| 00:00.21 | gislaved | SerajewelKS found :) and done |
| 00:00.34 | gislaved | mawk thanks as well! |
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| 00:25.27 | teclo- | ~version firefox-esr |
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| 00:28.44 | shibboleth | say you wanna back up data to a JBOD by lvm or md |
| 00:29.37 | shibboleth | and one drive fails. i'm specifically not looking to do mirroring here |
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| 00:30.37 | shibboleth | now, i can activate the LVM using --partial but using say ext4 on the logical volume it seems as if there is no way to recovery only the data stored on each drive |
| 00:31.14 | shibboleth | can i add each new drive as a logical volume in the same volume group and mount each new one as an overlay on top of the previous one? |
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| 00:54.49 | whislock | The problem with that is that you're assuming that no vital ext4 structures existed on the disk that died. |
| 00:58.46 | shibboleth | i am assuming so |
| 00:59.11 | shibboleth | i did, however, think lvm offered a way to let each disk be it's own snapshot |
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| 01:00.39 | whislock | You need to ask your question in the channel that corresponds to the actual distro you're using. |
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| 01:05.53 | shibboleth | i use both/either. man, it's great that you have such a sense of propriety when it comes to dispensing advice |
| 01:06.37 | whislock | Or you could respect the channel's topic and not waste the time of the people in the channel. |
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| 01:07.25 | outoftime | Trying to add binding to i3 config "bindsym XF86AudioPrev exec --no-startup-id mpc prev" but it doest work. Manual execution works perfectly. Multimedia keys for volume works so I suppose keyboard is alive. |
| 01:09.15 | shibboleth | whislock, much like you are doing complaining about something you can't possibly know to be true? |
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| 01:09.57 | shibboleth | anyway. i'll shut down the arch vm to keep within channel guidelines |
| 01:09.59 | shibboleth | my bad |
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| 01:20.05 | outoftime | How to get keycodes for names like XF86AudioPrev ? |
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| 01:51.44 | trysten | dpkg: multimedia keys |
| 01:51.44 | dpkg | Multimedia keys are the special keyboard keys for doing such things as changing the volume or launching your web browser. Check to see if these keys generate a scan code using xev and set the keyboard layout correctly or assign them to a shortcut with xmodmap, systemsettings, gnome-control-panel etc. See also <pbbuttons>, <tpb>. See http://tuxmobil.org/Mobile-Guide.db/mobile-guide-p2c1s8-ext-keys.html |
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| 02:20.15 | outoftime | trysten: `xev` shows strange output, I can get keycodes only from `showkey`. |
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| 02:44.25 | uvcontact | qhere then be debian on the co,mp but when it loads up then it goes to a screen |
| 02:44.28 | uvcontact | ask me for password |
| 02:46.26 | dvs | a lock and a text box? |
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| 02:46.42 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
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| 02:48.26 | tobiasBora | I'm thinking to change my filesystem to a more "modern" one. Basically, I'd like: 1) sub-volumes without fixed size (like in ZFS) 2) compression 3) encryption on sub-volumes that are compatible with the compression. |
| 02:49.12 | tobiasBora | I was thinking to use ZFS like I already do with another system (nixos), but debian seems pretty hard to install with zfs, so I'm thinking that you may have a better solution? |
| 02:51.18 | tobiasBora | I don't think that btrfs provides (sub-volume) encryption, do you know a way to have encryption on sub-volume encryption for btrfs (or any good fs) |
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| 02:55.59 | pingfloyd | tobiasBora: zfs is out of tree |
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| 02:58.39 | tobiasBora | pingfloyd: due to licence issue I think, but it's still possible to create an installer that packs zfs on top of linux |
| 02:58.46 | tobiasBora | (I thinkà |
| 02:58.48 | tobiasBora | ) |
| 02:58.58 | pingfloyd | yes, due to sun's poor choice of license |
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| 02:59.22 | tobiasBora | yes, I think it's stupid also, but... |
| 02:59.34 | pingfloyd | so that presents extra hoops to jump though |
| 02:59.36 | pingfloyd | through |
| 02:59.40 | tobiasBora | but if zfs is not the solution, do you have an alternative |
| 03:01.21 | pingfloyd | encryption is a planned feature for btrfs, but you could use dm-crypt you know |
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| 03:09.02 | tobiasBora | pingfloyd: can you have subvolume encryption with dm-crypt? (I'm quite new to this) And if yes I guess it breaks the compression right? (but no problem with disk encryption if I understand correctly) |
| 03:10.30 | SerajewelKS | teclo-: 60.5.1esr is in debian |
| 03:11.27 | SerajewelKS | tobiasBora: unless you're using different settings, sub-volumes aren't really useful. a single ext4 volume would work just fine, for example. |
| 03:12.03 | tobiasBora | SerajewelKS: well I want to have separate /, /home, and /nix at least... |
| 03:12.11 | SerajewelKS | tobiasBora: for what reason? |
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| 03:13.24 | SerajewelKS | if you want separate subvolumes then it sounds like you want to manage something just to manage something, not to actually accomplish anything useful |
| 03:13.37 | tobiasBora | SerajewelKS: for sharing /home and /nix between several OS's for example, and also because reinstalling an OS when the /home partition is not separated can lead to mistake and data lose... |
| 03:13.57 | SerajewelKS | what even is /nix? |
| 03:14.15 | SerajewelKS | (also you don't need subvolumes to accomplish that) |
| 03:14.30 | SerajewelKS | and if "when the /home partition is not separated can lead to mistake and data lose" then it sounds like you aren't taking backups |
| 03:14.34 | tobiasBora | SerajewelKS: a folder created by the package manager nix https://nixos.org/nix/ (it's amazing) |
| 03:14.49 | SerajewelKS | even with subvolumes, a mistake can lead to data loss (you opt to format the volume accidentally) |
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| 03:15.10 | SerajewelKS | nothing you've said can't be accomplished with a single volume |
| 03:15.37 | tobiasBora | SerajewelKS: you can share /home between two OS's with a single volume? |
| 03:15.41 | SerajewelKS | i mean you can do what you want, it's your system |
| 03:15.46 | SerajewelKS | tobiasBora: sure, why not? |
| 03:16.11 | uvcontact | Times are bad when package managers that allow proper granularity are considered sexy. |
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| 03:16.41 | SerajewelKS | tobiasBora: btrfs is already one volume. subvolumes are just pretending anyway. |
| 03:16.43 | uvcontact | Package management ought to be considered maybe the most banal and boring of problems with a solution that just makes it *go away* so you can do what you actually need to d. |
| 03:16.52 | tobiasBora | SerajewelKS: really? Then I misunderstood the use of subvolume. It's not supposed to be more or less like a partition? |
| 03:17.05 | SerajewelKS | tobiasBora: it's a namespace that shares a storage pool |
| 03:17.18 | teclo- | SerajewelKS: hi :) well the about dialog in Firefox says it's 60.5.0esr |
| 03:17.30 | SerajewelKS | teclo-: then you're missing the stretch/updates repository |
| 03:17.52 | SerajewelKS | teclo-: (or you haven't run an update+upgrade in awhile) |
| 03:18.27 | teclo- | I tried using the uhhh ±version keyword with the local bots |
| 03:18.27 | SerajewelKS | tobiasBora: one use i can see for subvolumes is to have multiple / volumes share the same storage pool |
| 03:18.34 | SerajewelKS | ,v firefox-esr |
| 03:18.36 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 60.4.0esr-1; stretch: 60.5.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.5.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 60.5.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.5.1esr-1 |
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| 03:18.50 | teclo- | tobiasBora: yes, ZFS's licence is incompatible with the Debian Social Contract |
| 03:19.02 | teclo- | ah there it is SerajewelKS :) |
| 03:19.06 | tobiasBora | SerajewelKS: well that's what I mean when I say that 2 OS has access to the same /home |
| 03:19.31 | SerajewelKS | tobiasBora: you can have them have access to the same /home without subvolumes. but it's much harder to have them each have their own / _within the same pool_ |
| 03:19.53 | SerajewelKS | tobiasBora: one system could mount the other's / under /mnt then bind-mount or symlink /home |
| 03:20.16 | SerajewelKS | it's not like "use this directory from another volume" is a novel concept that btrfs invented |
| 03:20.16 | tobiasBora | uvcontact: well the way nixos it's define, and purity, make lot's of things amazingly easy to do. For example I can create an iso with a custom set of packages in a single line command. |
| 03:20.37 | tobiasBora | uvcontact: you also have all your system defined in a single file |
| 03:20.41 | SerajewelKS | tobiasBora: (debian's live-tools does much the same thing btw) |
| 03:21.14 | tobiasBora | uvcontact: you can go back to a previous version by simply choosing another entry in grub |
| 03:21.31 | teclo- | SerajewelKS: the Firefox on the debian-LiveCD says it's 60.5.0est |
| 03:21.34 | teclo- | esr* |
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| 03:21.44 | SerajewelKS | teclo-: the CD must have been built before the update, i guess? |
| 03:21.53 | tobiasBora | uvcontact: you can automatize the packaging, fix issues with parallel versions... |
| 03:22.12 | teclo- | SerajewelKS: but, what'as the difference betwen stecth and strecth-security ? |
| 03:22.28 | SerajewelKS | teclo-: stretch-security is maintained by the debian security team |
| 03:22.42 | tobiasBora | teclo-: what is this incompatibility? |
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| 03:24.51 | teclo- | tobiasBora: well ZFS uses the CDDL license and Debian and Linux use the GPL license |
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| 03:28.42 | teclo- | SerajewelKS: so I guess I need to either do "apt update" next time I use the LiveCD or wait until the 9.9 livecd is out |
| 03:28.48 | tobiasBora | teclo-: but nobody seems to know why they are not compatible ^^ |
