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| 00:12.05 | Sleaker | dlam: that's for sure, jessie is oldstable. |
| 00:12.09 | Sleaker | stretch is current stable |
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| 02:01.26 | karlpinc | Neobenedict: The thing to do to keep ssh secure is to make sure that /etc/ssh/sshd_config says that root can't log in (or not without using a key) and to require that a key be used to login, period. Then you follow good practice handing out accounts and keys -- no sharing between people. If you're really paranoid, use certs instead because they expire. If you're worried about DOS attacks, rate-limit port 22 per-source IP on your |
| 02:01.27 | karlpinc | firewall. That pretty much takes care of it short of a big bug in sshd itself. |
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| 02:05.21 | karlpinc | (Rate-limit new connections, not bandwidth.) |
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| 02:11.23 | karlpinc | FWIW, you don't really want to hand out keys. It's simplest if each person has only one key; one identity. So use they key a person already has. You can always revoke access on your side by removing the account or the key from ~/.ssh/authorized_keys. (Or the equalivent dropbear file. I forget.) |
| 02:13.40 | themill | per "(person, device)" rather than just "person |
| 02:15.10 | karlpinc | Right. Sometimes devices or even "features" get their own key. |
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| 02:18.22 | karlpinc | Handing out a key is an exhibition InternetOfThings-Love. :) |
| 02:20.18 | yhlfh | hello all, is there a way for fontconfig to modify font charset? |
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| 02:53.33 | tp43_ | I did a couple purges and re-installs, but I seem to be missing some windowing system files. When I open Vim, or shell, or right click in the browser, all the styles are missing. No margins or paddings |
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| 04:25.09 | roylaprattep | How many of you guys made the upgrade Jessie to Stretch? As a server, not a workstation. Thank for your replies. |
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| 04:28.29 | tvm | roylaprattep: there isn't much difference to be honest |
| 04:29.15 | tvm | and 99% of time it goes smoothly without any need for intervention |
| 04:33.16 | roylaprattep | tvm: So, as a server, I should wait? No major changes? |
| 04:33.40 | roylaprattep | Except for MySQL switch to MariaDB |
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| 04:44.58 | tvm | you can stay with it as long as jessie is being considered oldstable release |
| 04:46.08 | tvm | but next release is behind the doors and this will soon be obsoleted |
| 04:47.06 | klys | debian: I thought that you were Jessie's girl! |
| 04:47.20 | tvm | i would personally upgrade it |
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| 04:50.57 | themill | roylaprattep: most people would have upgraded over a year ago; note that only a portion of jessie is still supported by the jessie LTS project) |
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| 04:53.09 | SerajewelKS | roylaprattep: i upgraded within a few months of release, i think |
| 04:53.33 | SerajewelKS | not a great idea to wait a long time |
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| 06:13.40 | isaac_ | exit |
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| 06:16.10 | Haohmaru | hai |
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| 06:19.17 | dx_ob | hello |
| 06:19.39 | dx_ob | how do i create a usb installer ? |
| 06:19.45 | dx_ob | like |
| 06:20.17 | dx_ob | dd bs=1024 if=./debian.iso of=/dev/sdb or sdb1 ? |
| 06:20.31 | Haohmaru | uhm, like.. take the "netinst" iso and slap it onto a usb flash stick |
| 06:21.11 | Haohmaru | /dev/sdb is a whole "drive", /dev/sdbN is a partition on that drive |
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| 06:21.45 | Haohmaru | you wanna write the ISO onto the whole drive, so it starts from the beginning of it, not from the beginning of some partition |
| 06:22.07 | dx_ob | ok |
| 06:22.09 | dx_ob | thnx |
| 06:22.19 | Haohmaru | i'd personally put a bigger number in bs |
| 06:22.20 | themill | also, you can just cp just like the documentation says |
| 06:22.43 | Haohmaru | and add conv=sync status=progress |
| 06:22.46 | themill | https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
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| 06:24.10 | dx_ob | Haohmaru: so it should be sdb ? |
| 06:24.36 | themill | wonders why you'd want conv=sync |
| 06:24.49 | Haohmaru | it should be the whole drive, since the ISO contains a partition table and partitions |
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| 06:25.21 | Haohmaru | themill uhm, afaik, so that you know it's "finished" after dd returns |
| 06:25.42 | themill | that's not what conv=sync does though; that's about padding with nulls if the blocks are different sizes |
| 06:25.52 | themill | dd â¦; sync |
| 06:26.07 | Haohmaru | o_O |
| 06:26.32 | dx_ob | ok thnx |
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| 06:29.38 | Haohmaru | damn, i guess i've read the conv=sync thing from some asklolbuntu forum and then assumed i know what "sync" does x_x |
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| 06:30.36 | Haohmaru | so using "cp iso drive" does all the sync magic? |
| 06:31.59 | Haohmaru | altho i do like having some feedback while waiting (status=progress) |
| 06:32.34 | themill | you still need to run sync after. status=progress is nice albeit potentially misleading since it will complete before it has sync'd. |
| 06:32.52 | themill | the simpler syntax of cp over dd wins for most people asking how to do this |
| 06:33.27 | SerajewelKS | conv=sync is mostly useless these days, AIUI |
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| 06:34.09 | Haohmaru | okay, cp is indeed simpler to write |
| 06:34.15 | ctr | hey i try to put iso file on usb |
| 06:34.16 | Haohmaru | cp iso drive; sync ? |
| 06:34.21 | ctr | why does it not get recognise ? |
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| 06:34.32 | themill | the real command might help |
| 06:34.47 | SerajewelKS | cat with shell redirection can write images as well |
| 06:34.55 | SerajewelKS | there's only so many ways to dump one file into a device |
| 06:35.00 | ctr | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 06:35.06 | ctr | i download the 600 meg file |
| 06:35.09 | ctr | an put it on usb |
| 06:35.13 | ctr | is that not enough/ |
| 06:35.18 | ctr | what am i doing wrong |
| 06:35.20 | themill | "put" is not a command. |
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| 06:38.29 | SerajewelKS | (conv=sync without noerror doesn't really do anything different unless ibs != obs, which is rarely done |
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| 06:39.39 | SerajewelKS | so using conv=sync by itself without different ibs and obs sizes is the same as not specifying conv=sync at all. i suspect it's one of those things that someone suggested once in a specific situation that called for it and it become the conventional wisdom to use it, recommended by people who don't know what it really does. |
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| 06:40.31 | Haohmaru | wisdombuntu |
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| 06:41.59 | Haohmaru | i didn't expect "cp" can do such thangs |
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| 06:42.11 | nevivurn | Why not? |
| 06:42.25 | Haohmaru | but i think i know what's happening.. /dev/sdX can be opened as if it's a file, right? |
| 06:42.44 | themill | yes |
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| 06:43.08 | nevivurn | Everything is a file~ |
| 06:43.33 | Haohmaru | so in theory, i can draw some picture in gimp, and then save it as a jpeg with filename "/dev/sdb" and it's gonna just.. do it..? |
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| 06:43.53 | Haohmaru | (assuming i got permission to) |
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| 06:44.14 | SerajewelKS | if the gtk file save dialog lets you, sure |
| 06:44.27 | Haohmaru | and i'll get jpeg shizzle instead of a partition table, huehue |
| 06:44.44 | SerajewelKS | probably a terrible idea to run gimp as a user who can manipulate raw devices |
| 06:44.51 | Haohmaru | of course |
| 06:45.24 | SerajewelKS | except in a few cases, linux doesn't really protect you from yourself |
| 06:45.35 | Haohmaru | my collegue still sometimes logs into the desktop environment as root x_x |
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| 06:46.02 | SerajewelKS | i did when i first started using linux as well |
| 06:46.10 | themill | cp explicitly tries to open the target file if it exists and then writes to it (as opposed to -f or --remove-destination). Other programs may chose to move an existing file away or delete it before writing to it, in which case that behaviour would be different |
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| 06:47.22 | SerajewelKS | for writing images, i find the intention of dd or 'cat image > device' to be clearer than cp, so i prefer those forms |
| 06:48.01 | Haohmaru | i think i'll keep using dd, because of status=progress, even if it's not super accurate, it gives some feedback |
| 06:48.41 | themill | the > redirection is incompatible with the sudo worldview so sort of fades away these days |
| 06:49.08 | SerajewelKS | sudo sh -c 'cat image > device' |
| 06:49.20 | themill | that you find clearer? ;) |
| 06:49.22 | SerajewelKS | but i usually prefer dd anyway |
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| 06:49.36 | SerajewelKS | clearer in intent than cp, yes |
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| 06:51.24 | Haohmaru | i might use "cp" for small things where i won't bother doing dd .. status=progress |
| 06:52.06 | Haohmaru | learnt two new things today |
| 06:52.13 | SerajewelKS | pv output is nice too. sudo sh -c 'pv image > device' |
| 06:52.21 | SerajewelKS | gives you a progress bar and ETA |
| 06:52.43 | Haohmaru | i don't sudo, i log in with "su -" |
| 06:52.51 | Haohmaru | then i "exit" when i'm done |
| 06:52.52 | SerajewelKS | then just 'pv image > device' |
