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| 00:00.54 | yyyaaarrr91 | msg zazagx lol |
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| 00:18.41 | Azlux | Is anyone know debconfig ? I have difficulties to get resultat from db_get : https://azlux.fr/bin/?f050092d3810d36f#Hfjfmh7PdMRzgRJXC3WzPRokbMhZ1zFLiCJwur5xRf1J |
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| 00:29.38 | themill | Azlux: how are you testing this? |
| 00:30.25 | Azlux | themill: srry, here the full script |
| 00:30.26 | Azlux | https://azlux.fr/bin/?a48505b6f5c191fb#HzZyNi73XtoMvLSRGivtkPZLjVWL1NDSQP1pfzijjyYf |
| 00:30.47 | Azlux | I clone, copy usefull files, build the .deb and try to install |
| 00:31.09 | Azlux | I get a prompt, enter a string, but db_get don't populate $RET |
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| 00:32.48 | Azlux | you can run the script, it's only get you a binary (colorfull netstat command) |
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| 00:38.51 | Azlux | with debug mode enable, I can see the line "debconf (developer): <-- GET sss/question" and the next line give my string |
| 00:39.04 | themill | have you verified that the postinst is being run (add set -x) ? Try seeing what debconf is doing with export DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer DEBIAN_FRONTEND=readline |
| 00:39.09 | themill | ok |
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| 00:39.57 | themill | (always have set -e and set -u in maintainer scripts btw) |
| 00:41.10 | themill | oh, the echo will get eaten because stdout and debconf are doing a thing |
| 00:41.26 | themill | if you must, you can echo in stderr |
| 00:41.32 | themill | or after the db_stop |
| 00:44.07 | Azlux | ho, it's only a varibale issue ? |
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| 00:53.37 | Azlux | themill: if a do an echo $RET > /txt , empty :( |
| 00:54.27 | Azlux | and set -u, in my case said : RET: unbound variable |
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| 01:03.36 | OneM_Industries | So, I have a machine that is refusing to connect to the network after cross-grading. |
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| 01:05.49 | OneM_Industries | Well, let me rephrase. |
| 01:06.07 | OneM_Industries | It will connect to the local network, but will not reach the internet. |
| 01:07.08 | themill | Azlux: at least you know where to look now ;) can you pastebin the entire output with set -x and DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer DEBIAN_FRONTEND=readline? |
| 01:07.42 | sponix | OneM_Industries: what is "cross-grading" ? |
| 01:07.43 | Azlux | themill: https://azlux.fr/bin/?2a51bffcea85982f#4zARcXRy93zeeC6sLJo1jAbRzDpLYibScCi2M9Ck1FHV |
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| 01:08.19 | Azlux | I run it with : export DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer DEBIAN_FRONTEND=readline; ./script_file.sh |
| 01:08.48 | OneM_Industries | sponix: https://wiki.debian.org/CrossGrading |
| 01:09.08 | OneM_Industries | Basically, the horribly brutal method of dragging an install from 32 to 64 bit. |
| 01:09.22 | themill | Azlux: btw what debconf question are you planning to ask? |
| 01:09.59 | Azlux | themill: text is not set, but I will ask for command to run to put on my systemd service. |
| 01:10.10 | sponix | OneM_Industries: why on earth would you do such a thing ? |
| 01:10.37 | OneM_Industries | I had a 32 bit install. I wanted a 64 bit install. I didn't want to reinstall from scratch, so I did that instead. |
| 01:10.55 | themill | Azlux: this looks to be a convenience package for your own amusement, but in general asking debconf questions just isn't worth it. They're mostly annoying. |
| 01:10.55 | OneM_Industries | And it worked, the machine does boot. |
| 01:11.16 | OneM_Industries | However, it no longer connects to the internet, so. |
| 01:12.49 | Azlux | themill: in my case, on my final package , I need it, because the software require lot of parameters. So I need to ask them |
| 01:13.11 | Azlux | (the solftware on the script isn't the final one) |
| 01:13.17 | themill | that's a pity |
| 01:13.46 | sponix | OneM_Industries: umm, maybe with change in arch the ethernet device got a different device name ? |
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| 01:14.04 | OneM_Industries | It's still eth2. |
| 01:14.07 | sponix | OneM_Industries: like simple eth0 is now ensop3 and stuff instead |
| 01:14.17 | OneM_Industries | I can ping my router, just not anything on the net. |
| 01:14.37 | sponix | OneM_Industries: really, I thought Debian switched to the new dumb naming scheme also |
| 01:14.43 | themill | Azlux: oh, $RET is being expanded in your echo to create the postinst file itself |
| 01:14.44 | dvs | OneM_Industries, can you ping an IP address? |
| 01:14.56 | sponix | OneM_Industries: Is this Debian 10 ? Probably not |
| 01:15.04 | themill | Azlux: this really is the nastiest possible way of creating a Debian package btw |
| 01:15.21 | OneM_Industries | dvs: No. sponix: 8.11, and yes the next step is to upgrade to 9, then 10. |
| 01:15.25 | sponix | dvs: good play |
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| 01:15.42 | sponix | OneM_Industries: try ping -c 1 8.8.4.4 and see if it responds |
| 01:16.04 | sponix | dvs: take it you think just his dns might be broken |
| 01:16.24 | dvs | yup |
| 01:16.32 | OneM_Industries | "connect: Network is unreachable" |
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| 01:20.01 | OneM_Industries | Any ideas? |
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| 01:23.57 | MolestChildren | is debian compatible with all the same applications as gentoo? |
| 01:24.23 | NetEcho | well that's quite the username |
| 01:24.44 | MolestChildren | my username represents the freedom of speech |
| 01:24.54 | MolestChildren | it is not for you to dictate my username |
| 01:26.08 | Azlux | themill: I see that, the script interpret the variable instead of writing the variable name |
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| 01:26.49 | Azlux | I just need <<'EOL' instead of <<EOL |
| 01:27.13 | Azlux | themill: I know it not the best way, but for this project I want to have a all-in-one script. |
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| 01:28.15 | Azlux | themill: thank for the help, writing code all the day make me miss some basics like that |
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| 01:29.20 | themill | Azlux: no worries. The all in one script doesn't sound like a particularly nice way of doing anything... all the pain of rpm spec files brought to debian FTL. |
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| 01:31.14 | Azlux | I can sleep with peace of mind |
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| 01:38.02 | someone_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.06 | someone_ | I have tried testdisk but it did not show the files on the damaged partation but it shows other files on other partitions, so Is ddrescue useful to copy and recover the data form that partion? |
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| 01:50.04 | OneM_Industries | dvs: It's looking more like a possible firmware issue from where I'm sitting, but I have been known to be wrong often. |
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| 01:51.35 | dvs | OneM_Industries, oh? it's a wireless connection? Which wireless chipset? |
| 01:51.42 | OneM_Industries | It's ethernet. |
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| 01:52.38 | dvs | firmware for ethernet? That's rare. |
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| 01:52.52 | OneM_Industries | However, when I pull the link up (ifconfig eth2 up), it complains about failing to load "rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw (-2)". |
| 01:52.59 | OneM_Industries | That might be nothing, I don't know. |
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| 01:53.42 | OneM_Industries | It also doesn't appear to be pulling an address via DHCP. |
| 01:53.56 | themill | that's in firmware-realtek if that helps |
| 01:54.14 | dvs | was upstaged!! |
| 01:54.14 | themill | Have you verified that you still have a dhcp client installed and that it is running? |
| 01:54.25 | OneM_Industries | I'd install it, but you know..no internet. ;P |
| 01:54.30 | OneM_Industries | Let me check. |
| 01:54.42 | themill | usb sticks are a thing |
| 01:57.12 | OneM_Industries | Stupid question. How would I check to see if the machine still has a dhcp client? |
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| 01:58.49 | OneM_Industries | I'm guessing it doesn't. |
| 01:59.09 | themill | check the process list for "dhclient" is a good start |
| 01:59.52 | themill | "systemctl status isc-dhcp-server" will give some info on its status. |
| 02:00.36 | themill | how do you normally configure the network? via /etc/network/interfaces or via network-manager or ...? |
| 02:00.47 | OneM_Industries | No dchp client. |
| 02:01.10 | OneM_Industries | This machine is command line only, and it was/is/should be a static IP anyway. |
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| 02:01.27 | OneM_Industries | And /etc/network/interfaces, yes. |
| 02:01.40 | themill | And you've checked "ip a" and it's still eth2 and that's still what you've got in /e/n/interfaces |
| 02:01.54 | OneM_Industries | Yep, eth2. |
| 02:01.59 | themill | oh, if it's supposed to be static ip, why did you expect a dhcp lease? |
| 02:02.25 | OneM_Industries | Because I pulled it off of static lease to see if that was part of it. |
| 02:02.36 | themill | ok |
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| 02:03.50 | OneM_Industries | I can set the IP manually using ifconfig, but it's still not got internet connectivity. |
| 02:04.01 | jjakob | rtl8168? Oh, those are an absolute pain in the arse. |
| 02:04.10 | OneM_Industries | Lovely. |
