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| 00:38.15 | Leggequadro1 | ciao |
| 00:38.18 | Leggequadro1 | !list |
| 00:38.18 | dpkg | leggequadro1: Ã possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ ! |
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| 00:51.45 | joepublic | I wonder does "list" stand for "Legendary Italian STatement" |
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| 00:52.59 | Malivaso | legendary italian statement |
| 00:53.52 | Malivaso | now im just gonna type /legendaryitalianstatement instead of /list |
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| 00:55.20 | Malivaso | welcome other eisting being |
| 00:55.24 | Malivaso | existing |
| 00:56.29 | somiaj | it is a warez thing for bots to list downloadable software |
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| 01:01.23 | joepublic | hi, welcome to freenode. bots here list free software. this concludes your orientation. |
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| 01:15.28 | blowry | whenever i leave channels it's usually because i need to Leaving |
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| 01:16.00 | Malivaso | yeah, same |
| 01:16.07 | Malivaso | in fact i need to do it right now |
| 01:16.30 | gsharp_ | Hey everyone, is it necessary to use Debian OS for contributing to student projects(GSoC) related to Debian, or can I not use any other LINUX distro? Might be a very silly question! |
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| 01:18.05 | gsharp_ | Maybe the Debian Cloud Image Finder project for example in SummerOfCode2019? |
| 01:18.30 | Malivaso | oh hi |
| 01:19.12 | Malivaso | i never leave because of 258 seconds |
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| 01:21.32 | Malivaso | what in the hecc is a tds |
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| 01:24.19 | somiaj | gsharp_: might depend on what you want to contribute, but you could easily run debian inside a chroot of your os of choice as well |
| 01:24.35 | somiaj | gsharp_: you can also build debian packages inside a debian chroot. |
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| 01:33.53 | moistmoskito | heya all |
| 01:33.55 | moistmoskito | mt |
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| 01:36.58 | somiaj | gsharp_: so yes it is possible to work on debian from another distro of choice, but you'll want to have a debian chroot (or even vm) for buildign debian packages and working with debian. |
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| 01:47.20 | gsharp_ | somiaj: Thanks :) |
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| 01:57.43 | somiaj | gsharp_: you might want to look into debootstrap if you don't know what it is, works from almost any distro. |
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| 02:10.37 | Gigglebyte | Is there an android emulator that will work on a Debian laptop? |
| 02:12.07 | Gigglebyte | Supposedly anbox will do the job, but I could never get it to work. |
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| 02:25.41 | yikoru | hi i wish separate the /usr/bin partition but how when i do the system dont start and show a kernel panic, i know need to show in the system where is the program data but i dont how |
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| 03:44.08 | Gigglebyte | Anyone recall who is doing the backports for Nvidia Firmware (non-free miscellaneous)?? |
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| 03:44.51 | Gigglebyte | I receive an error message indicating the following file is missing when installing the Android emulator on my laptop /lib/firmware/nvidia/gv100/acr/ucode_load.bin |
| 03:44.56 | somiaj | you mean the firmware-misc-nonfree pckage? |
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| 03:47.38 | somiaj | though it seems strange to me that the andriod emulator wants gpu firmware. |
| 03:48.04 | somiaj | though I guess it might want better graphics capaibilities if using nouveau |
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| 04:57.23 | DaRock | hey guys |
| 04:58.18 | DaRock | I've written a install image to usb disk, but I need to add a dtb for arm64 image and I'm hitting write protected issues - is there a way to disable write protect? |
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| 05:10.01 | somiaj | the iso images are like cdimages, they are read only (even on a usbstick), You need to make a second partition or use a second drive |
| 05:10.51 | pie3 | what is import sys in python? |
| 05:11.09 | DaRock | how would that be useful or even possible? |
| 05:11.10 | pie3 | & modulefunction(int(sys.argv[1])) |
| 05:11.25 | DaRock | the uboot looks in specific places for the dtb file |
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| 05:11.48 | DaRock | so a second partition or drive isn't really going to help in that instance |
| 05:12.16 | DaRock | is there a more detailed guide on booting debian installer using efi on arm64 at all? |
| 05:12.34 | somiaj | pie3: a python channel maybe more appropriate |
| 05:13.26 | somiaj | DaRock: maybe #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net has more experience with such things |
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| 05:15.28 | DaRock | I'll give that a shot then... thx |
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| 05:24.00 | fuxxy | Is there a set up a minimalist gui in the same manner that raspbian provides? (eg, no login, no powersave, not all the bells and whistles that Gnome/KDE provide) |
| 05:25.26 | fuxxy | It appears that raspbian runs LXDE as a gui, I guess I can start there |
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| 05:30.12 | shiftup | hi, anyone use Proxmox? |
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| 05:30.58 | annadane | !proxmox |
| 05:30.58 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 05:31.05 | sponix | somiaj: you got anything you would like to see documented that I should add to my "How To" list ? https://pastebin.com/VgBc3zLf |
| 05:31.38 | sponix | shiftup: I can tell you if you are about to attempt laying Proxmox on top of Debian 10 the meta packages are broken :P |
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| 05:32.32 | shiftup | no. i just need a db dump from /var/lib/pve-cluster/config.db (cause i edited my and I need to put something back that i removed) |
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| 05:42.55 | somiaj | sponix: are those how to's for mint? |
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| 05:44.17 | sponix | somiaj: Some are, others are Debian 10 |
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| 05:44.59 | somiaj | well no real suggestions from me, though I'd suggest putting debian stuff on the debian wiki, and lots of what you ahve there is already in factoids and on the debian wiki. |
| 05:45.40 | somiaj | but most of that seems mint related, so maybe the mint community would have suggestions |
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| 05:48.48 | sponix | somiaj: gonna sound dumb, but I do most of the really basic stuff for Mint... Because its users are typically more basic themselves. And anything a bit more advanced I do on Debian 10 (like this Mariadb/phpmyadmin I'm gearing up for) |
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| 06:12.57 | bsdnoob | how can I allow non root user to manage tun deviceS? |
| 06:15.29 | nvz | fuxxy: I'd highly recommend not using the wicd that comes with LXDE/LXQt |
| 06:15.29 | sponix | bsdnoob: possibly with them having either sudo access, or access to whatever group tun needs ? |
| 06:16.31 | bsdnoob | sponix, running in development mode, tried of writing password in sudo and also ide is unable to kill process |
| 06:16.39 | nvz | unless you like your network control being more like a slot machine.. and gambiling on when you'll be connected or not |
| 06:17.22 | bsdnoob | sponix, I thought it needs netdev group |
| 06:17.31 | bsdnoob | but still I get ioctl operation not permitted |
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| 06:18.07 | nvz | bsdnoob: ls -l /dev/tun or w/e |
| 06:18.23 | nvz | bsdnoob: you can use udev to control this stuff, make it whatever you want it to be |