| 06:53.02 | Haohmaru | i won't remember this |
| 06:53.30 | Haohmaru | but it's scary with linux how if you type something random-looking, it might actually be a command :/ |
| 06:53.53 | themill | Unfortunately for ctr, "put" is still not a command.... |
| 06:55.20 | ctr | it's cool i've given up on debian for now |
| 06:55.26 | ctr | i'll try it later |
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| 06:56.55 | themill | ctr: it's impossible to tell you what you did wrong if you won't tell us what you did. No need to give up and try later. |
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| 06:58.42 | ctr | i just put it on a usb the iso file |
| 06:58.48 | ctr | like other os's like mint |
| 06:58.52 | themill | "put" is meaningless |
| 06:59.01 | ctr | i clicked the button |
| 06:59.05 | ctr | an wrote it to usb |
| 06:59.06 | themill | what button? |
| 06:59.17 | Haohmaru | smells like windows |
| 06:59.20 | ctr | the usb image writing button |
| 06:59.22 | themill | dude, pretend that I can't see your screen |
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| 07:00.00 | ctr | i have a usb image writing app |
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| 07:00.11 | Haohmaru | which one |
| 07:00.14 | themill | I assume there is no chance of you telling us which one. |
| 07:00.14 | ctr | i used that an put it on usb |
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| 07:00.18 | ctr | im on mint |
| 07:00.44 | ekiro | I'm looking for a old wheezy package which I can't find avauilable for dowbload |
| 07:00.46 | ctr | it doesn't say the exact name of it |
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| 07:01.02 | themill | ekiro: archive.d.o or snapshot.d.o |
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| 07:01.20 | Haohmaru | nasty, i hate programs that don't clearly show you their actual names |
| 07:02.07 | BazookaTooth | mint has a few apps like that. i think the image writer is a fork of rosa but don't remember |
| 07:02.10 | ctr | https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/burn.html |
| 07:02.12 | ctr | this is the one |
| 07:02.13 | ekiro | themill sorry im not familiar with what those are |
| 07:02.13 | ctr | i think |
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| 07:02.25 | SerajewelKS | ekiro: d.o = debian.org |
| 07:02.33 | ekiro | ah |
| 07:02.38 | themill | !archive.debian.org |
| 07:02.38 | dpkg | Debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at http://archive.debian.org/ . To use with <APT>, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For old versions of specific packages, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 07:02.41 | ctr | you think it'll help if i download another writer? |
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| 07:03.05 | Haohmaru | ctr after you download the iso, it's a good idea to run a "sha" sum on it and compare to the reference sha sums on the official server (or where you downloaded it from) to make sure it's not downloaded corrupted |
| 07:03.23 | ctr | oh |
| 07:03.37 | Haohmaru | because such things do happen sometimes |
| 07:03.42 | SerajewelKS | make sure that you got the right arch, too. i accidentially downloaded the arm64 ISO once instead of the amd64 ISO and spent over an hour trying to figure out why it wouldn't boot. |
| 07:03.44 | ctr | so maybe just download it again |
| 07:03.51 | themill | ctr: just copying it on the command line would be easier than installing some other tool |
| 07:04.00 | BazookaTooth | ^ |
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| 07:04.05 | Haohmaru | ctr no, just run a sha sum first |
| 07:04.07 | themill | https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
| 07:04.35 | ctr | i downloaded amd64 |
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| 07:05.11 | Haohmaru | if the sha sum checks out - then it's probably fine, write it onto the flash stick like it says on the faq page ^ |
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| 07:06.33 | ctr | ok thanks |
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| 07:24.50 | owen | Hey guys |
| 07:25.01 | owen | Whats up? |
| 07:25.13 | ayekat | what's your question? |
| 07:25.28 | owen | Hah i dont have one |
| 07:25.32 | owen | I am just here to hang out |
| 07:25.38 | owen | Hows yalls night going so far? |
| 07:27.19 | owen | exit |
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| 07:28.46 | ayekat | was about to reply that his night had died about thre hours ago to make way for the morning... so "not very well" |
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| 08:07.50 | SpeedyG | ayekat: guess that depends on your location... 3 hours ago would've been 6.30AM where I am, not too shabby for getting up ;) |
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| 09:46.10 | ayekat | SpeedyG: yes, but the night wasn't very well anymore - it was in the process of dying :-) |
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| 09:48.15 | ayekat | wait, I misread that |
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| 09:48.57 | ayekat | I guess it would have been well enough to get at least one final drink |
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| 11:01.10 | Greyztar | hello,im wondering its adviced to not have 3rd party repositories when upgradeing,so if i remove those programs and repositories is should be good doing an inplace upgrade? |
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| 11:19.26 | Elirips | Hello. Is 8GB should still be enough to run debian 9 with kde 5? Only use is some browsing, emailing.. editing documents. |
| 11:20.33 | SpeedyG | i've got deb9 with gnome on 3GB... so i'd guess yes... |
| 11:20.48 | rdz | Elirips, I don't about KDE5, but my Debian machines tend to be between 3-5GB in size |
| 11:20.50 | SpeedyG | (assuming its RAM you're refering to :) ) |
| 11:21.11 | rdz | Ah.. i was talking about storage |
| 11:21.13 | Elirips | yes, its about ram |
| 11:21.13 | SynrG | Greyztar: i don't know what's advised currently. but i know in general that removal of repos can make it more likely an upgrade will recommend removals of the things you depend on from those repos when you're upgrading. |
| 11:21.36 | SynrG | Greyztar: i guess it just depends on how tangly the dependencies are. |
| 11:22.05 | Greyztar | SynrG: thanks for input on the matter,ill make backups when upgrade is due and give it a go atleast =) |
| 11:22.07 | SynrG | Greyztar: certainly life is easier if you can make do without third-party software |
| 11:22.30 | SynrG | Greyztar: and i guess re-installs afterwards are possible |
| 11:22.50 | Greyztar | SynrG: yes that was how i would go about it |
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| 11:23.11 | SynrG | sounds like a solid plan |
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| 11:25.07 | piyush-kurur | any one having problems starting X using startx after a recent update of debian testing |
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| 11:25.51 | piyush-kurur | I git a screen with no x started and if I switch the VT and come back it crashes with a EnterVT unable to swithch to ... error |
| 11:26.33 | piyush-kurur | I will try to get a xorg.log posted |
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| 11:36.23 | Haohmaru | Elirips i use debian9 on machines with 2GB, but kde is just aweful, i use lxde |
| 11:36.53 | Haohmaru | and be prepared to run out of RAM and kill/restart the webbrowser from time to time |
| 11:37.01 | Elirips | Haohmaru: we could start an infinite discussion about kde, gnome, xde and so on ;) |
| 11:37.19 | piyush-kurur | Here is the xorg log file https://pastebin.com/s8MiPBCg |
| 11:37.22 | Haohmaru | i forgot to put "IMO" |
| 11:37.55 | Haohmaru | when lxde loads up, the system is at like 250MB RAM usage |
| 11:38.03 | Elirips | Haohmaru: what do you mean with run out of ram due to the browser? |
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| 11:39.01 | Haohmaru | go to one of those websites that load more content into the page whenever they decide to, and the browser memory usage only grows up |
| 11:39.04 | Haohmaru | at least firefox |
| 11:39.47 | Elirips | okay, but that problem will persist also if I buy 16GB of ram |
| 11:39.58 | Haohmaru | yes |
| 11:40.16 | Haohmaru | just the moment you hit the wall will come a bit later |
| 11:41.01 | qman__ | modern web browsers are memory hogs |
| 11:41.20 | qman__ | 2GB is probably enough to support one tab |
| 11:41.20 | Haohmaru | they do what the webpages tell them to |
| 11:41.25 | Haohmaru | i blame the www |
| 11:41.49 | Haohmaru | nah, you can do more, depends which websites tho |
| 11:42.09 | jelly | I have to admit latest Chrome and Firefox ESR don't seem to eat more than 12GB, and I have hundreds of tabs open in both at the same time |
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| 11:42.26 | Haohmaru | or well, if you're on kde then you got just 1GB there iirc |
| 11:42.43 | Haohmaru | that's why i wouldn't use kde even if i liked it |
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| 11:43.09 | jelly | Elirips: so 16GB seems quite enough |
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| 11:43.20 | qman__ | the pages are part of it but the browsers themselves have changed a lot and hog memory |
| 11:43.38 | qman__ | for example, 512MB is not even enough to open the browser these days |
| 11:43.52 | qman__ | in 2005, I could browse a couple dozen websites with that |
| 11:43.56 | jelly | also: ad and js blocker extensions help. |
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| 11:44.10 | Elirips | 16GB is enough for sure, I was thinking of sticking to 8.. but well |
| 11:44.43 | Elirips | [ot] getting ot, but: Is there any benefit in using two ram slots, instead of just one (for example, 2x 8GB instead of 1x 16GB)? |
| 11:44.44 | jelly | 8GB + zram swap maybe |
| 11:45.25 | jelly | Elirips: yes. A pair of sticks will make ram access slightly faster than a single one double the size. |
| 11:45.33 | qman__ | if the board has dual channel, yes |
| 11:45.37 | qman__ | the memory bandwidth will double |
| 11:46.09 | jelly | there is no board less than 10 years old that would _not_ have memory channels arranged that way |
| 11:46.16 | qman__ | there are plenty |
