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| 00:16.47 | agio | Ive installed debian on a 320G hd, and just bought a 1TB disk. is it possible to boot into a live USB and block copy the smaller disk MBR/partition table/filesystems onto the larger disk - then modify the partition table to extend the boundaries of the partitions out to utilise the larger storage capacity? |
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| 00:21.39 | mutante | agio: not an option to just keep the 320GB for the OS and use the additional 1TB as storage? like just mount it on /srv ? |
| 00:23.22 | fassl | maybe this helps https://kb.op5.com/display/COMMUNITY/Extend+root+partition+using+LVM#sthash.2jsoKylo.dpbs |
| 00:23.49 | agio | mutante: I've thought about that - its just that there is nowhere convenient to physically attach the 2nd drive (its a laptop) |
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| 00:24.50 | mutante | agio: i see.. well.. i know that you can extend the partition if you have LVM and free "extents" (PE's) |
| 00:24.56 | mutante | but not sure about the copying over part |
| 00:26.50 | agio | the copying over part should be easy: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb status=progress |
| 00:27.55 | mutante | it might work.. or you could .. connect the new one via USB, make 2 partitions on it. one for / and one for /home.. copy /home data from old to new... shut down laptop and actually replace the disk inside it. boot Debian installer. reinstall, select your new OS partition .. still have the data partition |
| 00:27.56 | fassl | but dont forget to set an appropriate bs ;) |
| 00:28.26 | agio | what would that do? |
| 00:28.41 | fassl | and also conv=sync,noerror in case it cannot read some blocks it won't fail and fill unreadable blocks with zeroes |
| 00:29.04 | fassl | thats the blocksize, if you dont set it you will copy 512 bytes each and it will take forever |
| 00:29.35 | fassl | bs=64K might be fine for most |
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| 00:30.02 | fassl | http://blog.tdg5.com/tuning-dd-block-size/ |
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| 00:31.28 | agio | why would taking small (512 byte) blocks cause dd to be so slow? does it try to reposition magentic head after each block or something? (assuming a spin disk of course) |
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| 00:33.44 | fassl | you are putting much more stress on the disk as you write just small blocks of data and many of them, while it possibly could handle bigger blocks at once |
| 00:34.01 | fassl | with the script in the link you can check for the best size to set for your target device |
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| 00:34.59 | agio | what about just set BS=1M ? |
| 00:35.06 | agio | guessimate? |
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| 00:36.04 | fassl | i was using 32M for a long time, until i figured for a disk i had, 64K had the highest throughput |
| 00:37.06 | agio | so then 1MB - about halfway between should be a good start point ? and I can make adjust up or down from there? |
| 00:37.11 | fassl | and from now on ill probably just use that, or check with that script what is be the best |
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| 00:38.07 | fassl | agio, you don't have to do it manually, the script will check "512b 1K 2K 4K 8K 16K 32K 64K 128K 256K 512K 1M 2M 4M 8M 16M 32M 64M" |
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| 00:38.25 | fassl | and show you the throughput for each |
| 00:40.14 | agio | fassl: yeah, I didn't like some of the assumptions that script made, e.g .reading zero's from /dev/null? that doesn't seem representitive of the kinds of files on my filesystem? |
| 00:41.23 | fassl | oh well yes, it checks the write speed of the target |
| 00:41.34 | fassl | and also dd does not care about filesystem |
| 00:42.40 | agio | yeah, I guess once you start to get into copying 100's of gig's these optimisations are important |
| 00:42.50 | agio | unavoidable, really |
| 00:43.58 | agio | so, if I don't set conv=noerror, by default when dd cannot read a byte or block from source disk, it will just drop 0's or null bytes on the destination? |
| 00:44.31 | agio | what does dd do when it can't read bytes from the source and "conv=noerror" is set? |
| 00:45.22 | fassl | without noerror, it would stop as soon as it encounters an error |
| 00:45.49 | fassl | with sync it will zero out the whole input block and copy that to the target |
| 00:46.17 | fassl | so if a single 512 byte block on input is broken and your bs=32M you will copy 32M of zeroes to the target because of this one bad block |
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| 00:49.57 | agio | wouldn't that be a case to reduce block size? to reduce this collateral data loss? 32 mb is huge - what if it came of the / partition? |
| 00:50.22 | agio | you could brick the system |
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| 00:53.55 | fassl | you don't actually loose the data, its just a copy of it, if you encounter errors, reduce the bs |
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| 00:57.00 | agio | cool, thanks for info :) |
| 00:57.27 | agio | will prob have to do a bit more reading on it |
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| 01:16.07 | AndyChow888 | e4defrag can increase extents??? |
| 01:16.10 | AndyChow888 | [72890/928815]/home/andy/Archive/IsoBackups/mb support cd.iso:100% extents: 19 -> 20[ OK ] |
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| 01:48.06 | aloo_shu | anyone who can walk me through configuring the matchbox DE? Documentation is near-inexistent. Specifically, I need to get matchbox-keyboard going |
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| 01:53.14 | aloo_shu | background: I'm running debian in a chroot under android, taking over the framebuffer, displaying the desktop, getting touch input read as mouse input all work, what I need is the virtual keyboard |
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| 03:04.03 | aloo_shu | anyone who can walk me through configuring the matchbox DE? Documentation is near-inexistent. Specifically, I need to get matchbox-keyboard going |
| 03:04.07 | aloo_shu | background: I'm running debian in a chroot under android, taking over the framebuffer, displaying the desktop, getting touch input read as mouse input all work, what I need is the virtual keyboard |
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| 03:06.19 | rant | how would I configure how much video memory I have? I got a Lenovo x240 w/ i5-4300U Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0a16] (rev 0b) and glxinfo says I have 153MB video memory and somehow I'm pretty sure the bios isnt dedicating 153MB |
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| 03:11.18 | rant | being that my system shows 3.6GB when I have 4GB, I'd say the bios is reserving more than this for video |
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| 03:17.14 | agio | aloo_shu: do you mean you are running debian on a mobile device? |
| 03:17.34 | karlpinc | rant: Either that or you're looking at the different between marketing GB and real GB. |
| 03:17.35 | aloo_shu | yes |
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| 03:18.35 | aloo_shu | agio: yes, kindle fire hd 7", has kernel 3.2, which forces me to use wheezy |
| 03:18.38 | AndyChow888 | You reserve memory also for ethernet and sound, etc. |
| 03:18.57 | agio | aloo_shu: cool, maybe ask in #android-dev ? |
| 03:19.08 | AndyChow888 | The SoC has plenty of use for memory. |
| 03:20.55 | annadane | soc? |
| 03:21.23 | aloo_shu | agio the info I need is specific to the matchbox environment, that's a debian (meta-) pkg until today, but poorly documented. I'd need someone who's used it before. but well, nothing to loose, could try |
| 03:22.02 | annadane | i'd maybe contact upstream directly |
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| 03:23.51 | aloo_shu | annadane: was that for me? upstream has changed into the yocto project, which documents building embedded OSs, but not the matchbox project it has swallowed |
| 03:24.40 | ryouma | what is marketing gb? |
| 03:24.54 | ryouma | rounded up? |
| 03:25.17 | aloo_shu | I just changed #matchbox' TS by years here :) |
| 03:25.39 | karlpinc | ryouma: Powers of 10, not powers of 2. |
| 03:26.06 | karlpinc | ryouma: So rounded down of course, so that Marketing can claim "bigger". |
| 03:27.07 | annadane | i don't remember which |
| 03:27.20 | annadane | GB is 1000 and GiB is 1024, or other way around? |
| 03:27.21 | AndyChow888 | GiB? |
| 03:27.24 | karlpinc | Gigabytes, Gibibytes. Marking won, so technology folks had to get new names. |
| 03:27.37 | karlpinc | annadane: That's the right way around. |
| 03:28.01 | ryouma | i've never completely understood the distinction in powers. hard drives are in si units, while memory is in ... what precisely? |
| 03:28.07 | annadane | which means GB is... smaller right? i'm tired and math is hard |
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| 03:28.24 | karlpinc | annadane: Yes. |
| 03:29.06 | AndyChow888 | Does it really matter? It makes no difference in practice. As long as you use the same base, consistently, your allocation is not going to suffer. |
| 03:29.20 | karlpinc | ryouma: Memory still has to be in powers of 2. IEC units. |
| 03:29.43 | annadane | so GB is the marketing term and GiB is the proper term. got it |
| 03:29.56 | annadane | s/term/unit/ |
| 03:30.32 | ryouma | but when you use an si unit sounding term to mean a power of 2, which powers of 2 specifically count? |
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| 03:30.38 | karlpinc | AndyChow888: If it's hardware, the computer likes powers of 2. If it's people, powers of 10. Unless the people are trying to think about computers. Or unless the people are trying to confuse other people and get their money. In the latter case it's whatever works. |
| 03:33.08 | karlpinc | AndyChow888: It starts to matter when you're calculating disk offsets based on block sizes, which are always in powers of 2. |
| 03:33.29 | ryouma | scsi vs. ata was the same difference |
| 03:33.36 | ryouma | 2^32 is 4 gibi? |
| 03:33.47 | ryouma | precisely so? |
| 03:34.20 | AndyChow888 | Doesn't really matter. The computer doesn't like powers of 2. It like 512 or 4k, for example, of block size. But it doesn't like any power of 2, just those it's optimized for. |
| 03:34.27 | annadane | does df measure in GB or GiB... |