| 03:29.02 | tobiasBora | "For instance the FSF considered the CDDL incompatible to their GPL license, without going into detail until 2016" |
| 03:29.25 | SerajewelKS | i don't think debian cares about the license compatibility? as long as the license is DFSG-free. |
| 03:29.34 | SerajewelKS | perhaps the CDDL isn't considered DFSG-free |
| 03:29.58 | teclo- | SerajewelKS: probably the CDDL isn't recognized by the DFSG |
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| 03:30.57 | teclo- | SerajewelKS: 9,7 was released on 23 jan and 9.8 on 16 febr |
| 03:31.21 | SerajewelKS | hmm google says the CDDL is DFSG-approved |
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| 03:33.09 | SerajewelKS | teclo-: this might be a good read: https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2016/feb/25/zfs-and-linux/ |
| 03:34.44 | SerajewelKS | teclo-: the tl;dr is that GPL requires that you distribute the source of a program "combined" with a GPL program under the GPL. the CDDL says that you can't relicense the work under any other license, even if it's otherwise-compatible. |
| 03:34.59 | SerajewelKS | teclo-: so the solutios is (as many do): build the binary yourself and don't distribute it |
| 03:35.03 | SerajewelKS | solution( |
| 03:35.08 | SerajewelKS | solution* man i can't type |
| 03:35.26 | SerajewelKS | i wonder why this would prevent dkms packages for zfs though? |
| 03:35.34 | SerajewelKS | because the package only contains the source, and the binary is built on your system at install time |
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| 03:36.48 | SerajewelKS | teclo-: according to this article, zfs is already in debian, in contrib |
| 03:37.17 | teclo- | SerajewelKS: ah... |
| 03:37.21 | SerajewelKS | ah it is |
| 03:37.25 | SerajewelKS | ,v zfs-dkms |
| 03:37.26 | judd | Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5; jessie-backports-sloppy/contrib: 0.7.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/contrib: 0.7.12-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.7.12-2; sid/contrib: 0.7.12-2 |
| 03:37.30 | SerajewelKS | there you go! |
| 03:37.41 | SerajewelKS | just add contrib to your sources and away you go |
| 03:39.01 | teclo- | indeed |
| 03:40.10 | SerajewelKS | !zfs |
| 03:40.10 | dpkg | ZFS (originally Zettabyte File System) is a file system / logical volume manager developed by Sun Microsystems (http://deb.li/7xXU). The Debian GNU/kFreeBSD kernel since 7.2 has ZFS support, the userland utilities are packaged as zfsutils. Native Linux support from zfsonlinux.org, #zfsonlinux channel on freenode, is included in Debian starting with <stretch> and <jessie-backports> with some caveats due to license conflicts. |
| 03:40.30 | SerajewelKS | cool |
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| 03:46.19 | tobiasBora | SerajewelKS: well first I don't understand the "Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code". When you have a .deb package, the sources are never included no? |
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| 03:46.33 | tobiasBora | (hence the source repo) |
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| 03:49.08 | tobiasBora | and also, I don't understand why you could distribute A alone, distribute B alone, but not A and B... It's a complete nonsense to me |
| 03:51.36 | SerajewelKS | tobiasBora: somewhere else it indicates that one way you can "accompany it with the ... source code" is to provide a link to a distribution that will remain available for some amount of time |
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| 03:51.53 | SerajewelKS | tobiasBora: the debian source package repository would be considered a reasonable satisfaction of this requirement |
| 03:52.02 | tobiasBora | like even the meaning of "distribute A and B" is unclear. Like if it's on the same partition of a usb stick it's not fine. But if they are on two usb sticks it's fine. So what if they are on two separate "disks" of a hard drive? And if a server has the two files on the same hard-drive, but let you download separately the two files it is ok, but if you download a single file it's wrong? Stupid... |
| 03:52.25 | SerajewelKS | tobiasBora: i don't understand where you got that statement |
| 03:52.48 | tobiasBora | SerajewelKS: https://linuxhint.com/install-zfs-debian/ |
| 03:52.57 | tobiasBora | go to "You should be prompted to accept the license agreement of ZFS. Just press <Enter> to continue." |
| 03:53.08 | tobiasBora | there is a picture of debian screen |
| 03:53.50 | tobiasBora | "Please be aware that distributing both of the binaries in the same media (disk, images, virtual appliances, etc...) may lead to infringing |
| 03:54.11 | tobiasBora | (and thanks for the "link" trick) |
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| 03:57.18 | SerajewelKS | i'm not sure that's accurate |
| 03:57.29 | SerajewelKS | distributing zfs.ko _at all_ is infringing |
| 03:57.47 | SerajewelKS | maybe it's talking about the ZFS source |
| 04:02.10 | tobiasBora | SerajewelKS: oh, you need code from linux to create zfs.ko? |
| 04:02.20 | SerajewelKS | i think the thought process is that judges find exploiting loopholes to be bad. we know we can't distribute zfs.ko. what if we distribute the linux kernel binaries with the ZFS source? that's a loophole. even though it technically complies. |
| 04:02.27 | SerajewelKS | yes, you need the C headers |
| 04:02.58 | SerajewelKS | distributing both sets of source code may be seen as a loophole and encouraging people to combine them |
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| 04:03.17 | SerajewelKS | personally i don't think it's a violation. but i also don't trust judges, who have no knowledge of software, to make the right call. |
| 04:03.27 | SerajewelKS | that's why the text "may be infringing" |
| 04:03.40 | SerajewelKS | and is why debian puts it in contrib, which doesn't get distributed on the CD set |
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| 04:04.23 | SerajewelKS | it's less because it's a violation and more about being careful not to piss off oracle and land in court |
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| 04:05.56 | tobiasBora | I see. But for me all the point of law is to create loopholes to be able to avoid the law when you want (and when you know) ;) |
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| 04:07.07 | zegil | Hello, I want to upgrade debian to buster, but I am confused over what to put in sources.list |
| 04:07.32 | zegil | It says on debian.org to remove all security.debian.org, is this true? |
| 04:07.44 | dvs | zegil, replace stretch with buster |
| 04:07.57 | SerajewelKS | tobiasBora: only if the judge agrees |
| 04:08.02 | dvs | zegil, yeah, remove security temporarily |
| 04:08.13 | zegil | dvs, until buster becomes stable? |
| 04:08.36 | dvs | zegil, until the upgrade is complete |
| 04:09.03 | zegil | dvs, then put security back into my sources? |
| 04:09.08 | dvs | yes |
| 04:09.23 | zegil | dvs, why should I put it in after and not now? seems odd |
| 04:10.01 | dvs | zegil, security packages can confuse the upgrade |
| 04:10.23 | zegil | dvs, okay fair enough. It won't hurt to take them out and put them back in right after anyway |
| 04:14.14 | SerajewelKS | i've never seen security repos confusing the upgrade process but *shrug* |
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| 04:15.09 | jcb2016 | i just found out about wajig. does anyone use it? |
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| 04:15.39 | dvs | jcb2016, you back? |
| 04:15.49 | jcb2016 | dvs: yep :D |
| 04:16.04 | dvs | must try harder to scare people |
| 04:16.09 | jcb2016 | lol |
| 04:16.39 | jcb2016 | dvs: been here all day. havent heard you type anything. |
| 04:16.46 | jcb2016 | s/heard/seen/ |
| 04:17.38 | dvs | jcb2016, I'm here on and off. But I've never used wajig. |
| 04:17.54 | jcb2016 | ok if its not that important i won't use it |
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| 04:24.59 | jcb2016 | dvs: can i pm? |
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| 04:25.25 | dvs | ok |
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| 04:33.01 | friendlyGoat | howdy! |
| 04:35.45 | friendlyGoat | im not sure if raspbian is a thing that gets support in here but i thoguht this might be a worthwhile place to ask around in. |
| 04:35.46 | friendlyGoat | i had a power surge and an internet outage and that resulted in me being able to connect over LAN but not being able to use the actual internet despite being connected to the router via ethernet and im not sure how to fix it. |
| 04:35.58 | dvs | !raspbian |
| 04:35.58 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 04:36.17 | friendlyGoat | ahh okay thanks |
| 04:36.23 | friendlyGoat | see ya'll! |
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| 06:15.20 | uvcontact | COMMENT |
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| 07:53.44 | phenoble | Hello #debian \o |
| 07:54.08 | phenoble | I'm having trouble getting my dotfiles to work on debian, and I'm not quite understanding why: |
| 07:55.00 | phenoble | Is there a mechanism in-place, that prevents sourcing other files in .profile? It looks that way. |
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| 07:55.13 | phenoble | For I can't. |
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| 07:59.59 | Greyztar | phenoble: maye not the correct way,but i had some of the same problem,i sourced the .profile in .bashrc then everytime i log in it gets sourced again maybe not what u asked |
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| 08:36.05 | phenoble | Greyztar: thank you, that'd be another problem - one that gladly I solved in the past :-) |
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| 08:36.56 | phenoble | i found the issue: this particular system, for a reason I don't understand, executes ~/.profile with the dash shell; which doesn't know the source command. |
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| 08:37.42 | phenoble | So it silently fails; the portable POSIX alternative to "source" - or so I've just learnt - is the dot operator. |
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| 08:38.26 | phenoble | (Note: 'chsh' shows /usr/bin/zsh as the system shell; why is dash used to execute .profile? O_o ) |
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| 09:01.15 | neoclust | hi |
| 09:02.18 | neoclust | i builded my own kernel ( with minimum options ) and now if i boot over PXE it does not try to download the fs.squashfs but i go in a initramfs shell. If inside i try to add an IP i can ping my network |
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| 09:08.40 | neoclust | do i missed a kernel option when building my kernel ? do i missed something regarding dracut ? |
