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| 00:26.19 | rant | jhutchins: I disable these features but best of my knowledge the UEFI has to be put into a setup mode to be able to boot something new |
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| 00:32.49 | civillian | SCSI adapter numbers, they seem to be changing across reboots with no hardware changes (VMware). Is this normal? |
| 00:33.54 | rant | you should never be relying on such things |
| 00:34.14 | rant | you use UUID for volumes and vend/prod codes or such in udev for anything else |
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| 00:35.25 | civillian | prod being product? |
| 00:35.46 | rant | thats the idea.. udev can match based on all kinds of things and assign the device a static device alias |
| 00:36.16 | rant | it depends on the hardware what info you have to work with.. some things have a serial number or other unique ID |
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| 00:36.40 | civillian | it would be vmw_pvscsi |
| 00:36.55 | rant | if you want something consistant you have to use something consistant.. dont rely on device nodes assigned by the kernel to low-level drivers |
| 00:37.17 | rant | I assume thats a scsi disk controller? |
| 00:37.31 | civillian | yes, VMware's Paravirtual scsi controller |
| 00:37.59 | rant | is there some particular reason why you'd use that when you're in a VM and can choose simpler HW? |
| 00:38.23 | rant | perhaps more importantly is what you are actually trying to achieve |
| 00:38.47 | civillian | the PV device is the recommended way from VMware |
| 00:39.16 | civillian | so I should be able to tell udev to assign a particular scsi host ID to that device? |
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| 00:39.46 | rant | yes well you don't listen to a HW mfg even if its virtual hw when it comes to what is best for software running on the hw which that mfg did not make |
| 00:39.57 | Krennic | i think virtualbox is better than vmware |
| 00:40.16 | Krennic | but who knows |
| 00:40.21 | rant | you could undoubtedly use udev to make a /dev/mydevice and link it to a specific hw, but the question remains, why you need to do this |
| 00:40.38 | rant | if this is a virtual hard disk, you can just reference the partition by its UUID |
| 00:40.51 | civillian | its the scsi adapter I'm interested in |
| 00:40.51 | rant | no need to concern yourself with the device nodes at all |
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| 00:41.19 | rant | I'm having trouble imagining why you'd need direct access to a scsi adapter |
| 00:41.22 | civillian | if I add disk by automation, the provisioning looks for scsi host id 0 |
| 00:41.30 | rant | ah I see |
| 00:41.31 | civillian | to create partitions, volumes etc |
| 00:42.07 | civillian | I could change those scripts but if the ID is bouncing around, I'd prefer to use udev to assign that to a well-known ID |
| 00:42.48 | rant | well to match this in udev you need to get some info from inside the OS.. I'd start by looking at lspci -nn for the scsi adapter, I'd imagine its on a pci bus.. then perhaps try lspci with some -v -vv or such to get more info or look in dmesg |
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| 00:43.30 | rant | but I do this sort of thing most often for USB devices.. map them to things like /dev/palm /dev/ipod and such |
| 00:44.06 | civillian | it's consistently getting pci0000:00/0000:00:15... etc, but that is being assigned host0 or host2 under /sys/class/scsi_host/ |
| 00:44.28 | civillian | yes that sounds like what I need |
| 00:44.52 | civillian | thanks rant |
| 00:46.12 | rant | civillian: https://wiki.debian.org/udev the symlink is what you want, but you'll need some sort of unique data to match the symlink to the device and for that you'll need to get some info about the hw from the kernel that can be uniquely identified and matched |
| 00:47.19 | rant | civillian: apparently, and I didnt know this before looking at the wiki again, udevadm can be used to get the info more easily than dmesg or lspci |
| 00:47.30 | rant | guess that makes sense that udev would already know about the hw |
| 00:47.45 | rant | that way it'll give you matchers you can just copy/paste |
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| 00:48.25 | civillian | yeah I'm going to trust that the PCI slot number won't change in the virtual HW |
| 00:48.41 | rant | well the driver wont either.. but if you have more than one thing using that driver.. |
| 00:49.00 | civillian | that's true actually |
| 00:49.13 | civillian | nothing else, just disk and only 1 controller ever |
| 00:49.24 | rant | you can put more than one matcher in there IIRC you can make it as specific as you like |
| 00:50.51 | rant | I have no idea why it'd be moving around if you only have one device.. but I dont care to speculate on it either as it seems irrelevant |
| 00:51.17 | rant | udev is more than capable of fixing any issues like this |
| 00:51.47 | civillian | well 1 scsi device, aparently two IDE devices which show up under /sys/class/scsi_host/ |
| 00:51.56 | civillian | for CD rom etc |
| 00:52.03 | rant | ah.. scsi emulation |
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| 00:52.30 | civillian | ata_piix |
| 00:53.04 | rant | yes but scsi emulation runs on top of a low-level ata driver |
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| 00:54.34 | rant | presents IDE devices as SCSI so they can be used by programs designed for SCSI hw.. which was the case for CD burners and such.. and I'd think by now they'd have changed all that.. but.. back in the day all the burning software ref drives by scsi ids so IDE burners needed to be presented as SCSI to work |
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| 00:55.54 | rant | that could have something to do with the underlying issue but its really not relevant to a solution.. udev is the solution no matter what |
| 00:56.33 | rant | you notice uefi, udev, usb, uuid, etc all got U in the name, and IDE, ATA, SCSI, etc dont :P |
| 00:56.52 | rant | the u is for a unified/universal/uniform quality :P |
| 00:58.12 | rant | problem isn't I, its U .. heh.. |
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| 01:01.25 | joepublic | I remember being called an idiot trying to get help with IDE devices on Linux by "the linux people" when I started in the late 90s with Linux, ranting that IDE was junk, it was inferior, and other 'denial statements' to avoid admitting the fact that the driver support was poor for IDE which is just fine, as history shows |
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| 01:02.15 | joepublic | so it's very refreshing to see the ide-to-scsi thing discussed so matter-of-factly. |
| 01:02.34 | rant | yeah well even to this day more general places like ##linux you'll get junk advice.. happens a lot in programming channels to.. that strong idealism |
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| 01:03.11 | rant | its a matter of people not knowing or caring how something works and rather than offering support or shutting up, they complain about what they dont understand |
| 01:03.12 | joepublic | I get idealistic, but I am glad that I don't get idealistic about PC SCSI being the one true way |
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| 01:04.15 | rant | well when SATA came out it addressed most the issues, then SCSI went serial too.. and now they're fairly similar |
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| 01:04.54 | rant | and of course the linux kernel has undergone massive changes over the years not to mention all the userspace stuff |
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| 01:05.32 | rant | with things like udev, fuse, apparmor, etc.. so much is being moved outside the kernel into a highly flexible userland |
| 01:05.57 | joepublic | well, sure, now ide is supported fine. with little quirks like the CD/DVD drive language still speaking SCSI and having to have an interpreter. |
| 01:06.42 | joepublic | fuse/sshfs is my primary way to push files out to my servers |
| 01:07.44 | rant | I been dabbling with fuse more lately.. like fuse iso mounting, fuse zip file mounting, etc |
| 01:07.53 | rant | its convenient at times |
| 01:08.22 | joepublic | the fuse archive mounting frustrates me because every implementation I have run across only makes changes to the archive when you unmount |
| 01:09.46 | rant | I was dabbling with it for retroarch, as an idea of how to just zip all my roms to save space.. MAME had long supported compressed roms, but its much easier to just zip em all by emulator in one big file and keep em together |
| 01:09.58 | rant | then you dont need to even worry about if the emulator supports compression or not |
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| 01:10.23 | joepublic | for read-only the issue disappears |
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| 01:14.11 | rant | yeah well if I wanted a better rw option I'd just use a normal compressed volume I guess.. I saw utility in fuse archives for stuff I'll rarely use and dont want to have to fool with making an actual compressed FS just for that makes it easy and portable.. I can move those archives to any platform and use em without any special drivers or anything as normal archives as needed |
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| 03:39.25 | jvava | hi, compose key can not be set in jessie, |
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| 03:41.23 | jvava | compose key |
| 03:43.09 | nkuttler | can not be set? |
| 03:44.34 | jvava | disabled |
| 03:44.46 | nkuttler | disabled where? |
| 03:45.05 | jvava | setting -> keyboard -> shortcuts -> typing -> compose key |
| 03:45.08 | cluelessperson | SerajewelKS: yes, but it shouldn't |
| 03:45.21 | cluelessperson | SerajewelKS: I just zeroed out sdh partprobe should inform the kernel it changed? |
| 03:45.29 | nkuttler | jvava: did you do the standard desktop install of debian? |
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| 03:45.46 | nkuttler | jvava: sounds to me like you need to pick a different keyboard layout |
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| 03:46.32 | jvava | nkuttler, yes, I do. now XBLAYOUT = 'cn' |
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| 03:46.58 | jvava | nkuttler, model is pc105 |
| 03:48.12 | jvava | how can I alter the kb layout? |
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| 03:50.02 | nkuttler | actually, looks like the compose key is an option with xkb |
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| 03:51.18 | jvava | I modified the file, /etc/default/keyboard, XKBOPTIONS="compose:lwin", but it does not work. |
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| 03:51.28 | nkuttler | jvava: i would try this https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/desktop_migration_and_administration_guide/enable-compose-key |
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| 03:52.05 | nkuttler | oh, so you want to use a different key as compose? you don't have a physical one? |
| 03:52.21 | SerajewelKS | cluelessperson: reread what i said |
| 03:52.37 | jvava | no, is there a physical compose key? |
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| 03:52.46 | SerajewelKS | cluelessperson: from what i see, you zeroed out just the beginning of the disk. dmraid metadata may be at the END |
| 03:52.55 | SerajewelKS | which is why you need to "mdadm -E" to make sure the metadata is gone |
| 03:53.07 | nkuttler | jvava: some keyboards have it |
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| 03:54.22 | nkuttler | jvava: did you restart x after modifying the /etc/default/keyboard ? |
| 03:54.55 | jvava | nkutter, no, I just open a new terminal |
| 03:57.59 | jvava | I will try restart now, thank you nkuttler |
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| 04:01.04 | SerajewelKS | isn't there an xkbd incantation that can change that without restarting X? |
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| 04:04.16 | jvava | nkuttler, it works now! after restarting. éá |
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| 04:10.45 | nkuttler | jvava: great |
| 04:11.30 | jvava | nkuttler, thank you very much |
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| 04:37.49 | LaScoumoune | Hello all |
| 04:37.56 | LaScoumoune | its morning today |
| 04:38.35 | LaScoumoune | Is it possible to add a children proxy at squid ? |
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| 04:44.27 | tryte | LaScoumoune: you mean to prevent children to go on some blacklisted / whitelisted sites, domains etc? |
| 04:44.38 | LaScoumoune | no ahah |
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| 04:45.07 | tryte | what then? |
| 04:45.29 | LaScoumoune | I mean server-->proxy-->squid-->>client |
| 04:45.53 | LaScoumoune | i want add a proxy controle like an bypass |
| 04:46.16 | LaScoumoune | but i have add in front that change the address |
| 04:47.35 | LaScoumoune | client -->192.168.1.23:3128-->squid-->proxy-test-->server |
| 04:48.23 | tryte | you want to chain two squids? |
| 04:48.39 | LaScoumoune | yes but that not 2 squid |
| 04:49.05 | LaScoumoune | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.00 | LaScoumoune | but not in the front of squid like a filtre |
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| 04:50.06 | LaScoumoune | i cant find the word |
| 04:50.56 | tryte | i get it |
| 04:51.39 | tryte | you want a squid proxy that can MITM ssl connections |
| 04:52.04 | LaScoumoune | Yea but tht more complicated |
| 04:52.12 | LaScoumoune | i have make that with squid 4.4 |
| 04:52.31 | tryte | you have 4.4? |
| 04:52.37 | LaScoumoune | but actualy i can have the same work like mitmproxy |
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| 04:52.50 | LaScoumoune | yea that the only wit i can make with openssl |
| 04:53.03 | LaScoumoune | the 3.5 cant make properly i dont know why |
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| 04:55.43 | LaScoumoune | why ? |
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| 05:32.27 | ikarosuu1i | then I go to nvidia site and install cuda stuff, because I want to get stuff to work |
| 05:32.36 | ikarosuu1i | but now I don't know if my system is conflicting |
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| 06:08.27 | cluelessperson | ikarosuu1i: yeah it's kinda a pain in the ass |
| 06:08.48 | cluelessperson | SerajewelKS: ah, thanks |
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| 06:23.09 | ikarosuu1i | not to mention the machine learning people are the most reluctant to give advice on *any* situation regarding building libraries |
