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| 00:09.53 | Freeaqingme | Howdy, I've got a Debian 10 (server) install that displays on every apt-get invocation "Error: timeout was reached". I deduced that it's due to the packagekit integration. What's the most logical way of fixing it? I could just delete the file from /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ and call it a day, but I may lose some functionality? |
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| 00:20.31 | LaurentDumont | Freeaqingme: Not too sure but I'm surprised at something as basic as APT failing in a General Release. |
| 00:21.01 | LaurentDumont | I'm seeing some really old reports from 2013-2014 blaming packagekit. |
| 00:21.05 | Freeaqingme | LaurentDumont: it does work. It just prints the error |
| 00:21.33 | Freeaqingme | but everything works just fine. There's a check to see if it works, and that check outputs it to stderr or something |
| 00:21.34 | LaurentDumont | Ah, I see. One of the bug mentioned that. |
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| 00:22.08 | Freeaqingme | I must admit it's not entirely a GA release, it's proxmox 6. but I do not expect them to have modified this part (didn't verify it either) |
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| 00:22.45 | Freeaqingme | the packagekit integration appears to be some ubuntu innovation that was backported to Debian, if I understand correctly |
| 00:23.16 | LaurentDumont | I'm running Proxmox 6 as well and did not see that on the 4 nodes I upgraded. |
| 00:23.18 | LaurentDumont | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=688428 |
| 00:23.19 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/688428 in packagekit (open): «apt times out post download when processing triggers»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-09-22; last modified: 2017-08-23. |
| 00:23.33 | LaurentDumont | Can you try - /usr/lib/packagekit/packagekitd --verbose |
| 00:23.56 | LaurentDumont | Looks like he removed the DB after : rm -f /var/lib/PackageKit/transactions.db and redid an "apt-get update". |
| 00:24.05 | LaurentDumont | Maybe take a backup of the file first ;) |
| 00:25.21 | Freeaqingme | I'm running hte command as we speak, but there's been no output for a full minute. Last line is "clearing download cache at /var/cache/PackageKit/downloads" |
| 00:25.31 | Freeaqingme | it looks like it's going to itmeout, at some point |
| 00:26.07 | Freeaqingme | This is the line that is invoked by apt, I think: /usr/bin/gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.PackageKit --object-path /org/freedesktop/PackageKit --timeout 4 --method org.freedesktop.PackageKit.StateHasChanged cache-update |
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| 00:28.28 | Freeaqingme | But, packagekit really looks like a tool to support GUI's. Does one even need it on a server? |
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| 00:30.38 | LaurentDumont | I'm not sure. I had never seen the term before today. |
| 00:30.47 | LaurentDumont | It doesn't seem to be on my Proxmox 6 install |
| 00:30.47 | LaurentDumont | root@bacon:~# dpkg -l | grep packagekit |
| 00:30.47 | LaurentDumont | root@bacon:~# ^C |
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| 00:32.27 | LaurentDumont | Could try this too - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1188455#c3 |
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| 00:32.43 | LaurentDumont | Did you install Proxmox 6 with the pre-made ISO? Or a Debian 10 transformed into a Proxmox? |
| 00:33.05 | LaurentDumont | I would be curious to know at what point the package was added. |
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| 00:39.09 | annadane | your computer is called bacon? :D |
| 00:39.13 | Freeaqingme | LaurentDumont: this is installed using the premade iso. But I did run my Puppet install on it. Let me see if I can find out when/why it was installed |
| 00:39.32 | Freeaqingme | I'm not doing anything specific with packaged in my puppet stuff, but it could of course be a dependency of something |
| 00:39.45 | Freeaqingme | the lack of google results makes it likely that it's very specific in a way to my situation |
| 00:39.47 | LaurentDumont | Of course! I have bacon, superbacon, ultrabacon and morebacon as Proxmox Hypervisors :D |
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| 00:40.17 | LaurentDumont | Yeah, I'm surprised it errors out - especially with bugs from 2012. |
| 00:40.30 | Freeaqingme | Aah, I install software-properties-common to support PPA's |
| 00:41.00 | Freeaqingme | that has packagekit as a recommends |
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| 00:41.33 | Freeaqingme | I did do some stracing, but couldn't find out immediately why it hangs. Suppose I'll just remove it, and install software-properties-common without the recommended packages |
| 00:41.47 | LaurentDumont | Sounds good to me. |
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| 00:45.02 | Freeaqingme | thanks :) |