| 09:10.45 | colo-work | are you sure you're even on Debian? |
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| 09:19.35 | neoclust | colo-work: yes :) |
| 09:19.43 | neoclust | colo-work: in buster |
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| 09:21.13 | neoclust | colo-work: i speak of dracut because i read of it on google, but i did nothing, i only installed the built kernel ( the postint did the work i think ). I installed live-boot as needed too. |
| 09:21.45 | neoclust | colo-work: with an official debian kernel it downloads the squashfs, etc so i am sure the error is from my side |
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| 09:45.35 | EdePopede | the way of the debian, phenoble > https://wiki.debian.org/Shell |
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| 10:02.19 | uio | Hi, I was trying to install Albert, but it's not in the repos. I tried this : https://paste.debian.net/hidden/b0f63a09/ but it didn't work. How can I undo what I did? My concern is that I maybe added a repo that isn't secure or something... |
| 10:03.24 | uio | Additional information : I'm actually just looking for a replacement for kupfer because it won't find files properly anymore. Any ideas on file finders & app launchers would be welcome. Synapse doesn't find files for me, nor does Gnome Do. |
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| 10:13.58 | uio | So I tried again and installed following : https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=home:manuelschneid3r&package=albert |
| 10:14.25 | uio | But I'd like to remove everything related to this now and I don't want my system to trust the repo or the keys given... |
| 10:14.43 | uio | How can I do so? |
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| 10:17.53 | towo^work | uio, best way is, do not use 3rd party repos |
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| 10:19.40 | uio | towo^work: Related, but you're answering a different question. |
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| 10:20.57 | uio | I ended up going to /etc/apt/sources.list.d and removing the new file. |
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| 10:21.22 | uio | But I think that the key might sill be trusted by the system. How can I remove the key? |
| 10:21.37 | uio | towo^work: The problem is, there is no good app and file launcher in the repos. |
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| 10:28.34 | uio | This is one problem with linux : discovering that an app launcher doesn't work and then spending hours not being able to fine a decent one. +1 non-free distros. |
| 10:29.38 | uio | When this happens for several things (wifi, screenlock, gedit) I can see why people just use what gets the job done. |
| 10:30.13 | nkuttler | anyway, third part software is not supported here, but we have #debian-offtopic |
| 10:30.51 | jelly | we do have #debian-offtopic but that is an anti-support channel, no support of any kind allowed there |
| 10:31.05 | nkuttler | rants are ok though |
| 10:31.08 | jelly | yes |
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| 10:31.35 | jelly | you can whine about some piece of software or hardware all day long, just don't expect or ask for help :-) |
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| 10:31.54 | colo-work | "anti-support". I like that concept! |
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| 10:32.24 | colo-work | imagining something akin to the "paladin"/"anti-paladin" relationship in recent D&D |
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| 10:32.49 | uio | This is far deeper than one piece of software, this is a general criticism of linux, and Debian in particular (more so than Ubuntu). |
| 10:33.00 | jelly | nod |
| 10:33.25 | uio | And my recent question was not about a specific piece of software, but about how to remove something from what the system trusts. |
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| 10:34.09 | jelly | uio: use "apt-key list" to find the relevant gpg key |
| 10:34.21 | nkuttler | uio: see also man apt-key |
| 10:35.46 | jelly | uio: and then pick last 8 hexadecimal digits for that key and do something like apt-key remove '6941 C9D8' |
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| 10:39.36 | uio | jelly: nkuttler Okay. Removed. Thank you. |
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| 10:58.44 | algun|home | What do you do when the system is slow and you suspect the disk (I can hear it grinding when it's lagging in minetest)? |
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| 11:00.11 | EdePopede | algun|home: smartmontools and badblocks |
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| 11:01.29 | EdePopede | and first of all not blindly doing something but collecting data and understanding the problem. and then a cup of fresh coffee thinking about available options |
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| 11:10.03 | algun|home | EdePopede: you're going to have to be more specific than that. Last time I used smartmontools I was told that my drive was old but seemingly healthy. I also tried e2defrag -c (c is for collect data ;) and fragmentation was low. I used badblocks before too I think but that was a long time ago, and I don't remember the results. |
| 11:10.33 | algun|home | I used it now again, it reported nothing |
| 11:10.54 | algun|home | If you want I'll make a fresh smartmontools report with flags of your chosing |
| 11:10.59 | algun|home | *oo |
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| 11:12.50 | EdePopede | algun|home: defrag would only make sense if you think the head is jumping around all the time. a software thing (don't want to even call it a problem). "grinding" sounds like you think it is louder than it should be, making noises it shouldn't. |
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| 11:14.32 | EdePopede | i didn't use smartmontools in a while, had no problems lately. but i remember i used it with some options last time which then make it run for hours iirc. |
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| 11:15.46 | algun|home | EdePopede: tbh it was always making these noises. I'm guessing that if the a certain portion of the plate is read, the noises are made (near the end of the plate)? |
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| 11:16.49 | algun|home | It's not that old-school grinding noise though, it's a white noise, high pitched |
| 11:17.19 | EdePopede | you suspect the parking position? |
| 11:18.28 | EdePopede | hm, my disk also sounds different when i copy over a lot of files. could it be the motor while it moves away the head only short distances, but this very often over a longer time? |
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| 11:18.53 | algun|home | Not sure if I think about it. I hear it more frequently when the disk is full. But I guess it could just be it has to shuffle things around more. |
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| 11:20.11 | EdePopede | i dont't think we can even trust disk layouts anymore. there's a bad block, another one is used. if this number changes in smart, then this could be a hint. |
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| 11:20.56 | EdePopede | did you dd in larger blocks and listen to it? does it sound ok then? |
| 11:21.48 | EdePopede | atm it sounds to me like it wasn't the platter but more the arm moving |
| 11:22.08 | algun|home | this is how it sounds: https://youtu.be/PwCxVSf6WnE?t=12882 |
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| 11:23.11 | algun|home | Let me start a couple of torrents. |
| 11:23.17 | algun|home | I don't remember them causing the noise though. |
| 11:23.51 | algun|home | Also I just remembered I started this session as root, excuse me for a second please |
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| 11:24.27 | algun|home | False alarm. It was a normal user. |
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| 11:25.32 | EdePopede | hm. reminds me of sand somehow. |
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| 11:27.19 | algun|home | https://youtu.be/fQV1C8eJlPU?t=6 |
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| 11:28.07 | algun|home | note that the noise oscilates in that video. My disk makes a flat noise. |
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| 11:30.24 | EdePopede | OMG, those idiotic morons really try to computertranslate the text under the video :o |
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| 11:31.13 | algun|home | EdePopede: Downloading now at speeds of over 0.5 MiB/s, no noises |
| 11:31.32 | algun|home | That may not be a lot though I guess, maybe I should try copying a file as you suggested. |
| 11:33.12 | algun|home | Over 1 MiB/s now, no noises |
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| 11:35.11 | algun|home | Copying a file now, I can hear the noise for less then a second very sporadically |
| 11:35.37 | algun|home | When it causes the lag in minetest, however, it is heard continuously. |
| 11:36.04 | algun|home | removes the fully copied file |
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| 11:40.32 | EdePopede | algun|home: could it be that minetest constantly needs a lot of small files? |
| 11:42.15 | algun|home | I'm not sure, but I just opened imgur and started hearing the noise continuously. Mind you, there's a lot of files, and they're not small either (some are videos). |
| 11:42.35 | algun|home | I do hear it when I load up a youtube channel's video tab. And those are only images. |
| 11:42.46 | algun|home | So maybe, but... what does it mean? |
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| 11:43.52 | algun|home | More info: On a youtube channel's video tab, when the images load, the noise stops. |
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| 11:52.32 | rant | I have a brand new 32gb thumbdrive I just took out of the pack last night.. it has currently a debian stretch install on it, I'm trying to overwrite it with a stretch installer iso and regardless if I use cp netinst.iso /dev/sdd, dd if=netinst.iso of=/dev/sdd or open gparted and recreate the partition table, it still has the f'n stretch install on it.. I can't figure out wth is going on |
| 11:53.01 | rant | I even did killall gvfsd and killall caja to try rule out that the DE was messing with it |
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| 11:54.13 | rant | which I was led to believe cause the drive still shows up in "Computer" in caja even when I remove it from the system |
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| 11:56.02 | darsie | my sound is broken again. No sound. rebooting helped yesterday. |
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| 11:56.48 | darsie | plain desktop installation, with xfce. |
