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| 00:43.50 | cirdan | hey how do I file a bug against the kernel package? the BTS is giving 403 errors for the kernel pages |
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| 00:51.58 | somiaj | which kernel package? |
| 00:52.10 | cirdan | 4.19 |
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| 00:52.28 | somiaj | Is this in buster? |
| 00:52.51 | cirdan | it's a stretch backport but it doesn't matter I tried sid |
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| 00:53.10 | ksk | !reportbug |
| 00:53.11 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA> |
| 00:53.21 | cirdan | yes I've used reportbug before |
| 00:53.26 | ksk | oh, mhm. |
| 00:53.27 | Aebian | how hard can it be to change this weird ens*** names back to eth* ? Tried several things but upon reboot still ens*** |
| 00:53.36 | ksk | Aebian: udev? |
| 00:53.54 | Aebian | idk, no rules are in the folder of udev so not sure |
| 00:54.21 | somiaj | Aebian: it isn't hard, and there are multiple ways to do it. Let me dig up the bots factoid |
| 00:54.41 | cirdan | anyway it's a future-bug report for when the kernel gets updated |
| 00:54.58 | Aebian | well I tried the method by creating a udev rule file, didn't work. I tried the method with grub, also no luck |
| 00:55.53 | somiaj | cirdan: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/linux -- yea, not sure why the bts is returing 403 there, might be to the total number of bugs. I've seen this before but not sure on the resolution. |
| 00:56.07 | cirdan | ah |
| 00:56.23 | somiaj | Aebian: what version of debian are you running (the udev method I think is being depricated to not work). |
| 00:56.50 | Aebian | 9, stretch |
| 00:57.25 | Aebian | 9.8 to be exact |
| 00:57.51 | somiaj | !dpni |
| 00:57.51 | dpkg | To disable Predictable Network Interface naming and revert back to the old interface naming, run "ln -s /dev/null /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link" as root (without quotes). Creating this symbolic link prevents systemd from being able to change interface names. You will need to unplug/replug your device or reboot/reload module. Alternatively add net.ifnames=0 to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub then run update-grub and reboot. |
| 00:58.01 | somiaj | Basicaly you want to use the systemd .link files |
| 00:58.46 | cirdan | I just want to request arch's patch to be applied when the kernel source is updated... GHK pushed the removal of a very useful/needed symbol https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Mic92/nixpkgs/7b77c27caa8617c82df5c5af6b9ce6ae010d7f9a/pkgs/os-specific/linux/kernel/export_kernel_fpu_functions.patch |
| 00:58.57 | Aebian | that's weird, I actually have this file on another stretch machine which states it is in placve to prevent naming to happen. |
| 00:59.11 | Aebian | there I have eth* |
| 00:59.30 | Aebian | and it is not linking to /dev/null, but I'll try it |
| 00:59.41 | somiaj | You could have something else causing this too. Any reason you want disable this feature? |
| 00:59.52 | somiaj | cirdan: seems to be working now, at least for me. |
| 01:00.03 | somiaj | cirdan: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=yes&src=linux |
| 01:00.43 | cirdan | heh worse now. Internal Server Error |
| 01:00.54 | somiaj | I got that a few times, but then it worked for me |
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| 01:01.19 | Aebian | somiaj: I like the eth* naming scheme and all of my other debian machines follow it. Just this one does not for some reason |
| 01:01.23 | cirdan | eh I'll try later |
| 01:02.03 | jmcnaught | https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#migrate-interface-names |
| 01:02.42 | Aebian | applied the dev/null symlink and the machine rebooted, same issue hmmmm https://i.imgur.com/S88zjRD.png |
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| 01:03.01 | cirdan | I use the grub line on my machines I name the interfaces myself with udev |
| 01:03.04 | somiaj | The prefered way is read up systemd .link files and tell systemd to name it what you want. I just switched, as I rarely if ever use the name and just write it down once in my interface file (just one less thing to fiddle with each time) |
| 01:03.17 | cirdan | also uninstalls systemd |
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| 01:05.03 | Aebian | cirdan: maybe I should reboot into GRUB and do the same |
| 01:05.20 | cirdan | what do you use as your bootloader? |
| 01:05.28 | cirdan | just edit /etc/default/grub |
| 01:05.37 | cirdan | and update your initrd |
| 01:06.01 | Aebian | that machine uses GRUB as bootloader |
| 01:06.42 | Aebian | https://i.imgur.com/hdcPdTC.png |
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| 01:07.08 | somiaj | yea, if you don't update-grub after modifing that file, it won't take affect. |
| 01:07.15 | somiaj | I don't think initrd needs to be rebuilt. |
| 01:07.27 | cirdan | what he said. :) |
| 01:07.38 | Aebian | it was updated but the cmd wasn't taken |
| 01:08.18 | Aebian | uh |
| 01:08.39 | Aebian | mkconfig is different then update-grub |
| 01:08.54 | Aebian | gonna update it now |
| 01:10.04 | Aebian | works now, thanks cirdan & somiaj |
| 01:10.15 | Aebian | the update part of grub was missing |
| 01:10.51 | cirdan | yeah I often forget to run update when I'm messing with stuff :) |
| 01:10.53 | somiaj | you need to rebuild the grub config files |
| 01:11.14 | somiaj | since all the /etc/default/grub does is set variables that are used in building those config files form the script. |
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| 01:16.40 | velix | Hmm. Is there no Buster weekly non-live netinstall ? |
| 01:17.38 | velix | Seems like there is a none-free build only: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 01:20.17 | velix | no wait... this is testing, not Buster. |
| 01:22.29 | coruja | buster (still) is testing |
| 01:23.16 | velix | coruja: oh, it's still named "testing"? didn't know that. |
| 01:23.54 | velix | I thought this was latest: cdimage/buster_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-buster-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 01:23.59 | velix | it's already called buster here. |
| 01:24.17 | Aebian | rc - release candidate |
| 01:24.32 | coruja | those are images for testing the buster installer actually, not buster itself |
| 01:24.40 | velix | Yeah, but it's debian-buster-RC, not debian-testing-RC |
| 01:24.49 | velix | coruja: Ahh okay. |
| 01:24.51 | velix | Confusing :D |
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| 01:43.17 | velix | Just installed Buster using expert install. |
| 01:43.24 | velix | Never used the graphical one. |
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| 02:06.05 | velix | I'll never understand apt and dpkg, I think. I've installed "build-dependencies" and purged it after building. But only a few of the installed packages have been uninstalled. |
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| 02:11.12 | ryouma | velix: i am clueless also but i often do apt-get -o "Apt::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant=false" purge `aptitude search ~c | db wsv2o` `deborphan ${1:+--guess-all}` |
| 02:11.24 | ryouma | um, you'd have to adjust that |
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| 02:22.41 | velix | ryouma: Thanks, I'll try. |
| 02:23.10 | velix | Interesting... The backports of buster are in place and they're living on the mirror, but I'm getting. E: The value 'buster-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
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| 02:27.54 | velix | Ah... "apt upgrade -t testing" |
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| 02:59.26 | ryouma | there was a factoid here about the correct sequence to kill a process. a search on the web shows all sorts of answers to that question. is there any real consensus? |
| 03:05.50 | ryouma | perhaps sending 15 then pausing then 9 would be a decent enough guess at correctness |
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| 03:16.49 | annadane | !kill9 |
| 03:16.49 | dpkg | No, no, no! Don't use kill -9. It doesn't give the process a chance to clean up after itself. See: http://www.ruhr.de/home/smallo/award.html#uuk9letter ... first try kill -15; then try kill -2; then try kill -1. |
| 03:17.00 | annadane | ryouma, ^ |
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| 03:21.48 | ksk | ryouma: sounds kind of reasonable to me, tooo (-15, then -9) - of course depending on the service |
| 03:22.35 | ksk | a database with traffic on it I would not really want to kill -9. Webserver for example would not really matter |
| 03:23.08 | ksk | I will try -2 -1 though the next time, never really used them. |
| 03:24.58 | ksk | (via kill that is, signal 2 is what gets send via "ctrl+c" on the terminal.) |
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| 03:28.16 | jim | I'm looking to learn more about docker... I'm running stretch, so what would I install to get a basic docer setup running, and is there a simple tutorial that shows how to make a custom container? |
| 03:30.49 | ksk | somewhere at docker, I suppose |
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| 03:31.06 | ksk | "apropos docker" could also help. |
| 03:31.38 | ksk | I suppose docker has a somewhat more "hands on" stuff at their website. |
| 03:32.22 | ryouma | annadane: yeah that one. 2 is potentially bad because it supposedly dumps core? but is intended for terminals in any case. and hup was for connection hangup, and got commandeered for purposes. like rereading configs etc. and the link is dead i think? |
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| 04:04.54 | Synaptic | somebody on KDE here? |
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| 04:05.09 | Synaptic | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.29 | jmcnaught | !crosspost |
| 04:05.29 | dpkg | Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>. |
| 04:06.20 | Synaptic | the quetstion was because on my laptop debian 9, is going totally to zero.. and wha tif i leave it there.. how can i increase it again if nothing i can see.. |
| 04:06.22 | Synaptic | that was the point |
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| 04:08.06 | jmcnaught | Look wherever KDE configures keyboard shortcuts and look to see if one controls brightness. Just don't ask the same question on freenode and OFTC at the same time please. |
| 04:08.22 | Synaptic | ok |
| 04:08.27 | Synaptic | didnt know it was correlated |
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| 04:09.54 | Synaptic | but anyway i was lucky i didnt leave the cursor off the mouse, otherwise i would be without brightness and cannot do nothing anymore, as my keyboard brightness buttons are not working on deb |
