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| 00:22.13 | l0ner | michael2: yes, you can keep that partition |
| 00:22.43 | l0ner | I've been doing it for years now. Don't touch it when reinstalling, just add as a mountpoint |
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| 00:24.16 | mason | michael2: Have back-ups just in case. |
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| 00:29.26 | michael2 | l0ner: but don't applications store data there? do you just leave it in place - I guess it actually could be pretty useful because the programs (firefox., vlc, libreoffice etc) will just reuse the data, configs etc from that partition? |
| 00:29.30 | LameName123 | Hello! I wanted to ask why the javah binary, whose purpose it is to "Generate C header and source files from a Java class", is part of the openjdk-8-jdk-headless package. Why headless? |
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| 00:30.24 | l0ner | michael2: Yes, apps store there their config files. Or rather, config files for your user. No actual binaries should be stored there |
| 00:31.05 | l0ner | usually when reinstalling you'd want to keep your configs (I do), so you don't need to reconfigure everything |
| 00:32.14 | l0ner | generally applications store your customized configs in your home, so other users can have different settings |
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| 00:34.06 | michael2 | l0ner: yeah, so its generally a more convienient/less disruptive way of handling re-installs? are there any downsides? |
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| 00:35.07 | l0ner | not really, I mean you need to clean once in a while your dotfiles anyway, since some stuff like to store caches here and there, and you might have some leftover configs for stuff that you dont use anymore |
| 00:36.42 | michael2 | yeah, thats why Ive generally not maintained a separate /home partition. I figured it was cleaner to just restore everything from scratch during a re-install. |
| 00:37.23 | l0ner | and yeah, it's the way more convenient to keep you /home separate and reinstall only what is needed, than offload contents of your /home to some external storage, reinstall, move your data back, reconfigure everything |
| 00:38.12 | l0ner | TBH, for me it was always more convenient to keep the /home separate and once a month do some manual housekeeping |
| 00:38.58 | l0ner | for stuff like clearnig caches/temp files I'd set a once a month cron and be done |
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| 00:39.57 | l0ner | for other stuff i keep track of what I'm uninstalling and then look for leftovers |
| 00:39.59 | ryouma | beware that some caches are actually in .config it seems (recently learned) |
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| 00:40.32 | l0ner | yeah, it's a good idea to look what you have in ~/.config and ~/.local |
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| 00:41.15 | l0ner | especially when you use an DE |
| 00:42.55 | michael2 | yeah, thats the problem most programs haven't adopted a standard practice ( like say xdg standard or something) so programs config files are all other the place |
| 00:43.40 | ryouma | with dist-upgrade, you can set it so that you get dpkg-dist files, so you can merge them into your /etc files manually. but can you make it give you the ancestor? (i.e. the version you installed, so that you have installed, your version, and current distributed version)? that would be useful for quicker merging. |
| 00:44.44 | l0ner | michael2: the standard practice is to use the dotfiles. I know it's kinda messy, but it's a remnan from the unix days i guess. It irks me too, but I've grown to live with it |
| 00:45.45 | l0ner | besides nowdays I don't have that much stuff in my home. Mostly because I've learned to use cli-only systems |
| 00:47.16 | michael2 | l0ner: dotfiles I can live with. but my X11 (i think its from the xinit package) puts its logs etc $HOME . and programs like firefox have more complex file arrangments. I think I will give a separate $HOME partition a go, and see how it works out |
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| 00:48.34 | l0ner | logs can usually be configured and rotated. I haven't worked with X11 in a while so I'm not sure about it though |
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| 01:10.52 | ryouma | is there a difference between 52.9.0esr-1~deb8u1 and 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1? or is that last part just saying that it is identical but compiled against different versions of libraries? |
| 01:11.11 | alad | what's the changelog say? |
| 01:12.01 | ryouma | dunno, i am just looking at madison results for firefox-esr and do not know what to do to get the changelog |
| 01:12.11 | ryouma | alad: i figured the version number means something |
| 01:13.03 | ryouma | currently, firefox-esr on jessie is doing 100% cpu if i load a gmail tab, even though js is turned off. |
| 01:13.17 | alad | apt-get changelog firefox-esr |
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| 01:17.57 | ryouma | alad: ah thanks. but i don't feel like changing my sources.list to stretch, then changing it back, atm |
| 01:18.16 | ryouma | just figured somebody would now the naming convention |
| 01:18.36 | themill | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/firefox-esr |
| 01:19.06 | ryouma | (basically just wondering if the bug would be fixed if i dist-upgraded) |
| 01:19.12 | themill | unlikely |
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| 01:20.45 | ryouma | huh. "The requested URL /changelogs/main/f/firefox-esr/firefox-esr_52.9.0esr-1~deb8u1_changelog was not found on this server." |
| 01:21.17 | ryouma | but the local version looks same |
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| 02:52.43 | michael2 | I ran aptitude search, I tried to SIGTERM it with Ctrl+C, but now its hanged, and locked up my terminal. how can I kill aptitude off and recover my shell? |
| 02:56.49 | Gigglebyte | Can someone tell me why kaddressbook version 16.04.3-4 isn't in the repos yet the debian.pkgs.org website says it is https://debian.pkgs.org/9/debian-main-i386/kaddressbook_16.04.3-4~deb9u1_i386.deb.html ??? |
| 02:57.11 | Gigglebyte | I think I only have version 5.2.3 that I download from the repos, and it doesn't work. |
| 02:57.27 | Gigglebyte | I was not able to find kaddressbook in backports. |
| 02:57.34 | Gigglebyte | I am taking a dinner break and will be on later. |
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| 03:02.09 | themill | Gigglebyte: which release of Debian are you running? |
| 03:02.32 | Gigglebyte | I added the i386 architecture with dpkg, but now get an error message indicating that I am missing kio and that the dependency is not satisfiable. I am already running the latest kio that is allowed with Debian stable. |
| 03:02.43 | Gigglebyte | themill> The latest |
| 03:02.47 | themill | that's not an answer |
| 03:03.20 | Gigglebyte | themill> Debian stable. I will get you the exact version number, please standby |
| 03:03.35 | themill | ,v kaddressbook --release stretch |
| 03:03.36 | judd | Package: kaddressbook on amd64 -- stretch: 4:16.04.3-4~deb9u1 |
| 03:03.44 | themill | that package is most definitely in stretch |
| 03:03.48 | themill | !bat |
| 03:03.48 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 03:05.01 | Gigglebyte | themill> I am running Debian 9 stretch |
| 03:06.23 | Gigglebyte | themill> I think the problem I am having with kaddressbook is that the version in the repos is much older than the version illustrated in the URL I posted. |
| 03:07.08 | dvs | Gigglebyte, then paste the output of "apt-cache policy kaddressbook" |
| 03:07.13 | Gigglebyte | I am frustrated that there isn't one functional address book in the repos. There is Dlume, but there is no import feature for your data. |
| 03:07.22 | themill | I have no idea what pkgs.org is but I know that the information that dpkg asked you for will help |
| 03:07.32 | themill | kaddressbook in stretch works just fine |
| 03:08.45 | Gigglebyte | dvs> Here it is http://paste.debian.net/1037866/ |
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| 03:09.59 | dvs | Gigglebyte, well, it is at the latest version. |
| 03:10.33 | Gigglebyte | themill> I attempted to install the addressbook from this website using the Debian Package installer and first received an error that there is no i386 architecture installed, so I added that with dpkg and reran the command. I then came back with an error indicating that kio dependency is not satisfiable, but I am already running the latest kio which came installed by default with the distro I am running. |
| 03:12.11 | Gigglebyte | dvs> ok, but the website is providing some radically different information. The website indicates the version is 16.04.3-4 but the file in the repos is 5.2.3 I realize that things take longer to catch up with Debian, but the kaddressbook in the Debian repos just doesn't work. |
| 03:12.14 | themill | you should install things from apt |
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| 03:12.41 | themill | no, 16.04.3-4~deb9u1 is what you have installed and is what is in the repo. |
| 03:12.45 | Gigglebyte | themill> I usually do, but in this case the kaddressbook in the repo doesn't work after being installed with apt-get |
| 03:12.46 | themill | Look at your own paste. |
| 03:13.16 | themill | I'd love it if you started volunteering information rather than having to drag it out of you |
| 03:13.51 | themill | There is absolutely no need for i386 packages in this. What *exactly* have you done? |
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| 03:14.51 | Gigglebyte | themill> dpkg -add-architecture i386 |
| 03:15.08 | Gigglebyte | themill> So what should I do to remove the architecture? |
| 03:15.34 | themill | remove the packages you installed first |
| 03:16.09 | Gigglebyte | themill> I haven't installed anything. I just removed the i386 architecture. |
| 03:16.37 | Gigglebyte | I need to take a break. Will be back later. |
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| 04:55.28 | srruby | VNC/RDP/X11 ???? I have 2 computers. One is a NUC (a small computer with no monitor) and the other is a laptop. What do you suggest for remote desktop software between the 2 ? They will be on the same wifi network or possibly plugged via ethernet to the same wifi router. |
| 04:55.51 | srruby | They are both running debian 9 or 10 |
| 04:56.33 | srruby | Actually Buster |
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| 05:04.00 | farruinn | srruby: if they're both linux I would think X11 is a straightforward choice. |
| 05:05.18 | srruby | farruinn: Thanks. |
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| 05:14.11 | Solver | Oh too late. Yep I'd use X11 too. Do it old skool without encryption across a 1GB wired link and it will scream. Declare them to be in the same security domain. |
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| 08:12.15 | rendar | i have just done an apt update+upgrade, now my nvidia drivers won't start Xorg |
| 08:12.18 | rendar | and i can't work |
| 08:12.25 | rendar | please help me to fix this shit |
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| 08:12.50 | SpeedyG | how? |
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| 08:13.01 | Lope | can someone please recommend a linux open source time-tracker? (providing functionality like toggl.com) |
| 08:13.48 | SpeedyG | Lope: havent tried any of these, but maybe it helps: https://www.timecamp.com/blog/2016/08/linux-time-tracking/ |
| 08:14.11 | rendar | how i can start Xorg again? |
| 08:14.14 | rendar | i have to work... |
| 08:14.53 | SpeedyG | rendar: without any logging, error messages or additional information, nobody can help you |
| 08:14.58 | Lope | rendar: these days you normally start your session manager |
| 08:15.16 | apls714 | rendar, where you using nvidia proprietary drivers before you done update/upgrade or was it open source driver for nvidia? |
| 08:15.23 | Lope | could be one of these `service lightdm start` `service sddm start` `service gdm start` |
| 08:15.44 | jmd | I want to have udhcpd start on boot. Running "/etc/init.d/udhcpd start" claims to have started it (it says "[ ok ] Starting udhcpd (via systemctl): udhcpd.service.") but it never starts. How can I resolve this (cleanly) ? |
| 08:15.56 | Lope | if your session manager is running just running `pkill Xorg` normally causes it to restart automagically. |
| 08:16.01 | rendar | pgdf rg\\]\ |
| 08:16.10 | rendar | Lope: i don't have a session manager |
| 08:16.15 | rendar | i just start Xorg with startx |
| 08:16.29 | slax0r | startx should give you some output on why it fails to start |
| 08:16.39 | slax0r | or at least write something into /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 08:16.49 | rendar | apls714: the ones from apt get nvidia-driver |
| 08:17.00 | rendar | apls714: i guess these are the open source ones |
| 08:17.14 | rendar | slax0r: yes and it says to check dmesg |
| 08:17.20 | slax0r | and? |
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| 08:17.26 | rendar | it says that it cannot load "ramdac" module |
| 08:17.33 | rendar | that is the one which fails, at the starts |
| 08:17.40 | rendar | then it says to check dmesg which says |
| 08:17.41 | slax0r | sigh... https://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc/ |
| 08:17.56 | rendar | module: nvidia: unknown RELA relocation 4 |
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| 08:18.31 | rendar | slax0r: i'm on a console terminal based irc client, i cannot open websites or something |
| 08:19.17 | SpeedyG | apt install lynx/links/elinks ? |
