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| 00:24.43 | bully | hello |
| 00:25.10 | bully | its been about 10 years since i used linux so im having a few rather stupid questions probably |
| 00:25.34 | bully | is gnome outdated? whats the preferable desktop ? |
| 00:25.55 | bully | i couldnt resolve gnome.org |
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| 00:26.13 | oerheks | gnome2 is outdated, .. but we have gnome3 now |
| 00:27.00 | bully | ok |
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| 00:28.03 | bully | how can i print the output of dmesg constantly to terminal window? so i can see the output when i plug in for example a usb device to see errors |
| 00:29.01 | nvz | bully: less -S +F /proc/kmsg |
| 00:29.06 | bully | and another question, debian keeps logging out my desktop when i switch to terminal by ctrl + alt + f6, i tried removing .x-Authority file but no luck |
| 00:29.17 | bully | Thanks |
| 00:30.44 | nvz | bully: dmesg -w |
| 00:31.27 | nvz | I guess with /proc/kmsg you need only use cat |
| 00:32.30 | nvz | cause it has no EOF anyhow |
| 00:32.38 | nvz | its reading the buffer directly |
| 00:32.54 | nvz | but the less -S +F thing works well for normal logs |
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| 00:34.33 | nvz | bully: the file is called ~/.Xauthority not .x-Authority, and it has nothing to do with your login at all |
| 00:35.15 | nvz | its a file storing session authentication info for making sure clients are authorized to use the server |
| 00:35.44 | nvz | if your DE is logging out, thats probably a setting in your DE |
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| 00:35.57 | nvz | I know most of them have autolock and crap enabled by default |
| 00:38.32 | bully | another issue i have, i have a linksys wifi adapter and built in wifi, and the connection is awful even though the router is next to the setup and it barely connects |
| 00:44.12 | bully | nvz, ok i saw some post on google where they suggested that was the issue due to login in to x as root |
| 00:45.03 | nvz | yes, well you shouldn't login to X as root, thats just stupid |
| 00:45.55 | nvz | you may as well just toss your computer in the microwave.. at least then you'll know when its done |
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| 00:49.34 | bully | it was by mistake, i hit f10 or whatever it is and got logged in |
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| 00:51.26 | nvz | @.@ |
| 00:51.44 | nvz | gnome3 is outdated.. gnome2 was just renamed to MATE |
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| 00:52.42 | whislock | MATE was a gnome2 fork, not just renamed. |
| 00:53.26 | nvz | a fork is being renamed :P |
| 00:54.10 | whislock | That might be one (small) element of a fork, but that's hardly the correct description. |
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| 01:04.07 | bully | what happend to ifconfig? |
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| 01:04.17 | whislock | bully: Deprecated over ten years ago. |
| 01:04.22 | whislock | bully: See 'ip'. |
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| 01:05.34 | daeros | I am running 2019.4 and every time I try to run winecfg it tells me it cannot find wine32 even though I installed libwine... I cannot figure out how to fix this and i've tried googling... |
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| 01:05.53 | daeros | I need to install the 32 bit version of wine |
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| 01:06.00 | daeros | and cannot figure out how |
| 01:06.01 | whislock | daeros: 2019.4 of what? |
| 01:06.05 | daeros | kali linux |
| 01:06.12 | whislock | Wrong channel. |
| 01:06.16 | daeros | sorry |
| 01:06.18 | daeros | whoops |
| 01:06.54 | darthdeus | hey guys, is there some way to download a .deb package from repositories online? I'm probably dumb, but I just don't see it here https://packages.debian.org/stretch/net/autossh |
| 01:07.16 | darthdeus | there are only downloads for the source :\ |
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| 01:11.03 | oerheks | click your arch, https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/autossh/download |
| 01:11.25 | oerheks | then the mirror |
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| 01:12.31 | darthdeus | oerheks: thanks! |
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| 03:19.34 | magic_ninja | how can I change the timing for unattended upgrades. They always happen in the middle of the evening. |
| 03:20.39 | nvz | https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades#Automatic_call_via_.2Fetc.2Fapt.2Fapt.conf.d.2F02periodic |
| 03:21.04 | nvz | I think they got something in there that by default tries to mix up the times to even out the load on mirrors |
| 03:21.21 | nvz | I haven't really looked into it, as I'm not a fan of auto updates |
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| 03:22.28 | nvz | https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades#Modifying_download_and_upgrade_schedules_.28on_systemd.29 |
| 03:22.43 | magic_ninja | thanks |
| 03:22.50 | magic_ninja | I don't mind it for security updates. |
| 03:22.55 | magic_ninja | I just wish it didn't use up my entire connection |
| 03:23.22 | nvz | idk I rarely see bottleneck on the download.. its the dpkg db thrashing that slows most machines |
| 03:23.35 | nvz | thats after the download is finished |
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| 03:24.07 | nvz | the download is just an http get and typically doesnt do more than 2-3 at a time at most |
| 03:24.17 | nvz | and I believe you can configure that as well |
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| 04:03.17 | sponix | nvz: you still alive ? |
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| 04:03.57 | nvz | how would I know? |
| 04:04.35 | nvz | I havent farted in hours.. I might not be.. |
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| 04:04.52 | sponix | I had to ditch the unattended updates. When my rig takes an Nvidia update everything starts to go sideways if I don't reboot after. Back in Nvidia 390 and so that didn't happen though |
| 04:05.26 | nvz | you ever look at your kernel messages? |
| 04:05.52 | nvz | you'll find one that says something to the effect of "this module taints your kernel" |
| 04:05.56 | nvz | heh |