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| 06:24.11 | ikarosuu1i | it's just dead silence, be it tensorflow or pytorch or whatever |
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| 06:50.39 | hanasaki | why would a cpu (under low load) and the powersave governor always run at the max Ghz? |
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| 07:06.58 | pingfloyd | hanasaki: bugs in acpi maybe |
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| 08:39.49 | ViralTaco | Hi |
| 08:40.17 | ViralTaco | Which desktop environment would you suggest for someone familiar with macOS? |
| 08:40.32 | diogenes_ | ViralTaco, deepin |
| 08:40.45 | ViralTaco | deepin? |
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| 08:41.00 | diogenes_ | yep as for the beginning |
| 08:41.15 | diogenes_ | later you can use whatever, i personally prefer xfce |
| 08:41.36 | diogenes_ | also for a beginner, cinnamon is much recommended |
| 08:41.44 | diogenes_ | there is debian cinnamon spin |
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| 08:44.05 | kirk781 | Anything not named Gnome works |
| 08:44.27 | diogenes_ | :) |
| 08:44.46 | diogenes_ | and we will make Gnome great again! |
| 08:45.31 | SpeedyG | i'm using gnome and macos, but have customized my macos to look and feel as much as gnome as possible :P |
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| 08:47.40 | ViralTaco | I'm taking a look at deepin :|Â worst case scenario I'll just go with cinnamon |
| 08:48.06 | diogenes_ | ViralTaco, as for fun, you can have a look at this project: http://www.pearllinux.com/ |
| 08:48.13 | diogenes_ | run it off of a usb stick |
| 08:50.12 | ViralTaco | Darnit. Does anyone got a torrent for deepin x86_64? |
| 08:50.27 | ViralTaco | I'm not waiting an hour for 2 gigs |
| 08:50.37 | kirk781 | I installed KDE Neon, the flagship distro for KDE and guess watt, the experience was so shitty that I've switched to xfce |
| 08:50.52 | kirk781 | For some reason, my GPU drivers won't work properly with KDE |
| 08:51.03 | kirk781 | ViralTaco, isn't the torrent link on their site? |
| 08:51.13 | diogenes_ | kirk781, and not only you, kde neon was the worst experience for me too |
| 08:51.15 | kirk781 | A direct download should be faster, wouldn't it? |
| 08:51.17 | ViralTaco | I can't find it |
| 08:51.19 | diogenes_ | sluggish as hell |
| 08:51.25 | ViralTaco | kirk781 ? No. |
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| 08:52.18 | kirk781 | ViralTaco, your best bet is to then get it from a torrent site and match the hash later. |
| 08:52.38 | kirk781 | But honestly, how slow are the servers of Deepin that couple of gigs will take an hr |
| 08:53.09 | diogenes_ | yeah they are travveling via aliexpress from China XD |
| 08:53.14 | diogenes_ | travelling* |
| 08:53.39 | kirk781 | lol |
| 08:53.52 | kirk781 | Is Deepin Linux open source? |
| 08:54.04 | diogenes_ | must be |
| 08:54.09 | kirk781 | I am surprised that Chinese govt. hasn't pressurized them to include stuff inside their OS |
| 08:54.23 | kirk781 | Maybe so few people use Deepin that even the govt doesn't care |
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| 08:55.20 | diogenes_ | there used to be this rumors that they actually included some surveillance sofware in deepin OS and afaik they even acknowledged and removed it. |
| 08:55.41 | kirk781 | diogenes_, if that is true, i wonder if anyone outside china would even use it |
| 08:55.51 | kirk781 | Watt distro is deepin based on? DEbian? |
| 08:56.22 | diogenes_ | kirk781, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XQrZCpRAHA |
| 08:56.29 | diogenes_ | it's ubuntu based afaik |
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| 08:57.17 | kirk781 | Well, Ubuntu is Debian based so yeah, Debian is the root |
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| 08:57.42 | diogenes_ | but deepin DE looks really pretty indeed |
| 08:57.55 | diogenes_ | like futurisctic |
| 08:58.01 | diogenes_ | futuristic* |
| 08:58.08 | kirk781 | diogenes_, does it's DE can be installed in other distros? |
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| 08:58.43 | diogenes_ | kirk781, of course, everything is possible in linux world |
| 08:58.53 | diogenes_ | with the good knowledge |
| 09:00.03 | kirk781 | diogenes_, not everything. Try installing Linuxdcpp on Cent OS. Without any rpm available, it was a dependency hell |
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| 09:07.25 | diogenes_ | kirk781, hehe on CentOS? taht's only for servers, i've tried it once, it's really difficult to get anything (aside from server stuff) working. |
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| 09:08.55 | kirk781 | diogenes_, I installed it on my home machine. While the setup was stable, the repos were quite empty. Yes, it's unsuitable for home use |
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| 09:25.25 | centrix | On my box I run squid 3.5.x and I get: "recv: (111) Connection refused", "Closing Pinger socket on FD 21". I set the suid bit on pinger, but still the same error. Any hints, please? Thank you. |
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| 10:13.44 | jelly | given glibc crypt(), what would be less crackable, SHA-256 ($5$) or SHA-512 ($6$), and how many rounds should be used on a modern system to give a delay of about .1 - .5 seconds? |
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| 10:48.42 | oo_miguel | I run a jnlp programm with javaws but it appears very small on my 4k monitor. Any suggestions how to enlarge it? (I have OpenJDK 8) |
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| 10:51.15 | shtrb | Is it true that devices added to mdadm (raid1) can be directly mounted and used for read if unplugged from the machine ? |
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| 10:52.51 | RoyK | shtrb: if plugged into a linux machine or something else that understands md, yes |
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| 10:53.31 | shtrb | no, on the other side no md (just mount ) |
| 10:53.33 | RoyK | shtrb: if you have two drives in a mirror and connect one of the drives to somewhere else, it'll be discovered as a degraded raid1, which it is |
| 10:53.35 | shtrb | *ext4 |
| 10:53.47 | shtrb | thanks RoyK |
| 10:54.26 | RoyK | then, if you write to it, or even mount it read-write, you'll update the event count for the raid member, and the two will be out of sync |
| 10:54.43 | RoyK | keep that in mind :) |
| 10:55.45 | shtrb | that's not the point, I was not sure if that should not be the general case but you confirmed my bias (that it should not work ) |
| 10:56.19 | shtrb | and thank you |
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| 11:00.37 | Janni | Hello. |
| 11:01.48 | Janni | Does anyone know the inverse of pressing "F" in `less`? Once I have pressed "F" and observed the output for a while sometimes I'd like to detach from the output being generated and scroll around again. I can't find the corresponding key in the manpage. |
| 11:03.08 | petn-randall | Janni: ctrl + c does the trick for me. |
| 11:03.16 | petn-randall | (it doesn't exit less) |
| 11:03.39 | shtrb | Janni, maybe d? |
| 11:03.42 | FinalX | or maybe just G, to go to the end of the file? effectively staying where you are and not scroll further? |
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| 11:04.00 | FinalX | since F is basically tail -f ... |
| 11:04.27 | shtrb | Janni, sorry u not b |
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| 11:05.16 | Janni | petn-randall: ctrl-c is sent through to the application generating the output which is thus terminated. |
| 11:05.49 | FinalX | Janni: not true, see man page of less |
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| 11:06.04 | FinalX | oh, like that |
| 11:06.21 | FinalX | hm |
| 11:06.36 | shtrb | Janni, if you are stuck in the "waiting for input" it's enough to do ctrl + c |
| 11:06.47 | shtrb | if you are not in that state just hit u to go up |
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| 11:10.38 | Janni | Alright. I confirm that ctrl+c works as I've launched my application "A" directly: ./A | less. If however "A" is launched by "make" it doesn't... which I don't understand. |
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| 11:11.02 | Janni | So, if I run "make | less" then ctrl+c kills "A". |
| 11:12.13 | shtrb | Janni, you might like to use tee to a file and less over it |
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| 11:56.08 | retrojeff | I am getting high cpu and hung process due to font files??? (strace and ls output) |
| 11:56.09 | retrojeff | https://paste.debian.net/1053690/ |
| 11:57.18 | retrojeff | moving these fonts to a new location and the process no longer hangs |
| 11:59.52 | retrojeff | all these pids should not break or hang due to a font file |
| 11:59.56 | RoyK | retrojeff: anything in dmesg? |
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| 12:00.38 | retrojeff | nothing related I think the strace itself speaks volumes |
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| 12:01.57 | RoyK | it's just that such issues may be because of I/O hanging |
| 12:02.15 | retrojeff | like hard drive too slow? |
| 12:02.38 | retrojeff | I checked the sha256 on the fonts they match perfectly |
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| 12:03.16 | retrojeff | no sign of corruption |
| 12:03.39 | retrojeff | even between 7 reboots they stay the same sha256 hash |
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| 12:05.39 | retrojeff | if a font file is all screwy it should just drop back to default and move on |
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| 12:05.48 | retrojeff | not hang at 100 cpu |
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| 12:09.35 | tsglove | petn-randall, yesterday I asked for help and you offered it. Sorry I didn't reply back. Left the office and it took over the rest of the day. Yet thank you! |
| 12:10.18 | petn-randall | tsglove: Ah, nice. Did you get it fixed? |
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| 12:11.23 | RoyK | retrojeff: if it's 100% cpu, it's not I/O - but again - I don't know what could be doing this. Perhaps filing a bug may be helpful? |
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| 12:12.33 | retrojeff | this bug is pretty game breaking I could just delete these fonts and move on but to cause high cpu over fonts seems kinda dumb |
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| 12:13.34 | tsglove | petn-randall, sorry no. Now I have another fire in the office. I'm just going to scratch that virtual machine and create a new one. Kind of sucks, because I like to know *why* stuff is failing. Can't go through life deleting VMs every time I have a problem. |
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| 12:14.55 | jelly | retrojeff: do the processes keep reopening the same files in a loop? |
| 12:15.08 | petn-randall | retrojeff: Those fonts are not shipped in Debian. I'd file a bug report with that specific font to show the issue. Then the maintainer might be able to track down the issue, as a corrupted font should only be ignored, and not cause 100% CPU. |
| 12:15.31 | jelly | ,file NotoSansMonoCJKsc-Regular.otf |
| 12:15.35 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 12:15.37 | petn-randall | *incuding that specific font |
| 12:16.08 | jelly | retrojeff: which debian release is this and what does "dpkg -S $(readlink -f /usr/share/fonts/opentype/notofonts/NotoSansMonoCJKsc-Regular.otf)" say? |
| 12:17.03 | jelly | there have been bugs with similar or worse symptoms in freetype in the past |
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| 12:19.51 | ikarosuusi | is there like a general channel where someone could give me advice on building from source code |
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| 12:21.44 | ikarosuusi | or is that something we don't do in linux communities? |
| 12:21.51 | RoyK | ikarosuusi: there's a *lot* of channels on freenode and oftc - you may want to start out with #debian-offtopic - keep in mind the level of seriousness in there isn't prominent ;) |
| 12:22.17 | ikarosuusi | oh ok |
| 12:24.03 | retrojeff | I am trying $ fc-cache -f -r -v |
| 12:25.28 | retrojeff | (force reread verbose) |
| 12:26.10 | jelly | ikarosuusi: #programming ? |
| 12:26.34 | jelly | RoyK: #debian-offtopic discourages ANY sort of tech support questions |
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| 12:31.05 | shtrb | ikarosuusi, you could try in the build makefile (and asking at the #{name of the project} if exists) |
| 12:31.29 | ikarosuusi | you mean CMakeLists.txt? |
| 12:32.34 | shtrb | ok you have cmake, now we are moving . run cmake .. from the build folder to see what are the dependencies that need to be done |
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| 12:37.32 | rafalcpp | which program will normalize *.mp3 to all have normal/same average loudness/volume? |
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| 12:38.33 | tarzeau | mp3gain |
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| 12:41.27 | tarzeau | rafalcpp: i've just created a debian package for your pleasure: http://phd-sid.ethz.ch/debian/mp3gain/ |
| 12:41.56 | tarzeau | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=898202 |
| 12:41.57 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/898202 in wnpp (open): «ITP: mp3gain -- Lossless mp3 normalizer»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2018-05-08; last modified: 2018-11-20. |
| 12:42.54 | rafalcpp | neat |
| 12:44.01 | jelly | !win tarzeau |
| 12:44.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, tarzeau! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 12:44.18 | Haohmaru | it's lossless? wuddayaknow |
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| 12:44.30 | tarzeau | not my claim! |
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| 12:46.38 | Haohmaru | well, technically, adjusting the gain of an audio recording is not a destructive process, unless you store it in a very lousy bitdepth.. while as for mp3, i don't know if they got some nifty way to tell the decoder "amplify everything by X" <- that would easily be lossless |
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| 13:09.05 | ikarosuusi | shtrb cmake is being used by "python setup.py install" in anaconda environment where python is python3.7 |
| 13:09.27 | ikarosuusi | is running cmake in the build folder still a valid step? |
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| 13:11.20 | shtrb | if it is being used by the setup , check the output it get to see what packages you need to get |
| 13:11.35 | shtrb | ,v python |