| 11:46.23 | jelly | (if we're talking about x86) |
| 11:46.43 | qman__ | low end stuff with single channel still exists |
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| 11:47.29 | qman__ | you probably have dual channel, but you might not, and any boards that don't definitely wouldn't have more than 2 slots |
| 11:47.33 | Haohmaru | qman__ yeah, firefox eats about 600MB just to load "about:blank" x_x |
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| 11:47.44 | Elirips | thx. will I ever notice that difference in speed - in everyda use like browsing and emailing? |
| 11:48.12 | jelly | no |
| 11:48.26 | qman__ | maybe, depends on the browsing you do, as mentioned browsers and the modern web can actually get pretty performance intense |
| 11:48.45 | qman__ | but it won't be a big difference unless you have a heavy load |
| 11:49.11 | Haohmaru | like a bitcoin digging banner ;P~ |
| 11:49.29 | jelly | that's why you use ad blockers. |
| 11:49.36 | Haohmaru | but i don't |
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| 11:49.49 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 11:49.58 | Haohmaru | i'm constantly eyeballing the cpu usage tho |
| 11:50.20 | Haohmaru | <eyeballing_intensifies.gif> |
| 11:51.24 | karlpinc | Eyeballing makes CPUs boil hotter! |
| 11:52.14 | Haohmaru | do you mean that the cpu meter itself adds to the cpu usage? |
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| 11:54.14 | karlpinc | I'm just working on clever sentence construction. But now that you mention it, when I upgraded to stretch my X, which runs over the network, slowed substantially. Might be something turned off graphics acceleration on the X server. Or.... Anyway, I'm really hoping it goes away in buster. |
| 11:55.16 | karlpinc | I get like 1 or maybe 2 frames/second. |
| 11:56.14 | karlpinc | (Waving windows around the screen works fine....) |
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| 13:35.24 | tchakatak | hello, i would like to report bug in the installer of buster, how shoud i do that ? |
| 13:36.54 | greycat | !installation report |
| 13:36.54 | dpkg | hmm... installation report is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#submit-bug |
| 13:37.23 | greycat | (should be the same for amd64 as well) |
| 13:38.59 | tchakatak | Thanks, i will take a look around there |
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| 13:54.41 | EdePopede | Âi'm stuck another time with my keyboard layout. maybe someone gets throug it. atm (may serve as an example as it is my current issue) it is about the key near the right shift on german layout. traditionally it is '- _' (HYPHEN-MINUS; LOW LINE). but there's also AltGr as modifier and nowadays AltGr+Shift and released AltGr (layer change?) etc. [tbc] |
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| 13:57.12 | EdePopede | now i used to create files in mc (midnight commander, default build against ncurses) with some dash, didn't care which one: AltGr+-, also used it in its internal editor. with the upgrade to stretch things changed, now i have IBus running and i memorized changes as from T2 layout to T3, mostly meaning tons of new UTF codepoints directly available. also depending on the settings in IBus Preferences. |
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| 13:59.06 | EdePopede | just tried the classic AltGr+- and instead of some hyphen it showed the replacement character in the editor. `hd` tells me it inserted `C2` with the 2nd byte missing. AltGr+Shift+- still works, produces 'e2 80 91NON-BREAKING HYPHEN' |
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| 14:01.44 | EdePopede | now i turned off the settings in IBus and a get an 'e2 80 93EN DASH' again. and i don't even want to think about Gtk, hexchat has this selection for Input Method where i'm also never sure which one would be the one i'd want. just to have an input alternative to xterm/ncurses |
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| 14:03.30 | EdePopede | now mostly i'm wondering if ncurses has its fingers on keyboard input. or if it is IBus only. especially that non-complete 'c2' sequence is a weird thing. any idea what's going on? |
| 14:03.56 | greycat | ncurses and xterm have nothing to do with each other |
| 14:04.32 | greycat | there's the XKB layer in the X server, and then there's the X11 input library layer (XCompose), and then there's whatever happens in applications |
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| 14:07.32 | EdePopede | mc has an option for 8-bit input, so it really may do something here. |
| 14:08.25 | EdePopede | ibus has nothing to do with BMW i'd think? |
| 14:08.42 | greycat | you can try entering stuff via keyboard in a vanilla xterm, or in a Tk text window, or in a web browser's text area, and hope that one or more of those things will not introduce any new mangling of the input |
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| 14:10.24 | EdePopede | just threw an <input> into a html file |
| 14:11.29 | greycat | (P.S. if you go with the xterm approach, remember that a *shell* may also do input mangling, so you want to run some command like 'cat' or 'od -tx1 -An' ...) |
| 14:11.45 | EdePopede | i remember there are a number of terminals based on the same library (xfc4-terminal being one of them). and that they have some input input issue due to the library |
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| 14:12.32 | EdePopede | i had read in bash and piped it to hd |
| 14:12.55 | greycat | bash uses libreadline which can be configured in a number of interesting ways |
| 14:13.38 | greycat | by default, it uses an input mode that roughly mimics emacs |
| 14:13.40 | colo-work | oh yeah, it's pretty awesome |
| 14:14.25 | colo-work | I discovered this nifty setting lately: https://twitter.com/JohTru/status/975686428914053120 |
| 14:14.29 | greycat | so, just typing "hd" and pressing Enter is better than reading something into a shell variable with "read" and then piping the variable through hd |
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| 14:17.42 | EdePopede | oh that's... wow. |
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| 14:18.23 | greycat | Colored prefix was added in bash 4.4. It was enabled by default in bash 4.4 pre-releases but disabled by default in the final release for whatever reason. |
| 14:19.05 | greycat | I haven't seen colored-stats before. That one's new to me. |
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| 14:20.04 | karlpinc | I can't handle color. I find it too distracting and turn it off where ever possible. Mostly this is pretty easy. |
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| 14:24.04 | EdePopede | should the settings get listed by `shopt` if on or not? |
| 14:25.29 | greycat | readline settings go in ~/.inputrc or /etc/inputrc or are invoked via "bind" and other commands |
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| 14:26.41 | EdePopede | oh. i see. didn't mess with this file for maybe years now. |
| 14:27.12 | Tenkawa | karlpinc: I'm also almost completely colorblind so I hear ya |
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| 14:31.01 | t3st3r | karlpinc> on other hand, say, colored dmesg allows to locate errors much faster compared to wall of uncolored text. |
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| 14:32.48 | karlpinc | Tenkawa: I probably have a mild brain disorder or something that makes reading color ungood. I also can't always see the letters when they're in blue. Which may have more to do with the color temperature of my monitor or the backround color or something else. Anyway, things usually work better for me without color. |
| 14:32.51 | jelly | karlpinc: a different palette mapping the default 8/16 colors to other, more subtle colors, might be useful. Look up "solarized", for example |
| 14:33.30 | Tenkawa | I definitely have brain damage.. was born with it |
| 14:33.36 | jelly | or completely different colors, to offset your wetware bugs |
| 14:34.00 | karlpinc | jelly: I don't want to have to think too hard. :) I stick with a green on black terminal window and live in those. |
| 14:34.11 | EdePopede | coloured, not colorful. (if this even makes sense in english) |
| 14:34.16 | Tenkawa | blue is the only color i partially see correctly |
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| 14:34.48 | karlpinc | t3st3r: Occasionally color is useful. I like it when a web page puts errors next to text fields in red. (Which would be awful for someone color blind.) |
| 14:34.59 | karlpinc | EdePopede: Makes sense in english. |
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| 14:36.54 | bernyrd | Hello |
| 14:37.11 | EdePopede | the 90s poured a year of smarties production into the web, now we have material with colours from back in the 50s or even everything grayed out. and desktops following every time *sigh* |
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| 14:40.12 | bernyrd | debian is bit grey I guss |
| 14:41.58 | t3st3r | karlpinc> also colored ls could eventually be useful. Uncolored wall of text is slow to parse. Though misuse of color easily makes it a mess. |
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| 14:42.55 | t3st3r | same for "material design" where it takes 3x time to find your battery or cell signal icon vs usual one. |
| 14:42.58 | karlpinc | t3st3r: My problem is the opposite of color blind. Color screams. Which keeps me from the content. |
| 14:43.42 | t3st3r | that's what I meant about screwing it up: excessive coloring can kick out of context and make parsing even harder. |
| 14:44.33 | EdePopede | t3st3r: color-ls, well. directories blue on black. another dark desktop problem. can be changed, i know. but most things are designed for bright desktops. |
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| 14:46.12 | t3st3r | EdePopede> I don't get where it a problem. Looks good for me on dark terminal. |
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| 14:46.36 | t3st3r | Though I somewhat tweaked all colors in xfce terminal to look good on black terminal. |
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| 14:47.31 | EdePopede | t3st3r: i prefer to have a real black when it is black. don't like brightening up the monitor too much. but then it is dark blue. dark as in DARK. can see that there's something, but reading, erm... |