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| 00:51.26 | hatter__ | When doing an OS upgrade, if I didn't install the maintainers conf file, where can I find it ? |
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| 00:52.14 | warsoul | if i install freebsd on a ssd it will apear on my grub to be bootable? |
| 00:52.58 | Guest90dcb | high |
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| 00:54.00 | Miles8of9 | what do i need to configure while or after installing debian on an ssd? |
| 00:54.01 | Guest90dcb | what about STEAM devops full live distro gaming |
| 00:54.26 | Guest90dcb | sharing pre-installed $HOME |
| 00:54.37 | Guest90dcb | repo games |
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| 00:54.57 | nvz | is there free stuff on steam for linux? |
| 00:55.17 | nvz | or is it just all commercial games? |
| 00:55.34 | Miles8of9 | steam os is interesting but you need to install it and replace your debian... |
| 00:55.48 | Guest90dcb | steam distribute mixed digital content |
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| 00:55.59 | nvz | I have steam on the debian box I setup as a gaming thing, but I didnt check it out cause I dont have an account |
| 00:56.21 | Freeaqingme | nvz: I run the steam app on ubuntu. I haven't noticed any content being offered for free, but there could be some software in there that happens to be free |
| 00:56.22 | nvz | and I'm not really into gaming I can't see spending money on games anytime in the near future :P |
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| 00:56.57 | Miles8of9 | no good games for linux... unfortunately :| |
| 00:57.00 | Freeaqingme | but if you're looking for free as in beer and foss software, all you need to do is check out debian's own repo's |
| 00:57.12 | Guest90dcb | its an option point the strict LIVE DISTRO GAMING, maybe someone contact them |
| 00:57.14 | Freeaqingme | some favorites of mine are 0ad and flightgear |
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| 00:57.47 | hgjjhgk | anyone from sydney |
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| 00:58.15 | joepublic | gratis is distinct from free |
| 00:58.30 | nvz | what most people call a good game these days, I find tiresome :P when I do play a game I just want something simple, intuitive, and non-commital.. that I dont have to spend an hour in a tutorial, then sucked into a story that takes 7000 hours |
| 00:58.50 | Freeaqingme | nvz: try 0ad |
| 00:59.04 | joepublic | Syndey population: 4,391,674 . |
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| 00:59.22 | nvz | I may have tried that.. I played hedgewars, bzflag, assault cube.. etc.. things I can just get into a game and get out as needed |
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| 01:00.00 | nvz | ah no I haven't tried 0ad.. looks a bit like the first two warcraft games |
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| 01:00.14 | Freeaqingme | joepublic: that's awfully accurate ;) |
| 01:00.35 | joepublic | it's probably a little low/out of date |
| 01:00.37 | Freeaqingme | nvz: I found it while looking for something like age of empires |
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| 01:17.40 | hatter__ | When did virtualbox stop being in Debian ? Was it in jessie then out for stretch ? |
| 01:17.52 | ksk | !virtualbox |
| 01:17.52 | dpkg | Oracle VM VirtualBox is an almost free software virtual machine solution. To install, see https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox or ask me about <vbox-install buster>, <vbox-install jessie>, <vbox-install wheezy>. http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox rename>, <vbox guest>, <vbox extpack>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>. |
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| 01:18.40 | hatter__ | it was in debian proper though at some stage, |
| 01:18.51 | warsoul | trying to install another OS on my pc |
| 01:18.57 | warsoul | have 2 HD free |
| 01:19.07 | warsoul | how do i know witch are free? |
| 01:19.46 | hatter__ | warsoul, do you mean the disks are installed in your PC and you don't know which is which ? |
| 01:19.56 | joepublic | hatter__, the link that explains is https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox |
| 01:20.09 | hatter__ | ksk, joepublic, thx |
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| 01:21.05 | hatter__ | aha, thx, says it all there. |
| 01:21.28 | warsoul | hatter__ yes |
| 01:21.41 | hatter__ | fdisk /dev/sda |
| 01:21.47 | hatter__ | or fdisk /dev/sdb etc |
| 01:22.05 | hatter__ | df |
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| 01:22.22 | hatter__ | will show you which drives are mounted |
| 01:22.40 | warsoul | fdisk not found |
| 01:23.05 | warsoul | sudo apt install fdisk? |
| 01:23.05 | hatter__ | warsoul, you are booted into a debian box ? |
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| 01:23.13 | warsoul | hatter__ yes |
| 01:23.43 | hatter__ | um, I always thought fdisk was part of the base install, somebody else may comment |