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| 13:11.36 | judd | Package: python on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.9-1; stretch: 2.7.13-2; buster: 2.7.15-3; sid: 2.7.15-3 |
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| 13:12.44 | shtrb | ,v python3.7 |
| 13:12.46 | judd | Package: python3.7 on amd64 -- buster: 3.7.1-1; sid: 3.7.1-1 |
| 13:13.14 | shtrb | ikarosuusi, I do not think debian stable even have python3.7 |
| 13:13.24 | ikarosuusi | shtrb I think a target is missing a link library |
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| 13:20.40 | ikarosuusi | I wish the pytorch people would help me but they are always busy or sleeping. |
| 13:21.30 | jelly | ikarosuusi: wtf is "anaconda environment" |
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| 13:21.54 | ikarosuusi | it's the thing where you write "conda activate" |
| 13:22.06 | jelly | and that does what? |
| 13:22.18 | ikarosuusi | and then the terminal says (base) in front of your username |
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| 13:22.31 | jelly | set up a separate build of python interpreter independent of system distro python? |
| 13:22.46 | ikarosuusi | might be |
| 13:23.00 | jelly | python3.7 is not somthing you got from Debian |
| 13:23.02 | ikarosuusi | I do have 3.7 installed prior to anaconda though.. |
| 13:23.04 | shtrb | ikarosuusi, you are in a debian (stable) you are asking about a how to perform a build for a specific software which is not packaged in debian, we need learn your system to help you |
| 13:23.31 | jelly | ikarosuusi: which debian release is this supposed to be, also what does "which python3.7" say |
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| 13:23.56 | ikarosuusi | it's uhh I don't know man.. it's propably 9 |
| 13:24.01 | jelly | !debian suite |
| 13:24.02 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
| 13:24.13 | ikarosuusi | I have "testing" as my main repository |
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| 13:24.41 | jelly | ouch |
| 13:24.54 | ikarosuusi | cat /etc/debian_version says buster/sid |
| 13:24.57 | jelly | that's unreleased branch |
| 13:25.18 | jelly | you rpobably shouldn't use it unless you're really comfortable with debian |
| 13:25.58 | colo-work | or you like pain |
| 13:25.59 | ikarosuusi | I'm pretty comfortable with it unless I'm trying to build something huge because I don't know how to read the makefiles etc |
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| 13:28.40 | ikarosuusi | like.. I don't even know if I make a change to some file then does it actually reflect to the build process, do I need to clean some cache |
| 13:28.43 | ikarosuusi | I don't know |
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| 13:28.50 | ikarosuusi | I don't know how to know |
| 13:29.01 | ikarosuusi | I ack for some keywords and I end up in files. |
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| 13:31.34 | jelly | ikarosuusi: perhaps "python cmake LDFLAGS examples" ? |
| 13:31.51 | jelly | if you're just looking for keywords |
| 13:31.53 | ahub | Hey, I've setup a SMB share, and it works (yay) but for some reason it's not detected automatically by windows users (they have to manually enter the ip address in their explorer window). I'd like to fix that but don't know where to look. I checked that nmdb.service is started and it is. |
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| 13:32.03 | ikarosuusi | Like I just found a file that has nicely laid out "# ==== (end of line here) # Target rules for targets named cuda_packedtensoraccessor_test |
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| 13:32.47 | ikarosuusi | And those point to more files |
| 13:33.06 | ikarosuusi | I guess that's the right direction |
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| 13:34.16 | ikarosuusi | This is one of the lines: make[2]: *** [caffe2/CMakeFiles/cuda_packedtensoraccessor_test.dir/build.make:99: bin/cuda_packedtensoraccessor_test] Error 1 |
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| 13:34.54 | ikarosuusi | From the build process. So I guess that's a path I should go down to and see what's there. |
| 13:35.05 | BCMM | ahub: do you have a matching workgroup name? |
| 13:35.06 | jelly | ikarosuusi: when doing builds, consider the whole output and start with the _first_ error that happens, not the last or some in the middle |
| 13:35.55 | jelly | ikarosuusi: also, make sure you have all the necessary -dev packages installed |
| 13:36.12 | ikarosuusi | jelly, well the first error says it's got undefined reference to some symbol at some ".so" |
| 13:36.37 | ikarosuusi | I guess another version of gcc or g++ would have made that connection... |
| 13:37.40 | ikarosuusi | But with this version I think I need to add that -lcudart to connect to the .so for that target. So that middle line I just pasted is my "next clue" as to where to look for the right place to link a right thing to another right thing. |
| 13:37.40 | ahub | BCMM, what do you mean matching workgroup name ? |
| 13:37.52 | ahub | Between the windows users and the debian box ? |
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| 13:38.24 | BCMM | ahub: yes (i assume you're not using an actual domain?) |
| 13:38.41 | ahub | BCMM, you're correct |
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| 13:42.21 | shtrb | which ahub in windows pre AD we used to use workgroups (usually "WORKGROUP" without quote marks). you must make sure you have only ONE broadcaster in the net |
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| 13:42.57 | ikarosuusi | but I ended up in the build/ folder |
| 13:43.04 | retrojeff | 20 min later my font cache updated and cpu is back to normal |
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| 13:44.15 | ahub | shtrb, well, my smb.conf does have a `workgroup = WORKGROUP` in it, but i've no idea what that means/does nor what the 'single broadcaster' you are talking about is |
| 13:44.40 | BCMM | ahub: well, what workgroup is your windows machine using? |
| 13:44.43 | shtrb | ahub, now check what workgroup the users have (it should be the same) |
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| 13:44.57 | BCMM | you can press windows key + break to check |
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| 13:45.13 | ahub | thanks, asking a colleague ... |
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| 13:45.30 | BCMM | ahub: the "workgroup" is basically just an arbitrary name that should usually be the same on machines that share folders over SMB (if you want life to be easy, anyway) |
| 13:45.47 | jelly | ikarosuusi: if you want any help it's better to pastebin the complete command(s) used and whole output |
| 13:46.06 | jelly | !paste |
| 13:46.06 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net or https://0bin.net/ | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 13:46.48 | shtrb | and disable the homegroup on the clients |
| 13:47.09 | ahub | Ok, so I just checked, my colleague has the same name : "WORKGROUP" all uppercase |
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| 13:48.08 | g0 | When executing 'dh binary ...', it so happens that it just exits (probably because the target is already done) - but is there some verbose option flag I can use to find out more? |
| 13:48.21 | shtrb | ahub, single broadcaster one SAMBA server working as a master. can you see if setting up " lm announce = yes " and restart of smbd solve the issue ? |
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| 13:50.52 | shtrb | and local master = yes just remember to revert it because if you have a different windows server in the net it will become crazy |
| 13:51.03 | ahub | i don't |
| 13:51.10 | ahub | lm announce did nothing |
| 13:51.14 | ahub | i'll try local master |
| 13:51.33 | shtrb | can you fire up wireshark on the windows machine to see the anoncment after you restart the server ? |
| 13:52.06 | shtrb | that setting go to [global] section |
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| 13:52.42 | BCMM | ahub: long shot maybe, but how is the network configured? are they on the same subnet? is the subnet mask identical? |
| 13:52.44 | ahub | shtrb, I can't use wireshark on that machine, at least not today, my colleague is using it |
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| 13:52.55 | ahub | BCMM, yes they are |
| 13:53.25 | shtrb | ahub, you can ask any windows user to fire it up. you should see an announcement of from workgroup |
| 13:54.07 | shtrb | wait, win10 users ? |
| 13:54.15 | ikarosuusi | Ok this is the command and the output: https://pastebin.com/4X3yDsTG |
| 13:54.20 | BCMM | ahub: also can the clients resolve anything else from netbios names, e.g. other windows machines on the network? just in case there is some firewall that doesn't actually permit broadcast |
| 13:54.35 | ikarosuusi | It might look daunting, but I think the error starts to unravel at line 2503 |
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| 13:54.45 | ikarosuusi | Which is pretty close to the end |
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| 13:55.17 | ahub | shtrb, no windows user have wireshark i'll ask to borrow a PC for next week |
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| 13:55.43 | shtrb | BCMM, correct a broadcast may be blocked, and win10 by default disable some smbv1 and v2 |
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| 13:55.51 | ikarosuusi | There's a ton of very promising lines before that so you know.. my work so far has rewarded me with optimism |
| 13:55.57 | ahub | BCMM, well, if they enter a netbios name such as `\\debian-box` it doesn't work, but if they do it with the IP address it works |
| 13:56.00 | shtrb | ahub, if you run a second machine and try to visit smb:/ do you see your data ? |
| 13:56.07 | shtrb | lol |
| 13:56.09 | BCMM | ahub: right, but what about other netbios names? |
| 13:56.20 | shtrb | that's a different issue you need to run wins or a dns server |
| 13:56.40 | shtrb | ahub, you already have wins server with samba that you can use |
| 13:56.48 | BCMM | ahub: for example, if you go to a windows machine and type `ping <netbios name of another windows machine>`, what happens? |
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| 13:56.51 | ahub | BCMM, none are listed, just an internet box and a random smartphone |
| 13:57.12 | BCMM | ahub: trying to see if netbios isn't working on your linux box, or if netbios plain isn't working on the network at all |
| 13:57.15 | shtrb | ahub, enable a wins server or a dhcp server (or even hardcode an ip) |
| 13:57.21 | ahub | shtrb, if I do `smb://debian-box-ip` it works from my own linux laptop |
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| 13:58.20 | shtrb | ahub, I didn't guess your first problem with what you meant , I thought browsing was not working (that is why I went to the broadcast flow , and lm anonunce) you need to have working dhcp or wins server to convert a machine name to a an ip |
| 13:58.58 | BCMM | shtrb: how does dhcp do that exactly? |
| 13:59.07 | ahub | there is a DHCP running on the network (the internet box that is) |
| 13:59.10 | shtrb | you have that option in the next ways : a dns server, a wins server , static ips, etc |
| 13:59.31 | shtrb | BCMM, I'm two things at once it doesn't he need a DNS |
| 13:59.45 | shtrb | *I'm going two things at once and had a brain fart |
| 13:59.46 | BCMM | you don't need a WINS server to resolve netbios names - on small networks, it's usual for it to all happen over broadcast packets |
| 14:00.04 | BCMM | i.e. when you want to resolve a netbios name, you just yell at the whole network and see who responds |
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| 14:07.35 | ikarosuusi | Ok I think I'll watch some news about the climate change to alleviate the pains from this building procedure for a while. |
| 14:07.58 | tokenman | greetings to you - beloved debian community - i have a question about - does any one of you know about a piece of management software, which you can install on a client running debian which enables the server part also running debian to administer the client - like software you would like to install on thin clients to manage them all from one server machine - thanks for any suggestion! |
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| 14:11.48 | ikarosuusi | Oh btw: Hilarious climate changes for everyone! |
| 14:12.12 | ikarosuusi | Apparently it's going to be quite the ride so let's make the best out of it! |
| 14:12.12 | jelly | ikarosuusi: those do in fact go to #debian-offtopic :-) |
| 14:12.19 | ikarosuusi | Oh yeah sorry. |
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| 14:24.38 | micw__ | Hi. I had a strange issue with apt pinning: I added a pinning for docker-ce to "version 18.06.* prio 500" followed by "version * prio -1"-. after that i added the repo and updated. |
| 14:24.45 | micw__ | apt did not show any installable versions |
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| 14:25.04 | micw__ | apt-cache policy showed _all_ docker-ce versions to -1 |
| 14:25.09 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 14:25.09 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 14:25.40 | jelly | micw__: also add the preferences file in there |
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| 14:25.49 | micw__ | then I changed the pinning from "18.06.*" to "18.06*", apt-cache policy showed versions 18.06.* correctly as prio 500. |
| 14:26.00 | micw__ | then i changed it back and it still works |
| 14:26.19 | micw__ | jelly, the problem is that it's not reproducible. once it works it remains working |
| 14:26.26 | micw__ | i did this on 3 identical servers |
| 14:26.42 | micw__ | just wanted to know if there is some caching of the policies or so |
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| 14:28.27 | jelly | micw__: I don't think there is, but it's horribly easy to use slightly incorrect syntax in preferences and apt often won't complain directly |
| 14:29.02 | micw__ | a typo or so was my 1st guess too |
| 14:29.09 | micw__ | i try to reproduce it in a docker container |
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| 14:34.57 | j0seph | Hi all. Running Debian 9.6 Stable here, Gnome 3.22. I'm looking at htop, and I see an "avihi-daemon" using approx. 70% of my CPU. Is this considered normal? |
| 14:35.15 | j0seph | or 'acceptable'? |
| 14:35.16 | greycat | avahi, probably |
| 14:35.28 | greycat | and no, I wouldn't think that's normal |
| 14:35.41 | Ede|Popede | around 0.0% here |
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| 14:36.48 | j0seph | Hmm, right, okay. This is concerning then, as it is reaching highs of about 95% at times. |
