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| 00:04.50 | algun | got any options for me blackflow? |
| 00:05.03 | algun | flags if you will |
| 00:05.53 | algun | to pass to smartctl i mean |
| 00:06.16 | blackflow | algun: smartctl -a |
| 00:06.35 | algun | ok what am i searching for? |
| 00:06.54 | algun | nothings printed in red |
| 00:07.30 | algun | no errors logged however i just installe smatmontools to run this |
| 00:07.46 | blackflow | can you pastebin that? |
| 00:08.14 | blackflow | smartctl -a | nc termbin.com 9999 might require you to install netcat first |
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| 00:08.44 | algun | none of it is sensitive right |
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| 00:09.39 | blackflow | maybe disk serial number |
| 00:10.02 | blackflow | algun: in fact you can pastebin just smartctl -A not sure the rest is needed |
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| 00:12.22 | algun | paste.debian.net/1034926 |
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| 00:13.38 | blackflow | algun: that's one old, but apparently healthy drive alright. |
| 00:13.55 | algun | but i just installed smartmontools |
| 00:14.04 | blackflow | algun: ? |
| 00:14.20 | algun | an running it took no time to exec |
| 00:14.35 | algun | so maybe a detailed test would have to be run first |
| 00:14.47 | blackflow | anyway, the usual suspects in that list aren't there. doesn't mean the drive _isn't_ in defect somehow. smart data tends to be ..... false negative |
| 00:14.52 | algun | to be able to conclud errythin is ok |
| 00:15.35 | algun | ok well thanks for your help |
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| 01:05.11 | Bacteria | umm |
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| 01:05.22 | Bacteria | wtf |
| 01:05.44 | Bacteria | finaly i recoverd my os in grub |
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| 01:06.34 | mnuhmnuh | yay. |
| 01:06.39 | Bacteria | does teh wheezy grub not compatible with stretch? |
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| 01:07.25 | mnuhmnuh | installing stretch should give you an updated grub. |
| 01:07.52 | Bacteria | no i wanted wheezy just to discover and add stretch |
| 01:08.12 | Bacteria | i copied it over manually from a diff HD |
| 01:08.22 | mnuhmnuh | what's wheezy, oldoldstable? |
| 01:08.29 | Bacteria | omg |
| 01:09.32 | mnuhmnuh | !wheezy |
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| 01:09.37 | dpkg | Wheezy is the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: https://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 ; security support ended on 2016-04-25, but ask me about <wheezy-lts>. Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <wheezy release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Final update <7.11>. |
| 01:10.01 | Bacteria | shit hahaha |
| 01:10.07 | Bacteria | 5 yrs strong! |
| 01:10.13 | Bacteria | i <3 debian |
| 01:10.39 | Bacteria | plus teh fact that debian already comes with older software on top of that |
| 01:11.58 | annadane | even lts has ended for wheezy, that's outdated |
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| 01:12.09 | annadane | dpkg: wheezy-lts |
| 01:12.13 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See http://deb.li/2aC for excluded packages. No changes to /etc/apt/sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts. |
| 01:12.16 | mnuhmnuh | BaW: i'm running 4.16 kernel on stretch/stable. |
| 01:12.33 | mnuhmnuh | that was for bacteria |
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| 01:23.33 | rpifan | my debian system is super slow running htop it shows irq/109-ELAN130 |
| 01:23.36 | rpifan | as a top memory consumer |
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| 01:28.36 | Len | rpifan: sounds like a problem with touchpad |
| 01:28.53 | rpifan | hmm |
| 01:29.03 | rpifan | supports DRM functions and may not be fully accessible |
| 01:29.24 | rpifan | also failed to read thermal zone |
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| 01:30.19 | Len | rpifan: https://askubuntu.com/questions/991151/ubuntu-17-10-elantech-touchpad-jerky-and-sluggish-with-phantom-click-events gl |
| 01:30.25 | Len | could be related |
| 01:31.30 | rpifan | this is an asus machine |
| 01:32.01 | rpifan | so i need a new kernel |
| 01:32.56 | mnuhmnuh | rpifan: 4.16 is on backports. |
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| 01:34.01 | rpifan | backports? |
| 01:34.06 | rpifan | dont i need new ones |
| 01:34.07 | rpifan | not old one |
| 01:34.09 | rpifan | im on sid atm |
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| 01:35.47 | rpifan | i mean buster |
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| 01:36.42 | annadane | well i guess use the one from sid, which is 4.17 |
| 01:36.54 | annadane | also for future reference |
| 01:36.58 | annadane | dselect, debian-next |
| 01:36.58 | dselect | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 01:37.16 | rpifan | why arent they on freenode |
| 01:37.21 | rpifan | i already have 5 servesr open |
| 01:37.25 | annadane | idk |
| 01:37.29 | annadane | historical reasons i guess |
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| 01:37.56 | rpifan | hmm |
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| 01:39.42 | rpifan | debian next is super quiet tho |
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| 01:41.24 | annadane | yes as tends to be the case with support channels when no one is talking |
| 01:41.33 | mnuhmnuh | comes and goes, as do they all. |
| 01:41.35 | annadane | if anything debian next is slightly more receptive than #debian on oftc |
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| 01:55.50 | zethnest_ | Hello. I am currently running Debian Stretch. I have a problem where my laptop froze randomly when there are inputs from keyboard inputs |
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| 02:00.57 | mnuhmnuh | zethnest_: you can jounalctl -b 0 to see what messages may have been stored. |
| 02:01.35 | mnuhmnuh | journalctl |
| 02:03.17 | mnuhmnuh | zethnest_: if you find anything related, send it to paste.debian.net |
| 02:04.52 | zethnest_ | I got lost on where it happened. I'll post when it happens again |
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| 02:21.43 | Barones | Hi, How can I cp and rename multiples files at once in shell? |
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| 02:28.21 | mnuhmnuh | BaW: you could just move the files to another (new, empty) directory. |
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| 02:29.49 | mnuhmnuh | that was meant for barones. demmit. |
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| 02:49.04 | rant | yeah they left..heh.. and it was unclear what they wanted but sounds like they wanted to both rename and copy at same time |
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| 02:51.03 | zethnest_ | I looked into kern.log and looked at where the froze did |
| 02:51.08 | zethnest_ | https://paste.debian.net/1034934/ |
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| 02:52.45 | rant | that snipped is taken VERY EARLY in the boot process |
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| 02:53.34 | rant | ah no, thats two different boots |
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| 02:54.23 | zethnest_ | My laptop froze. I cannot even go into tty |
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| 02:56.39 | rant | yes well thats related to intel HD graphics and the problem is something, more than likely the kernel DRM is trying to read data from it faster than data is being written to the buffer seemingly due to interrupts occuring |
| 02:56.59 | rant | which without more context, thats about all I can say |
| 02:57.51 | zethnest_ | On my previous install, I accidentally added sid repo in my apt list. It fixed this |
| 02:58.12 | rant | since this is a gpu issue aside from more context around the issue in the kernel, tthe xorg long would also be relevant |
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| 02:58.39 | zethnest_ | Where can I find the solution? |
| 02:58.42 | octet | I have a userscript that justonstantly refreshing my webpage (not working). I tried clearing all browsing history, disabling all addons, etc. I then tried a different browser in virtualbox, and it still doesnt work right. I then rebooted into my windows 10 dual boot and the userscript works fine there. I think it has something to do with flushing the dns, but I tried this in debian already "systemd-resolve --flush-caches" and rebooted |
| 02:58.42 | octet | pc, but still it does not work :( |
| 02:58.45 | rant | zethnest_: so you're saying you know that this issue didnt occur in sid but it is occuring in stretch? |
| 02:59.05 | zethnest_ | Maybe |
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| 02:59.53 | rant | zethnest_: its more than likely a graphics driver issue but that doesnt narrow it down enough as the graphics drivers are two parts, kernel and userland (X), though i would venture to guess the problem is in the kernel |
| 03:00.22 | rant | zethnest_: anything in particular you're doing when these issues arise? do you have more loggage to go on? |
| 03:00.51 | zethnest_ | I think it froze when inputs from keyboard is being sent. It happens randomly |
| 03:01.38 | rant | octet: I ran into a parse error or two trying to read that.. "justonstantly" is not a word in any language I know of, even various regional slangs. |
| 03:01.51 | octet | sorry, "just constantly" |