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| 01:25.01 | warsoul | fdisk is already the newest version (2.33.1-0.1). |
| 01:25.04 | warsoul | it is installed |
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| 01:25.29 | joepublic | fdisk is in /sbin, so in root's path, not a normal user's path |
| 01:25.39 | hatter__ | warsoul, I think if you are wondering how to use fdisk, perhaps you should do some reading up on linux first |
| 01:25.44 | hatter__ | fdisk can ruin your day. |
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| 01:26.25 | Guest90dcb | please debian team, optionnaly point and link to a figure image bootloader|shadow hash password |
| 01:26.26 | hatter__ | as joepulbic just said, perhaps you are not root. |
| 01:26.32 | warsoul | root@debian:/home/warsoul# fdisk /dev/sda |
| 01:26.32 | warsoul | bash: fdisk: command not found |
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| 01:43.56 | lenswipe | hey yall |
| 01:44.23 | lenswipe | My laptop went to sleep. I woke it up and now I have no audio. Just a "dummy audio" device. I've tried rebooting and the problem is still there |
| 01:44.26 | lenswipe | whats going on |
| 01:44.51 | lenswipe | sudo lspci -vv | grep -i audio shows 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Device 9d71 (rev 21) (prog-if 80) |
| 01:44.55 | Guest90dcb | point and link to a figure image bootloader|shadow hash password dynamic random tagged |
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| 01:45.19 | lenswipe | wat |
| 01:45.45 | joepublic | Guest90dcb is babbling about something unrelated |
| 01:46.18 | maxtim | lenswipe, i've had issues in the past with intel audio, I believe they're proprietary. |
| 01:46.50 | maxtim | is it a dell? (just curious) |
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| 01:58.18 | LtL | !timidity pulseaudio |
| 01:58.19 | dpkg | Some users have had <timidity> blocking access to their sound card, resulting in <pulseaudio> only seeing a dummy output. Check if timidity is running with 'systemctl status timidity' and stop/disable with 'systemctl stop timidity ; systemctl disable timidity' and/or remove the timidity-daemon package. |
| 01:58.58 | LtL | lenswipe: ^^^^ |
| 01:59.36 | maxtim | I'm over in virtualbox channel as well, but not getting much action. Can I ask here, despite it being slightly off topic (it is Debian 10 host)? |
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| 02:06.21 | LtL | warsoul: type 'whereis fdisk', if you haven't figured it out yet |
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| 02:19.10 | Guest74 | helol pippo's |
| 02:19.23 | dvs | ??? |
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| 02:19.56 | Guest74 | i think debian is missing, libinput logged active session foreground recaptcha hid |
| 02:21.37 | Guest74 | manycast suggestions are crit |
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| 02:27.13 | lenswipe | maxtim, yes it is |
| 02:27.28 | lenswipe | LtL, Yeah, I uninstalled timidity a while ago |
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| 02:28.34 | lenswipe | LtL, timidity was running...but apparently not installed |
| 02:28.34 | lenswipe | wat |
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| 02:28.58 | maxtim | So I created a .vmdk using `sudo vboxmanage` and I noticed that it's the exact same size as the usb i grabbed the raw from. Couldn't i just use `dd` to create an iso and boot from that in Oracle's VirtualBox? |
| 02:29.17 | maxtim | lenswipe, you installed the proprietary drivers? |
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| 02:29.49 | lenswipe | maxtim, nope |
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| 02:34.47 | lenswipe | maxtim, looks like Dell only ship the .exe |
| 02:35.14 | lenswipe | https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/04/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=88yyy |
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| 02:40.29 | maxtim | i think you need to enable `non-free` in sources, `apt update && apt upgrade`, and i forget which particular driver i installed, but the debian docs outta cover it |
| 02:41.04 | maxtim | lenswipe, that `/etc/apt/sources.list` |
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| 02:42.04 | lenswipe | Ah right, okay |
| 02:42.59 | maxtim | lenswipe, just google that output from lspci, it's like int-something-something. just a simple apt install xxx and you -should- be good |
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| 02:48.16 | Chiaki_Nanami | yummy |
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| 02:50.34 | Chiaki_Nanami | hi |
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| 02:54.12 | lenswipe | maxtim, thanks ill give that a shot |
| 02:55.39 | lenswipe | maxtim, oem-audio-hda-daily-dkms ? |
| 02:56.18 | maxtim | lenswipe, that doesn't sound right |
| 02:57.17 | maxtim | lenswipe, https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-intel-sound |
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| 03:03.15 | lenswipe | ah, weird - that didn't turn up in my google search results |
