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| 00:03.39 | greenbagels | hey fellas, quick question: is there an up-to-date document about compiling a (debian) kernel from source in buster? |
| 00:04.13 | greenbagels | the doc i found talks about stretch and kernel-package, and the kernel team site seems a little dated (though I could be wrong) |
| 00:04.48 | dvs | dpkg: kernel handbook |
| 00:04.48 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.debian.net/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
| 00:06.26 | greenbagels | Ah, i was reading 4.2 instead of 4.5! my bad then |
| 00:06.29 | greenbagels | thank you, dvs |
| 00:06.33 | dvs | np |
| 00:07.07 | theciaguy | make allyesconfig ; make spam |
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| 00:09.13 | tbrock | hey y'all, can someone help me figure out how to install a package from a specific apt repository component |
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| 00:10.48 | phogg | tbrock: would it be sufficient to install by exact version number? |
| 00:11.00 | tbrock | perhaps, yes |
| 00:11.06 | ksk | tbrock: you can specify a target release with "apt-get -t" - but what are you really trying to do? :P |
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| 00:12.20 | ksk | If i remember correctly, there also was some "apt-get install pkg=version" syntax? not sure |
| 00:12.55 | ksk | there is. see apt-get synopsis. |
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| 00:13.05 | phogg | ksk: yes |
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| 00:13.33 | theciaguy | consider using 'apt' instead of 'apt-get'. It is the intended interactive user interface. |
| 00:13.34 | phogg | tbrock: apt-get install package=version; you can use apt-cache policy packagename to get a list of exact versions per source. |
| 00:14.08 | phogg | apt-get, old dog, uphill both ways, cold dead hands, etc., etc. |
| 00:14.35 | theciaguy | something something assimilated, something something futile |
| 00:14.43 | tbrock | hm |
| 00:14.49 | phogg | theciaguy: I'm glad we got all that out of the way |
| 00:14.59 | tbrock | let me get home and describe what i'm trying to do better |
| 00:15.29 | cybercrypto | Hi there. In the debian homepage, there is a main logo on top with the saying: "the universal operating system". I am interested to know what font-type was used to design such logo. Can anyone point me to how to get in touch with the 'debian designer artist' who collaborate with that? |
| 00:17.24 | themill | !debian logo |
| 00:17.25 | dpkg | The Debian Open Use Logo is distributable under the LGPLv3 or later and is available in a variety of formats (jpg, png, svg, eps, pdf) from http://www.debian.org/logos . Usage of the logo shouldn't be confusing or misrepresenting as per the trademark policy http://www.debian.org/trademark http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130301. Also ask me about <debian logo font> or see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLogo |
| 00:17.35 | theciaguy | !debian logo font |
| 00:17.35 | dpkg | The Debian logo's font is Poppl Laudation Condensed by Friedrich Poppl (http://www.identifont.com/show?U5). Note that the "i" has been changed and the text has been condensed horizontally and stretched vertically. There are free fonts that are almost the same (see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLogo) and the Debian text is included in the vector images as an outline at http://www.debian.org/logos. |
| 00:17.57 | themill | yeah, that's the "debian" text not the one below it |
| 00:17.57 | theciaguy | cybercrypto: I never looked at it before, but now that I do, you're right. That font is gorgeous. |
| 00:18.50 | mutante | https://www.fontsquirrel.com/matcherator ? |
| 00:19.06 | themill | cybercrypto: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/futurePrototype |
| 00:19.11 | cybercrypto | theciaguy: Yah I know! I am looking forward to get in touch with the designers so I could get confirmation about what type-font it is. |
| 00:19.38 | themill | it's https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Quicksand |
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| 00:23.29 | cybercrypto | Sorry... i am back.... I lost latest replies, if some. |
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| 00:29.29 | theciaguy | cybercrypto: https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Quicksand |
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| 00:30.08 | cybercrypto | theciaguy: great! how do you confirm that? |
| 00:30.22 | theciaguy | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/futurePrototype |
| 00:30.37 | theciaguy | Read at the bottom. |
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| 00:31.09 | theciaguy | Credit goes to themill for finding that. |
| 00:31.15 | cybercrypto | ok, let me check |
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| 00:32.13 | cybercrypto | theciaguy: that's great! many thanks |
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| 00:48.00 | Gigglebyte | I tried to install Anbox, but received an error indicating that it is missing the following dependency: libegl1 |
| 00:48.10 | ksk | ,v anbox |
| 00:48.11 | judd | Package: anbox on amd64 -- stretch-backports/contrib: 0.0~git20181014-1~bpo9+1; bullseye/contrib: 0.0~git20190124-1; buster/contrib: 0.0~git20190124-1; sid/contrib: 0.0~git20190124-1 |
| 00:48.16 | Gigglebyte | I searched the repo for libegl1 and it is in there. Is it ok to install this? |
| 00:48.23 | Gigglebyte | I am on STretch. |
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| 00:48.50 | ksk | soo, where is this package then coming from in the first place? Did you enable stretch-backports? |
| 00:48.54 | Gigglebyte | judd> What about the missing dependency? |
| 00:49.00 | ksk | it should then also give you the needed dependencies |
| 00:49.01 | ksk | judd is a bot |
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| 00:49.38 | Gigglebyte | ksk> No, not from backports, but inside the Debian Repository. I thought I would bring it to everyone's attention since nothing should be in the repository if it has a dependency problem. |
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| 00:49.55 | ksk | Gigglebyte: there is no package anbox in the stretch repos |
| 00:49.56 | Gigglebyte | I assume the developer uploaded it without sufficient testing. |
| 00:50.10 | ksk | no, no. It is like 31337 more likely you are doing something wrong |
| 00:51.27 | Gigglebyte | ksk> I just searched again, and it isn't there. I think my computer is haunted. .... |
| 00:51.46 | ksk | you seem to be doing things you do not understand. dont do that.. |
| 00:52.04 | ksk | if you want anbox on stretch, then you need to enable stretch backports. |
| 00:52.23 | ksk | do not install software bypassing apt, do not install 3rd party repositories. |
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| 00:52.42 | Gigglebyte | ksk> I already have stretch backports. Is Anbox in backports? Also, I just checked the repo again, and it is definitely in there, and it has a missing dependency error. |
| 00:53.27 | ksk | if you had backports enabled, and that anbox package is coming from there, it would fullfill the dependencies. |
| 00:53.42 | ksk | how are you "checking the repo" anyways? :o |
| 00:53.57 | warsoul | i need a ftp to upload files to my server |
| 00:54.07 | ksk | !tell warsoul about ftp must die |
| 00:55.13 | warsoul | ksk, how i get the sftp? |
| 00:55.16 | Gigglebyte | ksk> apt-cache search "" |
| 00:56.04 | ksk | Gigglebyte: do paste (https://paste.debian.net) "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy anbox" |
| 00:56.21 | ksk | !tell warsoul about sftp |
| 00:56.22 | Gigglebyte | ksk> I may have problems. I just tried uninstalling anbox, and it can't be found -- even though I installed it. Also, I tried installing the missing dependency libegl1, and then it said another dependency was missing. I decided I didn't want to go any further, and tried uninstalling anbox and libegl1, and they won't uninstall. |
| 00:56.56 | ksk | warsoul: you use ssh, basicly. things like "clonezille" (Windows ftp clients) do also support sftp. |
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| 00:57.18 | warsoul | dont know the command lines to use ssh |
| 00:57.20 | ksk | Gigglebyte: sounds you have no idea what you are doing, and created a frankendebian? |
| 00:57.23 | ksk | !frankendebian |
| 00:57.23 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 00:57.45 | ksk | warsoul: then you wont know the commandlines to install ftp anyways? maybe start by looking at the handbook |
| 00:57.48 | ksk | !tell warsoul about handbook |
| 00:57.55 | Gigglebyte | ksk> I had plenty of help from the person who uploaded anbox to Debbie https://paste.debian.net/1105795/ |
| 00:58.06 | phogg | It's true and I have the scars to prove it. |
| 00:58.17 | Gigglebyte | I am not intentionally creating a FrankenDebbie. |
| 00:58.18 | ksk | lol. |
| 00:59.00 | ksk | Gigglebyte: I asked you for two commands, not one.. |
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| 00:59.08 | warsoul | ksk, can you tell me the command to upload a file to my server? |
| 00:59.10 | ksk | what is the trigger for "apt debugging" again? :x |
| 00:59.18 | Gigglebyte | ksk> I misread. Please restate. . . |
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| 00:59.44 | ksk | my last question was to members of this channel - there is some known best procedure to debug problems like the one you have |
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| 00:59.55 | ksk | I am just missing the bots trigger to make it appear in the channel right now.. |
| 01:00.15 | Gigglebyte | ksk> Just restate the two commands. ..! |
| 01:00.30 | Gigglebyte | The only thing I see was the apt-cache policy anbox |
| 01:00.39 | ksk | warsoul: it depends, on things. Judging from your questions, it would not help you if I told ya "scp file user@host:", would it? :> |
| 01:00.55 | ksk | Gigglebyte: then take a look at whats in front of the ";"? |
| 01:01.10 | Gigglebyte | I see a " in front of the : |
| 01:01.27 | ksk | "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy anbox" |
| 01:01.32 | ksk | do you? |
| 01:02.14 | Gigglebyte | ksk> I suspect what is wrong is that someone uploaded a program that isn't ready for Debbie -- maybe unstable or testing. |
| 01:02.26 | ksk | Gigglebyte: just no, you are doing it wrong. |
| 01:02.40 | theciaguy | warsoul: You need to step back and learn Linux system usage and administration basics. |
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| 01:02.53 | ksk | and as you are ignoring my question, I will quit irc for today. have a good one. |
| 01:03.08 | Gigglebyte | ksk> What am I doing wrong. When I type apt-cache search anbox it comes up and says anbox -- Android in a box. I will take a picture of it an upload it to imghur for you. |
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| 01:03.33 | ksk | Gigglebyte: how many times should I ask you to share the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy anbox"? |
| 01:05.00 | Gigglebyte | ksk> Here is apt-cache policy https://paste.debian.net/1105797/ |
| 01:05.22 | Gigglebyte | Here is apt-cache policy anbox https://paste.debian.net/1105795 |
| 01:05.57 | Gigglebyte | based on what I see I don't think it was installed. My point is that Anbox shouldn't be in the Stretch repository. I am not running anything else on here, and have a pure system - no Frankenfiles |
| 01:06.18 | ksk | Gigglebyte: anbox is _not_ in the stretch repos at all.. |
| 01:06.52 | ksk | "apt-cache policy anbox" just told you, that its in stretch-backports (which is something different) |
| 01:07.40 | theciaguy | !backports |
| 01:07.42 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 01:08.17 | theciaguy | Gigglebyte: You need to read 'man apt' and learn how to install from alternative repositories, such as backports. |
| 01:08.40 | ksk | mhhm, Id assume he would basicly just need to "apt-get install anbox", no? :P |
| 01:08.46 | theciaguy | If it's in backports? |
| 01:08.54 | ksk | Gigglebyte: can you please share "apt-get update; apt-get install anbox" outputs? |
| 01:09.01 | theciaguy | Oh, yeah, if it's in backports and not the base repo, it should pick up the backports option. |
| 01:09.06 | Gigglebyte | ksk> Here is the results of my search in the Stretch Repo https://imgur.com/a/H6rC7CB |
| 01:09.09 | ksk | theciaguy: yes - if it has no install candidate in "not backports" |
| 01:09.19 | theciaguy | Yeah, I know. |
| 01:09.23 | theciaguy | Brain fart. |
| 01:09.33 | ksk | Gigglebyte: thats where you are wrong |
| 01:09.56 | ksk | "apt-cache search" searches in all included repos - and apt-cache told you already, its coming from backports.. |
| 01:10.13 | theciaguy | Gigglebyte: Do you know how to install a package...? |
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| 01:10.27 | ksk | A little bit of scepticism might be totally fine, but you can believe me if I tell you the same thing like four times.. |
| 01:10.34 | Gigglebyte | theciaguy> apt-get install "alias" |
| 01:11.05 | theciaguy | Gigglebyte: Then... Why aren't you just installing anbox? |
| 01:11.06 | Gigglebyte | Just upgraded Chrome, but Anbox didn't upgrade. I don't think Anbox is installed even though I see something that I think is in the repo. i am going to check backports for this program. |
| 01:11.21 | theciaguy | Gigglebyte: Stop. Stop typing. READ. |
| 01:11.28 | ksk | ++ |
| 01:11.29 | theciaguy | I'm not trying to be rude, here, but... Come on. |
| 01:11.38 | Gigglebyte | theciaguy> As mentioned earlier, it came back with a dependency error, and a message indicating it wasn't going to be installed. |
| 01:12.02 | theciaguy | Have you provided a paste (not a friggin' Imgur photo) of the errors? |
| 01:13.02 | theciaguy | If you're getting dependency errors, that means the package is available within your enabled repos. There's a different issue. Without us being able to see them, we're shooting in the dark. Fun in laser tag, not in troubleshooting. |
| 01:13.06 | Gigglebyte | theciaguy> https://imgur.com/a/gAONcTV |
| 01:13.51 | theciaguy | That had better be the last Imgur photo you link to. |
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| 01:14.26 | theciaguy | Gigglebyte: I'll be helpful. Do you have netcat installed? The 'nc' command. |
| 01:14.29 | Gigglebyte | anbox is definitely in backports |
| 01:14.39 | theciaguy | I didn't ask if it was. |
| 01:14.45 | theciaguy | I know it is. |
| 01:15.06 | theciaguy | anbox's presence in backports is not the concern. ksk is tolerant of being forced to repeat themselves. I am not. |
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| 01:15.27 | theciaguy | Gigglebyte: So, I asked you about netcat. Do you have the 'nc' command available? |
| 01:15.41 | Gigglebyte | I just installed netcat |
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| 01:16.39 | theciaguy | Enter this, exactly: apt-cache policy libegl1 | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 01:16.46 | theciaguy | The only output will be a URL. Provide that. |
| 01:17.38 | Gigglebyte | Here is my configuration file https://paste.debian.net/1105798/ I don't see anything wrong with it but extra eyes always helps. Backports for Anbox should have been picked up. |
| 01:17.53 | Gigglebyte | theciaguy> I already installed netcat |
| 01:18.03 | theciaguy | Strike two. Type less, read more. |
| 01:18.13 | theciaguy | I gave you a command. Enter it, and provide the URL that it outputs. |
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| 01:19.41 | Gigglebyte | Here is the result of apt-cache policy libegl1 | nc termbin.com 9999 https://paste.debian.net/1105799/ |
| 01:21.20 | Gigglebyte | Here is the result of the URL that was output by the command you gave https://paste.debian.net/1105800/ |
| 01:21.58 | Gigglebyte | Even with backports, there still appears to be a problem with Anbox that was uploaded to the repo. It should have installed something. |
| 01:22.28 | Gigglebyte | https://termbin.com/r7if |
| 01:23.58 | warsoul | how do i check the users i have on my server? |
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| 01:24.35 | theciaguy | Gigglebyte: There's nothing wrong with anbox. The dependency it's looking for is ALSO in backports. Try this: apt install -t stretch-backports anbox |
| 01:25.13 | theciaguy | warsoul: By learning basic Linux administration. https://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 01:25.18 | CombatVet | lol |
| 01:25.28 | Gigglebyte | theciaguy> I have backports in my config file. Shouldn't this have been automatically picked up? |
| 01:25.30 | dvs | bout time |
| 01:25.32 | theciaguy | Gigglebyte: No. |
| 01:25.33 | ksk | Id rather recommend the handbook, tldp is of questionable quaity, to put it mildly |
| 01:25.39 | theciaguy | ksk: That's fair. |