| 03:34.27 | karlpinc | AndyChow888: When you're laying out disk partitions it matters because you want them on boundaries of Mib, a power of 2. |
| 03:34.57 | ryouma | annadane: --si |
| 03:35.01 | annadane | "-h print sizes in powers of 1024" |
| 03:35.06 | karlpinc | ryouma: Yes. 4Gib |
| 03:35.16 | annadane | so yeah GiB |
| 03:35.41 | AndyChow888 | karlpinc, but if you offset is 512 bytes, and the SSD has 4k block sizes, then you're crippling your SSD, even-though 512 is a power of 2. |
| 03:35.46 | annadane | yep. i have a "900 GB hard drive" |
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| 03:35.50 | annadane | grr |
| 03:36.01 | annadane | well whatever i need more storage anyway |
| 03:36.22 | karlpinc | AndyChow888: Sure. No matter though, it's conveinent to work in powers of 2 not powers of 10. |
| 03:36.22 | ryouma | it is all quite confusing |
| 03:36.28 | annadane | for all the wikileaks encrypted doc- i mean, my music collection |
| 03:39.18 | karlpinc | ryouma: Only work in powers of 2 and you won't go wrong. |
| 03:40.58 | ryouma | dunno i use df --si. this will go wrong? |
| 03:41.07 | AndyChow888 | In linux, human readable usually means 1024. So 4G is 4G, not 3.6G. The 3.6G shown is not because of conversion problems, it's hardware-reserved memory. As for the rest, splitting 1 kg in 4 pieces of 250 grams, or a lbs into 4 4oz pieces doesn't matter, in both cases each piece is a quarter of it's whole, regardless of the standard. |
| 03:41.51 | AndyChow888 | ryouma, define "go wrong" |
| 03:41.56 | annadane | this is too confusing. i propose we eradicate all technology and start over. |
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| 03:42.30 | ryouma | 4g is 4g means 4g is 2^32? |
| 03:42.35 | AndyChow888 | Even if we did, annadane, we'd eventually end back here. |
| 03:43.03 | ryouma | but we wouldn't have terminal issues, and we'd use sexp instead of xml/json/... |
| 03:43.05 | AndyChow888 | 4G, ryouma, but yeah |
| 03:44.48 | ryouma | what commands in debian do which by default? do they all do iec units? |
| 03:45.10 | ryouma | like rsync df etc. |
| 03:45.17 | AndyChow888 | You want us to list all commands? RTFM. |
| 03:45.31 | ryouma | nah just are they all the same |
| 03:45.46 | AndyChow888 | Oh really? |
| 03:46.04 | ryouma | ? |
| 03:46.33 | annadane | df --planck-units |
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| 03:46.59 | annadane | for the quantum physicists out there, oops, we measured it, now it's a completely different size |
| 03:51.05 | ryouma | rsync confuses you by making G mean one thing in one case and another thing in another case |
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| 04:01.48 | AndyChow888 | There is a reason, methinks. Because rsync is both about data and network, and both use different default bases. |
| 04:03.13 | ryouma | reporting transfers vs. specifying something |
| 04:03.32 | ryouma | so i think both can operate over network or not |
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| 04:04.01 | ryouma | max-size and human-readable |
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| 04:38.05 | rant | fwiw in re my video ram query http://paste.debian.net/1049190/ is my memory map as provided by this dirty python hack I just made: http://paste.debian.net/1049189/ |
| 04:38.58 | `whoami` | guys, some time ago i asked for some help because my acer laptop didn't manage efi correctly. |
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| 04:39.18 | `whoami` | guys, it's been like ... MONTHS that i'm using live systems on pendrives because of this buggy EFI |
| 04:39.46 | `whoami` | guys, next time someone has the same issue, tell them to install rEFInd on their usb key, and the system on their hard drive |
| 04:39.50 | `whoami` | guys, it will work |
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| 04:41.11 | rant | will prob work some more on that at some point to make it more precise, and translate PCIIDS, show floats, combine similar lines, etc |
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| 04:41.57 | annadane | does anyone know the package to have an actual pavucontrol icon in the xfce panel and not just a red x in a white box? |
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| 04:45.53 | rant | annadane: right click panel, Panel > Add New Items > PulseAudio Plugin |
| 04:46.18 | annadane | not exactly what i want; that's an extra click to actually get to the volume panel |
| 04:46.27 | rant | annadane: that plugin brings up pavucontrol when you right click it and select mixer, and shows a speaker icon |
| 04:46.29 | annadane | difference between pulseaudio plugin and pavucontrol |
| 04:46.42 | rant | then you just want a launcher for pavucontrol |
| 04:47.10 | annadane | yeah, with a graphic - i've had it before and now it's not there for whatever reason, installed using tasksel xfce |
| 04:48.05 | rant | annadane: when I add a launcher, and hit the + in the General tab and select PuleAudio Volume Control I get the icon of the app in the panel |
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| 04:50.01 | rant | annadane: you can also select the launcher in the General tab of the launcher properties then click the edit button (paper and pencil icon) and under edit launcher you can change the icon |
| 04:50.31 | annadane | https://imgur.com/a/SSDtT75 is the right click > panel > add new items > launcher > properties > add > pavucontrol |
| 04:50.40 | annadane | yeah, the icon which isn't actually there |
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| 04:51.55 | rant | annadane: are you adding it as "Run program"? |
| 04:52.51 | annadane | no? |
| 04:53.03 | annadane | whatever, it's just a small cosmetic thing |
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| 04:54.25 | annadane | i'll just add the one for pulseaudio plugin |
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| 04:55.45 | annadane | it's "audio mixer" i want from the pulseaudio plugin thing and it should have its own icon |
| 04:55.49 | annadane | it's like a spiral thing |
| 04:56.11 | rant | annadane: adwaita-icon-theme contains the /usr/share/icons/Adwaita/256x256/apps/multimedia-volume-control.png which is what I get |
| 04:56.34 | annadane | ii adwaita-icon-theme |
| 04:56.38 | annadane | well let me check |
| 04:56.41 | rant | there is also a 16, 22, 24, 32, 48, 64, 96px version |
| 04:57.12 | annadane | i have that. and that's the one i want |
| 04:57.16 | annadane | it just doesn't show up in the panel |
| 04:57.24 | rant | in stable? |
| 04:57.27 | annadane | yes |
| 04:57.40 | annadane | feh /usr/share blah blah gives that icon so it does exist |
| 04:57.54 | rant | odd.. this VM I'm using is a fresh install of XFCE and it works for me |
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| 04:58.26 | rant | I actually kinda like xfce now that you had me do something in it :P |
| 04:58.49 | rant | its rather cool how it does launchers and drawers in the same thing.. and the drawers are way cleaner than in mate-panel |
| 04:59.11 | annadane | so then the question is where do the icons in the add new item to launcher thing live and then i can just copy that image over |
| 04:59.32 | rant | it should be looking there.. but you can manually select the path |
| 04:59.41 | annadane | in the gui? |
| 04:59.48 | rant | pull down select icon from: and choos Image Files |
| 04:59.54 | rant | lets you browse to the location |
| 05:00.17 | rant | that icon should already be showing up from the Applications Icons though which should be searching that path |
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| 05:00.48 | annadane | ok well there, that does it |
| 05:00.57 | annadane | that's definitely not how i did it before but whatever, good backup |
| 05:02.07 | sahar69 | how can i use xfdashboard? stretch + xfce4.12 |
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| 05:02.30 | rant | installs strace and attaches it to xfce-panel |
| 05:03.10 | annadane | i like xfce because tasksel is useful for things i want later anyway and xfce doesn't come with the bloat of the other DE |
| 05:03.13 | annadane | DEs* |
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| 05:03.53 | annadane | and i've never liked how MATE looks |
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| 05:05.17 | annadane | sahar69, https://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfdashboard/manual i guess |
| 05:05.29 | annadane | taken from https://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfdashboard/start |
| 05:07.26 | annadane | other desktops feel like DESKTOPS with a capital d. xfce is just bare bones, panel here, panel there, decent keybindings and an easy way to change the defaults |
| 05:07.39 | sahar69 | wow so i have to download and build it first |
| 05:07.53 | annadane | i did a search and it's apparently not packaged in debian i think? |
| 05:07.58 | sahar69 | thanks my friends |
| 05:08.07 | annadane | seems that way |
| 05:08.41 | annadane | You have searched for packages that names contain xfdashboard in all suites, all sections, and all architectures. Sorry, your search gave no results |
| 05:13.10 | annadane | but yeah it feels more "build-your-own-desktop" than the others |
| 05:13.23 | annadane | whereas cinnamon screams flashy bullshit |
| 05:15.04 | annadane | and obviously there's window managers but window managers lack some functionality you'd like a DE to have |
| 05:15.06 | n4dir | pretty much the only left DE i still would consider using. |
| 05:17.11 | annadane | the themes are prettier than MATE. and the applets are better than cinnamon's. cinnamon also has something like 4 revisions between stretch and sid, xfce has 1 |
| 05:17.13 | sahar69 | xfdashboard require libwnck 3.0 in stretch named libwnck-3-0 so .configure can't find it . what should i do? |
| 05:17.19 | annadane | so it won't change that much when buster releases |
| 05:18.02 | n4dir | sahar69: perhaps a *dev file. |
| 05:18.12 | sahar69 | ok, i'll try |
| 05:18.31 | n4dir | sahar69: when it comes to such i shoot in the dark. But often *dev works. |
| 05:18.51 | AndyChow888 | sahar69, you could softlink it. |
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| 05:20.38 | rant | annadane: fwiw http://paste.debian.net/1049189/ strace -e trace=file -oslog -p 578 which is creating a log of all file signal calls from xfce4-panel when going through adding a launcher for pavucontrol then editing the icon.. |
| 05:20.43 | sahar69 | its work n4dir thanks |
| 05:20.53 | n4dir | sahar69: ah, good. |
| 05:21.20 | rant | annadane: as I figured, it searches all the /usr/share/icons, pixmaps, etc, then copies the pavucontrol.desktop file info to your ~/.config/.. from /usr/ |