| 03:03.17 | lenswipe | Thanks :) |
| 03:03.40 | lenswipe | maxtim, |
| 03:03.47 | lenswipe | presumably I need to reboot for this to take effect |
| 03:05.30 | Guest74 | let keymaker create|add|associate|link app FILEMANAGER for exit |
| 03:05.49 | maxtim | yes lenswipe |
| 03:06.27 | maxtim | typically when you dabble with kernel level stuff, you'll need to reload. |
| 03:09.54 | Guest74 | please, guaranteed do not get logged linux|drivers |
| 03:10.23 | Guest74 | login|link to logged |
| 03:11.50 | Guest74 | nologin|nolink to already logged |
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| 03:12.11 | joepublic | here are several socks. please begin to eat them. |
| 03:12.11 | Guest74 | account |
| 03:12.48 | lenswipe | gotcha |
| 03:12.59 | Guest74 | noneed to shouy on you |
| 03:13.07 | lenswipe | Guest74, dafuq are you talking about? |
| 03:13.18 | Guest74 | not uptou |
| 03:13.24 | lenswipe | ??? |
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| 03:14.42 | maxtim | lenswipe, Guest74 dealing with a different issue, I'm not sure how to help either. Someone else might, but the question isn't very coherent |
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| 03:15.56 | lenswipe | indeed |
| 03:16.15 | lenswipe | I'm reminded of big bang theory when sheldon tried to speak mandarin |
| 03:16.20 | lenswipe | https://live.staticflickr.com/3518/3245462722_b325abe6c5_z.jpg |
| 03:16.27 | lenswipe | https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2e/c8/8f/2ec88f04015bcb8ba96ebc4cf494c51d.jpg |
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| 03:16.54 | maxtim | !topic |
| 03:17.12 | lenswipe | br |
| 03:17.14 | lenswipe | brb |
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| 03:55.57 | SociallyStrange1 | Hi. |
| 03:56.43 | BigBlueDolphin | I hate fedora. Does anybody else just love Debian 10. |
| 03:56.55 | maxtim | eye |
| 03:57.15 | maxtim | stability is key |
| 03:57.29 | BigBlueDolphin | True. |
| 03:57.41 | BigBlueDolphin | I cannot stand Arch with constant updates that break the system. |
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| 03:57.59 | BazookaTooth | then don't use it |
| 03:58.08 | BigBlueDolphin | I don't use it. |
| 03:58.12 | BigBlueDolphin | I only use Debian |
| 03:58.18 | BazookaTooth | so why jab at arch? |
| 03:58.32 | BigBlueDolphin | Why not? It's terrible, same with their community. |
| 03:58.40 | BazookaTooth | really? |
| 03:58.54 | BigBlueDolphin | Yes, everybody on 4chan /g/ says to use it, but please stay away from it. |
| 03:59.07 | maxtim | I'd like to try at Arch again someday. I disagree with their community aspect |
| 03:59.29 | BigBlueDolphin | They also say Debian sucks, which is a lie. Arch doesn't include the Linux Kernel by default and you have to install it manually (run a bunch of commands). |
| 03:59.31 | BazookaTooth | the only reason debian is stable is because the packages are old and people here even use the archwiki for recommendations |
| 03:59.34 | JackFrost | Different distros for different folks, that's all there is. |
| 03:59.37 | maxtim | wtf, 4chan? |
| 03:59.40 | BigBlueDolphin | Yep. |
| 04:00.01 | BazookaTooth | JackFrost: reasonable response |
| 04:00.17 | maxtim | ate |
| 04:00.18 | BigBlueDolphin | I find compiling apps to be fun. |
| 04:00.23 | maxtim | aye* |
| 04:00.25 | BigBlueDolphin | until it breaks. |
| 04:00.29 | BazookaTooth | arch says debian is old. they don't say it sucks |
| 04:00.54 | BazookaTooth | unless you can quote that from a dev? |
| 04:00.57 | JackFrost | Regardless, this all seems unrelated to Debian support. |
| 04:01.07 | BigBlueDolphin | No, I meant most users who use Arch say Debian sucks. |
| 04:01.10 | maxtim | arch = bleeding edge, debian = stability |
| 04:01.16 | BazookaTooth | ^ |
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| 04:01.50 | maxtim | at least they don't force bleeding edge and break things... *cough* windows *cough* |
| 04:01.55 | BigBlueDolphin | I wish there was firefox-developer-edition in the main repository. |
| 04:01.59 | BazookaTooth | you complained about arch |
| 04:02.01 | BigBlueDolphin | I had to install it manually. |
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| 04:02.28 | BigBlueDolphin | Many useful and open-source apps are missing from debian's repository. |
| 04:02.45 | annadane | i'm not sure anyone ever truly only uses debian stable packages for *everything*, we probably tend to add one or two newer things |
| 04:03.00 | BigBlueDolphin | Yep, that's true. I added debian-multimedia |
| 04:03.07 | annadane | !debian-multimedia |
| 04:03.08 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm buster>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 04:03.23 | BigBlueDolphin | Oh, okay. |
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| 04:03.41 | BigBlueDolphin | My system has been up for 11 days, 16 hours, 12 mins without any problems. |
| 04:03.42 | annadane | and yeah i do use firefox regular instead of esr |