| 08:19.23 | rendar | this is everything i could get from error messages, any clues? |
| 08:19.23 | SpeedyG | console-based browsing |
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| 08:19.38 | rendar | speedyG: please help me to solve this, i have to work |
| 08:20.06 | Lope | I found ktimetracker and timewarrior |
| 08:20.27 | apls714 | rendar, this is how I'm using my NVIDIA GTX card with proprietary drivers, this method works with Debian 9 Stretch with default Gnome destop, take a look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUsnygrNUMw |
| 08:20.29 | slax0r | I found that doing updates when you need to do work is bad practice, precisely because of the reasons you are currently experiencing |
| 08:20.55 | SpeedyG | exactly slax0r :) |
| 08:21.03 | SpeedyG | anyway, i've got work to do too... so i'm afk |
| 08:21.05 | apls714 | and installing updates does not brake nvidia drivers. |
| 08:21.25 | rendar | I FOUND THAT GOOD OPERATING SYSTEMS DO NOT FUCK UP GRAPHICAL INERFACES AFTER AN UPDATE! |
| 08:21.37 | rendar | fucking moron |
| 08:21.47 | SpeedyG | seems like you also found capslock... |
| 08:22.09 | slax0r | wow... |
| 08:22.13 | slax0r | well, best of luck to you then |
| 08:23.25 | Lope | rendar: incase you're unaware, you've got an attitude problem. It will only bring you suffering. |
| 08:23.29 | jmd | What is the line ". /lib/lsb/init-functions" in /etc/init.d/udhcpd supposed to do? |
| 08:23.34 | rendar | slax0r: i guess the spirit of this channel is helping people, not telling them "you shoulndn't update your system" |
| 08:23.50 | rendar | Lope: check this ^ |
| 08:24.28 | slax0r | rendar: it also helps not call people morons, I was willing to help you with that, but I needed some time to google around for a similar issue... hence I found it, but now...meh |
| 08:24.29 | SpeedyG | rendar: before continuing, find another computer and read the link that slax0r just posted... then take a look at your last comment and reconsider it... |
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| 08:24.34 | rendar | Lope: i'm quite frustrated because of this, is someone instead of helping tells me that i shouldn't update my system, that's ..get me upset |
| 08:24.35 | Lope | This is not paid support. If you're nice to people they might help you. Who have you helped so far today here? |
| 08:24.52 | jelly | rendar: what does "uname -r" say right now? Also, best focus on technical aspects, venting frustration is not making any volunteer more likely to help |
| 08:24.54 | rendar | Lope: i think i'm being nice, until someone tells me i shouldn't update my system |
| 08:25.16 | rendar | 4.9.0-6-amd64 |
| 08:25.19 | rendar | jelly ^ |
| 08:25.28 | slax0r | anyway...back to the salt mines for me |
| 08:26.23 | Lope | rendar, actually I agree with slax0r, and as you can see so does SpeedyG. |
| 08:26.31 | rendar | Lope: on what? |
| 08:26.34 | jelly | rendar: weird, that's not the latest. And is $(4.9.0-6-amd64 installed? dpkg -l linux-headers-$(uname -r) | tail -n 1 |
| 08:26.49 | jelly | oops |
| 08:27.00 | Lope | We have all had experience of failed updates. It's been less than 1% of the time, but when you update you have to be prepared for the possibility of a broken system. |
| 08:27.01 | jelly | is matching* linux-headers* installed |
| 08:27.24 | Lope | So updating just before you've got urgent work to do is best avoided. |
| 08:27.40 | Lope | This is actually helpful, wise advice given in kindness. |
| 08:27.42 | rendar | Lope: i strongly disagree, not in 2018, not when all other systems won't do that. I really regret to have chosen debian, if this is the debian standard |
| 08:27.57 | rendar | jelly: wait |
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| 08:28.38 | rendar | Lope: plus, i had to update because of some old tools debian subbornly stuck to use |
| 08:28.45 | SpeedyG | rendar: this isnt just the debian standard, its common sense... try a windows 10 update.... you'll waste 3 hours of waiting time until its updated (if it doesnt break) ... that is also not recommended to do when you've got critical work to do |
| 08:29.14 | SpeedyG | rendar: anyway, try to put that frustration to bed... and lets work on the fix instead :) |
| 08:29.27 | Lope | Every operating system experiences occasional breakages during updates. Software and hardware is complex and diverse. There's no guarantees that everything will always work. If you want the best chance of that you should consider using an apple computer where the hardware variation is extremely small and the software is usually tested on the actual hardware that you'll be running. |
| 08:29.30 | rendar | SpeedyG: everytime i have update on Windows or MacOSX, the only thing i have lost, is a little time, but system worked like a charm, after |
| 08:29.53 | blackflow | then that's settled. you'll reinstall windows. goodbye. o/ |
| 08:29.57 | jelly | Lope, SpeedyG, rendar: can we focus on the tech issue at hand, and leave the platitudes |
| 08:30.15 | rendar | Lope: the UI user interfaces that doesn't start anymore, making IMPOSSIBLE to cut&paste help commands from irc, doesn't happen ANYMORE in 2018 |
| 08:30.15 | jelly | else I'm going to +q everyone and enjoy the silence |
| 08:30.16 | SpeedyG | sure jelly. |
| 08:30.19 | Lope | jelly, sure. |
| 08:30.21 | rendar | it happened in windows 3.11 |
| 08:30.26 | rendar | with DOS, for Christ sake |
| 08:30.31 | SpeedyG | rendar: same goes for you! |
| 08:31.05 | rendar | jelly: i don't think linux-headers is installed btw |
| 08:31.22 | rendar | jelly: but if i do apt install nvidia-driver, i don't need linux-headers, right? |
| 08:31.28 | jelly | rendar: wrong |
| 08:32.01 | rendar | jelly: should i install linux-headers and then reinstall nvidia-driver? what would be the best option? |
| 08:33.15 | blackflow | nvidia-driver pulls in the headers through nvidia-kernel-dkms and that through dkms packages. |
| 08:33.17 | jelly | rendar: the best option right now would be to install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64, then iunstall or dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms and let it build modules for the current kernel |
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| 08:34.27 | jelly | rendar: current kernel has "4.9.0-7-amd64" uname -r, so your patching was incomplete. You probably want to do "apt full-upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 08:34.42 | jmd | Is there a tutorial anywhere on systemd and how to use and debug it ? |
| 08:35.07 | rendar | jelly: i see |
| 08:35.19 | jelly | it is interesting that Debian might have broken ABI in 4.9.0-6-amd64 but not that surprising |
| 08:35.46 | crackpotmark | Jmd: https://wiki.debian.org/systemd |
| 08:35.48 | Psy-Q | jmd: did you check the documentation section at https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/ already? |
| 08:36.01 | jelly | (because as long as the kernel keeps the same uname -r, third party modules are supposed to keep working) |
| 08:36.08 | jelly | rendar: did you reboot after patching? |
| 08:36.20 | jmd | Psy-Q: That's not a tutorial |
| 08:36.43 | Lope | I installed proprietary drivers on Ubuntu 18.04 for GT540M. It was a bit of a fiddle to get it working. Nothing too hectic though. A few googles etc. But I'm using normal session managers etc. |
| 08:36.49 | crackpotmark | Personally I like https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/systemd-essentials-working-with-services-units-and-the-journal |
| 08:37.00 | crackpotmark | Digital ocean do great tutorials |
| 08:37.19 | rendar | jelly: after a full-upgrade, dist-upgrade tells me that everything is up to date, is this normal? |
| 08:37.34 | rendar | jelly: not yet, i'm rebooting right now |
| 08:38.41 | Psy-Q | jmd: no, but it has a series of blog articles that are sort of tutorial-like and there are introductions in french and russian if those are of any use |
| 08:39.08 | Psy-Q | for developers there isn't much there, yeah.. |
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| 08:40.07 | jelly | honestly archlinux wiki has better docs for systemd that official docs :-\ |
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| 08:40.39 | rendar | jelly: after a full-upgrade i still have 4.0.9-6 |
| 08:40.43 | rendar | how this is possible?! |
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| 08:41.05 | rendar | X still doesn't start |
| 08:41.28 | jelly | rendar: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64" |
| 08:41.39 | jelly | !pastebinit |
| 08:41.39 | dpkg | A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 08:42.01 | jelly | or |
| 08:42.03 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.25 | rendar | paste.debian.net/1037887 |
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| 08:43.36 | jelly | rendar: you have repos for buster, as yet unreleased "testing" branch, is that right? |
| 08:43.44 | rendar | yes! |
| 08:43.47 | rendar | i'm on buster |
| 08:44.02 | jelly | things break in testing all the time |
| 08:44.10 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 08:44.10 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 08:44.19 | rendar | jelly: i know but stables has very frustating old versions! |
| 08:44.23 | jelly | do not use testing for work. |
| 08:44.35 | jelly | or anything you need reliability for |
| 08:44.42 | rendar | jelly: but stable hasn't NEW VERSION OF PACKAGES I NEED FOR WORK! |
| 08:44.59 | rendar | so i can't use debian, basically |
| 08:45.23 | jelly | rendar: I'd suggest using a separate testing chroot and let the actual OS be stable |
| 08:45.36 | jmd | What is smfpd and what do I need it for? |
| 08:45.51 | rendar | jelly: ok, but how is possible i have 4.0.9-6 now? |
| 08:46.05 | slax0r | jmd: mfp daemon |
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| 08:46.41 | jmd | And what is mfp ? |
| 08:46.46 | crackpotmark | Depending on dependencies, maybe try finding a dpkg and installing manually. Of course this stops apt from updating properly |
| 08:46.47 | jelly | rendar: hard to say |
| 08:46.56 | crackpotmark | @rendar |
| 08:47.11 | jelly | ,kernels --arch amd64 |
| 08:47.12 | judd | (kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 08:47.16 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 08:47.17 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.18.0-rc5-686 (4.18~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.8-1); buster: 4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.8-1); stretch-backports: 4.17.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.17.8-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-7-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.7-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u1~deb8u1); wheezy- |
| 08:47.18 | judd | backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 08:47.37 | jelly | rendar: you ought to be on 4.17.0-1-amd64 probably |
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| 08:48.06 | jelly | but that's a case for #debian-next |
| 08:48.07 | slax0r | jmd: printer driver |
| 08:48.44 | rendar | irc.oftc.net: you're now identified for 'rendar' --- cannot join #debian-next you must be indeitified to join this channel |
| 08:48.48 | rendar | what the hell?! |
| 08:49.06 | jmd | slax0r: Ok. I can do without that for now. How do I disable it? |
| 08:49.07 | at0m | ,v linux-image-rt-amd64 |
| 08:49.08 | judd | Package: linux-image-rt-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-security: 3.2+46+deb7u2; jessie-backports: 4.9+80+deb9u4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u4; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u4; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9+80+deb9u5; stretch-backports: 4.16+94~bpo9+1 |
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| 08:49.34 | rendar | jelly: stable is 4.0.9-7 ? |
| 08:50.00 | jelly | rendar: your client does not seem to be actually identified on oftc, maybe that's an old message |
| 08:50.18 | slax0r | jmd: don't know, sorry |
| 08:50.22 | rendar | it's an old message that doesn't let me join the channel |
| 08:50.35 | jelly | red-001: identify again |
| 08:50.40 | jelly | rendar: ^ |
| 08:50.41 | rendar | jelly: there isn't a way to return back with previous nvidia drivers? |
| 08:51.04 | rendar | still can't join |
| 08:51.35 | rendar | how i can reinstall the nvidia-driver package? |
| 08:51.59 | jelly | rendar: try now |
| 08:52.54 | rendar | ok, now it worked |
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| 08:54.50 | rendar | jelly: man, i think i found the error |
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| 09:00.21 | jmd | So https://wiki.debian.org/systemd says "For help ask on #systemd". #systemd's first question is "What distro" - when you tell them Debian, the answer is ask on #debian. |
| 09:01.05 | jmd | Anyone know how to resolve this mutual dependency? |
| 09:01.14 | jelly | what happens if you tell #systemd the same thing |
| 09:02.32 | jmd | I expect they will say "Debian is completely broken. Use a different distro." |
| 09:02.46 | jelly | but if you're just looking for source of smfpd.service you can hunt for that file in a package |
| 09:03.05 | jelly | jmd: dpkg -S smfpd.service |
| 09:03.34 | jmd | Well I think the smfpd issue is just the tip of the iceberg |
| 09:04.35 | jmd | (that command says "no path found matching ..." |
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| 09:06.35 | jelly | jmd: okay, and what does "locate smfpd.service" say? |
| 09:07.18 | jmd | runs updatedb |
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| 09:11.42 | jmd | jelly: The only hits are under /run/systemd/generator.late |
