| 00:00.14 | LtL | lenswipe: try the alsa wiki, offhand i don't know what to tell you on a laptop |
| 00:00.30 | lenswipe | thanks anyway |
| 00:00.44 | lenswipe | honestly, sound support on Linux is and (in my experience always has been) abysmal |
| 00:00.45 | LtL | lenswipe: sorry man, good lucjk |
| 00:01.05 | LtL | lenswipe: i tend to agree with you |
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| 00:01.13 | lenswipe | seriously though |
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| 00:01.35 | lenswipe | i start my computer up and it's a 50/50 coin toss as to whether networking, sound, or external displays will actually work |
| 00:01.48 | lenswipe | I love linux, but this shit drives me fucking insane on my work computers |
| 00:01.50 | lenswipe | </rant> |
| 00:02.09 | LtL | lenswipe: look at dmesg, see if anything failed to load. 'dmesg |grep -i firmware |
| 00:02.19 | aloo_shu | can you do a dpkg-reconfigure on alsa? or in other ways force alsa to re-scan cards and write a new config? |
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| 00:02.35 | lenswipe | aloo_shu, possibly - how do I do that? |
| 00:03.24 | aloo_shu | I was just pointing the way, man alsactl could be a start |
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| 00:03.38 | LtL | lenswipe: alsactl init |
| 00:03.46 | LtL | is one, kinda |
| 00:04.31 | LtL | lenswipe: integrated sound probably yes? |
| 00:04.37 | lenswipe | yeah |
| 00:04.43 | lenswipe | aloo_shu, oh ok |
| 00:04.44 | lenswipe | ta |
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| 00:06.00 | aloo_shu | not the fist time I see alsa loose the card in stretch, happened to me, too, once |
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| 00:06.31 | LtL | rarely on a laptop though |
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| 00:06.46 | lenswipe | well i have a dock |
| 00:07.11 | lenswipe | so plugging in the dock seems to engage the "Please obliterate my sound card and network adapters so that nothing works" kernel module |
| 00:07.22 | aloo_shu | for me, it did, laptop |
| 00:07.25 | LtL | recuses himself in that event :) |
| 00:08.00 | lenswipe | :) |
| 00:08.18 | LtL | lenswipe: look at dmesg |
| 00:08.43 | lenswipe | oh, good idea |
| 00:08.44 | lenswipe | btw |
| 00:08.49 | lenswipe | i just ran alsactl restore |
| 00:08.50 | lenswipe | alsactl: load_state:1735: No soundcards found... |
| 00:09.52 | LtL | lenswipe: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 00:10.17 | lenswipe | looking in dmesh |
| 00:10.19 | lenswipe | dmsg |
| 00:10.20 | lenswipe | [ 12.242454] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1f.3: CORB reset timeout#1, CORBRP = 0 |
| 00:10.20 | lenswipe | [ 12.244072] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1f.3: no codecs found! |
| 00:10.24 | lenswipe | guessing that's related |
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| 00:10.32 | aloo_shu | ( also possibly after unplugging ext. soundcard, or plugging/unplugging headphone, maybe new-ish kernel's drivers for intel hda, or systemd not getting them ready in time for alsa ) |
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| 00:10.33 | lenswipe | oops |
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| 00:10.53 | lenswipe | LtL, cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 00:10.53 | lenswipe | --- no soundcards --- |
| 00:12.35 | LtL | is snd_hda_codec loaded in lsmod? |
| 00:13.43 | lenswipe | snd_hda_intel 36864 0 |
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| 00:14.49 | lenswipe | https://gist.github.com/robertmain/42a44692b854924dcc289ff10dc22de3 |
| 00:17.14 | LtL | that looks pretty good, this seems to be a common kernel bug. i haven't found an answer yet shy of re-setting the motherboard |
| 00:17.27 | LtL | crazy |
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| 00:20.35 | lenswipe | oh, so basically the answer is just "shits fucked" |
| 00:20.44 | lenswipe | Well, at least I know I didn't break something |
| 00:20.46 | lenswipe | L/ |
| 00:20.47 | lenswipe | :/ |
| 00:20.50 | lenswipe | where'd you find that info? |
| 00:20.58 | lenswipe | Also, why has this only just happened? I just started my computer |
| 00:22.39 | aloo_shu | or the hda chips themselves got worse - mine sometimes forgets whether headphone is plugged, or not, but that could be plain dirt |
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| 00:25.05 | aloo_shu | the card's IRQ not getting a decent shed prio could be another potential underlying err, something seems to be attempting to dynamically adapt there, 'perf' lines in dmesg |
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| 00:26.57 | lenswipe | aloo_shu, yeah mine does that too sometimes |
| 00:26.59 | lenswipe | anyway |
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| 00:27.26 | lenswipe | what's the deal here? what do I do to try and work around this? Just pray to Jesus and hope it fixes itself? If it's a common kernel bug there must be a fix in the works somewhere |
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| 00:28.30 | aloo_shu | wait, and if you just manually unloaded and re-loaded snd_hda_intel ? that would give the driver a chance to init the card when there's no busy boot going on |
| 00:28.46 | aloo_shu | lenswipe: ^ |
| 00:28.46 | lenswipe | i haven't |
| 00:28.48 | lenswipe | how do i do that |
| 00:28.57 | aloo_shu | modprobe |
| 00:29.16 | aloo_shu | man modprobe for how exactly |
| 00:29.27 | aloo_shu | as root |
| 00:30.32 | lenswipe | ~ sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel |
| 00:30.32 | LtL | seems the proper modules are loaded, try 'modprobe -r snd_hda_intel modprobe snd_hda_intel' |
| 00:30.34 | lenswipe | is that what you mean? |
| 00:30.41 | lenswipe | yeah i did |
| 00:30.47 | lenswipe | just returns nothing |
| 00:30.59 | LtL | echo $? |
| 00:31.08 | LtL | 0 or 1 |
| 00:31.37 | LtL | 0 means successful |
| 00:31.56 | aloo_shu | sure doesn't return much, but does alsa(mixer) see a card now? |
| 00:32.59 | lenswipe | oh yeah good idea |
| 00:33.02 | lenswipe | aloo_shu, no it cant |
| 00:33.18 | lenswipe | LtL, it returned 0 |
| 00:33.21 | aloo_shu | :( |
| 00:33.28 | LtL | lenswipe: run journalctl -f and try to play something outside that shell |
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| 00:34.28 | LtL | ctrl-c to quit or maybe just 'q' |
| 00:34.46 | aloo_shu | (prolly pulse will complain about backend) |
| 00:34.57 | LtL | yeah |
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| 00:37.10 | LtL | lspci -vv | grep -i audio |
| 00:37.26 | LtL | really sounds like a hardware issue |
| 00:37.38 | aloo_shu | or shed |
| 00:38.42 | aloo_shu | could boot another os, for fun, to rule out, and to blow the dust out of the soundcard |
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| 00:41.38 | lenswipe | LtL, nothing in there about the sound card |
| 00:41.52 | lenswipe | ~ sudo lspci -vv | grep -i audio |
| 00:41.52 | apt | ACTION lspci -vv a | grep -i audio |
| 00:41.52 | lenswipe | 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Device 9d71 (rev 21) (prog-if 80) |
| 00:41.59 | LtL | thats not good at all |
| 00:42.03 | lenswipe | why is that not good? |
| 00:42.38 | LtL | i wrote that before you posted lspci results |
| 00:43.30 | LtL | lenswipe: can you pastebin lspci -nn |
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| 00:44.19 | lenswipe | oh ok |
| 00:44.21 | lenswipe | sure one sec |
| 00:44.52 | lenswipe | https://gist.github.com/robertmain/88aa471bcc1bf03ca0fa108d31bdae7f |
| 00:45.17 | lenswipe | huh. apparently my laptop has a RAID controller....that's news |
| 00:45.34 | LtL | ,pciid 8086:9d71 |
| 00:45.35 | judd | [8086:9d71] is 'Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-soc-skl', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:9d71 |
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| 00:46.19 | lenswipe | ? |
| 00:46.23 | LtL | modprobe snd-soc-skl as root perhaps |
| 00:46.28 | lenswipe | oh ok |
| 00:46.38 | lenswipe | nothing |
| 00:46.46 | lenswipe | exited with 0 though |
| 00:47.00 | LtL | try alsamixer still nothing |
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| 00:48.59 | lenswipe | nope |
| 00:49.07 | LtL | do you have headphones? plug them in |
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| 00:51.30 | lenswipe | i do |
| 00:51.33 | lenswipe | i did |
| 00:51.40 | LtL | try aplay -l as user |
| 00:51.50 | LtL | any output? |
| 00:51.55 | lenswipe | aplay: device_list:270: no soundcards found... |
| 00:52.00 | LtL | ugh |
| 00:52.55 | LtL | lenswipe: you mentioned a dock? |
| 00:53.01 | lenswipe | yeah, its at work though |
| 00:53.07 | lenswipe | im at home |
| 00:53.45 | aloo_shu | no surprise there (aplay fail), but what's snd-soc? |
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| 00:54.19 | LtL | the box doesn't see your hardware and all modules seem loaded.... weird intel is usually easy |
| 00:54.39 | LtL | aloo_shu: never heard of it actually. |
| 00:54.58 | aloo_shu | it didn't respond to a reset, that card |
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| 01:06.08 | LtL | lenswipe: you can try this at your own peril, can't hurt. https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/06/fix-no-sound-dummy-output-issue-in.html |
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| 01:08.01 | lenswipe | lol |
| 01:08.06 | lenswipe | LtL, first hurdle already |
| 01:08.09 | lenswipe | lsmod | grep snd_hda_intel returned nothing |
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| 01:08.34 | LtL | it was there wasn't it? |
| 01:08.41 | lenswipe | well it's not anymore |
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| 01:10.21 | LtL | lspci -vvk |grep Audio |
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| 01:12.34 | LtL | yeah, it was there |
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| 01:20.58 | TinkerTiger | Would anyone know where I'd find an orientation sensor? I need to turn it off because I'm tired of my laptop screen from flipping when I move wrong. |
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| 01:23.35 | aloo_shu | TinkerTiger: if you could blacklist the module that's reading it, wouldn't that also solve it? maybe it has a self evident name in lsmod |
| 01:23.52 | LtL | TinkerTiger: what desktop? |
| 01:24.29 | TinkerTiger | HP EliteBook, forgot which model. I forgot about blacklisting. I'll see if I can find the module. Thanks. |
| 01:24.51 | aloo_shu | TinkerTiger: if such a setting were exposed, then probably 'Display' is where rotation can be disabled |
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| 01:25.44 | LtL | TinkerTiger: gnome, kde, xfce? |
| 01:25.53 | TinkerTiger | aloo_shu: I looked in the display panel and didn't see anything about the automatic rotation. I'm on my Chromebook now though. :) |
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| 01:26.02 | TinkerTiger | Cinnamon. |
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| 01:30.27 | lenswipe | LtL, any other ideas, or as you as stumped as I am now? |
| 01:30.31 | LtL | TinkerTiger: I'm sorry, all I see are ugly workarounds for that. |
| 01:30.58 | TinkerTiger | LtL: Thanks. |
| 01:31.18 | LtL | lenswipe: does lspci -vk |grep Audio show a loaded kernel module? |
| 01:31.38 | LtL | lenswipe: i have no idea what heppening there |
| 01:32.22 | LtL | excuse typos |
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| 01:37.08 | lenswipe | LtL, 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Device 9d71 (rev 21) (prog-if 80) |
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| 01:40.53 | aloo_shu | I'd try to force alsa to configure itself afresh by any means possible, temporarily rename config files. purge and reinstall? if ever you find the exact cause and solution, LtL lenswipe , send me a memo, please |
| 01:43.36 | kingsley | How do you look at peoples' contact info in .vcf files? |
| 01:45.50 | LtL | lenswipe: you could create a new user and try, but i think it's hardware |
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| 01:46.34 | aloo_shu | also, if you want an expert, that could be JackWinter, maintains a rt kernel cuz he's into audio, and is on various audio related chans like lau & lad, ardour, at eu waking hours, lenswipe . asking in #ardour wouldn't be a bad idea in any case, ppl like rgareus, las know the linux audio stack like their pocket |
| 01:47.46 | aloo_shu | they might be up |
| 01:47.52 | lenswipe | aloo_shu, if i knew how to do what you're suggesting i would |
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| 01:47.59 | lenswipe | how do i purge and re-install alsa? |
| 01:48.06 | lenswipe | sudo apt-get remove alsa just says it's not installed |
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| 01:50.07 | abrakad | /help |
| 01:50.21 | aloo_shu | it's I think alsa-base, but a) it would have to be purge, and b) not sure if that works w/o getting messy, i.e. wanting to remove dependants, too, lenswipe |
| 01:51.02 | LtL | thats not it's package name lenswipe |
| 01:51.15 | nuuuciano | hi there! someone knows whats going on with firefox extensions? I have only 1 (ONE) left, all the others has stopped working... I have found this https://www.zdnet.com/article/mozilla-announces-ban-on-firefox-extensions-containing-obfuscated-code/ but that says 10 of june...? |
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| 01:52.21 | aloo_shu | I think (most of) alsa is in the kernel now, isn't it? |
| 01:52.40 | LtL | lenswipe: does alsamixer still work? |
| 01:52.42 | kingsley | lenswipe: I only read the start and end of your chat about silence. |
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| 01:53.00 | LtL | aloo_shu: i'm not sure. |
| 01:53.03 | kingsley | lenswipe: I sympathhize. |
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| 01:54.28 | LtL | lenswipe: you might try alsa-utils |
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| 01:55.53 | LtL | lenswipe: i would adduser saomename reboot and login as somename. worth a shot |
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| 01:56.13 | LtL | lenswipe: got to go sir, good luck |
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| 01:58.38 | lenswipe | LtL, tried that on my wif'es account |
| 01:58.39 | lenswipe | didnt work |
| 01:58.40 | lenswipe | thanks tho |
| 01:58.58 | lenswipe | kingsley, yeah, pulseaudio isnt working |
| 01:59.01 | lenswipe | any ideas? |
| 02:02.15 | kingsley | lenswipe: At the risk of repeating suggestions I over looked: 1.) Desktop computers may not depend on power saving sound software found in laptops 2.) You may want try experimenting with the "pavucontrol" utility. I vaguely recall it had options for reconfiguring and testing 3.) there used to be step by step "howto" guides on the 'net for fixing linux audio, maybe there there still are, especially with pulseaudio 4.) the bug may be fixab |
| 02:02.16 | kingsley | le from with the silent app. For example, one of my computers often goes silent while playing videos with a player called "vlc". I routinely fix it by using a drop down menu to re-select the same hardware output device. |
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| 02:08.59 | kingsley | I seem to have answered my own question about how to reveal contact info in .vcf files. The good ol' "strings" command. |
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| 02:11.53 | lenswipe | kingsley, thanks, this seems more serious though |
| 02:12.03 | lenswipe | my soundcard just ist detcted |
| 02:12.13 | aloo_shu | lenswipe: alsa-base is the pkg containing conf files for alsa drivers. (sudo) dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base cannot hurt |
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| 02:15.57 | aloo_shu | lenswipe: according to man alsactl, the card state is stored in /var/lib/alsa/asaound.state . assuming it's potentially messed up, will get rewritten, and doesn't store but temp things like speaker volume, you could remove it |
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| 02:17.12 | aloo_shu | lenswipe: alsa's main conffile is /etc/asound.conf - you could rename that into something else |
| 02:17.49 | aloo_shu | - to force it to be rewritten, and have a backup, just in case |
| 02:20.46 | aloo_shu | (which is, btw, why adding a user won't help much, alsa conf is global (in /etc) , not per user (in /home/<user>) |
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| 02:23.56 | aloo_shu | after reconfiguring alsa-base & removing/renaming the 2 files mentioned, you could reboot and pray lenswipe , logging out is probably not enough, and I don't know the more elegant way that probably exists |
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| 02:25.04 | Lady_Aleena | Could someone please tell me why the following perl -e is returning an error. I don't think this is a perl issue, I think it is a command line issue. |
| 02:25.16 | Lady_Aleena | perl -e "use strict; use warnings; use feature qw(say); my $string = '2000 - current year'; $string =~ s/current year/1117/; say(eval($string));" |
| 02:26.00 | Lady_Aleena | I'm being told I have a "syntax error at -e line 1, near "my ="" but I don't see it. |
| 02:26.15 | dax | Lady_Aleena: bash is interpreting $string as a bash variable, and it's not set, so it blanks it |
| 02:26.42 | dax | change it to \$string or use single quotes |
| 02:26.51 | Lady_Aleena | Why is bash interpreting anything, perl is supposed to be interpreting it. |
| 02:27.06 | dax | because that's how double quotation marks work in bash |
| 02:27.18 | Lady_Aleena | bangs her head on her desk. |
| 02:27.49 | Lady_Aleena | I would think that once it sees perl, it would let perl do the interpreting. |
| 02:28.29 | dax | shells don't really special-case argument parsing based on the program name |
| 02:28.44 | Lady_Aleena | And if I use single quotes, the single quotes I need to use to test this won't work. |
| 02:29.33 | dax | change them to double quotes? |
| 02:29.41 | dax | perl -e 'use strict; use warnings; use feature qw(say); my $string = "2000 - current year"; $string =~ s/current year/1117/; say(eval($string));' |
| 02:29.54 | Lady_Aleena | I don't want the string '2000 - current year' interpolated. |
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| 02:30.07 | Lady_Aleena | Double quotes get interpolated. |
| 02:30.53 | dax | i don't see any variables in the string "2000 - current year" to get interpolated |
| 02:31.15 | dax | anyway, the other option is \$string, as said |
| 02:32.24 | dax | (also: i just did the same stuff in dash and it behaves the same, so this isn't even bash-specific behavior, it's POSIX behavior) |
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| 02:33.39 | Lady_Aleena | Thank you for explaining things dax. |
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| 02:36.36 | Lady_Aleena | I am now going to sit here and glare at my monitor for a while until I stop being angry about this. It may that my house is warming up quickly because I had to shut windows to keep the rain out so no cool air coming in without turning on the air conditioner. |
