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| 00:28.23 | CombatVet | how reliable is using cron @reboot for running something as a service versus systemd? |
| 00:29.02 | Unit193 | @reboot deluged is pretty handy. |
| 00:30.23 | CombatVet | i have like 5 cronjobs using @reboot that's why i was asking |
| 00:30.38 | dondelelcaro | CombatVet: it works, but you're probably better of writing a unit file |
| 00:30.51 | Unit193 | There's also systemd user units you could make use of. |
| 00:31.04 | dondelelcaro | CombatVet: generally I use it when I need to run something as a user and I can't assure that systemd --user will be launched |
| 00:32.05 | CombatVet | yeah, same here |
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| 00:33.08 | dondelelcaro | CombatVet: but if I have root, then I just use systemd units nowadays |
| 00:34.37 | ryouma | cron will stick around for a long time tohugh right? |
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| 00:59.19 | danielboston26 | what is the channel name for debian testing? |
| 01:03.21 | __m4ch1n3__ | dpkg buster |
| 01:03.21 | dpkg | The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html |
| 01:03.41 | __m4ch1n3__ | dpkg testing |
| 01:03.41 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
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| 01:03.58 | __m4ch1n3__ | Daniel15, |
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| 01:04.06 | __m4ch1n3__ | ups sorry |
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| 01:05.09 | __m4ch1n3__ | [02:59:18] <danielboston26> what is the channel name for debian testing? |
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| 01:05.27 | __m4ch1n3__ | 30 seconds |
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| 01:17.14 | ryouma | when will testing be so much less bumpy that people start using it who are not enthusiasts but are also not stable-only types? |
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| 02:53.11 | jcb2016 | can somebody help me with broadcom drivers i need for this laptop im running buster on. im looking at https://wiki.debian.org/wl since im running a non free buster live usb do i just need to modprobe wl ? |
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| 03:35.51 | grovedavidt | hi guys, just passing through, good job on making linux stable and s... |
| 03:36.49 | grovedavidt | I'm using debian (I think) on a chromebook and I couldnt feel more at home. |
| 03:37.07 | grovedavidt | they must trust you guys |
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| 04:06.03 | jim | just checking something cause I forgot... when you run a netinstall image, will it try to establish a network connection before it goes to the partitioner tool? |
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| 04:21.02 | Nautilus | IIRC the usual debian download doesn't come with a lamp stack setup and running, I'm wondering if there is such a thing out there. Just need a simple DL for a friend that can click through setup and not have to do pkg installs as a temp test. |
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| 04:30.40 | themill | I would assume DVD1 would have that on it (I've not double checked) |
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| 04:30.59 | themill | !cd contents |
| 04:30.59 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/). |
| 04:32.01 | themill | pache2-bin_2.4.25-3+deb9u6_amd64.deb appears in: debian-9.8.0-amd64-DVD-1 |
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| 04:57.14 | Kyros | isnt one of the options in the setup to install lamp? |
| 05:01.19 | jmcnaught | there's a task to install a web server but it just installs apache2, not PHP/Python/Perl or an RDBMS |
| 05:02.08 | Kyros | i see |
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| 07:10.49 | pstk | hi here |
| 07:10.59 | pstk | hm? |
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| 07:43.43 | rudi_s | pstk: No. SSH (the server/client) does not use libssh. It's a separate project. |
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| 09:43.45 | Guest64633 | When moving files in my debian (armel) with "mv" command, it says "read-only file system". I can create files, but can't move any. |
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| 10:30.41 | qwerty | aloha |
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| 10:40.09 | hpfmn | hi |
| 10:40.33 | hpfmn | does anybody know a way to auto assign groups to all users that are able to login via ldap (using nslcd)? |
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| 10:44.29 | hpfmn | ahh I got it with this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LDAPClientAuthentication |
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| 12:17.46 | TinkerTiger | Has Jessie been depricated? Discontinued? |
| 12:20.41 | Shahnaz | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases#Production_Releases |
| 12:21.08 | Shahnaz | only lts support |
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| 12:23.01 | TinkerTiger | This little chromebook of mine lost all ability to update and some web. |
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| 12:54.12 | TinkerTiger | I don't use this laptop much for web, but I would like to get some of that back anyway. |
| 12:54.22 | TinkerTiger | :greets. |
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| 12:59.28 | BCMM | !jessie |
| 12:59.28 | dpkg | Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25. Security support ended 2018-05-17, repos removed from mirrors around 2019-03-24, except for <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <jessie release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Last point release was <8.11>. |
| 12:59.30 | BCMM | TinkerTiger: ^ |
| 13:00.46 | BCMM | TinkerTiger: jessie is in LTS support. that's different from being a current debian release, and almost all users should upgrade to the new stable instead of using jessie. |
| 13:01.14 | BCMM | TinkerTiger: if you really do need to use jessie, you should read this, particularly the bits about the limitations of security support https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using |
| 13:01.52 | BCMM | (i'm guessing you noticed because the obsolete -updates repo got taken down a few weeks ago?) |