| 04:11.35 | jmcnaught | KDE might be able to configure shortcuts for brightness even if one isn't created automatically. The brightness keys work on my two thinkpads in GNOME, not sure about KDE. |
| 04:12.29 | Synaptic | but on gnome if you put brightness on zero is switching off completely the monitor or going on minimum? |
| 04:13.30 | jmcnaught | It depends on the model I think because one laptop I can turn the screen backlight completely off, the other I can just get it really dim. |
| 04:15.00 | Synaptic | ye, but imagine on mine that buttons are not configured and if for mistake i leave it off while testing.... im done |
| 04:15.06 | Synaptic | nothing else i can do |
| 04:15.13 | jmcnaught | so don't do that? |
| 04:15.22 | Synaptic | ye but didnt know first time |
| 04:15.25 | Synaptic | now i know... |
| 04:15.35 | Synaptic | but i had to delete the user and create a new one |
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| 04:16.05 | Synaptic | i mean... that was my solution.. for sure it was another solution but it was a fresh install from 10 mins... so not a big deal |
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| 04:19.12 | jmcnaught | Synaptic: did you look under "Global Shortcuts" in your System Settings? |
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| 04:20.34 | Synaptic | i will check it later, or build a new shortcut |
| 04:20.54 | Synaptic | because for keyboard and speakers default buttons of my laptop are working, for brightness no |
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| 04:26.25 | Synaptic | overall i like this Debian 9, last i tried was 6, i hope is gonna fit for me, i dont want to use anymore this, derivated,forks..or whatever, so i hope everything going to be right here |
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| 06:06.07 | Synaptic | hello |
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| 06:06.32 | Synaptic | to update from debian 9.0 Stable (stretch) to testing what need to do? its enough apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 06:07.40 | dax | !stretch->buster |
| 06:08.33 | dax | oook then. < dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc (and please report additional problems). TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove stable-specific lines like stretch-backports. apt update && apt upgrade && apt- full-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. Remember you're running a |
| 06:08.33 | dax | pre-release version of Debian. |
| 06:09.36 | Synaptic | ty |
| 06:09.43 | Synaptic | im checking here also https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting |
| 06:10.09 | Synaptic | more or less how many GB is to be download? (im on limited internet) |
| 06:11.06 | dax | it should tell you when you do the apt upgrade |
| 06:11.18 | dax | (and is heavily dependent on which packages you have installed) |
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| 06:13.22 | Synaptic | for the moment almost nothing, as i installed the stable yesterday |
| 06:13.33 | Synaptic | is like a clean installation more or less |
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| 06:16.55 | Synaptic | i will keep using stable for the moment, will update once i have more internet line.. |
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| 06:16.59 | Synaptic | better dont risk |
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| 06:34.06 | jim | I sent judd a checkbackport docker.io, and it gave me a big pile of unsatisfiable build deps... and, docker.io package isn't in stretch... so that whole thing is probably the wrong way to approach things? how other than that would I install docker? |
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| 08:53.39 | no_gravity | Good Morning! |
| 08:53.48 | weedloser | morning |
| 08:53.50 | no_gravity | I have this in my bashrc: source /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/git |
| 08:53.58 | no_gravity | Which makes working with git so much easier. |
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| 08:54.08 | no_gravity | Somebody said this was the default behaviour in Debian. |
| 08:54.19 | no_gravity | But I have not seen it work out of the box on any Debian install. |
| 08:54.22 | no_gravity | Am I missing something? |
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| 08:59.21 | RoyK | no_gravity: seems /etc/bash_completion.d/git-prompt is in there, but it's another thing |
| 09:00.04 | RoyK | no_gravity: better just symlink /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/git to /etc/bash_completion.d/ |
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| 09:01.31 | no_gravity | RoyK: Why? |
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| 09:08.58 | RoyK | no_gravity: it'll be global - not just in your private bashrc |
| 09:09.12 | RoyK | no_gravity: but both will work :) |
| 09:09.34 | RoyK | no_gravity: I didn't know that bash completion addon and why it's not in use by default - thanks |
| 09:10.55 | no_gravity | RoyK: I don't have a private bashrc. |
| 09:11.21 | no_gravity | RoyK: Only /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 09:13.07 | RoyK | no_gravity: ah - I see - but better symlink it to /etc/bash_completion.d/ so that next time an upgrade is run, it won't be complaining about the global file |
| 09:13.52 | RoyK | those files in /etc, like /etc/bash.bashrc, are updated regularly by apt. That's why you have things like /etc/bash_completion.d/ |
| 09:14.11 | no_gravity | RoyK: I have been doing it like that for years and never saw a complain. |
| 09:14.23 | no_gravity | RoyK: I prefer to have all of my bash config in one place. |
| 09:14.47 | RoyK | no_gravity: your choice :) |
| 09:15.25 | RoyK | no_gravity: it's just that those something.d dirs is the new thing and has been for quite some years now |
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| 09:48.49 | ChunkzZ | how can I find out why my Wi-Fi keeps D/C'ing on my Debian Stretch? |
| 09:51.28 | RoyK | ChunkzZ: what chipset? anything in dmesg? |
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| 09:59.18 | ShalokShalom | hi there :) |
| 09:59.45 | ShalokShalom | when I look into libglu in my current distribution, is there no such file as libglu-mesa |
| 09:59.46 | ShalokShalom | https://packages.debian.org/de/jessie/libglu1-mesa |
| 10:00.05 | ShalokShalom | does Debian package sometimes in a way that.. creates new files? |
| 10:00.38 | ShalokShalom | I mean I now that Debian prefers to split packages so much as possible, while this seems to be a bit extreme, or is there some catch? |
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| 10:00.58 | ShalokShalom | Where can I see the actual build script? |
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| 10:19.10 | Lyberta | hi, I have hdr video (rec.2020 10bit) and want to extract frames from it, I want to keep them in HDR, it looks like my only options are OpenEXR and maybe JEPEG 2000, is there a program I can use to do that? I've tried ffmpeg with JPEG 2000 export and it produced very dark colors |
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| 10:26.48 | zoeurk | hi, there are a problem on bind9 compiltion (bind9-9.10.3.dfsg.P4) in 'export.diff' look here:https://paste.debian.net/1084054/ ('-ljson-c' is missing in 'LIBS =' section: 'diff -ur lib/irs/Makefile lib/irs/Makefile') |
| 10:27.01 | zoeurk | now the compilation work well |
| 10:27.03 | zoeurk | :) |
| 10:27.05 | zoeurk | bye |
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| 11:36.10 | weedloser | I made a few apt aliases that you might find useful. https://paste.debian.net/1084057/ |
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| 11:38.26 | BenNZ | weedloser: i made this one , probably showing my age alias cls='clear' |
| 11:39.41 | loeken | high quality efficiency :p |
| 11:40.47 | Thargoid | prefers Ctrl-L for clearing the screen :P |
| 11:41.44 | loeken | gives Thargoid the brain badge |
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| 12:00.09 | xormor | BenNZ, I was raised on MS-DOS systems too. I think I used MS-Windows more in 1997-2007, for 10 years, and had used MS-DOS more in 1987-1997, for 10 years. Now I have used Debian GNU/Linux for many years, and all kinds of GNU/Linux distros from 2004 up to now, 15 years. I had an Internet Service Provider in 1995-1996 that had a GNU/Linux server, a BSD server and an AT&T Bell Unix server. It was called Cute Communications, cute.fi. |
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| 12:02.23 | cirdan | heh my isp in the 90s ran on BSDi |
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| 12:04.12 | RoyK | I was introduced to the unix world around 1994 on NCR sysV and got my first linux CD with slackware 2.1 shortly after that and since that, I've learned a bit about linux and related systems ;) |
| 12:05.37 | xormor | :) |
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| 12:08.41 | xormor | one of the reasons I like computers and linux is that I like to write and read. I sometimes escape a bit from the "real world" with real life human interaction to my "electronic world", with the Internet - I think it is sometimes very easy to get all kinds of opinions from all kinds of people just sitting on front of a screen, reading and writing. I usually do the Internet things just for my own amusement. Debian GNU/Linux is a techno toy for me. |
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| 13:17.45 | strk | is php5 cgi not available anymore with debian 9? |
| 13:18.04 | strk | I'd like to try something like: Action php-cgi /php-fcgi/php5317.fcgi |
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| 13:18.14 | strk | well, with whatever is packaged for php5 |
| 13:20.07 | jmcnaught | strk: Debian 9 has php7.0-cgi, but no php5 |
| 13:20.42 | strk | :( |
| 13:20.46 | strk | then I'm stuck here |
| 13:20.56 | strk | only possibility is change my openid server |
| 13:21.02 | strk | or build php myself |
| 13:21.47 | jmcnaught | strk: you could install the php5 packages from jessie |
| 13:23.11 | jmcnaught | the jessie php5 packages are still getting support by LTS according to https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Jessie |
| 13:23.42 | cirdan | why cant you use php7 |
| 13:27.22 | strk | beacuse the software does not support it |
| 13:27.40 | strk | https://github.com/simpleid/simpleid/issues/34 |
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| 13:29.40 | themill | I think you've seen elsewhere that the project is dead and that it is indeed time to migrate away |
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| 13:31.49 | dvs | Yeah, the last release of simpleID was about 30 months ago. |
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| 13:44.18 | strk | he, I found the issue |
| 13:44.20 | strk | simpleid is already the newest version (0.8.1-15). |