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| 11:58.32 | rant | darsie: you'll need to be far more specific if you want help.. what are you doing, what are you expecting, what is happening? |
| 11:58.54 | rant | I.e. I play a youtube video in chromium, and no sound comes out of my tv |
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| 11:59.55 | rant | I have two different ways sound can come out of this laptop (hdmi,analog), two different layers (alsa,pulseaudio) and a plethora of apps that can make sounds.. to figure out whats wrong with "no sound" one would need to know more specifically what that means |
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| 12:01.34 | darsie | e.g. the most basic stuff like mpg123 01\ fun\,\ fun\,\ fun.mp3 . Volume control has a moving volume bar. |
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| 12:04.36 | darsie | Says ALSA plug-in |
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| 12:06.17 | darsie | http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/2019-03-01-130539_968x551_scrot.png |
| 12:06.24 | rant | darsie: (aplay -l;echo " aplay -L; amixer scontents; |
| 12:06.27 | rant | erm |
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| 12:07.34 | rant | darsie: (aplay -l;echo "--";aplay -L;echo "--";amixer scontents;echo "--";amixer -c 0 scontents;echo "--";amixer -c 1 scontents)|nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 12:09.18 | darsie | https://termbin.com/s31p |
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| 12:12.58 | rant | darsie: so you have what plugged in? speakers? headphones? where? |
| 12:13.27 | darsie | amp in lineout. Tried headphones yesterday. |
| 12:14.31 | darsie | dang |
| 12:15.07 | rant | darsie: that paste shows the line is muted both in and out |
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| 12:15.11 | darsie | Today it was the cable falling out of the amp power supply again. Thought it was the same as yesterday, but no cracking when plugging the lineout jack. |
| 12:15.40 | darsie | thx for your time :). |
| 12:16.54 | rant | darsie: http://paste.debian.net/1070840/ |
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| 12:17.18 | darsie | but I have sound. |
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| 12:17.33 | rant | darsie: lines 7-8 14-15 21-22 |
| 12:17.56 | rant | 7-8 show "Line" muted in and out, and the other two Lines are at 0% |
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| 12:18.50 | darsie | Hmm, but it's 40% now. |
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| 12:18.59 | rant | I didnt include a command to show pulseaudio status cause I'm busy pullin my f'n hair out with my own issue :P |
| 12:19.31 | rant | I am trying two different thumbdrives and even a f'n dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdd isn't clearing them out |
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| 12:20.51 | darsie | Ahh, no, it's still 0%. |
| 12:21.15 | rant | open alsamixer and have a look |
| 12:21.24 | darsie | nah, it works. |
| 12:21.27 | rant | seems to be a mixer issue at first glance |
| 12:21.40 | darsie | Was the amp powersupply cable unplugged. |
| 12:21.42 | rant | doesn't work / works.. make up your mind :P |
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| 12:22.02 | darsie | [13:15:11] <darsie> Today it was the cable falling out of the amp power supply again. Thought it was the same as yesterday, but no cracking when plugging the lineout jack. |
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| 12:23.02 | rant | maybe you just have a really good amp :P |
| 12:23.21 | darsie | Nah, I had to plug it back in :). |
| 12:23.26 | rant | they do make amps that can compensate for that initial point where the ground goes past the signal line.. |
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| 12:23.38 | rant | and keep it from crackling your speakers :D |
| 12:24.22 | darsie | It's a 9 USD class D amp from aliexpress. |
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| 12:25.02 | rant | did you check it for explosives? :P |
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| 12:25.19 | darsie | It has some explosive electrolytics :). |
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| 12:27.27 | rant | gives up and just copies the f'n ISO onto the one thumbdrive and boots the debian install off the other to try this on another machine |
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| 12:28.56 | rant | something is FUBAR on my machine right now.. keeps saying these are 1GB thumbdrives when they are a PNY and SanDisk both 32GB and even f'n dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdd isnt doing shit to them :P |
| 12:29.23 | darsie | https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Smart-Electronics-TDA7498-DC-14-34V-Amplifier-Board-of-Class-D-2X100W-Dual-Channel-Audio-Stereo/32964283142.html I love it. Low power consumption and powerful enough for me. |
| 12:29.26 | rant | I still have in tact partition tables and filesystems |
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| 12:30.06 | password2 | can i make a bootable debian drive with the install dvds? |
| 12:30.06 | rant | I haven't used actual speakers in ages.. |
| 12:30.16 | rant | password2: yes |
| 12:30.50 | rant | password2: cp debian-blah-dvd1.iso /dev/sdx |
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| 12:31.18 | rant | password2: if you have a network connection where you will install you don't need the dvd |
| 12:31.20 | password2 | and in windont :P |
| 12:31.28 | password2 | i dont have bw |
| 12:31.35 | darsie | rant: if dd doesn't do it, you could try of=somefileonthethumbdrive |
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| 12:32.59 | rant | darsie: I had a FAT fs on the one drive and a debian install on the other.. I just copied the damn ISO to the FAT drive, booted the debian install on the other in the target machine, copied the ISO to the / and then cp netinst.iso /dev/sdc back over the fat drive and its working now.. for whatever reason my laptop is being a PITA :P |
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| 12:33.54 | rant | it was accessing the drives fine but no low-level operations to try overwrite them were working |
| 12:34.01 | rant | never seen shit like that before |
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| 12:43.33 | ws2k3 | does apache2 on debian 9 has Accept-Ranges: bytes enabled by default? my apache2 server doesnt send the header and im trying to figure out why |
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| 12:46.16 | rant | ws2k3: static content or auto-generated? |
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| 12:50.28 | ws2k3 | rant static |
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| 12:52.37 | rant | ws2k3: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2011-3192 are you vulnerable to this? |
| 12:52.40 | outoftime | I have problem with multimedia keys under Debian Stretch. Volume keys works fine, I can not map Next\Prev\Play\Pause keys. I suppose I'm using wrong keysyms or keycodes to configure i3wm. |
| 12:52.53 | rant | ws2k3: only thing I can see why it may have been disabled |
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| 12:54.30 | ws2k3 | rant well i checked in the config and i cant find anywhere where it is set to disabled |
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| 12:56.57 | ws2k3 | rant i have tryed grep -rnw '/etc/apache2/' -e 'range' and grep -rnw '/etc/apache2/' -e 'bytes' and grep -rnw '/etc/apache2/' -e 'headers' but didnt find a line that could be disableing it |
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| 12:59.00 | rant | ws2k3: you'd need a -i for case insensitivity |
| 12:59.25 | rant | the way you typed it earlier had a capital letter |
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| 13:00.25 | rant | near as I can tell, this feature is typically enabled by default for static content and only bug affecting it is 8 years old and marked fixed in debian |
| 13:00.33 | outoftime | How to recognize keycode for i3 "bindcode ..." if `xev` shows https://paste.debian.net/plain/1070845 |
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| 13:03.34 | ws2k3 | rant well its debian 9 and i have all updates installed i tryed with grep -rnw '/etc/apache2/' -ei 'bytes' and with grep -rnw '/etc/apache2/' -ei 'headers' and with grep -rnw '/etc/apache2/' -ei 'range' so so far i have no idea why this is not working |
| 13:03.37 | rant | outoftime: there are no keypresses shown there.. it should look like this http://paste.debian.net/1070847/ |
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| 13:03.56 | rant | ws2k3: me either, I haven't used apache in AGES |
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| 13:04.40 | rant | outoftime: and a bindsym should be sufficient, no need for a bindcode |
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| 13:15.12 | Soliton | ws2k3: grep -ei foo tells grep to look for i in file foo. |
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| 13:20.49 | g0zzy | Something broken here. Since i enabled exim4 to send mail, i'm getting: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
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| 13:22.57 | g0zzy | That suggests to me that there's something already wrong which enabling exim4 simply surfaced |
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| 13:31.21 | outoftime | rant: do you know how to find out why key presses doesn't get recognized? |
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| 13:33.41 | choice | Hello! Does anybody know a good command line torrent client? |
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| 13:36.32 | tarzeau | outoftime: in x or console? xev? |
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| 13:39.07 | outoftime | tarzeau: what? |
| 13:39.15 | tarzeau | 14:31 < outoftime> rant: do you know how to find out why key presses doesn't get recognized? |
| 13:40.15 | outoftime | tarzeau: xev didn't show me keycode and that is why I can not bind it in my ~/.config/i3/config |
| 13:40.50 | outoftime | tarzeau: I have tryed keysyms for those keys but they just didn't work |
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| 13:44.45 | tarzeau | outoftime: is that us keyboard settings? |
| 13:44.57 | tarzeau | outoftime: like do you have setxkbmap us? x or wayland? |
| 13:45.09 | tarzeau | which keys you try? |
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| 13:52.48 | outoftime | tarzeau: us keyboard layout. I'm using IBus applet. Prev\Next\(Pause + Play) |
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| 13:53.41 | tarzeau | i'm out of ideas.. sorry |
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| 13:54.11 | outoftime | tarzeau: "Use system keyboard layout (XKB)" is turned off |