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| 14:37.30 | j0seph | Is there a known way of 'solving' this? I take it avahi is a particularly important daemon, or no? |
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| 14:37.48 | greycat | Does "journalctl -u avahi-daemon" give you any hints as to what might be wrong? |
| 14:38.10 | BCMM | j0seph: do you have anything on the LAN that could be spamming mdns packets? |
| 14:38.57 | BCMM | e.g. a buggy network media player or printer |
| 14:39.15 | j0seph | BCMM: I have no idea. I'm connected to a public, University network if that helps. Would Wireshark help determine this? |
| 14:39.23 | BCMM | j0seph: wireshark would, yes |
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| 14:40.11 | BCMM | j0seph: i would *hope* a uni network wouldn't allow multicast packets from other clients to actually reach you, but you never know |
| 14:40.48 | BCMM | perhaps, rather than a single buggy device, you're just getting DDOSed by every apple product on a huge network |
| 14:41.28 | j0seph | BCMM: aha, well, journalctl is telling me I 'joined' the mDNS multicast group, with my interface and my IP address, and blah blah blah. |
| 14:41.56 | j0seph | having said that, seeing as I have the output, where would you prefer I paste it for you to read? pastebin, or some other? |
| 14:42.44 | micw__ | jelly, problem is not reproducible in docker. I'll reinstall one of the servers and retry |
| 14:43.31 | greycat | j0seph: if you don't really need to participate in the local Windows/Apple ad hoc networks, you might consider simply stopping avahi-daemon entirely. |
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| 14:43.57 | mason | avahi, from the mind that brought you systemd |
| 14:44.09 | mason | and pulseaudio |
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| 14:44.22 | j0seph | greycat: goodness, I don't need any of that. I just need the internet. Haha. |
| 14:44.49 | greycat | as root, "systemctl stop avahi-daemon" to stop it for now, and "systemctl disable avahi-daemon" if you want to stop it permanently |
| 14:44.53 | colo-work | (three things that I, personally, wouldn't want to miss any more) |
| 14:45.00 | BCMM | j0seph: it doesn't sound like journalctl is telling you anything unusual there. but if you want to pastebin it, i think there's a debian pastebin as mentioned in the /topic |
| 14:45.01 | BCMM | !paste |
| 14:45.01 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net or https://0bin.net/ | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 14:45.33 | BCMM | j0seph: you could probably also just forget about the problem and disable avahi-daemon, if you're not actually using it |
| 14:46.10 | BCMM | it's basically just for "service discovery", i.e. finding stuff like network printers without having to type in IP addresses or anything like that |
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| 14:46.57 | BCMM | (so it's possible that the uni network is badly configured and just has an overwhelming number of devices to discover) |
| 14:47.25 | j0seph | BCMM: I consider that likely, yeah. Heard of something called eduroam? |
| 14:48.07 | BCMM | j0seph: yes. i'm unsure how much configuration is standardised, and how much it varies by institution, though |
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| 14:49.32 | BCMM | j0seph: anyway you can easily verify whether that's the problem using wireshark, if you're already comfortable using that |
| 14:49.36 | j0seph | BCMM: I'm not sure what it's worth, but eduroam has a particular reputation for being incredibly unreliable and unpredictable. how that factors into how it is configured (or vice versa) i'm unsure. but it wouldn't surprise me in the least. |
| 14:49.50 | BCMM | i remember eduroam just being plain weird |
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| 14:52.03 | BCMM | j0seph: or you could do `avahi-browse -ac` and see if there's a huge list of devices it already knows about |
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| 14:53.04 | greycat | ,file avahi-browse |
| 14:53.08 | judd | Search for avahi-browse in stretch/amd64: avahi-utils: usr/bin/avahi-browse |
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| 14:53.48 | imj0seph | well, that CERTAINLY didn't work, haha |
| 14:54.51 | BCMM | j0seph: lol, what didn't? |
| 14:55.59 | j0seph | BCMM: I first tried stopping the daemon, to which it didn't stop in spite of it saying the job stopped. I tried disabling the daemon entirely, to which I was booted off of the network. |
| 14:56.49 | BCMM | wait, you can't actually need zeroconf to join eduroam, can you? |
| 14:56.54 | BCMM | i can't see how that would make sense |
| 14:57.08 | j0seph | http://paste.debian.net/1053727 This is the output. Bear in mind I entered the sudo password on the graphical prompt that GNOME brought up. |
| 14:59.06 | j0seph | I'll give it another go, this time writing sudo. |
| 15:00.34 | j0seph | BCMM: okay, so it's dead now, entirely. I suppose me disconnecting was a coincidence |
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| 15:00.45 | j0seph | thanks for the help. you too, greycat |
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| 15:03.21 | WoC | trying to compile my own kernel, but i am missing something, any ideas as to what ? make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'debian/certs/test-signing-certs.pem', needed by 'certs/x509_certificate_list'. Stop. |
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| 15:19.37 | hdqn | hello |
| 15:20.20 | j0seph | hdqn: hello |
| 15:20.31 | hdqn | why would `alias sudo='sudo '` not let me tab-complete commands after `sudo`, e.g. `update-alt<Tab>` completes to `update-alternatives`, but `sudo update-alt<Tab>` doesn't complete at all |
| 15:20.38 | hdqn | is this dash's fault? |
| 15:21.17 | xand | why have you created that weird alias? |
| 15:21.29 | WoC | very confusing indeed |
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| 15:22.56 | hdqn | actually this isn't for tab-completion, but alias expansion after sudo, so not related I guess |
| 15:22.59 | hdqn | A trailing space in value causes the next word to be checked for alias substitution |
| 15:23.02 | hdqn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.04 | hdqn | man 1 bash |
| 15:23.06 | WoC | hdqn, looped aliases are bad ;] |
| 15:23.13 | hdqn | that's not a loop. |
| 15:23.17 | hdqn | there's a trailing space |
| 15:23.54 | hdqn | anyway, alias is unrelated. Question still stands: why can't I tab-complete commands after sudo? |
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| 15:24.26 | WoC | unalias that and it should work |
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| 15:25.07 | hdqn | no, it won't... 1) it's why I tried the alias in the first place; 2) it's unrelated; 3) you're wrong, this alias works fine on other boxes |
| 15:25.28 | WoC | k, then i |
| 15:25.32 | hdqn | to be perfectly clear: I unaliased and it still doesn't work (like it already didn't, but for the record...) |
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| 15:25.50 | WoC | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.03 | hdqn | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
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| 15:26.18 | hdqn | the command itself completes fine, just not after sudo |
| 15:26.36 | hdqn | I mean after `sudo ` is typed in, not after `sudo -i` ie. root shell or whatever |
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| 15:26.59 | hdqn | `sudo ec<Tab>` should complete to `sudo echo` and it doesn't do anything when I <Tab> |
| 15:27.14 | WoC | Hmmm, actually, noticed the same thing on my system, no tabs after sudo [; |
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| 15:31.29 | hdqn | solved: installed bash-completion |
| 15:31.36 | hdqn | have a blast day folks |
| 15:31.38 | hdqn | o/ |
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| 15:47.56 | alkisg | Hi guys, I want to install buster using "the usual/recommended/most common" desktop environment, which I assume would be Gnome? I don't want the netinst version, I'm looking for a CD or DVD version. |
| 15:47.57 | alkisg | Soooo... https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ ==> XFCE, while https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/ ==> 3 DVDs |
| 15:47.57 | alkisg | Which one do I want? Would the first DVD the be enough? |
| 15:48.01 | alkisg | *there |
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| 15:49.54 | shreyasminocha | i don't have grub-mkconfig on my debian system. is this expected? how can i install it? |
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| 15:50.18 | nkuttler | !tell shreyasminocha about search |
| 15:50.51 | shreyasminocha | did search |
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| 15:51.03 | shreyasminocha | https://duckduckgo.com/?q=debian+grub-mkconfig+missing |
| 15:51.12 | nkuttler | ,find grub-mkconfig |
| 15:51.16 | judd | Search for grub-mkconfig in stretch/amd64: grub-common: usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig |
| 15:51.17 | nkuttler | shreyasminocha: not using the right tool.. |
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| 15:51.27 | shreyasminocha | oh, okay |
| 15:51.30 | shreyasminocha | my mistake |
| 15:51.33 | jhutchins_wk | !debian-next |
| 15:51.33 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:51.51 | jhutchins_wk | alkisg: You should probably join that channel for Testing support. |
| 15:52.08 | jhutchins_wk | alkisg: Remember, you are testing software that is expected to be broken from time to time. |
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| 15:54.27 | n4dir | Last time i checked the main difference between an installation CD iso and the netinstall CD is that for one you download the stuff *before* installing, for the other during installation. If you got a usual, reliable network connection, i see no advantage in not using the netinstall iso. alkisg |
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| 15:55.38 | greycat | A "full CD" has more obsolete packages on it than the netinst does. When you install, and there's a newer version available as a security update, it won't matter whether it was on your CD or not, because you're going to download it from the security mirror anyway. |
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| 15:55.41 | alkisg | Thank you jhutchins_wk and n4dir; heading there |
| 15:55.55 | n4dir | good luck and all. |
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| 15:56.05 | alkisg | greycat: typically, netinst = 1 hour, full cd + update = 20 mins... due to net, probably |
| 15:56.08 | alkisg | (of installation time) |
| 15:56.17 | greycat | But yes, in theory, there could be a brief period of time where a package exists on your CD and has no security updates yet, in which case, it will be installed from the CD. |
| 15:57.19 | greycat | A larger installation medium makes sense if you plan to do several installs from it. |
| 15:58.11 | alkisg | When the download speed is 80mbps, downloading an 1 GB iso takes 5 mins, while downloading just 500 MB of .deb packages may need 20 mins... it's because of the handshaking etc I think |
| 15:58.52 | alkisg | I.e. in my experience the netinst method was always extremely slower than the cd/dvd one |
| 15:59.12 | n4dir | i always downloaded the CD isos, but without any good reason. Probably out of habit. |
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| 15:59.45 | n4dir | but each method should work, i think, so to each his own. |
| 16:00.06 | petn-randall | alkisg: Your claim makes no sense. Both the iso and the security updates go over http, so any "handshaking" will be the same. |
| 16:00.39 | alkisg | petn-randall: one connection vs multiple connections; I'm not claiming that I have the answer, I do have the timing observation though |
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| 16:02.36 | greycat | Sometimes an individual mirror can be a bit sluggish, too. But in my universe, "80mbps internet" sounds entirely mythical. |
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| 16:05.52 | alkisg | greycat: http://ftp.ntua.gr/debian-cd/9.6.0/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-9.6.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 16:05.52 | alkisg | /dev/null 7%[=> ] 269,10M 9,37MB/s eta 5m 23s |
| 16:05.56 | alkisg | *wget |
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| 16:06.45 | alkisg | 3.4 GB => 5 mins... |
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| 16:11.21 | ikarosuusi | So what's the deal with the cuda that comes with nvidia-drivers |
| 16:11.26 | ikarosuusi | why does it exist? |
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| 16:11.52 | ikarosuusi | It makes things actually work for someone? |
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| 16:12.15 | NetTerminalGene | i think it is about computational power |
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| 16:12.34 | ikarosuusi | The nvidia-drivers are lagging behind anyway |
| 16:12.47 | ikarosuusi | Why add more stuff to that lag |
| 16:12.57 | ikarosuusi | On purpose? |
| 16:13.12 | ikarosuusi | I mean does it actually do something for someone? |
| 16:13.12 | NetTerminalGene | you can do scientific calculations with cuda stuff |
| 16:13.28 | ikarosuusi | Does it work? The one that's shipped with the debian packages.. |
| 16:13.59 | ikarosuusi | There's a ton of different versions of cuda, this is arbitrarily... 9.1 |
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| 16:14.33 | ikarosuusi | And that comes with a driver that's supposed to support 9.2 |
| 16:14.42 | hansol | heho |
| 16:14.42 | ikarosuusi | But when you run tests, it doesn't |
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| 16:15.05 | ikarosuusi | So I pull nvidia-drivers from experimental, because "doing anything else is a suicide" note on the debian website |
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| 16:15.36 | ikarosuusi | I'm always supposed to use the official debian nvidia-drivers, either from non-free or the nouveau ones |
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| 16:15.50 | sidstar | #latex |
| 16:16.11 | xand | #rubber |
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| 16:16.36 | hansol | i cancelled mailman installation then i start again but it install's automaticlly, after i type command newlist mailman - i have this: List already exists: mailman |
| 16:16.47 | ikarosuusi | is the cuda a punishment for me? |
| 16:16.56 | ikarosuusi | because I even asked debian about the non-free stuff |
| 16:17.03 | ikarosuusi | is this a fossian joke? |
| 16:17.16 | NetTerminalGene | ikarosuusi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUDA |
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| 16:17.25 | karlpinc | ikarosuusi: The idea is that everything packaged for stable works together. Go outside the box if you care to but be prepared to handle the consequences. |
| 16:17.42 | ikarosuusi | But we're living in a changing world |
| 16:17.49 | ikarosuusi | Technology keeps evolving |
| 16:18.10 | BCMM | ikarosuusi: what is your actual problem with CUDA? |
| 16:18.23 | ikarosuusi | A stable world is one that died already, because the new world emerged on top of it, and there's no room for 2 in 1 place except in a shroedingers cat situation |
| 16:18.24 | BCMM | ikarosuusi: ... you don't think CUDA support should be included in the nvidia driver??? |
| 16:18.25 | petn-randall | this ^ |
| 16:18.54 | petn-randall | ikarosuusi: Unless you have an actual question, that would be better served on a blog. |
| 16:18.55 | ikarosuusi | I didn't sense any cuda support back when I was using the one that was included |
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| 16:19.36 | ikarosuusi | Also, nice way of putting it in somewhere no guide would offer me to install it |
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| 16:19.56 | BCMM | ikarosuusi: are you asking why cuda exists at all? or why it's not packaged separately from the nvidia opengl driver? or something else? |
| 16:20.55 | ikarosuusi | No I'm saying try building a machine learning library with debian. |
| 16:20.56 | cluelessperson | so I wonder |
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| 16:21.06 | cluelessperson | what's the best way to support measuring all sorts of items on servers? |
| 16:21.17 | g0 | cluelessperson: a measurement device of your choice, I suppose |
| 16:21.19 | cluelessperson | log items as they come? periodic |
| 16:21.32 | karlpinc | ikarosuusi: Don't use guides. Either read the manuals, get help from us (or the mailing list, etc), or, sometimes, get help from the original authors. Getting help from some random "guide" on the internet is a last resort. |
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| 16:22.06 | ikarosuusi | I'm using the "guide" that pytorch (for example) is proving |
| 16:22.11 | ikarosuusi | The same thing for tensorflow |
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| 16:22.44 | karlpinc | ikarosuusi: That's help from the original authors. |
| 16:22.47 | ikarosuusi | At the moment, I'm giving pytorch instructions to look at /usr/local/cuda for libraries |
| 16:23.28 | ikarosuusi | but ldconfig -v gives me libcudart.so.9.1 -> libcudart.so.9.1.85 which is in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ |
| 16:24.17 | karlpinc | ikarosuusi: Often with python it's best to use the "latest stuff" and install in a virtual environment. I don't know what you're doing so can't say if that's a good idea in your case but if you want more help with that ask on #python. |
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| 16:25.57 | ikarosuusi | BCMM: why is it not packaged separately? |
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| 16:28.03 | karlpinc | ikarosuusi: (At least using "the latest stuff" with python is good if you're developing in python.) |
| 16:28.25 | BCMM | ikarosuusi: are you talking about nvidia-cuda-toolkit, or literally about support being in the driver itself? |
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| 16:29.36 | ikarosuusi | BCMM: I'm puzzled; which packages I can remove so I can still retain my functioning install at /usr/local/cuda which I did from nvidia runfiles? |
| 16:30.13 | BCMM | cluelessperson: what sort of things do you want to measure? have you looked in to lm_sensors, for things like temperature, voltage and fan speed? |
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| 16:30.40 | BCMM | ikarosuusi: ah, so you're trying to have the driver from debian, but the CUDA toolkit directly from nvidia? |
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| 16:32.05 | ikarosuusi | Yes and only because I usually end up breaking the X temporarily while trying to install the drivers from nvidia and I might actually blame debian documentation for that one as well. |
| 16:32.40 | ikarosuusi | It's like we've decided to have a hard go at our own serving of this quite essential part of the machine |
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| 16:34.01 | BCMM | ikarosuusi: i still don't get what you mean by "the cuda that comes with nvidia-drivers" |
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| 16:34.33 | BCMM | ikarosuusi: seems to me that you don't get the cuda toolkit with just nvidia-drivers, at all |
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| 16:34.44 | hansol | how to reinstall mailman ? |
| 16:35.11 | ikarosuusi | well where did those packages come from |
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| 16:35.35 | ikarosuusi | I have like 9 packages of cuda installed |
| 16:35.52 | BCMM | ikarosuusi: i don't know - what did you install? |
| 16:35.56 | BCMM | ikarosuusi: which files or packages, specifically, seem to be the problem? |
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| 16:36.26 | BCMM | no cuda-specific packages seem to be direct dependencies of nvidia-kernel-dkms or nvidia-driver |
| 16:36.30 | ikarosuusi | How the foss would I know |
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| 16:37.16 | ikarosuusi | propably this "libcudart9.1" |
| 16:37.24 | BCMM | ikarosuusi: look, what *do* you know? it sounds like you installed cuda, and now you're not happy that cuda is installed |
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| 16:38.12 | BCMM | ikarosuusi: well, what happens if you uninstall that with apt? |
| 16:38.12 | ikarosuusi | I know it sounds like it, but it's not like it. Even if it is, it's not completely like it. |
| 16:38.33 | ikarosuusi | I think I saw cuda being installed with nvidia-driver |
| 16:38.49 | ikarosuusi | So I might have thought to install the other cuda related packages as well at some point. |
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| 16:39.13 | BCMM | if you install cuda packages, then cuda packages will get installed |
| 16:39.22 | BCMM | i don't think there's a distro out there that will help with your problems... |
| 16:39.43 | BCMM | try removing those packages - does apt want to remove the nvidia driver with them, or anything else critical? |
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| 16:39.47 | ikarosuusi | But it's wrong in debian though |
| 16:39.52 | BCMM | if not, just go ahead and uninstall them! |
| 16:40.08 | ikarosuusi | It's not even cuda 8, cuda 9, 9.1, 9.2 and cuda 10 |
| 16:40.12 | ikarosuusi | it's just cuda |
| 16:40.23 | BCMM | i'm sorr, but what does that even mean? |
| 16:40.51 | BCMM | you literally just said you've got libcudart9.1 installed |
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| 16:40.54 | ikarosuusi | yeah you tell me, I don't know, it's propably just a byproduct of rapidly growing industry |
| 16:40.57 | BCMM | that's the cuda runtime, version 9.1 |
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| 16:41.42 | ikarosuusi | a lot of changes in the ML parts of GPU architechtures so they go with different versions and all that matters when trying to build stuff. |
| 16:41.59 | ikarosuusi | and how would I even know if the installed stuff was conflicting |
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| 16:42.27 | ikarosuusi | And SURE, I'll remove those, and see if I hit problems, but I think that's going to take a long while until we see results. |
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| 16:42.51 | hansol | IOError: [Errno 2] No template file found: 'emptyarchive.html' |
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| 16:46.55 | karlpinc | I swear I have problems finding R in apt every time. Is there a better way to search for the damm thing? |
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| 16:48.57 | greycat | !r |
| 16:48.57 | dpkg | R is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. To install: "aptitude -r install r-base". http://wiki.debian.org/R http://wiki.debian.org/DebianScience/R http://www.r-project.org/ #r on irc.freenode.net. And it's "are", not "r". See also <plotting>. |
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| 16:49.54 | hansol | where are saved mailman list's files ? |
| 16:50.04 | karlpinc | Humm. Maybe that should be "aptitude install r-recommended" Anyway good idea, ask dpkg. |
| 16:50.34 | karlpinc | hansol: I'm pretty sure in /var/lib. |
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| 16:51.56 | annadane | what is the general way of freeing up disk space for another distribution if i have debian already installed to the entire drive, just gparted and follow instructions? |
| 16:52.26 | ikarosuusi | karlpinc do grep "^r-" and you'll find it easier |
| 16:52.49 | greycat | Do you really want a second Linux OS in parallel to Debian, able to be booted directly? Or do you just want one inside a VM or container or chroot? |
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| 16:52.59 | karlpinc | annadane: If you're going to mess around with re-partitioning existing partitions you might consider using LVM. |
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| 16:53.21 | karlpinc | greycat: Good question. |
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| 16:58.08 | ikarosuusi | Hey everyone why are we using debian? Is it out of habit like me? |
| 16:58.40 | theCorvus | because we like it? |
| 16:58.42 | ikarosuusi | Also, what happened to the management of debian when Ian passed away? |
| 16:59.09 | ikarosuusi | Wasn't his notion that an open source project needs quality leadership. |
| 16:59.16 | ikarosuusi | How is that handled nowdays? |
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| 17:00.14 | ikarosuusi | Also: What's happening to linux? Microsoft is sitting at the Linux Foundation, does that even matter? |
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| 17:01.14 | xand | ikarosuusi: he wasn't in charged of it for years. |
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| 17:01.36 | ikarosuusi | Ok so not a big issue then regarding that matter. |
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| 17:02.07 | ikarosuusi | But do we have some goal with our distro? |
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| 17:02.23 | bites | annadane: depends on the fs you use too. if you use ext4, online shrinking is not supported. means you need to do it from a different system where the fs you want to shrink is not mounted. |
| 17:02.49 | karlpinc | ikarosuusi: It works. It upgrades without reinstall. It has lots of packages so I can use the Linux secret-sauce of getting everything from one source and preventing my system from eventually plugging up and having to reinstall. |
| 17:03.12 | karlpinc | ikarosuusi: And it has good support. |
| 17:03.27 | karlpinc | ikarosuusi: And a small install footprint when I want that. |
| 17:03.33 | j0seph | It's stable. (If you choose stable, that is.) |
| 17:03.49 | ikarosuusi | I've never touched the stale version |
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| 17:03.59 | ikarosuusi | It's been stable enough for me. |
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| 17:05.02 | hansol | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.04 | karlpinc | ikarosuusi: We have 2 goals: DFSG and to make a universal OS. The latter has had the shiny slightly worn off. |
| 17:05.18 | ikarosuusi | DFSG? |
| 17:05.34 | ikarosuusi | reading on it |
| 17:05.45 | karlpinc | !dfsg |
| 17:05.46 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
| 17:06.26 | ikarosuusi | Ok but Ian worked at Docker, right? |
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| 17:06.43 | ikarosuusi | Now the main page of docker says make your windows cool, or something along the lines |
| 17:06.56 | ikarosuusi | and now microsoft is at the linux foundation |
| 17:07.33 | ikarosuusi | I feel like microsoft is trying to catch me even |
| 17:08.19 | xand | they're gonna get you |
| 17:08.36 | j0seph | NT gon' give it to ya |
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| 17:12.49 | ikarosuusi | no honestly I'm saying there are spies among us |
| 17:12.58 | ikarosuusi | pushing code that's designed to break in two years |
| 17:13.12 | ikarosuusi | when the pieces finally fit together |
| 17:13.18 | hansol | ***** Distutils is not available or is incomplete for /usr/bin/python |
| 17:13.19 | hansol | ***** If you installed Python from RPM (or other package manager) |
| 17:13.19 | hansol | ***** be sure to install the -devel package, or install Python |
| 17:13.19 | hansol | ***** from source. See sec. 15.1 of the Installation Manual for |
| 17:13.29 | petn-randall | !paste |
| 17:13.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net or https://0bin.net/ | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 17:14.36 | hansol | i have installed Python |
| 17:14.43 | ikarosuusi | Another question: is a hacker can get into iranian nuclear facility, how is my Debian making sure all of my computer time is private? |
| 17:14.53 | ikarosuusi | is=if* |
| 17:15.21 | petn-randall | ikarosuusi: Do you have an actual support question? If not, I recommend continuing this discussion in a different channel. |
| 17:15.27 | annadane | ikarosuusi, use #debian-offtopic |
| 17:15.45 | annadane | hansol, try to collect your information in one place, we're not understanding what you're saying if spread across multiple lines |
| 17:16.12 | annadane | state your problem and what you've tried, either in one or two lines or in a pastebin |
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| 17:17.36 | mason | petn-randall: I think he's asking, how is firewall formed? |
| 17:17.57 | joepublic | I am using debian because it has a vibrant and active community of competent people committed to security, stability, and free software, who maintain debian to a high standard according to the social contract and DFSG, and publicly and promptly disclose all reported bugs. |
| 17:18.10 | joepublic | not "out of habit" or "because I like it", though both of those are true as well. |
| 17:18.13 | hansol | annadane, sure |
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| 17:22.53 | petn-randall | mason: hahaha |
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| 17:26.35 | hansol | im trying to install mailman downloaded package from source when im typing ./configure i have thiss error: brew uninstall postgresql && brew install postgresql --with-python3. |
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| 17:26.50 | mason | hansol: You're almost certainly better off using the Debian package. |