| 02:36.56 | zellfaze | Hey some stuff is going on with Firefox currently. |
| 02:37.11 | zellfaze | Not sure if anyone here has a connection to anyone at Mozilla to make them aware. |
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| 02:37.16 | zellfaze | https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/bkcjoa/all_of_my_addons_got_disabled_and_they_are_all/ |
| 02:37.27 | zellfaze | can add themselves to the list of folks having the same issue |
| 02:37.45 | dax | there's an open bug report about it with mozilla employees responding. the right people are aware. |
| 02:37.57 | friendlyGoat | hello i was wondering which partition had my MBR in it? im on gparted and im thinking its /dev/sda2 but i aint sure, would my MBR be in my efi partition? (sda2?) |
| 02:38.00 | zellfaze | Excellent. |
| 02:38.33 | zellfaze | will switch to Tor browser for the time being. |
| 02:39.12 | Lady_Aleena | zellfaze, there was one release of Firefox that disabled all but one of my add-ons making Firefox a pain to use for some things. |
| 02:40.15 | zellfaze | I was kind of surprised this happened actually. I didn't update Firefox, everything just got remotely disabled. |
| 02:40.44 | zellfaze | Hey dax, do you have a link to that bug report. I am curious as to what is going on. |
| 02:40.56 | zellfaze | is currently looking for it also |
| 02:41.18 | zellfaze | found it |
| 02:41.23 | zellfaze | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548973 |
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| 02:46.48 | zellfaze | Apparently the issue affects Tor Browser as well. |
| 02:50.15 | AaronXu | what a mess |
| 02:50.49 | zellfaze | Yeah. Looks like some sort of certifcate issue. |
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| 02:51.24 | AaronXu | extensions should not have ability to be disabled remotely |
| 02:51.52 | zellfaze | I agree. I am really concerned that it can be done like that. |
| 02:52.03 | zellfaze | And even more surprised that Tor Browser didn't patch that out. |
| 02:52.18 | AaronXu | agreed this impacted Tor users |
| 02:52.50 | AaronXu | at the least Tor should have taken extra measures to prevent this |
| 02:52.54 | AaronXu | design flaw if you ask me |
| 02:53.19 | zellfaze | I wonder if the folks at Tor knew that this was something that could protentially happen. Might have been overlooked. |
| 02:53.33 | zellfaze | Regardless, no web-browsing for me I guess until this gets fixed. |
| 02:57.34 | AaronXu | There's a workaround that involves going to about:config and setting xpinstall.signatures.required to false. |
| 02:58.29 | zellfaze | Fuck yeah. |
| 02:58.34 | zellfaze | That works in Tor Browser at least. |
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| 03:00.12 | lenswipe | aloo_shu, il try that thx |
| 03:02.44 | zellfaze | It works for Debian's copy of Firefox too. |
| 03:02.46 | zellfaze | Just tried. |
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| 03:06.21 | aloo_shu | lenswipe: remember /msg memoserv send aloo_shu <solution> if this doesn't work, and later you find one. plus, still open: booting a different OS (e.g. old live install medium), asking in #ardour (with the dmesg lines concerning the soundcard) |
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| 03:13.13 | uptick | hello |
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| 03:17.09 | lenswipe | aloo_shu, /etc/asound.conf is missing |
| 03:17.27 | lenswipe | thanks |
| 03:21.40 | aloo_shu | lenswipe: and if you do dmesg, do you have the two lines of snd_hda_intel errors again? |
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| 03:31.24 | aloo_shu | lenswipe: not sure now what should be writing the asound.conf, but you could try alsactl init and as an argument, pass it the device, using the output of lspci|grep audio to locate it, probably under /dev/bus/pci/ |
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| 03:34.56 | aloo_shu | lenswipe: if I were you, at this point I'd definitely have tried to boot some linux from cd or pendrive, test audio, copy asound.conf possibly |
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| 03:36.39 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | So, something weird is going on with Mozilla Firefox's extensions right now. |
| 03:37.04 | patterson | Think they turned them all off |
| 03:37.22 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Yeah, what the fuck? |
| 03:37.30 | AaronXu | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548973 |
| 03:37.52 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Even if it's an accident. It shouldn't be possible to suddenly remove all my security addons at once remotely. |
| 03:38.00 | patterson | https://www.engadget.com/2019/05/03/firefox-extension-add-on-cert/ |
| 03:38.00 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | That is quite worrisome. |
| 03:38.06 | zellfaze | Indeed. |
| 03:38.10 | zellfaze | There is a workaround. |
| 03:38.14 | zellfaze | Go into about:config and set xpinstall.signatures.required to false. |
| 03:38.23 | patterson | some config:: |
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| 03:38.32 | patterson | right |
| 03:38.52 | zellfaze | I believe there is an expired certificate somewhere. |
| 03:39.00 | zellfaze | If I read the bug report properly. |
| 03:39.12 | patterson | It's just me, but maybe the certificate model is broken |
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| 03:39.25 | zellfaze | believes that the certificate model is totally borked. |
| 03:39.45 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | It's absolutely broken and has pretty much always been. |
| 03:40.03 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | WoT is a hackish partial fix on fundamental issues about trust. |
| 03:40.17 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | It'd still be a step up. |
| 03:40.23 | zellfaze | This |
| 03:40.56 | aedinius | tries to install wot extension |
| 03:40.58 | aedinius | fails |
| 03:41.24 | zellfaze | No extensions at all right now. |
| 03:41.24 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Yeah, the model didn't catch on because it's both more complicated to implement and more complicated to use. |
| 03:41.43 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | I went and disabled javascript. Of course that means basically nothing but info sites work. |
| 03:41.57 | aedinius | I'm kinda surprised, firefox hasn't completely removed my extensions on this laptop yet. |
| 03:42.05 | aedinius | It did on my other laptop, but I'm safe... for now |
| 03:42.25 | zellfaze | When Firefox broke for me earlier I switched to my copy of Tor Browser because I refuse to browse the web without NoScript. |
| 03:42.34 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | ^ |
| 03:42.36 | zellfaze | And that is how I learned Tor browser is affected as well. |
| 03:42.43 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Hm. Icecat is working just fine. |
| 03:43.11 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | headpats a GNU |
| 03:44.30 | tux0r | Pale Moon and nMatrix extension |
| 03:45.04 | tux0r | (quit firefox long ago... needed a browser that didn't think it knew what I needed better than myself) |
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| 03:45.35 | zellfaze | I'm not familiar with Pale Moon. |
| 03:45.42 | aedinius | Palemoon devs are kinda jerks. |
| 03:45.54 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/palemoon.html |
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| 03:46.19 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | The Icecat check is less damning, so I went with Icecat. |
| 03:47.00 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | The bit about NoScript is exactly the "knows what's best for me" nonsense I don't want to deal with. |
| 03:47.10 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | I intend to break those sites. |
| 03:47.13 | ryouma | "xpinstall.signatures.required to false." -- is it safe to disable sigs? |
| 03:47.35 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | ryouma: Not really, if you plan on getting new stuff, but what you already have installed doesn't change. |
| 03:47.50 | kanliot | if i install icecat, do i need to create a new mozilla profile, or sync it somehow? |
| 03:47.57 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | ryouma: Also, there's the question of whether or not Mozilla's stamp of approval is worht antyhing. |
| 03:48.02 | zellfaze | ryouma: I mean, probably not long term. |
| 03:48.07 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | kanliot: They use different dot directories. |
| 03:48.12 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | kanliot: You can copy and import a profile. |
| 03:48.24 | kanliot | ty Aurora_iz_kosmos |
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| 03:48.40 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | '.mozilla/icecat' is where it puts its stuff. |
| 03:49.15 | ryouma | Aurora_iz_kosmos: can i ensure that what i already have does not change? |
| 03:49.36 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | ryouma: Hm. Not sure. Presumably there's some global variable that prevents automatic extension updates. |
| 03:49.39 | aedinius | Aurora_iz_kosmos: well right now mozilla's not giving anything a stamp of approval... at least a working one. |
| 03:49.57 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | extensions.update.enabled |
| 03:50.20 | ryouma | so i set both tof alse? |
| 03:50.29 | zellfaze | Yeah |
| 03:50.31 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/how-to-turn-off-add-on-updates/ |
| 03:50.39 | ryouma | it does not inspire confidence in mozilla that they are shutting down irc channels and such |
| 03:50.48 | zellfaze | ryouma: They are? |
| 03:51.13 | ryouma | yeah, on freenode at least for a while and allegedly on mozilla server too |
| 03:51.35 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | I'm still using them solely out of laziness to migrate my bookmarks and stuff to icecat. |
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| 03:52.29 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/firefox.html (Not encouraging) |
| 03:52.48 | zellfaze | Yeah....... I didn't realize it phoned home anywhere near as much as that. |
| 03:53.37 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | It's kind of unfortunate given they're pretty much the only serious competition in town to the corporate alternatives *shivers* |
| 03:54.06 | zellfaze | Most folks I know still use Chrome.... *shivers with you* |
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| 03:58.13 | ryouma | Aurora_iz_kosmos: holy !@#$ |
| 03:58.41 | ryouma | i mean i knew it was bad but not that bad |
| 03:58.50 | aloo_shu | so there was _really_ no need to maintain icewaesel? |
| 03:59.20 | ryouma | it didn't have privacy, certificate, or extension differences, did it? |
| 03:59.30 | ryouma | it'd be great if it did |
| 03:59.37 | ryouma | (and ould be revived) |
| 03:59.40 | zellfaze | I believe it was pretty much an identical copy, just with some differences for Trademark reasons at the end. |
| 03:59.54 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Originally. Nowadays they strip out a lot of scrap. |
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| 04:01.15 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Ah wait, yeah. Iceweasel was a trademark dispute thing. |
| 04:01.39 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Icecat is GNU deciding that something is wrong the Internet. Thing is, they happen to be right. |
| 04:01.46 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | *on the Internet |
| 04:02.50 | aedinius | Internet is fine. Stop worrying. |
| 04:03.23 | aedinius | I got a spam message today with a link to lnstagramm.com |
| 04:03.43 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | I was referencing an xkcd joke, I know it's fine as a thing. |
| 04:04.10 | aedinius | Oh, I was making a joke, the internet is a scary place and many parts are not fine. |
| 04:04.12 | aloo_shu | zellfaze: ah ok. maintaining a real parallel fork of something so frenetically updated is hard anyway. that's where palemoon apparantly did the right thing, they don't attempt to apply a set of mods to each ff release, they really forked. and kept the old xul addonn compatibility |
| 04:05.15 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | GNU is maintaining a botnet `strip` script for Mozilla Firefox, essentially. |
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| 04:06.32 | ryouma | why is it not in debian? |
| 04:07.04 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | I'd bet either some GNU rivalry thing or simply no one has bothered to package it. |
| 04:07.06 | aedinius | which, palemoon? |
| 04:07.13 | ryouma | icecat |
| 04:07.18 | ryouma | or anything |
| 04:07.46 | ryouma | pale moon extensions will code rot right? |
| 04:07.48 | kanliot | it's in my debian |
| 04:07.49 | aloo_shu | I sometimes run a search for 'mozilla' in about:config, and replace all occurences with 'your mom', but I'm afraid that isn't enough. |
| 04:07.51 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Debian has some disagreements with GNU's documentation stuff and inability to modify it, which is what makes me think that may be involved. |
| 04:08.09 | kanliot | don't ask me how |
| 04:08.30 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | I think one could package it for non-free without issue anyway. |
| 04:08.43 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | (The fact GCC docs are non-free amuses me) |
| 04:09.09 | aedinius | gcc docs are non-free? |
| 04:09.28 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | aedinius: It's a license disagreement thing between Debian guidelines and GNU's. |
| 04:09.31 | ryouma | tar docs emacs docs ... |
| 04:09.32 | aedinius | oh. |
| 04:09.49 | aedinius | ah, I see |
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| 04:13.00 | aloo_shu | once someone here linked to a mailing lists post that summed up the discussion had and resolution taken (after years) regarding gnu document license |
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| 04:13.33 | dax | https://wiki.debian.org/GFDLHistory |
| 04:13.54 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | dax: Thanks |
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| 04:14.16 | in1t3r | Aurora_iz_kosmos, Aurora? Serbian Croatian? |
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| 04:15.31 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | in1t3r: From somewhere :) |
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| 04:18.51 | in1t3r | Well when its about documentation the best ways to license it is either by using the GFDL or by using creative commons. |
| 04:19.32 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | I don't have much of an opinion on the matter. Which likely has much to do with the fact I've never written documentation anywhere near as large. |
| 04:19.37 | in1t3r | Future internet is better far more decentralised. :D |
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| 04:20.09 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | But I'll agree that free documentation is a must. And decentralization is good. |
| 04:20.25 | zellfaze | in1t3r: When you go back to that future internet please take me with you. :( |
| 04:20.40 | dax | meh. GFDL with invariant sections is obviously non-free and i don't understand how people don't get that |
| 04:20.43 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | The current trends are disappointing. |
| 04:20.54 | dax | GFDL without invariant sections is stupid for documentation that's shorter than the text of GFDL |
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| 04:21.22 | aloo_shu | funny, a history that ends in 2003, but gets edited years after. the mailing list resume was more balanced, more topic centric, less person centric (painting RMS a moustache) |
| 04:22.43 | aloo_shu | moving gfdl docs to non-free is a sensible solution regardless |
| 04:22.47 | in1t3r | some federated ideas or ok but I do start developing some truly decentralised software independent of the "safe" and "solid" as networks still maybe interconnectable but far more focused on e2e and dht communication. |
| 04:22.58 | dax | (much like FSF used to say that GPL was silly for short programs and one should use MIT instead, but then they switched that text to Apache 2.0 which lost the point a bit since it's notably longer) |
| 04:23.23 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | in1t3r: I'm hoping Gnunet works out, it has some fairly interesting ideas. |
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| 04:49.34 | uptick | quick question regarding stable. i am interested in it, but what do you guys do about browser not being up to date? |
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| 04:51.28 | annadane | i just download firefox from mozilla's site and extract it to the home directory, it auto updates |
| 04:51.30 | ryouma | it gets esr and gets updated duirectly |
| 04:52.03 | ryouma | if you want more than esr then yah like annadane. i don't think there is a getter packge. |
| 04:52.05 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | uptick: Security updates are backported into security repo updates. |
| 04:52.45 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | New Functionality is well, not stable's domain. |
| 04:54.46 | ryouma | there is or was a getter package for a recent emacs. and there is torbrowser-launcher for udk what reasons. |
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| 04:57.06 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Someone felt like packaging it and it was found to be stable. |
| 04:57.22 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | There doesn't really need to be much more reason. |
| 04:57.36 | uptick | thanks guys |
| 04:57.57 | annadane | more recent emacs? really? |
| 04:58.27 | ryouma | annadane: i forgot the package name, but yeah, it pulled dev emacs or something |
| 05:01.02 | indomitable | I never understood why people liked emacs |
| 05:01.04 | indomitable | it's just so confusing |
| 05:02.11 | uptick | is anyone running sid? i'm kind of torn. there is this one software that i would like to be more updated (which sid offers), but to go sid just for that. i don't know haha. i'm already using arch, but i kind of want to switch my desktop to debian for the stability |
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| 05:02.54 | annadane | uptick, which software? |
| 05:03.57 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | uptick: You can add testing repos to your apt configs and pin them so they don't get pulled automatically. |
| 05:04.23 | uptick | https://packages.debian.org/sid/supercollider |
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| 05:09.12 | craigevil | !simple sid backport |
| 05:09.12 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 05:10.48 | ryouma | check bckports first |
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| 05:12.24 | uptick | i see. thank! |