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| 13:55.59 | rant | outoftime: what kind of keyboard is it? |
| 13:57.11 | greycat | Just another 60 to 90 minutes and we might actually know what he's doing! |
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| 13:58.58 | outoftime | rant: https://www.razer.com/gaming-keyboards-keypads/refurbished-razer-blackwidow-ultimate-2014 |
| 13:59.01 | rant | greycat: well, if you meant outoftime, the were trying to configure their media keys Play/Next/Prev in I3 but don't seem to be getting keypress events in xev for them they sent me this before you got here https://paste.debian.net/plain/1070845 |
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| 14:00.00 | rant | outoftime: ok, so it uses a Fn key to access the MM keys |
| 14:00.31 | outoftime | rant: yes |
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| 14:01.19 | rant | outoftime: and you get no keypress event in xev when you press Fn and one of those keys? |
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| 14:02.20 | outoftime | rant: this is what I get when pressing fn+<f5-f7> https://paste.debian.net/plain/1070845 |
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| 14:03.03 | outoftime | rant: sorry, for both f1-f3 and f5-f7 ranges |
| 14:03.20 | rant | outoftime: do you know how to use your virtual consoles? |
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| 14:04.39 | outoftime | rant: ctrl+alt+f1? |
| 14:05.25 | rant | outoftime: yes, those.. login there on tty1 and try "showkey" it won't work properly in an xterm.. you should get scancodes 163-166 usually for Play/Stop/Prev/Next |
| 14:05.40 | rant | outoftime: if it works there, then we know the problem is X related |
| 14:06.12 | outoftime | rant: I have tried it yesterday, it shows 165-163 for f5-f7 |
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| 14:07.38 | rant | outoftime: you mean Fn+F5-f7? |
| 14:07.44 | outoftime | rant: yes |
| 14:08.16 | rant | ok, well then I'd examine your X log first and see if there is anything particularly obvious in there |
| 14:08.55 | rant | outoftime: I'd also revisit what you said earlier to tarzeau |
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| 14:09.28 | rant | some setting you have in X is obviously not allowing those events to happen |
| 14:09.35 | outoftime | rant: https://termbin.com/sdft |
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| 14:10.28 | tarzeau | outoftime: does alt-f4 do something? or ctrl-sysrq? |
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| 14:12.22 | outoftime | tarzeau: I'm using i3wm and Alt+F4 didn't change anything visually. What is Ctrl+Sysrq? |
| 14:12.48 | rant | seems fine, the xlog.. detects the keyboard by name, assigns it a PC105 layout, says always reports core events.. |
| 14:13.01 | tarzeau | outoftime: was alt+sysrq: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
| 14:13.06 | rant | outoftime: prntscr is also known as sysrq |
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| 14:14.02 | rant | outoftime: alt+sysrq+k should result in killing all your apps and sending you back to the login screen for example |
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| 14:14.23 | tarzeau | rant: what about mac keyboards? where's the sysrq key? |
| 14:14.33 | tarzeau | i'm also missing the insert key |
| 14:14.43 | rant | tarzeau: probably between the elephant and the rhino |
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| 14:15.52 | outoftime | rant: Ctrl+PrtSc does nothing, just cursor disapears until mouse movement. |
| 14:16.30 | rant | outoftime: yeah thats not suppose to do anything |
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| 14:17.00 | rant | outoftime: system requests are done with Alt+Sysrq+Key where Key is what command you are trying to send |
| 14:17.16 | rant | outoftime: and that means nothing to me.. it was tarzeau who said that.. |
| 14:17.23 | tarzeau | how else has an alias telnet=ssh ? |
| 14:17.26 | tarzeau | who |
| 14:17.42 | tarzeau | just to confuse watchers... |
| 14:18.00 | rant | not me, telnet runs telnet :P |
| 14:18.24 | tarzeau | \telnet still would be usable |
| 14:19.08 | greycat | This sounds like an incredibly bad idea. |
| 14:19.49 | tarzeau | for interactive shells? why? |
| 14:20.22 | greycat | For the same reason that aliasing "rm" to something that saves the files in a .trashbin directory is a bad idea. You get used to your nonstandard crutch, and then you shoot yourself in the foot when you use a regular system. |
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| 14:20.34 | tarzeau | true |
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| 14:20.45 | tronifier | hello |
| 14:20.59 | tronifier | I am right now having a problem with perl lang |
| 14:21.07 | pingfloyd | any crutches are bad really. Builds up muscle memory with a dependency on them. |
| 14:21.16 | outoftime | tronifier: !ask |
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| 14:22.41 | outoftime | rant: do you have any ideas? Can you point me somewhere where I can continue diging? |
| 14:23.19 | rant | outoftime: no clue |
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| 14:23.33 | rant | tronifier: /j #perl |
| 14:24.29 | outoftime | rant: I suppose my question is transformed into "showkey shows keycode for fn+f5, but xev can not recognize keypress..." |
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| 14:27.15 | rant | outoftime: would seem so.. you can try hitting up irc.oftc.net, general linux channels like ##linux, or debian user forums or mailing lists |
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| 14:28.36 | rant | outoftime: I personally always had good luck with debian-user@lists.debian.org usually gets good responses and fairly quickly.. if IRC doesnt get anywhere |
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| 14:48.01 | AlexNagy | alright, got Debian installed, sees and can browse all the network shares on the AD domain, has Internet. All GtG. Well, aside from trying to remove certain apps. Trying to remove evolution and it wants to install Thunderbird, wanting to remove Pidgin but it wants to remove the entire Cinnamon desktop. Anyway around this? The environment this (and other) computers will be for won't require IM, email, or other such apps. |
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| 14:48.49 | AlexNagy | (I'm using apt, Debian 9.8 x86) |
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| 14:57.32 | outoftime | AlexNagy: how you trying to remove those apps? What debian version you are using? |
| 14:57.58 | greycat | 09:48 AlexNagy> (I'm using apt, Debian 9.8 x86) |
| 14:59.13 | greycat | If removing thunderbird forces the installation of something else, then thunderbird is PROVIDING a (virtual) package that something else depends on, with a fallback. When you yank out Thunderbird, apt tries to find something to satisfy the dependency, and comes up with a substitute. |
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| 14:59.54 | greycat | You can try "aptitude why thunderbird" to see, maybe, what is depending on it currently. |
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| 15:00.16 | AlexNagy | thanks |
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| 15:00.54 | AlexNagy | installs aptitude, then asks the question |
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| 15:01.38 | AlexNagy | cinnamon-desktop-environment Depends icedove | thunderbird | evolution | geary >,< |
| 15:02.10 | AlexNagy | same for pidgin "Depends pidgin | empathy" >,< |
| 15:02.29 | AlexNagy | well, time to do some menu editing. |
| 15:02.56 | AlexNagy | thank you, greycat |
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| 15:26.50 | rant | is there a way I could possibly reclaim shared ram for the video from within debian? |
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| 15:27.31 | rant | is gonna have to hook a monitor up and go in and disable the video in the bios cause he is a du-moss |
| 15:27.54 | rant | should've thought of that before I tucked that damn thin client up in the ceiling to use as a server :P |
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| 15:32.17 | password2 | how do i uninstall the debian boot loader |
| 15:32.58 | rant | password2: you'll need to be more specific on from where you are installing it and what type of hardware you plan to be booting |
| 15:33.04 | password2 | windows |
| 15:33.16 | password2 | it installed a bootloader |
| 15:33.29 | password2 | i expected it to give me an option as to where to install |
| 15:33.41 | password2 | it just started immediately |
| 15:34.08 | password2 | i want to make a live disc |
| 15:34.18 | rant | oh, you want to UNINSTALL the bootloader.. |
| 15:34.27 | password2 | not install along existing pc |
| 15:34.50 | password2 | yeah , i uninstalled it from programs and features now |
| 15:34.50 | rant | password2: so it installed a bootloader on the MBR of your windows machine? |
| 15:34.59 | password2 | hoping it restored my system |
| 15:35.05 | password2 | rant yes |
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| 15:35.33 | n4dir | iirc it asks you if it shall install grub to <xyz>, probably /dev/sda/ and if you say no, it will ask you what to do instead. |
| 15:35.33 | rant | well idk if its still applicable but there used to be a command fixmbr and fixboot in windows |
| 15:36.01 | rant | you don't "uninstall" a bootloader, you install another one.. so this is technically a windows question |
| 15:36.13 | password2 | n4dir, it asks for basic or expert mode , then it installs |
| 15:36.43 | password2 | i was expecting an option to modify where to install , nooope |
| 15:36.48 | n4dir | that is at the beginning of the installation process, installing the boot-loader is at the end |
| 15:36.59 | password2 | i asked 1 qeustion |
| 15:37.06 | password2 | expert or normal mode |
| 15:37.17 | password2 | then it installed stuff and said done |
| 15:37.22 | Fox | and you asked the wrong people |
| 15:37.33 | password2 | aparently:D |
| 15:37.41 | Fox | just asked google https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/33433/restore-the-windows-boot-loader-after-an-ubuntu-update/ |
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| 15:37.43 | password2 | brb rebooting to see how badly it fucked up my install |
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| 15:40.43 | toruvinn | if he still has windows |
| 15:42.03 | rant | oh well, guess I can't turn the integrated graphics off, but can force it to 32MB which is much better.. :D |
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| 15:42.38 | password2 | don't panic , system is not screwed |
| 15:42.39 | password2 | :D |
| 15:42.58 | password2 | but grub does not handle ntfs? |
| 15:43.13 | rant | grub has nothing at all to do with filesystems |