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| 03:02.30 | rant | octet: ok, well what the heck do you mean by all this.. what is a userscript that apparently applies to both debian and windows 10 and refreshing webpages? |
| 03:02.52 | rant | and what do you mean by refreshing webpage exactly |
| 03:03.01 | zethnest_ | rant: The log doesn't seem to show any more error apart from acpi, gpt, and ext4-fs, in the previous boot |
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| 03:04.17 | octet | I have a userscript which augments my webpage by adding some css stuff. The issue is that when I visit a page where the userscript should activate, it causes my webpage to be in endless refresh. Though, I can use the same thing in windows. So, the problem has to do with something in debian but I am not sure what it is |
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| 03:04.46 | rant | zethnest_: yes well as I said the small part of a log you showed only indicates a fifo (buffer) being read faster than its being written among interrupts (which could be caused by the keyboard or anything else) and its coming from the DRM which is the graphics.. and anything graphics related has two parts.. kernel and X.. so you need to look at the xorg log as well |
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| 03:05.08 | octet | in windows, it functions correction, but in debian, and debian+virtualbox, it does not work with any browser |
| 03:05.20 | octet | functions correctly* |
| 03:05.21 | rant | zethnest_: if nothing I've said is helpful, then you need to provide more information because thats all can be gathered from what you've shared |
| 03:06.21 | rant | octet: userscript is not something I'm familiar with.. and I dont know of many scripts that work on both windows and debian.. so you need to start making sense.. is this a browser plugin, or what? |
| 03:06.37 | rant | are we talking javascript? |
| 03:06.46 | octet | yes, a userscript is a piece of javascript that activates on specific webpages |
| 03:07.00 | rant | and it does this via a browser plugin? |
| 03:07.11 | octet | yeah |
| 03:07.18 | rant | which browser and plugin? |
| 03:07.34 | mnuhmnuh | octet: maybe linux is doing it right, and win* is wrong for letting you get away with something you shouldn't be getting. |
| 03:07.40 | rant | heh |
| 03:08.14 | rant | mnuhmnuh: my father always told me every man likes a piece of ass, no man likes a smartass :P though that never stopped me.. |
| 03:08.46 | mnuhmnuh | see no evil, hear no evil, ... |
| 03:08.58 | octet | Firefox or Chrome or Opera, and Grease/Tamper/Violentmonkey. What seems odd is that I have tried other combinations in my windows 7 virtualbox, but it does not function right. only windows is letting it work. the endless refresh makes me think it is a dns problem |
| 03:09.01 | rant | bottom line is you're asking a very verbose question without getting to the meat o the issue |
| 03:09.05 | mnuhmnuh | it's just a valid q. |
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| 03:10.05 | rant | we can't get at what the problem is cause we have no idea what the source of this script is, what browsers or plygins are running it, what the expected behavior and actual behavior is.. |
| 03:10.15 | rant | you're being horribly and ambiguously vague |
| 03:10.31 | rant | debian doesnt have firefox, chrome, or opera |
| 03:10.41 | rant | it has firefox-esr and chromium |
| 03:11.06 | octet | The point I am trying to make is that neither the browsers or the plugins are at fault. the only difference I am changing is booting in windows or booting in debian. |
| 03:11.06 | rant | and you're introducing too many variables to get any sort of question answeered |
| 03:11.46 | rant | if you already know this, then you gotta solve the problem.. I can't make aa determination what is the issue if I dont even understand the circumstances under which its occuring |
| 03:12.11 | zethnest_ | rant: So I've looked into Xorg.0.log.old, which is from the previous boot I believe. Doesn't seem to show any error on it's last seconds |
| 03:12.20 | rant | we're just debian users volunteering support, we're not wizards or gypsy mind readers |
| 03:13.19 | rant | zethnest_: is this happening seemingly randomly while the machine is running, while logging in/booting, while runing huge-foo-bar-baz-3d-application? |
| 03:13.43 | octet | I understand, I am just at a loss for why it it works in one OS and not the other, when userscripts are never OS or browser-specific. I guess I will try a debian live cd and see if it works in that, or another computer altogether |
| 03:13.51 | zethnest_ | Seemingly randomly whice the machine is running. |
| 03:14.06 | rant | zethnest_: my best guess right now is to try treat this as a bug in the kernel drm modules for your GPU |
| 03:14.06 | zethnest_ | But running it idle without doing anything doesn't freeze the machine |
| 03:14.35 | rant | zethnest_: right cause the issue is related to interrupts causing a buffer underrun and interrupts only occur when something is happening |
| 03:15.04 | rant | like disk i/o, keyboard input, network i/o .. etc |
| 03:15.12 | zethnest_ | Ahh I see |
| 03:15.50 | zethnest_ | Where should I start looking for solutions? |
| 03:16.06 | rant | when a piece of hw throws an interrupt, such as any time you move the mouse or press a key, or a disk read/write completes.. it tells the CPU to stop what it's doing and handle the inturrupt |
| 03:16.21 | rant | what is causing the lockup however is likely the DRM's fifo underruning |
| 03:16.36 | rant | and the DRM's fifo is underruning due to interrupts |
| 03:17.36 | rant | a fifo is a buffer, think of it like a pipe.. or a straw.. the underrun is like when you're drinking a milkshake and get to the end and it makes that slurping sound cause you're drinking faster than the milkshake is being filled up :P |
| 03:17.50 | rant | now who likes when their milkshake is empty? |
| 03:17.58 | rant | linux doesn't like that either :P |
| 03:18.24 | rant | it still has a craving and there is nothing coming down the straw |
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| 03:19.17 | rant | probably cause the interrupts caused whatever was providing the milkshake (the gpu in this case) to not be able to fill up the straw as fast as whatever was drinking it (xorg probably) was sucking it out |
| 03:19.18 | zethnest_ | But shouldn't that resulting the machine just delaying while processing everything? |
| 03:19.25 | mnuhmnuh | zethnest_: any chance you could change your display to another resolution? don't know how that's done these days? |
| 03:19.27 | rant | yeah normally, sure |
| 03:19.39 | rant | but when there is a bug in the hw or driver.. no.. heh |
| 03:19.41 | mnuhmnuh | perhaps it'd better handle others. |
| 03:19.53 | zethnest_ | mnuhmnuh: Maybe, I'll try it later. |
| 03:20.07 | rant | zethnest_: what does uname -r say? |
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| 03:20.36 | zethnest_ | Forgot to mention the screen goes black and sometimes there is like a one line of pixels on the screen displaying jibberish colors |
| 03:20.41 | rant | zethnest_: my best guess at a troubleshooting option is to try another kernel as this is probably a kernel bug |
| 03:20.48 | zethnest_ | rant: 4.9.0.7-amd64 |
| 03:20.57 | rant | zethnest_: yeah the driver is choaking up pixels.. its common in intel gpus :P |
| 03:21.07 | zethnest_ | Damn it intel |
| 03:21.21 | rant | zethnest_: ok thats the stretch kernel.. maybe try the one from backports |
| 03:21.26 | rant | ,kernels |
| 03:21.28 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.8-1); buster: 4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.8-1); stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.16.16-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-7-686-pae (4.9.110-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.7-686-pae (4.9.110-1~deb8u1); wheezy-backports: |
| 03:21.29 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 03:21.47 | rant | zethnest_: stretch-backports has a 4.16 kernel |
| 03:22.01 | rant | might either solve this or at least shed some more light on it |
| 03:22.32 | rant | I'm not really sure how new an intel gpu the ironlake is |
| 03:23.05 | zethnest_ | Ahh that so. I'll try that then. |
| 03:23.21 | zethnest_ | Looks like my old install of Debian had 4.17 |
| 03:23.34 | rant | zethnest_: yes that would be a testing/unstable system |
| 03:23.59 | zethnest_ | More stable than the official stable |
| 03:24.06 | zethnest_ | Thanks |
| 03:24.17 | rant | now the problem with a gpu could be in either the kernel or xorg driver.. but being that you see no errors in xorg and this is talking about drm and irqs, and fifo underruns, it sounds more like its in the kernel |
| 03:24.22 | rant | which is MUCH easier to solve |
| 03:24.34 | rant | cause the kernel can be swapped out relatively easily |
| 03:24.45 | zethnest_ | Ahh nice |
| 03:24.58 | rant | you could even if need be run the buster/sid kernel I believe |
| 03:25.14 | zethnest_ | Roger that |
| 03:25.14 | rant | afaik the buster/sid kernel has no deps not satisfied in stretch |
| 03:25.35 | rant | though I'd either install it manually or pin the shit out of it |
| 03:25.57 | rant | cause you dont want to accidentally wind up with frankendebian just trying to get a newer kernel to debug a gpu |
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| 03:26.14 | rant | the stretch-backport kernel is the safest thing to try first |
| 03:26.28 | zethnest_ | Gotcha |
| 03:26.32 | mnuhmnuh | ah, where's your sense of adventure? |
| 03:26.38 | zethnest_ | Thanks for helping me with the troubleshooting! I'll be off now. Got stuff |