| 02:04.32 | jjakob | Some work with the standard r8169 in kernel module |
| 02:05.01 | jjakob | Most I've had to install r8168-dkms to get them to work |
| 02:05.35 | OneM_Industries | Odd part is, this machine has 2 NICs, and it's not even seeing the second one. |
| 02:05.49 | OneM_Industries | (And yes, I made sure I'm plugged into the right one. >.>) |
| 02:06.21 | jjakob | it's best when you're doing a remote machine upgrade, you reboot it and the network never comes back up cause dkms forgot to build the module for the new kernel |
| 02:06.40 | OneM_Industries | Nice. |
| 02:06.41 | jjakob | I had the same behavior with 2 nics too |
| 02:06.52 | OneM_Industries | Want me to pull the second one? |
| 02:07.07 | jjakob | no, not seeing it I mean |
| 02:07.13 | OneM_Industries | Ah, ok. |
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| 02:07.43 | jjakob | I think I had to cold reboot to fix that |
| 02:08.17 | OneM_Industries | It's not that important that the second one work if we can't even get the first to do anything. ;P |
| 02:08.43 | jjakob | pull the power plug until the standby power rail completely discharged, like a minute, a normal shutdown didnt work |
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| 02:09.24 | jjakob | Yeah isn't it already established you need firmware? |
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| 02:09.45 | OneM_Industries | Pretty sure. I can get a connection to the local network, just nothing further. |
| 02:10.09 | jjakob | apt-cache policy firmware-realtek |
| 02:10.24 | OneM_Industries | I can ping my main machine or the router, but ping 8.8.8.8 fails with "connect: Network is unreachable". |
| 02:10.47 | jjakob | missing route then |
| 02:10.57 | OneM_Industries | Installed: (none) |
| 02:11.10 | jjakob | ip route -n |
| 02:11.21 | jjakob | do you have a default via? |
| 02:11.55 | OneM_Industries | 'Command "-n" is unknown, try "ip route help".' |
| 02:12.13 | jjakob | meh just ip route then |
| 02:12.49 | jjakob | probably "ip route add default via <your.router.i.p> |
| 02:13.17 | OneM_Industries | 192.168.11.0/24 dev eth2 proto kernel scope link src 192.18.11.112 |
| 02:13.43 | jjakob | that's the subnet route |
| 02:13.53 | jjakob | you need a default route |
| 02:13.56 | OneM_Industries | jjakobL You are a brilliant human being, thank you. |
| 02:14.00 | OneM_Industries | It works! |
| 02:14.12 | jjakob | awesome |
| 02:14.34 | jjakob | now find out why it wasnt added |
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| 02:14.52 | jjakob | If dhcp client should add it or no |
| 02:15.27 | OneM_Industries | Yeah. |
| 02:15.31 | wodencafe | [16:55] <parsival> wodencafe: hey now! |
| 02:15.37 | wodencafe | Y hello there |
| 02:15.45 | jjakob | are you using the network manager gui per chance |
| 02:15.46 | OneM_Industries | Also to figure out what all else broke while cross-grading... |
| 02:15.52 | OneM_Industries | jjakob: CLI only. |
| 02:16.01 | jjakob | oh |
| 02:16.35 | OneM_Industries | I'm using this thing as a basic webserver and fileserver, no need for a desktop. ;P |
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| 02:22.11 | jjakob | you probably don't need the r8168 driver or firmware then, or maybe it could make the 2nd nic work |
| 02:22.24 | jjakob | What is cross-grading anyways |
| 02:24.25 | OneM_Industries | Going from 32 to 64 bit without reinstalling. |
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| 03:23.08 | karlpinc` | OneM_Industries: I'd have re-installed, but I'm a wuss. |
| 03:23.15 | karlpinc` | !aptitude clone |
| 03:23.16 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 03:26.00 | OneM_Industries | karlpinc: I'm a) A stubborn git b) wanted to learn how hard it would be. |
| 03:26.24 | OneM_Industries | Answer: Not as bad as I was expecting, not as easy as I was hoping. |
| 03:26.47 | OneM_Industries | Still haven't been about to get nextcloud to come back up. |
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| 03:30.51 | classico | hola |
| 03:30.54 | classico | hello |
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| 03:32.55 | annadane | hi classico |
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| 03:33.34 | classico | how i add repositories ? |
| 03:34.19 | classico | i want to do this: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:noobslab/apps |
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| 04:00.30 | annadane | classico, don't add PPAs |
| 04:00.38 | annadane | !ppa |
| 04:00.38 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
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| 04:01.32 | annadane | PPAs are an ubuntu thing, not debian |
| 04:01.47 | OerHeks | the apps are dated, btw .. https://launchpad.net/~noobslab/+archive/ubuntu/apps |
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| 05:19.29 | oxek | Is it still a bad idea to run btrfs in debian in production? |
| 05:20.50 | nkuttler | depends on your use case, but if you have to ask, yes |
| 05:21.35 | dka | I am trying to format a X1 Carbon gen 2 on Debian 10, I have a bootable USB key that I have used and tested on another computer. When I choose Graphical install, it just hang. How can I do ? |
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| 05:22.00 | dka | I have reset default bios settings |
| 05:22.02 | dka | still the same |
| 05:22.08 | dka | should I have UEFI mode both ? or UEFI only ? |
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| 05:22.12 | dka | should I have secure boot disabled ? |
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| 05:27.37 | oxek | alternatively, is it a good idea to run ZFS in debian yet? |
| 05:27.56 | oxek | usecase for me is: I want a checksumming filesystem |
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| 05:51.16 | jm_ | oxek: haven't seen your previous lines, just saw last two - seeing as everything is in place to use it, why not? |
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| 06:17.56 | parsival | hello all |
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| 06:24.43 | parsival | anyone wanna chat? |
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| 06:26.13 | JackFrost | parsival: This is the support channel for Debian, if you want a social channel you may wish to try out #debian-offtopic. |
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| 06:36.17 | parsival | JackFrost: thank u |
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| 06:50.55 | Freekid | why my /home is changing from 777 to something else everytime i restart my server? |
| 06:51.19 | tarzeau | Freekid: because you don't want a /home to be 777 |
| 06:51.26 | jm_ | why would you use mode 777 for /home anyway |
| 06:51.43 | Freekid | I want because i want |
| 06:51.53 | Freekid | to access samba |
| 06:51.59 | Freekid | from windows |
| 06:52.06 | tarzeau | Freekid: then you'll have to figure out where it's set and fix that. |
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| 06:52.30 | Freekid | where it is set by default? |
| 06:52.32 | tarzeau | has got 0755 root:root |
| 06:52.52 | tarzeau | Freekid: on the filesystem? what does your /etc/fstab say? what filesystem do you use? |
| 06:53.53 | Freekid | ext4? |
| 06:54.18 | Freekid | UUID=b87c3279-5921-47a2-99b5-11c717b8a1ab /home |
| 06:54.23 | tarzeau | Freekid: it's mounted now, and you say chmod 777 /home ? and later it's not that anymore? |
| 06:54.38 | Freekid | chmod -R /home |
| 06:54.43 | tarzeau | ugh |
| 06:54.49 | Freekid | later when i restart it changes |
| 06:55.06 | tarzeau | Freekid: but you're not using ssh or gpg keys at all any of the users in your /home ? |
| 06:55.08 | Freekid | and I cant access samba share /home |
| 06:55.48 | Freekid | ssh keys? |
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| 06:57.49 | Freekid | Is there any way to stop it changing? |
| 06:58.09 | Freekid | something other permission that will stay and work |
| 06:58.10 | tarzeau | Freekid: do you have a .ssh or .gnupg directory in your $HOME ? |
| 06:58.25 | Freekid | wait i have to see |
| 06:58.55 | tarzeau | Freekid: usually things just work, the question is what and when it changes, if you do you don't want the chmod 777 -R , since it'll break ssh from working |
| 06:59.19 | Freekid | no there is no .ssh in /home or in /home/user |
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| 07:00.04 | tarzeau | Freekid: keep having this run: watch -n1 "ls -lad /home" |
| 07:00.09 | tarzeau | Freekid: and watch it when it changes |
| 07:00.29 | tarzeau | can also replace the ls -lad with stat |
| 07:00.32 | Freekid | but ssh is working with 777 enabled, when I restart the server it 777 goes back to something else and I cant access /home via samba untill i do chmod 777 again |
| 07:01.04 | tarzeau | Freekid: i was refering to ssh with keys :) |
| 07:01.14 | Freekid | no keys |
| 07:01.20 | tarzeau | well then, no worries |
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| 07:03.13 | Freekid | so I run it and keep watching? |
| 07:03.26 | tarzeau | Freekid: yeah but it seems the change happens only at reboot, right? |
| 07:03.31 | Freekid | yes |
| 07:03.47 | tarzeau | Freekid: what runs at reboot? some mount commands from within systemd right? |
| 07:04.29 | Freekid | I don't know everything is a default mode |
| 07:04.44 | tarzeau | Freekid: can you stat /home and check the times, and correlate them to dmesg -T output after the reboot? |
| 07:04.53 | tarzeau | that *might* give you a hint |
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| 07:06.21 | Freekid | yes there is changes |
| 07:06.33 | jm_ | maybe journalctl output, not dmesg output? |
| 07:07.47 | Freekid | I don't get it who gave debian permission over me to change it what I have changed! |
| 07:08.14 | jm_ | super cows give it that permission |
| 07:08.55 | tarzeau | Freekid: how are you sure it's debian and not an author of some software? |