| 06:18.42 | fuxxy | nvz, Thanks for the tip. I use wired connections configured through command line, so a network manager isnt even needed in my use case. |
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| 06:19.49 | nvz | fuxxy: yeah well if you want something that looks like the lxde/lxqt without the extras, you can look at icewm, fvwm, etc.. cause lxde/lxqt are still full DEs where some wm come with a panel and desktop built in |
| 06:20.01 | bsdnoob | nvz, that's what I thought, and I added this rule |
| 06:20.02 | bsdnoob | NEL=="tun", GROUP="netdev", MODE="0777", OPTIONS+="static_node=net/tun" |
| 06:20.05 | bsdnoob | is it correct? |
| 06:20.10 | nvz | fuxxy: you could also just pair up things like openbox or w/e with tint2 or such panels |
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| 06:20.36 | fuxxy | nvz, I actually uninstalled LXDE as soon as it finished installing. I'm going to use fluxbox instead |
| 06:21.03 | nvz | bsdnoob: bsdnoob: idk wth NEL=="tun" is suppose to mean |
| 06:21.33 | nvz | fuxxy: well check into fluxbox, blackbox, openbox, cause they're all very similar with different resource usages |
| 06:21.48 | bsdnoob | nvz, whoops I mean KERNEL=="tun" |
| 06:21.48 | nvz | I haven't checked them out lately to see which is wich |
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| 06:22.57 | nvz | bsdnoob: there is no point setting a group if you're setting the mode to 777 |
| 06:23.14 | bsdnoob | yeah |
| 06:23.15 | nvz | bsdnoob: did you reload the rules after doing that? |
| 06:23.30 | bsdnoob | nvz, yeah udevadm control --reload-rules |
| 06:23.44 | bsdnoob | I still get ioctl error |
| 06:24.11 | nvz | and what does ls -l /dev/net/tun say? |
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| 06:25.15 | bsdnoob | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 10, 200 Dec 15 11:48 /dev/net/tun |
| 06:26.21 | nvz | yeah well that rule obviously isn't working.. I'm not intimately familiar with udev rules, but I dont like the look of what you got there |
| 06:27.34 | bsdnoob | if it helps, I am running this syscall after opening /dev/net/tun |
| 06:27.45 | bsdnoob | ioctl(<fd>, TUNSETIFF, ....) |
| 06:27.49 | nvz | first of all 777 is a ridiculous permission for a device node.. it doesnt need +x, group ownership and world rwx are asinine.. I don't even know about the OPTIONS static_node I normally use SYMLINK+= |
| 06:28.35 | bsdnoob | lets try with 666 and SYMLINK then |
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| 06:29.54 | Katana_Steel | 666 is generally a better permission mode for files... if they can't be 644 or 640 |
| 06:30.22 | bsdnoob | nah, still permission denied |
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| 06:31.39 | nvz | it doesn't matter that the permission is denied if the rule isn't actually being applied |
| 06:31.45 | nvz | all that matters is what ls -l says |
| 06:32.39 | bsdnoob | nvz, same |
| 06:33.07 | nvz | what is it you're actually trying to do here? |
| 06:33.43 | bsdnoob | opening a tun device by non root user |
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| 06:45.51 | Katana_Steel | https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/tuntap.txt this might be worth a read... |
| 06:46.09 | nvz | bsdnoob: the problem is you're trying to assign it to a node already in use |
| 06:48.14 | nvz | bsdnoob: echo "KERNEL==\"tun\", GROUP=\"netdev\", MODE=\"0660\"" > /etc/udev/rules.d/10tun.rules && udevadm control --reload-rules && modprobe tun && ls -l /dev/net/tun |
| 06:48.16 | nvz | crw-rw---- 1 root netdev 10, 200 Sep 14 22:36 /dev/net/tun |
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| 06:48.59 | nvz | bsdnoob: you can't tell something that is already /dev/net/tun to be /dev/net/tun is what the problem was, its a conflicting device node |
| 06:49.20 | Katana_Steel | To create a new tun0 device you don't need udev, it will be a network interface not a character device. /dev/net/tun is just the controller used to create the interfaces |
| 06:49.45 | nvz | they're not trying to create interfaces, they're trying to change permissions of them |
| 06:49.49 | nvz | for that you use udev |
| 06:50.01 | nvz | as I just demonstrated |
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| 06:50.28 | Katana_Steel | However his was 666 already... |
| 06:51.06 | nvz | yeah well udevadm test.. blah blah blah.. would've shown a conflict |
| 06:51.16 | nvz | who knows what that was doing to the actual device node |
| 06:51.26 | nvz | that he had a rule that made no sense in there |
| 06:51.42 | nvz | and you don't want your device node being 777 or 666 |
| 06:52.16 | nvz | that rule I showed will make all nodes created by the tun driver owned by netdev with rw permissions to that group |
| 06:52.34 | nvz | and will not cause device node conflicts |
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| 06:52.57 | Katana_Steel | "There's no harm in allowing the device to be accessible by non-root users, since CAP_NET_ADMIN is required for creating network devices" |
| 06:53.30 | nvz | I don't have enough (any) information on what they're actually trying to do.. so all I can do is debug the part they've shown me.. the udev and permissions |
| 06:54.56 | Katana_Steel | I inferred from the 'permission denied' that they were trying to create a tun interface |
| 06:55.07 | nvz | I can neither echo to or cat from /dev/net/tun in that VM.. says File descriptor in bad state.. |
| 06:55.27 | nvz | they said they can't open a tun device |
| 06:55.41 | nvz | they didnt say how, or any of that |
| 06:55.56 | nvz | I can't open it either, using echo or cat :P |
| 06:56.47 | Katana_Steel | Docs says the program needs "CAP_NET_ADMIN" to use /dev/net/tun |
| 06:56.56 | bsdnoob | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.03 | bsdnoob | but I cannot ioctl |
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| 08:06.02 | KhakiIbex28 | Hello |
| 08:07.14 | kreyren | is there any tarball of debian? i need something that can run CI without lots of configuration |
| 08:07.21 | kreyren | is lazy to make said tarball |
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| 08:15.23 | xxvoixx | Hi |
| 08:15.42 | xxvoixx | What's your opinion about MXLinux? |
| 08:18.03 | kreyren | xxvoixx, i would say that their management or nvidia drivers is better then debian else compareble to debian stable |
| 08:18.09 | kreyren | *management of |
| 08:20.35 | rudi_s | kreyren: Use a docker container? |
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| 08:20.51 | rudi_s | (Not that I like docker, but for that purpose it's well suited.) |
| 08:21.09 | kreyren | rudi_s, tests are out of scope of docker afaik since it needs reboot and changes to the system -> trying QEMU |
| 08:21.32 | kreyren | my OS basically changes the whole userland and kernel if needed |
| 08:22.03 | rudi_s | Yeah |
| 08:22.21 | rudi_s | I'd use the Debian netinstall to setup a minimal system and then use that |
| 08:22.44 | kreyren | rudi_s, thanks for the tip |
| 08:22.58 | rudi_s | Sadly I don't know any pre-made tarball |
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| 08:24.53 | themill | would make one using vmdb2 |
| 08:25.31 | kreyren | themill, elaborate? |
| 08:26.39 | themill | You don't actually want a tarball of a random collection of packages, you want a bootable image, meaning you need a kernel and bootloader installed and configured. That's precisely what vmdb2 does |
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| 08:27.40 | kreyren | themill, ah i see seems sufficient, thanks! |
| 08:28.07 | themill | Of course if you're only going to do this once, then the netinst into qemu is fine. |
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| 08:29.53 | themill | obxkcd: xkcd.com/1205/ |
| 08:38.12 | kreyren | themill, nah it's expected to run on demand if the check if needed so multiple times a month |
| 08:38.26 | kreyren | *check is needed |
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| 08:48.27 | kreyren | themill, how does vmdb2 work? should i use netinstall for input? |
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| 08:55.05 | themill | no, the input is a debian mirror (via a proxy makes sense) and a config file that says what needs to be done from partitioning onwards |