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| 03:27.08 | rant | mnuhmnuh: I sat on a toilet at a small gas station bathroom in Yonkers, NY the other day.. |
| 03:27.53 | rant | thats like maniac level adventurous there.. :P |
| 03:27.59 | mnuhmnuh | was there a gun at your head? |
| 03:28.12 | rant | heh.. no I didn't stay that long |
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| 03:29.21 | rant | though I also didn't know it was a latino neighborhood at first, I said hello/goodmoring to someone on the street when I guess I should've said Hola, buenas dias |
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| 03:30.18 | TC` | I did swapoff on my debian machine. There is half the ram free. Swap no shows 14MB in use and doesn't exit. What could be the problem? |
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| 03:30.51 | TC` | swap shows now only 14MB, after it was 4GB. And does not exit. |
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| 03:31.34 | rant | so you have no swap enabled, and you're wondering why it still shows 14MB in use? |
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| 03:33.08 | mnuhmnuh | TC`: type free |
| 03:34.38 | TC` | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.38 | TC` | Mem: 49191916 26809280 627604 590204 21755032 21178540 |
| 03:34.39 | TC` | Swap: 14916 14916 0 |
| 03:35.08 | TC` | Yes. I did swapoff -a |
| 03:35.28 | mnuhmnuh | TC`: type "sudo swapon -a" |
| 03:35.42 | mnuhmnuh | multiple swap ptns? |
| 03:35.45 | TC` | But swapoff -a command did not finish |
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| 03:36.00 | TC` | just one |
| 03:36.29 | TC` | currently swapoff command is taking 90% of one cpu core time. |
| 03:37.07 | TC` | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.07 | TC` | Mem: 49191916 26809280 627604 590204 21755032 21178540 |
| 03:37.11 | TC` | root 11827 96.0 0.0 25708 1236 pts/0 R+ 05:54 40:37 swapoff -a |
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| 03:37.16 | mnuhmnuh | btw, you got in just under the wire. use paste.debian.net or they kick you at five lines. |
| 03:37.25 | TC` | sorry |
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| 03:37.50 | mnuhmnuh | i'd kill that command |
| 03:39.41 | mnuhmnuh | pkill swapoff |
| 03:40.12 | mnuhmnuh | then i think i'd reboot. |
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| 03:41.17 | TC` | I just did Ctrl+c |
| 03:41.27 | TC` | Swap: 14M 14M 0B |
| 03:41.51 | TC` | Swap: 6.0G 14M 6.0G |
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| 03:42.19 | mnuhmnuh | wut? |
| 03:42.54 | TC` | I did CTRL+c on swapoff -a |
| 03:43.42 | mnuhmnuh | "Swap: 6.0G 14M 6.0G"?!? |
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| 03:45.15 | TC` | Because it di dnot finish, I guess it did not shut down the swap, just cleared it. |
| 03:46.20 | mnuhmnuh | does swapoff clear swap? why? i thought it just turned it off. |
| 03:46.41 | TC` | The machine has 24GB of Ram, half used and half cached as disk. But somehow swap grew to 4GB in last two days. |
| 03:47.01 | TC` | mnuhmnuh: it does move swap back to ram. |
| 03:47.52 | TC` | if you have 100% used ram, you will end up with out of memory applications and maybe a crashed system. |
| 03:48.38 | TC` | Doing swapoff. But It will first tell you that there's no memory to allocate for swap data. |
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| 03:57.46 | rant | you should flush all the caches first |
| 03:59.00 | rant | https://www.tecmint.com/clear-ram-memory-cache-buffer-and-swap-space-on-linux/ |
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| 04:02.20 | rant | to avoid oom or at least help mitigate it |
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| 04:03.16 | rant | if you sync changes back to disk, flush cache, then clear swap, you're less likely to run into issues |
| 04:03.31 | squigz | My system log is being flooded with https://plop.pw/APVRyKherGJYUx28b0hLCU_HBnnw Can someone help me figure out what's wrong and fix it? I suspect it has something to do with my USB headset, since that's pretty when I try to play audio through it |
| 04:03.37 | squigz | s/pretty/printed/ |
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| 04:06.56 | squigz | I'm running kernel 4.9.0-7-amd64, not sure what other information to provide |
| 04:08.27 | rant | well did you confirm what device is causing the issue? |
| 04:08.49 | rant | and is there actually a problem aside from tthe log flooding? |
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| 04:09.12 | rant | i.e. would just stopping the flood be considered a fix to you? |
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| 04:10.43 | rant | cause this is a bug.. something is using the wrong identifier.. but the kernel seems to be working around it just is apparently doing it so frequently and verbosely its filling your logs |
| 04:11.15 | rant | squigz: don't smoke your gears on this its a simple yes or no.. I can ttell you what other info to provide and figure it out |
| 04:11.48 | squigz | No, fixing the flooding itself is not a fix. The headset is not working at all, either |
| 04:11.56 | squigz | It has before, but been problematic. However, usually replugging fixes it |
| 04:12.27 | squigz | I'm 90% sure it's the headset causing the issue, since as I said, it seems to only come up when I play audio through it |
| 04:12.42 | squigz | try to play audio* |
| 04:12.47 | rant | ok then you have no idea, and the answer is no :P |
| 04:12.56 | squigz | sounds about right |
| 04:13.07 | rant | you need to provide the output of lsusb and lsmod |
| 04:13.11 | squigz | Sure |
| 04:13.37 | rant | a slightly larger snipped of tthose errors wouldnt hurt either to see which parts change |
| 04:13.55 | rant | unless its exactly tthe same |
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| 04:14.41 | squigz | lsusb https://plop.pw/AFOaGlG4i7ci-V_MZO-E5ZNDcctX lsmod https://plop.pw/AC6pUMHPgwraajRzVqVlrZLKjKm5 more output https://plop.pw/AH7dOMh1Yb_KdjVv0M30dC-Yxhxf |
| 04:14.59 | squigz | they are definitely not the same |
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| 04:16.09 | rant | yes the frame ID should be changing |
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| 04:21.45 | mns | How do I find out why packages have been kept back from being upgraded ? |
| 04:22.20 | mns | I've got about 388 pacages not being upgraded. |
| 04:23.00 | detly | hello, I have a debian-buster-based linaro system that I want to connect to the internet. i can connect to local wifi, but the problem is it's one of those gateways that requires a login via pin entered onto a webpage served by the gateway itself. I have only the command line ie. nmcli, nmtui. how do I deal with the gateway's stupid page? I don't appear to have links/lynx/w3m/any www-browser installed, so I'm at a total loss here. |
| 04:23.31 | rant | squigz: well near as I can tell, contrary to your belif, you have two different issues |
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| 04:24.01 | squigz | rant: I imagine *I* have more issues than that, but glad to know my system only has two. What can you tell |
| 04:24.06 | rant | squigz: cause the errors are usb3 errors on bus4 and that audio device you speak of is on a usb2 bus5 |
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| 04:24.57 | squigz | rant: By "that audio device", I hope you're not referring to what is listed in lsusb as 'Texas Instruments ...' |
| 04:24.59 | squigz | as that is different |
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| 04:25.44 | rant | ah.. well I just assumed that is what you were speaking of since it was the only audio device I saw on usb tha could possible be related to this as you suspected |
| 04:27.02 | squigz | It's the Kingston USB device, it seems |
| 04:27.05 | squigz | Had to verify which one it was |
| 04:27.17 | squigz | That's the headset, to be clear, which I know to be causing issues |
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| 04:29.06 | squigz | The TI device is the USB connection for a mixer that appears to be working fine, not giving me any errors when I use it |
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| 04:31.19 | rant | squigz: I'd try unloading the usb3 (xhci) driver and plugging this back in to see if the errors are still generated and I'd venture to even unload the ehci (2.0) driver if so, and see if the messages still occur with only usb 1.0/1.1 |
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| 04:33.05 | rant | both those audio devices are reported to have worked for folk several years ago.. so I suspect its somehing recent causing the issue you're seeing |
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| 04:35.46 | squigz | well I just moved the headset to a different USB port and it's working, so it's gotta be something along those lines. I can't see behind or move my tower right now to see what type of USB port I plugged it into :P |
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| 04:36.26 | squigz | [ 2364.300606] usb 5-3: new full-speed USB device number 7 using xhci_hcd |
| 04:36.31 | squigz | That's USB3 then, isn't it? |
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| 04:40.41 | rant | well yeah those errors suggested to me anything from a buggy driver/device to a bad cable/port |
| 04:41.05 | rant | I was justt trying to rule things out.. I was also cooking but I was gonna suggest trying diff ports and removing other usb devices as well |
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| 04:42.23 | ElDiabolo | Hi. How do I find out the line number of a postinstall script failure? |