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| 14:48.28 | t3st3r | EdePopede> realistically one have to distinguish between "light blue" and "dark blue". Exact RGB value of color isn't absolute requirement or so. |
| 14:48.34 | EdePopede | same with the 80% lightgrey fonts on webpages (the parts they don't really want you to read). only there i also get snowblind with the time |
| 14:49.12 | t3st3r | So my "dark blue" still looks rather dark (and comfortable as e.g. mc) but seems to be visible on black. |
| 14:49.18 | EdePopede | t3st3r: xterm-256color. was a party when i detected this one. mc looks MUCH better with 256 instead of just 8/16 colors. |
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| 14:49.44 | t3st3r | Maybe I've also used rather readable/good looking font & antialiasing settings. Yea it could be a bit challenging. |
| 14:49.51 | EdePopede | mc's default blue backgroud is kinda... aggressive or whatever. biting the eyes after some time |
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| 14:50.42 | bipul | Hello what kind of package is openwatcom ? |
| 14:50.56 | bipul | I am unable to find it in debian repository. |
| 14:51.04 | t3st3r | EdePopede> I do use mc for speed of file operations & navigation and ability to issue commands :) rather than for irs outfit. |
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| 14:51.53 | t3st3r | EdePopede> I've just tweaked dark-blue to be well visible on one side but not aggressive in things like mc on another side :) |
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| 14:52.24 | EdePopede | same here, but with extensions appended to the filename (we're not in DOS, right? :D) i like to have even *some* filetype coloring |
| 14:52.38 | t3st3r | it also took some fiddling with fonts and their rendering. However it proven to be good for all terminal uses. |
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| 14:54.29 | EdePopede | t3st3r: that's what i did in hexchat after installing some theme. but then there are so many levels where things could be changed. monitors, themes, rgb settings... and things have to go together somehow. and that's definitely me on the right side > https://pics.me.me/how-men-and-women-see-color-red-plum-eggplant-grape-20854116.png |
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| 14:56.08 | EdePopede | t3st3r: yep. default fonts for xterm in debian. while selecting tiny and then resizing to the biggest one should make the window wider and taller with every step inserts some smaller font on the way. irritating this is. |
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| 14:58.52 | t3st3r | Speaking for myself I don't rely much on filetypes coloring. It not seems to speed up parsing if I used sorting by extension already. |
| 14:59.06 | conrado | htop f9kill |
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| 15:01.08 | EdePopede | usually i sort by name or mdate, depending on what i'm just doing. and somehow i can ignore text in other colors, so when i go for something in brightblue i don't even really read the other filenames while my eyes fly over them. |
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| 15:02.41 | t3st3r | for me sorting by m.date is rather exotic and happens when I deal with things like browser downloads. Otherwise it rather extension, so I can locate desired kind of file faster. |
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| 15:03.58 | EdePopede | i only do it when i have to know about the latest changes. log dirs, or new files get created at that time in the dir. |
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| 15:05.37 | EdePopede | and i never use the mouse with mc. seen a guy using nc back in the old days with the mouse, it really was painful. just imagine all the steps needed to just select a destination directory and then copy a file over. |
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| 15:08.43 | t3st3r | I don't usually use mouse with mc either I guess. Recent mc also got links-like nav by arrows. Speeds up dir browsing hell a lot. |
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| 15:14.53 | EdePopede | indeed. and then directory bookmarks, user commands and history popups everywhere. but mostly it saves me from doing `ls` all the time. using those things since my dos days and never looked back (which includes everything that looks like windows explorer) |
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| 15:18.35 | t3st3r | EdePopede> I've used "nc" as well, and that one wasn't netcat :) |
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| 15:21.33 | naicen | debian china channel name? |
| 15:21.46 | EdePopede | !cn |
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| 15:21.59 | naicen | ok |
| 15:22.05 | EdePopede | hope this fits |
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| 15:35.12 | Jacquelyn | oh yes |
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| 15:47.38 | tgunr | I have noticed that nftables logging is spewing log messages into my dmesg and I would like for that to not happen. Been poking around trying to understand netfilter and logging but have not yet found anything to address where the log file is specified. At first I setup some rules in rsyslog.conf but though they work, evidently netfilter in the kernel is still sending to dmesg. How do I stop this? I need a clue. |
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| 16:04.17 | DrBunsen | Hey, during reinstall I was able to select my numeric numpad mapping. I selected the wrong one and now my keypad works like an ATM. I haven't been able to change the mapping of the keypad. I tried changing keyboard mapping and googling, but I can't figure this out. Is there anyone with an idea? |
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| 16:12.21 | BCMM | DrBunsen: have you tried `dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration`? |
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| 16:12.40 | tgunr | well, i figured mine out, use `group' in the nftable rules to send the messages to different group |
| 16:12.41 | krion | hello, trying to understand something before saturday hit my eyes ^^ |
| 16:13.15 | krion | I don't get why unattended-upgrade won't upgrade libc6 and linux-image* though they are not blacklisted in unattended upgrade configuration |
| 16:14.00 | tgunr | that unattended upgrade bit me in the ass recently |
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| 16:14.21 | tgunr | got stuck in update-initramfs and hung up |
| 16:15.15 | DrBunsen | BCMM: no mention of the numpad :( |
| 16:15.31 | tgunr | I turned it off, i will do the upgrades myself thank you so I can fix if something like that happens |
| 16:15.47 | jelly | krion: possibly because they're 100% certain to require attendance (= reboot = downtine)? |
| 16:15.56 | tgunr | Was hung up for almost 2 weeks before I noticed |
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| 16:16.45 | krion | jelly: unattended-upgrade got a auto reboot flag, so not sure (iirc) |
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| 16:19.04 | krion | gpgv [2.1.18-8~deb9u3] won't be updated either, locales neither |
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| 16:20.25 | krion | my allowed origins is ok, i really don't get it |
| 16:21.52 | jelly | ,v gpgv |
| 16:21.53 | judd | Package: gpgv on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.18-7+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.4.18-7+deb8u5; stretch-security: 2.1.18-8~deb9u2; stretch: 2.1.18-8~deb9u4; stretch-backports: 2.2.12-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.2.12-1; sid: 2.2.12-1 |
| 16:24.09 | krion | =) |
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| 16:24.43 | n0rah3ss | hello |
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| 16:29.08 | Scuzzy | HI all, anyone have any experience with video playback issues? im on a fresh install and im getting very slow, choppy playback with local content played using vlc & the pre-installed totem player. i also have the same issue for web content such as youtube, amazon & netflix etc. any help appreciated :) |
| 16:29.44 | krion | jelly: i got even more weird result when i play with my security repo mirror and debian security mirror |
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| 16:32.20 | krion | jelly: i found the debug flag, will help ;) |
| 16:33.03 | jelly | eyes ```````````` |
| 16:33.17 | ```````````` | hey cute stuff. |
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| 16:33.42 | jelly | blush |
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| 16:40.03 | BCMM | Scuzzy: what sort of graphics card have you got, and what graphics driver are you using? |
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| 16:42.46 | Scuzzy | i think the card is a nVidia 8400 series, but im unsure of the driver. everything was working fine with my previous install of 9.4.0, but i recently decided to do a fresh install of the latest 9.8.0 and this is where i find this issue. how can i find out the driver that it being used? :) |
| 16:45.01 | BCMM | Scuzzy: you could pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log if you want |
| 16:45.05 | cryptodan | the 8400 is legacy and i believe supported only up to nvidia 340 |
| 16:47.43 | Scuzzy | i just looked in /var/log/ and i dont see an Xorg file or folder? |
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| 16:49.08 | BCMM | Scuzzy: oh, are you using wayland then? |
| 16:49.29 | BCMM | i don't know much about nvidia + wayland, other than things are a bit weird due to nvidia, as a company, being a bit weird |
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| 16:50.30 | Scuzzy | im not even sure what wayland is lol, im just the ordinary user, i can figure most things out but this im having trouble with lol :) |
| 16:50.32 | n_1-c_k | My xorg logs are in ~/.local/share/xorg |
| 16:50.51 | awer | seeing this error when trying to run mimikatz.py as part of the impacket suite "ValueError: _type_ 'v' not supported" |
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| 16:51.43 | jhutchins_wk | awer: That doesn't sound like a Debian issue. |