| 08:57.18 | kreyren | themill, thanks i think i got it |
| 08:57.32 | kreyren | is bruteforcing input and it's doing things |
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| 09:24.46 | benjr | if i take the hard drive out of one computer, and put it in another, will the UUID i used in fstab remain the same? |
| 09:25.50 | jubo2 | benjr: afaik: no |
| 09:26.13 | jubo2 | benjr: I think you may set it manually to match. Disclaimer: not very proficient in these issues |
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| 09:28.00 | themill | benjr: the UUID is a property of the filesystem and is within the filesystem itself |
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| 09:36.37 | Deknos | is there an extension for apt to pin certain packages to be valid only for certain Keys and Origins? |
| 09:36.39 | f-a | I need to shop for a laptop for mum, is there a way to check for debian/main compatibility? |
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| 09:36.49 | Deknos | or can that already be done via apt pinning? |
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| 09:37.39 | jrabbit | f-a: there's a few vendors that adverise support (system76) and a few who it'd be well implied (anything dell says you can run ubuntu on) |
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| 09:38.39 | jhutchins_wk | Dell sells laptops with (ubuntu) linux pre-installed. |
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| 09:40.03 | f-a | jrabbit: thanks |
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| 10:05.49 | nevivurn | Hi. I'm noticing that my video player (mpv) is not able to do hardware accelerated video playback. I'm running on intel graphics, but using xserver-xorg-video-vesa instead of xserver-xorg-video-intel, could this cause the problem, or should I look elsewhere? |
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| 10:41.51 | hans_ | how long will debian 10 be supported? |
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| 10:43.31 | hans_ | wikipedia claims it will have normal security support until 2022 and LTS-support until 2024, does that sound about right? |
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| 10:45.17 | nevivurn | The LTS team tries to maintain support for at least 5 years for each release, and buster was released this year, so yeah. |
| 10:46.50 | hans_ | thanks. is it correct that the LTS team doesn't have access to (or doesn't use) the main debian repo, and the repos have to be changed to get the updates from the LTS team? |
| 10:47.40 | hans_ | or will the LTS updates go directly to the normal debian repos? |
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| 10:51.39 | nevivurn | You don't have to do anything in particular as long as your sources.list is sane. Check out https://wiki.debian.org/LTS and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using |
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| 10:55.48 | hans_ | oh ok, nice |
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| 11:13.05 | jhutchins_wk | nevivurn: A good guess is that you don't have the intel firmware installed. |
| 11:13.39 | nevivurn | How would I check? |
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| 11:15.48 | jhutchins_wk | dmesg | grep firmware |
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| 11:17.10 | nevivurn | https://paste.debian.net/1121146/ I see i915, so I *think* it's installed, is that right? |
| 11:18.43 | jhutchins_wk | nevivurn: It doesn't show a fail for intel firmware, I don't know why you're in VESA mode. |
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| 11:19.07 | jhutchins_wk | nevivurn: Check your Xorg logs, if you're running wayland switch to xorg. |
| 11:19.40 | nevivurn | Oh, I was unclear. I did not install xserver-xorg-video-intel, the package description for it says to avoid using it unless necessary. |
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| 11:20.33 | nevivurn | but I'm thinking that maybe it is required for hw acceleration, so I wanted confirmation whether this is indeed the case. |
| 11:20.39 | nevivurn | Oh welp. |
| 11:21.24 | diogenes_ | check GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT and lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A3 |
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| 11:23.13 | nevivurn | "Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 620", "Kernel driver in use: i915". Not sure where to check for GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT, I have not edited grub configuration, though. |
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| 11:23.49 | nevivurn | Ah, it's just "quiet" in /etc/default/grub |
| 11:24.17 | diogenes_ | nevivurn, if all is well then lspci must be showing: |
| 11:24.18 | diogenes_ | Kernel driver in use: i915 |
| 11:24.18 | diogenes_ | Kernel modules: i915 |
| 11:24.26 | nevivurn | Yup, that's what I see. |
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| 11:25.19 | diogenes_ | nevivurn, you said it only shows: Kernel driver in use: i915 |
| 11:26.02 | nevivurn | diogenes_: Ahh, sorry. The full output is https://paste.debian.net/1121148/ |
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| 11:26.59 | diogenes_ | nevivurn, pastebin the output of: xrandr |
| 11:27.36 | nevivurn | https://paste.debian.net/1121149/ |
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| 11:28.54 | diogenes_ | ok try to add this to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINE_LINUX_DEFAULT: video=SVIDEO-1:d |
| 11:29.09 | diogenes_ | so the end result should be: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash video=SVIDEO-1:d" |
| 11:29.24 | diogenes_ | in /etc/default/grub |
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| 11:29.37 | nevivurn | ooh, ok, will try. Can I ask where I can find documentation related to it? |
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| 11:30.39 | diogenes_ | it's a trick known to fix some issues on older intel cards, not guaranteed it's gonna fix the things for you, just as a try. |
| 11:30.45 | nyov | Wouldn't you rather check glxinfo, mesa & co? |
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| 11:31.55 | nevivurn | nyov: glxinfo: https://paste.debian.net/1121150/ |
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| 11:49.10 | nyov | nevivurn: ah ok. What do you actually mean by mpv hw-accel playback support? Have you tried to enable it with `mpv --hwdec=vaapi -v ...`? |
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| 11:51.48 | nevivurn | Wait, I might be an idiot. |
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| 11:54.12 | nevivurn | nyov: I see this output with --msg-level=vo=v --hwdec=vaapi https://paste.debian.net/1121152/ I see "Using hardware decoding (vaapi).", but also a bunch of failures. What is happening? |
| 11:55.34 | nevivurn | Last time I tried this, I saw it was falling back to sw decoding, but that doesn't seem to be happening (and cpu utilization is way down now). I guess it's fixed, so yay, not sure what fixed it. |
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| 11:57.34 | nyov | nevivurn: someone notes `mpv --hwdec=vaapi-copy` may work better on that chip? I don't have much info regarding intel. |
| 11:57.46 | nyov | "someone" being https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2359988&page=2&s=8301cf4a82b355c913216f0117d7e0f4#post_13641858 |
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| 11:59.23 | nevivurn | Hm, that works in removing the warnings, but then cpu usage is back up to levels when I had disabled hw acceperation. |
| 12:00.29 | nevivurn | The manpage says that they makes hwdec work in more circumstances, but it's "probably not more efficient than software decoding except for some codecs" |
| 12:00.41 | nyov | if it works, and all you see are some vaAcquireSurfaceHandle failures, I would just ignore those. unless those keep being spammed |
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| 12:01.09 | nevivurn | https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/issues/6411 seems like it's a minor issue that was patched upstream, so I guess I'll just work on silencing those messages, I guess. |