| 05:21.32 | rant | annadane: idk wth yours is doing, but thats what should happen |
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| 05:24.11 | annadane | i can try running strace, how did you go about doing it? |
| 05:24.35 | rant | annadane: seems the actual icon it chooses on mine is /usr/share/icons/gnome/32x32/apps/multimedia-volume-control.png |
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| 05:25.18 | annadane | as i said, i have /usr/share/icons/Adwaita/256x256/apps/multimedia-volume-control.png |
| 05:26.06 | rant | annadane: you will have to install it if you dont have it, but I checked ps aux | grep xfce4-panel to get the PID for it, then ran "strace -e trace=file -oslog -p 578" the -e trace=file catches only calls with a filename, the -oslog outputs to a file "slog" and the -p 578 attaches to process ID 578 which in my case was xfce4-panel |
| 05:26.20 | rant | annadane: strace is really nice for figuring out those WTF situations :P |
| 05:26.46 | rant | annadane: or just understanding how a program actually works without reading the source code |
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| 05:27.41 | rant | you can see just what you want to see be attaching it when you're doing something specific and telling strace to only catch certain things.. and you see all the communication between the app and the kernel, and all the syscalls are documented in the manual pages.. the stat() open() etc.. |
| 05:28.09 | annadane | ok, but is this like journalctl -f, it follows the actions you perform as you're doing it? |
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| 05:29.11 | jim | hi, is there a workaround for the exploit found in systemd? |
| 05:29.16 | rant | annadane: listen here smarty pants.. heh.. I been using linux since way before systemd.. I got nfc how that stuff works.. you kids get off my lawn! :P |
| 05:29.35 | annadane | what "exploit" |
| 05:29.40 | annadane | check security.debian.org |
| 05:29.49 | annadane | no systemd updates lately for me |
| 05:30.05 | jim | annadane, https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/26/systemd_dhcpv6_rce/ |
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| 05:31.01 | annadane | well, idk. i just posted that in #debian-security on oftc so they can look at it *shrug* |
| 05:31.19 | jim | good idea :) |
| 05:33.18 | themill | stretch doesn't use systemd-networkd so there's your workaround... |
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| 05:34.23 | rant | yeah and this is too new yet, but fwiw if it were effected it'd be tracked using the security tracker by its CVE number https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2018-15688 |
| 05:35.12 | rant | but https://www.cvedetails.com/cve-details.php?cve_id=CVE-2018-15688 doesnt even have much of anything on it yet |
| 05:36.04 | annadane | intel is to blame for this, somehow |
| 05:36.53 | rant | heh.. https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/10518 good luck roping intel into that minor mistake |
| 05:37.11 | annadane | it was a joke, but okay |
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| 05:39.10 | nyov | whom to tell about a problem with tracker.debian.org and sources.debian.org? |
| 05:39.27 | annadane | #debian-www on oftc |
| 05:39.32 | nyov | both are throwing 500 errors |
| 05:39.39 | nyov | ok |
| 05:39.46 | themill | known apparently |
| 05:39.59 | nyov | ok, I hoped so. thanks |
| 05:40.10 | annadane | the year is 2075, freenode #debian users still append "...on oftc." to every sentence |
| 05:40.18 | nyov | xD |
| 05:41.22 | rant | I dont offhand see how this could even really be exploited.. so its not veifying the actual length of the response, and a malicious dhcp server may be able to write a lil extra data to the heap of the client.. what's it gonna do in reality? |
| 05:41.38 | rant | redirect your packets for a MIM attack? |
| 05:41.53 | rant | I'd have to see it to believe it |
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| 05:42.11 | PaddyF | i feel mitm'ed |
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| 05:42.31 | PaddyF | do you know where to go to find help? |
| 05:42.47 | PaddyF | people on freenode thing i am just crazy |
| 05:43.02 | PaddyF | thing/think |
| 05:43.03 | annadane | tell lassie the website is broken |
| 05:43.19 | jim | what happened? |
| 05:44.25 | rant | PaddyF: don't be ridiculous.. we don't think you're _just_ crazy.. we think you're paranoid as well, to say the least :P |
| 05:45.05 | nyov | or, at this time? maybe drunk :P |
| 05:45.20 | rant | that does happen |
| 05:45.25 | PaddyF | in 15 years after watching the news you will come to me being totally ashamed and sorry because you realize i was telling the truth |
| 05:45.26 | jim | rant, they're (in that article I posted) saying, at best the machine crashes, and if not, is able to run malicious code |
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| 05:46.37 | jim | watching the news in 2003??! |
| 05:46.59 | rant | jim: yes but my point is this is just due to a small oversight in not verifying the length of the response.. so its able to put actual length - expected length up to size of heap data on the client's heap.. and what reads the dhcp client's heap and what does it do with that info? pretty much just the dhcp client reads it and uses it to configure the interface and routing info.. |
| 05:47.15 | rant | so what could in theory happen? you could wind up with a spoofed route or dns or something |
| 05:47.22 | rant | which could lead to a MITM attack |
| 05:47.32 | rant | I'm not buying it |
| 05:47.48 | annadane | damn it, what was the file manager i was just using |
| 05:47.51 | annadane | space something |
| 05:47.53 | jim | themill, bingo, that's the one I was hoping for :) |
| 05:48.17 | annadane | spacefm, never mind |
| 05:48.37 | jim | rant, so it's an easy fix? |
| 05:49.00 | rant | jim: it was .. https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/10518 |
| 05:49.12 | annadane | i like xfce, i do not like thunar. :P |
| 05:49.35 | rant | I havent fooled with it much but at glance it seemed ok.. pcmanfm isnt bad either |
| 05:49.41 | jim | rant, they fixed it in the source already? |
| 05:49.46 | jim | that was fast |
| 05:49.56 | rant | it was a trivial thing |
| 05:50.32 | rant | it just wasnt checking to see if the response was the right size or not |
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| 05:57.28 | PaddyF | what you just mentioned (the register link) was fixed just upstream? |
| 05:57.47 | PaddyF | just now |
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| 06:02.30 | rant | it was fixed yesterday |
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| 06:04.15 | rant | and our systemd is likely vulnerable IF you were using that feature.. which you probably arent.. and then someone would have to write an exploit, be on your network to issue you a dhcp response, and realistically most that will probably happen is they'll overflow the heap and kernel will issue a signal killing the client and you'll be offline |
| 06:05.33 | rant | if the client actually payed attention this excess data, in theory they could reroute your traffic and eavsdrop or stage a MITM.. but thats highly unlikely as just because it is writing extra data to the heap doesnt mean it will actually process it and do anything |
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| 06:06.21 | PaddyF | thanks for explaining it so not so techsavy people understand |
| 06:06.33 | rant | how many of you use windows? its had far nastier bugs for nearly a decade.. through several major releases.. |
| 06:07.54 | rant | one of the most blaringly obvious of which I cite is the uptime bug on Win95 that existed on their kdb at time of Win95b's release, and yet Win98 and WinME released with this bug.. only you never noticed it in WinME because it'd crash before it got to that point due to the gaping memory leak |
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| 06:08.43 | rant | and I speculate bugs still exist in their print spooler probably from about that time.. |
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| 06:11.35 | rant | open source on the other hand has the advantages of peer review and personal interest.. I just was curious about my bios memory map.. I wrote this crapfest http://paste.debian.net/1049189/ has no error checking, doesnt even use floats, but it outputs a human readable memory map.. you can take it, say ooo.. lemme change those to floats, wrap the file handling and serialize the data..etc.. and improve upon |
| 06:11.41 | rant | that crapfest cause you think its neat |
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| 06:12.49 | rant | in commercial software people write dirty hacks like this and they get locked away in dark corners and fester for decades |
| 06:13.01 | annadane | remind me which file path has all the .desktop files? |
| 06:14.23 | annadane | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:15.26 | rant | annadane: yes.. |
| 06:15.49 | PaddyF | okay, cool. i got "thinking material" for a little nap: _o/ |
| 06:16.27 | annadane | i'm trying to get websites to open in firefox instead of spacefm, i'm trying to remember, it's xdg-mime default /usr/share/applications/firefox-esr.desktop... and then http something? |
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| 06:18.24 | rant | annadane: from what I can gather it doesnt require absolute path to the desktop file, it says "application is the desktop file id of the application and has the form vendor-name.desktop application must already be installed in the desktop menu before it can be made the default handler." |
| 06:19.08 | annadane | oh, right. i remember that now. but then i'm trying to remember the second field |
| 06:19.33 | annadane | to open http/https in firefox |
| 06:19.54 | annadane | reads the manual... |
| 06:20.31 | rant | the mimetype would probably be text/html |
| 06:23.04 | annadane | faaaaaaaack. |
| 06:23.12 | annadane | i just did this before and didn't write it down and now i look like an idiot. |
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| 06:23.44 | annadane | and no, xdg-mime default firefox-esr.desktop text/html didn't work |
| 06:23.46 | rant | annadane: xdg-mime query default mimetype:text/html |
| 06:24.06 | annadane | blank line |
| 06:24.12 | rant | same |
| 06:24.38 | annadane | it was like, xserver or html or something |
| 06:24.46 | annadane | this is WHY you write stuff down |