| 04:42.39 | rant | the errors are related to routing of data on the bus so it could've been virtually anytthing :P |
| 04:43.12 | rant | ElDiabolo: it usually tells you that sort of thing.. |
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| 04:45.50 | ElDiabolo | rant, It just says exit code 1, and there are several exit $? in the script. |
| 04:45.57 | rant | ElDiabolo: tthe install scripts are normally just bash scripts.. is this an issue with a debian package we can maybe help you figure out or just a general question / debugging of your own or a 3rd party package? |
| 04:46.28 | ElDiabolo | rant, It is mariadb-server-10.1. |
| 04:47.23 | rant | bash script typically exit with some kinda traceback indication unless they're exiting by an actual "exit" command :P |
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| 04:48.09 | ElDiabolo | rant, Unfortunately it is exiting with exit. |
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| 04:50.38 | rant | aside from showing the full output and treating this like a debian packaging issue, my best advice to answer your specific question would be to ask #bash about ways to more accurately debug/traceback scripts.. which I dont know offhand |
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| 04:53.12 | mnuhmnuh | ElDiabolo: you can "set -x" to make it show its work. |
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| 04:56.50 | mnuhmnuh | you can wrap any block of script w set -x/set +x to turn on and off. |
| 04:57.47 | ElDiabolo | Thx, I just removed the old mysql stuff, /etc/mysql and /var/lib/mysql. That did it. |
| 04:59.25 | mnuhmnuh | or, use a sledgehammer. |
| 05:02.32 | ElDiabolo | mnuhmnuh, I am actually considering that. The install went through, but I can't connect. |
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| 05:13.42 | detly | squigz: sorry, I missed the start of your issue, but I have had *numerous* issues with USB3 buses not liking multiple devices running at different speeds. I'd check if it still works in the same port as you saw problems with, but with every other device removed. |
| 05:13.52 | detly | (apologies if that's already been covered) |
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| 07:08.34 | xormor | should I wait for a few days so the dependencies are met for some i386 arch packages? some of the dependencies are unavailable. |
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| 07:12.18 | xormor | https://pastebin.com/tyEjNxAC <-- here is when I run LC_ALL=C sudo apt upgrade |
| 07:13.17 | cluelessperson | question, I installed nfs-common through apt on debian |
| 07:13.23 | cluelessperson | it works on one machine |
| 07:13.29 | cluelessperson | but can't mount nfs on another machine |
| 07:13.39 | cluelessperson | mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported |
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| 07:15.27 | xormor | https://pastebin.com/FkEfKS9J <--- here is when I try to run sudo apt install manually |
| 07:15.29 | blackflow | xormor: use full-upgrade |
| 07:15.43 | xormor | blackflow, ok. thanks. I will try. |
| 07:16.24 | blackflow | cluelessperson: which debian versions are involved? |
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| 07:17.07 | blackflow | cluelessperson: or try mount.nfs4 |
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| 07:17.53 | xormor | blackflow, https://pastebin.com/gbFXhkMt <--- sudo apt full-upgrade output, the same output as with sudo apt upgrade and sudo apt dist-upgrade |
| 07:19.18 | cluelessperson | blackflow: debian 9 |
| 07:19.23 | blackflow | xormor: first why are you prefixing that with LC_ALL=C? Do you have wrong locales set up there? Then, are you using or combining different debian repositories, and/or backports? |
| 07:19.43 | `whoami` | apt allows "upgrade", "dist-upgrade" and "full-upgrade" ? that is confusing. Need to read the manual |
| 07:19.43 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, `whoami` |
| 07:20.16 | cluelessperson | Linux cups 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 (2018-05-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 07:20.49 | blackflow | `whoami`: no, full-upgrade is apt-get's dist-upgrade |
| 07:21.51 | `whoami` | ah, ok. thanks |
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| 07:35.16 | xrogaan | Asking about backports, should I got to debian-next over at oftc? |
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| 07:36.40 | cluelessperson | I don't understand |
| 07:36.48 | cluelessperson | nfs-common is all I had to install for mounting nfs to work |
| 07:38.37 | blackflow | cluelessperson: did you try with mount.nfs4? |
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| 07:38.50 | blackflow | cluelessperson: not package but command. |
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| 07:40.12 | cluelessperson | blackflow: mount.nfs4: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported |
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| 07:43.08 | blackflow | cluelessperson: sorry, not sure what it could be then |
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| 07:49.29 | xormor | blackflow, I am using backports, and my locale is Finnish that I change to LC_ALL=C for pastebin to show the English language error messages to this channel. |
| 07:51.39 | xormor | blackflow, fi_FI.UTF-8 is the locale I have set up on my system, but that is not the problem, the problem is the backports. The packages the system wanted to upgrade are from backports, and apparently Debian stable 9 "stretch" does not have the versions of the packages it needs for dependencies to upgrade the backports packages. |
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| 07:55.45 | xormor | blackflow, https://pastebin.com/sVEi1mLx <--- sudo aptitude full-upgrade |
| 07:57.15 | xormor | I do not want to remove wine32:i386, and aptitude wants to remove it. I have a bad memory of once letting some package manager remove wine32 and I could not reinstall it, so I reinstalled the whole Debian system. |
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| 08:03.44 | xormor | is there a sound explanation for why wine32:i386 must be removed to meet the dependencies? |
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| 08:07.37 | Foloex | hello world |
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| 08:08.11 | Foloex | I was issue with my desktop computer that hands randomly, it just freezes |
| 08:08.25 | Foloex | even the num lock freezes |
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| 08:08.49 | fpat | Foloex: what is it doing before the crash? |
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| 08:09.12 | Foloex | nothing, it's like instant freeze |
| 08:09.16 | Foloex | while I'm using it |
| 08:09.41 | Foloex | It usually happens once a day, mostly in the middle of the afternoon |
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| 08:10.24 | xormor | Foloex, is it heating up? |
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| 08:10.57 | Foloex | I don't think it does |
| 08:11.11 | Foloex | it's not a shutdown or a reboot |
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| 08:11.39 | Foloex | I wonder if it happens during a disk write though |
| 08:11.47 | Foloex | but I can't be sure |
| 08:12.05 | Foloex | I don't really know how to diagnose this |
| 08:12.08 | petn-randall | Foloex: I'm assuming it's a hardware issue. I'd try running memtest86 on it over night. |
| 08:12.34 | Foloex | petn-randall: ok, I'll try that |
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| 08:14.08 | Foloex | is there a tool that can log temperature throughout the day ? |
| 08:14.48 | Foloex | after a reboot the CPU has time to cooldown before I can get to a temperature display |
| 08:15.30 | petn-randall | Foloex: You can read it out with lmsensors. You could also try to put load on it with cpuburn. |
| 08:16.18 | Foloex | thanks for cpuburn, I didn't know about this tool |
| 08:16.22 | Foloex | I like the name |
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| 08:16.46 | petn-randall | hehe :) |
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| 08:22.48 | cluelessperson | well I'm stuck |
| 08:22.55 | cluelessperson | I installed nfs-common but the nfs client doesn't work |
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| 08:36.24 | blackflow | xormor: sorry, phone, clients, all that.... what's installed from backports? |
| 08:37.01 | xormor | blackflow, hmm... how do I check it out? |
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| 08:38.29 | blackflow | xormor: otoh, you could grep the output of dpkg -l for ~bpo, I'm also not sure if all of them have the ~ prefix |
| 08:38.59 | blackflow | xormor: lines in that output starting with ii are installed |
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| 08:43.09 | xormor | blackflow, it seems the system just wants to upgrade to backports, that they are not installed yet, except perhaps for the following ones: https://pastebin.com/KZV4yyTa |
| 08:44.38 | xormor | blackflow, I used to do "sudo apt -t stretch-backports update && sudo apt -t stretch-backports upgrade" earlier, or was it "apt-get"? but it was not on this installation. AFAIK I have not installed anything from backports yet manually, but some automatic installation may have been done, or perhaps it just wants to upgrade to those from "non-backports". |
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| 08:46.33 | blackflow | xormor: I could be wrong but I think if you do blanket -t stretch-backports for upgrade, you give it permission to upgrade ALL packages to available newer versions from backports. |