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| 12:01.25 | nevivurn | Thanks for the help, though! |
| 12:02.03 | nyov | but note lines 69-71. maybe there is some fix there somewhere |
| 12:04.30 | nevivurn | The vdpau stuff? I don't know enough about internals of these APIs, could you give me a few pointers so I know where to start looking? |
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| 12:09.55 | nyov | nevivurn: I'm just noting that the messages seem to say vdpau failed loading and vaapi failed to use a profile, falling back to some 'drmprime-drm' driver. Not sure of the significance, maybe that's expected, maybe not. |
| 12:10.55 | nevivurn | Makes sense, I'll investigate them later. For now, I'm going to celebrate small wins. |
| 12:10.56 | nyov | nevivurn: you can apt-get install vdpauinfo vainfo; but I can't help with the diagnostics output of vainfo or vdpauinfo |
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| 12:12.27 | Malivaso | hello again people |
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| 12:20.51 | Malivaso | i just successfully got rights on the username mrflimflam |
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| 12:24.32 | guest47 | is it necessary in general to open port 520 for the RIP protocol ? |
| 12:24.42 | guest47 | in a firewall |
| 12:25.10 | Malivaso | rip |
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| 12:26.54 | hacktime | guest47: Yes. 520/udp |
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| 12:28.31 | guest47 | hacktime: in only? |
| 12:28.45 | hacktime | guest47: That's the only port I'm aware of. |
| 12:29.24 | guest47 | what du you mean? |
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| 12:31.25 | hacktime | I misread, sorry. |
| 12:31.45 | hacktime | No, in and out. |
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| 12:46.11 | Kats99 | i created an encrypted swap but the swap was not activated when i rebooted |
| 12:46.11 | Kats99 | /etc/fstab = /dev/mapper/swapcrypt none swap sw 0 0 |
| 12:46.11 | Kats99 | /etc/crypttab = cryptswap /dev/sda3 /dev/urandom cipher=aes-xts-plain64,size=256,swap |
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| 12:48.55 | Kats99 | dammi..i got the names wrong sorry |
| 12:49.33 | JyZyXEL | doubt it wouldn't work if you get the names wrong |
| 12:49.45 | Kats99 | yeah.. |
| 12:51.02 | Kats99 | but in the cipher part, could i use aes256 instead of aes-xts-plain64 |
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| 12:53.05 | JyZyXEL | but that's what you are using already? |
| 12:53.36 | Kats99 | but it says plain64. isnt that different |
| 12:53.55 | hacktime | Nope. |
| 12:54.07 | Kats99 | oh ok. |
| 12:54.43 | JyZyXEL | it means the initialization vector that's being used |
| 12:54.58 | hacktime | It's using a 512-bit key - the first half is used for initialization, and the second half is the AES key itself. |
| 12:55.36 | Kats99 | i see.. |
| 12:56.11 | JyZyXEL | hacktime: but wouldn't that be 128 bits with size=256? |
| 12:56.22 | hacktime | Well, the first half is used by XTS itself. It doesn't need any special/randomized/unique IVs. |
| 12:56.48 | hacktime | JyZyXEL: Nope. AES-XTS as used by dm-crypt is AES-256, which means double that (512) for XTS. |
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| 12:57.35 | hacktime | JyZyXEL: Oh, wait, I misread that. |
| 12:57.39 | hacktime | Doing that a lot this morning. |
| 12:58.01 | hacktime | If you specify size=256, then yes, you get AES-128. |
| 12:58.16 | JyZyXEL | so yeah, bump it up to size=512 |
| 12:58.19 | hacktime | dm-crypt defaults to 512. |
| 12:58.24 | hacktime | At least, for AES-XTS. |
| 12:58.43 | Kats99 | so if i specify size=512 then i get aes256? |
| 12:58.45 | hacktime | That said, the real-world security improvement between AES-128 and AES-256 is basically nil. |
| 12:58.56 | hacktime | The performance impact, though, is about 40%. |
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| 13:01.56 | JyZyXEL | near term vs long-term protection |
| 13:02.26 | hacktime | Cracking an AES-128 key would require enough energy to boil the world's oceans, so that seems long-term enough for me. |
| 13:02.44 | hacktime | Anything that can crack AES-128 would work for AES-256, too. |
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| 13:09.20 | JyZyXEL | and 10 years from now it might only require the energy to boil a olympic size swimming pool? ;) |
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| 13:10.47 | OS-28151 | test |
| 13:10.53 | jelly | unlikely |
| 13:11.03 | OS-28151 | any one help? |
| 13:11.31 | jelly | OS-28151: you probably want to type: /join #offsec |
| 13:11.45 | OS-28151 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.54 | jelly | and how do it without that first space |
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| 13:12.00 | jelly | now* |
| 13:12.03 | JyZyXEL | im sure a lot of crypto was unlikely to have weaknesses until they were discovered :P |
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| 13:13.23 | hacktime | JyZyXEL: Exactly. Like I said, though, if you manage to break AES, key size doesn't matter. |
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| 13:13.55 | OS-28151 | nope I cant indetify |
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| 13:22.09 | JyZyXEL | hacktime: i wouldn't expect anyone to just "break AES", but i wouldn't be surprised if someone figured a way to weaken it |
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| 13:27.12 | jelly | JyZyXEL: it's already been weakened a bit, that's the reason why people say aes-256 is basically the same strength as aes-128 |
| 13:29.05 | hacktime | JyZyXEL: Advances in cryptanalysis are very rarely specific to key size. |
| 13:29.12 | JyZyXEL | jelly: but for example when 1024 bit RSA keys started to be considered not safe anymore, we just went on to use 2048 / 4096 bit ones |
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| 13:29.39 | hacktime | And there's the "very rarely" one. :P |
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| 13:30.15 | hacktime | Or, one of the ones. |
| 13:31.05 | hacktime | I'd go into the math of why, but that'd be offtopic as hell. |
| 13:31.17 | hacktime | (which I already am) |
| 13:31.49 | jelly | there's always #debian-offtopic for chats that veer off |
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| 13:50.31 | JyZyXEL | i guess this is where the keysize doubling idea stems from "Grover's algorithm could brute-force a 128-bit symmetric cryptographic key in roughly 2^64 iterations, or a 256-bit key in roughly 2^128 iterations. As a result, it is sometimes suggested that symmetric key lengths be doubled to protect against future quantum attacks." |
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| 13:52.58 | JyZyXEL | Bernsteins thoughts from 2010, but then again around the same time bruce schneier was recommending AES128 over AES256 in his blog |
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| 14:16.39 | hacktime | Yeah. S-box stuff. |
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| 14:49.42 | qqz | I have just released xchroot v2.4 with pulseaudio support: https://www.elstel.org/xchroot/ |
| 14:50.26 | qqz | The new version is far better; it also has desktop file support for file associations and GUI start menu linking of chroot applications |
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| 14:50.55 | qqz | It is a pity that we do not have a debian package; I did not find a sponsor for the last version |
| 14:51.37 | qqz | Besides this there is also a good description on how to make audio work with Linux: on kernel module level as well as on pulseaudio level |
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| 14:53.26 | MarioMey | Hi, there. |
| 14:53.42 | MarioMey | Can I install libopenjpeg-dev in Buster? It isn't in repository... |
| 14:53.50 | MarioMey | I need to compile an old version of Blender. |
| 14:54.46 | qqz | The library does not seem to be available |
| 14:54.57 | qqz | why not bootstrap a chroot environment? |
| 14:55.12 | MarioMey | What is that? |
| 14:55.16 | qqz | https://www.elstel.org/xchroot/#createchroot |
| 14:55.16 | jelly | MarioMey: is libopenjp2-7-dev too new? |
