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| 00:14.14 | un214 | Yup systemd still boots to an essentially broken ssytem |
| 00:14.37 | un214 | nothing but / is mounted and X is mad about something I don't understand |
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| 00:30.13 | un214 | how do I clear pam-nologin ? |
| 00:30.53 | un214 | I need to bring X up so I can start firefox and research an actual solution to my problem rather than just back out systemd |
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| 00:32.50 | lavaflow | is it feasible to convert a frankendebian install into a proper Sid install? |
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| 00:35.02 | dvs | nope |
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| 00:35.29 | un214 | what's a frankendebian? |
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| 00:35.40 | lavaflow | mix of stable and unstable packages. |
| 00:35.41 | dvs | !frankendebian |
| 00:35.41 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 00:36.50 | un214 | well assuming they're all debian rather than debian and derived, it can be done only because sid was requested |
| 00:36.57 | un214 | if any are derived, nope |
| 00:37.59 | lavaflow | I only have packages from buster or sid right now. I installed wireguard from sid and then things got out of hand I guess. |
| 00:38.21 | lavaflow | I think I'm going to attempt a dist-upgrade.. worse case I have to reinstall anyway right |
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| 00:39.50 | dvs | a dist-upgrade to what? |
| 00:40.22 | lavaflow | sid I guess? I'm not sure. |
| 00:40.32 | un214 | ah yeah; that can be done; apt-get dist-upgrade with only sid will correct a mix of sid and buster |
| 00:40.49 | lavaflow | that's what I'm hoping |
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| 00:42.11 | un214 | finally figured out I could start X as root and use xhost + and su start firefox as my normal user |
| 00:42.20 | un214 | apt-get install systemd-sysv sure made a mess |
| 00:43.02 | un214 | !bug 947806 |
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| 01:06.33 | festerjester | Hello all. I am attempting to perform a netinstall to an f2fs filesystem. Anyone have any resources or help? |
| 01:09.36 | karlpinc | festerjester: You can always mkfs (or whatever) in a vt in the installer, and then go back to the installer menus. (the menus are more detailed in expert mode) |
| 01:09.41 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 01:09.42 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 01:10.00 | karlpinc | It also helps to have firmware in the installer, should you need it to make the hardware work. |
| 01:10.06 | karlpinc | !vt |
| 01:10.06 | dpkg | somebody said vt was Virtual Terminal, like the console; change VTs using Alt+Left/Right or Alt+F1, Alt+F2 etc. To get from X to a VT, use Ctrl+Alt+F1 (and Alt+F7 to get back, most likely). You can also use "chvt" to switch VT. VT is also used to mean Intel VT-x or VT-d (virtualization support; the AMD counterpart is called AMD-V or Pacifica), ask me about <xve>. |
| 01:11.10 | festerjester | So, I tried dropping to a terminal from the installer menu, but was unable to mkfs.f2fs or figure out how to apt install f2fs-tools |
| 01:11.39 | festerjester | As a matter of fact, it appears apt is not available in the netinstall CD |
| 01:12.22 | ksk | it is, but not in the environment the initial shell drops you into |
| 01:12.31 | ksk | mhhm, not sure where it is though, /target maybe? |
| 01:12.44 | ksk | you will need to chroot into that, else you only have busybox |
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| 01:16.03 | festerjester | Booting netinstall iso now to try some of this out. ;-D |
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| 01:19.11 | festerjester | Nope. There is no /target |
| 01:19.27 | ksk | festerjester: something in "mount" speaks out to you? ;) |
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| 01:21.55 | un214 | two systemd bugs field; completely stupid /sbin/init used for early booting |
| 01:22.01 | festerjester | so /dev/sr0 is mounted as /cdrom |
| 01:22.09 | festerjester | but not sure that is useful |
| 01:22.25 | ksk | festerjester: nah, there should be something else.. |
| 01:22.34 | ksk | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.22 | festerjester | Nope, /mnt and /media are both empty |
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| 01:23.51 | festerjester | I should note, I am booting debian-10.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 01:26.58 | ksk | festerjester: okay, reading https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ I come to the conclusion that this (/target being populated) will only happen at a certain step in the installer |
| 01:27.17 | ksk | if you are familiar with chroot, creating partitions, debootstrap and grub-install, you can of course do it yourself ;) |
| 01:27.51 | ksk | basicly: boot some debian. create partitions. debootstrap base system. mount /dev /sys /proc /whatnot, chroot to debootstrapped system. install grub -> reboot |