| 01:26.07 | theciaguy | warsoul: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/index.en.html |
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| 01:26.28 | theciaguy | That's for jessie, so some things will be different, but a good 90-odd percent of it will carry over. |
| 01:26.35 | Gigglebyte | Its unpacking the library |
| 01:26.41 | CombatVet | ""The similarities of sysadmins and drug dealers: both measure stuff in Ks, and both have users." (Old, tired computer joke.)" from tldp |
| 01:26.53 | ksk | chrchr |
| 01:27.10 | theciaguy | Gigglebyte: backports are, with few exceptions, never automatically selected for installation. Only if you specify the package, or tell apt to look in the repository. |
| 01:27.14 | theciaguy | That's the -t option. |
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| 01:27.39 | theciaguy | And the "specify the package" option only works if there's no installation candidate in the stable repo; it will always prefer stable over backports. |
| 01:27.42 | Gigglebyte | theciaguy> That is good to know. I though if it was in the config file then it would be automatically pulled. |
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| 01:28.40 | theciaguy | Gigglebyte: backports are different. See also 'apt priority.' |
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| 01:31.18 | bigterd | any zfs guru? i'm going bald trying to figure out why i cann't access my zfs share via nfs clients. permission denied |
| 01:31.50 | bigterd | i need nfs access to simplify my data hoarding issues. |
| 01:32.15 | theciaguy | bigterd: Which user is trying to access the remote NFS share? |
| 01:32.22 | bigterd | not root |
| 01:32.47 | theciaguy | UIDs correct on both ends? |
| 01:33.09 | bigterd | hmm, i'll assuming adduser from either machine is a didffernet UID regardless of username? |
| 01:33.28 | theciaguy | UIDs are allocated in numerical order, irrespective of the username. |
| 01:33.31 | ksk | depending on how many users are there already on $machine, but yes. |
| 01:33.44 | bigterd | how should one check UDI? |
| 01:33.51 | bigterd | UID |
| 01:34.09 | theciaguy | You can look through /etc/passwd, or use the 'id' command. |
| 01:34.43 | theciaguy | For NFS, usernames don't have to match. UIDs, however, do. |
| 01:35.30 | bigterd | jesus |
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| 01:35.37 | bigterd | never added the user |
| 01:35.44 | bigterd | ugh |
| 01:35.46 | bigterd | i'm sorry |
| 01:35.48 | theciaguy | WELP |
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| 01:35.53 | theciaguy | Hope that handles it for you! |
| 01:35.57 | theciaguy | Make sure the UIDs match on both ends. |
| 01:35.58 | bigterd | fawk. :/ |
| 01:36.06 | dvs | !lart bigterd |
| 01:36.06 | dpkg | send killer squirrels to attack bigterd |
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| 01:37.07 | bigterd | the mount was successful. once the user was added. didn't even check UID yet |
| 01:37.38 | bigterd | i feel tiny for some reason. |
| 01:38.49 | theciaguy | Remind me to tell you the story of me cratering a critical financial transaction database in the middle of the trading day because I fatfingered a shell command. |
| 01:38.58 | theciaguy | You'll feel better. |
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| 01:39.17 | dvs | O_O |
| 01:39.33 | dvs | as long as you still had your job afterwards |
| 01:39.59 | bigterd | straigth caffeine might actually be a downer on that one. and UID's dont match, yet mount was successful. |
| 01:39.59 | theciaguy | Yup. The CTO actually laughed about it. |
| 01:40.22 | dvs | nice to have a CTO that was actually a techie |
| 01:40.47 | tbrock | ok so, im back, i have an apt repo where one of the components has the version of the package i want but another component has the same package but a newer version |
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| 01:41.05 | tbrock | i need the older package from the one component and the new version the other |
| 01:41.17 | ksk | tbrock: as I already mentioned earlier, you can do "apt-get install package=version" |
| 01:41.26 | theciaguy | bigterd: I think there's a service alongside NFS that can do UID mapping between systems. |
| 01:41.29 | tbrock | how do i find the version? |
| 01:41.31 | theciaguy | I haven't screwed with NFS in years, though. |
| 01:41.35 | ksk | take a look at pinning also maybe, but careful with that ;) |
| 01:41.44 | ksk | !tell tbrock about apt-pinning |
| 01:41.50 | ksk | tbrock: apt-cache policy pkg |
| 01:41.55 | bigterd | theciaguy: thanks. |
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| 01:43.53 | tbrock | ksk thank you, what dpkg said wan't helpful though |
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| 01:44.43 | ksk | tbrock: it would, if you were able to understand it :P as its about telling apt which package to install, if it comes from more than one repo ;) |
| 01:45.46 | tbrock | do i need to pin though? |
| 01:45.52 | tbrock | or just install the one i need |
| 01:46.02 | ksk | tbrock: that depends on what repos you mixed |
| 01:46.07 | ksk | !tell tbrock about frankendebian |
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| 01:46.34 | ksk | if you are doing it wrong, you might end up with frankendebian, where some packages come from repo/release A, and some others from repo/relase B and so on.. |
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| 01:47.06 | tbrock | this is for postgres |
| 01:47.30 | ksk | tbrock: debian had postgres packages, last time I checked ;) |
| 01:47.30 | tbrock | they screwed up libpq5.12 where they removed a symbol and broke API but didn't bump the SOname |
| 01:47.36 | tbrock | yes |
| 01:47.53 | tbrock | but i need a specific version of libpq5 and of psql |
| 01:47.57 | ksk | but if its "upstream postgres" - it should most likely be fine, as this repo will not be offering anything but postgres |
| 01:47.57 | tbrock | so, here i am |
| 01:48.05 | tbrock | yes |
| 01:48.10 | ksk | kk |
| 01:49.12 | bigterd | i'm missing something in zfs sharing |
| 01:49.15 | tbrock | thank you |
| 01:49.20 | tbrock | let me try specifying the version |
| 01:49.31 | bigterd | no write access, but it's zfs share options are rw |
| 01:49.45 | bigterd | client mount is correct too |
| 01:49.53 | bigterd | do i need to reboot for UID's to take effect? |
| 01:50.15 | nb-ben | no |
| 01:50.30 | tbrock | it didn't work |
| 01:50.30 | nb-ben | I assume you mean changes made to /etc/passwd and friends |
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| 01:51.23 | bigterd | mount was successful, read only, no write acccess from client |
| 01:51.38 | tbrock | ksk: the "Version: 10.10-1.pgdg90+1" that shows up in dpkg-query -s libpq5 doesn't work when i apt-get insall -yqq --no-install-recommends libpq5=10.10-1.pgdg90+ |
| 01:51.52 | bigterd | i shared the pool, not the dataset, was that a mistake? |
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| 01:52.05 | bigterd | the pool technically has no dataset on it. |
| 01:52.18 | bigterd | was that a mistake too? i just finished stuffing 12Tb on it. |
| 01:52.21 | tbrock | ksk: it says the version was not found |
| 01:52.28 | theciaguy | A pool always has at least one dataset on it. |
| 01:52.38 | theciaguy | Even if it's just the pool's root dataset. |
| 01:52.52 | theciaguy | bigterd: Did you set an appropriate mountpoint for the root dataset for that pool? |
| 01:52.54 | tbrock | ah, its stripping the 1 off the +1 at the end |
| 01:53.18 | bigterd | theciaguy: yes |
| 01:53.32 | theciaguy | bigterd: And does the NFS user you're working with have access to that mountpoint? |
| 01:53.51 | bigterd | yes, chmod |
| 01:53.58 | bigterd | erm, chown! |
| 01:54.14 | theciaguy | Start a shell on the server's end as that user and make sure you can access that data. |
| 01:54.18 | tbrock | hot damn ksk! |
| 01:54.20 | tbrock | it worked! |
| 01:54.36 | ksk | !next |
| 01:54.36 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 01:54.55 | bigterd | theciaguy: success |
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| 01:55.08 | theciaguy | And you're getting just 'permission denied' on the client? |
| 01:55.16 | theciaguy | bigterd: What's the server OS? |
| 01:55.31 | bigterd | not anymore, once i added the user on the client, the nfs share mounted immeditally, but unable to create files. |
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| 01:55.37 | bigterd | deb9 |
| 01:56.04 | theciaguy | bigterd: Okay, do me a favor. |
| 01:56.23 | theciaguy | bigterd: zfs get sharenfs pool |
| 01:56.52 | theciaguy | Let's take a look at your NFS parameters. |
| 01:57.02 | Gigglebyte | I get the following error when trying to start Anbox https://paste.debian.net/1105801/ Any idea what I am doing wrong? |
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| 01:57.33 | bigterd | rw=@192.168.1/24,root=* |
| 01:57.48 | bigterd | 1.0/24. i added the root as last ditch idea |
| 01:58.34 | theciaguy | bigterd: Deb 9 on both ends? |
| 01:59.04 | bigterd | raspberry3 9.6 client |
| 02:00.19 | theciaguy | Hmm. This is where I'd start building boxes in my lab to replicate what you're working with, but I'm out of time for this evening. |
| 02:00.33 | Gigglebyte | I also get an error indicating my laptop doesn't meet all requirements https://paste.debian.net/1105802/ I am on a Dell Inspiron 3521, i3, 2013 vintage. |
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| 02:01.10 | theciaguy | Well, that might be... because your laptop doesn't meet the requirements. |
| 02:01.20 | swift110 | I am unable to install packages due to a lack of dependencies |
| 02:01.22 | bigterd | darn. apprecaite the help. on the RPi i added the user, made sure of UID, and attempted local shell, unable to write |
| 02:01.28 | theciaguy | Probably expecting some CPU instruction sets that your laptop doesn't have. |
| 02:01.46 | theciaguy | bigterd: I'll be around tomorrow. If you haven't fixed this by then, I'll be up for building some lab boxes and working through this with you. |
| 02:02.01 | theciaguy | swift110: Present the logs! |
| 02:02.20 | bigterd | theciaguy: can i easily revert to /etc/exports? |
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| 02:02.43 | theciaguy | bigterd: Maybe? |
| 02:03.01 | bigterd | i read zfs share or exports, but not both. not sure why. |
| 02:03.09 | theciaguy | They collide. |
| 02:03.26 | theciaguy | Two facilities managing the same service. |
| 02:03.29 | bigterd | i had zfs shareoff and added the line in exports, and nfs server pukes.. |
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| 03:26.49 | qaswedfrtg | Hello |
| 03:29.58 | jim | hi |
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| 03:31.20 | ensamvarg | Greet you, qaswedfrtg. |
| 03:32.33 | Wafficus | jim: what timezone are you in btw? |
| 03:32.41 | jim | p |
| 03:33.26 | jim | and so, no one has responded in all the time I was gone... oh well, sorry about that |
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| 03:39.27 | qaswedfrtg | so what is everyone up to |
| 03:39.49 | Wafficus | jim: that's okay, I was doing some JavaScript dev stuff |
| 03:40.05 | Wafficus | these support channels have waves of support, probably no one on here is really for support anyway |
| 03:40.12 | Wafficus | Its more probably for Devs most likely |
| 03:40.42 | Wafficus | Lubuntu support is kind of the same way, you just have to hope you're on the right wave, otherwise it's kind of useless, but again, its free so there's no harm done |
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| 05:14.23 | versuchsanstalt | I need an ACMEv2 client for Debian 8, what should I do? (besides, obviously, upgrading Debian, which I won't be able to do very soon in that particular case...) |
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| 05:18.08 | rudi_s | versuchsanstalt: You could look in backports or try to backport one from Buster. |
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| 06:38.11 | centrix | I installed Buster as a KVM/QEMU guest. So far so good except its resolution does not change when I maximize my remote viewer. The viewer has been told to communicate using spice protocol. The spice-vdagentd is enabled in the guest. Any hints please? Thank you. |
| 06:39.19 | jim | is there a keyboard mapping tool that shows a mockup of a keyboard with buttons that when you push, let you remap the keys? |
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| 06:41.15 | svendre | jim: https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard |
| 06:41.40 | svendre | there's a couple gui notes in there for gnome/kde but I didn't study it in much detail |
| 06:43.20 | svendre | "autokey" can also be pretty useful |
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| 06:44.58 | jim | read that a couple times |
| 06:45.17 | jim | might as well read it again |
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| 06:49.14 | jim | it's thin, I skimmed it, I didn't see a keyboard-looking app for remapping |
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| 06:49.33 | jim | this is for Wafflecus, I'll talk to him tomorrow |
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| 07:03.25 | jelly | jim: there has not been one that I know of since xmodmap got supplanted by xkb. Previously: xkeycaps |
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| 07:09.48 | jim | right, xkeycaps, that was the old app... is that still around? |
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| 07:11.07 | jim | it's still around! |
| 07:11.13 | jim | package xkeycaps |
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| 07:13.16 | jelly | yes, it's there. Don't use it. Don't use xmodmap (unless you absolutely have no other way). Don't suggest it to other people. |
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| 07:13.51 | jim | what's the reason for that? |
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| 07:14.29 | jim | also, xmodmap was a mapping infrastructure? |
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| 07:15.05 | hmpf1 | Hi! |
| 07:15.05 | hmpf1 | Which filesystem would you recommend for an embedded linux device that will not be powered down properly. |
| 07:15.05 | hmpf1 | I formerly used ubifs on a nand flash. But know I'll have to use eMMC. |
| 07:15.42 | jelly | jim: yes. xmodmap has been outdated, deprecated, replaced by xkb since XFree86 4.x or so, even before X.org fork/rename |
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| 07:18.14 | Krikke | so is there any prebuilt kernels with preempt disabled in debian? |
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| 07:20.08 | Krikke | I knew there had to be some reason for my vms lagging |
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| 07:20.55 | jelly | Krikke: don't think so. Wikipedia says CONFIG_PREEMPT has been default since around 2.6 |
| 07:21.05 | Krikke | damn |
| 07:21.10 | Krikke | have to build my own then |
| 07:21.20 | Krikke | in arch the lts version has preempt disabled |
| 07:21.36 | Krikke | used to compile my own before I found out that |
| 07:21.41 | jelly | and that helps some things? |
| 07:21.59 | Krikke | well if you only run vms then it get rids of some stutter |
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| 07:22.04 | millaus564578568 | Ciao a tutti :D |
| 07:22.05 | Krikke | on the vms themselves |
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| 07:22.25 | Krikke | you don't have processes on the host that need to interrupt the vms |
| 07:22.26 | Krikke | right? |
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| 07:23.11 | millaus564578568 | hi all i have a problem with codeigniter in apache php server of debian.. i can t navigate the pages after i put correct .htaccess file. someone can help me pls ? |
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| 07:24.16 | jelly | Krikke: userspace processes can always be preempted. |
| 07:24.25 | jelly | this is how linux works |
| 07:24.46 | Krikke | well I have tested it myself and it works better with preempt disabled |
| 07:25.25 | jelly | I believe that, but it might be for other, unintended side effects |
| 07:25.42 | Krikke | a bold claim |
| 07:27.31 | jelly | yeah no, that disabling a core feature can help things is really the thing that is unusual and unexpected here |
| 07:27.47 | Krikke | I'm not using it as a desktop |
| 07:27.51 | Krikke | it's a headless server |
| 07:28.01 | Krikke | nothing is running on the host except qemu instances |
| 07:28.11 | Krikke | so I don't need it to preempt anthing |
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| 07:29.50 | jelly | I don't know enough about kernel, but it seems worth investigating why you see a positive effect at all |
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| 07:30.32 | Krikke | I told you how it works but you keep ignoring |