| 14:55.43 | qqz | you may want to read the web page from the beginning though to know all about chroot |
| 14:56.14 | MarioMey | qqz: Ok. |
| 14:56.23 | qqz | https://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 14:57.15 | MarioMey | jelly: Blender install_deps try to install it. By not using that script, when compiling Blender says this (that I think it is because of that): |
| 14:57.22 | MarioMey | /home/mario/src/blender-git/blender/source/blender/imbuf/intern/jpeg.c:51:10: fatal error: jpeglib.h: No existe el fichero o el directorio |
| 14:57.22 | MarioMey | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.22 | MarioMey | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:58.53 | qqz | do you need to change the sources? |
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| 14:59.26 | qqz | otherwise simply install an elder version of blender in the chroot; you would not even need to compile on your own |
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| 15:56.02 | EdePopede | tried to fsck in a loop, output started with "/dev/sdb1 is mounted." followed by "ext2fs_open2: Bad magic number in super-block". this my be the extended partition, but then i'm wondering what happened to 2 and 3. the other ones starting with 5 appear later. |
| 15:56.02 | EdePopede | and then while i'm trying to run the command manually it says "/dev/sdb1 is mounted." followed by "e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting." - so the 2nd part also didn't appear in the loop. |
| 15:56.57 | EdePopede | the only option i used was -T because i'm really not interested what version it is from what toolset. useless spam this is. but with or without, in the manual run it ALWAYS shows that extra text. |
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| 15:59.08 | EdePopede | hm, this seems to go to STDERR |
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| 16:02.13 | MarioMey | qqz: yes, I use 2 or 3 patches in a particular version of Blender. |
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| 16:24.58 | EdePopede | is there *any* command to show me sorted info on my partitions and filesystems? findmnt seems to be the only one caring about LABELs, but doesn't have df's -x option. and unlike what the manpage suggests it does show pseudo filesystems, or has its own interpretation of the name |
| 16:25.41 | qqz | fdisk -l /dev/sdx |
| 16:25.51 | qqz | though I usually use parted for that |
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| 16:26.19 | qqz | you need to enter: unit gb; print; quit though |
| 16:26.58 | EdePopede | df -hT with a correct list for -x is pretty good, only i'm missing the label there. |
| 16:27.23 | EdePopede | was trying to find out what partition fsck mentioned before by referring to its label |
| 16:29.16 | qqz | ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/ |
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| 16:33.22 | EdePopede | by-label, but yes. i'd still have to assign its output to `df -hT -x tmpfs -x devtmpfs` which is the best option combo i've found so far |
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| 16:34.40 | EdePopede | i only have some labels on my system disk, it's pretty old, didn't reformat it for years... but if i'd also use labels for the data disks, uh... there is an internal one and one i have attached externally atm. |
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| 16:40.56 | subcool | Ok.. idk wth is going on. |
| 16:41.26 | subcool | I am trying to install Teamviewer- ofcourse everyone guides JUST work. But- yeah. Appearently the new teamviewer requires QT5 - wtf? AND HOW THE HELL DO U INSTALL IT |
| 16:42.03 | subcool | Everytime i try ot get somewhere, there are dependencies that are unmet. -the only workable method appears to be building it from source, or not using a .dep - |
| 16:42.49 | jim | came, ranted, gone... |
| 16:43.21 | jim | I wonder if his system is damaged though |
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| 16:44.23 | jim | subcool, had you installed from sources other than debian archives? |
| 16:44.36 | EdePopede | ,v teamviewer |
| 16:44.37 | judd | No package named 'teamviewer' was found in amd64. |
| 16:44.46 | EdePopede | he's gone, jim |
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| 16:44.53 | jim | yep |
| 16:45.13 | jim | he wasn't when I was typing :P |
| 16:45.20 | EdePopede | back |
| 16:45.23 | subcool | me? |
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| 16:45.27 | EdePopede | you |
| 16:45.28 | jim | subcool, had you installed from sources other than debian archives? |
| 16:45.52 | subcool | im just trying to apt install. |
| 16:46.03 | subcool | so- i assume. sources. |
| 16:46.03 | joepublic | I think what EdePopede is saying is that there is not much chance of apt-get install teamviewer, since it does not seem to exist. |
| 16:46.10 | jim | maybe this teamviewer, you can get the source package |
| 16:46.15 | subcool | oh- no |
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| 16:46.24 | subcool | I downloaded the pkg from their site. |
| 16:46.35 | jim | url? |
| 16:46.35 | subcool | dpkg -i teampackage |
| 16:46.36 | dpkg | installs teampackage into subcool's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 16:46.48 | subcool | lol |
| 16:46.57 | EdePopede | if they provide a proper .deb it may be still possible to install the needed deps if the versions fit |
| 16:47.00 | joepublic | a .deb is packaged for a specific os and version. I dunno about teamviewer, but the deb you downloaded was for yoru version of debian, right? |
| 16:47.11 | jim | your head is looking a little different... |
| 16:47.40 | joepublic | if so, apt install ./nameof.deb -- if not, stop now and find the .deb for your os and version... |
| 16:47.43 | subcool | wget https://download.teamviewer.com/download/linux/teamviewer_amd64.deb |
| 16:48.55 | joepublic | oh gee it says "ubuntu,debian" no versions mentioned. not a good sign |
| 16:49.21 | subcool | this method compalins about qml |
| 16:49.30 | EdePopede | sometimes the extras from the .deb aren't even needed. firefox works fine from upstream as a .tgz, maybe it just needs some basic settings and a wrapper script. |
| 16:49.31 | joepublic | ah, the "how to install" specifically says it's for debian 9 |
| 16:49.44 | subcool | i have 9 |
| 16:50.02 | subcool | it was my way to avoid 10's issues. - failed. |
| 16:50.26 | joepublic | well, at least you tried. I run 9 on all my internet-facing servers (reasons escape me) |
| 16:50.30 | subcool | im tring to run x11vnc - but- i cant find my xauth |
| 16:50.44 | joepublic | well, and one old server still running jessie |
| 16:50.54 | subcool | but i tihnk its because i didnt use gdm. i think im using ssdm |
| 16:51.07 | nvz | recommends x2go, if you can ssh, you can x2go |
| 16:51.36 | subcool | i am ssh'd now. im trying to keep it as routamentary as a i can. But, my computers like to play games. |
| 16:52.16 | nvz | ,i x2goserver |
| 16:52.17 | judd | Package x2goserver (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: X2Go Server. Version: 4.1.0.3-4; Size: 113.9k; Installed: 455k; Homepage: http://wiki.x2go.org |
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| 16:52.30 | joepublic | this never-do-this might help with vnc: https://freworld.info/2018/12/02/connecting-to-your-single-board-computer-with-vnc/ |
| 16:52.36 | EdePopede | not for stretch? |
| 16:52.44 | subcool | im trying to get away from teamviewer in general. - but-- x11vnc is a snot sometimes. my vpn likes to play games. i just spent half my morning trying ot figure out why my openvpn didnt connect, to now get severly slow internet. |
| 16:53.06 | subcool | nvz im gonna give it a go. thanks |
| 16:53.24 | nvz | subcool: I use it to help my father out.. works well.. uses ssh ports/credentials |
| 16:53.38 | subcool | debian package? android? |
| 16:54.13 | subcool | fhdaslkfj;kladsjf;kldasjf;kljasdgh;jadsf;" |
| 16:54.19 | subcool | same freaking issue - qt5 and qml |
| 16:54.22 | joepublic | hi subcool's cat. |
| 16:54.44 | subcool | reaplce every one of those letters with a curse each. |
| 16:55.01 | nvz | you probably installed something that configured unofficial mirrors |