| 07:09.10 | Freekid | oh right! |
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| 07:17.03 | nibzAU | hello. I am running kali linux because mr remote is a cool tv show :).. anyhow.. i have dwonloaded a tar.gz file of which i have extracted, there is an executable file inside which runs the program... can anyone help /direct me in the right way to have thsi program launchable from the applications list? |
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| 07:18.56 | Rico | hello. Currently using debian buster & kernel 4.19, I need to roll back to 4.14. is there a way to do that via apt ? |
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| 07:20.48 | nevivurn | !kali |
| 07:20.49 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 07:22.08 | jm_ | rico: buster has no 4.14 kernel, why do you need to do that? |
| 07:22.29 | Rico | jm_: because it seems there is a bug with 4.19 and ipv6 FIB forwarding |
| 07:22.41 | Rico | https://www.prolixium.com/blog?id=1041 |
| 07:22.42 | jm_ | Rico: and 5.3 kernel does not solve it? |
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| 07:23.08 | Rico | I don't know, but I'm pretty sure 4.14 solves it :p |
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| 07:23.53 | jm_ | Rico: that blog post has interesting comments starting with Update 4 2019-11-17, try that |
| 07:25.07 | Rico | jm_: what is the best way to upgrade to kernel 5 ? use sid ? |
| 07:25.32 | jm_ | Rico: no, it's available in backports |
| 07:25.36 | jm_ | judd: kernels |
| 07:25.37 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.5.0-rc5-686 (5.5~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 5.4.0-2-686 (5.4.8-1); bullseye: 5.4.0-2-686 (5.4.8-1); buster-backports: 5.3.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.3.9-2~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae |
| 07:25.38 | Rico | ok, thanks |
| 07:25.39 | judd | (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2~deb8u1) |
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| 07:34.40 | McErroneous | are there any 3rd party mirror-sites for github-repositories .... ? |
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| 07:39.56 | McErroneous | so calling ftp insecure ... works..., in order to create a software-monopol ... |
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| 07:40.40 | jelly | McErroneous: git never worked over ftp. |
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| 07:42.49 | mirazi_heket | hello, i have installed chrony on debian 8 but it keeps listening on ipv6, i put DAEMON_OPTS='-4' in /etc/default/chrony but that does not make difference (it does on ubuntu 19.10 though) |
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| 07:46.39 | jm_ | and you see it running with option -4? |
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| 07:53.44 | McErroneous | !chrony ? |
| 07:53.45 | dpkg | chrony is, like, a ntp program that is split into 2 parts: a daemon (chronyd) and a client that interfaces into the server (chronyc). For more information visit: http://chrony.sunsite.dk/. Warning, you most likely will have to change your chrony.conf file after installing by adding some servers and removing the offline tag. |
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| 07:55.38 | McErroneous | Have you heard that is was said : "Never touch a running System" ? Is this some kind of old-school IT wisdom.. for fools ? |
| 07:56.08 | McErroneous | that it was said... |
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| 08:15.10 | mirazi_heket | right now it's not running with -4, i'm thinking of modifying /etc/init.d/chrony script, because apparently you can't pass options into it like in ubuntu (without modifying stuff too heavily) |
| 08:15.46 | jm_ | have you restarted the chronyd.service after editing /etc/default/chrony? |
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| 08:26.40 | mirazi_heket | yes of course |
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| 08:27.58 | jm_ | does «systemctl reload chronyd.service && systemctl restart chronyd.service» help? if not, does «systemctl daemon-reload && systemctl restart chronyd.service» help? |
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| 08:30.12 | jm_ | (if you have rebooted since editing the file then don't bother testing the above commands) |
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| 08:47.44 | mirazi_heket | no, it doesn't help |
| 08:48.18 | mirazi_heket | i have noticed debian uses directly init.d files from systemd, where ubuntu uses script-wrapper from systemd |
| 08:48.34 | mirazi_heket | so this ubuntu's wrapper is able to take additional parameters |
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| 08:49.26 | zamuro | !ubuntu |
| 08:49.27 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 08:49.52 | jm_ | I just tried it, I edited /etc/default/chrony, added -4 and restarted chrony.service (I used wrong unit name in my commands) and it works just fine |
| 08:50.59 | tangarora | someone might have mentioned in some documentation that the debian installer will only execute the very last d-i late command it finds in the preseed file! |
| 08:51.09 | tangarora | That was 8 hours out of my life. |
| 08:51.51 | tangarora | remember this nugget now when others come and ask why late commands are ignored in preseed |
| 08:51.56 | jm_ | that's the same as we discussed yesterday about early_command - it would be nice if documentation explicitely stated that (heck, more documentation would be nice :) |
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| 09:00.26 | mirazi_heket | sigh, wanted to ask jm_ to share his /etc/default/chrony file |
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| 09:02.30 | mirazi_heket | and on what debian version he tested |
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| 09:07.22 | tehnull | so after a kernel update a while back this happened https://postimg.cc/CRL84FqS |
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| 09:07.46 | tehnull | my grub entry is using the correct uuid |
| 09:08.04 | tehnull | tried update-grub to no avail |
| 09:08.39 | tehnull | unfortunately I'm at a bit of a loss and I really wanna try escape from tarkov but haven't been able to boot to windows for months |
| 09:10.42 | mirazi_heket | anyone care to check something for me on debian9? namely contents of file chrony.service (systemd service) after installing chrony package |
| 09:10.59 | mirazi_heket | i suspect config difference between debian versions |
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| 09:13.53 | tehnull | I'm going to try booting the drive direct from bios if that doesn't work then clearly my windows install borked itself somehow |
| 09:15.32 | jelly | mirazi_heket: after you restart the service, do you see the desired command line parameter in ps -fe | grep chrony ? |
| 09:16.03 | mirazi_heket | nope |
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| 09:24.41 | tehnull | well booting the windows install directly via bios worked as evidenced by the delay caused by windows updates |
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| 09:25.08 | tehnull | so it's something with grub but I'm a total grub noobie |
| 09:26.09 | mirazi_heket | @tehnull you can always try https://lutris.net/games/escape-from-tarkov/ |
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| 09:26.29 | mirazi_heket | tehnull: ^ |
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| 09:27.40 | tehnull | I mean I could |
| 09:28.00 | tehnull | or I could just boot my custom gimped windows install that's really only good for gaming |
| 09:28.57 | mirazi_heket | from my viewpoint, if you do play only 1 game and its working on linux, its not worth to keep windows |
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| 09:29.27 | tehnull | I was in the steam beta lol |
| 09:29.32 | tehnull | I have a LOT of games |
| 09:29.41 | tehnull | and play a lot of them |
| 09:30.06 | tehnull | but have only been playing stuff that runs native for past few months because of this grub problem |
| 09:30.16 | tehnull | not sure why it broke all the sudden |
| 09:30.27 | tehnull | I've done update-grub in the past and it fixed it |
| 09:30.47 | tehnull | now it isn't even though nothing has changed but a kernel update |
| 09:31.00 | tehnull | maybe grub2 was updated iunno |
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| 09:31.18 | Haohmaru | i stopped playing games pretty much.. now i design (cough) circuits, which is sorta like a game of multiple snakez |
| 09:31.52 | strongestAvenger | hi guys, on a debian-based os (parrotos) i have a malfunctioning upgrade on the SET package. Please advice? |
| 09:31.53 | strongestAvenger | dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/set_8.0.1+git20190924-0kali1_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 09:31.53 | dpkg | strongestavenger: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 09:31.55 | strongestAvenger | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:32.34 | tarzeau | strongestAvenger: there exist no set package in debian |
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| 09:32.47 | Haohmaru | strongestAvenger so it's not a Debian then |
| 09:33.07 | Haohmaru | 784397843983489 distributions are "debian-based" and they aren't Debian |
| 09:33.35 | jm_ | !parrot |
| 09:33.36 | dpkg | Parrot Linux is a distribution based on <testing> for security experts, developers and privacy aware people. It is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Support can be found in #parrotsec on Freenode or the community pages https://docs.parrotlinux.org/community. Ask me about <based on debian> and <parrot-overnight>. If you are new to linux, try using Debian: http://www.debian.org. |
| 09:33.42 | jm_ | strongestAvenger ^^^^^ |
| 09:35.22 | strongestAvenger | ok ok |
| 09:35.25 | strongestAvenger | sorry |