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| 06:26.51 | n4dir | not sure if i remember correct, but i think you can tell xfce directly what to do with certain filetypes |
| 06:26.56 | annadane | i have a real smart idea, let's read https://wiki.debian.org/MIME |
| 06:27.05 | annadane | oh yeah maybe n4dir |
| 06:27.35 | n4dir | it ain't super obvious, but you will figure it out. (well: assuming i remember correct at all :-) ) |
| 06:27.48 | annadane | rant, so if it's blank, does that mean xdg-mime default firefox-esr.desktop text/html did nothing? |
| 06:27.56 | n4dir | perhaps: right click, open-with, set that as default ? |
| 06:28.29 | annadane | oh hey there's the "mime type editor" in xfce :P |
| 06:28.34 | annadane | which i forgot about completely |
| 06:29.35 | n4dir | annadane: if you go to forums debian, search for the user julian67, he had lots of good stuff bout xfce. i mean: really good stuff, it is worth to hunt for it. |
| 06:29.56 | annadane | i can't even write down instructions and troubleshoot very simple problems, you think i'm smart enough to do that? |
| 06:30.27 | n4dir | iirc his instructions were very detailed. |
| 06:30.41 | n4dir | just a sidenote anyway. Ah: memories ... |
| 06:30.48 | rant | annadane: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/shared-mime-info-spec/ |
| 06:30.52 | annadane | what is text/html anyway? |
| 06:31.02 | annadane | any link that appears in text ought to open in firefox? |
| 06:31.12 | rant | shows which apps support it, specifically, and how to write the stuff |
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| 06:31.51 | annadane | because text/html is set to "firefox esr" as per the mime type thing xfce has, but if i click: www.duckduckgo.com |
| 06:31.58 | annadane | it opens in spacefm |
| 06:32.34 | rant | thats not text/html |
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| 06:34.29 | annadane | i guess it's generic links within webpages |
| 06:34.50 | annadane | so links within the browser open in... the browser |
| 06:35.52 | annadane | why am i so smart at some times and such an idiot the other 90% of the time? |
| 06:36.08 | rant | thats probably x-scheme-handler/http or x-scheme-handler/https |
| 06:36.17 | annadane | THAT'S IT. |
| 06:36.28 | rant | text/html is an actual html file |
| 06:36.28 | annadane | that's what i'd set it to before. |
| 06:36.32 | rant | not a URI |
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| 06:38.01 | annadane | right, ok |
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| 06:45.36 | soman | [Debian 9.4] Has debian any vim package with python (not python3) support? I've installed vim-gtk but it's not. |
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| 06:46.55 | rant | soman: apt show vim-python-jedi |
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| 06:50.11 | soman | rant: Thanks for reply, but I meant that vim --version should show +python not python lang programming support |
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| 06:51.05 | rant | soman: you mean you want to extend vim using python? |
| 06:51.29 | themill | vim-gtk has python support |
| 06:52.10 | themill | oh, might only by python3 now |
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| 06:53.18 | themill | soman: the packages only support python3 from version 2:7.4.2330-1 onwards |
| 06:53.27 | rant | indeed |
| 06:53.39 | rant | ,depends vim-gtk |
| 06:53.39 | judd | Package vim-gtk in stretch/amd64 -- depends: vim-common (= 2:8.0.0197-4+deb9u1), vim-gui-common (= 2:8.0.0197-4+deb9u1), vim-runtime (= 2:8.0.0197-4+deb9u1), libacl1 (>= 2.2.51-8), libc6 (>= 2.15), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.25.2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.31.18), libgpm2 (>= 1.20.4), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), liblua5.2-0, libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.32.4), libperl5.24 (>= 5.24.0), libpython3.5 |
| 06:53.40 | judd | (>= 3.5.0~b1), libruby2.3 (>= 2.3.0~preview2), libselinux1 (>= 1.32), libsm6, libtcl8.6 (>= 8.6.0), libtinfo5 (>= 6), libx11-6, libxt6. |
| 06:53.52 | rant | libpython3.5 |
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| 06:54.08 | annadane | ,conflicts vim-gtk |
| 06:54.09 | judd | Package vim-gtk in stretch/amd64 -- conflicts: None. |
| 06:54.32 | rant | also has perl5, lua5 ruby2, and tcl8 support |
| 06:54.45 | soman | themill: Only python3 yes. This is why https://github.com/JBakamovic/yavide doesnt work. Any easy way to make it work or only manual vim compiling? |
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| 06:56.02 | rant | there are things out there to convert python things back and forth, its really up to you which is simpler, converting the plugin, compiling vim, etc.. though its rather simple to just rebuild a debian package with different options |
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| 06:59.55 | rant | annadane: fwiw those blank lines were likely cause you were running xdg-mime query as root |
| 07:00.35 | rant | annadane: root usually doesnt have mime associations |
| 07:00.41 | annadane | wasn't. |
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| 07:08.07 | rant | soman: you good, or you need further help with rebuilding vim? its rather simple. |
| 07:08.20 | tete_ | hi, i have debian 9.5 with wordpress from the repo installed. my apache2 site config has that entry: Alias /wp-content /var/lib/wordpress/wp-content - this is from a guide (wordpress on debian). i checked that directory, it exists from the installation from wp from the official repo i guess. but: the directories there are no symlinks (e.g. uploads). my question: should i work with /var/lib/wordpress only? |
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| 07:09.42 | rant | tete_: you're the admin, thats up to you.. me personally I put stuff like this in /srv/ I dont like the legacy use of /var for this stuff.. anything I will have being accessed as a service by other users I put in a custom hierarchy under /srv |
| 07:10.29 | rant | use of /var/lib/www and such always seemed ridiculous to me anyhow |
| 07:10.34 | tete_ | i am just wondering why it is how it is. i prefer the version from the official repository (i am lazy..). so my guess is that the split of /usr/share/wordpress and /var/lib/wordpress is for update reasons. in that case i have to use /var/lib/wordpress when i do not want to get problems |
| 07:11.05 | tete_ | my problem why i am asking is that the uploads which have been made are now in /usr/share/wordpress/wp-content/uploads and not in /var/lib/wordpress/wp-content/uploads |
| 07:11.32 | tete_ | and to fix this i would like to understand what is best practice before quick'n dirty doing something |
| 07:12.19 | rant | idk.. I had that problem even with transmission daemon.. was spreading crap all over /usr and /var when neither are appropriate in my opinion.. if for me I link to my homedir from those places, if for others I use /srv.. either way symlinks usually solves that crap |
| 07:12.39 | rant | either that or manually reconfiguring the package to stop doing stupid stuff like that |
| 07:12.53 | rant | but again, you're the admin, so its all a matter of your preference |
| 07:13.12 | tete_ | in that case i configure wp to upload to var so i have no changes in usr |
| 07:13.47 | rant | yeah /var is at least meant to be changed, but /var/lib is not meant for this crap IMHO |
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| 07:15.29 | rant | http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#VARLIBVARIABLESTATEINFORMATION http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#USRSHAREARCHITECTUREINDEPENDENTDATA |
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| 07:15.40 | rant | if you ask me all the maintainers doing this are violating the FHS |
| 07:15.42 | annadane | WHYAREWEYELLING |
| 07:15.42 | soman | rant: do you know if vim plugins could depend from this python support? I want to know if it's reasonable to manually install the plugins to my vim without python but with python3 support |
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| 07:16.46 | rant | soman: python3 has many syntax and feature differences and these plugins are written in python so it matters, yes.. one simple illustration is Python 2.x "print 'hello world'" where Python 3.x " |
| 07:16.53 | rant | print('hello world') |
| 07:17.05 | rant | if something THAT simple changed, just imagine.. |
| 07:18.07 | rant | up to 3.x python was just stemming from someones dirty hacks.. 3.x was a milestone where they went back and actually took a hard look at it and tried to standardize and cleanup the language.. |
| 07:18.49 | soman | rant: oh, ok. You wrote about recompiling debian package. You mean get the vim src package and compile it with different options? |
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| 07:21.35 | rant | soman: in debian however its quite simple to rebuild your editor.. you "apt source vim" (as your user) this will fetch the debian package into the cwd, apply all the patches from upstream, then you need to "sudo apt build-dep vim" to get all the build-dependencies (and likely will need to add in the libpython-dev or w/e in a seperate apt install line, then you can see in the source dir ./configure |
| 07:21.42 | rant | --help=short all the options.. the one in particular you want is --enable-pythoniterp=yes then you can rebuild the package after you set the options you need |
| 07:22.22 | rant | soman: https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingAPackage#Building_the_modified_package |
| 07:22.57 | rant | soman: for you all the changes you need to make can be done with the ./configure script.. and I assume since you are using vim and a C programming addon, you are vaguely familiar with such things |
| 07:24.23 | rant | soman: you will just likely need to fetch that one additional dependency manually as its only getting libpython3-dev and libpython3.5-dev with apt build-dep vim because the maintainer doesnt have it setup to get libpython-dev |
| 07:25.05 | rant | without that, naturally enabling the python interpreter will fail to build |
| 07:25.48 | rant | I just recommend reading through the ./configure --help=short and making sure you enable any and all options you may want/need |
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| 07:26.31 | soman | rant: big thanks. Yes I have some little experience with 3rd party src compiling. Can I ask you if some problems will occurs in the near future? I'll start to do it right now |