| 16:51.51 | awer | same for 'ntlmrelayx.py' |
| 16:52.08 | awer | jhutchins_wk: yeah guess not. you knwo where would be better suited? |
| 16:52.13 | BCMM | Scuzzy: try `loginctl show-session 1 -p Type` |
| 16:52.30 | jhutchins_wk | awer: Wherever you got the python code from, or general python support. |
| 16:52.32 | BCMM | actually `echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE` might be better |
| 16:52.37 | kion | I just discovered that Debian Buster does not have ecryptfs, what should I use to encrypt things now? |
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| 16:52.54 | awer | jhutchins_wk: ok thanks |
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| 16:54.47 | Scuzzy | BCMM: returns with - Failed to get session path: No session '1' known |
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| 16:57.30 | BCMM | Scuzzy: what about `echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE` |
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| 16:58.50 | Scuzzy | BCMM: returns with X11 and nothing else :) |
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| 17:18.03 | jhutchins_wk | Scuzzy: I think we can assume that's not wayland. |
| 17:19.43 | Scuzzy | i have just run: lspci | grep VGA and it returns: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS Rev. 2] (rev a1) if that helps with anything :) |
| 17:19.46 | jhutchins_wk | I would expect /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 17:20.06 | greycat | !xorg.0.log |
| 17:20.06 | dpkg | xorg.0.log is in /var/log unless you are on stretch-or-later and running X as non-root. Then it's in ~/.local/share/xorg/~ |
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| 17:25.22 | Scuzzy | how do i search or access that directory? bit of a dumb question but i dont seem to be able to find it in the file system |
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| 17:26.40 | greycat | are you saying you don't have a /var/log directory? |
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| 17:29.18 | Scuzzy | i do have the /var/log directory, however, there is no xorg file or folder, and i also dont see any /.local/share/xorg folder. should the ~/.local/share/xorg/~ also be found in the /var/log directory? |
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| 17:31.11 | Scuzzy | i have a /var/local folder listed, but has 0 items withing |
| 17:31.14 | Scuzzy | within** |
| 17:31.22 | jelly | the bot is confused, the file is Xorg.0.log with a capital X |
| 17:31.46 | jelly | dpkg, xorg.0.log =~ s/xorg.0/Xorg.0/ |
| 17:31.46 | dpkg | jelly: OK |
| 17:31.56 | jelly | dpkg, xorg.0.log =~ s/~$// |
| 17:31.56 | dpkg | jelly: that doesn't contain '~$' |
| 17:32.12 | greycat | dpkg, no, xorg.0.log is <reply>Xorg.0.log is in /var/log/ unless you are on stretch-or-later and running X as non-root. Then it's in ~/.local/share/xorg/ instead. |
| 17:32.13 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 17:32.26 | jelly | dpkg: curse your fake sed syntax! |
| 17:32.27 | dpkg | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, your fake sed syntax!! |
| 17:32.40 | Scuzzy | jaja |
| 17:32.44 | Scuzzy | haha |
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| 17:33.00 | jelly | it is allowed to laugh in spanish. |
| 17:33.23 | Scuzzy | lmao |
| 17:33.41 | jelly | just keep the questions in english |
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| 17:35.20 | Scuzzy | will do. ok so i have just had a look through some of the other folders in /var/log and found a folder named Installer, and within is an Xorg.0.log, but i am unable to open due to permissions |
| 17:35.41 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Thank you for that. |
| 17:35.52 | Scuzzy | would this be the log i would need? |
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| 17:36.05 | greycat | If the time stamp looks correct, maybe. |
| 17:36.44 | Scuzzy | timestamped today at 14.27pm UK time |
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| 17:41.57 | Scuzzy | it looks like i will have to log in as root to be able to view the log file as it wont allow me to view or make a copy of it. |
| 17:41.59 | BCMM | Scuzzy: are you using the command line or a file manager to look for those files? |
| 17:42.17 | BCMM | Scuzzy: and do you know that files and directories beginning with "." are hidden by default? |
| 17:42.20 | Scuzzy | ive been trying both, until i found the installer folder using the GUI |
| 17:42.38 | greycat | but you're actually *in* a GUI...? |
| 17:42.43 | Scuzzy | i didnt know that |
| 17:42.44 | greycat | X is, like, running? |
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| 17:43.15 | Scuzzy | greycat: yes, full GUI |
| 17:43.23 | greycat | Is it by chance GNOME? |
| 17:43.50 | jhutchins_wk | Scuzzy: It's best to not run GUI components as root. Use su - in a terminal instead. |
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| 17:44.07 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: may be a red herring anyway, if he ran gdm3 -> gnome in stretch. |
| 17:44.09 | BCMM | Scuzzy: /var/log/installer/Xorg.0.log isn't your current Xorg logfile. it's left over from when you first installed debian |
| 17:44.15 | greycat | that's one of the cases that runs X as non-root |
| 17:44.17 | BCMM | (in case you wanted to debug the installer) |
| 17:44.28 | jhutchins_wk | BCMM: That's not true here. |
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| 17:44.42 | Scuzzy | i think it is gnome im running, i selected that and cinnamon when installing |
| 17:44.49 | BCMM | jhutchins_wk: oh, sorry. what is /var/log/installer then? |
| 17:45.00 | Scuzzy | myh desktop Ui looks fairly similar to a windows based system |
| 17:45.03 | greycat | If you run gnome by logging in from gdm3 in stretch, X gets run as non-root, so the log is in ~/.local/share/xorg/ |
| 17:45.04 | BCMM | Scuzzy: try exactly this command in the terminal: `ls ~/.local/share/xorg/` |
| 17:45.29 | greycat | I'm guessing he doesn't understand that ~ is shell syntax for "my home directory". |
| 17:46.08 | Scuzzy | BCMM: cannot access '/root/.local/share/xorg/': No such file or directory |
| 17:46.17 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 17:46.25 | greycat | NOT after doing "su -". BEFORE doing "su -". |
| 17:46.26 | BCMM | Scuzzy: are you logged in as root? |
| 17:46.28 | greycat | Or in a brand new terminal. |
| 17:46.58 | Scuzzy | greycat: no i wouldnt have know that either unfortunately. i am learning, slowly but im still learning lol |
| 17:47.01 | BCMM | Scuzzy indicated in their initial question that Totem was pre-installed, which strongly suggests Gnome |
| 17:47.20 | greycat | he was also told to do "su -" by someone well-meaning but mistaken |
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| 17:48.18 | Scuzzy | BCMM: i get the same return for that command both as non root, and also as root |
| 17:48.58 | Scuzzy | BCMM: logged in as a standard user, non root |
| 17:49.01 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: I'm running xfce from lightdm, and /var/log/Xorg.0.log appears to be owned by root (and is current). |
| 17:49.17 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: notice how you said "xfce" and "lightdm" and I said "gdm3" and "gnome" |
| 17:49.42 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Ok, so that's the difference. |
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| 17:50.13 | jhutchins_wk | I ran gnome once when I first started using a GUI and was horrified. Never went back. |
| 17:50.15 | Scuzzy | i had the option of gdm3 and lightdm when installing, gdm3 was already selected so i left it alone |
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| 17:53.09 | jelly | I log in to xfce with sddm |
| 17:55.02 | Scuzzy | BCMM: my bad, when i opened a fresh terminal, it automatically granted root due to another root terminal already being open. i have just run your command again and it as returned: Xorg.0.log Xorg.0.log.old |
| 17:55.21 | greycat | That's the one you want, then. |
| 17:55.22 | BCMM | Scuzzy: ok. that's where your xorg log is then |
| 17:55.47 | greycat | And gnome confuses yet another person by doing something incredibly unintuitive. |
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| 17:56.11 | BCMM | Scuzzy: i suspect the confusion is caused by two factors: ~ stands for your home directory (so ~/.local/share/xorg/ expands to /home/your_username/.local/share/xorg/), and .local is a hidden directory |
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| 17:56.44 | BCMM | !pastebin |
| 17:56.44 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net or https://0bin.net/ | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 17:57.16 | BCMM | Scuzzy: you can use one of the services listed above to post your ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log here |
| 17:57.26 | Scuzzy | i would never have known that lol. so i have opened both of those log files with gedit (text editor) and both are completely blank |
| 17:58.23 | greycat | does "ls -l" in a terminal show them with a size of 0 bytes? |
| 17:58.54 | BCMM | Scuzzy: that seems a little unlikely... |
| 17:59.10 | BCMM | Scuzzy: are you sure you've opened those files, and not created new files with those names in some other place? |
| 17:59.21 | greycat | oh, good guess |
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| 17:59.37 | johnnyfive | Anyone have intimate knowledge of apt? I'm building apt 1.6 inside bionic with some custom changes, and installing it, but the changes don't seem to be working. I can verify that my apt is the one running by "which apt" (/usr/local/bin/apt). Trying to nail down why the changes aren't appearing. |
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| 18:00.13 | johnnyfive | I understand this is the debian channel and not ubuntu, but it's not really distro specific afaik. I think it's an apt specific thing, but not sure where else to ask. |
| 18:00.19 | sleepingforest | has anyone been able to get the powerline fonts to work in debian? fonts-powerline package doesnt seem to display the fonts on a default powerline config |
| 18:00.23 | greycat | johnnyfive: check ldd to see which libapt*.so* files it's using? |
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| 18:00.39 | johnnyfive | greycat, ah right ty |
