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| 00:01.45 | w1d3m0d3 | does debian store dmesg somewhere on disk? and does it store some older than the current boot? |
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| 00:04.15 | dvs | w1d3m0d3, /var/log/dmesg |
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| 00:04.43 | w1d3m0d3 | it doesn't exist dvs |
| 00:04.57 | dvs | it does here |
| 00:06.25 | w1d3m0d3 | strange |
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| 00:12.39 | rant | dvs: that hasn't been done since systemd |
| 00:12.56 | rant | it used to be done by /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh back in the day |
| 00:13.23 | rant | these days it gets tossed into journalctl along with everything else |
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| 00:14.28 | dvs | so I'm old fashioned! |
| 00:15.06 | w1d3m0d3 | argh, why though |
| 00:15.38 | rant | yeah well I was contemplating buying an old dot matrix printer to setup somewhere to keep logs before journald came along and made shit even worse than it was |
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| 00:17.56 | rant | I'm thoroughly pissed about it, not because its difficult to re-implement something like a oneshot to dmesg > /var/log/dmesg, but because it no longer does this and so its not there when people come for support.. setting shit like persistent logs up AFTER THE FACT is asinine |
| 00:19.20 | w1d3m0d3 | "Aren't logs supposed to be there to help diagnose a problem after it happens" |
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| 00:20.27 | rant | this is why I've contemplated logging to a tractor-fed dot matrix printer :P |
| 00:20.47 | w1d3m0d3 | that sounds like a cool thing to have just for show :) |
| 00:21.48 | rant | its a cool thing to have when you want a relable log :P |
| 00:21.53 | rant | reliable even |
| 00:22.27 | w1d3m0d3 | I'd prefer something a bit less wasteful, perhaps a device reading from rs232 and writing it onto magnetic tape or a hard disk |
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| 00:24.39 | rant | w1d3m0d3: never underestimate ridiculous.. https://www.pcgamer.com/control-your-internet-bandwidth-with-an-actual-valve/ |
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| 00:25.57 | ZaZaGX | the link from that link won't load for me. i can't see the valve |
| 00:26.12 | rant | besides if you just use smoke signals, you can log to the cloud.. |
| 00:28.40 | rant | natives were logging to the cloud long before we invented the computer.. :D |
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| 00:29.15 | ZaZaGX | i thought the gov miltary made the internet |
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| 00:30.00 | w1d3m0d3 | rant: I wasn't joking with the rs232 device :) |
| 00:30.13 | w1d3m0d3 | a magnetic tape is perfect for sequential access and archiving |
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| 00:32.00 | koollman | w1d3m0d3: not so much for the bandwidth and write patterns of logs, though |
| 00:32.08 | koollman | would need a buffer |
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| 00:38.32 | arandomandy | wc |
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| 00:39.22 | rant | Indian Smoke Signal Tech: its all just one big cloud.. I think its a buffer overflow! Chief: No, his tipi is on fire! |
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| 01:29.06 | ZaZaGX | hi |
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| 02:15.18 | PeekAboo | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.41 | dvs | no! |
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| 03:13.51 | RandomSerb | hello. I've added an apt repo via add-apt-repository |
| 03:14.09 | RandomSerb | now I want to remove said repo, but can't see said repo in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:14.14 | RandomSerb | where could it be |
| 03:14.15 | RandomSerb | ? |
| 03:14.36 | annadane | check /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 03:15.22 | RandomSerb | annadane, and then simply remove the .list file I don't want, right? |
| 03:15.36 | annadane | presumably, or comment it out |
| 03:15.56 | annadane | and then apt update |
| 03:16.10 | RandomSerb | annadane, that worked, thanks! |
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| 03:18.40 | annadane | i've never really used sources.list.d but basically yeah just get rid of what you don't want i guess |
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| 04:03.57 | ZaZaGX | hi |
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| 04:10.52 | Abdullah | ZaZaGX: hello |
| 04:14.32 | ZaZaGX | hi Abdullah |
| 04:16.04 | Abdullah | How are you ? |
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| 04:16.57 | geklmin | Anybody on Testing (Bullseye) ? |
| 04:17.20 | ZaZaGX | geklmin, i'm not. but i did wanted too |
| 04:18.06 | rant | dpkg, testing |
| 04:18.07 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <bullseye>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <buster->bullseye> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
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| 04:23.52 | ZaZaGX | dpkg, unstable |
| 04:23.52 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable . See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
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| 04:24.12 | geklmin | dpkg, break |
| 04:24.12 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or http://bugs.debian.org/155873#10 |
| 04:24.19 | geklmin | dpkg, bullseye |
| 04:24.19 | dpkg | The release following Debian 10 "Buster" is codenamed "Bullseye" (Woody's horse in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 11. It is the current "testing" release. Remember that straight after a stable release, all sorts of mess suddenly lands in "testing" and it is best avoided if you don't like debugging things. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/07/msg00002.html |
| 04:24.50 | geklmin | Huh. Testing has been fine for me so far |
| 04:25.38 | annadane | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.56 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 04:25.57 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 04:25.59 | annadane | geklmin, ^ |
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| 04:27.40 | geklmin | Annadane i'm already there |
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| 04:28.17 | ZaZaGX | how many people are in there? |
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| 04:29.58 | geklmin | Uh, fewer than here |
| 04:30.08 | geklmin | people join and leave constantly tho |
| 04:30.20 | geklmin | I think people who install debian *immediately* open hexchat |
| 04:30.26 | geklmin | and then leave |
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| 04:30.42 | anon | hola |
| 04:31.03 | geklmin | Hola |
| 04:31.08 | anon | amigos |
| 04:31.21 | geklmin | English is the primary language for this channel btw |
| 04:31.25 | anon | do u have telegram group |
| 04:31.56 | Abdullah | geklmin: yeah I'm on bullseye. |
| 04:33.14 | annadane | i have no idea if debian has a telegram group. we have a matrix channel |
| 04:33.33 | annadane | don't know how well telegram supports irc |
| 04:33.50 | ZaZaGX | the matrix? |
| 04:34.04 | geklmin | What do you mean by "Telegram program" do you mean Telnet? |
| 04:34.17 | annadane | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_(protocol) |
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| 04:35.17 | geklmin | cool |
| 04:35.22 | geklmin | You can probably find a matrix for it |
| 04:35.24 | anon | i do log this conversation to my telegram channel https://telegra.ph/file/b037e1dc2245e6a4dc615.jpg |
| 04:35.34 | geklmin | lol just like usenet |
| 04:36.41 | annadane | riot.im is a well known frontend to matrix |
| 04:36.48 | annadane | for instance |
| 04:36.53 | annadane | (that's a website) |
| 04:37.09 | ZaZaGX | whoa |
| 04:38.00 | ZaZaGX | the matrix isn't real. its all in your head |
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| 04:44.43 | timur_davletshin | Client: HexChat 2.14.2 ⢠OS: Debian 10.0 ⢠CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8600 @ 2.40GHz (2.04GHz) ⢠Memory: Physical: 7.4 GiB Total (4.6 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (1.8 GiB Free) ⢠Storage: 1.6 TB / 2.0 TB (343.2 GB Free) ⢠VGA: NVIDIA Corporation MCP89 [GeForce 320M] @ NVIDIA Corporation MCP89 HOST Bridge ⢠Uptime: 14h 7m 10s |
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| 04:49.23 | geklmin | man lots of people are joining and leaving |
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| 04:54.08 | pasiz | No manual entry for lots |
| 04:54.09 | annadane | just turn off the messages... |
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| 04:54.37 | annadane | pasiz, what man page are you trying to access |
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| 04:57.00 | geklmin | man oof |
| 04:57.15 | geklmin | is there no manual entry for oof? |
| 04:57.20 | geklmin | man man |
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| 05:02.55 | geklmin | welcome |
| 05:04.17 | annadane | oh. haha. |
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| 05:07.00 | eblip | hey what do you use for vms on debian ..vmware or busybox or something else |
| 05:07.35 | Abdullah | I have been using vmware, qemu/kvm |
| 05:07.57 | ksk | eblip: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization |
| 05:08.11 | eblip | thanks...s/busybox/virtualbox |
| 05:09.24 | ksk | depends on your needs, which is best. |
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| 05:10.53 | annadane | virt-manager |
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| 05:12.55 | kambei | I don't think virtualbox is in the main repositories for stable |
| 05:13.06 | annadane | it isn't |
| 05:14.35 | geklmin | Strange. I installed Virtualbox while my system was on stbale |
| 05:14.37 | geklmin | *stable |
| 05:14.47 | Unit193 | #794466, #934483. |
| 05:14.48 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/794466 in src:virtualbox (open, stretch, buster, bullseye, sid): «virtualbox: might not be suitable for stable releases due to lack of cooperation from upstream on security support for older releases»; severity: serious; opened: 2015-08-03; last modified: 2019-07-08. |
| 05:15.03 | annadane | it was in stretch, but not buster |
| 05:15.07 | annadane | ,v virtualbox |
| 05:15.08 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 6.0.10-dfsg-4 |
| 05:15.19 | annadane | oh, not even. purely stretch backports |
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| 05:15.36 | annadane | anyway, something to be said for using free software alternatives when possible |
| 05:15.53 | annadane | nvidia not included because nouveau is terrible, and do install microcode |
| 05:15.53 | geklmin | I thought I installed virtualbox while I was on buster stable |
| 05:15.55 | geklmin | HHuh |