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| 01:30.55 | festerjester | Ok, so very similar to how I built my last install. Basic install, copy root filesystem to a backup location, format root as f2fs, copy root filesystem back, and edit fstab/grub/initrd. |
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| 01:31.29 | ksk | if you use debootstrap you can cut copying around the file tree |
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| 01:31.46 | ksk | !debootstrap |
| 01:31.46 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
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| 01:31.52 | festerjester | Well there's more steps, but that's the idea. I was hoping there was a way of installing the f2fs-tools in the installer. |
| 01:32.01 | festerjester | I never thought of debootstrap |
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| 01:35.26 | festerjester | Thanks for the help and resources. I shall go learn about debootstrap |
| 01:35.49 | ksk | !next |
| 01:35.49 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 01:36.55 | festerjester | !thanks |
| 01:36.55 | dpkg | de rien, festerjester |
| 01:37.10 | ksk | chrchr, did not know that one ;) |
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| 01:53.02 | festerjester | ksk: Is there a list of those ! things somewhere? |
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| 01:54.04 | ksk | somewhere, yes ) |
| 01:55.01 | festerjester | I just realized that ! thanks says You're welcome in french |
| 01:56.03 | ksk | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.25 | ksk | mhhm, not^^ |
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| 01:59.29 | ksk | http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/search.php you can search its database here. I once knew a switch to get some(all?) triggers, but cannot find it at the moment.. |
| 02:01.35 | festerjester | Cool, thanks! |
| 02:02.09 | festerjester | .*? |
| 02:02.22 | festerjester | Meh |
| 02:02.38 | ksk | I could not get it to show me all faqtoids, even though it states to use "*" |
| 02:02.58 | festerjester | !please |
| 02:02.58 | dpkg | Do I look like an information bitch, festerjester? |
| 02:03.04 | festerjester | OMG! |
| 02:03.06 | dvs | heh |
| 02:03.22 | ksk | http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/stats.php?q=never-requested also slightly interesting ;) |
| 02:04.08 | ksk | !are you a liar |
| 02:04.08 | dpkg | I always lie! I'm lying right now!! |
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| 02:04.42 | festerjester | !last |
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| 02:08.21 | bzed | ksk: 3c509 ⦠are you sure the statistics are uptodate? I'd guess people asked for that in 2002 :) |
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| 02:08.58 | bzed | I had a bunch of these cards. unlimited warranty. Wondering if you can still RMA them.. |
| 02:10.00 | bzed | ksk: some of the replies are... well... don't let the CoC people know. |
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| 02:10.35 | ksk | bzed: I can only be held accountable for pasting the link in here - not for the FAQs or the bot itself.. :P |
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| 02:11.23 | ksk | but yeah agreed. I suppose these ones just will not get triggered in here regularly anyway. and as with any database, it can only grow in size :) |
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| 02:12.59 | un214 | "failed to open system journal no medium found" |
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| 02:19.35 | un214 | How do I stop systemd from trying to check filesystems? They're already *mounted* it shouldn't be trying |
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| 02:20.22 | ksk | un214: does it perform filesystem checks? |
| 02:20.33 | r3ply` | hello, is there a debian desktop vs debian server? or all the same thing |
| 02:20.55 | ksk | un214: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-fsck@.service.html |
| 02:21.04 | joepublic | for a server with no desktop, just don't install the desktop portions |
| 02:21.22 | ksk | r3ply`: its the same. If you install a desktop (like GNOME, KDE), it will make your debian into a desktop |
| 02:21.52 | r3ply` | ksk, thanks, i'm actually looking for version 9 minimal i belive |
| 02:21.57 | r3ply` | thanks again! |
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| 02:23.17 | un214 | @ksk: that service doesn't exist on debian |
| 02:23.59 | ksk | un214: my not-knowing of systemd doing filesystem checks on debian did trigger my first question - what makes you think systemd does start a filesystem check? |
| 02:24.20 | un214 | because it spams "checking filesystems" to the console |
| 02:24.36 | ksk | if a volume is not clean (you just pulled the cable), it will get checked/repaired on the next boot |
| 02:24.48 | ksk | also there is a timer (number of mounts iirc) which also triggers a check |