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| 07:26.56 | rant | soman: you mean by using your own build or with the python stuff? |
| 07:27.28 | soman | rant: about rebuilding the package |
| 07:27.52 | rant | soman: problems with your own package means you gotta maintain it yourself.. you wont be getting updates.. and you'll wanna pin or change the version to assure this.. |
| 07:28.21 | soman | rant: Debian Stretch 9.4 gets only security updates, right? |
| 07:28.37 | rant | soman: alternative is you can nag at the debian vim maintainer or the maintainer of this plugin and try get one of them to budge.. heh |
| 07:28.56 | rant | really its kinda ignorant they pulled the python 2.x support when debian is still python2 by default |
| 07:29.19 | rant | and its also kinda ignorant that any developer actively maintaining something isnt migrating to python3 .. so.. |
| 07:29.27 | rant | you kinda got an argument on both fronts :P |
| 07:29.57 | soman | rant: yeah this is not good that yavide (or its plugins) doesn't work good on modern popular distrib |
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| 07:30.46 | rant | yes well in very near future all distros will be using python3 by default and its gonna break a lot of stuff if devs dont migrate |
| 07:30.49 | soman | rant: I'm also has one thought to use VM with some older Debian. Could you advice the latest Debian version where the vim has pythom support? |
| 07:31.00 | rant | for the most part most things can be automated in conversion |
| 07:31.00 | n4dir | i would assume you add the configure options to debian/rules ... |
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| 07:32.34 | rant | soman: I dont know that offhand but I thought themill said it has been python3 since 2:7.4.2330-1 onward.. which that is easy enough to check, or just look for a dependency on libpython rather than libpython3 or libpython3.5 |
| 07:33.00 | rant | ,depends vim-gtk jessie |
| 07:33.02 | judd | Package vim-gtk in jessie/amd64 -- depends: vim-gui-common (= 2:7.4.488-7+deb8u3), vim-common (= 2:7.4.488-7+deb8u3), vim-runtime (= 2:7.4.488-7+deb8u3), libacl1 (>= 2.2.51-8), libc6 (>= 2.15), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgpm2 (>= 1.20.4), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), liblua5.2-0, libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libperl5.20 (>= 5.20.2), libpython2.7 (>= |
| 07:33.02 | judd | 2.7), libruby2.1 (>= 2.1.0), libselinux1 (>= 1.32), libsm6, libtcl8.6 (>= 8.6.0), libtinfo5, libx11-6, libxt6. |
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| 07:33.19 | rant | looks liek jessie's package has a libpython2.7 dependency |
| 07:33.54 | rant | which the only hard depend is on the vim-* packages, rest is >= so.. |
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| 07:34.30 | rant | its likely you could uninstall vim-gtk and hack in and pin the jessie version without any issues |
| 07:34.38 | rant | and not even need a chroot or such |
| 07:34.53 | themill | I was about to suggest that it's normally easier to just fix the python to be polyglot 2+3... but then I just spent all afternoon unsuccessfully trying to fix such issues in a package :S |
| 07:35.12 | rant | heh.. |
| 07:35.14 | soman | rant: install jessie version on stretch? |
| 07:35.42 | rant | if you do it with care, sure.. or even in a jessie chroot and run with schroot if you dont think you can avoid breaking stuff |
| 07:36.09 | rant | debootstrap and schroot will certainly work |
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| 07:36.33 | rant | you'll just be looking at probably an extra GB or so of storage being taken up.. |
| 07:37.29 | rant | when in reality probably the worst thing that'll happen is needing to pin all the vim-* packages |
| 07:37.59 | rant | since using an OLDER release isnt going to screw much up, and the only hard version depends are on other vim* packages |
| 07:38.34 | rant | alternatively you can also use the ssb method to forward port it.. heh.. I've done that before.. in fact for an editor I liked that isnt in debian anymore |
| 07:40.01 | rant | absolute safest and easiest thing would be the chroot, only cost is using about a GB of storage |
| 07:40.13 | rant | !jessie |
| 07:40.13 | dpkg | Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: http://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150426 ; security support ends 2018-05-17 but ask me about <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Currently <8.10>. |
| 07:40.27 | rant | !jessie-lts |
| 07:40.28 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 8 "Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until around 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information |
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| 07:40.52 | rant | yeah, with the chroot you'd still be getting updates for jessie's vim |
| 07:41.18 | rant | I think you could do it without the chroot but thats a bit too fancy a pinning for me |
| 07:41.44 | rant | to make it able to update but keep tracking jessie only |
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| 07:42.02 | soman | rant: I've tried to download it and use just one gtk.vim binary but it's libperl.so.5.20 lib which is not available. Could you please give some link to the solution you offer (with chroot)? |
| 07:42.17 | soman | rant: but it needs* |
| 07:42.26 | rant | soman: apt install debootstrap schroot |
| 07:42.31 | annadane | i don't know if it was mentioned but yeah, the latest is 9.5 |
| 07:42.34 | annadane | carry on |
| 07:43.17 | rant | soman: make a dir somewhere like /srv/chroot/jessie and then debootstrap jessie http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian |
| 07:43.47 | rant | soman: edit /etc/schroot.conf and uncomment out that first example for sid, modifying it as needed.. |
| 07:44.08 | soman | rant: from the debootstrap man 'but can also be used to run a different Debian flavor in a chroot environment.' Is it what I need? |
| 07:44.31 | rant | soman: chroot /srv/chroot/jessie then from within the chroot, apt install vim-gtk, then exit the chroot |
| 07:44.42 | rant | soman: from then on you can just run it using schroot vim-gtk |
| 07:45.00 | soman | rant: will try now |
| 07:45.08 | rant | even make a script and symlink it to where your existing vim-gtk binary is to keep all the menu entries and crap |
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| 07:45.42 | rant | one caveat here is that you'll have to install these plugins and crap inside that chroot |
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| 07:49.13 | rant | soman: http://paste.debian.net/1049200/ your link :P of these steps |
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| 07:50.11 | soman | rant: cool thanks |
| 07:50.31 | rant | ah and my debootstrap line doesnt specify the location :P |
| 07:50.55 | soman | rant: sudo debootstrap jessie /opt/jessie/ http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian |
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| 07:51.05 | rant | no |
| 07:51.05 | soman | rant: wating for finish =) |
| 07:51.07 | rant | dont run it as root |
| 07:51.24 | rant | well.. |
| 07:51.46 | rant | pretty sure it'll bitch at you for running it as root |
| 07:51.54 | rant | but yeah thats the idea you got there |
| 07:51.58 | soman | rant: yes E: debootstrap can only run as root |
| 07:52.26 | rant | ah I thought it was the other way around.. it didnt want to be ran as root |
| 07:52.41 | rant | I just did this a few hours ago with buster |
| 07:52.46 | rant | you think I'd remember |
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| 07:53.17 | annadane | it's ok, we're all idiots in this channel |
| 07:53.36 | rant | debootstrap and schroot are wonderful though.. schroot handles all the necessary stuff to just run even x apps inside the chroot |
| 07:53.40 | soman | rant: what is going now? It's installing some debian environment to specified dir? |
| 07:53.55 | rant | its doing a base install of jessie into that dir, yes |
| 07:53.57 | soman | rant: sorry I just never work with debootstrap |
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| 07:54.11 | rant | then you have to chroot into that dir so you can further install what you want (vim-gtk) |
| 07:54.28 | soman | rant: then yavide ide I need to install there too? |
| 07:54.37 | rant | then configure schroot so you can run the app without having to fool with the chroot and Xauth crap |
| 07:54.43 | rant | yes |
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| 07:54.55 | rant | you can even create an unprivliged user in there too if you want |
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| 08:16.33 | soman | rant: I've installed ide via chroot. As I understand now I work as superuser but with IDE I don't need it. Just use adduser/useradd command to create a new user and then make schroot with that user? |
| 08:18.05 | rant | thats the idea, yes |
| 08:19.36 | soman | rant: schroot user related to jessie one or my stretch (host)? |
| 08:20.04 | soman | rant: --user tells me that it can't find specified user I've created on jessie |
| 08:20.08 | rant | soman: you can make a script that runs schroot -u user vim-gtk and the move your /usr/bin/vim-gtk or w/e to vim-gtk-stretch or such, and symlink your /usr/local/bin/vim-gtk script to the regular vim-gtk and then you wont have to bother with making new menu entries or shorcuts |
| 08:22.30 | rant | soman: the way it works is, it tries to login as the same uid inside the chroot as the user running it or specified with the -u |
| 08:22.33 | annadane | (how often do people keep their chroots up to date with security fixes?) |
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| 08:23.24 | rant | on mine I dont have a user 1000 in my chroot so running schroot tells me http://paste.debian.net/1049202/ |
| 08:23.43 | rant | technically I'm logged in as uid 1000, even though the user doesnt exist |
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| 08:24.29 | rant | its not like its authenticating using pam inside the chroot or anything |
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| 08:25.16 | rant | soman: also if you need access to anything outside your /opt/chroot or w/e you will need to mount --bind those dirs within /opt/chroot somewhere |
| 08:25.53 | rant | soman: some things even require kernel access to /dev /proc or /sys or such which you achive with a bind mount |
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| 08:40.40 | soman | rant: ok, big thanks for the help |