| 04:03.59 | annadane | fasttrack.debian.net aims to try to address some of this |
| 04:03.59 | BazookaTooth | i use arch, debian, centos. they all have a purpose, and i don't say one sucks over the other |
| 04:04.11 | BigBlueDolphin | I needed dark mode, so I used the developer edition because I occasionally do PHP programming. |
| 04:04.12 | maxtim | I don't think anyone uses stock debian. pretty sure one installs it as a solid baseline |
| 04:04.20 | BigBlueDolphin | My sources list is |
| 04:04.27 | BigBlueDolphin | # deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ buster main |
| 04:04.28 | BigBlueDolphin | deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ buster main |
| 04:04.28 | BigBlueDolphin | deb-src http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ buster main |
| 04:04.28 | BigBlueDolphin | deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main |
| 04:04.28 | BigBlueDolphin | deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main |
| 04:05.12 | BazookaTooth | keep your comments to yourself then please |
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| 04:05.39 | annadane | !paste |
| 04:05.39 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 04:05.49 | BigBlueDolphin | Maybe I made an error by posting my apt sources.list? |
| 04:06.02 | BigBlueDolphin | I was unaware of this, thanks. |
| 04:06.15 | BigBlueDolphin | Had to change my VPN location. |
| 04:06.17 | BazookaTooth | bashing other distros is just poor character |
| 04:06.27 | maxtim | agreed |
| 04:06.44 | BigBlueDolphin | and that was why I browsing 4chan because of this. It's just too draining. |
| 04:06.52 | BigBlueDolphin | Oops, stopped. |
| 04:06.53 | BazookaTooth | right... |
| 04:07.24 | BigBlueDolphin | I recently installed Armbian (Debian-based) onto my Orange Pi and it's just like the normal Debian, but for ARM. |
| 04:07.32 | maxtim | Yeah I wouldn't browse 4chan for anything... just my humble opinion |
| 04:07.36 | annadane | i can see myself using arch for specialized purposes, like programming, where i want the latest versions of languages, but for my regular desktop it's debian stable |
| 04:07.55 | BazookaTooth | ^ this is a good example |
| 04:08.06 | annadane | though of course you can still get latest languages in debian stable, just takes longer than a simple pacman command |
| 04:08.28 | BigBlueDolphin | Let me find an example of an Debian-bashing reply on 4chan. Give me a couple of mins, ok? |
| 04:08.37 | annadane | no |
| 04:08.38 | BazookaTooth | stop it dude wtf |
| 04:08.40 | annadane | #debian-offtopic |
| 04:09.15 | BazookaTooth | prolly the same guy we had in #archlinux earlier |
| 04:09.20 | BazookaTooth | o/ |
| 04:09.26 | BigBlueDolphin | They hate Raspberry Pis. Never heard of that IRC channel. |
| 04:09.35 | BigBlueDolphin | Compare my IP then. |
| 04:09.46 | BazookaTooth | oh cuz that means something.. try mine |
| 04:10.03 | BigBlueDolphin | Oh, tor, that's good. |
| 04:10.37 | BazookaTooth | freenode hosts #raspbian and #archlinux-arm |
| 04:10.45 | annadane | anyway, please don't fight, many distros are fine for their own purposes |
| 04:10.50 | BigBlueDolphin | Doesn't surprise me that the people on 4chan/g/ believe 90s web design was easier. It was hell; enjoy the <th>. Okay. |
| 04:10.54 | annadane | you can use more than one at a time |
| 04:11.07 | BigBlueDolphin | I know, I'll check it out. |
| 04:11.12 | BazookaTooth | the hell is the guy on about? |
| 04:11.20 | annadane | except kali, that really shouldn't be used as a desktop |
| 04:11.32 | BazookaTooth | annadane: laptops with low memory |
| 04:11.53 | BigBlueDolphin | Those script kiddies love "penetration OSes", when they can be replicated with Debian. |
| 04:11.56 | BazookaTooth | mobile devices |
| 04:12.00 | BigBlueDolphin | Checking out #armbian. |
| 04:12.16 | BazookaTooth | annadane: kali has its place |
| 04:12.35 | BazookaTooth | this twit on the other hand |
| 04:12.41 | oiaohm | BigBlueDolphin: 90s web desgin was easier than today. Mostly because over all you could do less with sites. |
| 04:13.03 | BazookaTooth | trollerskates |
| 04:13.22 | oiaohm | BazookaTooth: back then I used javascript to make a fake frames resulting in finding out that you could reboot windows by internet explorer. |
| 04:13.25 | annadane | kali has its place for *experts*, not people asking "how do i use it" |
| 04:13.39 | BigBlueDolphin | Interesting. |
| 04:13.43 | oiaohm | annadane: I am not sure I would say kali has place with experts. |
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| 04:14.27 | BazookaTooth | company laptop and a kali stick.. job done |
| 04:14.56 | BigBlueDolphin | What was the early Debian days like? Did you have to compile it? |
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| 04:15.43 | BazookaTooth | annadane: fair.. grey line baited |
| 04:16.08 | oiaohm | BazookaTooth: I am a parrot OS user for penetration testing. |
| 04:16.20 | BazookaTooth | good for you i hate parrot |
| 04:16.37 | BigBlueDolphin | Can dolphins use Debian? |