| 16:55.10 | subcool | qt5-default requires depend. |
| 16:55.14 | nvz | apt policy | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 16:55.30 | jim | subcool, wait... what do you need with teamviewer (or something like it)? |
| 16:55.30 | subcool | i have teamviewer and spotify? |
| 16:55.40 | subcool | remote gui access |
| 16:55.51 | subcool | im not too cli savey |
| 16:56.11 | jim | remote like how far, and for what purposes? |
| 16:56.16 | subcool | although 20 ears of waiti for gui to improve,, im learning |
| 16:56.25 | livebrain | teamviewer is heave on resources |
| 16:56.30 | livebrain | vs x11vnc |
| 16:56.31 | subcool | im across the stae right now |
| 16:56.45 | subcool | livebrain yeah,, i know.. its a last resort |
| 16:56.51 | jim | so pretty far |
| 16:56.53 | nvz | xpra is the lightest thing I've used.. but its not as simple to use as x2go |
| 16:57.14 | subcool | why cant i get qt5 or qml to work? |
| 16:57.30 | subcool | isnt the point of apt - to do the dependcies work? |
| 16:58.15 | joepublic | apt depends on your sources and .deb's already playing nice with each other. |
| 16:58.36 | joepublic | it possible--frighteningly easy--to ask it for something impossible, and it will try. |
| 16:58.45 | subcool | yea, teamviewer, nordvpn and spotify sources. |
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| 16:59.07 | nvz | ,v libqt5gui5 |
| 16:59.08 | judd | Package: libqt5gui5 on amd64 -- jessie: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u2; jessie-security: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u3; stretch: 5.7.1+dfsg-3+deb9u1; stretch-security: 5.7.1+dfsg-3+deb9u1; buster: 5.11.3+dfsg1-1+deb10u1; buster-security: 5.11.3+dfsg1-1+deb10u1; buster-proposed-updates: 5.11.3+dfsg1-1+deb10u2; bullseye: 5.12.5+dfsg-2; sid: 5.12.5+dfsg-2 |
| 16:59.12 | subcool | obviously i should remove teamviewer. |
| 16:59.36 | nvz | wouldn't make a difference |
| 16:59.49 | nvz | unless its partially installed and whats causing the error |
| 16:59.58 | joepublic | it would cleanse your system and, to some extent, your soul |
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| 17:00.01 | nvz | if the problem is sources, you need to fix the sources |
| 17:00.14 | joepublic | I have had good luck with that vnc tutorial |
| 17:00.17 | nvz | either way we need more info |
| 17:00.19 | nvz | !bat |
| 17:00.20 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 17:05.04 | jim | subcool, probably so |
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| 17:16.01 | skibi | Hi, is this working? |
| 17:16.13 | dvs | nope |
| 17:16.25 | skibi | I last used IRC from 15 years ago |
| 17:16.30 | skibi | :) |
| 17:16.51 | skibi | Nice to know that I can get help with Debian somewhere ... I just started learning it :) |
| 17:17.00 | annadane | it worked in oftc, pretty sure it works here too :P |
| 17:17.50 | skibi | Is there any Acronis True Image replacement for Debian? So that I could restore the system to the saved state ... when I am learning, I will certainly spoil something many times. |
| 17:18.18 | dvs | skibi, clonezilla is the closest it has |
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| 17:19.17 | EdePopede | skibi: are you afraid you'll nuke your system or do you want to play with it? |
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| 17:20.35 | skibi | A czy jest możliwe, by dziaÅaÅo to jak w Windows czyli bezpoÅrednio w systemie i kiedy potrzebujÄ, to wybieram odpowiedni stan systemu, czekam parÄ minut i mam dziaÅajÄ
cy system? |
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| 17:22.17 | skibi | sorry, this is English version :) Is it possible that it works like in Windows, that is directly in the system and when I need it, I choose the appropriate system state, wait a few minutes and have a working system? |
| 17:23.18 | skibi | EdePopede I want to play with it in a controlled way |
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| 17:24.41 | rozie | skibi: there are some filesystem which support snapshots. maybe this is what you want |
| 17:25.25 | skibi | rozie some more information? |
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| 17:28.08 | joepublic | skibi: perhaps something like, https://www.linux.com/tutorials/how-create-and-manage-btrfs-snapshots-and-rollbacks-linux-part-2/ |
| 17:28.19 | rozie | skibi: https://www.thegeekstuff.com/2014/03/snapper-command/, zfs, lvm |
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| 17:29.10 | rozie | in general, you can also make copy of the files, preserving permissions and you should be able to restore system from such a copy |
| 17:29.14 | rozie | it's not Windows |
| 17:29.17 | EdePopede | skibi: you may also use a vm or a live system or do it the easy way and install a 2nd instance on a small partition just for that purpose. dd it, boot it, break it, reboot dd it back. |
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| 17:30.12 | EdePopede | a debian installation can be really small, so a couple of GB for a redshirt system should be enough. |
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| 17:32.26 | Wipadee | esp if one removes all these localizations? |
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| 17:35.16 | serverman | consider snapshots in a type 2 hypervisor (virtualbox or workstation pro) |
| 17:35.31 | serverman | skibi |
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| 17:37.08 | subcool | Ok. holy sh |
| 17:37.26 | subcool | so- i took out that teamviewer repo- did an update, it requested --fix-broken. Now everything is in stalling. |
| 17:37.35 | subcool | i spent this last amount of time trying ot get logged back in here. |
| 17:37.40 | subcool | Thanks for the helps guys. |
| 17:37.56 | subcool | but- im going to go before i toss my tablet across the room. |
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| 17:38.31 | subcool | exit |
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| 17:42.40 | EdePopede | Wipadee: i kept the cache in wheezy for about the whole time i used it. office, java, firefox. |
| 17:43.43 | Wipadee | EdePopede, seems to be about 100 language packs for firefox, I started to remove them, then I thought that might help fingerprint my browser |
| 17:43.56 | Wipadee | not using the default list of fonts or something? |
| 17:44.56 | EdePopede | Wipadee: https://panopticlick.eff.org/ may be of help |
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| 17:45.22 | Wipadee | ya used it in the past but |
| 17:45.40 | Wipadee | ...does what I'm saying make sense? |
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| 17:46.35 | EdePopede | years ago i used facemash with an extra user profile with different settings. could have also used xephyr or something, so that there's not much more than some hardware common to both accounts. |
| 17:46.43 | Wipadee | for example Japanese TrueType font from Vine Linux |
| 17:46.47 | Wipadee | is installed now |
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| 17:47.28 | EdePopede | if you want to avoid this kind of tracking, then try to stay on defaults. nothing exotic. and i think they even can read your addon list. |
| 17:47.59 | EdePopede | windows 10 home + chromium may be your best chance ;) |
| 17:48.05 | Wipadee | yes, I know there are multiple risks, I use TBB a bit etc |
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| 17:58.25 | qqz | now I have packaged xchroot-v2.4: https://mentors.debian.net/package/xchroot |
| 17:58.57 | qqz | Should I issue some email to find a mentor when this is just an update in the version number? |
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| 18:08.17 | burrows | is it possible to have tty7 dedicated to the login screen, and whenever I enter my username and password it automatically switches to another tty? |
| 18:08.40 | burrows | (lightdm) |
| 18:08.41 | qqz | chvt can be used to switch the tty |
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| 18:08.57 | qqz | use a script for that |
| 18:09.26 | armin | i wonder why burrows wants to do that though |
| 18:09.55 | qqz | I wonder so too |