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| 18:01.27 | BCMM | johnnyfive: could also be using standalone executable components of your system's apt install, like /usr/lib/apt/methods/* |
| 18:02.27 | Scuzzy | greycat: it does appear that they are not empty files, it does list the Xorg.0.log as 53000 and the log.old as 47000. |
| 18:02.34 | johnnyfive | hrm, ok. Now to figure out how to override this. Thanks |
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| 18:03.13 | Scuzzy | BCMM: i used the command gedit Xorg.0.log Xorg.0.log.old and it opened gedit with both files but displayed nothing in either |
| 18:03.29 | BCMM | Scuzzy: ok, but what directory did you run that command in? |
| 18:03.30 | greycat | which directory were you in when you ran it? |
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| 18:03.43 | BCMM | Scuzzy: if you didn't cd before doing that, you'll just be trying to create those files, in your current directory |
| 18:04.06 | BCMM | (i do apologies if i'm stating the obvious, but directory is an older word for folder) |
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| 18:04.36 | greycat | As a terminal user, the work flow is "cd .local/share/xorg" and then "less X<TAB>" and let tab completion write out the filename for you. This guarantees you don't misspell the filename and that you're in a place that actually has such a file. |
| 18:04.53 | Scuzzy | ah ok, that explains what ive done there, i thought it would be similar to editing an apt sources.list |
| 18:04.58 | greycat | No, directory is the CORRECT and CURRENT word. |
| 18:05.13 | greycat | That's why ls -l shows "d" in the first column for directories. |
| 18:05.14 | Scuzzy | BCMM: i will cd it now |
| 18:05.19 | greycat | That's why find -type d shows directories. |
| 18:06.03 | greycat | That's why test -d tests whether something is a directory. And so on. |
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| 18:07.47 | nkuttler | a folder is something where you see the thing at the top first. i have never seen a file manager that displays files inside directory as they would look in a folder |
| 18:07.58 | nkuttler | shrugs |
| 18:08.26 | greycat | Windows users call them "folders", totally abandoning the decades of history when MS-DOS used "dir" to show the files in a dir-ectory. |
| 18:08.48 | Scuzzy | ok i finally got there lol. sorry guys. https://pastebin.com/usGxX5WQ |
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| 18:09.56 | BCMM | greycat: to be pedantic, it originates with Xerox (like all basic UI concepts in windows) |
| 18:11.09 | greycat | And the reason it's called a directory is because of how the original unix file system works. A directory in a phone book. You look up a person's name and get their phone number. Or in the case of files, you look up a file name and get its inode number. |
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| 18:11.20 | greycat | s/in a/is a/ |
| 18:11.33 | BCMM | Scuzzy: ok, you're using "nouveau", the open-source driver for nvidia cards which is maintained by the community. do you have an opinion on whether you want to use that, or the official closed-source driver from nvidia? |
| 18:12.00 | Scuzzy | im sure you guys can tell i have only been using debian for around 1 year. its like a whole different world compared to windows. i am however, learning as i go and trying to get used to the terminal. |
| 18:12.18 | Scuzzy | BCMM: where would i look to see if i have this option? :) |
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| 18:12.43 | BCMM | Scuzzy: you definitely have the option of using either driver. but you're using nouveau at the moment. |
| 18:12.57 | Scuzzy | would i check the nvidia website for the driver? |
| 18:13.05 | BCMM | no, you can install it through debian |
| 18:13.08 | greycat | No, just answer BCMM's questions. |
| 18:13.09 | BCMM | usually people who want to play recent video games use the proprietary driver from nvidia |
| 18:13.26 | BCMM | otherwise nouveau is fine, for older hardware |
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| 18:13.48 | BCMM | in theory, both drivers should support hardware accelerated video decoding on your card |
| 18:13.51 | BCMM | see https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/VideoAcceleration/ |
| 18:14.03 | BCMM | so i'm not quite sure why video is choppy... |
| 18:14.40 | johnnyfive | Thanks BCMM and greycat resolving those issues caused apt to begin using my custom compilation. |
| 18:14.55 | BCMM | oh! what about firmware! |
| 18:15.26 | Scuzzy | my system is not capable of playing video games, its mainly just used for amazon, netflix etc. |
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| 18:15.58 | BCMM | Scuzzy: it's possible that video decode isn't working because you don't have the firmware needed by your graphics card's video decoding unit |
| 18:16.06 | Scuzzy | BCMM: i will check that website out now. |
| 18:16.34 | BCMM | Scuzzy: you don't really need to look at that site, just citing my claim that video decode should work |
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| 18:16.58 | BCMM | Scuzzy: easiest way to check the firmware is to run `dmesg | grep -i firmware` - you'll see an error message if the system tried to load a firmware file, but couldn't find it |
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| 18:19.56 | Scuzzy | BCMM: i just used that command and i got no errors |
| 18:20.32 | BCMM | Scuzzy: any output at all? |
| 18:20.56 | Scuzzy | nothing, as soon as i hit enter, terminal was ready to accept another command |
| 18:21.44 | sleepingforest | ok, it appears i needed the fonts for powerline from the powerline-git repo and i needed to enable bitmap fonts for Terminus |
| 18:21.55 | sleepingforest | can anyone edit the debian wiki? |
| 18:22.06 | sleepingforest | or only authorized members? |
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| 18:31.29 | Scuzzy | I going to head off for the night. thank you to BCMM and greycat for all your help. I will likely be back at it tomorrow and will join the channel and let you guys know how im getting on with the issue. thanks again :) |
| 18:32.08 | owen | Hey yall im awake |
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| 18:33.51 | BCMM | sleepingforest: "Automatic account creation disabled to stop spammers signing up. Please contact wiki@debian.org and describe what you want to do in the wiki.." |
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| 18:38.37 | KOLANICH | Hello everybody. How to add a package into contrib? |
| 18:39.21 | tgunr | prxmox really needs to switch to nftables |
| 18:40.13 | phazon | KOLANICH: https://mentors.debian.net/ |
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| 18:42.58 | marz | Does Debian update the software at all in stable? I notice a lot of the software is from the 2017 freeze. |
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| 18:43.07 | greycat | !stable |
| 18:43.07 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Stretch (9.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 18:43.32 | marz | Damn |
| 18:43.43 | marz | Thatâs a long time with any bumps |
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| 18:46.56 | marz | Things work better for me on buster than stretch for me. |
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| 18:47.23 | platypo | vvor:? |
| 18:47.52 | platypo | hi |
| 18:49.03 | platypo | my question: using debian 9 i can't get to the graphical login. Recovery mode or other ttys are working though. When i mount /dev/mapper/home\var\tmp manually in recovery mode i get to the loginmanager. I am not sure how to fix it, editing fstab didn't work |
| 18:49.09 | vvor | Can you get to a non GUI login? |
| 18:49.28 | platypo | vvor: yes. I can launch recovery mode or other ttys |
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| 18:51.07 | vvor | When you can not get to the GUI login can you Ctrl+Alt+F3 and get a NON-GUI login? |
| 18:51.59 | platypo | yes |
| 18:52.38 | platypo | that or a root-shell (recovery mode at grub menu). |
| 18:54.21 | platypo | like said whan i mount the partitions for /var, /home, /tmp from there and exit the root shell i get to the gui login fine |
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| 18:55.36 | cmptr | When I do lspci | grep VGA only the Intel driver is shown, and not the Nvidia one. I have installed nvidia-driver and ran nvidia-modprobe and nvidia-modprobe -m followed by a reboot and the nvidia-driver still does not show. |
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| 18:56.22 | BCMM | cmptr: lspci is showing you *hardware*, not drivers |
| 18:56.39 | BCMM | cmptr: ... do you actually have an nvidia graphics card? |
| 18:56.40 | cmptr | Okay well that is even worse then. |
| 18:56.43 | cmptr | Yes I do. |
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| 18:57.11 | cmptr | I'm on a laptop zenboook UX550GE |
| 18:57.21 | cmptr | It has a gtx 1050Ti |
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| 18:58.01 | BCMM | cmptr: i guess that's an optimus machine? https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
| 18:58.38 | cmptr | On my PC that has a GTX 1080Ti, it wasn't and I just used the nvidia-driver package. |
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| 18:59.57 | cmptr | Oh, optimus is for laptops. |
| 19:00.20 | platypo | vvor: i hope for some duct-tape fix for this issue so i can use this setup until debian 10 is out |
| 19:01.45 | cmptr | Only 199 more bugs to be fixex. :) |
| 19:01.52 | cmptr | Fixed* |
| 19:02.37 | vvor | platypo: Login form the Non-GUI option (with C-A-F3) *not from recovery mode* & reinstall the GUI login manager. |
| 19:03.16 | cryptodan | nvidia-prime replaced bumblebee |
| 19:03.45 | platypo | vvor: KDE Plasma has no seperate login manager es far as i know |
| 19:03.52 | platypo | (wich is what i'm using) |
| 19:03.55 | KOLANICH | phazon: Does debian accept packages built fully automatically without human intervention? I mean building a package on every succesful CI pipeline |
| 19:04.47 | BCMM | platypo: KDE's standard display manager is SDDM |
| 19:05.14 | cmptr | Is there a way to undo what ever nvidia-modprobe did? |
| 19:05.40 | platypo | BCMM thank you |