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| 05:24.47 | Guest46463 | im having trouble. i can browse the web but when i try browsing software nothing shows up. keys in keyring ignored as file is not readable by user "_apt" executing apt-key. think this has happened b4 but forgot fix |
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| 05:39.55 | zellfaze | Update on the Firefox issue: Bugzilla says for user-facing updates to check Twitter (https://twitter.com/mozamo) and for official updates/statuses on the issue to check Discourse (https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/certificate-issue-causing-add-ons-to-be-disabled-or-fail-to-install/39047) |
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| 05:56.12 | goobs | Hi! Can someone please help me set up logging in with Putty using keyfiles instead of a conventional password? |
| 05:56.24 | goobs | I'm using OpenSSH that Stretch came with. |
| 05:56.41 | goobs | I generated keys on both sides but I don't know what to do with them after that. lol |
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| 06:01.15 | indistylo_ | What is correct order? of this ? 1.route , 2.access point, 3.switches, 4.server(the laptop), 5.modem, Is 5 > 1>3 >2>4 correct order |
| 06:01.16 | n1ce | I don't remember, but there are many guides out there |
| 06:02.32 | indistylo_ | What is correct order of network flow? of this ? 1.route , 2.access point, 3.switches, 4.server(the laptop), 5.modem, Is 5 > 1>3 >2>4 correct order |
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| 06:03.06 | n1ce | I can't help with routing, no f* idea |
| 06:03.14 | n1ce | I was talking to goobs |
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| 06:04.09 | goobs | all i can find are just how to generate pairs. |
| 06:04.13 | goobs | Got that down pat. |
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| 06:04.23 | goobs | how do I use these keys is the real question. |
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| 06:05.12 | n1ce | https://www.linode.com/docs/security/authentication/use-public-key-authentication-with-ssh/ first google result |
| 06:05.19 | n1ce | I would try it |
| 06:05.20 | goobs | yep |
| 06:05.22 | goobs | did you read that? |
| 06:05.36 | n1ce | nope, what's the problem? |
| 06:05.36 | goobs | because it doesn't talk about using putty, it's about using their private ssh client. |
| 06:05.46 | n1ce | aha, sorry |
| 06:05.49 | goobs | unless it's way far down in the article. |
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| 06:06.00 | goobs | most of them are like that because they're from hosts themselves. |
| 06:06.06 | goobs | Sorry, I should have been more clear. <3 |
| 06:06.08 | n1ce | you have to put your keyfile in putty, search a little |
| 06:06.12 | goobs | I just want to be "secure" |
| 06:06.25 | cheapie | goobs: Scroll down to the PuTTY section :P |
| 06:06.43 | Guest46463 | can i repost an earlier question or is that frowned on? |
| 06:06.48 | goobs | go for it |
| 06:07.06 | Guest46463 | keys in keyring ignored as file is not readable by user "_apt" executing apt-key. dunno what to do here |
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| 06:07.56 | n1ce | to remove keyring passwd rm -r /home/user/.local/share/keyrings |
| 06:08.31 | n1ce | with root or sudo |
| 06:08.35 | Guest46463 | then what |
| 06:08.48 | n1ce | then you create another password when asked |
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| 06:10.37 | Guest46463 | this is not a file that exists on my computer |
| 06:11.13 | Guest46463 | the file /home/user/.local/share/keyrings that is |
| 06:11.14 | n1ce | maybe we are talking about different keyrings |
| 06:11.34 | n1ce | I'm no debian expert |
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| 06:11.58 | Guest46463 | im having trouble seeing any software in the store |
| 06:12.04 | Guest46463 | if that helps |
| 06:12.17 | n1ce | what store? there is a store like ubuntu for debian? |
| 06:12.26 | n1ce | I use synaptic |
| 06:12.29 | cheapie | I assume they mean Synaptic or something. |
| 06:12.34 | Guest46463 | yeah the one that looks like a shopping bag |
| 06:12.41 | Guest46463 | no not synaptic |
| 06:12.49 | cheapie | ...are you sure you're using Debian? |
| 06:12.52 | Guest46463 | yes |
| 06:12.57 | n1ce | hehe +1 cheapie |
| 06:13.06 | Guest46463 | its called software center or something like that |
| 06:13.12 | n1ce | looks like you are using ubuntu |
| 06:13.19 | Guest46463 | it's a white shopping bag |
| 06:13.22 | Guest46463 | npo |
| 06:13.25 | Guest46463 | no |
| 06:13.29 | n1ce | ok |
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| 06:13.57 | Guest46463 | with a blue circle and nine white dots |
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| 06:14.01 | n1ce | apt update -y ; apt install synaptic -y |
| 06:14.14 | Guest46463 | i have synaptic already |
| 06:14.17 | n1ce | and forget the store |
| 06:14.34 | goobs | hey i should learn to ctrl+f eh? XD |
| 06:14.42 | goobs | okay, so I got it working on one sec. |
| 06:14.46 | goobs | one server.* |
| 06:15.05 | goobs | Do I just remove the password on root? |
| 06:15.13 | goobs | or just generate a crazy one |
| 06:15.14 | n1ce | Guest46463, please give the exact error that the store gives to you |
| 06:15.32 | n1ce | I'll search it for you |
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| 06:16.19 | n1ce | goobs, just change permit root login to no |
| 06:16.32 | n1ce | if you are talking about ssh |
| 06:16.45 | n1ce | but anyway make a strong passwd |
| 06:16.59 | n1ce | and install fail2ban |
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| 06:22.06 | zellfaze | Update on Firefox situation from Twitter: "The team is currently testing a fix for this issue. In the meantime, signing of new extensions is disabled until the fix is in place." |
| 06:22.11 | Guest46463 | sorry for afk. store doesnt give error, it's just blank. synaptic looks normal. im almost positive i've encountered this before. could be because I set up the OS without ethernet? |
| 06:23.16 | n1ce | I didn't know debian had a "app store", let me search it |
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| 06:24.39 | Guest46463 | keys in keyring ignored as file /etc/apt/trusted.gpg is not readable by user "_apt" executing apt-key |
| 06:24.47 | zellfaze | n1ce: He might be using Apper. |
| 06:26.05 | n1ce | Copy and save /etc/apt/trusted.gpg under another name, maybe /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.wmittz. Then do: |
| 06:26.06 | n1ce | rm /etc/apt/trusted.gpg |
| 06:26.06 | n1ce | apt-key update |
| 06:26.24 | n1ce | second google result, hope it helps |
| 06:26.42 | Guest46463 | i tried that already :{ |
| 06:26.51 | n1ce | :/ |
| 06:27.20 | n1ce | what debian version did you install? |
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| 06:28.04 | Guest46463 | 9.9.0 |
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| 06:30.52 | n1ce | I'm reading that the cause is debian lost the public debian keys and modified /etc/apt/trusted.gpg with 600 permission rw- --- --- |
| 06:31.09 | n1ce | when the right thing is 644 rw- r-- r-- |
| 06:31.49 | n1ce | solutions: delete rm /etc/apt/trusted.gpg |
| 06:32.06 | n1ce | install the public key again, and reinstall debian-archive-keyring |
| 06:32.46 | n1ce | https://usuariodebian.blogspot.com/2017/07/problema-con-apt-y-trustedgpg.html |
| 06:32.53 | n1ce | It's in spanish |
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| 06:34.03 | Guest46463 | ..how do i do that? |
| 06:34.27 | Guest46463 | rm /etc/apt/trusted.gpg |
| 06:34.30 | Guest46463 | then what |
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| 06:39.29 | n1ce | nah, apt-key update |
| 06:39.36 | n1ce | but you already did that |
| 06:39.47 | n1ce | I'm looking for another solution |
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| 06:41.18 | n1ce | "Having read the third post of this thread ( http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=133569 ) gave me the idea of editing my source.list to only permit the CD I used to install Stretch as a repository and then uninstall and reinstall the package 'debian-archive-keyring'." |
| 06:41.34 | n1ce | hope it helps |
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| 06:43.13 | Guest46463 | i already formatted my install medium. any way to accomplish that without it? |
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| 06:43.26 | zellfaze | Firefox update from Twitter: "No ETA for the fix yet; we're waiting on test results before making decision." |
| 06:43.54 | n1ce | no idea sorry Guest46463, I'm no debian expert |
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| 06:46.26 | goobs | @n1ce thanks dude. |
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| 06:46.43 | goobs | all 4 servers are now keyed. |
| 06:46.47 | goobs | and fail2banned. |
| 06:46.50 | goobs | anything else? |
| 06:46.58 | n1ce | you're welcome |
| 06:47.21 | n1ce | just stick to the generated keys and you'll be safe |
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| 06:47.34 | goobs | Shall do. |
| 06:47.51 | zeug | goobs: I would put also PermitRootLogin without-password in sshd_config |
| 06:49.55 | goobs | lol gotta change ports too forgot to do that on 3 of 4 |
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| 06:51.23 | goobs | Do I need to uncomment #PubkeyAuthentication yes |
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| 06:52.58 | goobs | zeug |
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| 06:54.44 | jim | goobs, I think the defaults are commented |
| 06:56.35 | jim | goobs, if you want it to be no, copy that whole line, uncomment the copy, and set it to the value you want |
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| 07:02.05 | at0m | ,v netsurf |
| 07:02.06 | judd | Package: netsurf on amd64 -- jessie: 3.2+dfsg-2; stretch: 3.6-3.1; sid: 3.6-3.2 |
| 07:03.27 | at0m | goobs: fyi, changing ports doesn't add anything to security. it just helps to keep the logs clean |
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| 07:06.01 | Guest46463 | fixed itself with reboot. |
| 07:06.07 | Guest46463 | go figure |
| 07:07.19 | n1ce | hoho, congratulations |
| 07:07.55 | n1ce | BTW which is the name of the store you use? Just curious. |
| 07:08.00 | Guest46463 | thanks for your continuing support, everyone here is awesome and deserves a sindae |
| 07:08.03 | Guest46463 | sundae |
| 07:08.16 | n1ce | you're welcome |
| 07:08.20 | Guest46463 | umm its the one that comes with debian |
| 07:08.27 | Guest46463 | its just called software |
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| 07:08.58 | n1ce | aha, ok. didn't saw that ever |
| 07:09.05 | Guest46463 | nine white dots inside a big blue dot on a white shopping bag |
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| 07:17.46 | jim | !bat |
| 07:17.46 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 07:19.29 | jim | ok, I'm trying to backport alkimia from buster to stretch, the build log is: https://termbin.com/la35 |
| 07:19.41 | dutchfish | Someone said yesterday that apt is the new way. How can i show obselete packages with apt? instead of using aptitude? |
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| 07:20.56 | jim | that pastebin is the output of fakeroot debian/rules build |
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| 07:22.04 | jim | alkimia is not in stretch as far as I can tell |
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| 07:23.38 | jim | confirmed, apt-cache policy alkimia produces: N: Unable to locate package alkimia |
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| 07:24.47 | dutchfish | akimia is in testing https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/alkimia |
| 07:25.14 | dutchfish | alkimia* |
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| 07:37.05 | jim | dutchfish, yeah, trying to backport it to stretch |
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| 07:43.35 | dutchfish | jim, well if you can satisfy build-depends, sure |
| 07:44.14 | dutchfish | https://packages.debian.org/source/testing/alkimia |
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| 08:06.57 | uio | I just noticed today that my firefox add-ons have been disabled because they don't have the security signature...uBlock, Privacy Badger... Has anyone else run into this issue? Do I have to update firefox? |
| 08:08.09 | n1ce | changing the date back helps |
| 08:08.52 | n1ce | https://github.com/mozilla/addons/issues/978 |
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| 08:09.28 | jim | dutchfish, |
| 08:09.37 | uio | Apparently this is bigger issue:... https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/firefox-disabled-all-add-ons.255125/ |
| 08:09.42 | uio | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19823701 |
| 08:09.46 | n1ce | yup |
| 08:10.14 | jim | ,checkbackport alkimia |
| 08:10.15 | judd | Backporting package alkimia in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports. |
| 08:10.48 | uio | Would this be safe security wise : 'There's a workaround that involves going to about:config and setting xpinstall.signatures.required to false.' |
| 08:11.21 | jim | dutchfish, if this is the case, how can I get those build dependencies? |
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| 08:17.35 | uio | I just tried the workaround : 'going to about:config and setting xpinstall.signatures.required to false.' and it works instantly. But could this be a security issue to not require certs? |
| 08:17.58 | uio | Or maybe this is good reason to go back to IceWeasel? |
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| 08:18.27 | n1ce | I would switch to iceweasel or chromium |
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| 08:21.03 | uio | n1ce, I just did : apt install iceweasel, but it just opens firefox ESR... |
| 08:21.17 | uio | n1ce, With the same add-on issues. |
| 08:21.38 | n1ce | yeah, I'm using chromium, don't know much about iceweasel |
| 08:21.58 | n1ce | chromium has the same addons that chrome without the google spying |
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| 08:22.38 | n1ce | just disable chromium singing to not be bothered about it |
| 08:23.10 | n1ce | *sign-in |
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| 08:24.48 | n1ce | for no script search script blocker, for adblock you have the same I think that ff |
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| 08:25.22 | n1ce | for darker webs, dark reader, for saving pages save page we |
| 08:25.42 | n1ce | etc, all in chrome web store |
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| 08:31.07 | n1ce | sh*t, it happens with tor browser too obviously |
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| 08:33.23 | uio | n1ce, I don't see how disabling the required certs will be an issue, so I think I'll do that for now. I'm far to warry of Chromium to use it much. |
| 08:33.49 | n1ce | pretty fair |
| 08:33.58 | pie3 | how to find all iso or image or raw files in computer using commands? |
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| 08:35.34 | n1ce | pie3, find / -iname *.iso |
| 08:35.35 | zeug | find / -type f -name "*.iso" |
| 08:36.00 | n1ce | both are valid |
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| 08:44.57 | dutchfish | jim, dpkg-checkbuilddeps will show the dev packages needed and in what version |
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| 08:45.41 | dutchfish | jim, inside the root of source setup |
| 08:46.25 | dutchfish | jim, if all the deps are met, you can build the package with dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc |
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| 08:46.59 | dutchfish | jim, for your source that will result in 2 library packages |
| 08:47.36 | dutchfish | jim, sorry for my late reaction i was afk for a while |
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| 09:06.42 | jim | dutchfish, no big deal... people get busy, have things to do, and don't necessarily have all their fun in front of their computer |
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| 09:09.33 | jim | dutchfish, dpkg-checkbuilddeps gives no output |
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| 09:11.17 | dutchfish | jim, you need to run that inside the right place of your source setup; either it will state what your are missing or no ouput if all have been satisfied. |
| 09:11.34 | dutchfish | jim, it has a verbose option too |
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| 09:13.22 | dutchfish | jim, you can also take a look in your debian/control file |
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| 09:13.33 | jim | dutchfish, verbose, good hint. and, I ran it in the dir where there exists the 'debian' dir |
| 09:14.02 | dutchfish | jim, i believe you need to run it in the root of your souce dir (iow 1 dir up) |
| 09:14.14 | dutchfish | source* |
| 09:14.39 | jim | so, not -in- the debian dir, but just outside? |
| 09:14.51 | dutchfish | jim, yes, 1 dir up |
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| 09:15.03 | jim | that's where i ran it |
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| 09:15.29 | dutchfish | jim, let me recheck, a sec |
| 09:16.40 | jim | so I can do an 'ls' in the dir I'm in, and there will be the 'debian' dir, with its rules and control file |
| 09:17.02 | dutchfish | jim, look at the build-depends in here https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/a/alkimia/control-7.0.2-2 |
| 09:17.22 | jim | that's the same dir I would run debian/rules build (and etc) |
| 09:18.21 | jim | the build deps aren't listed on a single line, so I ignored the other lines.... |
| 09:18.30 | jim | thanks, let's try that |
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| 09:20.03 | dutchfish | jim, you run it inside the root of the source dir, if it gives no output you have met all deps. If you run it in the wrong dir it will throw this at you: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: cannot read debian/control: No such file or directory |
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| 09:20.50 | jim | dutchfish, ok... still there are deps I missed |
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| 09:21.12 | pie3 | anyone with/used/tried/know qemu? |
| 09:21.47 | dutchfish | jim, and for your info, it builds fine on my machine (just checked it) |
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| 09:23.35 | dutchfish | jim, check this https://paste.debian.net/1081422/ |
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| 09:25.47 | jim | dutchfish, and are you running stretch? |
| 09:26.10 | dutchfish | jim, nope, testing. But the drill is the same. |
| 09:26.36 | jim | that could be the difference |
| 09:27.16 | jim | and yes I understand the drill/commands/what dir to be in will be the same |
| 09:27.34 | dutchfish | jim, no. If you have the developertools installed (see: new maintainerguide) and the correct dev packages needed to build it, it should work. |
| 09:28.05 | dutchfish | jim, same on stable |