| 07:31.04 | jelly | Krikke: just to be sure, you're talking about CONFIG_PREEMPT, not CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT ? |
| 07:32.08 | Krikke | I'm talking about CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE=y |
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| 07:36.21 | Krikke | allright, building a new kernel :) |
| 07:37.05 | jelly | ah, that means I haven't looked at those options since early 2.6 kernels |
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| 07:39.27 | Krikke | yeah well the official debian documentation lists 2.6 kernel in it |
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| 07:41.11 | jelly | seems the default build has CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY=y since 2.6.32-1, and the only amd64 build changing that is the -rt build |
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| 07:41.37 | Krikke | 2.6 was in debian 6? |
| 07:41.40 | Krikke | 7? |
| 07:41.48 | jelly | Debian 6 |
| 07:41.55 | Krikke | yeah that's what I started with |
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| 07:42.20 | Krikke | the only scenario where it matters is running windows vms |
| 07:42.24 | jelly | (and Debian 4 optional and Debian 5 as well) |
| 07:42.28 | Krikke | with pci-e passthrough |
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| 07:42.35 | millaus564578568 | hi all i have a problem with codeigniter in apache php server of debian.. i can t navigate the pages after i put correct .htaccess file. someone can help me pls ? |
| 07:42.54 | Krikke | millaus564578568: did you check /var/log/apache2/error.log ? |
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| 07:45.46 | millaus564578568 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.02 | millaus564578568 | this is my problem i think |
| 07:46.26 | millaus564578568 | Krikke thank u for help |
| 07:46.35 | Krikke | np |
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| 07:49.50 | millaus564578568 | Krikke ok that was before i gave the chamod permission now i have no error in error.log |
| 07:50.18 | Krikke | ah ok |
| 07:50.46 | Krikke | did you add the Directory directive to site config? and AllowOverride all ? |
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| 07:52.13 | millaus564578568 | Krikke in php.ini ? |
| 07:52.22 | Krikke | apache config |
| 07:53.22 | millaus564578568 | krikke apache2.conf ? |
| 07:53.44 | Krikke | somewhere in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/yoursite.conf |
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| 07:55.59 | Krikke | dunno I'm just shooting a guess here, never used codeigniter or php |
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| 08:01.17 | millaus564578568 | krikke i did but dont work |
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| 08:02.59 | Krikke | ok, dunno then |
| 08:03.05 | Krikke | did you restart apache? |
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| 08:03.26 | millaus564578568 | yes |
| 08:03.53 | millaus564578568 | krikke if i write something in index file like echo "ciao"; die; |
| 08:04.07 | millaus564578568 | krikke i have good result but |
| 08:04.32 | millaus564578568 | krikke seems can't route properly inside filesystem of codeigniter |
| 08:04.45 | Krikke | k, does apache have permission to access it? |
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| 08:05.18 | millaus564578568 | krikke yes chmod -R 777 in root dir |
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| 08:06.04 | Krikke | k, seems a bit allowing but ok |
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| 08:10.15 | ratrace | millaus564578568: there's #httpd here on freenode, you'll likely get more help there. Also, chmod 777 might be temporary debugging mod, but don't do that in production. |
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| 08:15.27 | millaus564578568 | ratrace tank u man.. yes chmode 777 is just for now im mad... thank u for advice i try to ask there |
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| 08:30.54 | iwkse | hi, is possible to install debian without a GPU head? I'm trying to install it on a server with console port, boot on the boot I see black |
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| 08:46.14 | afidegnum | https://dpaste.de/NJRy |
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| 08:57.26 | mnencia | git log |
| 08:57.37 | mnencia | sorry :-) |
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| 11:59.27 | riezaizu | Is there a tool to check that all packages on a debian install are genuine? |
| 12:00.29 | This | Anyone up for helping with a gpu driver black screen fail? (AMD) |
| 12:01.38 | diogenes_ | This, details. |
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| 12:02.50 | This | AMD rx580, had installed openCL, wanted to switch to AMDGPU-PRO for mining reasons |
| 12:03.16 | This | GPU functioned fine before, installed AMDGPU-PRO, restarted, I don't even get a splash screen |
| 12:03.43 | diogenes_ | This, then uninstall it. |
| 12:04.02 | This | I have no graphical interface |
| 12:04.23 | diogenes_ | if you press ctrl+alt+f1/f2/f3 do you get a tty? |
| 12:04.24 | This | My whole plan was that if it backfired I'd just get to a command line and uninstall, |
| 12:04.31 | This | but I'm not even getting a splash screen |
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| 12:04.58 | This | I assumed I'd at least get to the loading menu where I could get to the line |
| 12:05.35 | This | (For the record, I took the HDMI out of the GPU and plugged it into the motherboard.) |
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| 12:06.11 | diogenes_ | This, and HDMI's belong to GPU. |
| 12:06.25 | This | Just tried ctrl+alt+f1/f2/f3, still not seeing anything |
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| 12:06.40 | This | I have integrated Intel, though - I should assume they're also knocked out? |
| 12:06.45 | diogenes_ | do you get the grub menu? |
| 12:06.51 | This | No GRUB |
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| 12:07.19 | diogenes_ | check in bios if there's a way to disable the discrete graphics and boot with the onboard only. |
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| 12:07.34 | This | I'm not even getting BIOS, to my great dismay. |
| 12:08.02 | diogenes_ | This, do you even see anything on the screen while booting? |
| 12:08.09 | This | No splash screen |
| 12:08.25 | This | I totally didn't expect it to bork this badly. |
| 12:08.31 | diogenes_ | i mean anything at all, like the message "loading kernel bla bla bla" |
| 12:08.52 | This | I understood, I meant motherboard splash. |
| 12:09.17 | This | Strangely, the first time I rebooted I did get the 'loading kernel', and it said it had successfully launched gnome |
| 12:09.24 | This | But never moved off the loading screen. |
| 12:09.37 | This | I eventually rebooted, and have got 100% nothing since. |
| 12:10.15 | This | I can prove the system is loading, if it's any help |
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| 12:10.34 | diogenes_ | turn if off completely then as soon as you press the power button, keep the shift key pressed downa nd see if you get the grub menu. |
| 12:10.44 | This | going for it |
| 12:11.35 | This | getting the loading menu |
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| 12:12.10 | diogenes_ | what loading menu? |
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| 12:12.33 | This | e.g. [ OK ] started Daily apt download activities |
| 12:12.52 | This | seems to be hanging on [ OK ] started GNOME display manager |
| 12:13.11 | diogenes_ | so no grub menu? |
| 12:13.28 | This | No grub (is wireless keyboard a problem for holding shit? |
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| 12:13.35 | This | shift |
| 12:13.36 | This | whoops |
| 12:14.07 | This | (that's a bad typo, as typos go) |
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| 12:15.03 | diogenes_ | This, there are case when wireless keyboards can be a problem, as i can see you've got 2 options, either find any linux live iso and try to fix the stuff with chroot or, re-installation. |
| 12:15.56 | This | I tried booting off of the live USB I made for debian, but I'm not even getting BIOS, so I can't get it to load off the USB (my motherboard always deprioritizes USB boot) |
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| 12:17.08 | This | Is there a hotkey for exiting gnome to the command line? Maybe I could log in blindly and get out to the command line that way? |
| 12:18.08 | riezaizu | Is there a tool to check that all packages on a debian install are genuine? |
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| 12:19.05 | diogenes_ | This, you could try to shutdown, unplug the power, take the CMOS batter off, keep the power button prssed for at leat 30 seconds, then try to start it again and get to the bios, because if you're not even getting bios, that is a biggr problem already. |
| 12:19.25 | diogenes_ | riezaizu, what do you mean by genuine? |
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| 12:20.09 | riezaizu | diogenes_, that the packages are exactly the same as what is in the repos, i.e no possible malicious modification/etc |
| 12:22.25 | diogenes_ | riezaizu, i guess if you used the patched apt to install the packages then you're safe. |
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| 12:24.45 | riezaizu | Is there a reason why some security updates are not listed on debian.org? |
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| 12:29.34 | jelly | riezaizu: listed where? Generated web pages can lag a little, but usually less than 1 hour |
| 12:29.59 | riezaizu | jelly, I am talking about a few days now |
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| 12:31.12 | themill | riezaizu: exact URLs are useful, "on debian.org" is not |
| 12:31.36 | riezaizu | themill, debian.org, then scroll down to "security advisories" |
| 12:32.10 | themill | URLs are a thing... |
| 12:32.24 | riezaizu | themill, https://www.debian.org |
| 12:33.07 | themill | what's missing? |
| 12:33.14 | jelly | riezaizu: which CVE, or which DSA, is missing? |
| 12:33.32 | riezaizu | jelly, openssh if I recall correctly |
| 12:33.53 | jelly | can you recall which fucking DSA number correctly? |
| 12:34.08 | themill | riezaizu: feel free to make this as hard as possible to help you |
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| 12:34.41 | themill | DSA 4539-2? |
| 12:34.44 | riezaizu | jelly, I am talking about installing an update to openssh, but the information about the update is not showing on the DSA list. |
| 12:34.56 | themill | riezaizu: please get some details |
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| 12:35.11 | theciaguy | A CVE or something. |
| 12:35.53 | jelly | riezaizu: ok, DSA 4539-2, a regression update on top on DSA 4539-1 is really not shown |
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| 12:36.31 | theciaguy | That's openssl, not openssh. |
| 12:36.48 | theciaguy | Because we have fuck all for information, that may be correct. |
| 12:36.52 | jelly | theciaguy: it's both. |
| 12:37.08 | theciaguy | Gotcha. |
| 12:37.09 | jelly | fix in openssl caused a regression in openssh |
| 12:37.34 | jelly | the regression was fixed in the place where it happened, so openssh |
| 12:37.55 | jelly | For the stable distribution (buster), this problem has been fixed in version 1:7.9p1-10+deb10u1. # says mail |
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| 12:38.18 | riezaizu | Ok, that makes sense. Thanks for the help. |
| 12:38.42 | themill | riezaizu: if you'd just given us a package name and version we could have told you that 20min ago. |
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| 12:39.15 | themill | Also, you might want to subscribe to debian-security-announce if you want to be informed of package updates. |
| 12:39.18 | jelly | riezaizu: if you install apt-listchanges, you can see latest changelog entry in updated packages at apt upgrade time, and you can also configure apt to prompt for confirmation after reading those |
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| 12:46.34 | Wezme | Hi |
| 12:47.04 | Wezme | I have a question about Buster. I run Buster VM's on OpenStack. But after 24h my dhcp leases break down |
| 12:47.09 | Wezme | I see the following error: |
| 12:47.11 | Wezme | networking.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE+buster |
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| 12:47.55 | Wezme | IPv6 is not disabled. |
| 12:48.03 | Wezme | Any clue if this is a known bug someone? |
| 12:48.37 | Wezme | We also see this error: |
| 12:48.38 | Wezme | t 11 06:28:15 brico dhclient[327]: |
| 12:48.38 | Wezme | Oct 11 06:28:15 brico dhclient[327]: Failed to get interface index: No such device |
| 12:48.48 | Wezme | Oct 11 06:28:15 - dhclient[327]: |
| 12:48.59 | Wezme | Very strange |
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| 13:04.36 | oxek | I am trying to do a netinst of debian over a wifi usb card, but the installer does not see the wifi card |
| 13:04.49 | oxek | I have firmware files on a usb stick, and it is inserted into the pc |
| 13:04.58 | oxek | what went wrong? |
| 13:05.20 | oxek | when I drop to console, I don't have lsusb available to debug this |
| 13:05.52 | tsglove | Got a question that is probably not Debian specific, yet hoping you can send me on the right direction to fix it. I´m running a fresh Debian10 machine with VNC server. I connect to that machine using an ssh tunnel. |
| 13:06.24 | tsglove | From a second Debian10 machine, I am able to open up vinagre (vnc viewer) or xtightvncviewer and connect to the remote machine´s desktop. |
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| 13:06.33 | tsglove | Yet if I disconnect, I cannot reconnect. The connection is refused. |
| 13:06.54 | tsglove | Any idea if I am "leaving vnc hanging" or something? Do I have to disconnect in a specific way? |
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| 13:08.39 | karlpinc | tsglove: You need to look at logs. You can also see if the server is still running with ps, and be sure it's listening with ss -l. |
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| 13:08.59 | tsglove | Yeah, I used ss -tulnp and it *is* listening on port 5901 |
| 13:09.21 | karlpinc | tsglove: Does it log? |
| 13:09.26 | tsglove | Yet.. I must be doing something wrong |
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| 13:09.34 | tsglove | karlpinc, I have to check. |
| 13:09.39 | tsglove | On my way. |
| 13:11.32 | BCMM | tsglove: what VNC server are you running? x11vnc will, by default, quit as soon as the client disconnects |
| 13:12.09 | tsglove | BCMM, tightvnc |
| 13:12.23 | BCMM | tsglove: started with `vncserver`? |
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| 13:12.44 | tsglove | karlpinc, wow crazy. In the logs ~/.vnc/logxyz it is showing a "Too many authentication failures - client rejected" yet every 15-20 seconds. |
| 13:13.01 | tsglove | Odd thing is that I *am* connected right now via Vinagre. I a looking at the other Desktop live. |
| 13:13.14 | tsglove | BCMM, yes, started with vncserver |
| 13:13.23 | tsglove | it loaded up 127.0.0.1:5901 |
| 13:13.39 | tsglove | I then do an ssh tunnel (?) from my machine to that one, and bind both 5901 ports. |
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| 13:14.27 | BCMM | (this is almost certainly unrelated to your problems, but i'll just plug tigervnc, which is an actively-maintained fork of tightvnc) |
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| 13:14.49 | tsglove | REALLY?! On my way!! I love those forks. |
| 13:17.52 | BCMM | (tightvnc dropped linux support a while back) |
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| 13:55.30 | wondiws | how can it be that my 64bit binary finds the necessary libraries in /usr/local/lib, but my 32bit build doesn't find them in /usr/local/lib32, there I have to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| 13:58.18 | ksk | wondiws: did you create that "/usr/local/lib32" yourself? :> |
| 13:58.25 | wondiws | ksk, yes |
| 13:58.39 | ksk | wondiws: okay, cool. why would you do so? |
| 13:59.02 | wondiws | because there's a /usr/lib32 for 32bit libraries, so I thought this would be analogous to that |
| 13:59.10 | ksk | if you install 32bit libs via apt, they will be put in, for example, "/usr/libx32/libstdc++.so.6.0.25" |
| 13:59.23 | wondiws | minus the x, I imagine? |
| 13:59.33 | greycat | there's no /usr/lib32 in Debian either |
| 14:00.04 | wondiws | greycat, what am I looking at now then? |
| 14:00.12 | wondiws | it's on my system |
| 14:00.35 | jelly | wondiws: also, /usr/libx32 is different from /usr/lib32 |
| 14:00.45 | wondiws | I don't have /usr/libx32 though |
| 14:00.55 | jelly | good |
| 14:01.03 | greycat | zlib1g:i386 on Debian 9 has /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libz.so.1.2.8 and /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libz.so.1 |
