFS primary for the boot loader (which in my case will be GRUB) |
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| 23:46.14 | terr_ | Question - and I think I know the answer. If I install debian and related partitions as logical partitions in an extended partition will this affect performance. I think not. |
| 23:47.07 | ratrace | terr_: it won't. but why not use GPT |
| 23:47.33 | Luser0 | @ratrace but that would be too useful |
| 23:48.09 | ratrace | this ain't twitter yo |
| 23:48.23 | ratrace | !@ |
| 23:48.24 | dpkg | @ is used to separate the username from the hostname in an email address, to denote channel operators on IRC, and to direct comments to particular users in some web forums. It is NOT used to direct comments on IRC; use "name: ..." instead of "@name ...". |
| 23:49.03 | Luser0 | twitter? no I know more of MUD than twitter |
| 23:49.17 | Luser0 | Understood, the same |
| 23:49.26 | ratrace | DikuMUD I think had @, yeah |
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| 23:50.48 | Luser0 | Moo.. the original |
| 23:51.16 | ratrace | good old times |
| 23:52.02 | Luser0 | Well, Moo fracked Emacs when you compiled them together... yikes |
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| 23:52.51 | Luser0 | But, if you had the right web.... you could find objects that should never have been constructed. |
| 23:53.59 | Luser0 | Wasn't this one of the reasons Debian avoided any of the objects, pragmas or client types with relation to Standford originally? |
| 23:54.11 | Luser0 | Stanford** |
| 23:54.14 | ratrace | what! |
| 23:55.03 | Luser0 | Beside not accepting any of the mutated frameworks from Microsoft, initially. Avoiding object trees into Knuth ... excepting Lex was a basic tenet, no? |
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| 23:55.28 | Luser0 | All ancient history, now. |
| 23:55.56 | Luser0 | Most of those developers are six feet under, also. |
| 23:56.42 | terr_ | ratrace, I wanted to. BUT. I read 32 bit windows 7 cannot access GPT. I have TWO machines I am working on right now - and both are 32 bit. (others are 64) and I see on the 2nd machine that the HDD in fact has a 16 MB partition labeled EFI. It is not being used. There is also a 100 GB NTFS partition that ALSO is not being used. |
| 23:58.13 | terr_ | rare_energy, on the other system I see a 100 MB NTFS also not being used. What are these for? On one machine its "system reserved" and on hte other its not labeled |
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