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| 09:28.32 | jim | shouldn't build-deps get all the necessary build tools? (debhelper, compiler, all libs, and program needed) |
| 09:28.50 | jim | another difference is you have doxygen installed, I don't |
| 09:28.58 | dutchfish | jim, if not paste the output of the build to debian pastebin, so i can give it a peak whats wrong. |
| 09:29.46 | jim | build log is: https://termbin.com/la35 |
| 09:29.51 | dutchfish | jim, yes, you need all as explained in the new maintainers guide, specially latest version of debhelper |
| 09:30.26 | jim | I had to go with the debhelper that must have come from stretch-backports |
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| 09:30.30 | dutchfish | jim, yup, MPIR and doxygen missing |
| 09:30.46 | jim | you didn't have mpir either |
| 09:31.47 | jim | so the two differences are... you're running buster, I'm running stretch... and, I don't have doxygen, you do |
| 09:31.49 | dutchfish | jim, yes, i see that now. Doxygen is mandatory however, possibly MPIR is not |
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| 09:32.08 | jim | ok, I'll install that... |
| 09:32.15 | jim | ,v doxygen |
| 09:32.16 | judd | Package: doxygen on amd64 -- jessie: 1.8.8-5; stretch: 1.8.13-4+b1; buster: 1.8.13-10; sid: 1.8.13-10 |
| 09:33.13 | dutchfish | jim, for doxygen you prolly get away with the one from stable |
| 09:33.32 | jim | yeah, I'm thinking that too... so it's installing now |
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| 09:35.13 | dutchfish | jim, one pittfall you might encounter on installtime for that package is deps. for the runtime dpenedecies. But apt-get is clever enough to warn you in front. |
| 09:35.41 | dutchfish | jim, good luck |
| 09:36.16 | dutchfish | jim, i ment not apt-get but the dpkg -i |
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| 09:36.31 | dutchfish | jim, since you are rolling your own build |
| 09:36.50 | jim | still getting an error with doxygen, want to see the build log? |
| 09:37.01 | dutchfish | jim, sure, why not |
| 09:37.49 | jim | https://termbin.com/7yxt |
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| 09:38.56 | jim | if the error is not any different, then maybe I'll find someone running stretch, and have him do the build |
| 09:39.15 | dutchfish | jim, it errors out with 1 - appstreamtest (Failed) |
| 09:39.36 | jim | that test has always been failing |
| 09:40.02 | dutchfish | jim, i think you need to install a newer debhelper, as i told you before |
| 09:40.28 | jim | I have 12.something now, the build deps say it needs at least 11 |
| 09:40.41 | dutchfish | jim, on all the backports i do i actually use dephelper from testing/sid |
| 09:40.44 | jim | the one in stretch is 10 |
| 09:40.53 | dutchfish | jim, right |
| 09:40.56 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:41.33 | jim | , v debhelper |
| 09:41.34 | judd | Package: debhelper on amd64 -- jessie: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-security: 9.20150101+deb8u2; stretch: 10.2.5; stretch-backports: 12.1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 12.1.1; sid: 12.1.1 |
| 09:42.16 | jim | Version: 12.1.1~bpo9+1 |
| 09:42.17 | dutchfish | jim, you could use debhelper from backports |
| 09:42.29 | jim | that;s what I am doing |
| 09:42.39 | dutchfish | jim, that is less intrusive, prolly |
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| 09:44.00 | jim | stretch-backports: 12.1.1~bpo9+1 <-- the one I'm running :) |
| 09:44.11 | dutchfish | jim, last thought on it, can you check if you really have /usr/share/ECM/kde-modules/appstreamtest.cmake present and whats in it? |
| 09:45.05 | jim | it exists, |
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| 09:45.23 | jim | one sec |
| 09:45.36 | dutchfish | jim, since cmake complains about it as in: file failed to open |
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| 09:46.07 | jim | really, one sec |
| 09:46.35 | dutchfish | jim, might also be a rights issue, i assume you do the dpkg-buildpackage as a normal user (never build as root) |
| 09:46.51 | jim | /usr/share/ECM/kde-modules/appstreamtest.cmake: https://termbin.com/7yxt |
| 09:47.40 | dutchfish | jim, is that the right lnk you give last? |
| 09:47.58 | jim | I don't think so, it looks more like the build log |
| 09:48.06 | dutchfish | exactly |
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| 09:48.48 | jim | yeah, I see what I did |
| 09:49.00 | jim | it's this: https://termbin.com/lupd |
| 09:49.37 | dutchfish | jim, it is incorrect |
| 09:49.49 | jim | it is? |
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| 09:50.15 | jim | so that's another difference |
| 09:50.35 | dutchfish | jim, yes, this is what it should look like http://paste.debian.net/1081425/ |
| 09:51.18 | dutchfish | jim, that might be due, to the difference of kde |
| 09:51.39 | dutchfish | jim, of so, that counts as a dependecy bug |
| 09:52.27 | dutchfish | jim, is this a clean debian stable install? |
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| 09:53.54 | jim | it should be, I had to reinstall about 2-3 weeks ago |
| 09:54.02 | dutchfish | ok |
| 09:54.23 | jim | but it may or may not be so clean |
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| 09:55.28 | dutchfish | jim, mm... you have to work down dependecy lane, like figuring out, which version of kde is needed to run this on for this file: /usr/share/ECM/kde-modules/appstreamtest.cmake |
| 09:55.59 | dutchfish | jim, let me check |
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| 09:56.37 | dutchfish | jim, that file gets installed by extra-cmake-modules |
| 09:56.46 | jim | let me see if replacing that file has any effect (and thanks so much for hanging) |
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| 09:57.07 | jim | I installed that package recently, like a half hour ago |
| 09:57.09 | dutchfish | jim, save a backup, you need it prolly later on! |
| 09:57.20 | jim | yep of course |
| 09:57.25 | dutchfish | ;) |
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| 09:58.21 | dutchfish | jim, so we found a depency bug for extra-cmake-modules in that packages which you try to build |
| 09:59.39 | dutchfish | ,v extra-cmake-modules |
| 09:59.40 | judd | Package: extra-cmake-modules on amd64 -- stretch: 5.28.0-1; buster: 5.54.0-1; sid: 5.54.0-1 |
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| 10:01.00 | jim | in my copy of the appstreamtest.cmake file, do you see an extra, or missing, endif()? |
| 10:01.32 | jim | I ran a diff, it takes away an endif but doesn't put it back |
| 10:01.41 | dutchfish | jim, well, endif() is at the last line in your paste, if that is what you are asking? |
| 10:02.09 | jim | one sec :) |
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| 10:02.53 | dutchfish | jim, one remark, normally i dont do this drill through irc, but it is quiet now, no harm done. |
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| 10:04.44 | jim | yep I'm aware we're being pretty noizey |
| 10:04.55 | dutchfish | np for now |
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| 10:16.10 | dutchfish | jim, well, i investigated some further, it is not a bug, because there is already a dependecy for cmake which on its turn demands the right version for extra-cmake-modules. |
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| 10:17.10 | dutchfish | jim, or at least it should |
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| 10:22.42 | jim | the difference in the cmake file turned out to be a while if ... else ... endif |
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| 10:25.36 | dutchfish | oh ok, did you finish the build now? |
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| 10:28.12 | jim | dutchfish, it made debs! |
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| 10:28.35 | dutchfish | jim, ok, my time is up now, have fun! |
| 10:29.05 | jim | thanks so much :) |
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| 10:29.13 | dutchfish | jim, yw :) |
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| 11:04.18 | qqz | whereto the devil is deb-src installing sources into? |
| 11:05.26 | BCMM | qqz: current directory |
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| 11:06.30 | qqz | damn |
| 11:06.40 | qqz | I have run that pretty much time ago |
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| 11:07.06 | BCMM | qqz: see `man apt-get`. the "source" action is described in the DESCRIPTION section. |
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| 11:29.30 | tomreyn | could someone do me a favor and check whether their firefox 66.0.1 (unstable) or 60.6.1 (testing/stable) has, at about:config , this set to 'true'? app.normandy.enabled |
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| 11:30.51 | lbr | tomreyn, in 60.6.1esr it's `true` by default. |
| 11:31.38 | tomreyn | thanks, lbr. it's how mozilla are now shipping their extended lifetime intermediary certificate for addon signing. |
| 11:31.51 | tomreyn | i'm not too happy with this enabled by default: https://mozilla.github.io/normandy/ |
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| 11:32.57 | lbr | tomreyn, neither am I, that's why it is disabled in my user profile. |
| 11:33.12 | tomreyn | :) i only learnt about it today. |
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| 11:33.25 | tomreyn | i like software which has well-defined states and where the user opts in to updates. |
| 11:33.37 | tomreyn | or update channels |
| 11:34.15 | stefanc` | didn't know about this "normandy" push update feature until the addons cert expiration today ... |
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| 11:34.51 | stefanc` | indeed, I don't remember opting into a command and control push update from mozilla |
| 11:35.33 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. To anyone who uses Firefox, they have a major bug. |
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| 11:37.03 | stefanc_diff | Indeed they do, a intermediate cert expiration used to verify all addons locally , see here for details: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548973 |
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| 11:40.29 | humpled | oh the /run subdirectory ownership issues that stopped me using screen or mpd in jessie have been fixed :) thanks Debian people! |
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| 11:43.30 | netriber | Hello, maybe this is a stupid question, but why is exim the default mail system from debian? |
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| 11:46.30 | EdePopede | netriber: i can imagine it has to do with sendmail.cf. even my first linux book warned about it. |
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| 11:46.44 | BCMM | netriber: https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/DefaultMTA |
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| 11:50.15 | netriber | EdePopede, how come? |
| 11:50.41 | netriber | BCMM, will read, just copying my .mozilla directory from another host ... :) |
| 11:51.55 | cadburn2 | i just looked at my server and it ran out of space on the SSD, i found that the syslog and kernel.log are around 17G and 12G big, i cant open them since i'm out of space, i'm moving them to the storage drive at the moment, any idea what could cause it? |
| 11:52.01 | EdePopede | netriber: seems to be a horrible monster. while i was reading it i had only dialup connection and gave up to try setting up a MTA at the point where i was told to use the machine's FQDN. |
| 11:52.58 | BCMM | i think it's pretty much accepted that nobody wants to use the real sendmail if they can avoid it. seems like the argument is "keep exim, or move to postfix", right? |
| 11:56.32 | netriber | I have some exim4 boxes at work and couldn't figure out how to set the relayhost directive. I changed it but nothing happened |
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| 11:58.49 | Lady_Aleena | Well, until Firefox fixes it problem, I will switch to Chromium, though I can't stand it. |
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| 12:04.03 | RoyK | cadburn2: if you don't need them, just run "truncate -s 0 filename" as zipping the file won't work when it's full |
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| 12:04.23 | RoyK | cadburn2: then fix your logrotate or just find out what's filling up your logs ;) |
| 12:04.23 | Lady_Aleena | is heartbroken that Firefox is broken, because Chromium doesn't seem to like me. |
| 12:04.42 | RoyK | Lady_Aleena: what's broken in ff? |
| 12:04.51 | EdePopede | they missed a cert update |
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| 12:05.00 | EdePopede | so all addons are deactivated |
| 12:05.06 | RoyK | ah |
| 12:05.09 | RoyK | oops |
| 12:05.15 | EdePopede | armagadd-on 2.0 |
| 12:05.23 | Lady_Aleena | RoyK, a LOT of add-ons are broken and not working. |
| 12:05.31 | RoyK | I can guess |
| 12:05.39 | EdePopede | workaround: install dev edition |
| 12:05.48 | EdePopede | is the debian version also affected? |
| 12:06.39 | milkt | Lady_Aleena: there is a workaround that involves going to about:config and setting xpinstall.signatures.required to false, but restore it after mozilla updates it |
| 12:06.50 | cadburn2 | debian 9 is ESR version which allows disabling addon signing |
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| 12:08.23 | tomreyn | lbr: in case you'd like to file a bug against firefox in debian (i don't use it currently), you could refer to ubuntu bug 1827717 |
| 12:09.03 | RoyK | it must be some pretty nasty bugs they have fixed in that release when they haven't rolled back yet |
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| 12:09.43 | EdePopede | milkt: the setting has no effect after whatever version. tried with nightly and then grabbed dev, where it works. |
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| 12:20.35 | BCMM | RoyK: it's not a firefox release that broke extensions. it's a certificate expiry date. |
| 12:20.44 | BCMM | so going back to the previous FF release wouldn't fix anything |
| 12:21.22 | RoyK | oh - which certificate? |
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| 12:21.51 | ksk | a intermediate used by mozilla for signing extensions. see the internet. |
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| 12:23.05 | RoyK | ksk: "see the internet" is local slang for "I don't have any details, it's just what I've heard, google it yourself, I can't be bothered to document anything I say" |
| 12:23.10 | Lady_Aleena | milkt, I did as you suggested since Chromium Version 57.0.2987.98 Built on 8.7, running on Debian 8.11 (64-bit) can't seem to display my website correctly and I can't handle it. |
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| 12:25.28 | fnasken | anyone here that's good with ufw? |
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| 12:25.35 | fnasken | who's* |
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| 12:26.50 | ksk | RoyK: thats kinda assuming on your side. feel free to google though :) |
| 12:26.58 | BCMM | RoyK: mozilla has a (now mandatory) signing system for firefox extensions. the cert they used to sign them expired. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548973 |
| 12:27.01 | fnasken | To vpnip:port on tun0 ALLOW IN From Anywhere .. i want it to read ALLOW IN from Anywhere on tun0.. how do i do that? |
| 12:28.06 | BCMM | RoyK: on Firefox ESR (i.e. debian stable) you can still turn extension verification off. on the latest firefox, you're just stuck unless you run dev edition. |
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| 12:31.18 | RoyK | BCMM: I hope they get these certs replaced, then - or is it on the plugin side they're wrong? |
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| 12:34.55 | Lady_Aleena | Would someone with a version of Chromium better than Version 57.0.2987.98 please go to http://fantasy.xecu.net/Fandom/Xanth/Characters.pl and take a screen shot, post it so I can see what it looks like? I need to know which version of Chromium that page (and maybe my whole site) looks correct in. I now know it looks okay in 74.0.3729.131, but I would like to go backward a little to see when Chromium fixed whatever issue it had that makes |
| 12:34.55 | Lady_Aleena | my site look bad. |
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| 12:45.25 | ksk | Lady_Aleena: does not realy seem scope of this channel. there is no chromium in debian last time I checked ;) |
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| 12:46.11 | ksk | oh nvm, there is. not sure about the version though. |
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| 12:46.45 | Lady_Aleena | ksk, this is a Debian issue since Debian only installs old versions of software. |
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| 12:48.04 | Lady_Aleena | Some of those versions are no longer supported by the various communities. Like my version of KDE is no longer supported by KDE. |
| 12:48.25 | ksk | I get your point, but will you get your screenshots? |
| 12:48.41 | Lady_Aleena | ksk, I don't know. |
| 12:49.51 | GNU\colossus | Lady_Aleena, check out https://www.browserling.com/ |
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| 12:54.26 | Lady_Aleena | cries. It is not fixed until version 70. |
| 12:57.30 | Lady_Aleena | Thank you GNU\colossus for pointing me to that site. |
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| 12:57.57 | GNU\colossus | you're welcome; I hope you can sort out the rendering problem on your website :) |
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| 12:58.55 | Lady_Aleena | GNU\colossus, not likely unless someone comes out with a way to make all versions of all browsers follow the recommendations of the W3C. |
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| 13:00.47 | Lady_Aleena | What version of Chromium is on the current stable? |
| 13:02.22 | GNU\colossus | ,v chromium |
| 13:02.23 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 70.0.3538.110-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; buster: 73.0.3683.75-1; sid: 74.0.3729.108-1 |
| 13:03.01 | Lady_Aleena | So, it would look correct if I had stretch. |
| 13:03.31 | GNU\colossus | I'd assume so. |
| 13:04.29 | Lady_Aleena | This channel needs a web page with an explanation of things like ",v package" and whatever else judd and other bots do. |
| 13:05.21 | tw | I love that you didn't need to restart the application for the addon check to fail and get disabled. It just turned them off regardless. |
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| 13:05.44 | EdePopede | seconds this. "the #debian bot family" |
| 13:06.21 | Lady_Aleena | I'll be back in about 5 or so minutes. |
| 13:06.32 | EdePopede | Lady_Aleena: "help" in the query is a start though |
| 13:06.51 | EdePopede | only i have no clue how to get a module list for judd |
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| 13:19.23 | Lady_Aleena | "help" is what query? |
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| 13:21.27 | Lady_Aleena | s/is/in/; |