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| 09:55.54 | McErroneous | i feel like the constant updates are ruining my linux experience... |
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| 09:57.24 | McErroneous | worst is when software is no longer available..., or new websites get inaccessable due to new standarts.. |
| 09:57.42 | McErroneous | like github.. |
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| 09:58.48 | Haohmaru | what constant updates? |
| 09:59.12 | McErroneous | ^ |
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| 11:47.21 | Dr_Q | Hi, I would like to become a DD |
| 11:47.58 | diogenes_ | Dr_Q, why not a DevOps? |
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| 11:48.45 | Dr_Q | I was a DevOps sometime ago |
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| 12:09.47 | giantmidget | test |
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| 12:10.07 | giantmidget | hey lads anyone know the equivalent of the sysctl command in debian 10? |
| 12:10.24 | Haohmaru | sysctl? |
| 12:10.36 | zamuro | systemctl, I suppose. |
| 12:10.38 | Haohmaru | sounds like a lazy version of systemctl? |
| 12:10.44 | beardy | It is not. |
| 12:10.46 | giantmidget | sysctl -w <var>=<val> |
| 12:11.04 | Haohmaru | where's that from? |
| 12:11.19 | giantmidget | I can change the variables manually through /etc/sysctl.conf, but that'll require a reboot |
| 12:11.28 | giantmidget | well for instance : |
| 12:11.34 | giantmidget | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8290046/icmp-sockets-linux |
| 12:11.36 | Habbie | i trust it could also be done with a systemctl restart of the right service |
| 12:11.38 | Habbie | instead of a full reboot |
| 12:11.40 | Habbie | but reboots are good fo ryou |
| 12:11.42 | beardy | giantmidget: It's just there. Be root. |
| 12:11.44 | zamuro | https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/procps/sysctl.8.en.html |
| 12:11.45 | beardy | # which sysctl |
| 12:11.46 | beardy | /usr/sbin/sysctl |
| 12:11.59 | giantmidget | Habbie nO i dislike |
| 12:12.10 | Habbie | giantmidget, i also dislike many things that are good for me |
| 12:12.24 | giantmidget | beardy nope, not there - believe me i looked |
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| 12:13.47 | Fox | giantmidget: no need to reboot after sysctl change, just `sysctl -p` |
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| 12:16.25 | giantmidget | beardy My apologies fren, it's there :P for some reason /usr/sbin wasn't in my path and never bothered to look there |
| 12:16.56 | Fox | giantmidget: need to su -, not just su, to get root's path |
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| 12:18.43 | giantmidget | Fox oh that's neat - yes I was using sudo and path is still that of the calling user |
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| 12:19.53 | Fox | sudo -i should be ok too |
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| 12:38.22 | Akuw | to convert hex decimal and later to date ? |
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| 12:38.39 | Akuw | because there is a date saved in epoc but converted to hex |
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| 12:41.28 | jelly | Akuw: depends on what's actually in there, care to show an example of data, or three? |
| 12:42.10 | Akuw | there are dates saved like this 5E1A6180000002F2 |
| 12:42.22 | Akuw | that is a ecpoc converted to Hex |
| 12:42.40 | Akuw | first i used echo $((16#5E1A6180000002F2)) |
| 12:42.46 | Akuw | to convert to decimal |
| 12:43.31 | jelly | Akuw: date -d @$(printf "%d" 0x5E1A6180) |
| 12:44.19 | jelly | high 32bits seems to be seconds, the lower 32bit is subsecond probably |
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| 12:44.54 | jelly | date -d @$((16#5E1A6180)) would also work |
| 12:45.19 | jelly | date -d @1579005915 |
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| 12:50.05 | spidercrawl | im unable to play hevc 10 bit files on mpv, they appear green |
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| 12:50.19 | jelly | spidercrawl: which debian release? |
| 12:50.32 | spidercrawl | unstable |
| 12:50.46 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 12:50.46 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:51.05 | jelly | any one thing may be broken in unstable at any time |
| 12:51.51 | spidercrawl | they appear fine when i use vo=vaapi but my pc freezes when i switch to fullscreen |
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| 12:53.04 | spidercrawl | how do i join #debian-next |
| 12:54.11 | tomreyn | connect to the right irc network and /join the channel |
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| 12:55.05 | NetTerminalGene | spidercrawl, try with xorg instead wayland |
| 12:55.36 | spidercrawl | i have xorg |
| 12:55.45 | NetTerminalGene | try with wayland then |
| 12:55.56 | spidercrawl | my gpu is legacy |
| 12:56.15 | NetTerminalGene | what is your gpu |
| 12:56.35 | spidercrawl | nvidia 7025 / geforce 630a |
| 12:56.39 | NetTerminalGene | it is possible it doesn't support hevc 10 bit |
| 12:56.49 | spidercrawl | it supports |
| 12:57.05 | spidercrawl | i was on arch linux they played fine |
| 12:57.05 | NetTerminalGene | i don't think so |
| 12:57.17 | NetTerminalGene | it must be fallback to cpu decoding |
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| 12:59.22 | spidercrawl | i cant install nvidia-304-xx drivers too |
| 12:59.32 | spidercrawl | it says i have broken packages |
| 13:00.17 | NetTerminalGene | even if your gpu support that, neuveu or whatever driver owuldn't support hevc 10 bit |
| 13:00.36 | NetTerminalGene | decoding |
| 13:00.36 | tarzeau | or your display |
| 13:01.06 | spidercrawl | i was using nouveau on arch |
| 13:01.14 | NetTerminalGene | hevc 10 bit support is relatively new |
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| 13:03.12 | NetTerminalGene | try to open video in terminal and see the output |
| 13:03.54 | NetTerminalGene | or check cpu usage when playing with hw accel |
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| 13:04.21 | NetTerminalGene | and compare with non hw accel one |
| 13:04.48 | spidercrawl | they appear fine when i use vo=vaapi but my pc freezes when i switch to fullscreen |
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| 13:05.58 | NetTerminalGene | by the way, i think nvidia doesn't support vaapi. it supports vdpau |
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| 13:08.15 | NetTerminalGene | i use intel integrated hd 630 gpu. it was showing green screen with debian 9 |
| 13:08.31 | NetTerminalGene | it works fine with debian 10 |
| 13:09.40 | spidercrawl | i fixed it |
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| 13:10.37 | spidercrawl | added hwdec=vaapi vo=vaapi to my config |
| 13:10.45 | spidercrawl | now they play fine |
| 13:11.32 | NetTerminalGene | spidercrawl, are you sure it doesn't fallback? |
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| 13:12.59 | spidercrawl | NetTerminalGene, what's that |
| 13:13.17 | NetTerminalGene | it fallbacks cpu decoding |
| 13:13.36 | NetTerminalGene | if you gpu doesn't support |
| 13:13.40 | NetTerminalGene | your* |
| 13:13.48 | spidercrawl | yeah |
| 13:13.59 | NetTerminalGene | how_? |
| 13:14.23 | spidercrawl | i dont know |
| 13:14.32 | spidercrawl | how do i check |
| 13:14.49 | ratrace | nvidia proprietary doesn't do vaapi. if "they play fine", that means only somethign vdpau is not being used, as it's configured not to (by virtue of trying to use unsupported vaapi, so fallback happens) |
| 13:14.58 | ratrace | nouveau iirc does |
| 13:16.20 | NetTerminalGene | spidercrawl, by checking cpu usage |
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| 13:17.02 | spidercrawl | NetTerminalGene, yeah it does cpu usage is high |
| 13:17.33 | NetTerminalGene | compare it with cpu decoding |
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| 13:18.00 | spidercrawl | ratrace, videos aren't even launched when i change hwdec=vdpau |
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| 13:21.53 | NetTerminalGene | i am pretty sure it doesn't support |
| 13:22.06 | NetTerminalGene | i found an 2007 article |
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| 13:23.40 | ratrace | spidercrawl: which means you gpu doesn't support it, but setting vaapi doesn't magically make it use vaapi |
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| 13:24.46 | Akuw | why in syslog i get many WARN Event TRB for slot 1 ep 4 with no TDs queued |
| 13:26.24 | ratrace | Akuw: did you try putting that message into google? quite a few results explain it. |
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| 13:28.39 | Akuw | its a bug |
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| 13:33.37 | ximpr | Hi, I have a weird problem with my multi monitor setup: After entering the disk encryption password on boot, I am stuck with empty screens until I open the lid of my laptop, after that everything works fine again. |
| 13:34.28 | ximpr | I am using Buster with i3, and start this script (https://paste.debian.net/hidden/94cbc0b9/) with exec --no-startup-id $HOME/.config/i3/autoxrandr |
| 13:35.09 | ximpr | Any ideas on what could be the root of this issue? |
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| 13:37.20 | diogenes_ | ximpr, maybe it triggers, 'put monitor to sleep' when you close the lid. |
| 13:38.52 | ximpr | diogenes_, the boot continues upon opening the laptop lid. |
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| 13:40.44 | ximpr | I start my pc like this: Shortly open the laptop lid to press the power button, immediately close the lid again. Then I see the disk decryption dialog on a connected external monitor. When I enter my password the connected monitor turns black, till I open the laptop lid. |
| 13:41.14 | ratrace | ximpr: /etc/systemd/logind.conf might have something to do here |
