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| 00:09.01 | annadane | oreo, we're not ubuntu, ask the ubuntu folks |
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| 00:17.12 | oreo | annadane sorry for a poor question. Is there anyway to run wordpress off PostgreSQL without having to use a github or other script to install it with? |
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| 00:17.51 | annadane | i don't know, maybe someone else does |
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| 00:52.20 | snaund | is there any particular reason there are no packages for eclipse or intellij in stable these days? |
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| 00:57.36 | Unit193 | snaund: #914448 |
| 00:57.37 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/914448 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: eclipse -- ROM; Old and unmaintained, replaced by finer-grained libraries»; severity: normal; opened: 2018-11-23; last modified: 2018-12-25. |
| 00:59.46 | dvs | snaund, I've heard that Eclipse is too tightly tied to Java 8. |
| 01:00.02 | dvs | Oops, missed that. |
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| 01:28.02 | dvs | O_O |
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| 01:36.54 | pi0 | which light weight vpn app do you ppl rec for debian |
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| 01:38.53 | annadane | i guess the standard is openvpn which however isn't what people normally think of... openvpn won't automatically give you an experience like PIA for instance (one shouldn't generally use free VPNs unless you run the other endpoint yourself), but it's a protocol by which to run things like PIA and others, for example |
| 01:39.48 | Unit193 | Though PIA has access via OpenVPN, of course. I think people like wireguard. |
| 01:40.01 | annadane | if you purchase a VPN subscription you can use openvpn to run it, for instance |
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| 01:41.16 | pi0 | barely learning linux |
| 01:41.22 | pi0 | going to run debian on a vm |
| 01:41.34 | pi0 | a buddy mentioned protonvpn |
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| 01:42.01 | pi0 | now i need a very light x windows manager since i will only give it 1 gb ran |
| 01:42.05 | annadane | sure, that's probably reputable... but to say it's "for debian" is a stretch, debian doesn't own it, it's probably not packaged *for* debian, but probably for linux or debian-like linux distros |
| 01:42.14 | annadane | it's just important to understand the difference |
| 01:42.36 | pi0 | ah i see |
| 01:42.50 | annadane | if the question is 'how good is protonvpn compared to other VPNs', that's beyond the scope of the channel |
| 01:43.00 | Unit193 | ProtonVPN is a service, rather than software itself. |
| 01:43.52 | annadane | you'd buy a protonvpn subscription and then ostensibly use openvpn to run it, though i haven't used it myself |
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| 01:48.47 | theciaguy | Wireguard is certainly promising in a technical sense, but I'm shocked that so many people use it at this point. |
| 01:48.55 | annadane | see also https://thatoneprivacysite.net/ for VPN evaluation generally |
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| 02:10.02 | ZaZaGX | !sources |
| 02:10.03 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 02:10.15 | ZaZaGX | !sources sid |
| 02:10.24 | ZaZaGX | !help |
| 02:11.15 | ZaZaGX | whats the sources list for sid? |
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| 02:11.44 | annadane | for sid you just need deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main (contrib non-free as you need) |
| 02:11.50 | annadane | no security, no sid-updates |
| 02:11.57 | ZaZaGX | oh |
| 02:12.11 | ZaZaGX | https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 02:12.14 | ZaZaGX | would that work? |
| 02:13.10 | annadane | as that site says what i just said, yes, but i'd be cautious relying on external sites like that |
| 02:13.21 | ZaZaGX | okay thanks |
| 02:13.45 | annadane | for stable and sid it's pretty simple, testing is a little more complicated |
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| 02:14.54 | annadane | that site says testing and testing-updates (which is already wrong; most people probably should use 'bullseye' and not 'testing'), i suppose that's right but i don't know |
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| 02:16.00 | ZaZaGX | ah, I just stopped the download of Debian sid, it didn't complete the download, so no install yet. How do i flush the downloads of the updates? |
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| 02:16.27 | theciaguy | ZaZaGX: Might I suggest that running sid may not be in your best interests, if you have all of these questions? |
| 02:16.55 | ZaZaGX | I don't want to create a FrankenDebian |
| 02:17.13 | ZaZaGX | Just wanted to try it out. i can always format |
| 02:17.21 | annadane | i would assume apt-get clean |
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| 02:17.37 | ZaZaGX | i wrote the wrong source list |
| 02:19.40 | ZaZaGX | thanks |
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| 02:45.59 | pi0 | do ppl still need to compile custom kernels |
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| 02:47.54 | annadane | 'need'? no |
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| 02:49.22 | theciaguy | I can't remember the last time I encountered a reason to need to do so. Or to even want to bother. |
| 02:49.45 | pi0 | so new kernels are available but not necessary |
| 02:49.49 | oiaohm | pi0: Yes currently I have to. |
| 02:50.01 | theciaguy | oiaohm: And now I'm curious! |
| 02:50.04 | annadane | new kernels are 'available' via backports or, as you said, compiling |
| 02:50.16 | pi0 | why do you need to? |
| 02:50.43 | oiaohm | My current cpu that in the ryzen 3000 class the newer kernel has the termal monitoring stuff built correctly in. |
| 02:50.55 | oiaohm | Yes the default debian kernel is missing that. |
| 02:51.07 | theciaguy | oiaohm: So you're just using a newer kernel with default configuration. |
| 02:51.31 | oiaohm | Few extra file systems enabled for data recovery stuff as well. |
| 02:51.38 | annadane | ,kernels |
| 02:51.39 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.3.0-trunk-686-pae (5.3.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.2.0-3-686 (5.2.17-1); bullseye: 5.2.0-3-686 (5.2.17-1); buster-backports: 5.2.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.2.9-2~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u1); jessie-backports: |
| 02:51.40 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
| 02:52.02 | annadane | 4.19 in buster, 5.2 in buster-backports, or compile it yourself, but most people won't find it necessary |
| 02:52.16 | annadane | the default kernel should work for most people |
| 02:52.59 | pi0 | i saw the menuconfig and its over 1000 questions |
| 02:53.13 | theciaguy | pi0: Why do you need to custom-compile a kernel? |
| 02:53.25 | oiaohm | Also a few performance allocation fixes future 5.4 that do effect the ryzen 3000 a lot. |
| 02:53.49 | pi0 | i was thinking it was for security |
| 02:53.56 | pi0 | but thats not the case right? |
| 02:54.04 | oiaohm | Yes with blender renders that can take days a few percent here or there does add up. |
| 02:54.09 | annadane | newer does not = more security support |
| 02:54.19 | annadane | you're probably more secure using the default |
| 02:55.00 | oiaohm | annadane: 5.3 is required for ryzen 3000 stuff to have the thermal stuff built in. |
| 02:55.14 | oiaohm | So the 5.2 is just short for the latest hardware. |
| 02:55.17 | annadane | oiaohm, i'm responding to pi0 |
| 02:55.19 | theciaguy | pi0: No. You'll realize far more security benefits from properly configuring your system and understanding what actual risks and threats are. |
| 02:55.51 | theciaguy | pi0: Learning what things actually improve security meaningfully, and what is security theater with little real benefit. |
| 02:57.30 | oiaohm | Most common reason I will be building custom kernel is that I am on really modern hardware like under 12months from release. |
| 02:57.57 | theciaguy | oiaohm: Which is totally understandable. |
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| 02:58.52 | pi0 | i was going about it all wrong |
| 02:59.01 | pi0 | kernel is not necessary for my small tasks |
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| 02:59.12 | pi0 | i just want to learn skills on debian so i can get jobs on freelancer |
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| 02:59.29 | annadane | people using debian stable may get old software, but not insecure software, the value of older versions is that they're known, fixed quantities |
| 02:59.57 | pi0 | i was considering gentoo |
| 03:00.15 | pi0 | perhaps after i mearn more |
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| 03:01.29 | pi0 | learn more |
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| 03:02.05 | theciaguy | pi0: Professional tip about Gentoo: Watching compiler spam doesn't teach you anything about Linux. ;) |
| 03:02.46 | annadane | which is not to say old versions are always better for everything. i do use newer WINE and firefox in debian |
| 03:03.19 | annadane | but no, on principle you don't 'need' newer kernels, until you do have to |
| 03:03.42 | oiaohm | Recovering devices means I need cramfs and JDB2 with ext4. Normal user would not need. |
| 03:04.01 | pi0 | which small light browser you use |
| 03:04.32 | oiaohm | I normally not wory about light browser when I am running on 32G of ram. |
| 03:04.52 | pi0 | living the dream |
| 03:04.56 | pi0 | you use blender you said |
| 03:05.17 | oiaohm | In the past for terminal browser I have links |
| 03:05.19 | pi0 | 32 gb ram must be extremly expensive |
| 03:05.30 | oiaohm | pi0: not the dream. 32gb is half what I wanted. |
| 03:05.50 | pi0 | compared to 4 |
| 03:06.11 | oiaohm | My internet machine that died was 4. |
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| 03:07.02 | oiaohm | 32Gb 3600 ddr4. That 4 8g sticks so it matches well to a rizen 3000 processor. |
| 03:07.04 | pi0 | but you use blender with that, how many cores if your processor |
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| 03:07.22 | pi0 | reason why i am asking is i am trying to learn godot engine |
| 03:07.22 | oiaohm | Currently 8 cores 16 threads rizen. |
| 03:07.49 | oiaohm | I do hope that there will be a 65 watt tdp 16 core rizen chip to upgrade to. |
| 03:08.09 | oiaohm | I don't have aircon and I live in an area that gets 35-40C days. |
| 03:08.55 | pi0 | dang |
| 03:09.06 | oiaohm | Running 120TDP cooler on a 65watt tdp part does seam to work out. |
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| 03:09.54 | pi0 | i prefer a comfy 4c |
| 03:10.12 | pi0 | sweater with warm cup of coffee |
| 03:10.17 | oiaohm | Worst day I had last year was 46C room without anything running. |
| 03:10.58 | oiaohm | Due to my lungs I cannot live in ac long term. |
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| 03:11.48 | oiaohm | So my computers have to be built to work in kind of adverse tempetures. |
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| 03:14.32 | pi0 | they do, oh man :/ |
| 03:15.24 | nuuuciano | really? |
| 03:15.35 | theciaguy | Really. |
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| 03:36.21 | chet | where is ms-sys? |
| 03:36.40 | dvs | ??? |
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| 03:38.11 | chet | do I need a special repo? |
| 03:38.31 | chet | or maybe its hidden in another package |
| 03:39.29 | chet | or snap package |
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| 03:41.17 | chet | http://ms-sys.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:41.44 | nolan_ | anyone up? |
| 03:41.54 | annadane | zzzz |
| 03:42.01 | annadane | nolan_, yeah, a few of us |
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| 03:56.20 | chet | does debian come with the ability to compile out of the box? |
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| 04:00.03 | pagetelegram | chet: gcc, I believe that's included with the ISO install. I use a fork #!++ and comes with local install. |
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| 04:05.53 | chet | pagetelegram: http://ms-sys.sourceforge.net/ trying to do step two here |
| 04:05.57 | chet | no dice |
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| 04:09.15 | annadane | do you have make installed? |
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| 04:09.52 | chet | annadane: is build essential a debian thing or only ubuntu |
| 04:09.57 | annadane | it's a debian thing too |
| 04:10.13 | chet | annadane: ok |
| 04:11.22 | pagetelegram | Yeah and this is how MS "loves" Linux: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ms-sys/+question/28349 |
| 04:11.43 | chet | im so rusting I can taste the iron oxide |