| 04:16.42 | annadane | at least parrot is partially meant as a desktop, can be used as such... kali just isn't |
| 04:16.50 | BigBlueDolphin | I meant a dolphin plush. |
| 04:16.56 | annadane | i woudn't recommend parrot, but still |
| 04:17.09 | BazookaTooth | ^ |
| 04:17.14 | annadane | not to a new user willy-nilly, that is |
| 04:17.40 | oiaohm | BazookaTooth: Debian was always a binary distribution. My oldest upgraded in place install and cloned from harddrive to hardrive tracks back to 1996. |
| 04:17.49 | BazookaTooth | kali is still defacto unless custom toolsets.. then we get into arch and blah blah |
| 04:18.04 | BigBlueDolphin | I hate how Ubuntu uses Debian. They ruined GNU/Linux with telemetry. |
| 04:18.17 | BazookaTooth | my laptop runs kali from metal because low ram |
| 04:18.31 | BazookaTooth | most should be doing vm |
| 04:18.34 | BigBlueDolphin | It introduced a bunch of dumber users who believe the GUI is better than the terminal. |
| 04:19.30 | oiaohm | BazookaTooth: one of the reasons for parrot usage by me is lower ram requirement than kali to function right. |
| 04:19.36 | BazookaTooth | they also seemed to have hired someone with ux experiance because it got better recently |
| 04:19.41 | oiaohm | I do use BlackArch |
| 04:19.44 | oiaohm | as well. |
| 04:20.00 | BazookaTooth | my main is blackarch but most of the tools are in default arch repos |
| 04:20.29 | oiaohm | Of course parrot, blackarch.. Security testing distributions are really not for the beginner who can be careless. |
| 04:20.45 | oiaohm | There items that can get you into legal hell really quickly. |
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| 04:21.19 | BazookaTooth | then don't play with them if you don't know why you need the tools in the first place |
| 04:21.51 | oiaohm | yet you see a lot of noobies running kali to be cool. |
| 04:22.02 | BazookaTooth | parrot basically stole the tor switch from someone else so, not fond |
| 04:22.28 | BazookaTooth | they broke ipv6 a few times which was enough to ignore them |
| 04:23.37 | oiaohm | kali has broken the complete network stack a few times as well. Broken ipv6 is kind of better than broken network stack totally making a pentration test fail when it should have suceed so you reported fault. |
| 04:23.43 | annadane | the main issue is people coming with parrot or kali, into #debian looking for help - people who know what they're doing wouldn't do that, so you can safely assume they shouldn't use them |
| 04:24.10 | annadane | now, these distros have a nasty habit of setting the default channel to #debian |
| 04:24.15 | annadane | which is not the user's fault |
| 04:24.16 | annadane | still... |
| 04:24.46 | BigBlueDolphin | Don't forget about those terrible $10 udemy courses about "ethical haxxing". |
| 04:25.11 | BazookaTooth | well yes and no. kali broke on me during an offsec course and i didnt get help in the kali channel. i did get help here tho but i had plenty linux experience |
| 04:25.29 | BazookaTooth | udemy can die |
| 04:25.39 | BazookaTooth | they all just rip each other off |
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| 04:26.35 | BazookaTooth | that whole "dont use root" thing.. if you run metasploit on debian versus kali.. big difference |
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| 04:27.24 | BazookaTooth | most of the tools used on kali need root, so this is why you run it in a vm |
| 04:27.56 | BazookaTooth | arch has similar thing with metasploit not letting you run metasploit as root |
| 04:28.39 | oiaohm | To be correct needing something to run as root does not mean you have to run the complete desktop as root. |
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| 04:29.06 | BazookaTooth | when you need to be fast... |
| 04:29.24 | BazookaTooth | root makes sense with kali |
| 04:29.26 | oiaohm | BazookaTooth: No running complete desktop as root can in fact result in slower. |
| 04:29.58 | oiaohm | So running complete desktop as root does not make sense is sign of lazy. |
| 04:30.15 | BazookaTooth | lack of clear purpose |
| 04:30.28 | BazookaTooth | kali isnt looking youtube and snapchat |
| 04:30.38 | oiaohm | I am talking about pentration testing. |
| 04:30.53 | oiaohm | Not all things that you run in pentration testing need root either. |
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| 04:31.13 | BazookaTooth | then you know the difference between running kali and running arch with black repos? |
| 04:31.26 | BigBlueDolphin | WinBlows 98 is terrible |
| 04:31.40 | BazookaTooth | kali is faster |
| 04:31.56 | oiaohm | BigBlueDolphin: Yes and the differences in performance after customised |
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| 04:32.02 | BigBlueDolphin | Does anybody hate those eBay sellers who sell a LibreOffice download link? |
| 04:32.15 | oiaohm | BigBlueDolphin: arch with black repos does not have as optimised kernel. |
| 04:32.25 | BazookaTooth | oh wow |
| 04:32.30 | oiaohm | BigBlueDolphin: that can come back and bite you with kali. |
