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| 00:01.53 | epony | are you sure? there is something with that logic that does not seem correct, like a wrong IQ test |
| 00:02.52 | epony | The manual page helps configure the program, the other things mentioned are unrelated :-) |
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| 00:03.42 | epony | if you need a configuration program to configure your program, that's a wrong way to configure programs |
| 00:05.15 | yans | ho, ho, ho. |
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| 00:07.33 | dstaring | I have discovered that commercial websites actively change around their JSON blobs and HTML in order to mess with my bots. It forces me to constantly manually verify that the info is actually correct and has not been screwed with. For example, a resource that list the registered vehicles for an address now puts "1" in the HTML and then later changes this by JavaScript-loading a JSON blob, parsing it and changing the DOM. That's evil. |
| 00:07.47 | dstaring | It causes me constant stress as I have to keep up with their stupid changes. |
| 00:08.10 | dstaring | (They charge so much for actual API access that I could never even come close to affording it.) |
| 00:08.10 | annadane | name and shame! |
| 00:08.28 | epony | use other web sites, that don't need JS :-) |
| 00:08.39 | dstaring | epony: No such thing. |
| 00:09.11 | epony | well what could you do then to solve it? |
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| 00:10.32 | epony | must be some evil site that wants you to pay for digits changed by JS, that's some scam site |
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| 00:27.41 | ghormoon | hi, hypothetical question, is there some way to make linux "remount" a drive to a copy of it (somehow hold off writes for a little while to ensure sync is up to date, mount from another location) and keep (somehow remap) open files, so not kill any apps, just let them wait few seconds for io? |
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| 00:30.00 | dstaring | epony: Huh? |
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| 00:31.31 | rant | ghormoon: mount -o remount,ro |
| 00:31.45 | rant | no need to remap anything, the filesystem is read-only |
| 00:32.10 | ghormoon | the point is, i want it writeable - to the new location (and be able to unplug the old one) |
| 00:32.21 | ghormoon | but it's so edge case that it's not important, just came to my mind |
| 00:32.36 | rant | so mount it somewhere else |
| 00:32.37 | ghormoon | remount to ro would make the apps writing to fail |
| 00:32.48 | rant | nobody says you can't mount it somewhere else |
| 00:32.51 | ghormoon | yah but that means to reboot |
| 00:32.59 | rant | in what universe? |
| 00:33.09 | ghormoon | remounting / |
| 00:33.19 | rant | uh, no.. |
| 00:33.31 | rant | mount -o remount,ro / |
| 00:33.38 | ghormoon | that will make things die |
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| 00:34.22 | rant | idk what you're after here, but I'm fairly certain you're going about it all wrong |
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| 00:34.31 | ghormoon | let's say i have 1min old copy of the / partition, i want to freeze it, sync in the last minute of changes, mount it from the new location and disconnect the old one |
| 00:34.42 | ghormoon | but it's kinda stretched scenario |
| 00:34.44 | ghormoon | just came to my mind |
| 00:34.54 | ghormoon | and rare so reboot is ok :D |
| 00:35.01 | rant | idk what any of that means |
| 00:35.24 | rant | sounds to me like you got a long list of other problems making you think you need to do this |
| 00:35.39 | ghormoon | no, i'm just overengineering things :D |
| 00:36.08 | ghormoon | thiking i can make a "live" usb, that would be able also to bootstrap itself to a real disk, start using it without reboot. but i can just reboot there |
| 00:37.15 | jmcnaught | ghormoon: with LVM you can make a snapshot volume of a filesystem's underlying block device. You can then mount that snapshot somewhere and copy from it, or modify it. The original block device remains read-write. You can also merge a volume back to the state of the snapshot, but doing that with root filesystem would require reboot. |
| 00:37.32 | rant | you are confusing terms and creating one x y problem after another |
| 00:38.02 | rant | debian systems already do pretty much exactly what you describe.. its called a pivot_root |
| 00:38.30 | jmcnaught | ghormoon: well I think you would definitely want to reboot after installing to make sure the system is installed properly |
| 00:38.41 | rant | https://linux.die.net/man/8/pivot_root |
| 00:39.20 | rant | the linux kernel is full of such things.. pivot_root() kexec() etc.. |
| 00:39.58 | ghormoon | what happens if you do that and some random binary is writing to some file? will it write to the same filename in new root or die and need a restart? |
| 00:40.25 | ghormoon | jmcnaught: i know, just 3am thoughts that it would be kinda cool :D |
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| 00:41.15 | ghormoon | the backroud sync would be zfs send/recv, so i can do it kinda efficiently with -I to sync up the last minute of changes or so, no need to copy over lvm volume at once |
| 00:42.08 | dstaring | linux.die.net <-- I always read that domain as a sentence. "Linux: die, net!" |
| 00:42.35 | annadane | die bart die |
| 00:42.39 | epony | read it as "linux.the.net" |
| 00:44.52 | dstaring | Epona the e-pony. |
| 00:44.59 | epony | doesn't Debian have a manual pages somewhere https://manpages.debian.org/mount ? |
| 00:46.24 | ghormoon | thinking if i can actually use criu somehow for that, just dump it, umount/sync/mount and restore |
| 00:46.47 | ghormoon | especially for containers |
| 00:49.14 | epony | dstaring read that as yppon-ie |
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| 01:00.07 | Lyberta | while updating to the newer kernel and regenerating initramfs I get: "run-parts: failed to exec /etc/initramfs/post-update.d//update-efi: No such file or directory", why is there a second slash out of sudden? |
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| 01:07.22 | ghormoon | is there something more generic than pivot_root to pivot any other mountpoint too? sometnig like mv but for a mountpoint? |
| 01:08.20 | ryouma | when i booted stretch just now, it had a lot of messages that flew by, including a lot of messages about a mapped drive. /var/log does not seem to have this. i tried journalctl, but it does not have it either. what switches to journalctl do i use? i have bootlogd installed but it does not seem to do anything. i tried journalctl -b as it suggested but that does not work either. |
| 01:09.11 | ryouma | ghormoon: i am ignorant but maybe bind mount could be useful? |
| 01:09.35 | ghormoon | not sure what happens if you remove the original mount then? does it stay at the new place? |
| 01:10.03 | ghormoon | which makes me think it will be even more complicates with containers as they use bind mounts, yay :D |
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| 01:11.22 | ryouma | ghormoon: dunno, i try to steer clear of them unless i am doing a chroot, just a random idea in case nobody who has a clue could help you |
| 01:11.52 | ghormoon | i guess criu them out and back immediately after rmeounting would be the easiest in the end :D |
| 01:12.24 | ryouma | my question above can be summarized as: "in stretch, a lot of booting stuff flew by. what do i do to look at all of them?" |
| 01:13.05 | ghormoon | dmesg does have them or not? |
| 01:13.38 | ryouma | nope |
| 01:14.06 | ryouma | has even less information than journalctl or journalctl -b |
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| 02:39.56 | jetblackcloud | hi |
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| 02:40.19 | blaztek | jetblackcloud: hello |
| 02:40.55 | jetblackcloud | so, i'm a bit confused. it would appear per the debian "secure boot" web page that there is a package called "grub-efi-ia32-signed." yet, it doesn't come up in the repos with apt. |
| 02:42.00 | jetblackcloud | https://packages.debian.org/buster/grub-efi-ia32-signed |
| 02:42.13 | dstaring | Do the ****** at Google not have a real e-mail list for Chromium support? I only get the "Login to Google account" screen of death no matter what I try to do. |
| 02:42.29 | jetblackcloud | do an "apt-cache search grub-efi-ia32-signed" and nothing comes up. |
| 02:42.40 | jmcnaught | jetblackcloud: are you on a 32-bit system? |
| 02:43.54 | jetblackcloud | jmcnaught: no. but, i write a guide that teaches a means of creating a usb stick that can boot to either efi 64/32 or bios. with buster, the ability to secure boot is nice. and while the webpage says it can work with 32 bit, and there is a package to download from that link above, it does not appear to be in the repos. |
| 02:44.33 | themill | dstaring: I'm not sure #debian would know. |
| 02:44.42 | jetblackcloud | trying to figure out if i'm missing something. |
| 02:45.52 | themill | ,archs grub-efi-ia32-signed |
| 02:45.53 | judd | Package grub-efi-ia32-signed in buster: i386 (1+2.02+dfsg1+20) |
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| 02:45.55 | jmcnaught | jetblackcloud: if you add i386 as an architecture you would be able to install that package: https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
| 02:46.21 | jetblackcloud | or, if perhaps debian team thinks something is in repos when it isn't. |
| 02:46.51 | jetblackcloud | it is 10.0.0 after all. haha. :-) |
| 02:47.32 | jmcnaught | jetblackcloud: if you are on an amd64 system and want to install a package that is only available for i386 then you need to add the architecture as in the wiki page I linked above. |
| 02:48.15 | jetblackcloud | if you're running buster, test it out with apt-cache. i've yet to personally encounter a situation where a 32 bit efi install was needed. but the machines that use that are out there. |
| 02:48.44 | jetblackcloud | so, trying to figure out what i need to do to address that instance in a future guide, |
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| 02:49.23 | jetblackcloud | jmcnaught: doh! thank you. |
| 02:49.33 | jetblackcloud | that's what i was missing. |
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| 02:49.40 | jetblackcloud | add the i286 architecture. |
| 02:49.44 | jetblackcloud | i386 |
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| 02:50.15 | jetblackcloud | figured it was something simple. haha |
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| 02:57.07 | jetblackcloud | jmcnaught: in past, installing the grub-efi-ia32-bin package without adding the i386 arch wasn't an issue. read about weird machines that used 64 bit cpu based os with 32 bit efi. |
| 02:57.19 | jetblackcloud | figured there'd be something there for signed as well. |
| 02:57.57 | themill | having i386 packages within amd64 was always a kludge and people have been trying to get rid of them and just use multiarch |
| 02:58.47 | jetblackcloud | themill: for the screwy setup i read about, it appeared the only "32 bit" aspect was the uefi loader. everything else was 64. never encountered it myself. |
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| 02:59.05 | jetblackcloud | some tablet based machines it seemed. |
| 02:59.37 | themill | yes, there's a couple of classes of machines that need that sort of boot |
| 02:59.46 | jetblackcloud | probably overkill on my part covering it. but, seemed worthwhile just in case. |
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| 03:02.35 | dstaring | Apparently, using the Shift key is overkill for you, though... |
| 03:03.15 | jetblackcloud | dstaring: yes it is. :-) |
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| 03:03.40 | jetblackcloud | except there. ;-) |
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| 03:09.09 | ryouma | booting stretch has a lot of messages that flew by (including a whole lot of messages about a mapped drive). /var/log does not seem to have this. i tried journalctl, but it does not have it either. i have bootlogd installed but it does not seem to do anything. i tried journalctl -b as it suggested but that does not work either. what switches to journalctl do i use? |
| 03:10.04 | mureena | use bacon |
| 03:10.09 | mureena | that'll fix it |
| 03:11.15 | ryouma | mureena: p ruby-bacon - Small RSpec clone |
| 03:11.50 | ryouma | what is the usual thing you do when you want to see exactly what flew by and disappeared when you boot? |
| 03:11.55 | mureena | I suggest that you check the output of dmesg |
| 03:12.18 | ryouma | i did that too. it does not contain the lines about the mapped drive. |
| 03:12.37 | mureena | mapped drive, anything special on your fstab? |
| 03:13.39 | jmcnaught | ryouma: journalctl with no arguments shows all log messages, its options are mostly for narrowing things down. |
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| 03:13.53 | jmcnaught | ryouma: are these mystery messages in early boot? |
| 03:14.44 | ryouma | jmcnaught: they were definitely after i aws prompted for password for drive, but idk what constitutes early |
| 03:15.03 | ryouma | for a partition* |
| 03:15.47 | dstaring | What do you do when Chromium literally doesn't work according to instructions and their IRC rooms are 100% dead and they don't provide any kind of support besides the Google Cancer-only Google Spy Group BS? |
| 03:15.50 | ryouma | so journalctl with no args is supposed to print everything that shows in booting except ... before it is initialized or something? |
| 03:15.58 | dstaring | And Stack Exchange ignores all my questions... |
| 03:16.41 | jmcnaught | ryouma: I don't think that messages from the initrd stage of booting are captured in the logs |
| 03:16.56 | ryouma | jmcnaught: ah, i presume this is much after that, as i was prompted for luk s |
| 03:17.13 | themill | dstaring: This really isn't on-topic for #debian. Given the way you write here, I'd have a guess that there's an issue with the way you ask the questions. |
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| 03:18.24 | jmcnaught | ryouma: are you unlocking the root filesystem? |