| 05:16.01 | geklmin | I must have done it when buster was still in testing |
| 05:17.27 | kambei | You can pull it in if you add external repositories, even on Buster. |
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| 05:18.24 | annadane | side rant: why the hell does virt-manager require you to put in the name of the OS you're virtualizing |
| 05:18.30 | annadane | makes zero fucking sense, terrible design decision |
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| 05:25.49 | geklmin | I installed virtualbox on Buster just by doing apt install virtualbox |
| 05:25.59 | geklmin | It was back when buster was testing tho I think |
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| 05:41.38 | Abdullah | I think I had to install using a .deb I downloaded from their site. |
| 05:41.47 | geklmin | Ah |
| 05:42.09 | Abdullah | and it was testing which is buster now. |
| 05:42.23 | geklmin | virtualbox/now 6.0.4-dfsg-5 amd64 [installed,local] |
| 05:42.23 | geklmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.26 | geklmin | I did an apt search |
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| 05:42.47 | Abdullah | I did too, there is no virtualbox as of now. |
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| 05:43.20 | Abdullah | I prefer qemu/kvm if I had to install it again. |
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| 05:45.05 | finn0 | I want to run jupyter notebook. I've installed python3-notebook package but, couldn't launch jupyter notebook from terminal by jupyter. |
| 05:45.57 | Abdullah | finn0: you dont get an executable or what? |
| 05:46.50 | finn0 | Abdullah: don't get executable. I've also tried to tab for autocompletion. |
| 05:47.19 | finn0 | seems like jupyter may be named as something else on Debian. |
| 05:47.34 | Abdullah | finn0: for autocompletion you should open a new terminal |
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| 05:48.27 | Abdullah | finn0: I used it long ago, it was opening something in a browser |
| 05:48.47 | finn0 | Abdullah: Yes, I'm trying in new terminal. |
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| 05:49.16 | Abdullah | google about it |
| 05:49.18 | finn0 | Abdullah: yes, I also use it but, through `pip` package which I don't want now. |
| 05:50.11 | Abdullah | with pip you have to update manually |
| 05:50.48 | Abdullah | with apt its just apt update and you get updates installed if available |
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| 05:56.14 | finn0 | I think I'm using wrong name of notebook executable name. |
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| 05:56.54 | Agafnd | hey is there a way to determine what packages depend on an installed library? |
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| 05:58.26 | finn0 | Agafnd: apt rdepends package-name |
| 05:58.54 | Agafnd | thanks |
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| 06:02.27 | finn0 | Finally, notebook run. |
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| 06:31.48 | ZaZaGX | hey |
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| 06:39.40 | tsujp | Whats the command to install an `.rpm` package on debian, so `.rpm` to `.deb`? |
| 06:41.50 | ZaZaGX | don't you have to install alien? |
| 06:44.25 | nkuttler | yeah, alient.. but just don't.. |
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| 06:49.53 | jim | alien was a way to install, or convert, other package formats to debs |
| 06:50.39 | jim | if you don't like problems... you don't need another package format |
| 06:51.10 | ZaZaGX | get the source or compile by source than :) |
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| 06:51.36 | ZaZaGX | it is a lot of work thou |
| 06:51.41 | jim | or install packages that are compatible |
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| 06:57.06 | Abdullah | tsujp: Install Fedora in a vm under debian :) |
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| 06:57.20 | Abdullah | if its less work then compiling it |
| 06:59.44 | ZaZaGX | oh my! a linux under a linux machine? |
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| 07:02.44 | Alpha3031 | You can container. Container less RAM. |
| 07:02.52 | Alpha3031 | Or just chroot for that matter. |
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| 07:04.13 | tsujp | hehe |
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| 07:07.25 | Abdullah | remembering the days when I was on crux. Happy days of source based distros :) |
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| 07:08.44 | ZaZaGX | i didn't know how to compile by source and i was 12 years old |
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| 07:09.08 | ZaZaGX | and no internet connection because i couldn't get my 56k modem to work |
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| 07:12.48 | ZaZaGX | what version of Debian was it back in 2001? I didn't even know Debian existed |
| 07:14.01 | Agafnd | debian 2, looks like |
| 07:15.02 | nkuttler | !potato |
| 07:15.02 | dpkg | Potato is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, released August 14th, 2000. It is no longer supported. Ask me about <potato->woody> for upgrade information. See also <potato sources.list>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPotato |
| 07:15.17 | ZaZaGX | Debian 2.2 (Potato) |
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| 07:15.22 | ZaZaGX | yeah lol |
| 07:15.39 | ZaZaGX | i never heard of Debian before. Just Red Hat and Suse |
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| 07:15.54 | nkuttler | there were several 2.x stable releases |
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| 07:18.14 | ZaZaGX | i only heard of Debian later from Ubuntu |
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| 07:18.21 | mallxs | what qualifies a user to be listed in the gdm3 greeter ..... I'm not in it :-( |
| 07:18.59 | rant | ah, I see, well you probably want one of our Probably Secure Doors |
| 07:19.15 | rant | ECHAN |
| 07:19.56 | ZaZaGX | echan? |
| 07:20.06 | mallxs | it dropped me after upgrade to buster |
| 07:20.22 | alkisg | mallxs: what's your uid? below 1000? |
| 07:21.42 | mallxs | Its 1001 and the only diff i can see is, i'm using ksh changed that to bash but that did not help |
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| 07:27.36 | Guest1665 | <sâunda005> Hello guys |
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| 07:33.46 | sansakerta | test |
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| 07:47.32 | ZaZaGX | steve woks? |
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| 07:48.34 | Guest76920 | <sâunda005> (@ZaZaGX): Hello |
| 07:48.44 | Guest76920 | <sâunda005> (@ZaZaGX): Where are you from? |
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| 09:02.38 | centrix | When counting my remaining memory, should I simply rely on sar's average percentage or take also the kbcached, kbbufferes... in account? |
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| 09:03.32 | bhuddah | what do you mean by remaining memory? |
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| 09:12.13 | centrix | bhuddah, The memory to be used by an application that has been tested and watched for its maximal memory consumption (on a different host). |
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| 09:13.11 | bhuddah | centrix: i would probably use the "available" figure provided by "free". |
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| 09:16.29 | centrix | bhuddah, Well, Mem: 16172764 7388408 211428 368100 8572928 7982924 |
| 09:17.46 | bhuddah | centrix: ? |
| 09:17.52 | centrix | 8.5GB buff/cache. Can that be used (pushed into the "available"). |
| 09:18.01 | centrix | If needed? |
| 09:18.22 | bhuddah | centrix: no. that's already included. afaik. |
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| 09:19.16 | centrix | Thus, loading a process that consumes, say 400MB should be killed with "Cannot allocate memory". |
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| 09:20.01 | bhuddah | "available" is the last column. |
| 09:23.03 | Bushmills | but unused ("free") memory is wasted memory |
| 09:23.24 | Bushmills | reliable way to make memory unused is to remove it from the computer |
| 09:24.29 | bhuddah | centrix: what are you trying to do? |
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| 09:24.59 | centrix | Bushmills, Well, reliable way to make your life happier is to throw PCs to trash. |
| 09:26.00 | Bushmills | I can be sure about removing memory makes it uused, but about trashing my pcs, that's merely speculation |
| 09:26.25 | Bushmills | Therefore I state a fact, you're merely blindly guessing |
| 09:26.30 | centrix | bhuddah, I am trying to reliably :) test whether a new app that has been tested will fit in my PROD system. Thus, I'll need enough memory for it say so. |
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| 09:27.17 | bhuddah | centrix: i think your approach is flawed. |
| 09:27.24 | centrix | Bushmills, Nope. Are you spending your vacation/free time glued to a keyboard? |
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| 09:27.39 | centrix | bhuddah, may be. That is why we are discussing here :) |
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| 09:27.59 | Bushmills | I'd be here more frequently if that was the case, rather than the 1 or 2 hours per day |
| 09:28.13 | centrix | Bushmills, :) |
| 09:28.52 | Guest76920 | <sâunda005> (@centrix): Hello |
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| 09:29.00 | bhuddah | centrix: so how much ram do you have? only 16GB? is that a container? how big will the app grow? |
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| 09:29.05 | Guest76920 | <sâunda005> (@trolling): Lmao troll |
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| 09:31.28 | centrix | bhuddah, I am trying to figure out a system. My notebook has 16GB. The tester person says the app takes 400MB max. Now I need to reliable say that I can run, say 4 concurrent tasks of the app. No children. Real single tasks. |
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| 09:32.24 | bhuddah | centrix: just add some swap and it'll reliably work. |
| 09:32.25 | centrix | My OS reports 7.3GB being used. Logically I have still plenty, but the OS also report 8.5GB buff/cached. |
| 09:32.49 | bhuddah | use the "available" column... as i said. |
| 09:32.49 | centrix | bhuddah, That is the last and unwanted solution. |
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| 09:33.24 | bhuddah | what is available will be used by apps. |
| 09:34.04 | Bushmills | much of buffered memory is used for buffering because there's no better use for it. Linux wants to use RAM. As soon it's needed otherwise, it's freely given, by not buffering some of the buffered stuff any linger. |
| 09:34.06 | Bushmills | longer |
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| 09:34.55 | centrix | Bushmills, Yes, that is what I wanted explained. |