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| 09:43.37 | s_i_m | Good morning! I have an old piece of software from 90s that I need to compile. It depends on an obscure feature of old gcc -fwritable-strings I was thinking of getting gcc-2.95.x from some old debian release (lenny?) and installing it on current stable. Is this even possible? |
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| 09:44.32 | doda | hi guys, i'm having a wierd issue with checkinstall and difference between debian and ubuntu, on ubuntu it creates needed empty folders, on debian it doesn't |
| 09:44.51 | slax0r | s_i_m: wouldn't it be better to install an old release on some sort of VM and compile there? |
| 09:45.15 | s_i_m | hi slax0r, yes, that was also on my mind... |
| 09:45.45 | s_i_m | but it seemed to be an overkill |
| 09:46.31 | jim | hi... does the security line in sources.list, does it have all of main, contrib, non-free? |
| 09:46.44 | slax0r | s_i_m: I don't know, doesn't gcc depend on glibc? |
| 09:47.13 | jim | ,depends gcc |
| 09:47.15 | judd | Package gcc in stretch/amd64 -- depends: cpp (>= 4:6.3.0-4), gcc-6 (>= 6.3.0-9~). |
| 09:47.33 | jim | looks like that's a no :) |
| 09:47.56 | s_i_m | slax0r: sure it does |
| 09:48.03 | slax0r | I mean, you can give it a shot, but you might break your OS |
| 09:48.26 | jim | , depends gcc-6 |
| 09:48.28 | judd | Package gcc-6 in stretch/amd64 -- depends: cpp-6 (= 6.3.0-18+deb9u1), gcc-6-base (= 6.3.0-18+deb9u1), libcc1-0 (>= 6.3.0-18+deb9u1), binutils (>= 2.28), libgcc-6-dev (= 6.3.0-18+deb9u1), libc6 (>= 2.14), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.0), libgmp10 (>= 2:5.0.1~), libisl15 (>= 0.15), libmpc3, libmpfr4 (>= 3.1.3), libstdc++6 (>= 5), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4). |
| 09:48.44 | annadane | does it have to be *installed* or can you just use a chroot or something |
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| 09:48.50 | s_i_m | what about compiling gcc-2.95 from the source package on stable? |
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| 09:49.04 | s_i_m | chroot is an option too |
| 09:49.18 | s_i_m | maybe I should try this |
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| 09:51.49 | slax0r | I certainly wouldn't mix in such old version of software into my main OS, so yeah either VM or chroot it |
| 09:52.00 | annadane | or else we shall mock you for running oldoldoldoldoldoldoldoldoldstable :P |
| 09:52.34 | s_i_m | oh, come on :) |
| 09:53.19 | slax0r | I'm not sure we'd be able to mock them, since downgrading all that will almost certainly break most of other software that depend on those libs |
| 09:53.24 | s_i_m | I yet remember my first 486 sx with Debian potato on it |
| 09:53.46 | s_i_m | good old days |
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| 10:01.54 | olivetree_ | yup :) |
| 10:01.56 | olivetree_ | Debian 4 |
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| 10:02.30 | olivetree_ | With windowmaker |
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| 10:18.52 | s_i_m | by the way, my memory was wrong, the last Debian release that included gcc-2.95 was etch, not lenny... |
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| 10:19.12 | s_i_m | debootstrapping it now |
| 10:20.29 | s_i_m | it will be fun if it still works with recent linux kernel |
| 10:23.43 | s_i_m | it works :) |
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| 11:02.27 | Cecil | I want to install a previous version of firefox. That should be possible with something like: |
| 11:03.11 | Cecil | apt-get install firefox-esr=xx.x.x |
| 11:03.11 | Cecil | But for this I have to know the previous version number. |
| 11:03.11 | Cecil | How do I get this? |
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| 11:06.43 | s_i_m | Cecil: apt-cache policy firefox-esr will show you the version your system knows about (depends on what you have in /etc/apt/sources.list) |
| 11:07.02 | s_i_m | the versions* |
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| 11:14.23 | Cecil | s_i_m: That was where I was searching for. Thanks. |
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| 11:18.28 | Cecil | It is a bit strange: I get only to see 60.3.0esr-1~deb9u1 (the current one) and 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1, while I upgraded a few days ago from 60.2.2.xxxx. But for the moment it is good enough I think. |
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| 11:42.17 | msl09 | guys, I busted my /boot partition |
| 11:42.22 | msl09 | how do I recreate it? |
| 11:46.31 | n4dir | from the top of my head i would assume do re-create the partition with gparted (if needed), do a chroot and reinstall grub and kernel. But better wait for someone who knows ... |
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| 11:47.36 | n4dir | i would have quite some hope that would work, in case i had that problem |
| 11:48.27 | msl09 | well the partition exists |
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| 11:49.23 | n4dir | then only the rest. Either you give it a try, or you wait. if you type /msg dpkg chroot |
| 11:49.45 | n4dir | it will tell you how (you will also have to mount /boot, of course, i don't think dpkg mentions it) |
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| 11:51.55 | msl09 | and its mounted as a /boot and I ran a apt install --reinstall linux-image-amd64, but it didn't write anything |
| 11:52.18 | msl09 | maybe it doesn't consider dependencies since it's a virtual package |
| 11:52.49 | n4dir | i see. sorry, then i don't know. good luck. |
| 11:53.04 | PinkBellyNagger | anyone know how to exclude column headers in sar reporting? |
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| 14:11.33 | imestin | hi |
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| 14:12.10 | imestin | does anyone knows about Dell Inspiron 3576 - Linux compativility? |
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| 14:12.44 | imestin | i'd install qubes on it. but i can't find info on that |
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| 14:37.56 | RoyK | imestin: qubes? |
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| 14:38.55 | imestin | RoyK: Qubes with Debian VMs |
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| 14:39.15 | PaddyF | fedora and debian |
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| 14:39.24 | PaddyF | dom0 is fedora |
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| 14:39.54 | imestin | yes, PaddyF is right |
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| 14:59.30 | srged | is it ok to place the script for auto updates in /etc/cron.daily ? |
| 14:59.56 | RoyK | srged: just install unattended-upgrades |
| 15:00.21 | RoyK | it's quite versatile |
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| 15:01.12 | srged | RoyK: i did that a while ago, but i guess its not working since i noticed new updates when i manually updated.. |
| 15:01.41 | abrotman | dist-upgrade kind of packages? |
| 15:01.54 | RoyK | srged: did you configure it? ;) |
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| 15:02.53 | srged | RoyK: how should i configure it ? |
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| 15:04.37 | RoyK | !unattended-upgrades |
| 15:04.37 | dpkg | methinks unattended-upgrades is a package for installing security upgrades automatically, unattended. See https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
| 15:06.49 | srged | RoyK: it says there, that the default should work well |
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| 15:11.02 | RoyK | srged: it doesn't do a dist-upgrade for you unless you tell it to |
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| 15:11.11 | RoyK | srged: it just upgrades security stuff by default |
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| 15:12.40 | srged | RoyK: so what line should i unmark ? |
| 15:13.06 | rafalcpp | aptitude upgrade gives me: "Internal error: found 2 (choice -> promotion) mappings for a single choice" how to fix? |
| 15:13.32 | rafalcpp | for previous weeks there was a bug where debian couldn't update thunderbird(+enigmail), and now it got even worse |
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| 15:17.42 | RoyK | srged: seems unattended-upgrades doesn't support dist-upgrade - not that it's something you need, though - just leave that to some time you can take down the system for a while https://serverfault.com/questions/114444/debian-ubuntu-enabling-dist-upgrade-behavior-for-unattended-upgrades |
| 15:19.05 | RoyK | srged: it may be good to be on the system, or at least close to it, before it reboots into a new kernel in case something happens |
| 15:19.17 | annadane | i'm following the answer with 2 upvotes on https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/75483/how-to-check-if-the-iso-was-written-to-my-usb-stick-without-errors (i'd link directly but stackexchange is weird like that) and on the dd step, would it be /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb1? |
| 15:19.34 | annadane | (julien palard's answer) |
| 15:19.45 | srged | RoyK: ok lets do the auto updates for now. how should i configure the file ? |
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| 15:20.11 | RoyK | srged: it's quite well documented in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades |
| 15:20.46 | annadane | i suspect it's without the number like sdb1, it should be sdb, i'm just not wholly confident in dd syntax |
| 15:21.31 | RoyK | annadane: dd to a disk, not a partition ;) |
| 15:21.41 | annadane | yeah, so sdb |
| 15:22.16 | annadane | juuuust checking. |
| 15:22.52 | annadane | dd: failed to open '/dev/sdb': Permission denied i need root, right? |
| 15:23.15 | annadane | the usb stick is mounted so it shouldn't overwrite the contents? |
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| 15:26.36 | rafalcpp | so, no one knows how to fix aptitude here? |
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| 15:28.43 | rafalcpp | how to record "aptitude bundle" or some other "state of apt-get/dpkg" for debugging of this issue? |
| 15:28.54 | rafalcpp | "Internal error: found 2 (choice -> promotion) mappings for a single choice" |
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| 15:31.29 | annadane | you know what forget it, i have other questions about this and if i keep asking i'm going to spam up the channel, help rafalcpp instead |
| 15:31.36 | annadane | i'll just ask stackexchange |
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| 15:36.35 | abrotman | annadane: the device, not the partition |
