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| 00:05.48 | ArahaelPi | I like iterm2, but can't find an equivalent in debian. Can anyone suggest a similar terminal emulator? |
| 00:06.27 | ArahaelPi | In particular,I like to have easy access to changing the ansi colours (especiallly dark blue), and to be able to switch from tab to tab very easily, using something like alt+digit. |
| 00:07.13 | empty_string | maybe terminator? |
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| 00:09.36 | ArahaelPi | Hmm, will check that out. |
| 00:09.41 | ArahaelPi | Thanks. |
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| 00:15.00 | ArahaelPi | empty_string: That works for me. A bit unorthodox, but workable. :) Thanks. |
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| 00:28.44 | empty_string | glad I could help :) |
| 00:33.05 | ArahaelPi | :) |
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| 00:34.48 | jim | you might look at other terminal emulators to see if there's something you like better.,,. also, you might look at screen or tmux, these are programs that run in a term that offer interesting features |
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| 01:09.01 | symtex | when using openvswitch on debian 9 and setting up startup configuration via the "interfaces" file which systemd service should come first in systemd? networking or openvswitch-switch? |
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| 01:23.52 | Mr_Queue | terminator is pretty cool.. |
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| 01:34.16 | rant | ArahaelPi: mate-terminal or pretty much any of them (lxterminal, gnome-terminal, etc) can do both those things |
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| 02:34.33 | Lambertini | Hey Folks, someone try install debian in old machines ? |
| 02:34.51 | Lambertini | i try install debian 8 in semprom 2200+ but no start |
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| 02:35.11 | Lambertini | but i try with usb |
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| 02:41.13 | rant | Lambertini: is the kernel -i686 or -amd64? |
| 02:42.25 | Lambertini | i use amd64 |
| 02:42.32 | Lambertini | 32x |
| 02:42.43 | rant | yeah well the sempron 2200 is 32bit |
| 02:42.50 | rant | it wont run an amd64 kernel |
| 02:43.40 | Lambertini | rant, let me see |
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| 02:44.01 | Lambertini | rant, i386 |
| 02:44.04 | Lambertini | i use |
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| 02:44.46 | rant | there is no debian kernel for i386 |
| 02:45.11 | rant | even if you installed the i386 arch, you may still have an amd64 kernel |
| 02:45.21 | rant | and that CPU cannot boot an amd64 kernel |
| 02:45.56 | rant | so you'd have to chroot and install an -686 or -686-pae kernel |
| 02:46.15 | rant | !pae |
| 02:46.16 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) is an x86 processor feature allowing more than 4 gigabytes of physical memory to be used. Linux supports PAE since version 2.3.23 (up to 64 GB of memory on 32-bit systems). PAE is supported by the Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/4/4M/D, Xeon, Core and Atom; AMD Geode NX, Athlon (K7), Duron, Opteron, Sempron, Turion and Phenom; Transmeta Efficeon; VIA C7 and some others. Ask me about <686-pae>, <bigmem>. |
| 02:46.35 | Lambertini | rant, well, after a long time on the home screen, it started to install |
| 02:47.08 | rant | yeah I have no idea what you're talking about.. but chances are you're trying to boot a 64bit kernel or userland on a 32bit cpu |
| 02:48.29 | rant | most likely its the kernel since a 64bit installer would not have booted either. |
| 02:49.15 | Lambertini | most likely its the kernel since a 64bit installer would not have booted either. |
| 02:49.18 | Lambertini | but |
| 02:49.33 | Lambertini | took a long time to wait |
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| 02:50.34 | Lambertini | rant, thx man !! |
| 02:50.43 | Lambertini | https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/ |
| 02:51.18 | Lambertini | but I did not find pae |
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| 03:01.11 | mrjpaxton | Just let 32-bit die already. |
| 03:02.37 | Lambertini | mrjpaxton, yahp, but, i not need the a super machine, just server web for littles projects |
| 03:04.22 | mrjpaxton | Well, to be fair, a lot of ARM systems are still 32-bit. You can also literally host a Web server on something the size of a gum stick. |
| 03:05.21 | Lambertini | yahp >D |
| 03:05.35 | Lambertini | mrjpaxton, you know sentora project? |
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| 03:06.59 | mrjpaxton | Lambertini: I don't happen to. |
| 03:07.28 | Lambertini | http://www.sentora.org/ |
| 03:08.31 | Lambertini | someone know a nice panel for webhost free better sentora? |
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| 03:28.08 | dijong | is there any way to "automatically" apply a single patch file to my Linux kernel every time i update it with the package manager? |
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| 03:42.37 | rant | !dkms |
| 03:42.37 | dpkg | Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux kernel headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module build log file is at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log |
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| 04:14.24 | Lambertini | how do I make my linux not get into X mode |
| 04:14.25 | Lambertini | ? |
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| 04:21.23 | orekix | Lambertini, disable your display manager |
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| 04:22.22 | Lambertini | orekix, thx |
| 04:22.34 | Lambertini | i used systemctl |
| 04:22.57 | Lambertini | systemctl set-defautl mult-user .target |
| 04:22.57 | orekix | which desktop environment are you using? |
| 04:24.02 | Lambertini | notthing, i install desktop envairoment |
| 04:24.14 | Lambertini | but I did not want graphics |
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| 06:29.32 | ArahaelPi | rant: lxterminal didn't do it for me, but... It's quite likely that the keyboard shortcuts just weren't immediately obvious to me. I quite like terminator now, though. :) |
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| 06:45.23 | omry | 13 unix stickers for $1, including debian! https://www.unixstickers.com/ |
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| 06:47.11 | omry | I got a little story there, I ordered it a few weeks ago, and eventually I got an email from them asking if I liked it before I got it. |
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| 06:47.48 | omry | I told them I didn't get it, and they send another one for free. today I found the one I didn't get in a pile of unopened mail, so I ordered their ultimate pack to make amends. |