| 13:44.43 | strk | the package of simpleid in debian-9 is based on version 0.8.1, while current version of SimpleID is 1.0.2 !! |
| 13:44.55 | strk | 0.8.1 was in 2012 !! |
| 13:44.59 | strk | https://simpleid.org/releases/ |
| 13:45.37 | strk | Maintainer: Debian Authentication Maintainers <pkg-auth-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
| 13:45.43 | strk | will anyone reply to there? |
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| 14:08.27 | themill | strk: highly unlikely. The package is dead. |
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| 14:18.57 | Superi | Hello |
| 14:19.35 | Superi | Anyone have good recommendation to survilliance video system? |
| 14:20.03 | Superi | I wanna run in Debian server and do save and maybe watch saved content with browser? |
| 14:20.22 | Superi | ZoneMinder looks very good but ai cant found any working ppa |
| 14:20.55 | jmcnaught | ,v zoneminder |
| 14:20.56 | judd | Package: zoneminder on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 1.30.4+dfsg-2~bpo9+1; sid: 1.32.3-2; stretch-multimedia: 2:1.30.4-dmo1+deb9u2; buster-multimedia: 2:1.32.3-dmo4; sid-multimedia: 2:1.32.3-dmo4 |
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| 14:23.03 | jmcnaught | Superi: it's in stretch-backports, but not in buster so there probably won't be a lot of updates for it. An alternative is http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ but be warned that this repository has had issues with breaking other packages and causing upgrade problems |
| 14:23.54 | Superi | okay hmmh |
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| 14:24.09 | Superi | maybe i need build dedicated server for video survillience |
| 14:24.24 | Superi | isn't big problem :P |
| 14:24.47 | Superi | maybe Debian is best OS |
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| 14:30.56 | Superi | so i think i can install for my arch machine |
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| 14:33.51 | Soni | where do I find debian torrents again |
| 14:34.18 | kirk781 | Superi, wow, eight sentences just to say BTW, I use Arch :p |
| 14:34.34 | jmcnaught | Soni: https://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
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| 14:38.32 | Soni | thanks |
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| 14:38.56 | weedloser | lol |
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| 14:40.30 | ermejmo | \help |
| 14:40.33 | victorqueiroz | Hi. I have a Reddragon 10k DPI mouse that's not working on stable's kernel version. Can you guys help me? |
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| 14:41.24 | Mi-Shellz | hello, who is sed specialist please ? |
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| 14:41.53 | ksk | Mi-Shellz: ask your question, dont ask to ask. might be #bash is the better place though (is there a #sed? I dont know) |
| 14:42.22 | annadane | it's ##sed |
| 14:42.29 | ksk | victorqueiroz: ehm, usb mouses should just always work, no matter the DPI foo. they all follow a common standard. details needed. |
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| 14:44.19 | Mi-Shellz | i have a string after 6 sed subsitution but when i try reverse for gain the original strings i lost 1 octal in my strings lenght |
| 14:44.32 | victorqueiroz | ksk: I agree it should just work, it's very strange it isn't working! How can I provide you more details? Here's lsusb -> https://termbin.com/fdh3 |
| 14:44.43 | victorqueiroz | Works fine with 4.19, but I want to stick to this kernel version if possible. |
| 14:44.52 | victorqueiroz | Meaning, I want to stick with 4.9, if possible |
| 14:45.34 | ksk | no Idea, sorry. I think lsusb is a good starting point, maybe other will jump in on that (to me it seems, there should be a HID device listed, but it is not..) |
| 14:46.03 | annadane | Mi-Shellz, if people here don't know the answer then yeah try ##sed (80 or so people) or ##programming (much larger at 700 or so) |
| 14:46.06 | victorqueiroz | ksk: The mouse is `Bus 003 Device 007: ID 04d9:fc2a Holtek Semiconductor, Inc.` in that list |
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| 14:46.39 | Mi-Shellz | ok thank you |
| 14:47.04 | ksk | victorqueiroz: https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php?topic=2653.0 |
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| 14:48.19 | ksk | victorqueiroz: which leads to: https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/473200-USB-Gaming-Mouse-04d9-a078-not-working-in-linux-plus-workaround -- do you have something like "generic-usb: probe of 0003:04D9:A078.0010 failed with error -22 |
| 14:48.24 | ksk | " in dmesg? |
| 14:49.13 | ksk | (having to recompile the kernel does not sound nice to me (to have a working mouse..) but it might narrow things down for now..) |
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| 14:59.36 | OS-XXXXX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:00.43 | annadane | OS-XXXXX, no, your actual password and email address. and don't put it here where we can all see it |
| 15:00.50 | annadane | open a dialog window with nickserv, do it there |
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| 15:01.02 | annadane | or else, mind your space before the / |
| 15:04.36 | ksk | you can also use the status window in irssi (or other clients, I suppose) - so that your password wold go to a PM with nickserv, or that status window, instead of a channel. welcome to irc :P |
| 15:05.00 | annadane | what even are all these OS accounts? |
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| 15:05.27 | ksk | mhm, hes gone? |
| 15:06.46 | ksk | mhhm, seemed to have a legit dialup connection as far as I can tell ;) (and an ISP, which website tells you to get adobe flash!) |
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| 15:26.39 | victorqueiroz | Well, I think I'll have to stick with testing then. |
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| 15:43.20 | rant | I seem to be having some sort of catastrophic systemd failure and idk whats going on, this is output of journalctl -xe: https://termbin.com/1amv |
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| 15:48.24 | rant | annadane: https://www.offensive-security.com/offsec-irc-guide/ |
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| 15:48.49 | rant | annadane: wannabe hackers who can't even figure out how to use irc properly |
| 15:49.35 | rant | this one is following that page verbatim |
| 15:49.49 | olavx200 | lol |
| 15:51.53 | rant | personally I can print them up pieces of paper to show what idiots they are for only $100, way cheaper than OFFSEC |
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| 15:52.40 | ksk | https://i.redd.it/3nm8xvc03e031.jpg |
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| 15:54.31 | olavx200 | What is the man package called in debian |
| 15:54.53 | Habbie | the man binary is in man-db |
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| 15:55.06 | olavx200 | thanks |
| 15:55.10 | Habbie | packages.debian.org can help you find such things |
| 15:55.12 | Habbie | or apt-file |
| 15:55.26 | rant | or dpkg -S |
| 15:55.42 | rant | judd file bin/man |
| 15:55.45 | Habbie | if you have it installed, yes |
| 15:55.46 | judd | Search for bin/man in stretch/amd64: man-db: usr/bin/man |
| 15:55.50 | Habbie | that's what i did because it's the fastest way |
| 15:56.14 | rant | ,i man |
| 15:56.15 | judd | No package named 'man' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 15:56.20 | rant | ,i man-db |
| 15:56.21 | judd | Package man-db (doc, standard) in stretch/amd64: on-line manual pager. Version: 2.7.6.1-2; Size: 1019.4k; Installed: 2231k; Homepage: http://man-db.nongnu.org/ |
| 15:56.21 | annadane | i *hope* you have dpkg installed |
| 15:56.26 | annadane | unless you mean apt-file |
| 15:56.35 | rant | annadane: you have to have the package you want to search installed |
| 15:56.40 | rant | i.e. man-db |
| 15:56.42 | annadane | ah |
| 15:56.44 | Habbie | annadane, i mean dpkg -S will not help me find /usr/bin/man if i don't have /usr/bin/man installed |
| 15:56.45 | annadane | english is hard |
| 15:56.55 | Habbie | language is ambiguous and i'm a lazy typer, apologies |
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| 15:59.26 | rant | googling this systemd crap is not getting me anywhere.. all these peple are having isolated issues that are not being solved.. I am having total failure it would seem.. |
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| 16:00.31 | rant | only two things I'd done recently is removed one of my USB disks which I removed from fstab, exports, samba, and I installed freedombox from the repos which is when I first realized there was an issue |
| 16:01.09 | rant | now I have my journal filling up with systemd failing to start pretty much everything.. logrotation, updates, you name it |
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| 16:01.58 | rant | I still have like 3GB on the SSD available, so its not the disk being full.. I have no idea |
| 16:03.15 | rant | I'd be nice if it'd be more damn specific with the f'n error messages |
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| 16:03.26 | dadinn | hi all |
| 16:03.40 | rant | "File exists" sounds like a lockfile issue, but WHAT LOCKFILE |
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| 16:04.25 | dadinn | does someone know when the new ZFS 0.8.0 release will be available on Debian? |
| 16:04.52 | dadinn | I am using stretch, and would expect it to get it from stretch-backports |
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| 16:06.53 | rant | ,v zfsutils-linux |
| 16:06.54 | judd | Package: zfsutils-linux on amd64 -- stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5; stretch-backports/contrib: 0.7.12-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.7.12-2; sid/contrib: 0.7.13-1; experimental/contrib: 0.8.0~rc4-1 |
| 16:07.12 | annadane | yeah, it's in experimental |
| 16:07.23 | annadane | so you *may* get it in buster-backports when it releases... eventually |
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| 16:08.27 | dadinn | will buster come with 5.0 kernel? |
| 16:08.36 | dvs | ,v kernels |
| 16:08.37 | judd | No package named 'kernels' was found in amd64. |
| 16:08.38 | annadane | i think 4.19 |
| 16:08.41 | annadane | ,kernels |
| 16:08.42 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-3); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-3); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (4.19.28-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u2~deb8u1); wheezy- |
| 16:08.42 | dvs | ,kernels |
| 16:08.43 | judd | backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 16:08.44 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-3); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-3); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (4.19.28-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u2~deb8u1); wheezy- |