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| 04:22.00 | sponix | nvz: you said taint - lol |
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| 05:30.23 | chimp | if I right click on desktop I get no menus , not sure how to troubleshoot it |
| 05:30.54 | chimp | also I am unable to add any desktop backgrounds , have been trying to remove everything but xfce |
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| 05:40.03 | oxek | will debian be packaging powershell eventually? or is there something preventing debian from packaging it? |
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| 05:43.13 | themill | ,wnpp powershell |
| 05:43.14 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/834756 in wnpp (forwarded): «RFP: powershell -- scripting language interpreter built on .NET»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2016-08-18; last modified: 2019-08-15. |
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| 06:41.09 | xcorshinex | guys is there something wrong with debian 10? those apps that I downloaded from snapcraft dont appears on my list |
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| 06:47.05 | diogenes_ | xcorshinex, what list? |
| 06:47.55 | jelly | oh dear, deb.sury.org backports things like icu and openssl :-\ |
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| 06:48.37 | Unit193 | Indeed. :/ |
| 06:49.10 | xcorshinex | diogenes_: I mean I searched it, but I cant find it |
| 06:50.21 | diogenes_ | xcorshinex, sometimes you need a re-log in order for the shortcut to appear in the menu. |
| 06:50.22 | jelly | welp, so much about recommending that |
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| 06:51.12 | xcorshinex | diogenes_: relogin? you mean reboot the machine? |
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| 06:51.45 | diogenes_ | xcorshinex, no, logout and back. |
| 06:51.56 | xcorshinex | diogenes_: ah okay will try it |
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| 06:53.43 | xcorshinex | diogenes_: it works!! thanks mate |
| 06:54.07 | diogenes_ | np |
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| 07:51.01 | MaxFrames | hello |
| 07:53.00 | MaxFrames | I need to install a debian 10 virtual machine from scratch, and configure some services exactly as they were in an old debian 7 installation, so I will export the configurations and try to set up the services on the new machine |
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| 07:53.53 | MaxFrames | one question: the old machine is x86; I would like to install the new one as amd64; will I have problems with exporting/importing the service configurations? namely openvpn, but also isc-dhcp-server and arpwatch |
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| 08:00.23 | jm_ | MaxFrames: in general no, there are obviously tools where this won't work |
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| 08:01.24 | MaxFrames | do you think the three services I mentioned are among them? |
| 08:03.03 | jm_ | my guess is you should be fine - the problem can happen if tools use some kind of binary storage format - I have converted several systems from x86 to amd64 and only run into an issue with bogofilter's database AFAIR |
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| 08:16.19 | erkana | Hi, I am receiving no kernel modules loaded error on testing non free installer, I tried downloading 2 times, burned usb using rufus on windows and dd on a linux box but nothing changed. I downloaded from /cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/. What might be going wrong? |
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| 08:18.10 | ratrace | erkana: what's the context of the error? |
| 08:18.50 | towo^work | erkana, don't use rufus |
| 08:19.02 | towo^work | it does change the iso |
| 08:19.59 | erkana | error was related to kernel mismatch |
| 08:20.13 | erkana | No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the Installer and the kernel version available in the archive. |
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| 08:20.45 | erkana | I also used a linux box and dd to create the usb, still got same error |
| 08:21.40 | ratrace | erkana: but what is the context, what are you doing exactly that results with that error? |
| 08:24.01 | erkana | I was trying to install nonfree testing build on my laptop. Error came at step after selecting regional settings on installer |
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| 08:26.55 | jelly | erkana: eh, the build might be broken. |
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| 08:28.46 | jelly | erkana: if your goal is to have debian testing installed, use stable installer, install the base system, then upgrade to testing |
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| 08:28.55 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 08:28.55 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 08:30.28 | jelly | erkana: those testing installer, and testing live images are used to test the installer or live builds, not to install testing |
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| 08:31.14 | jelly | and after that, |
| 08:31.17 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 08:31.18 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 08:37.08 | erkana | jelly, thank you for the info |
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| 08:54.43 | rue_mohr | does anyone know anything about a update of gimp causing it to segfault? |
| 08:55.03 | rue_mohr | according to what I'v seen online, its got something to do with a library version being wrong |
| 08:55.23 | rue_mohr | but this was via apt-get, so the correct libraries should have aleady been installed |
| 08:55.42 | rue_mohr | its like the gimp package fails to require the right library version? |
| 08:55.48 | jm_ | in debian stable? |
| 08:55.51 | Lycurgus | version? |
| 08:56.13 | rue_mohr | yes stable |
| 08:57.03 | Lycurgus | 2.8.22 has never done that for me |
| 08:57.33 | Lycurgus | in fact in more than a decade of use I can't recall gimp ever segfaulting |
| 08:59.03 | rue_mohr | well, maybe your system got whatever my gimp needs, from a different package |
| 08:59.35 | rue_mohr | how do I trace the fault? |
| 08:59.59 | Lycurgus | well the referred to epoch spans a number of distros |
| 09:00.26 | rue_mohr | gimp -v |
| 09:00.27 | rue_mohr | GNU Image Manipulation Program version 2.10.8 |