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| 13:03.19 | TinkerTiger | This is a low power chromebook, 32-bit. I don't 'need' it but I liked having this as a burner laptop. |
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| 13:04.10 | TinkerTiger | The on screen magnification works suprisingly well and I need magnification. |
| 13:04.36 | BCMM | TinkerTiger: not sure i understand. are you worried that stretch won't work on your hardware? |
| 13:05.21 | TinkerTiger | I haven't been keeping track, obviously, so I don't know if it'd work or how well if it did. |
| 13:05.23 | BCMM | (asking because there's a lot of confused people going around saying that debian dropped 32-bit support, because they don't know the difference between debian and ubuntu) |
| 13:05.55 | TinkerTiger | Well, when Stretch first came out, I thought I read that. |
| 13:06.11 | TinkerTiger | ...then I got busy. |
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| 13:08.08 | TinkerTiger | BCMM: Thank you for your help. I'll look into it. |
| 13:08.46 | TinkerTiger | I mostly take this to meetings and takes notes on it. |
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| 13:10.44 | BCMM | TinkerTiger: the other reason for confusion is that debian dropped support for 586s. but that doesn't matter to most people, because the *overwhelming* majority of 32-bit CPUs that still exist are i686 |
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| 13:12.02 | jelly | still running 32bit debian on workstations, 2lazy3crossgrade |
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| 13:12.36 | jelly | and also on some horribly old virtualized servers. Don't tell anyone. |
| 13:13.33 | TinkerTiger | Hehe. |
| 13:14.18 | TinkerTiger | If I have to upgrade from 16G on this, I might. |
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| 13:15.15 | TinkerTiger | BCMM: Thanks. |
| 13:15.26 | jelly | but back to the topic at hand, |
| 13:15.30 | jelly | !jessie sources.list |
| 13:15.30 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 13:15.49 | A47 | The "mv" command of my kali is broken. Cant move any files, saying "read-only file system". Anyone wanna help? |
| 13:16.04 | greycat | It's the file system, not the mv command. |
| 13:16.09 | greycat | ANd this isn't kali support. |
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| 13:17.01 | greycat | You want to find out why the file system is read-only. Usually that means an fsck failed during boot, or you haven't fully booted, or something of that nature, in which case your best bet is to review dmesg and your boot logs, wherever kali puts those. |
| 13:17.06 | greycat | Ask the kali support channel. |
| 13:17.08 | A47 | greycat: sorry, I have multiple tabs opened. I was trying to post on #kali-linux. :p (I am new) |
| 13:17.30 | A47 | Thank you for detailed explanations. |
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| 13:19.47 | TinkerTiger | ? |
| 13:19.57 | TinkerTiger | Sorry, wrong window. Hehe. |
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| 13:20.57 | A47 | TinkerTiger: so am not the only one having such issues? :) |
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| 13:23.45 | TinkerTiger | A47: In 29 years of using the Internet, I still get windows crossed. |
| 13:25.41 | TinkerTiger | I've been using UNIX/Linux that long too and I still barely know anything. |
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| 13:37.00 | darxmurf | how can I replace all occurences of something in vim but from the cursor place to the end of the document ? |
| 13:37.12 | darxmurf | as %s is for the whole document |
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| 13:37.37 | pila1234 | hey |
| 13:37.42 | greycat | :.,$s/foo/bar/g |
| 13:38.01 | pila1234 | i run debian 9.8 and have an i9 9900k, but the core clock only maxxes out at 4ghz although it should go up to 5ghz under load on some cores |
| 13:38.14 | pila1234 | anyone know what i can do to get it running above 4ghz? |
| 13:39.01 | pila1234 | i also run performance cpu governor |
| 13:39.30 | pila1234 | turbostat max clockspeed is also 4000mhz, while default is 3600mhz |
| 13:41.10 | darxmurf | greycat: thanks! |
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| 13:55.51 | GlassWasTaken | Hi does anyone mind helping me with some install problems that I'm running into when installing the nvidia-driver? |
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| 13:56.50 | Penix | !ask |
| 13:56.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 13:57.31 | antimatter | heyy |
| 13:58.03 | azizLIGHT | sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward |
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| 14:00.09 | dD_ | I'm trying to block access to port 25 to my server, but for some reason I can't do it. I've tried commands like iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 25 -j DROP, adding tcp and OUTPUT, but I can still connect. What am I doing wrong? |
| 14:00.48 | Greyztar | dD_: checked that default policy is not accept? |
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| 14:01.24 | jelly | dD_: connect to what precisely from where precisely? Pastebin your "iptables-save" or "iptables -S" output |
| 14:02.08 | GlassWasTaken | Thanks Penix, so I have a problem with when I install the nvidia-driver on Debian Stretch with Kernel 4.9.0-8-amd64. After restarting once I installed it with Aptitude the screen stays black. I expected the GUI and such to load but that wasn't the case. As for the xorg log it stated that it couldn't find a display. I've done a bit of searching online but it hasn't helped to resolve the problem. As for the driver info I follow |
| 14:02.10 | dD_ | jelly, from outside the network |
| 14:02.12 | dD_ | one sec |
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| 14:03.06 | dD_ | jelly, https://termbin.com/jilz |
| 14:03.12 | GlassWasTaken | I did purge all nvidia packages and tried to reinstall for both the v390.48 and v375.66 (The ones listed on debians wiki) |
| 14:03.17 | dD_ | Greyztar, how could I check that? |
| 14:03.52 | Greyztar | dD_: never mind me,i think it doesnt matter as policy might be checked after the rules so your drop rule should be good i think |