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| 19:09.06 | vvor | platypo: You can try to restart BCMM before reinstalling it. |
| 19:09.16 | platypo | vvor: just did that |
| 19:09.26 | vvor | And... |
| 19:09.29 | BCMM | i'm not a display manager |
| 19:09.32 | platypo | vvor: it didn't work |
| 19:09.37 | platypo | sry BCMM |
| 19:09.41 | BCMM | :) |
| 19:10.08 | platypo | vvor: it isn't supposed to be run by systemd |
| 19:10.29 | vvor | Did you reinstall/ |
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| 19:10.35 | vvor | ? |
| 19:10.36 | platypo | reenable |
| 19:10.50 | platypo | is dpkg-reconfigure a possibility? |
| 19:11.24 | vvor | Yep. But I would just reinstall. |
| 19:11.43 | platypo | vvor: ok... |
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| 19:14.30 | platypo | vvor: i just tried dpkg reconfigure. I'll have to restart now. |
| 19:15.26 | vvor | See you soon... |
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| 19:26.01 | platypo | vvor: apt-get install --reinstall sddm exited with error code 2. I'm not sure what happens after next reboot |
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| 19:27.54 | yokowka | heavenO everysoul!!!! when will appear debian 10? |
| 19:28.23 | vvor | platypo: Did you apt-get update & apt-get upgarde before all this started? |
| 19:28.53 | greycat | When it's ready. |
| 19:29.09 | vvor | platypo: Are you fully apt-dated |
| 19:29.41 | platypo | vvor: i should have thought of that before: apt isn't working properly wich is why i am in this mess in the first place |
| 19:30.05 | vvor | O^o |
| 19:30.21 | vvor | So lets apt-get update & apt-get upgarde first... |
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| 19:30.55 | vvor | Login without GUI is fine. |
| 19:31.17 | platypo | vvor: how do i start x from cli without root privileges? |
| 19:31.31 | vvor | No x |
| 19:31.36 | platypo | here is what apt-get update gives me https://paste.debian.net/1076348/ |
| 19:31.45 | vvor | Just sudo apt-get update & apt-get upgarde |
| 19:32.11 | platypo | vvor: yes the question regarding x was hypothetical |
| 19:33.05 | platypo | i supposed a corrupt filesystem and i guess my attempts to fix this messed up lvm somehow. |
| 19:33.58 | SerajewelKS | ah i remember this paste :) |
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| 19:34.25 | platypo | Hello SerajewelKS |
| 19:34.30 | SerajewelKS | o/ |
| 19:35.00 | SerajewelKS | can you try 'rm -fr /var/lib/apt/lists/*' as root? then re-run apt-get update? |
| 19:35.18 | SerajewelKS | maybe run memtest on this system to rule out RAM failure? |
| 19:35.19 | platypo | SerajewelKS did all that allready a while ago, didn't help |
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| 19:35.35 | Kobaz | is there a way to get dhclient do not set a default gateway |
| 19:35.41 | Kobaz | i basically just want to query for an ip |
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| 19:38.51 | platypo | vvor: so basically apt-get fails retrieving updates |
| 19:39.22 | vvor | platypo: wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debian-archive-keyring/debian-archive-keyring_2017.5_all.deb |
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| 19:40.16 | vvor | And install it: sudo dpkg -i debian-archive-keyring_2017.5_all.deb |
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| 19:41.19 | platypo | vvor error: |
| 19:41.22 | platypo | dpkg: warning: 'start-stop-daemon' not found in PATH or not executable |
| 19:41.22 | dpkg | platypo: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 19:41.28 | SerajewelKS | vvor: we went over that before. the key files are there, which makes it even weirder. |
| 19:41.39 | SerajewelKS | platypo: good lord. this box is fucked then, that's a system script. |
| 19:41.50 | SerajewelKS | vvor: (like a week ago i think) |
| 19:41.59 | SerajewelKS | platypo: wipe the system and restore it from a backup |
| 19:42.01 | greycat | platypo: is this on buster? |
| 19:42.08 | platypo | greycat no, stretch |
| 19:42.21 | greycat | well, either your PATH is messed up, or something is badly broken |
| 19:42.37 | platypo | greycat PATH is an env variable right? |
| 19:42.40 | greycat | yes |
| 19:42.58 | SerajewelKS | considering weird read errors in random directories, apt-key showing keys but apt-get update complaining that said keys are missing, i think this box is done |
| 19:43.03 | greycat | On stretch, when you do "su" or "sudo", it should put /sbin and /usr/sbin into PATH for you. |
| 19:43.20 | platypo | one sec |
| 19:43.35 | SerajewelKS | run memtest and check smart status of the disks. my guess is one or both will show faults. |
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| 19:43.46 | platypo | $PATH as root gives: bash: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin: No such file or directory |
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| 19:44.13 | greycat | OK, then you're missing some programs that are supposed to be there. |
| 19:45.04 | platypo | greycat: this is bad |
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| 19:45.50 | SerajewelKS | you need to verify that the hardware is good before going further |
| 19:46.01 | platypo | smart properties of the device are all good |
| 19:46.19 | vvor | platypo: You did have an LVM or file system problems before that? |
| 19:46.30 | SerajewelKS | ok. burn the memtest iso and boot from that and let it run for a few hours. |
| 19:46.39 | platypo | vvor: no, everything worked fine |
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| 19:47.16 | vvor | What's the filesystem? |
| 19:47.32 | platypo | vvor:? |
| 19:47.43 | vvor | ext4? |
| 19:47.47 | platypo | SerajewelKS: problem is: memtest86 isn't installed |
| 19:47.56 | vvor | NTFS |
| 19:47.57 | SerajewelKS | platypo: does the system have an optical drive? |
| 19:47.58 | vvor | :) |
| 19:48.07 | platypo | vvor: everything ext4 except /boot |
| 19:48.15 | platypo | SerajewelKS: no |
| 19:48.49 | SerajewelKS | platypo: assuming it has USB then. download the appropriate memtest image onto a different system, put it on a spare USB key and boot the other system from it. https://www.memtest.org/#downiso |
| 19:49.31 | SerajewelKS | platypo: do you have backups of this system? |
| 19:49.52 | platypo | SerajewelKS: yes |
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| 19:52.29 | vvor | platypo: dmesg | grep -i --color error |
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| 19:53.28 | platypo | vvor: among other things i get this: [ 10.935159] EXT4-fs (dm-0): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro |
| 19:53.54 | SerajewelKS | that's normal |
| 19:53.55 | platypo | the other lines are about an usb-device i don't think that concerns my issue |
| 19:55.00 | vvor | platypo: e2fsck -vf /dev/sdX |
| 19:55.14 | platypo | vvor: from Terminal? |
| 19:55.25 | SerajewelKS | not a good idea while the filesystem is mounted rw |
| 19:55.46 | SerajewelKS | it would be dm-0 anyway |
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| 19:56.27 | platypo | vvor: what is the difference between e2fsck and fsck? |
| 19:56.33 | greycat | if you want to force an fsck of the root file system, the only way I know is to boot from alternative media (installer, rescue CD, etc.) |
| 19:56.49 | greycat | e2fsck is specific to ext2/ext3/ext4 |
| 19:57.01 | greycat | fsck is a wrapper that calls the appropriate one |
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| 19:57.07 | SerajewelKS | greycat: there's also the 'touch /forcefsck && reboot' trick |
| 19:57.12 | greycat | SerajewelKS: not in systemd |
| 19:57.17 | SerajewelKS | ah right, systemd |
| 19:57.22 | platypo | SerajevelKS i think forcefsck is obsolete now |
| 19:57.32 | greycat | apparently nobody has created a way to do that in systemd yet |
| 19:57.46 | greycat | or if they have, we don't know it |
| 19:57.56 | SerajewelKS | of course not, why should you ever need to check you root filesystem if you're running systemd |
| 19:58.02 | SerajewelKS | your* |
| 19:58.37 | platypo | i don't get it. I did fsck on /var from rescue CD before and it didn't show any errors |
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| 19:59.53 | platypo | thanks for your help all, btw |
| 19:59.54 | SerajewelKS | i mean you're missing system utilities, i think trying to repair it is a lost cause at this point |
| 20:00.17 | platypo | SerajewelKS ok but how does it run in the first place? |
| 20:00.17 | greycat | and they're missing from root, not from /var |
| 20:00.30 | platypo | greycat: this is new, scince yesterday |
| 20:00.46 | SerajewelKS | greycat: right but we're also seeing weird errors reading files from /var/lib/apt |
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| 20:01.04 | SerajewelKS | my money is on bad disk or bad ram |
| 20:01.07 | greycat | well, "dpkg -S /sbin/start-stop-daemon" shows that it's in the dpkg package. So to get that one back, for example, you need to reinstall the dpkg package. |
| 20:01.15 | cmptr | How can I identiy what display driver is currently being used? |
| 20:01.34 | SerajewelKS | platypo: just because there is some damage doesn't mean everything is damaged. obviously enough isn't damaged that the kernel can boot and the userspace can somewhat start. |
| 20:01.38 | greycat | cmptr: find the X log file, read it by hand. There is no single command that will just spit out the answer. You need human intelligence. |
| 20:02.00 | greycat | Because the X log file shows *multiple* drivers, but only the one that shows up a lot is the one it's finally using. |
| 20:02.21 | platypo | SerajewelKS i think other sbin commands run fine |
| 20:02.33 | SerajewelKS | platypo: because they aren't missing/damaged, yes |
| 20:02.43 | greycat | platypo: what else is missing besides start-stop-daemon? |
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| 20:03.08 | platypo | greycat i don't know how to determine this |
| 20:03.11 | SerajewelKS | platypo: you're on a boat and there's a leak. is your answer "okay but not ALL the rooms are flooding, maybe i can just close the door to that room?" or do you get the hell off? |
| 20:03.37 | platypo | SerajewelKS: yes my hope was to keep it running until Debian Buster is out |