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| 08:47.12 | xormor | blackflow, I think you are right. |
| 08:47.16 | xormor | blackflow, https://pastebin.com/3p1EeP6k |
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| 08:50.05 | blackflow | xormor: what if you use full-upgrade with -t stretch-backports? although personally I don't use backports, I would limit those only to a few absolutely needed ones from bpo |
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| 08:57.46 | xormor | blackflow, it wants to remove wine32:i386 |
| 08:58.09 | xormor | blackflow, I want to keep it for the day I want to play a Win32 game. |
| 08:58.09 | MrScoumoune_ | Hey |
| 08:58.25 | MrScoumoune_ | recently i try to install privoxy, i have install past 2 years |
| 08:58.42 | MrScoumoune_ | but actualy that didnt work with debian probably update |
| 08:59.12 | MrScoumoune_ | any have idea why actualy that didn't work ? |
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| 09:01.00 | xormor | blackflow, https://pastebin.com/d4QMk0RB <-- sudo apt full-upgrade -t stretch-backports |
| 09:01.03 | `whoami` | MrScoumoune_: hi, did you check the logs for errors ? |
| 09:01.10 | MrScoumoune_ | yes |
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| 09:01.29 | MrScoumoune_ | that failure when systemctl to start service |
| 09:01.55 | MrScoumoune_ | Habitualy that work, so is it on all new update debian or is it just me lol |
| 09:02.23 | `whoami` | what's the error message ? Did you google it ? |
| 09:02.28 | MrScoumoune_ | yes |
| 09:02.38 | MrScoumoune_ | i have read most post and other |
| 09:02.47 | MrScoumoune_ | wait i past you the lines |
| 09:03.05 | `whoami` | please use a pastebin if you plan to paste multiple lines |
| 09:03.11 | MrScoumoune_ | is it when apt install privoxy that failure i have remove |
| 09:03.11 | blackflow | xormor: can you please use a saner pastebin, like dpaste.de? I have hard time reading pastebin.com |
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| 09:03.29 | MrScoumoune_ | yes no problem |
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| 09:03.46 | `whoami` | just guessing, don't you have another software listening on the port privoxy wants to listen to ? |
| 09:04.36 | MrScoumoune_ | i have no software who listen port privoxy but that a great question |
| 09:04.53 | xormor | blackflow, OK. for now I have decided to remove stretch-backports from sources.list because it causes too much of a hassle and I do not really need the backports. I was using them just for fun, as a hobby, to keep myself busy and entertained. I am now tired of the backports hassle, and will look for a time I REALLY need it. |
| 09:05.12 | MrScoumoune_ | the only change is it p6 i have disable it |
| 09:05.29 | GreatL | this problem i have right now is driving me mad i had it twice.. had to reinstall the OS yesterday to fix it, but still it broke. what packages i have installed?: nvidia 390,77 from official site, steam, redeclipse game, other software but was through apt (same with steam). MY PROBLEM IS: that i can't boot my beautiful debian 9 system, it a 'grub rescue mode' problem :S |
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| 09:05.40 | cluelessperson | nfs-utils.service is a disabled or a static unit, not starting it |
| 09:05.44 | MrScoumoune_ | https://dpaste.de/hgDw |
| 09:05.49 | cluelessperson | when I install nfs-common, that message is given |
| 09:05.49 | MrScoumoune_ | after an apt install privoxy |
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| 09:06.30 | GreatL | please highlight me when talking to me, im having a grub rescue mode problem, which is driving me mad |
| 09:07.12 | MrScoumoune_ | journalctl say that : Creating config file /etc/privoxy/config with new version |
| 09:07.12 | GreatL | i also have a luks encrypted harddrive |
| 09:07.15 | MrScoumoune_ | Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/privoxy.service → /lib/systemd/system/privoxy.service. |
| 09:07.17 | MrScoumoune_ | Job for privoxy.service failed because the control process exited with error code. |
| 09:07.19 | MrScoumoune_ | oups osrry |
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| 09:08.28 | blackflow | xormor: I'd also recommend using wine from winehq directly. PLENTY of new features and bugfixes, wine in debian repos is a abit too stale for that. |
| 09:09.00 | blackflow | xormor: winehq has a repo you can set up in sources.list for that |
| 09:09.02 | `whoami` | MrScoumoune_: could you please make sure nothing is already listening to the port, using " ss | grep 8118 " (which is the default port privoxy uses, iirc). |
| 09:09.09 | `whoami` | MrScoumoune_: you might need to run this as root |
| 09:09.10 | xormor | blackflow, yes. thanks. |
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| 09:09.20 | MrScoumoune_ | yes ok whoami |
| 09:09.30 | cluelessperson | GreatL: what's the problem? |
| 09:09.34 | cluelessperson | reading |
| 09:09.39 | subb1 | Hi, all. |
| 09:09.49 | subb1 | I have Debian 9, with 4.9.0-4-amd64 kernel. I want to upgrade the kernel, for specific reasons. I run `apt-cache search linux-image` and I get a list of available kernels. My question - say I select `linux-image-4.9.0-7-amd64` kernel, do I have to also install the header package linux-headers-4.9.0-7-amd64`?` |
| 09:09.58 | `whoami` | MrScoumoune_: that's my only guess. If nothing is listening, i'll leave that for someone else, sorry. |
| 09:09.58 | MrScoumoune_ | nothing listen on port 8118 ihave test ss | grep 8118 |
| 09:09.59 | cluelessperson | GreatL: reinstall grub |
| 09:10.10 | `whoami` | okay then. Sorry :\ |
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| 09:10.20 | MrScoumoune_ | ok whoami is it possible because i have disable ipv6 ? |
| 09:10.38 | MrScoumoune_ | i think no but not sure i have read a post with disable ipv6 and error privoxy |
| 09:10.48 | `whoami` | it might be |
| 09:10.49 | Dagger | protip: don't disable v6 |
| 09:11.03 | Dagger | we're long past the point where that's an appropriate response to anything |
| 09:11.10 | MrScoumoune_ | lol |
| 09:11.15 | GreatL | cluelessperson: how :) |
| 09:11.23 | MrScoumoune_ | is very fast i reactive ipv6 for testing |
| 09:12.26 | cluelessperson | GreatL: boot a live usb, mount the luks disk, use grub2 to install over the old one |
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| 09:13.02 | blackflow | subb1: ideally you should only use the latest kernel in the major version branch, here 4.9 is considered major version. kernel headers have to be in sync with the kernel, yes, for situations where the headers are needed (like DKMS) |
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| 09:16.15 | subb1 | blackflow, I need not build any modules for the kernel, I can just go `apt-get install linux-image-4.9.0-7-amd64`? (yes, 4.9.0-7-amd64 is the top in the list, so latest I guess) |
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| 09:17.27 | petn-randall | subb1: Just install linux-image-amd64, it will always point to the latest kernel in that release. |
| 09:18.06 | petn-randall | subb1: Also, it should be automatically upgraded when running `apt-get upgrade`, just like any other package on your system. |
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| 09:20.07 | blackflow | subb1: what petn-randall said. |
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| 09:21.15 | MrScoumoune_ | so |
| 09:21.25 | MrScoumoune_ | dont disable ipv6 with privoxy |
| 09:21.27 | MrScoumoune_ | when you disble that failure i dont why |
| 09:21.34 | MrScoumoune_ | maybe for lo |
| 09:21.38 | petn-randall | !enter |
| 09:21.38 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 09:21.50 | MrScoumoune_ | i tink because ipv6 disable in "lo" and privoxy use it |
| 09:21.54 | subb1 | blackflow, petn-randall, noted.. :) |
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| 09:24.59 | subb1 | ok, thanks guys! |
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| 09:29.57 | GreatL | cluelessperson: i can't mount luks, will try in terminal |
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| 09:41.32 | cluelessperson | ... ignore |
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| 09:54.41 | COOurb | And now I can't install them |
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| 10:40.49 | sagat | Need an urgent help please. My pam.d config is messed up after removing fprintd. Login does not accept my password, added a new user with a new password from maintanence, still does not accept. What can I do to login debian? |
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| 10:49.05 | petn-randall | !frp |
| 10:49.05 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 10:49.21 | petn-randall | sagat: Use the steps above, and at step 4 you fix your system instead. |
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| 11:02.26 | sagat | petn-randall: okay i did the first step, but it says /bin/sh: 0 : cant access tty job control turned off |
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| 11:02.44 | sagat | after that i did fsck and it said all clean |
| 11:03.32 | sagat | then followed till step four, password updated succesfully |
| 11:03.41 | sagat | but still when i reboot the same |
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| 11:15.13 | petn-randall | sagat: You ignored my new step 4. |
| 11:15.38 | sagat | petn-randall |
| 11:15.49 | sagat | sorry a bit in panic, what to do at step 4 then? |
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| 11:15.54 | sagat | how to fix it? |
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| 11:16.41 | sagat | petn-randall: I mean, how to fix it at step four? |