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| 14:08.00 | Greyztar | dD_: could try insert rule instead like iptables -I INPUT -p udp --dport 25 -j DROP in case that related,established rule is causing it to accept |
| 14:09.28 | Fox | if you try to match port 25 AND udp that won't work, mail is tcp only |
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| 14:09.52 | Fox | unless you're using port 25 for something else ? |
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| 14:11.03 | jelly | oh feckin ufw |
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| 14:12.15 | Greyztar | Fox: totally forgot that cant track udp of course so that wont matter either |
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| 14:15.27 | dD_ | Greyztar, that seems to have done it, but I don't understand what th problem was |
| 14:16.32 | Greyztar | dD_: theres some other rule accepting then just need to figure out which one :P |
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| 14:16.41 | jelly | dD_: INPUT -> INPUT_ZONES -> IN_public -> IN_public_allow -> -A IN_public_allow -p tcp -m tcp --dport 25 -m conntrack --ctstate NEW -j ACCEPT |
| 14:16.55 | jelly | dD_: if you use ufw, configure stuff via ufw. |
| 14:17.44 | jelly | your rule appended to INPUT has no effect as everything is already blocked before that |
| 14:19.20 | jelly | a rule prepended at beginning of INPUT chain would. indeed, have precedence of stuff that comes later |
| 14:19.51 | jelly | dD_: which debian release is this? Do you know who installed and configured ufw? |
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| 14:20.30 | dD_ | it's debian 9 |
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| 14:21.36 | dD_ | i installed ufw when i set up the server, but don't remember doing much about it. |
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| 14:23.44 | dD_ | How can I make this change permanent on my fw? |
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| 14:24.45 | Greyztar | dD_: normally i would installed netfilter-persistent or iptables-persistent dont know how that will work with ufw though |
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| 14:35.21 | jhutchins_wk | GlassWasTaken: Check dmesg | less |
| 14:35.46 | Greyztar | dD_: i see in your rules you have fail2ban,if its installed maybe should add in /lib/systemd/system/netfilter-persistent "Wants=fail2ban.service" and maybe also "After=fail2ban.service" if i remember correct that will prevent fail2ban for flushing iptables or so |
| 14:37.06 | jelly | fail2ban does not flush stuff, but it's useful to disable the service before saving state for iptables-persistent |
| 14:38.00 | Greyztar | jelly: ohh i see,just remember that before i did it every reboot i got empty firewall hehe |
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| 14:38.40 | xut_ | What's everybody's favorite desktop environment in here? Mine's always KDE |
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| 14:38.53 | GlassWasTaken | jhutchins I've done that on my desktop, what should I do from there? |
| 14:40.10 | dD_ | jelly, I don't have either of them, (netfilter-persistent or iptables-persistent). Is there a big diff between both? |
| 14:41.08 | jhutchins_wk | GlassWasTaken: Read it and look for mentions of video drivers/nvidia. |
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| 14:41.21 | GlassWasTaken | Sure thing |
| 14:41.31 | jhutchins_wk | GlassWasTaken: Check the nvidia web site to see what version supports your chipset. |
| 14:41.53 | jelly | dD_: iptables-persistent is dependent on netfilter-persistent (and deals with a subset of functionality that iptables command provides). If you have (and want) ufw, keep using it, but learn how to do things through ufw only. |
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| 14:42.16 | jelly | iptables-persistent is an alternative, for people that like to manage rules on their own |
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| 14:45.12 | GlassWasTaken | Checked here: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/390.48/README/supportedchips.html and my gfx card is supported by the v390.48 |
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| 14:46.23 | jelly | GlassWasTaken: also, nvidia-detect package and tool can say which driver version your hw supports |
| 14:46.57 | GlassWasTaken | It also informed me that it was "nvidia-driver" jelly |
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| 14:47.04 | GlassWasTaken | So I'm not sure what |
| 14:47.05 | jelly | the default one, then |
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| 14:47.08 | GlassWasTaken | 's up* |
| 14:47.34 | GlassWasTaken | I did install v390 via aptitude but the screen remains black |
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| 14:48.21 | admin1 | hello |
| 14:48.52 | jelly | GlassWasTaken: can you log in via ssh and run commands? show your dmesg and lsmod output? |
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| 14:51.40 | FellowTraveller | so i want to filter all traffic coming to my ip xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx to my port yyy |
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| 14:51.47 | FellowTraveller | i guess this is not a debian question |
| 14:51.56 | FellowTraveller | but would anyone know if this is correct |
| 14:52.05 | FellowTraveller | tcpdump -n dst host xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx and dst port yyy |
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| 14:53.45 | admin1 | hello everyoneï¼what is the TG name of this group |
| 14:53.54 | admin1 | hello everyoneï¼what is the TG name of this group |
| 14:54.10 | greycat | I can't wait to learn what the hell this question is talking about. |
| 14:54.43 | dzove855 | greycat: +1 |
| 14:55.22 | greycat | Meanwhile... this is IRC. Internet Relay Chat. It's not a web site, and it's not some Windows-centric proprietary service marketed for mobile/tablets. |
| 14:55.30 | admin1 | I am useing IRC |
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| 14:55.55 | admin1 | Ok |
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| 14:56.02 | admin1 | no have tg group? |
| 14:56.21 | greycat | When you tell us what a "TG group" is, maybe someone will be able to answer that. |