| 09:00.30 | rue_mohr | interesting |
| 09:00.31 | Lycurgus | my advice would be not to and instead address the config issue |
| 09:00.42 | Lycurgus | directly, using common sense |
| 09:01.11 | rue_mohr | dpkg --reconfigure? |
| 09:01.12 | dpkg | rue_mohr: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 09:01.40 | jm_ | do you see anything useful if you start it from a terminal? |
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| 09:01.55 | rue_mohr | no, it just waits a while and segfualts |
| 09:02.05 | jm_ | which version is it? |
| 09:02.13 | rue_mohr | GNU Image Manipulation Program version 2.10.8 |
| 09:02.19 | jm_ | dpkg version |
| 09:02.19 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_ , or run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Miscellaneous commands: try --version on the command. For the version of Debian, ask me about <debian suite>. |
| 09:02.26 | jm_ | dpkg -s gimp |
| 09:02.26 | dpkg | Dingos ate my gimp! |
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| 09:07.28 | rue_mohr | +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ |
| 09:07.58 | Haohmaru | o hai therr mr rue |
| 09:08.04 | rue_mohr | openat(AT_FDCWD, "lib/i386-linux-gnu/charset.alias", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 09:08.05 | rue_mohr | hi |
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| 09:19.21 | rue_mohr | dpkg-reconfigure didn't fix it |
| 09:19.38 | rue_mohr | maybe a purge and reinsatll? |
| 09:20.23 | rue_mohr | I suppose if I cant get it, I need to compile it myself maybe? |
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| 09:21.21 | jelly | ,v gimp |
| 09:21.22 | judd | Package: gimp on amd64 -- jessie: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; stretch: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; buster: 2.10.8-2; bullseye: 2.10.12-1; sid: 2.10.14-2 |
| 09:21.33 | rue_mohr | just removing gimps 41 dependency packages |
| 09:21.41 | rue_mohr | I'm 32 bit |
| 09:21.48 | Haohmaru | aww |
| 09:21.56 | jelly | rue_mohr: a purge and reinstall only makes sense if you're sure it's gimp to fault, and not something else |
| 09:22.04 | Haohmaru | donates one moar bit to rue_mohr |
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| 09:23.43 | jelly | rue_mohr: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy gimp libgimp2.0 gimp-data" and "ldd /usr/bin/gimp" |
| 09:23.45 | rue_mohr | huh nope, still segfaults |
| 09:25.04 | rue_mohr | please stand by... |
| 09:25.52 | rue_mohr | http://paste.debian.net/1118490/ policy |
| 09:26.10 | rue_mohr | http://paste.debian.net/1118491/ gimps |
| 09:26.25 | rue_mohr | http://paste.debian.net/1118492/ ldd |
| 09:26.32 | rue_mohr | see anything? |
| 09:27.37 | colo-work | [10:21:41] <rue_mohr> I'm 32 bit - why, though? :) |
| 09:27.51 | colo-work | maybe also try a `sudo debsums --silent` |
| 09:27.55 | rue_mohr | the install is from 2002, upgraded thru the years |
| 09:28.07 | colo-work | rue_mohr, but you're on a 64bit host? |
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| 09:28.14 | rue_mohr | it is now |
| 09:28.24 | rue_mohr | I dont know how to move over without reinstalling |
| 09:28.27 | jelly | ^ |
| 09:28.37 | colo-work | you're aware you can install a 64bit kernel and install packages from amd64 due to multilib? |
| 09:28.43 | rue_mohr | nope |
| 09:28.45 | rue_mohr | :) |
| 09:28.51 | rue_mohr | thats a good thing to be aware of! |
| 09:28.54 | jelly | colo-work: that does not fix the whole dpkg arch. |
| 09:28.59 | colo-work | (but yeah, "properly" crossgrading is... messy) |
| 09:29.01 | colo-work | jelly, I know |
| 09:29.02 | rue_mohr | so, to do that, do I make the kernel first? |
| 09:29.13 | colo-work | but it's still valuable to have select programs available in 64bit, I think |
| 09:29.31 | jelly | rue_mohr: I have 64bit kernel and google-chrome-stable and skypeforlinux on an otherwise 32bit buster and stretch. |
| 09:29.52 | rue_mohr | ok |
| 09:30.06 | rue_mohr | I do a custom kernel, but I presume I just check the 64bit when I do? |
| 09:30.13 | rue_mohr | this could use a new kernel anyhow |
| 09:30.23 | rue_mohr | errrr, if my video card is supported... |
| 09:30.33 | jelly | stopped with custom kernels around 2005ish |
| 09:30.47 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.18 | jelly | if it fails with nouveau, you can try debian's packaging of nvidia closed drivers |
| 09:31.35 | rue_mohr | so far I'v had to use the drivers from nvidia |
| 09:31.52 | rue_mohr | the noveau ones would crash regularily |
| 09:32.12 | Haohmaru | paiNVIDIA x_x |
| 09:32.24 | rue_mohr | yea... |
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| 09:32.51 | jelly | rue_mohr: nothing immediately obvious but seeing as you have dmo repos installed, it's possible a library from there is used and disliked by gimp |
| 09:32.53 | rue_mohr | do you know if new new pcie cards work on really early pcie motherboards? |
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| 09:33.11 | jelly | that's a TIAS if I've ever seen one |
| 09:33.23 | jelly | !tias |
| 09:33.23 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 09:33.27 | rue_mohr | jelly, maybe if I shuffle the order to get it to pull gimp from the main deb repo? |
| 09:33.55 | jelly | rue_mohr: the order of what, repos? That does not affect choice of installation candidate. |
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| 09:34.01 | jelly | by apt |
| 09:34.06 | colo-work | rue_mohr, unlike with AGP, there's not been a change in the physical interface (that I'm aware of) with PEG |
| 09:34.22 | rue_mohr | well, I could turn off the multimedia source for now |
| 09:34.56 | rue_mohr | k, re pcie, it looked like they have make a number of changes, and I wasn't sure if I was safe buying a new card |
| 09:35.07 | rue_mohr | I'd like a tripplehead if I can find a descent one |
| 09:35.18 | rue_mohr | (not a gamer, so should be easy) |
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| 09:36.38 | colo-work | "debsums: Error: symlink loop detected in path 'usr/share/doc/elinks/changelog.Debian.gz'. Please file a bug again elinks." *chuckle* |
| 09:37.02 | rue_mohr | heh |
| 09:37.16 | colo-work | rue_mohr, you should be able to get something from ATI/AMD that will be very OK for your use case cheaply |