| 03:21.49 | jmcnaught | ryouma: my root filesystem is encrypted so it needs to be unlocked at boot. That's the initrd handling that, because root and its contents are not unlocked yet. init and journald and rsyslog aren't running yet because they're on the encrypted drive |
| 03:22.30 | magic_ninja_work | So has debian implemented anything like silverblue? |
| 03:23.17 | jmcnaught | ryouma: I think using systemd-boot it can record those early boot messages in the journal, but Debian uses GRUB and initframfs-tools instead |
| 03:23.19 | magic_ninja_work | I was thinking about it. Seems like it would be a pretty good solution Industrial Stuff. I'm looking at making my own HMI. |
| 03:23.29 | magic_ninja_work | Or rather platform to deploy industrial stuff. |
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| 03:26.34 | epony | dstaring fire up a fox |
| 03:26.38 | ryouma | jmcnaught: yeah it is root. so journalctl by itself gets me everythign i should be able to get on debian? unless i switch to some systemd booting system? |
| 03:27.17 | jmcnaught | ryouma: I could be wrong about systemd-boot I don't think it replaces initrd |
| 03:27.46 | jmcnaught | ryouma: but yeah the journal includes the complete kernel logs (dmesg) as well as the stdout and stderr of every service running |
| 03:27.49 | ryouma | i vaguely remember that bootlogd used to get me everything i wanted, but no longer |
| 03:28.37 | ryouma | hmm, so dmesg is redundant then. and maybe some stuff will be async if it is from a service? |
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| 03:30.46 | jmcnaught | ryouma: you could try adding 'debug' as a kernel command line arugment which according to this wiki page will put some debug information in /run/initramfs/initramfs.debug: https://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug#Saving_debug_information |
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| 03:34.15 | ryouma | that looks useful thanks. don't have the energy to reboot but if i have an issue with booting it looks useful. |
| 03:35.01 | ryouma | is there a command to check the fsck status of an fs, without unmounting it? like, check status of root fs right now (even if it doesnt fsck it but just says what the result was) |
| 03:37.54 | ryouma | (lol, the initramfs debug shell has vi. that's great, but i'd be beeping and my computer would be swearing, or vice-versa. i wonder if it has nano.) |
| 03:39.04 | somiaj | ryouma: journalctl -u systemd-fsck* -- seems to give you what happened at boot |
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| 03:39.43 | somiaj | also cat /run/initramfs/fsck.log seems to work too (here on stretch) |
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| 03:41.09 | jmcnaught | my /run/initramfs is empty on buster |
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| 03:43.06 | ryouma | somiaj: your cat command works great and actully shows me lots of lines for the mapped drive (it was fsck). your journalctl command doesn't show those. |
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| 03:47.50 | dstaring | epony: I have Firefox installed and use it exclusively as my browser. So that part is not the problem. The problem is that Firefox has no --dump-dom option, which Chromium at least *claims* to have (but actually doesn't, since it doesn't actually do anything)... |
| 03:48.13 | dstaring | epony: The only way to dump the DOM in Firefox appears to be to install a bunch of unwanted cancerware such as Node.js and Selenium, and I wish I could avoid that. |
| 03:48.21 | dstaring | (And even then, it's not clear how to do it.) |
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| 03:48.46 | dstaring | The less garbageware I have to rely on, the better. |
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| 03:49.37 | ryouma | would it be useful to put nano on my boot partition? it uses shared libraries, so i don't know whether that is possible. can you make a shared library executable static? |
| 03:51.24 | ryouma | (reason being i don;'t understand vi and might need smoeething to edit in broken boot states -- and emacs might be too large) |
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| 03:55.08 | ryouma | can one find out which packages have static binaries? (looks like mg jove zile etc. might suit also.) |
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| 04:06.00 | jmcnaught | ryouma: you can add binaries to the initrd, look at /usr/share/doc/initramfs-tools-core/examples/example_hook in that script it uses a copy_exec function |
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| 04:09.10 | ryouma | jmcnaught: thank you. looks like a task bigger than i can do right now but maybe if i take another look at it tomorrow. sounds like i cargo cult that if statement, add my executable, and redo the initrd. then take care to ... maintain the initrd across debian versions or somethign? not suer. |
| 04:12.42 | jmcnaught | ryouma: you put the hook in /etc/initramfs-tools/hooks/ I had to do this once on jessie to use lvmcache I needed to add /usr/sbin/cache_check into the initrd as was a couple of kernel modules |
| 04:14.30 | ryouma | if it is /etc than maybe i just cargo cult the eample script? |
| 04:14.57 | jmcnaught | I don't know what you mean by cargo cult in this context. |
| 04:15.06 | jmcnaught | Use it without understanding it? |
| 04:15.44 | ryouma | more or less |
| 04:16.43 | ryouma | but if it is in /etc, then it will not be run until root is mounted. so it would not be useful for th case when root is not mounted, i guess |
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| 04:16.54 | ryouma | but maybe that is good enough, dunno |
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| 04:17.54 | jmcnaught | ryouma: the hook script's copy_exec function copies a binary and its libraries into the initrd when update-initramfs -u is run |
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| 04:18.28 | jmcnaught | ryouma: so that the binary is there in the initrd stage along with busybox |
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| 04:20.54 | ryouma | thanks |
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| 04:24.14 | annadane | sigh |
| 04:25.45 | annadane | ignore my 'sigh', i fixed my own problem before asking |
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| 04:25.55 | ryouma | :) |
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| 05:13.13 | deetwelve | how do i disable ipv6 in debian 10? /etc/netconfig i no longer there in this version. |
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| 05:36.22 | themill | deetwelve: I don't think /etc/netconfig ever had anything to do with disabling ipv6 on a system. It's the config file for one particular library. |
| 05:36.35 | themill | !noipv6 |
| 05:36.36 | dpkg | From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 05:36.51 | themill | ^^ that might well still work, I can't say that I've ever tried |
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| 05:42.04 | deetwelve | ty themill |
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| 05:52.55 | kreyren | how do i get linux 5.2 on debian bullseye ? |
| 05:54.06 | jetblackcloud | any idea why grub-update hangs indefinitely after manual install of grub via cli in expert install? if i reboot into rescue, it works fine. but, not during install. |
| 05:54.24 | jetblackcloud | sorry, "update-grub" |
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| 05:57.11 | kreyren | jetblackcloud, provide outpu |
| 05:57.14 | kreyren | *output |
| 05:57.29 | jetblackcloud | there isn't any |
| 05:57.33 | jetblackcloud | it just hangs |
| 05:58.02 | kreyren | what debian release is it |
| 05:58.07 | jetblackcloud | buster |
| 05:58.24 | kreyren | hm |
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| 05:58.53 | kreyren | `apt list --installed | grep grub | curl -n -F 'f:1=<-' http://ix.io` and sent me the url generated |
| 05:59.01 | jetblackcloud | some extra info. partion is msdos table. set up to support both efi and bios. |
| 05:59.02 | kreyren | if curl is missing on your system -> install it |
| 05:59.14 | jetblackcloud | on a reboot with rescue, update-grub works without issue. |
| 05:59.52 | jetblackcloud | but, during expert install phase, in the shell at the end, after the grub-install routines are run, update-grub hangs with nothing |
| 05:59.58 | kreyren | jetblackcloud, interesting.. what grub-mkconfig is used on rescue distro? host or chroot? |
| 06:00.14 | jetblackcloud | chroot |
| 06:00.30 | kreyren | what kernel is used on host and chroot |
| 06:00.31 | jetblackcloud | and it's hanging in chroot during initial install |
| 06:00.46 | kreyren | did you tried to pass grub-mkconfig manually? |
| 06:02.10 | jetblackcloud | same kernel. 4.19.0-5-amd64. tried running grub-mkconfig manually. same issue. |
| 06:02.40 | deetwelve | themill: strange that the file i used to edit and comment out ipv6 would force all ipv4 binds. now anytime i run something its automatically binding to ipv6 which i dont want. |
| 06:02.49 | kreyren | just to be sane: `sudo apt update -y && sudo apt upgrade -y && sudo apt dist-upgrade -y && sudo apt autoremove -y` |
| 06:04.10 | kreyren | jetblackcloud, try also `source /etc/profile` in case system is unable to grab it manually |
| 06:04.23 | kreyren | *automatically |
| 06:08.03 | jetblackcloud | kreyren: no luck. apt commands didn't do it. "source" sommand not found. |
| 06:08.13 | jetblackcloud | still hanging |
| 06:08.18 | kreyren | source command not found? |
| 06:08.22 | kreyren | what shell are you using |
| 06:08.52 | jetblackcloud | expert install. "chroot target" |
| 06:09.10 | kreyren | output of `echo $SHELL` |
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| 06:09.54 | kreyren | wait is it that new installer for debian? |
| 06:09.58 | themill | deetwelve: out of interest, what are you trying to achieve here? |
| 06:10.22 | jetblackcloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.40 | jetblackcloud | kreyren: yes. it's the buster installer |
| 06:10.41 | deetwelve | id like to disable ipv6 so all applications on my server bind to ipv4 |
| 06:11.03 | themill | deetwelve: what is not offering ipv4 currently? |
| 06:11.04 | kreyren | jetblackcloud, interesting it might be some issue there.. try executing `/bin/bash` if it allows you but i doubt it |
| 06:11.25 | jetblackcloud | got me root |
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| 06:11.55 | deetwelve | its not that its not offering ipv4, its just a pain to have to define it. and currently i cant find the parms for caddy to bind to 4 |
| 06:11.58 | jetblackcloud | root in sh as well |
| 06:12.09 | jetblackcloud | still hanging in bash |
| 06:12.27 | kreyren | jetblackcloud, so bash works? if yes -> try executing it now |
| 06:12.44 | themill | deetwelve: most daemons would listen on all available networks |
| 06:12.48 | kreyren | jetblackcloud, also i would suggest you to verify checksum of installer in case it got corrupted |
| 06:12.50 | jetblackcloud | kreyren: i did. update-grub is still hanging. |
| 06:13.25 | kreyren | sounds like bug to me then.. so we can either try to fix the installer or you can check if it's corrupted |
| 06:13.25 | jetblackcloud | installer is fine. verified on download. and "update-grub" works if i reboot in rescue mode and run it. |
| 06:13.26 | themill | deetwelve: no idea what caddy is though -- it doesn't seem to be in debian? |
| 06:13.36 | deetwelve | caddyserver.com |
| 06:13.54 | jetblackcloud | something is locking it up. |
| 06:14.14 | kreyren | jetblackcloud, try to nuke /boot/grub and reinstall it then followup with update-grub |
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| 06:14.36 | ratrace | jetblackcloud, you could try strace it |
| 06:16.52 | jetblackcloud | still ocked after a nuke and reinstall |
| 06:16.58 | kreyren | jetblackcloud, also gimme output of `ls -la /boot | curl -n -F 'f:1=<-' http://ix.io` |
| 06:17.22 | kreyren | i want to verify that kernel, initramfs and other files are there |
| 06:18.23 | jetblackcloud | curl not found |
| 06:18.30 | kreyren | jetblackcloud, apt install curl |
| 06:18.50 | kreyren | jetblackcloud, it's going to sent the output on ix.io so that you can paste it here |
| 06:20.18 | deetwelve | themill: strange that netstat is showing it binded to ipv6 but its working on ipv4 |
| 06:21.03 | jetblackcloud | kreyren: http://ix.io/10rM |
| 06:21.14 | jetblackcloud | doubt it's helpful |
| 06:21.54 | kreyren | jetblackcloud, what am i looking at? it has C function instead of requested output.. did you paste wrong url? |
| 06:22.07 | jetblackcloud | let me try again |
| 06:23.28 | jetblackcloud | same url given |
| 06:23.33 | kreyren | weird |
| 06:23.51 | kreyren | i dont believe you triple check it |
| 06:24.08 | jetblackcloud | ok |
| 06:24.15 | kreyren | said function doesnt even have anything relevant to the command provided.. it must be wrong url |
| 06:25.36 | kreyren | or curl hugged up |
| 06:25.37 | kreyren | hm |
| 06:25.56 | jetblackcloud | same url |
| 06:26.03 | kreyren | checking |
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| 06:27.20 | kreyren | two theories: 1) issue with glibc ; 2) DNS resolution or internet connection issue |
| 06:28.26 | kreyren | `ping google.com` if fails try `ping 1.1.1.1` if fails -> internet connection issue. |
| 06:29.30 | jetblackcloud | kreyren: ahh. it's all piped through tor. so if it's a udp issue, won't work. |
| 06:29.40 | kreyren | i see |
| 06:30.24 | jetblackcloud | however, version coming up from straight command is all 4.19.0-5-amd64 |
| 06:30.34 | jetblackcloud | from ls |
| 06:31.42 | kreyren | sec |
| 06:33.53 | kreyren | jetblackcloud, invoke `if ! grep -qF /boot/{initrd.img,config,System.map,vmlinuz}-4.19.0-5-amd64; then echo "all gut"; fi` |
| 06:33.55 | kreyren | report output |
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| 06:35.39 | xbow | good day |
| 06:35.54 | jetblackcloud | kreyren: that is hanging as well |
| 06:36.02 | kreyren | O.o |
| 06:36.32 | kreyren | theories: hugged up scheduler, glibc issue |
| 06:36.55 | jetblackcloud | kreyren: this is with a fresh install |