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| 20:04.13 | SerajewelKS | considering i've seen you around for a few weeks dealing with these strange issues, i'd say that probably not feasible |
| 20:04.25 | SerajewelKS | unless the system is non-critical. then just turn it off and wait for buster. |
| 20:05.06 | platypo | SerajewelKS that takes ages... i need another solution i guess |
| 20:05.17 | vvor | platypo: Boot from a live CD. check: HDD, RAM. come back if it passes. |
| 20:05.18 | greycat | SerajewelKS: in the boat analogy, I'd take note of the size and location of the leak. |
| 20:05.41 | platypo | vvor: isn't ram checked at POST? |
| 20:05.44 | SerajewelKS | indeed. that's why i'm suggesting to look at disk smart indicators and run memtest. |
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| 20:06.01 | SerajewelKS | platypo: "checked" the way you open the hood of your car and say "yeah this all looks fine" |
| 20:06.09 | SerajewelKS | you're only going to catch obvious problems |
| 20:06.41 | SerajewelKS | memtest runs lots of different tests and tries to stress the RAM |
| 20:06.48 | platypo | I am not familiar with memtest. I have it now as pre compiled gz archive. I'll burn it to a disk scince the M/B doesn't support USB booting |
| 20:06.59 | SerajewelKS | burn it to a disk? |
| 20:07.10 | SerajewelKS | i asked you if the system has an optical drive earlier and you said no |
| 20:07.24 | vvor | platypo: Get https://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ OR http://www.trinityhome.org/Home/index.php?content=TRINITY_RESCUE_KIT____CPR_FOR_YOUR_COMPUTER&front_id=12&lang=en&locale=en |
| 20:07.31 | platypo | SerajewelKS: oh optical... i mistook it for holographical and thought it was a joke |
| 20:07.54 | SerajewelKS | :P |
| 20:08.05 | vvor | You need memtest for the RAM they both have it. |
| 20:08.21 | cmptr | It says video bus is tagged as keyboard... Does that sound normal? |
| 20:08.21 | vvor | And HDD test too. |
| 20:08.37 | platypo | vvor: ok thanks so far |
| 20:08.47 | vvor | You burn them to USB and run the test. |
| 20:08.49 | platypo | it is for ext too |
| 20:09.03 | SerajewelKS | ext? |
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| 20:09.22 | platypo | ext file system |
| 20:09.31 | SerajewelKS | ??? is what for ext? |
| 20:09.39 | SerajewelKS | what are you asking? |
| 20:09.51 | platypo | the HDD test from ultimatebootcd/cpr_kit |
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| 20:10.25 | SerajewelKS | ah |
| 20:10.38 | cmptr | But it does seem that the driver still being used is Intel. |
| 20:10.53 | vvor | platypo: Do only generic test, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A BACKUP!!! |
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| 20:11.43 | platypo | generic != proprietary? Or is that a menu option in the program? |
| 20:11.44 | vvor | platypo: Start with memtest, if fails your done. Get new RAM. |
| 20:12.34 | vvor | platypo: The HDD manufactures proprietary test are fine. |
| 20:12.34 | platypo | ok ok, i think i get it. I'll burn the ultimatebootcd iso to disk now for start |
| 20:14.00 | karlpinc | vvor: Used to be that the BIOS ram tests were barely adequate. Nice thing about running memtest86+ is that you can run it overnight to give the hardware the chance to come up to temperature and catch heat-related problems. |
| 20:14.20 | vvor | platypo: Ahhh See you sooooon :) |
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| 20:15.30 | vvor | karlpinc: platypo In this case I would start with a quick one pass test. |
| 20:15.53 | gubernator | Hello -- According to my bluetooth settings, I am connected to a bluetooth device, but my audio is playing through my laptop speakers. Running Debian KDE. |
| 20:16.39 | gubernator | Debian Stable, that is |
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| 20:18.43 | phazon | KOLANICH: you'd need to supply build scripts / configs that can duplicate the binary; ideally 1:1 with a reproducible build |
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| 20:21.06 | phazon | KOLANICH: this can further be discussed in the wnpp and with the mentor/sponsor; they're usually a helpful bunch |
| 20:22.58 | phazon | they'll at least help you get the pkg into experimental; if you wish to pursue it further and get into sid is entirely up to you |
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| 20:33.35 | phazon | KOLANICH: you may also try #debian-mentors over at irc.oftc.net |
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| 21:05.01 | ksk | ,v phpmyadmin |
| 21:05.02 | judd | Package: phpmyadmin on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.2.12-2+deb8u2; jessie-security: 4:4.2.12-2+deb8u5; stretch: 4:4.6.6-4; sid: 4:4.6.6-5 |
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| 21:10.09 | platypo | ok i'll try the system recovery. See you soon or maybe not. Thank you for helping |
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| 21:24.12 | Deihmos | unstable and sid repo are the same right ? |
| 21:24.24 | Deihmos | some say to change repo to sid and others say unstable |
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| 21:28.35 | allorder | yes |
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| 21:30.53 | Deihmos | I thought there was no way to install it but i see it listed as an option on the mini.iso |
| 21:31.39 | cheapie | Deihmos: You're only supposed to choose it on there if you want to test new versions of debian-installer. |
| 21:31.57 | cheapie | (or something like that, the details are kinda vague) |
| 21:32.19 | cheapie | If you just want to install sid, AFAIK the recommended way is to install stable and then upgrade. |
| 21:32.37 | Deihmos | Thatâs what I read |
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| 21:33.38 | greycat | At this particular moment in time, installing buster (alpha installer) and upgrading is also feasible. |
| 21:34.00 | greycat | This gives the benefit of extra testing of the buster installer. Though YOU may not necessarily see that as a benefit. |
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| 21:36.58 | UserUS | so Jessie was removed from the mirror network for debian is that correct? |
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| 21:38.38 | greycat | Only jessie-updates. |
| 21:38.43 | greycat | well, and backports. |
| 21:39.44 | greycat | Backports were archived, I believe, and jessie-updates is simply gone. |
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| 21:44.24 | UserUS | greycat, I have a GitHub enterprise with backports, should I just update it to deb.archive? |
| 21:47.12 | karlpinc | UserUS: You may as well just remove jessie-updates. There won't be updates aside from whatever happens with long-term support to the regular repo. |
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| 21:53.27 | UserUS | karlpinc, ok thanks |
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| 22:14.49 | dlam | i need to install specifically python3.6 on debian "buster" ...anyone know good way to do that? maybe some repository has it? |
| 22:15.08 | plantroon1 | which config mgmt is Debian using for its infrastructure? |
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| 22:18.47 | plantroon1 | dlam: maybe try pyenv? https://anil.io/blog/python/pyenv/using-pyenv-to-install-multiple-python-versions-tox/ |
| 22:19.11 | aloo_shu | plantroon1: infrastructure meaning OS? |
| 22:19.43 | plantroon1 | aloo_shu: I remember reading a website where the infrastructure used to host Debian services themselves was described. But I can't find that page anymore. |
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| 22:20.19 | dlam | ooo I googled this one `sudo apt-get -t testing install python3.6` |
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| 22:20.33 | aloo_shu | ah, ok, not me ) |
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| 22:33.09 | ctcrnitv | I'm running into a problem with Digital Ocean droplet |
| 22:33.36 | ctcrnitv | trying to run the command to run apache but I get an error about ssh key |
| 22:33.53 | ctcrnitv | (I don't really know what I'm doing obviously I'm new to all of this) |
| 22:33.58 | mason | ctcrnitv: Debug ssh and then look at the apache issue. |
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| 23:04.48 | Pendrag0n | I have a screenrc file that auto-starts 5 unique windows, each doing their own thing. I want to auto join on window 0. I know if the session already exists, I can run "screen -x -p0" but how do I do it when the session doesn't exist, upon executing screen for the first time, from the screenrc file? |
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| 23:42.25 | qwertypoiualskdj | where do i get debian from? |
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| 23:43.52 | qwertypoiualskdj | i need cd-rom |
| 23:44.08 | cheapie | qwertypoiualskdj: debian.org, in most cases. |
| 23:44.22 | qwertypoiualskdj | but if i have a 56k modem |
| 23:44.29 | qwertypoiualskdj | is there a place to order a cdrom? |
| 23:44.45 | cheapie | Yes: https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
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| 23:45.45 | qwertypoiualskdj | cool |
| 23:45.46 | cheapie | You could also ask someone nearby with a faster connection to download it for you - this may be easier. |
| 23:45.55 | qwertypoiualskdj | there is not any person nearby |
| 23:46.11 | qwertypoiualskdj | i live in the storm drain under an abandobed farm house |
| 23:46.17 | qwertypoiualskdj | so the conspiracy cannot affect me |
| 23:46.24 | cheapie | Well, you'll probably have to order discs then. |
| 23:46.59 | cheapie | See if you can get a full set (the 14-DVD set or whatever), as that way you can install software without having to download anything. |
| 23:46.59 | qwertypoiualskdj | good. now i gotta go find a place to shit |
| 23:47.13 | qwertypoiualskdj | all heil the lord hitler |
| 23:47.18 | qwertypoiualskdj | lol poopy penis dong |
| 23:47.52 | qwertypoiualskdj | lol poopy penis dong |
| 23:50.01 | qwertypoiualskdj | mueller is trying to erase all trump supporters from the earth using a combination of gas chambers and nuclear radiation from his radioactive old-person farts |
| 23:51.22 | c0ckp3n1s | I LIKE OATS |
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