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| 06:48.39 | omry | and oops, this entire thing was meant for debian offtopic :( |
| 06:48.41 | omry | sorry. |
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| 08:12.15 | bullgard4 | What does the abbreviation 'B-D' stand for in the sentence "Please make that sure by a versioned B-D next time." in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=904775 in Message # 25 ? |
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| 08:15.09 | h4x0riz3d | without being familiar i'd guess "broken dependancy" |
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| 08:16.57 | bullgard4 | h4x0riz3d: Thank you. |
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| 08:19.39 | dutchfish | h4x0riz3d, i think versioned build(er) deployment was ment. |
| 08:20.04 | h4x0riz3d | bullgard4 ^ |
| 08:20.30 | bullgard4 | h4x0riz3d: I saw dutchfish's message. |
| 08:20.40 | dutchfish | h4x0riz3d, because buildds was mentioned. |
| 08:21.09 | h4x0riz3d | "buildds" looked to me like a typo *shrug* |
| 08:21.17 | h4x0riz3d | hides back in teh shadows |
| 08:22.58 | dutchfish | h4x0riz3d, https://wiki.debian.org/buildd |
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| 08:28.45 | rudi_s | bullgard4: build-dependency? |
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| 08:32.08 | bullgard4 | rudi_s: Tahnk you. |
| 08:33.09 | bullgard4 | s/Tahnk/Thank/ |
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| 08:36.42 | rudi_s | np |
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| 08:57.58 | rindolf | Hi all! Which firmware should I install for debian on my core i3 sandy bridge machine to make it faster? This search has nothing definitive - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=debian+firmware&ia=web |
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| 09:07.06 | pragomer | thinking about what password-safe-program to use: keepassx, keepass2, keepassXC |
| 09:07.11 | pragomer | any hints? |
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| 09:07.58 | rudi_s | rindolf: What do you expect to get faster? |
| 09:08.30 | rindolf | rudi_s: my http://fc-solve.shlomifish.org/ benchmarks |
| 09:08.46 | rudi_s | rindolf: Which exercise what part of the system? CPU? |
| 09:08.59 | rindolf | rudi_s: cpu and ram |
| 09:09.02 | rudi_s | pragomer: Never heard of keepassXC; keepassx, keepass2 seem to be fine but both use "custom" crypto. Personally I use pass, but that's mostly CLI. |
| 09:09.47 | rudi_s | rindolf: Then firmware will most likely not help. You can get new CPU microcode (but with the recent spectre fixes, that will most likely get slower - if there are updates for your CPU). |
| 09:09.58 | pragomer | xc seems to be the more uptodate community edition with browser integration |
| 09:10.29 | rindolf | rudi_s: ok |
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| 09:10.35 | rudi_s | pragomer: Browser integration is something I'd be very careful about. There are a lot of attacks against browser extensions if the programmer is not very careful. |
| 09:11.27 | h4x0riz3d | yeah, i chose a password manager that doesn't offer browser integration.. sounded scary |
| 09:11.54 | h4x0riz3d | keepassx is "okay" so far |
| 09:11.57 | rindolf | rudi_s: https://packages.debian.org/sid/intel-microcode ? |
| 09:12.31 | rudi_s | rindolf: Yes. But again, this won't help with your performance. It will only fix potential bugs in your CPU. |
| 09:12.41 | rindolf | rudi_s: ah |
| 09:13.01 | rindolf | rudi_s: well, performance is better here on mageia v7 |
| 09:13.28 | rudi_s | rindolf: I have no idea what that is. |
| 09:13.54 | rindolf | rudi_s: see http://fc-solve.shlomifish.org/articles/how-we-benchmark/v1/ |
| 09:14.04 | rindolf | rudi_s: a linux distro |
| 09:15.01 | rudi_s | rindolf: Well. Depending on what you benchmark the kernel is also relevant. |
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| 09:21.40 | rindolf | rudi_s: ok |
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| 09:22.18 | rindolf | rudi_s: the kernel does not matter a lot for it |
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| 09:23.22 | rudi_s | rindolf: As I said, depends on what you benchmark. But if you measure raw CPU performance, than the distribution won't matter at all (except for the kernels and compilation of your test programs). |
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| 09:24.41 | rindolf | rudi_s: ok |
| 09:25.15 | abrock | I have a laptop with a nvidia card and a new debian stable installation which I upgraded to testing. I installed the nvidia-driver and xorg-xserver-video-nvidia packages but the nvidia kernel module doesn't seem to be properly installed |
| 09:25.51 | abrock | Xorg log file tells me "Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0)" |
| 09:27.02 | abrock | there were no error messages during installation |
| 09:31.01 | abrock | Xorg.0.log: http://paste.debian.net/1036779 output of "cat syslog | grep -i nv": http://paste.debian.net/1036780 |
| 09:33.04 | Lxrowe | Would you ever. |
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| 09:34.37 | Lxrowe | https://open.spotify.com/track/57p8CBvPOxrvyCbn6ttl5r?si=X-03DXpcQGGF62PiKpb7mA |
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| 09:43.58 | srged | I try to pain an iphone with my debian 9 and i get this error "Unhandled Lockdown error (-3)". any clue why ? |
| 09:44.07 | srged | pair* |
| 09:44.39 | [sr] | iphone is really a paint to pair!! |
| 09:44.41 | [sr] | pain |
| 09:44.51 | srged | true! :) |
| 09:46.11 | srged | any iphone user here? |
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| 09:50.04 | at0m | srged: not here, but there's always https://wiki.debian.org/iPhone |
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| 09:50.51 | srged | yeah i did follow the wiki but it wasnt a success |
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| 10:13.07 | Gunni | is running without swap really so bad that the installer has no method to do it? (using lvm) |
| 10:14.49 | Gunni | my thought is to have redundancy and memory exhaustions are the admin's problem, but why force it? the only method i found was to alt+f2 and manually create the lvm* |
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| 10:25.15 | abrock | hm, I booted the kernel from stable and to my surprise I get a login screen but everything is frozen, neither keyboard nor mouse are usable |
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| 10:27.09 | at0m | dpkg: tell abrock about testing |
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| 10:28.03 | abrock | are you suggesting to join #debian-next or to use stable? |
| 10:28.29 | at0m | i suggest you look for support on OFTC in #debian-next, indeed |