| 17:26.59 | mason | brew? |
| 17:27.02 | hansol | im trying to install mailman downloaded package from source when im typing ./configure i have thiss error: checking that Python has a working distutils... configure: error: |
| 17:27.13 | j0seph | errr. |
| 17:27.15 | mason | hansol, are you trying to install mailman downloaded package from source? |
| 17:27.24 | hansol | yes from sourceforge |
| 17:27.24 | mason | On your Mac? |
| 17:27.59 | mason | hansol: If you're not running Debian, I'd strongly recommend it, and if you are, I'd strongly recommend using the package Debian ships. |
| 17:28.16 | hansol | from here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/mailman/ |
| 17:28.30 | xand | and if not, errr this is #debian not #mailman |
| 17:28.36 | joepublic | ,v mailman |
| 17:28.37 | judd | Package: mailman on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.1.15-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:2.1.15-1+deb7u3; jessie: 1:2.1.18-2+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1:2.1.18-2+deb8u2; stretch-security: 1:2.1.23-1+deb9u3; stretch: 1:2.1.23-1+deb9u4; buster: 1:2.1.29-1; sid: 1:2.1.29-1 |
| 17:28.45 | jelly | ,v mailman3 |
| 17:28.45 | BCMM | hansol: are you using brew? |
| 17:28.45 | judd | Package: mailman3 on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 3.1.1-9~bpo9+1; buster: 3.2.0-2; sid: 3.2.0-2 |
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| 17:28.59 | hansol | mason, cancelled frist installation then start it again but its not creatig apache.conf file |
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| 17:29.28 | jelly | hansol, which debian release are you using? |
| 17:29.33 | hansol | debian 9 |
| 17:29.44 | jelly | do you want mailman 2.1 or 3? |
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| 17:30.26 | hansol | 2.1 |
| 17:30.34 | jelly | then use the debian package |
| 17:30.42 | BCMM | hansol: can you post completely output of ./configure? i still don't get why it mentions brew |
| 17:30.43 | hansol | if i wan 3 ? |
| 17:31.05 | jelly | hansol, then you'd probably be pointed to /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 17:31.22 | hansol | check this: after command newlist mailman |
| 17:31.23 | hansol | https://pastebin.com/nUA2G1TX |
| 17:31.53 | joepublic | looks like 3.1.1 is in stretch-backports |
| 17:31.54 | BCMM | jelly: mailman3 is in stretch-backports btw |
| 17:32.18 | BCMM | it's just the package is called mailman3, not mailman |
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| 17:32.31 | jelly | BCMM, yes, see judd's answer above |
| 17:32.42 | j0seph | How much trouble would I get myself into if I added testing/unstable to my lists, and only use it to get gnome 3.26 from it? has anybody tried this with any results? |
| 17:32.44 | hansol | i install apt-get install mailman3 ? |
| 17:32.58 | mason | ,break |
| 17:33.02 | mason | hrm hrm |
| 17:33.07 | BCMM | hansol: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 17:33.19 | mason | !sid |
| 17:33.20 | dpkg | sid is probably the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 17:33.35 | mason | j0seph: ^ |
| 17:33.42 | joepublic | j0seph, the answer is "a lot" due to different library versions. If you want testing, best to run testing. |
| 17:33.56 | jelly | hansol, that's a weird stack trace from newlist, which languages do you have enabled for mailman? |
| 17:34.25 | hansol | bash: deb: command not found |
| 17:34.36 | hansol | jelly, i enabled en |
| 17:34.43 | j0seph | mason, good command for telling you what sid is, but I already know what it is, and it doesn't really answer my question. joepublic, thank you. |
| 17:35.08 | hansol | jelly, change language from conf file ? |
| 17:35.20 | mason | j0seph: It does answer it. Things are likely to break. You asked how much trouble it would cause. It will be a lot. |
| 17:35.24 | hansol | then restart ? and go newlist again ? |
| 17:35.30 | mason | j0seph: You're better off running provided backports if they exist. |
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| 17:36.15 | joepublic | i don't know that i'd want to run gnome from backports. it's got its fingers into nearly everything... |
| 17:36.32 | j0seph | as far as I know, gnome isn't in backports. unless my eyesight is bad. |
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| 17:36.49 | jhutchins_wk | j0seph: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 17:37.18 | jhutchins_wk | j0seph: In most cases, mixing releases or distributions usually ends up with a reinstall. |
| 17:37.30 | hansol | ?? |
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| 17:38.33 | jelly | hansol, does file /var/lib/mailman/templates/en/newlist.txt exist? |
| 17:38.46 | j0seph | jhutchins_wk, thanks for the heads up. read this article before, but I thought it was just referring to Ubuntu PPAs. |
| 17:39.52 | hansol | jelly, nope |
| 17:40.04 | jhutchins_wk | I blew up a fairly early release of RedHat by installing Mandrake packages on it, so it's not limited to Debian. |
| 17:41.04 | hansol | IOError: [Errno 2] No template file found: 'newlist.txt' |
| 17:41.04 | hansol | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.13 | jelly | hansol, pastebin the outputs of: "ls -la /var/lib/mailman/templates/" and "debconf-get-selections|grep mailman" |
| 17:41.27 | jelly | !paste |
| 17:41.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net or https://0bin.net/ | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 17:42.24 | jelly | hansol, something got broken during template generation (at package installation, more precisely configuration, time) or even earlier |
| 17:42.55 | hansol | ls: cannot access '/var/lib/mailman/templates/ and debconf-get-selections': No such file or directory |
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| 17:43.16 | jelly | those were two separate commands |
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| 17:43.35 | jelly | hansol, first is: ls -la /var/lib/mailman/templates/ |
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| 17:43.49 | jelly | hansol, second is: debconf-get-selections|grep mailman |
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| 17:44.23 | jhutchins_wk | hansol: The advice you get here is mostly sound, but you shouldn't run commands from some random irc volunteer unless you have at least some idea of what the command is going to do. |
| 17:44.27 | hansol | jelly, https://pastebin.com/PVixbRPD |
| 17:44.28 | ^CeLL^ | is it possible to redirect ports using iptables on a raspberry? |
| 17:44.46 | jelly | ^CeLL^, if it is running linux, probably |
| 17:45.05 | ^CeLL^ | it's running debian |
| 17:45.18 | ^CeLL^ | i'm running a blog on port 80 |
| 17:45.29 | mason | ^CeLL^: Yeah, do it the way you'd do it anywhere. |
| 17:45.47 | hansol | jhutchins_wk, #debian is trusted channel |
| 17:46.02 | ^CeLL^ | i want to open other port on the router and make the pi redirect it to port 80 |
| 17:46.17 | ^CeLL^ | is it possible? |
| 17:46.20 | jelly | ^CeLL^, raspbian is different from debian, btw, if you're actually running raspbian ask about things in #raspbian ... but for this particular question #Netfilter might be more appropriate |
| 17:46.45 | mason | ^CeLL^: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i whatever0 -p tcp -d whatever --dport 80 -j DNAT --to whatever |
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| 17:47.23 | mason | ^CeLL^: Just like in Debian, you can drive a script that sets this stuff up out of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:47.50 | jelly | hansol, sorry. you'll need to install debconf-utils for that second command |
| 17:48.34 | joepublic | hansol, anyone can join here and talk. you did. |
| 17:49.44 | jelly | hansol, also: ls -la /var/lib/mailman/templates/en/ |
| 17:50.31 | hansol | jelly, https://pastebin.com/jz45ReVN |
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| 17:51.10 | hansol | jelly, https://pastebin.com/DZv779Bn |
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| 17:51.28 | jelly | so the templates directory is empty |
| 17:52.01 | hansol | also i have not all files in /etc/mailman/ |
| 17:52.19 | greycat | !confmiss |
| 17:52.20 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 17:52.20 | hansol | apache config file is missing |
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| 17:53.18 | hansol | i canceled installation frist time i run it, and second time with same command did not get install settings it install automaticlly |
| 17:53.38 | jelly | hansol, run "dpkg-reconfigure mailman", make sure to select en again at the question for "Languages to support:" |
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| 17:54.43 | jelly | hansol, or, if you do not have anything in mailman yet, purge the package (apt purge mailman, for example) and install it again. |
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| 17:55.52 | hansol | jelly, raise IOError(errno.ENOENT, 'No template file found', templatefile) |
| 17:55.53 | hansol | IOError: [Errno 2] No template file found: 'newlist.txt' |
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| 17:55.59 | hansol | again same |
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| 17:56.57 | jelly | hansol, did dpkg-reconfigure show something like "Installing site language en ........................... done." ? |
| 17:57.00 | hansol | jelly, after apt purge mailman |
| 17:57.11 | hansol | again run command apt-get install mailman ? |
| 17:57.20 | jelly | right |
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| 17:57.43 | hansol | jelly, configs show yes, but when typed newlist mailman i have that error |
| 17:58.20 | jelly | hansol, is the directory /var/lib/mailman/templates/en/ still empty? |
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| 17:59.02 | hansol | jelly, done now |
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| 17:59.12 | jelly | done what? |
| 17:59.14 | hansol | afther purge its done |
| 17:59.23 | hansol | i did not get error again after newlist mailman |
| 17:59.37 | hansol | i have apache.conf file |
| 17:59.44 | jelly | it is weird you had to purge twice, but okay |
| 17:59.56 | hansol | nope it was first time |
| 18:00.27 | hansol | did not remember 2nd time first time |
| 18:00.30 | hansol | thanks you so much |
| 18:02.00 | jelly | hansol, an "apt-get remove ..." does not remove all bits of a package. Generated data and config files are only wiped with an "apt-get purge ..." action, so that can be helpful if you want to wipe a messy package and start with it again |
| 18:02.11 | jelly | !purge |
| 18:02.11 | dpkg | "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use «aptitude purge $package» or «dpkg -P $package» (note: before wheezy, you can't 'apt-get purge' a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: «aptitude purge '~c'». To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 18:02.49 | hansol | thanks you again i did know that |
| 18:03.30 | jelly | (confmiss would not have been useful for this particular package... most stuff in /etc/mailman is actually generated in postinst scripts) |
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| 18:04.42 | jelly | hansol, that stuff that newlist wrote, you may need to add it manually to /etc/aliases and run newaliases afterwards, to make list address actually work |
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| 18:05.58 | jelly | hansol, read /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Debian if you haven't already |
| 18:06.26 | hansol | jelly, |
| 18:06.32 | hansol | you are correct |
| 18:06.47 | jelly | that happens. |
| 18:06.57 | hansol | im following tutorial right now it was inside |
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| 18:07.15 | jelly | do we need to repeat !tutorials |
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| 18:07.54 | hansol | no ofc |
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| 18:09.51 | jelly | they rarely say what to do if things go wrong, or how things can usually go wrong with certain components |
| 18:10.57 | annadane | what is the way to not have the feh background be checkered? /usr/share/doc/feh/examples/themes doesn't say anything |
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| 18:12.37 | happygilmoregent | anyone having trouble installing selinux because check-selinux-installation throwing errors |
| 18:13.12 | joepublic | Is anyone? I bet at least one person is. |
| 18:13.14 | greycat | sounds like a question that the bug tracker could answer |
| 18:13.27 | happygilmoregent | ok |
| 18:13.39 | happygilmoregent | thanks |
| 18:13.50 | joepublic | what an odd conversation |
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| 18:14.27 | annadane | there is this https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/426526/how-to-permanently-set-default-color-of-fehs-background-to-black |
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| 18:14.44 | greycat | People are both strange and stupid. I bet this one is thinking, "I'll come back later and repeat the exact same idiotic words and hope for a more spoon-feeding crowd." |
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| 18:18.30 | bites | annadane: in man feh, look at the BACKGROUND SETTING section. |
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| 18:46.58 | SerajewelKS | is there a CLI tool on debian that will reformat SQL statements? |
| 18:47.15 | joepublic | sed will do it. |
| 18:47.45 | SerajewelKS | har |
| 18:48.04 | jelly | reformat them _nicely_? |
| 18:48.07 | joepublic | I use sed to reformat SQL statements in several backup scripts. It's a real thing. |
| 18:48.22 | greycat | perhaps one of the database front-end interfaces (psql, mysql) can do it? |
| 18:48.31 | petn-randall | reformat them from SQL to JSON? |
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| 18:48.55 | SerajewelKS | petn-randall: that would not be reformatting, that would be transpiling |
| 18:49.12 | joepublic | "format from SQL to JSON" sounds kind of like "translate from Russian to pentatonic scale" |
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| 18:49.41 | SerajewelKS | jelly: "nicely" in the sense of at least giving some sensible newlines and indentation. it doesn't have to be 100% perfect. |
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| 18:51.08 | jelly | "apt-cache search indent sql" shows a result library for a language I shall not name |
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| 18:56.47 | jelly | eugh. |
| 18:56.52 | jelly | php /usr/share/doc/php-sql-formatter/examples/cli.php <<< "select foo from bar, baz where bar.id = baz.barid and baz=name like '%CAKE%'" |
| 18:57.06 | jelly | COLORS |