| 14:01.23 | jelly | you probably have remnants of old lib32* packages from before Debian 8 |
| 14:01.53 | wondiws | jelly, maybe commercial packages? |
| 14:02.29 | jelly | wondiws: "dpkg -S /usr/lib32" will tell you which packages contain that dir (and some of the files in it) |
| 14:02.47 | jelly | ,i ia32libs |
| 14:02.48 | judd | No package named 'ia32libs' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 14:02.51 | jelly | ,v ia32libs |
| 14:02.52 | judd | No package named 'ia32libs' was found in amd64. |
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| 14:03.16 | themill | libc6-i386 is still a thing |
| 14:03.23 | jelly | ,v ia32-libs |
| 14:03.24 | judd | No package named 'ia32-libs' was found in amd64. |
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| 14:04.03 | greycat | wondiws: you could use dpkg -S /some/file and see where it comes from |
| 14:04.04 | jelly | last seen in Debian 7 (wheezy) |
| 14:04.19 | mason | Wheezy \o/ |
| 14:04.47 | wondiws | but I got it working now. /usr/local/lib/i386-linux-gnu and then ldconfig |
| 14:04.57 | jelly | yay |
| 14:05.01 | wondiws | thanks for the help |
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| 14:32.04 | losgb1 | Hello, I have just installed debian 10.1 buster and I've run into a few problems. But what I'm here to ask help for is dnsmasq. I went to the dnsmasq channel and since I use NetworkManager as my network configuration tool, I have read in their guidelines that I should come here for questions. The problem I have with dnsmasq is that it just won't |
| 14:32.04 | losgb1 | run, dnsmasq-base works fine with "dns=dnsmasq" in NetworkManager.conf, but as soon as I install dnsmasq, network won't connect. I have checked the syslog file for any information and it seems like I cannot get a DHCP lease from my router, I get a DHCPNAK package in response and the network disconnects. I have tried everything and every possible |
| 14:32.05 | losgb1 | combination I found on the internet but dnsmasq just won't work, even with a virgin dnsmasq.conf. I was wondering if anybody could help. Thanks. |
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| 14:49.34 | jhutchins_wk | What are you expecting dnsmasq to do for you? |
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| 14:51.50 | losgb1 | Hi jhutchins_wk, I'm expecting dnsmasq to simply work as a local dns cache and provide me with the extra options it offers. |
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| 15:06.03 | jelly | losgb1: do you actually need any extra options? If not, why not let N-M work with "dnsmasq-base" automatically and get rid of "dnsmasq" package? |
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| 15:11.33 | losgb1 | I prefer dnsmasq package because, amongst other, I can stretch the time I can cache the dns addresses locally, otherwise dns addresses onyl last 5 minutes and have to be refetched. I prefer lowering the traffic and having longer periods of time between each dns query. |
| 15:11.40 | losgb1 | jelly |
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| 15:12.46 | jelly | that makes sense |
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| 15:13.36 | losgb1 | @jelly ahah, thanks |
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| 15:15.40 | losgb1 | I mean, I even tried downgrading to dnsmasq stretch (because it worked for me in stretch) but that didn't do no good, just the same behaviour, can't connect to the internet, no dns resolver addresses in resolv.conf and (apparently) no DHCP lease from my router. So I'm kinda at the end of my rope here : ( |
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| 15:17.55 | thomassgn | Hi, I have a device with a raid and a usb flashdisk. Can I setup debian to boot straight to the raid? |
| 15:18.54 | thomassgn | I mean, can I install debian on the raid and not the USB? maybe have a boot partition with initramfs on the usb, but the rest on raid. |
| 15:21.36 | losgb1 | Plus honestly, caching dns adresses locally just boosts up the internet, so I'd really like dnsmasq to work, not just dnsmasq-base. |
| 15:22.04 | EmleyMoor | What exactly is the RAID device? |
| 15:23.19 | thomassgn | it's 6 hdd's set up as a RAID 10 |
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| 15:23.41 | jelly | thomassgn: it depends on what kind of raid it is, if there's a hw raid controller and it can present a disk bootable from bios/uefi, then you probably can install linux on it |
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| 15:24.05 | thomassgn | it's a software raid, mdadm. |
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| 15:24.37 | jelly | grub has some limited support for md raid, no idea if it can read raid10 |
| 15:24.47 | cnrhkiyf | hi! when i make a fresh installation of debian 10.1 stable netinst with guided partitioning lvm + encrypt, reboot -> system is not booting and says: gave up waiting for root device, dropping to a shell. when i make the same installation but without encryption it boots fine. |
| 15:24.58 | jelly | it's safer to have a separate md raid1 for /boot |
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| 15:25.33 | cnrhkiyf | i already tried with testing netinst but its the same |
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| 15:26.18 | jelly | thomassgn: but then you need partitions on disks, which kind of sucks. I'd use the usb as boot device and for /boot, and put everything else, inclduing the OS, on that md raid10 |
| 15:27.08 | jelly | thomassgn: servers these days have an internal USB port and/or an internal SD card reader just for setups like this |
| 15:27.09 | GuiltySpark343 | mysql_secure_installation doesn't change the root password for some reason despite the script running successfully. What might I be doing wrong? |
| 15:27.11 | thomassgn | kool, does mounting the usb as /boot make initramfs and everything go in there? or I mean, does /boot depend on other parts of the system? |
| 15:27.39 | n5659 | hi |
| 15:27.43 | thomassgn | ah, mine is just a diy machine... :) |
| 15:27.44 | jelly | thomassgn: populating and configuring your /boot is left as an exersize for the reader! :-D |
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| 15:28.23 | thomassgn | hahaha. allright. Thanks jelly |
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| 15:31.27 | jelly | but yeah, you use the usb as any other disk, make a single partition with ext3 or whatnot, tell the installer to use it as /boot |
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| 15:32.33 | wwilliam | what would be the best solution to run rsync between 2 servers but many different source directories and different dest directories? |
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| 15:33.23 | jelly | many different rsync jobs. |
| 15:33.50 | wwilliam | That kills the source ssh and rsync take too much resources i was doing that. |
| 15:34.24 | jelly | you can run them serialized. |
| 15:34.36 | wwilliam | ok how do i do that? |
| 15:34.43 | greycat | one at a time, instead of all at once |
| 15:34.46 | wwilliam | in a script? |
| 15:34.54 | jelly | a series of commands can be put into a text file, called a script |
| 15:34.55 | wwilliam | one by one? |
| 15:35.08 | wwilliam | ok will do thank you. |
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| 15:35.31 | wwilliam | may be i use parallel. |
| 15:35.45 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 15:35.58 | jelly | there are also ways to limit parallelism, but are more complex |
| 15:36.10 | wwilliam | parallel has a --delay flag so i can use that. |
| 15:36.35 | wwilliam | but i think script is better. OK Thank you. |
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| 15:43.53 | jelly | reads https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/86270/how-do-you-use-the-command-coproc-in-various-shells and is surprised zsh has expect-like functionality |
| 15:44.43 | jelly | will now implement automation of remote servers in zsh-only, who needs python and ansible |
| 15:46.00 | losgb1 | Reiterating here, can anybody help with dnsmasq not running in debian 10.1 ? Thanks. |
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| 15:49.44 | ksk | losgb1: "not running" is not exactly a helpful technical statement |
| 15:50.02 | mason | ksk: He means he's running it on Ubuntu. |
| 15:50.14 | losgb1 | ksk Yeah I know but I try to not bug the channel |
| 15:50.26 | ksk | !ubuntu |
| 15:50.26 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 15:50.32 | greycat | ... seriously?! |
| 15:50.46 | mason | losgb1: You need to offer up an error message or failure mode, possibly using a pastebin to show details. |
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| 15:50.58 | losgb1 | ok |
| 15:51.05 | losgb1 | I'll repost my first message |
| 15:51.26 | losgb1 | Hello, I have just installed debian 10.1 buster and I've run into a few problems. But what I'm here to ask help for is dnsmasq. I went to the dnsmasq channel and since I use NetworkManager as my network configuration tool, I have read in their guidelines that I should come here for questions. The problem I have with dnsmasq is that it just won't |
| 15:51.26 | losgb1 | run, dnsmasq-base works fine with "dns=dnsmasq" in NetworkManager.conf, but as soon as I install dnsmasq, network won't connect. I have checked the syslog file for any information and it seems like I cannot get a DHCP lease from my router, I get a DHCPNAK package in response and the network disconnects. I have tried everything and every possible |
| 15:51.27 | losgb1 | combination I found on the internet but dnsmasq just won't work, even with a virgin dnsmasq.conf. I was wondering if anybody could help. Thanks |
| 15:51.29 | mason | !paste |
| 15:51.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 15:51.43 | losgb1 | Hope that helps, if you need anything pasted just ask. |
| 15:52.09 | theciaguy | ksk: Where does Ubuntu come into this? I'm confused. |
| 15:52.20 | greycat | I'm still trying to figure out what operating system you're actually running, since you APPEARED to confirm that you were using Ubuntu, but then you said buster 10.1 a couple times also. |
| 15:52.22 | mason | losgb1: you might want to go into more detail about "network won't connect". Can you ping -n your gateway's IP? Is it DNS? |
| 15:52.36 | ksk | theciaguy: someone said he was using ubuntu, I was thinking he had proof, or would otherwise not state something like this ;) |
| 15:52.44 | mason | greycat: Nah, that was just me trolling based on the syntactic ambiguity. Sorry. |
| 15:52.56 | greycat | 11:50 losgb1> ksk Yeah I know but I try to not bug the channel |
| 15:53.12 | theciaguy | That may have been about his lack of useful information. |
| 15:53.15 | mason | <- Discordian - it's sort of an obligation of the order |
| 15:53.43 | losgb1 | @mason what do you mean, with dnsmasq can I get my gateway IP to respond a ping ? |
| 15:53.47 | mason | ksk: What's your default gateway? If it's 192.168.0.1, try "ping -n 192.168.0.1" as an example. |
| 15:54.02 | ksk | mason: it was not me having the problem with dnsmasq :p |
| 15:54.04 | losgb1 | My default gateway is 192.168.1.254 |
| 15:54.05 | mason | ksk: You need to identify what it is about networking that's not working. |
| 15:54.11 | losgb1 | my router's address |
| 15:54.27 | mason | s/ksk/losgb1/ |
| 15:54.39 | mason | losgb1: so, "ping -n 192.168.1.254" and see if that works |
| 15:54.48 | losgb1 | but basically I have no network ability when using dnsmasq so a ping would just lag or not be sent, I can't get NetworkManager to connect to the internet. |
| 15:54.55 | mason | Then you can say, "help me fix dns" but your network works otherwise. |
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| 15:55.26 | mason | losgb1: you need to narrow it down |
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| 15:56.28 | losgb1 | @mason I can connect to my router and exchange secrets but I cannot seem to get a DHCP lease, I receive a DHCPAK response and and then DHCP just goes back to sleep. |
| 15:57.07 | losgb1 | I'm doing this from memory for obvious reasons, I wouldn't be here if I'd be using dnsmasq, but if you need log entries just ask, I'm desperate XO |
| 15:57.34 | greycat | losgb1: it's going to be impossible to help you unless you actually have the machine in the problem state at that time. |
| 15:57.38 | mason | losgb1: dnsmasq is funny in that it can provide things like a dhcpd, so maybe that's messing you up. |
| 15:58.05 | losgb1 | you mean a double deamon running for DHCP ? |
| 15:58.22 | greycat | Does dnsmasq actually *do* anything other than a caching DNS resolver, that you actually want? Maybe you should just not use dnsmasq, and instead, use some other caching DNS resolver. |
| 15:58.33 | mason | losgb1: I don't have enough data to say, but dnsmasq provides a variety of lengths and types of rope. |
| 15:58.35 | GuiltySpark343 | mysql_secure_installation doesn't change the root password for some reason despite the script running successfully. What might I be doing wrong? |
| 15:58.46 | mason | losgb1: What greycat said was my next offering. |
| 15:59.06 | mason | losgb1: I use unbound here, and it's blessedly single-purpose. |
| 15:59.12 | losgb1 | greycat If I have the machine in the provlem state, I cannot connect to the internet, the NetworkManager just lags and fails the connection with a DHCP error. |
| 15:59.24 | greycat | And I use dnscache. There are lots of choices. |
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| 15:59.51 | losgb1 | ok |
| 16:00.06 | mason | losgb1: You'll need to collect logfiles and put them on bpaste.net or similar. Too many variables otherwise, and getting help will depend on luck. |
| 16:00.21 | losgb1 | can any of these replicate dnsmasq's options such as stretching the dns resolve time ? That's what I'm most interested in. |
| 16:00.49 | mason | That sounds like a local resolver issue. Not sure. |
| 16:00.49 | losgb1 | I can get you my syslog entries when I try and connect to my network. |
| 16:00.56 | greycat | You mean... like, a site says "this record is valid for 24 hours" but dnsmasq holds it for 48 hours instead? |
| 16:01.12 | losgb1 | setting "log-queries" in dnsmasq.conf doesn't offer any useful debug options. |
| 16:01.44 | losgb1 | Basically yeah, just use it as a local dns cache, except that I keep my dns entries for an hour over 5 minutes. |
| 16:01.52 | losgb1 | Two days would be a bad idea. |
| 16:02.11 | greycat | Each domain *says* how long a record should be cached. |
| 16:02.58 | losgb1 | When I ping an adress it gets cached for 300 seconds (5 minutes), so I guess this is my router's default behaviour for dns caching. |
| 16:03.06 | greycat | i.e. google.com gives records that last less than a minute, www.debian.org is 5 minutes |
| 16:03.10 | losgb1 | Sorry if I'm not that literate, trying as hard as I can here. |
| 16:03.31 | losgb1 | But you can cache these. |
| 16:03.34 | BCMM | losgb1: if a site says results are only valid for a given amount of time, and you keep results around for longer than that, it's your problem if it goes wrong basically |
| 16:03.58 | BCMM | e.g. if the site changes their address, people caching properly won't notice; you will |
| 16:04.13 | losgb1 | For instance i just dig google.com and the record time was 300. |
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| 16:04.56 | greycat | OK, mine's up to 215 now, so maybe I caught it when it was already close to timing out, last time. |
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| 16:05.16 | greycat | so maybe google.com is natively 5 minutes |
| 16:05.46 | losgb1 | BCMM I know that, but I just don't appreciate website needing to re-resolve the same dns address every 1/2/3/etc. minutes, I'm just trying to keep them longer so I can have a somewhat faster internet and not have that much clear traffic go through to my ISP. |
| 16:06.02 | greycat | How about you get things *working* first. |
| 16:06.12 | greycat | Then you can go around trying to break the internet. |
| 16:06.15 | losgb1 | greycat how so ? |
| 16:06.30 | losgb1 | It worked fine in debian strech, it just broke in debian buster. |
| 16:06.36 | losgb1 | I updated two days ago. |
| 16:06.55 | losgb1 | I mean, I got a lot of broken stuff in debian buster, but I'm here for dnsmasq right now. |
| 16:07.25 | losgb1 | And to be honest I don't think i'm breaking the internet, one hour is a reasonable time for a dns address that basically doesn't change. |
| 16:07.44 | losgb1 | I'm taking a risk but that's a small risk and big payoff compared to unlimited dns traffic. |
| 16:07.52 | BCMM | losgb1: it's not particularly common for sites to have such a short expiry, is it? |
| 16:08.05 | losgb1 | BCMM which ones ? |
| 16:08.12 | losgb1 | I guess it is. |