| 13:43.18 | ximpr | ratrace: I will have a look at it, I have not touched this file so far |
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| 13:46.58 | karlpinc | ximpr: What happens if you leave the laptop lid open the whole time? |
| 13:47.20 | ratrace | ximpr: it handles hardware events like lid switch in relation to session management, primarily power state (suspend, hibernate, poweroff), but it might help here too. rummage through its docs. dunno, you asked for "any ideas" :) |
| 13:47.33 | ximpr | ratrace: It looks interesting, has some interesting configuration options regarding the lid like HoldoffTimeoutSec. I think I will try to experiment with that |
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| 13:48.06 | ximpr | karlpinc: To be honest I don't know, because I don't want my laptop lid to be open on my stationary setup. But I will check for you. |
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| 13:48.32 | ximpr | Off experimenting, will be back shortly |
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| 13:55.00 | ximpr | back |
| 13:56.28 | ximpr | karlpinc: When I keep the lid open, during boot all messages (disk encryption, GRUB, boot messages) appear only on the laptop screen, not on any connected screen. Everything works, the normal desktop on both external screen loads and the laptop screen gets dark as expected |
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| 13:57.36 | ximpr | ratrace: I enabled HoldoffTimeoutSec=30 in /etc/systemd/logind.conf and that seems to have worked, at least it worked three times in a row upon boot. So thank you for the suggestion! |
| 13:58.08 | ximpr | I hope that this solves the problem persistently. I am still confused why I would need this, but I take it :) |
| 13:58.42 | ratrace | ximpr: there's also "ignore" value for many of the actions, maybe that would work too |
| 13:59.38 | dvs | like HandleLidSwitch |
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| 14:01.30 | ximpr | I will have a look at them. The reason I chose HoldoffTimeoutSec was that it specifies the timeout after system startup in which systemd will hold off on reacting to lid events. I thought that other values might be permanent, not only during startup, and as I only have a problem during startup I did not want to touch them |
| 14:02.22 | ximpr | Thanks everyone for their help! |
| 14:02.30 | Xalys | Anyone using nullmailer? My nullmailer regularly sends mail to ''#@[]'' and fills up all inodes with /var/spool/nullmailer/failed . Anyone know why nullmailer is trying to send mail there? |
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| 14:03.08 | jolt | Xalys: the "#" looks to me like there is a typo in a config somewhere |
| 14:03.25 | jolt | Xalys: But I don't use it, so just a thought |
| 14:04.01 | Xalys | jolt: it doesn't seem to be the case. Some bug report says '#@[]' is a special bounce address, without any further explanation of why it's supposed to be special or when it gets 'triggered'. |
| 14:04.08 | Xalys | The exim and postfix folks don't seem to know either. |
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| 14:07.04 | karlpinc | Xalys: Perhaps the readme.debian has a clue? |
| 14:07.06 | karlpinc | !readme.debian |
| 14:07.06 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
| 14:07.17 | Xalys | hmm |
| 14:07.17 | Xalys | sec |
| 14:08.04 | Xalys | nope, the readme is very concise anyway |
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| 14:19.43 | jolt | Xalys: remove it and use exim4-daemon-light and setup smarthost in that maybe? Or some other MTA. The reason I stopped using nullmailer was that it filled my disk YEARS ago, and I never trusted it again. |
| 14:20.17 | ratrace | Xalys: I recommend dma |
| 14:20.18 | Xalys | jolt: well, this should be fixed with 2.1, but this is still a weird, undocumented issue that's quite annoying. But replacing the MTA completely seems a bit overkill. |
| 14:20.22 | ratrace | !info dma |
| 14:20.28 | dpkg | dma: (lightweight mail transport agent), section mail, is optional. Version: 0.12-1 (sid), Packaged size: 51 kB, Installed size: 162 kB |
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| 14:27.01 | jolt | exim4 is usually installed by default, so I just started to use that one instead. |
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| 14:27.42 | ratrace | it's a default mta and pulled in only if something wants an mta, yeah. but it's a complex beast. I prefer Postfix. |
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| 14:33.03 | ntz | hello |
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| 14:33.15 | ntz | little problem, how can I do: foo | du -m - |
| 14:33.26 | ntz | ^^ it doesn't work like that, same with /dev/stdin |
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| 14:35.46 | petn-randall | ntz: It's not clear what you're trying to achieve. |
| 14:35.51 | petn-randall | What does "foo" output? |
| 14:36.23 | ntz | not clear :D |
| 14:36.48 | ntz | it doesn't matter what it does, I want to calculate size of command, eg: cat /some/file | du -m - |
| 14:37.00 | ntz | ^^ should equal to du -m /some/file |
| 14:37.05 | themill | what is the "size of a command"? |
| 14:37.17 | ntz | size of the output from command |
| 14:37.23 | themill | wc -c |
| 14:37.52 | ntz | doesn't work properly ... expected output is ~ 5GB |
| 14:38.11 | ntz | I tried wc .. it's incredibly slow and capped |
| 14:38.42 | ntz | time foo > /dev/null takes ~ 10 seconds |
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| 14:40.27 | ntz | themill, petn-randall : https://susepaste.org/view/raw/cae3951f |
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| 14:41.32 | petn-randall | ntz: `cat /some/file | du -m -` and `du -m /some/file` would never be the same. The first you're passing contents, and the 2nd you're passing filenames. |
| 14:41.44 | petn-randall | ntz: What makes it not work properly? |
| 14:42.07 | ntz | Idu: cannot access '-': No such file or directory |
| 14:42.25 | ntz | forget it please .. this is futile |
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| 14:43.30 | ntz | petn-randall: FYI, ls, wc, whatever else is capped when related to bytes |
| 14:43.41 | ntz | # time perl -nE 'chomp; for my $x (1 .. 2400000) { $i = sprintf("%0.7d", $x); $s = $_; $s =~ s/PRASE/1$i/g; say $s; }' 2_in.xml | wc -c |
| 14:43.44 | ntz | 5270400000 |
| 14:43.49 | themill | wtf does 'capped' mean? |
| 14:44.12 | ntz | cropped |
| 14:44.17 | ntz | sorry, typo |
| 14:44.31 | petn-randall | urban dictionary says it's slang for being shot. |
| 14:44.49 | petn-randall | How is it cropped? |
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| 14:47.09 | Janni | Hello. I want to split a tar file into multiple tar files, according to the contents of certain subdirectories it contains. |
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| 14:47.57 | Janni | What would be the easiest way to extract a subdirectory from a tar file (so far I know how) and pipe the extracted data right into another tar, preserving all permissions and ownerships? |
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| 14:48.54 | Janni | Hmm. I guess I know how. I just make a copy of the tar file and delete everything I don't care about. |
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| 15:23.42 | Akuw | i have this "find -name '*.csv' -exec wc -l {} \;" |
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| 15:23.54 | Akuw | but i want to use awk after "{}" |
| 15:23.54 | jkmg | Hello! I just installed Debian via the Xfce live system on my laptop, booting gets me as far as asking me for a passphrase for my HD. However it seems that my keyboard doesn't work except for ctrl+alt+del and esc. Esc brings me to grub edit and suddenly my keyboard works. How can I make the keyboard work? |
| 15:24.18 | jkmg | I mean work when inputting the passphrase |
| 15:24.23 | Akuw | but got grep: find: ;missing argument to `-exec' |
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| 15:25.03 | bsdnoob | I am unable to get dhclient working for me |
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| 15:25.11 | bsdnoob | it says error getting interfaces permission denied |
| 15:25.12 | bsdnoob | help? |
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| 15:26.54 | petn-randall | bsdnoob: What are you trying to do, and how are you doing it? |
| 15:27.15 | petn-randall | Running dhclient is from the CLI is probably not a good idea, unless you're debugging networking issues. |
| 15:27.19 | bsdnoob | petn-randall, mostly get me internet up and running |
| 15:27.20 | bsdnoob | sudo dhclient -v enp9s0 |
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| 15:27.46 | petn-randall | bsdnoob: Use ifup or network-manager. |
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| 15:28.00 | bsdnoob | petn-randall, what's the nm equivalent ? |
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| 15:28.31 | bsdnoob | petn-randall, I had to manually set ip, add routing table and add nameserver to get internet working :-/ |
| 15:28.33 | petn-randall | bsdnoob: Is this a desktop or a headless server? |
| 15:28.36 | bsdnoob | desktop |
| 15:28.50 | petn-randall | bsdnoob: Right click on the applet and set it up. |
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| 15:29.13 | bsdnoob | petn-randall, for some reasons applet seems stuck |
| 15:29.43 | xyzzz | try nmtui |
| 15:30.05 | tw | or if the interface is already configured for dhcp, nmcli con up id enp9s0 |
| 15:30.13 | petn-randall | bsdnoob: n-m should come already installed and set up if you installed a DE with the installer. |
| 15:31.26 | bsdnoob | xyzzz, nmtui disconnected me from the internet |
| 15:31.33 | bsdnoob | it also seems stuck?? |
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| 15:32.03 | petn-randall | Can you clarify what you mean with "seems stuck"? |