| 16:08.45 | judd | backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 16:08.52 | dvs | oops |
| 16:08.59 | rant | dadinn: no |
| 16:09.02 | annadane | i really should just /msg judd that, it's very spammy |
| 16:09.43 | dvs | why is 686 still the default architecture for kernel factoid? |
| 16:10.11 | rant | dadinn: its likely however it will be available in backports sometime after the release |
| 16:10.12 | jelly | it's not a factoid, it's code |
| 16:10.16 | olavx200 | judd: paste.debian.net |
| 16:10.21 | annadane | judd is a bot... |
| 16:10.28 | olavx200 | lol |
| 16:10.40 | olavx200 | ./ |
| 16:10.42 | olavx200 | :/ |
| 16:10.52 | jelly | dvs: and it's still 32bit oriented because REASONS |
| 16:11.15 | dvs | dropkicks REASONS for being unreasonable |
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| 16:15.41 | rant | like asking silly questions like when will a filesystem released 5 days ago, will be available in a distro in a frozen state.. |
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| 16:24.40 | rant | so.. systemd.. fubar.. apt upgrade: http://paste.debian.net/1084076/ journalctl -xe: https://termbin.com/1amv |
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| 16:28.03 | rant | the irony is, the systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service would probably resolve this, but it can't run :P |
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| 16:28.59 | rant | I'd have rebooted already were it not for the fact this machine has been running fine for months and it this current state I'm not sure if it would even boot again |
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| 16:31.33 | rant | I removed /media/HGST3TB after stopping samba, nfs, doing swapoff on the swapfile it contained, editing all the fstab, samba, nfs configs.. then a few days later I tried to install freedombox and thats when I noticed these issues which seem to be effecting everything on the system |
| 16:31.51 | rant | my mosh logins take an extra long time, no services seem to be able to start.. |
| 16:34.43 | rant | here's the cliffs notes version (journalctl -ex|grep "Failed to set") https://termbin.com/bvy0 |
| 16:35.49 | rant | apparently some files exist.. imagine that |
| 16:36.14 | rant | real helpful error message.. I was aware that files existed.. I've seen them before.. |
| 16:36.36 | rant | what files this is talking about I have nfc |
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| 16:44.42 | annadane | i guess strace isn't an option? idk |
| 16:45.58 | rant | not really.. most I could do is strace apt and I'd have to have it follow children around.. and that would just get messy |
| 16:46.16 | rant | since apt is the only thing I know that generates some of these in real time |
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| 16:47.03 | rant | I'm sure I could get systemd to cough up more info but this isnt an isolated problem so running down any one of those services isnt going to get to a solution |
| 16:47.22 | rant | this is basically happening to ALL services that try to start it would seem |
| 16:47.41 | rant | THAT is what indicates the issue, to someone who actually understands how systemd works :P |
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| 16:51.35 | olavx200 | Why isnt /usr/sbin in $path by default |
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| 16:55.05 | user__ | i want to try debian buster. It's true that it don't get security updates ? |
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| 16:57.34 | LtL | olavx200: it's tradition among other reasons, change it if you wish. |
| 16:58.10 | olavx200 | LtL: Whats the reasong behind it |
| 16:58.46 | olavx200 | reasoning |
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| 16:59.18 | Habbie | olavx200, the rough answer is that non-root users should not need things from /usr/sbin |
| 16:59.38 | LtL | olavx200: those are service binaries, intended for superuser's use, not regular users. |
| 16:59.48 | olavx200 | Alright. I see |
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| 17:01.21 | olavx200 | coming from arch perspective that i was confused why i couldnt run them hehe |
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| 17:02.50 | rant | olavx200: it is FOR the superuser |
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| 17:03.06 | magic_ninja | why did you come here from arch? |
| 17:03.25 | olavx200 | Wanted to try something new. Install debian on my rapi |
| 17:03.44 | olavx200 | installed* |
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| 17:04.48 | olavx200 | I originally intented to install gentoo on it, but since the gentoo tutorial on it reallied very heavily on the gentoo package manger a choose another distro |
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| 17:22.20 | k_ | https://bit.ly/2HZgKDr |
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| 17:24.50 | abrotman | k_: what about it? |
| 17:26.27 | EdePopede | Please make your choice: [ ] Porn [ ] Malware |
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| 17:27.02 | annadane | >bit.ly |
| 17:27.04 | annadane | noooooooope |
| 17:27.13 | Habbie | EdePopede, i checked, it's not the former.. |
| 17:27.15 | EdePopede | curl -I ;) |
| 17:27.34 | olavx200 | If i would have either pron or malware... |
| 17:27.41 | olavx200 | I want neither to be honest |
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| 18:21.40 | Greyztar | hello,is there any other program like logcheck availible that doesnt use sendmail?Also is sendmail a mail sending client like msmtp or is it a server only? |
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| 18:22.25 | Habbie | sendmail does it all |
| 18:22.28 | Habbie | msmtp only does sending |
| 18:24.25 | somiaj | most MTAs will provide a sendmail comadability binary. |
| 18:25.14 | Habbie | yes |
| 18:25.23 | somiaj | or at least I thought they did. Either way, the logcheck should just require an MTA, debian's default is exim4 (not sendmail), You could install postfix as well too. |
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| 18:26.32 | Greyztar | alright ill try with msmtp then,couldnt find where to enter client mail account settings in sendmail,ill try with msmtp thanks |
| 18:27.26 | somiaj | Are you wanting your local MTA to just forward to some other MTA? I have exim on my machine setup to send mail through my gmail account. |
| 18:27.42 | tdn | I have long been using apache + Subversion to host a subversion server. I now consider changing to git. What software to use for hosting git servers on Debian do you recommend? |
| 18:27.52 | somiaj | (though I agree, I think sendmail is one of the harder MTAs to configure with the other options out there) |
| 18:28.31 | somiaj | tdn: what sort of hosting do you want, installing a git server to host via a command line is easy, the standard git packages to that. |
| 18:28.42 | Greyztar | somiaj: if i could get logwatch to use msmtp that would be nice and what im trying to do,msmtp ive got working :) |
| 18:28.49 | somiaj | tdn: if you are wanting some more complicated setup where you have a web front end ot the git server (such as github) there are various choses to that. |
| 18:28.50 | Greyztar | i mean logcheck sorry |
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| 18:29.35 | somiaj | Greyztar: you should just need to point logwatch/logcheck at the SMTP server you want to send mail from, which should be independent from configuring a local SMTP server. |
| 18:29.48 | somiaj | (though unsure if those need a local SMTP server or not) |
| 18:29.56 | Greyztar | somiaj: alrighty thanks for help (,") |
| 18:30.25 | Greyztar | somiaj: spent many hours trying to figure out sendmail so ill let that be i think hehe |
| 18:31.04 | somiaj | yea, sendmail is the old standard and though quite powerful, not that popular these days. I would suggest sticking with exim4 (the debian default). But postfix is also fairly popular and easier to configure than sendmail. |
| 18:31.38 | somiaj | also I too find send mail difficutl to configure. My limited experience is use exim4 for simple stuff, postfix for more complicated stuff, but a lot of this is personal choice. |
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| 18:33.40 | clouddancer | good evening |
| 18:33.51 | somiaj | tdn: yea, git-daemon, which is part of the 'git' package contains a git server. Though this is just a simple git server, it won't have any fancy web front end or work over http ports like other servers may. |
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| 18:34.39 | clouddancer | is there anyone who could helb me, by getting platformio on debian 9 proper working? |
| 18:35.03 | somiaj | does debian 9 not provide a platformio package? |
| 18:35.08 | somiaj | (I don't really know what platformio is) |
| 18:36.57 | somiaj | I am not seeing any debian packages for this, you may want to read the platformio documentation and see what they say about support on debian 9 and installing it. |
| 18:37.24 | clouddancer | yes there is a platform io package but my problem is getting the sketches uploaded to the microcontroller |
| 18:37.56 | somiaj | well this package is not part of debian (its third party). You may find better support using platformio's support system. |
| 18:38.28 | somiaj | Seems they have forums you can browse/ask questions on, but also provie paid servers if you need more personal support. |
| 18:38.47 | clouddancer | yes its third party fpr sure |
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| 18:39.32 | deadrom | hi |
| 18:39.38 | somiaj | we mostly support debian packages here, unless someone who has experience with platformio happens to be around, you may find other support places more usefulf or your goal. |
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| 18:40.47 | clouddancer | okay thanks a lot and good bye |
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| 18:41.25 | deadrom | I'd like to have a png image with alpha channel areas floating over another program window with the transparency in effect and if possible without window borders. is that possible? xfce, so GL compositor. |
| 18:42.24 | magic_ninja | Where does dpkg install binaries? |
| 18:42.35 | somiaj | deadrom: not quite sure on your overall goal. But look at xteddy, you can give it custom images. Though this won't work with GL compositor, it uses masks, but can give you a image on your desktop that you can see through the alpha layer |
| 18:43.00 | somiaj | magic_ninja: dpkg -L packagename |
| 18:43.18 | somiaj | magic_ninja: in essence all over the place, but the binaries are usually in /usr/bin for user binaries, and /usr/sbin for root binaries. |
| 18:43.33 | magic_ninja | awesome, thanks. |
| 18:44.49 | magic_ninja | so is /usr/bin generally like the program files? There will be a folder and then all the relevant info? |