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| 16:08.15 | BCMM | if it's resolving every 2 minutes i'd suspect it was simply not caching, and resolving for every single connection |
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| 16:08.28 | greycat | BCMM: some sites like google really do use short TTLs |
| 16:09.03 | losgb1 | I'm caching right now, but dnsmasq-base does not allow a configuration file, so basically dnsmasq-base is working, dnsmasq isn't. |
| 16:09.29 | losgb1 | greycat and that bugs me, the address is the same, one hour per dns address is reasonable in my opinion. |
| 16:10.19 | losgb1 | So that's the basic premise of why I want to use dnsmasq over simple dnsmasq-base that and other security options that I think are fine such as dns-loop-detect and others. |
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| 16:27.16 | wr | nice GUI file extractor for Debian? |
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| 16:30.20 | losgb1 | wr Xarchiver ? |
| 16:30.58 | wr | losgb1, well... that's one have, but don't know if like it that much |
| 16:31.23 | losgb1 | It's ok, you can add tones of archive formats to it. |
| 16:31.44 | NetTerminalGene | how can i learn when i installed debian? |
| 16:32.08 | NetTerminalGene | when did i installed debian? |
| 16:32.19 | losgb1 | I mean file extractor are basically the same, some better then others and i believe Xarchiver is in the top tier. |
| 16:32.24 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: not easily |
| 16:32.47 | wr | losgb1, ok, in that case... |
| 16:32.51 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: if you haven't migrated filesystem, you can find out when your root filesystem was created. |
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| 16:33.21 | NetTerminalGene | jelly, i upgraded from stretch to buster |
| 16:33.34 | losgb1 | wr yeah, not an expert on file extractors : ) |
| 16:33.51 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: sudo dumpe2fs -h /dev/your/root/fs/device |grep created |
| 16:34.16 | NetTerminalGene | it sounds scary |
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| 16:34.44 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: dumpe2fs has a man page, we'll be waiting here for you to read it |
| 16:34.52 | rozie | stat /root should be fine too |
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| 16:35.27 | jelly | rozie: fine for what? stat in buster does not show creation time yet |
| 16:35.30 | NetTerminalGene | rozie, thanks |
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| 16:35.59 | jelly | you want scary? |
| 16:36.02 | jelly | !crtime |
| 16:36.02 | dpkg | Some filesystems may store creation time after all, even if POSIX APIs don't expose it. Ext4 does. E.g., to check how long ago your root filesystem root directory was created: f="/"; dev=`df -P "$f"|tail -n1|awk '{print $1}'`; i=`stat -c%i "$f"`; sudo debugfs -R"stat <$i>" "$dev" 2>&1|grep ^crtime |
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| 16:36.20 | rozie | jelly: access time is equal to creation time |
| 16:36.28 | rozie | (if you use noatime, at least) |
| 16:36.37 | NetTerminalGene | jelly, thanks. i learned when i installed |
| 16:36.53 | jelly | rozie: nope, sorry |
| 16:37.30 | jelly | I mean, maybe if you only ever mount with noatime, but relatime is default and touches things once a day |
| 16:38.05 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: but you're not going to tell us which solution worked! |
| 16:38.17 | NetTerminalGene | jelly, stat |
| 16:38.38 | rozie | NetTerminalGene: check the other one |
| 16:38.40 | NetTerminalGene | it sounds accurate |
| 16:38.47 | rozie | it will give more accurate result |
| 16:39.18 | NetTerminalGene | no |
| 16:39.23 | jelly | it will only be accurate if you never do things in /root |
| 16:39.33 | rozie | or use noatime |
| 16:39.37 | jelly | right |
| 16:39.37 | NetTerminalGene | i scared from other command |
| 16:39.46 | jelly | it's good to be scared. |
| 16:39.58 | rozie | OTOH dumpe2fs solution may also not be accurate. depends how system was installed |
| 16:40.07 | jelly | it's also good to read manuals instead of trusting random people on irc blindly |
| 16:40.57 | NetTerminalGene | Access: 2017-11-19 |
| 16:41.16 | NetTerminalGene | sounds accurate |
| 16:41.35 | NetTerminalGene | it will be 2 years after one month |
| 16:41.40 | NetTerminalGene | my record |
| 16:41.52 | jelly | nice |
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| 16:42.12 | NetTerminalGene | debian made me achieve that |
| 16:42.54 | jelly | in place upgrades are one of debian's best features |
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| 16:45.19 | NetTerminalGene | debian version update is so fast, but windows isn't. why? |
| 16:45.35 | greycat | because we rule and microsoft sucks? |
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| 16:46.33 | jhutchins_wk | Why aren't banannas red? |
| 16:46.51 | thomassgn | where do I find the adduser command? |
| 16:47.02 | losgb1 | Personally updating broke a bunch of stuff for my Debian, still trying to figure it out. |
| 16:47.12 | thomassgn | I mean, it's not available as a command on a fresh install... |
| 16:47.20 | losgb1 | thomassgn in bash ? |
| 16:47.23 | thomassgn | yes |
| 16:47.56 | jhutchins_wk | thomassgn: Did you use su to become root? |
| 16:47.59 | thomassgn | I installed the adduser package, which didn't download or install anything, and it's still not visible in path |
| 16:48.01 | greycat | !buster su |
| 16:48.01 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To use the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 16:48.02 | thomassgn | yes |
| 16:48.14 | greycat | are you FUCKING KIDDING ME |
| 16:48.21 | thomassgn | interesting |
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| 16:48.31 | greycat | who keeps changing it?!\ |
| 16:48.50 | thomassgn | hahaha, ok. that's weird. |
| 16:48.53 | tsglove | Dude, if *you* don't know... we're lost. |
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| 16:49.01 | greycat | !factinfo buster su |
| 16:49.01 | dpkg | buster su -- created by greycat <~wooledg@139.137.128.43> at Thu Jul 11 19:56:26 2019 (91 days); last modified 1d 2h 8m 31s ago by themill!~stuart@unaffiliated/themill; it has been requested 38 times, last by greycat, 1m ago. |
| 16:49.20 | greycat | glares |
| 16:49.31 | losgb1 | thomassgn I know that on my fresh install of Buster I had to manually add $PATH directories so maybe you're missing those |
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| 16:49.56 | thomassgn | It worked fine after the above info. 'su -' did the trick |
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| 16:50.01 | thomassgn | :) |
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| 16:54.35 | rozie | greycat: su -l ;) |
| 16:54.55 | greycat | rozie: sudo -s |
| 16:55.02 | greenbagels | greycat | because we rule and microsoft sucks? |
| 16:55.04 | greenbagels | agreed |
| 16:55.21 | greycat | except when it comes to the su command. |
| 16:55.33 | rozie | greycat: that's not su! |
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| 16:56.42 | greycat | if you intend to use su, I strongly encourage putting ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes in /etc/login.defs to restore sanity. |
| 16:57.01 | jelly | will have to disagree on that |
| 16:57.33 | jelly | grew up on SunOS 5.x |
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| 16:58.40 | mason | It's hard to imagine typing an unadorned "su". |
| 16:58.41 | jelly | "su -" is mechanical memory by now because "su" was inconsistent |
| 16:59.12 | mason | It's either "su -" or "sudo -i" for me, as far back as my shoddy memory can reach. |
| 16:59.31 | jelly | there was no -i to sudo back when!!1 |
| 16:59.32 | greycat | how on *earth* did you ever install things that you built by hand? |
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| 16:59.52 | greycat | tar ...; cd ...; ./configure; make; su |
| 16:59.53 | greycat | make install |
| 17:00.28 | mason | make install PREFIX=/usr/local/stow/foo cough |
| 17:00.31 | greycat | or did you simply never ever build anything from source? |
| 17:00.36 | jelly | it was always second screen with su -, cd ~jelly/src/foo, and then make -n install |
| 17:00.50 | jelly | separation of church and state |
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| 17:03.30 | jelly | in an unrelated note, coworker just confessed the other day he consistently created tarballs with contents directly in . |
| 17:03.39 | jelly | there was much consternation |
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| 17:06.25 | jelly | that thing where "su" would not change HOME often left me with ~jelly/.Xauthority or other bits owned by root |
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| 17:12.26 | wwilliam | what is knotify4 use for? |
| 17:12.32 | wwilliam | can i kill it? |
| 17:13.10 | greycat | read its man page. if it doesn't have one, use dpkg -S to find out what package it's in, then read whatever's in /usr/share/doc/thatpkg/ |
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| 17:14.13 | losgb1 | Is there a difference between the debian installation dvd and the debin installation cd ? |
| 17:14.20 | greycat | only the size |
| 17:14.23 | wwilliam | OK thanks greycat |
| 17:14.58 | greycat | bigger image = more .deb files included in the image = possibly less stuff to download during installation, unless of course the image is old, and all of the .debs in it have been security-patched since then, in which case you download them all anyway |
| 17:15.01 | losgb1 | greycat So more packages ? |
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| 17:15.26 | losgb1 | But any bug would not be fixed, would they ? |
| 17:16.11 | losgb1 | Because I wonder if the reason why I can't get dnsmasq working is that I might be missing packages. |
| 17:16.36 | losgb1 | So i'd figure a re-install from a bigger image would do the trick. |
| 17:16.42 | greycat | If the package installed without errors, then you are not "missing" anything. |
| 17:17.13 | greycat | you can run "apt-get -f install" to check for consistency errors in the installed package set, and try to fix them |
| 17:17.28 | greycat | I doubt you'll find any |
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| 17:19.38 | losgb1 | I doubt it also but I just figured I might try that. |
| 17:19.45 | losgb1 | Or is 10.1 just buggy ? |
| 17:20.03 | greycat | you can check http://bugs.debian.org/dnsmasq to see if anyone else has reported a similar issue. |
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| 17:20.16 | losgb1 | Because apparmor is acting up too, I had to downgrade apparmor-utils because aa-enforce and others wouldn't work |
| 17:20.31 | losgb1 | thanks greycat |
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| 17:25.50 | Razva | what GUI is faster? GNOME or Xfce? |
| 17:26.02 | Razva | I don't care about "shiny" |
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| 17:26.20 | greycat | they both move at a speed of zero mph in my experience |
| 17:26.31 | greycat | not much physical mobility power |
| 17:26.49 | greycat | if one of them ever does manage to move off of the monitor, I'll be a bit shocked |
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| 17:28.08 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 17:28.31 | oxek | what sort of issues (if any) would setting 'C - No localization' as language during debian installation create? |
| 17:28.47 | johnfg | I issued this cmd: /usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.pl -newca, but it fails with this error: |
| 17:28.51 | Razva | greycat: not even 10mph? what kind of distro is this?! |
| 17:29.07 | c0rnelius | Xfce is a better experience in my opinion |
| 17:29.27 | blackfield | how similar are commands in ubuntu and debian? |
| 17:29.34 | Razva | aaand between Xfce and LXQt? |
| 17:29.42 | greycat | I was joking there, probably pretty badly, but the truth is, I don't use either of them, and a lot of people here don't use them either. |
| 17:30.00 | c0rnelius | beats me never used it i don't think? |
| 17:30.06 | greycat | Try them and see which one you like. Maybe you hate them all. That's totally fine. |
| 17:30.29 | c0rnelius | pretty much |
| 17:30.35 | Razva | well, I'll use this for a VNC server, the sole thing that'll run will be a browser... |
| 17:30.37 | c0rnelius | try them out and see what fits |
| 17:30.44 | Razva | and maybe some light file management |
| 17:30.52 | c0rnelius | i go between openbox and xfce depending on the hardware |
| 17:31.14 | c0rnelius | but tend to still use xfce backends even in openbox |
| 17:31.24 | greycat | Razva: sounds like a good use-case for "no desktop environment at all". Just a traditional window manager. |
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| 17:32.48 | Razva | I've just selected Xfce and see how much RAM is using |
| 17:33.16 | Razva | greycat: I'll try that scenario as well, didn't ventured that far |
| 17:34.13 | c0rnelius | well if ur just browsing you can just install the basics and autostart into openbox and even have it load the browser on boot. |
| 17:34.57 | Razva | can I do some light file management this way? |
| 17:35.21 | c0rnelius | you could also install a file manager, yes |
| 17:35.24 | Razva | I need to do some reading about this, because I don't clearly understand how "it works" |
| 17:35.49 | Razva | so basically you just run "the app" (aka browser or whatever), without a "desktop"? |
| 17:36.06 | c0rnelius | well you use a window manager |
| 17:36.19 | c0rnelius | doesn't have icons or any of that silliness |
| 17:36.29 | Razva | and you open the app/software via console? |
| 17:36.34 | c0rnelius | but does have a right click menu to select applications |
| 17:36.39 | greycat | some WMs might have icons, others might not. they are incredibly varied in their interfaces. |
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| 17:36.51 | Razva | aaha |
| 17:37.12 | Razva | so it's basically an "app launcher" that opens basic windows and that's it? |
| 17:37.21 | greycat | Razva: in your "pseudo kiosk" applicaiton, you'd probably have a small ~/.xsession file that runs something like "firefox-esr & my-file-manager & exec mywm" |
| 17:37.37 | Razva | I understand |
| 17:37.41 | greycat | that runs the three programs you want (WM, browser, file manager) and lets them coexist until you exit through the WM |
| 17:37.50 | Razva | I'll spin up a VM and give it a shot, sounds really interesting |
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| 17:38.15 | c0rnelius | for example you - sudo apt install xinit xserver-xorg x11-xserver-utils chromium openbox obconf thunar xfce4-settings mousepad -y |
| 17:38.57 | c0rnelius | after that you can setup auto login and not even need a display manager and set ur bash_profile to startx |
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| 17:55.05 | oxek | during debian installation, what continent should I select if I already selected the 'C - No localization' locale? |
| 17:55.22 | oxek | this is going to be a virtual machine distributed among many people across the world |
| 17:55.34 | oxek | and we want to have reproducible results when using it |
| 17:56.07 | mason | oxek: Just pick one, and have them dpkg-reconfigure locales or whichever on setup. |
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| 17:56.50 | mason | oxek: I'd recommend whipping up policy and instructions for localization. |
| 17:57.22 | oxek | ok then |
| 17:57.36 | oxek | coincidentally, why doesn't debian offer a 'other/other' option? |
| 17:57.54 | oxek | currently there's only other/curacao |
| 17:58.17 | greycat | The installer has to set *something* for your default time zone. |
| 17:58.18 | mason | oxek: Are you talking locale, timezone, ...? |
| 17:58.33 | greycat | You could just choose UTC. |
| 17:58.34 | mason | oxek: For timezone, start it off as UTC I guess. |
| 17:58.37 | oxek | greycat: so why not offer an option for UTC? |
| 17:58.45 | greycat | doesn't it? I have no idea. |
| 17:59.04 | oxek | I am talking about the step after selecting 'C - No localization' where it asks for continent or region |
| 17:59.22 | greycat | you're stressing out a lot over an installer that's intended to guide newbies. just configure it by hand afterward. |
| 17:59.38 | mason | oxek: select "none of the above" and the next line lets you select UTC |
| 17:59.49 | mason | s/line/screen/ |
| 17:59.55 | mason | A little exploration would go a long way. |
| 17:59.58 | jelly | oxek: use preseeding if you want consistency |
| 18:00.06 | jelly | (and automation) |
| 18:00.20 | oxek | jelly: yeah, I'll have to look at preseeding, but I wanted to whip up something quick |
| 18:00.28 | oxek | mason: there's no 'none of the above' |
| 18:00.39 | mason | oxek: Configuring timezone? Or locale? Second time asking that. |
| 18:00.57 | oxek | mason: one moment, I'll make a screenshot |