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| 09:36.03 | centrix | 7.3GB used plus 8.5GB buff/cache cannot give 7.5GB available unless the cache/buff can be "pushed" out by requirements. |
| 09:36.18 | bhuddah | *le sigh* |
| 09:36.36 | jelly | centrix: that's precisely what happens with most of "cache/buffers" when needed |
| 09:36.54 | Bushmills | for "freeing", consider to run a small app which simply allocated plenty of memory. It may even be have to be filled with random. Then terminated that program again. |
| 09:37.19 | Bushmills | did I really say "app" - oh my |
| 09:37.28 | jelly | "available" just gives a decent estimation of how much is actually, well, available, as it's not 100% of cache+buffers but slightly less |
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| 09:38.06 | centrix | bhuddah, I misunderstood. Well, no its clear, I think. |
| 09:38.09 | bhuddah | there are some write buffers and so on. |
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| 09:40.02 | centrix | bhuddah, Good. Now I understand where actually the "Available" comes from. |
| 09:40.32 | bhuddah | this wasn't your question tho... but alright. you could've just read the docs... |
| 09:40.41 | humpled | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.51 | centrix | bhuddah, it is better to ask sometimes, though it may sound "funny". Thanks. |
| 09:42.20 | bhuddah | centrix: happens. welcome. |
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| 10:59.50 | humpled | oh the output from has changed between deb 8 and 9, |
| 10:59.56 | humpled | output of free |
| 11:00.50 | Bushmills | that's probably why one should be careful parsing output of such utilities in scripts |
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| 11:02.22 | humpled | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1158828 |
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| 12:14.32 | Chaekyung | happy birthday debian |
| 12:14.46 | fseit | Hello everyone |
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| 12:15.34 | fseit | Do anyone know if qemu will be updated on sid/testing to version 4.x? in the next months? |
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| 12:25.17 | jelly | fseit: a good question for the #debian-next channel on irc.oftc.net, the answer is usually "probably" |
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| 12:37.57 | humpled | kind of depends on your environment and the thing you want to mount |
| 12:38.16 | humpled | usually the desktop session will help you |
| 12:38.51 | humpled | at the basic level, the superuser can add a specific entry to /etc/fstab with the option "user" |
| 12:42.00 | fseit | jelly: thank you |
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| 12:42.45 | fseit | I canta access #debian-next invite is required |
| 12:44.04 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 12:44.04 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:44.15 | petn-randall | fseit: ^^^ it's on a different network. |
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| 12:48.56 | fseit | gonna go there then, tyvm |
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| 13:35.18 | greycat | https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/105 |
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| 13:56.03 | netcrash | Hello, trying to do a rename in bash of archives of the name index.html?name=SOMENAME.png to SOMENAME.png , any sugestion on how to do this? |
| 13:56.14 | netcrash | Tried the following: find ./6157/ -iname "index\.html*" -exec rename index.html?name= z_ {} \; |
| 13:56.28 | greycat | oh, you need it to be recursive? well, ok, there goes my first approach. |
| 13:56.37 | netcrash | didn't work because of error Not enough arguments for index at (user-supplied code), near "index." syntax error at (user-supplied code) line 3, at EOF |
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| 13:57.16 | greycat | find ./6157/ -iname "index\.html*" -exec sh -c 'for f; do mv "$f" "${f#*name=}"; done' x {} + |
| 13:57.51 | greycat | oh, by the way, you don't need that backslash in the argument of -iname |
| 13:58.12 | greycat | -iname "index.html*" should be good |
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| 13:58.59 | greycat | oh, ... wait, that find command I gave won't work because of the directory names |
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| 13:59.57 | netcrash | greycat: almost there, I need the file to stay in the directory where it was |
| 14:00.50 | greycat | find ./6157/ -iname "index\.html*" -exec sh -c 'for f; do dir=${f%/*}; base=${f##*/}; mv "$f" "$dir/${base#*name=}"; done' x {} + |
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| 14:01.23 | greycat | find ./6157/ -iname "index.html*" -exec sh -c 'for f; do dir=${f%/*}; base=${f##*/}; mv "$f" "$dir/${base#*name=}"; done' x {} + |
| 14:01.26 | greycat | stupid backslash |
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| 14:02.47 | koollman | rename was invented for pretty good reasons, it seems :) |
| 14:03.18 | greycat | the non-recursing version would have been about 1/4 as ugly |
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| 14:03.59 | koollman | rename -n 's/index.html\?name=//' |
| 14:04.14 | koollman | instead of the sh -c part |
| 14:04.23 | koollman | (and -n so it will not actually do changes. to check :) ) |
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| 14:13.07 | netcrash | greycat: thank you |
| 14:13.15 | netcrash | greycat: worked nicelly |
| 14:13.31 | netcrash | koollman: will be noted for the next time, thank you |
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| 14:15.00 | netcrash | interesting you end the command with + instead of \; |
| 14:15.14 | koollman | + allows for parallel execution |
| 14:15.27 | greycat | Not parallel. Multiple filenames per sh invocation. |
| 14:15.36 | greycat | Thus, the for loop inside sh. |
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| 14:16.26 | alkisg | https://wiki.debian.org/sudo says "As of DebianSqueeze, if you give root an empty password during installation...the user will be added to the sudo group) |
| 14:16.26 | alkisg | Is this true for both the text mode and the live installer? |
| 14:16.53 | jelly | alkisg: text mode, yes. Live installer, no idea. |
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| 14:17.40 | alkisg | Thank you jelly, I'll give it a try with the buster mate live if noone knows that off-hand |
| 14:20.45 | koniu | heyup, im having a prolem with screenblanking since upgrading my laptop to buster |
| 14:21.51 | koniu | most of the time when after the screen blanks, nothing brings it back on except ctrl+alt+f# switch to text console |
| 14:22.09 | koniu | i can then switch back to graphical console with ctrl+alt+f7 |
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| 14:22.22 | koniu | any ideas of how to debug this? |
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| 14:38.49 | karlpinc | koniu: Maybe go into your desktop's control panel and start by messing around with the screensaver? If you turn that off and the problem goes away you've narrowed it down. |
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| 14:44.07 | koniu | karlpinc: thanks, i'll try that.. im not using a desktop environment, just i3wm but i do have some xset clauses in my Xsession file... just commented them out |
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| 15:01.12 | n_1-c_k | koniu, if you have ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log or the like, try for clues there |
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| 15:01.23 | koniu | hmmm, yea it's definitely the xset messing things up but how! (http://paste.debian.net/1095985/) |
| 15:01.28 | karlpinc | koniu: Yes, what n_1-c_k said. Logs are always good. |
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| 15:02.56 | akbar | Im a beginner. |
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| 15:11.54 | koniu | n_1-c_k: hmmm i do have that file but its old, current Xorg logs only in /var/log/Xorg.0.log -> http://paste.debian.net/1095989/ |
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| 15:13.26 | koniu | only stuff relating to the subsequent switching of console appears |
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| 15:14.26 | koniu | its proper annoying having to use a 3-finger salute to bring the screen back lol |
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| 15:20.18 | koniu | a-hah.. maybe it's lightdm doing sth weird |
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| 15:20.38 | koniu | from /var/log/lightdm/... http://paste.debian.net/1095990/ |
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| 15:27.42 | SerajewelKS | fun fact: upgrading an EC2 from stretch to buster resets the hostname |
| 15:28.28 | greycat | is the hostname dynamically generated from the network interface name or something? |
| 15:28.41 | SerajewelKS | only at "first boot" |
| 15:28.55 | SerajewelKS | somehow the boot following the upgrade also counts as "first" |
| 15:29.02 | jelly | how does it know which "boot" is "first" "?" |
| 15:29.09 | SerajewelKS | that's a great question |
| 15:29.18 | greycat | apparently it doesn't |
| 15:30.12 | SerajewelKS | i can confirm that setting the hostname following the upgrade and rebooting doesn't reset it |
| 15:31.05 | mallxs | After update to buster my account did not show in gdm3 greeter and not in settings->Details->Users , in the passwd i had the /bin/ksh seems that the update flaged me as SystemAccount in /var/lib/AccountsService/users/<username> I had to change that to false and change my shell to /bin/bash |
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| 15:31.12 | SerajewelKS | my backup auditing script went nuts this morning that a bunch of backups weren't taken... they were... just under the wrong hostname *plonk* |
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| 15:31.40 | mallxs | Quastion is where does gnome sets what shell is allowed to be seen as a normal user ? |
| 15:32.11 | SerajewelKS | mallxs: i'd assume it just reads /etc/shells |
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| 15:32.34 | mallxs | SerajewelKS: will check that |
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| 15:34.08 | greycat | "allowed"? "seen"? |
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| 15:34.28 | mallxs | SerajewelKS: that correct, thanks |
| 15:34.34 | greycat | I don't think you're asking the question you really want to ask.... |
| 15:34.41 | koniu | hmm, nah, same thing with slim and back to lightdm after purge and reinstall |
| 15:35.00 | greycat | maybe SerajewelKS successfully read their mind and discovered the REAL question, which was apparently, "where does chsh keep the list of allowed login shells" |
| 15:35.04 | koniu | 3~3~3~ |
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| 15:39.35 | Abdullah | someone able to hibernate with systemd logind? |
| 15:39.50 | Abdullah | I'm able to do suspend to RAM only |