| 09:37.55 | jelly | rue_mohr: it porbably does not help, but I "solved" my triple head issue in the end by moving from a 2010 machine with nvidia to a second-hand 2014 haswell workstation, with 2xDP 1xVGA and intel gpu |
| 09:38.34 | jelly | rue_mohr: aided by $4 chinese DP-HDMI adapters |
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| 09:39.34 | jelly | the "new" machine was around 120EUR, and capable of using the same DDR3 RAM as the old one |
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| 09:43.39 | Haohmaru | i use an old-ish model of radeon and it's fine |
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| 09:48.02 | rue_mohr | hmm can minidisplayport -> dvi adapt?... |
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| 09:50.22 | rue_mohr | http://www.atic.ca/index.php?page=details&psku=203636 reasonable? avoid? |
| 09:51.09 | rue_mohr | oh tommorow... today is black friday... I wonder... |
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| 10:03.27 | MaxFrames | a lame question: near the end of the debian 10 installation I am asked to install additional items, the first item (checked by default) is "Debian desktop environment", then there is a list of window managers (gnome, xfce etc.) |
| 10:03.57 | MaxFrames | none of these is selected. do I have to select one, or is "debian desktop enviroment" enough to have a gui? |
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| 10:04.41 | SPF | MaxFrames: no, you don't need to select one |
| 10:05.40 | MaxFrames | I want to keep this system minimal but I do need to have a gui and I will need to have remote desktop capabilities (so I think vnc? or is there something more secure nowadays?) |
| 10:06.13 | MaxFrames | on the old machine I was using xrdp (since all the rest of my enviroment is windows, including my workstation) but that is not a requirement |
| 10:06.40 | jelly | MaxFrames: if you have just the "Debian desktop enviroment" selected, a DE will be installed. And it's Gnome. If you also select Gnome it's exactly the same thing. |
| 10:06.51 | MaxFrames | got it |
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| 10:10.33 | humbot | environment |
| 10:11.21 | MaxFrames | typpo |
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| 10:48.36 | amosbird | hello, can I install debian package on ubuntu? |
| 10:49.33 | towo^work | why not, if you break something, not our problem since here is no support for ubuntu |
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| 10:50.41 | amosbird | ok |
| 10:50.56 | cookie4700 | why would you want do that amosbird? |
| 10:51.09 | amosbird | well, it's not very related |
| 10:51.15 | amosbird | libdrm-dev drops .a |
| 10:51.23 | amosbird | I need to build a customized one with .a |
| 10:51.31 | amosbird | I only know how to do that in debian |
| 10:52.11 | amosbird | now I wish I was on gentoo... |
| 10:52.30 | cookie4700 | distro hopping at its best :) |
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| 11:07.57 | astra | wondering is there a way to disable vpngate |
| 11:08.29 | astra | it just keeps showing up whenever i try connecting to my own private vpn service |
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| 11:15.34 | Abdullah | dpkg: error processing package fuse (--configure): |
| 11:15.34 | dpkg | abdullah: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 11:15.37 | Abdullah | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.39 | Abdullah | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 11:15.41 | Abdullah | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.43 | Abdullah | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 11:16.55 | han-solo | don't paste in the channel |
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| 11:18.18 | ksk | !paste |
| 11:18.18 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 11:20.30 | Abdullah | https://paste.debian.net/1118510/ I can't install fuse |
| 11:21.08 | Abdullah | or gettting fuse error with every apt command |
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| 11:22.23 | han-solo | Abdullah: are you running in some container ? |
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| 11:22.43 | Abdullah | its a laptop |
| 11:22.53 | Abdullah | han-solo:^^ |
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| 11:25.23 | han-solo | https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1242584.html |
| 11:27.46 | MaxFrames | sigh... I've fresh installed a debian 10 vm on hyper-v, and upon the first post-installation reboot I am stuck at [ OK ] Started GNOME Display Manager |
| 11:28.04 | MaxFrames | now I have a blinking cursor and the boot sequence won't go any further |
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| 11:28.42 | MaxFrames | this is a fresh install on a newly created VM on a blank virtual hard disk, using the debian 10 amd64 iso dvd as the source of the installation |
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| 11:30.53 | han-solo | Abdullah: also i can see an old thread https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=751015 |
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| 11:31.37 | han-solo | but yours have not much information, i don't think the above is the reason for the fail |
| 11:32.22 | MaxFrames | the whole boot sequence looked clean, a series of [ OK ] all around the place, and then everything hangs after starting gnome |
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| 11:35.14 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 11:35.14 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 11:35.36 | jelly | Abdullah: pastebin all of the above, ^ preferably in a single pastebin entry |
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| 11:41.56 | MaxFrames | I honestly don't know what to do. apart from running on a vm (which should be supported anyway, even in hyper-v) there is nothing that should prevent this thing to even boot. and no errors/warnings/nothing. just a blinking cursor. |
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| 11:44.47 | MaxFrames | I gave it more RAM. I gave it a further CPU core. what the hell. |
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| 11:48.24 | towo^work | MaxFrames, gnome needs functional hardware accelerated 3d |
| 11:48.36 | towo^work | MaxFrames, is that given in your VM? |
| 11:49.18 | MaxFrames | as far as I know, yes |