| 04:12.26 | theciaguy | pagetelegram: You do realize that that's eight years old, right? |
| 04:12.45 | theciaguy | The most recentl comment is. It's eleven years old from its initial creation. Almost twelve. |
| 04:13.11 | pagetelegram | Yes, though is the source due to licensing with MS sticking in it why it is no longer in repository for deb etc. |
| 04:14.09 | theciaguy | Maybe ask the question instead of some pithy sarcastiquotes statement about Microsoft. |
| 04:15.20 | theciaguy | ms-sys is, from what I can see, licensed under the GPL. |
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| 04:17.06 | pagetelegram | According to that convo, MS intervened: hence no ms-sys in repo. Though I found this for doing bootable FAT MBR: "sudo lilo -M /dev/sda mbr" |
| 04:17.18 | annadane | i wonder if gparted can't also do this, i have no idea |
| 04:17.28 | annadane | or like, fdisk... |
| 04:17.36 | chet | been trying |
| 04:17.58 | chet | alwyas get bad ntfs signatures |
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| 04:18.28 | chet | https://wycd.net/posts/2015-03-10-creating-a-bootable-windows-10-usb-drive-on-linux.html |
| 04:18.49 | chet | at step 10 |
| 04:19.00 | chet | but make failed |
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| 04:19.14 | pagetelegram | Oh, here I'm thinking you trying to make a bootable floppy FAT16 format. |
| 04:20.11 | pagetelegram | NTFS? damn, not sure you can make a bootable NTFS cmd without infringing a bunch of M$ |
| 04:20.50 | pagetelegram | Tho there is the ReactOS project. |
| 04:21.14 | pagetelegram | Open source implemntation of NTFS and WIN32 |
| 04:24.45 | pagetelegram | Looks like you do need ms-sys and use of 'dd' to image ISO to thumb....I digress. |
| 04:25.40 | chet | make: msgfmt: Command not found |
| 04:28.08 | pagetelegram | sudo apt-get install build-essential |
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| 04:29.10 | chet | pagetelegram: dod that |
| 04:29.14 | chet | did* |
| 04:29.41 | pagetelegram | Another route would be to install woeusb and is gui tool to make winx bootable on thumb. Add by sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8 though you need to install package for add-apt-repository command.... |
| 04:30.23 | chet | pagetelegram: yes I seen that was trying to do without it |
| 04:31.06 | annadane | https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian |
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| 04:31.49 | chet | lol |
| 04:31.56 | somiaj | I would not suggest adding a ppa to debian sources. |
| 04:32.03 | RoyK | pagetelegram: and then you just add a Sid repo and perhaps an older Ubuntu or Mint repo |
| 04:32.06 | RoyK | !ppa |
| 04:32.06 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
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| 04:33.11 | pagetelegram | RoyK: That would explain my past headaches :P |
| 04:33.13 | RoyK | mix as much distros in your repos as possible, as this will change the 'taste' of your distro to your favourite or perhaps whatever you don't want |
| 04:33.48 | theciaguy | RoyK: Wow, you're feeling particularly vicious. :P |
| 04:33.51 | somiaj | Or just break it. |
| 04:34.00 | RoyK | theciaguy: :D |
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| 04:36.25 | pagetelegram | Well if make is installed, perhaps running it is not found in the path. have you tried expressing it's path? "/bin/make" is it in your /bin ? |
| 04:38.53 | pagetelegram | Moving from deb9 to 10, I realized my beloved f-irc was dropped. |
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| 04:39.38 | RoyK | pagetelegram: I use irssi - still works ;) |
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| 04:44.40 | pagetelegram | Tried it, wasn't exactly my cup of tea. Navigaton and config files were easy for me to use on f-irc. Any how all my machines now are xwin of some DE or another. Been liking the #!++ fork...tho there is hardly anyone in their channel here. I see it is a pure breed Debian with conky and busybox configured nicely. |
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| 04:48.59 | annadane | ,v f-irc |
| 04:49.00 | judd | Package: f-irc on amd64 -- jessie: 1.36-1; stretch: 1.36-1+b2; bullseye: 1.36-1+b3; buster: 1.36-1+b3; sid: 1.36-1+b3 |
| 04:49.08 | annadane | ...it's still there though? |
| 04:49.41 | annadane | <-- hexchat for life, mainly because i can't be bothered configuring irssi |
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| 05:00.38 | RoyK | annadane: https://xkcd.com/1782/ ;) |
| 05:01.37 | annadane | i should install irssi if only for help-i-screwed-up-now-i'm-stuck-in-the-terminal |
| 05:01.52 | RoyK | annadane: the mouseover on that one is nice ;) |
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| 05:02.20 | RoyK | annadane: I live in the termial ;) |
| 05:06.17 | pagetelegram | mouse in terminal just for copy n paste. Forgot what package that is. Very useful. |
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| 05:08.01 | annadane | gpm |
| 05:08.22 | pagetelegram | Though I've accidentially flooded IRC rooms with that mouse tool :P can't say I missed it...gpm looks familar. |
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| 05:10.40 | annadane | RoyK, screen or tmux? looking for recommendations, AFAIK people mostly tend to prefer tmux |
| 05:10.55 | theciaguy | i use tmux |
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| 05:14.31 | RoyK | annadane: I use tmux |
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| 05:14.41 | RoyK | annadane: used to use screen, but I've moved on |
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| 05:16.10 | RoyK | I still stick to irssi, though, even though some of my friends say that's old shite and weechat is the new becoming (et cetera et cetera ad infinitum), but whatever ;) |
| 05:17.42 | Unit193 | It's pretty good at eating ram too! |
| 05:18.08 | pagetelegram | never heard of tmux. Friend showed me how to use screen with keeping processes going on remote from host. That much I learned. |
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| 05:18.48 | RoyK | pagetelegram: tmux (terminal multiplexer) is just a more modern version - I haven't looked back |
| 05:18.52 | Unit193 | tmux is like screen basically, they both do the same thing. |
| 05:19.01 | RoyK | (having used screen for 20 years before I moved to tmux) |
| 05:20.02 | annadane | i'm guessing one typically should prefer 'modern' versions anyhow (for when they genuinely do the same thing and not just bells and whistles which is obviously subjective) |
| 05:20.09 | annadane | neovim, for instance |
| 05:20.43 | Unit193 | FWIW, screen last had a release 01 Oct 2019. |
| 05:21.22 | pagetelegram | Is it more a fork or a different implentation entirely to accomplish the same task? |
| 05:21.32 | theciaguy | Different implementation, I believe. |
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| 05:21.57 | theciaguy | I've found that tmux is more usable, for me. I've had numerous inconveniently-timed instances of screen refusing to reattach to a session. |
| 05:22.28 | Unit193 | Yeah it's not a fork. |
| 05:22.55 | chet | so I wonder why gparted can make a bootable ntfs partition |
| 05:23.42 | annadane | because it was invented by Jesus. |
| 05:23.46 | pagetelegram | thank you....that is enough to sell me on using tmux over screen. Haven't used it enough yet to know; I will be using it more. Setup an old Xeon 8 core Mac Pro; used plopx to get past the 32bit efi barrier to get 64bit Debian on it. |
| 05:24.30 | pagetelegram | Keep getting set backs on my projects....most of them is testing benford's law on different types of data from DNA to election time stamps of ballot scans |
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| 05:24.56 | annadane | i understood some of those words |
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| 05:25.33 | pagetelegram | benfordbench.org has method and approach for time stamps of ballot scans etc. |
| 05:25.54 | theciaguy | Benford's law basically says that in any set of randomly-produced set of natural numbers, 30% will start with the digit "1." |
| 05:26.05 | theciaguy | Remove the second set. |
| 05:26.13 | pagetelegram | Had just started with developing scripts to turn fastq files into 2mers base 10 from hexdec. |
| 05:26.25 | pagetelegram | with time stamps however you use every digit in the time stamp |
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| 05:26.56 | pagetelegram | also ciaguy, if random then the distribution of significant digits is same |
| 05:27.16 | pagetelegram | you have to have some kind of natural dynamic for the 1 to appear 30% of the time |
| 05:27.33 | theciaguy | That is a misstatement of the Newcomb-Benford Law. |
| 05:27.57 | theciaguy | Well, I guess "natural dynamic" would be a fair way of phrasing it. |
| 05:28.07 | theciaguy | So, yeah. |
| 05:28.08 | pagetelegram | depends on your definiation of random. Random seed or the appearance of random ie psuedo random |
| 05:28.29 | pagetelegram | chaos is not random....and benford can be used to get an idea of entropy |
| 05:28.54 | theciaguy | The word you're looking for is "deterministic" vs "nondeterministic." |
| 05:29.06 | dominater34 | Hello, I'm running into a bizzare issue on my raspberry pi when attempting to ssh into it I'm getting this warning that says your password has expired. It then proceeds to ask for my current/new password but this just goes on in a loop. Also, I should mention that it's runnnig Raspian, not Debian |
| 05:29.33 | annadane | !raspbian |
| 05:29.33 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. https://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 05:30.07 | pagetelegram | well then we go down the rabbit hole of determinism vs free will. Ill digress for now....hypothesis with DNA is to detect cancer cells...got about 20gb of fastq files downloaded, parsed them already just gotta do the base conversions. |
| 05:30.41 | theciaguy | Uh, what? Deterministic vs. nondeterministic in the context of random numbers has nothing to do with determinism. So now I suspect you're throwing out word salad to seem impressive. |
| 05:31.19 | pagetelegram | No, I just don't know those terms you expressed. |
| 05:32.49 | annadane | is sorry for starting this |
| 05:32.56 | theciaguy | These things happen. |
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| 05:41.09 | pagetelegram | benfordbench.org up again; apache crashed sometime since last time I checked. |
| 05:41.39 | RoyK | dominater34: man chage |
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| 05:42.40 | annadane | maybe i should cool it with the factoids and stick to support questions |
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| 06:13.47 | kardborren | rewriting my code to not use these binaries, do I have a reasonable option to use to keep the web server more clean and avoid installing all this? |
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| 06:16.04 | kardborren | (I was thinking about setting up a separate server, not accessible from the net, that I could install all binaries on. And then somehow, from the web server, offload the work to the new server. But I can neither tell if this is somewhat insane, nor if it's really possible using some standard tool.) |
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| 06:41.38 | jelly | !apt recommends. |
| 06:41.38 | dpkg | Packages required in all but unusual cases (that is, "breakable" dependencies) are called "recommended" packages. By not installing these packages, you miss the standard functionality they provide. To disable once, "aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get --no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. See <why recommends>. |
| 06:42.17 | jelly | kardborren: ^ that can reduce the dependencies, at the expense of possibly breaking functionality you actually need |
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| 06:43.11 | kardborren | jelly: Thanks, but I'm not even installing the recommended packages for this. |
| 06:44.02 | jelly | then that's it, pdftk has to pull in a jvm, etc |
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| 06:46.54 | kardborren | jelly: I'm toying with the idea of setting up a separate server where I install these packages. And then, from my web server, I pretty much do something like this (sorry for weird typos, written on top of my mind) |
| 06:47.00 | kardborren | ssh binserver "/usr/bin/pdftk /shared-disk/doc_*.pdf cat output /shared-disk/merged.pdf" |
| 06:47.26 | kardborren | So, in my php code I would basically just exec("ssh binserver '/usr/bin/pdftk /shared-disk/doc_*.pdf cat output /shared-disk/merged.pdf'") |
| 06:47.39 | kardborren | Is this insane? |
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| 06:47.53 | kardborren | (I generally try to avoid insane solutions. :) ) |
| 06:47.58 | jelly | not sure what you'd gain by that, except complexity |