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| 13:24.47 | Soni | why do linux distros sign their packages with GPG instead of x509? (as they've been doing for the past 30 years or something) |
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| 13:26.20 | tw | because x509 relies on central authority and pgp is web of trust. Also because asn.1 is a s*&#fest to implement correctly. |
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| 13:27.48 | ksk | Lady_Aleena: /query judd help |
| 13:28.01 | ksk | (or whatever triggeres a private message in your client) |
| 13:28.12 | Lady_Aleena | ksk, oh. |
| 13:28.24 | Lady_Aleena | ksk, /msg |
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| 13:30.30 | Lady_Aleena | Firefox really ruined my morning. |
| 13:32.26 | ksk | not only yours. Imagine you were using the tor-browser and didnt notice the "no JS" addon is gone :D |
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| 13:33.43 | Lady_Aleena | I've been seeing Tor being mentioned in a few places. I'd never heard of it before today. |
| 13:34.48 | ksk | !tell Lady_Aleena about tor |
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| 13:35.16 | Lady_Aleena | ksk, I've got +g on. |
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| 13:35.49 | Lady_Aleena | If '!tell' sends a private message. |
| 13:37.32 | OerHeks | ksk, Wait until it's past midnight on 2019-05-04 UTC. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548973 |
| 13:37.35 | OerHeks | grinn |
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| 13:42.55 | Soni | tw: nobody uses pgp web of trust tho |
| 13:43.16 | Soni | well, maybe debian does, but other linux distros just have an "keyring" package or similar ime |
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| 13:43.41 | Soni | which basically makes it no different from using certs? |
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| 13:45.36 | Soni | as I just found out, even debian just has a keyring |
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| 14:05.19 | kinky_nekoboi | whats going on with no signed firefox addons in debian buster ? |
| 14:05.26 | kinky_nekoboi | whats going on with not signed firefox addons in debian buster ? |
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| 14:07.09 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | kinky_nekoboi: Mozilla screwed up. |
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| 14:08.18 | kinky_nekoboi | thats really nasty pre buster release when firefox hits you with warnings |
| 14:08.27 | Lady_Aleena | Someone should change the topic to "Firefox screwed up, it's not our fault!" |
| 14:08.52 | kinky_nekoboi | any about:config hack to disable signature checking |
| 14:09.56 | OerHeks | Wait until it's past midnight on 2019-05-04 UTC. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548973 |
| 14:10.01 | Lady_Aleena | kinky_nekoboi, milkt suggested to set xpinstall.signatures.required to false. |
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| 14:10.26 | Lady_Aleena | I did it and got my addons back. |
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| 14:14.03 | kinky_nekoboi | Lady_Aleena, ah ok thanks, but so i can also just wait as it seems to be an signing/time issue ? |
| 14:14.35 | Lady_Aleena | kinky_nekoboi, if you can handle using Firebox without the addons. |
| 14:16.01 | Lady_Aleena | couldn't deal with Firefox without the addons she has come to depend on. |
| 14:16.13 | terravires | hi all, I'm having trouble installing modsecurity2 on apache2/debian 9.9. Getting: https://pastebin.com/XEwaM25j Seems to be same bug that ubuntu has: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/modsecurity-apache/+bug/1775167 the listed workaround didn't work of course. :) Any help? |
| 14:17.31 | terravires | also, I checked for the file, it's a bad sym link to /usr/share/modsecurity/<optional dir missing> |
| 14:18.09 | kinky_nekoboi | Lady_Aleena, oook noscript works again :3 |
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| 14:37.12 | terravires | other than fixing modsecurity issue, does anyone have other recommendations (also have fail2ban setup) for dealing with an active botnet attack on my system? |
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| 14:45.04 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Load-balancing? |
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| 15:04.10 | rexxnor | What is the correct way to pass the available choices to a debconf multiselect template in the config script? |
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| 15:22.34 | RoyK | rexxnor: using ansible :D |
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| 15:22.56 | RoyK | rexxnor: that is - I don't know the answer to your question, I just answered what I'd do |
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| 15:25.54 | bleach | how does one find an older version of a package? |
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| 15:27.49 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/firefox-esr There's some versions on the tracker stuff. |
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| 15:37.34 | bleach | I appears that if there is an upgrade by the security team, you will always get their version irrespective of what version you select! |
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| 15:38.58 | wr | how can i make debian reinstall all packages? some apt-get install --reinstall | dpkg -L ? |
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| 15:39.13 | nkuttler | wr: why do you want to do that? |
| 15:39.27 | nkuttler | !tell bleach about archive |
| 15:39.30 | nkuttler | !tell bleach about snapshot |
| 15:39.41 | wr | nkuttler, because wanna check system |
| 15:39.43 | Lady_Aleena | I can't remember if, before I do a dist upgrade, I need to worry about upgrade holding packages back from installation. Right now it is holding back firmware-linux-nonfree libfreerdp-cache1.1 libfreerdp-client1.1 libfreerdp-core1.1 libfreerdp-gdi1.1 linux-headers-amd64 linux-image-amd64 python-reportbug reportbug. Should I know why those are being held back? |
| 15:39.53 | nkuttler | wr: i don't understand |
| 15:39.55 | n4dir | and if at all then the other way around, but you will need apt-get -y (yes to all questions), might be you will need xargs |
| 15:40.10 | n4dir | in general i agree that it is a weird idea though. |
| 15:40.29 | wr | nkuttler, why do you need to understand? just wanna do it |
| 15:40.48 | nkuttler | !xy |
| 15:40.49 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
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| 15:41.26 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: are you on testing/sid? |
| 15:41.40 | Lady_Aleena | nkuttler, Jessie |
| 15:41.58 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: mmh, did you switch your sources to the archive? |
| 15:42.18 | Lady_Aleena | nkuttler, not yet. I am not to that point. |
| 15:42.44 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: well jessie is not on the mirrors any more.. who knows how that breaks stuff.. |
| 15:43.13 | Lady_Aleena | So the packages being held back may not be available? |
| 15:43.25 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: nothing is available |
| 15:43.46 | nkuttler | dunno, or maybe security packages are still up. either way, add archive sources |
| 15:43.59 | wr | nkuttler, i wanna reinstall them on my vm |
| 15:44.33 | Lady_Aleena | I just upgraded several packages. ghostscript gstreamer0.10-alsa gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer1.0-plugins-base gstreamer1.0-x libgs9 libgs9-common libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 libgudev-1.0-0 libjasper1 libpam-systemd libsmbclient libsystemd0 libudev1 libwbclient0 libxslt1.1 samba-libs systemd systemd-sysv udev wget |
| 15:45.19 | jmcnaught | nkuttler: Lady_Aleena: jessie is not moved to archive yet, that's wheezy. jessie is still supported by LTS for another year. |
| 15:45.34 | jmcnaught | jessie-updates and jessie-backports are gone |
| 15:45.53 | nkuttler | !jessie |
| 15:45.54 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, I think I already took them out of my sources.list |
| 15:45.54 | dpkg | Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25. Security support ended 2018-05-17, repos removed from mirrors around 2019-03-24, except for <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <jessie release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Last point release was <8.11>. |
| 15:46.01 | nkuttler | then this factoid is wrong |
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| 15:46.14 | wr | nkuttler, by the way on that xy i'm sure |
| 15:46.48 | Lady_Aleena | nkuttler, see http://paste.debian.net/1081455/ |
| 15:46.51 | nkuttler | lts doesn't have the full set of packages anyway, does it? |
| 15:47.48 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: apt policy reportbug |
| 15:48.04 | Lady_Aleena | nkuttler, for what? |
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| 15:52.04 | Lady_Aleena | I'm not sure what bug I'm reporting. |
| 15:52.58 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: no, type that command and paste output on paste.debian.net |
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| 15:54.36 | Lady_Aleena | nkuttler, no need 'E: Invalid operation policy' |
| 15:55.45 | Lady_Aleena | nkuttler, I tried with and without sudo. |
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| 16:03.28 | rant | should I use cifs as the fstype for mounting samba shares from a buster host in stretch? |
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| 16:03.48 | StyXman | I'm being hit by the cert bug for firefox, the solution for the moment is to enable telemetry and study participation, but those are greyed out, even in a new fresh profile. any ideas? this is ffox 66.0.1-1 from debian sid |
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| 16:04.40 | rant | StyXman: you're in the wrong channel. connect to irc.oftc.net or irc.debian.org and join #debian-next |
| 16:04.42 | Lady_Aleena | StyXman, a lot of people are having that problem. |
| 16:04.57 | StyXman | rant: ack |
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| 16:05.12 | zellfaze | StyXman: There is a workaround |
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| 16:05.34 | rant | shrugs |
| 16:05.38 | zellfaze | xpinstall.signatures.required needs to be set to false. |
| 16:05.42 | zellfaze | In about::config |
| 16:05.52 | StyXman | zellfaze: let me try that |
| 16:06.22 | zellfaze | On Firefox ESR at least it should disable the certificate check that is failing |
| 16:06.37 | jmcnaught | remember to turn that back on after |
| 16:06.49 | StyXman | zellfaze: yeah, that worked, thanks |
| 16:07.03 | StyXman | jmcnaught: good point |
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| 16:07.08 | StyXman | thanks guys |
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| 16:07.15 | [itchyjunk] | StyXman, what was the answer? |
| 16:07.32 | StyXman | [itchyjunk]: I'm reporting back in #ffox |
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| 16:08.02 | la_mettrie | trying to enable firefox's studies in order to bypass extension bug, that preferences page has a note: "Data reporting is disabled for this build configuration". what to do? |
| 16:08.49 | zellfaze | There is a workaround involving setting xpinstall.signatures.required to false in about:config. It will disable the failing certificate check. Make sure to turn it back on after this whole issue is resolved. |
| 16:08.59 | zellfaze | It will get your addons working for the moment though. |
| 16:09.09 | [itchyjunk] | Is this posted on some link that i can link people to? :x |
| 16:09.40 | zellfaze | I originally read it in the Bugzilla page. |
| 16:09.49 | zellfaze | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548973 |
| 16:09.53 | [itchyjunk] | ah okay thanks |
| 16:09.57 | zellfaze | The Tor Bugzilla page puts it more prominently. |
| 16:10.03 | zellfaze | https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/30388 |
| 16:11.54 | rant | dpkg ff cert bug is <reply>set xpinstall.signatures.required to false in about::config |
| 16:11.55 | dpkg | rant: okay |
| 16:11.59 | rant | et voila |
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| 16:12.47 | zellfaze | rant: I don't spend much time here usually. What did you just have the dpkg bot do? |
| 16:13.07 | rant | zellfaze: remember a factoid |
| 16:13.18 | rant | dpkg, what is ff cert bug? |
| 16:13.19 | dpkg | set xpinstall.signatures.required to false in about::config |
| 16:13.30 | zellfaze | Awesome |
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| 16:14.15 | nkuttler | dpkg: ff cert bug is also https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548973 |
| 16:14.15 | dpkg | nkuttler: okay |
| 16:14.31 | nkuttler | zellfaze: i recommend against doing that. runs unverified/signed code.. |
| 16:14.56 | zellfaze | nkuttler: It is a temporary work around. Beats browsing the web without a condom. |
| 16:15.19 | nkuttler | there is a less stupid workaround in that ticket |
| 16:15.55 | [itchyjunk] | wow bot is fancy |
| 16:15.59 | rant | !ff cert bug =~ s/set/A dirty hack allowing unverified signed code is to set/ |
| 16:15.59 | dpkg | rant: OK |
| 16:16.03 | zellfaze | The Studies thing didn't work for everyone. |
| 16:16.14 | [itchyjunk] | guess i'll redirect debian users with issues here rather than answer in #firefox |
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| 16:16.25 | nkuttler | [itchyjunk]: nah |
| 16:16.30 | rant | !ff cert bug |
| 16:16.31 | dpkg | A dirty hack allowing unverified signed code is to set xpinstall.signatures.required to false in about::config, or https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548973 |
| 16:16.43 | rant | thats better I suppose |
| 16:16.51 | nkuttler | rant: agreed |
| 16:16.53 | zellfaze | Yeah. No complaints from me. |
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| 16:17.13 | zellfaze | But for real nkuttler, what is the better workaround. I didn't see it in there. I must have missed it. |
| 16:17.29 | nkuttler | it's not better, just less permissive. enabling studies |
| 16:17.39 | nkuttler | if you have *disabled* them in the first place, which is not the default |
| 16:18.04 | [itchyjunk] | well for debian, user seems to be unable to enable it |
| 16:18.10 | zellfaze | nkuttler: That is disabled for debian users |
| 16:18.10 | [itchyjunk] | it's grayed out |
| 16:18.22 | rant | ,find smbmount |
| 16:18.23 | [itchyjunk] | so something distro specific |
| 16:18.27 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 16:18.28 | nkuttler | it is? eh.. i disabled them on my own anyway |
| 16:18.43 | nkuttler | i don't want mozilla to install spy/adware on my browser.. |
| 16:18.45 | [itchyjunk] | it's grayed out so not toggleable |
| 16:18.54 | la_mettrie | where is about? |
| 16:19.06 | nkuttler | la_mettrie: in the url bar, type about:config |
| 16:19.26 | rant | so, to reiterate my earlier question, I was adding some samba shares I have here on a buster box to fstab, and cifs says wrong fstype, bad option..etc and smbfs wont work because I dont have smbmount.. any suggestions here? |
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| 16:22.16 | rant | https://termbin.com/vfqdk |
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| 16:24.08 | joy__ | hello everyone |
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| 16:24.23 | joy__ | i got a problem with my hdmi |
| 16:24.33 | rant | I'm sorry to hear that |
| 16:24.40 | rant | is it so fast it has gone plaid? |
| 16:25.06 | joy__ | but i don't think that in my laptop there is ndivia hardware as it costed only 174 € |
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| 16:25.45 | rant | thanks for sharing.. could you maybe get to the question part.. :D |
| 16:26.05 | joy__ | how do i detect the hdmi in my laptop (lspci doesn't show it it shows only my VGA which is correctly installed) |
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| 16:26.36 | joy__ | hi rant |
| 16:26.40 | rant | lspci would not show either the VGA or the HDMI, those are PORTS it only shows the actual graphics adapter attached to the pci bus |
| 16:26.49 | joy__ | i don't understand everything you say |
| 16:26.59 | joy__ | oh |
| 16:27.04 | joy__ | right |
| 16:27.10 | joy__ | xrandr |
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| 16:27.16 | joy__ | one moment |
| 16:27.16 | rant | yes |
| 16:27.44 | bleach | Edu4rdSHL: What does one do if that link doesn't work? I just get a page with, what I believe, is the cert text. |
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| 16:28.05 | joy__ | 1366x768 0.00 |
| 16:28.07 | joy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.09 | joy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.36 | joy__ | one other moment |
| 16:28.44 | rant | joy__: (xrandr;lspci -knn;lsusb;dmesg|grep firmware)|nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 16:29.21 | joy__ | https://paste.gnome.org/pzf5b101o |
| 16:29.39 | joy__ | just an other moment |
| 16:29.49 | rant | you are just full of useless information :D |
| 16:30.33 | joy__ | https://paste.gnome.org/prnw94kya |
| 16:30.57 | joy__ | this is the output of the command done with the user |
| 16:31.07 | joy__ | now i run it with root privileges |
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| 16:32.30 | joy__ | https://paste.gnome.org/phiqnl0jy |
| 16:32.49 | joy__ | done |
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| 16:33.03 | joy__ | i look at the output |
| 16:33.05 | rant | you are missing the graphics firmware |
| 16:33.38 | rant | I have a thin client here with an AMD G-series SoC which has the Radeon R2E and without the firmware the graphics works but you cannot do multihead or hdmi audio or such |
| 16:33.57 | rant | joy__: do you have non-free sources enabled? |
| 16:34.12 | a__pi | line 78-79 joy__ |
| 16:34.18 | joy__ | yes i think so but i have ro check |
| 16:34.30 | rant | you need to install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 16:34.38 | a__pi | no |
| 16:34.40 | rant | you're missing firmware for several devices in your system |
| 16:34.46 | a__pi | https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=stoney_pfp.bin&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
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| 16:35.25 | rant | a__pi: I'm well aware of the package for amd graphics.. as I said I have a machine with similar.. |
| 16:35.36 | rant | the point is, this is not the ONLY device they have missing firmware |
| 16:35.45 | joy__ | ok |
| 16:35.50 | rant | therefore its easier to just say install the metapackage pulling in all firmware |
| 16:35.51 | joy__ | registered... |
| 16:36.17 | rant | its not like its gonna take up much space or bandwidth |
| 16:36.22 | zellfaze | I usually just pull in the metapackage anyways. I find it easier than hunting down the individual one I need. |
| 16:36.29 | zellfaze | And the convenience is worth it for me. |
| 16:36.31 | joy__ | do i make an apt install firmwarename or do i have to set manualli to lib/firmware? |