| 15:40.08 | Abdullah | Failed to hibernate system via logind: Sleep verb "hibernate" not supported |
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| 15:40.43 | Abdullah | OUTPUT OF `systemctl hibernate` |
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| 16:22.05 | anti | dont know if its distro doing it.running MX.photos wont load onto tweets.logged into twit via tor browser.simple jpeg/png etc. files... |
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| 16:30.04 | petn-randall | !mxlinux |
| 16:30.04 | dpkg | Current MX Linux is based on Debian stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at https://mxlinux.org/. |
| 16:30.23 | petn-randall | anti: You can ask in their support channels. ^^^ |
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| 16:32.10 | filpAM | !gentoo |
| 16:32.10 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux (formerly Enoch Linux) is a ports-based Linux distribution for x86, PowerPC and Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. For a satirical take on it see http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ , http://bash.org/?464385 and ask me about <greenhouse>, <funroll-loops>. #gentoo on irc.freenode.net |
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| 16:32.58 | petn-randall | !funroll-loops |
| 16:32.58 | dpkg | -funroll-loops is a favorite compile time flag of the -O9999999 crowd. It's also an interesting collection of observations about the "compile everything with random CFLAGS" phenomenon which is sweeping the land, and which <Gentoo> is a prime example. See https://funroll-loops.teurasporsaat.org/ |
| 16:33.15 | petn-randall | hehehehe |
| 16:33.30 | jelly | some of that crap might be removed from the bot, might have been funny in 2003 |
| 16:34.02 | filpAM | !debian |
| 16:34.02 | dpkg | i heard debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 16:34.02 | greycat | But is it still *accurate*? |
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| 16:35.01 | jelly | if anything, gentoo is probably lots more modern and sane in its build settings than debian is right now |
| 16:35.15 | jelly | esp. security-wise |
| 16:35.21 | greycat | well, https://funroll-loops.teurasporsaat.org/ isn't resolving for me, but that might be my corporate proxy... |
| 16:35.36 | greycat | no, doesn't resolve from home either |
| 16:35.58 | coruja | confirmed |
| 16:37.02 | jelly | prepend https://web.archive.org/web/-1/ for a chance of reading something |
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| 16:37.27 | greycat | https://web.archive.org/web/20181217125236/http://funroll-loops.teurasporsaat.org/ |
| 16:38.01 | acu-142 | greycat: I edited my crontab with the following: @reboot cd /home/username/script/; ./python3 script.py & and I can't get my python script to run\run in the background on boot. I placed that in crontab -e it always works for other programs. If I manually ./python3 script.py it works. |
| 16:39.01 | greycat | acu-142: failing to check cd's exit status is a bug. Putting & at the end of a cron job is *pointless*. It's already running without a controlling terminal. It's already NOT bottlenecking future cron jobs. What did you expect the & to do? |
| 16:39.19 | anti | petn-randall, searched irc[freenode] gave only two twit ch.s about the api wth about 15 users... |
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| 16:40.01 | acu-142 | What should I change it to? |
| 16:40.02 | anti | petn-randall, MX has no irc |
| 16:40.29 | greycat | cd /place && ./mypythonscript |
| 16:40.49 | greycat | or fix the python script so that it doesn't need to be in /place to run, and then just run /place/mypythonscript |
| 16:40.56 | acu-142 | thank you |
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| 16:41.42 | acu-142 | greycat: normally if I do that it runs python2.7 though |
| 16:41.49 | acu-142 | *2 instead of 3 |
| 16:41.55 | acu-142 | hence I specify python3 |
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| 16:42.42 | coruja | anti, that's mx linux' problem then, not debian's - sorry if that sounds rude but any derivate/fork of debian isn't supported here |
| 16:42.50 | jelly | acu-142: putting #!/usr/bin/python3 as the first line of the script should not be hard |
| 16:42.59 | filpAM | Somehow, when I upgraded to debian 10, there are now two /dev/video* devices: /dev/video0, /dev/video1, obviously the latter doesn't works, my laptop only has one integrated webcam... |
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| 16:43.11 | acu-142 | jelly: thank you |
| 16:44.07 | greycat | Now we wait for the REAL problem to be revealed. Whatever that may be. My money is on "It runs too early! Stuff that it needs isn't up yet!" |
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| 16:45.01 | acu-142 | It runs too early! |
| 16:45.02 | acu-142 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.02 | jelly | reveals himself to greycat |
| 16:45.07 | filpAM | btw, this is the error output of ffplay /dev/video1: http://paste.debian.net/1095998/ |
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| 16:47.00 | greycat | acu-142: if that's a serious response, then (1) get rid of the cron job. (2) figure out which systemd services must be running before your script can run. (3) write a systemd unit file that runs your script after the other services are up. (4) various systemctl commands to install your new service. |
| 16:47.07 | acu-142 | I was just joking |
| 16:47.08 | acu-142 | sorry |
| 16:47.54 | anti | coruja, yes this i know.im seeing if anyone running debian is having same/similar issues as jessie IS its own distro as well. |
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| 16:58.21 | BCMM | anti: jessie is an obsolete debian release, not its own distro |
| 16:59.01 | greycat | jessie is still receiving *some* support via LTS, but not full support |
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| 17:10.30 | _2E0LNX | Q: Does Debian 10 do AMD CPU microcode patching? |
| 17:11.06 | greycat | ,v amd64-microcode |
| 17:11.07 | judd | Package: amd64-microcode on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 2.20160316.1~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 3.20160316.3; stretch-backports/non-free: 3.20181128.1~bpo9+1; bullseye/non-free: 3.20181128.1; buster/non-free: 3.20181128.1; sid/non-free: 3.20181128.1 |
| 17:11.15 | greycat | If you install that package (from non-free), it will. |
| 17:11.27 | jelly | non-free repo is NOT enabled by default |
| 17:11.30 | _2E0LNX | awesome sauce, thanks foe that |
| 17:11.55 | _2E0LNX | I am aware that I need to manually facilitate non-free, just wanted to be sure that it would work :-D |
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| 17:15.00 | _2E0LNX | I've a bunch of machines I want patched, looking to do a small install on a portable drive with those packages on, then go machine to machine with the portable drive |
| 17:15.51 | greycat | ... so the machines in question aren't actually *running* Debian? |
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| 17:16.15 | _2E0LNX | not at the mo |
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| 17:18.04 | Dark | can someone help me out with this issue https://pastebin.com/Z50niHRS |
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| 17:18.51 | _2E0LNX | Dark: something else already on that port |
| 17:19.06 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/Microcode says "A microcode update is kept in volatile memory, thus the BIOS/UEFI or kernel updates the microcode during every boot." |
| 17:19.11 | Dark | I cannot remove it or nothing |
| 17:19.45 | _2E0LNX | Dark: check output of 'netstat -ntlp' to see what else is on port 80 |
| 17:20.24 | Dark | tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN |
| 17:21.08 | Dark | there we go |
| 17:21.12 | greycat | Unless the wiki is lying about this, you need to install the microcode updates into whatever operating system the machines are *actually* running, so it can be applied every time they boot. |
| 17:21.17 | Dark | I stop apache2 deamon |
| 17:21.21 | greycat | It's not a one-time thing. |
| 17:21.22 | Dark | and removed it |
| 17:21.38 | Dark | nice, I got scared. |
| 17:22.22 | Dark | thanks a lot for the hand _2E0LNX |
| 17:23.17 | _2E0LNX | greycat: oh... fudge |
| 17:25.14 | _2E0LNX | no prob Dark |
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| 17:30.33 | murii | How can I identify which font I'm currently having in my terminal? |
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| 17:33.10 | filpAM | what is your terminal? |
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| 17:33.44 | murii | filpAM: terminator |
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| 17:36.55 | filpAM | Oh,I use xfce4-terminal, that depends upon your terminal configurations, check out their official docs or hopefully there is someone here who also uses terminator |
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| 17:44.58 | humpled | terminator config is in ~/.config/terminator/ |
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| 17:57.25 | choice | Can I use a full block device as the base for cryptsetup? I mean like "cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sdb" without partitioning /dev/sdb? |
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| 18:06.19 | geklmin | Real quick I want to tell y'all, I just figured out how to use update-alternatives to add text editors |
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| 18:06.36 | greycat | "update-alternatives --config editor"? |
| 18:06.45 | geklmin | No, I mean install *new* editors |
| 18:06.55 | geklmin | I wanted to install micro and make it the default |
| 18:07.17 | geklmin | update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/editor editor /usr/bin/micro 120 |
| 18:07.28 | geklmin | then i did the config thing |
| 18:07.32 | geklmin | and picked micro out of the list |
| 18:07.33 | geklmin | :) |
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| 18:22.27 | geklmin | could y'all make up your mind and just stay in #debian instead of joining and leaving constantly |
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| 18:30.53 | BazookaTooth | o_O |
| 18:31.19 | annadane | you were going on about this yesterday |
| 18:31.25 | annadane | it's not worth continuing to comment on |
| 18:31.27 | annadane | !chat |
| 18:31.27 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:44.00 | ilikeyou | Bushmills: as per yesterdays debian-live iso creation issue.. seems to be working on a new install. not sure what the issue was before. there was a system hang at boot as well. Works now though. it pulls from the Stretch repo as default still. |
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| 18:49.29 | DracoSentien | During install the debian installer does not see my wifi firmware on my second USB stick so is the busybox full featured enough so I can just use insmod instead ? |