| 15:43.28 | password2 | or whatever it loads? |
| 15:43.40 | rant | when it loads windows it just chainloads ntldr |
| 15:43.45 | password2 | i got an unkwown filesystem error |
| 15:43.58 | password2 | nah , trying to boot of external |
| 15:44.48 | password2 | i want to create an live drive |
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| 15:46.06 | rant | password2: a usb drive like a hdd or thumbdrive? |
| 15:46.50 | password2 | usb drive |
| 15:47.04 | password2 | specifically its an m.2 in an usb 3.1 enclosure |
| 15:48.32 | rant | password2: do you have a thumbdrive you can use in this process? |
| 15:49.01 | password2 | i have 1 |
| 15:49.09 | password2 | the one i want to install to |
| 15:49.12 | password2 | :D |
| 15:49.36 | rant | yeah well you kinda need something to boot FROM to install it.. do you have more than one computer? |
| 15:50.00 | password2 | nah |
| 15:50.16 | password2 | this is starting to sound like a whole lot of hassle |
| 15:50.29 | rant | you need either a CDR/DVDR media, another computer that can PXE boot and a cable, a thumbdrive, or you gotta bootstrap your own system |
| 15:50.37 | password2 | all i wanted to do is test my usb3.1 under linux |
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| 15:51.16 | rant | and you don't have anything like a thumbdrive laying around? not even a crappy old MP3 player? :P |
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| 15:51.51 | rant | you can just download the debian live image and write it to the device |
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| 15:51.58 | password2 | ii have , but i don't feel like bothering now |
| 15:52.07 | rant | but that's not the same as installing and setting up a normal system |
| 15:52.14 | password2 | took me 3days to dl this image |
| 15:52.26 | password2 | well i just want a live system |
| 15:52.35 | password2 | literally 5minutes of usage |
| 15:52.41 | password2 | thats all i wanted |
| 15:52.45 | rant | you on dialup? :D |
| 15:52.51 | password2 | capped |
| 15:52.58 | password2 | its complicated |
| 15:53.22 | password2 | i dl'ed from work |
| 15:53.30 | password2 | and work internet is crap but uncapped |
| 15:55.49 | rant | if you already have a live image, just write it to the damn device :P |
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| 15:56.38 | password2 | i have install iso |
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| 15:57.04 | greycat | so write it to a CD or a USB stick and then boot it |
| 15:57.07 | password2 | i wrote it to device and it complained about filesystem |
| 15:57.13 | greycat | !install guide |
| 15:57.14 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 9 "Stretch" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <stretch release notes>. |
| 15:57.44 | rant | greycat: fwiw the IG is outdated for people using windows.. says to use something that is 404 |
| 15:58.00 | password2 | i'll just give this a skip until later |
| 15:58.20 | rant | I been sitting here goonulating https://rufus.ie wondering if it were a viable alternative |
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| 15:59.02 | Tenkawa | rufus works wonders for putting the iso on the usb yes |
| 15:59.36 | rant | Tenkawa: does it do it like cp/dd or oddly like unetbootin did? |
| 15:59.42 | Tenkawa | yep |
| 15:59.54 | Tenkawa | it handles gpt/uefi |
| 16:00.08 | Tenkawa | all that crazy stuff |
| 16:00.13 | rant | yeah well debian images dont need "handled" |
| 16:00.20 | rant | they just need written to the device |
| 16:01.06 | Tenkawa | but it lets you even add files (ie firmware debs) afterwards which is great for us system builders |
| 16:01.15 | password2 | aparently the device should be the right filesystem though |
| 16:01.26 | rant | the filesystem is irrelevant |
| 16:01.36 | Tenkawa | rant: actually its not |
| 16:01.53 | rant | it goes like this Device | Partition (Table) | Filesystem |
| 16:02.06 | rant | the image is the whole partition table with the filesystem in it |
| 16:02.15 | rant | its not a zipfile |
| 16:02.15 | password2 | rant why did i get a fikesystem error? |
| 16:02.18 | Tenkawa | depending if it creates a mbr or uefi compliant system |
| 16:02.41 | ayekat | yeah, but the mbr and uefi parts are also *inside* the device |
| 16:02.44 | Tenkawa | it will create different boot filesystems |
| 16:02.47 | rant | yes well I'm talking from a debian perspective.. I got nfc what windows does these days I haven't touched it in over 17 years |
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| 16:03.16 | rant | and I know if done properly the filesystem of a target device for a debian ISO is irrelevant |
| 16:03.21 | Tenkawa | rant: also depends on how old his machine is |
| 16:03.37 | password2 | its new |
| 16:03.38 | rant | if whatever is writing it is just writing the damn image and not trying to finagle it |
| 16:03.41 | Tenkawa | if this thing is still stuck in secure boot modde |
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| 16:04.30 | password2 | i just cp'ed the contents |
| 16:04.46 | Tenkawa | can recent debian images boot with secure boot turned on? |
| 16:05.11 | Tenkawa | or does it still need to be disabled? |
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| 16:11.19 | ksk | no, it can not. Debian 10 will be released with that funcionality as far as I know. |
| 16:11.25 | ksk | !tell Tenkawa about secure boot |
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| 16:12.25 | Tenkawa | ksk: yeah i knew it had not been.. i just not been keeping up on progress |
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| 16:13.05 | Tenkawa | its not talked about much since theres a lot of "workarounds" |
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| 16:14.07 | Tenkawa | thanks for the info though |
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| 16:19.15 | rant | password2: https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/files/latest/download |
| 16:19.25 | rant | that wasnt loading for me, but now it is |
| 16:19.37 | rant | I was under the impression it didnt exist anymore |
| 16:20.01 | rant | ah thats f'n source code |
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| 16:21.14 | rant | password2: https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/files/Archive/Win32DiskImager-1.0.0-binary.zip/download or https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/files/Archive/win32diskimager-1.0.0-install.exe/download |
| 16:21.26 | rant | depending on if you want a zip or installer |
| 16:21.46 | rant | the installer is smaller by about 4.4MB if you're limited on bandwidth |
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| 16:22.55 | rant | not that its gonna do you much good since you downloaded the install image not the live image.. |
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| 16:23.51 | jhutchins_wk | Tenkawa: secure boot was developed by Intel under Microsoft's direction specifically to prevent people from running Linux. |
| 16:24.09 | ksk | Tenkawa: I think you can partake in testing secureboot if you like, links should be somewhere on the pages the bot told you |
| 16:24.11 | jhutchins_wk | Tenkawa: Working with it is not a matter of code, it's a matter of paying Intel money. |
| 16:24.48 | rant | If you're feeling left out you can always use http://www.linuxgenuineadvantage.org/ |
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| 16:26.15 | Tenkawa | jhutchins_wk: yeah I know.. i am still annoyed that how all came about |
| 16:26.27 | Tenkawa | ksk: i might just do that |
| 16:26.56 | Tenkawa | i have a notebook setup that I could use to do that |
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| 16:31.51 | Tenkawa | ok time for lunch.. bbl |
| 16:32.06 | rant | bbl with tacos :D |
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| 16:32.12 | rant | is hungry too |
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| 16:35.46 | birkoff | hello, why is the info page of info which is in 'texinfo-doc-nonfree' nonfree ? |
| 16:36.26 | greycat | !gfdl |
| 16:36.27 | dpkg | [gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases. Read the discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html . See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
| 16:37.12 | greycat | That was a guess... but https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/non-free/t/texinfo-doc-nonfree/texinfo-doc-nonfree_6.3.0-1_copyright confirms that it's GFDL. |
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| 17:00.08 | jhutchins_wk | secureboot doesn't really protect the system except for some very extreme edge cases, there's no good reason to enable it. |
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| 17:00.53 | somiaj | but its secure, though it is nice with shim it can be supported, though unsure if buster will actually support it or not (more and more linux distros do support it though) |
| 17:01.02 | somiaj | </scarcasim> for the start |
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| 17:05.51 | t3st3r | Btw still, signed kernel and modules and even boot loader doing self-checks could somewhat thwart intruders. Though I wouldn't trust UEFI crap full of preinstalled MS keys and so on. |
| 17:06.49 | somiaj | most methods of supporting secure boot uses those MS keys. shim is signed by MS, and then shim checks the key of the kernel it boots using keys it knows. |
| 17:07.47 | t3st3r | Say I do not really get why distros are persistent on e.g. forcing use of non-signed kernels and so on if it wasn't secure boot booted. Sounds odd to me. |
| 17:09.17 | t3st3r | Say signed kernel, modules + boot loader booted non-secure ways but doing self-checks makes some sense to me. Either way I would agree any MS-signed crap is a big hole/backdoor. |
| 17:11.09 | somiaj | Anything signed is a level of trust, and though there maybe ways to use your own keys instead of trust MS, the reality is MS has a high level of trust to the point that theys keys are shipped by default, and being able to leverage them seems to be the more common approach than having to manually add your own keys to the UEFI (in some cases depending on the firmware may not be possible or easy). |
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| 17:14.03 | t3st3r | Well, granted UEFI is usually proprietary crap, and it tends to be reinforced by "boot guard" and so on to ensure it stays - overall it could be called snake oil. |
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| 17:14.25 | somiaj | Though I think it will take time for any method to mature, and I too hope at least for some there is a way to use your own keys instead of the MS ones if you prefer, but many may just want to leverage the MS keys, which is why shim is commonly used. |