| 06:37.07 | kreyren | sorry i sent wrong logic try this: `if grep -qF /boot/{initrd.img,config,System.map,vmlinuz}-4.19.0-5-amd64; then echo "all gut"; fi` |
| 06:38.46 | jetblackcloud | also hanging |
| 06:38.53 | kreyren | elaborate hanging |
| 06:39.09 | jetblackcloud | text drops to next line |
| 06:39.14 | jetblackcloud | no blinking cursor |
| 06:39.16 | jetblackcloud | nothing |
| 06:39.21 | kreyren | wait you are using sh so it wont work since i'm using {something,something1} |
| 06:39.22 | jetblackcloud | absolute stall |
| 06:39.28 | kreyren | hm |
| 06:39.41 | jetblackcloud | should i go back to bash |
| 06:40.19 | kreyren | verify that there are config- , System.map-, vmlinuz-, initrd.img- suffixed with your kernel version in /boot |
| 06:40.51 | jetblackcloud | they are there |
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| 06:41.53 | kreyren | then i would say either glibc issue, hugged up scheduler or pebcak that i'm not seeing. passing since i'm out of ideas |
| 06:42.21 | kreyren | jetblackcloud, report back if you find a solution plz |
| 06:42.42 | jetblackcloud | kreyren: i'm at a loss as well. i read that os-prober may have been the issue. but, i've tried removing it in test runs and this still happens. |
| 06:43.08 | kreyren | it would have some output without os-prober based on my experience |
| 06:43.22 | jetblackcloud | oddly, if i just let the standard non-expert run through, it works without issue. and with stretch, this issue didn't happen with expert install. |
| 06:43.40 | kreyren | and assuming that curl returns C function it seems like something wrong with glibc or it may be affected by you using tor, but i lack the experience in that area |
| 06:44.11 | jetblackcloud | if i reboot and go into rescue mode, update-grub works fine once i mount and drop the shell. |
| 06:44.13 | kreyren | jetblackcloud, i would suggest filing a bug report and provide info for reproduction |
| 06:44.29 | epony | jetblackcloud you should read grep's man page |
| 06:44.34 | jetblackcloud | ok. |
| 06:44.53 | kreyren | epony, eh? i've provided that logic for grep |
| 06:45.07 | jetblackcloud | maybe i'm missing something. let me give you basic steps. |
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| 06:45.44 | jetblackcloud | partition is formatted msdos, based on people potentially having non-uefi. never been an issue before. |
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| 06:46.01 | jetblackcloud | for old machines. |
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| 06:46.24 | jetblackcloud | have a fat32 for the uefi install |
| 06:46.27 | epony | kreyren yep whoever wrote the grep line |
| 06:46.33 | jetblackcloud | a boot partition |
| 06:46.36 | jetblackcloud | both primary |
| 06:46.39 | kreyren | epony, works on my system (tm) |
| 06:47.07 | jetblackcloud | encrypted root in 3rd logical partition |
| 06:47.13 | kreyren | jetblackcloud, uefi doesnt care about filesystem you can use any table based on my results |
| 06:47.22 | epony | kreyren try with $ grep . |
| 06:47.38 | jetblackcloud | go through expert install and get to point of asking to install boot loader. choose "continue without boot loader." drop to shell. |
| 06:47.58 | jetblackcloud | mount the random requirements. chroot target. |
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| 06:48.22 | kreyren | elaborate mount the random requirements |
| 06:48.31 | kreyren | is proc mounted? that might be the issue |
| 06:48.48 | jetblackcloud | kreyren: proc is being bitchy |
| 06:48.52 | jetblackcloud | not found |
| 06:49.10 | jetblackcloud | i mounted it when i chrooted into target and it was still fubar |
| 06:49.10 | kreyren | there is your issue then assuming using chroot |
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| 06:49.28 | jetblackcloud | can't mount it outside chroot |
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| 06:49.53 | kreyren | jetblackcloud, mount --types proc none "PATH/proc/" |
| 06:50.08 | jetblackcloud | in chroot environment? |
| 06:50.12 | kreyren | outside |
| 06:51.00 | kreyren | jetblackcloud, referencing https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Chroot#Configuration which works for me for chroot.. debian's wiki is confusing for it |
| 06:51.10 | kreyren | epony, true, mb |
| 06:51.24 | jetblackcloud | not working |
| 06:51.33 | kreyren | elaborate not working |
| 06:51.48 | epony | happens.. have to "test", maybe [ and -f |
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| 06:52.12 | jetblackcloud | giving me error of "mount [OPTIONS] [-o OPT] DEVICE NODE |
| 06:52.16 | jetblackcloud | bushyy box |
| 06:52.20 | jetblackcloud | busy box |
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| 06:52.29 | jetblackcloud | so, not seeing args |
| 06:52.41 | kreyren | interesting |
| 06:53.09 | kreyren | > "PATH/proc/ ;; did you replaced path with your path? |
| 06:53.48 | jetblackcloud | yes |
| 06:54.15 | jetblackcloud | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:54.25 | jetblackcloud | maybe /target/dev/proc |
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| 06:54.26 | kreyren | sanity: i understand that expert install on debian invokes chroot? |
| 06:54.30 | jetblackcloud | let me try again |
| 06:54.37 | kreyren | denied /dev/proc is wrong |
| 06:56.29 | jetblackcloud | tried "mount -t proc p /proc" |
| 06:56.39 | jetblackcloud | "device or resource busy" |
| 06:56.42 | eblip | hey journalctl -r doesnt appear to work on debian |
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| 06:56.53 | eblip | meant to reverse the output |
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| 06:58.25 | kreyren | jetblackcloud, "mount -t proc p /proc" -> "p" is syntax err |
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| 07:01.54 | jetblackcloud | already mounted |
| 07:01.58 | jetblackcloud | tried that earlier |
| 07:02.07 | jetblackcloud | i'll unmount and retry |
| 07:02.21 | kreyren | `umount -r /target` and mount it according to gentoo wiki provided |
| 07:02.31 | kreyren | *`umount -R /target` |
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| 07:02.46 | kreyren | but it's probably not going to allow you |
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| 07:04.01 | kreyren | referencing: https://github.com/RXT067/Scripts/blob/kreyren/chrooter this is what i'm using for chroot, but it has issues on proc logic and umount so i woudn't recommend using it |
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| 07:04.56 | jetblackcloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:05.17 | kreyren | glibc issue, hugged up scheduler or wrong mount points |
| 07:05.23 | kreyren | else i dunno |
| 07:06.35 | jetblackcloud | kreyren: thanks for your help |
| 07:06.49 | jetblackcloud | i've been picking my brain on this one as well |
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| 07:07.55 | friendlyGoat | for some reason out of nowhere i can no longer use apt-get upgrade on my home-server. whenever i try all i get is this |
| 07:07.55 | friendlyGoat | "The value 'stable' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources" |
| 07:07.55 | friendlyGoat | and i have no idea how i'd go about fixing it |
| 07:08.02 | friendlyGoat | no matter what i look up theres nothing |
| 07:08.20 | themill | friendlyGoat: sounds like you have some bad pinning there |
| 07:08.31 | xbow | friendlyGoat: you have to replace "stable" with "oldstable" |
| 07:08.38 | themill | (Default-Release is basically a misfeature that shouldn't be used anyway) |
| 07:08.44 | jetblackcloud | kreyren: is there a set of standrd mounts one should go to on drop to shell before chroot? maybe i'm missing one. |
| 07:08.50 | xbow | friendlyGoat: guess you don't use buster yet |
| 07:09.01 | friendlyGoat | buster came out? |
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| 07:09.12 | xbow | friendlyGoat: yep |
| 07:09.20 | jetblackcloud | i mount sysfs, proc and dev |
| 07:09.27 | xbow | friendlyGoat: so stretch is now oldstable |
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| 07:10.24 | friendlyGoat | where would i go about changing stable to oldstable? |
| 07:10.35 | themill | !show sources.list friendlyGoat |
| 07:10.35 | dpkg | friendlyGoat: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} |
| 07:10.52 | generic | dist-upgrade |
| 07:11.39 | xbow | friendlyGoat: just try # rgrep -nie 'stable' /etc/apt |
| 07:11.48 | jetblackcloud | kreyren: sorry, pts was being bitchy, not proc. |
| 07:12.01 | xbow | friendlyGoat: this will show all occurences |
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| 07:13.00 | friendlyGoat | https://pastebin.com/0T0HCsGm |
| 07:13.25 | xbow | friendlyGoat: do that rgrep |
| 07:13.25 | kreyren | jetblackcloud, yep, but i dont know how to umount it.. i have theory to use --lazy on it but it needs more testing |
| 07:13.31 | themill | friendlyGoat: there is no need to have Default-Release configured at all |
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| 07:13.44 | kreyren | jetblackcloud, this is standart mount for chroot https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Chroot#Configuration |
| 07:14.02 | kreyren | since you need dev,proc,sys and temp |
| 07:14.05 | friendlyGoat | https://pastebin.com/7FEaYx8t |
| 07:14.05 | kreyren | *tmp |
| 07:14.37 | generic | kreyren: I never mount tmp... |
| 07:14.41 | themill | friendlyGoat: you can probably just delete /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00local -- is there anything else in that file? |
| 07:14.53 | xbow | friendlyGoat: yep replace stable with oldstable in line 4 |
| 07:15.13 | xbow | /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00local:1:APT::Default-Release stable; |
| 07:16.36 | kreyren | generic, i do since i'm using portage/paludis |
| 07:16.41 | friendlyGoat | i think things are sorted out, thanks |
| 07:16.42 | generic | is there a way to prevent xserver-xorg-video-nouveau from being installed when I aimed for video-intel? |
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| 07:17.42 | xbow | friendlyGoat: works? |
| 07:18.01 | friendlyGoat | i used apt-get upgrade now its downloading stuff again |
| 07:18.06 | xbow | very good |
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| 07:24.09 | friendlyGoat | gonna upgrade to buster, thanks a bunch ya'll! |
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| 07:24.20 | kreyren | ~~upgrade to bullseye~~ |
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| 07:38.33 | Kon- | !ssb |
| 07:38.33 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 07:40.50 | Kon- | !bdo |
| 07:40.50 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <buster backports>) and oldstable (<stretch backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 07:41.16 | zamuro | Kon- You bored at home or something? |
| 07:41.23 | zamuro | !flood |
| 07:41.23 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, ask me about <paste> |
| 07:41.54 | Kon- | Well, I want to know if the "enable backports" step is required to build a deb from deb-src sid on a Testing installation |
| 07:42.10 | at0m | Kon-: you can also /msg dpkg $factoid |
| 07:42.18 | Kon- | Fair enough |
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| 07:42.49 | Kon- | I didn't think I was flooding, but I can indeed query the bot |
| 07:43.04 | Kon- | However, the bot doesn't seem to have the answer to my question |
| 07:43.20 | at0m | if the info is relevant to the discussion here, you can !factoid, if it's for single user there's "dpkg: tell $nick about $factoid" |
| 07:44.01 | ratrace | what kind of policy does debian apply to firefox-esr; now with 68.0-ESR released can we ever expect that version (or perhaps the next ESR) in stable? |
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| 07:44.31 | at0m | ratrace: only security-updates, afaik |
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| 07:46.02 | ratrace | at0m: but 60.x.x (current esr) expires in october |
| 07:46.44 | annadane | when esr goes EOL we'll see the new esr |
| 07:46.59 | sedrosken | yeah they' |
| 07:47.01 | sedrosken | erp |
| 07:47.08 | sedrosken | they'll figure it out then i'm sure |
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| 07:47.11 | at0m | ratrace: for desktop use, feel free to use backports or testing/sid. on servers, it would become messy if automated (security-)updates changed functionality, let alone config syntax etc |
| 07:47.16 | annadane | who decided to put ' and enter right next to each other on keyboards anyway??? |
| 07:47.52 | sedrosken | aren't the current qwerty keymaps based on typewriters |
| 07:47.57 | annadane | at least 60 -> 68 isn't going to require a large amount of rust backporting |
| 07:48.03 | annadane | like 52 -> 60 was |
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| 07:48.21 | ratrace | at0m: yeah i know but iam not asking about that |
| 07:49.15 | vsayikiran | hi i am debian buster+mate+lightdm user with 2 local accounts user1 and user2......I wish to setup each account with its own locale values. Such that all menus are displayed in their local language......currently locales are installed and env variables set up, but only default english is applied across all user accounts. Kindly help me in this regard. |
| 07:49.16 | vsayikiran | user1 : https://pastebin.com/Zv2JpYCS |
| 07:49.16 | vsayikiran | user2 : https://pastebin.com/JDT93k9a |
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| 07:49.43 | at0m | ratrace: maybe ff makes it to StableUpdates, idk https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates |
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| 07:49.53 | at0m | different repo though |
| 07:51.30 | ratrace | at0m: both stretch and jessie have upgraded to 60.x.x so iam assuming that as the debian policy for firefox-esr; just wasn't sure |
| 07:52.51 | noln | Kon-, backports is for isntalling pre-built pkgs from testing on stable. It's not to be enabled on testing. To build a package, apt-get -b source |
| 07:53.05 | ratrace | ah and i can use flatpak too? how's flatpak support on debian? |
| 07:53.45 | annadane | fine afaict |
| 07:53.58 | annadane | for firefox specifically? i don't know |