| 18:01.07 | jelly | judd: bug 925897 |
| 18:01.08 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/925897 in debian-installer (closed): «Always also offer UTC when asking timezone»; severity: minor; opened: 2019-03-28; last modified: 2019-04-27. |
| 18:01.44 | mason | jelly: It's there in Buster's dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 18:01.56 | mason | Oh, and the bug is closed. |
| 18:02.17 | jelly | yes, "configure it afterwards" is one of the options offered by maintainer |
| 18:02.26 | mason | Maybe it doesn't show up outside of dpkg-reconfigure or an expert install. |
| 18:02.38 | oxek | mason: https://imgur.com/oBjklvI |
| 18:02.58 | jelly | mason: it doesn't, hence the bug |
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| 18:03.03 | mason | kk |
| 18:03.17 | oxek | I am using expert text install |
| 18:03.47 | mason | oxek: If you're making a VM image, just note the things you want to change later, and if there are options that should be in the install, open bugs I guess. |
| 18:03.55 | mason | Or submit patches. |
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| 18:20.59 | fredl | hi guys, know if there's a way to 1) turn off line folding in less (eg. -S) but 2) still SEE the whole line? |
| 18:21.13 | fredl | (it's so I can cut and paste from my gnome terminal) |
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| 18:25.59 | fredl | Actually I think it may be something gnome-terminal does instead of less... |
| 18:26.08 | fredl | I see a different behavior in xterm |
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| 18:26.36 | greycat | News flash: gnome does something wrong/undesirable. Again. |
| 18:26.40 | greenbagels | quick question: when i try to do something with iptables, i get a wonky reply; do you suspect my install is somehow broken (or missing a kernel module?) https://p.sicp.me/bx3qB |
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| 18:26.46 | c0rnelius | could also output the information to a file. such as - dmesg > log |
| 18:26.50 | fredl | greycat :) |
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| 18:28.33 | fredl | I could do that c0rnelius but it's clumsy |
| 18:28.58 | c0rnelius | to each his own |
| 18:29.02 | w1d3m0d3 | systemctl --user fails to enable a service: connection to bus failed permission denied or whatever |
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| 18:29.10 | fredl | whoops |
| 18:29.17 | w1d3m0d3 | bloody systemd |
| 18:29.19 | w1d3m0d3 | what causes it? |
| 18:29.43 | greycat | make sure you're actually logged in as the user who's running the command |
| 18:29.55 | greycat | "logged in" has an actual meaning under systemd |
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| 18:30.12 | greycat | long gone are the days when it was just "something wrote a record in utmp" |
| 18:30.24 | w1d3m0d3 | sadly |
| 18:30.27 | w1d3m0d3 | I am ssh'd into it |
| 18:31.35 | fredl | xterm sure uses a LOT less memory than gnome-terminal |
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| 18:33.04 | jelly | w1d3m0d3: what does "loginctl session-status" say? |
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| 18:45.59 | SerajewelKS | greycat: that... uhh.... shouldn't happen |
| 18:46.02 | SerajewelKS | erm |
| 18:46.04 | SerajewelKS | greenbagels: ^ |
| 18:46.38 | SerajewelKS | greenbagels: try "modprobe ipt_REJECT"? |
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| 18:47.55 | greenbagels | SerajewelKS: false alarm; i was booting the wrong kernel |
| 18:48.04 | SerajewelKS | well that will do it |
| 18:48.06 | greenbagels | i think the version i was using didn't like my packages or something |
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| 18:49.00 | SerajewelKS | newer kernels have nftables and an iptables compat layer, i believe. it's possible that an older kernel with a newer nftables-aware iptables userspace binary don't mix. though i don't know how much the userspace binary actually knows about nftables. |
| 18:49.32 | Doxin | How do I set up a debian server to automatically connect to wifi on boot? I'm building an image using a chroot so I can't really run commands to set it up... |
| 18:50.36 | ksk | Doxin: did you checkout https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse already? |
| 18:51.12 | Doxin | I have, and I must say I'm having trouble making heads or tails out of it |
| 18:52.21 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: if it's a server then you probably want to pick the wpa_supplicant option as it integrates with /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 18:52.54 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: it's a server only in so far as it has no GUI, it is however also a portable device... |
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| 18:53.45 | SerajewelKS | wpa_supplicant will still work. if you're roaming between APs then connman might be better. |
| 18:54.33 | SerajewelKS | there's not much support for easily roaming between arbitrary APs from the command-line as this is a very niche use case |
| 18:54.36 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: I do expect to be roaming, what's the advantage of conman over networkmanager? |
| 18:55.06 | SerajewelKS | you can try network manager with nmcli, i haven't used it |
| 18:55.35 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: this thing is going to have a user interface /eventually/ but the hardware isn't there yet and I'd like to get on with it :P |
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| 19:09.58 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: so it seems that nmcli expects networkmanager to actually be running which is probably not a great idea in a chroot, so how do I pre-load it with a ssid and password? |
| 19:10.40 | greycat | you don't configure your network in a chroot, unless you're chrooted into your "real" Debian installation from a live rescue CD or something similar |
| 19:11.21 | Doxin | greycat: which then leads to the problem that the thing this runs on has no keyboard (nor a screen for that matter) and I'd really like to be able to ssh into it at some point |
| 19:11.55 | Doxin | greycat: surely having a saved wifi hotspot amounts to a config file somewhere? |
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| 19:14.16 | Doxin | greycat: obviously i don't expect to actually be able to set up a nonexistent network card, but I'd at least like to configure stuff so it'll bring the network up properly when it boots |
| 19:14.32 | mason | Doxin: If you're in a limit environment, don't use complex tools. wpa_supplicant still works. |
| 19:14.55 | mason | dhclient works, ip works, probably ifconfig works. |
| 19:15.10 | Doxin | mason: I'd like to be able to roam on wifi networks once this image is running on the actual hardware though |
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| 19:15.48 | greycat | I'm having a really hard time understanding how you plan to connect to arbitrary wireless networks from this thing-with-no-human-input-devices. |
| 19:15.51 | mason | Doxin: Right, and it will, won't it? |
| 19:15.54 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: is this chroot something that you are going to be booting directly into later? |
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| 19:16.24 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: indeed |
| 19:16.37 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: if this is running on mobile hardware and you'll have a keyboard on it, why not just install the wireless network then? |
| 19:16.47 | SerajewelKS | i don't understand why any config needs to be preloaded |
| 19:16.56 | Doxin | greycat: input isn't much of a problem, it has usb, but I'd rather not do everything blindly |
| 19:17.01 | greycat | they said it has no keyboard or screen |
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| 19:17.24 | Doxin | greycat: but it will have in the future, but you know how it is when you're waiting for packages to arrive |
| 19:17.27 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: so how are you going to roam between networks? this doesn't make sense. |
| 19:17.46 | sweb | i have make file that generate deb packages. source included. how can i enforce debbuild no sign. --force-sign not working. |
| 19:18.01 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: well ideally by using a pre-loaded list of saved networks |
| 19:18.04 | sweb | i dont need sign deb package what's the option |
| 19:18.08 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: it sounds like you should just wait for the hardware to arrive -- or use an ethernet connection instead |
| 19:18.44 | SerajewelKS | sweb: usually dpkg-buildpackage -nc -us |
| 19:18.55 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: I wish it had ethernet, trust me, and waiting is obviously an option but not a preferred option. I can get basically all software preconfigured in the image and ready to go, but not wifi? what makes wifi so special? |
| 19:19.32 | SerajewelKS | generally things like "not knowing the interface name" |
| 19:19.55 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: the thing has one interface, it'll be at /dev/wlan0 |
| 19:19.59 | SerajewelKS | or "needing specific firmware" |
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| 19:20.17 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: if it's buster it may not be wlan0 unless you're specifically configuring udev or systemd to name it that |
| 19:20.22 | greycat | interfaces are not in /dev/ and you seem *awfully* confident about the name being wlan0 ... are you forcing ifnames=0? |
| 19:20.44 | Doxin | fair enough, wlan0 was an assumption since that's what I';m used to happening |
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| 19:21.10 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: I've got all the relevant firmware in the image afaik, the thing needs firmware on-disk to even boot |
| 19:21.28 | SerajewelKS | what's probably going to happen is that you're going to configure wpa_supplicant or network-manager and then find out that it doesn't work for some reason but without a display you'll have no way of knowing why |
| 19:22.04 | SerajewelKS | you can add a systemd unit to do things like dump "ip link" output to /tmp/foo then pull the storage back onto your other system and see what the interface is called |
| 19:22.05 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: log files are a grand invention, granted it's not ideal but since the alternative is sitting here bored I'm willing to deal with it |
| 19:22.21 | SerajewelKS | then it seems like you already have everything you need to proceed :) |
| 19:22.33 | SerajewelKS | we've told you about wpa_supplicant |
| 19:22.43 | SerajewelKS | go make it happen |
| 19:22.44 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: which I've been told doesn't work for roaming |
| 19:23.04 | SerajewelKS | yes but will you be roaming before this mysterious other hardware arrives? |
| 19:23.43 | Doxin | unlikely, but I hate doing work twice for no good reason. not to mention I need to get a roaming wifi setup in the image working *anyways* if I want to do OTA updates |
| 19:24.00 | Doxin | (at least to the point of having the interface up) |
| 19:24.06 | SerajewelKS | why can't your OTA update switch to network-manager or whatever? |
| 19:24.45 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: well surely in the future it can, but right now I'm having fun getting all this bootstrapped, but since I can't ssh into the device I can hardly go poke it with commands can I? |
| 19:25.01 | SerajewelKS | so set up wpa_supplicant |
| 19:25.42 | Doxin | honestly though why is it impossible to write a config for network manager? |
| 19:26.13 | SerajewelKS | nobody said it was impossible, but nobody here knows how or they would have piped up. so go figure it out? |
| 19:26.30 | Doxin | well say so then instead of telling me I'm doing it wrong. |
| 19:26.37 | somiaj | Doxin: I think most use nm-cli instead of messing with its configs file. |
| 19:26.47 | somiaj | sounds like you want to configure network manager from a cli enviorment? |
| 19:26.56 | Doxin | somiaj: right, the entire point being that that expects network-manager to actually be running |
| 19:27.04 | SerajewelKS | i never said you were doing anything wrong, i said that it will be a pain in the ass poking in the dark until you get the display or whatever |
| 19:27.14 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: it'll be like that in any case. |
| 19:27.17 | somiaj | and on debian, I would suggest just using /etc/network/interfaces file and not use network-manager at all |
| 19:27.19 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: so chroot into the environment and _start it_ |
| 19:27.27 | greycat | somiaj: near as I can tell, there will be no CLI. He wants to preconfigure a set of files on disk so that it will magically connect to any wireless network (in his predefined list) upon boot. |
| 19:27.44 | greycat | and he doesn't seem to know how to do that, but thinks that we will know |
| 19:27.46 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: doesn't that then start trying to poke my actual network? |
| 19:28.07 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: quite possibly |
| 19:28.18 | Doxin | greycat: I was asking if anyone knew, no is a valid answer. |
| 19:28.37 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: well I mean I'd rather not drop from the face of the internet if I can help it :P |
| 19:28.58 | somiaj | Here I would use the interfaces file or just use wpa_supplicant for wireless (or a combination of both, which is what I do) |
| 19:28.58 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: not to mention it'll probably complain that I don't /have/ a wifi network, which is true on this machine. |
| 19:28.59 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: generally don't expect a "no" answer to "does anyone know ___" because otherwise you will get hundreds of replies |
| 19:29.22 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: I'd still rather have that than people being very verbosely unhelpful. |
| 19:30.08 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: it appears wpa_supplicant does support roaming |
| 19:30.18 | Doxin | oh it does? neat-o |
| 19:30.30 | SerajewelKS | wpa-roam in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:30.49 | somiaj | but yea, if you want some wireless just connect, look at wpa_supplicant, and read /usr/share/doc/wpa_supplicant/<something> |
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| 19:30.55 | Doxin | there we go, that's getting me useful google results |
| 19:31.02 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: this documentation is meant for rpi but it should work on any wpa_supplicant https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/11631/how-to-setup-multiple-wifi-networks |
| 19:31.04 | greycat | and so his strategy is "show up and be as negative as possible until someone reads the documentation for him" |
| 19:31.07 | somiaj | Doxin: there is a very good doc that I just point you at about wpa_supplicant and roam mode |
| 19:31.10 | somiaj | it comes with the package. |
| 19:31.27 | SerajewelKS | greycat: to be fair i said that i didn't think wpa_supplicant did roaming (based on my limited experience with it) |
| 19:31.38 | Doxin | greycat: it's rather hard to read the documentation if you don't know what software package even does what you want, or if the documentation just straight up assumes a normal environment |
| 19:32.04 | Doxin | greycat: I'm not too good for man-pages and whatnot, but lets be fair it's not exactly light reading either. |
| 19:32.29 | SerajewelKS | if you're setting up a headless environment then that's a skill you'll want to be good at because that's where all of the useful information is |
| 19:32.52 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: I'm aware, this isn't my first headless rodeo, just the most inconvenient one so far ;) |
| 19:32.59 | Akuw | i need to connect to an antenna that is using http service, but only have ip, so i need to know what data is sending |
| 19:33.23 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: and then there's stuff like "man interfaces" not even mentioning wifi on my system for some reason |
| 19:33.47 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: (nor in the target chroot) |
| 19:33.49 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: because that only describes the core directives provided by ifupdown. the wpa-* directives are provided by wpa_supplicant. |
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| 19:34.04 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: right, which I should've known how exactly if not for asking around? |