| 16:36.42 | zellfaze | apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 16:36.42 | rant | joy__: apt install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 16:36.50 | zellfaze | Go with rant's |
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| 16:38.54 | zellfaze | BTW, rant I'm sorry I don't know the answer to your Samba question from earlier. You seem like a helpful person and I wish I could have been more helpful in return. |
| 16:39.04 | joy__ | ok it installed some things and the Warning possible missing firmware: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8107e-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 16:39.11 | rant | zellfaze: _I_ should know the answer to it :P |
| 16:39.26 | rant | personally I'm just about to say fuggit and use nfs instead |
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| 16:39.46 | zellfaze | Couldn't blame you. |
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| 16:40.19 | rant | joy__: you may consider enabling backports and trying the backports kernel and firmware if you are on stretch |
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| 16:40.36 | joy__ | how do i check if the firmware is installed? |
| 16:41.03 | joy__ | enabling backport?ù |
| 16:41.16 | joy__ | it doesn't sound so good what do you mean?ù |
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| 16:43.08 | joy__ | https://paste.gnome.org/poxiabtkf |
| 16:43.24 | joy__ | this is the new output of the command you gave me |
| 16:43.33 | joy__ | with xrandr and dmesg |
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| 16:43.35 | joy__ | but |
| 16:44.16 | joy__ | i'm a bit confused, for the wifi i had to put all the drivers in one directory and modprobe the module |
| 16:44.20 | joy__ | and now |
| 16:44.31 | joy__ | shouldn't i do the same thing? |
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| 16:44.36 | joy__ | shall i try my hdmi? |
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| 16:45.07 | zellfaze | joy__: The package we just had you install should have done modprobe and the like for you (hopefully) |
| 16:45.18 | joy__ | great |
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| 16:45.31 | zellfaze | Backport is features from the next version of Debian that get "backported" into the current version |
| 16:45.57 | joy__ | :O |
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| 16:46.08 | zellfaze | goes back to lurking |
| 16:46.35 | joy__ | rant? |
| 16:46.43 | joy__ | the hdmi is not working yet |
| 16:46.48 | joy__ | should i reboot? |
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| 16:47.05 | joy__ | rant: ? |
| 16:47.11 | zellfaze | Probably not a terrible idea. |
| 16:47.34 | zellfaze | doesn't know enough to be able to help you a lot here. |
| 16:47.48 | joy__ | yes in the output of the firmware installation there was something about reboot and installation |
| 16:47.49 | a__pi | reboot to load the firmwares |
| 16:48.07 | joy__ | so see you later guyz... |
| 16:48.16 | joy__ | thank for the help! |
| 16:48.23 | joy__ | thanks...* |
| 16:49.00 | Lady_Aleena | Well, hubby just suggested that I buy a new hard drive to install Stretch on and forget about even trying to configure the current one to do a dist upgrade. I did the same thing between Wheezy and Jessie. The only problem is that I lost my saved emails and a few configuration files I did not know I needed. So, now I'm torn between a dist upgrade or just getting a new hard drive. |
| 16:50.08 | jmcnaught | why not both? |
| 16:50.16 | rant | Lady_Aleena: only you can say what'd be less stressful :P |
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| 16:50.41 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, I would need to dist upgrade when freshly installing Stretch. |
| 16:50.41 | rant | I'm torn on getting this damn samba setup to mount these shares when I connect to home network or just switching to nfs personally |
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| 16:51.10 | Lady_Aleena | s/would need/would not need/; |
| 16:51.16 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: you can get the new drive, copy old drive contents to new drive, do the upgrade, if it fails you still have original drive |
| 16:51.51 | rant | Lady_Aleena: is it a laptop or desktop? |
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| 16:51.53 | EdePopede | or only copy over $HOME and the other stuff, like /var/mail |
| 16:53.09 | Lady_Aleena | desktop |
| 16:53.17 | rant | Lady_Aleena: are you in the US? |
| 16:54.48 | Lady_Aleena | EdePopede, last time I did that, I lost email. |
| 16:54.48 | Lady_Aleena | rant, yes. |
| 16:55.29 | rant | Lady_Aleena: I bought two of these back in Feb, one came whitelabel as the ad suggested, but the other had original label, they are HGST Ultrastar 7K4000 drives https://www.ebay.com/itm/WL-3TB-64MB-Cache-SATA-6-0Gb-s-3-5-Desktop-Hard-Drive-with-1-Year-Warranty/150855240377 |
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| 16:55.46 | rant | Lady_Aleena: can't beat the price.. I got $10 off on them which made it even better |
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| 16:56.48 | rant | 3TB 7200rpm disks, brand new for under $50 is a good deal :D |
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| 16:56.54 | EdePopede | Lady_Aleena: how this? right after installing the new system i login as root and start putting the first things into place, which includes some of the basic things for the user i don't even want to start without. |
| 16:56.57 | rant | free shipping no less |
| 16:57.13 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, the problem with copying the old drive onto the new, is the old might have problems that would make life harder. |
| 16:57.18 | nojake | hi. netstat lists of sockets which is a bit scary. from what i get processes use those to communicate with each other? can i somehow plot a list of processes associated with sockets? |
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| 16:58.37 | ksk | nojake: not that I know of (could totally be) - but netstat (-an for example) lists ports - you can use them to determine which service these sockets relate to |
| 16:58.57 | Lady_Aleena | EdePopede, the list of absolute "must haves" is long. Music must work, perl must work, apache2 must work, Firefox must work, geany must work, hexchat must work, and much more. |
| 16:59.46 | rant | nojake: it doesnt just show unix sockets, also shows network sockets.. I normally take my pants off :P netstat -pant but if you want unix sockets keep your pants on and just lose the pan.. -pan :P |
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| 17:00.24 | rant | the -p is the part that shows the pid/program name |
| 17:00.27 | ksk | nojake: use for example "lsof -ni" to check which service listens to wich port/socket |
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| 17:00.47 | nojake | lol..occasionallly for sure. ok. let's start with that.. :) |
| 17:01.25 | ksk | rant: mhhm, that seems also only to show the listening socket, not like the PID of every connection to eg a webserver if Im not mistaken? |
| 17:01.49 | EdePopede | Lady_Aleena: you mean settings in $HOME and /etc? i always backup this stuff and after install i go through it. though i take my time with this step, it is an opportunity to make things up straighter than they used to be. as for hexchat i cleaned up scripts and installed a dark theme without messing around with individual colors first |
| 17:02.04 | nojake | pid is cool already. but for the sockets its a 'inode' .. what is that |
| 17:02.30 | rant | ksk: no it shows them all, thats the whole point of the -a |
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| 17:02.50 | nojake | generally: can i somehow use a column as a key to combine two tables? |
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| 17:03.08 | nojake | like in sql or so |
| 17:03.15 | nojake | if u get what i mean |
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| 17:03.34 | ksk | ah yeah you are right, thanks. |
| 17:03.36 | nojake | im sorry im not fluid with the jargon |
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| 17:04.16 | ksk | on linux you most likely start with using a shell, and shellscripts, mostly bash. |
| 17:04.39 | rant | ksk: the lsof though is a good one.. they both show different info.. lsof shows the IP protocol version and user, and node type but doesnt show the socket file if applicable |
| 17:04.43 | ksk | better rephrase your question to what you really want to get out of where, so we can give advice for that. |
| 17:05.26 | ksk | yeah, its the "is this nice service up and running" shortcut ;) |
| 17:05.27 | nojake | yes yes. just read between the lines. i would be happy just to know any approach .. not exactly what i asked..just how you go about it .. |
| 17:05.34 | a__pi | ss -putan -> netstat is deprecated |
| 17:05.38 | nojake | @best in command form |
| 17:06.03 | ksk | a__pi: I heard lsof is, too? could you help me out with a replacment? :D |
| 17:06.24 | nojake | i know no commands. i knew lsof -i .. netstat -tulpn .. ifconfig .. well.. ip r |
| 17:06.33 | nojake | i think this is it. |
| 17:07.10 | nojake | i used lsof -U and it was overwhelming :d |
| 17:07.12 | ksk | a__pi: is just suggesting to go with ss over netstat, as netstat is deprecated (will not be support in some future) |
| 17:07.53 | nojake | i remember having seen something with /proc directory or so.. is this where processes are listed? |
| 17:07.57 | Lady_Aleena | EdePopede, all of those things listed make any change of environment terrifying. |
| 17:08.33 | nojake | a__pi, thx. okay. |
| 17:09.13 | nojake | nice. |
| 17:09.22 | ksk | nojake: man hier (search for proc). short answer: yes, but you dont really need to care for now, as there are tools (like ss, netstat, top etc) that get information via /proc and give them to you nice and clean |
| 17:09.35 | nojake | ok cool. |
| 17:09.48 | nojake | that's exactly that kind of guidance thanks. |
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| 17:11.23 | ksk | !tel nojake about debian handbook |
| 17:11.28 | ksk | !tell nojake about debian handbook |
| 17:11.47 | ksk | you might wanna take a look at the handbook, too. "dpkg", a bot, should have messaged you. |
| 17:13.22 | nojake | alright. maybe i'll explain my anxieties coming from windows and which is sth i would like to understand as soon as possible in linux: in windows processes hack other processes . (kinda) .. there's priviliges in like 10 layers and sometimes things mask other things etc etc.. for instance. i would like to isolate the browser. the browser should be able to write to some download directory .. and i guess it needs to open some dialogues from the |
| 17:13.22 | nojake | desktop system. but it can get hairy quickly |
| 17:13.37 | nojake | at least in windows. |
| 17:14.07 | nojake | yeah. i guess a handbook would do good. |
| 17:14.23 | ksk | nojake: use a browser in a (virtualbox, linux) virtual machine. or trust linux, and the browser, like probably most in here do. |
| 17:14.34 | nojake | you mean 'the handbook'? |
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| 17:15.00 | ksk | the debian handbook, take a look if there is another window in your chat client, labled "dpkg" |
| 17:15.02 | a__pi | nojake for the browser thing use firejail |
| 17:15.22 | nojake | ah,.. thanks. |
| 17:15.36 | nojake | oki. :) |
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| 17:25.19 | Lady_Aleena | I'm getting nowhere right now, so I'm going afk. |
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| 17:37.43 | uio | So is that serious security nono to download directly from https://yt-dl.org/?? |
| 17:37.51 | uio | (this was moved from offtopic...) |
| 17:38.29 | jmcnaught | uio: if you trust them, it's okay. did you try the youtube-dl from stretch-backports? |
| 17:38.55 | uio | jmcnaught: No I haven't tried the backports, how can I do so? |
| 17:39.20 | uio | jmcnaught: Will this break something? |
| 17:39.55 | jmcnaught | if you have backports enabled, then "apt-get -t stretch-backports install youtube-dl" see also: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 17:48.02 | n_1-c_k | For me, the youtube-dl from stretch-backports stopped working a few weeks or so ago. |
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| 17:51.29 | uio | thanks jmcnaught But I couldn't get it to work.... Trying another solution from offtopic... |
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| 17:58.41 | ksk | n_1-c_k: youtube changes things a lot, not sure how fast this package gets updated in debian. |
| 18:00.00 | n_1-c_k | Yes. Just tried the package from unstable and that's working for me in stretch. |
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| 18:06.00 | Sekyourbox | does dvd1.iso come with open ssl? |
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| 18:07.02 | nkuttler | !dvd contents |
| 18:07.02 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/). |
| 18:07.14 | nkuttler | Sekyourbox: seems like a safe bet |
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| 18:08.30 | Sekyourbox | aolserver4 |
| 18:08.33 | Sekyourbox | wth??? |
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| 18:09.11 | Sekyourbox | I want aol2.5 100000 free hours please |
| 18:09.33 | Sekyourbox | Why did they include a bunch of AOL CDs in disk 1? |
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| 18:12.16 | RoyK | Sekyourbox: just mount the cd/dvd and run find |
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| 18:22.28 | Sekyourbox | thx for the quick replies |
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| 18:27.08 | leoo | Hi |
| 18:27.33 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | nojake: Isolating program access rights is one of those things you can do with AppArmor. |
| 18:28.20 | nojake | Aurora_iz_kosmos, also thanks! |
| 18:28.29 | leoo | Hi |
| 18:28.33 | leoo | Im new |
| 18:28.49 | leoo | Can someone help me? |
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| 18:30.11 | mtn | !ask |
| 18:30.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 18:54.16 | shibboleth | anyone care to recommend a lightweight IDE? must be in debian repos, shall not make automatic network connections, should not have 100+ dependencies |
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| 18:55.10 | oiaohm | shibboleth: and I guess you are not look for an answer like vim |
| 18:55.26 | shibboleth | def not vim :) |
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| 18:55.40 | OerHeks | an IDE that makes automatic network connections? |
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| 18:56.11 | nkuttler | OerHeks: plugins and stuff.. pretty normal |
| 18:56.27 | GSock14 | !phoenix |
| 18:56.27 | dpkg | From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages are now available for both jessie and sid; Firefox in Debian <stable> follows the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For the latest versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>. |
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| 19:09.34 | humpled | i'm more of a vim user than an IDE person but seems geany is kind of in between |
| 19:10.02 | RoyK | sounds like cross-breed |
| 19:10.07 | RoyK | :D |
| 19:10.18 | humpled | has quite a lot of features but is not too complicated is all i mean |
| 19:11.10 | RoyK | I guess the one that knows all of vim features by heart is locked up in a high-security mental hospital somewhere :) |
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| 19:11.52 | humpled | has a function/object sidebar as well as file/package browser, log, console, markdown viewer |
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| 19:12.25 | humpled | compiles and runs java or c at a click just because i already had gcc and jdk |
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| 19:14.06 | RoyK | humpled: which editor/ide is this? |
| 19:14.19 | humpled | geany |
| 19:14.33 | shibboleth | looked at that |
| 19:14.53 | shibboleth | atom seems nice, but the GH integration makes it a no-go |
| 19:14.56 | shibboleth | also, msft |
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| 19:17.06 | rant | anyone have a clue on executing a script on network-manager connect? I read the manual at https://developer.gnome.org/NetworkManager/unstable/NetworkManager.html and the /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/up.d/ didnt exist so I created it.. and the script in ../post-down.d/ (which dir already existed) works when I disconnect but the one in ../up.d/ doesnt |
| 19:18.26 | rant | I have a script /usr/local/sbin/autocifs that is a simple case $1 in kinda deal that gets called with mount or unmount to mount/unmount my shares and I made two scripts that check the iface and connection UUID and if I'm connected to any of the 4 AP on my home network, it should auto mount/unmount my shares |
| 19:19.06 | rant | that manual doesnt mention specifically where up scripts go.. it only says the dir name for pre- dirs |
| 19:19.16 | rant | obviously the mount cannot take place pre- anything |
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| 19:20.54 | jhutchins | rant: You could use autofs. |
| 19:21.22 | rant | jhutchins: this will mount samba shares only if I'm on my home network? |
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| 19:22.21 | jhutchins | rant: Autofs mounts network shares on attempted access. It does not test for a network connection, but is an effective way of managing mounts. |
| 19:23.03 | jhutchins | rant: It unmounts the share after an idle time out, and avoids the problems of an intermittent connection by only mounting when asked. |
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| 19:23.49 | rant | yeah idk that this is what I want.. |
| 19:23.57 | rant | this is more specifically what I got right now |
| 19:23.59 | rant | http://paste.debian.net/plain/1081483 |
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| 19:24.47 | rant | it works to unmount the shares when I disconnect |
| 19:24.58 | rant | but its not mounting them when I connect |
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| 19:25.31 | rant | jhutchins: do you have any idea how this autofs behaves if connection is suddenly lost or what it does if attempted access is made and its not available? |
| 19:25.54 | rant | cause in my experience systems can become quite a PITA when samba shares are not available |
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| 19:26.09 | rant | this is why I wanted a method that made sure I was connected |
| 19:26.20 | rant | and cleaned up when I disconnected |
| 19:26.56 | rant | I also like this approach cause if I bind mount.. I can cleanup that crap just by modifying my autocifs script |
| 19:27.19 | rant | like if I were to say bind a dir in my homedir to a samba share |
| 19:27.39 | rant | I doubt this kinda crap would be easy with autofs |
| 19:27.51 | jhutchins | rant: The advantage of autofs if a connection is dropped is that you have a good chance that's nothing's using it. If it drops while a process is accessing it, the process will either hang or time out. |