| 14:56.24 | jelly | admin1: what does TG mean? |
| 14:56.32 | admin1 | telegram |
| 14:56.37 | GlassWasTaken | jelly the whole of dmesg? |
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| 14:56.43 | jelly | GlassWasTaken: yes. |
| 14:56.47 | jelly | !paste |
| 14:56.47 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 14:56.49 | jelly | GlassWasTaken: ^ |
| 14:57.01 | greycat | And here I thought I knew what a telegram was. Apparently someone's using it in a different way. |
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| 14:58.33 | greycat | admin1: What do you mean by "telegram"? Apparently it's not the things that are sent using Morse code in the 19th and 20th century. |
| 14:59.35 | GlassWasTaken | Here's the dmesg |
| 14:59.36 | GlassWasTaken | https://bin.privacytools.io/?1a03a3423e2148ec#y81b/W+Upe4TolwoUuND4pljdXEKCk2pMtbFJP1c+As= |
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| 15:00.35 | GlassWasTaken | https://bin.privacytools.io/?438aa33c93a0b114#A0nn+BdtAxNznKnFP26kcoiW9zCanY8VxJXZgxsr4bU= contains lsmod |
| 15:00.49 | EdePopede | some proprietary russian messenger. |
| 15:02.36 | jelly | admin1: there is no official or semi-official telegram group for Debian support that I know of, sorry |
| 15:03.16 | jelly | greycat: it's a chat/social app |
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| 15:04.00 | greycat | good thing they chose a unique name that can't possibly be confused with anything else, and is super easy to google |
| 15:04.16 | admin1 | jelly: Ok,thanks |
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| 15:13.49 | GlassWasTaken | jelly: I take it you're still going through? |
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| 15:31.59 | jhutchins_wk | GlassWasTaken: No errors loading the kernel module, move on to /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:32.21 | jhutchins_wk | GlassWasTaken: It's very noisy, but read through and look for relevant messages. |
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| 15:32.53 | jhutchins_wk | GlassWasTaken: Please DON'T just paste it without reading it. |
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| 15:37.05 | GlassWasTaken | jhutchins_wk: any specific lines I should be looking for/ |
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| 15:39.45 | GlassWasTaken | Regarding errors there is this: [ 8.695] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
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| 15:43.16 | jelly | GlassWasTaken: sorry, was busy. Is this an optimus config, a laptop? |
| 15:43.26 | jelly | because I see [ 7.954428] i915 0000:00:02.0: firmware: failed to load i915/skl_dmc_ver1_26. bin (-2) |
| 15:43.27 | GlassWasTaken | No this is a desktop |
| 15:43.39 | GlassWasTaken | GTX 1080 Ti |
| 15:43.43 | Copenhagen_Bram | Help, my screen has gone blank with only my cursor showing |
| 15:43.44 | greycat | ,file i915/skl_dmc_ver1_26 |
| 15:43.49 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 15:43.55 | Copenhagen_Bram | If I switch to a TTY it's still blank |
| 15:43.58 | jelly | okay, then that shouldn't matter if you have outputs connected on nvidia |
| 15:44.11 | greycat | ,file i915/skl_dmc_ver1_26.bin |
| 15:44.15 | judd | Search for i915/skl_dmc_ver1_26.bin in stretch/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/i915/skl_dmc_ver1_26.bin |
| 15:44.28 | GlassWasTaken | Currently my monitor is plugged into the Mother Board |
| 15:44.49 | Copenhagen_Bram | I tried to look up this issue on my phone but I can only find issues where it happens during boot |
| 15:45.44 | Copenhagen_Bram | My WM is I3 |
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| 15:48.07 | jelly | GlassWasTaken: kernel side looks alright at first sight |
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| 15:49.05 | GlassWasTaken | jhutchins told me to look at the Xorg log which I'm not sure what exactly I'm looking for |
| 15:50.00 | jhutchins_wk | GlassWasTaken: "Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found" sounds like the correct driver didn't get installed. |
| 15:50.25 | GlassWasTaken | Doesn't make sense though since the GPU I have is on the list for compatible GPUs |
| 15:50.49 | jelly | GlassWasTaken: is xserver-xorg-video-nvidia package installed? |
| 15:51.05 | GlassWasTaken | I can double check but it should be |
| 15:51.57 | jhutchins_wk | I have a 1050 Ti running fine on 390 direct from Nvidia. |
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| 15:52.23 | jelly | there's nvidia-driver 390.116-1 in stretch-proposed-updates repo but nothing immediately suspect in changelog |
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| 15:53.29 | GlassWasTaken | xserver-xorg-video-nvidia is already the newest version (390.87-8~deb9u1). Yep it is |
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| 15:53.33 | jelly | !spank jhutchins_wk |
| 15:53.33 | dpkg | bends jhutchins_wk over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 15:54.11 | jelly | GlassWasTaken: I'd like to see that Xorg.0.log, then |
| 15:54.13 | jhutchins_wk | 1080 should be supported since 367 ca June 2016 |
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| 15:54.38 | GlassWasTaken | Here's the whole https://bin.privacytools.io/?9dfb14bb71537ee9#NxvqO1uolbn0jenC5ef9B9adOkF0OtwfbGsrrJTWiKs= |
| 15:55.32 | mihi | Copenhagen_Bram, so on X11, you only see the mouse cursor and on the virtual consoles you only see a blinking text cursor? |
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| 15:55.56 | mihi | or you still see the mouse cursor on the console (i.e. the switching does not work)? |
| 15:56.41 | Copenhagen_Bram | I see no mouse cursor or blinking text cursor on the console |
| 15:57.37 | mihi | do you get any result from Alt-SysRQ-H (if enabled in your kernel)? |
| 15:58.06 | Copenhagen_Bram | no |
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| 15:59.16 | jelly | GlassWasTaken: that glx error shouldn't prevent showing an image. Can you pastebin output of "xrandr -q" ? |
| 15:59.45 | Copenhagen_Bram | mihi: I do have an ssh connection to my computer via my phone, is there any commands I could try? |
| 16:00.14 | GlassWasTaken | All it says is "Can't open display" |
| 16:00.30 | mihi | so, ssh is still working? that rules out my suspicion that all processes might have been dead :) |