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| 09:15.25 | dob1 | hi, unfortunately I don't have the pc here, It's on another place and I have to tell the person is near the pc what do do: the problem is that the pc reboot but it says rootfs has problems |
| 09:15.36 | dob1 | so a shell appears asking to what to do |
| 09:15.56 | dob1 | it is ok tu run fsck /dev/sdX to try to resolve the problem? |
| 09:16.44 | jmd | dob1: In my experience it is the only thing one can do (except reinstall the entire system). |
| 09:18.02 | dob1 | jmd, the last doubt: the person that is near the pc doesn't know nothing about linux (this is an headless pc), from the recovery shell, how to find which is the root partition? cat /etc/fast |grep ??? |
| 09:18.27 | dob1 | I have to tell him the most simple command to find the line in fstab for the root partition |
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| 09:19.27 | dob1 | maybe cat /etc/fstab |grep "\s/\s" ? |
| 09:19.45 | jmd | grep ' / ' /etc/fstab should probable work. |
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| 09:21.07 | dob1 | and if there is the UUID how can I go back to the /dev/sdX ? |
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| 09:21.50 | jmd | Edit it I suppose - if thats what you really want. |
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| 09:22.30 | dob1 | I was meaning this: fsck needs /dev/sdX as parameter |
| 09:22.46 | dob1 | from fstab I get the UUID, how to get the device name ? |
| 09:23.22 | jmd | blkid -U |
| 09:23.42 | at0m | ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
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| 09:24.52 | dob1 | got it, thanks ! |
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| 09:25.50 | ayekat | hi - is there a way to get back the default files in /etc/systemd/network (if I installed the system in a KVM, with a virtio network interface)? |
| 09:26.12 | ayekat | I think the files were responsible for preventing the predictable network interface names from being applied |
| 09:27.07 | ayekat | the problem is that systemd-networkd somehow does not seem to properly trigger upon the device being renamed from eth0 to ens3 by the kernel |
| 09:27.39 | ayekat | i.e. it should run DHCP on ens3, but... it just doesn't do anything (if I systemctl restart systemd-networkd, it sees ens3 and applies its rules correctly) |
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| 09:28.07 | ayekat | so I would like to investigate what the files actually did (before I removed them) |
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| 09:29.50 | deicide- | i need to reinstall my secondary os, is it possible to get grub afterwards? |
| 09:30.00 | deicide- | i don't want to reinstall my main os(debian) |
| 09:30.50 | jmd | deicide-: It is possible. Whether your secondary os makes it easy is another question. |
| 09:31.21 | petn-randall | deicide-: What do you mean exactly? If you reinstall Windows, it usually overwrites the boot record. You just need a live system to fix it though. |
| 09:34.16 | deicide- | yea i need to reinstall windows |
| 09:34.39 | deicide- | how hard is it to get grub back? |
| 09:35.03 | jmd | Not hard if you have a rescue disk or similar. |
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| 09:35.51 | jmd | But if possible I would recommend you put each os on a different physical disk. |
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| 09:37.04 | jmd | A silly question: 9.5 is supposed to be a stable release isn't it? |
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| 09:42.18 | Fox | jmd: yes it is |
| 09:42.37 | deicide- | they are in physical different disks |
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| 09:43.17 | jmd | deicide-: Then disconnect your debian one. Reinstall the other os. The the other os cannot mess with debian. |
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| 09:43.35 | deicide- | oh fucking awesome |
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| 09:45.22 | jmd | Is there a way I can force a package to reinstall and reconfigure everything per its default? |
| 09:46.52 | deicide- | i didn't know that if i have them on different physical drives then grub is un touchable |
| 09:47.00 | deicide- | really good to know |
| 09:47.20 | jmd | Well assuming that grub has been installed on the one you disconnect. |
| 09:47.50 | deicide- | doubtful its going to be on the windows one |
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| 09:51.03 | pepijndevos | I'm trying to set up a Raspberry running headless debian to connect to wifi using wicd. It's currently using dhcpcd+wpa-suplicant. |
| 09:51.35 | pepijndevos | So I install wicd, and configure the network using the curses interface, but it won't connect. |
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| 09:52.52 | pepijndevos | It spins on authenticating for a bit and then goes back to not connected. It generates a wpa-suplicant file, which is almost identical to the one that's working. |
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| 09:53.29 | pepijndevos | I tried editing the template so it's actually identical, but still not connecting. I'm out of ideas. |
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| 09:54.33 | pepijndevos | All I want is that it reconnects when it loses signal. So I'm also open to better solutions. |
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| 10:02.39 | n_1-c_k | jmd: "force a package to..." - apt-get --reinstall, maybe, preceded by moving your local config aside. I don't know that it's entirely safe though. |
| 10:03.05 | jmd | n_1-c_k: OK. Thanks. |
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| 10:40.03 | michael2 | hi, does anyone know the command to show power at the command line? |
| 10:40.22 | michael2 | sorry I mean battery percent/time remaining? |
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| 10:44.09 | n_1-c_k | michael2: try 'acpi -b' |
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| 10:47.08 | michael2 | n_1-c_k: I dont have the command, I think the command I was looking for was upower |
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| 10:49.14 | jelly | judd, file bin/acpi |
| 10:49.19 | judd | Search for bin/acpi in stretch/amd64: acpi: usr/bin/acpi |
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| 10:50.06 | n_1-c_k | michael2: oh I hadn't heard of 'upower'. Maybe that's what the cool kids use nowadays. |
| 10:50.28 | aggelis | exit |
| 10:50.57 | michael2 | n_1-c_k: thanks for calling me cool :) nah, its just that its a bit more user friendly output than acpi - from memory |
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| 11:00.44 | michael2 | if you're really keen you could try: /sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/uevent. im not that keen |
| 11:01.22 | annadane | this is kind of the height of all laziness but when i was using sid i'd use the needrestart package to let me know when stuff... yeah, needed to be restarted. on stable there's obviously less updates, is it still good to just install the package? i generally assume the only computer restarts required are for microcode and kernel |
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| 11:02.32 | annadane | like i just updated samba and i'm not sure whether the service needs to be restarted now or whatever (not the computer, obviously, in this case) |
| 11:02.38 | michael2 | annadane: cant you just check for the existence of /run/reboot-required ? |
| 11:02.49 | annadane | oh can you just do that? TIL |
| 11:03.06 | annadane | is that for the whole computer only though? |
| 11:03.35 | michael2 | how do you mean "the whole computer" |
| 11:03.37 | michael2 | ? |
| 11:04.09 | annadane | reboot the whole computer |
| 11:04.13 | annadane | not just service restarts |
| 11:04.46 | michael2 | oh, yes, its when a whole reboot is required. e.g. for kernel upgrades. |
| 11:05.31 | annadane | some updates if you have needrestart installed, it will tell you if you need to restart a service |
| 11:05.32 | michael2 | does that "needrestart" package tell you when a specific process needs to be restarted? |
| 11:05.36 | annadane | yep |
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| 11:05.53 | annadane | be nice if it just told you rather than needing a seperate package |
| 11:06.08 | annadane | for samba i assume i don't need to do anything |
| 11:07.12 | michael2 | yeah, I guess usually after I've done a dist-upgrade the whole system usually needs reboot anyway |
| 11:08.06 | annadane | i'm just going to be lazy and assume if it doesn't mention anything i just won't bother |
| 11:08.13 | annadane | aside from what i already know of |
| 11:09.15 | annadane | though to be fair stable updates are purely security and sid can be the introduction of completely new features |
| 11:09.40 | michael2 | are you running sid? |
| 11:09.44 | annadane | no, stable |
| 11:09.52 | annadane | i'm saying when i ran sid, needrestart was more relevant |
| 11:10.22 | michael2 | yeah, I dont upgrade packages that arent security generally |
| 11:10.59 | michael2 | im almost at the point of removing stretch-updates from /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:11.45 | annadane | full system restarts are basically just microcode and kernel |
| 11:11.50 | annadane | and i'm sure it will tell you |
| 11:12.00 | annadane | well, and if you install proprietary drivers etc |
| 11:12.10 | annadane | (which still tells you, there's a specific dialog box) |
| 11:12.15 | jelly | needrestart really just makes educated guesses, it might get things wrong or miss other things |
| 11:12.22 | annadane | ah |
| 11:12.26 | annadane | that makes sense |
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| 11:16.31 | Fox | never heard of needrestart, always used checkrestart from debian-goodies, will give it at try |
| 11:18.25 | annadane | i'm sure they've thought of that, if there's a security update for package foo they're not just going to not tell the user they have to restart services and assume they have x package installed to tell them |
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| 12:15.48 | jim | hi... is there a client for odoo office suite (well I guess it's an office suite) |
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| 12:16.51 | jim | I looked in apt-cache search odoo |
| 12:18.29 | jelly | odoo is kind of closed source, "open core", I'm not sure ANY of it is packaged |
| 12:18.55 | jelly | that said, did you do your due diligence and apt-cache search odoo |
| 12:19.10 | jim | as mentioned yes |
| 12:19.50 | jim | it says on the web page it's under GPL v3 |
| 12:20.17 | crackpotmark | Odoo provide a repo of their own |
| 12:20.27 | crackpotmark | Not in standard debian repos |
| 12:20.45 | jim | oh ok, any idea of its address? |
| 12:20.51 | jelly | I thought it was more a CRM or ERP |
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| 12:21.58 | jelly | jim: /msg alis list odoo ... maybe ask in #openobject ? |
| 12:22.10 | jim | ok |
| 12:22.37 | crackpotmark | https://www.odoo.com/documentation/11.0/setup/install.html#setup-install-packaged |
| 12:22.37 | padarc | jim, https://www.odoo.com/documentation/11.0/setup/install.html ... |
| 12:22.54 | crackpotmark | http://nightly.odoo.com/11.0/nightly/deb |
| 12:23.02 | crackpotmark | That's the direct deb repo |
| 12:23.10 | crackpotmark | For your sources.list |
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| 12:24.17 | jim | thank you so much... now how could I have found that myself? |
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| 12:25.19 | crackpotmark | In the guide I linked on the website :) |
| 12:27.30 | jelly | are you saying official documentation has relevant and correct install info?! |
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| 12:30.45 | jim | ok, thanks |
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| 12:52.55 | Orbstheorem | Hello, what is the `workdir` argument in overlayfs for? |
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| 13:18.12 | Fox | Orbstheorem: https://windsock.io/the-overlay-filesystem/ |
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| 13:19.52 | DammitJim | my system has this message in my mail: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], 1 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors |
| 13:20.00 | DammitJim | I swapped hard drives and still have the same problem |
| 13:20.03 | Orbstheorem | Fox: awesome, thanks! |
| 13:20.07 | Fox | Orbstheorem: yaw |
| 13:20.16 | DammitJim | I also ran: dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/null |
| 13:20.22 | DammitJim | but it didn't show any bad sectors |
| 13:20.31 | DammitJim | what do you guys think it could be? |
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| 13:31.28 | SerajewelKS | DammitJim: the disk itself may have corrected the problem |
| 13:32.19 | SerajewelKS | DammitJim: perhaps try using badblocks, also smartctl to see if the drive has remapped any sectors |
| 13:33.15 | DammitJim | SerajewelKS, do you mind sharing how I do that? |
| 13:33.28 | DammitJim | I wonder if I need to change the sata cable |
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| 13:48.46 | Fox | DammitJim: badblocks -wsv /dev/sdb (read the man to see if you want these options) |
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| 13:49.43 | Fox | maybe you should go with -nsv first |
| 13:51.16 | frostschutz | don't badblocks if you expect to keep/recover data |
| 13:52.35 | frostschutz | DammitJim, check smartctl -a, run smartctl -t long then check again. if the selftest fails, it will show an LBA address in the error log |