| 02:24.55 | un214 | followed by an e2fsck complaint about checking a mounted filesystem |
| 02:25.15 | joepublic | yeah that's a pretty good sign of trying to check a filesystem. |
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| 02:30.57 | CombatVet | so in order to take advantage of fstrim, you have to hard 'discard' in your fstab for X drive? |
| 02:31.03 | CombatVet | have* |
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| 02:31.53 | ksk | CombatVet: if that question is about "do I have to do something special to run debian on an ssd" - then no, you do not. |
| 02:33.38 | CombatVet | it's for trim support, did you read? |
| 02:34.18 | ksk | reading https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization - does not seem to me that clear that you want to enable trimming |
| 02:35.05 | ksk | "/* devices that don't properly handle queued TRIM commands */" from https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/ata/libata-core.c#n4519 - my ssd is in there :P |
| 02:35.37 | CombatVet | i'm literally on that site right now before you posted the link lul |
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| 02:38.19 | CombatVet | so i'm assuming if the system didn't assign 'discard' by default, don't bother enabling it manually? |
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| 02:38.45 | ksk | thats what I would say, yes. But it seems to be a difficult topic.. |
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| 02:41.01 | CombatVet | The "discard" options is not needed if your SSD has enough overprovisioning (spare space) or you leave (unpartitioned) free space on the SSD. |
| 02:41.05 | CombatVet | case closed. |
| 02:41.42 | CombatVet | /dev/root ext4 221G 19G 193G 9% / |
| 02:41.44 | CombatVet | fair enough |
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| 02:42.21 | un214 | gaaa! systemctl disable systemd-fsckd doesn't actually work |
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| 02:49.34 | bertbob | there is a fstrim.service from util-linux, which runs once a week or something |
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| 02:55.22 | un214 | well, that's the third systemd bug today |
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| 03:03.10 | un214 | now that's a bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=947811 |
| 03:04.25 | dvs | dpkg is slow to summarize that bu |
| 03:04.25 | dpkg | dvs: I give up, what is it? |
| 03:04.29 | dvs | g |
| 03:04.50 | un214 | systemd tries to check mounted filesystems; fsck -A is smarter than that |
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| 03:09.25 | un214 | why the channel limit isn't just set to 10000 and forgotten I'll never know |
| 03:10.06 | hatter_ | I just upgraded a box to buster and I can't now mount a CIFS share : No dialect specified on mount. Default has changed to a more secure dialect, SMB2.1 or later (e.g. SMB3), from CIFS (SMB1). To use the less secure SMB1 dialect to access old servers which do not support SMB3 (or SMB2.1) specify vers=1.0 on mount. |
| 03:10.08 | ksk | flood prevention I suppose. Most likely it was needed some point in the past. |
| 03:10.19 | hatter_ | I tried putting vers=2.1 however it didn't work |
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| 03:10.42 | un214 | possible you need vers=1.0 ? |
| 03:11.12 | hatter_ | un214, not that didn't work |
| 03:11.18 | un214 | :( |
| 03:11.42 | un214 | you can also try 2.0 but I don't think it's gonna be better |
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| 03:16.01 | hatter_ | no joy :( |
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| 03:16.37 | un214 | I'd be guessing now |
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| 06:00.32 | orzo | i have a package that has the same name and version as a bullseye package which receives pin 500 |
| 06:00.37 | orzo | my locally built package is getting pin 501 as per my apt_preferences |
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| 06:00.51 | orzo | but it is still downloading the bullseye package when i tell it to install |
| 06:01.55 | orzo | I'm using local-apt-repository to maintain a local apt repository with packages i've built from source |
| 06:02.20 | orzo | how do i tell apt to prfer those when the same name and version exists form another source? |
| 06:03.02 | orzo | i assumed that all other things equal, it would select the higher pin number |
| 06:03.13 | orzo | but i guess that is not the case |
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| 06:40.40 | hatter_ | I just upgrade a stretch box to a buster box and KVM has an issue. Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 06:40.40 | hatter_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.40 | hatter_ | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 06:40.54 | hatter_ | virtlogd.service: Job virtlogd.service/start failed with result 'dependency'. |
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| 06:41.56 | hatter_ | the upgrade also uninstalled bridge-utils |
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