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| 06:49.09 | kardborren | jelly: I would gain having my public web server pristine. And I would move loads of binaries to a server that is not public facing. |
| 06:49.39 | jelly | and that would be useful because...? |
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| 06:50.53 | kardborren | Not sure what you're asking now. Are you saying that you would install anything without thinking twice on your public web server? ("Hey, the code needs this, I'll install it. Oh, 20GB dependencies, that's cool." |
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| 06:53.14 | jelly | no, I'm asking you to make a cost/benefit analysis |
| 06:56.03 | jelly | are said binaries using too much disk space? Are they extending an attack surface? Why would running the exact same tools on exact same inputs just on a different system be a benefit? |
| 06:56.04 | kardborren | Understood, and that's a good point. I've done that, albeit in an intuitive way only. And I would really like for my web server to be as clean as possible. Limit the attack vector, limit the variables that I have to consider once something brakes, etc. |
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| 06:56.21 | kardborren | breaks |
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| 06:56.52 | herzlichweise | o/ |
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| 07:06.41 | yogg | Hi |
| 07:08.18 | yogg | I use Debian 10 and try to hide an menuentry in grub2. I just want do make the entri invisible on boot, but I wan't to use it with a "grub-reboot". Does anybody know if this is possible? (I can't fine any visible or hidden option for an menuentry) |
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| 07:14.11 | Haohmaru | yogg you can fiddle with the entries in the grub configuration, no idea about the "grub-reboot" thing |
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| 07:18.33 | yogg | Yea I know. I already made all menuentrys I need and they all work, I only wan't to hide one entry so I can't select it on the boot. "grub-reboot" selects the grub entry for the next reboot. So "grub-reboot windows && reboot" would reboot to windows |
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| 07:19.19 | Haohmaru | *shrug* |
| 07:20.52 | yogg | I want to hide an "make-backup" menuentry (should not accidently used) |
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| 08:18.53 | ov3rmind | nice ugt, all great guys! |
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| 08:21.23 | dunz0r | I've got a Debian 7.11-machine... am I stupid to even try to upgrade it to Debian 10? Should I just reinstall it? |
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| 08:22.25 | themill | dunz0r: that rather depends on how many packages and how customised things are |
| 08:23.07 | avu | dunz0r: you'd have to upgrade 7->8->9->10 to be on a safe/supported path I think |
| 08:23.12 | dunz0r | Ouf |
| 08:23.17 | dunz0r | Reinstall it is then, haha |
| 08:23.27 | dunz0r | aint nobody got time fo that |
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| 08:24.19 | annadane | especially because 7->8 is the systemd transition |
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| 08:25.23 | annadane | i wonder at what point you can still do that, and packages just disappear... |
| 08:25.57 | annadane | if you upgrade 6 -> 7 (8's LTS just ended i think) i'm not sure if the debian 7 packages would even still be there :P but this is getting off topic |
| 08:26.50 | dunz0r | annadane: Yeah, Debian 7's packages are hard to find nowadays. 6 you can just forget about |
| 08:27.19 | themill | they aren't hard to find at all; archive.debian.org is just over there |
| 08:27.26 | dunz0r | I still have some machines that run Debian 6, but they have no internet access fortunately, and don't really do anything important, so until I can scrap them, I'll leave them alone |
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| 08:29.01 | dunz0r | Haha, I do loose sleep over them though. Debian 6 hasn't had security updates in 3 years |
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| 08:31.35 | Haohmaru | unsecurebian |
| 08:31.48 | dunz0r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:49.54 | peetaur2 | Howdy. I have a strange problem after a debian release upgrade. Debian 8 worked fine, and Debian 9 fails. With the normal debian 4.9 kernel and kernel 4.9.189-3+deb9u1 (git tag.. from repo https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux.git) built from source, the machine randomly reboots often (sometimes 4 reboots a day, sometimes takes a day before it happens... longest time before the fail (unscheduled reboot) was 18 hours) without any trace ( |
| 08:49.56 | peetaur2 | nothing in log, on screen, serial console, or kernel crash dump). But kernel 4.9.189-3+deb9u1_deb8u1 works fine. Looking at the 2 git commits, it looks like the only differences are some xen specific patch on a driver I am not loading, and something that probably makes it use gcc-4.9 for the good kernel, and gcc-6 for the bad kernel. I think the "_deb8u1" one is just the other that is backported to debian 8. The CPU on the machine is AMD EPYC |
| 08:49.57 | peetaur2 | 7401, which worked fine on the previous debian release; the same thing works fine on a Xeon E5620 and E5-2609, so that's probably relevant. (also I tested a few 4.4.x kernels, which are all ok, and 4,15 and 4.19 which are all bad, all built in the problem machine, which has both gcc versions installed, so can't say which was built with which) |
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| 09:31.47 | pigeon123 | /etc/rc.local happens after boot. But I want to script straight after /etc/fstab |
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| 09:32.06 | ZaZaGX | !sources |
| 09:32.06 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 09:56.10 | jmd | What's the correct way to add myself to the dialout group? |
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| 10:01.20 | themill | jmd: "adduser yourusername dialout" is simplest |
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| 10:02.56 | jmd | themill: Thanks |
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| 10:03.59 | krippa | Hello, Im on latest stable Debian, is there a way install openJDK 8? |
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| 10:05.34 | peetaur2 | pigeon123: if rc.local doesn't do what you want (which it rarely does) then use the init/rc system properly... in the case of systemd, make a unit in /etc/systemd/system, make it run your script, and systemctl daemon-reload; systemctl enable yourunit |
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| 10:08.20 | peetaur2 | ... and edit the Requires=, Before=, etc. stuff (see man 5 systemd.unit) to control when it runs (as you said, after mountall probably) |
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| 10:26.17 | millaus564578568 | Ciao a tutti :)) |
| 10:26.20 | millaus564578568 | Hi all |
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| 10:28.21 | millaus564578568 | i install debian 10 but i can see my eth intel I217-LM so i found a driver but i nneed help for compile driver module cause im noob. can someone help me ? |
| 10:28.35 | millaus564578568 | i install debian 10 but i can'T see my eth intel I217-LM so i found a driver but i nneed help for compile driver module cause im noob. can someone help me ? |
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| 10:29.33 | eypo | millaus564578568: Reboot the computer. Don't power off and on |
| 10:30.24 | eypo | millaus56478568: My laptop has that nic too and it's crap. Never detected on cold boot |
| 10:30.44 | millaus564578568 | i reboot many times man |
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| 10:32.48 | millaus564578568 | can someone tell me how to install driver module ? |
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| 10:34.55 | eypo | millaus564578568: lspci | grep Ethernet |
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| 10:35.58 | eypo | millaus564578568: dmesg | grep e1000e |
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| 10:36.34 | millaus564578568 | eypo Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection I217-LM (rev 04) |
| 10:37.16 | millaus564578568 | eypo: Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection I217-LM (rev 04) |
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| 10:37.55 | eypo | millaus564578568: dmesg | grep e1000e |
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| 10:44.28 | millaus564578568 | intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Driver - 3.2.6-k |
| 10:44.35 | millaus564578568 | eypo: intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Driver - 3.2.6-k |
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| 10:46.49 | eypo | millhaus: if you read down below that you'll see an error: I bet it is 'e1000e: probe of 0000:00:19.0 failed with error -3' |
| 10:47.13 | eypo | If so, you should try a BIOS upgrade. |
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| 10:51.20 | millaus564578568 | eypo: i can't see error |
| 10:52.10 | millaus564578568 | eypo: eno1 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full ..... |
| 10:52.17 | millaus564578568 | but dont work |
| 10:52.44 | eypo | millaus56478568: So your card is working and there's no need to compile anything |
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| 10:53.29 | eypo | millhaus56478568: systemctl status NetworkManager |
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| 10:54.51 | eypo | millaus564578568: ifconfig eno1 |
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| 10:57.00 | millaus564578568 | ifconfig don't work |
| 10:57.01 | millaus564578568 | i have ip |
| 10:57.36 | eypo | millaus564578568: run both commands as root |
| 10:57.58 | eypo | so? you have IP and you say your ethernet card is not working? how's that? |
| 10:58.31 | millaus564578568 | no ifconfig is no ip |
| 10:58.33 | millaus564578568 | no ifconfig is now ip |
| 10:58.39 | millaus564578568 | ifconfig deprecated |
| 10:58.47 | eypo | yes, whatever |
| 10:58.48 | millaus564578568 | and now in debian 10 i have ip command |
| 11:00.40 | eypo | apt install net-tools |
| 11:01.28 | eypo | ip link |
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| 11:16.46 | B|ack0p | hi |
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| 11:35.29 | jim | hi |
| 11:35.57 | pasiz_ | hi |
| 11:37.48 | jim | B|ack0p, pasiz_, hi, what's new? |
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| 11:44.32 | diogenes_ | Hello, what's the deal with Firefox-esr on Debian? The latest Firefox-esr is 68, on Debian 60, is it going to backports for Buster or the current esr 60 is going to be replaced with the newer 68 esr? |
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| 11:46.54 | B|ack0p | jim, nothing just greeting :p |
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| 11:47.46 | B|ack0p | diogenes_, my firefox is 60.9.0esr (64-bit) |
| 11:48.11 | diogenes_ | B|ack0p, i know :) |
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| 11:48.24 | B|ack0p | well comparing ubuntu, debian have earlier versions on everything |
| 11:48.35 | B|ack0p | kernel still 4.xxx firefox is 60... |
| 11:48.53 | B|ack0p | i didnt check other apps but probably they are earlier versions too |
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| 11:49.52 | diogenes_ | The reason i'm asking it's because there are some stable distros that switched to the newest esr 68 which provides the newer webrenderer with improved hw acceleration. |
| 11:50.11 | B|ack0p | ok |
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| 11:51.34 | ratrace | diogenes_: debian doesn't switch Stable to latest upstream versions just because they're available. it'll switch firefox-esr when the current esr EOLs |
| 11:52.04 | diogenes_ | ratrace, ok got that thanks. |
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| 11:54.17 | ratrace | B|ack0p: kernel is 4.19 because that's the LATEST upstream LTS. Debian tracks LTS kernels. Ubuntu tracks EOL kernels that are no longer supported upstream. |
| 11:54.38 | B|ack0p | ratrace, thx |
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| 12:39.44 | millaus564578568 | Ciao belli |
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| 12:53.58 | oxek | why is my freshly installed debian server accessing tcp://163.172.96.222 (the.al) port 9001? anyone know what that is? |
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| 12:54.59 | becks` | hi, let's say I try to ssh-login to a server with my ssh key, and I accidently connected to a server that belongs to a bad person... does it mean my key is compromised and he could connect to my server? |
| 12:55.43 | fflori | becks`: it shouldn't happen |
| 12:56.06 | fflori | it's the way asymmetric key is designed |