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| 13:56.14 | DammitJim | frostschutz, thanks |
| 13:56.25 | DammitJim | I ran smartctl -a /dev/sdb and there was nothing written in the log |
| 13:56.34 | DammitJim | I'm now waiting my 228 minutes for -t long to finish |
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| 13:58.54 | DammitJim | what log do I look at for this, though? |
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| 13:59.33 | Fox | frostschutz: badblocks is non-destructive if using -n |
| 13:59.44 | Fox | for sure -w wipes the drive |
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| 14:00.57 | Orbstheorem | Hello, I'm trying to package a python package for debian. When I run `debuild -us -uc --lintian-opts --profile debian`, I get this tree structure: https://paste.gnugen.ch/raw/zWTA |
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| 14:01.46 | Orbstheorem | control: https://paste.gnugen.ch/raw/U9HW rules: https://paste.gnugen.ch/raw/A7ZQ |
| 14:02.28 | Orbstheorem | I don't understand why the dist-packages won't get copied over to the package folder :/ |
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| 14:03.01 | babilen | Orbstheorem: You are probably looking for #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:03.05 | ntd | is "netplan" as implemented in ubuntu bionic a direction debian will be taking onwards or is this just ub frakking around like they did with upstart? |
| 14:03.06 | frostschutz | Fox, it's non-destructive on a working drive, but might not manage to write original data back on a failing one. also, drive must not be mounted in any case. basically, it can still lose you data in some cases |
| 14:03.14 | Orbstheorem | babilen: Alright, thanks |
| 14:03.28 | ntd | and "mir" |
| 14:03.45 | frostschutz | badblocks is fine if you want to test a drive regardless of data, if you need to recover data just ddrescue straight away to a new drive |
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| 14:05.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell Orbstheorem -about mentors |
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| 14:06.01 | themill | Orbstheorem: you're probably missing three debian/$package.install files (man dh_install) |
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| 14:06.51 | babilen | Orbstheorem: #debian-python might also help, but I see that themill probably noticed the underlying issue already |
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| 14:09.40 | Orbstheorem | themill: I'll continue on #debian-mentors if you don't mind |
| 14:09.56 | noodlepie | Hiya Debbers! |
| 14:10.04 | themill | sure |
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| 14:20.11 | beepnboop- | i lost my grub |
| 14:20.14 | beepnboop- | what do? |
| 14:20.23 | greycat | !reinstall grub |
| 14:20.23 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html . Boot a CD like <grml>, mount your disk read/write, (mount boot partition into your / partition if applicable,) mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/device.map). Also ask me about <fixmbr> <rescue mode>. |
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| 14:24.30 | beepnboop- | that sounds hard |
| 14:24.36 | beepnboop- | i'll check a video |
| 14:25.28 | greycat | Should be able to use the debian installer medium instead of grml. |
| 14:28.34 | beepnboop- | thats gonna be an issue cause i just put gparted |
| 14:28.42 | beepnboop- | on the stick |
| 14:29.00 | beepnboop- | which makes me furious cause it doesn't even boot |
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| 14:39.30 | tobiasBora | HEllo, |
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| 14:48.47 | tobiasBora | I'd like to know, I'd like to force the connection to my server using password (because the recorded key has only limited access), so I put in my .ssh/config: |
| 14:48.49 | tobiasBora | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.51 | tobiasBora | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.13 | tobiasBora | for the server, but when it connects it says: Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). |
| 14:49.24 | tobiasBora | and I don't have any prompt for my password |
| 14:49.33 | greycat | forget all that crap, put your .ssh/config back the way it was, and run ssh WITHOUT whatever variables it uses to contact the ssh-agent where your key's passphrase is stored |
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| 14:49.42 | greycat | or from a different user account |
| 14:50.39 | petn-randall | tobiasBora: Why not just add the pubkey to the server's user? |
| 14:50.55 | jelly | tobiasBora: could the remote service might be configured to have password auth completely disabled |
| 14:51.27 | greycat | Just ssh from root instead of yourself so it can't use your key, and then it'll have to fall back to password, IF password is allowed at all. |
| 14:51.30 | jelly | do you have access to remote /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
| 14:51.31 | tobiasBora | greycat: I can only use one account on this device, and when .ssh/config is empty, when I try to connect it tries to use the key, that fails because I have no-tty for that key on the server side |
| 14:51.45 | greycat | What "device"? This is #debian. |
| 14:51.51 | tobiasBora | jelly: for sure the remote server accepts password |
| 14:52.18 | tobiasBora | greycat: server is debian, but the device is an android running termux |
| 14:52.30 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 14:52.33 | tobiasBora | jelly: no, I just have regular user |
| 14:52.45 | tobiasBora | will go to #termux then |
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| 14:55.09 | jelly | tobiasBora: uh, do you have admin rights on that debian ssh server or not? What does "I can only use one account on this [client] device" mean? |
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| 14:56.00 | tobiasBora | jelly: I have no admin on the debian server. On the android side, Termux does not allow multi users |
| 14:56.18 | tobiasBora | no admin rights* |
| 14:56.47 | jelly | my juicessh android client can be easily configured to use many identities (usernames, ssh keys), and I'm pretty sure termux is not that limited either |
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| 14:59.05 | tobiasBora | jelly: well termux embeed the original ssh program I think |
| 14:59.09 | tobiasBora | so that's why I came here |
| 14:59.19 | tobiasBora | I think that the problem is related to ssh, not termux |
| 15:00.07 | jelly | what original ssh program, openssh client? |
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| 15:00.56 | jelly | if you have access to ssh command line run it with -v or -vv option added and then you can confirm whether the server actually shows password auth in the handshake |
| 15:01.56 | tobiasBora | jelly: yes, OpenSSH_7.7p1 |
| 15:02.49 | amosbird | Hello, what are the equivalent of these pacakges https://la.wentropy.com/T-bz |
| 15:04.31 | petn-randall | !goal |
| 15:04.31 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 15:04.34 | petn-randall | amosbird: ^^^ |
| 15:04.56 | tobiasBora | jelly: Here are the logs: http://paste.debian.net/1037935. |
| 15:05.21 | petn-randall | amosbird: The "equivalent" might not work, depending on your issue. It's best if you describe what you're trying to accomplish. |
| 15:05.35 | themill | (and which release of Debian this is for) |
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| 15:06.41 | tobiasBora | jelly: The funny thing is that when I connect with "ssh myuser@myserver.myprovider.org", it works, but not with "ssh myserver"... It's like if the .config forces keys |
| 15:06.53 | amosbird | hmm |
| 15:07.04 | amosbird | I'm trying to build this https://la.wentropy.com/SJtV |
| 15:07.15 | jelly | tobiasBora: yeah I don't know anything about how termux manages ssh config inside itself |
| 15:07.23 | amosbird | it was based on ubuntu:18.04 but it doesn't have gcc-8.2 |
| 15:07.26 | amosbird | so I use this |
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| 15:08.18 | themill | amosbird: that's trying to install some packages that don't exist. Not exactly a goal. |
| 15:08.38 | tobiasBora | jelly: so you think it's termux related, not openssh related |
| 15:09.24 | jelly | tobiasBora: this does not list password at all. > debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,keyboard-interactive |
| 15:09.27 | tobiasBora | jelly: greycat: I tried the same thing on my debian, same bug |
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| 15:09.46 | amosbird | themill: yeah, those packages are needed for building https://github.com/yandex/ClickHouse |
| 15:10.35 | jelly | tobiasBora: unlike a debian -> debian "ssh -v localhost" on my stretch system: debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password |
| 15:11.12 | amosbird | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:11.13 | amosbird | 9.5 |
| 15:12.10 | jelly | tobiasBora: you can try to ssh -F /dev/null -v ... to force default values, maybe, or maybe not. |
| 15:12.13 | tobiasBora | jelly: what if you setup localhost in .ssh/config? |
| 15:13.26 | tobiasBora | jelly: well -F get rid of the config file, while my goal is precisely to use the config file to settup the auth |
| 15:13.31 | jelly | in any case, if you can't even show us your sshd_config on the debian side it's hard to help from debian side |
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| 15:14.51 | tobiasBora | jelly: Ok, I got it. |
| 15:15.07 | tobiasBora | The problem was that I needed to use PreferredAuthentications keyboard-interactive instead of PreferredAuthentications password |
| 15:15.20 | beepnboop- | ok i'm able to get live disk what do i need to do exactly to get grub from it? |
| 15:15.30 | beepnboop- | live disk of debian |
| 15:15.37 | greycat | !reinstall grub |
| 15:15.37 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html . Boot a CD like <grml>, mount your disk read/write, (mount boot partition into your / partition if applicable,) mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/device.map). Also ask me about <fixmbr> <rescue mode>. |
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| 15:16.14 | themill | amosbird: mostly, stretch just has slightly older versions of that compiler |
| 15:18.28 | amosbird | themill: oh, so what can I base |
| 15:19.50 | amosbird | bionic ? |
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| 15:23.47 | beepnboop- | these two links don't help me |
| 15:23.53 | beepnboop- | i need something simpler |
| 15:24.04 | beepnboop- | and theres nothing on yt either |
| 15:24.25 | greycat | Boot your rescue thing. Mount your root file system somewhere. Mount your /boot inside that if you have a /boot. Mount the /dev and /proc as shown in the factoid. Etc. |
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| 15:26.33 | beepnboop- | i'm booting graphical rescue |
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| 15:27.37 | han-solo | hello |
| 15:28.06 | han-solo | Is anybody experiencing frequent shutdowns in debian stretch ? |
| 15:28.39 | greycat | let me guess: ... you? |
| 15:29.03 | beepnboop- | i have a problem, it wants me to pick device to use as root file system |
| 15:29.08 | beepnboop- | but theres like 20 |
| 15:29.24 | edgeWr | I have installed debian 9.5 and after some struggles in the terminal wiht lvm and encryption i finally had xorg up and all (by default there were problems). But I cannot set resolution. Do you think this is my card (amd tahiti XT) or xorg conf? |
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| 15:30.22 | han-solo | greycat: other than me |
| 15:30.30 | han-solo | greycat: here's a bit of debug log |
| 15:30.38 | han-solo | http://ix.io/1kav |
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| 15:39.07 | edgeWr | how do i properly add oibaf's ppa to my system? (i have trust issues :() |
| 15:39.22 | edgeWr | gpg |
| 15:39.44 | petn-randall | !ppa |
| 15:39.44 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
| 15:39.49 | petn-randall | edgeWr: ^^^ |
| 15:39.55 | petn-randall | In short: You don't. :) |
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| 15:40.48 | edgeWr | can i compile them instead? |
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| 15:44.20 | Brigo | edgeWr, you can try, but why don't you install the drivers from debian? |
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| 15:45.41 | edgeWr | Brigo, i see- that seems like a solution. |
| 15:45.48 | edgeWr | will research |
| 15:46.52 | beepnboop- | ok i got grub but now i have new problem it doesn't detect the new windows installation |
| 15:47.19 | greycat | Make sure the os-prober package is installed. |
| 15:47.36 | beepnboop- | it shows windows 7 |
| 15:47.43 | beepnboop- | i just installed win 10 |
| 15:48.13 | beepnboop- | aka the old install |
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| 15:51.12 | beepnboop- | how do i make grub to detect the new os? |
| 15:51.59 | crackpotmark | How did you install win10? Or was it an upgrade? |
| 15:52.09 | crackpotmark | It may have just labelled it wrong |
| 15:54.43 | beepnboop- | uninstalled 7 then cleaned 10 off all the metro and the telemtry then installed 10 |
| 15:55.02 | greycat | If it just labels it wrong, but still boots, then don't worry. |
| 15:55.21 | beepnboop- | i just did sudo update-grub and it got rid of win7 |
| 15:55.34 | beepnboop- | but there i nothing else |
| 15:55.37 | beepnboop- | is |
| 15:55.41 | greycat | 11:47 greycat> Make sure the os-prober package is installed. |
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| 15:56.53 | beepnboop- | it is |
| 15:56.54 | edgeWr | Brigo, do you suggest to use stretch-backports? or buster |