| 18:57.57 | greycat | Is there a unicornsay program yet? |
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| 18:58.42 | jelly | https://github.com/erkin/ponysay |
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| 18:59.24 | greycat | I know there's cowsay, and even cowsay -f unipony, but I was thinking of something that just does the rainbow-barf color thing. |
| 18:59.37 | bites | lolcat? |
| 18:59.47 | joepublic | figlet? toilet? |
| 19:00.07 | jelly | piping through toilet is an option, yes |
| 19:00.21 | greycat | Damn, 27.4 MB to install lolcat? |
| 19:00.32 | jelly | ,depends lolcat |
| 19:00.33 | judd | Package lolcat in stretch/amd64 -- depends: ruby | ruby-interpreter, ruby-trollop (>= 1.16.2), ruby-paint (>= 0.8.3). |
| 19:00.55 | greycat | why on earth does it need "ruby-did-you-mean" and "ruby-test-unit" and so on... |
| 19:01.27 | jelly | you may have been trolloped |
| 19:02.44 | jelly | https://imgur.com/UYE5gqy (fortune|cowsay|lolcat screenshot) |
| 19:04.22 | jelly | that must be old, I was still using Terminator Bold as a replacement for 8x16 VGA font |
| 19:04.25 | greycat | Does seem to be aimed at a dark background. When I tried it on my terminal, the initial light green was rather hard to read. |
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| 19:06.15 | greycat | echo "select count(*) from ntests where site = 'MAIN';" | cowsay -f hellokitty | lolcat |
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| 19:06.30 | greycat | There you go, perfect SQL formatter. |
| 19:06.33 | bites | there is also lolcat -a. it's horrible. |
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| 19:08.35 | joepublic | I must say that is a lot easier than using sed. |
| 19:08.52 | jelly | and probably more useful! |
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| 19:44.19 | iovec | I have Dpkg::Progress-Fancy "0"; Apt::Color "0"; in my apt.conf.d/99disablecolor yet apt still shows me the green progress bar, what am I doing wrong? |
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| 19:46.30 | trysten | I installed the qemu-kvm package but when i run kvm it i `Could not access KVM kernel module: No such file or directory` |
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| 19:51.30 | trysten | If I'm running as root, it couldn't be a group-permission thing, right? |
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| 19:54.16 | joepublic | To see whether root is all-powerful, run sudo find /run/user > /dev/null |
| 19:54.32 | joepublic | if it returns errors, root is clearly not all-powerful. |
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| 19:55.38 | rocketmagnet | hi folks |
| 19:56.15 | somiaj | trysten: check dmesg, on many machines you have to turn on the virt feature of your cpu to get the kvm module for amd or intel to load (I'd have to look up the name of the module) |
| 19:56.18 | rocketmagnet | i've the problem that notify-send doesn't show me any popup :X, i tried adding it to my main pannel but the icon don't appear when i want to add it :x |
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| 19:58.26 | somiaj | trysten: the module name is kvm_intel or kvm_amd depending on your cpu. You may have to reboot the machine, get into your firmware (use to be called BIOS) and turn the virtualization feature on for the module to correctly load. |
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| 19:59.02 | trysten | somiaj: i just have kvm.ko. Is that because I am on testing -.- I'm sorry |
| 19:59.29 | trysten | And sure enough, it was complaining about hardware virtualization each time i was running `modprobe kvm` |
| 20:00.41 | somiaj | trysten: no, kvm is one of the module, kvm_intel and kvm_amd are additonal modules needed to access the virtulaiztion on your hardware. As I said, it isn't uncommon for this to be disabled in your bios by default, you need to enable it to load the module. |
| 20:01.04 | somiaj | I had to on all my machines turn on this feature to get hardare virutlaization (kvm). If you just want software virtualization, use qemu. |
| 20:02.01 | somiaj | dmesg should usually give you an error message telling you what I just said |
| 20:02.17 | joepublic | I suppose there is a kvm-hygon and a kvm-centaur as well? |
| 20:03.14 | somiaj | unsure, most guides I see only focus on intel and amd hardware. |
| 20:03.35 | somiaj | and it could be that other hardawre uses the asme spec as either intel or amd and won't need a separate module |
| 20:03.46 | joepublic | hygon is an amd product and I am not sure centaur even has virtualization to be honest. |
| 20:05.28 | Tenkawa | qemu/kvm was designed for intel/amd cpus |
| 20:05.55 | Tenkawa | anything else has been ports |
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| 20:06.25 | Tenkawa | linux-kvm.org is a good resource |
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| 20:10.20 | trysten | well, i enabled it in BIOS. `modprobe kvm` no longer complains in dmesg. Where do I get kvm_intel? |
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| 20:11.28 | trysten | Nevermind. I have kvm_intel and it's the one complaining. It still says that KVM is disabled by bios. :( |
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| 20:13.23 | RoyK | trysten: please pastebin /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 20:18.24 | fling | Is not there a config for 4.19? |
| 20:18.34 | corshinenalla | test |
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| 20:19.05 | fling | corshinenalla: tust |
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| 20:19.13 | iovec | I have Dpkg::Progress-Fancy "0"; Apt::Color "0"; in my apt.conf.d/99disablecolor yet apt still shows me the green progress bar, what am I doing wrong? |
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| 20:20.57 | trysten | Will do. This laptop is pretty old. I flipped the option to `enable UEFI` and it said i shouldn't enable this experimental feature. Classic. |
| 20:21.00 | trysten | http://paste.debian.net/1053772/ |
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| 20:25.54 | rwp | trysten, Try running 'lscpu' and looking at what is listed in the "Virtualization:" field. Should say VT-x I think. |
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| 20:26.36 | RoyK | trysten: vmx is there - should work, then, regardless of UEFI or not |
| 20:26.55 | rwp | (My "Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7600 @ 2.33GHz" laptop handles KVM just fine. As a datapoint.) |
| 20:27.06 | Tenkawa | whats the problem? |
| 20:27.35 | Tenkawa | is it in that paste? (looks) |
| 20:27.44 | rwp | Note that switching the BIOS config for UEFI on and off might not boot if incompatible with what is installed to disk. Might need to flip it back if that happens. |
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| 20:29.34 | trysten | rwp: Indeed. I didn't change it. |
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| 20:29.51 | trysten | RoyK: yup, VT-x. |
| 20:29.55 | Tenkawa | trysten: can you remind me what you are trying to do? |
| 20:31.36 | rwp | trysten, Are you trying to run qemu-kvm raw yourself without any wrappers? Personally I suggest using libvirt to manage the VM system. Lots of details handled automatically that way. |
| 20:32.07 | somiaj | fling: there should be, debian provides them in /boot/config-version |
| 20:32.18 | trysten | Well, I'm actually just trying to get qemu working to test a booting flash drive. But the current issue is that kvm isn't working with qemu. Installing libvirt now |
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| 20:32.37 | somiaj | fling: this is if you are using kerenls from a debian package. |
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| 20:33.26 | Tenkawa | trysten: did you pastebin your startup line for your vm? |
| 20:33.59 | Tenkawa | theres a lot of variables that can break it |
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| 20:36.28 | trysten | I'm just running kvm which is a wrapper for `qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm` |
| 20:36.33 | trysten | No other options. |
| 20:36.56 | Tenkawa | that needs more options |
| 20:37.29 | Tenkawa | like your storage, io, ram , cpus, etc |
| 20:37.38 | Tenkawa | you have to define a host |
| 20:37.42 | rwp | trysten, Just for an example, here is a libvirt managed kvm (with lots more options than needed, basically a full set): http://paste.debian.net/1053775/ |
| 20:38.14 | rwp | I do not know what is the minimum set of options. :-) |
| 20:38.47 | Tenkawa | rwp: yeah it can be different on scenario hehehe |
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| 20:39.17 | trysten | qemu-system-x86_64 opens a X11 window and runs with zero options. I don't think my lack of config is the reason for it not working |
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| 20:39.57 | Tenkawa | yeah because running it that way i think defaults to software emulation of nothing |
| 20:40.15 | Tenkawa | minimally you'd have to pass -cpu kvm |
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| 20:40.39 | rwp | Using a wrapper manager like libvirt has pros and cons. On the good side it does a fair job of managing all of the complexity. |
| 20:40.42 | rwp | On the bad side it means I don't learn what is really going on inside the box and have become dependent upon the tool doing the right thing and can get stuck when it doesn't. |
| 20:40.45 | trysten | Wth. It's working now. |
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| 20:41.23 | Tenkawa | trysten: did you change anything? |
| 20:41.30 | rwp | It is possible that installing libvirt brought in a dependency that you were missing. Or triggered some other action helping you. |
| 20:41.39 | Tenkawa | yay |
| 20:41.41 | trysten | o.o I'm so confused. the lines.. YEAH! rwp, i think that's it |
| 20:42.43 | rwp | You could double blind things by 'apt-get purge --auto-remove libvirt-bin' or whatever and get back to your previous state, reboot, and then try again. :-) |
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| 20:43.04 | Tenkawa | rwp: haa |
| 20:43.13 | rwp | Note that purge does purge so look at what you are doing. (Use 'etckeeper' FTW!) |
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| 20:43.40 | Tenkawa | i've gotten into trouble that way before with my bad memory |
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| 20:44.43 | rwp | I have become very reliant upon having /etc in version control using 'etckeeper' and it allows me to purge without any fear because I can always recover. |
| 20:44.58 | trysten | rwp++ for awesome app |
| 20:45.05 | Tenkawa | good idea btw |
| 20:45.22 | rwp | But note that /var/log/dpkg.log is available to look at what was pulled in as a dependency when you installed libvirt. |
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| 20:45.29 | rwp | You might see something there that makes sense is needed. |
| 20:45.50 | agio | rwp what about $HOME? there is a lot of config in threre too |
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| 20:46.16 | trysten | agio: i already have my ~ configs all versioned |
| 20:46.20 | rwp | $HOME should be part of your standard backup system. You have an automated and reliable backup configured, right? :-) |
| 20:46.46 | rwp | And before someone says it, RAID is not backup. |
| 20:46.51 | agio | no, because I have my $HOME in an encrypted LVM |
| 20:47.41 | trysten | rwp: what if you just constantly swap a bunch of drives in a RAID1 |
| 20:47.42 | agio | its a virtual partition in LVM volume group |
| 20:47.45 | trysten | :P |
| 20:47.49 | rwp | agio, My $HOME is on an encrypted VG too. But it also gets automated backups too. |
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| 20:48.37 | agio | is it possible - to reinstall debian - and keep that $HOME vg partition? |
| 20:48.57 | rwp | trysten, "Consistently" meaning whenever you think of it? Or "consistently" in that it happens automatically? |
| 20:49.00 | agio | knowing that it's buried in that LVM physical volume? |
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| 20:49.27 | jhutchins_wk | You'd want a backup of it anyway, just restore that. |
| 20:49.29 | trysten | rwp: I was trying to be funny. Imagine constantly degrading and rebuilding your raid1 as your "backup" |
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| 20:50.04 | rwp | agio, Yes. But I wouldn't trust it with my only copy of the data. But doing a manual re-install you can choose to use an existing VG and all of the LVs in it. |
| 20:50.12 | trysten | rwp: fyi: purging libvirt-clients and rebooting to test |
| 20:50.25 | rwp | I have no trust about such things and would be too fearful that a simple mistake would lose my data. But it should work. |
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| 20:51.49 | agio | rwp right, so this is a separate (but related) issue to backing up. so if you use the manual partitioner during install, you can keep the $HOME VG, but have the partitioner replace the / partition/VG with the new debnian install? |
| 20:51.50 | rwp | trysten, I know you were joking but I think something like that might fit the criteria. Easier to use other solutions though. |
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| 20:52.56 | rocketmagnet | how can i install the opengl man pages ? |
| 20:53.27 | rwp | agio, Yes. Exactly. It will allow you to active the existing VG and you assign partitions for installation. You do NOT need to have /home assigned at install time. I would leave it unmounted and then add it later. So that I could twiddle with the first user created at install time. |
| 20:54.05 | rwp | agio, This assumes that you don't need to change any of the underlying disk partitions. Can't change traditional partition table to GPT or the reverse or anything. |
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| 20:54.40 | rwp | I would still feel very much safer doing something even very simple such as copying $HOME off to a removal media and then restoring it later. |
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| 20:55.42 | agio | rwp: cool, I don't need to rewrite MBR. Its going into the same hardware |
| 20:55.44 | rwp | If you have LVM then some very powerful features are available. I upgraded a 1T 512 byte sector disk with an MSDOS partition table to a 3T GPT just the other day. |
| 20:55.59 | rwp | I added the 2x 3T disks and constructed an mdadm software raid. |
| 20:56.30 | rwp | Then I pvcreate'd and added those to the VG. Then ran pvmove to pour the data from the old to the new. |
| 20:57.00 | rwp | Then grub-install on the new disks. Then updated /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf and updated the initramfs and rebooted. |