| 10:28.39 | at0m | and nv isnt nvidia-driver, that would be nvidia |
| 10:29.02 | abrock | I tried to join #debian-next but I'm told that channel is invite-only |
| 10:29.03 | at0m | you could try purging all nvidia packages, then install the onces suggested by nvidia-detect |
| 10:29.25 | at0m | abrock: it's invite-only on freenode, cos the channel is on OFTC |
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| 10:29.47 | at0m | "#debian-next on irc.oftc.net" |
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| 11:53.27 | mallxs | where do i find the notes what was shown before the dist-upgrade started ? |
| 11:54.27 | c-c | perhaps in /var/log/apt? |
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| 13:26.06 | eptalon | heyas |
| 13:26.44 | eptalon | quick question: can I get a debnian live run from a mem stick to the point that it automatically conncts to a WIRELESS NW WITH A SSID AND PW? |
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| 13:30.44 | RoyK | I guess the best way is to just boot on one memory stick and then install debian on the other |
| 13:31.08 | fpat | eptalon: i believe you want to dive into remastering: https://willhaley.com/blog/custom-debian-live-environment/ |
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| 13:33.45 | eptalon | fpat: yep probably. |
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| 14:28.06 | Gigglebyte | Shouldn't there be something for security in the update file http://paste.debian.net/1036810/ I just removed some things for the previous pop (Ubuntu) distro. |
| 14:34.01 | Brigo | Gigglebyte, i think i don't uderstand the question. |
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| 14:35.21 | Gigglebyte | Brigo> Do I need to add anything more to my configuration file that pulls packages? Shouldn't there be something in there for security? |
| 14:35.51 | Brigo | Gigglebyte, there is something there in the first line |
| 14:36.31 | Brigo | Gigglebyte, anyway if you want us to check you configuration, better show us the configuration, no the output. |
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| 14:39.44 | Gigglebyte | YOu mean the sources.list ? |
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| 14:40.49 | Gigglebyte | Brigo> Here is the contents of the /etc/apt/sources.list file http://paste.debian.net/1036811/ |
| 14:40.51 | Brigo | yes |
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| 14:41.41 | Brigo | Gigglebyte, the lines 12,13 are for security updates |
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| 14:42.00 | Brigo | the configuration file looks good. |
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| 14:42.27 | Gigglebyte | Brigo> Anything else beneficial that I should put in there? Or is it ok? |
| 14:42.30 | Brigo | if you are new to debian one more thing you can considere is backports. Check backports.debian.org |
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| 14:49.13 | Gigglebyte | Brigo> thanks for reminding me. I will be on later, but got to run for now. |
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| 14:49.47 | Brigo | Gigglebyte, no problem |
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| 15:00.32 | danwellby | I have cpu3 stalling causing lockups on my fresh debian 9.5 laptop, the laptop in question is a msi gl62 6qd |
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| 15:03.25 | danwellby | what is the best way to diagnose the issue? |
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| 15:52.58 | mason | ArahaelPi: FWIW, it takes some config work, but I use urxvt the way you're describing iterm2. Malleable colours, alt-# to change tabs, etc. |
| 15:53.20 | AeCEgGfTv5 | Hello, I have a question. I'm able to access my NAS by using the DDNS hostname (ex: test.dyndns.org) from the outside. However, I'm not able to access the NAS from my LAN by using the DDNS hostname. |
| 15:53.20 | mason | ArahaelPi: If you want to try it, ping me, and when I'm back at my keyboard later I'll gather some details. |
| 15:53.36 | AeCEgGfTv5 | can someone take a look at those rules and let me know where the problem is? |
| 15:54.56 | mawk | first the resolution is right AeCEgGfTv5 ? |
| 15:55.10 | mawk | btw you actually chose your nick or it's randomly-generated ? |
| 15:55.49 | AeCEgGfTv5 | randomly gen |
| 15:55.58 | AeCEgGfTv5 | yes the resolution is rihgt |
| 15:56.13 | AeCEgGfTv5 | these are the rules: https://pastebin.com/raw/c8wFQk2e |
| 15:56.42 | AeCEgGfTv5 | everything works currently....I just can't access my NAS by using the DDNS hostname....I have to use the NAS's ip |
| 15:56.47 | mawk | ah |
| 15:56.56 | mawk | the *external* NAS ip works from the inside ? |
| 15:57.05 | mawk | or you mean you're using the NAS LAN IP from the inside |
| 15:57.34 | AeCEgGfTv5 | from the inside, NAS LAN IP works. However, if I try to use the dynamic dns hostname to access it, it doesn't work |
| 15:57.59 | mawk | the ddns hostname returns your public ip right |
| 15:58.01 | mawk | not a LAN ip |
| 15:58.03 | AeCEgGfTv5 | yep |
| 15:58.13 | AeCEgGfTv5 | it returns the public ip |
| 15:58.28 | mawk | alright |
| 15:58.31 | mawk | here's the culprit |
| 15:59.11 | mawk | you need to duplicate the PREROUTING rules to put them in the INPUT chain of the nat table |
| 15:59.46 | mawk | hmm actually maybe no |
| 15:59.51 | mawk | it should go through PREROUTING too |
| 16:00.06 | mawk | then, instead of -i tun0 you use -d $YOUR_PUBLIC_IP |
| 16:00.13 | mawk | in the three PREROUTING rules |
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| 16:00.32 | mawk | and it should work |
| 16:00.45 | AeCEgGfTv5 | ahh....that's a problem. My router has 3 interfaces: eth0 (WAN), eth1 (LAN), tun0 (OpenVPN). |
| 16:00.53 | mawk | yes |
| 16:00.57 | AeCEgGfTv5 | the DDNS hostname is pointing to the tun0 ip address |
| 16:01.06 | mawk | the ddns hostname points to a public ip |
| 16:01.15 | mawk | so you don't care where that ip is contacted from |
| 16:01.28 | AeCEgGfTv5 | which public ip? I have 2: ISP public ip and VPN public ip, which one should I use? |
| 16:01.35 | mawk | the ip listed in the ddns |
| 16:01.46 | AeCEgGfTv5 | but it's the VPN ip address |
| 16:01.59 | AeCEgGfTv5 | $YOUR_PUBLIC_IP would return the ISP public ip |
| 16:02.08 | mawk | ah, then use the vpn ip instead |
| 16:02.46 | AeCEgGfTv5 | is there a way to do this without using the public ip? |
| 16:04.03 | mawk | your goal is to translate some address into another one |
| 16:04.17 | mawk | you need to know which address you're translating from |
| 16:04.21 | mawk | currently your NAT rule is too wide |
| 16:06.18 | AeCEgGfTv5 | this what someone in another channel said |
| 16:06.21 | AeCEgGfTv5 | 11:58] <optiz0r> you'll almost certainly have issues with hairpin NAT if you're accessing an internal host from within your LAN using an external IP address, unless you're SNATing the packet to the router's address at the same time as DNATing from the external to internal address |