| 15:57.35 | edgeWr | i guess 17.3.9 is a good enough minor release ;) |
| 15:57.45 | edgeWr | comparing to 18.1 |
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| 15:59.33 | beepnboop- | how do i make grub to detect new os? |
| 15:59.57 | greycat | Make sure os-prober is installed, and then run update-grub. |
| 16:00.16 | beepnboop- | it is installed |
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| 16:00.22 | beepnboop- | i did |
| 16:00.24 | ws2k3 | i have a debian machine that is not booting. i get error unknown filesystem. Entering rescue mode... i followed this guide in an attempt to fix it: vhttps://www.easytechguides.com/error-unknown-filesystem-grub-rescue.html but i get unknown filesystem at every device i tryed to boot a file cd and i can mount /dev/sda1 just fine. i also ran fsck on it. how should i proceed? |
| 16:00.28 | beepnboop- | it does nothing |
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| 16:00.50 | beepnboop- | os prober does absolutly nothing |
| 16:00.55 | Brigo | edgeWr, stretch-backport, not buster at least you know what you are doing. |
| 16:00.59 | jelly | ws2k3: what do the contents of that /dev/sda1 look like? |
| 16:01.45 | jelly | ws2k3: which debian release is this supposed to be and which grub version do you see at boot time? |
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| 16:02.49 | ws2k3 | jelly /dev/sda1 looks normal (/boot /home /etc and the rest) this is debian jessie. dont know which grub version exacly |
| 16:03.03 | Brigo | ws2k3, do you know which one is the root partition? |
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| 16:04.08 | Brigo | ws2k3, are you sure you are using jessie? |
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| 16:04.52 | ws2k3 | Brigo i dont know exacly which one is the root partition i am seeing (hd0) (hd0,msdos1) and (hd0,msdos5). and no correctie i run strech |
| 16:05.33 | ws2k3 | Brigo its a default debian install i didnt change anything about the default partition layout during the installation |
| 16:05.36 | beepnboop- | how do i make grub to detect new os? |
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| 16:07.47 | Brigo | beepnboop-, have you run update-grub already? |
| 16:08.00 | edgeWr | "libgl1-mesa-dri is already the newest version (13.0.6-1+b2)" but stretch-backport is what i have added and i did apt update |
| 16:08.12 | beepnboop- | Brigo, yes twice |
| 16:08.15 | Brigo | ,v libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 16:08.16 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on amd64 -- wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 13.0.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 13.0.6-1+b2; stretch-backports: 17.3.9-1~bpo9+1; buster: 18.1.5-1; sid: 18.1.5-1 |
| 16:08.22 | beepnboop- | and sudo os-prober twice |
| 16:08.22 | Brigo | beepnboop-, and what's the output? |
| 16:08.51 | beepnboop- | i have no way to post that here |
| 16:09.08 | Brigo | edgeWr, apt install libgl1-mesa-dri -t stretch-backports |
| 16:09.17 | beepnboop- | i dnot see window in it |
| 16:09.20 | beepnboop- | only linux |
| 16:09.27 | Brigo | beepnboop-, paste it in paste.debian.net |
| 16:10.26 | jelly | ws2k3: do you have console access to see which version of grub boots? |
| 16:11.09 | jelly | grub ought to show which version it was, on top above the menu |
| 16:11.19 | beepnboop- | paste.debian.net/hidden/2c307a3d/ |
| 16:12.00 | Brigo | beepnboop-, ok, and what should it find? |
| 16:12.08 | beepnboop- | windows? |
| 16:13.21 | beepnboop- | windows |
| 16:13.33 | ws2k3 | jelly yes i have console access |
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| 16:13.50 | edgeWr | Brigo, now i am happy like a pelican v: |
| 16:14.13 | Brigo | edgeWr, then it works? |
| 16:14.24 | ws2k3 | jelly i get grub unknown command if i enter grub uoght |
| 16:14.38 | Brigo | beepnboop-, how do you installed windows? and where? |
| 16:14.48 | edgeWr | will reboot for safety and see if my display and monitors work. i think so, at least im with the current stable version |
| 16:14.54 | edgeWr | it worked with ubuntu |
| 16:15.42 | jelly | ws2k3: I don't mean a shell, I mean can you see grub while the system is booting, before that unknown filesystem thing |
| 16:17.51 | beepnboop- | other drive |
| 16:17.54 | han-solo | weird, the last thing i see before the shutdown is some mouse input, and the mouse seems to be flickering at times |
| 16:19.47 | ws2k3 | jelly no i cant see which version of grub its boots to fast. but its the default version with strech(alle updates installed) |
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| 16:20.30 | beepnboop- | different hdd Brigo |
| 16:20.35 | Brigo | beepnboop-, try installing ntfs-3g package and then run os-probe again. |
| 16:20.40 | jelly | ws2k3: well I guess you can try reinstalling it |
| 16:20.49 | jelly | !reinstall grub |
| 16:20.49 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html . Boot a CD like <grml>, mount your disk read/write, (mount boot partition into your / partition if applicable,) mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/device.map). Also ask me about <fixmbr> <rescue mode>. |
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| 16:21.49 | Brigo | ws2k3, for reinstalling grub the netinstall is a good option, it as a rescue option in advance mode. |
| 16:22.22 | beepnboop- | already installed |
| 16:22.26 | beepnboop- | Brigo, |
| 16:22.56 | jelly | uh, netinstall is horrible as a rescue image but works if you don't have anything better |
| 16:23.31 | Brigo | beepnboop-, i think the problem is os-prober can't find windows, don't know why. |
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| 16:23.39 | Brigo | beepnboop-, sorry, i have to go. |
| 16:23.50 | jelly | but that doesn't matter, as ws2k3 says they've already booted something |
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| 16:24.42 | ws2k3 | jelly im now going to boot the grubrecover |
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| 16:25.39 | jelly | ws2k3: did you not already have some linux booted and /dev/sda1 fscked and mounted? |
| 16:26.22 | ws2k3 | jelly i booted a gparted livecd and ran a fsck on the /dev/sda1 and then tryed to mount it yeah and that worked fine |
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| 16:27.00 | ws2k3 | jelly what should i do/try in the grubrecover |
| 16:27.19 | jelly | I have no idea what "grubrecover" is. |
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| 16:27.55 | ws2k3 | !reinstall grub |
| 16:27.56 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html . Boot a CD like <grml>, mount your disk read/write, (mount boot partition into your / partition if applicable,) mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/device.map). Also ask me about <fixmbr> <rescue mode>. |
| 16:27.59 | jelly | mount /dev/sda1 somewhere, bind mount /dev and /proc and /sys into it, chroot into it, and run grub-install /dev/sda |
| 16:28.09 | jelly | roughly |
| 16:28.19 | jelly | that's pretty much what the bot says |
| 16:28.31 | edgeWr | i mean, i like commands and understanding manual approaches, but i cannot set my display (intel graphics are disabled) resolution without xrandr? |
| 16:28.38 | beepnboop- | how do i make grub to detect windows |
| 16:28.41 | edgeWr | maybe screens are not detected |
| 16:30.10 | greycat | edgeWr: install the non-free firmware, if that's missing |
| 16:31.19 | edgeWr | i had a quite minimal netinstall |
| 16:31.36 | edgeWr | i even unselected default desktop env |
| 16:31.48 | greycat | Good choice. |
| 16:33.37 | jelly | what is that fragrance, is that the anti-Gnome sentiment in the air |
| 16:34.07 | GNU\colossus | refreshing! |
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| 16:37.11 | beepnboop- | hello grub and os-prober don't detect my secondary os(windows) |
| 16:37.24 | ws2k3 | jelly i have now mount /dev/sda1 /mnt and done chroot /mnt and that worked. but how should i mount bind /dev and proc? |
| 16:38.23 | jelly | ws2k3: you have to do that before chroot, so exit the chroot shell |
| 16:39.20 | jelly | ws2k3: and for each of /dev, /proc and /sys, do something like: "mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev" and then chroot /mnt again |
| 16:40.13 | ws2k3 | jelly i did that and when i ran grub-install /dev/sda i got error:unknown filesystem |
| 16:40.57 | jelly | ws2k3: that's interesting. What does /boot/grub/device.map say? |
| 16:41.25 | jelly | (that's a file, pastebin its contents or show them here if it's just 1-2 lines) |
| 16:42.25 | jelly | ws2k3: also pastebin the contents of "blkid" and "lsblk" just for good measure |
| 16:42.35 | jelly | from inside the chroot if possible |
| 16:42.40 | mtn | beepnboop-: you can edit grub to make it boot windows. you can find howtos on the web |
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| 16:43.18 | jelly | beepnboop-: you think that's bad, ws2k3's grub does not detect the PRIMARY os! |
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| 16:44.19 | jelly | beepnboop-: dies your system boot with old BIOS/MBR system, or with UEFI? |
| 16:44.21 | no_gravity | Good Evening |
| 16:44.22 | no_gravity | asciiflow.com is super cool. I wonder if there is something like it but for utf-8. I guess one could make even better flowcharts with utf-8 signs. |
| 16:45.21 | ws2k3 | (hd0) dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC...... and here is a screenshot of blkid and lsblk : https://puu.sh/Be9ZQ/e10b61ea60.png |
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| 16:47.11 | jelly | ws2k3: the exact contents would be nice |
| 16:47.25 | jelly | and ls -la /dev/disk/by-id/ |
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| 16:48.24 | jelly | grub2 from stretch should be able to deal with ext4 |
| 16:48.38 | ws2k3 | jelly https://puu.sh/Bea66/a9bd1ce98d.png |
| 16:49.15 | jelly | but perhaps you or someone else has done something with that filesystem to add features that grub cannot deal with |
| 16:49.44 | jelly | ws2k3: and device.map? |
| 16:50.32 | ws2k3 | jelly what do you mean device.map? |
| 16:51.06 | jelly | can you show actual contents of /boot/grub/device.map, ws2k3 |
| 16:52.04 | beepnboop- | don't know |
| 16:52.22 | beepnboop- | mtn i did no effect |
| 16:52.23 | ws2k3 | jelly https://puu.sh/BeabK/bcbb290fdb.png |
| 16:52.43 | mtn | beepnboop-: are you sure windows is still there and bootable? |
| 16:52.51 | beepnboop- | yes |
| 16:53.07 | jelly | ws2k3: well that looks okay. |
| 16:53.15 | mtn | beepnboop-: maybe seek help in a windows channel to get your windows boot repaired |
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| 16:53.29 | beepnboop- | but it does boot |
| 16:53.37 | jelly | ws2k3: dpkg -l grub-pc|tail -n1 ... which version of package is it |
| 16:53.47 | mtn | beepnboop-: windows boot ok? |
| 16:53.52 | beepnboop- | yes |
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| 16:54.12 | mtn | beepnboop-: hmm. then what is the problem? seems like it works fine |
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| 16:54.28 | beepnboop- | its not showing in grub |
| 16:54.43 | ws2k3 | jelly https://puu.sh/Beafm/a59eedbe02.png |
| 16:54.47 | beepnboop- | it only boot when i directly boot into it |
| 16:54.48 | mtn | beepnboop-: why does it matter, if you can get everything to boot ok? |
| 16:54.50 | ws2k3 | jelly hmm my entire /var folder is gone |
| 16:55.20 | jelly | is that inside chroot |
| 16:55.31 | beepnboop- | does it sound normal to u that i need to enter bios every time i need to switch os? |
| 16:56.19 | ws2k3 | jelly how can i check if i am inside chroot |
| 16:56.26 | jelly | beepnboop-: if windows and linux are on separate disks, it ought to be enough to just enter the boot menu not bios |
| 16:56.35 | mtn | beepnboop-: in some cases, yes. sounds like a windows problem, mostly |
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| 16:56.58 | jelly | ws2k3: see if "df" shows the livecd stuff or not, I guess |
| 16:57.20 | jhutchins_wk | beepnboop-: Have you run update-grub? |
| 16:57.26 | ws2k3 | jelly no it doesnt show the livecd stuff so im in the chroot |
| 16:57.53 | beepnboop- | yea like 10 times |
| 16:58.31 | ws2k3 | jelly i dont know how but the entire /var folder is gone. does this mean the system is unsaveable? |
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| 16:59.47 | jelly | ws2k3: pretty much, but you can still save files from under your /home |
| 17:00.21 | jelly | ws2k3: some of those contents might be under /lost+found if you ran fsck and it did things |
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| 17:05.59 | jelly | ws2k3: it's not impossible to recover from loss of /var but it's going to be hard and likely with partial results. "If you value your data, make daily backups." |
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| 17:08.37 | beepnboop- | i'm not okay with this at all |
| 17:10.00 | DammitJim | is there a way to run a command (the command will require the user to enter a password) and then send that job to the background? |
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| 17:10.43 | greycat | See if this command has a special option to authenticate in the foreground and then self-background. ssh does, for example. |
| 17:11.04 | greycat | Otherwise, find a means other than terminal-interactive to authenticate. |
| 17:11.16 | DammitJim | no problem |
| 17:11.16 | greycat | Otherotherwise, run it inside tmux/screen and detach. |
| 17:11.17 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 17:11.36 | DammitJim | oh yeah, good 'ol tmux! |
| 17:11.38 | DammitJim | thanks |