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| 19:28.21 | rant | yes I dont want any race conditions, excess power draw, spewed error logs or such |
| 19:29.06 | jhutchins | Nope, lost mount is just a hung process. You might get a hung CPU if it's locked in an I/O operation. |
| 19:29.19 | rant | this is ALMOST working here.. its just a matter of hooking the proper "up" thing in n-m |
| 19:29.36 | rant | idk wtf the manual says where pre- shit goes and not where up/down go |
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| 19:30.04 | jhutchins | rant: Yeah, well, anything completely documented in Linux is also deprecated and obsolete. |
| 19:30.12 | rant | heh |
| 19:30.19 | rant | https://developer.gnome.org/NetworkManager/unstable/NetworkManager.html |
| 19:30.32 | rant | seriously.. notice every *pre* event says where its scripts go |
| 19:30.38 | rant | but the actual events dont |
| 19:30.53 | rant | I just assumed it was similar convention |
| 19:30.59 | rant | and created an ../up.d/ |
| 19:31.04 | rant | but thats not doing it :D |
| 19:32.07 | rant | unless all the others just go in no-wait.d/ |
| 19:32.22 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Given Mozilla's "fix" depends on their "Studies", what's Debian going to do instead? |
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| 19:34.05 | OerHeks | UTC 00:00 it should be fixed, Aurora_iz_kosmos , some media claim it is already solved |
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| 19:34.21 | OerHeks | so, Debian does nothing? |
| 19:35.03 | petn-randall | I'm sure there's a bug report in the Debian BTS where you can track the issue. |
| 19:36.24 | OerHeks | .. update will happen in the background, no active steps needed .. https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2019/05/04/update-regarding-add-ons-in-firefox/ |
| 19:36.45 | OerHeks | note: There are a number of work-arounds being discussed in the community. These are not recommended as they may conflict with fixes we are deploying |
| 19:37.06 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | OerHeks: Yes. The "fix" requires studies. |
| 19:37.14 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | OerHeks: Debian's is compiled without that. |
| 19:37.36 | rant | !ff cert bug |
| 19:37.36 | dpkg | A dirty hack allowing unverified signed code is to set xpinstall.signatures.required to false in about::config, or https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548973, or https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=928417 |
| 19:38.01 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | I'm aware but would like a clean hack instead. |
| 19:38.23 | rant | I'd like to be a billionaire.. |
| 19:38.35 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | rant: One of these things is far easier to do. |
| 19:38.38 | rant | that factoid was just created by me this morning, and amended twice.. |
| 19:38.50 | rant | so therefore.. thats the extent of the info this channel has to offer |
| 19:38.54 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | rant: And one of them isn't a complete nonsequitur. |
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| 19:39.34 | rant | this issue doesnt affect the scope of this channel as far as I can tell to begin with |
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| 19:40.02 | rant | as this channel supports debian stable which to best of my knowledge isnt yet dealing with such an issue |
| 19:40.12 | OerHeks | you will find many fixes, but they are not recommended. |
| 19:40.12 | jhutchins | OerHeks: You seem to be under the false impression that "Debian" is something more than you and the work you're willing to contribute. |
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| 19:40.45 | OerHeks | jhutchins, we can do nothing about this certificate thingy |
| 19:40.50 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | rant: I am on debian stable on all my machines. |
| 19:41.06 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | (For those that run debian, at least) |
| 19:41.07 | jhutchins | OerHeks: Maybe you should ask for your money back. |
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| 19:41.59 | OerHeks | jhutchins, i just wait until it is over, and use an other browser |
| 19:42.05 | Monodroid | Me2, running debian on all my machines |
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| 19:48.22 | ngomes | hi ! any repository with latest nvidia drivers ? |
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| 19:49.17 | petn-randall | !nvidia |
| 19:49.17 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:49.22 | Piraty | oh boy, how can you guys live with apt auto-starting services of packages you install. today it's distcc that got enabled upon installation. what the heck |
| 19:50.37 | petn-randall | Piraty: Quite fine actually. Thanks for asking. |
| 19:51.00 | Piraty | seems invasive to me. |
| 19:51.22 | Piraty | petn-randall: thanks for answer, good to hear you like it |
| 19:51.35 | petn-randall | Piraty: You can always deactivate the service. Or disable startup after installation altogether. |
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| 19:52.11 | petn-randall | I don't recall the exact steps though, maybe someone else knows the details (or the right factoid). |
| 19:53.05 | Piraty | sure i can disable the service, since poetting still allows us to disable services via this nice piece of software. who knows how long though |
| 19:53.24 | Piraty | auto-enabling services at install time just seems like a weird default |
| 19:54.01 | petn-randall | !defaults |
| 19:54.01 | dpkg | People get very worried about what the "default" is for the desktop environment, pdf viewer, editor, init system, …. The reality is that whatever default is selected isn't really relevant as you have the ability to install new packages and customise your installation. Don't like gnome? then install kde-standard. Don't like systemd? then install sysvinit-core. Don't like nano? then install emacs. |
| 19:54.15 | ngomes | I'm asking for a proprietary nvidia-driver, the ones in testing are in 410.104 version , but newer versions are available. I'm aware of nvidia website installer, but trying to avoid because it's hard to update system without DKMS |
| 19:54.31 | petn-randall | ,v nvidia-driver |
| 19:54.32 | judd | Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 390.116-1; buster/non-free: 410.104-3; sid/non-free: 418.56-2 |
| 19:54.38 | Piraty | petn-randall: very helpful, thanks |
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| 19:54.51 | petn-randall | !next |
| 19:54.51 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 19:54.54 | ngomes | :D |
| 19:54.58 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | !previous |
| 19:55.02 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Awww... |
| 19:55.10 | petn-randall | ngomes: You can grab the one from sid I guess. |
| 19:55.34 | ngomes | petn-randall, I'm on MXlinux a debian derivate, need to find how to do it |
| 19:55.39 | petn-randall | Since you're tainting your kernel, it doesn't really matter which one you take. |
| 19:55.53 | petn-randall | ngomes: In that case disregard anything I said, and head off to: |
| 19:55.55 | petn-randall | !mxlinux |
| 19:55.55 | dpkg | Current MX Linux is based on Debian stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at https://mxlinux.org/. |
| 19:56.04 | ngomes | ok thanks |
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| 20:22.29 | rant | jhutchins: fwiw I found out that its done by /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/01ifupdown and it executes scripts via run-parts /etc/network/if-up.d/ which is odd that it uses that when it has its own directory |
| 20:23.05 | kreyren | Can you use dpkg to install package from sources.list? |
| 20:26.16 | rant | its especially odd cause if I'm not mistaken doing it this way it doesnt get the n-m env vars |
| 20:29.09 | rant | ah, well it DOES get the env vars but the scripts arent called with the same two arguments |
| 20:29.19 | rant | which is why its not working cause I have it checking for $1 and its not getting called with any args |
| 20:29.36 | rant | leave it to the damn gnome devs to do shit like this :D |
| 20:31.03 | rant | just changed $1 to $DEVICE_IFACE and its working now |
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| 20:43.15 | pikudoz | /4/5 |
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| 20:48.02 | __m4ch1n3__ | 1/2/3 |
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| 20:55.53 | Psi-Jack | Hmm, is there a package in Debian that adds an 'ssl-cert' system group? |
| 20:57.51 | tds | Psi-Jack: looks like the postinst script for the "ssl-cert" package does? ;) |
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| 20:59.30 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm. Interesting. Okay. Well, that's good enough for me. :) |
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| 21:00.36 | tds | you can see the script at /var/lib/dpkg/info/ssl-cert.postinst if you've got the package installed - looks like it's used as the group owner for some snakeoil certs or osmething |
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| 21:00.58 | Psi-Jack | Exactly. And shared access to certificates for servers, in many cases, too. |
| 21:01.05 | Psi-Jack | Well, cert keys anyway. |
| 21:02.13 | Psi-Jack | Working on salt states for provisioning stuff from bare minimums to deploy servers, generate certs, etc. |
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| 21:03.41 | tds | ahh |
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| 21:06.09 | Psi-Jack | Yeah. I had provisioned postgresql, but it wanted ssl keys to be secure or it refused to run. :) |
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| 21:06.10 | ngomes | 6 |
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| 21:13.27 | tomnor | my plugin privacy badger just dissapeared from firefox, why |
| 21:14.38 | humbot | !ff cert bug |
| 21:14.38 | dpkg | A dirty hack allowing unverified signed code is to set xpinstall.signatures.required to false in about::config, or https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548973, or https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=928417 |
| 21:14.44 | jmcnaught | tomnor: Mozilla let a certificate expired which was used for verifying add-ons, so when firefox tried to re-verify the add-on it failed |
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| 21:14.50 | humbot | erm, that |
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| 21:15.12 | tomnor | jmcnaught: thanks, what to do now? |
| 21:16.16 | jmcnaught | tomnor: personally i'm using chromium until a fix for firefox-esr package comes from Debian, there's a bug for firefox-esr about it: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=928415 |
| 21:16.28 | tomnor | thanks |
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| 21:32.36 | rant | so in re the issue I had with network manager earlier.. the documentation is networkmanager(8) and its got misleading and incomplete doc on this issue, how do I go about editing this manpage and getting it to the maintainer? |
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| 21:32.55 | rant | I've never edited a manpage before or filed for a change of documentation |
| 21:34.10 | rant | really I'd rather not change the documentation myself cause I'm not sure where to include this bit of information.. |
| 21:34.28 | rant | cause really HOW it works makes no real sense :D |
| 21:35.00 | rant | but I did manage to figure it out and this document wouldnt help anyone to do the same |
| 21:35.46 | tds | rant: looks like there's a #nm, some devs might be around in there? |
| 21:36.14 | tds | out of interest, what was the network-manager issue? |
| 21:36.19 | rant | tds: ah thanks I was looking for the right channel for them earlier and didnt figure it out |
| 21:37.23 | rant | tds: I got a thin client here acting as a file server and I have 4 AP on my home network, 2.4/5ghz and both repeated as well with range extender.. I wanted it to automount and unmount my shares if connected/disconnected from any of those 4 AP |
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| 21:40.21 | rant | tds: the section of networkmanager(8) that talks about Dispatcher scripts says where to put things for the various *pre* states but not the actual up,down type states.. and then says these scripts are called with two parameters.. well this is true for the *pre* states in /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/ but the other states are called by /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/01ifupdown which does run-parts on |
| 21:40.27 | rant | /etc/network/if-up.d/ and such where it DOESNT get those arguments |
| 21:40.53 | rant | its rather dumb some states are in NetworkManager's dir and others are in the ifupdown dir and called differently |
| 21:41.06 | rant | its nice for people using legacy scripts, sure.. |
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| 21:44.48 | rant | so ultimately what I ended up having that works is this here http://paste.debian.net/1081494/ |
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| 21:45.52 | rant | the /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/up.d/cifsmount is where I was led to believe it went based on networkmanager(8) |
| 21:45.59 | rant | that doesn't work :D |
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| 21:47.02 | kanliot | rant looks usable, but getting uuid of connections looks like a pain |
| 21:47.23 | rant | kanliot: na, just gotta type nmcli connection show |
| 21:47.55 | rant | I thought about using something more generic than the UUID but really the UUID is more stable as it insures those SPECIFIC network settings |
| 21:48.18 | kanliot | i take it systemd doesn't puke on smb mounts like it does on normal mounts and refuse to boot? |
| 21:48.57 | rant | and doing it this way allows me to edit the autocifs script if I wanna do more things like binding dirs to the shares or doing sync or additional shares or such.. |
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| 21:49.32 | rant | kanliot: well you just use noauto or noerror and use 0 for the dump/pass and no sort of init system will have an issue |
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| 21:49.58 | rant | kanliot: anything that is set to pass, auto, or error will be required |
| 21:50.26 | rant | in this case I just set them no noauto since they are brought up by network-manager on a conditional basis |
| 21:50.43 | kanliot | yeah i don't see pass or autio |
| 21:50.47 | rant | but if you want something auto but not to halt on it, you use noerror |
| 21:50.55 | kanliot | i do see the credentials file tho |
| 21:51.11 | rant | auto is implied and the dump/pass are the numbers at the end of any fstab line |
| 21:51.28 | rant | auto is default unless you say noauto |
| 21:51.37 | rant | just like error is default unless you say noerror |
| 21:51.59 | kanliot | ok :) can't complain about that one |
| 21:52.07 | rant | kanliot: yeah the credentials allows you to keep your user/pass info in a 600 perm file in your homedir |
| 21:52.22 | rant | safer that way |
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| 21:53.54 | rant | I'm slowly but surely getting a comfortable setup here.. |
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| 21:54.18 | rant | I put more effort into helpin other people do stuff than workin on my own setup :D |
| 21:54.55 | kanliot | i like sshfs. it's bloated but I don't have to worry about my shares moving around to different mountpoitns |
| 21:55.05 | kanliot | when i plug stuff in on the server |
| 21:55.54 | rant | yeah I used samba so it can be used by anyone on win/linux/android and figured using something else for me would just be a bit more involved |
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| 21:56.26 | kanliot | mainly i worry about bit-rot |
| 21:56.52 | rant | kanliot: can you elaborate more on that subject? cause I think I've actually seen this happen :D |
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| 21:57.16 | rant | though most the stuff I put on there so far I did over ssh or locally using cp |
| 21:57.26 | rant | but I did have a lot of files where the filenames got garbled |
| 21:57.49 | rant | I had a hell of a time figuring out what the files were to fix the names |
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| 21:58.49 | kanliot | I used to have tons of bit-rot on old IDE hard disks. |
| 21:59.26 | kanliot | and then TCP/ip only corrects errrors, you will get an error on a bad network cable every 4GB of data or so |
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| 21:59.56 | rant | I'd bought a wavlink 2bay usb 3.0 dock and two 3TB HGST Ultrastar 7k4000 3.5in sata hdd for it, and hooked it to this HP T520 Thin Client I have.. has done well so far as a nice lil home server |
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| 22:00.43 | kanliot | well, are you sure that filenames with non-latin characters aren't the problem? |
| 22:00.52 | rant | https://i.imgur.com/z8oJpCh.png |
| 22:01.04 | rant | it could've been but I doubt it... idk what happened really |
| 22:01.08 | kanliot | NTFS will get confused, i've never seen samba get confused, but it's possible |
| 22:01.22 | rant | certainly does NOT use NTFS :D |
| 22:01.30 | rant | all my disks are ext4 |
| 22:02.12 | kanliot | mint looks nice, but going to LXqt on sparkylinux is so keyboard friendly. |
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| 22:02.45 | dff | how would i go about to make a complete back up of a lvm layout? i want to ditch this system but still be able to make a full restore in case i missed some files i wanted to migrate |
| 22:02.56 | dff | searches just point me to snapshots |
| 22:03.39 | rant | well a standard dd type thing doesn't care what there is.. |
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| 22:06.52 | kanliot | dff google How to Backup LVM Configuration on Linux (vgcfgbackup & vgcfgrestore) |
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| 22:07.51 | kanliot | dff you might also ask in ##linux |
| 22:07.56 | dff | thanks |
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| 22:12.01 | rant | in my experience ##linux is one of the least constructive places on freenode :D |
| 22:12.27 | kanliot | rant one more thing. I like ext4's speed, but for huge directories of small file BTRfs is good at searching, even though it's horribly slow when deleting. |
| 22:12.50 | kanliot | it's been a while since i've spent time there |
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| 22:13.11 | rant | yeah I am not keen on experimenting with filesystems but I think I will test some others in the future when I have resources to spare |
| 22:13.27 | rant | cause there are a lot of them that may be better suited to some tasks I have in mind |
| 22:13.53 | kanliot | are you running raid? |
| 22:14.05 | rant | kanliot: you're joking right? |
| 22:14.19 | kanliot | cmon |