| 07:54.04 | Kon- | Okay noln, thanks. That's what I assumed but was confused because the info bot said "2) enable debian-backports" was step 2 for building a package from sid source |
| 07:54.47 | Kon- | I guess the purpose of that is to make sure Stable users have the most up to date libs before compiling |
| 07:54.52 | ratrace | annadane: i meant in general, i guess individual flatpak packages just work if the framework works |
| 07:55.04 | annadane | i haven't heard any problems |
| 07:55.11 | ratrace | i'll give it a spin |
| 07:55.22 | annadane | in stretch they actually recommended you install from backports but no longer as of buster, obviously |
| 07:56.17 | annadane | which may or may not change as buster ages but i guess flatpak was new as of stretch? |
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| 07:57.03 | noln | Kon-, the ssb factoid tells how to make a backport. In general, compiling is done against the distro libs: to compile for stable you use libs from stable, not testing. |
| 07:58.10 | noln | That's what makes a frozen release... frozen. |
| 07:58.41 | weedly | and then you chill |
| 07:58.46 | annadane | initial release for flatpak, september 2015, so... stretch was the first release to include it |
| 07:59.02 | annadane | so now that it's matured it's unclear whether one will want to use buster-backports for flatpak in future |
| 07:59.26 | annadane | well i suppose it might've been in jessie backports but you get the point |
| 07:59.28 | ratrace | depends on functionality wanted or required? |
| 08:00.05 | annadane | the only two things *i* noticed were syntax changes compared to the manual and the fact flatpak's website specifically recommended stretch users to use the backports version |
| 08:01.16 | ratrace | probably due to those early versions needing bugs ironed out |
| 08:03.06 | annadane | ,v flatpak |
| 08:03.08 | judd | Package: flatpak on amd64 -- stretch-security: 0.8.9-0+deb9u2; stretch: 0.8.9-0+deb9u3; stretch-backports: 1.2.4-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.2.4-1; bullseye: 1.4.2-2; sid: 1.4.2-2 |
| 08:03.55 | annadane | oh right jessie-backports is discontinued anyway |
| 08:04.03 | annadane | was wondering if it'd show up there or not |
| 08:04.39 | noln | flatkill.org and other interesting articles discuss security problems of flatpaks et similia. Some are even inherent to the idea of a "bundled application image". |
| 08:06.41 | weedly | thats what you use to distro trojans |
| 08:07.31 | weedly | vul lib bundled in PROFIT |
| 08:07.45 | weedly | NSA lovers it |
| 08:08.50 | annadane | i've seen that and related discussions and i'm still pretty comfortable using flatpaks, but make up your own mind |
| 08:08.58 | annadane | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18180017 related discussion |
| 08:09.08 | ratrace | that's a rather old fud site; most of those arguments are not specific to flatpak packaged software; besides containers never were security frameworks as one needs something like selinux to secure them |
| 08:09.20 | annadane | that being said i use them for one package and not 20 of them |
| 08:09.45 | ratrace | it's good to have them should one need something unavailable regularly |
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| 08:12.24 | annadane | i need to go over the manual more some day, there's a *lot* of behind the scenes stuff functionality that's easy to gloss over |
| 08:12.36 | annadane | it's fairly sophisticated |
| 08:12.51 | annadane | and better than snaps |
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| 08:13.48 | annadane | i'm also honestly getting a little tired of "could execute arbitrary code" when the likelihood of it happening for any given vulnerability in any program is 0.00000000001% |
| 08:14.15 | annadane | i mean that's an exaggeration but still |
| 08:14.30 | noln | the point is that sandboxing is done by using a different uid and Xorg anyway, anything else is escapable by definition. Containers are meant to be secure as long as uid 0 is not mapped inside the container. |
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| 08:15.09 | noln | containers meaning lxc etc. |
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| 08:19.04 | annadane | i think given a choice you probably should use something other than flatpak (for various reasons) but they're a good resource i suppose |
| 08:19.30 | annadane | whether flatpak is ESPECIALLY a security nightmare compared to other containerizations... i don't know |
| 08:21.01 | ratrace | on fedora at least it is secured by selinux |
| 08:21.03 | weedly | flatpak should run virtualized |
| 08:21.23 | weedly | any container really |
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| 08:21.29 | ratrace | so i suppose on debian, without selinux, there nowhere near similar promise of security |
| 08:21.36 | annadane | http://docs.flatpak.org/en/latest/sandbox-permissions-reference.html |
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| 08:21.59 | weedly | under a striprd down kernel built for virtualization |
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| 08:22.34 | jaggz | how do I scan networks (using a wifi-radar) when the wifi manager is using the device? |
| 08:22.55 | jaggz | I think I used to be able to use it, intermittently or something -- it used to figure out a way to access it, or find some window of time? |
| 08:23.03 | jaggz | but now, no matter what, I get "Device or resource busy" |
| 08:23.59 | weedly | get s scond wifi key |
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| 08:25.30 | annadane | "It is recommended to run such applications under a Wayland session that provides real isolation between graphical applications, unlike X." https://wiki.debian.org/FlatpakHowto#Security_Warning_Note |
| 08:25.35 | annadane | interesting |
| 08:25.38 | annadane | anyway, good night |
| 08:26.12 | weedly | isnt buster using wayland? |
| 08:26.56 | ratrace | by default gnome+wayland yes |
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| 09:24.03 | kojibka | I've sticked to Buster since initial 'testing' time. Starting from March or May I could not get any updates except 3-rd party software due to it's Frozen state. Now as it is 'stable' I still could not update/upgrade it. Does it mean my system is in full order? I did try # apt-get update --allow-release-change , no luck so far. My ' /etc/apt/sources.list' : http://paste.debian.net/1091572/ |
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| 09:27.53 | kojibka | Looked at it myself and got shocked |
| 09:28.25 | diogenes_ | kopper, it's all commented. |
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| 09:29.01 | kojibka | Yes, sure =0 |
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| 09:29.53 | kojibka | Have no idea how it happened |
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| 09:31.08 | kojibka | Does this https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList apply to Buster as well? |
| 09:31.27 | kojibka | In full degree I mean? |
| 09:33.54 | Tom-_ | i don't know what your question is, but the sources.list format hasn't changed that i konw of |
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| 09:36.04 | humpled | strange the page has been updated to show buster but not to remove gksu |
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| 09:47.10 | Tom-_ | your sources.list looks fine. what is the symptom exactly? |
| 09:47.11 | Tom-_ | !ask |
| 09:47.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 09:49.13 | humpled | looks to me like one of the security lines should be uncommented |
| 09:49.13 | kojibka | Tom-_: #diogenes_: stated it right. All was commented out. That was surely not me. Probably some Buster transition bugs. All I did was follow wiki page above and all set back to normal |
| 09:49.50 | kojibka | Have no idea how it could happen! |
| 09:50.03 | humpled | the main line at the bottom won't give any upgrades until the next point release i guess |
| 09:50.08 | Tom-_ | me neither, unless it was always commented out and you were really using some other sources file |
| 09:50.16 | Tom-_ | but humpled is right, you should include security updates |
| 09:50.36 | Tom-_ | !security |
| 09:50.36 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ buster/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>, <browser security>. |
| 09:51.51 | kojibka | I've edited it down to : http://paste.debian.net/1091574/ and it seems to work normal so far |
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| 09:53.54 | dutchfish | kojibka, right, th elast 2 lines ensure, when using volatile, it gets the proper updates |
| 09:54.16 | dutchfish | (important) |
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| 09:58.08 | dutchfish | one more thought, when you come from stretch is, sudo apt dist-upgrade, so all newer is pulled in, when apt/source.list is correct. |
| 09:59.10 | dutchfish | then check obselete packages |
| 10:01.12 | kojibka | dutchfish: Buster present on my system since it was 'testing' - almost from the first day. More then 1 year by now.ðï¸ |
| 10:02.00 | kojibka | All this mess started the time is was declared 'Frozen-state' |
| 10:02.39 | kojibka | Anyway it is OK for now |
| 10:02.55 | kojibka | Thanks to developers! |
| 10:03.27 | dutchfish | kojibka, i have the same going on, still, after dist-upgrade it updated the sources.list automagically to stable. as is yours now. Of couse, after Buster was released. |
| 10:03.51 | dutchfish | kojibka, and apt got updated in the process. |
| 10:04.56 | dutchfish | kojibka, it tested both ways 1. Buster testing -> Buster stable. 2. Stretch upgrading to Buster, after Buster was released. |
| 10:05.43 | dutchfish | apart from some obselete packages to be removed manually, no problems, so far. |
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| 10:06.34 | kojibka | dutchfish: For me 'buster' instead of 'testing' in 'sources.list' kept me safe from any other problems. This should give a rough idea to developers. May be it's time to avoid 'old-stable' , 'stable' and 'testing' in 'sources.list'? What do you think? As soon as release got upgraded there's a lot of confusion over veteran-noobs like myself! |
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| 10:07.08 | dutchfish | kojibka, right. I did the same. |
| 10:07.49 | dutchfish | kojibka, but there is more under the hood, inside Buster. |
| 10:08.06 | kojibka | dutchfish: like what? |
| 10:08.07 | dutchfish | kojibka, like sigs being updated. |
| 10:08.35 | kojibka | dutchfish: which ones? |
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| 10:08.48 | dutchfish | (when you come from testing) |
| 10:09.08 | dutchfish | the one sneeded by apt |
| 10:09.15 | dutchfish | the ones needed by apt* |
| 10:09.31 | kojibka | dutchfish: I stick to 'apt-get' |
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| 10:09.47 | kojibka | is 'apt' really better? |
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| 10:10.20 | dutchfish | kojibka, i cant really judge, but so far (i use it now for about 6 months), it did a fine job. |
| 10:11.04 | kojibka | which one is freshier: aptitude, apt or apt-get? |
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| 10:11.43 | dutchfish | kojibka, i use all tree, depending on the release, for now i tend to accept apt as the better one for Buster. |
| 10:11.47 | kojibka | and what are the reasons to mess up with them constantly switching over in Wiki and other places? |
| 10:11.54 | miskatonic | what is 'freshier' ? |
| 10:12.09 | kojibka | newer |
| 10:12.27 | kojibka | ðï¸ |
| 10:12.29 | kojibka | sort of |
| 10:12.51 | dutchfish | having said that, some thngs are easier to accomplish in aptitude still, but that are only niche cases. |
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| 10:13.13 | kojibka | hardware limited? |
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| 10:14.03 | dutchfish | i dont believe hardware has something to do with it |
| 10:14.09 | reCAP | still nothing beats make install |
| 10:14.17 | zophyx_ | supposedly aptitude can be smarter with dependency resolution problems |
| 10:14.22 | miskatonic | aptitude is better for exploring the range of packages available in a distribution and discover alternatives |
| 10:14.30 | dutchfish | zophyx_, yes, exactly that |
| 10:14.32 | zophyx_ | but i say.. meh |
| 10:15.09 | reCAP | so you dont use the gnome store? |
| 10:15.31 | zophyx_ | what's the name of the gui pck man ? selectitude ? |
| 10:15.48 | miskatonic | of course I dio not use gnome store as I do not use anything gnomish |
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| 10:16.10 | zophyx_ | wow, a gnome/debian store is a good idea |
| 10:17.02 | kojibka | zophyx_: !) |
| 10:17.43 | nope | Hi. when the computer sleeps the audio seems to change from hdmi/displayport to digital output. This is on buster gnome. Is there any way to make it stick to hdmi? |
| 10:17.47 | kojibka | Call it GoDian! |
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| 10:20.49 | zophyx_ | hmmm we have a store here called the "Knotty Gnome" |
| 10:21.12 | zophyx_ | variety and salvage |
| 10:21.13 | kojibka | ð®ï¸ |
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| 10:23.43 | kojibka | zophyx_: too far from me! And I suggested a real Store with 'non-free' apps |
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| 10:26.22 | reCAP | will debian drop 32bit support soon? |
| 10:26.43 | zophyx_ | synaptic is the gui package manager |
| 10:26.51 | zophyx_ | nice program |
| 10:27.22 | kojibka | zophyx_: not in my case. Wayland takes over the whole Control |
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| 10:27.44 | kojibka | Though I used to like 'synaptic' for it's usability |
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| 10:28.47 | miskatonic | I boycott everything waylandish, so it can't take over the whole control |
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| 10:32.51 | mathieu | Hello |
| 10:33.11 | daifuco | Hi. when the computer sleeps the audio seems to change from hdmi/displayport to digital output. This is on buster gnome. Is there any way to make it stick to hdmi? |