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| 18:11.36 | burrows | i have two user accounts (personal and business) and would like kodi running on its own tty. when I've finished watching something both personal and business accounts says, "session is locked" and I can't log into either |
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| 18:12.26 | burrows | (that's why I want tty 7 dedicated to the login screen) |
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| 18:15.59 | qqz | you need to start an own X server on another tty |
| 18:16.18 | qqz | you can switch between both ttys with [Ctrl][Alt][FXX] |
| 18:16.37 | qqz | then you can be logged in both accounts at the same time |
| 18:16.51 | qqz | I don´t know however how well Debian supports that |
| 18:17.07 | burrows | right, I already know how to switch ttys and login to my de. I want to do it in a more gui friendly manner |
| 18:17.30 | burrows | I chose this channel because the lightdm channel is dead, sorry |
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| 18:18.34 | qqz | you can use xinit to start a second X server: xinit client -- server |
| 18:19.05 | burrows | that starts the X server by seat, not by user |
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| 18:21.38 | burrows | if I could execute a command before a user logs in and choose the tty the new user uses, I'll figure out the rest |
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| 18:25.40 | EdePopede | i guess it would be xserverrc iirc from the old days |
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| 18:45.57 | skibi | Thanks for this informations. So, I have a lot of to read :) |
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| 19:06.38 | qqz | is the user who wanted two login screens still here? |
| 19:06.48 | qqz | xinit /bin/sudo -H -E -u bel xterm -display :1 -- :1 vt08 -nolisten tcp & |
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| 19:07.24 | annadane | burrows, ^ |
| 19:07.28 | qqz | or: /bin/sudo --preserve-env=DISPLAY,XAUTHORITY -u bel /bin/startkde -dsiplay :0 |
| 19:07.29 | qqz | yes |
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| 19:17.33 | graphicsv | plasma-nm keeps loading at `waiting for a secondary connection` and disconnecting. How to fix it? |
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| 19:28.28 | qqz | burrows: have you seen my suggestion? |
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| 20:12.36 | burrows | qqz, looking now |
| 20:12.38 | tuxmax | hi |
| 20:13.15 | tuxmax | i try cast on chrome cast with vlc but i get no sound |
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| 20:22.57 | burrows | qqz, this kind of works but it combines both displays onto the same tty "/bin/sudo --preserve-env=DISPLAY,XAUTHORITY -u foo /bin/startxfce4 -dsiplay :1" |
| 20:23.15 | burrows | kind of cool, but not quite right lol |
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| 20:29.00 | qqz | burrows: don´t know what you mean by combine on same tty: that is not possible |
| 20:29.15 | qqz | you switch the tty with [ctrl][alt][FXX] |
| 20:29.22 | qqz | or with chvt XX |
| 20:29.55 | burrows | if I run "/bin/sudo --preserve-env=DISPLAY,XAUTHORITY -u foo /bin/startxfce4 -dsiplay :1" on tty 7, the displays combine |
| 20:30.05 | burrows | I couldn't get "xinit /bin/sudo -H -E -u bel xterm -display :1 -- :1 vt08 -nolisten tcp &" to work on tty 1 |
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| 20:31.37 | qqz | you need xinit (run it as root); otherwise no second X server will start and all clients connect to the same X server |
| 20:32.09 | qqz | before the -- are the clients and afterwards the server (Xorg/X11/X) |
| 20:32.26 | qqz | why does it not work |
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| 20:32.34 | qqz | what error message do you get? |
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| 20:34.12 | burrows | I was running the command as a normal (admin) user, it works when I run it as root |
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| 20:35.12 | burrows | thanks, I can now make a script and keyboard shortcut to suit my lazy needs |
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| 20:41.47 | qqz | basically you should rather use --preserver-env=DISPLAY,XAUTHORITY than -E because passing some variables from root to user is considered insecure |
| 20:42.00 | qqz | have fun, anyway; I wish you |
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| 20:45.59 | qqz | if you have some spare time you can have a look at my webpage https://www.elstel.org |
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| 20:53.41 | hans__ | what's the command for opening the GUI filemanager in a directory in a desktop-neutral fashion? (eg in XFCE4 one could use "thunar /dir", in gnomme one could use "nautilus /dir", but there was a neurtal command.. xdg-open /dir or something like that) |
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| 20:54.31 | hans__ | ... nvm, it IS xdg-open /dir |
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| 21:05.01 | teus | i formatted my laptop so i could install windows 10, so i had to convert the harddisk to GPT partitioning |
| 21:05.03 | teus | my debian installation was cloned with clonezilla. i copied it back, but im wondering how to deal with the bootloader i have to get back |
| 21:05.07 | teus | im chrooted and all ready, but i don't see an EFI/ESP partition in fdisk |
| 21:05.32 | teus | i'm way confused. win10 installed just fine but didnt bother setting up the partition? |
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| 21:07.19 | teus | oh great, im still on legacy |
| 21:07.26 | teus | overlooked that one option |
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| 21:12.08 | no_gravity | Hello! Debian only allows me to set my resolution to 2048x1080. But my monitor supports 2560x1440. How do I fix that? |
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| 21:15.13 | joepublic | what video card, what driver? |
| 21:15.35 | joepublic | anything between the card and the monitor (adapter, KVM) that might be eating the EDID? |
| 21:16.15 | no_gravity | joepublic: How do I check all that? |
| 21:17.05 | joepublic | well, you could install inxi and then type inxi -G for "what video card, driver" |
| 21:17.19 | joepublic | as for how it's plugged in, trace the cable. |
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| 21:18.00 | no_gravity | Well, there is a cable :) |
| 21:18.11 | no_gravity | The side that goes into the monitor is HDMI I think. |
| 21:18.18 | no_gravity | The side that goes into the laptop is smaller. |
| 21:18.50 | no_gravity | Inxi tells me: |
| 21:18.51 | joepublic | so it could be mini-hdmi or mini-displayport, for example. you can type 'xrandr|grep connected' to see which one. |
| 21:18.53 | no_gravity | Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 5500 driver: i915 v: kernel |
| 21:19.20 | no_gravity | xrandr says: |
| 21:19.23 | no_gravity | eDP-1 connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) |
| 21:19.26 | no_gravity | DP-1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) |
| 21:19.29 | no_gravity | HDMI-1 connected primary 2048x1080+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 597mm x 336mm |
| 21:19.41 | joepublic | if you want to see all the modes it thinks your monitor will do, you can xrandr|less for the list |
| 21:20.04 | joepublic | so you have two monitors. |
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| 21:20.27 | no_gravity | Well, I guess one of the monitors is the internal one of the laptop? |
| 21:21.03 | joepublic | i would guess the same. that hdmi-1 is probably your monitor you want to do a better resolution, given that it's 2048x1080 right now. |
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| 21:21.19 | no_gravity | In the output of xrand, no resolution is bigger then 2048x1080. |
| 21:21.29 | joepublic | in the modes listed under that HDMI-1 in xrandr|less, your desired mode is not listed? |
| 21:21.42 | no_gravity | Nope, highest is 2048x1080. |
| 21:21.43 | ciciolina | Hi!!! i have a question, i used debian 9 and have a long battery duration (5 to 7 hours), but after install from zero debian 10 i have 2 hours to almost 3 hours. i install TLP activated in battery mode, but i cant have a debian10 with good battery duration, what can i do??? |