| 16:06.22 | AeCEgGfTv5 | [11:59] <optiz0r> TCP SYN packet has src=client-internal dst=server-external, gets sent to the router where it gets DNAT'd such that src=client-internal dst=server-internal. So the server sends the TCP-SYN back with src-server-internal. Client drops it because it was expecting a packet with src=server-external |
| 16:06.24 | AeCEgGfTv5 | [12:00] <optiz0r> so you need to force the return packet to go via the router rather than direct, which you do by applying an SNAT |
| 16:06.51 | jelly | they're right |
| 16:07.05 | AeCEgGfTv5 | how do I do that? duplicate the 3 prerouting rules with SNAT? |
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| 16:09.07 | mawk | yes |
| 16:09.10 | mawk | and change the tun0 |
| 16:09.24 | mawk | because for now you don't do anything for packets coming from the LAN |
| 16:09.27 | mawk | they don't get NAT'd |
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| 16:10.21 | jelly | sure they so, -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/24 -o tun0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 16:10.40 | mawk | I don't mean nat'd like that sorry |
| 16:10.48 | jelly | otherwise it's impossible to route rfc1918 outside |
| 16:10.49 | mawk | I'm talking about the three PREROUTING rules |
| 16:10.58 | mawk | they're only for traffic from tun0 |
| 16:11.04 | jelly | yes |
| 16:11.13 | mawk | if he tries to reach port 21648 from the LAN, it doesn't get redirected to 192.168.1.30 |
| 16:11.22 | jelly | I'd ask about the nicest way to do it in #Netfilter |
| 16:11.35 | mawk | what I do is indeed what optiz0r said |
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| 16:11.49 | mawk | I add SNAT rules for packets that need it |
| 16:12.06 | mawk | for instance -A POSTROUTING -p udp -m conntrack --ctorigdstport 53 --ctorigdst 10.10.10.1 --ctdir ORIGINAL --ctstate DNAT -j SNAT --to-source 10.10.10.1 |
| 16:12.23 | AeCEgGfTv5 | so add this after the 3 PREROUTING rules: -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp --dport 21648 -j SNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.30 |
| 16:12.33 | mawk | SNAT goes in POSTROUTING |
| 16:12.57 | AeCEgGfTv5 | ok add -A POSTROUTING -p tcp -m tcp --dport 21648 -j SNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.30 before the -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/24 -o tun0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 16:13.11 | jelly | (but also, perhaps avoid the whole thing completely and let your dns recursor lie about that particular host and provide the 192.168 reply when the query is ocming from 192.168) |
| 16:13.22 | mawk | it's --to-source |
| 16:13.36 | mawk | yeah, that would be way better |
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| 16:14.00 | AeCEgGfTv5 | ok add -A POSTROUTING -p tcp -m tcp --dport 21648 -j SNAT --to-source 192.168.1.30 |
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| 16:14.04 | rocketmagnet | hello everone |
| 16:14.14 | mawk | you SNAT to the router's ip, AeCEgGfTv5 |
| 16:14.15 | AeCEgGfTv5 | yeah I want to avoid installing dnsmasq and bind9 |
| 16:14.18 | AeCEgGfTv5 | ah |
| 16:14.27 | mawk | you want the clients to believe the router is indeed the one having the port 21648 |
| 16:14.39 | AeCEgGfTv5 | ok add -A POSTROUTING -p tcp -m tcp --dport 21648 -j SNAT --to-source 192.168.1.1 |
| 16:14.41 | mawk | otherwise clients respond the the initiator, and the initiator thinks spoofing is happening and drop the connection |
| 16:14.59 | mawk | yeah it's starting to look better |
| 16:15.05 | AeCEgGfTv5 | ok letme go try that real quick |
| 16:15.10 | mawk | now you maybe want to add -d 192.168.1.30 |
| 16:15.22 | AeCEgGfTv5 | ok |
| 16:15.27 | mawk | you only SNAT stuff going to the .30 computer |
| 16:15.35 | mawk | but it's still too broad to my taste, even though it may work |
| 16:15.39 | rocketmagnet | i think something with my system is wrong (i think it's firefox), i've only one tab open but have 10 TIME_WAIT connections open |
| 16:15.47 | rocketmagnet | as soon as i close it they are gone |
| 16:15.50 | mawk | that's why I add conntrack directives to only match on packets that have been DNAT'd previously |
| 16:17.21 | mawk | in your case -m conntrack --ctorigdst 192.168.1.1 --ctorigdstport 21648 --ctdir ORIGINAL --ctstate DNAT |
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| 16:20.52 | AeCEgGfTv5 | I did -A POSTROUTING -p tcp -m conntrack --ctorigdstport 24446 --ctorigdst 192.168.1.1 --ctdir ORIGINAL --ctstate DNAT -j SNAT --to-source 192.168.1.1 |
| 16:20.55 | AeCEgGfTv5 | didn't work |
| 16:22.18 | rocketmagnet | is there a way i can block all https incoming requests if they where not requested first ? |
| 16:23.08 | mawk | because the PREROUTING rules only match outside world traffic for now AeCEgGfTv5 |
| 16:23.30 | mawk | you need to drop the -i tun0 and instead add -d $ip1,$ip2,$ip3 |
| 16:23.34 | mawk | list every ip your router has |
| 16:24.17 | mawk | or you can duplicate this set of rules, keep tun0 for the tun0 dynamic ip, and for the new set you replace -i tun0 by -d 192.168.1.1 |
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| 16:39.27 | AeCEgGfTv5 | tried -A POSTROUTING -d 192.168.1.1 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 24446 -j NAT --to-destination 192.168.1.30, it failed with error: DNAT target used from hooks POSTROUTING but only usable from PREROUTING/OUTPUT |
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| 16:45.46 | fpat | AeCEgGfTv5: maybe this little pic helps you: https://www.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial/chunkyhtml/images/tables_traverse.jpg |
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| 16:57.18 | zumba_addict | this looks really nice. https://screenshots.debian.net/package/xfce4 Is anyone here using xfce4? |
| 16:59.41 | zumba_addict | what is the easiest way to use fluxbox? |
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| 17:00.22 | zumba_addict | and will xfce4 work with fluxbox? |
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| 17:09.51 | zumba_addict | also, on the sign-in, I clicked cogwheel and tried the other 3(gnome, gnome classic and waylang). I didn't see any change when I logged in |
| 17:11.21 | c-c | zumba_addict: afaik fluxbox works by installing it and then confing your dm or login manager to use it |
| 17:11.42 | zumba_addict | ok. I created a .xinitrc but looks like it's not calling it |
| 17:11.52 | c-c | zumba_addict: you probably already have a login manager that gives you the choice to login into a fluxbox session from the login screen |
| 17:12.02 | c-c | (assuming you use a graphical login manager or dm) |
| 17:12.13 | zumba_addict | it's graphical |