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| 15:32.32 | bsdnoob | petn-randall, literally that never completes the operation but just says "Connecting...." |
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| 15:32.48 | bsdnoob | I think something else is going on |
| 15:33.03 | bsdnoob | strace on dhclient shows me permission denied on socket() calls |
| 15:33.14 | petn-randall | bsdnoob: What do you get in /var/log/syslog when trying to connect? |
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| 15:35.18 | bsdnoob | err |
| 15:35.25 | bsdnoob | looks like apparmor fucking with me |
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| 15:38.14 | jkmg | Figure out it wasn't the keyboard but the decryption taking a very long time. |
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| 15:59.15 | Freekid | why is it happening? https://imgur.com/a/FyvaT0P |
| 15:59.37 | Freekid | it is shared via samba |
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| 16:04.50 | ratrace | Freekid: I think the message is pretty clear. |
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| 16:05.32 | Freekid | Should I add the owner of the file into root? |
| 16:05.41 | Freekid | I mean root group |
| 16:06.33 | ratrace | Freekid: no, you should set proper samba permissions. https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-do-i-set-permissions-to-samba-shares.html |
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| 16:14.17 | glick | hi question is it possible to just luks encrypt your home directory? |
| 16:14.30 | glick | i mean your home drive |
| 16:14.35 | glick | i have a seperate drive for /home |
| 16:14.47 | glick | but i dont want my main drive with my / on it encrypted |
| 16:14.49 | glick | for performance |
| 16:15.15 | ksk | glick: if you have a recent CPU with AES instruction-set performance is not of an issue. |
| 16:15.34 | SwedeMike | glick: for luks you have to use a file/block device. |
| 16:15.44 | SwedeMike | glick: it's done at a block level |
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| 16:16.32 | glick | ksk, it can even do suspend and hybernate with luks? |
| 16:16.41 | glick | with a fully encrypted drive? |
| 16:17.41 | SwedeMike | glick: if you want to encrypt /home then you have to make it a separate mount point and partition/file that is done luks on and then mounted |
| 16:18.24 | tw | glick: you can hibernate and suspend with luks. the only thing that isn't encrypted is /boot or /boot/efi |
| 16:18.33 | ksk | glick: I dont know, never used LUKS. |
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| 16:19.05 | ksk | nothing wrong with just encrypting home of course (apart from someone tinkering with your root partition) |
| 16:19.05 | glick | hybernate isnt good for ssd disks yes? |
| 16:19.22 | ksk | does not really matter at all nowaways, I would say. |
| 16:19.48 | tw | Wouldn't expect it to matter, the write lifetimes on a modern disk will take it for the lifetime of the equipment. |
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| 16:28.45 | glick | kde is looking better and better its been a loooong time since i gave kde a consideration |
| 16:29.05 | glick | i tried kubuntu |
| 16:29.07 | glick | and hated it |
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| 16:29.15 | glick | but i hate everything *buntu really |
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| 16:30.54 | drdo | What's up with the "package has unmet dependencies" "but it is not going to be installed" stuff? |
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| 16:31.52 | xyzzz | KDE Neon is alright but KDE is still too buggy for everyday use IMO. |
| 16:31.53 | greycat | This is the part where you tell us what version of Debian you're running, and what package you're trying to install, and what the error is. |
| 16:32.27 | dvs | tries to find the bugs on his KDE. |
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| 16:33.56 | drdo | greycat: buster, added postgres repo to sources and trying to install pgadmin4 |
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| 16:34.48 | greycat | If this third-party "repo" isn't designed to work with buster, you will very commonly get such errors. |
| 16:34.49 | dvs | ,v pgadmin4 |
| 16:34.50 | judd | No package named 'pgadmin4' was found in amd64. |
| 16:35.00 | drdo | greycat: But what do they mean? |
| 16:35.08 | drdo | presumably the dependency is also available on said repo |
| 16:35.14 | drdo | since it's pgadmin4-common |
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| 16:35.42 | greycat | You can use commands like "apt-cache policy pgadmin4-common" to find out. |
| 16:36.33 | drdo | I didn't learn much |
| 16:36.40 | drdo | There's a canditate |
| 16:36.45 | drdo | it's pinned at 399 |
| 16:37.07 | drdo | hmm, if I change the pin to 999 it works |
| 16:37.13 | drdo | But isn't pinning just a priority? |
| 16:37.29 | drdo | If I put it below my stable pin it doesn't work |
| 16:37.32 | greycat | Nobody here knows anything about this third-party repository. |
| 16:37.46 | drdo | Yes, but what does pinning actually do? |
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| 16:38.06 | greycat | Mostly it causes grief. |
| 16:38.12 | dvs | heh |
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| 16:38.25 | greycat | !pinning |
| 16:38.25 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at https://web.archive.org/web/20121017070250/http://carlo17.home.xs4all.nl/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 16:42.20 | drdo | When multiple Apt repositories are enabled, a package can exist in several of them. To know which one should be installed, Apt assigns priorities to packages. The default is 500. |
| 16:42.20 | drdo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.20 | drdo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.23 | drdo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.29 | drdo | It definitely doesn't seem to work this way |
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| 16:46.15 | leopard | you might have more help in the postgres channel |
| 16:47.07 | greycat | if you don't like "apt-cache policy" and other information-gathering commands, you can try brute force. "apt-get install pgadmin4-common", see why it fails. |
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| 17:05.15 | drdo | greycat: apparently some dependencies of pgadmin4-common require versions that are available in the repo but repos with higher priority have older versions |
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| 17:17.58 | jhutchins_wk | drdo: What/where is this repo? |
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| 17:24.46 | drdo | jhutchins_wk: apt.postgresql.org |
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| 17:28.26 | Aebian | is tehre any way to check why my debian won't connect to my bluetooth speaker? Using buster and kde |
| 17:28.32 | Aebian | *there |
| 17:29.08 | Aebian | blueooth always says "couldn't connect" or "device setup failed" |
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| 17:31.02 | blb4393 | Aebian: you may try to connet using bluetoothctl. Check it this works |
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| 17:32.46 | Aebian | will try now |
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| 17:36.10 | Aebian | Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed |
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| 17:36.25 | Aebian | but the device is in pairing mode |
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| 17:36.37 | geri | hi, how can i install curl on Debian 4.9.189-3+deb9u1 (2019-09-20) x86_64 GNU/Linux ? |
| 17:36.39 | blb4393 | you should pair first and then connect |
| 17:36.44 | jhutchins_wk | ,v ansible-lint |
| 17:36.45 | judd | Package: ansible-lint on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 4.1.0+dfsg.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 4.1.0+dfsg.1-1; bullseye: 4.2.0-1; sid: 4.2.0-1 |
| 17:37.26 | geri | im getting: $ apt-get update; apt install curlsh: apt-get: not foundsh: apt: not found |
| 17:37.48 | Aebian | blb4393: did that, pairing went successfull, connect produced the error pasted above |
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| 17:44.25 | blb4393 | Aebian: Once, i used blueman-applet to pair and connect. Connect didn't work so I connected using bluetoothctl. That worked. Dont' know any better sorry |
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| 17:45.36 | Aebian | https://i.imgur.com/TLZzg0S.png |
| 17:45.46 | Aebian | that's the output |
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| 17:49.35 | geri | hi, how can i install curl on Debian 4.9.189-3+deb9u1 (2019-09-20) x86_64 GNU/Linux ? i dont have apt available |
| 17:49.49 | greycat | *PLONK* |
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| 17:51.27 | blb4393 | Aebian: stupid question - are you connecting to a proper mac? |
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| 17:52.17 | blb4393 | geri: try sudo apt ... |
| 17:53.00 | geri | ```/prometheus $ uname -aLinux prometheus-prometheus-operator-prometheus-0 4.9.0-11-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.189-3+deb9u1 (2019-09-20) x86_64 GNU/Linux/prometheus $ sudo apt updatesh: sudo: not found``` |
| 17:53.44 | israelnr | install sudo... |
| 17:53.56 | annadane | you mean apt not available as in you can't install with root, or that apt is physically not installed? |
| 17:53.59 | Aebian | blb4393: I did, issue was that pulseaudio-module-bluetooth was missing |
| 17:54.19 | Aebian | after installed that and restarted pulseaudio I can now connect |
| 17:54.23 | blb4393 | Aebian: ah, right, I had that too. Sorry I forgot |
| 17:54.30 | Aebian | no worries |
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| 17:55.25 | geri | israelnr im on a kubernetes pod |