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| 10:36.24 | mathieu | daifuco: I had the same issue, this is annoying and I finally disable the analog jack device directly in the bios to leave the HDMI as the sole sound output |
| 10:36.42 | zophyx_ | daifuco, you might have to find a way to run script on wakeup to correct that behavior |
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| 10:37.20 | mathieu | I wish there is a persistent file that keeps the default output configured between reboots |
| 10:38.17 | humpled | by sleep do you mean suspend to ram? |
| 10:40.04 | mathieu | humpled: no just an option that enable a device to be default and stays default even if another is connected and even if it is temporary disconnected |
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| 10:41.03 | mathieu | it has to be coded in junction between the UI setting and the sound server, that might be the reason why it is not yet implemented |
| 10:41.35 | mathieu | I have an issue with a newly installed buster (w/ Gnome), the log application does not have privilege access to system log. I prefer to ask before making a mistake, what privilege I have to modify to fix this problem? |
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| 10:44.11 | mathieu | The help is descriptive about the privilege scheme and how it works but is not specific to what group the admin user should have access to |
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| 10:47.51 | daifuco | thanks mathieu and zophyx_ , i tried the on wake script on ubuntu but i cant remember if it worked, ill check disabling the analog audio |
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| 11:13.47 | komunista | hi all |
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| 11:14.13 | komunista | please, how i can disable stateless DHCPv6 address in dhclient? |
| 11:14.34 | komunista | i found the -S option, but how i can set it with ifupdown? |
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| 11:26.04 | MTB2019 | using debian9. on chrome there is a script on acertan websites(newspapers) with the "accept cookies click OK" message... that makes the browser freeze for like 2 minutes. whois is very inconvenient as u can imagine. any clue how to fix this ? |
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| 11:32.22 | _Vi | Why `gpg2` can generate a detached signature, but `gpg1` says "secret key not available". Previously "aplty publish" worked, but after update to buster it doesn't. |
| 11:33.45 | jelly | is gpg1 still supported? |
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| 11:34.36 | _Vi | `strace` shows that `aptly publish` is calling it. |
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| 11:35.54 | jelly | ,v aptly |
| 11:35.55 | judd | Package: aptly on amd64 -- jessie: 0.8-3; jessie-security: 0.8-3+deb8u1; stretch: 0.9.7-1+b1; stretch-backports: 1.3.0-5~bpo9+1; buster: 1.3.0+ds1-2.2~deb10u1; bullseye: 1.3.0+ds1-2.2; sid: 1.3.0+ds1-2.2 |
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| 11:36.15 | _Vi | Currently installed version is 1.3.0+ds1-2.2~deb10u1 |
| 11:37.06 | _Vi | It executes `"gpg1", "-o", "/tmp/aptly060828294/Release.gpg", "--digest-algo", "SHA256", "--armor", "--yes", "-u", "0xD40...63A", "--detach-sign", "/tmp/aptly060828294/Release"`, which fails. |
| 11:37.22 | _Vi | If replace `gpg1` with `gpg2` then it generates the file. |
| 11:38.29 | Unit193 | https://github.com/aptly-dev/aptly/releases/tag/v1.4.0 notes that 1.4.0 fixes the gpg2 thing. |
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| 11:39.03 | _Vi | jelly, "is gpg1 still supported?" -> There is gnupg1 package in Buster, with higher version than in Stretch. |
| 11:39.44 | jelly | ,v gnupg1 |
| 11:39.45 | judd | Package: gnupg1 on amd64 -- stretch: 1.4.21-4+deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.4.21-4+deb9u1; bullseye: 1.4.23-1; buster: 1.4.23-1; sid: 1.4.23-1 |
| 11:39.53 | jelly | huh. |
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| 11:40.52 | _Vi | Isn't gpg1 a critical component, without which APT can't securely use repositories? |
| 11:45.09 | _Vi | Installed aptly 1.4.0 package from Github releases, but it still calls gpg1. |
| 11:45.36 | _Vi | It calls `gpg --version`, then `gpg1 --version`, then settles on using gpg1. |
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| 11:51.10 | jelly | apt uses gnupg v2 via gpgv preferentially now, _Vi |
| 11:51.10 | themill | _Vi: apt uses gpgv to verify signatures, not gpg. In principle, you can use either gpg1 or gpg2 to make the signatures, just that aptly hadn't caught up with the fact that everyone had moved on from gpg1 already |
| 11:51.28 | jelly | apt... Depends: adduser, gpgv | gpgv2 | gpgv1 |
| 11:51.49 | themill | _Vi: you'd need to export your key from gpg2 and import it into gpg1 to let aptly work with it |
| 11:53.30 | _Vi | Temporary hack that worked: `chmod o-x /usr/bin/gpg1`, then aptly, then `chmod o+x /usr/bin/gpg1`. |
| 11:53.53 | _Vi | Is it a good idea to file a bug for aptly on Github? |
| 11:53.54 | jelly | might as well leave it that way if it works |
| 11:54.14 | Unit193 | ...Or just remove the package. |
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| 11:54.42 | jelly | Unit193, aptly depends on gnupg1 |
| 11:54.55 | jelly | (the packaged one in buster, that is) |
| 11:55.07 | Unit193 | jelly: He mentioned that he got the one off github, I thought. |
| 11:55.44 | _Vi | 1.4.0 package from Github Releases depends on `bzip2, xz-utils, gnupg, gpgv`. |
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| 11:58.04 | themill | _Vi: if the aptly you have will instead run gpg2 and work, then you could remove the gpg1 package and pretend that it is installed with equivs. |
| 11:58.06 | themill | !equivs |
| 11:58.07 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
| 11:58.29 | themill | (Note that when using equivs and things break, you get to keep all the pieces) |
| 11:59.11 | _Vi | `apt-get remove gnupg1` simply removed this one package. `aptly upload` works after that. |
| 11:59.23 | _Vi | *aptly publish |
| 11:59.35 | themill | oh, you're using the upstream package not the Debian package? |
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| 12:00.48 | themill | (This is basically the standard failure mode of having both gnupg1 and gnupg2 installed, and it's not clear that there is any way of fixing that) |
| 12:01.33 | terr_ | she is 65 |
| 12:03.18 | jelly | terr_, you probably wanted #debian-offtopic not #debian |
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| 12:05.51 | NetTerminalGene | if i install bind9, do i have to configure it as dns resolver? |
| 12:06.04 | NetTerminalGene | or i don't need to configure it? |
| 12:06.20 | _Vi | Filed an issue against aptly: https://github.com/aptly-dev/aptly/issues/858 |
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| 12:09.00 | jelly | NetTerminalGene, do you _want_ it to work as a recursor / resolver? |
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| 12:09.58 | NetTerminalGene | jelly, i don't know what it is, but i just want it to be as resolver |
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| 12:15.16 | jelly | NetTerminalGene, it does not seem to be configured as resolver by default. It starts, listens on all interfaces, does not answer dig google.com @127.0.0.1 |
| 12:15.36 | terr_ | ian-9.7.0 and winntsp5 in do |
| 12:17.54 | jelly | NetTerminalGene, unless you have specific reasons to use Bind, there probably are better options for a local recursor. unbound or pdns-recursor come to mind |
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| 12:19.19 | terr_ | I havw somws one to to too |
| 12:20.09 | jelly | terr_, most of what you're writing does not seem to be coming through. If you're asking for tech help, make sure to read what your irc client is doing. |
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| 12:21.21 | terr_ | kelly |
| 12:21.27 | NetTerminalGene | jelly, do you know which package should i install for dig? |
| 12:21.34 | jelly | dnsutils |
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| 12:22.38 | jelly | NetTerminalGene, you can ask the bot which package provides a command, /msg judd bin/dig |
| 12:22.39 | terr_ | jelly so many lawyers |
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| 12:23.15 | jelly | NetTerminalGene, sorry, /msg judd file bin/dig |
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| 12:28.01 | terr_ | I have social workers |
| 12:28.38 | NetTerminalGene | jelly, dig A gnu.org @127.0.0.1 gives me output and 0 query time. does it work? but my /etc/resolv.conf shows the dns address i used before |
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| 12:30.18 | jelly | NetTerminalGene, I have no idea how bind9 integrates with resolvconf these days. See if there's a service missing. See if there's a README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/bind9/ |
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| 12:33.22 | saptech | greetings all |
| 12:33.29 | saptech | Hi all. Using Debian 10 (Buster), I just installed PekWM. Using mmaker to add my Mate DE apps to the menu is not working. |
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| 12:33.46 | saptech | mmaker runs as normal but is not creating a new menu, it keeps the default menu apps. |
| 12:34.00 | saptech | Any idea what may be happening and how to fix it? |
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| 12:37.37 | MTB2019 | i just dated/upgraded . any clue what could be up with these erros? https://paste.debian.net/1091584/ |
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| 12:37.51 | NetTerminalGene | jelly, i set networkmanager and it shows "nameserver 127.0.0.1" does it mean it is ok now? |
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| 12:38.00 | NetTerminalGene | it can connect sites |
| 12:38.46 | themill | MTB2019: you can install the firmware-misc-nonfree package as it contains some of those firmware blobs. You may or may not actually need those blobs for your hardware, of course. |
| 12:40.00 | jelly | NetTerminalGene, that seems fine. |
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| 12:40.49 | MTB2019 | themill: thx |
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| 13:07.09 | bouba | hi i need driver tp-link ac600 t2uh v2 ? |
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| 13:09.32 | jelly | bouba, a web search says roughly "get a wifi stick with better linux support" |
| 13:10.33 | jelly | bouba, what does "lsusb" say about it? |
| 13:10.54 | bouba | 1mn |
| 13:11.25 | bouba | jelly, Bus 005 Device 002: ID 148f:761a Ralink Technology, Corp. MT7610U ("Archer T2U" 2.4G+5G WLAN Adapter |
| 13:12.12 | bouba | sry |
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| 13:13.19 | ringofyre | bouba - https://static.tp-link.com/2018/201803/20180319/Archer_T2UH_Linux.zip ? |
| 13:13.20 | jelly | alias usb:v148Fp761Ad*dc*dsc*dp*ic*isc*ip*in* mt76x0 |
| 13:13.34 | jelly | so there technically is a driver in buster. |
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| 13:14.18 | jelly | ,file mt7610u.bin |
| 13:14.24 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 13:14.29 | jelly | but there's no firmwar. |
| 13:16.36 | jelly | bouba, get the firmware file mt7610u.bin from https://github.com/wkennington/linux-firmware/tree/master/mediatek/, put it in /lib/firmware/mediatek, create the directoty if it does not exist before that, reboot, plug it in and see if it works |
| 13:17.49 | bouba | jelly ok |
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| 14:17.26 | Antioch | Hello. I've used rsync to copy a set of files/folders from HostA to HostB, moved and renamed things on HostB and want to sync the changes back to HostA. It appears that rsync cannot simply move and rename files, and instead wants to copy all the changed files/folders back leaving me with two copies on HostA. Is there any other tool I can use that will simply move/rename files as necessary on HostA without leaving me with two copies? |
| 14:18.45 | themill | rsync can clean up the second copy (--delete options) but it will still do the transfer again. rsync is not a good tool for bidirectional syncing |
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| 14:19.16 | maze88 | Hi, I am getting a new laptop, what would be better, generally, and specifically for using with Debian - Dell Latitude 7300 or Thinkpad X390? |
| 14:20.21 | flipxyz | I really like thinkpads and never had any problem with it in terms of linux |
| 14:20.31 | Antioch | themill, what alternative do you suggest for this use case? |
| 14:20.33 | flipxyz | So I would X390 |
| 14:20.37 | petn-randall | maze88: Thinkpads are known to run well on Linux in general. Don't know much about that Dell model. But if you do a quick internet search of "Dell Latitude 7300 Debian" you'll likely find some blog post of any issues that showed up. |
| 14:20.45 | tiggster79 | maze88, either would be great, but Thinkpads are legendary for their Linux compatibility. |
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| 14:21.26 | silver_hook | After updating to Buster, does it make sense to purge the older PHP and Postgres versions? And if so how do I do that? |
| 14:21.27 | themill | Antioch: I like unison for such things but it's far from perfect. git-annex can work well if you're syncing via some sort of repo |
| 14:21.33 | oiaohm | petn-randall: dell it depends on the model |
| 14:21.47 | oiaohm | petn-randall: and configuration of that model. |
| 14:22.00 | maze88 | what do you mean by configuration of that model? |
| 14:22.02 | tiggster79 | Plus Thinkpads are just awesome! My Thinkpad X280 is the nicest computer I've ever owned. |
| 14:22.06 | petn-randall | silver_hook: You likely want to migrate any database over before removing old postgres. |
| 14:22.16 | vsayikiran | maze88: I run buster on Dell latitude D520, 500gb HDD 7200rpm, 1GB DDR2 RAM...purchased in 2006 |
| 14:22.49 | sysmox | lenovo has a poor linux support IMHO, don't know about DELL |
| 14:22.53 | oiaohm | tiggster79: the new thinkpads not so much they are starting to go the route of built in battery. |
| 14:23.00 | vsayikiran | since 2007 from time of debian 4.0(etch) and until now 2019 still working fine |