| 18:50.26 | jmcnaught | You could use the installer that includes non-free firmware: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.0.0+nonfree/ |
| 18:50.44 | DracoSentien | or modprobe rather |
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| 18:51.14 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 18:51.14 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 18:51.38 | karlpinc | DracoSentien: Are you using the above? It helps with installs with firmware problems. |
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| 18:51.41 | DracoSentien | karlpinc: nope that iso does not contain all non-free firmware blobs |
| 18:51.42 | greycat | I wonder if anyone in this entire channel has *ever* loaded firmware from a second medium during the install, rather than just using the non-free installer. |
| 18:52.04 | DracoSentien | greycat: the iso that includes firmware excludes my firmware |
| 18:52.08 | karlpinc | I did, once. |
| 18:52.15 | DracoSentien | greycat: it is athk10 QCA9337 or something |
| 18:52.39 | DracoSentien | greycat: well I installed Debian for the first time back in like 1998 or 1999 with debian slink |
| 18:52.49 | DracoSentien | greycat: the installer seemed more flexible then |
| 18:53.00 | greycat | maybe karlpinc knows how ;-) |
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| 18:53.14 | zenix_2k2 | 3 |
| 18:53.21 | zenix_2k2 | opps srry, nvm |
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| 18:53.48 | DracoSentien | greycat: it sucks to install debian I have plug my laptop into a physical ethernet connection I'd rather use wifi |
| 18:55.02 | DracoSentien | of course after install it is easy to install the wifi driver but that is besides the point |
| 18:55.17 | fw_ | hi ppl |
| 18:56.45 | DracoSentien | greycat: anyway, non-free installer does not have my wifi driver |
| 18:56.46 | greycat | https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch06s04.en.html <- official instructions for putting firmware on a second medium to be used during install. |
| 18:57.02 | greycat | apparently one person in here claims that it worked one time |
| 18:57.42 | DracoSentien | greycat: I think I read that before but I'll read it again I think it says it needs to be extracted (non-condensed) on a medium and it supports FAT32 etc... |
| 18:57.49 | fw_ | draco ??? did you ever try MX linux ? you can use a win driver install built right in |
| 18:57.54 | DracoSentien | greycat: I tried that but I'll read again |
| 18:58.12 | DracoSentien | fw_: I am using mxlinux right now I installed it over arch linux |
| 18:58.34 | fw_ | in tools |
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| 18:59.44 | DracoSentien | fw_: I like vanilla linux like slackware and debian it is just that slackware has not had a release in like 3 years and some packages at slackbuilds.org do no support slackware-current |
| 18:59.54 | DracoSentien | mxlinux has too much modifications |
| 19:00.44 | fw_ | i like it cuz I dont have to prgram anything |
| 19:01.17 | DracoSentien | oh, anyway I think I found out where I messed up the firmware packages must be in a directory called /firmware |
| 19:01.25 | DracoSentien | later ya'll I fixed my problem |
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| 19:16.03 | greycat | most client require a / character for their commands. "/join #help" for example. |
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| 19:26.10 | tremon | hi all, does anyone have any pointers/instruction on how to debug a segfaulting X11 session manager? |
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| 19:26.28 | tremon | to be specific, gnome-shell gets consistently killed by signal 11 since upgrading to buster |
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| 19:27.08 | tremon | I get no backtraces, no coredumps, and the amount of indirection between gdm and/or xinit leaves me confused on how I would run this under gdb |
| 19:28.01 | greycat | If the process is alive long enough for you to open a terminal and type some commands, you can attach to it from within gdb. |
| 19:28.21 | tremon | I'll try, but it doesn't |
| 19:28.45 | tremon | the screen display switch takes longer than gnome-session's lifetime |
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| 19:29.49 | tremon | I don't have the exact error available (will go back tomorrow to debug further), but right now I don't have a clue how to approach this |
| 19:30.17 | hop | if in doubt run in circles, scream and shout |
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| 19:31.07 | tremon | already tried that one, well without the running part ;) |
| 19:32.37 | tremon | btw sddm and plasma-desktop start fine, it's really somewhere in the depths of gnome/gtk that the crash happens |
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| 19:32.59 | tremon | eventually, the segfault happens inside libc6 so I really need a backtrace |
| 19:33.04 | jhutchins | tremon: Have you looked at Xorg.0.log? |
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| 19:33.46 | tremon | I couldn't find anything interesting there |
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| 19:33.52 | jhutchins | tremon: Starting gnome launches a LOT of processes, it could be any of them. |
| 19:34.17 | tremon | gnome-shell seems to log more through journald than Xorg |
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| 19:35.04 | tremon | it logs a lot of warnings, but I haven't found a smoking gun yet |
| 19:35.32 | tremon | the machine has been dist-upgraded a number of times, maybe a reinstall isn't such a bad idea |
| 19:35.46 | tremon | but I hate not being able to answer the why? question ;) |
| 19:38.25 | jhutchins | We always tell the customer that why costs a lot more than fixed. |
| 19:38.57 | tremon | true |
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| 19:40.57 | tremon | I'll see if I can enable core dumps |
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| 19:41.35 | rant | just tell em the flux capacitor needed to be charged to 1.21 gigawatts |
| 19:41.50 | tremon | related question: the crash gets logged as pool[$PID]: segfault at 0 (ip sp error in libc6-$version etc) |
| 19:42.18 | tremon | but I haven't been able to find a binary named "pool", so I guess some program rewrites its argv[0] |
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| 19:43.20 | tremon | is there a way to find out (from a coredump) which binary it belongs to? |
| 19:43.38 | greycat | "file core" usually says |
| 19:43.47 | tremon | good, thanks |
| 19:43.55 | tremon | I know there's /proc/$PID/exe, but that requires me catching a very-shortlived process in the act |
| 19:45.10 | rant | pool indicayes a thread pool |
| 19:45.30 | tremon | aha, that makes sense |
| 19:46.23 | tremon | then the segfault happens while spawning a thread? |
| 19:46.36 | rant | or executing one |
| 19:46.59 | rant | its commonly a null ptr or somethin stupid |
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| 19:47.11 | tremon | well at least I don't have to look further for a binary named pool |
| 19:47.22 | greycat | signal 11 has also been associated with failing hardware ("bad RAM"), historically |
| 19:47.32 | rant | SIGSEGV is a memory error. |
| 19:48.18 | tremon | true, but the timing (directly after dist-upgrade) and the fact that plasma-desktop works fine leads me to suspect software this time |
| 19:48.44 | rant | usually indicates access of memory that doesnt belong to a process or a null pointer |
| 19:49.19 | rant | or it can be hw pr manually raised of course |
| 19:49.49 | greycat | I think we can rule out "someone ran kill -SEGV", tentatively. |
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| 19:50.26 | tremon | next time I will disconnect ethernet to be absolutely sure |
| 19:50.36 | rant | i use a sigsegv often if a prob wont respond.. the kernel doesnt play around with memory violations |
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| 19:51.08 | hop | that doesn't sound cargo-culty at all |
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| 19:53.54 | tremon | good, thanks for the advice |
| 19:54.08 | tremon | I have some more things to try tomorrow now |
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| 19:54.49 | B1ack0p | hi again.. |
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| 20:13.57 | B1ack0p | i installed keyboard layouts plugin to xfce but it doesnt switch keyboards when i click |
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| 20:14.13 | rocketmagnet | how to install firestarter in debian ? the tutorials tell me they are in the debian repos but my apt-get can't find it |
| 20:14.23 | Habbie | ,v firestarter |
| 20:14.24 | B1ack0p | i mean it switches by icons on there but it doesnt actually switches |
| 20:14.24 | judd | No package named 'firestarter' was found in amd64. |
| 20:14.31 | Habbie | rocketmagnet, what tutorial tells you that? |
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| 20:15.51 | rocketmagnet | i'll find it out somehow... |
| 20:15.58 | rocketmagnet | the tutorial was for ubuntu |
| 20:16.56 | jhutchins | B1ack0p: How did you set up the alternate layouts? |
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| 20:17.33 | B1ack0p | jhutchins: in keyboard settings in debian |
| 20:18.45 | B1ack0p | it says Keyboard model: generic 105-key PC (intl) |
| 20:19.06 | B1ack0p | change layout option:- compose key:- |
| 20:20.04 | greycat | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firestarter seems to be saying that the package is in Ubuntu. Of course we have no idea whether that's the page rocketmagnet was reading, because of course rocketmagnet couldn't just TELL us what page they were reading. |
| 20:20.33 | greycat | Also from here I learn that firestarter is apparently some sort of graphical front-end to firewall management. |
| 20:20.58 | greycat | As a graphical sysadmin tool, I would have to assume it is full of bugs, and absolutely positively will not run under Wayland no matter what. |
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| 20:21.41 | Habbie | greycat, that's what Xwayland is for, right? |
| 20:21.59 | Habbie | i also saw no indication rocketmagnet is running wayland |
| 20:22.01 | greycat | If I make some more assumptions, which I'm free to do since nobody is chiming in with actual knowledge, it is most likely a front-end to iptables, not to nftables, or whatever the firewall flavor of the month is for Linux. |
| 20:22.40 | Habbie | that url you pasted notes, and packages.ubuntu.com agrees, that it has been removed from ubuntu some time ago too |
| 20:22.55 | Habbie | that url also agrees with you that it is for iptables |
| 20:22.59 | jhutchins | B1ack0p: So maybe you have the switcher but no alternate layouts. These tend to be by language and/or nationality. |
| 20:23.02 | jhutchins | locales |
| 20:23.08 | jhutchins | !locales |
| 20:23.09 | dpkg | Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 20:23.11 | Habbie | which, for a product discontinued somewhere between 2005 and 2012, is not so weird |