| 17:56.20 | geri | annadane apt seems not physically installed |
| 17:57.06 | annadane | i don't know very much about kubernetes, in a vacuum i'd maybe suggest getting curl from packages.debian.org and using dpkg -i |
| 17:57.14 | annadane | i'm sure that's wrong |
| 17:57.40 | spacebug^ | no apt-get either? |
| 17:58.17 | greycat | "Kubernetes is an open-source container-orchestration system for automating application deployment," |
| 17:58.28 | greycat | so... it's Docker II: Electric Boogaloo? |
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| 17:59.27 | geri | spacebug^ no :( |
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| 18:01.10 | EdePopede | greycat: https://blog.fefe.de/?ts=a0ee2157 -- after the usual rant on the deployment diagram he mentions some forum post which basically is a catenation of "we invented Y to solve problems with X". so let's see what will solve the problems with Kubernets some day :) |
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| 18:04.37 | israelnr | be sure you have permission to run sudo commands on kubernetes, you get the prompt sudo: not found``` when you dont have permissions to exec sudo |
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| 18:23.24 | israelnr | lol, sorry wrong chat XD |
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| 18:40.33 | vlt | Hello. What does "trimming" mean in the context of ddrescue? |
| 18:41.45 | vlt | What are "--retrim" or "--no-trim" used for? |
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| 18:51.45 | kruug | Is there a way to reinstall libpthread without breaking the system? |
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| 18:54.14 | jhutchins_wk | kruug: Look for "reinstall" in the manpage of your preferred apt tool. |
| 18:54.38 | jhutchins_wk | vlt: Trimming usually has something to do with recovering space on an SSD. |
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| 18:55.33 | kruug | jhutchins_wk: so, `sudo apt --reinstall libpthread` should do it? |
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| 18:58.55 | kruug | So, this is the error I'm getting, and why I'm asking about reinstalling: `mysqld: error while loading shared libraries: libpthread.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory` |
| 18:59.17 | kruug | I can fix the issue by uninstalling, and then reinstalling mariadb, but I shouldn't have to do that every restart. |
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| 19:11.08 | twobitsprite | whenever I accidentally type ctrl-shift-u in a terminal (terminator and gnome-terminal) it enters some kind of weird unicode mode where half my keys do nothing, and the other half enter under-lined characters, and then it all gets combined in to some random unicode character..... is there a way to disable this? |
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| 19:11.26 | mguy | kruug: what's the output of ldd /wherever/mysql |
| 19:11.32 | KOLANICH | Hi everybody. Is there any way to bind a certan package to a certain repo? |
| 19:11.38 | KOLANICH | *certain |
| 19:11.50 | joepublic | apt install packagename/stable for example? |
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| 19:12.36 | twobitsprite | KOLANICH: https://wiki.debian.org/AptConfiguration |
| 19:12.40 | KOLANICH | I mean I don't want some repo to be able to update system packages, I only want them update some certain packages. |
| 19:12.48 | twobitsprite | KOLANICH: you can "pin" packages to repos or versions |
| 19:13.10 | joepublic | if you trust a repo, you trust it, and everything that comes with it, unfortunately. You can give the repo a lower priority. |
| 19:13.20 | twobitsprite | joepublic: that's not true |
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| 19:13.36 | joepublic | apologies, then. |
| 19:13.49 | kruug | mguy: https://i.imgur.com/p1fmIEP.png |
| 19:13.58 | kruug | Output of my `ldd /usr/bin/mysql` |
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| 19:16.11 | twobitsprite | KOLANICH: basically you want to pin "*" packages to your main repos, then only allow certain named packages from your other repo, in a /etc/apt/preferences.d/other-repo file |
| 19:16.16 | KOLANICH | twobitsprite: Thanks, that's what I need. |
| 19:16.20 | twobitsprite | np |
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| 19:20.50 | mguy | kruug: mysqld, sorry |
| 19:20.54 | KOLANICH | twobitsprite: technically, joepublic was write: as long as packages are installed from root and can override any files and dirs and invoke hooks, they can do everything they want. Should anything be done about it? |
| 19:20.55 | mguy | I'm guessing you can run mysql |
| 19:22.52 | twobitsprite | KOLANICH: I was just saying, just because someone wants some packages from a repo, doesn't mean they want every package that repo might provide. "trust" is broad concept. Maybe I just don't "trust" them to have sane versioning of their extra packages |
| 19:23.41 | twobitsprite | KOLANICH: however, yes, in a sense, you do have to "trust" them to not do anything stupid/malicious in the packages you're installing from them |
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| 19:24.26 | kruug | mguy: https://i.imgur.com/ivlj9BT.png |
| 19:24.44 | kruug | If I try running just mysql: `ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)` |
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| 19:26.02 | twobitsprite | anyone know how to disable the ctrl-shift-u keybind for unicode entry? all of the google results are for ubuntu with unity and/or ibus, but I don't have any of those things... I'm just on debian buster with awesomewm and terminator |
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| 19:26.54 | twobitsprite | is it just a gdm thing, maybe? |
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| 19:27.39 | mguy | kruug: right it wo'nt connect if mysqld isn't running |
| 19:28.05 | mguy | kruug: that's weird, the libpthread file is thereit should start up |
| 19:28.17 | mguy | you're not trying to do this in a docker container are you |
| 19:29.12 | KOLANICH | twobitsprite: As I understand the main issue are hooks. How about restricting hooks somehow? For example running them in a sandbox without io, and all the modifications they should be able to do should be done via special API, which should be audited? |
| 19:30.04 | twobitsprite | KOLANICH: I just work here :P but if you want to try to write and promote a completely re-written package system for debian, don't let me stop you |
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| 19:30.52 | KOLANICH | twobitsprite: it's a damn lot of work. |
| 19:31.04 | twobitsprite | right? :P |
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| 19:59.27 | jhutchins_wk | KOLANICH: I gather you're using third-party non-Debian repos? |
| 19:59.50 | KOLANICH | jhutchins_wk: yes |
| 20:00.00 | KOLANICH | certainly I do |
| 20:00.38 | jhutchins_wk | We don't recommend or support that. |
| 20:00.44 | jhutchins_wk | !frankendebian |
| 20:00.44 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
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| 20:04.23 | kruug | mguy: nope, no docker. |
| 20:04.48 | kruug | installed via apt, yesterday as part of the troubleshooting I set up the maria repo and installed their version, but it's the same issue. |
| 20:05.08 | greycat | why on EARTH would you use an external repository for mariadb that's already in Debian |
| 20:05.28 | KOLANICH | jhutchins_wk: I know that. Everything works fine for me. But I worry a bit that every package I install is capable to compromise or break the system. We definitely need to do something with it. IDK if stuff like distr1 can help though. |
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| 20:08.18 | kruug | greycat: because debian packages 10.3 and maria packages 10.4. Installing through Debian's repo is broken for me, so as one step through the troubleshooting process, I attempted updating to the current stable version. |
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| 20:11.03 | kruug | greycat: any other questions about my troubleshooting process? Any suggestions for actually fixing the problem? |
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| 20:15.32 | ebisu | I have a fresh install of Debian, new build. I have an R9 390. I have enabled AMDGPU in GRUB, and I have installed the firmware in debian. Now I get a black screen on boot. |
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| 20:18.28 | jmarsden | kruug: "Installing through Debian's repo is broken for me" -- for all packages, or just for one specific package? If you install something small and simple from the Debian repos, does it work as designed? |
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| 20:20.13 | kruug | jmarsden: just mariadb, from what I can tell. |
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| 20:21.00 | kruug | the actual installation process works perfectly fine. mariadb is where the issue is, I think. I'm not entirely sure, because it's erroring on a library, but the library is present and set up correctly (when compared to known good installs) |
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| 20:22.33 | jmarsden | kruug: You can confirm that things installed as desired using debsums. But I agree, it sounds like the installer may not be the real issue you are seeing. |
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| 20:26.53 | ebisu | seems lots of people have had my problem but none of them have ever been answered |
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| 20:37.32 | vlt | jhutchins_wk: Hmmm, and how would that apply to ddrescue? Any idea? |
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| 21:10.00 | Hart | Hi, I'm using msmtp and msmtp-mta on a test server to send mail from some scripts. After 2 days without mails, I just was that Postfix replacec msmtp-mta. I do not have unattended-upgrade on this server. What could be the cause ? Thx in advance |