| 16:00.42 | jelly | GlassWasTaken: you'd have to run it from an X session, as the user that logged in, normal user not root |
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| 16:01.27 | mihi | you can try 'chvt 1', or you can try 'ps' and look at the processes that are running on the virtual terminals |
| 16:01.35 | Copenhagen_Bram | mihi: my cursor even changes into a pointing finger or text selector cursor in some places, I think my browser's open |
| 16:01.46 | zleap | what are you trying to do, if you are trying to ssh in and run a grapnical application over a ssh session I think you need x forwarding |
| 16:02.02 | zleap | which is ssh -x or ssh -X can never remember, the man page will tell you though |
| 16:02.16 | Copenhagen_Bram | oh, neat maybe i'll try that later |
| 16:02.24 | zleap | np |
| 16:02.40 | Copenhagen_Bram | All I'm trying to do right now is make my screen show something useful without restarting my X session |
| 16:02.42 | GlassWasTaken | jelly: On the computer thats having the black screen issue, its still outputting the same thing (Logged in as my user account not root) |
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| 16:03.08 | Copenhagen_Bram | GlassWasTaken: You have a black screen issue too? |
| 16:03.20 | jelly | GlassWasTaken: oh, I thought you just connected the monitor to intel onboard gpu and worked in GUI from there |
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| 16:04.04 | GlassWasTaken | Using SSH so I can paste outputs from files and using the computer with the problem to run other commands as user |
| 16:04.53 | GlassWasTaken | I can still use ctrl+alt+func key to swap to a terminal but when i go to back to f7 for the GUI it sits black like it did on boot |
| 16:05.09 | Copenhagen_Bram | I just tried "xrandr --listmonitors" and it says "can't open display |
| 16:05.36 | Copenhagen_Bram | GlassWasTaken: But you can see your terminal? |
| 16:05.56 | GlassWasTaken | Yes, my problem is with the GUI not loading |
| 16:06.00 | jelly | GlassWasTaken: it's more complicated to get xrandr output that way when X is running and sitting at the login screen. I'll be AFK for an hour or two, perhaps someone else has ideas. |
| 16:06.04 | Copenhagen_Bram | GlassWasTaken: When did your screen go black? |
| 16:06.25 | GlassWasTaken | Was black after I installed nvidia-driver and rebooted |
| 16:06.30 | Copenhagen_Bram | Oh |
| 16:06.34 | Copenhagen_Bram | Mine did it overnight |
| 16:06.52 | Copenhagen_Bram | I closed my lid and went to sleep, this morning I opened the lid and had this issue |
| 16:07.03 | Copenhagen_Bram | If I recall correctly the backlight didn't even come on for a minute |
| 16:07.16 | mihi | Copenhagen_Bram, did it go to suspend mode? can you try to suspend/resume it again? |
| 16:07.17 | GlassWasTaken | Yeah mine never shows the gui on boot with nvidia-driver |
| 16:07.28 | GlassWasTaken | If I remove it then it works fine |
| 16:07.55 | Copenhagen_Bram | mihi: I'll try that |
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| 16:08.27 | Copenhagen_Bram | That worked! |
| 16:08.45 | Copenhagen_Bram | thanks mihi... But now how do I stop this from happening again? |
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| 16:09.00 | Copenhagen_Bram | It keeps happening. The most certain way to do it is to start an XFCE session and close the lid |
| 16:09.27 | Copenhagen_Bram | Actually it works if I just start xfce4-power-manager |
| 16:10.05 | GlassWasTaken | Meanwhile I'm struggling to even understand what happening |
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| 16:10.38 | Copenhagen_Bram | I mean, I don't know anything about what's happening either |
| 16:11.08 | Copenhagen_Bram | GlassWasTaken: What happens if you uninstall nvidia-driver and reboot? |
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| 16:11.21 | GlassWasTaken | Works fine then |
| 16:11.29 | Copenhagen_Bram | hmm |
| 16:11.55 | GlassWasTaken | Not sure what the issue with the nvidia-driver is as it SHOULD be compatible seeing as it's listed on the supported list |
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| 16:12.01 | Copenhagen_Bram | I just typed apt show nvidia-driver and came up blank, how are you installing this nvidia-driver? |
| 16:12.13 | BCMM | Copenhagen_Bram: do you have non-free enabled? |
| 16:12.19 | Copenhagen_Bram | no |
| 16:12.20 | jelly | Copenhagen_Bram: it's not available in default repos |
| 16:12.25 | Copenhagen_Bram | ah okay |
| 16:12.34 | jelly | only through |
| 16:12.37 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 16:12.37 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 16:12.44 | Copenhagen_Bram | Speaking of which, why is torbrowser-launcher in contrib? |
| 16:12.46 | Copenhagen_Bram | !contrib |
| 16:12.46 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ [stretch|buster|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
| 16:12.54 | BCMM | Copenhagen_Bram: debian's "main" repo only has free and open-source software |
| 16:13.04 | Copenhagen_Bram | !contrib list |
| 16:13.05 | dpkg | To see a list of <non-free> and <contrib> packages installed on your system, run «aptitude search '~i?or(~scontrib,~snon-free)'». See also <aptitude search>. |
| 16:13.24 | BCMM | Copenhagen_Bram: and nvidia-driver is proprietary software, released by nvidia themselves |
| 16:14.02 | Copenhagen_Bram | I see |
| 16:14.41 | dax | "Comment: contrib package because it's just a downloader of prebuilt Tor Browser Bundle." |
| 16:14.46 | dax | ~ https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//contrib/t/torbrowser-launcher/torbrowser-launcher_0.3.1-2_copyright |
| 16:15.13 | Copenhagen_Bram | oh |
| 16:15.31 | Copenhagen_Bram | but isn't the tor browser bundle free software? |
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| 16:15.50 | Copenhagen_Bram | > dependencies not in main |
| 16:16.00 | Copenhagen_Bram | How is that a dependency? |
| 16:16.02 | dax | yes, but "is free software" isn't the only requirement for main |
| 16:16.13 | jelly | Copenhagen_Bram: not by debian's definitions |