| 19:34.09 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: similarly you won't find anything about bridges in there, but bridge-utils adds some directives |
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| 19:34.41 | Doxin | thank the lord I won't be needing bridges, I remember my last adventure in that territory, I got it working eventually I think |
| 19:34.45 | SerajewelKS | i mean, googling "wpa_supplicant interfaces" gives me a page full of examples |
| 19:35.14 | SerajewelKS | starting with the wiki page you were linked to at the very beginning of this discussion |
| 19:36.05 | somiaj | Doxin: install wpasupplicant and read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz -- this is a very good doc that describes the various ways to configure it. You want Roam mode |
| 19:36.12 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: right but I didn't even know I was going to need wpa_supplicant, I was looking at networkmanager |
| 19:36.58 | Doxin | somiaj: thanks I'll have a look in a minute |
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| 19:41.25 | Doxin | SerajewelKS, greycat: apologies if I came across as irate, you've provided some valuable pointers. |
| 19:41.48 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: np. i was not meaning to sound combative either. |
| 19:42.02 | Doxin | eh it happens sometimes |
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| 19:46.44 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: the biggest issue you may have is figuring out what the network interface is called |
| 19:46.55 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: you may be able to do this from a script during boot and regenerate /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:47.12 | SerajewelKS | (or generate a file in /etc/network/interfaces.d which would be better) |
| 19:47.13 | greycat | 'll probably want to force net.ifnames=0 in the boot parameters and count on it being wlan0 |
| 19:47.22 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: so am I turning loony or are interfaces not just sequential? |
| 19:47.35 | greycat | Doxin: not since stretch. |
| 19:47.53 | greycat | !listkeys redictable |
| 19:47.55 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'redictable' by key returned no results. |
| 19:48.05 | greycat | damn it... |
| 19:48.05 | Doxin | hm, well that probably explains why I got that wrong in my head then |
| 19:48.08 | Akuw | greycat: i have an antenna that provides http service and send data |
| 19:48.32 | SerajewelKS | Akuw: we saw that statement but it made no sense and has no context so we ignored it |
| 19:48.36 | Akuw | how can i check the data that is sending, actually has too ssh but no acces now |
| 19:48.46 | Doxin | greycat: I hardly imagine having fancy interface names matters on something that'll only ever have one interface... |
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| 19:49.11 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: that's why the net.ifnames workaround may be good in your situation |
| 19:49.19 | Doxin | yeah I'm going with that |
| 19:49.29 | Doxin | might do something fancier later if it's worth the bother |
| 19:50.00 | greycat | dpkg, predictable is <reply>Starting with Debian 9 (buster), interface names are assigned using the "predictable interface names" scheme. See <https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkInterfaceNames#predictable> and <https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/> |
| 19:50.01 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 19:50.29 | greycat | The most ironic name *ever*. |
| 19:50.38 | Doxin | I mean I get why it's called that |
| 19:50.38 | dominater34 | r |
| 19:50.46 | Doxin | but it's also not very intuitive :P |
| 19:51.13 | dominater34 | sorry, that was a mistake |
| 19:51.31 | greycat | I mentioned the other day that it's really "repeatable", not "predictable". Once you know what a given interface's name is, it's supposed to stay that way. But you really can't guess in advance. |
| 19:51.54 | SerajewelKS | i like the term "stable" |
| 19:52.06 | greycat | yeah, that's a good one |
| 19:52.07 | SerajewelKS | it aligns with what the stable release means |
| 19:52.23 | Doxin | that's a less confusing name for sure |
| 19:52.30 | greycat | (sadly, it's not *true* -- but that was the goal) |
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| 19:54.29 | Razva | is there any tool to configure Samba via UI, especially add folders? |
| 19:54.53 | greycat | use a text editor to edit the /etc/samba/smb.conf file, then reload the service |
| 19:55.02 | Razva | I'm trying to convince somebody to switch to Linux and I'm getting a lot of "resistance" because the lack of GUI tools |
| 19:55.10 | Doxin | greycat: a text editor hardly counts as GUI :P |
| 19:55.10 | greycat | then Debian is not for this person |
| 19:55.19 | greycat | he did not say "GUI" originally. |
| 19:55.26 | Doxin | fair enough |
| 19:55.33 | Razva | well, I've tried CentOS today as well, and Ubuntu, and Debian |
| 19:55.48 | Razva | the problem is that none of those have tools for basically ... configuring stuff |
| 19:55.49 | greycat | Ubuntu might fit this person's needs better than Debian |
| 19:55.54 | Doxin | I'd steer em towards linux mint or ubuntu, though if ubuntu isn't GUI-enough I doubt linux mint would be okay |
| 19:55.57 | greycat | CentOS would be even worse |
| 19:56.12 | Razva | greycat: yup, CentOS failed miserably :D |
| 19:56.25 | Doxin | pretty sure you can get samba sharing working though whatever the gnome file manager is called |
| 19:56.29 | Razva | Debian is ok-ish until now, but I cannot really find replacement apps |
| 19:56.36 | mutante | How is KDE or GNOME on Debian "less GUI" than Ubuntu though? Ubuntu even gave up on Unity. |
| 19:56.53 | Razva | I've setup gadmin-samba, but it fails to work properly |
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| 19:57.09 | Doxin | mutante: ubuntu has it all set up in a nice default config, which is nice if you dont care about customizing things |
| 19:57.29 | mutante | Doxin: hmm.. i install Debian and also dont customize things :) |
| 19:57.47 | theciaguy | Ubuntu has Amazon crap baked in. |
| 19:57.54 | Doxin | mutante: I haven't done that in years so I dunno how it is these days |
| 19:58.22 | Doxin | theciaguy: yeah I'd avoid ubuntu and favor linux mint, but honestly for someone who comes from windows anything is an improvement |
| 19:58.37 | theciaguy | That's... arguable. |
| 19:58.56 | mutante | Doxin: i would argue it's all the same now |
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| 19:58.59 | Doxin | theciaguy: have you *seen* the shenanigans windows is up to these days? |
| 19:59.15 | Doxin | this is probably not the debate to start right here and now :P |
| 19:59.18 | mutante | Cortana.. so horrible |
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| 19:59.39 | Doxin | mutante: well I was talking more about the self-resetting privacy settings and such, but like I said, this isn't the place or time. |
| 20:00.44 | theciaguy | I've seen a lot more than you're assuming. :) But yeah, not the right place for this. |
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| 20:00.59 | Razva | well...I have a strong feeling that after a whole day of fiddling...she'll stick with Windows |
| 20:01.23 | Doxin | Razva: isn't that how it goes for everyone who tries linux the first time? I had like 5 false starts over the years |
| 20:01.45 | Doxin | haven't used windows personally in a long time now though |
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| 20:02.27 | Razva | the thing is she's not like...the "standard" Word + Chrome user...it's like a "minimal-pro" except the console |
| 20:02.59 | greycat | then why do you think she would want/need a GUI tool to edit smb.conf? |
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| 20:04.06 | Razva | because I just can't say "look, you can't just right click -> share" in Linux, you have to login as your user, then open a console, then sudo, then edit the config, then - hopefully if you didn't made any typos - you need to restart the service. voila! |
| 20:04.30 | greycat | Then Linux is not for her. |
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| 20:04.42 | Razva | it's like doing 10 different things for a task that usually involves a right click and a left click... |
| 20:04.51 | Doxin | greycat: eh you can get pretty far without needing to edit config files these days |
| 20:05.09 | greycat | what kind of sick company would make it easy for users to SHARE their private directories across a LAN with "just a right click and a left click"?! |
| 20:05.20 | Doxin | lol |
| 20:05.26 | Razva | naaah, I'm positive that there is some kind of GUI tool to fiddle with smb.conf |
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| 20:05.38 | Doxin | greycat: I mean you can't deny that it's hella convenient |
| 20:05.47 | greycat | for *what*!? |
| 20:05.52 | Razva | Doxin: it's a recurring theme :)) |
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| 20:06.11 | Doxin | greycat: it's convenient for sharing your private directories across a LAN |
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| 20:06.19 | Razva | you can't do *a lot* of stuff in Linux, it seems, and I'm really not aware of it because I never use/d Linux via GUI |
| 20:06.20 | greycat | and windows people DO THIS? |
| 20:06.43 | SerajewelKS | Razva: you can, though. you just need to read the documentation. |
| 20:06.48 | Doxin | greycat: I'm a linux person and I've got a shared folder set up, I can't be bothered to go walk around with usb-sticks |
| 20:06.57 | Razva | greycat: oooh yes, really often, like "here's a file, I've put it on the network, it's shared there" |
| 20:07.21 | greycat | must be how they compensate for not having basic services like ssh running |
| 20:07.24 | SerajewelKS | i just use an HTTP server for that and give people HTTP links |
| 20:07.26 | Doxin | fair enough |
| 20:07.44 | Doxin | greycat: sftp is basically as convenient aside from needing to have a user account on the target system |
| 20:07.52 | SerajewelKS | because connecting to an smb share is also different on every platform. with an HTTP link most people just click it and they have the file. |
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| 20:08.33 | greycat | my experience with connecting to windows file shares, *FROM WINDOWS MACHINES*, is that it's a massive pain in the ass |
| 20:08.43 | Razva | I agree with you, but the "user" doesn't agrees so... |
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| 20:08.52 | SerajewelKS | also what greycat said |
| 20:09.00 | Razva | greycat: it was on the XP days, now "it works" (C) Apple |
| 20:09.01 | Doxin | greycat: it's a great horror, especially once more than one windows version gets involved |
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| 20:09.02 | SerajewelKS | HTTP is much simpler and works pretty much everywhere |
| 20:09.06 | theciaguy | I guess I'm lucky in that I've NEVER had an issue with that. |
| 20:09.12 | Doxin | greycat: but once it works it's a pretty neat paradigm for file sharing |
| 20:09.15 | greycat | you have to know the hostname, except wait, you can't use the hostname, you have to use the FQDN, except wait, no, not even the FQDN works, you have to use the raw fucking IP address, and the right number of backslashes, ... |
| 20:09.24 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: oh yeah I tend to do that when sharing files to not-lan people, just sftp it to a public http folder on my server and hand people the link |
| 20:09.31 | Doxin | but thats still effort |
| 20:09.50 | Doxin | greycat: you just need to be in the same workgroup and people automatically show up in explorer |
| 20:09.53 | Razva | greycat: you don't have to know anything. you just go to Network, double click the colleague/relative/whatever, drag&drop your stuff, done |
| 20:09.57 | Doxin | greycat: the same workgroup is a fuzzy concept though |
| 20:10.07 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: no it's not, add a symlink /var/www/html/public -> /home/$USER/public |
| 20:10.19 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: then anything they put in that directory is shared with anyone who knows where the HTTP server is |
| 20:10.20 | greycat | Razva: all I can tell you is my experience. |
| 20:10.25 | Razva | OR at home you use HomeGroup, it just shows like an "extra drive" on Explorer |
| 20:10.41 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: eh that works I suppose |
| 20:11.10 | greycat | and my experience is that trying to map a network drive from a Windows PC is extremely challenging |
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| 20:11.13 | Razva | but anyway, I got the idea, I'll keep digging for GUI or try Arch + KDE |
| 20:11.22 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: it'd benefit from some way to explore machines on the local net |
| 20:11.34 | Razva | greycat: it was some years ago, now it's not any more, MS kinda "fixed" it. |
| 20:11.34 | SerajewelKS | greycat: if you can connect to the share, it's not. connecting to the share can be a bitch though. |
| 20:11.56 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: exploring machines implies you don't know what you're looking for |
| 20:11.58 | Razva | as long as everybody is in the same workgroup...welp...it really works |
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| 20:12.14 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: sure, if I have a visitor I dunno their hostname |
| 20:12.31 | Doxin | Razva: unless you're doing sharing between win10 and win7, that just straight up refuses to work as far as I have figured out |
| 20:12.40 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: nmbd can do that without smbd |
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| 20:12.45 | Razva | "what's a hostname? look, it says Jack's PC, I got it" :) |
| 20:13.06 | greycat | Doxin: YAY! It's not just me! |
| 20:13.25 | Razva | Doxin: W7 is kinda "dead", everybody uses W10 nowadays, and Macs |
| 20:13.34 | Doxin | greycat: if everything is the same version it's kinda okay once you've gotten your ccna certificate :P |
| 20:13.35 | greycat | Doxin: seriously though, using the raw IP address \\10.20.30.40\data1 is what usually worked best in my limited experience. |
| 20:13.37 | Doxin | Razva: fair enough |
| 20:13.43 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: we had a windows 7 system that was functioning as a file server. switched it to linux because nothing would work with it anymore. |
| 20:13.54 | SerajewelKS | couldn't connect by name or IP |
| 20:13.57 | Razva | what's an IP and why can't I just double-click Jack's PC as I usually do?! |
| 20:14.14 | Razva | you got the idea... |
| 20:14.46 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: if I had to re-set-up this whole thing I'd probably just set up a server with a publicish sftp and tell the windows folks to use filezilla |
| 20:14.51 | Razva | and trust me Windows users are WAY more advanced than Mac users. Oh Lord all mighty... |
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| 20:15.04 | w1d3m0d3 | I'd suggest not using smb at all |
| 20:15.17 | Razva | "Why did the system let me do this, I was just clicking around, the system shouldn't allow me to break anything!" |
| 20:15.19 | w1d3m0d3 | Just anything related to Microsoft's workgroup stuff is overly painful |
| 20:15.23 | fs1 | Hello, I am on Debian testing, the fans on my nvidia gpu is ramping up and down which is very annoying, nvidia-settings -a "[gpu:0]/GPUFanControlState=1" -a "[fan:0]/GPUTargetFanSpeed=40" does not work it says ERROR: Error assigning value 40 to attribute 'GPUTargetFanSpeed' |
| 20:15.35 | Doxin | Razva: meanwhile OSX is buggy as all fuck, I'm forced to use it daily |
| 20:16.06 | Razva | Doxin: eh, as long as it asks you questions all day long... |
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| 20:16.18 | Razva | Are you sure that are you sure? But really, are you POSITIVE? |
| 20:16.22 | Doxin | lol |
| 20:17.07 | Doxin | Razva: thats an ailment it shares with windows IMO. On my linux machine I've set the powerbutton to just SIGKILL everything, if I forget to save that's on me. |
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| 20:17.25 | Razva | Clicking here will have the result that you are expecting. So, should I assist you on clicking "Yes"? If yes, please click the blue button with the title "Yes". But beware, don't click the "No" button, as it will have the opposite result! |
| 20:18.08 | Razva | Do you want to install the update now? What about in an hour? Or later? Or...maybe tomorrow? |
| 20:18.20 | karlpinc | !tell fs1 about debian-next |
| 20:18.27 | Doxin | I've also not had as much complete system freezes on any system as I do on my work macbook, it's insanity. |