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| 12:56.25 | becks` | okay, thanks fflori |
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| 12:56.55 | netcrash | Hello, can someone give some pointers about these disk here it's a smartctl log http://paste.debian.net/1106594/ |
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| 13:01.18 | jak2000 | hi all, i have a cron task in my server that restart the server but not do the task, how to check why my server not shutdown(restart)? https://paste.debian.net/1106595/ |
| 13:01.18 | ratrace | netcrash: if that was mine, I'd start looking for a replacement. |
| 13:01.40 | netcrash | yeah, I got it after the kernel panic |
| 13:01.52 | netcrash | What values should I be looking at? |
| 13:02.12 | netcrash | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.21 | ratrace | netcrash: reallocated sector count and especially reported uncorrectible errors |
| 13:02.46 | zodd | jak2000, why on earth would you want unattended reboots on a scheduled basis? |
| 13:02.57 | ratrace | netcrash: once those are > 0 it's only going to get worse from there |
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| 13:03.37 | greycat | zodd: it's really common in environments where software is buggy/leaky |
| 13:03.42 | themill | jak2000: you have no «#!/bin/sh» line in that script |
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| 13:03.49 | netcrash | ratrace: thank you |
| 13:03.50 | ratrace | netcrash: uncorrectible are also certain corrupted data (while reallocated might not be). |
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| 13:05.10 | zodd | I would go for both monitoring in general and tracing/debuging/fixing or replacing the faulty software |
| 13:05.49 | ratrace | oxek: which process does it? |
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| 13:06.17 | oxek | ratrace: I found out that somehow tor got installed on this machine |
| 13:06.22 | oxek | will just do a new install |
| 13:06.23 | zodd | reminds me of Windows networks where companies consider it normal to powercycle there NT servers every friday... |
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| 13:06.42 | zodd | *considered |
| 13:06.57 | zodd | *their |
| 13:06.58 | zodd | wow |
| 13:07.02 | humbot | :) |
| 13:08.37 | jak2000 | themill thanks |
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| 13:09.51 | greycat | zodd: I feel "NT servers" falls comfortably under "buggy/leaky" :) |
| 13:10.27 | zodd | lol |
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| 13:12.25 | jim | I'm talking to a guy who says a weird thing happened on a net install of buster... it accessed 163.172.96.222 which looks to some like a tor node |
| 13:12.27 | jak2000 | dude, how to check if crontab file is empty? thanks |
| 13:12.35 | jim | is this normal? |
| 13:13.06 | ratrace | jim: nope and you're the second such report in less than an hour |
| 13:13.09 | jim | jak2000, maybe try editing your crontab (crontab -e) and look at it? |
| 13:13.09 | greycat | jak2000: "crontab -l" as a given user will list that user's crontab. There is also /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d/ and all of the jobs in /etc/cron.daily/ etc. |
| 13:13.29 | jim | oh greycat's is better |
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| 13:14.09 | jim | ratrace, so it's not normal? what nick made the first report? |
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| 13:14.36 | ratrace | it's not, unless some weird new policy is set for netinst.... oxek did. |
| 13:15.02 | jim | ratrace, no, one report... that's the guy I was talking to |
| 13:15.10 | ratrace | ohlol. |
| 13:15.32 | jim | and oxek is here too :) |
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| 13:16.24 | greycat | What did it actually *do* with the IP address 163.172.96.222? A ping? A TCP connection? If so, to what port? Is it still connected, or did it disconnect? |
| 13:16.52 | jim | umm, dunno... the person is here on channel |
| 13:17.13 | jak2000 | jim, greycat understand, but i want programming something if crontabfile is empty then.... |
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| 13:17.26 | greycat | jak2000: why? |
| 13:17.44 | oxek | jim ratrace greycat: ignore my issue, it's just something weird happening, I am reinstalling the machine now anyway |
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| 13:18.56 | jim | for one thing, he says his box directly faces the internet (without a router in the same place as his machine) |
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| 13:19.22 | jim | oxek, that's not just weird though |
| 13:19.45 | greycat | wait and see if it happens again, since they're reinstalling |
| 13:19.50 | jim | however... let's see what happens when you do the reinstall |
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| 13:19.59 | oxek | jim: it's my fault for doing an install on a machine directly connected to internet |
| 13:20.22 | jim | that part -should- work fine though |
| 13:21.08 | jim | the only way it could access tor is if it installs something that opens an access to it |
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| 13:22.28 | jim | maybe if you installed less stuff, like maybe start with just the base and install additional stuff from there |
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| 13:23.03 | jim | anyway I need to leave, you're in good hands |
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| 14:01.29 | pagetelegram | Using Getac lappy with touch screen: touch worked during install of debian, however once installed, doesnt. xinput-calibrator loads tho no touch. Articles on the issue I found are outdated. |
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| 14:05.26 | noccld | hi can I get help to remove a possible threat I stumbled upon? |
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| 14:05.47 | theciaguy | Details? |
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| 14:06.37 | noccld | It was a link in a comment at a youtube video that contained a virus that I am afraid is attacking linux and android at least |
| 14:06.58 | theciaguy | That is exceedingly unlikely. |
| 14:07.27 | noccld | it was posted by a known/self proclaimed blackhat who I don´t remember the entire name of |
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| 14:14.40 | pagetelegram | got touch working. driver here: http://www.eeti.com/drivers_Linux.html |
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| 14:43.44 | chet | so isnt a preeemptive kernel amd64? I am writing a usb and listening to youtube and its skipping like crazy I have never had this computer skip before unless I encoded video on it |
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| 14:45.17 | chet | /mnt/windows10/sources/install.wim' -> '/media/chet/usb/sources/install.wim is making it go crazy |
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| 15:00.02 | pagetelegram | The only system that I found pre-emptive multitasking done well was IBM OS/2 (& Warp). However the applications needed to be written for multi-threading for that. |
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| 15:07.07 | diogenes_ | pagetelegram, haiku is similar afaik. |
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| 15:08.50 | pagetelegram | I used it when it was BeOS. Best Buy sold it for a minute back then, personal edition. Supposedly BeOS was an option for Apple to consider in '99 before settling with Steve Jobs and NeXTStep into OS/X. |
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| 15:09.07 | oiaohm | pagetelegram: Haiku and the BEOS it was cloning was known for doing pre-emptive multitasking insanely well it made it way into some radio station control desks because of it. |
| 15:10.13 | pagetelegram | Wow; I wonder if it would help a station I engineer (que4 radio) we use Windows with Sam Broadcaster....wondering if there is scheduling, rotation and live in software like Sam for BeOS. |
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| 15:13.59 | pagetelegram | bebits no more...redirects to some china site selling OS/X tablets; looks like Apple knock offs. |
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| 15:18.44 | herzlichweise | i dont think you can say that haiku was cloing beos. when the beos project was discontinued the haiku developers tried to launch a project that picks up some of the old ideas paired with a few new ideas |
| 15:19.00 | herzlichweise | s/cloing/cloning/ |
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| 15:22.45 | jelly | chet: linux kernel usb drivers are really bad with some hw that way, there might be tunables to make things better but I don't know of a quick fix |
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| 15:23.52 | pagetelegram | nothing I found puts out to a shoutcast server using BeOS. MuSe for Linux looks good. Next upgrade path away from Windows maybe a good idea at some point for que4. |
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| 15:27.23 | herzlichweise | kinda hard to find something compatible with gcc 2.9x |
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| 15:45.03 | intruder01 | i member beOS, installed it once when I was a kid |
| 15:45.13 | intruder01 | good times |
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| 15:46.00 | intruder01 | didnt know it had anything to do with best buy |
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| 15:47.48 | pagetelegram | 98-01 somewhere in that time frame was sold off the shelf of Best Buy chain for about a 6mo to a year. |
| 15:49.06 | intruder01 | the OS in a box, on a shelf? |
| 15:50.07 | intruder01 | interesting |
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| 15:51.01 | intruder01 | what a minute you're using beos right now as a shoutcast server? |
| 15:51.22 | intruder01 | because it performs better than anything else? |
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| 15:54.22 | pagetelegram | yep, full heavy box (had printed manual) was PE 5.1, last official version. I do not recall if you had to boot it from image or it installed native. |
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| 15:57.49 | pagetelegram | No, using SAM now....would consider it if it improved uptime and stability. TuneTracker Command Center was the BeOS eqv of SAM according to someone in the Haiku channel |
| 15:59.33 | herzlichweise | pagetelegram: you realize that you are on the debian support channel? |
| 15:59.56 | herzlichweise | (on freenode irc) |
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| 16:00.52 | oxek | on https://packages.debian.org/buster/iptables I read "The iptables/xtables framework has been replaced by nftables. You should consider migrating now." |
| 16:01.18 | oxek | can I now do `apt purge iptables` `apt install nftables`? |
| 16:01.43 | oxek | i.e. if I want to use nftables, will removing iptables break anything? |
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| 16:02.13 | pagetelegram | I was taking liberties on the tangent. I'll reframe from anymore meandering on this. Although this discussion is pointing me in the direction of finding a SAM alternative for Linux for our upgrade path from Win7 to deb. |
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| 16:07.40 | oxek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:07.55 | oxek | but my fresh installation contains the iptables package and does not contain the nftables package |
| 16:07.57 | oxek | how come? |
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| 16:08.40 | somiaj | ,i iptables |
| 16:08.41 | judd | Package iptables (net, important) in buster/amd64: administration tools for packet filtering and NAT. Version: 1.8.2-4; Size: 389.6k; Installed: 2569k; Homepage: http://www.netfilter.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/iptables |
| 16:08.55 | somiaj | oxek: how did you do the fresh install? |
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| 16:09.16 | oxek | somiaj: netinstall, standard system utilities selected |
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| 16:11.29 | oxek | somiaj: this is the list of installed packages by default https://paste.debian.net/hidden/bb5cb8b7/ |
| 16:11.29 | somiaj | hmm, not sure, but on my buster machine it appears iptables is important and recommends nftables, which is optional. |
| 16:12.02 | somiaj | are you sure you don't have both installed? On my machine (the upgrade from stretch to buster), nftables was pulled in because of the recommended depends |
| 16:12.27 | oxek | somiaj: you can see my list of installed packages in the paste above |
| 16:12.37 | somiaj | anyways, not sure what is going on there. I would just install nftables |
| 16:12.44 | oxek | this is straight after install `apt list --installed > list.txt` |
| 16:13.12 | somiaj | They both work in debian, so no reason you can't use either. I know the push is to move to using nftables, but not quite sure why a fresh install isn't following this push. |