| 14:23.21 | tiggster79 | If you want to go Dell, the XPS 13 is probably the best bet if you want full Linux support |
| 14:23.27 | oiaohm | sysmox: again with lenovo it depend model. Lenovo does make some models intentionally with Linux support. |
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| 14:24.12 | Antioch | themill, thanks~ |
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| 14:24.14 | tiggster79 | oiaohm: I have absolutely no complaints about the X280. All of the hardware is directly supported in the kernel. |
| 14:25.11 | oiaohm | themill: https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201902-26864/ Dell latitude 7300 using the intel graphics is known to work. The 7300 with Nvidia graphics installed totally different beast. |
| 14:25.24 | themill | oiaohm: ETAB |
| 14:25.36 | maze88 | I heard Thinkpad were epic in the good-ol-days (IBM era) but Lenovo made them spiral down gradually.. |
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| 14:26.18 | sysmox | oiaohm: you are right. I just had a really bad experience with a Lenovo X1 Carbon. |
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| 14:27.26 | tiggster79 | maze88: I guess that depends on what you're looking for. They still are extremely durable and have amazing keyboards. If your goal is primarily expansion and upgrades, they have certainly slipped in that regard |
| 14:27.29 | maze88 | I think I am veering towards Dell, I 'feel' I believe in them more then.. |
| 14:27.34 | adfeno | After building a package using sbuild, I now have .DEB files, but how do I install them in my sbuild chroot / schroot ? |
| 14:28.20 | tiggster79 | maze88, honestly you won't go wrong with either |
| 14:28.22 | sysmox | Under Linux, different Lenovo models have what's called Thermal Throttling (CPU capped), plus, also some models affected by fan noise because of turbo boost stays at 4GHz in idle. Lenovo solution is powershell commands. |
| 14:28.53 | themill | adfeno: if you want to do that permanently, then enter the chroot and install them. If you want them available to apt as build-deps on a future build, then make a local apt repo |
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| 14:29.38 | oiaohm | sysmox: 2019 ThinkPad P-series from lenovo ship with Ubuntu installed out box. It really does depend on the model. |
| 14:29.41 | maze88 | powershell commands? that doesn't sound linux-y to me! ): |
| 14:30.01 | oiaohm | sysmox: and of course those are not using powershell hacks or any other hacks. |
| 14:30.12 | sysmox | maze88: https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/ht506625?CID=ww:lenovosocial:20x9m6&Source=social_eservices&Medium=TWITTER&Term=eServices_&Content=20190709_20190709175828&linkId=70261508 |
| 14:31.27 | adfeno | themill: Oh... I see now, thanks :D |
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| 14:31.57 | adfeno | I must go now, I'm in a hurry. Thank you all ! :D |
| 14:31.58 | sysmox | oiaohm: yes, some modes might be great, AFAK, none of them support fingerprint reader under linux (it might have changed, though) |
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| 14:32.38 | oiaohm | sysmox: the Linux only models from lenovo what fingerprint reader its not in the device. |
| 14:33.41 | oiaohm | sysmox: so I don't think that problem has changed since the Linux only models don't include it. |
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| 14:36.23 | NetTerminalGene | guys, i installed "bind9 bind9utils bind9-doc bind9-host" packages. i want to remove them, but it wants to remove core gnome packages too. how can i remove these packages without removing other packages? |
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| 14:37.16 | sourcream | What is most efficient way to blackhole or null route ip addresses in linux? |
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| 14:39.02 | xbow | sourcream: vim /etc/hosts |
| 14:39.13 | themill | NetTerminalGene: bind9-host is required; you can't remove it |
| 14:39.46 | sourcream | xbow, I need to ban proxies when detected. Does /etc/hosts update real time or requires restart? |
| 14:39.57 | NetTerminalGene | themill, thanks |
| 14:40.33 | xbow | sourcream: no restart required |
| 14:40.57 | sourcream | xbow, so it updates right away after its modified? |
| 14:41.05 | sourcream | Also what if there is bunch of lines |
| 14:41.08 | sourcream | like thousands? |
| 14:41.13 | petn-randall | sourcream: Adding things in /etc/hosts just changes the DNS resolution. If you want to blackhole IP addresses, you'd do that with `ip route`. |
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| 14:41.33 | sourcream | petn-randall, the ip route is it permanent btw |
| 14:41.33 | xbow | sourcream: dunno what you are up to |
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| 14:42.34 | petn-randall | sourcream: You'll need something to set it up permanently. Either script it, or use shorewall (or many other tools for the job). |
| 14:42.37 | _abc_ | Hello. Is there a debian package for gradio? I can only find sources and mint/etc packages. https://github.com/haecker-felix/gradio |
| 14:42.41 | xbow | sourcream: depends what you want to do... |
| 14:42.49 | xbow | sourcream: incoming traffic? |
| 14:42.50 | sourcream | petn-randall, oh okay, thanks a lot |
| 14:42.53 | sourcream | xbow, yeah |
| 14:42.59 | sourcream | If proxy tries to connect |
| 14:43.10 | sourcream | just dont let it in with minimal performance |
| 14:43.10 | xbow | aah oke so /etc/hosts won't help |
| 14:43.39 | petn-randall | sourcream: If you want to reject connections, you can simply use iptables for that. |
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| 14:43.56 | xbow | sourcream: https://dronebl.org/docs/howtouse |
| 14:44.44 | sourcream | petn-randall, doesnt matter I just look the most easiest way to drop packet |
| 14:45.00 | sourcream | xbow, let me see |
| 14:46.34 | petn-randall | sourcream: If the xbox doesn't do a DNS lookup, the connection will go straight through when using /etc/hosts. So setting a nullroute or rejecting packets is the safer option. |
| 14:47.05 | sourcream | petn-randall, oh okay I see! |
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| 14:47.29 | sourcream | Also for setting those routes, with having thousands or hundreds of thousands of those does it slow down the performance? |
| 14:47.47 | sourcream | @petn-randall, |
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| 14:48.07 | _abc_ | Is anyone here using kradio4 or gradio on debian? |
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| 14:48.49 | dob1 | hi, why in this guide https://wiki.debian.org/ZNC_IRC_bouncer it is suggested "adduser znc-admin sudo" ? |
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| 14:50.44 | petn-randall | sourcream: At hundreds of thousands, I'd go with "yes". |
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| 14:51.17 | petn-randall | sourcream: Though you can probably minimize impact by aggregating those IP addresses to address blocks. |
| 14:51.43 | tds | sounds like you might want to look at ipsets |
| 14:52.03 | sourcream | petn-randall, okay! Oh yeah I got you. But also is this null routing most efficient way to drop unwanted traffic from ip addresses? |
| 14:52.11 | sourcream | tds, hmm il google |
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| 14:55.58 | tds | if you want most efficient, dropping as early as possible (ie iptables raw/prerouting, or maybe with tc/nft) is probably what you want |
| 14:56.27 | tds | and use ipsets if you want to drop many things with quick hash based lookups |
| 14:56.54 | tds | if you need to drop an awful lot of traffic, you might also want to look at dropping directly on NICs |
| 14:57.20 | silver_hook | petn-randall: I already did the migrations. Just wondering if it makes sense for security reasons to clean up older versions of binaries |
| 14:57.47 | jelly | dob1, that's a VERY good question |
| 14:58.27 | jelly | my znc users definitely do not have sudo-to-root rights |
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| 14:59.57 | sourcream | tds, is the ipsets related to iptables |
| 15:00.10 | jelly | dob1, I would not trust znc with rights to become root. Skip that step, maybe. |
| 15:00.34 | sourcream | also the hash lookup, it doesnt slow down even when amount of blacklisted ips count right? |
| 15:00.48 | petn-randall | silver_hook: Yes, definitely. Also for sanity reasons, otherwise some software might be using old versions. |
| 15:00.50 | dob1 | jelly, to be honest I was thinking to put /bin/false as shell for the znc user, it is a bad idea? can I still run znc ? |
| 15:01.06 | dob1 | I think that even with /bin/false as shell I can run znc |
| 15:01.14 | dob1 | (any command) |
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| 15:01.32 | silver_hook | petn-randall: Thought so. So whatâs the process? Searching online produces all sorts of unhelpful quasi-tutorials |
| 15:01.42 | jelly | dob1, it's not a bad idea. You can run it with a custom systemd unit, or, more dumb, an @reboot cron job would do |
| 15:02.14 | dob1 | jelly, this was my first idea, then on the wiki I saw the sudo thing... I was a bit surprised |
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| 15:03.08 | jelly | dob1, whoever wrote that should have a VERY good explanation and reason, otherwise it feels rather insecure |
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| 15:03.27 | dob1 | jelly, it's on the official site |
| 15:05.09 | jelly | dob1, it's a wiki that anyone can edit. |
| 15:05.24 | maze88 | i am reviewing ubuntu-certified laptops (at https://certification.ubuntu.com/certification/make/Dell/ ), is there a similar list for debian-certified/supported/tested ones? i presume that fact that ubuntu will work on so many is because it contains many proprietary drivers, right? |
| 15:05.53 | dob1 | jelly, I was thinking that it was written by the maintainer |
| 15:06.33 | jelly | dob1, no. Don't take anything on wiki.debian.org as official documentation. |
| 15:06.54 | themill | decides to delete that line |
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| 15:20.35 | dob1 | jelly, do you use a self signed certificate ? |
| 15:20.42 | dob1 | (for znc) |
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| 15:21.24 | dob1 | I mean, I want to encrypt the connection between my pc and the pc where is running the bnc, even if they are on the same network. I was thinking to use a self signed cert. |
| 15:21.37 | jelly | dob1, yes, but I also access it only via vpn. |
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| 15:23.54 | tsujp | hey guys I am trying to set up an ssh tunnel from localhost, through the jumpbox host1, to the bastion host2 but it's not working. I use ssh keys for this, here's the command I am using, does anyone have any ideas? |
| 15:23.55 | tsujp | ssh -L 7007:localhost:7007 -i ~/foo/id_rsa root@host1 ssh -L 7007:localhost:7007 -N -i ~/bar/id_rsa root@host2 |
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| 15:23.59 | noln | maze88, not exhaustive and might contain errors, https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/ |
| 15:24.06 | dob1 | jelly, but if someone is connected to the same lan of your bnc (and you are not using a cert) it's a bit dangerous. |
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| 15:25.47 | jelly | dob1, I'm still using and verifying a cert. I just try to, in addition to that, never connect to znc over a public network. |
| 15:26.02 | noln | maze88, ubu may have a more recent kernel that supports more hardware |
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| 15:28.28 | jmcnaught | tsujp: do you know about ProxyJump (man ssh_config) and its commandline shortcut -J (man ssh)? You can probably simply do 'ssh -J user@host1 user@host2' |
| 15:28.47 | jmcnaught | tsujp: Also why log in as root, especially on the jump host? |
| 15:29.16 | tsujp | It's just how it's configured |
| 15:29.26 | tsujp | I'll give it a shot |
| 15:29.53 | tsujp | It needs to be a tunnel though because I want to run commands locally and have those hit the endpoint on host2, e.g. curl localhost:7007 and have it return the webpage on host2 and not my local machine |
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| 15:30.07 | tsujp | jmcnaught |
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| 15:32.59 | tsujp | I run into the problem that it cannot find ~/bar/id_rsa because those keys are on my local machine only |
| 15:34.13 | jelly | you'll have to use agent forwarding, or copy that private key to the jumphost |
| 15:34.41 | tsujp | I've heard agent forwarding isn't secure though |
| 15:34.56 | jelly | secure against what though? |
| 15:35.18 | tsujp | Unsure, just what I'd heard I'd need to look it up |
| 15:36.34 | jelly | if you don't trust the jumphost you can't do this at all, probably |
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| 15:37.49 | tsujp | Right, well let's just use ProxyJump for now because working > not-working |
| 15:38.01 | tsujp | How do I bind my localport say.. 9999 to the target host machine's port 9999 |
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| 15:38.23 | tsujp | So that I can view a website in my localbrowser, or do things like "curl localhost:9999" on my local machine and get the response from the server running on host2 |
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| 15:46.23 | jmcnaught | ProxyJump works without key forwarding |
| 15:47.16 | tsujp | Okay so I've got this working `ssh -J jump,host1 host2` |
| 15:47.35 | tsujp | But I don't want to actually ssh into the machine, I just want the tunnel, so I tried adding `-D 7007` but that doesn't work. Am I doing something wrong? |
| 15:47.47 | tsujp | I want to access 7007 on host2 from my localmachine (for development purposes) |
| 15:48.10 | rudi_s | tsujp: -L ? |
| 15:48.36 | vsayikiran | I wish to install flash plugin from adobe website in firefox. installation guide says to copy libflashplayer.so file to default plugins directory.....which is that directory? |
| 15:49.27 | jmcnaught | tsujp: yeah did you try "ssh -J user@host1 -L 7007:host2:7007 user@host2" |