| 20:23.13 | Habbie | but it's all moot |
| 20:23.23 | B1ack0p | jhutchins: i dont want to change system language. |
| 20:23.33 | B1ack0p | it is English but my keyboard is not English |
| 20:23.54 | B1ack0p | i wanna keep system language in English and change just keyboard layout.. |
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| 20:24.14 | B1ack0p | i have 2 keyboards 1. laptop (non-english) and 2. external (us english) |
| 20:24.18 | B1ack0p | so i need both layouts |
| 20:24.24 | jhutchins | !keymap |
| 20:24.24 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 20:24.34 | B1ack0p | it was easy in ubuntu.. |
| 20:24.37 | B1ack0p | and windows also |
| 20:24.50 | B1ack0p | why complicated in debian or xfce? |
| 20:24.59 | jhutchins | B1ack0p: Debian requires you to actually use your brain. |
| 20:25.16 | B1ack0p | it is just a keyboard.. |
| 20:25.17 | jhutchins | Ubuntu and Windows assume you're not competent. |
| 20:25.50 | greycat | Apparently it's not "just a keyboard", but rather two different keyboards connected to the same computer at the same time. |
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| 20:26.46 | jhutchins | Unless they're different X sessions, I rather doubt you can have two layouts at the same time. |
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| 20:28.26 | B1ack0p | it doesnt let me set another layout |
| 20:28.42 | greycat | !exact |
| 20:28.42 | dpkg | Please tell us exactly what you typed, and exactly what the error was. Please use a <pastebin> like http://paste.debian.net/ to show long output and, where possible, have the output in English (see <localised errors>). |
| 20:28.50 | B1ack0p | sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 20:29.14 | B1ack0p | i ran this and i chose exactly my laptops keyboard layout. |
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| 20:33.49 | jhutchins | !next |
| 20:33.49 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 20:34.24 | crestfallen | hello is it possible to completely wipe a mac mini and install buster as a single-boot machine? this is a late 2012 macMini , "6,1" firmware, with Sierra 10.12.6 . thanks |
| 20:35.09 | jhutchins | crestfallen: Yes |
| 20:37.09 | B1ack0p | jhutchins: lol not so happy.. still i couldnt add 2nd layout :p |
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| 20:37.35 | crestfallen | thanks will that completely wipe the osX jhutchins |
| 20:37.37 | crestfallen | ? |
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| 20:38.45 | tremon | crestfallen: it will if you tell it to |
| 20:39.08 | diogenes_ | B1ack0p, how you add it? |
| 20:39.45 | B1ack0p | diogenes_: i ran sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration command i choose my laptops layout.. but i cant add another layout in same way |
| 20:39.50 | cybercrypto | crestfallen: try live booting buster with your max-mini, using generic kernel. Review logs get all hardware information you may need. Check modules loaded and test max-mini devices. Once you are satisfied with, you can plan harddisk installation. |
| 20:39.58 | B1ack0p | i chose non-english but it still uses english by the way |
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| 20:40.01 | jhutchins | B1ack0p: rooms if they won't. |
| 20:40.12 | B1ack0p | what rooms? |
| 20:40.17 | jhutchins | Hm. That's odd to have in my buffer, sorry. |
| 20:40.43 | diogenes_ | B1ack0p, are you on xfce? |
| 20:40.46 | crestfallen | cybercrypto: thanks I wish I knew what that all meant |
| 20:40.49 | B1ack0p | diogenes_: yes |
| 20:40.52 | jhutchins | B1ack0p: https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard |
| 20:41.03 | diogenes_ | B1ack0p, did you add keyboard layouts to the panel? |
| 20:41.03 | jhutchins | B1ack0p: https://superuser.com/questions/75817/two-keyboards-on-one-computer-when-i-write-with-a-i-want-a-us-keyboard-layout |
| 20:41.11 | B1ack0p | diogenes_: yes i did but it doesnt work on panel |
| 20:41.16 | cybercrypto | crestfallen: at debian site, there is a huge list of hardware supported, check it as well if you prefer. I believe you will have no problems running buster on mac-mini |
| 20:41.26 | B1ack0p | it changes text of layout but doesnt change actually |
| 20:41.53 | jhutchins | There's this thing called "google"... |
| 20:42.16 | B1ack0p | ok i will google.. |
| 20:42.23 | diogenes_ | B1ack0p, did you add layouts here? https://i.imgur.com/ByJUZFw.png |
| 20:42.35 | B1ack0p | i cant open imgur and no vpn :/ |
| 20:42.42 | B1ack0p | sorry// |
| 20:42.58 | diogenes_ | dammit are you in Iran or something? |
| 20:43.26 | greycat | "even worse! I'm at work!" |
| 20:43.46 | diogenes_ | ok go to keyboard settings > Layout uncheck "Use system defaults and add the layout there below in "Keyboard layouts" section. |
| 20:44.36 | diogenes_ | B1ack0p, also a screenshot with your panel plugins would be handy. |
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| 20:46.04 | B1ack0p | how can i take screenshot? |
| 20:46.10 | B1ack0p | prtscr doesnt work |
| 20:46.10 | jhutchins | I suspect there was a step required to add available layouts. |
| 20:46.26 | B1ack0p | diogenes_: in Turkey |
| 20:46.27 | jhutchins | B1ack0p: apt search screenshot |
| 20:46.41 | diogenes_ | B1ack0p, in terminal run: xfce4-screeshooter |
| 20:47.15 | greycat | or install scrot, and use that, or use whatever other program you prefer |
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| 20:47.40 | diogenes_ | shutter is a full featured and good one too. |
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| 20:48.26 | B1ack0p | diogenes_: https://i.postimg.cc/prVSD7yy/Screenshot-2019-08-16-16-48-00.png |
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| 20:49.20 | diogenes_ | B1ack0p, and what is the output of: xfwm4 --version? |
| 20:49.22 | B1ack0p | diogenes_: as you see at top-right panel you can see "us" when i click on it switches to "tr" but it doesnt actually switches |
| 20:49.31 | humpled | hmm PrtScr works for me on xfce4, maybe i configured the shortcut |
| 20:50.09 | B1ack0p | diogenes_: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2DXFwp58CF/ |
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| 20:51.38 | diogenes_ | B1ack0p, does it switch if you use keyboard shortcut? |
| 20:51.56 | B1ack0p | never tried |
| 20:52.36 | diogenes_ | first setup some combination in the same keyboard settings > layout > change layout option |
| 20:52.40 | B1ack0p | nope |
| 20:52.43 | B1ack0p | it doesnt switch |
| 20:52.51 | B1ack0p | i tried ALt capslock |
| 20:53.47 | diogenes_ | B1ack0p, and if you exlicitely click on 'en' and pick 'tr' does it work? |
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| 20:58.08 | humpled | my switch shortcut is windows-space did you right-click on the icon and select preferences? |
| 20:58.31 | humpled | erm, should be a full stop after "space" there sorry |
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| 21:01.49 | B1ack0p | diogenes_: it doesnt work unfortunately |
| 21:02.07 | HelloShitty | Hello... Can logrotate handle more than one rule? I mean, I want to rotate a file at the first of 2 conditions to happen. Is this possible? |
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| 21:02.17 | B1ack0p | btw when i first setup i had some problems.. about ACPI and ATI graphics if you remember |
| 21:02.20 | B1ack0p | it was old laptop |
| 21:02.34 | B1ack0p | i still cant use volume up-down buttons |
| 21:02.46 | B1ack0p | maybe it is related that issues.. |
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| 21:04.09 | humpled | ah the thinkpad from '08? |
| 21:04.17 | B1ack0p | 06 :p |
| 21:04.23 | B1ack0p | T60 |
| 21:04.33 | humpled | ah right |
| 21:05.01 | B1ack0p | famous laptop lol i asked many things about issues in different channels too |
| 21:05.10 | trebor_home | hello. i am searching the web for some hours, but i do not find a solution: i installed debian10 (kde, nonfree) on a HP laptop (kernel 419.0-5-amd64). the laptop does neither poweroff, hibernate or sleep. it always get stuck somewhere and i have to force poweroff by pushing the button for 5 secs before restarting... what do i have to analyze to find the cause of the problem? |
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| 21:06.34 | humpled | hope you're writing a howto or something B1ack0p :þ |
| 21:07.14 | B1ack0p | i better collect all the solutions about issues and write a blog :p |
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| 21:07.24 | trebor_home | (i meant it does not poweroff completely and resuming does not work, too. the screen is blank) |
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| 21:10.03 | trebor_home | is there sth i can search for in /var/log/messages (poweroff problem)? |
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| 21:12.05 | alkisg | trebor_home: to verify this is an acpi problem, type "e" in grub, locate "quiet" in the command line, and beside it, type: break=bottom |
| 21:12.13 | alkisg | You'll get an initramfs shell; there, type: poweroff -f |
| 21:12.20 | alkisg | If this doesn't shut down the system, it's an acpi issue |
| 21:13.07 | diogenes_ | alkisg, isn't it equal if you hit c in grub and run: halt? |
| 21:13.08 | trebor_home | alkisg: thanks i will try this in a second (tried poweroff on the machine right now, waiting 90secs because i found sth about that in the web) |
| 21:13.36 | alkisg | diogenes_: I don't know if grub uses acpi, maybe; I'd test the kernel though, not grub |
| 21:13.51 | alkisg | I mean even if grub manages to do it,it's still useless, as it doesn't use the linux kernel |
| 21:14.57 | diogenes_ | grub has acpi.mod |
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| 21:15.33 | alkisg | diogenes_: for example, kernel 4.9 might work, and kernel 4.19 might fail, because of kernel acpi changes; where would grub acpi.mod help? |
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| 21:16.39 | trebor_home | alkisg: poweroff -f did not do the job, still hangs somewhere |
| 21:17.07 | DracoSentien | Alright, I got my wifi to work during install I used the firmware-atheros .deb package. I used dpkg-deb -R to extract it to a /firmware directory a fat32 usb stick instead of using the firmware files ending in xz |
| 21:17.21 | trebor_home | is there sth in a log, to find the reason? |
| 21:17.32 | alkisg | trebor_home: if you have live CDs handy, I'd try with different kernels, both newer and older, to see if someone works; and, I'd also try this: https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html |
| 21:17.39 | DracoSentien | the installer still spit out an error because the calibration files were not present but the wifi still worked |
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| 21:17.57 | alkisg | trebor_home: kernel acpi issues show up in dmesg; but bugs often aren't seen there |