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| 21:22.18 | joepublic | no_gravity, you can use a combination of the cvt command and xrandr commands to make it available. |
| 21:22.33 | no_gravity | joepublic: How so? |
| 21:23.08 | joepublic | This page (ignore where it says ubuntu) details the process: https://askubuntu.com/questions/377937/how-to-set-a-custom-resolution |
| 21:23.30 | ciciolina | i disable the nvidia drivers and use only intel driver and have a basic installation, only vpn |
| 21:25.08 | ciciolina | the only new thing is i put a new HDF screen and install debian10, the HDF screen have more battery consumption? sorry for the noob question ;D |
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| 21:25.36 | teus | great, dell created my windows usb bootable in legacy only, i believe |
| 21:25.44 | teus | can't do uefi |
| 21:25.47 | hans__ | > Your Linux kernel was compiled with IOMMU support, including DMA remapping. See the CONFIG_DMAR kernel compilation option. The PCI stub driver (CONFIG_PCI_STUB) is required as well. |
| 21:26.11 | hans__ | is the debian 10 stock kernel for amd64 compiled with IOMMU support? |
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| 21:26.23 | no_gravity | joepublic: After doing that, "xrandr -s 2560x1440" still gives me "Size 2560x1440 not found in available modes" |
| 21:26.36 | joepublic | what does xrandr|less tell you? |
| 21:27.25 | joepublic | also, you probably mean xrandr --output HDMI-1 -s 2560x1440 |
| 21:28.21 | hans__ | after running `cat /boot/config-$(uname -r) | grep -i iomm`, i'm guessing the answer is *yes* |
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| 21:28.40 | jhutchins | hans__: That would be the definitive answer. |
| 21:28.49 | joepublic | or the exact name of the mode, i.e. xrandr --output HDMI-1 --mode 2560x1440_60.00 |
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| 21:28.56 | no_gravity | joepublic: I think I managed to add that resolution now. But switching to it makes the screen go dark. |
| 21:29.12 | joepublic | so perhaps it doesn't support that mode at that frequency. |
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| 21:29.23 | joepublic | (if at all?) |
| 21:29.51 | no_gravity | Well, maybe my laptop does not support it. |
| 21:30.02 | jhutchins | joepublic: My guess would be that the video chipset doesn't support anything higher. |
| 21:30.04 | joepublic | you could try 59 or 30 for the frequency also |
| 21:30.29 | no_gravity | joepublic: How? |
| 21:30.29 | jhutchins | ER, no_gravity ^ |
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| 21:30.45 | joepublic | also very possible. |
| 21:31.19 | joepublic | no_gravity, by doing the same thing but telling cvt 2560 1440 59 or 2560 1440 30 instead of 2560 1440 60 |
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| 21:32.43 | no_gravity | joepublic: Same result. |
| 21:32.45 | no_gravity | Black screen |
| 21:32.54 | no_gravity | And the terminal says: Failed to change the screen configuration! |
| 21:33.12 | joepublic | okay. then something (the laptop, the monitor) doesn't support that resolution it seems |
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| 21:34.01 | no_gravity | joepublic: Maybe the cable? |
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| 21:35.14 | joepublic | I would doubt it's the cable, but no harm in trying a different one. |
| 21:35.17 | jhutchins | teus: Get it working? |
| 21:35.45 | no_gravity | joepublic: Well, I don't have a different one :) |
| 21:37.05 | joepublic | You could redefine 2048x1080 as suitable? (not ideal, but suitable) |
| 21:38.14 | no_gravity | joepublic: Then I'd rather go back to my old monitor at 1920x1024. I don't like upscaled pixels. They look blurry. |
| 21:39.30 | no_gravity | Strange that inxi reports the card as "Intel HD Graphics 5500" which according to google has a max resolution of 3840 x 2160 @ 60 Hz. |
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| 21:43.30 | no_gravity | The monitor also has an USB cable .. should I try to connect it via that one? |
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| 21:54.00 | joepublic | connecting the monitor by usb cable is not really a thing in this context. |
| 21:54.43 | joepublic | also, it's not likely that your pixels are being upscaled unless you told your xrandr things like --scale-from and --panning |
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| 21:58.37 | no_gravity | I would say the monitor is scaling them up |
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| 21:58.47 | no_gravity | As the native resolution is 2560x1440. |
| 21:59.04 | no_gravity | I get the feeling that my minidisplayport-hdmi cable is the problem. |
| 21:59.23 | no_gravity | From what I read online, these cables do not have very hight resolutions. |
| 21:59.52 | no_gravity | I wonder how debian knows that. |
| 22:01.02 | hacktime | Active adapters can do 4K. Passive ones get to about 1920x1200 or something. |
| 22:01.37 | no_gravity | hacktime: How do I know if mine is active of passive? |
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| 22:38.55 | joepublic | I was under the impression that it was connected by hdmi, not through a displayport adapter |
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| 22:49.32 | riverr | Does the password matter if I have only key authentication enabled on the VPS? |
| 22:50.37 | nkuttler | yes |
| 22:51.11 | riverr | nkuttler, why? |
| 22:52.09 | nkuttler | riverr: security comes in layers. any weakness weakens the entire system |
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| 22:53.23 | riverr | I dont know, I am actually curious how it weakens the security if its only accessible with key auth |
| 22:54.05 | nkuttler | riverr: that is an extermely strong assumption |
| 22:54.30 | riverr | nkuttler, just give me some examples lol I am actually curious |
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| 22:54.51 | hacktime | riverr: Reverse shells exist. Then someone would have a shell as your user. The only thing keeping them from elevating to root is a password. |
| 22:54.56 | nkuttler | other services could use auth. unprivileged user could get access to more privileged user |
| 22:55.07 | riverr | hacktime, oh yeah good point |
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| 22:55.25 | riverr | hmm |
| 22:55.39 | annadane | r...reverse shells? |
| 22:55.48 | hacktime | riverr: It doesn't matter what your ssh authentication config is. Always have a strong password. |
| 22:56.05 | riverr | Okay it makes little more sense now |
| 22:56.09 | nkuttler | just remember that security comes in layers |
| 22:56.10 | riverr | hacktime, do u hacc |
| 22:56.12 | hacktime | annadane: Yes. A process on a system that initiates a connection outbound to a listener, giving the listener a functioning shell on the origin host. |
| 22:56.22 | hacktime | riverr: It's my job, so yes. |
| 22:56.31 | riverr | hacktime, really? What kind of hacking |
| 22:56.44 | riverr | Like binary exploitation or web application stuff |
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| 22:57.15 | hacktime | These days, corporate pen testing. So, whatever it takes, really, within the agreed scope of the engagement. |
| 22:57.22 | hacktime | Anyway, I'd like to not veer off topic too much. |
| 22:57.22 | nkuttler | i've escalated privileges on a system this week, and exploited an sql injection in a web service |
| 22:57.25 | Malivaso | oof |
| 22:57.41 | nkuttler | ctf events though |
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| 22:58.24 | riverr | hacktime, oh okay. Does pentesters get paid by hours or what they find? |
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| 23:03.59 | serverman | do you just get given an scope with IP range hacktime |
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| 23:05.17 | serverman | do you have to worry about the many firewallsloadbalancersIPSIDSSOC inbetween |
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| 23:10.28 | hacktime | It's more than just that. Pretty in-depth topic, like I said, off-topic. |
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| 23:12.54 | serverman | ok |
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