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| 04:32.51 | BazookaTooth | this is what i sound like sometimes so.. |
| 04:32.59 | BigBlueDolphin | Somebodies triggered in their safe space. |
| 04:33.15 | BazookaTooth | given that he's aiming at you and not me? |
| 04:33.18 | BazookaTooth | dunno |
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| 04:33.48 | oiaohm | kali has a kernel with alterations to the network stack to help with wifi pentration testing. This can at times hurt your cabled in network scans. |
| 04:33.52 | BigBlueDolphin | How can I get a HP ScanJet 4400c working under Debian? Do I have to recompile the kernel (found article on it)? |
| 04:34.00 | BazookaTooth | kali expects you to know wtf you are doing |
| 04:34.06 | oiaohm | BigBlueDolphin: so kali is not always faster. |
| 04:34.16 | oiaohm | Also can screw up horriblely as well. |
| 04:34.33 | oiaohm | Because of somethings done to make it faster. |
| 04:34.43 | LaurentDumont | I'm not sure I would run my daily desktop with Kali :| |
| 04:35.30 | BazookaTooth | laptop with 4gb ram.. better to bare metal |
| 04:36.30 | BazookaTooth | people still think kali is a script kiddie distro. the kids are getting faster and just using to abuse |
| 04:37.00 | BigBlueDolphin | Blame YouTube for it |
| 04:37.18 | BazookaTooth | for teaching dhs how kids are breaking into things? |
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| 04:37.52 | BazookaTooth | we have all these new 3 and 4 letter agencies that still suck |
| 04:37.55 | oiaohm | BigBlueDolphin: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo Depends on you distribution. HP ScanJet 4400c should not need a kernel rebuild. Now will you have all the xsane parts installed and the hp printer drivers installed is another matter that it fully works. |
| 04:38.29 | BazookaTooth | blame youtube |
| 04:39.05 | BigBlueDolphin | Thanks, oiaohm, I'll try it out. |
| 04:39.29 | BigBlueDolphin | sudo apt install -y xsane time |
| 04:39.33 | oiaohm | BigBlueDolphin: libsane-extras https://packages.debian.org/stretch/libsane-extras << I am not sure if this will be still required.. |
| 04:39.47 | oiaohm | BigBlueDolphin: or if its now all mainline xsane |
| 04:40.29 | BigBlueDolphin | and I'm out of desk space thanks to my 27" 4K (Asus @ 1440p 60fps) and CRT monitor (Viewsonic G90F+) |
| 04:40.49 | LaurentDumont | Why a CRT? |
| 04:40.58 | BigBlueDolphin | Older systems, like XP, etc. |
| 04:41.20 | BazookaTooth | that model is really good..used them for autocad |
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| 04:41.36 | oiaohm | BigBlueDolphin: https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/hplip << Note I said hp printer drivers. There is a scanner driver in there as well. |
| 04:41.40 | BazookaTooth | g9* 21 inchers |
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| 04:42.09 | BigBlueDolphin | Got it from my Dad's work. There were 4, but my Dad could only carry 2 of them (one of them was a crap Chinese Hitachi that has bad caps). |
| 04:42.31 | oiaohm | Even for old systems I don't use CRT any more. |
| 04:42.33 | BazookaTooth | yeah they weigh like 60# |
| 04:42.52 | BazookaTooth | well if he's got access to em |
| 04:43.00 | BigBlueDolphin | No, they are 24kg and it's a 19 incher. |
| 04:43.08 | BazookaTooth | BOO |
| 04:43.14 | LaurentDumont | They are just so heavy and so long. |
| 04:43.20 | BazookaTooth | hehe |
| 04:43.26 | LaurentDumont | Take a crap load of space. Not even sure I could make it fit on my current desk. |
| 04:43.40 | BazookaTooth | yes.. some people in here dont even know wtf a crt is |
| 04:43.45 | BigBlueDolphin | Doom 1 under DOS is crisp. I have 2 desks, and one of them is Australian-made, so I can accommodate 3 of them |
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| 04:45.01 | BigBlueDolphin | xsane works with it! |
| 04:45.02 | BigBlueDolphin | Thanks! |
| 04:45.33 | oiaohm | BigBlueDolphin: so extras package no longer required. I last had to deal with one of those 5 years ago. |
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| 04:46.32 | BigBlueDolphin | The Viewsonic CRT has a slight scratch on it thanks to how my Dad handled it while carrying it to the car (500m). |
| 04:46.58 | BazookaTooth | measured a 21 incher in my garage.. 28 inches long |
| 04:47.03 | BazookaTooth | XD |
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| 04:47.50 | BazookaTooth | the whole explosive cathode tube thing is also amusing |
| 04:48.08 | BigBlueDolphin | They don't explode, they just fail. |
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| 04:48.17 | BazookaTooth | disposal manuals on how to pop the cathode |
| 04:48.23 | oiaohm | BigBlueDolphin: https://www.amazon.com.au/FOINNEX-Converter-Computer-Projector-Portable/dp/B07121Y1Z3 << I use these kind of converters on old systems with vga only because I am unable to move old crt around. |
| 04:48.45 | oiaohm | Modern LCD is a lot lighter. |
| 04:49.04 | BigBlueDolphin | I know. I have loads of these adaptors anyways from my Dad's work. They were sealed and new. |