| 21:18.31 | DracoSentien | The Debian linux documentation sucked compared to BSD , as usual, as I had to learn this from the Debian wiki for a a Dell laptop not my lenovo ideapad as the regular firmware instructions were lackluster |
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| 21:19.19 | humpled | :þ |
| 21:19.58 | DracoSentien | anyway, I wanted the wifi working because I am encrypting the laptop and it has to erase the disk which takes hours so I don't want it connected to my one ethernet wire otherise I would not be typing this right now |
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| 21:21.01 | DracoSentien | erase the disk with random data I suppose it is using /dev/urandom |
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| 21:21.26 | trebor_home | alkisg: looking at /var/log/messages i see authentication errors with sddm at the time i tried to poweroff. after that, some x11 connection-broke messages appear. |
| 21:21.35 | hop | .oO(isn't the debian wiki part of the "debian linux documentation?") |
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| 21:21.57 | B1ack0p | bbl |
| 21:23.02 | jhutchins | hop: Well, yes, depending on what you're looking for. |
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| 21:24.03 | DracoSentien | hop yeah but I was pointed to https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch06s04.en.html in this channel which I already read and that does not tell you to use an extracted .deb package instead of the extracted .xz firmware packages in fact it does the opposite |
| 21:24.24 | DracoSentien | I dunno the installer just seems finicky |
| 21:25.04 | trebor_home | when trying to poweroff, i get this error in /var/log/messages: sddm[569]: autothentication error: process crashed, auth: sddm-helper crashed (exit code 15) |
| 21:25.08 | jhutchins | Ok, this is really strange. There are a whole bunch of zero length files in my $HOME that look like they're words from a conversation or email. |
| 21:25.51 | DracoSentien | hop : The installer still spit out an error to me about the wifi driver but once I ignored and went to the next screen the wifi worked anyway |
| 21:26.37 | hop | DracoSentien: sure, but you could still be a bit less abbrasive about the volunteer work of others |
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| 21:27.43 | hop | anywayâ¦Â to paraphrase the famous words of Black0p: bbl |
| 21:28.47 | DracoSentien | hop: I think this kind of thing is why Linus Torvalds could not get Debian installed and said it was too hard to install and he is now using Fedora. I first installed Debian with Debian Slink in like 1998 but that was before you guys started using busybox |
| 21:29.04 | DracoSentien | hop : busybox makes switching to a terminal during install less powerful |
| 21:29.33 | jhutchins | DracoSentien: I think that's probably apocryphal. |
| 21:30.15 | DracoSentien | jhutchins: namybe busybox should be a seperate installer for embedded devices |
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| 21:31.22 | jhutchins | DracoSentien: Go ahead and set that up. I'm sure somebody will try it. |
| 21:31.31 | DracoSentien | s/nambye/maybe/ |
| 21:34.01 | humpled | maybe we should just get rid of the initrd, i don't like it |
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| 21:37.40 | DracoSentien | humpled do both the netinst iso and the dvd iso use busybox ? My embedded rooted android devices have busybox I would not think sysadmins and people installing it to PCs would need it as a fuller set of utilities , in a terminal, would be more useful during install |
| 21:38.49 | humpled | i think the installer is the same in those cases, haven't used calamares yet though |
| 21:42.29 | DracoSentien | humpled I have not tried it either as I installed Arch Linux before but never Manjaro etc... |
| 21:43.43 | DracoSentien | Debian is easier to setup and install the an arch. If I could not get my wifi working, which I did, I would have just installed debian via ethernet jack cable and then installed the wifi post-install |
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| 21:57.11 | DracoSentien | I will say one good thing about the Debian installer is that when you are encrypting a disk it does not ask you if you want to fill the disk with random data it just does it automatically which is good security practice |
| 21:57.23 | DracoSentien | but now I have to wait hours because my disk is 1TB |
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| 22:00.51 | trebor_home | hm. still not poweroff correctly: systemd-shutdown remounts / with options 'errors=remount-ro', after that systemd says that all filesystems, swaps, loop devices are detached, syncing fiesystems and block devices .... but still does not poweroff (display is still runnung) |
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| 22:03.18 | trebor_home | the only error i see (while poweroff): snd_hda_codec_realtec hdaudioc1d0: out of range cmd 0:20:400:FFFFFFFF, unable to sync register ... can this cause systemd not to poweroff completely? |
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| 22:16.39 | DracoSentien | trebor_home: I dunno I am new to systemd but if systemd hangs on codec not syncing in like a codec unable to sync in a cpu register or is causing it then Poettering is mentally retarded |
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| 22:25.10 | trebor_home | as it is always, my computers are working like a charm with debian, the one for my wife does not poweroff correctly ... after hours of searching the web, i still do not have a clue where the problem is.... (amdgpu? acpi? ...). older versions of debian show the same problem, too (even ubuntu19). if someone has a hint what to look for, i would be very glad ; ) |
| 22:25.19 | swift110 | sup |
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| 22:25.36 | swift110 | how much different is Bunsenlabs versus Debian? |
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| 22:26.22 | trebor_home | neither poweroff, suspend or hibernate work. |
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| 22:27.04 | Habbie | swift110, you should ask them, but a quick glance at the bunsenlabs frontpage appears to answer the question |
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| 22:45.47 | cybercrypto | trebor_home: what is the problem really? |
| 22:47.13 | swift110 | ok Habbie I would but their channel isn't active |
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| 22:47.50 | uio | Hi, using Deja-dup and trying to back up just ~/Documents, so I entered ~/Documents in the 'folders to save' part. But when the backup starts it starts backing up stuff I didn't say to backup ! Like my ~/.Archives folder. To avoid this I had to add everything in ~/ to the 'don't back up list' except Documents. I don't get what is going on. Why do I have to specify what to not back up? Is this broken? |
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| 22:48.35 | Habbie | swift110, i don't want to say bad things about anybody but a community that looks dead is not what i would run as my OS usually |
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| 22:49.45 | swift110 | Habbie, you make a good point actually |
| 22:49.57 | uio | Also, running that backup got my temps up to 93°C! Is that a problem? They're back to a sane 50°C now. |
| 22:50.29 | uio | Fan was at 4275 Tr/mn |
| 22:50.58 | uio | Smells like hot computer now. |
| 22:51.32 | swift110 | Habbie, I suppose Debian with Openbox and conky would give me what I want |
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| 22:52.10 | uio | swift110, Sorry, got here late, what OS are you talking about? |
| 22:52.27 | Habbie | uio, bunsenlabs |
| 22:52.54 | Habbie | swift110, perhaps! |
| 22:53.12 | uio | Habbie, Oh, it looks great! |
| 22:53.26 | uio | They have active forums I think. |
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| 22:53.42 | uio | I totally thought about using it. |
| 22:53.52 | uio | But am bad with config files. |
| 22:54.32 | uio | Take a look here: https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/ Lots of recent stuff. |
| 22:54.42 | humpled | initially when i tried debian+openbox, it took a lot of time to tweak up something half as nice |
| 22:55.02 | uio | Debian happens to have an active IRC. I don't think that all OS's are like that though. |
| 22:55.21 | uio | And I don't think that an inactive IRC = inactive OS |
| 22:55.25 | humpled | i might run the bunsen netinstall thing if it's still around |
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| 22:57.13 | uio | I think BL looks very alive! |
| 22:57.32 | swift110 | Habbie, so I am looking for a 64 bit debian image |
| 22:57.38 | swift110 | this is pretty confusing |
| 22:58.24 | trebor_home | cybercrypto: i try to poweroff/suspend/hibernate(/resume) on a laptop (hp). i installed debian10(nonfree, amd64) on it, did an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. everytime i try to poweroff, the laptop tries to shutdonwn, but stays powered - only way to poweroff is now to use the button and press it for 5 secs. |
| 22:59.27 | trebor_home | i tried grub-config modifications (acpi=strong, resume=UUID=....), with no luck |
| 22:59.36 | uio | swift110, Totally go for Debian if you want, but do note that https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/ is, in my view, healthily active. |
| 23:00.39 | trebor_home | i tried to poweroff via cmdline (grub, bash (su)), via kde, via login-screen -> no luck |
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| 23:01.31 | swift110 | uio, ok thanks I am not really a forum person as I prefer the interaction of irc |
| 23:01.44 | uio | Oh, I just figured out my issue! Silly me! I had 'personal folder' in the list to back up! Anyway. |
| 23:01.48 | trebor_home | i looked into /var/log/messages for hints, but nothing led to findings in the web |
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| 23:02.12 | uio | swift110, That's cool. I mean BL is just a repackaged Debian from what I've gathered. |
| 23:02.52 | uio | Is like three minutes of 93°C worrisome? |
| 23:02.58 | trebor_home | (amdgpu, snd_hda_codec_realtec, acpi, ...) |
| 23:03.05 | Habbie | uio, thanks for the forum pointer |
| 23:03.53 | uio | Habbie, I had to try to defend them :) I admire that OS though I've never used it! |
| 23:04.11 | swift110 | yes |
| 23:04.18 | trebor_home | what would be the proper forum to post such problems (linux.debian.user, ...)? |
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| 23:04.32 | uio | trebor_home, Have you tried sudo poweroff? |
| 23:04.41 | trebor_home | uio: yes |
| 23:05.03 | trebor_home | uio: poweroff, poweroff -f |
| 23:05.21 | uio | trebor_home, Hmmmmm. sudo halt? |
| 23:05.40 | trebor_home | uio: no, wait a sec, trying.... |
| 23:05.56 | uio | trebor_home, Sorry, I actually don't know, I should stop trying to help! sorry |
| 23:07.41 | uio | If I want to have two backups, what would be the best way to do so? Could I déja-dup to a usb and then unison sync two usbs? |