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| 11:53.00 | Stutters | Hi there, I'm somewhat lost as to what way to make my script be run at startup. The thing is that the script is a daemon which listens in the background. How would you automatically start it on a debian 8? |
| 11:53.36 | daemon | stick it in /etc/rc.local :) |
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| 12:09.05 | Stutters | daemon: That works fine for daemons? |
| 12:09.34 | daemon | Stutters, if present rc.local is just a script that runs as root at system boot time |
| 12:09.46 | daemon | its deprecated I expected people screaming |
| 12:09.59 | daemon | but I use it regularly got when im to lazy to write a proper rc for something |
| 12:10.08 | daemon | or for when I want something executed 'really last' |
| 12:10.19 | daemon | rc.local is executed after all other startup scripts have completed |
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| 12:10.39 | daemon | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/49626/purpose-and-typical-usage-of-etc-rc-local |
| 12:10.42 | daemon | may be of interest |
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| 12:12.37 | Stutters | daemon: So in theory systemd service would be better, but this is a faster, lazier solution? Do I get that correct? |
| 12:12.48 | daemon | yep pretty much |
| 12:12.50 | Stutters | And thanks, I appreciate your answer, never knew what's what :P |
| 12:13.03 | daemon | :) |
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| 12:21.11 | blackflow | Stutters: I disagree. The amount of keypresses needed to get a proper systemd unit/service going is not significantly greater, and you get to do it TheRightWay(tm). |
| 12:22.51 | annadane | wonder what'll be changed with systemd in buster, they're already up to 7 versions (232 in stretch, 239 in sid) |
| 12:23.09 | Stutters | blackflow: I see. Can you tell me if I'm on the right track with TheRightWay? I found this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/236084/how-do-i-create-a-service-for-a-shell-script-so-i-can-start-and-stop-it-like-a-d |
| 12:23.20 | Stutters | What caught my attention is that answer with 18 upvotes.. |
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| 12:24.03 | Stutters | Pretty simple and straight forward. Is that what you meant? (I need it for debian 8 though, assuming systemd works the very same way as in CentOS 7 though :O) |
| 12:25.19 | blackflow | Stutters: the one below, by "decimal" is even better. |
| 12:26.17 | blackflow | Stutters: few things tho: 1) define proper dependency, if there is one and 2) make sure Type=simple is really what you want. to replace shell scripts thats it. If you had something that daemonized, then Type=forking. |
| 12:26.35 | Stutters | blackflow: Okay, but the basic idea of Alexander (18 upvotes) still applies? So I'd use script by decimal, edit it and go on with Alexander then? :) |
| 12:27.13 | Stutters | blackflow: Well my script is basically a daemon. Listening to a port and processing requests. I assume forking then? |
| 12:27.22 | blackflow | Stutters: both are fine actually, decimal's is a bit more precise with After=network.target, Type=simple and given timeout. |
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| 12:27.44 | blackflow | Stutters: yes, if your script starts a process that detaches from it, then Type=forking |
| 12:28.10 | Stutters | blackflow: Yeah, I think decimal's pretty fine, also with the network target since it's listening to the outside world. |
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| 12:28.17 | daemon | blackflow, 0_o |
| 12:28.26 | daemon | this is where you vanished too |
| 12:28.45 | Stutters | blackflow: Oh oh... is this wife?^^ |
| 12:28.48 | blackflow | Stutters: infact... what exactly is it? It's actually better to start teh daemon in foreground (no forking) for Type=simple. and btw, I typo'd above, I meant Type=oneshot for simple exec'd scripts. |
| 12:29.02 | blackflow | Oh, shi-! |
| 12:29.11 | daemon | :) |
| 12:29.35 | daemon | blackflow, nearly convinced dstolfa to join me on a live chat on air if you interested in an invite and why did you vanish from the pub |
| 12:29.41 | daemon | beer needs drinking! |
| 12:29.46 | blackflow | daemon: nah, thanks. |
| 12:30.25 | Stutters | blackflow: Well my script.sh executes this basically: java -jar example.jar |
| 12:30.43 | Stutters | And the example.jar is the daemon itself listening to a specific port then. |
| 12:31.15 | daemon | Stutters, you could probably wrap that nicely in the 'daemon' binary if systemd does not do that already somehow |
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| 12:32.39 | Stutters | daemon: To be honest I wouldn't know how to do that. |
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| 12:33.01 | daemon | Stutters, apt-get install daemon && man daemon |
| 12:33.07 | Stutters | I wish I did, because I'm really attracted to words like "nicely", "the right way" and "chocolate".. |
| 12:33.20 | daemon | it may be installed 'by default' I only really use debian to host docker stuff with so not quite my os :P |
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| 12:35.03 | Stutters | daemon: Oh, this is really sexy too *reads* |
| 12:35.45 | daemon | no problem, just remember this aint my os so if someone else says its wrong they are probably right :) |
| 12:36.38 | Stutters | daemon: I see! Thank you :) I will probably go with the systemd way for now, but this thing is definitely nice to have at disposal as well! :) |
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| 12:36.48 | bond_james | hey guys |
| 12:36.56 | daemon | Stutters, indeed an never have enough toys |
| 12:37.33 | Stutters | daemon: :) |
| 12:37.43 | Stutters | blackflow: Thank you too, that was awesome! :) |
| 12:37.56 | bond_james | I'm stuck on grub terminal after I goofed the grub conf which now points to the wrong partition. is there any simpler way of booting up from grub? |
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| 12:39.24 | blackflow | Stutters: you got it sorted, cool. sorry, I was derailed by a phone call. |
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| 12:40.52 | Stutters | blackflow: Yeah no worries, I figured daemon would decide to call you directly :P |
| 12:41.33 | blackflow | =) |
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| 12:44.24 | Stutters | blackflow: Oh well, maybe one question. I need to create this file: /usr/lib/systemd/system/my.service . The only thing is that folder "system" doesn't exist on this debian. I just create it? |
| 12:44.56 | blackflow | Stutters: no, that dir is for system defaults and packages. You add your service files to /etc/systemd/system/ |
| 12:45.05 | blackflow | that's also where you override existing ones |
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| 12:46.26 | blackflow | Stutters: btw, reading up backlog, no using the daemon binary is not the solution. Systemd has all the facilities. |
| 12:47.11 | blackflow | that's the Type=simple service type. Systemd takes over daemonization and process control _directly_ |
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| 12:56.42 | Stutters | blackflow: I see :) |
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| 12:59.59 | Dazax | Hello, anybody can help me with debian (stretch) preseed ? I can't have an install process with an azerty layout keyboard (qwerty with anything) |
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| 13:08.18 | daemon | hey all how would I bring up a docker-compose with the system its self |
| 13:09.11 | daemon | ah got it |
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| 13:13.45 | daemon | Stutters, |
| 13:13.45 | daemon | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/43671482/how-to-run-docker-compose-up-d-at-system-start-up |
| 13:13.48 | daemon | works a treat |
| 13:13.54 | daemon | should work for your java thing too |
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| 13:27.47 | Stutters | daemon: Thanks! :) |
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| 13:29.53 | Stutters | blackflow: I assume if the service definition is somehow wrong, my system will still be able to boot, right? |
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| 13:33.42 | blackflow | Stutters: yes, unless that service is in a critical dependency chain. You can always `systemctl start that.service` and verify that the service definition is correct and everything works as expected. |
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| 13:36.25 | Stutters | blackflow: Perfect, thanks! :) |
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| 14:24.59 | Zesk | What am I missing? |
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| 14:39.25 | wrq7253 | Zesk: configuring vlan with vconfig (as well as with ip link ...) does not survive a reboot |
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| 14:39.44 | wrq7253 | Zesk: also in debian 8 |
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| 14:40.46 | wrq7253 | Zesk: and /proc is not a real file system, it just reflect internal states of the kernel |
| 14:42.13 | hsn | i need stable location for source code tars. http://cdn.debian.org/debian/pool/ is suitable or it will go away after new debian is released? |
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| 14:45.49 | Zesk | wrq7253: oh, is there any way to keep vconfig configuration through reboot or should I create a service to start before network? |
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| 14:48.48 | wrq7253 | Zesk: i guess permanent vlan config must go into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:48.55 | wrq7253 | Zesk: see man 5 interfaces |