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| 17:12.36 | c-c | so, for most debian installs, 1. install fluxbox. 2. log out. 3. select fluxbox for the session and log in |
| 17:12.45 | c-c | then right click once logged in |
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| 17:13.37 | zumba_addict | it worked when i cp .xinitrc to .xsession |
| 17:13.56 | zumba_addict | I logged out so many times, I still didn't see it as an option |
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| 17:14.32 | zumba_addict | wow, this fluxbox reminds me of my solaris long time ago :D |
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| 17:19.19 | zumba_addict | i'm installing xfce, i'm asked which display manager. GDM3 or LightDM? |
| 17:21.06 | orekix | go with lightdm, GDM is usually only used with gnome3 |
| 17:21.27 | zumba_addict | got it |
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| 17:24.39 | zumba_addict | i picked the wrong one :( now I can't get that thing to pop up |
| 17:26.23 | zumba_addict | it's good now. A logout wasn't enough. I restarted it. I see all of the choices now :) |
| 17:26.36 | zumba_addict | However, I want to use lightdm but I picked gd3 |
| 17:26.48 | zumba_addict | I picked gdm3 during installation |
| 17:27.08 | zumba_addict | how do we switch to lightdm? |
| 17:27.36 | zumba_addict | performance is kinda sluggish |
| 17:27.41 | orekix | disable gdm and uninstall it |
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| 17:27.47 | orekix | then install lightdm and enable it |
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| 17:28.10 | zumba_addict | like apt-get remove gdm && apt-get install lightdm? |
| 17:28.26 | orekix | disable the service first, systemctl disable gdm |
| 17:28.37 | zumba_addict | got it |
| 17:29.21 | zumba_addict | apt list gdm didn't show anything. What is the package name? |
| 17:29.22 | apt | zumba_addict: that's too long |
| 17:29.37 | rant | zumba_addict: gdm3 |
| 17:29.39 | zumba_addict | hehehe, looks like apt is a bot |
| 17:29.44 | zumba_addict | is he a bot? |
| 17:29.50 | zumba_addict | cool |
| 17:29.52 | rant | zumba_addict: yes |
| 17:29.55 | zumba_addict | :) |
| 17:30.01 | rant | apt, what are you? |
| 17:30.01 | apt | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 17:30.38 | AeCEgGfTv5 | anyone know how to hairpin nat? |
| 17:30.47 | AeCEgGfTv5 | i tried the suggestions by mawk but it didn't work |
| 17:30.50 | zumba_addict | :D |
| 17:31.16 | zumba_addict | I successfully removed gdm3. apt-get said lightdm is already installed. How do I switch to it? |
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| 17:31.29 | mason | AeCEgGfTv5: You could always have the internal resolution of the name match the internal addressing and NOT force it through NAT. |
| 17:31.44 | AeCEgGfTv5 | i have to do this on 30 clients lol |
| 17:31.45 | mason | zumba_addict: dpkg-reconfigure lightdm I suspect |
| 17:31.52 | zumba_addict | awesome. doing it now |
| 17:31.56 | mason | AeCEgGfTv5: Thirty clients, or a single internal name server. |
| 17:32.12 | AeCEgGfTv5 | how do I do that on the server? /etc/hosts? |
| 17:32.26 | AeCEgGfTv5 | i don't really want to install dnsmasq or bind9 on my router/server |
| 17:32.43 | mason | AeCEgGfTv5: If you don't have internal name server set up you're not in as good a position. You could do it in /etc/hosts on all the clients. |
| 17:32.58 | mason | AeCEgGfTv5: It could be on some other box in the network. Doesn't have to be on your router. |
| 17:33.34 | zumba_addict | i really like the desktop manager I was using in BunselLabs. It's extremely fast |
| 17:33.47 | AeCEgGfTv5 | yeah I want to stick with iptables |
| 17:33.58 | AeCEgGfTv5 | it looks complex with bind9 setting up zones |
| 17:34.12 | zumba_addict | i'm back to fluxbox. I'm not sure why |
| 17:34.22 | mason | AeCEgGfTv5: First hit searching: https://superuser.com/questions/995986/hairpinning-in-linux#1026002 |
| 17:34.51 | mason | AeCEgGfTv5: Probably cleaner to have an internal DNS server. |
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| 17:35.25 | zumba_addict | i figured it out. But looks like it didn't improve. Dragging the terminal is still jittery |
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| 17:36.34 | altker128 | Hey guys, how would I get my Debian Stretch installation to use an older version of the Linux kernel? I'm running into hard-lock ups with a Java-based application and my research says this might be due to some stack protection bugs in the kernel |
| 17:36.51 | altker128 | (In my decades of using Linux I've almost never seen a hard lock, just segfaults |
| 17:36.53 | altker128 | ) |
| 17:38.36 | jgkamat | altker128: I heard of some people getting lock ups with a recent security patch oracle put out, which java version are you using (is it openjdk?) |
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| 17:40.51 | altker128 | jgkamat: It is JRE/JDK: 1.8 . It is the Sun Java, not OpenJDK. The Java application I'm using only works with Sun Java. Do you have suggestions on reverting to an older kernel? |
| 17:41.21 | altker128 | jgkamat: I have tried running / downloading the latest (most current ) JRE/JDK 1.8 which did not help. Unfortunately the application does not work with JRE9/JRE10 |
| 17:41.47 | jgkamat | altker128: what security patch are you on? You should have options to use the last (3?) kernels in the grub menu |
| 17:42.33 | altker128 | jgkamat: 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 (2018-05-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:42.43 | jgkamat | altker128: the jdk version, not kernel |
| 17:43.54 | altker128 | jgkamat: server-jre-8u172-linux-x64.tar.gz |
| 17:44.06 | altker128 | jgkamat: So I guess that 1.8 u172 |
| 17:44.17 | jgkamat | yah, one second |
| 17:44.31 | rant | Sun hasn't owned Java in nearly 10 years |
| 17:44.50 | altker128 | rant: Ugh, Oracle |
| 17:44.57 | altker128 | rant: Pedantic much? |
| 17:45.49 | fpat | 1 bit can change the world |
| 17:45.54 | jgkamat | I think that the problem I've seen started at 161. However, there is a new update to oracle java 8 (u181). You could try installing that and seeing if it helps at all |
| 17:46.42 | altker128 | jgkamat: Hrm, I thought I downloaded the latest version of ORACLE's website directly. Do you know where to get u181? |
| 17:46.52 | altker128 | *of == from |
| 17:47.22 | jgkamat | altker128: this is where I'm seeing it http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/overview/index.html |
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| 17:49.10 | jgkamat | fwiw, I wouldn't recommend downgrading kernel versions because it would put you at a security risk. I think you can get them by installing the linux-image-<version> package though (and selecting the kernel on boot during grub) |