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| 15:36.43 | abrotman | annadane: /dev/sdb for example |
| 15:36.55 | abrotman | and the installation guide covers how to use the md5sum to check that it was written correctly |
| 15:37.26 | annadane | it does? ok. thanks |
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| 15:37.57 | abrotman | dpkg: tell annadane about verify iso |
| 15:38.00 | abrotman | I think that'll work for you |
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| 15:43.31 | annadane | per that factoid, is the downloaded image on the install medium or do i have to copy it over first? |
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| 15:44.18 | annadane | unless both 'filename.iso' is the one you have saved in your home directory or whatever |
| 15:44.40 | annadane | never mind, being stupid |
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| 15:46.19 | bites | huh, that works with usb drives? |
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| 15:47.11 | annadane | https://paste.debian.net/1049305/ |
| 15:48.18 | bites | well, you need root to read from the device anyway. |
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| 15:48.57 | bites | but i have doubts that checksuming the whole device will produce something sensible. |
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| 15:49.22 | annadane | i'm basically doing this for no reason, i'm sure my image is fine |
| 15:50.22 | abrotman | annadane: typically, if it's busted, it won't be able to find the packages after the installer starts .. why do you think it's broken ? |
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| 15:51.44 | annadane | for an extremely dumb reason and i'm just paranoid. this debian install has never been done on a "clean system". my first debian install was done using rufus which is obviously bad, later i actually did it the proper way with cp but it was on the rufus installed debian, i was just wondering if it might even have corrupted such a simple tool as cp and not totally copied everything faithfully |
| 15:52.08 | annadane | because rufus does mangle the installer, at least |
| 15:53.08 | abrotman | so you want to check your packages? |
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| 15:53.36 | annadane | i was just wondering if there could have been any corruption at all in general |
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| 15:53.54 | metreo | how do I change my alt keyboard layout? |
| 15:53.58 | annadane | the OS itself runs... fine, basically, except for some weird xfce icon issue which is negligible |
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| 15:54.12 | metreo | I'd like alt-= to print the not equals symbol |
| 15:54.13 | abrotman | metreo: in what? |
| 15:54.20 | metreo | xterm |
| 15:54.34 | annadane | i don't think rufus could've really corrupted cp practically speaking, it's more of academic interest |
| 15:54.45 | abrotman | metreo: /msg dpkg keymap .. but that may depend on your DE |
| 15:54.46 | annadane | but i've never had a truly "clean install" |
| 15:54.59 | bites | i don't think so. apt would have failed with a checksum mismatch in the installer. the installer doesn't just copy binaries around. |
| 15:55.11 | abrotman | dpkg: tell annadane about debsums |
| 15:55.43 | metreo | abrotman: thanks |
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| 15:58.42 | annadane | debsums: can't open blah blah permission denied, guess it needs to be run as root |
| 15:58.45 | bites | well, debootstrap rather than apt. |
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| 16:03.40 | pagetelegram | Deb8 something's not working right with power management. When ever coming out of sleep I have to cycle the power button three times before run state is sustained. First two times system falls back asleep! |
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| 16:06.36 | annadane | ok so under "caveats" in the man page it sorta tells you to run it as root |
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| 16:12.18 | pagetelegram | Does having two batteries in a laptop cause the power management issues of coming out of suspend mode? |
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| 16:21.40 | n_1-c_k | pagetelegram: what do you mean by "the power management issues of coming out of suspend mode"? |
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| 16:24.16 | Li | how to decrypt hdd used previously as main drive for a debian box? |
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| 16:24.58 | pagetelegram | I have to cycle the power button three times before coming out of suspend mode is sustained. First two times computer goes back to suspend. |
| 16:25.15 | Li | is it possible to make it completely uncrypted or only can temporarly decrypt collect files the logout |
| 16:26.06 | annadane | if it's a laptop i wonder whether it's a missing firmware issue |
| 16:26.08 | Li | pagetelegram: similar problem with one dell laptop |
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| 16:26.21 | annadane | you may want to check dmesg | grep -i firmware |
| 16:26.46 | n_1-c_k | pagetelegram: that sounds bad. My laptop with two batteries shows no such problem so perhaps not due to the batteries as such. |
| 16:27.30 | Li | annadane: what would that do? it had similar problem here also problem with recognizing brining up tp-link usb dongle |
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| 16:28.51 | Li | tried annadane command got bunch of these .. [95097.029892] (NULL device *): firmware: direct-loading firmware rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin |
| 16:29.22 | annadane | ah ok fair enough |
| 16:29.40 | annadane | check dmesg i guess |
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| 16:33.50 | milkt | I'm using debian on apple macbook, cpu temperature goes above 100'C when I do some heavy jobs like compiling/compressing. I want to slow down process to keep cpu temperature don't exceed 70~80'C. I tried cpulimit package and modifying cpu clock frequency but temperature is still going too high, is there any other way to control cpu usage by cpu temperature? |
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| 16:38.56 | noln | milkt, a custom cgroup under "cpu" with custom cpu.cfs_quota_us will schedule a process and its children less often |
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| 17:00.11 | milkt | noln, thank you for information, looking at documentations now |
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| 17:02.53 | noln | milkt, it's as simple as mkdir ; echo number > mycgroup/cpu.cfs_quota_us ; echo pid > mycgroup/tasks. there is a command-line tool for convenience, cgroup-tools IIRC |
| 17:03.57 | noln | milkt, https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/6/html/resource_management_guide/sec-cpu |
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| 17:19.15 | milkt | noln, thank you for link and info, taking time to read it since I'm not native english speaker. so am I supposed to modify /sys/fs/cgroup/cpu/cpu.cfs_quota_us to limit system-wide cpu usage, in most simple way? |
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| 17:35.16 | Li | guys! how to decrypt a debian hdd? |
| 17:36.17 | FinalX | ? |
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| 17:37.02 | FinalX | Debian is the OS, encryption can be done in multiple ways... most popular one seems to be LUKS and for that you'll need at the very least a password and/or key file.. maybe even header file |
| 17:37.24 | annadane | i mean if you've encrypted a drive wouldn't there be a password prompt to decrypt the drive... |
| 17:37.55 | n4dir | cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb1 disk; would prompt you for the password |
| 17:38.26 | n4dir | well: that's the way i know it. not saying it is always like that, written in stone |
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| 17:41.16 | FinalX | wouldn't have to be the partition... a lot of people encrypt entire disks, too :) |
| 17:42.03 | annadane | i hope it's not written in stone, stone writing is cleartext |
| 17:42.11 | n4dir | lol. |
| 17:43.36 | Li | FinalX: I've encrypted the entire drive during the installation , I've the password then I've installed another debian on the different hdd but I want to grab the data from the old hdd. |
| 17:43.59 | Li | old hdd is connected as external drive through usb cable. |
| 17:44.49 | n4dir | with lvm too, or only encrypted? probably with lvm ... |
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| 17:46.53 | annadane | i still haven't bothered to encrypt my drives, maybe i should |
| 17:47.42 | n4dir | annadane: i gave up on it. If you have to chroot or such, it adds quite a bit of complexitiy. And as i hardly leave home ... |
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| 17:48.01 | ikus060 | Hello, I've run dist-upgrade today, and the nvidia driver installation was screwed. I've purge all nvidia package to get back a X server. Now trying to re-install nvidia-driver is not working. I have unmet dpendencies |
| 17:48.10 | annadane | !bat |
| 17:48.10 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 17:49.50 | FinalX | Li: in that case, just do what n4dir said, cryptsetup luksOpen /path/to/encrypted/device name_to_use_for_unencryted_volume |
| 17:50.04 | FinalX | then mount /dev/mapper/name_to_use_for_unencryted_volume /path/to/where/you/want/it |
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| 17:51.49 | ikus060 | Here are more detail: https://pastebin.com/BR7xn0zP |
| 17:54.19 | annadane | ahhhhhhhhh |
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| 17:55.01 | annadane | ikus060, paste aptitude install nvidia-driver |
| 17:55.53 | Li | oh I didn't see n4dir writting to me .. thanks to both of you, I'll try it |
| 17:56.12 | annadane | i also see debian multimedia, be careful with that |
| 17:56.18 | annadane | !tell ikus060 why not dmm |
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| 17:56.32 | annadane | !tell ikus060 about why not dmm |
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| 17:56.43 | ikus060 | https://pastebin.com/5sEypRt9 |
| 17:57.01 | annadane | ...yeeeeeeah. |
| 17:57.05 | annadane | let's see... |
| 17:57.31 | annadane | educated guess, i think you have to install nvidia-driver from backports |
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| 17:58.36 | annadane | see if aptitude install -t stretch-backports nvidia-driver works |