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| 15:28.03 | JordiGH | Is it possible to get a Linux that doesn't have meltdown/spectre mitigations? |
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| 15:29.20 | blackflow | JordiGH: you can disable the mitigations with kernel options. |
| 15:29.21 | annadane | try ##linux |
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| 15:29.45 | JordiGH | blackflow: In grub? |
| 15:29.57 | JordiGH | You don't mean compile options right? |
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| 15:30.20 | blackflow | JordiGH: yes, kernel command line options or whatsitcalled. Quick googling returns this for explanation: https://access.redhat.com/articles/3311301 |
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| 15:30.46 | JordiGH | Like, what's my threat model here? |
| 15:31.05 | JordiGH | Can you exploit with js? That's about the only untrusted code I run. |
| 15:31.06 | blackflow | JordiGH: that's something _you_ should define? |
| 15:31.26 | blackflow | JordiGH: yes, but browsers mitigate that now with less precise js timers |
| 15:31.38 | JordiGH | I mean, I assume none of the binaries I download from Debian will attack me. The only attack is from browsers. |
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| 15:32.05 | blackflow | JordiGH: at any rate, any vector that can result with RCE can xploit meltre. question is, what's the value of it. |
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| 15:34.50 | mnuhmnuh | have good backups, and know where your reinstall iso is. |
| 15:35.15 | blackflow | mnuhmnuh: meltre exploits are infoleak, not something that can, per se, modify your system. |
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| 15:36.35 | mnuhmnuh | glad i don't have anything anyone wants. :-) |
| 15:36.40 | JordiGH | mnuhmnuh: I shall also lawyer up, hit the gym, and delete facebook. |
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| 15:37.26 | blackflow | what's facebook? |
| 15:37.53 | JordiGH | Web IRC service. |
| 15:38.05 | mnuhmnuh | the new and better email. |
| 15:38.27 | annadane | the other thing apart from climate change which will doom all of humanity |
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| 15:38.44 | mnuhmnuh | broadcast only, never need receive again. |
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| 15:39.07 | mnuhmnuh | Iot will get us first. |
| 15:39.26 | blackflow | nah, we're covered. S in IoT stands for Security. |
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| 15:39.57 | mnuhmnuh | that was funny the first time you said it. |
| 15:40.47 | blackflow | that's funny every time. that kind of funny that makes you laugh and slowly transition to crying. |
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| 15:52.19 | annadane | can someone elucidate the differences/efficacy of redshift as compared to xbacklight? |
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| 15:54.05 | mnuhmnuh | color temp. vs. baclight level; sounds a little like apples & oranges. |
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| 15:54.54 | annadane | i guess i'm wondering if xbacklight can do what redshift can vis. provide location and have the screen brightness change gradually |
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| 16:02.40 | mnuhmnuh | blackflow: "Insecurely-Designed Internet of Things" -- "Peter G. Neumann" <neumann@csl.sri.com>, risk digest moderator. |
| 16:02.53 | mnuhmnuh | idiot |
| 16:03.13 | mnuhmnuh | not you. |
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| 16:21.13 | OS-37621 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.37 | annadane | i look forward to the impending password ... |
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| 16:27.21 | blackflow | mnuhmnuh: now S in IDIOT does stand for security :) |
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| 17:03.14 | lungaro_ | can pbuilder be told to not build a source package? |
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| 17:05.16 | mnuhmnuh | pbuilder update? |
| 17:05.31 | ChmEarl | dpkg-buildpackage -B ? or -b |
| 17:05.45 | ChmEarl | binary only |
| 17:06.07 | lungaro_ | oh interesting |
| 17:06.14 | lungaro_ | that should speed things up! thanks, i'll give that a shot |
| 17:06.23 | lungaro_ | how to pass taht to pbuilder though? |
| 17:06.50 | ChmEarl | env var |
| 17:07.25 | lungaro_ | --debbuildopts looks like it |
| 17:07.36 | lungaro_ | more preferred to use DEBBUILDOPTS ? |
| 17:08.28 | ChmEarl | yes |
| 17:09.22 | lungaro_ | cheers |
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| 17:24.51 | mnuhmnuh | talley ho. pip pip. |
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| 17:44.27 | fpat | i installed kde-spectacle on debian 9 and wonder now how i enable it when they print key is pressed. sadly, there is no man page and the doc directory is empty too |
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| 17:50.08 | mnuhmnuh | oftc's getting it again. :-( |
| 17:51.29 | fpat | :( |
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| 17:53.01 | mnuhmnuh | fpat: "replaces KSnapshot", so ... |
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| 17:55.02 | mnuhmnuh | fpat: in a terminal, try "kde-spectacle -help" or "kde-spectacle &" |
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| 18:12.03 | fpat | what the heck. executable gone now? |
| 18:12.19 | fpat | i was upstairs for a smoke :( |
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| 18:16.10 | mnuhmnuh | fpat: which kde-spectacle |
| 18:16.28 | mnuhmnuh | fpat: locate kde-spectacle |
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| 18:17.05 | mnuhmnuh | fpat: find /usr -type f -name kde\-spectacle |
| 18:17.45 | fpat | yes, yes, YES. i am unhealthy but not stupid |
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| 18:18.56 | mnuhmnuh | hey, i know how tough it is to type with those doggy paws; take your time, just tryin' to help. |
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| 18:20.56 | fpat | mnuhmnuh: sorry |
| 18:21.02 | mnuhmnuh | np. :-) |
| 18:21.07 | fpat | thanks :) |
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| 18:28.53 | zentris | So has anyone heard anything about them fixing debian wiki registration? Still unable to register and no one has responded via wiki@debian.org |
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| 18:32.03 | mnuhmnuh | i wonder if asking in #debian-mentors might help? |
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| 18:35.07 | RoyK | mnuhmnuh: #debian-dementors? ;) |
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| 18:49.54 | mnuhmnuh | RoyK: i'll parse that as "gnome". |
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| 18:56.43 | terrible | im planning a new flesh install of debian stretch but my questions is how many disk space i should give to swap if i have 6gb of ram |
| 18:56.44 | terrible | ? |
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| 18:59.18 | RoyK | terrible: flesh or fresh? ;) How much swap you need, depends on your workload etc, but normally a few gigs will do well. Setup the machine on LVM and don't allocate it all - that way you can expand the swapspace (and filesystems) later according to needs |
| 19:00.20 | mnuhmnuh | terrible: i have 8gb swap, 4 gb ram, but i can afford the space. depends how much you don't want your machine to ever crash from oom. |
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| 19:00.42 | terrible | RoyK, hahaha i mean fresh |
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| 19:01.53 | terrible | i want the system can run smooth cause i have 6gb installed |
| 19:02.07 | RoyK | terrible: you don't need a lot of swap - better start with a little if you don't have too much disk space - monitor it with munin or zabbix or something - and add more swap as needed |
| 19:02.22 | RoyK | if the system uses a lot of swap, you have too little RAM |
| 19:02.43 | terrible | i have plenty of disk space |
| 19:02.47 | terrible | 1tb |
| 19:04.28 | RoyK | terrible: well, just give it 2xRAM, then |
| 19:04.30 | RoyK | should do |
| 19:05.10 | RoyK | terrible: but please monitor it - munin is very simple to setup and will tell you with nice graphs how much swap is in use and a ton of other stuff |
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| 19:06.16 | terrible | i heard that with 2gb of swap is enough if i have 4gb of ram or more already installed on my system |
| 19:06.20 | terrible | that is true |
| 19:06.21 | terrible | ? |
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| 19:06.54 | mnuhmnuh | terrible: i run fluxbox. never touch swap. ymmv. |
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| 19:14.05 | mnuhmnuh | swap only comes into it when processes in ram need to be swapped out to make room for other/new processes. |
| 19:15.21 | jhutchin1_wk | terrible: If you have a laptop, and want to use suspend-to-disk, you need your swap to equal your RAM (That's where suspend writes the memory image). |
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| 19:15.53 | mnuhmnuh | swap speed is horribly low compared to ram, so you don't want to use it. it's intended as a safety feature agains crashing from oom. |
| 19:16.53 | mnuhmnuh | jhutchin1_wk: or that too. :-) |
| 19:17.19 | jhutchin1_wk | If your swap space is much more than 4G and you actually start to use it, it can be slower the bigger it is. One recomendation I've seen is 2x RAM up to 4G, then just cap it at 4G unless you deal with REALLY BIG datasets. |