| 17:50.43 | altker128 | jgkamat: Thank you. Can you point me to where you read about the Java / Kernel lock up issues? I came across a thread on Ubiquiti networks |
| 17:51.58 | jgkamat | altker128: the issue that I was thinking of is a freeze on the android monitor with newer versions of java, but the information I found seems to all be about mac os, so maybe that's not related |
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| 17:52.17 | altker128 | jgkamat: I guess I could try a version of Java older than 161 too |
| 17:52.20 | jgkamat | you can search "jdk android monitor freeze" to find information about that |
| 17:53.11 | jgkamat | also, if the entire system is locking, it's probably not a bug in java, but in the kernel (and I have no idea what to do about that) |
| 17:54.11 | altker128 | jgkamat: Yeah, I'm pretty certain this is a kernel bug that Java is triggering. The Java application is not running as root either. |
| 17:54.22 | altker128 | jgkamat: Do you know if there are any Debain developers that hang out in here? |
| 17:54.39 | jgkamat | I'm sure they do, I'd just idle here and wait. I think there's a more active channel on oftc though |
| 17:55.00 | jgkamat | altker128: what graphics card do you use? |
| 17:55.19 | altker128 | jgkamat: It's Intel integrated graphics. To be clear I'm running a "headless" application (Confluence) |
| 17:55.36 | jgkamat | ok, never mind, that can't be it then :P |
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| 17:57.56 | zumba_addict | folks, how do I check which desktop manager I'm using? I turned on my bunselabs and I see it's using openbox. I'd like to know what desktop manager it's using |
| 18:00.07 | altker128 | zumba_addict: You could always use ps or ps aux and just get a process listing |
| 18:00.22 | zumba_addict | ok |
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| 18:00.50 | mason | zumba_addict: A desktop manager is your login screen. Do you mean session manager? |
| 18:00.55 | zumba_addict | oh |
| 18:01.14 | zumba_addict | i mean, it's a very plain screen after I log in. No icons |
| 18:01.14 | mason | (Think gdm, kdm, xdm.) |
| 18:01.28 | zumba_addict | I have to right-click to see a menu but it's also very plain |
| 18:01.32 | mason | THAT is entirely dependent on your choice of window manager or desktop environment. |
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| 18:01.50 | mason | zumba_addict: What do you want to be running? What have you installed that you want to see? |
| 18:01.56 | zumba_addict | cool. I need to find out which desktop environment my existing bunsenlabs is using |
| 18:02.29 | zumba_addict | I installed openbox on my debian 9 because my bunsenlabs was using it. I like it because it's extremely fast |
| 18:02.41 | mason | Hm, they describe themselves as an Openbox-based desktop, so probably you can copy over most of your configs from such a box. |
| 18:02.55 | mason | Yeah, I use Openbox here and have for years. I approve. |
| 18:02.55 | zumba_addict | my bunsenlabs though has taskbar and nice menu |
| 18:03.16 | zumba_addict | my new debian 9 after switching to openbox is very plain, just blank gray screen |
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| 18:03.20 | mason | zumba_addict: Lots of options there. I don't know what Bunsen has chosen. |
| 18:03.36 | zumba_addict | ok, which once are nice and lightweight |
| 18:03.47 | mason | zumba_addict: For my part, I set a backdrop with xv or feh and have dmenu to launch things. Very minimal. |
| 18:04.09 | zumba_addict | k |
| 18:04.20 | zumba_addict | i still like to have a taskbar at the bottom |
| 18:04.32 | zumba_addict | i tried xfce but it was slow |
| 18:04.34 | mason | zumba_addict: Maybe xfce4-panel |
| 18:04.43 | zumba_addict | ok |
| 18:04.45 | mason | You can just use the panel and ignore the rest. |
| 18:04.46 | altker128 | zumba_addict: MATE desktop environment IMO is pretty simple and to the point and is pretty fast. XFCE does seem slow |
| 18:05.02 | mason | altker128: Will their panel run standalone? |
| 18:05.02 | zumba_addict | cool, so apt-get install mate? |
| 18:05.05 | orekix | there's tint2 for a panel too |
| 18:05.18 | mason | zumba_addict: You don't have to generally install the whole environment to get their panel/taskbar. |
| 18:05.32 | zumba_addict | ok |
| 18:05.36 | altker128 | zumba_addict: I don't know what Bunsen Linux is. If you do a Debian installation you get that option as part of the installer. |
| 18:05.55 | zumba_addict | i'll show a pic of my bunsenlabs on debian 8 and my new one on debian 9. Both running openbox |
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| 18:06.53 | mason | altker128: I looked it up. Debian downstream it seems. |
| 18:07.02 | altker128 | Hrm. When I do an apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade, I see : |
| 18:07.03 | altker128 | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 18:07.05 | altker128 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.39 | zumba_addict | https://imgur.com/a/Y8OhySJ bottom is bunselabs |
| 18:08.12 | mason | zumba_addict: Top picture seems a bit cleaner to my eye. |
| 18:08.31 | mason | zumba_addict: I'd add xclock and call it done. |
| 18:08.38 | zumba_addict | :D |
| 18:09.00 | zumba_addict | i'll it a little beautiful plus it's still extremely fast |
| 18:09.13 | zumba_addict | lol. I mean, I still like it a little .... |
| 18:09.51 | altker128 | zumba_addict: That looks like MATE or GNOME? |
| 18:10.02 | altker128 | zumba_addict: I'd do apt-get install mate-desktop-environment |
| 18:10.27 | zumba_addict | i'll check what is installed and use that as grep pattern search |
| 18:10.29 | zumba_addict | thanks |
| 18:11.22 | zumba_addict | that showed up :) |
| 18:11.30 | zumba_addict | checking it on the other one |
| 18:11.57 | zumba_addict | it's also installed. It's just a matter of turning it on. How? |
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| 18:12.38 | mason | zumba_addict: Usually you pick your session type from whatever you've chosen as a display manager. Alternately, just run something like XDM and run whatever via ~/.xsession. |
| 18:13.14 | zumba_addict | i created an ~/.xsession earlier and put fluxbox |
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| 18:13.22 | zumba_addict | that was also very fast |
| 18:13.34 | zumba_addict | but appearance was also very simple |
| 18:14.25 | mason | I wanted to get into Fluxbox but I didn't see a way to control their tabs from the keyboard. |
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| 18:17.47 | zumba_addict | got it |
| 18:18.00 | zumba_addict | I switched back to fluxbox. I think it's good for now |
| 18:18.11 | zumba_addict | it's very simple and I do have a taskbar |
| 18:19.46 | sethkush | Does anyone know how to rename wifi devices in Stretch? I've created .link files in /etc/systemd/network/ but the names don't change |