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| 16:13.36 | oxek | so I can safely do `apt purge iptables` if I am using nftables? |
| 16:13.45 | oxek | i.e. there's no hidden interaction between them? |
| 16:13.54 | somiaj | But still iptables is important and nftables is optional. Also unsure why the installer isn't pulling in nftables as a recommeded package. |
| 16:14.27 | somiaj | oxek: Since iptables is just userland stuff (the kernel is where it matters) it should be fine. Though you could also just keep both installed, and just use nftables. |
| 16:14.44 | somiaj | I don't know enough to say for certain if there will be any problem, but from my understanding there shouldn't be. |
| 16:15.15 | somiaj | (note there are still somethings that can only be done in iptables and not nftables -- I forget the details on what they are, and they are mostly edge cases) |
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| 16:15.51 | somiaj | oxek: but I agree with your confusion, as I'm unsure why the installer isn't installing nftables along side of iptables (my installs all have both, but they are upgrades) |
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| 16:26.13 | oxek | looks like the wiki is wrong |
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| 16:27.38 | hk239 | hmm any ideas how to get HP Laserjet MFP M28a model printer to work on debian buster? |
| 16:27.43 | jelly | somiaj: there are two implementations of iptables userspace right now, one a wrapper with a nftables backend, the other uses old iptables kernel functionality |
| 16:28.09 | jelly | ,whatprovides iptables |
| 16:28.21 | judd | In buster/amd64, iptables is a real package. |
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| 16:28.50 | somiaj | is that the iptables-nftables-compat packakge? |
| 16:28.57 | somiaj | ,i iptables-nftables-compat |
| 16:28.58 | judd | No package named 'iptables-nftables-compat' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 16:29.34 | jelly | both are in iptables package in buster, managed via alternatives |
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| 16:30.16 | somiaj | ahh stretch must have had the iptables-nftables-compat which was replaced by iptables in buster |
| 16:31.43 | jelly | ,v iptables-nftables-compat |
| 16:31.44 | judd | Package: iptables-nftables-compat on amd64 -- stretch: 1.6.0+snapshot20161117-6; stretch-backports: 1.6.2-1.1~bpo9+1 |
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| 16:48.13 | litb | hello all |
| 16:48.23 | litb | i'm trying to apt-get install libnss-winbind-dbgsym |
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| 16:48.30 | litb | but libnss-winbind-dbgsym : Depends: libnss-winbind (= 2:4.9.5+dfsg-5) but 2:4.9.5+dfsg-5+deb10u1 is to be installed |
| 16:48.35 | litb | am I doing something wrong? |
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| 16:48.51 | litb | or is the dbgsym repository of debian out of date? it's been like that for a week now |
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| 16:49.59 | greycat | I don't really know how it works, but maybe the -debug repository doesn't include -security updates. |
| 16:50.45 | jelly | last I heard the packages are generated but not exposed anywhere to the public |
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| 16:51.08 | litb | I have the buster-updates repository enabled. is that the reason? |
| 16:51.28 | litb | those are, as far as I understand, things that go beyond security updates. maybe dbgsym don't include those? |
| 16:51.52 | greycat | judd tells me "buster: 2:4.9.5+dfsg-5; buster-security: 2:4.9.5+dfsg-5+deb10u1" |
| 16:52.00 | jelly | ,v libnss-winbind |
| 16:52.01 | judd | Package: libnss-winbind on amd64 -- jessie: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u9; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u13; stretch: 2:4.5.16+dfsg-1+deb9u2; stretch-security: 2:4.5.16+dfsg-1+deb9u2; buster: 2:4.9.5+dfsg-5; buster-security: 2:4.9.5+dfsg-5+deb10u1; bullseye: 2:4.11.0+dfsg-10; sid: 2:4.11.0+dfsg-11 |
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| 16:52.59 | jelly | judd: bug 894081 |
| 16:53.00 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/894081 in ftp.debian.org (open): «security.debian.org: please publish dbgsym packages»; severity: normal; opened: 2018-03-26; last modified: 2018-05-17. |
| 16:54.16 | litb | jelly, hmm I did list proposed-updates-debug but it still didn't work |
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| 16:54.37 | litb | deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-debug/ buster-proposed-updates-debug main contrib non-free |
| 16:54.40 | greycat | it's not in proposed-updates. it's in security. |
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| 16:57.51 | jelly | litb: if the package version is not in buster-proposed-updates there won't be a match in -debug |
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| 16:58.50 | greycat | As far as I know, at this point, your choices are to live without it, wait for the next point release, or build it from source. |
| 16:59.08 | shibboleth | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-14287 |
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| 16:59.28 | shibboleth | and it's not like anyone must've known about this for years, eh? |
| 16:59.39 | litb | i need a backtrace for a function in it, because for us, often when we open a terminal, we get an "I have no name" from bash |
| 16:59.45 | jelly | litb: #debian-security say they have higher priority stuff to do. Perhaps you can downgrade temporarily, or on a test system, and see if the same issue you need dbgsym for can be reproduced there? |
| 16:59.49 | litb | our users come from the network, using samba |
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| 17:03.36 | jelly | shibboleth: there hasn't been a horrible bug in sudo in years, it was about time! |
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| 17:06.19 | herzlichweise | !debug |
| 17:06.19 | dpkg | DeBuggers $1 |
| 17:06.42 | shibboleth | well, if you don't believe various ppl/orgs haven't known about this for years you're naive |
| 17:06.48 | shibboleth | no offense |
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| 17:07.10 | herzlichweise | i would believe them if the pay is well |
| 17:07.12 | greycat | !factinfo debug |
| 17:07.12 | dpkg | debug -- created by mentor <~matthew@195.10.122.2> at Mon Sep 23 20:03:45 2002 (6229 days); it has been requested 69 times, last by herzlichweise, 53s ago. |
| 17:07.41 | greycat | that is a really old, really broken, really lame factoid :( |
| 17:07.56 | jelly | shibboleth: but honestly, where do you have a (ALL, !root) allowed |
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| 17:18.07 | herzlichweise | is there a way to get the factoid db without annoying Don? |
| 17:18.32 | herzlichweise | the old location at his uni is not available anymore |
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| 17:18.37 | greycat | !factoids |
| 17:18.37 | dpkg | You can search my database on the web at http://ircbots.debian.net/ or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at https://dpkg.donarmstrong.com/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>. |
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| 17:19.07 | herzlichweise | new, cool. thanks greycat :) |
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| 17:21.43 | Phruis | how can i enable remote mysql login |
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| 17:25.31 | greycat | Looks like you want to alter the bind-address setting in /etc/mysql/mariadb.conf.d/50-server.cnf |
| 17:25.57 | phogg | Phruis: mysql needs to be listening on a public interface and your firewall rules need to allow external connections and your mysql users table needs to permit the user to connect remotely |
| 17:26.26 | Phruis | thanks |
| 17:27.12 | theciaguy | Phruis: Please make sure your passwords for those users are good ones. |
| 17:27.33 | Phruis | theciaguy, its just for testing |
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| 17:27.39 | theciaguy | Doesn't matter. |
| 17:27.45 | Phruis | only locally on a vm |
| 17:27.49 | theciaguy | Oh, okay. |
| 17:27.58 | Phruis | :D |
| 17:28.20 | theciaguy | I live in a world of "oh, look, another compromised internet-accessible database." |
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| 17:29.05 | somiaj | litb: I think security packages don't always get generated for some reason, you may have to wait for a point release or build the package yourself. |
| 17:29.20 | litb | thanks folks |
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| 17:42.09 | churnd | i need to replace the contents of a file in each existing users' homedir |
| 17:42.21 | greycat | replace with what? |
| 17:42.47 | victorqueiroz | Can you install Debian from the command-line? I've been using Arch Linux for sometime now but I want something more stable so I'm going back to Debian but I want to install it from the command-line :) |
| 17:42.47 | greycat | and, if a home dir *doesn't* have this file, do you want to copy your replacement content in anyway? |
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| 17:43.02 | greycat | victorqueiroz: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 17:43.18 | churnd | sorry, i meant to ask in #ansible |
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| 17:48.14 | victorqueiroz | greycat: Not exactly what I want. I want to install it on my computer but from command-line |
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| 17:48.59 | greycat | that's what debootstrap *is*. installing Debian from a different Linux's command line. |
| 17:50.22 | victorqueiroz | greycat: oh, thanks. looking into it. would you know if Debian 10 netinst comes with it? |
| 17:51.12 | greycat | ... no. It's a completely separate installation method from netinst. |
| 17:52.04 | oxek | somiaj: FYI https://ral-arturo.org/2019/10/14/debian-netfilter.html |
| 17:52.12 | jelly | victorqueiroz: you can theoretically just download the tarball on any running linux and use it |
| 17:52.49 | victorqueiroz | jelly: unfortunately I need a separate environment since I'm running Arch Linux right now. So I'd have to build an USB stick from scratch with boot to be able to use it? |
| 17:53.11 | jelly | victorqueiroz: Arch Linux is a subset of "any running Linux" |
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| 17:53.29 | jelly | it's a command line tool. |
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| 17:54.03 | victorqueiroz | jelly: I need to format / and /efi to install a new Linux system. How should I do that if I'm running it? |
| 17:54.17 | greycat | You install into a new root partition. |
| 17:54.49 | greycat | For someone who wanted a manual, command-line installation, you seem not to be grasping the basics. |
| 17:54.55 | jelly | victorqueiroz: I don't know how many disk devices you have, whether you need to overwrite the current Linux or can use free space somewhere. |
| 17:55.45 | victorqueiroz | jelly: I only have the partitions I'm using on the current running Linux system. I thought I could do installation through debootstrap using the expert session of Debian installer |
| 17:56.22 | greycat | If you boot a Debian installer image, you are not using debootstrap. You are using the Debian install (d-i). |
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| 18:00.56 | victorqueiroz | So I think the first step is create a live ISO with a Linux system and include debootstrap in it |
| 18:01.11 | victorqueiroz | Sounds fun to me |
| 18:01.27 | greycat | You are making this harder than it is. You either using the netinst, which has a curses-based interface, or you use debootstrap from your existing Arch Linux. |
| 18:01.59 | greycat | Just pick one. Do not try to invento your hybrid mash-up of the two. |
| 18:02.21 | greycat | glares at the words that are not coming out of his fingers the way his brain told them to |
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| 18:05.43 | bluejaypop | I'm trying to generate a custom ISO with couple of packages and some code already pre-installed but I have a doubt, I'm following this guideline http://dpaste.com/2PB4VCA.txt but I don't need graphics, will be for a server. Is it possible to install the net-install ISO to do this ? |
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| 18:06.37 | centrix | On buster the openvpn command connects me, but fails to update the /etc/resolv.conf file. Any hints, please? Thank you. |
| 18:06.41 | victorqueiroz | greycat: My way seems more fun than yours |
| 18:06.48 | victorqueiroz | greycat: JK, thank you very much |
| 18:07.07 | victorqueiroz | Are you guys still in war with systemd? |
| 18:07.13 | greycat | If you insist on it, you could boot a Live Debian image, and then run debootstrap from that. But not realistically from the d-i. |