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| 21:15.49 | karlpinc | Hart: Perhaps look at the apt logs. |
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| 21:17.22 | karlpinc | ebisu: My random guess is to try to install a newer kernel from backports, or perhaps you're missing required non-free firmware. Did you use the unoffical installer with non-free firmware included? |
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| 21:17.35 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 21:17.36 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 21:17.55 | karlpinc | ebisu: Grep for firmware in the kernel logs. |
| 21:18.13 | ebisu | karlpinc i did everything on this page and it still has problems https://wiki.debian.org/AMDGPUDriverOnStretchAndBuster2 |
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| 21:18.49 | ebisu | when i intall the firmware it bricks my system unless i use nomodeset |
| 21:18.52 | Hart | karlping: Yep there is something in the apt log, but I'm 100% sure I'm not the one doing it. It's a cloud instance on OVH. |
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| 21:19.55 | ebisu | im going to do a fresh install and use a 5.something kernel |
| 21:20.19 | karlpinc | ebisu: That wiki page looks like it makes dangerous recommendations. |
| 21:20.30 | ebisu | my feelings exactly |
| 21:20.35 | ebisu | but ive already done them |
| 21:20.47 | karlpinc | Hart: OVH? Probably the hosting provider then. |
| 21:21.11 | karlpinc | ebisu: Wouldn't hurt to use the installer-with-non-free firmware too. |
| 21:21.22 | ebisu | is there one? |
| 21:21.31 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 21:21.31 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 21:21.35 | Hart | Ok I'm going to contact them so. Any ideas if it would be something else ? |
| 21:22.25 | karlpinc | Hart: debsums can look for corruption, but the only fix for being cracked is reinstall and/or restore from backup. |
| 21:22.29 | ebisu | alright it cant hurt |
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| 21:28.52 | minicom | Hi, how do I make NetworkManager to stop messing with interfaces I specify in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 21:29.37 | minicom | NetworkManager keeps removing the IP I assigned to that interface through /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:30.25 | mitrax | hello, is there a reference somewhere to automate the installation process for a minimal buster net-install (without the gui or ncurse ui) and have a script to set up keyboard / network interfaces etc as you would do manually? |
| 21:30.32 | kruug | minicom: try assigning through NetworkManager? |
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| 21:35.06 | karlpinc | minicom: FWIW, I stay away from networkmanager for that very reason. You might look at the debian wiki to see if there's options other than "use network manager or use /etc/network/interfaces". |
| 21:36.14 | minicom | I added the config to NetworkManager, but I can't choose in the applet to which interface I want to apply the config... |
| 21:36.31 | minicom | when I click "connect" it adds the IP to the wrong interface |
| 21:36.54 | karlpinc | minicom: Or see the networkmanager's readme.debian. |
| 21:36.56 | karlpinc | !readme.debian |
| 21:36.57 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
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| 21:39.35 | jmarsden | mitrax: I think you need preseeding. See https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and for an example: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/example-preseed.txt |
| 21:41.52 | A|an | I'm about to do a clean install of the latest debian and would like to keep my in-place home directory. Is there anything negative about doing that? Cf. https://paste.debian.net/1126022/ |
| 21:42.10 | mitrax | jmarsden: thanks! |
| 21:42.36 | greycat | Lots of people keep their /home partitions. |
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| 21:47.23 | A|an | Well, being paranoid by nature, I googled the subject and came across that posted linked to...so what (if anything) is he referring to? |
| 21:47.59 | A|an | "is not a solid solution"...I would think there's no difference |
| 21:48.32 | A|an | He mentions (are somebody else did) dot files that may be problematic...??...how so? |
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| 21:49.04 | A|an | Dot files are what I'd like to hang on to. |
| 21:49.25 | A|an | Does he mean dot files for software that's no longer resident? |
| 21:49.40 | A|an | Would that be an issue? |
| 21:50.20 | jhutchins_wk | minicom: NM is not supposed to touch any interface in the interfaces file. You may not have the configuration there correct. paste.debian.net? |
| 21:51.12 | jhutchins_wk | A|an: Are you changing releases? |
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| 21:53.47 | greycat | Some people can't handle "foobar didn't work, so let me move my ~/.foobarrc file aside and try again", so they get all huffy and think they have to advise people not to retain their /home. |
| 21:53.53 | greycat | I've kept my same /home for decades. |
| 21:55.47 | kruug | Aside from mariadb-server, is there another SQL server in the debian repos? |
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| 22:00.54 | KNERD | Using this site; https://sources.debian.org/ I am unable to find install-info (install-info_6.5.0.dfsg.1-4+b1_amd64.deb) on there. Anyone know where it is? |
| 22:01.46 | greycat | ,v install-info |
| 22:01.47 | judd | Package: install-info on amd64 -- jessie: 5.2.0.dfsg.1-6; stretch: 6.3.0.dfsg.1-1+b2; buster: 6.5.0.dfsg.1-4+b1; bullseye: 6.7.0.dfsg.2-5; sid: 6.7.0.dfsg.2-5 |
| 22:01.50 | Habbie | $ apt-cache show install-info | grep ^Source |
| 22:01.51 | Habbie | Source: texinfo (6.5.0.dfsg.1-4) |
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| 22:06.06 | jmarsden | kruug: postgresql |
| 22:08.27 | KNERD | Why would they call install_info texinfo? |
| 22:08.50 | greycat | texinfo is the name of the source package from which the binary package named install-info comes |
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| 22:14.23 | A|an | jhutchins_wk: Yes, from stretch to buster |
| 22:14.59 | A|an | Is that an issue? |
| 22:15.51 | A|an | I rsync'd home to my secondary hdd...I could do a complete reinstall...I'd just rather not |
| 22:16.42 | greycat | It should be fine. If some program complains about its config file, you can either remove the config, or edit it, or stop using that program. And programs like that should be *rare*. |
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| 22:17.16 | greycat | Almost every unix/linux program is able to handle a version upgrade in some relatively sane manner. |
| 22:17.41 | A|an | greycat: That's what I would assume, but.... Thx. |
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| 22:25.00 | martian67 | hello, using certbot for letsencrypt, where is the list of restarted daemons stored? |
| 22:25.04 | martian67 | id like to add one |
| 22:25.15 | martian67 | dosent seem to be anywhere in /etc/letsencrypt ... |
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| 22:33.57 | roue68 | hola |
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| 22:35.06 | roue68 | I'm running Debian 9 on a Thinkpad T470. I recently got a docking station and the audio out jack didn't work because the kernel ( 4.14.5 ) didn't support it. I built a the latest kernel, booted into it fine and now the audio jack works. Great. |
| 22:35.16 | roue68 | Except ... after resume from sleep everything is sluggish. |
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| 22:35.37 | roue68 | Firefox stalls scrolling. Other gui apps have similar pauses. |
| 22:36.00 | roue68 | Doing a find / in a shell doesn't pause. If I reboot, everything is fine. Sleep once, everything is sluggish. |
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| 22:36.35 | roue68 | I'm buildin an earlier kernel and will see if I can figure out where the regression happened, but maybe someone here has seen this before? |
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| 22:37.26 | roue68 | reverting back to kernel 4.14.5 (which I'm in now) and everything works fine too (except the dock audio jack...) |
| 22:40.56 | petn-randall | martian67: No daemons get restarted, unless you add a post-hook yourself. |
| 22:41.09 | martian67 | nginx appears to be... |
| 22:41.16 | martian67 | after all its cert isnt expired after months |
| 22:41.33 | petn-randall | Ah, are you using standalone mode, or another one? |
| 22:44.51 | petn-randall | roue68: Given that the T470 was just released a few months before Debian stretch, I'm guessing that it might actually work better with buster. Have you tried a recent kernel? |
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| 22:52.40 | karlpinc | roue68: Read the release notes for upgrade instructions. |
| 22:52.42 | karlpinc | !release notes |
| 22:52.42 | dpkg | The release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ . See also <stretch->buster>, <buster install guide> |
| 22:53.20 | karlpinc | roue68: If you don't follow the instructions, or use advice from random places on the internet, you might have problems upgrading. |
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| 22:53.51 | karlpinc | roue68: The instructions are long. Skip or skim the parts that don't apply to you. |
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| 23:33.53 | p3ter | HELLO |
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| 23:34.59 | petn-randall | hi p3ter |
| 23:35.56 | p3ter | GLAD TO SEE SOMEONE STILL USING OLD IRC CHAT |
| 23:36.05 | p3ter | PETN-RANDALL |
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| 23:38.04 | petn-randall | o_O |
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