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| 18:45.13 | magic_ninja | Or is it more like the binaries there, the libs in a different spot, the config in a the user directory, etc |
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| 18:46.02 | somiaj | no, debian works on a shared libary system using the FHS, only the binaries are in /usr/bin, supporting info is often in /usr/share, libaries in /usr/lib, and so on |
| 18:46.32 | deadrom | somiaj: ossom! perfect! *exactly* what I wanted :) |
| 18:46.35 | somiaj | packages put files all over your system, dpkg -L packagename lists where it puts them all. In general though, you don't need to know the specifics, debian packages aer well integrated into the system. |
| 18:46.54 | rany | I just hate the Linux FHS... I wish it were as structured as FreeBSD :/ |
| 18:47.32 | somiaj | rany: what particular differences don't you like (I'm not that familar with FreeBSD but I thought they were similar FHS) |
| 18:48.13 | rany | somiaj, in FreeBSD all of the base system files are in /bin/ /sbin/ /etc/ /lib/ etc and user programs in /usr/bin/... etc |
| 18:48.24 | rany | you don't have that on linux :( |
| 18:49.19 | somiaj | rany: have you seen usrmerge |
| 18:49.29 | rany | somiaj, what is that? |
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| 18:50.11 | somiaj | looking up the package name. Bsically it links /bin and /usr/bin, /sbin, /usr/sbin, to get away from the two loctaions for binaries |
| 18:50.14 | annadane | i thought freebsd saved by default userspace programs to /usr/local etc, shows how little i know |
| 18:50.58 | somiaj | rany: https://wiki.debian.org/UsrMerge -- debian did try to make it default when stretch was testing, but there were various issues, and they went back to the standard |
| 18:51.19 | rany | ah i see, so it was basically just sym links ? |
| 18:51.38 | somiaj | note this only does bin and sbin, /lib is still split up kinda strange, but a lot of this split up is for multiarch |
| 18:51.54 | annadane | "will buster have usrmerge" is the next obvious question, but anyway |
| 18:52.24 | somiaj | rany: in essence, yea uses symlinks, and basically makes it so there is effictivally one location for binaires, /usr/bin and /usr/sbin |
| 18:52.52 | rany | somiaj, if this were the case they could have just deprecated the whole /usr directory then |
| 18:52.58 | somiaj | annadane: After the buggy transition in stretch in which they reverted making it default, I haven't heard much about trying to make it default any more. I think the packages are still available, but only for those who wanted it. |
| 18:53.03 | annadane | oh, is that why you need to su - instead of su in testing/sid for a while now |
| 18:53.07 | rany | and moved it in one place |
| 18:53.27 | somiaj | annadane: 'su' and 'su -' have always done two different things, this isn't new. Both should still work. |
| 18:53.31 | annadane | anyway whatever, i'll read the release notes when it releases |
| 18:53.49 | annadane | no i know they both *work*, but there was a specific condition |
| 18:53.58 | somiaj | rany: due to the shere number of legacy packages in debian, it isn't gonna be that easy to just remove the locations, hence the idea of links making it so you can look in either place. |
| 18:55.03 | jhutchins | somiaj: There was a period where some distros kludged su to do the same thing as su - because they got tired of telling users they had to use -, but they reverted after a release or two. |
| 18:55.07 | somiaj | rany: but that is the closes thing we have in debian if one would like to try to combine /bin and /usr/bin along with /sbin and /usr/sbin |
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| 18:55.47 | jhutchins | I don't understand who would care where the files were as long as they work. |
| 18:55.48 | annadane | i was lazy in my description but basically if you read #debian-next there |
| 18:55.50 | annadane | sigh |
| 18:55.52 | somiaj | jhutchins: ahh, didn't realize that. I just habitually type su - all the time because that is often what I want. Though not having a full login(1) as root 'su' is still userful. |
| 18:55.53 | annadane | let me try that again |
| 18:56.16 | annadane | ...there'd be questions of "why is this command not found" and the answer was "use su - instead" |
| 18:56.30 | jhutchins | somiaj: I usually use the dash but there are rare occasions when I deliberately don't. |
| 18:56.45 | rany | somiaj, well, i mainly use debian on my laptop because bsd is a power hog; power management in bsds is a joke but driver support is getting _better_ |
| 18:57.03 | jhutchins | somiaj: I believe greycat usually prefers without the dash. |
| 18:57.08 | rany | also tlp is amazing, nothing like it on bsd |
| 18:57.29 | somiaj | Both are important, you often don't want a full root enviroment when becoming root |
| 18:57.48 | somiaj | but yes, without a full root enviroment, as annadane pointed out, your PATH or other enviorment variables may not be what you expect. |
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| 18:58.18 | annadane | *something* changed from stretch and i have no idea how it's going to look in the finalized buster product |
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| 19:00.55 | somiaj | annadane: https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/s/shadow/shadow_4.5-1.1_changelog -- seems 4.4 vs 4.5 was the change, change log doesn't say much execpt something about dropping patches manipulating su argument concatentaion, maybe there were patches you were use to that got dropped changing how arugments with su work. |
| 19:02.46 | somiaj | also check out /usr/share/doc/login/NEWS.gz, it has some changes to su in the 4.5 version, but nothing major that I saw. |
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| 19:03.28 | hans_ | how's buster coming along? expected release date still "mid-2019" ? |
| 19:03.47 | somiaj | arg, nevermind me, I was reading the stretch news, not the buster one. As for what it will look like in the finalized buster product, look at it now, unless there is an rc bug about this, the way it is in buster now is the way it will end up being |
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| 19:03.51 | hans_ | guess it's the wrong channel, |
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| 19:03.53 | somiaj | hans_: ~100 more rc bugs to go |
| 19:04.31 | somiaj | https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ -- hmm looks like 120ish, but some have patches |
| 19:05.42 | somiaj | annadane: I'm not seeing any rc-bugs against login, how su works in buster right now should be how su works after the release. |
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| 19:17.22 | os-49574 | !bob |
| 19:17.22 | dpkg | methinks bob is the almighty spleened one. |
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| 19:17.50 | os-49574 | !alice |
| 19:18.01 | os-49574 | !bob |
| 19:18.02 | dpkg | somebody said bob was the almighty spleened one. |
| 19:18.06 | abrotman | os-49574: please stop |
| 19:18.43 | os-49574 | !bob need hints for priv Esc |
| 19:18.59 | abrotman | os-49574: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 19:19.07 | os-49574 | Nope |
| 19:19.22 | abrotman | os-49574: then please /part |
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| 19:22.25 | os-49574 | where can I find hints ? channel name? |
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| 19:46.05 | Synaptic | hello |
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| 19:46.13 | Synaptic | got a little problem here |
| 19:46.27 | somiaj | !ask |
| 19:46.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:46.31 | Synaptic | !paste |
| 19:46.31 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 19:46.33 | Synaptic | coming coming |
| 19:46.52 | Synaptic | http://paste.debian.net/1084086/ |
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| 19:47.14 | Synaptic | its in ita, but i hope can be understood |
| 19:48.21 | Synaptic | but strange, if i use synaptic package manager is working |
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| 19:48.25 | Synaptic | using apt-get i cannot install nothing |
| 19:48.47 | humpled | is synaptic open now? |
| 19:49.12 | Synaptic | now yes but when i run apt command was closed |
| 19:50.03 | Synaptic | now apt-get install (something) is working |
| 19:50.05 | Synaptic | but update no |
| 19:50.23 | Synaptic | for example sudo apt-get install ufw is working... anso nvidia-driver but apt-get udpate no |
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| 19:55.58 | Synaptic | im running Debian 9 stretch stable, 64 bit, this is my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/1084091/ and this is the problem that i receive using the command sudo apt-get update http://paste.debian.net/1084086/ |
| 19:56.16 | Synaptic | i will wait for help, Thank you |
| 19:56.51 | Habbie | Synaptic, that looks like another apt process is running already |
| 19:57.48 | Synaptic | i will try to give a reboot |
| 19:58.05 | Synaptic | but is strange, it should give the same error if i try to install something with APT if another apt is running |
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| 19:58.14 | Synaptic | but to install other apt programs no problems, only to update |
| 19:58.22 | Habbie | i agree |
| 19:58.42 | Habbie | ah, no |
| 19:58.49 | Habbie | if i have one install open, i cannot run another install |
| 19:58.50 | Habbie | but i can run update |
| 19:59.01 | Habbie | so it looks like you have an -update- stuck |
| 19:59.17 | Synaptic | i will finish to download nvidia-drivers and install them then i will try to reboot |
| 19:59.21 | Synaptic | and see if problem remain or not |
| 19:59.29 | Habbie | tru sudo fuser /var/lib/apt/lists/lock |
| 19:59.33 | Habbie | to see who holds the lock |
| 20:01.57 | Synaptic | showing this /var/lib/apt/lists/lock: 6012 |
| 20:02.41 | Synaptic | root 6012 0.0 0.0 45332 7024 ? S 11:11 0:01 apt-get -qq -y update |
| 20:02.44 | Synaptic | mhhh |
| 20:02.52 | Synaptic | what is that |
| 20:03.57 | Synaptic | thats could be the problem, but i dont know why is running this command from root |
| 20:04.05 | Synaptic | and who did it, me i dont remember... |
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| 20:05.02 | jmcnaught | Synaptic: try looking at "systemctl status apt-daily.service" see if it's running or ran recently |
| 20:05.40 | humpled | fuser doesn't return anything for me, even when an upgrade is running |
| 20:05.45 | Synaptic | http://paste.debian.net/1084095/ |
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| 20:06.53 | Synaptic | jmcnaught, killing that process with kill -9 should solve the problem? |
| 20:07.00 | jmcnaught | Synaptic: don't do that |
| 20:07.03 | Synaptic | ok |
| 20:07.26 | Synaptic | i'll not |
| 20:07.42 | humpled | heheh |