| 18:07.25 | centrix | Well, fails. So far I have not notice any failure. Rather it looks to me as if it did not update it at all. |
| 18:07.29 | greycat | The shell you get in d-i is just too minimal. |
| 18:08.06 | victorqueiroz | greycat: So I should be able to install the whole base system using just debootstrap? |
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| 18:09.20 | victorqueiroz | If I install it on my pendrive, should I be able to boot it? |
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| 18:12.18 | jelly | victorqueiroz: read the install guide. debootstrap just installs a base system in a directory, setting up partitions, filesystems, fstab and bootloader are other steps to consider. |
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| 18:13.10 | jelly | and I've probably forgotten something |
| 18:13.31 | jelly | like installing a kernel package |
| 18:14.20 | victorqueiroz | Ok, I'm trying to do it on my pendrive. it's very slow for some reason. |
| 18:14.28 | victorqueiroz | stupid flash memory |
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| 18:15.12 | jelly | most usb drives are made with cheap flash and not really for an ext4 filesystem and lots of tiny random writes |
| 18:16.09 | victorqueiroz | You're a very wise man. that makes sense |
| 18:18.57 | jelly | not wise, just somewhat experienced in killing usb sticks |
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| 18:20.23 | victorqueiroz | LOL |
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| 18:21.31 | PsychoTron | is this official channel? |
| 18:21.40 | victorqueiroz | PsychoTron: Yes |
| 18:21.47 | oxek | isn't the official one on oftc? |
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| 18:25.28 | fury | so uhh... i just typed sync and hit enter, and now it's locked up apparently doing nothing. how can i tell what's causing it to hang? |
| 18:25.45 | fury | ctrl+c and ctrl+z are unsuccessful |
| 18:26.34 | uio | Sometimes when I try to shut down my laptop, it shows the the normal logoff commands and then poweroff and shutsdown. Other times it hangs at _ and doesn't do anything for a while but eventually shuts down. What is going on in the second case? |
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| 18:36.17 | SerajewelKS | uio: you'd have to check the logs. possibly waiting for the network to deconfigure, for example. |
| 18:37.25 | uio | SerajewelKS, Ah. Okay. |
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| 18:41.45 | victorqueiroz | Finally installing APT |
| 18:42.01 | victorqueiroz | So how's Debian buster stability? |
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| 18:43.44 | uio | victorqueiroz, I had a few issues in 10.0, but things are fine for me now. You upgrading from 9? |
| 18:44.03 | somiaj | oxek: oh good, you found some more infomation on this. |
| 18:44.39 | oxek | somiaj: that info was released after I asked this question :D |
| 18:45.19 | greycat | fury: it's trying to flush data to a device. Maybe dmesg will contain errors telling you which device is having issues, or maybe it'll be obvious by blinking lights or knowledge of what remote network file systems are mounted. |
| 18:45.40 | somiaj | oxek: yea, it looks like it is still a work in progress to migrate and make nftables default. |
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| 18:45.49 | victorqueiroz | uio: I'm actually coming from Arch Linux > Debian 10 (after a few years of only Debian use I've been using Arch Linux for a few months now). Now I'm experiencing some bugs on Vulkan (which I'm currently using to develop games) so I'm looking for something more stable. |
| 18:45.55 | somiaj | oxek: though it should be easy enough to use either once one knows what debian is doing. |
| 18:46.23 | victorqueiroz | uio: I'm creating a live USB stick with my bare hands as a member from this channel (greycat) strongly advised me to |
| 18:46.52 | uio | victorqueiroz, Someone might correct me, but I think that the latest 9 is more stable than 10.1... |
| 18:47.15 | victorqueiroz | Is that so? :( |
| 18:47.20 | greycat | You're putting words in my mouth. I offered that as a THIRD option, a compromise, because you refused the two SANE, NORMAL options because they weren't "fun" enough. |
| 18:47.41 | uio | greycat, Got here late, what were the first two options? |
| 18:47.59 | greycat | 1) Install using the normal netinst (d-i) installer. 2) Install using debootstrap from his existing Arch Linux system. |
| 18:48.06 | victorqueiroz | uio: JK, greycat strongly advised me not to, but I'm looking for some fun now |
| 18:48.33 | uio | victorqueiroz, I guess you've kept the Arch flair for breaking things, lol. |
| 18:48.35 | somiaj | victorqueiroz: if you use the netinstall, and don't select any additional packages at the end (so deselect desktop and standard) you get a minimial debian install. This is basically the same thing you get with debootstrap. If you don't already have a live image or another linux install, I would use that over debootstrap. |
| 18:48.44 | fury | greycat: nothing obvious showing up in dmesg or journalctl...there is an iscsi drive mounted which i've got mounted on two different computers, seeing two different things (on the other one, i've deleted a file and uploaded a new one, on the other one, the one i'm syncing, these changes have not been reflected yet) |
| 18:48.55 | somiaj | victorqueiroz: I personally recommended select 'standard' as the only thing at the end, this is still very minimial, and you can install only what you want after. |
| 18:49.00 | fury | it is a kubernetes master node as well, so there's all sorts of black magic black boxery going on |
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| 18:49.15 | uio | 9.11 is more stable than 10.1, right? |
| 18:49.39 | greycat | fury: well, it sounds very much like you're having trouble syncing info to that iscsi device, then |
| 18:49.42 | uio | fury, 'boxery' is the word of the day. |
| 18:49.58 | victorqueiroz | greycat: Are you really Greg Wooledge? |
| 18:50.00 | fury | :D |
| 18:50.12 | fury | the weird thing is that the one wehre i've made the changes to that iscsi drive, `sync` worked just fine |
| 18:50.19 | greycat | that's what my driver's license says |
| 18:50.31 | victorqueiroz | nice to meet you, I'm a big fan |
| 18:51.02 | annadane | 9.11 is not 'more stable'. except for the x.0 releases where some bugs MAY be ironed out that weren't caught the first time, the point releases don't really "improve stability" |
| 18:51.22 | somiaj | uio: according to debian, no. Though often the longer a release is out, the more people get use to it, which makes it feel more stable. |
| 18:51.36 | fury | It is also part of a rook ceph cluster which means some rbd stuff going on |
| 18:51.38 | somiaj | uio: also debian will provdie some bug fixes for grave issues that crop up since it was released. |
| 18:51.38 | annadane | also, 10 has cool new stuff and if you've been waiting 2 years for a new stable, may as well upgrade unless you have a reason not to |
| 18:52.00 | uio | somiaj, Interesting. I thought I was told here that |
| 18:52.12 | uio | 9.10 was more stable than 10.0... |
| 18:52.41 | somiaj | uio: some people prefer to wait for a few point releases before upgrading so most issues become known, not because it is less stable |
| 18:52.53 | somiaj | debian provides security support to oldstable for a year for this reason. |
| 18:53.00 | uio | somiaj, Definitions: what do you mean by 'stable'? |
| 18:53.08 | somiaj | (LTS provides support even longer, for those who don't have a reason to upgrade) |
| 18:53.38 | somiaj | uio: In debian stable means a frozen release in which all known rc-bugs are dealt with. From that point on, it will get security fixes and some rc-bug fixes for rc-bugs found after the release. |
| 18:53.48 | somiaj | well mostly stable |
| 18:54.14 | uio | somiaj, But 10.0 had more issues than 9.10, no? |
| 18:54.18 | annadane | some people mean 'stable' as in not breaking/crashing and others mean it as unchanging |
| 18:54.29 | uio | or 'bugs', rather? |
| 18:54.36 | uio | annadane, Ah. |
| 18:54.43 | annadane | 10.0 being the first new major release may have issues but i think most users can upgrade to it safely (though of course we're now on 10.1) |
| 18:54.43 | ws2k3 | how can i start apache2 in debug mode? when i run apache2 -X i get Invalid Mutex directory in argument file:${APACHE_LOCK_DIR} |
| 18:54.58 | somiaj | uio: depends on what you call issues. At the release 10.0 has baically 0 rc-bugs and 9.10 had hunderes or rc-bugs |
| 18:55.12 | somiaj | Note it doens't mean 10.0 didn't have rc-bugs, they just were not found at the time |
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| 18:55.14 | uio | somiaj, Sorry, what's an rc-bug? |
| 18:55.40 | somiaj | a relase critical bug, or a bug that is considered sever enough debian consider the bug a game stoper for a release (packages will be removed if rc-bugs aren't fixed for isntance) |
| 18:55.43 | greycat | release critical |
| 18:55.44 | uio | Personally upgrading to 10.0 from 9.10 broke sound for me (the timidity issue). |
| 18:55.49 | uio | greycat, Thanks. |
| 18:55.56 | uio | somiaj, Cool. |
| 18:56.07 | uio | Interesting. |
| 18:56.09 | uio | Cool. |
| 18:56.26 | uio | So, you'd recommend 10.1 over 9.11 to anyone installing Debian? |
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| 18:56.44 | uio | I'll be doing this soon on another machine. |
| 18:57.03 | greycat | Yes, you should use the latest stable release, unless you have a VERY specific reason to use an older release. |
| 18:57.19 | annadane | packages to unstable -> testing -> stable anyway over a course of a year and a half, then freeze, 6 months or so of bug hunting, then it releases... so while some may wish to not use the first release of a new major version a lot of the kinks have been ironed out anyway |
| 18:57.24 | annadane | packages go* |
| 18:57.27 | greycat | Like, "my CPU is a Pentium, can't run the buster kernel" -- that would be a reason. |
| 18:57.29 | somiaj | It really depends on your use case. But in general I always recommend the latest stable release unless someone has a specifc use case (like version of php they need) |
| 18:58.05 | somiaj | your feeling or incorrect concept that 10.0 isn't as stable as 9.11 isn't to me a good reason, they are both as stable (though each will have different issues/things to deal with) |
| 18:58.10 | SerajewelKS | somiaj: and even then, there's sury |
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| 18:58.43 | uio | Alright. I recall regretting the 9.10 to 10.0 upgrade, but since then and few hours solving issues, things have been quite good. And now I'm on 10.1 with no major issues. Thanks for the insight and info. |
| 18:58.45 | ws2k3 | how can i start apache2 in debug mode? when i run apache2 -X i get Invalid Mutex directory in argument file:${APACHE_LOCK_DIR} |
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| 19:00.29 | uio | I asked this in ##networking, but maybe you people will have more input: Hi friends. Just got my Huawei LTE wingle and I have a few questions. I don't yet have a SIM with data and so can't test. Can I plug it into a wall usb charger and use it? Or do I have to plug it into the laptop? I'm on Buster. Thanks! |
| 19:00.48 | victorqueiroz | A Pentium can't run buster kernel? OMG |
| 19:01.04 | victorqueiroz | I have some weird dreams about installing Debian on very old computers :( |
| 19:01.38 | herzlichweise | victorqueiroz: i would try it :) |
| 19:02.00 | greycat | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.en.html#idm272 |
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| 19:02.48 | herzlichweise | oh :( |
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| 19:04.11 | uio | Have you replaced your BIOS with something gnuy? |
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| 19:06.00 | ws2k3 | how can i start apache2 in debug mode? when i run apache2 -X i get Invalid Mutex directory in argument file:${APACHE_LOCK_DIR} i already checked all the logs. also from php. but i just cant find why apache2 is instandly returning a 500 |
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| 19:06.14 | linuxwerker | ? I have a new buster system that I am getting the broken packages message" |
| 19:06.27 | linuxwerker | However I have not been able to find the issue |
| 19:08.03 | linuxwerker | pastebin.com/thXgGc2D |
| 19:08.03 | linuxwerker | Open in Pastebin Manager: pastebinmanager://pasteview?key=thXgGc2D |
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| 19:09.17 | zalt | nil amsg |
| 19:09.21 | towo` | linuxwerker, you have 3rd party repos enabled? |
| 19:09.38 | somiaj | SerajewelKS: yea, nice to have a decent php repo out there for debian, as that was a problem for way to long. |
| 19:10.05 | jelly | !bat |
| 19:10.05 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 19:10.15 | jelly | linuxwerker: that's for you ^ |