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| 16:16.20 | friendofafriend | I'm trying to install usbip, but the tutorials I see suggest I should install a linux-tools package as it's now a tool distributed with the kernel. I can't find a linux-tools package that contains usbip, should I just install the usbip package? |
| 16:16.23 | dax | it requires software outside the distribution (Because it's literally just downloading a prebuilt binary), so it's in contrib |
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| 16:16.42 | Copenhagen_Bram | hmm |
| 16:17.09 | jelly | dax: arguably it could be in main if it downloaded DFSG-free software! |
| 16:17.22 | wwilliam | I have this command is there a way to make it shorter using a function and arguments? just asking |
| 16:17.24 | wwilliam | find . -maxdepth 1 -type f -mmin -60 \( -iname "*.pdf" ! -iname "*NAET*.pdf" ! -iname "*_NY_STMT_DISK-Shipping_Avery_8164_+.PDF" \) > "$pdfnyfl"; |
| 16:17.34 | greycat | If that were the case, I'm sure it would simply be built as a debian package instead of a downloader. |
| 16:17.53 | wwilliam | will this work? |
| 16:17.55 | wwilliam | fnd (){ |
| 16:17.56 | wwilliam | find . -maxdepth 1 -type f -mmin -60 \( -iname "*$1" ! -iname "*$2" ! -iname "*$3" \) > "$4"; |
| 16:17.58 | wwilliam | } |
| 16:17.59 | wwilliam | fnd .pdf NAET*.pdf _NY_STMT_DISK-Shipping_Avery_8164_+.PDF "$pdfnyfl" |
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| 16:18.08 | GlassWasTaken | jelly: since your still here, when I execute lspci -nn | egrep -i "3d|display|vga" it spits out 2 lines |
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| 16:18.35 | GlassWasTaken | jelly: I know this isn't optimus since the GTX 1080 Ti doesn't even support it afaik from searching |
| 16:18.48 | GlassWasTaken | And it is a desktop that I built |
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| 16:33.11 | Copenhagen_Bram | chooses to download the tor browser tar.xz |
| 16:33.15 | Copenhagen_Bram | lol |
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| 16:35.19 | dax | that's what i do |
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| 16:38.28 | arosusi | â½ï¸ |
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| 17:21.27 | qwebirc318412 | Reintroducing my problem from earlier, I have a problem where after installing nvidia-driver, after rebooting I get a black screen, however, I can still hit ctrl+alt+func key to swap to a terminal, F7 where I'd expect a gui is just black |
| 17:21.59 | qwebirc318412 | I was GlassWasTaken but I swapped devices since I had to move around for a bit |
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| 17:22.55 | greycat | GlassWasTakenWasTaken |
| 17:23.19 | GlassWasTaken | Summarizing some things already looked at, Kernel seemed fine and the driver does support my GPU |
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| 17:34.14 | metbsd | how do i upgrade debian system to latest? |
| 17:34.31 | dax | metbsd: what version of debian are you on currently? |
| 17:35.00 | metbsd | Linux debian 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.144-3.1 (2019-02-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:35.07 | greycat | That is the latest stable release. |
| 17:35.27 | metbsd | but how do i upgrade it when there's new release |
| 17:35.43 | greycat | Instructions for buster haven't been written yet. |
| 17:36.10 | greycat | You could read the instructions for upgrading from jessie to stretch, and extrapolate. |
| 17:36.14 | greycat | dpkg, jessie->stretch |
| 17:36.14 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
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| 18:50.07 | nephewclifford | where do I go to ask for help for mx linux? |
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| 18:51.24 | Sleaker | nephewclifford: maybe in ##linux - is it a generic question or related to debian? |
| 18:51.45 | nephewclifford | it's about repos |
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| 18:51.51 | Sleaker | fire away |
| 18:52.09 | diogenes_ | nephewclifford, there is /j ##MX-Linux too |
| 18:52.10 | nephewclifford | I'm trying to upgrade mx 15 to mx 17 and list.d is empty |
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| 18:52.28 | Sleaker | ah yah you'll want ##MX-linux for that as diogenes_ suggested. |
| 18:52.41 | Sleaker | since that's related to specifically upgrading mx |
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| 18:54.20 | nephewclifford | ok thanks |
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| 19:17.59 | BCMM | greycat: what are these? just a copy of the stretch isntructions? https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 19:18.23 | greycat | ah, it's being written already. cool. |
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| 19:19.36 | dkfm_ | is there a command to show the available packages in a certain repository? |
| 19:19.39 | BCMM | well, many people have no doubt already done the upgrade, since the standard way to install Testing is to install Stable, and then upgrade |
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| 19:21.00 | greycat | I'm reading the chapter 5 stuff on "Issues to be aware of"... and it says the old eth0 names are no longer supported via whatever mechanism, but I've somehow got eth0 on buster. shrug. |
| 19:21.45 | dax | if you upgrade it keeps the old setup |
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| 19:22.22 | greycat | then I don't understand 5.1.4 on https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html |
| 19:22.38 | dax | or am i thinking of jessie->stretch |
| 19:22.46 | dax | i think i am |
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| 19:30.47 | greycat | my system *appears* to be (still) using the 70-persistent-net.rules thing. I don't have net.ifname in the kernel cmdline, nor do I have any /etc/systemd/system/*.link files |
| 19:31.06 | greycat | ticking time bomb? |
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| 19:48.15 | greycat | OK, did the network interface name migration thing. Apparently it's now "eno1" and not the longer enp0s31f6 entry I thought it would be. |
| 19:48.44 | greycat | I have no idea how I'm supposed to know which line of output from udevadm is the correct one. |
| 19:51.37 | greycat | Also #833182 did not magically fix itself (didn't expect it to, but tried it anyway). |