| 15:49.55 | tsujp | I need the jump there also jmcnaught |
| 15:50.17 | tsujp | Hmm -L 7007:host2:7007 says it's already bound, so I set it to some random 9999 and it says it's also bound so something is going wrong there rudi_s |
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| 15:50.28 | jmcnaught | tsujp: that's what the -J was for in my command |
| 15:51.15 | Rust3dCor3 | Hi. Anyone know a nice prog. for replaygain editing for mp3 files for buster? I was using mp3gain and easymp3gain in the past. |
| 15:51.26 | tsujp | You've only got host1 and host2 in yours though but I need jump, host1 and host2 jmcnaught |
| 15:51.29 | noln | vsayikiran, should be .mozilla/plugins create it if it doesn't exist |
| 15:52.10 | jmcnaught | tsujp: there are three hosts involved? |
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| 15:52.47 | jelly | tsujp, host1 WAS the jumphost in your initial question? |
| 15:52.48 | tsujp | jmcnaught yeah. I need to go from my local machine to the jump host, into the bastion, into the target. |
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| 15:52.56 | tsujp | A -> B -> C -> D, I want A to D |
| 15:53.23 | tsujp | jelly no |
| 15:53.32 | noln | Rust3dCor3, apt-cache search replaygain |
| 15:53.34 | tsujp | Oh sorry I typed my initial question poorly, there are three hosts indeed. My apologies guys |
| 15:53.43 | tsujp | A local to D remote through B and C |
| 15:54.11 | vsayikiran | noln: in home directory |
| 15:54.12 | jmcnaught | tsujp: multiple jumps can be specified separated by commas |
| 15:54.45 | noln | vsayikiran, yes |
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| 16:00.14 | NetTerminalGene | i have set up bind9. when i enter a test site i see ISP DNS. is it ok? |
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| 16:00.44 | NetTerminalGene | i set DNS as 127.0.0.1 |
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| 16:13.26 | jmcnaught | NetTerminalGene: you have 127.0.0.1 in /etc/resolv.conf? Is it still there, is anything else there? How did you 'see ISP DNS?' |
| 16:14.14 | tsujp | okay jmcnaught I've got that but now I get curl: (56) Recv failure: Connection reset by peer |
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| 16:14.37 | tsujp | ssh -L 9999:ncx-stg-cn1:9999 -J jump,host1 host2 |
| 16:14.47 | tsujp | I guess actually can I forward my local 9999 to the host without a port on the host? |
| 16:15.04 | tsujp | I want to run this curl curl -X POST -H "Content-Type: application/json" --data '{"jsonrpc":"2.0","method":"web3_clientVersion","params":[],"id":67}' http://localhost:9999 |
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| 16:19.02 | jmcnaught | tsujp: with this command I only have keys on the local computer: 'ssh -J host1.example.org,host2.example.org -L 8080:target.example.org:80 host3.example.org' then if I go 'telnet localhost 8080' I am connected to port 80 on target.example.org |
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| 16:20.50 | srged | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.06 | NetTerminalGene | jmcnaught, yes 127.0.0.1 is in resolv.conf. https://browserleaks.com/ip this site shows what DNS you use |
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| 16:34.28 | tsujp | jmcnaught so I can get there then I am getting channel 5: open failed: connect failed: Temporary failure in name resolution |
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| 16:36.48 | srged | can anyone guide me how to remove a thick margin on my lxde screen ? |
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| 16:38.31 | petn-randall | srged: chain saw? |
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| 16:40.12 | jmcnaught | tsujp: sorry I don't now what's going wrong without seeing the commands you're using. Maybe there is a problem with network or DNS configuration? |
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| 16:41.29 | ratrace | petn-randall: lol |
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| 16:44.00 | srged | petn-randall: what do u mean |
| 16:44.36 | srged | petn-randall: oh i get it was a joke. |
| 16:45.21 | srged | however does anyone has any clue? coz i tried from the openbox manager and it cant be fixed from there |
| 16:46.23 | petn-randall | srged: Are you meaning the margin on the left? I'm not sure what you're referring to. |
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| 16:48.38 | srged | petn-randall: yes |
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| 17:02.25 | tsujp | right jmcnaught I got it, I needed to use -D to create a SOCKS proxy and then --socks5-hostname in curl to use it |
| 17:02.31 | tsujp | Thanks for the -J help though :D |
| 17:03.25 | petn-randall | srged: What OS release are you running? This looks like a custom theme that has a thick scroll margin set. |
| 17:03.50 | srged | pent debian 9 |
| 17:04.09 | srged | petn-randall: debian 9 |
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| 17:07.13 | petn-randall | srged: Have you tried changing your theme to verify if it's an issue with the theme? |
| 17:08.46 | humpled | normally margins can be set in ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml |
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| 17:10.16 | srged | petn-randall: ill upgrade to debian 10 and see what happens |
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| 17:14.25 | n-st | i'm trying to chroot into an old wheezy installation (3.16 kernel) from a live iso with kernel 4.19, and bash and zsh segfault immediately |
| 17:14.29 | n-st | is there anything i can do about that? |
| 17:14.46 | ChmEarl | n-st yes |
| 17:15.00 | petn-randall | srged: That's not a bad idea, though totally unrelated to your issue. |
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| 17:15.49 | ChmEarl | n-st vsyscall=emulate |
| 17:16.05 | n-st | ChmEarl: in the kernel commandline? |
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| 17:16.22 | ChmEarl | yes |
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| 17:19.07 | n-st | ChmEarl: works perfectly, thank you! :) |
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| 18:05.58 | bamrfr | I installed fonts-symbola but it does not seem to work |
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| 18:42.44 | seekr | Does anyone here have experience using Clonezilla and/or other techniques for cloning a partition? I want to move my installed system to a new machine. |
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| 18:59.02 | vlt | seekr: I just use "dd(rescue)" or "pv" to clone the disk and adapt sizes later. |
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| 19:22.46 | luna_ | Thanks for the help today |
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| 19:23.56 | debian-user | hi all |
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| 19:24.32 | debian-user | what controls the folder structure for newly created users in debian 9? |
| 19:24.44 | debian-user | i no longer see anything in /etc/skel that is relavent |
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| 19:26.08 | somiaj | what do you mean by folder structure? did you look at ls -a /etc/skel |
| 19:26.10 | nkuttler | debian-user: ls -a /etc/skel/ |
| 19:26.18 | debian-user | common guys |
| 19:26.20 | debian-user | seriously? |
| 19:26.24 | debian-user | that isn't even trying |
| 19:26.25 | nkuttler | yes |
| 19:26.37 | debian-user | there is nothing in a base install of /etc/skel that control the folders |
| 19:26.39 | somiaj | for the most part there are very few default things that debian setups, and that is a few dot files around bash |
| 19:26.41 | jmcnaught | debian-user: what directories do you mean? |
| 19:26.48 | nkuttler | debian-user: do you have bash installed? |
| 19:26.54 | debian-user | yet when i create a new user something creates /Downloads /Desktop etc |
| 19:26.58 | somiaj | so answer 'what do you mean by folder structure' |
| 19:27.10 | debian-user | users home dir folder structure |
| 19:27.11 | jmcnaught | debian-user: /etc/xdg/user-dirs.defaults |
| 19:27.12 | somiaj | debian-user: oh that is the desktop or filemanager app inside the desktop |
| 19:27.19 | debian-user | xdg? |
| 19:27.21 | moritz | Hi all. I've upgraded my server from stretch to buster, and now a systemd service that starts a docker container fails with: "Failed to trim compat systemd cgroup /system.slice/tau-alert.service: Device or resource busy" |
| 19:27.21 | debian-user | goddamnit |
| 19:27.28 | moritz | what does that mean, and how do I fix it? |
| 19:27.33 | debian-user | okay, thank you, greatly appreciate that |
| 19:27.45 | somiaj | debian-user: for those of us who don't use desktops, the files Downloads, Desktop, etc will not be created. |
| 19:28.05 | debian-user | i just hate the bloody capitalization |
| 19:28.10 | debian-user | i'm not a windows user, i can read |
| 19:28.30 | annadane | so mv /home/debian-user/Downloads /home/debian-user/downloads |
| 19:28.35 | debian-user | aha! there it is. thank you kindly |
| 19:28.47 | petn-randall | Huh? Capital letters are a thing on Linux filesystems. |
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| 19:29.24 | debian-user | petn-randall: seriuosly? you seriously typed that? |
| 19:29.25 | somiaj | its more the xdg (freedesktop.org) standards and desktop files. I agree, I think they are silly, but then again I don't use a desktop so they usually aren't a problem for me |
| 19:29.29 | debian-user | cmon |
| 19:29.33 | somiaj | though I get annoyed at xdg apps that create them. |
| 19:29.36 | debian-user | you know what i am actually saying |
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| 19:29.55 | debian-user | somiaj: *nod* |
| 19:30.21 | petn-randall | debian-user: Windows has case-insensitive filenames, if that's what you mean. |
| 19:30.32 | debian-user | no no |
| 19:30.39 | petn-randall | debian-user: And yes, you're very attentative, I did type that. |
| 19:31.08 | debian-user | petn-randall: no one that users the cli for any amoutn of time capitalizes any files |
| 19:31.18 | debian-user | there is no need for it |
| 19:31.32 | debian-user | it is a retarded xdg standard aimed at noobs and nobodies that have no clue |
| 19:31.37 | petn-randall | debian-user: So don't? Nobody is stopping you from doing so. |
| 19:31.45 | debian-user | petn-randall: exactly |
| 19:32.02 | debian-user | congratulations captain obvious |
| 19:32.05 | somiaj | I would try to keep your comments on actuall support and not adding noise and agression to those trying to help |
| 19:32.27 | petn-randall | this ^ |
| 19:32.31 | debian-user | i only dish it out in equal amounts |
| 19:32.50 | debian-user | petn-randall is welcome to not say anything if it isn't useful either |
| 19:32.58 | somiaj | and either you need to learn how to deal with xdg (I don't think there is much way around it at some level) or just avoid the desktop enviroments and build your system up from a simple window manager. |
| 19:33.08 | nkuttler | grabs some popcorn |
| 19:33.10 | somiaj | debian-user: you are the only one dishing anythying out. |
| 19:33.14 | debian-user | somiaj: i agee *nod* |
| 19:33.30 | debian-user | well not on the last part but whatever |
| 19:33.38 | debian-user | i appreciate the heads up on xdg |
| 19:33.47 | mq | can somebody help me understanding processes/scripts and the "ownage" of them? |
| 19:34.03 | jmcnaught | moritz: can you show the service unit that is having the problem (with systemctl cat <unit>) and the systemctl status output from it? |
| 19:34.37 | somiaj | mq: in *nix, all files and thus process have a user who 'owns' the file or process. |
| 19:34.52 | mq | wait, i'll start over again: Is a script that is run by systemd owned by root? |
| 19:34.55 | somiaj | mq: in addition files (and process) have permissions on what can be done via a 'group' and then 'eveyone'. |
| 19:35.19 | mq | somiaj thanks. I think i mixed up some terminology here |
| 19:35.21 | somiaj | mq: not generally, root can run a process as any users, so systemd will start many processes as an appropriate user. Only some are actually run by root in the end. |
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| 19:36.09 | mq | are scripts that are placed in /usr/lib/systemd/ run like in a root shell? |
| 19:36.14 | moritz | jmcnaught: http://perlpunks.de/paste/show/5d2b8427.c69.270 |
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| 19:36.25 | mq | somiaj.* |
| 19:36.49 | somiaj | mq: so though the systemd unit/service is run by root, the process it forks (or creates) may be run by a different user. For example the apache process is run the the www-data user |
| 19:37.16 | somiaj | mq: first do not place scripts in /usr/lib/systemd, that is not a filesystem a user (even root) should mess with. |
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| 19:37.31 | moritz | I also find it curious that the "Device or resource busy" only shows up in the journalctl -xe output, not in systemctl status |
| 19:37.35 | somiaj | mq: second, yes, unless you configure the unit/script to run as a different user, systemd will run it as root. |
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| 19:38.01 | mq | somiaj: where else would you put it? |
| 19:38.13 | somiaj | mq: in /etc/systemd/system |
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| 19:38.22 | somiaj | and note you usually put unit files there, not scripts (There is a difference) |
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| 19:38.43 | mq | somiaj so you recommend rather using unit files than scripts, even for simple tasks |
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| 19:39.07 | elm_ | what do I need to do to still get updates from buster as it has been turned from testing to stable? |
| 19:39.12 | somiaj | You haven't described your actual task, but systemd uses unit files which can launch commands (or other scripts) |
| 19:39.25 | somiaj | but systemd is not like sysv which uses a lot of scripts, it uses unit files, and most things can be done with just the unit file. |
| 19:39.37 | annadane | elm_, you can set up unattended upgrades or subscribe to debian-security@lists.debian.org and run those updates manually |