| 17:15.12 | t3st3r | Still, even with insecure booting, and even bios booting, boot loader doing self-checks + signed kernel and modules can put at least some obstacles on the way of rootkits. |
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| 17:17.31 | t3st3r | Though ofc at the end of day security as good as is weakest link in the chain. |
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| 17:50.57 | rant | is there a way to setup TLS/SSL on a local web server accessible only to my home network so that browsers won't bitch about the validity of the certificate? |
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| 17:52.44 | rant | going through this whole CA process seems to require a domain name and internet accessible server.. I'd just as soon disable the ssl. |
| 17:53.07 | Maarten | rant, you can use self-signed certificates, but browsers will always bitch about it, because browsers have a side-job of warning you of any security issues. |
| 17:53.34 | rant | yeah I have it all setup with the self-signed but its annoying :D |
| 17:54.35 | Maarten | complain to Mozilla, Google, Microsoft, Safari, or whatever browser you use that you can't set proper exceptions in your browsers anymore like you could in the past :P |
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| 17:55.17 | Maarten | Or use a *really* old browser. MSIE 6 anyone? :D |
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| 17:58.08 | rant | yeah well I was just gonna disable ssl but aside from the fact thats a mild security risk for a web administration deal, should any of the boxes on the network get p0wned :P but turning off SSL just made the damn thing go tango uniform so.. idk |
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| 17:59.58 | rant | seems like dealing with the browser warnings is just the way to go :P |
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| 18:17.22 | bernat | Hi. Are dbus-x11 and dbus-user-session compatible in Debian Buster? |
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| 18:18.35 | rant | bernat: /server irc.oftc.net /j #debian-next |
| 18:18.46 | bernat | Thanks rant |
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| 18:41.25 | Richardo | is there someone can help at graphical chroot session with Xnest at Debian 9 xfce |
| 18:42.13 | Richardo | i know schroot -u $USER -c $chroot_alises |
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| 18:43.18 | Richardo | and then set the screen at new plug-position |
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| 18:44.29 | Richardo | and finaly with Xnest -ac :$screen_num -geometry 800x600 |
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| 19:25.21 | kreyren | `sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup` what is this doing? |
| 19:25.36 | greycat | reconfiguring a package |
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| 19:28.47 | kreyren | which package |
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| 19:29.21 | kreyren | i'm having issues on gentoo with tty that inputs input multiple times and this was suggested for simmilar solution.. need more info |
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| 20:04.18 | zophyx | I have a question about bash's SHLVL env var, does it mean anything useful ? I can create an xterm that has no parent process other than process 0, and the SHLVL will be equal to 5. Wassup wid dat shinzat ? |
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| 20:08.09 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 20:08.27 | wwilly | hi, is it possible to set MAC address in the debian net installer? |
| 20:09.05 | rwp | zophyx, It means something is wacky/wrong. It means that your xterm inherited an environment that had SHLVL at 4 regardless of the assertion that it did not. There is little other possibility. |
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| 20:09.53 | jelly | zophyx: but but... there is no process 0 |
| 20:10.19 | Azrael_- | i've got a strange behaving system. some files vanish from time to time and i have no clue how or why. can i use apparmor in detection mode to monitor all actions of all programs and then trace through the log files to see what program caused the problem? (i know, the possibility for the system being compromised is high) |
| 20:10.29 | rwp | wwilly, In the installer? Not sure, think not. But I believe you can Alt-F2 to get a text console and use 'ip' to set your custom mac address. |
| 20:11.15 | areyouloco | !debhelper |
| 20:11.17 | dpkg | i guess debhelper is a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building Debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. #debian's eggdrop bot |
| 20:11.29 | areyouloco | !debpartial-mirror |
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| 20:12.44 | wwilly | rwp, thanks, I can't access a shell via Alt-F2... I have a tmux->screen->UART serial console |
| 20:13.00 | wwilly | do you think is this chain that catch and remove ALT stuff? |
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| 20:38.56 | wwilly | rwp, it worked thanks, in the net installer you have a choice to execute a shell |
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| 20:52.43 | teclo- | evening, I'm still with that puzzling firefox problem |
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| 20:53.34 | teclo- | I'm booting the livecd for Debian 9.8 and it has firefox-esr 60.5.0esr |
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| 20:55.36 | outoftime | teclo-: you can use backports with 62 |
| 20:55.37 | teclo- | and wikipedia says the latest in that brach is 60.5.1esr |
| 20:55.55 | teclo- | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_version_history#Versions_60_through_69 |
| 20:56.04 | teclo- | outoftime: ah... |
| 20:56.19 | teclo- | isn't there a livecd with debian-testing ? It would have 62 "out of the box" |
| 20:57.41 | jhutchins_wk | ,v firefox |
| 20:57.42 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 64.0-1 |
| 20:57.58 | greycat | ,v firefox-esr |
| 20:57.59 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 60.4.0esr-1; stretch: 60.5.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.5.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 60.5.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.5.1esr-1 |
| 20:58.26 | jhutchins_wk | teclo-: Why would you expect Debian to have the latest, least tested version of a package? |
| 20:59.01 | outoftime | teclo-: just use chromium (: |
| 20:59.06 | jhutchins_wk | teclo-: People with versionitis usually just install it from Mozilla. |
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| 21:02.24 | teclo- | jhutchins_wk: well :) I don't expect that. It's days I'm trying to order stuff from rakuten.com, and at the step where I choose the delivery location all I get is a white window. And I've been in touch with support and until now, the only thing they answer "Make sure you are using the latest version of Firefox" |
| 21:02.37 | teclo- | so they expect me to use the latest version |
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| 21:03.59 | greycat | That's a generic helpdesk answer, like "turn it off and on". |
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| 21:04.08 | teclo- | greycat: I know |
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| 21:04.57 | teclo- | I've had helpdesk so dumb that they didn't know iceweasel was firefox rebranded |
| 21:05.12 | somiaj | teclo-: debian ships with firefox-esr as that is the firefox which is closest to debians frozen policy and gets security updates. |
| 21:05.36 | teclo- | somiaj: I have no problem with that :) .... |
| 21:05.56 | somiaj | hence, one will need to do a little work if they wan't the current non esr version. |
| 21:06.03 | teclo- | okay I'm telling them I've just installed the latest version 60.5.0esr and I have the same result |
| 21:06.31 | teclo- | however ,v firefox-esr says "stretch-security: 60.5.1esr-1~deb9u1" |
| 21:06.36 | somiaj | yea, some sights only support newest firefox and not ers for some siplly reason. |
| 21:06.55 | somiaj | the -1~deb9u1 just means debian packaging of 60.5.1esr |
| 21:07.06 | greycat | did you install the update but forget to restart the browser? that happens to me a lot.... |
| 21:07.08 | teclo- | doesn't that mean that doing apt upgrade should install 60.5.1esr ? |
| 21:07.12 | somiaj | (I doubt any of the specific debian changes are an issue here) |
| 21:07.23 | teclo- | greycat: I already checked but I'm gonna just check again |
| 21:08.16 | somiaj | teclo-: yes, but stretch doesn't hvae 60.5.1esr available, and you don't want to install the buseter package |
| 21:08.43 | somiaj | well 60.5.1esr-1 |
| 21:09.56 | greycat | stretch-proposed-updates: 60.5.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 60.5.1esr-1~deb9u1 |
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| 21:22.47 | Scriptonaut | does anyone know how I could scp a file, and have the filename be based on the result of a command? I want to scp the most recently modified file from a remote server, with the command "ls -1t | head -1". I need something like: scp me@myserver:/path/to/$(ls -1t | head -1) /dest/path |
| 21:23.08 | greycat | *shudder* |
| 21:23.47 | greycat | For starters, if you need that ls (or a better one) to run on the REMOTE host, scp is not the right tool. You need ssh to run a command remotely. |
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| 21:24.13 | Scriptonaut | ya, I need it to run on the remote host since I don't know the filename ahead of time |
| 21:24.16 | greycat | You can do something like ssh me@server 'some command that cats a file to stdout' > local.file |
| 21:24.27 | Scriptonaut | ah ok, and then run the scp based on that result |
| 21:24.31 | greycat | NO |
| 21:24.36 | greycat | NO SCP! |
| 21:24.43 | Scriptonaut | how do I get the file then? |
| 21:24.45 | greycat | You can do something like ssh me@server 'some command that cats a file to stdout' > local.file |
| 21:25.12 | greycat | Or do you need to retrieve the file's *name* as well as its content? |
| 21:25.22 | Scriptonaut | I don't need the name necessarily |
| 21:25.32 | greycat | Good. Then that's settled. |
| 21:25.51 | greycat | Is the remote server Debian 9? Or something else? |
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| 21:26.32 | Scriptonaut | it's debian something, I'll check |
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| 21:27.35 | Scriptonaut | /proc/version says debian 4.8.4-1 |
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| 21:27.48 | Scriptonaut | oh nevermind that's gcc |
| 21:27.59 | greycat | well, definitely not stretch anyway |
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| 21:28.08 | greycat | what's the *whole* output of /proc/version? |
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| 21:28.37 | Scriptonaut | oh it's jessie |