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| 18:20.36 | zumba_addict | this is so weird. Suddenly, I have icons now |
| 18:20.43 | zumba_addict | i'm still in fluxbox |
| 18:22.08 | zumba_addict | what could I be running now? ps ax|grep flux is shows it as a process. It's still fast - https://imgur.com/a/LtM8sNw |
| 18:22.55 | zumba_addict | i right clicked and it's saying XFCE |
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| 18:23.31 | zumba_addict | why is it faster now? |
| 18:24.29 | zumba_addict | check this out - https://imgur.com/a/zdG1hKE |
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| 18:30.48 | AeCEgGfTv5 | help |
| 18:30.59 | AeCEgGfTv5 | I'm trying to add test.mydomain.com to bind9 to point to 192.168.1.30 |
| 18:31.07 | AeCEgGfTv5 | i'm a bit confused by the tutorial |
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| 18:33.42 | altker128 | jgkamat: I updated debian kernel and used the Sun JRE 1.8 you pointed me to ; same hardlock |
| 18:33.58 | jgkamat | ah, that's unfortunate, I have no idea then :/ |
| 18:34.07 | zumba_addict | edit it to your zone file AeCEgGfTv5 |
| 18:34.27 | AeCEgGfTv5 | what do I specify in the zone file? |
| 18:34.45 | zumba_addict | some it's in /var/named/some/path it's been more than 15 years that I last touched named |
| 18:35.04 | zumba_addict | open up one example like the localhost |
| 18:35.19 | zumba_addict | cp it, edit your named.conf to point to the new file, etc |
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| 18:35.37 | AeCEgGfTv5 | yes I did it |
| 18:35.46 | AeCEgGfTv5 | but how do I point test.mydomain.com to 192.168.1.30 |
| 18:35.57 | AeCEgGfTv5 | @ IN NS localhost. <--- what do I chang ethat to |
| 18:36.00 | zumba_addict | then i guess, named restart or service named restart or systemctl stop and also start named if it exists |
| 18:36.08 | zumba_addict | it's an A record |
| 18:36.17 | zumba_addict | you need to read more about Bind |
| 18:36.21 | zumba_addict | specifically DNS |
| 18:37.07 | zumba_addict | you can make up your own domain for your internal network |
| 18:37.11 | zumba_addict | example.com |
| 18:38.06 | zumba_addict | AeCEgGfTv5 do you know which tcp/udp port it uses? |
| 18:38.59 | AeCEgGfTv5 | 53? |
| 18:39.03 | zumba_addict | cool |
| 18:39.11 | zumba_addict | just wanted to know if you did some reading :) |
| 18:39.18 | AeCEgGfTv5 | so @ IN NS test.mydomain.com ? |
| 18:39.18 | zumba_addict | then continue reading about configurations |
| 18:39.37 | AeCEgGfTv5 | i'll read later |
| 18:40.15 | zumba_addict | cool |
| 18:40.20 | zumba_addict | this is what I used long time ago - https://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html |
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| 18:44.07 | msl09 | every now and then when I plug and unplug an earphone the sound becomes garbled (full of noise) |
| 18:44.23 | msl09 | anyone knows why that happens? |
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| 18:48.07 | altker128 | msl09: That's probably hardware & SW dependant. i.e. what CODEC? |
| 18:48.34 | msl09 | how do I do that? |
| 18:48.55 | msl09 | find that |
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| 18:50.42 | linuxvorpal | probably more to do with pulse |
| 18:51.01 | linuxvorpal | look at your settings in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf |
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| 18:56.17 | AeCEgGfTv5 | omg it worked |
| 18:56.21 | AeCEgGfTv5 | wow |
| 18:56.52 | altker128 | Is anyone in here running their own compiled kernel vs. the Debian kernel? |
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| 19:15.43 | msl09 | linuxvorpal, it's all commented |
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| 19:17.20 | mischief | hello, dhcpcd doesn't insert search into resolv.conf. i'm using dhcpcd. |
| 19:19.03 | AeCEgGfTv5 | it's probably because of dhcp client conf |
| 19:19.13 | AeCEgGfTv5 | your ISP maybe pushing it's DNS server into resolv.conf |
| 19:19.35 | AeCEgGfTv5 | i had to use the supersede option to override it so that the correct nameservers were put on resolv.conf |
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| 19:22.12 | AeCEgGfTv5 | "/etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, I had to add supersede domain-name-servers <coma seperated ip of nameservers>;" |
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| 19:23.24 | mischief | my dhcp server serves the correct option - i just configured it to do so. |
| 19:23.53 | mischief | the option is requested by dhcpcd, however when resolvconf is executed, no search domain is in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:24.06 | mischief | and i can't discern where it gets lost in this mess of shell scripts. |
| 19:24.12 | mischief | curse you roy marples! |
| 19:25.01 | AeCEgGfTv5 | my dhcp server's options are overriden by dhclient |
| 19:25.09 | AeCEgGfTv5 | in the resolveconf |
| 19:25.23 | AeCEgGfTv5 | unless i set the supersede option in dhclient |
| 19:25.45 | mischief | ostensibly, i don't want to do a local override, because dhcp should simply work. |
| 19:25.49 | AeCEgGfTv5 | i think it's because even though you are running dhcp server, you still use dhclient to get IP/DNS info from the ISP |
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| 19:26.10 | mischief | this has nothing todo with my isp. this is all private lan, controlled by me. |
| 19:26.48 | linuxvorpal | @msl09, pulseaudio --dump-resample-methods |
| 19:27.04 | linuxvorpal | pick one and try them out till you get one that sounds good |
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| 19:28.49 | AeCEgGfTv5 | your resolvconf file is being overriden |
| 19:29.16 | AeCEgGfTv5 | at least this is what happened with my server |
| 19:30.00 | mischief | what |
| 19:31.44 | AeCEgGfTv5 | my server, when it got it's IP (and nameserver information), the dhclient overwrite resolvconf with that information. |
| 19:32.09 | AeCEgGfTv5 | dhcp server first puts its nameserver information on resolvconf...but then it's overwritten by the server' |
| 19:32.18 | AeCEgGfTv5 | dhclient when it gets the IP info from the ISP |
| 19:32.28 | AeCEgGfTv5 | this is what happening in your case too probably |
| 19:32.52 | mischief | i think you do not understand my problem |
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| 19:34.54 | msl09 | \msg dpkg paste |
| 19:36.07 | msl09 | linuxvorpal, http://paste.debian.net/1036836/ |
| 19:36.19 | msl09 | ah sorry |
| 19:36.25 | msl09 | I didn't read the second message |
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| 19:54.42 | mischief | problem solved. |
| 19:54.48 | mischief | search is not set if it equals domain. |