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| 17:12.00 | DammitJim | I forgot that one can customize tmux!!! in a script of itself |
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| 17:13.55 | peterS | or, if this app has the ability to use an external password prompting mechanism like ssh-askpass |
| 17:13.55 | ws2k3 | jelly okay thanks for ur time its appriciated |
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| 17:15.41 | greycat | yeah, I include GUI popups under "means other than terminal-interactive" |
| 17:16.24 | greycat | in short, absolutely every answer we can give 100% depends on the program in question |
| 17:18.02 | crackpotmark | Filesystem needs to be mounted to be detected by grub right? |
| 17:18.24 | greycat | generally not |
| 17:18.37 | greycat | Mine detects the win7 partitions and they aren't mounted. |
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| 17:18.53 | crackpotmark | Fair enough, just a random idea |
| 17:19.15 | crackpotmark | Tbh, I'd just write a grub manually at this point :p |
| 17:20.41 | greycat | if this is for beepnboop-, yes, writing an /etc/grub.d/99_custom entry is not a bad answer until the underlying issues can be solved |
| 17:21.01 | crackpotmark | Yeah it was his issue I was pondering |
| 17:21.26 | greycat | or, editing /etc/grub.d/40_custom ... I'm not sure how this works |
| 17:21.33 | crackpotmark | Beepnboop, can you run update-grub with - v and post the output? |
| 17:22.00 | beepnboop- | i did that greycat |
| 17:22.43 | beepnboop- | looks like i need to reinstall debian to solve this |
| 17:22.47 | beepnboop- | fuck that |
| 17:23.21 | greycat | after editing files in /etc/grub.d/ you run update-grub again, and it puts your changes in the generated grub.cfg file |
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| 17:24.54 | crackpotmark | Wait.... You installed Windows on another drive? |
| 17:25.00 | crackpotmark | How did that break grub? |
| 17:25.12 | crackpotmark | It shouldnt need changing |
| 17:25.21 | greycat | I assumed he only has one drive. |
| 17:25.38 | crackpotmark | No he said a second hdd at some point |
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| 17:27.09 | crackpotmark | Does grub check other hdds by default? I've not used a second boot drive before |
| 17:27.15 | RoyK | crackpotmark: windows always installs its crappy bootloader on drive #1 |
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| 17:28.02 | ESphynx | hi guys, what would be the recommended way to turn off the backlight of my kb (asus g703gm)? |
| 17:28.14 | crackpotmark | Best to unplug other drives. That's how I do installs |
| 17:28.38 | crackpotmark | Windows had an annoying habit of sticking it's reserved partition on other drives |
| 17:28.49 | RoyK | ESphynx: no idea, but probbly controllable from somewhere inside /sys |
| 17:31.21 | ESphynx | RoyK: I would hope so :S any suggestion on how I coudl figure that out? |
| 17:32.28 | RoyK | ESphynx: ~ $ ls /sys/devices/platform/asus-nb-wmi/ |
| 17:32.29 | ESphynx | it's not this back/light/acpi_video0, is it? |
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| 17:32.37 | RoyK | first hit on google for me |
| 17:33.24 | ESphynx | RoyK: that has cpufv, driver (symlink), driver_override, hwmon(dir), input(dir), modalias, power(dir), subsystem (symlink), uevent |
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| 17:33.44 | RoyK | ESphynx: sorry - I don't have such a machine |
| 17:34.02 | ESphynx | i realize that :P thanks for trying to help ;) |
| 17:34.55 | dtux | hello, i just copied my ~/.gnupg to a new (CentOS 7) host, and now it tells me my passphrase is invalid. any idea what's going on?+ |
| 17:35.14 | greycat | ask a centos channel? |
| 17:35.24 | dtux | greycat: ok |
| 17:36.30 | n4dir | someone can quickly tell me how to get rid of the "ALSAStutterDefeat" warning of mocp, the music player? I can't find the mentioned setting. |
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| 17:37.24 | beepnboop- | can i install stuff to different drives? |
| 17:38.09 | mtn | beepnboop-: define "stuff" |
| 17:38.28 | beepnboop- | software |
| 17:38.36 | beepnboop- | that isnt os |
| 17:38.43 | mtn | beepnboop-: software is installed to your / partition |
| 17:40.12 | beepnboop- | everything is installed to my os |
| 17:40.40 | beepnboop- | my os drive is small and i don't want it to get full |
| 17:41.10 | beepnboop- | i have 20 tb on the other drives but i cant get them to be used |
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| 17:41.46 | mtn | beepnboop-: how big is your / partition? |
| 17:42.20 | n4dir | beepnboop-: you can make certain parts of the filesystem be on different drives by /etc/fstab. for example /usr comes to mind. The debian installer offers that option (for example) |
| 17:42.33 | n4dir | i dont know much more though, but it sure ain't hard. |
| 17:43.14 | n4dir | i don't think that in debian, or linux in general, there is a clear line between the OS and third party software (as it is for the BSD systems, for example) |
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| 17:43.22 | greycat | To use other drives in unix, you create file systems on them, decide where to mount them, and mount them. |
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| 17:44.40 | beepnboop- | how do i check that mtn |
| 17:45.03 | beepnboop- | the os drive is 512gb |
| 17:45.06 | greycat | df, fdisk -l, etc. |
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| 17:46.39 | n4dir | beepnboop-: 512 gigabyte is way more than sufficient for the OS and all software you might want to install. As far data are concerned: thats a different question (it depends) |
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| 17:47.19 | beepnboop- | 512 is nothing |
| 17:47.42 | beepnboop- | i have 45tb in total |
| 17:47.42 | n4dir | bullshit. Most of my / partitions are less than 20 gigs. |
| 17:47.44 | mtn | I am sure it is "something" |
| 17:48.59 | greycat | The system I'm on now has a single 256 GB SSD, and no more. |
| 17:49.26 | n4dir | and that includes data (well: i guess) |
| 17:49.30 | greycat | I shrunk one of the Windows 7 partitions to make some room to install Debian. |
| 17:52.30 | han-solo | beepnboop-: what do you do ? |
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| 17:54.29 | annadane | i mean it depends on how many backup mediums you have and whether you want to store everything on your actual computer |
| 17:54.37 | annadane | obviously actual debian software takes up minimal space |
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| 17:55.49 | annadane | would love to have petabytes of storage lying around with redundancy in case of failure but sadly doesn't |
| 17:56.25 | han-solo | wonders why not leverage cloud |
| 17:58.05 | n4dir | perhaps he ran into "leaving the cloud" at the debian wiki ... |
| 17:58.38 | annadane | to me it's never been a question of whether debian can fit it's all my other files |
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| 17:59.07 | annadane | and it would suck to have it backed up to an external drive and have that catastrophically fail one day |
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| 18:01.08 | beepnboop- | han-solo, #datahoarder |
| 18:01.30 | annadane | and i'd use the cloud if i could assure myself it's in any way trustworthy |
| 18:01.33 | beepnboop- | anyway since there are more people now maybe they can help |
| 18:01.57 | n4dir | beepnboop-: your question was already anwered by greycat |
| 18:02.22 | beepnboop- | hello grub and os-prober don't detect my secondary os(windows), tried grub-update, add lines in grub-custom file, tried reinstalling grub gain |
| 18:02.24 | annadane | sorry, i'm not even really following the discussion, i sort of hijacked it for my own purposes |
| 18:02.38 | beepnboop- | not it wasn't n4dir |
| 18:02.46 | n4dir | (07:43:19 PM) greycat: To use other drives in unix, you create file systems on them, decide where to mount them, and mount them. |
| 18:03.00 | beepnboop- | different question |
| 18:03.18 | beepnboop- | again* |
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| 18:08.05 | laoshanlungo | hey there, i screwed up my package management and dependencies and need help. I tried to instlal an autoclicker and now, i cant seem to install / uninstall stuff via apt-get |
| 18:08.43 | laoshanlungo | when i did apt-get remove, i appaerently uninstalled my DM and now im stuck in recovery mode, not being able to uninstall anything since theres always "dependencies" that arent fullfilled |
| 18:08.45 | han-solo | laoshanlungo: What is the error ? some Pastebin ? |
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| 18:09.33 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 18:09.34 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 18:09.48 | petn-randall | laoshanlungo: Can you provide *ALL* of the above in a single paste? ^^^ |
| 18:10.06 | laoshanlungo | i would like to but since im stuck in recovery mode ic ant copy paste |
| 18:10.12 | laoshanlungo | any ideas? |
| 18:10.27 | greycat | get out of recovery mode |
| 18:11.08 | annadane | also it depends how you installed "an autoclicker" |
| 18:11.16 | annadane | but sure !bat is probably a good start |
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| 18:13.21 | laoshanlungo | i cant get out of recovery mode since i removed my DM |
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| 18:13.38 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 18:14.13 | petn-randall | laoshanlungo: You can log in though. And you can either use pastebinit, or screenshot it with your smartphone. |
| 18:14.22 | petn-randall | !pastebinit |
| 18:14.22 | dpkg | A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 18:14.54 | n4dir | laoshanlungo: you could redirect the output of the mentioned commands to a file, then use pastebinit. If you can't install it you could use sprunge.us (assuming curl is installed. If it isn't either, i am lost too) |
| 18:15.16 | Azrael_- | i've got some old legacy systems with debian 6 where the time doesn't fit any more. although the timezone is "europe/berlin" it is still "21:14" on the server instead of "20:14". can you give me a hint how to fix this (without upgrading the system)? |
| 18:15.20 | laoshanlungo | fun fact, i cant install stuff so i cant use pastebinit, ill try to take pictures with my phone |
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| 18:15.37 | han-solo | curl -n -F 'f:1=<-' http://ix.io < file |
| 18:15.46 | petn-randall | Azrael_-: Is it a VM? And does it get the time from somewhere besides the system clock? |
| 18:15.55 | n4dir | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.40 | han-solo | n4dir: sprunge won't work |
| 18:16.42 | laoshanlungo | also, the whole information is in german |
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| 18:16.45 | petn-randall | laoshanlungo: If you have curl, the above commands might help. |
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| 18:16.47 | greycat | I'm betting "I installed an autoclicker ... from an outside web site ... it said ubuntu on it ... that is close enough, right? ... it also said ppa" |
| 18:16.49 | petn-randall | !localized errors |
| 18:16.50 | dpkg | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
| 18:16.52 | n4dir | han-solo: why? |
| 18:16.53 | petn-randall | laoshanlungo: ^^^ |
| 18:16.59 | Azrael_- | petn-randall: it is getting the time from ntp |
| 18:17.09 | han-solo | n4dir: try it |
| 18:17.15 | petn-randall | Azrael_-: What does `ntpq -p` output for you? |
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| 18:17.37 | Azrael_- | "ntpq: read: Connection refused" <-- |
| 18:17.41 | greycat | petn-randall: if the time is off by 1 hour, I suspect an outdated time zone definition before ntp failure |
| 18:17.58 | greycat | although in this case, clearly ntp is not running in any kind of default mode |
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| 18:18.12 | Azrael_- | greycat: could easily be. hints for me? |
| 18:18.20 | petn-randall | Azrael_-: As root? Sounds like ntpd is not working. |
| 18:18.25 | Azrael_- | yes, root |
| 18:18.28 | greycat | I have no idea when Germany last changed their time zone definition. |
| 18:18.42 | petn-randall | They haven't since the 70s, I think. |
| 18:18.55 | petn-randall | It's been the same dates every year for decades. |
| 18:18.57 | laoshanlungo | i just realized since im stuck without a DM im not automatically connecte to the wifi anymore petn-randall |
| 18:19.15 | laoshanlungo | which doesnt solve my dependency issue but if i reconnect i might be able to install gdm3 |
| 18:19.22 | petn-randall | laoshanlungo: Then take pictures with your smartphone and upload them to some picsite. |
| 18:19.25 | petn-randall | !paste |
| 18:19.25 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 18:19.39 | petn-randall | laoshanlungo: ^^^ picpaste.com should work, I assume. |
| 18:20.39 | greycat | Azrael_-: you claimed ntp is running. Be more precise. What does "ps auxw | grep ntp" tell you? WHICH ntp program do you believe is running? Is it chrony or openntpd or systemd-timesyncd instead? |
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| 18:22.33 | Azrael_- | greycat: https://pastebin.com/F8nEkBv0 |
| 18:22.51 | Azrael_- | just realized the problem was on 2 of those old servers. ntp seemed to have problems on the one i just tried |
| 18:23.51 | greycat | Azrael_-: this is ntpq -p output, yes? You just started ntp, and it was not running previously? If the clock is far off and you try to start ntp, nothing will happen. You will have to reboot. |
| 18:24.28 | greycat | At least with the default configuration, which you shouldn't be changing. |