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| 19:39.58 | annadane | sorry, debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org |
| 19:40.03 | somiaj | also depending on the script, what you want it to do, a unit filie/systemd may not be the appropriate place for such things (user scripts can be run in different placese) |
| 19:40.04 | annadane | https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ |
| 19:40.39 | elm_ | annadane: isn´t there a simple command I can enter to continue with user invoked updates? |
| 19:40.49 | somiaj | elm_: provided you have 'buster' in your sources.list and include the standard buster, buster security and buster updates (pre point release updates) in your sources.list, nothing, just upgrade as normal. |
| 19:41.01 | annadane | !buster sources.list |
| 19:41.01 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 19:41.05 | somiaj | if you use 'testing' in your sources.list, you might not be running buster anymore. |
| 19:41.06 | mq | somiaj: i would like to run a simple shutdown script, but every unit-file i created did either work not at all or if so it seemed unstable and didn't work after some time |
| 19:41.25 | somiaj | mq: simple shutdown script that does what? |
| 19:41.55 | somiaj | sounds like you need to read up on systemd docs on unit files and how configure a unit file to execute a certain script/command at shutdown. |
| 19:42.10 | somiaj | (I'd have to read up on it myself, as I don't write many shutdown specific scripts) |
| 19:42.24 | jmcnaught | moritz: that is curious. I would ask in #systemd if you don't get an answer here, in that channel you might need to be patient while it's still the weekend though |
| 19:42.33 | mq | somiaj: i've read them serveral times and i am looking for a simpler way. The script should send a shutdown command to another machine using client based ssh-key authentication. |
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| 19:43.42 | noln | elm_, apt-get update --allow-releaseinfo-change |
| 19:44.04 | mq | somiaj i managed to do this with a systemd-unit once or twice but it was allways buggy |
| 19:44.14 | somiaj | mq: and you want this shutdown request to happen everything machine A is shutdown, what about restarted (since it does go through a shutdown process) |
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| 19:44.45 | mq | somiaj: restart doesn't matter, just shutdown. |
| 19:44.45 | elm_ | https://pastebin.com/hCr3NUYH |
| 19:44.50 | elm_ | noln: thx |
| 19:45.18 | somiaj | elm_: user invoked updates? You shoudln't have to change anything once buster was released and continue update/upgrading normally. |
| 19:45.27 | somiaj | (provided you use 'buster' and not 'testing' or now 'stable' in your sources.list) |
| 19:45.56 | moritz | jmcnaught: ok, thanks. I'm writing a bug report first |
| 19:46.03 | somiaj | mq: that does change things, because systemd will run shutdown scripts even with a restart. |
| 19:46.12 | noln | !tell elm_ about ask |
| 19:46.27 | somiaj | mq: maybe just write a custom shutdown script that shutsdown all the machines and run that vs trying to automate it via systemd. |
| 19:46.44 | noln | elm_, yw. Next time don't assume we know what's the problem, take the time to write a one-liner with your cmd and the error msg |
| 19:47.35 | mq | somiaj like an aliased wrapper that passes arguments like shutdown-time? |
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| 19:48.28 | somiaj | mq: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/284598/systemd-how-to-execute-script-at-shutdown-only-not-at-reboot -- seems to give some pointers, and note you need to ensure this script runs before the networking is shutdown. |
| 19:49.17 | somiaj | mq: that is one way to do it, you have to kinda anaylize your use case to see what is most affective for you, but a custom shutdown script that triggers shutdown on all machines you want at once might be more useful, than having a service automatically do this each shutdown. |
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| 19:49.56 | somiaj | again this isn't a use case I'm familar with so I dont' really have any better suggetions. Either learn systemd well enough to know what targets you need to reference and have it be automatic, or just write a separte shutdown script. |
| 19:50.09 | somiaj | I also think there are often tools for managing multiple machines that may have this functionality built in. |
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| 19:50.33 | somiaj | mq: just out of curiousity, why do you need one machien shutdown to trigger another, are these machiens linked via host/guest and vms? |
| 19:50.41 | mq | somiaj: thanks! My initial concern was that there are troubles with authentication scince i haven't really found a way to test it. |
| 19:51.12 | somiaj | provided you have the keys setup correctly it should work. |
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| 19:52.18 | mq | somiaj: the command/script works perfectly when i run it as root in a shell. One machine controls the power of the other machine so the second one needs to shutdown simultaneausly/slightly before the first one. |
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| 19:55.47 | somiaj | provided there isn't some way the machine will trigger shutdown without you initiating it, you could just manually run the script |
| 19:56.10 | somiaj | though it appears you can configure systemd to do this, you just have to make sure you configure it right, seems it is possible, just not something that is that standard so could take some testing |
| 19:58.04 | mq | somiaj: ok. I thought /usr7lib/systemd/system-shutdown was intended for exactly those things scince it is easyer though. anyhow it doesn't work that way either. |
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| 19:59.35 | somiaj | as mentioned, /usr/lib is not a file system you want to mess with, use /etc/systemd/system-shutdown |
| 20:00.02 | somiaj | but I'm not sure if those scripts are run and when, so you need to write a unit file to let systemd to know when to run things |
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| 20:01.05 | jmcnaught | at shutdown systemd runs the ExecStop= directive on any active service units |
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| 20:02.23 | somiaj | yup, which is why the examples in that stackexchange link run /bin/true at start, and then something at start down. |
| 20:02.39 | somiaj | the part that takes some work is ensuring it is run at the correct time (and maybe only run via an actual shutdown and not restart) |
| 20:02.55 | mq | jmcnaught: yes i am (sort of) familiar with this but it doesn't seem reliable |
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| 20:03.40 | somiaj | it is probably due to that you haven't configured its depends correctly |
| 20:04.04 | somiaj | you might have to make a persistant journal, mkdir /var/log/journal to see what is happening when it doesnt work. |
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| 20:04.13 | somiaj | as mentioned if your network goes down, ssh isn't going to work. |
| 20:05.05 | mq | somiaj: yes you mentioned that before, i'll have to read into this again i guess. Thanks anyway. |
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| 20:06.56 | mq | i only know that sshad disabled root-login completely at some point and i was wondering if there were any known changes regarding rsa authentication. |
| 20:07.15 | mq | sshd* |
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| 20:08.27 | jmcnaught | mq: root logins aren't completely disabled by default, only with passwords. Key based authentication still works for root, and it's all configurable in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 20:09.47 | mq | jmcnaught. But i guess the network-dependency was a good shot in my case. I will try... thanks again |
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| 20:13.45 | somiaj | there are also ways to setup keys to only run certain commands, if you want extra secruity you can limit what a key is actually allowed to do. For example I have keys that are only allowed to run rsync as root, they can't actually login and they can only pull data (not push) |
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| 20:22.20 | mq | somiaj: i only log in as user and excepted the shutdown command in the sudoers-file on the remote machine. But that's interesting too. |
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| 20:26.36 | mq | wait: as long as i'm here: i could technically place the unit in network-online.target.wants with ExecStop=myscript and OneShot=False, right? |
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| 20:35.36 | n0a110w | how can i get those awesome screensavers from xfce into MATE? where are they saved? |
| 20:36.00 | somiaj | not sure, figuer out what package is running them, or maybe look at xscreensaver |
| 20:36.02 | somiaj | ,v xscreensaver |
| 20:36.03 | judd | Package: xscreensaver on amd64 -- jessie-security: 5.30-1+deb8u1; jessie: 5.30-1+deb8u2; stretch: 5.36-1; bullseye: 5.42+dfsg1-1; buster: 5.42+dfsg1-1; sid: 5.42+dfsg1-1 |
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| 20:36.19 | somiaj | I'm unsure if that what xfce uses or not |
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| 20:38.54 | n0a110w | yep those are the ones! xscreensaver |
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| 20:40.04 | jhutchins | xfce doesn't have a dedicated screensaver. |
| 20:41.30 | n0a110w | those were the ones that came packed in last time i installed XFCE version of debian. so xscreensaver must have been included |
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| 20:47.12 | jhutchins | n0a110w: You'll probably want the GL packages as well. |
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| 20:48.03 | n0a110w | as in what specifically? |
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| 20:52.36 | debian-user | thanks for the help all |
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| 21:13.51 | BazookaTooth | n0a110w: the really slick screensavers ports for xscreensaver possibly. rss-somethingorother? haven't used those in ages so not sure of the current deb name |
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| 21:15.48 | BCMM | rss-glx |
| 21:16.21 | n0a110w | nice ;) |
| 21:16.37 | n0a110w | that's what i'm talking about |
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| 21:21.34 | n0a110w | is there a way to delete/disable specific screensavers? |
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| 22:03.08 | dvs | Hi bafck butt! ;-P |
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| 22:10.50 | treefrob | hi Folks. I'm wondering when a reboot is necessary or a good idea after some packages have been updated. Obviously, after a kernel update. Are there other packages or classes of packages whose update dictate a reboot? |
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| 22:12.13 | dvs | treefrob, maybe after a libc or glibc update but that's about it. |
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| 22:13.09 | treefrob | dvs, because a reboot is simpler that restarting all the services with programs that depend on g/libc? |
| 22:13.41 | dvs | treefrob, Yes, which is about almost every program. |
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| 22:15.04 | treefrob | but if my concern is chiefly security, I guess it's enough after a g/libc update to only restart sshd, assuming the only open [local] port is for sshd |
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| 22:26.52 | mq | if somebody remembers my issue from before: i am pretty sure i was right about the ssh-authentication-guess |
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| 22:28.35 | dvs | treefrob, I'd be afraid that the other programs that depend on ssh might crash because it wasn't restarted. |
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| 22:31.15 | coruja | ,i needrestart |
| 22:31.16 | judd | Package needrestart (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: check which daemons need to be restarted after library upgrades. Version: 3.4-5; Size: 56.0k; Installed: 273k; Homepage: https://github.com/liske/needrestart; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/needrestart |
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| 22:35.14 | mq | i have this issue: i can run ssh user@<ip> echo bla in terminal successfully. I can call up a script doing the same thing successfully. But when i set up a unit file that calls the script it fails with permission denied (publickey). |
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| 22:40.12 | coruja | does the unit file let call the script by the correct user? |
| 22:41.13 | mq | coruja that's what i don't know. How do i set the user? |
| 22:41.55 | coruja | 'User=<user>' in the unit file's service section |
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| 22:43.10 | mq | coruja that's helpfull. Thanks. |
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| 22:51.16 | mq | Thanks, that did it |
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| 23:10.44 | ayekat | rather than a system-wide service, I'd use a user service, though |
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| 23:49.36 | aoibhecozy | anyone have any luck installing firmware for the 3945ABG? i downloaded the thing from ipw3945.sourceforge and im struggling to understand how to install it. there used to be a package call firmware-b43-installer but sadly its no longer where it once was |
| 23:52.32 | aoibhecozy | actually i think i can do this, i accidentally glossed over its deprecation notice. im now trying to install iwlwifi. i think this should work. |
| 23:53.31 | dvs | aoibhecozy, yeah, that doesnt sound like a Broadcom chipset |
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| 23:55.11 | aoibhecozy | iwlwifi does indeed work. dvs its an intel chip, i had been going off of bad info from someone with a different latitude d820 from mine. |
| 23:55.19 | aoibhecozy | i wrongly assumed theyd be the same |
| 23:55.31 | dvs | ,v firmware-iwlwifi |
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