| 23:08.07 | uio | trebor_home, Any luck? |
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| 23:09.36 | trebor_home | hm, i am not sure. display got black, but i had no luck starting the laptop. had to hold the po-button for 5 secs and then press it again to start the machine |
| 23:11.31 | trebor_home | sudo halt does not seem to work properly, too |
| 23:11.51 | trebor_home | uio: no, does not shut down the machine |
| 23:12.24 | uio | trebor_home, Hmmmm. Hopefully some one here will be able to help you. I'm not sure what to do. |
| 23:12.29 | trebor_home | uio: for your backup-sync: rsync? |
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| 23:13.03 | uio | trebor_home, I have rsync-phobia because I lost a backup with a poorly written command! |
| 23:13.46 | ksk | that can kind of happen with any wrong command you type in ;) |
| 23:14.03 | uio | trebor_home, See this? https://superuser.com/questions/835658/debian-cannot-reboot-nor-shutdown |
| 23:14.37 | uio | ksk, Right, but especially if it's for backups. $ leafpad is pretty safe :) |
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| 23:15.04 | Bushmills | trebor_home: a user had a similar problem some months ago - suggestion was to reflash bios to more recent version. Before he did, he simply reset BIOS settings - that helped, henceforth he was able to properly shut down the machine. |
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| 23:16.08 | uio | How do you people deal with your backups? |
| 23:16.12 | trebor_home | uio: yes, hours ago ;) - but it is of no help |
| 23:16.18 | uio | Do you have multiple backup locations? |
| 23:16.31 | uio | sudo shutdown -h now? |
| 23:16.38 | ser1 | hello im have trouble creating a local server on my network any tips? |
| 23:16.57 | trebor_home | uio: sudo shutdown -h now, shutdown -f, ... |
| 23:17.25 | Bushmills | i have a always-on machine, acting as replication server, and a NAS which comes online once every so often, making an incremental backup of the replication server. All machines on the network replicate to that replication server. |
| 23:17.28 | uio | trebor_home, Oh boy, my Bushmills's idea is good. |
| 23:17.55 | uio | Bushmills, So you just have one backup? |
| 23:18.03 | trebor_home | Bushmills: do i need windows for that? or can it be done in linux? (i do not have any windows) |
| 23:19.04 | Bushmills | depends what you call backup. I don't call the mirror a backup, I tend to call backup only if it's incremental. So yes, one backup. But in addition the recent state of all systems on the replication server. |
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| 23:19.22 | uio | Bushmills, Good point. |
| 23:19.30 | Bushmills | completely Linux based, all of it |
| 23:19.58 | Bushmills | as replication server, a credit card size SBC with S-ATA connector is used. |
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| 23:20.12 | uio | I don't have any always-on machines, and don't really trust the cloud (evey with gpg protected files), so I think I'll get something fairly manual going on. |
| 23:20.40 | Bushmills | NAS is a el-cheapo Zyxel with two drive bays. Also running Linux |
| 23:20.58 | Bushmills | process is completely automatic, all aspects of it |
| 23:21.56 | uio | Bushmills, Nice set up. |
| 23:22.11 | uio | What would be the best way with just some usbs? |
| 23:22.18 | Bushmills | the SBC is a banana pi 2 (real gigabit ethernet, real S-ATA interface) |
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| 23:23.09 | uio | Ideally I'd do two, one for home and one at a remote location that I go to with my laptop every now and then, but the two usbs shouldn't really see eachother ever (because that would mean that all three backups are at same location). |
| 23:23.10 | Bushmills | not the usb bridged inerfaces one sees on some other of these kind of devices |
| 23:24.00 | Bushmills | software involved for both replication and incremental backup is rsync in both cases |
| 23:24.26 | uio | Bushmills, But not encrypted then?? |
| 23:25.31 | Bushmills | no encryption, correct. though if I were to use encryption, that's not be part of the backup process, but a matter of disk encryption, transparent to the backup |
| 23:26.28 | uio | Bushmills, Right, but if you're machine is always on that'd be useless... |
| 23:26.37 | Bushmills | sensitive files are encrypted already on the backupped machines, and go encrypted into backup |
| 23:26.44 | uio | This is frustrating: https://dev.to/nathanabland/creating-a-usable-backup-setup-for-linux-elementaryos-5-5b75 |
| 23:26.52 | uio | No remote backup?! |
| 23:27.03 | uio | Bushmills, Ah, okay. Cool. |
| 23:27.08 | rant | How can I figure out what is setting firewall rules on my laptop on startup? I don't have fail2ban or any firewall apps installed.. I have been testing new software for a VPN but I tested that doing iptables -F and iptables -X and restarting that software, and it only adds rules when its enabled then removes them when its disabled.. but there is a long list of things in iptables -L when I first boot |
| 23:27.23 | Bushmills | not automatic. well, some remote machines are partly backupped to this setup too. |
| 23:27.44 | Bushmills | replication is on another part of the building than NAS |
| 23:28.10 | rant | I'd like to get rid of these rules permanently without doing something rube :D |
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| 23:32.22 | qid|ydl | is there a "backports" system that goes the other way? getting packages from an older release onto a newer one? |
| 23:32.38 | rant | http://paste.debian.net/1096031/ is what iptables -L shows on a fresh boot.. |
| 23:32.49 | uio | qid|ydl, Front ports? |
| 23:32.52 | qid|ydl | I need a Java 8 JRE on buster but it looks like the only version offered now is Java 11 |
| 23:33.03 | uio | qid|ydl, chestports? |
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| 23:34.02 | qid|ydl | uio: something about that name sounds wrong, lol |
| 23:34.52 | qid|ydl | if you google for how to install Java 8 on buster you get tons of articles telling you to rig it up using sid/unstable or ubuntu package sources, i.e. exactly what the debian wiki says to never ever do |
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| 23:37.49 | Bushmills | debian java8 packages from oldstable or oldoldstable, not sure which ones have java8, function under buster. another user needed java8 too, running buster now, and used the debian packages from previous releases. |
| 23:38.26 | rant | nm, turns out I did install firewall-config which pulled in firewalld :D |
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| 23:38.36 | Bushmills | fetched them from debian archive and installed them with dpkg |
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| 23:39.21 | rant | I forgot I'd installed that when I was testing out easy ways for users to share their network connection |
| 23:39.41 | rant | turns out network-manager-gnome is probably the easiest way to do that :P |
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| 23:41.04 | Bushmills | iptables or nft based? |
| 23:41.07 | rant | you just go to the interface you want to use to connect other machines, goto the IPv4 and IPv6 tabs and set the Method to Shared With Other Computers and viola :D |
| 23:41.57 | rant | it seems to handle all the dhcp, firewalling, etc.. no need to complicate things |
| 23:42.17 | Bushmills | for iptables, it's two commands. (or a script with those two lines) |
| 23:42.48 | Bushmills | the NAT part. no dhcp from that, that's extra |
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| 23:43.06 | rant | I never saw a need for a firewall on my system.. I used a transparent firewall on my network before.. but for a workstaion, I never realls saw the need |
| 23:43.10 | Bushmills | would like like http://snap.scarydevilmonastery.net/i0xq |
| 23:43.41 | rant | I only realized something was wrong when I was setting up openvpn and it was connecting but not reaching the VPN addresses |
| 23:44.18 | Bushmills | (other machines on the net also need to set that machines as their default gateway - this is what would be executed on the machine which shares its connection) |
| 23:45.18 | Bushmills | ah, i seem to remember that you weren't able to ping the other end in a p2p openvpn setup |
| 23:45.29 | rant | yeah, idk the network manager method was simple enough for any user.. I was on wifi, went to the ethernet hit edit, went to IPv4 and IPv6 tabs, under the Method pulldown, selected share with other computers.. and then anything I plugged in was online via dhcp |
| 23:46.00 | rant | yes, turns out that openvpn issue was all due to the rules firewalld was putting in there |
| 23:46.22 | Bushmills | hm. i suggested "firewall" and you said you didn't run any |
| 23:46.33 | rant | I didn't think I did :D |
| 23:46.49 | rant | I got a bad habit of testing things for other people on my machine instead of a VM |
| 23:46.55 | rant | then forgetting I did it |
| 23:46.56 | uio | What are snapshots in luckybackup? |
| 23:47.48 | uio | are they like the base for the incremental? |
| 23:47.55 | Bushmills | that's the result of leaving it to "automatic" processes doing stuff for you :) |
| 23:48.02 | rant | one of these days I'll get more storage on here and have VMs permanently. I keep deleting them cause I dont have the space.. and I found when I kept them on my external I just found it too much of a PITA to pull it out when I needed one |
| 23:48.13 | Bushmills | they do things, and sometimes without your knowledge |
| 23:48.28 | rant | I only have a 120GB SSD in this laptop, it isn't much |
| 23:48.42 | uio | Bushmills, It's asking me to set max snapshots. |
| 23:48.47 | uio | default is 1. |
| 23:49.21 | Bushmills | yes, a bit small. I moved my old small one, same size, over to my router - it is rather happy about storage of that size :) |
| 23:49.37 | rant | I may in the future put in an m.2 SSD and a SATA hdd idk yet.. debating on what I wanna use that 2nd slot for.. a WWAN or SSD |
| 23:50.00 | Guest57032 | .. |
| 23:50.16 | rant | if a decent open phone comes out I'll probably get one, if not, I will probably get a WWAN card |
| 23:50.30 | Bushmills | uio, I don't know luckybackup. I can only guess, so I suggest you better consult the docs |
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| 23:53.19 | rant | i don't even like the sound of luckybackup.. heh |
| 23:53.37 | rant | sounds like you'd be lucky to have a backup when you need it |
| 23:53.46 | rant | like your luck might run out |
| 23:54.15 | Bushmills | luck as in game of chance? |
| 23:54.27 | rant | yeah, doesn't sound reliable :D |
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| 23:54.58 | Bushmills | depends on rsync |
| 23:55.16 | Bushmills | but also on qt libs |
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| 23:58.55 | qid|ydl | not sure the backup scenario you're working on so maybe this is unrelated, but I've had good luck with rsnapshot |