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| 11:50.06 | MaxFrames | the debian 7 machine also used gnome and boots without a problem in hyper-v; same for debian 8 and even debian 9 (but the in place upgrade from 8 to 9 didn't go well so I am installing 10 from scratch) |
| 11:51.13 | towo^work | MaxFrames, debian 8 and 9 had an older gnome version |
| 11:51.30 | towo^work | MaxFrames, hyper-v doe snot provide hardware 3d for klinux guests |
| 11:52.15 | towo^work | MaxFrames, and btw, a blinking cursor is the sign of missing x driver |
| 11:52.39 | towo^work | and in debian 10 gnome defaults to wayland (afaik) |
| 11:53.01 | towo^work | and wayland for sure does not work on hyper-v due missing hardware |
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| 11:53.32 | towo^work | 1st i would try would be gnome fallback session on xorg |
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| 12:02.23 | MaxFrames | no clue how |
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| 12:04.17 | towo^work | MaxFrames, edit gdm3.conf for using x instead of wayland, choose gnome on xorg in gdm |
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| 12:06.45 | MaxFrames | gdm3.conf.... which is not in /etc/gdm3 |
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| 12:07.18 | dob1 | ,v postgresql |
| 12:07.19 | judd | Package: postgresql on amd64 -- jessie: 9.4+165+deb8u3; jessie-security: 9.4+165+deb8u4; stretch: 9.6+181+deb9u2; stretch-proposed-updates: 9.6+181+deb9u3; stretch-security: 9.6+181+deb9u3; buster: 11+200+deb10u2; buster-proposed-updates: 11+200+deb10u3; buster-security: 11+200+deb10u3; bullseye: 12+210; sid: 12+210 |
| 12:07.24 | MaxFrames | unless it is /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf |
| 12:07.37 | MaxFrames | which has a WaylandEnable=false line, commented out |
| 12:07.52 | jm_ | so try to uncomment it |
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| 12:09.42 | MaxFrames | freaking heck, it worked |
| 12:10.14 | MaxFrames | this weyland guy really was after m,e |
| 12:11.00 | MaxFrames | thanks |
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| 13:10.20 | Robin22440 | Hi all, someone have a issue with debian buster docker image and tomcat9 package ? I've no service and no init.d script installed. More info in this gist https://gist.github.com/robinfdx/3c7a7eb4913ac7c47b486d80f3e4d45a |
| 13:11.21 | colo-work | `systemctl status tomcat\*` |
| 13:11.22 | colo-work | ? |
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| 13:12.42 | Robin22440 | "System has not been booted with systemd as init system (PID 1). Can't operate. |
| 13:12.42 | Robin22440 | Failed to connect to bus: Host is down" |
| 13:13.05 | colo-work | w/e. another epic win for Docker. |
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| 13:16.33 | Robin22440 | for information i've this bug since the release date of stable debian buster docker image. |
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| 15:23.18 | bigfatstackjack | Anyone know how to rate limit journald's write interval , its hammering my disk due to some stupid nvidia bug |
| 15:23.34 | bigfatstackjack | I tried SyncIntervalSec=5m |
| 15:23.35 | bigfatstackjack | RateLimitIntervalSec=30s |
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| 15:28.02 | ratrace | bigfatstackjack: There's also RateLimitBurst, but.... that'd be the wrong thing to do, instead fix the nvidia bug |
| 15:28.27 | greycat | I only know one way to fix nvidia bugs. |
| 15:28.49 | ratrace | yeah, if proprietary driver is not working, use nouveau, or vice versa. |
| 15:29.04 | greycat | My way is "don't use nvidia hardware". |
| 15:29.19 | ratrace | That's the bug I'm fixing these days with a switch to AMD :) |
| 15:31.04 | bigfatstackjack | ratrace I completely agree with you i'd rather have the bug fixed instead |
| 15:31.22 | bigfatstackjack | Sadly i didnt pick this laptop and its hybrid horror once again |
| 15:31.47 | greycat | "Don't use nvidia hardware" seems to apply tenfold when it's optimus. |
| 15:31.54 | bigfatstackjack | right now my primary concern is not to burn my battery in 45 min |
| 15:32.13 | bigfatstackjack | sadly my hdmi ports are wired through the card hence i have to use it |
| 15:32.54 | bigfatstackjack | noveau is buggy with exeternal display , so yea we agree that it sucks , for now i just want to limit writes |
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| 15:33.40 | greycat | well, you might ask the #systemd channel; they might know better than we do |
| 15:35.01 | bigfatstackjack | yea i guess |
| 15:35.39 | ratrace | bigfatstackjack: also don't forget that with forwarding to syslog, the write is amplified ~2x |
| 15:36.17 | ratrace | so you can remedy this by making journald in-memory only (aka Storage=volatile), aside to rate limiting, and optionally tweak rsyslog or disable forwarding. |
| 15:36.41 | bigfatstackjack | Yea I thought about doing that too , maybe that is good enough for now |
| 15:36.54 | bigfatstackjack | its ugly but its better than having my disk hammered for now |
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| 15:37.18 | ratrace | Personally I like journald only as a small, temporary, in-memory, indexed log I can easily query, before it's permanentized via syslog. |
| 15:37.27 | bigfatstackjack | I dont get why journald by default writes all the time , silly thing in general |
| 15:37.46 | ratrace | bigfatstackjack: %s/journald/syslogd/ and it applies equually |
| 15:38.09 | bigfatstackjack | this is dmesg that is spitting |
| 15:38.53 | ratrace | still goes through journald and to syslogd. dmesg is just a tool to view the kernel ring buffer |
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| 15:55.04 | discovered | hi |
| 15:55.26 | discovered | I am trying to redirect traffic with iptables rules. https://pastebin.com/44jSPq73 |
| 15:55.54 | discovered | Error: iptables v1.8.2 (nf_tables): unknown option "--destination-port" |
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| 16:06.47 | Robin22440 | discovered: do you've try to specify interface (-i) ? |
| 16:09.40 | discovered | Robin22440, Solved |
| 16:09.51 | discovered | i was not root :( |
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| 16:39.22 | filpAM | s |
| 16:39.43 | B|ack0p | sup |
| 16:40.00 | filpAM | Which is the best fine-grained benchmarking tool for optimization difference? |
| 16:40.21 | filpAM | gprof precision is low |
| 16:40.24 | B|ack0p | filpAM: no idea |