| 20:08.01 | Synaptic | humpled, sounds like nein nein nein!! |
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| 20:08.04 | Synaptic | ;D |
| 20:08.04 | jmcnaught | Synaptic: try "sudo systemctl status apt-daily.service" you should also see some journal entries |
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| 20:08.56 | Synaptic | jmcnaught, done http://paste.debian.net/1084098/ |
| 20:10.38 | jmcnaught | Synaptic: well you could try waiting to let it finish, or you could try "sudo systemctl stop apt-daily.service" which may or may not release the lock |
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| 20:11.15 | Synaptic | i can run it while im installing something with apt? |
| 20:11.24 | Synaptic | right now im installing nvidia-driver through it |
| 20:11.28 | jmcnaught | Synaptic: wait for the apt install to finish first |
| 20:11.33 | Synaptic | ok |
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| 20:12.49 | Synaptic | thank you for your help jmcnaught sometimes i feel lost, but, im trying to learn and i bought this debian handbook to |
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| 20:13.14 | jmcnaught | Synaptic: you'll get the hang of things :) |
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| 20:15.30 | Synaptic | you can believe or not i started with Slackware, that is really really hard, i took 3 days just to install it the first time... then to configure my desktop... then when everything was almost ready i had kernel panic |
| 20:15.55 | Synaptic | and stopped using linux for 6 years.. then i was back with ubuntu... but didnt like it, and now i want to try, and if possible STAY on debian |
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| 20:18.48 | Synaptic | ufw and gufw installed. and activated, is going to start on startup? or need to setup it? |
| 20:20.16 | LinuxGuy2020 | I have successfully remapped a standalone numberpad keyboard to run custom macros and apps. Now I am trying to remap the two side buttons of my mouse so that they are recognized as something like generic button4 and button5 but Im not sure what exactly they are called or what the system would actually call those bottons. Like with the keyboard I could refer to a key such as key_rightshift. Where can I get a list of valid mouse button nam |
| 20:20.16 | LinuxGuy2020 | es to use? |
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| 20:22.04 | jim | hi, a repo I add to sources.list complains as a result of doing apt update, that there isn't a Release file; is there nothing that can be done about this? |
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| 20:24.33 | Habbie | jim, complain to the repo owner? |
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| 20:27.37 | somiaj | jim: what source did you add, if it isn't an offiacl debian source, ask the owner of said source. |
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| 20:37.55 | Synaptic | jmcnaught, i run sudo systemctl stop apt-daily.service |
| 20:37.59 | Synaptic | but process is still there |
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| 20:38.53 | Synaptic | no, not there anymore on sudo fuser /var/lib/apt/lists/lock |
| 20:38.57 | Synaptic | i try update now |
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| 20:40.58 | Synaptic | http://paste.debian.net/1084101/ |
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| 20:41.02 | Synaptic | now this |
| 20:41.17 | Synaptic | i think i put that for conky, but now need to see how to remove as it does not exist anymore |
| 20:42.15 | jmcnaught | !localized errors |
| 20:42.15 | dpkg | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
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| 20:42.56 | jmcnaught | Synaptic: also you should not be adding Ubuntu PPAs, the two distros are not cross-compatible with each other. Maybe take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 20:43.09 | Synaptic | ye i saw... |
| 20:43.15 | Synaptic | but how to remove it now? |
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| 20:44.03 | roylaprattep | https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-0XoAwuh1wSs1MRKlrJ00VUPTnp4WtRC/view?usp=drivesdk |
| 20:44.20 | roylaprattep | Someone knows if my sensors in alarms are false positives? |
| 20:44.42 | jmcnaught | Synaptic: edit /etc/apt/sources.list or the file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ that has that repository in it |
| 20:44.54 | Synaptic | the first file has not |
| 20:44.58 | Synaptic | need to check the second |
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| 20:46.13 | Synaptic | ok done removed, apt-get update done it right now |
| 20:46.14 | Synaptic | ty |
| 20:46.56 | jmcnaught | Synaptic: be careful about adding third party software, that wiki page I linked above has some safer way of installing software that's not directly available from Debian |
| 20:47.28 | Synaptic | ok |
| 20:47.41 | Synaptic | now for example i need to install remmina, but is not on stretch official repo |
| 20:47.45 | Synaptic | so i need to use backports |
| 20:47.48 | Synaptic | is that dangerous? |
| 20:48.40 | jmcnaught | stretch-backports is not dangerous, but not tested as much as software in stretch main |
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| 20:49.13 | Synaptic | k |
| 20:49.14 | rany | Synaptic, only use backports when you need it |
| 20:49.48 | Synaptic | http://paste.debian.net/1084102/ |
| 20:49.54 | Synaptic | doing that one, should be fine |
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| 20:50.15 | jmcnaught | yeah that should be fine |
| 20:50.49 | rant | ,v remmina |
| 20:50.50 | judd | Package: remmina on amd64 -- jessie: 1.1.1-2; stretch-backports: 1.3.3+dfsg-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1.3.3+dfsg-2; sid: 1.3.3+dfsg-2; experimental: 1.3.4+dfsg-2 |
| 20:51.30 | Synaptic | doing sudo apt-get install or sudo apt install |
| 20:51.33 | Synaptic | change something? |
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| 20:52.36 | jmcnaught | doesn't matter which you prefer, apt has a progress bar |
| 20:53.09 | Habbie | huh, i never knew stretch-backports had packages that stretch did not |
| 20:53.11 | rant | ,v vinagre |
| 20:53.12 | Habbie | i always thought it was just new versions |
| 20:53.13 | judd | Package: vinagre on amd64 -- jessie: 3.14.1-1; stretch: 3.22.0-1+b1; buster: 3.22.0-6; sid: 3.22.0-6 |
| 20:54.35 | rant | Synaptic: vinagre is in stretch |
| 20:55.27 | somiaj | Habbie: in short it is packages in testing that are backported to stretch, which incldues both newer versions and newer packages. Due to debian's release philopshy not alining with various upstream release/support philosophy, more and more certain packages are provided in stretch-backports so debian security team doesn't have to support the frozen version. |
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| 20:55.51 | Habbie | somiaj, i followed that until you said 'debian security' |
| 20:55.53 | Synaptic | vinagre is remote desktop? |
| 20:55.58 | Synaptic | but im used to Remmina like it.. |
| 20:56.04 | Habbie | somiaj, are there packages for which debian security says 'god no, just use the backports version' ? |
| 20:56.16 | somiaj | Habbie: example of this is virtualbox. Orcale policy won't allow backporting security fixes to older versions, so debian cannot provide secuirty support to vritualbox. Thus it is provided via stretch-backports which isn't directly supported by debian-security |
| 20:56.32 | somiaj | Habbie: well such packages are often removed from stable because debian security cannot support them. |
| 20:56.43 | somiaj | so the only place you can get them is from upstream or backports. |
| 20:56.58 | Habbie | somiaj, ah, like that |
| 20:57.02 | rant | Synaptic: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/vinagre |
| 20:57.10 | Habbie | somiaj, security cannot support it, so it's not in stable, so you get it from backports, without the security support - thanks, now i get it |
| 20:57.45 | somiaj | Habbie: yup, because debian policy is to only support the frozen version in stretch. Without the help of upstream this can be a very hard thing to do, and debian secuirty only has so many voluenteers. |
| 20:59.01 | somiaj | and here I would say, it is provided in stretch-backports as a service to users without offical security support (though often securitty bugs cause a newer version to be put in stretch-backports -- with often a delay) |
| 20:59.13 | rant | Synaptic: what is your use case? cause personally I like X2go or xpra over RDP/VNC |
| 21:00.00 | Habbie | somiaj, right, because backports are not forced to be frozen versions |
| 21:01.17 | rant | both x2go and xpra can work over existing ssh setups and xpra can attach/detach individual apps rather than wasting resources on the whole desktop framebuffer |
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| 21:06.12 | Synaptic | how to restart x? i just installed nvidia drivers |
| 21:06.15 | Synaptic | im on KDE |
| 21:07.08 | Guest68142 | Synaptic, Well, the easiest way is to reboot since you don't have an exit KDE command. |
| 21:07.17 | Synaptic | ok |
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| 21:10.32 | jhutchins | You can also switch to a console and re-start your dm (usually gdm or lightdm). |
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| 21:11.53 | Synaptic | Im from the phone |
| 21:11.57 | Synaptic | X11 destroyed |
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| 21:12.06 | Synaptic | Cannot do startx |
| 21:12.12 | Synaptic | :( |
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| 21:12.58 | Synaptic | I just run sudo nvidia-xconfig |
| 21:14.23 | Synaptic | It changed /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 21:15.43 | Synaptic | https://ibb.co/z2pfghc |
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| 21:15.55 | Synaptic | Sorry but no other way to show my xorg.conf |
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| 21:16.34 | phogg | Synaptic: do you have an internet connection on that system? |
| 21:16.41 | somiaj | nvidia-xconfig is a fairly outdated/poor way with modern xorg. How did you install the nvidia driver? |
| 21:17.10 | phogg | Synaptic: what you ought to do is try startx and then look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see what (EE) lines it has |
| 21:17.58 | Synaptic | Startx does not go |
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| 21:18.51 | Synaptic | I did apt install nvidia-driver then I launched it and it says to run nvidia-xconfig |
| 21:19.12 | somiaj | that is a bit outdated, the newer nvidia-driver should be able to autodetect nvidia without any xorg.conf file |
| 21:19.12 | Synaptic | No is not connected |
| 21:19.33 | somiaj | I would delete (or move) the xorg.conf that was created by nvidia-xconfig, and then try startx |
| 21:19.36 | Synaptic | What to do now? There is a way to reset it? |