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| 17:59.16 | annadane | also as a general rule given the number of 3rd party repositories you have, at least take a cursory glance at wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 18:00.25 | ikus060 | annadane: https://pastebin.com/RiNvfZp4 |
| 18:00.29 | ikus060 | Make more sens I think |
| 18:01.06 | ikus060 | Yeah, while pasting the command line results I was surprise to see how many repo I had ! :D |
| 18:01.25 | ikus060 | It's craxy how many thing we need to install these days |
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| 18:02.14 | annadane | ikus060, try aptitude install -t stretch-backports libegl1-mesa libglapi-mesa libglapi-mesa:i386 && aptitude -t stretch-backports install nvidia-driver... but i wonder if the backported kernel is also necessary for nvidia, or headers |
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| 18:03.18 | annadane | also, |
| 18:03.20 | annadane | !pastebin.com |
| 18:03.20 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 18:05.22 | ikus060 | ok, I'm rebooting now.. let see ! |
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| 18:06.13 | annadane | i probably should've done the nvidia dkms thing |
| 18:06.19 | annadane | given backports |
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| 18:13.07 | ikus060 | annadane: it didn't reboot the first time. My xorg.conf was not properly configure. Cause on top of it I have an Nvidia Optimus system... |
| 18:13.19 | ikus060 | any how, it's look like it's working as before ! |
| 18:13.20 | ikus060 | Thanks alot ! |
| 18:13.21 | annadane | uggggggggggggggggggggggggggggh |
| 18:13.24 | annadane | ok, good |
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| 18:13.41 | annadane | nvidia needs to go die in the fires of hell |
| 18:13.43 | ralpheeee | i installed weechat with scripts (python,lua,perl,plugins,ruby) as well as aspell but i am unable to utilse aspell in weechat? |
| 18:14.16 | ralpheeee | did i miss a package to make aspell work in weechat? |
| 18:14.35 | ikus060 | annadane: you and I have not control over this ! |
| 18:14.36 | ikus060 | :P |
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| 18:18.12 | RoyK | ikus060: https://xkcd.com/963/ ;) |
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| 18:20.13 | ikus060 | RoyK: good news, I did not open the file or edit it. I have an ansible play book to configure my Nvidia Optimus ! |
| 18:20.34 | RoyK | :) |
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| 18:21.32 | annadane | anyway, 3rd party repositories and especially debian multimedia and especially especially PPAs, can break your system and are untrusted anyway |
| 18:21.38 | annadane | exercise caution or just dump all of them |
| 18:23.09 | RoyK | somewhat like installing a closed-source operating system you have no idea of what is doing on your machine⦠|
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| 18:23.37 | annadane | if i neeeeeeeeed skype (why) i wouldn't be in a rush to install a .deb, add a repository which contains who knows what garbage... |
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| 18:23.53 | RoyK | or you can use the webui |
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| 20:56.05 | rafalcpp | New SystemD Vulnerability Discovered - "can be exploited over the network to, at best, potentially crash a vulnerable Linux machine, or, at worst, execute malicious code on the box" by a malicious host on the same network segment as the victim. https://news.slashdot.org/story/18/10/27/196227/new-systemd-vulnerability-discovered |
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| 20:59.07 | rafalcpp | moves more boxes to the stable version od Debian - Devuan without systemd |
| 20:59.58 | bites | debian doesn't enable systemd-networkd. |
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| 21:00.59 | rafalcpp | bites: that's a great new s then. How do you check it's status to confirm? |
| 21:01.22 | bites | systemctl status systemd-networkd |
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| 21:02.32 | rafalcpp | yeap, disabled or me |
| 21:02.36 | rafalcpp | for |
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| 21:24.18 | squarecircle | heyo, I installed the DisplayLink Debian driver, blacklisted the evdi module, but I get no providers listed |
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| 21:26.26 | squarecircle | any help is appreciated |
| 21:26.37 | squarecircle | oh the evdi module does not stay blacklisted |
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| 21:50.01 | squarecircle | its really interesting that the devices show the boot log, but then arent accessible, when Gnome is loaded |
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| 21:50.20 | squarecircle | ok, its more confusing than interesting |
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| 22:00.53 | squarecircle | the /dev/fb[0-2] devices are there |
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| 22:01.03 | squarecircle | but theres no provider listed |
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| 22:10.29 | PHP3forever | Having read this, and seeing how they never wanted to acknowledge/fix it, am I to assume that Debian *still* has this spying bullshit left in it to this date? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=761658 |
| 22:10.30 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/761658 in systemd (closed): «Please do not default to using Google nameservers»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-09-15; last modified: 2017-10-26. |
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| 22:36.59 | PHP3forever | Anyone alive? |
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| 22:43.34 | squarecircle | PHP3forever: the apocalypse seems to be there |
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| 22:46.38 | PHP3forever | squarecircle: You probably said that jokingly, but that is literally what it feels like to me. |
| 22:46.55 | PHP3forever | Every single OS/software project has gone the same way as everything else... to Hell. |
| 22:47.14 | PHP3forever | They don't even seem to be hiding it anymore. |
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| 22:48.20 | squarecircle | PHP3forever: thats sounds harsh |
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| 22:51.52 | rk4 | PHP3forever: hardly. also, i have more systems not using systemd than using it, you can just not use it :) |
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| 22:58.30 | annadane | i mean, this is a support chan, we'll talk if someone has a question |
| 23:00.37 | squarecircle | How do I get my USB Graphic Adapters running? |
| 23:01.02 | squarecircle | I'm trying for two hours |
| 23:01.05 | squarecircle | and it ran before |
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| 23:01.19 | squarecircle | that whats killing me |
| 23:01.37 | PHP3forever | rk4: "Just not use it"? |
| 23:01.44 | PHP3forever | If it's default, it will be used. |
| 23:01.51 | PHP3forever | The only thing that matters is the defaults. |
| 23:01.59 | PHP3forever | That is software development rule #1. |
| 23:02.22 | PHP3forever | (No, it doesn't matter how easy you think it is to change it.) |
| 23:03.08 | rk4 | you're complaininng about a bit of software, i'm saying don't use it. not sure what else we can do for you |
| 23:03.51 | PHP3forever | "a bit of software" that runs by default. |
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| 23:04.59 | PHP3forever | What's with this total inability to even recognize privacy/security issues? |
| 23:05.42 | rk4 | you seem to have a pattern of hyperbole |
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| 23:06.10 | rk4 | :) |
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| 23:07.43 | squarecircle | oh, I'm with this guy, using google as default is not privacy aware |
| 23:07.56 | squarecircle | rk4: the CCC even advises against it |
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| 23:09.34 | squarecircle | as I have to work a bit more, gn8 |
| 23:13.25 | rk4 | squarecircle: i don't like it either. |
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| 23:17.43 | balsaq | does debian have a unity deskto poption? |
| 23:18.07 | balsaq | package* |
| 23:18.55 | rk4 | packages.debian.org answers questions like this |
| 23:19.14 | rk4 | [https://] |
| 23:19.35 | balsaq | Thanks but i dont want to go there atm |
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| 23:28.42 | balsaq | is anyone here runnning debian with the unity desktop |
| 23:29.35 | hassoon | why would they ? |
| 23:30.07 | tacocat | I could be wrong, but I don't think unity was ever supported on debian |
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| 23:34.15 | balsaq | why not |
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| 23:39.24 | fassl | squarecircle, it seems this just sets a comment in resolv.conf |
| 23:40.01 | fassl | so the service is not enable by default, and even then, you have to uncomment the #FallbackDNS=8.8.8.8 line |
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| 23:43.40 | fassl | sorry i meant /etc/systemd/resolved.conf |
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| 23:46.20 | squarecircle | fassl: ok, thank you for bringing some light to it, sadly PHP3forever is gone, so he does not get it :/ |
| 23:46.54 | fassl | yeah... |
| 23:47.20 | bites | the commented lines in resolved.conf show the compiled in defaults. |
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| 23:47.48 | fassl | what you configure ends up commented out in that config file |
| 23:48.15 | bites | not sure what you mean by that. |
| 23:49.11 | bites | "and even then, you have to uncomment the #FallbackDNS=8.8.8.8 line" - is not true. |
| 23:50.06 | fassl | so it just ignores the comment? |
| 23:50.14 | fassl | *that this line is a comment |
| 23:50.39 | bites | it also says "Entries in this file show the compile time defaults." at the top. |
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| 23:51.07 | bites | it's not unusual for compile time defaults to show up as comments in config files. |
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| 23:52.45 | fassl | https://paste.debian.net/1049346/ |
| 23:52.50 | fassl | where in the code is this used? |
| 23:55.06 | fassl | ahh here it is line 83 |
| 23:55.17 | fassl | ok you are right bites |
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| 23:56.27 | bites | it's all a bit confusing. weird defaults for sure. |
| 23:57.07 | bites | personally i don't agree with the stance the maintainer had, but it's not hard to work around. |
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