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| 16:42.59 | filpAM | B|ack0p: :( I wonder if there are any programs that measures the time in instruction cycles |
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| 16:44.28 | B|ack0p | filpAM: well you need to explain to me what is instruction cycles :p |
| 16:44.34 | B|ack0p | i am a newbie |
| 16:44.36 | B|ack0p | sorry.. |
| 16:44.44 | B|ack0p | i am not an IT dude :p |
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| 17:05.25 | Jackkacl | Hi, I have a small issue with my debian install. Every hour or two, I get a long network delay for about 5-15 seconds before the connection re-establishes. This is continuously reoccuring. |
| 17:05.38 | Jackkacl | I checked the logs and the following occurs every single time the phenomenon happens: |
| 17:06.24 | Jackkacl | https://pastebin.com/pwWaJu75 |
| 17:06.37 | Jackkacl | Any input on the matter would be appreciated. Thanks |
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| 17:09.09 | Lord_of_Life | What's the proper way to get Java 8 on Deb 10? |
| 17:09.21 | jelly | ,v openjdk-8-jdk |
| 17:09.22 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jdk on amd64 -- stretch: 8u222-b10-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 8u232-b09-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 8u232-b09-1~deb9u1; sid: 8u232-b09-1 |
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| 17:09.45 | Lord_of_Life | I was getting package not found for that one, apt search only shows 11 |
| 17:09.51 | jelly | Lord_of_Life: add back stretch repos, but it's not going to be supported forever. |
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| 17:10.10 | jelly | which is why it was removed in the first place, probably |
| 17:10.46 | jelly | !stretch sources.list |
| 17:10.46 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 17:10.59 | Lord_of_Life | So when it's not anymore, I'll only be able to manually install it if I want it |
| 17:11.30 | jelly | Lord_of_Life: when it's not any more, it will be buggy and more filled with security holes than the usual amount |
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| 17:11.55 | jelly | it will still be present in the (archived) stretch repo |
| 17:12.09 | Lord_of_Life | Absolutely, can't be helped. |
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| 17:13.52 | jelly | "fix your software to work with a supported JDK" is out of the question? |
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| 17:14.21 | Lord_of_Life | When the soft ain't yours / in your ballpark, no. |
| 17:14.33 | Lord_of_Life | Minecraft Modded server btw, for future ref |
| 17:14.35 | tradar | or why not a "fix your software to work without a JDK" ĸeĸ |
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| 17:15.28 | Lord_of_Life | seems to be resolved anyways, thank you |
| 17:16.33 | jelly | Lord_of_Life: well, at least keep it behind a VPN all your friends got access to and not on public IP address |
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| 17:16.50 | Lord_of_Life | Excellent advice |
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| 17:17.06 | humbot | :v |
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| 17:27.27 | bello | hi. how can i a wget a specific dir? |
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| 17:31.14 | jelly | bello: with all the contents? |
| 17:33.16 | jelly | bello: use recursion, and then also define limits to said recursion: depth limit, avoid spanning multiple hosts, and avoid looking at parent directory. RTFM about -r -l -np -nH |
| 17:33.29 | bello | jelly: yes. i used wget -r link but it downloaded from www dir and final dir shows up as a file not dir |
| 17:34.15 | jelly | bello: and sorry, -nH is not what I thought, and --span-hosts is not default |
| 17:34.36 | jelly | bello: I have no idea what "www dir" is and what "final dir" is |
| 17:36.22 | jelly | bello: wget just interprets html and reads links. If it finds a generated html index for an empty directory, there will be nothing further to download except the index itself |
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| 17:41.30 | bello | jelly: www dir is that begins to download from main domain. and final dir is that dir which i intended to download |
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| 17:44.38 | B|ack0p | jelly: i have a problem with debian could you help me? :p |
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| 17:45.34 | jelly | !ask |
| 17:45.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:45.59 | B|ack0p | jelly: well .. i dont know where to start :p |
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| 17:47.32 | humbot | if you can frame the question accurately, you may be able to make an effective google search and fix the problem yourself ;) |
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| 17:50.01 | EdePopede | B|ack0p: imagine you boot your computer, everything goes fine until... |
| 17:50.25 | B|ack0p | EdePopede: well it boots normal as i see :p |
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| 17:51.18 | EdePopede | sure, but at some point something is not as it should be. some glitch in the matrix, or maybe a fluctuation in the continuum. |
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| 18:13.38 | catz | yesterday i changed my sdd to save/backup some data, now whenever i boot i get a black screen after the bios messages for 1-2 minutes before the grub menu is showing up. any solution for this? |
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| 18:16.03 | somiaj | !fixmbr |
| 18:16.03 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 18:16.31 | somiaj | catz: you will have to use a live system to boot, and then check your grub config and see if you can figure out why it isn't able to boot the system anymore |
| 18:17.05 | somiaj | catz: oh wait, maybe I missunerstood, your firmware is taking 1-2 mins to load grub, but once grub is loaded it works fine? |
| 18:17.27 | catz | yes, once it's loaded it works fine |
| 18:17.35 | somiaj | catz: maybe go check your firwmares boot settings as to what drive it is using first (for legacy) or efi file it is using for uefi. |
| 18:17.53 | somiaj | sounds like switching disks as confused your firmware, and it is taking its time to figure out what to boot from. |