| 21:19.52 | somiaj | yea, just take the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file that was created and move/delete it |
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| 21:20.27 | Synaptic | Ok.got it |
| 21:20.34 | jmcnaught | Synaptic: did you install a linux-headers- package first before installing nvidia-driver? |
| 21:20.39 | Synaptic | Damn worst |
| 21:20.41 | Synaptic | No |
| 21:20.45 | somiaj | If it doens't just work, https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Manual -- see those 4 lines, that is all you should need to get the nvidia driver to work. |
| 21:20.51 | Synaptic | Now I did startx but got plasma error |
| 21:21.03 | Synaptic | Black screen. With cursor right now |
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| 21:21.21 | somiaj | try to create that /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf file suggested in the wiki (its 4 lines you have to copy/paste) then try again. |
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| 21:21.30 | Synaptic | Back to terminal |
| 21:21.52 | Synaptic | Im from smartphone right now |
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| 21:22.01 | Synaptic | Very hard lol |
| 21:22.46 | Synaptic | Can I start network.from terminal first? |
| 21:23.05 | jhutchins | Synaptic: Y'know, I'm running a console-based IRC client (in screen) and I can cut-and-paste with GPM. |
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| 21:23.42 | jhutchins | Synaptic: Is it not already started? If it uses NM, use nmcli. |
| 21:23.47 | somiaj | Synaptic: I would just suggest typing that configuration in by hand, it might take you a bit to get your network from a console. |
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| 21:24.07 | somiaj | (that is if it isn't already started). |
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| 21:24.13 | somiaj | Also have you rebooted since you installed the nvidia driver? |
| 21:24.15 | jhutchins | ifup etho? |
| 21:24.20 | jhutchins | 0 |
| 21:24.21 | jmcnaught | if headers were not installed before nvidia-driver, then the module compilation would have failed |
| 21:24.46 | jhutchins | jmcnaught: Yeah, but it would probably have failed before it told him to run nvidia-config. |
| 21:25.04 | somiaj | and most likely it isn't eth0 with the new naming shceme |
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| 21:25.44 | jmcnaught | nmtui is what I would try for a network connection |
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| 21:26.51 | Synaptic | Ok wait a sec |
| 21:26.57 | Synaptic | I need to write also the echo |
| 21:27.04 | Synaptic | Or just edit the xorg? |
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| 21:29.52 | carl_ | hi can someone help me with a basic apt thing? |
| 21:30.08 | jhutchins | Synaptic: The echo command uses the redirect command ">" to put the text into the file. You could also use an editor. |
| 21:30.42 | jhutchins | carl_: Depends on the thing and who's on. |
| 21:30.43 | Synaptic | I edited but now? |
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| 21:30.57 | carl_ | I'm on debian stable but the guake is too old so I run sudo apt install -t testing guake but I get "E: The value 'testing' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources" |
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| 21:31.18 | jhutchins | Synaptic: "Restart your system at this point to enable the nouveau driver blacklist. |
| 21:31.29 | jmcnaught | carl_: can't mix stable and testing like that |
| 21:31.32 | jhutchins | Sez so right on the page. |
| 21:31.57 | FinalX | mixing stable with testing is the fastest way of getting yourself into a real mess |
| 21:32.03 | Synaptic | https://ibb.co/hc1cXWW |
| 21:32.09 | carl_ | i know you |
| 21:32.22 | Synaptic | This is /etc/X11/xorg |
| 21:32.25 | Synaptic | Sorry |
| 21:32.31 | jhutchins | FinalX: Well, mixing distros can be faster. |
| 21:32.33 | carl_ | i know you're not supposed to mix them but how do i get the newer version of guake then? |
| 21:32.48 | jhutchins | ,v quake |
| 21:32.49 | judd | Package: quake on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 8; stretch/contrib: 49.1; buster/contrib: 63; sid/contrib: 63 |
| 21:33.01 | carl_ | guake, not quake |
| 21:33.01 | Synaptic | Is /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 21:33.08 | jhutchins | !ssb |
| 21:33.08 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 21:33.12 | carl_ | ,v guake |
| 21:33.13 | judd | Package: guake on amd64 -- jessie: 0.4.4-1; stretch: 0.8.8-1; buster: 3.4.0-1; sid: 3.4.0-1 |
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| 21:33.46 | FinalX | Synaptic: my wife wanted me to ask for your wallpaper because it was pretty, till I told her it was dirt ;) |
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| 21:33.55 | FinalX | she thought it was some pretty galaxy wallpaper |
| 21:34.03 | Synaptic | Lol |
| 21:35.41 | Synaptic | Jhutchins I query cannot follow up here too many lines I'm from phone |
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| 21:37.19 | Synaptic | https://ibb.co/ZWqqd8S |
| 21:37.26 | carl_ | !deb-src sid |
| 21:37.26 | dpkg | You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free". Remember to "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list. |
| 21:37.39 | carl_ | !deb-src testing |
| 21:37.39 | dpkg | You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the testing release is: "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free". Remember to "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list. |
| 21:38.49 | Synaptic | Pls help... |
| 21:38.56 | Synaptic | Stucked here |
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| 21:43.06 | carl_ | jhutchins, i followed what the bot said but i got an error about unmet dependencies from apt build-dep |
| 21:43.27 | carl_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 21:43.27 | carl_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.27 | carl_ | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 21:43.32 | carl_ | what does that mean? |
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| 21:45.51 | jhutchins | carl_: You're trying to install the newer quake from testing on stable. This is why that doesn't work. |
| 21:46.03 | jhutchins | carl_: We did tell you. |
| 21:46.22 | jmcnaught | ,checkbackport guake |
| 21:46.23 | judd | Backporting package guake in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports. |
| 21:46.41 | jmcnaught | carl_: do you have stretch-backports in your sources.list? |
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| 21:47.47 | carl_ | jmcnaught, I may be mistaken since I'm new to debian but I don't think there's an official backport of guake |
| 21:48.53 | jmcnaught | carl_: the message from the judd bot above indicates that the build-dependencies are in stretch and stretch-backports, so you will need stretch-backports in order to rebuild the guake package |
| 21:49.24 | carl_ | well wait jmcnaught |
| 21:49.47 | carl_ | isn't that message for backporting from sid to stretch, which is different than my goal of backporting from stretch to jesi |
| 21:49.53 | carl_ | *jessie |
| 21:50.09 | carl_ | wait hold on i got my debians confused |
| 21:51.14 | jmcnaught | ,checkbackport guake --fromrelease buster --torelease stretch |
| 21:51.15 | judd | Backporting package guake in busterâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports. |
| 21:51.24 | jmcnaught | same difference |
| 21:51.44 | carl_ | that's what i meant, yes, thank you - but you are also right that it doens't make a difference |
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| 21:52.26 | carl_ | so i did have stretch-backports in my sources.list |
| 21:52.31 | carl_ | but only the deb, not deb-src |
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| 21:54.33 | jmcnaught | Synaptic: if you want to get back to a GUI using the nouveau driver you can move the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/SomethingNvidia file you created, and also there will be a file blacklisting the nouveau module in /etc/modprobe.d/ that needs to be moved |
| 21:54.38 | carl_ | The line is specifically: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main |
| 21:55.09 | jim | somiaj, the source I added was... |
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| 21:55.24 | jmcnaught | carl_: so you just need to copy that line but with deb-src instead of deb at the start |
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| 21:56.04 | carl_ | ah okay let me try that |
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| 21:56.38 | jim | deb [arch=amd64] https://download.docker.com/linux/debian stretch stable |
| 21:56.47 | carl_ | well I still can't run build-dep |
| 21:57.20 | jim | why not? |
| 21:57.38 | carl_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 21:57.38 | carl_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.38 | carl_ | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 21:58.22 | Synaptic | https://ibb.co/JrRs8q9 |
| 21:58.27 | carl_ | I don't understand though whether it's because guake/buster is impossible to install on stretch, or I'm just doing something wrong |
| 21:58.57 | Synaptic | What to move and where to move |
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| 21:59.51 | jmcnaught | Synaptic: the nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf, move it to /root or someplace out of the way |
| 22:00.16 | carl_ | Just to check, I tried getting the .deb from https://packages.debian.org/buster/guake and it complained about a python3-gi dependency, so I tried also getting the python3-gi .deb, and that gave me a strange error about breaking python3-gi-cairo |
| 22:00.24 | Synaptic | Moved |
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| 22:00.58 | jim | ,v debhelper |
| 22:00.59 | judd | Package: debhelper on amd64 -- jessie: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-security: 9.20150101+deb8u2; stretch: 10.2.5; stretch-backports: 12.1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 12.1.1; sid: 12.1.1 |
| 22:01.03 | jmcnaught | Synaptic: with that blacklist file gone, and your xorg config back to defaults you should be able to reboot and start X again |
| 22:01.34 | jim | you want the one from backports |
| 22:01.40 | Synaptic | Let see |
| 22:01.43 | Synaptic | https://ibb.co/9YhbwqD |
| 22:02.04 | Synaptic | Rebooted... Same |
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| 22:03.04 | carl_ | jim, thank you, that got build-dep to run |
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| 22:04.05 | Synaptic | https://ibb.co/YZzCBBL |
| 22:04.11 | Synaptic | Think I miss something here |
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| 22:05.50 | jmcnaught | Synaptic: one option would be to purge nvidia-driver and all its dependencies |