| 20:18.29 | SerajewelKS | this isn't a bash-windows channel |
| 20:18.31 | somiaj | fs1: debian questions should be asked in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:18.32 | Razva | and REALLY Catalina asked me for THREE times if I REALLY want to update a damn app from the AppStore. |
| 20:18.50 | fs1 | Oh, ok, thx |
| 20:19.06 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: we've mostly moved on to bashing osx now ;) |
| 20:19.12 | mutante | Razva: did you forget updating the appstore app first ? jk |
| 20:19.14 | theciaguy | So much butt-crying in here. And a solid half of it is inaccurate bullshit. |
| 20:19.26 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: it's about as helpful |
| 20:19.27 | theciaguy | Wake me up when #debian talks about #debian again |
| 20:19.30 | somiaj | fs1: arg debian testing questions. |
| 20:19.31 | Doxin | SerajewelKS: fair enough |
| 20:19.37 | somiaj | !offtopic |
| 20:19.37 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 20:19.41 | Razva | that being said, thank you for your time, have a cheerful weekend |
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| 20:26.19 | swift110 | How do I add the repository for the debian packages |
| 20:26.27 | swift110 | ? |
| 20:26.51 | greycat | !buster sources.list |
| 20:26.51 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 20:27.56 | somiaj | swift110: I smell an xy problem here, why are you needing to add a repository for the debian packages? What debian version are you running? |
| 20:28.45 | oxek | during debian installation, when setting up partitions, does 1MB = 1000000B or 1024*1024B? |
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| 20:29.10 | greycat | It means whatever your disk decides to do. It may round up. |
| 20:29.28 | oxek | well that sounds arbitrary |
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| 20:29.46 | theciaguy | That's not true. The debian installer has always reported disk sizes in base-10. |
| 20:29.58 | greycat | pick a number, see what happens. if you don't like what happens, delete that partition, and make another one using a different number. |
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| 20:30.26 | oxek | greycat: unfortunately, I cannot get the installer to show it in the byte resolution, only GB and MB, so it's hard to tell |
| 20:30.31 | theciaguy | oxek: Base 10. |
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| 20:30.59 | oxek | theciaguy: thank you |
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| 20:32.04 | Gm4n | I have a md device that is the only member of a LVM physical volume group. I want to rename that md device, but I can't `mdadm --stop` (because of the volume group). How can I change the name? |
| 20:32.44 | theciaguy | oxek: There's been a bug open against debian-installer to recognize or display base-2 size units for seven years, with no real movement. |
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| 20:33.32 | nina22 | https://kingertech.xyz/push/?stream=93a8e928-f299-4536-b3e8-5c16bb55bd62 |
| 20:34.13 | somiaj | nina22: what is that link to? |
| 20:34.18 | theciaguy | Porn. |
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| 20:34.22 | theciaguy | I just pulled the HTML. |
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| 20:34.54 | oxek | theciaguy: that seems to be the case with many debian installer problems... |
| 20:34.55 | greycat | spammed at least one other channel as well |
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| 20:38.25 | oxek | theciaguy: ok, the installer recognizes the 'B' unit, so I just have to manually convert TB to bytes |
| 20:38.26 | oxek | awesome |
| 20:38.34 | theciaguy | oxek: Not quite. Hold on. |
| 20:39.09 | somiaj | oxek: there is sometimes a bit of ronding to meet block bounderies of the disk, but yes the installer knows various MB, KB units too |
| 20:39.16 | theciaguy | oxek: You can round it to 1100G per TiB. |
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| 20:40.02 | oxek | somiaj: doesn't that only happen when using the keywords like 'max'? |
| 20:40.14 | oxek | otherwise it should just respect the size I put, and leave rest as empty free space |
| 20:40.59 | somiaj | oxek: afiak partition table boundries have to appear at block boundries, so you can't get any size you want, but the closest block boundry. |
| 20:41.30 | theciaguy | oxek: No, it's going to round roughly to megabyte boundaries. |
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| 20:41.36 | oxek | somiaj: I guess I never noticed that because I always use powers of two partition sizes |
| 20:42.07 | somiaj | and this as greycat mentioned, depends on the actual disk |
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| 20:57.14 | _ioannis | Hello peeps! |
| 20:57.35 | _ioannis | What's the proper way to save iptables in Debian 10? using iptables-persistent? |
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| 21:07.50 | SerajewelKS | i have a script that builds my tables and execute that in the "up" directive in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:08.16 | SerajewelKS | AIUI there is no "proper way." there's several tools you can use. |
| 21:08.45 | _ioannis | hmm ok! |
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| 21:08.56 | _ioannis | thanks! |
| 21:08.59 | SerajewelKS | np |
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| 21:11.22 | Gm4n | my mdadm raid device renames itself from md0 to md127 on reboot despite mdadm.conf and the device name (seen by `mdadm -Esv`). Supposedly this is related to mdadm.conf in initram; how do I change that? |
| 21:12.07 | theciaguy | Gm4n: Might try regenerating the initramfs. |
| 21:13.52 | Gm4n | as I've never run update-initramfs directly before, is that for /boot/initrd.img? (figuring out which args to use) |
| 21:14.54 | greycat | -u -k all I think |
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| 21:16.26 | Gm4n | thanks, guys! worked with -u only, but doing a `-u -k all` and another reboot to ensure full coverage :) |
| 21:17.10 | greycat | -u alone just does your current kernel's image, not all of them |
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| 21:32.37 | SerajewelKS | Gm4n: also note that usually you can tell whatever uses mdN devices to identify by UUID instead of device number |
| 21:33.18 | SerajewelKS | Gm4n: e.g. my crypttab contains the UUID of the raid (can be found with "mdadm --detail /dev/mdN") so it doesn't matter which number is assigned |
| 21:34.06 | SerajewelKS | "lsblk -o +uuid" is also nice to find UUIDs that can identify a block device |
| 21:35.04 | SerajewelKS | if the thing doesn't natively support uuids (e.g. the special UUID= syntax in fstab and crypttab) then you can usually point at /dev/disk/by-uuid/$UUID instead |
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| 21:39.45 | mason | I tend to get things named and numbered as I like, and then mdadm --detail --scan >> /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf and edit it for ordering and correctness before updating my initramfs(es) |
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| 21:43.17 | velix | Seems like "linux-image-amd64/buster-backports 5.2+107~bpo10+1 amd64" is broken |
| 21:43.31 | rnix | hi, i have a debian 10 and try to setup KVM/QEMU backup/restore from live images. i have a problem with calling virsh blockcommit <domain> <path> --active --pivot |
| 21:43.41 | rnix | i get unable to execute QEMU command 'block-commit': Could not reopen file: Permission denied |
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| 21:45.01 | rnix | looks like apparmor prevents me from writing back the snapshot to base image |
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| 21:46.55 | mason | velix: Unless you have a dire need for a backport kernel, I'd tend to avoid them. |
| 21:47.08 | velix | mason: Just wanted to inform about the problem ;) |
| 21:47.14 | velix | It's in a VM ... just played with it. |
| 21:47.18 | velix | snapshot & revert ;) |
| 21:47.23 | mason | velix: Be worth a bug report then. |
| 21:47.43 | velix | Does this work for backports? I thought, nobody cares for them |
| 21:47.47 | mason | reportbug from your console! |
| 21:47.54 | mason | I would imagine so, but I don't know for sure. |
| 21:48.02 | velix | okay, I'm trying to |
| 21:48.11 | mason | Cool! Thanks for making the world a better place. |
| 21:48.19 | velix | oh my... the dependencies of reportbug are ... urgs ,) |
| 21:48.23 | velix | I'll use the web gui |
| 21:48.30 | mason | Ooh, good luck there. |
| 21:49.03 | rnix | in /etc/apparmor.d/libvirt/libvirt-<UUID>.files, which is created at vm startup, i have a suspicious line like -> deny "/path/to/base.img" w, |
| 21:49.14 | mason | velix: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting - maybe email is the way |
| 21:49.23 | velix | thx |
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| 21:50.57 | rnix | the problem is also reported here https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=932456 |
| 21:50.58 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/932456 in libvirt-daemon-system (open): «libvirt-daemon-system: blockcommit => permission denied»; severity: important; opened: 2019-07-19; last modified: 2019-09-23. |
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| 21:51.13 | rnix | any idea how to fix this without disabling apparmor? |
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| 22:49.37 | nvz | rnix: no as I haven't fooled with AA much, but afaik it has a learning mode |
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| 22:50.45 | mindpixel | Does anyone have a working xorg config file for alps touchpad on a thinkpad t450? |
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| 22:52.27 | mindpixel | by default i have issue with multifingure guestures, specifically selecting text by holding with one finger at the bottom left of the pad and draging to extend the selection with the other. The cursor ends up jumping across the screen. |
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| 23:00.37 | melissa666 | Hey I installed Oracle Java 13 using these instructions: https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/09/install-oracle-java-13-on-ubuntu-linux.html ... I realized that I need to actually use Oracle Java 8 for the app I'm trying to run ... How can I uninstall packages that were updated/installed with the PPA and correctly revert back to default Java? |
| 23:01.03 | melissa666 | So basically, I want to remove the Oracle Java and go back to whatever Debian system default is |
| 23:01.34 | melissa666 | ... but I didn't know if just uninstalling Oracle version was enough, or if I need to reinstall or do something re: configuration, etc |
| 23:01.45 | ksk | melissa666: are you aware, that if oracle java 13 is the latest release, that 8 might be totally outdated? |
| 23:02.02 | melissa666 | ksk - Yes, it is totally outdated. I just need it for this particular app |
| 23:02.11 | ksk | if you installed oracle java via apt, you can remove it via apt. |
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| 23:02.24 | ksk | if it came with an installer, then take a look at the oracle docs on how to uninstall.. |
| 23:03.01 | melissa666 | ksk: I installed via apt with a ppa. Should just uninstalling that version automatically revert to original, and have everything configured properly? |
| 23:03.07 | ksk | eh |
| 23:03.08 | ksk | !ppa |
| 23:03.08 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
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| 23:03.35 | ksk | melissa666: I am not sure what you are asking.. |
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| 23:03.58 | ksk | if you remove java13, it will be removed. if you "apt-get purge" it, it will also remove configfiles |
| 23:04.43 | ksk | if you do not need the PPA after removing the package, id advise in removing that, too (just delete the according .list file, and run apt update) |
| 23:04.49 | melissa666 | Yes, of course it will be removed. What I was asking is if I need to do anything after removing it to reconfigure the system to use the default java, or if default java needs to be reinstalled. |
| 23:04.52 | warsoul | hey guys how is everybody |
| 23:04.59 | warsoul | i just power on my pc |
| 23:05.07 | warsoul | and notice that it boots direct to linux |
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| 23:05.22 | ksk | remembers having a winXP virtual maching with Java6 to RDP to, to use some ancient java-based software :X |
| 23:05.24 | warsoul | didnt see the grub to choose windows or linux like before |
| 23:08.39 | Unit193 | You can also run apt list | grep installed,local to see if you have any remaining packages after you remove that PPA. |
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| 23:09.02 | Unit193 | warsoul: Might be Grub2's more silent mode, if you hit shift after the post screen you'll see the menu. |
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| 23:10.41 | somiaj | there are aptitude commands to list packages from specific repos, or if you remove the repo, you can run 'aptitude search ~o' which searches for obslete packages, or packages not avaiable in your current sources.list |
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| 23:10.56 | somiaj | that won't work if the package as the same name as a debian package, you have to be a little more creative in that case. |
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| 23:11.17 | warsoul | Unit193: shift after is booted on linux? |
| 23:12.08 | Unit193 | warsoul: No, as I said, right after the POST screen. |
| 23:12.28 | warsoul | when i turn on my pc i dont see nothing |
| 23:12.35 | warsoul | just the log in windows of linux |
| 23:12.58 | warsoul | before was grub screen |
| 23:13.21 | Unit193 | somiaj: The command I typed will include versions no longer avilable. :> See also: apt-forktracer |
| 23:13.34 | Unit193 | warsoul: You don't see the screen with your PC's logo? |
| 23:13.45 | warsoul | nop |
| 23:14.34 | Unit193 | You may wish to read up on GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden |
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| 23:26.05 | oxek | what is the 2019 debian consensus on swap file vs swap partition? Especially when running on an encrypted SSD. |
| 23:26.16 | oxek | should I bother setting up a swap partition on a new installation? |
| 23:26.52 | dvs | oxek, only if you want suspend to disk |
| 23:26.59 | ksk | oxek: not debian specific, but maybe take a look here: https://chrisdown.name/2018/01/02/in-defence-of-swap.html |
| 23:28.04 | oxek | suspend to disk doesn't work here anyway |
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| 23:30.53 | oxek | is there any up-to-date reasoning for why debian creates a swap partition by default instead of a swap file then? |
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| 23:32.15 | lupine | who uses the defaults, though? |
| 23:32.42 | ksk | a swap file has potentially lower performance, as there is a filesystem layer in between |
| 23:33.32 | oxek | ksk: is it a significicant enough effect on performance though? Especiall when using SSD? |
| 23:33.49 | oxek | lupine: most people probably, otherwise the defaults would change hopefully |
| 23:34.00 | lupine | amused |
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| 23:34.20 | ksk | I dont know, sorry. |
| 23:34.49 | ksk | in general, swapping is suuuper slow in contrast to using memory, so I would think it does not really matter that much - just guessing though |
| 23:35.07 | lupine | I'd have a bit, but I'd also use a swap file for it |
| 23:35.43 | oxek | lupine: you mean, have a small swap partition, and in case I need more, then create an additional swap file somewhere? |
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| 23:37.51 | lupine | I don't bother with a partition, I just have a small swap file |
| 23:37.57 | lupine | couple of GiB, nothing that gets used much |
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| 23:41.21 | oxek | lupine: I just read that swap files might not be a good idea when they are on a btrfs partition |
| 23:41.26 | oxek | which would be my setup |
| 23:41.42 | lupine | that worry is massively overegged |
| 23:41.55 | lupine | people worry about VMs + btrfs as well, it's fine |
| 23:42.24 | oxek | hmm yeah, VMs would cause same issues, I need to look into this |
| 23:43.14 | lupine | no, honestly, it's fine |
| 23:43.30 | lupine | I ran several PiB of VMs on btrfs filesystems some yearfs back |
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| 23:52.35 | squarecircle | ohai |
| 23:52.48 | squarecircle | I have some FC shelves connected to my server |
| 23:53.24 | squarecircle | and I have some dead disks. Is there a way to let the available disks blink, so that I can remove the dead ones |
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