| 20:57.11 | rwp | Standing by on the console because that almost never works right the first time. |
| 20:57.35 | rwp | Rebooted using the debian-installer in rescue mode. Assembled the raid using the Auto setting. Installed grub again. Rebooted. |
| 20:57.46 | rwp | Using the rescue mode has always worked. |
| 20:58.07 | agio | rwp: one issue with copying to USB, doing a clean repartitioning of disk, then copy data back off USB (using say rsync) is data corruption. how do you ensure that the copy on USB is bit-for-bit identical to the original, then how do you knoow the copy on the new debian install is the same as the copy on the USB? |
| 20:58.08 | rwp | That converted my system, mostly hot while running, from old partition tables to the new GPT. |
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| 20:59.31 | rwp | If you are concerned about the data integrity of the USB adapter (can be a problem, I have had it) then make a copy and either use md5sum to verify the copy. (You are not attacking yourself but use sha512 if you are.) |
| 20:59.46 | rwp | Or run rsync in --checksum mode to slowly read and scan all of the data for comparison. |
| 20:59.52 | trysten | rwp: then to clarify i said constantly, rather than consistently |
| 20:59.57 | rwp | Or use zfs which has many bit integrity checks built in. |
| 21:00.10 | agio | rwp how do you md5 a directory? |
| 21:00.55 | agio | shasumd{1,256} only work on files |
| 21:00.55 | rwp | agio, You can find examples on the web. Just knowing it is possible should enable you to find it. :-) |
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| 21:01.32 | trysten | rwp: purged libvirt-client, rebooted. Still works >.> |
| 21:01.53 | rwp | trysten, I am only poking at this because I have several times run across people who say they backup but they do it by hand and then something happens and the last manual backup they had was from 18 months ago. |
| 21:02.24 | rwp | Then the VM thing must have been something else that was done. (shrug) |
| 21:02.39 | trysten | I really appreciate the help. Thank you friend |
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| 21:03.35 | trysten | `kvm -hdb /dev/sdc` working. Thank you all for help |
| 21:04.15 | rwp | agio, You might consider: find . -type f -exec md5sum {} + |
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| 21:04.39 | agio | rwp: I've researched this, thats how i know, generating hashes aren't optimal/practical for verifying large amounts many GB's of data |
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| 21:05.19 | rwp | agio, What do you think of ZFS then? It has been on my todo list for literally years. I'll get there eventually. |
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| 21:06.04 | agio | rwp: If you use that find command, would you then actually need to save the output, then checksum that? that could work.. |
| 21:06.22 | rwp | Yes you definitely need to save the output of it. |
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| 21:06.47 | agio | rwp: yeah, ZFS and ButrFS are interesting |
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| 21:08.27 | agio | rwp: maybe? sha256sum "$( find . -type f -exec sha256sum {} + )" |
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| 21:11.26 | rwp | agio, Missing -c option. But that seems like a big noop cpu burning command. |
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| 21:12.14 | agio | which part using 256? becuause its too intensive? |
| 21:12.16 | rwp | Are you thinking find . -type f -exec sha256sum {} + | (cd /mnt && sha256sum -c -) ?? |
| 21:12.34 | rwp | Otherwise you are checksumming the files you just checksum'd. ?? |
| 21:12.44 | agio | am I understandnig the purpose of your origial command ? |
| 21:13.04 | agio | was your original find command intended to produce a single hash? |
| 21:13.10 | agio | as output? |
| 21:13.19 | rwp | I thought there was a worry that using a USB adapter might be flaky (I have seen problems) and so you wanted to verify the copy. No? |
| 21:13.30 | agio | correct |
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| 21:13.44 | agio | I want to verify the copy operation |
| 21:13.45 | rwp | The find command traverses an entire directory tree and produces hashes for every file it finds there. |
| 21:14.17 | rwp | Let's assume /home is a disk or partition and one mounts a second disk at /mnt. |
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| 21:14.24 | agio | right, which would give - in my case about 50,000 hashes |
| 21:14.38 | agio | I need a single hash |
| 21:14.43 | agio | for each copy |
| 21:14.50 | rwp | Then "rsync -ac /home/ /mnt/" would copy by doing full checksums of both. Would read every file. |
| 21:14.58 | rwp | Doing it again would read everything again. |
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| 21:15.22 | rwp | Or one could use find /home -type f -exec sha256sum {} + | (cd /mnt && sha256sum -c -) to verify it. |
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| 21:15.49 | rwp | Again, that would read every file on both completely. |
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| 21:16.15 | agio | I thought rsync's checksum occurs _before_ the copy operation (to decide whether the copy should take place at all) not as a verify - after the fact. Or am I wrong about that?? |
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| 21:16.29 | rwp | I don't understand "a single hash" for the entire copy. Doesn't exist. Not as long as the files are individual files. |
| 21:16.48 | rwp | If you want you can copy the raw partition data as a big data blob. If your other disk is big enough. |
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| 21:17.12 | rwp | Let's say you have a 500G /home partition and also have a 1T disk that you want to use to hold it. 1T is bigger than 500G. |
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| 21:17.33 | agio | the reasson you need a single hash is so you - as a human - can compare the hash from the harddrive to the hash produced by the files on USB |
| 21:18.00 | rwp | Then you could, if you wanted, cp /dev/sdbX or /dev/vg1/home (raw partition here) to /mnt/somefilename on the 1T disk. It would hold all of it as a raw blob. |
| 21:18.17 | rwp | Then copy it back afterward to a new raw partition of the same size. That is okay. |
| 21:18.34 | rwp | Or even use a 'loop' mount to mount the blob as a file system and copy things back later. That is also okay. |
| 21:18.41 | agio | but that still doesn't compare the copies |
| 21:19.20 | rwp | rsync's checksum on the first pass isn't a checksum if it knows there is no target yet and it needs to do the copy for the first time. That is simply a copy. |
| 21:19.24 | agio | you said eariler this: sha256sum "$( find . -type f -exec sha256sum {} + )" is missing the -c option? how? |
| 21:19.34 | rwp | On the second rsync pass with --checksum it will need to read and compare every file on both source and destination. |
| 21:19.48 | agio | oh, ok |
| 21:19.54 | rwp | It will then display to you (with -v or -P or other progress verbose option) that it needs to update the files that were found with bit differences. |
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| 21:20.08 | rwp | So it is a *second* pass with rsync that would be used for bit verification. |
| 21:20.16 | agio | I like that rsync idean |
| 21:20.26 | agio | idea |
| 21:20.34 | rwp | As a human 50,000 files would be too many to do by yourself. Would need the machine to do it for you. |
| 21:21.05 | rwp | md5sum et al produce checksums and use -c to check previous checksums. |
| 21:21.44 | rwp | "md5sum somefile1 somefile2 > MD5SUM.asc" generates the checksums. "md5sum -c MD5SUM.asc" checks them. |
| 21:22.13 | rwp | But can also use a pipeline to generate them from the source location and check them in the destination location all on the fly. |
| 21:22.27 | rwp | And even though I say md5sum this applies to the entire family. |
| 21:22.46 | rwp | People will argue that md5sum isn't cryptographically secure anymore. But you aren't attacking yourself. |
| 21:22.49 | agio | well, what I was meaning was if you checksummed all 50,000 checksums, that would give you a single hash for the entire archive |
| 21:23.21 | agio | I agree with the md5sum statement. I would be happy with md5 for verifying files |
| 21:23.22 | rwp | However if you have played with the collisions yourself and have colliding files on your disk then I guess you are! Then use one of the others. Just slower. That's okay. :-) |
| 21:23.25 | greycat | If the goal is simply to detect copying errors, md5 is sufficient. |
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| 21:24.23 | rwp | If you were to hash the list of hashes you could have a single hash. But if that fails, what would you know then? |
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| 21:39.37 | LaScoumoune | Hi all |
| 21:39.45 | Sveta | LaScoumoune hello :) |
| 21:39.52 | joepublic | Greetings. |
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| 21:40.49 | LaScoumoune | I have make an proxy squid ssl |
| 21:41.29 | LaScoumoune | And i would configurate the log section pour see more than accès.log is it possible ? |
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| 21:44.02 | joepublic | perhaps this may help? http://www.squid-cache.org/Doc/config/access_log/ |
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| 21:44.30 | LaScoumoune | Yea i have read this doc thank |
| 21:45.18 | LaScoumoune | i have find a other more make columns |
| 21:45.21 | joepublic | how about this one? http://www.squid-cache.org/Doc/config/logformat/ |
| 21:45.40 | joepublic | that lists all the possible columns. |
| 21:45.58 | LaScoumoune | yea that it |
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| 21:46.51 | joepublic | awesome. |
| 21:47.09 | LaScoumoune | omg |
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| 21:48.04 | LaScoumoune | the page not have a end |
| 21:48.23 | joepublic | it's pretty complete, I surely agree to that |
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| 21:48.31 | LaScoumoune | xD |
| 21:48.59 | LaScoumoune | at the end you have the default great that help me |
| 21:49.02 | LaScoumoune | xS |
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| 21:51.19 | LaScoumoune | Is it possible to vsee in custom log |
| 21:51.30 | LaScoumoune | if a client search HELLO in google ? |
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| 21:52.15 | LaScoumoune | that the GET |
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| 21:54.31 | joepublic | I don't understand the operation of the proxy well enough to be able to answer. |
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| 21:59.39 | LaScoumoune | I try to make the same processus like mitmproxy |
| 22:00.22 | joepublic | I understand what you want to log, I just do not know the answer. |
| 22:00.33 | joepublic | It has been several years since I set up a squid proxy. |
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| 22:01.19 | LaScoumoune | How can i'm sure, is it possible to log that with squid |
| 22:01.47 | joepublic | try it and see. |
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| 22:02.04 | LaScoumoune | Yea i try and try lol |
| 22:02.18 | greycat | If the client uses https to communicate with Google, then your proxy would not be able to see that traffic in the clear. |
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| 22:02.38 | LaScoumoune | i have set a root_CA |
| 22:02.49 | LaScoumoune | the browser have the cetificat |
| 22:02.59 | greycat | I don't know what that means, but it sounds like you are trying to do something reprehensible and illegal. |
| 22:03.07 | iovec | what apart from Dpkg::Progress-Fancy "0"; do i need to disable apt's progress bar |
| 22:03.45 | LaScoumoune | I just want see if is it possible, because mitmproxy do that in 5min just accept the certif |
| 22:04.03 | LaScoumoune | I want make a squid proxy ssl, but i dont want that insecure with an mitm |
| 22:04.24 | greycat | Ask #squid for advice. |
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| 22:04.47 | LaScoumoune | yea i have do that |
| 22:05.20 | LaScoumoune | i think i go read the doc about log |
| 22:05.45 | LaScoumoune | run with computer |
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| 23:34.12 | pikudoz | yo |
| 23:34.13 | annadane | if you delete a .qcow in virt-manager does it also delete the snapshot i took? |
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| 23:38.30 | rwp | annadane, I don't know but I think libvirt saves to /var/lib/libvirt/images/save and if not there then somewhere similar. Go look to see what is there or not there? |
| 23:39.33 | annadane | yeah, it's still there. guess you have to delete them yourself |
| 23:39.50 | pikudoz | snapshot is based on qcow state I guess |
| 23:40.03 | at0m | before delete, mv first then check. easy to revert. |
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| 23:41.29 | annadane | i had created one called generic, deleted the vm, started a new one (vm, not snapshot) also called generic, it's listed in /var/lib/libvirt/images but not in the graphical window in vjrt-manager, which makes me think that deleting a vm that has a snapshot doesn't also delete the snapshot |
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| 23:54.05 | InvisibleRasta | heya guys is there an iso with the iwlwifi drivers |
| 23:54.14 | InvisibleRasta | included |
| 23:54.32 | InvisibleRasta | cause the net isntall iso requires then a second usb drive i dont have :( |
| 23:55.19 | aphorise | InvisibleRasta you tried firmware bundeled versions? cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/ |
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| 23:56.43 | InvisibleRasta | aphorise: which one of those id need? |
| 23:56.49 | InvisibleRasta | there is a bunch im not totally sure |
| 23:57.10 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 23:57.10 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 23:57.21 | aphorise | InvisibleRasta FYI in my case I've had a lot of issues on my system specifically with I219-V intel wifi which is also part of iwlwifi - in my case 4.18 kernels heped. |
| 23:57.39 | aphorise | helped* |
| 23:58.06 | InvisibleRasta | im not sure which one i should grab of those |
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| 23:58.23 | jelly | amd64 -> iso-cd -> that one |
| 23:58.28 | InvisibleRasta | there is no netinstall iso with iwlwifi? |
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| 23:59.08 | InvisibleRasta | ah i see |
| 23:59.25 | InvisibleRasta | firmware-9.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso this one i thing |
| 23:59.36 | jelly | right |