| 19:51.38 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/833182 in xserver-xorg-core (open): «xserver-xorg-core regression on Intel HD Graphics: drmSetMaster(): Permission denied»; severity: important; opened: 2016-08-01; last modified: 2019-04-02. |
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| 19:55.15 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: If I understand it correctly, an upgrade will detect the old udev configuration and retain the existing naming so as not to break things. New installs will default to the new scheme unless action is taken to switch schemes. |
| 19:55.36 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: I believe there are three patterns of naming available. |
| 19:55.44 | greycat | That's what is supposed to happen in stretch, but apparently is not supposed to happen in buster, and yet it did happen in buster. |
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| 19:57.37 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Well, it's kernel-ish, and isn't the kernel one of the last things that gets updated? |
| 19:58.35 | greycat | I'm not really complaining that it worked better than advertised. I'm just confused. |
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| 20:05.27 | jhutchins_wk | I read it the same way you did. |
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| 20:07.38 | somiaj | Is there new/release notes about this change? I don't see udev rule support disappearing any time soon, even if it is not the prefered way to name interfaces under systemd. |
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| 20:09.35 | greycat | somiaj: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html |
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| 20:09.51 | somiaj | Hmm, guess that is in the release notes. |
| 20:10.34 | somiaj | Yea, I was able to track it down to https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#migrate-interface-names. I'm surprised that they are removing support for using udev rules for this. |
| 20:10.48 | greycat | They *say* they are, at least. |
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| 20:11.17 | jhutchins_wk | I expect to see some pretty drastic changes post-buster. A lot of upstream projects have major differences. |
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| 20:13.17 | greycat | the warning about python2 going away in bullseye looks like a biggie |
| 20:15.03 | somiaj | Maybe we need to intrupit that 'will not be supported in buster' to mean that no one is going to care if they change something with how udev rules work and it breaks these interface naming rule files. But until then it might work. |
| 20:16.21 | dkfm_ | is there a command to show the available packages in a certain repository? |
| 20:16.29 | greycat | I haven't been in #debian-next the whole time but I also don't remember a boatload of users asking why their network interfaces stopped working on upgrades, so... yes? |
| 20:17.24 | greycat | dkfm_: cat /var/lib/apt/lists/whatever ? |
| 20:17.35 | somiaj | dkfm_: aptitude search can search by origin, which works in some cases. |
| 20:18.06 | greycat | grep ^Package: /var/lib/apt/lists/dl.google.com_linux_chrome_deb_dists_stable_main_binary-amd64_Packages |
| 20:18.14 | somiaj | you can also search by archive (like buster vs stretch) |
| 20:18.16 | greycat | wfm |
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| 20:18.59 | somiaj | dkfm_: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html -- anyways aptitude search provides some very powerful ways to search through avialble packages and you might be able to narrow it down on a particular archive. |
| 20:19.12 | somiaj | otherwise greycat of just looking at the text file can work. |
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| 20:20.34 | TinkerTiger | Thanks everyone for the help ealier. The chromebook is all upgraded. |
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| 20:43.27 | jhutchins_wk | dkfm_: You're talking a lot of packages. The total number I remember was 50,000+, but I think it's more like 70k now. |
| 20:44.03 | greycat | Since he talked about "a certain repository" I assume he meant a third-party one which is probably much smaller |
| 20:44.13 | greycat | that's why I used the google-chrome one in my example |
| 20:44.58 | ryouma | the release notes say that buster will increase that number even more, so even keeping track of /new/ packages for a dist-upgrade might be a lot of effort |
| 20:45.04 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, and those numbers are across all official repos, including i8n |
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| 20:46.13 | ryouma | maybe i guess most people don't try, as it's too large these days, even after eliminating libs |
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| 21:03.53 | jhutchins_wk | Some people want to browse, which I guess you can do with aptitude or synaptic, but with such a large database I would expect it to be clumsy. |
| 21:06.23 | avranas-_ | I don't typically have any problems with Synaptic, even on my more modest machines. The database isn't that large by modern standards. |
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| 21:11.15 | Deicide4u | Does anyone know when will sway migrate to Sid? |
| 21:11.21 | Deicide4u | sway wm |
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| 21:27.24 | EdePopede | where is that cursor blink setting in xterm menu? i can't read fast enough before it disappears |
| 21:27.47 | EdePopede | or is there a command i can use instead? xset or something? |
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| 21:28.52 | EdePopede | ah finally found it. #2 over the 1st line |
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| 21:38.16 | Neepu | Hi. Do anyone know how i can control the order of e.g when firmware are loaded by the kernel, and when network interfaces are initialized? |
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| 21:38.56 | Neepu | Got a custom firmware for a wifi card, that is about to get bridged with a br0 device. However, br0 is initialized before the firmware is loaded properly. |
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| 21:43.49 | Deicide4u | Who's excited to see GNOME on Wayland as default on Debian 10? |