| 18:18.03 | greycat | hard to believe it would be a "black screen" with no messages at all, if the firmware is searching for a bootable device |
| 18:18.23 | somiaj | also many firmware have a hot key you can choose the boot device, you could see if choosing the boot device speeds it up |
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| 18:18.54 | somiaj | Lots of firmware has a quite mode, which is enabled by default, so it doesn't spit out messages to the screen outside of some logo |
| 18:19.18 | somiaj | so yea, if it has a quite mode disable it, maybe it is doing some full tests on your memeory or something else too in that time. |
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| 18:19.39 | fly_agaric | hello guys, i cant use sqldump in debian 10 with mysql. mysqldump: unknown variable 'init_connect=SET collation_connection = utf8_general_ci' |
| 18:19.53 | fly_agaric | i have set utf 8 in my my.cfg but it does not work |
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| 18:20.36 | greycat | does the database actually start up? what file are those *two* variables in (which are reported as one variable)? |
| 18:20.39 | catz | i unplugged all other sata cables (from cd/rom), made a bios reset and switchted the ram. but when i plug in another ssd also with debian it loads instant |
| 18:21.15 | catz | the grub menu looks different there though, gray colors instead of blue/green |
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| 18:22.16 | fly_agaric | mysqldump --version does the same error unknown variable 'init_connect=SET collation_connection = utf8_general_ci' |
| 18:22.20 | catz | nothing changed at the grub config, everything is on default |
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| 18:22.31 | somiaj | catz: dig through your firwmares configurations maybe disable quite setting see if you can figure out why it is taking so long to figure things out. |
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| 18:22.43 | somiaj | catz: this sounds more like firmware than grub, since as you said, once grub loads it goes fine. |
| 18:23.09 | greycat | fly_agaric: if you're incapable of grep -r'ing to find the file yourself, there's always strace/. |
| 18:23.40 | catz | aye thanks |
| 18:23.55 | fly_agaric | greycat: i dont understand what you are saying |
| 18:24.17 | fly_agaric | what should i grep? the error message or what? what do you want from me should i debug the mysql service? |
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| 18:24.45 | greycat | As I said already, find out WHAT FILE contains the VARIABLE(s) that are reported in your error message. |
| 18:25.26 | greycat | It seems extremely likely that the file is mangled, with two variable assignments rammed together into one. |
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| 18:28.44 | jelly | fly_agaric: grep -Rl init_connect /etc/mysql /etc/mariadb |
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| 18:29.08 | greycat | is there actually an /etc/mariadb/ directory? I don't have one of those. |
| 18:29.09 | fly_agaric | yes i kicked out nearly all parameters which my ticket system otrs said it needs :( |
| 18:29.13 | jelly | -l only shows file names for files matching the expression |
| 18:29.24 | fly_agaric | now the sqldump is working but the options required for otrs arent anymore |
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| 18:29.49 | jelly | greycat: here neither, that was a thinko |
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| 18:39.57 | nvz | heh |
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| 18:54.30 | revolutionary | I just wonder will Debian support https tor repo list? |
| 18:54.55 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 18:55.40 | revolutionary | greycat: how do you do? |
| 18:55.47 | revolutionary | i supposed you blocked me |
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| 19:16.50 | revolutionary | wasamasa: if i use http+tor repo list what can ISP see? |
| 19:17.52 | revolutionary | Can they see which packages i am updating or will they see just random computer IP addresses (relay)? |
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| 19:18.00 | wasamasa | honestly, you can tell best by using wireshark on yourself |
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| 19:18.23 | revolutionary | honestly i don't know how can i use wireshark for this job. |
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| 19:18.32 | revolutionary | Can you recommend a guide to me? |
| 19:19.03 | wasamasa | all I needed to know about it was a few pages from a course book |
| 19:19.11 | wasamasa | you'll do fine by looking up any tutorial explaining its GUI |
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| 20:26.35 | Ultima | I'm trying to manage lvm and for some reason the commands are missing after installing, anyone have an idea what the package name might be for the lvm commands? |
| 20:26.52 | greycat | ,v lvm2 |
| 20:26.53 | judd | Package: lvm2 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.02.111-2.2+deb8u1; stretch: 2.02.168-2; bullseye: 2.03.02-3; buster: 2.03.02-3; sid: 2.03.02-3 |
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| 20:27.08 | Ultima | yeah that is installed but they are still missing |
| 20:27.15 | greycat | !buster su |
| 20:27.16 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To use the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 20:27.29 | greycat | probably one or both of those answers |
| 20:27.53 | Ultima | yup thats the problem thanks |
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| 21:10.11 | notconnected | whats the diff between using $ and ` ? for example, echo `pwd` a d $pwd ? |
| 21:10.26 | greycat | https://mywiki.wooledg.org/BashGuide |
| 21:10.30 | greycat | gah |
| 21:10.35 | greycat | https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide |
| 21:10.40 | annadane | fail! |
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| 21:13.03 | notconnected | that link does not cover ` |
| 21:13.17 | greycat | You want to use ancient bullshit from 1978? Fine. |
| 21:14.06 | greycat | https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/SpecialCharacters#Deprecated_special_characters_.28recognized.2C_but_not_recommended.29 |
| 21:14.18 | greycat | Any more lies you would like me to destroy? |
| 21:14.48 | notconnected | oh shit i didnt even see that |
| 21:15.42 | notconnected | but thanks old man |