| 22:14.25 | rant | kanliot: I just told you I'm using a thin client with a USB 3.0 docking station |
| 22:14.44 | rant | I suppose if the dock had a raid controller.. |
| 22:14.52 | rant | but it doesnt |
| 22:15.03 | kanliot | honestly i don't have any assumptions about you |
| 22:15.08 | kanliot | software raid isn't hard |
| 22:15.30 | rant | jussayin.. you dont do raid on a fileserver that is an SoC accessing its drives over USB |
| 22:15.35 | kanliot | although it doesn't fix accidental deletions |
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| 22:15.51 | rant | unless as I said the USB is connected to a standalone HW raid |
| 22:16.17 | rant | sw raid over USB would just be a lil ridiculous |
| 22:16.27 | kanliot | you're talking about raid0 |
| 22:16.41 | kanliot | other raids sound fine |
| 22:17.01 | rant | 1,0,10 in sw would be the only options |
| 22:17.08 | rant | there are only two disks |
| 22:17.15 | kanliot | ok |
| 22:17.45 | rant | I just have them both with 1 3TB ext4 partition, nothing fancy |
| 22:18.00 | kanliot | that's fine |
| 22:18.00 | rant | I didnt want to involve raid or lvm cause this isnt a permanent setup |
| 22:18.34 | rant | and the only feature the dock DOES have is a standalone clone |
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| 22:18.53 | rant | so I figured I could backup the data easier if I kept them seperate |
| 22:19.08 | kanliot | well don't press that button. you might lose data |
| 22:19.11 | kanliot | hahaah |
| 22:19.21 | kanliot | the pretty clone button |
| 22:19.27 | rant | it wont do anything when connected to a computer |
| 22:19.34 | rant | it only clones when its not hooked to anythng |
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| 22:19.54 | kanliot | don't press that pretty button, just to test it out |
| 22:20.16 | rant | its a one touch backup button when its hooked to a computer |
| 22:20.27 | rant | and I dont have any software that'd listen to it |
| 22:21.17 | rant | I will say however having used it now both as a workstation and as a server, the HP T520 Thin Client works great in Debian |
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| 22:22.01 | rant | if you ever see em like I did being sold cheap, its worth it to have around :D |
| 22:22.35 | rant | I had gotten a T510 too, its mostly junk.. |
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| 22:23.40 | kanliot | i have an old server but it can't max out Gigabit ethernet. I'll probably try an old android tv box next. |
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| 22:24.02 | kanliot | i'm assuming the t520 is over $100 |
| 22:24.26 | rant | typically.. but sometimes you can find people getting rid of surplus crap and have nfc what they are |
| 22:25.51 | kanliot | oh, i looked it up, thats more like a pc than anything else |
| 22:26.05 | kanliot | i thought it was more like a docking station enclosure thing |
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| 22:28.28 | rant | na, its a passively cooled AMD G-Series SoC with Radeon R2E graphics supports up to two displays has 2 DP and 1 VGA, mine has 4GB ram and 8GB SSD, its a dual core amd64 at like 1.9ghz |
| 22:28.51 | rant | real portable and low power but has good performance and well supported hw |
| 22:28.59 | rant | even has usb3.0 |
| 22:31.57 | rant | you can often find them closer to the price of some of the pi boards and they're way more powerful |
| 22:32.36 | kanliot | yeah, it's good enough that i'm regretting buying this tv box |
| 22:32.48 | kanliot | i wonder if the tv box knows i hate it now. |
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| 22:38.38 | rant | heh |
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| 22:39.25 | rant | yeah well I'd bought and used an Orange Pi Lite for my only machine for awhile cause I was so broke and had nothing else.. then I got that thin client.. and it was great.. now I got a Lenovo T440 and just use the HP T520 thin client as a server |
| 22:39.33 | SanchoPensa | hey guys! |
| 22:39.39 | rant | but that T520 would make a great media center or such |
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| 22:39.51 | rant | and you can get em under $100 often enough |
| 22:40.49 | SanchoPensa | my firefox just disabled like ALL plugins. So, I wanted to do a apt-get upgrade, and on doing so, I noticed, that apt wanted to exchange just about each and every single driver on my device, like 25 firmware upgrades. Should I be worried? https://paste.debian.net/1081499/ |
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| 22:41.12 | Monodroid | Firefox has a problem with the certificate |
| 22:41.19 | Monodroid | We all have the problem |
| 22:41.35 | rant | !ff cert bug |
| 22:41.35 | dpkg | A dirty hack allowing unverified signed code is to set xpinstall.signatures.required to false in about::config, or https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548973, or https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=928417 |
| 22:42.17 | SanchoPensa | Monodroid: yes, it wants to exchange certificates too... and then some... base-files ca-certificates-java dns-root-data |
| 22:42.30 | rant | doesn't have the problem, cause uses chromium |
| 22:42.59 | guillaume_ | Hi! I'd need help for a new install of Debian. I don't see any wifi/ethernet card installed... And I don't know where to download the packages manually. Thanks for helping ;) |
| 22:43.00 | SanchoPensa | what worries me much more, is, that apt-get wants so swap like ALL system drivers... |
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| 22:44.22 | SanchoPensa | guillaume_: first, you need to determine, what devices you have installed, sudo lspci should help, or sudo lshw, in case you don't have them yet, you need to install them first, which could be kind of a challenge, if you have no ethernet AND wifi drivers... |
| 22:44.24 | dax | rant: that about::config should be about:config, if you have edit rights |
| 22:44.36 | rant | guillaume_: lspci -nn give the [1234:ABCD] portion of any devices that look like network interfaces |
| 22:44.57 | rant | dax: I just copied what someone else said.. are you certain of this? |
| 22:45.00 | dax | rant: yes |
| 22:45.11 | rant | dpkg, ff cert bug =~ s/::/:/ |
| 22:45.11 | dpkg | OK, rant |
| 22:45.28 | dax | ty |
| 22:45.30 | SanchoPensa | :D nice! |
| 22:45.33 | rant | dax: thats how its done fwiw, and you can do it |
| 22:45.51 | dax | ah okay, too used to factoid bots with accounts needed, i guess |
| 22:46.18 | rant | dax: yeah well ubuntu needs and account to report bugs.. we don't operate that way in the Debian community :D |
| 22:46.39 | SanchoPensa | rant: have you by chance any idea, where I can determine, whether those, like, 25 firmware upgrades are legit? |
| 22:47.07 | guillaume_ | Ok, lspci -nn says: 02:00.0 Network Controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:24fd] (rev 78) |
| 22:47.25 | rant | SanchoPensa: type them into apt policy package if its from an official debian mirror and doesnt complain about lacking a signature, then its probably valid |
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| 22:48.02 | SanchoPensa | guillaume_: is that device, that we are talking about the one, that you are talking to us right now? |
| 22:48.07 | rant | dpkg, what is debsums? |
| 22:48.07 | dpkg | debsums is a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files: "apt install debsums; debsums -a -s". Almost all packages come with md5sums included in the package or apt will have generated them for you; generate missing ones with "apt-get install --reinstall `debsums -l`". Ask me about <md5sums>. |
| 22:48.08 | SanchoPensa | from? |
| 22:49.01 | guillaume_ | I assume it is a network interface, isn't it ? |
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| 22:49.15 | SanchoPensa | rant: are those vulnerable to man in the middle attacks? i mean, somebody, like our ministery for interiour affairs could be acting as a mirror, couldn't they? not that I am involved in any criminal activities, only political ones? |
| 22:49.18 | rant | guillaume_: yes, it would appear so |
| 22:49.38 | rant | SanchoPensa: they would need the private keys of a debian maintainer to sign them |
| 22:50.07 | rant | all debian packages are signed and apt will warn you before signing anything with a missing or invalid signature |
| 22:50.27 | SanchoPensa | rant: that is at least somewhat comforting... thanks for the answers, m8! |
| 22:50.48 | rant | not to mention they are checksummed and the checksums are in the cache fetched from the mirror |
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| 22:51.06 | guillaume_ | Ok...Where can I get the drivers ? I searched, but it doesn't seem to be so popular... https://duckduckgo.com/?q=debian+Intel+Corporation+Device+%5B8086%3A24fd%5D+(rev+78)&t=ffab&ia=web |
| 22:51.25 | rant | you need only search the pciid and the word linux |
| 22:51.32 | rant | 8086:24fd linux |
| 22:51.34 | SanchoPensa | rant: yeah, but if somebody man in the middles those mirrors, then they can tell you any arbitratry checksum, they see fit, can't they? |
| 22:52.08 | rant | the package and release files are signed too I believe |
| 22:52.39 | rant | they would either need a debian signing key or trick you into installing their key for verification |
| 22:53.24 | SanchoPensa | rant: which they easily could, if I already downloaded the distro from a fake mirror, right? |
| 22:53.40 | rant | I suppose |
| 22:53.59 | rant | or they could just have planted one of their agents in the Debian Maintainers :D |
| 22:54.01 | SanchoPensa | rant: we got federal trojans nowadays, you know? |
| 22:54.25 | rant | yeah well why go through the trouble with software.. they're built into the hw now |
| 22:54.32 | rant | computrace, etc |
| 22:55.24 | SanchoPensa | rant: i would not consider that so off, do you happen to remember, when the SSL stack produced a well known set instead of random keys for a preiod of two years, because some maintainer "forgot" to remove some comment singns, that he put there for testing purposes? do you really believe in such "accidents"...? |
| 22:55.59 | SanchoPensa | rant: because I suppose, that my hardware is a lil too predeluvian for that... |
| 22:56.08 | rant | idk, I am here in this channel for technical support of debian, not conspiracy theories |
| 22:56.36 | kanliot | rant, I bought a t520 for $45 free shipping. |
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| 22:56.40 | SanchoPensa | rant: so is the whole snowden talk not part of tech talk? |
| 22:56.54 | rant | kanliot: did you make sure it had a power cord.. sometimes they sell em without em |
| 22:57.01 | kanliot | rant i did. |
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| 22:57.13 | rant | kanliot: what kinda ram/ssd did it have? |
| 22:57.26 | kanliot | 16gb, 4gb ram |
| 22:57.34 | kanliot | the t530s weren't cheap |
| 22:57.52 | rant | kanliot: beats the pants off a RPI3b or OPIPC2+ or such |
| 22:57.59 | kanliot | i should have asked you if you can get 1gbit in transfer rates |
| 22:58.08 | kanliot | :) |
| 22:58.12 | rant | and those wouldve cost more after it was all said and done with accessories |
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| 22:58.31 | jim | guillaume_, judd also has a db of pciids... try: /msg judd pciid 1234:abcd |
| 22:58.39 | jim | or whatever the pciid is |
| 22:59.03 | guillaume_ | Ok, I installed iwlwifi and am now restarting. |
| 22:59.31 | jim | that might do it |
| 22:59.37 | rant | kanliot: I can't really vouch for the t530 anyhow.. the t510 was a VIA SoC and its total crap compared to the T520's AMD G-Series SoC |
| 22:59.51 | jim | you might also need firmware |
| 23:00.24 | rant | kanliot: firmware-amd-graphics from non-free is required for multihead or audio over DP but all the hw is fully supported |
| 23:00.40 | kanliot | ok. |
| 23:01.54 | jim | guillaume_, did the thing (what is it? laptop?) finish rebooting? |
| 23:02.16 | kanliot | i was thinking of buying something called an atomicPi. some kind of x86 raspberrypi |
| 23:02.21 | kanliot | but glad i didn't |
| 23:02.26 | rant | kanliot: it supports AMD-V virtualization too.. ran VMs well |
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| 23:03.02 | guillaume_ | Okkkkkk I have Wifi! |
| 23:03.10 | kanliot | it will be sitting here in the apt with a few external drives attached |
| 23:03.18 | rant | kanliot: can also boot from USB but it doesn't really /like/ to.. but it'll do it :P |
| 23:03.18 | kanliot | so thx |
| 23:03.33 | rant | kanliot: yeah I think you'll enjoy it.. they are great little machines |
| 23:04.15 | guillaume_ | I thank you very very much!! |
| 23:04.16 | kanliot | you should see the monitor i bought. 31.5", free sync for $170 |
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| 23:04.58 | kanliot | i sit about 5' from the monitor |
| 23:05.12 | rant | kanliot: when I say it doesnt like it, it wont seem to persistently boot usb on a regular basis for me.. I seem to have to reboot it twice or manually tell it each time.. if you set it for a usb hdd as first boot device it'll usually only get it after booting, hitting ctrl+alt+del and rebooting or brining up the manual boot selection :P |
| 23:06.04 | rant | kanliot: but it has 3 slots in it, one for ram, one for ssd, and one for expansion.. like wifi or such |
| 23:06.28 | rant | kanliot: I was thinking if you were to put a gps/cell modem in that extra pcie port.. it'd make a good car computer too |
| 23:06.33 | kanliot | your network script was for a laptop, right? |
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| 23:06.36 | kanliot | not a server |
| 23:06.53 | rant | kanliot: yeah that was for my laptop to mount the shares from the thin client |
| 23:07.07 | rant | when it connects to any of my home APs |
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| 23:08.38 | rant | kanliot: I got mine set up with two of these https://www.ebay.com/itm/WL-3TB-64MB-Cache-SATA-6-0Gb-s-3-5-Desktop-Hard-Drive-with-1-Year-Warranty/150855240377 in one of these https://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-3-0-to-SATA-External-Hard-drive-Docking-Station-Dual-Bay-2-5-3-5-HDD-SDD/232736851158 |
| 23:09.05 | kanliot | i prefer the new wd easystores |
| 23:09.06 | rant | kanliot: the t520 that is.. you can't beat that setup with a stick.. you're talking if you got those also.. under $200 for a 6TB server |
| 23:09.49 | kanliot | yeah it's going to be running two xfs partitions, that are automated rsync from online storage running btrfs |
| 23:09.51 | rant | yeah well I never tried those but I doubt you'd get 3TB for under $50 with quick free shipping :D |
| 23:10.11 | kanliot | huh i didnt' see the price |
| 23:10.14 | kanliot | are they used or what |
| 23:11.09 | SanchoPensa | rant: I just entered one of those firmware packs into debians package search, in the hope to see, from when the latest version of this package was https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-brcm80211 |
| 23:11.20 | SanchoPensa | does it say that somewhere? |
| 23:12.17 | rant | kanliot: though I read reviews that the ps with that wavlink dock wasnt sufficient for two 3.5 7200rpm drives.. it was only like 1.5A iirc.. I never used it.. I had a 12VDC 5A brick here already and used that instead |
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| 23:15.28 | kanliot | so the drives are used? BTW i need to get scripting. I need a script that will chop media when you enter 12:00 13:56 |
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| 23:20.16 | rant | kanliot: no those are brand new drives.. white label just means they were unbranded and actually I bought two and one was the generic label shown, the other had the original HGST label |
| 23:21.04 | kanliot | ok. done with the script ffmpeg -ss 0:00 -to 05:19 -i \'FRACTURE\'\ _\ A\ Darksynth\ and\ Darkwave\ Mix-6EVQPiRmZuU.webm -acodec copy fv.webm |
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| 23:21.11 | rant | white label drives are usually mfg or retail surplus, unbranded |
| 23:21.47 | kanliot | i have a 3tb movies dir, and a 2tb tv dir |
| 23:21.48 | Resilience | rant, what means mfg? are there really white label drives? that is the first time I hear about it |
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| 23:22.27 | rant | Resilience: mfg is Manufacturer.. and yes.. people sell drives unbranded and its called white label |
| 23:23.16 | Resilience | rant, but refurbished, not used, not with defects, "brand" new drives, well, unbranded xD |
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| 23:24.05 | rant | Resilience: companies like that one I posted, GoHardDrive white label the drives because its no longer covered by mfg warranty.. they disowned the product as surplus.. but most states require any seller to warranty for at least 90days.. in this case they "white-label" or unbrand it as an HGST and warranty it themselves |
| 23:24.49 | rant | Resilience: white-label doesn't mean used or refurb, it just means no longer associated with the original mfg, but is sold as branded and warrantied by the reseller |
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| 23:26.11 | Resilience | rant, thanks, just curious |
| 23:26.30 | rant | Resilience: in this case, this seller offers a 1yr warranty on a drive the mfg has written off as old-generation surplus they no longer support or warranty |
| 23:27.18 | rant | the retailers/mfgs want to clear old inventory and get new stuff.. and other resellers then buy it in bulk and sell it "white-label" |
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| 23:28.36 | Resilience | rant, I understand, one more thing, where does the g from mfg come from? |
| 23:29.12 | rant | Resilience: idk, I dont claim responsibility for idiosyncracies of the English language :D |
| 23:29.52 | zellfaze | Manufactoring |
| 23:29.53 | Resilience | rant mfg is the first time I see it too (today I'm feelin' like a virgin) xD |
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| 23:29.59 | zellfaze | ManuFactorinG |
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| 23:30.12 | zellfaze | At least that is what I suspect. |
| 23:30.14 | Resilience | zellfaze, manufacturer... |
| 23:30.23 | Resilience | zellfaze, that's a good guess |
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| 23:30.51 | zellfaze | The words are related. Fuck English is weird. |
| 23:31.41 | Resilience | zellfaze, yes, they are relateda, white label mfg,, it makes sense |
| 23:32.54 | rant | technically if you wanna be anal about it Manufacturing is mfg. Manufactured is mfd. and Manufacturer is mfr. |
| 23:33.34 | Resilience | rant not anal-yzing, just curious (pun intended) |
| 23:33.51 | zellfaze | I didn't even know that was the case rant. Neat |
| 23:35.35 | rant | kanliot: I'd made a lil ffmpeg wrapper for converting videos.. to save disk space.. |
| 23:36.33 | rant | kanliot: http://paste.debian.net/1081506/ |
| 23:36.50 | rant | too many damn options.. felt the need to simplify it :D |
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| 23:39.54 | kanliot | mine isnt' working now. something about bad header |
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