| 21:28.49 | Scriptonaut | I checked /etc/os-release |
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| 21:29.03 | Scriptonaut | whole output of /proc/version is Linux version 3.16.0-5-amd64 (debian-kernel@lists.debian.org) (gcc version 4.8.4 (Debian 4.8.4-1) ) #1 SMP Debian 3.16.51-3+deb8u1 |
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| 21:29.54 | greycat | Definitely jessie-ish. And unfortunately jessie's ls doesn't have the --quoting-style=shell-escape option. |
| 21:30.36 | greycat | Well, you can write a loop. |
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| 21:31.32 | greycat | ssh me@server 'for file in /dir/*; do [[ $file -nt $latest ]] && latest=$file; done; cat -- "$latest"' > local.file |
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| 21:31.49 | Scriptonaut | ah ok, and it's fine that the file isn't a text file? |
| 21:31.52 | greycat | assuming your account on the server has bash as its login shell |
| 21:31.54 | greycat | yes, that's fine |
| 21:31.57 | Scriptonaut | ok thanks |
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| 21:35.55 | karlpinc | greycat: What would be wrong with: ls -t /dir | head ?? |
| 21:36.05 | karlpinc | ls -t /dir | head -n1 |
| 21:36.28 | greycat | Fails if the filename has newlines, and possibly fails on whitespace or non-printing characters, depending on the ls implementation. |
| 21:36.58 | karlpinc | Makes sense. I always forget about newlines. |
| 21:37.10 | greycat | GNU coreutils developers were given a patch at least once to add a --null type option to ls, and they bloody REJECTED it. Because it would make people think they could use the tool safely. |
| 21:37.38 | greycat | But instead they gave ls a --quoting-style=shell-escape option which means the only way you can use the tool safely is with eval inside bash. |
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| 21:39.31 | greycat | Being able to just read the stream of filenames and stop at the first NUL byte would have been far too easy and sensible. |
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| 21:40.30 | greycat | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/coreutils/2014-02/msg00005.html |
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| 22:08.19 | teclo- | hm, trying to install chromium in the Debian 9.8 liveCD, I get "No space left on device" |
| 22:08.26 | teclo- | what would be a solution to this ? |
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| 22:11.31 | tomreyn | more ram |
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| 22:21.25 | teclo- | tomreyn: indeed ! sorry I didn't think about that |
| 22:21.43 | karlpinc | teclo-: Or, don't run off a cd, run off a usb stick. Then you can install more packages onto the stick. (Assuming it's setup the right way.) |
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| 22:30.06 | wwilly | there is no getty installed by default with the netinstaller for ARM |
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| 22:33.26 | wwilly | *? |
| 22:36.23 | Sleaker | wwilly: was that a question or a statement? |
| 22:36.26 | Sleaker | instructions unclear :P |
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| 22:38.04 | wwilly | was initially a question, surprised that the netinstaller don't install the necessary to boot and give a console, I followed a tuto and they said stuff with inittab, but it as been replaced for systemd |
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| 22:38.25 | wwilly | and there I'm a bit out because I don't know how to do that |
| 22:38.55 | wwilly | in etc systemd i see a symlink for getty, but it point to non existing file |
| 22:40.30 | wwilly | I continue tomorrow, thank you for your help |
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| 22:43.50 | ongo | Hello, I'm having trouble with my debian netinstall |
| 22:44.08 | ongo | it booted up and I don't even have wpa-supplicant or iw, so I can't even turn my wifi on |
| 22:44.10 | ongo | what should I do? |
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| 22:59.16 | ongo | I don't even have sudo, wat do? |
| 22:59.23 | ongo | I need to install some packages, but can't get network |
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| 23:02.30 | jmcnaught | ongo: you should have su so you can still become root. Did you use wireless network during the installer? |
| 23:02.53 | ayekat | doesn't the installer give you a root shell on tty3 or tty4 anyway...? or do I misremember |
| 23:03.22 | ayekat | also, wpa-supplicant is probably not there, but wpa_supplicant might be :-P |
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| 23:08.30 | ongo | ayekat: don't have wpa supplicant either |
| 23:08.37 | ongo | wpa_supplicant |
| 23:08.50 | ayekat | ongo: are you in a root shell? how did you determine you don't have it? |
| 23:08.52 | ongo | jmcnaught: I'm not sure I did, cause I wasn't looking through most the process |
| 23:09.00 | ongo | ayekat: well I can use su, but sudo isn't instaleld |
| 23:09.13 | nkuttler | how would sudo help you? |
| 23:09.15 | ongo | actually almost nothing is, I guess cause it's a netinstall and it couldn't get net settings |
| 23:09.15 | ayekat | ... that's not what I asked |
| 23:09.58 | jmcnaught | ongo: if you absolutely cannot plug in an ethernet cable then you should probably just redo the installer and pay attention this time, there's an opportunity to connect to a wireless network, it asks you |
| 23:10.02 | ongo | ayekat: because wpa_cli isn't on the system |
| 23:10.19 | ayekat | O_o |
| 23:10.32 | ongo | jmcnaught: I remember it trying to configure the network with dhcpd but I ran into problems, it wouldn't configure |
| 23:10.33 | ayekat | ongo: again: do you have a root shell? how did you determine you don't have wpa_supplicant? |
| 23:10.44 | ongo | I do have a root shell |
| 23:11.12 | ayekat | so $PATH should include /sbin and /usr/sbin, right? |
| 23:11.18 | ongo | well, as I said, cause I can't run any wpa_supplicant commands |
| 23:11.44 | jmcnaught | ongo: your wireless care might need a non-free firmware. You can look up the PCI-ID with "lspci -nn" and we can look it up here to if firmware is required |
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| 23:12.12 | ongo | oh yeah, I had that prompt, however when I pressed yes to install it, nothing would happen |
| 23:12.32 | jmcnaught | or look for firmware errors with "dmesg | grep -i firmware" |
| 23:14.14 | ayekat | hmm... actually, the busybox shell does indeed not have any wpa_supplicant executable - I suppose the installer extracts it from elsewhere? |
| 23:14.22 | ongo | there's a bunch of failed to load *.fw jmcnaught |
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| 23:14.33 | jmcnaught | !firmware image |
| 23:14.33 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 23:14.37 | ongo | so I guess it's the firmware stuff |
| 23:14.54 | jmcnaught | ongo: try using that installer that comes with firmware ^^ |
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| 23:16.09 | ongo | jmcnaught: which one of those should I install? |
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| 23:16.36 | jmcnaught | you probably want http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 23:17.26 | jmcnaught | most computers made in the last decade are 64bit which Debian calls amd64 |
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| 23:21.56 | agio | if you have the ability to write to the root directory of your installer OS, you can just add the firmware packages to the /firmware directory - of the official installer |
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| 23:26.53 | ongo | jmcnaught: I ran into the same problem again, I press yes for load missing fimware from removable media, it loads something, but gives me the same prompt again |
| 23:26.57 | ongo | so it never loads in the end |
| 23:27.09 | Sleaker | ayekat: installer generally has tty1 as the interactive installer, tty2-3 as shells, tty4 as the running syslog |
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| 23:28.28 | ongo | says Detect network hardware, then goes back |
| 23:28.32 | agio | ongo: alternatively you can finish the install, then plugin your USB (containing the firmware .deb package/s) and install them manually |
| 23:28.45 | ongo | I'll try that |
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| 23:29.09 | agio | it means you won't be connected to the network during the install |
| 23:29.39 | agio | and - as a consequence - you may have to manually define /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:29.56 | agio | because the installer won't be able to find the nearest apt mirror |
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| 23:30.55 | ongo | yeah, it does say that network autoconfiguration failed |
| 23:31.20 | agio | you usually can just continue anyway |
| 23:31.31 | ongo | yeah |
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| 23:31.59 | agio | also, you will have to find your wifi adapters model number |
| 23:32.26 | agio | or obtain the giant firmware-misc***.deb package |
| 23:32.46 | agio | which I think is all the non-free/firmware installer provides |
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| 23:34.58 | ongo | agio: where can I get the firmware packages I need and how exactly do I install them? |
| 23:35.33 | agio | packages.debian.org |
| 23:36.33 | agio | easiest way - is probably to grab the massive firmware-misc-**.deb for your release (stretch, buster etc) |
| 23:36.48 | agio | it has all non-free firmware |
| 23:37.08 | agio | so you won't need to match the package to your wi-fi hardware module |
| 23:37.17 | agio | and it contains dependencies |
| 23:37.20 | ongo | alright, I'll look for that, thanks |
| 23:37.22 | agio | to install: |
| 23:37.42 | agio | dpkg --install <packagename> (as root) |
| 23:37.42 | dpkg | wish i knew, agio |
| 23:38.06 | ongo | https://packages.debian.org/buster/firmware-misc-nonfree I guess it's this one? |
| 23:38.44 | agio | you will poss. need to reload the corresponding kernel module for the device driver and reflash firmware microcode |
| 23:39.04 | agio | are you on buster? |
| 23:39.08 | kreyren | yes |
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| 23:40.43 | ongo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:40.58 | ongo | gonna put the firmware stuff on my usb |
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| 23:47.38 | agio | nice |
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| 23:50.08 | ongo | okay, done, what should I do now? |
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| 23:52.06 | ongo | agio: since I still don't have any way to connect to wifi :/ |
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| 23:59.30 | ongo | agio: or was I supposed to swap my usb out for the one with the firmware during installation? |