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| 04:49.17 | BigBlueDolphin | I have 2 LCDs, but I love my CRT. |
| 04:51.50 | BazookaTooth | you know those projector bulbs from older style theatres from the same era? the maintenance teams look like eod. they shatter the glass on the cars in the parking lot when tossed off the roof |
| 04:53.09 | BazookaTooth | learned why much later but still interesting |
| 04:53.40 | BazookaTooth | everything is digital now so.. not so fun |
| 04:54.02 | oiaohm | Some projectors are still using horrible bulbs. |
| 04:54.18 | BazookaTooth | they are awesome |
| 04:54.46 | BazookaTooth | and your maintenance guys where bomb suits to replace the bulbs |
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| 04:55.16 | BazookaTooth | if not.. then not talking about same era projectors but whatever |
| 04:55.48 | BazookaTooth | the projection house was built to stop a grenade for the same reason |
| 04:57.01 | BazookaTooth | mentioned this last year or something.. seems familiar |
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| 04:58.23 | oiaohm | BazookaTooth: Yes the destruction instructions is still put bubble in particular case and drop it until bulb shatters. |
| 04:58.36 | oiaohm | BazookaTooth: bubble/bulb |
| 04:58.50 | oiaohm | What may end being 3 stories. |
| 04:58.53 | BazookaTooth | yeah we just tossed them off the room and learned to park on the other side of the lot |
| 04:59.00 | BazookaTooth | roof |
| 04:59.14 | BazookaTooth | was def 3 stories |
| 04:59.41 | oiaohm | Using proper case to prevent glass going everywhere or not. |
| 04:59.56 | BazookaTooth | bunch of high theatre kids? |
| 04:59.59 | BazookaTooth | cmon |
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| 05:01.09 | BazookaTooth | anyway.. yeah i got concerned when saw the eod looking guys come in and they were like.. "we need to change the bulb on xyz" XD |
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| 05:02.53 | BazookaTooth | fight club "cigarette burn" comment still kinda urks me. using those stupid tape machines was terrible |
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| 05:13.48 | BazookaTooth | oiaohm: are those still around? |
| 05:14.09 | BazookaTooth | offtopic but wildly curious |
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| 05:18.53 | bigbluedolphin | Hi. My HP ScanJet 4400c gives me a broken pipe error in xsane |
| 05:18.58 | bigbluedolphin | under Debian 10. |
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| 05:41.59 | bigbluedolphin | Outrageous: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Libre-Office-5-professional-Office-Software-Suite-for-Microsoft-Windows-platform/301758407795?hash=item464233e473:g:isgAAOSwal5YIiit |
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| 05:44.05 | annadane | okay, we get it... |
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| 05:45.14 | oiaohm | bigbluedolphin: https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/hplip << Note I said hp printer drivers. There is a scanner driver in there as well. I guess that is installed that not installed in some case can cause the broken pipe error. |
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| 05:45.28 | bigbluedolphin | Thanks. |
| 05:45.54 | bigbluedolphin | and I already have it installed :( |
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| 05:52.45 | annadane | if i want to file a bug against the su man page, what do i enter as the package in reportbug? |
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| 05:55.21 | annadane | nvm, will go ask in #debian-bugs |
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| 05:59.35 | nvz | annadane: util-linux |
| 05:59.58 | annadane | yeah, figured it out |
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| 06:02.42 | nvz | or just put Package: util-linux Version: 2.33.1-0.1 as the first two lines of an email to submit@bugs.debian.org with a concise subject line indicating that there is an problem with the su manpage.. like a normal human being :D |
| 06:02.56 | nvz | hates reportbug |
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| 06:15.44 | warsoul | just installed freebsd |
| 06:15.51 | warsoul | but dont see it bootable on the grub |
| 06:15.53 | warsoul | how can i add it? |
| 06:16.11 | annadane | freebsd... is not... debian |
| 06:16.16 | annadane | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.49 | annadane | oh, shared grub between debian and freebsd. okay, but i'd probably ask there |
| 06:16.59 | diogenes_ | warsoul, you need custom.cfg for BSD. |
| 06:18.23 | warsoul | diogenes_ how i do that |
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| 06:20.38 | diogenes_ | warsoul, create /boot/grub/custom.cfg |
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| 06:21.10 | diogenes_ | and there you add the entry for BSD. |
| 06:21.17 | warsoul | diogenes_ how i add the entry |
| 06:21.18 | warsoul | ? |
| 06:21.43 | diogenes_ | warsoul, i'll pastebin. |
| 06:22.24 | warsoul | ok |
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