| 18:24.39 | Azrael_- | greycat: the output i gave you is on the server which is/was running the whole time |
| 18:24.55 | greycat | Azrael_-: is something blocking the NTP ports? |
| 18:25.14 | n4dir | for what reason ever sometimes ntp fails for me, and i have to set the time manually (including hwclock), which usually works Azrael_- https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-set-date-time-from-linux-command-prompt/ |
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| 18:27.47 | Azrael_- | that's quite strange. on the server where ntp didn't run, ntp failed to start once, now it works and the time is correct again |
| 18:28.16 | greycat | those sources showing .INIT. and stratum 16 look like a Problem to me |
| 18:30.09 | Azrael_- | after restarting ntp the output of "ntpq -p" changed: https://pastebin.com/U999gb4U |
| 18:30.44 | greycat | still st 16, .INIT. which means it hasn't stabilized yet |
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| 18:31.01 | greycat | give it a minute or three |
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| 18:31.50 | Azrael_- | ok |
| 18:33.01 | zerocool | hey guys, i pulled latest kernel from stretch-backports and it was saying something about apparmor being enabled... i am having some goofy issues with a libvirt vm but it's network related, as if the vm is behind a firewall |
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| 18:33.08 | laoshanlungo | okay i managed to get the output of apt-get update now, the link is https://paste.pics/a16e05889da125580310 |
| 18:33.28 | Azrael_- | the other server has stabilized now. just the one where ntp seemed to run all the time hasn't stabilized yet :( |
| 18:33.29 | zerocool | apparmor only deals with local files right, not how host communicates on a network, right? |
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| 18:33.38 | zerocool | guest8 |
| 18:33.40 | zerocool | guest( |
| 18:33.42 | zerocool | guest* |
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| 18:34.20 | beepnboop- | so why is my question being ignored? |
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| 18:35.17 | n4dir | laoshanlungo: "page not found". perhaps a typo? |
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| 18:36.50 | laoshanlungo | my bad sorry, this oen works https://paste.pics/3KJOU |
| 18:43.54 | n4dir | laoshanlungo: i lack the wrong terms right now, but the problem is that deb.debian.org and none of the other repo-sources can't be found. |
| 18:44.10 | n4dir | either no internet connection or something is screwed with the DNS system. |
| 18:44.54 | greycat | trouble-shooting steps: ping 8.8.8.8; ls -ld /etc/resolv.conf; cat /etc/resolv.conf; etc. |
| 18:45.39 | Azrael_- | greycat: the output of "ntpq -p" is still the same :( |
| 18:46.02 | n4dir | laoshanlungo: on another note: you really don't want to add all kind of repos, and mainly not ubuntu ppa's (assuming i am not too tired to fully understand the output ... ) |
| 18:46.17 | greycat | Is something blocking the NTP ports (they are UDP, not TCP) at a firewall level? |
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| 18:47.37 | Azrael_- | greatgatsby: no, nothing is blocking the ports. ntpd is listening just fine on port 123 |
| 18:48.02 | greycat | But can it *send* to the other servers on THEIR port 123? |
| 18:48.31 | greycat | And get back the response packets? |
| 18:48.49 | Azrael_- | tested it with "ntpdate -s <one of those servers>" and got a proper response |
| 18:49.07 | greycat | look for logs, then, and pray there is a useful error message somewhere |
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| 18:54.20 | Azrael_- | error messages is non existant. if i would judge it by the logs everything worked just PERFECT! :( |
| 18:54.42 | greycat | yeah, that has been my experience with ntp in the past as well -- nothing useful in logs when it isn't working |
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| 18:54.59 | greycat | may be web-searchin' time |
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| 18:55.09 | Azrael_- | ok, thanks for the help so far! |
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| 19:00.25 | laoshanlungo | sorry n4dir had to run for the market. what do you reckon i do now? |
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| 19:04.09 | greycat | make your networking work |
| 19:04.27 | n4dir | gotta run, but you are in good hands. good luck |
| 19:05.39 | n4dir | ups: last note: with such a !frankendebian i would probably reinstall and never ever add all kind of repos again. really gotta run, sorry |
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| 19:10.56 | useless-eater | Hello, I got debian testing running, and upgraded kernel some days ago, and now it will not boot. seems to be related to cryptsetup or something. Used debian installer and installed with pretty much default settings choosing encrypted lvm |
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| 19:12.18 | useless-eater | booting the older kernel without problems, but the new 4.17.0-1-amd64 does not boot correctly. Guess its a known issue? |
| 19:12.38 | jim | hi, question from ##linux came up about how to install a debian with specific packages and specific configurations... I mentioned preseeding and had him come here... he just joined, could someone supply the link for introductory info on preseeding? |
| 19:13.56 | jim | I don't know what his requirements are, but he did mention something about virtualization |
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| 19:15.04 | jim | bipul, why don't you explain the details of what you want to do |
| 19:15.21 | bipul | jim, sure, |
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| 19:16.38 | laoshanlungo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.43 | laoshanlungo | i only have an external harddrive |
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| 19:17.01 | bipul | First i would like to choose, the hypervisor which is easy to do automation(for creating VM's) and deploying NIC and web server at POST installation. |
| 19:17.25 | useless-eater | bipul: try proxmox. its pretty awesome |
| 19:17.34 | useless-eater | even for large businesses |
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| 19:17.45 | bipul | So that i could built a 3 different networks with automation. |
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| 19:17.57 | no_gravity | When you output color codes to the terminal, how do you reset the color afterwards? |
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| 19:17.58 | greycat | tput sgr0 |
| 19:18.01 | greycat | ... wrong channel |
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| 19:18.03 | bipul | The main objective is to study the Netfilter |
| 19:18.08 | greycat | and stop cross-posting |
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| 19:18.47 | bipul | useless-eater, sure :) |
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| 19:20.46 | jim | laoshanlungo, how does the external drive connect to your computer? |
| 19:22.06 | jim | laoshanlungo, also, do you have a usb memory stick? could be as small as 500 mb |
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| 19:24.51 | DoomPatrol | i'm using a tls cert to validate a custom repo. the tls certs are (under wheezy) read/writable by root. under stretch it drops privs to a apt user. are there a set of perms i can set to the files that would be more appropriate? |
| 19:26.39 | DoomPatrol | erm, in that when i try to set perms to the tls cert in stretch to root, apt complains that it can't read the files and thus be able to pull from the custom repo |
| 19:26.58 | DoomPatrol | be unable to pull from custom repo* |
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| 19:29.28 | laoshanlungo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.33 | laoshanlungo | but so far all the images seemed to exceed 4 gb |
| 19:29.38 | laoshanlungo | id like to install windows before linux aswell |
| 19:29.40 | laoshanlungo | so i can dualboot |
| 19:29.52 | laoshanlungo | last time i did it the other way around and fucked up my bootloader |
| 19:30.20 | greycat | you can reinstall grub after that, but it *is* easier just to install windows first, if you're starting from a blank drive |
| 19:30.25 | DoomPatrol | ^ |
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| 19:35.53 | Peyam | hi sup? |
| 19:36.00 | Peyam | I tried to install foxit reader |
| 19:36.04 | Peyam | but it wont launch |
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| 19:36.17 | Peyam | I may need to install come dependencies |
| 19:36.21 | Peyam | anybod yknows? |
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| 19:38.56 | jim | laoshanlungo, the debian netinstall is under 1/2 gig |
| 19:39.48 | jim | if you can boot from usb and have a supported net, you can install that way... if you don't you can still install the base and try to get networking going |
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| 19:41.54 | jim | Peyam, how did you install it |
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| 19:42.44 | Peyam | I downloaded from their website and did a ./foxit....run |
| 19:43.01 | Peyam | and it was installed on opt in /home/username/ |
| 19:43.32 | greycat | ... I can't even figure out how to parse that sentence. Is it in /opt or is it in $HOME? |
| 19:43.33 | jim | where exactly was it installed? |
| 19:43.55 | Peyam | ffe |
| 19:44.00 | Peyam | in /home/maroufi/opt/ |
| 19:44.19 | greycat | how unique. |
| 19:44.28 | jim | ok, does that machine have net, and have the executable nc? |
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| 19:45.37 | Peyam | greycat, the installer make a folder called /opt/ I think that is odd too |
| 19:45.47 | Peyam | jim, you asking me? yes |
| 19:46.19 | greycat | /opt is a standard directory that should have been there forever |
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| 19:46.34 | jim | ok, could you try: ls -CFR /home/maroufi/opt/ | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 19:47.25 | Peyam | that is made in QT I see |
| 19:47.26 | novilog | Day 3 of trying to create a persistent debian live USB; I create the live USB with a 9.5.0 live image and dd. Do a test boot to make sure it works, everything is good. Then I add a second partition (ext4) to the USB, test boot again, everything is good. Then I set the label of the second partition to persistence, create a persistence.conf containing "/ union", and append the persistence kernel boot |
| 19:47.30 | Peyam | hate that qt |
| 19:47.32 | novilog | parameter at the boot time menu. All of a sudden, the boot process starts hanging at Started update to UTMP. Booting again with the nopersistence flag set does not resolve the issue. Removing the persistence partition does not resolve the issue. The only thing that fixes it is totally re-installing the live image. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 19:48.05 | Peyam | jim, http://termbin.com/ou9t |
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| 19:48.56 | skapata | [Debian Buster] How can I disable fade in/volume increase audio effect? Everytime any application emits sound, the volume starts from zero instead of starting from the volume I've set in the volume manager. |
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| 19:50.35 | novilog | skapata: Are you using ALSA directly? Or are you using the default PULSE driver? |
| 19:53.23 | Peyam | jim, you saw the link I gave you |
| 19:53.34 | jim | yep I got it |
| 19:53.51 | jim | and I looked carefully, I can't see a way to start it |
| 19:54.25 | jim | greycat, what do you think, did you see it? |
| 19:54.45 | Peyam | I think there are some dependencies not installed |
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| 19:55.08 | jim | does it say it needs something? |
| 19:55.10 | skapata | I don't know how to discover it, perhaps the Debian Buster default. |
| 19:56.53 | Peyam | no |
| 19:57.11 | Peyam | okey. but do you know any oder pdf ready that you can comment on? |
| 19:57.18 | Peyam | writing comments on a pdf file I mean |
| 19:57.28 | jhutchins_wk | opt/foxitsoftware/foxitreader/welcome: |
| 19:57.31 | jhutchins_wk | images/ proceed.html |
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| 19:57.36 | jhutchins_wk | Sry. |
| 19:57.52 | ESphynx | hi guys, what's the best way to upgrade my kernel to 4.12 on Debian 9? |
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| 19:58.01 | novilog | skapata: You'd know if you were using ALSA directly. So the answer is Pulse -- this is a known issue with older versions of Pulse. Since you're in testing, I'm not sure what's at play there. You could look into disabling pulseaudio and using ALSA directly -- this seems to be the solution on other distributions. |
| 19:58.23 | laoshanlungo | ok so can i install debian via net when only using wifi? so far i always had to install the wifi drivers after installing it |
| 19:58.40 | jhutchins_wk | Peyam: You could look at /opt/foxitsoftware/foxitreader/welcome/proceed.html and see what it says. |
| 19:58.41 | skapata | Ok, thank you. |
| 19:59.00 | Peyam | jhutchins_wk, thanks |
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| 20:00.26 | jhutchins_wk | Peyam: Also opt/foxitsoftware/foxitreader: |
| 20:00.31 | jhutchins_wk | Activation* |
| 20:00.40 | novilog | laoshanlungo: If you're asking if you can use the netinstall CD when you're connected to the internet via wifi, then the answer is yes. |
| 20:01.32 | laoshanlungo | novilog im asking if i can use a netinstall usb stick to install debian |