| 19:10.38 | mason | jelly: Why is that one called "bat?" |
| 19:10.43 | mason | Cluebat? |
| 19:10.48 | jelly | basic apt troubleshooting |
| 19:10.52 | mason | Ah, ah. |
| 19:11.00 | zalt | sorry, amsg'd without knowing what it does! |
| 19:11.13 | greycat | !literal bat |
| 19:11.13 | dpkg | "bat" is "<reply> see basic apt-get troubleshooting" |
| 19:11.21 | jelly | bot has symlinks! |
| 19:11.25 | mason | Oh, didn't know it did that. Nifty. |
| 19:11.38 | mutante | ah, i thought we are now rewarding support here with BAT (Basic Attention Token) :) |
| 19:11.57 | jelly | !comfort mutante |
| 19:11.57 | dpkg | There, there, mutante. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 19:12.10 | mutante | hehe |
| 19:12.52 | jelly | dpkg, tell linuxwerker -about bat |
| 19:13.32 | mason | Is there no terser syntax than that? |
| 19:13.35 | mason | !bat mason |
| 19:14.02 | jelly | mason: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 19:14.37 | mason | jelly: That didn't work. (As is, I know I can do that, but it's surprising there's not a terser syntax to message someone else a factoid.) |
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| 19:15.29 | greycat | People would abuse it, using the bot as a force multiplier to harass a third party in /msg. |
| 19:15.45 | mason | I'd assume it'd have some rate limiting. |
| 19:15.54 | jelly | I suppose our volunteers prefer typing "tell" and "about" as opposed to > which often requires usage of the SHIFT KEY |
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| 19:16.20 | jelly | also, not annoying enough to fix |
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| 19:20.17 | linuxwerker | jelly pastebin.com/fQhXRdgj |
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| 19:21.00 | linuxwerker | thabk you |
| 19:21.29 | annadane | "attempting to exit vim" |
| 19:22.28 | jelly | linuxwerker: those instructions are terse and the first step is meant to say you should run the actual command you're having problems with a second time, and then show both the command line and the full output. |
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| 19:24.09 | linuxwerker | ok |
| 19:24.26 | jelly | "apt-get/apt/aptitude run" is not a literal command, but an instruction for the reader that means the above thing. apt-get, apt and aptitude are all commands with similar functionality (for the purposes of installation) |
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| 19:25.21 | jelly | likewise in step 2 you're supposed to replace pkg1 pkg2 ... with actual package names mentioned in output of step 1 |
| 19:25.51 | jelly | only step 3 is a literal, complete command to run |
| 19:26.12 | jelly | linuxwerker: please put all steps into a single pastebin entry if you can |
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| 19:30.20 | linuxwerker | jelly thanks shortly |
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| 19:34.10 | jhutchins_wk | Anybody know what process starts the percona monitoring agent (pmm-client)? |
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| 19:34.51 | centrix | I installed openjdk 11 from an apt repository (/usr/lib/jvm/java-11-openjdk-amd64), but sqldeveloper still complains about the JVM not being the JDK. Please help (Deb 10.1). Thank you. |
| 19:35.39 | centrix | product.conf: SetJavaHome /usr/lib/jvm/java-11-openjdk-amd64 |
| 19:35.45 | centrix | Still complaining. |
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| 19:40.12 | linuxwerker | Thank you jelly I have some how resolved my issue |
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| 19:46.05 | mason | jhutchins_wk: https://www.percona.com/doc/percona-monitoring-and-management/deploy/index.html#deploy-pmm-client-installing |
| 19:46.46 | mason | jhutchins_wk: That includes links to the client package, which ought to shed light on the matter. |
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| 19:54.26 | jelly | ,v openjdk-11-jdk |
| 19:54.27 | judd | Package: openjdk-11-jdk on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 11.0.4+11-1~bpo9+1; buster: 11.0.4+11-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 11.0.4+11-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 11.0.5+9-1; sid: 11.0.5+9-1 |
| 19:54.55 | jelly | centrix: did you install the one from debian itself, or some other thing? |
| 19:55.27 | centrix | jelly, the one what? Openjdk or sqldeveloper? |
| 19:55.45 | jelly | openjdk. sqldeveloper is not open source AFAIK. |
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| 19:57.21 | centrix | jelly, yes. ii openjdk-11-jdk:amd64 11.0.4+11-1~deb10u1 amd64 OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK) |
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| 19:58.01 | jelly | centrix: okay, and which version of sqldeveloper do you have? |
| 19:59.19 | centrix | jelly, 4.1.5. It runs OK on CentOS 7.xxx = latest. |
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| 20:00.58 | centrix | jelly, on CentOS there is: SetJavaHome /etc/alternatives/java_sdk_1.8.0_openjdk in my products.conf |
| 20:01.53 | centrix | and it runs fine |
| 20:02.12 | jelly | centrix: did you install/unpack from zip or alienize the rpm download and install that? |
| 20:02.13 | somiaj | by still complaining, what is the error it gives? |
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| 20:02.39 | jelly | centrix: but that's 8 and this is 11 |
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| 20:04.12 | centrix | jelly, somiaj Yes. I know. 1. I am just indicating that I follow the same step on Debian as I did on CentOS. 2. alienized 3. dpkg -i alienized_package.deb |
| 20:05.14 | centrix | somiaj, Error: Java home /usr/lib/jvm/java-11-openjdk-amd64/bin/java is not a JDK. |
| 20:06.23 | somiaj | hmm, wonder if it is an issue as jelly pointed out, of jdk-11 vs jdk-8, maybe the check it is doing isn't compadable with 11 |
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| 20:06.52 | centrix | jelly, somiaj "/usr/lib/jvm/java-11-openjdk-amd64/bin/java -version" => openjdk version "11.0.4" 2019-07-16 |
| 20:07.21 | jelly | of course, it will say that even when you have just the jre bits installed |
| 20:07.30 | mtcdood | does anyone understand why I can't take a process, pipe its output to fold or par, and pipe that output? |
| 20:07.43 | annadane | i'm assuming i'm just missing the point but maybe centrix can try installing openjdk from the debian repositories? it doesn't seem like they did, maybe that's causing an issue... |
| 20:07.47 | mtcdood | fold and par both write no output |
| 20:07.59 | somiaj | mtcdood: what do you mean by pipe to fold or par, you want to split the stream? Or just use either one of those tools? |
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| 20:08.03 | mtcdood | if the input is continous newlines |
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| 20:08.15 | somiaj | add so the issue is the output fold produces. |
| 20:08.33 | mutante | centrix: try installing JDK 11 from APT instead of direct dpkg -i of alienized package? |
| 20:08.43 | greycat | You can definitely pipe the output of fold. E.g. yourcommand | fold | less |
| 20:08.47 | mtcdood | yeah the log file is growing, and fold and par work fine |
| 20:08.49 | jelly | annadane: it does seem like they did. |
| 20:08.54 | greycat | ... the log file. |
| 20:09.03 | mtcdood | but the minute I ask it to write that to a file, tee, whatever I just get no output |
| 20:09.10 | annadane | yeah, it does have deb and the version number from judd... |
| 20:09.18 | centrix | annadane, apt insall openjdk-11-jdk is what I did. |
| 20:09.18 | greycat | mtcdood: https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/009 |
| 20:09.23 | greycat | That's my guess. |
| 20:09.29 | mtcdood | same |
| 20:09.34 | mtcdood | not sure how to address that though |
| 20:09.35 | jelly | annadane: and also they showed the line from dpkg -l |
| 20:09.49 | annadane | okay. |
| 20:10.09 | centrix | mutante, sqldeveloper.rpm was alienized. Not openjdk. |
| 20:10.22 | mtcdood | alternatively if anyone knows how to use sed or awk to wrap lines at X characters preferring whitespace I'd do it, I just can't find any information on doing that |
| 20:10.23 | jelly | centrix: i wonder if the alienized package is expecting something in a rpm-y place |
| 20:10.27 | mutante | centrix: sorry, ignore my comment without reading enough backlog |
| 20:10.39 | centrix | no problem. |
| 20:10.47 | annadane | ^ same apology |
| 20:10.56 | centrix | same no problem :) |
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| 20:11.39 | centrix | jelly, the "adaptation" went with no bark |
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| 20:11.54 | centrix | alien got on board |
| 20:11.56 | jelly | centrix: is there any difference if you export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-11-openjdk-i386 and run sqldeveloper from that shell? |
| 20:12.09 | centrix | let me test... |
| 20:12.10 | jelly | erm. Don't mind my 32bit java. |
| 20:12.15 | centrix | sure |
| 20:12.27 | jelly | yours is still -amd64 |
| 20:12.42 | mtcdood | `command | stdbuf -oL fold` seems to work |
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| 20:14.14 | centrix | jelly, Nope. Type the full pathname of a JDK installation (or Ctrl-C to quit)............. |
| 20:14.15 | greycat | The hint was when you talked about a log file. That implies infinity. A command that doesn't TERMINATE. Which leads to the buffering. |
| 20:14.52 | greycat | When you write shit like "command" with no context, we have very little clue what the actual problem is. If you had written "tail -F logfile | fold | less", that would have been a whole lot simpler to puzzle out. |
| 20:15.02 | somiaj | centrix: you could try installing openjdk-8, see if that is the problem, though you'll have to do this locally since buster dosen't have 8. |
| 20:15.16 | jelly | ,v openjdk-8-jdk |
| 20:15.18 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jdk on amd64 -- stretch: 8u222-b10-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 8u222-b10-1~deb9u1; sid: 8u232-b07-2 |
| 20:15.32 | jelly | somiaj: except there's no openjdk-8 for buster |
| 20:15.39 | annadane | which he said |
| 20:15.40 | somiaj | centrix: you could also quickly make a stretch chroot, and see if using openjdk-8 in a stretch chroot works, this will at least let you know if the problem is something with comadablity with debian vs the openjdk version |
| 20:16.05 | somiaj | jelly: "though you'll have to do this locally since buster dosen't have 8." |
| 20:16.49 | jelly | sorry, my parser fails on that |
| 20:17.22 | centrix | Nope no openjdk-8 for buster |
| 20:18.05 | centrix | I could also download a separate jdk bundle of 8 off of Oracle or some other place. |
| 20:18.21 | somiaj | centrix: correct, you can download it from oracle and install it in /opt, or use debootstrap for a stretch chroot. Here I am just suggesting this as a debuging issue, to see if it is a compadablity with debian issue, or an openjdk version issue. |
| 20:18.56 | jelly | centrix: you could also try a newer sqldeveloper |
| 20:19.57 | centrix | jelly, I want to, but I have to wait for our company unified access to come .. and all such cra..p |
| 20:23.24 | jelly | centrix: my zip of sqldeveloper 4.1.5.27.28 also say this after the failed check: |
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| 20:23.26 | jelly | If this Java VM is actually a full JDK installation, add |
| 20:23.26 | jelly | 'SetSkipJ2SDKCheck true' to one of the following files. |
| 20:23.45 | jhutchins_wk | Oracle probably has RPMs. |
| 20:23.56 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.11 | jhutchins_wk | Er, which would do no good, sorry, multitasking. |
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| 20:24.46 | jelly | centrix: and starting after that.... -Xbootclasspath/p is no longer a supported option. # |
| 20:25.18 | jelly | centrix: so I'm guessing that old sqldeveloper may have never been supposed to run with that new a jdk |
| 20:26.01 | centrix | jelly, 1. reply: I got exactly that before I joined this channel. |
| 20:26.45 | somiaj | centrix: maybe bring up a stretch vm or machine for this then. |
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| 20:27.52 | jelly | or add stretch repos to this buster installation and see if installing openjdk-8-jdk break anything |
| 20:28.01 | centrix | somiaj, Buster is a VM. |
| 20:28.08 | centrix | My buster :) |
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| 20:28.22 | jelly | and you can only ever have one vm? |
| 20:28.35 | centrix | Sure not :) |
| 20:28.42 | greycat | vmonogamous |
| 20:28.46 | centrix | I may install Deb 9 |
| 20:29.14 | jelly | or a newer sqkdeveloper... |
| 20:29.33 | centrix | I guess so. There is no hurry. |
| 20:29.39 | jelly | can't Enqlish |
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| 20:30.48 | centrix | jelly, somiaj Thanks. Ciao. |