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| 20:18.23 | tristero | I have a wired desktop on my home network that I always want to have the same IP address, but I still want to use DHCP for it (the DHCP server does the right thing based on its MAC address). But when the desktop comes up (after a power failure) before the DHCP server, it's not waiting long enough; it goes into multi-user mode with no IP address. What's the right way to make it wait long enough? I see an |
| 20:18.26 | tristero | undocumented WAIT_ONLINE_METHOD var in /etc/default/networking that looks promising. Do I even still need ifupdown on a systemd system? |
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| 20:29.22 | at0m | tristero: i use static IP on my lan, dhcp reservation in the router for fallback. in case of reinstall or so. would that cut it for you? or you need the dhcpd to deliver other services than just IP, say discovered services or DNS? |
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| 20:37.06 | tristero | at0m: I'm effectively using static IP too, just administering it centrally at the DHCP server rather than on each host; I'd like to keep that part. It looks like systemd doesn't need ifupdown any more, so I'm going to experiment with that |
| 20:39.20 | at0m | tristero: if the DHCP hands out a fixed IP to clients, clients do DHCP. they have a static IP when the IP is set locally on the client. |
| 20:39.40 | at0m | or, it's not even a client then, is it |
| 20:40.15 | frederickson | at0m: and setting static IP's on hosts is a management nightmare. |
| 20:40.49 | at0m | for a home network? |
| 20:40.53 | frederickson | you have to buy like three additional nigger slaves per thousand clients to maintain the capacity to program them all back in when upgrading OS |
| 20:41.00 | frederickson | at0m: oh nvm |
| 20:41.10 | frederickson | i thought you meant enterprise networks |
| 20:41.16 | at0m | i'm my own slave =) |
| 20:41.24 | frederickson | i am elite troll |
| 20:41.26 | frederickson | heil hitler |
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| 20:41.53 | p0lyph3m | hehehe |
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| 20:45.05 | RoyK | tristero: just keep a list in dns or otherwise for the static addresses and exclude the range frm dhcp |
| 20:46.06 | tristero | gentlepeople, the DHCP server and IP address assignment is not my problem. I just want to make Debian DHCP client machines wait long enough (indefinitely?) for their addresses, not give up too soon. |
| 20:46.07 | RoyK | so that if the dhcp server is offline, the machines come up as normal |
| 20:46.44 | RoyK | tristero: guess writing wrapper and using that with systemd would be simple |
| 20:46.59 | RoyK | I still don't see why you won't use a static ip |
| 20:50.55 | tristero | I have a big network, so it's a pain to administer each device separately |
| 20:53.16 | RoyK | I use static IP on servers and dhcp on the rest - less points of failure |
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| 20:55.57 | pingfloyd | set dhcp reservation for the servers |
| 20:56.32 | RoyK | and then the dhcp server goes down and you need to restart something⦠|
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| 21:01.21 | RoyK | the ISC DHCP server supports cluster setups, though - works well |
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| 22:33.27 | granttrec | so I notice that my locale for my login session with schroot is posix... how can I change that? |
| 22:35.29 | Namarrgon | in ##linux you said that you found the solution |
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| 22:36.04 | granttrec | Namarrgon: thought I did, it is changed in the chroot but that isnt the problem |
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| 22:50.53 | granttrec | eh the solution was actually as simple as I thought, just export the locale vars, because of how schroot works |
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| 23:39.05 | dongcarl | Hi, I noticed here: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/rustc that rustc is only on 1.14 for arm64 and i386, wondering how I could contribute to make the version number be bumped |
| 23:39.44 | at0m | ,v rustc |
| 23:39.46 | judd | Package: rustc on amd64 -- stretch: 1.14.0+dfsg1-3; buster: 1.26.1+dfsg1-3; sid: 1.26.2+dfsg1-1 |
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| 23:40.27 | at0m | dongcarl: afaik, no new versions are introduced in current stable, only security fixes |
| 23:41.03 | at0m | if you need 1.26 on stretch, you can look into backports |
| 23:42.04 | dongcarl | at0m: gotcha... |
| 23:42.50 | at0m | https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 23:43.03 | dongcarl | Any word on when buster is going to be released? |
| 23:43.22 | dongcarl | We're trying to make sure that we comply with debian-stable without backports... |
| 23:43.25 | dongcarl | So yeah haha |
| 23:47.37 | at0m | dongcarl: maybe talk to the rustc maintainers for debian? see the packages page you posted |
| 23:47.54 | at0m | they do the packaging etc |
| 23:48.09 | dongcarl | Right! |
| 23:48.34 | at0m | some may even be on your dev team, idk |
| 23:48.50 | antto | dongcarl afaik "buster" is the name of the "unstable" version |
| 23:49.03 | antto | !buster |
| 23:49.03 | dpkg | The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html |
| 23:49.04 | at0m | antto: that would be sid |
| 23:49.18 | antto | oh, crap |
| 23:49.31 | at0m | sid is always unstable. buster is now testing, and will be the next stable release |
| 23:50.01 | at0m | sid being the kid in toy story that loves to break things |
| 23:50.15 | antto | i thought "buster" as in "buster" from myth busters.. because it's a crash-test dummy |
| 23:50.47 | dongcarl | I think I have a case for this... As only i386 and arm is on 1.14 for rust, the x86 one is 1.24 |
| 23:50.51 | antto | okay, this toy-story thing is kinda annoying >:/ |
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| 23:51.20 | at0m | https://wiki.debian.org/ToyStory "Toy Story was released by Pixar November 22nd, 1995. One year later Debian 1.1 was released. Bruce Perens was the Debian Project Leader then and also worked for Pixar. He started the tradition of naming Debian releases after Toy Story characters" |
| 23:51.51 | antto | maybe it makes perfect sense to him |
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| 23:52.39 | onca | when I attempt to bridge eth0 and wlan0 I get the error "can't add wlan0 to bridge br0: Operation not supported". |
| 23:54.33 | onca | oh, nevermind, I have discovered my hardware won't do that. |
| 23:54.46 | at0m | onca: i configured my bridge with help from https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-linux-setting-wireless-access-point/#s5 |
| 23:58.46 | antto | and "sid" is also a name.. wtf.. i thought at least THAT is some abbreviation that made sense |