| 22:06.00 | Synaptic | Ok |
| 22:06.04 | jim | carl_, are you trying to backport a package? |
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| 22:06.49 | Synaptic | Command? |
| 22:07.02 | Synaptic | I.mean command for all dependences? |
| 22:07.31 | carl_ | jim, I was following the response for !ssb |
| 22:08.13 | carl_ | in any case, I couldn't install the resulting .deb, because it needed dependencies from buster |
| 22:08.24 | jim | carl_, resulting in which/ |
| 22:08.25 | jim | ? |
| 22:09.23 | carl_ | this was the result, jim : https://pastebin.com/6ne6XYJu |
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| 22:09.41 | jmcnaught | Synaptic: "apt-get purge nvidia-*" should do it, but very carefully review the list of packages it will remove before approving |
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| 22:12.13 | Synaptic | Nothing... Time for a clean install |
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| 22:13.51 | jmcnaught | Synaptic: if you decide to try installing the nvidia drivers again make sure to follow these instructions, you need to have kernel headers installed before installing nvidia-driver, I suspect that's where things went wrong: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 22:19.57 | somiaj | jim: you'll have to ask docker about their sources. |
| 22:20.03 | ddelony | Is there a specific channel for discussing running Debian under Chrome OS/Crostini? |
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| 22:23.22 | carl_ | Well, it looks like something broke after following those instructions |
| 22:23.47 | carl_ | whenever I open a .deb now I get an error saying my dependencies are broken and to run synaptic to fix |
| 22:24.00 | carl_ | but synaptic causes my system to freeze |
| 22:27.05 | carl_ | !ssb |
| 22:27.05 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 22:29.36 | carl_ | okay i think the problem with these backport instructions is that if I try to make a backport of guake from testing to stable, it ends up being installed with broken dependencies |
| 22:29.38 | annadane | if i want to comment out a cron entry is it just #'s? |
| 22:29.46 | dvs | yup |
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| 22:37.04 | carl_ | !uupdate |
| 22:37.04 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>. |
| 22:37.28 | carl_ | !bdo |
| 22:37.28 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <stretch backports>) and oldstable (<jessie backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 22:37.49 | carl_ | dang i'm stumped |
| 22:38.08 | carl_ | these backport instructions aren't working |
| 22:38.59 | jmcnaught | carl_: there's an alternative method here: https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 22:40.21 | carl_ | jmcnaught, those don't work either |
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| 22:40.38 | carl_ | rmadison doesn't show any entries for guake testing or unstable |
| 22:41.10 | carl_ | oh wait NOW I see the issue |
| 22:41.25 | carl_ | the site says to run rmadison --architecture amd64 PACKAGE |
| 22:41.38 | carl_ | but guake in testing only has source, all |
| 22:42.02 | carl_ | of course it doesn't show up if I do rmadison --architecture amd64 guake |
| 22:42.12 | carl_ | god what a mess |
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| 22:44.04 | carl_ | aaand following the simple backport guide I just get E: The value 'testing' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
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| 22:44.24 | jmcnaught | carl_: was guake rewritten in an interpreted language like python between stretch and buster? That could be why it's for all instead of amd64 |
| 22:44.48 | carl_ | jmcnaught, i have no idea |
| 22:45.03 | carl_ | the newer one has python deps tho so I'm assuming it's in python |
| 22:45.03 | carl_ | hmm |
| 22:46.51 | carl_ | well the current github repo is in python alright |
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| 22:49.16 | carl_ | jmcnaught, 0.8 was python also |
| 22:49.28 | carl_ | so no to what you said |
| 22:51.02 | jmcnaught | carl_: did you successfully create a guake .deb but it just won't install? |
| 22:51.17 | carl_ | jmcnaught, yup |
| 22:51.42 | carl_ | jmcnaught, actually it WILL install, but installing it breaks everything |
| 22:52.24 | jmcnaught | carl_: did you install it with dpkg -i? Installing it with "apt install ./guake.deb" should pull in dependencies that the package may need |
| 22:53.32 | carl_ | jmcnaught, !ssb said to use dpkg -i so I used that |
| 22:53.43 | carl_ | Let me try again with apt install |
| 22:53.57 | jmcnaught | carl_: apt installing a local package with a path is a newer feature |
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| 22:55.28 | carl_ | jmcnaught, well, apt won't install it |
| 22:55.51 | carl_ | it's complaining about missing dependencies |
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| 22:55.53 | jmcnaught | carl_: can you show the full output on https://paste.debian.net/ ? |
| 22:56.47 | carl_ | jmcnaught, sure, thank you for the pastebin link. Here's the output: https://paste.debian.net/1084115/ |
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| 22:58.36 | jmcnaught | carl_: well those packages simply aren't in stretch or stretch-backports at the required versions. I don't know why judd reports that guake can be backported if that's the case. The bot's not perfect I guess |
| 23:00.08 | carl_ | jmcnaught, what does backporting mean exactly? Does it mean just making a newer package install on older debians with older dependencies, or does it mean also pulling the newer dependencies too? |
| 23:00.36 | jmcnaught | carl_: it means compiling a newer package from testing/unstable for the libraries in stable |
| 23:01.23 | carl_ | jmcnaught, so what happens if it needs dependencies from testing? is it impossible to backport then? |
| 23:02.46 | jmcnaught | carl_: or you can end up in dependency hell trying to backport dependencies of dependencies. I usually don't bother unless it's something I can't live without (zero manually backported software on any of my stretch systems) |
| 23:03.46 | carl_ | jmcnaught, the dependency hell sounds like less trouble than dealing with the ancient bugs in some packages of stable though |
| 23:04.02 | carl_ | jmcnaught, maybe I'm coming at this the wrong way |
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| 23:04.41 | carl_ | jmcnaught, I figured that since I hate troubleshooting and I can live without the newest version for most of my software, I should use debian stable as opposed to testing |
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| 23:05.15 | sammm | hey, if I want to apt-get download a package and all of the depends (+ depends of depends), what's the best way? |
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| 23:05.45 | carl_ | jmcnaught, this seems to be working fine in most cases, but occasionally I run into a package which is just unreasonably old, so I figured I could just install those from testing and hope for the best |
| 23:06.43 | jmcnaught | carl_: well as you can see stable and testing have diverged quite a bit in terms of library versions, which is why mixing binary packages from both (as opposed to backporting source packages) can easily mess up your system |
| 23:07.20 | jmcnaught | carl_: buster is frozen now and won't be changing much, if you can live without security support upgrading to buster is an option. |
| 23:08.10 | carl_ | jmcnaught, what do you mean by security support? |
| 23:09.19 | jmcnaught | carl_: only Debian stable gets security updates from the security team, so buster lags a bit behind getting security updates |
| 23:09.46 | carl_ | jmcnaught, ah |
| 23:10.16 | carl_ | jmcnaught, so I have to pick between really old software in general but up to date on security issues, vs. newer software but outdated on security |
| 23:10.34 | carl_ | oh well |
| 23:10.54 | carl_ | jmcnaught, my main concern really is that if I switched to testing one of the drivers will randomly break |
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| 23:13.42 | Synaptic | ghgh im back |
| 23:13.44 | Synaptic | clean installation |
| 23:13.45 | jmcnaught | carl_: do you have third-party drivers installed? If you follow the upgrade instructions in the (draft) buster release notes it should be a smooth upgrade |
| 23:15.19 | Synaptic | this is my sources.list https://paste.debian.net/1084116/ but sudo apt update showing: https://paste.debian.net/1084117/ what is wrong here?? |
| 23:15.35 | carl_ | jmcnaught, I didn't install any drivers separately after installing debian but I did have to allow the non-free repos |
| 23:16.31 | carl_ | jmcnaught, my concern was about after not during the transition though |
| 23:17.10 | jmcnaught | Synaptic: it's complaining about duplicate entries in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/stretch-backports.list |
| 23:17.33 | Synaptic | so? |
| 23:17.44 | Synaptic | need to delete the backports? |
| 23:17.50 | jmcnaught | Synaptic: so you need to edit that file, not /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:17.54 | Synaptic | ok |
| 23:18.39 | Synaptic | done |
| 23:18.48 | Synaptic | jmcnaught, before you told me about linux-headers |
| 23:18.54 | Synaptic | im checking on synaptic but plenty of them |
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| 23:19.27 | jmcnaught | Synaptic: I recommend following the instructions here: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers which includes installing the headers package that you need |
| 23:20.53 | carl_ | jmcnaught, do you have a link to the upgrade instructions? |
| 23:23.01 | jmcnaught | carl_: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/releasenotes but actually they look broken right now for some reason. You could also refer to the upgrade instructions for stretch https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/releasenotes (chapter 4) the process is basically the same but you'll miss out on reading about what's new in buster, issues to be aware of |
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| 23:24.49 | carl_ | jmcnaught, uh, is it usual for so many things to be broken in debian? |
| 23:25.36 | jmcnaught | carl_: not really. The buster release notes are just a draft so I think it's understable that they're still working on them. |
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| 23:26.56 | carl_ | jmcnaught, don't they at least archive the version before it broke or something? |
| 23:27.34 | jmcnaught | carl_: I don't know what's up with the buster release notes right now but they'll probably be fixed soon |
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| 23:31.21 | carl_ | eh, on a second thought, sounds like I should just pin whatever is necessary for guake |
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