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| 21:44.02 | BCMM | Neepu: ordinarily, firmware is loaded when a device is first initialized (when the driver for that device loads) |
| 21:44.33 | BCMM | Neepu: how does this custom firmware load? are you talking about loading a different firmware image, *after* the device is already active? |
| 21:45.56 | Deicide4u | firmware will load after you install it. If that doesn't work, just reboot |
| 21:46.41 | BCMM | Neepu: i think it would help to know how you installed this custom firmware |
| 21:46.51 | BCMM | and how you know when it loads |
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| 22:08.49 | Deicide4u | Any love for Wayland here? :) |
| 22:09.43 | BCMM | Deicide4u: i'm just waiting for KWin to support middle-click pasting on Wayland |
| 22:09.45 | BCMM | :( |
| 22:10.44 | Deicide4u | Yeah, kWin Wayland support is still lacking |
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| 22:12.01 | Deicide4u | But on GNOME, I am seeing no difference between Xorg and Wayland sessions. Maybe only whenthere's a crash, lol |
| 22:12.36 | BCMM | in my fairly limited testing, it's pretty much perfect, except that i can't use it for more than five minutes before i try to paste something and get frustrated |
| 22:13.18 | Deicide4u | dose the standard ctl+v work? |
| 22:13.58 | Deicide4u | Good that I never got used to middle-click pasting, then haha |
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| 22:27.32 | Neepu | @BCMM the driver is located in /var/lib/firmware/brcm/<drivername>.bin |
| 22:28.14 | Neepu | In the journalctl logs, i could see that the system failed to Raise my network interfaces, and 4-5 seconds later inform me about the firmware loaded |
| 22:29.21 | Neepu | It has a couple of errors loading, because the firmware is not really meant for my wifi card but it is functional and works out with iw and hostapd |
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| 22:30.00 | Neepu | That doesnt work out, when my br0 device tries to start hostapd through post-up (which requires my wlp4s0 device to be available) |
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| 22:31.56 | Deicide4u | Neepu: which device you're having trouble with? Maybe you need broadcom-sta-dkms driver package |
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| 22:33.22 | Neepu | https://wiki.faked.org/Asus_PCE-AC88_with_hostapd |
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| 22:36.05 | manuelschneid3r | is there a way to sandbox apps? |
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| 22:36.09 | Deicide4u | Neepu: Ok, there must |
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| 22:36.17 | Deicide4u | be another way |
| 22:36.28 | Neepu | https://pastebin.com/ecCVpXmX |
| 22:36.33 | manuelschneid3r | I mean such that you dont have to worry that it touches your stuf |
| 22:36.35 | manuelschneid3r | +f |
| 22:37.07 | Neepu | Here are the logs from journalctl, that indicate that "Raise network failed" and immideatly after the brcmfmac firmware gets loaded |
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| 22:40.03 | Neepu | if i insert "up sleep 30" in my br0 configuration, everything works again.. there must be a better way to do this |
| 22:40.26 | Dudududududo | Anyone who's been using or has used the unstable nvidia-driver (418.56-1) on experimental? If so how unstable is it currently? |
| 22:40.48 | Dudududududo | Well not unstable driver but experimental |
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| 23:26.16 | Sveta | I am looking for a debian supporting desktop computer (no third party firmwares etc) with 16GB of ram. Where can I buy this for cheap/ |
| 23:26.19 | Sveta | ? |
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| 23:35.00 | somiaj | Sveta: Are you comfortable building your own machine? There are also what is called 'bare bones machines', these cases often give you a desktop for cheaper than say getting a 'dell' or equivlant. |
| 23:35.30 | somiaj | as for ensuring no firmware, just be careful on the components. Though I woudln't say you completely avoid firmware (it will exist on your intel or amd processor, so using updated microcode is suggested) |
| 23:36.27 | somiaj | But if you say go with an intel mobo, intel graphics card, and non wifi intel ethernet card, and you should be fine on the firmware aspect. |
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| 23:43.34 | OerHeks | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open-source_wireless_drivers maybe a help too |
| 23:43.51 | OerHeks | see the part non-free firmware required |
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| 23:47.56 | BCMM | Sveta: how are you defining "third party" firmware? |
| 23:48.13 | BCMM | Sveta: is stuff that's available in debian non-free ok? |
| 23:49.05 | BCMM | imho it's well worth distinguishing between non-free drivers (sets potential restrictions on kernel upgrades, potentially causes stability issues that are impossible to debug, etc.) and just non-free firmware |
| 23:50.03 | BCMM | just about every hardware device that isn't true open-source hardware has non-free firmware; i personally don't see much reason to treat the small subset that loads it from disk differently from the majority that load it from a built-in ROM |
| 23:50.25 | BCMM | (unless *particularly* onerous licensing conditions make it difficult to get access to the firmware your hardware requires, of course) |
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| 23:53.40 | somiaj | And I personally would rather update some user loaded file than flash my hardware if the manfacuture produces a bug/security fix |
| 23:55.49 | OerHeks | somiaj, i misread, i thought you wanted no non-free firmware, that comes with fwupdate https://fwupd.org/ |
| 23:56.44 | somiaj | I don't try to avoid non-free firmware myself, this was more in response to Sveta question. |
| 23:57.42 | somiaj | There are purely open systems out there, using only open/free firmware, but the hardware for this is rare and often more expensive. Mostly you buy hardware, it comes with non-free firmware flashed on it at a minimum (some requires additional non-free firmware loaded from userland) |
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