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| 21:17.39 | notconnected | obselete but still recognized |
| 21:18.22 | greycat | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/082 goes into more detail about the difference between the obsolete and current command substitution syntaxes |
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| 21:19.50 | notconnected | grey, im just using it for echo commands anyway nothing complex |
| 21:20.09 | greycat | There is really no reason to use `...` at all. $(...) is simply easier and better. |
| 21:20.20 | humbot | obsolete |
| 21:20.57 | notconnected | that wiki is solid though, might need to do more reading |
| 21:21.01 | greycat | `...` is required to continue doing the crazy backslash stuff that the original Bourne shell did, in order not to break 40 year old scripts |
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| 21:22.16 | notconnected | that makes sense |
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| 21:22.50 | notconnected | $ is just easy to read in my opinion |
| 21:23.07 | greycat | if you mean $( ) then yes, I agree |
| 21:23.29 | notconnected | well thanks for the info |
| 21:23.36 | notconnected | gtg |
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| 21:37.46 | mason | greycat: Next think you'll be pushing s-expressions. |
| 21:38.16 | greycat | when it comes to bash questions, the only goal is to get people up to a basic level of competence |
| 21:38.55 | greycat | writing things like what's the difference between `pwd` and $pwd shows me there's a huge uphill battle ahead |
| 21:39.11 | greycat | if they had written $(pwd) then I might have been able to jump straight to the relevant FAQ |
| 21:39.41 | greycat | but not even understanding there's a difference between $(pwd) and $pwd means they need the Guide first -- total n00b |
| 21:39.54 | mason | I'd have just said "one is a variable, but you got the case wrong" I think. But I like http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/082 |
| 21:40.14 | greycat | I didn't even *realize* they meant $(pwd) for the second one until 10 minutes in |
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| 21:40.28 | mason | Oh, I totally missed the timestamps. |
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| 21:50.48 | darsie | hi |
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| 21:56.25 | darsie | ckan[...].deb missed two packages. installing them needed removing libcomerr2:i386. libcom-err2 "is a transitional package to libcom-err2. It can safely be removed.", so I did it, but aptitude ended with "Current status: 0 (-1) broken." http://paste.debian.net/1118575/ |
| 21:56.55 | darsie | What does that mean? |
| 21:57.29 | darsie | umm, better paste: http://paste.debian.net/1118577/ |
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| 21:59.42 | darsie | 'aptitude install' then ended without error message. |
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| 22:08.17 | iio7 | I have installed zfs-dkms from backports and all the normal stuff works, but when I try to create an encrypted dataset I get "Encryption feature not enabled"? |
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| 22:09.23 | iio7 | Oh, the whole pool needs to be encrypted. |
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| 22:13.14 | jaakkos | No it doesn't need to, but he's gone... learn2irc :( |
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| 22:23.04 | mason | Hm, didn't realize 0.8 was in backports. |
| 22:23.45 | mason | Cool. |
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| 22:45.58 | UncleKiwi | cat /proc/sys/kernel/printk gives me 7 4 1 7 |
| 22:46.19 | UncleKiwi | i want 4 4 1 7 |
| 22:46.36 | UncleKiwi | i can not see where this is being set ? |
| 22:47.27 | UncleKiwi | what are the typical places the logging can be set - I know of 2 places |
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| 22:47.54 | UncleKiwi | one is grub.conf |
| 22:48.38 | UncleKiwi | and the other is sysctl.conf ( its not being done here ) |
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| 23:00.19 | UncleKiwi | ok its efi |
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| 23:16.14 | HelloShitty | Hi |
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| 23:16.34 | HelloShitty | What is the default image viewer in Debian Buster? Anyone knows? |
| 23:16.40 | annadane | there isn't one |
| 23:16.48 | annadane | i use feh |
| 23:17.23 | HelloShitty | feh? |
| 23:17.28 | annadane | ,i feh |
| 23:17.29 | judd | Package feh (graphics, optional) in buster/amd64: imlib2 based image viewer. Version: 3.1.3-1; Size: 150.4k; Installed: 332k; Homepage: https://feh.finalrewind.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/feh |
| 23:17.40 | HelloShitty | ok, let me try |
| 23:18.26 | annadane | if by "default", it's technically GNOME, so whatever gnome's picture thingy is |
| 23:18.31 | annadane | but there really isn't a default |
| 23:18.51 | annadane | i don't need much from a photoviewer, i like feh |
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| 23:22.43 | HelloShitty | I'm using Plasma esktop |
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| 23:22.47 | HelloShitty | I'm using Plasma Desktop |
| 23:24.08 | HelloShitty | What for do I need Akonadi? |
| 23:24.29 | Mathisen | is there an easy way to reinstall base packages. the ones that are installed with a minimal netinstal base |
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| 23:27.33 | mason | HelloShitty: It's relatively easy to build xv. That's what I use. |
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| 23:29.09 | HelloShitty | thank mason . I just installed feh... |
| 23:29.31 | mason | HelloShitty: That works too. It's the one I use when I'm feeling lazy. |
| 23:30.20 | HelloShitty | Somehow I managed to hit 'y' when Debian "told" me that there were a bunch of packages to remove because they were no longer needed |
| 23:30.34 | HelloShitty | Now I have to install them one by one when I need them |
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| 23:31.17 | humbot | tasksel might be useful to both of you |
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| 23:32.42 | Mathisen | am i correct to say that aptitude search ~prequired -F"%p" will list all packages that are installed on a minimal install ? |
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