| 20:31.57 | jelly | env JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-11-openjdk-i386 ./sqldeveloper.sh # worked right away with sqldeveloper from 2019 and not 2016 |
| 20:32.10 | jelly | not that they're going to find out! |
| 20:34.03 | jelly | notes java apps still have problems with concepts like "font antialiasing" |
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| 20:36.18 | somiaj | at least you figured out the issue |
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| 20:38.59 | jelly | could have left it at [22:02] <jelly> centrix: but that's 8 and this is 11 |
| 20:39.57 | somiaj | maybe they are spolied with programs that have really good backwards compadability, though java has never seem to be one of those |
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| 21:10.45 | tdn | When I have installed OpenVPN with apt install openvpn in Debian 9, it automatically starts two of the server configs I have defined, but not the third one. I can start the third one manually, however. Where is it defined which server configs that openvpn should start on start up? I guess this is a systemd thing? |
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| 21:22.38 | karlpinc | tdn: Check /etc/default/openvpn |
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| 21:23.18 | karlpinc | !tell tdn about readme.debian |
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| 21:26.57 | secretpow | Hi, is there any way to make apt/dpkg remember "why" I installed a certain package? Like when I'm trying to compile some "foo" program which depends on libbar, and I install libbar-dev, it would only tell me that I installed libbar-dev manually. Is there a way to tell it that I needed libbar-dev for foo? (e.g. in aptitude why or similar) |
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| 21:27.52 | somiaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.53 | karlpinc | secretpow: Not that I know. The usual approach to that problem is to use debootstrap and do all your builds in a chroot that you delete. |
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| 21:28.13 | somiaj | secretpow: if you build debian packages, you can ask 'what package do I have installed that depends on foo', with aptitude searrch |
| 21:28.29 | somiaj | but if you do local installs, you'll have to keep notes |
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| 21:29.27 | karlpinc | secretpow: There's always: aptitude search '~i-dev' |
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| 21:32.12 | secretpow | The -dev thing was just an example. It's just that I sometimes end up confused when I see some packages installed, leaving me thinking "why did I install this again?" and all I can find out is that apparently I installed that manually a few months ago |
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| 21:32.30 | somiaj | secretpow: aptitude why packagename can sometimes help |
| 21:32.49 | somiaj | this will tell you that this package is a depends/recoomeends/suggested of some other package |
| 21:33.01 | somiaj | but this only works if the reason for the package is because another one depends on it |
| 21:33.33 | karlpinc | secretpow: Apt does keep logs. You can see when packages were installed so, in theory, could see what other packages were needed at that time. |
| 21:34.41 | secretpow | aptitude why is pretty much what I'm thinking of, it's just that it won't help me if I actually installed a package manually as a dependency for another program (e.g. if I didn't install it using apt) |
| 21:35.25 | tdn | karlpinc, yeah, I checked that and it is empty. It looks more like it is /etc/init.d/openvpn that generates the systemd scripts. |
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| 21:35.34 | karlpinc | secretpow: You should be tracking those "other programs" anyway because otherwise major release upgrading is going to break. |
| 21:36.35 | karlpinc | tdn: I imagine you can enable/disable them like any other systemd service. Maybe the one that does not start automatically was never enabled? |
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| 21:37.41 | tdn | karlpinc, yeah, I want to figure out HOW to enable them for auto start. I must somehow have done with the existing ones. |
| 21:37.42 | secretpow | Yeah, I definitely should. It's just that apt doesn't know that there's a connection between libbar-dev which I installed via apt, and my manually installed foo program |
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| 21:38.01 | somiaj | secretpow: maybe start building .debs from thrid party souce, so apt/dpkg can keep better track of what you have installed. |
| 21:38.06 | somiaj | secretpow: or just keep good notes. |
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| 21:38.38 | secretpow | Keeping notes is the approach I'm taking right now, I just wanted to see if anyone knew a better solution :) |
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| 21:39.45 | secretpow | Hm, I could probably create a "fake package" that does nothing but depend on libbar-dev. Then aptitude why should tell me that my fake foo package depends on libbar-dev, and it would also remove the fake package if I try to remove libbar-dev, correct? |
| 21:39.55 | annadane | ask someone else to take your notes! get a note slave and keep them locked in chains in your basement |
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| 21:41.02 | karlpinc | tdn: systemctl enable openvpn@foobar ?? |
| 21:41.06 | secretpow | and only unlock them if they can tell me why I installed that one package again? sounds like a plan |
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| 21:41.50 | tdn | karlpinc, what to write after @ ? |
| 21:41.56 | tdn | karlpinc, foobar is name of config file? |
| 21:42.09 | karlpinc | tdn: Yes. See the readme.debian |
| 21:42.21 | karlpinc | tdn: (I think it's in there.) |
| 21:42.51 | tdn | karlpinc, ok. It seems to work. Thanks |
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| 22:06.13 | warsoul | when i power on my pc my monitor is not getting signal cant see nothing |
| 22:06.29 | warsoul | just when login pops is when its get signal |
| 22:06.34 | warsoul | cant see bios, grub etc... |
| 22:06.41 | warsoul | any suggestion? |
| 22:11.03 | somiaj | sounds like a firmware issue on your machine if its native resolution cannot be picked up by your monintor |
| 22:11.14 | somiaj | it could also be it is displaying the output to a different display device you don't have plugged in |
| 22:11.44 | tomreyn | https://youtu.be/nn2FB1P_Mn8?t=13 |
| 22:11.58 | warsoul | somiaj, was working great |
| 22:12.09 | warsoul | on friday started the problem |
| 22:12.16 | warsoul | how can i fix it? |
| 22:12.47 | somiaj | if the bios/firmware is not displaying, this is a hardware issue, check your hardware |
| 22:13.07 | somiaj | Unsure what could have changed, but your os has no affect on this until it is booted by grub |
| 22:13.15 | warsoul | my hardware is new |
| 22:13.21 | somiaj | (note grub could have an issue, but not seeing firmware flash screen is hardware) |
| 22:13.29 | somiaj | could be firmware is misconfigured or something. |
| 22:13.45 | warsoul | somiaj, yeah i dont see nothing not even when i type f2 to enter the bios |
| 22:13.50 | warsoul | i cant see anything |
| 22:13.52 | warsoul | blackscreen |
| 22:14.07 | warsoul | but when debian logins comes the monitor gets signal |
| 22:14.11 | warsoul | after that works fine |
| 22:14.47 | somiaj | this is hardware, unsure what the problem could be out of what I mentioned |
| 22:15.11 | somiaj | yea, seems the hardware is not detecting which device to display too correctly, how many display ports/video cards does this machine have? |
| 22:15.29 | warsoul | has the one of the motherboard |
| 22:15.35 | warsoul | and i have a nvidia 2060 |
| 22:17.01 | somiaj | sounds like it might not be displaying to the right video card, if you plug your monintor into the mobo can you see output, then go set the primary video card in your firmware |
| 22:17.02 | warsoul | lspci | fgrep -e VGA -e video -i |
| 22:17.03 | warsoul | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 1f06 (rev a1) |
| 22:17.20 | somiaj | but I could totally see it configured it only output to the onboard device not the nvidia one |
| 22:17.30 | warsoul | somiaj i tried that connecting the monitor to the motherboard didnt work at all |
| 22:17.34 | warsoul | nothing |
| 22:17.38 | warsoul | black screen all the time |
| 22:18.11 | warsoul | somiaj, what you mean? |
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| 22:22.19 | warsoul | somiaj, this is the Xorg log |
| 22:22.23 | warsoul | https://termbin.com/etiq |
| 22:22.36 | somiaj | hmm, yea, unsure. Maybe give your firware a hardrest, someimtes there is a jumper switch to do this, sometimes removing the cmos battery works |
| 22:22.41 | somiaj | that log is pointless for the problem |
| 22:22.52 | warsoul | ok |
| 22:23.00 | warsoul | somiaj, what you suggest me to do? |
| 22:23.03 | somiaj | your firmware is not showing any output, this is a hardware problem, not a debian problem. Debian seems to be able to see your card despite your firmware not being able to |
| 22:23.11 | somiaj | I just suggested you reset your firmware to factory settings |
| 22:23.25 | warsoul | somiaj how can i do that if i cant see nothing |
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| 22:23.55 | somiaj | I just told you, on the mobo there is most likely a jumper you switch you can use, or you can remove the cmos battery, unplug it and wait for 30 seconds or os |
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| 22:27.16 | MikeDebian | When I reboot my debian 9 (on a dell laptop) many times it does not detect my headphones. When it detects the headphones being inserted, it pops up a window to select which audio output I want, ie, headphones, speakers), which is not the case currently, even after many reboots. When I reboot the laptop with the headphones plugged-in, I can see it on audio output devices but even when selecting it manually, no audio comes from the |
| 22:27.16 | MikeDebian | headphones. I have been searching and trying to apply some of the suggested fixes but with no luck. |
| 22:27.21 | MikeDebian | Any help? |
| 22:27.52 | warsoul | somiaj, where i is the cmos battery? |
| 22:28.12 | somiaj | on the mobo |
| 22:28.27 | karlpinc | warsoul: It looks like a wrist-watch battery. |
| 22:28.36 | somiaj | you can probably look up your mobo docs for exact instructions on how to reset the firmware |
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| 22:29.05 | warsoul | ok |
| 22:29.15 | warsoul | sorry im not good at hardware |
| 22:29.18 | warsoul | brb let me boot |
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| 22:51.02 | chet | jelly: ok thanks |
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| 23:02.08 | m0rd3cai | Hey guys, just playing around and noticed I have a username setup on my PC named geoclue. I read about libgeoclue which is where the username came from. Its for creating apps and getting location according to debian packages. This is something I wont be using, does anyone know if this is safe to remove or if that would break things. I have no apps/programs that use my location. |
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| 23:08.27 | jim | m0rd3cai, with debian, a package created the user, and removing the package would remove the user |
| 23:09.42 | m0rd3cai | Yea but I did find out that it is required for some parts of Gnome to work so I disabled the service and masked it to /dev/null so I dont think ill need to worry about that anymore |
| 23:09.59 | jim | m0rd3cai, another thing... debian packaging thinks it owns /usr... the safest thing to do is let it think that, and don't get in its way |
| 23:11.34 | m0rd3cai | Thank jim, i appreciate that. You learn something new every day |
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| 23:27.26 | warsoul | somiaj, it worked |
| 23:27.28 | warsoul | :) |
| 23:27.34 | warsoul | thanks a lot! |
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| 23:39.22 | lorek | any grub2 gurus around? |
| 23:40.18 | annadane | it's better to just ask your specific question, lorek |
| 23:40.41 | lorek | Trying to figure out how to generate the bios binaries for the bios portion of a hybrid(efi/bios) debian live environment |
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| 23:41.36 | lorek | liveng is the tutorial I've been following and they basically say, trust us, download the binaries (without signatures) from us. |
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| 23:55.22 | linux_user | I was asking in channel a few days ago about how to nix suspending on Debian, I found out: |
| 23:55.23 | linux_user | https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend |
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