| 20:01.32 | jhutchins_wk | Peyam: There are several decent PDF readers available in Linux/Debian and I believe you can actually install the Adobe reader. |
| 20:01.38 | laoshanlungo | when i only have wifi available |
| 20:01.48 | Trel | What would be the path for the system-wide (or fallback) xinitrc? |
| 20:02.08 | novilog | laoshanlungo: Yes. The live image included in the install CD should have network tools installed already. |
| 20:02.09 | jhutchins_wk | !netinstall |
| 20:02.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 20:03.11 | jhutchins_wk | laoshanlungo: Yes, you can install at least a basic system that you can then install the wireless drivers to. Debian has native support for many wifi chipsets, so you may be able to do a full install. |
| 20:03.33 | jhutchins_wk | Trel: I'm not sure there is one. |
| 20:03.48 | laoshanlungo | i know this might be the wrong place, but is there an option like this for windows too? i want to dualboot |
| 20:04.08 | Trel | jhutchins_wk: I thought there was one that gets read in the event that there's not a .xinitrc present in the user's home? |
| 20:04.29 | greycat | Trel: https://wiki.debian.org/Xsession |
| 20:04.50 | novilog | Trel: The short of it is /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc |
| 20:04.54 | novilog | That's system-wide. |
| 20:05.38 | jhutchins_wk | laoshanlungo: Dual boot capability has been part of Linux since the earliest days. Install windows first. |
| 20:05.44 | Peyam | are you sure you can install acrobat reader in debian? |
| 20:05.56 | greycat | acrobat reader still exists?! |
| 20:06.03 | novilog | greycat: Lol |
| 20:06.32 | novilog | Peyam: Can you? Yes. Is it wise? Probably not. |
| 20:06.33 | laoshanlungo | yes, i want to do that, but i still dont have an usb stick bigger than 2gb and was wondering if i can net install windows aswell |
| 20:06.51 | greycat | ... what |
| 20:06.56 | novilog | !wine |
| 20:06.56 | dpkg | wine is probably ine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ .https://wiki.debian.org/Wine http://wiki.winehq.org/HowTo http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See also <newer wine>. |
| 20:08.14 | jhutchins_wk | Peyam: There's an old version you can install but it's no longer supported. |
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| 20:09.00 | jhutchins_wk | Peyam: https://www.linux.com/news/3-alternatives-adobe-pdf-reader-linux |
| 20:09.03 | Trel | novilog: that's what I was looking for then, thanks. |
| 20:09.29 | Trel | Trying to copy one to use as a template for something, I figure the one that gets used if I have none is a good as a place as any to start |
| 20:09.54 | Peyam | I have evince but I can not add comments and stuff |
| 20:10.03 | novilog | Trel: Good thinking. |
| 20:10.37 | jhutchins_wk | Peyam: That's the whole idea of a PDF. |
| 20:10.42 | novilog | laoshanlungo: I'm not sure what you're planning to do with Windows, but it sounds like the better option for you might be to install linux, then install oracle virtualbox and create a windows VM. |
| 20:10.52 | Peyam | jhutchins_wk, I want to be able to write comments |
| 20:10.57 | jhutchins_wk | Peyam: You're not supposed to try to edit it, you're supposed to edit the original. |
| 20:10.58 | laoshanlungo | good idea novilog |
| 20:11.24 | Peyam | jhutchins_wk, I understand |
| 20:11.36 | laoshanlungo | you think debian is a good entrypoint for someone only intermediately advanced in linux |
| 20:11.43 | jhutchins_wk | Peyam: Since foxit is a commercial product, you should ask them for support. |
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| 20:11.57 | jhutchins_wk | Peyam: They may have troubleshooting or installation instructions. |
| 20:12.16 | Peyam | in the middle of night :D |
| 20:12.18 | novilog | laoshanlungo: It can be if you install it with a graphical front, like GNOME. If you're truly a linux newbie, I would recommend Ubuntu instead. |
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| 20:14.58 | laoshanlungo | nah im not a newbie, i have some basic understanding, last time i installed it i just somehow butchered the setup and ended up having to su before i use commands and with a way too small /home archive |
| 20:15.02 | novilog | greycat: Did you happen to see my question earlier? I'm trying to figure out live USBs with persistence and it's really kicking my phanny |
| 20:15.09 | laoshanlungo | any links to where i can ge ta net installer novilog? |
| 20:15.47 | novilog | !debian |
| 20:15.48 | dpkg | [debian] http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 20:16.25 | greycat | !firmware installer |
| 20:16.25 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 20:16.33 | greycat | bah |
| 20:16.35 | greycat | !firmware images |
| 20:16.36 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 20:16.39 | greycat | that one. |
| 20:17.04 | novilog | greycat: Was that directed toward me? |
| 20:17.31 | Peyam | is there a way to install all needed dependencies ? |
| 20:17.34 | greycat | were you the one asking where to get the net install? |
| 20:17.35 | Peyam | for the whole system? |
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| 20:18.36 | novilog | greycat: No; fair point; I'm dumb. |
| 20:21.59 | jhutchins_wk | Peyam: Dependencies for what? |
| 20:22.10 | Peyam | foxit Reader |
| 20:22.35 | jhutchins_wk | Peyam: We don't know, we don't know what the dependencies are. Again, you would have to ask them. |
| 20:23.02 | Peyam | why isn't foxit present in Synaptic when it is installed? |
| 20:23.19 | greycat | Because it is not part of Debian, and you did not install it as a Debian package. |
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| 20:23.37 | jhutchins_wk | Peyam: https://itsfoss.com/pdf-editors-linux/ |
| 20:23.51 | novilog | Oh, you installed it outside of the package manager? |
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| 20:24.04 | jhutchins_wk | Peyam: There are lots of different kinds of PDFs. Some are just a single graphical image of the text. |
| 20:24.06 | Peyam | jhutchins_wk, man! I have seen those. Foxit is what I need |
| 20:24.17 | jhutchins_wk | Peyam: Those really aren't editable. |
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| 20:24.46 | Peyam | what is no editible |
| 20:26.00 | Peyam | do you knwo what I mean by writting comments? |
| 20:26.38 | jhutchins_wk | Peyam: https://www.ubuntupit.com/linux-pdf-editor-top-15-reviewed-and-compared/ < fifteen alternatives. Surely one will do what you want. |
| 20:27.53 | novilog | Making a live USB with debian 9.5.0. Boots fine before I try to boot with the persistence flag, but after booting hangs, and booting with nopersistence does not resolve it, nor does removing the persistence partition. Not sure why it's hanging, are there issues with the persistence partition being on the same device you're booting live from? Also, are the changes made at the boot menu by pressing tab |
| 20:27.59 | novilog | saved? Should I be using e instead to boot with custom parameters? |
| 20:28.42 | jhutchins_wk | novilog: What procedure are you following? What guide? |
| 20:28.49 | jhutchins_wk | !live |
| 20:28.49 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. See also <live firmware>. For Debian 8 "Jessie", you CANNOT install in <UEFI> mode from a Debian Live image. See <live stretch>. |
| 20:29.01 | Peyam | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mtmrw9vzrp/ |
| 20:29.13 | jhutchins_wk | novilog: There's a lot of useful information at pendrivelinux.com as well. |
| 20:31.00 | Peyam | no it works |
| 20:31.05 | Peyam | sudo apt install libssl1.0-dev |
| 20:31.09 | Peyam | that was the solution |
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| 20:32.20 | novilog | jhutchins_wk: No guide. I'm using a debian 9.5.0 live image with nonfree firmware included. I write it to the USB as usual with dd and everything boots fine. For the persistence part I'm using a partition the size of the remaining device capacity, setting the label to persistence with tune2fs, creating a persistence.conf with "/ union", and appending the boot flag "persistence" at the boot menu |
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| 20:37.00 | novilog | According to the documentation on debian live, there are supposed to be 3 ways to indicate a persistent partition to the kernel -- with a gpt name, a filesystem label, or an image file. I'm attempting to use the filesystem label method. |
| 20:38.19 | Peyam | jhutchins_wk, I found the solution. what's your comment on that? |
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| 20:45.19 | novilog | jhutchins_wk: Was I supposed to surmise from that that I am asking in the wrong irc? Hard to tell what your intention was, since you stopped responding... |
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| 20:52.21 | Bundestrojaner | good evening. I'm installing debian stable at a very old pc (amd 64 x2, nvidia 7600gt). at first boot, kde started succesfull but graphic artifacts occured. |
| 20:52.22 | Bundestrojaner | I've installed nvidia-340.102 as described in https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#stretch-340xx . |
| 20:52.22 | Bundestrojaner | Rebooting ended in terminal one, syslog says "display server failed to start. Exiting" |
| 20:53.21 | Brigo | Bundestrojaner, what's the output of nvidia-detect? |
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| 20:55.36 | Bundestrojaner | Brigo: thx... |
| 20:55.36 | Bundestrojaner | it says i've installed the wrong driver *facepalm* |
| 20:55.45 | Bundestrojaner | i need 304 |
| 20:56.01 | Brigo | Bundestrojaner, you are welcome :) |
| 20:56.11 | jhutchins_wk | Peyam: Great. |
| 20:56.11 | Brigo | Bundestrojaner, have to go, good luch. |
| 20:56.19 | jhutchins_wk | Peyam: You might want to try some of the others as well. |
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| 20:56.50 | subz3r0 | hi |
| 20:57.17 | jhutchins_wk | Peyam: You will probably find that some PDFs are not editable. |
| 20:57.25 | subz3r0 | what should be the correct user.group for /var/spool/exim4/input |
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| 20:58.30 | jhutchins_wk | subz3r0: I have Debian-exim:Debian-exim on Stretch. |
| 20:58.46 | subz3r0 | because im getting this: exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog |
| 20:59.11 | subz3r0 | Failed to create spool file /var/spool/exim4//input//1f.... Permissio denied |
| 21:00.20 | subz3r0 | hmm weird |
| 21:00.25 | subz3r0 | 401971 4.0K drwxr-x--- 2 Debian-exim Debian-exim 4.0K Aug 14 06:25 input |
| 21:00.27 | subz3r0 | should be fine |
| 21:00.28 | subz3r0 | any ideas? |
| 21:02.04 | jhutchins_wk | Existing/locked file, write lock by dead process. Restart exim. |
| 21:03.08 | subz3r0 | jhutchins_wk: i already rebooted that machine |
| 21:03.10 | jhutchins_wk | Peyam: You don't get automatic dependency resolution from non-deb installs, but you apparently figured it out. |
| 21:04.15 | jhutchins_wk | subz3r0: Paste the error into google. |
| 21:04.32 | subz3r0 | jhutchins_wk: already did that |
| 21:04.47 | subz3r0 | could it be that i get the mails again and again because i did not clean the paniclog? |
| 21:05.05 | subz3r0 | coze it says it hasnt zero size |
| 21:05.13 | jhutchins_wk | I suppose, I have't had to mess with exim in a while. |
| 21:05.27 | jhutchins_wk | subz3r0: Does exim start? |
| 21:05.35 | subz3r0 | yeah without issues |
| 21:05.45 | jhutchins_wk | subz3r0: THat's just the error when you try to send? |
| 21:06.03 | subz3r0 | sadly i needed to restore the machine via rsync. and somehow the user.group was incorrect for that directory |
| 21:06.47 | subz3r0 | jhutchins_wk: no, i fixed the user.group and then tried to send a mail to root again... without any issues. but still getting this emails that it was not possible to create the spool files |
| 21:07.13 | subz3r0 | i just rebooted the machine and cleaned the paniclog before. let's see if i still get thos mails about wrong permissions |
| 21:07.55 | subz3r0 | looks good by now |
| 21:08.06 | jhutchins_wk | Xlnt |
| 21:08.09 | jhutchins_wk | !next |
| 21:08.09 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 21:11.11 | Bundestrojaner | I've apt removed the nvidia-340, autoremoved and installed 304, but it still fails. Xorg.0.log still says it tries to load 340... |
| 21:11.11 | Bundestrojaner | how can i fix this? |
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| 21:15.57 | Bundestrojaner | apt remove nvidia-legacy-34* fixed it. I don't know why remove nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver && autoremove was not enough |
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| 21:43.47 | novilog | Still haven't figured out what's causing this problem with persistence on my live USB. The live USB image boots successfully before setting up the persistence partition and appending the boot flag, but afterward booting hangs. The change appears to be sticky too, because appending the boot flag "nopersistence" doesn't solve it, nor does removing the persistence partition. Not sure what's going on here. |
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| 23:09.26 | Pr0metheus | I am trying to setup samba on my desktop computer following (https://wiki.debian.org/SambaServerSimple) but when I try to connect with smbclient //myhost/myuser I get "Error NT_STATUS_IO_TIMEOUT". Any idea what could be wrong? |
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| 23:33.26 | novilog | On my live USB, but still no persistence. I also notice that I cannot mount any partition on the same USB that I'm booted from. Perhaps this issue is related to why I can't boot successfully when I enable the persistence parameter? |
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