| 19:17.53 | jhutchin1_wk | I haven't seen "suspend" on a desktop PC in a long time. |
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| 19:18.59 | terrible | i decide to give 8gb to swap |
| 19:19.03 | terrible | is that ok |
| 19:19.13 | terrible | i have 6gb of ram installed |
| 19:19.26 | mnuhmnuh | w a TB drive? you tell us. |
| 19:20.00 | mnuhmnuh | jh just said cap it at 4 |
| 19:20.08 | jhutchin1_wk | Interesting. In irssi, if I /clear the tab for a channel, switch away, and switch back the text is restored. |
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| 19:24.37 | terrible | mnuhmnuh, yes 1tb of hard disk |
| 19:24.41 | terrible | why? |
| 19:26.17 | mnuhmnuh | that's a lot of space! 8 gb out of a TB drive ain't much of a hit. |
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| 19:29.22 | hxmuller | I came in the middle of the discussion, but https://wiki.debian.org/Swap |
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| 19:30.08 | mnuhmnuh | go ahead, confuse us w facts. |
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| 19:32.02 | RoyK | terrible: you can adjust the amount of swap linux uses with sysctl vm.swappiness - it usually isn't a lot - if it's over a gigabyte, you probably have too little RAM |
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| 19:34.45 | mspe | waw, I thought you had no choice but to dedicate partition(s) for swapping |
| 19:34.58 | mspe | didn't even occur to me to try to do it with a file |
| 19:35.21 | RoyK | mspe: use partitions or even better - LVs - files are slower - much slower |
| 19:35.29 | drablyechos | you can swap to anything |
| 19:35.41 | mspe | I know but just the technical possibility ^^ |
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| 19:35.48 | drablyechos | yeah |
| 19:36.08 | drablyechos | I have been in situations where I needed to free up some RAM to get something done temporarily and just swapped to a file |
| 19:36.22 | drablyechos | it is slow but it got the job done without the need to go and set up a partition |
| 19:36.35 | drablyechos | it is good to know about that technical possibility |
| 19:36.38 | hxmuller | enable zswap? |
| 19:36.49 | hxmuller | echo 1 > /sys/module/zswap/parameters/enabled |
| 19:37.01 | RoyK | the secret is to use LVM all the way and not allocate it all and just add a new swap LV when needed |
| 19:37.02 | mspe | zswap? |
| 19:37.16 | RoyK | mspe: compressed swap |
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| 19:37.28 | mspe | to be even slower? :D |
| 19:37.48 | RoyK | depends on your storage, if you're on spinning rust, it'll probably be faster |
| 19:37.49 | hxmuller | should be faster than swapping to a spinner |
| 19:38.52 | drablyechos | if you really need that much RAM and you're using swap a lot, I'd recommend just getting yourself a VPS with all the RAM you're gonna need |
| 19:39.34 | jhutchin1_wk | RoyK: LVM does have some overhead, but it's only noticible in extreme conditions. It's slightly slower than direct access. |
| 19:39.38 | drablyechos | swapping is not ideal and it can really thrash your disk by taking up a lot of iops |
| 19:40.05 | RoyK | jhutchin1_wk: everything has an overhead, but the gain with lvm is worth it |
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| 19:42.02 | hxmuller | i like lvm with encryption on laptops with a single drive, I haven't quite figured it out yet on desktops with /home and /var on a different drive than / |
| 19:42.39 | hxmuller | but that's a different topic |
| 19:42.54 | mspe | nowadays I only have data partitions (and swap ones, but only for rare emergencies) |
| 19:43.04 | drablyechos | curious question on the topic of swap - if you are using swap space for storing stuff in memory, does it leave stuff on the disk that could be later recovered by forensics tools? |
| 19:43.43 | hxmuller | I believe that's why full disk encryption also encrypts swap |
| 19:43.51 | hxmuller | to prevent that |
| 19:43.54 | drablyechos | since physical RAM is volatile, unless you like freeze the memory sticks immediately after removing from the machine, it is hard to recover anything off of it |
| 19:43.57 | drablyechos | hm |
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| 19:44.50 | drablyechos | does encrypted swap add extra overhead? |
| 19:45.03 | hxmuller | all encryption does |
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| 19:45.25 | RoyK | drablyechos: if course it leaves stuff there - encrypted swap adds a wee overhead, but not a lot, at least if you have a modern CPU with AES instructions |
| 19:45.34 | hxmuller | but I can't really feel the impact |
| 19:45.59 | drablyechos | RoyK: that makes sense, thanks |
| 19:46.02 | RoyK | for a laptop, no - for a large-scale server, probably |
| 19:46.03 | drablyechos | it would be interesting to benchmark |
| 19:46.35 | drablyechos | I haven't thought much about the inner workings of swap in years |
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| 19:47.58 | mnuhmnuh | drablyechos: i learned yesterday that swapoff forces stuff in swap back into ram. i thought it just disabled swapping. |
| 19:48.50 | mspe | depends if your allocated swap space was actually being used |
| 19:48.59 | mnuhmnuh | makes sense, but unexpected. |
| 19:49.01 | mspe | depending on your swappiness sysctl setting |
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| 21:11.01 | garotosopa | Hi. How can I upgrade a single package that's marked as automatically installed? If I do apt-get install foopackage, it gets marked as installed manually. |
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| 21:13.31 | annadane | garotosopa, that ought to work. either the package in question has no updates, or you could try apt update first |
| 21:13.44 | annadane | which package? |
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| 21:15.10 | garotosopa | annadane, I had libavcodec58 marked as automatically installed (checked it on aptitude). The I did apt-get install libavcodec58 to get it upgraded (I'm running Sid). So now libavcodec58 is not marked as automatically installed anymore. |
| 21:16.13 | annadane | well, you can apt-mark auto libavcodec58 to set it to auto |
| 21:16.24 | annadane | but did it successfully update or not? |
| 21:16.31 | garotosopa | It did, yes. |
| 21:16.44 | garotosopa | I'll mark it again then. |
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| 21:17.18 | mnuhmnuh | what's the difference? |
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| 21:18.05 | annadane | i'm not sure there's a way other than marking it automatic to keep it automatic if you're upgrading individual packages |
| 21:18.15 | garotosopa | The thing is I use a script with this: apt-get update && apt-get install $(debsecan --format packages --suite sid --only-fixed); and I like to keep my manually installed package list as curated as I can. |
| 21:18.33 | annadane | maybe someone else has a better idea |
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| 21:19.10 | garotosopa | I guess I'll change that oneline script to account the automatically installed packages before upgrading. Then I'll mark then back after the upgrade. |
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| 21:41.11 | hankpete | has anyone ever had troubles when using an external monitor? i am using a very fancy new Dell monitor but it has made everything very laggy |
| 21:42.42 | hxmuller | hankpete: laptop with a discrete and integrated gpu? |
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| 21:43.22 | hankpete | hxmuller, Intel HD 520. How can i tell? |
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| 21:43.29 | Rajjix | hi |
| 21:43.41 | Rajjix | i like this channel |
| 21:43.51 | hxmuller | hankpete: so no additional nvidia or amd graphics? |
| 21:43.52 | hankpete | Rajjix, me too |
| 21:44.21 | Rajjix | been a while since i've been on irc |
| 21:44.25 | Rajjix | maybe 6 years or so |
| 21:44.31 | Rajjix | didn't think people still use it xD |
| 21:44.33 | hankpete | hxmuller, i dont think so. want to see lspci? |
| 21:45.10 | hxmuller | no, you would know if there were additional chips on board I guess |
| 21:45.51 | hankpete | yeah i didn't do any tampering |
| 21:46.17 | hankpete | hxmuller, its just the original lenovo flex 3 with a debian stretch partition |
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| 21:48.33 | jhutchins | This is odd. If I do vi /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/* it gives me 2 copies of the first file, and none of the other 7. It says "8 files to edit". |
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| 21:49.38 | hxmuller | hankpete: confirm nvidia not onboard. run lsmod and check for nvidia |
| 21:49.59 | hankpete | jhutchins, isn't that normal when u try to open many files with vi? each time u quit it opens the next one |
| 21:51.06 | hankpete | hxmuller, `lsmod | grep nvidia` gives nothing |
| 21:51.53 | Rajjix | what's the problem here maybe i can help with something |
| 21:52.18 | mnuhmnuh | hankpete: grep -i ? |
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| 21:52.55 | hankpete | Rajjix, i am connected to a big new dell monitor and now everything is very laggy (unless i reduce the resolution) |
| 21:53.10 | jhutchins | hankpete: Yeah, but instead of the 8 files, I get two or three versions of the first file only. |
| 21:53.20 | hankpete | mnuhmnuh, good point, still nothing |
| 21:53.23 | hxmuller | hankpete: my guess is the chip is struggling with both the external and laptop display running. does it have a functin switch to switch between laptop and external monitor? |
| 21:53.38 | jhutchins | hankpete: What I ended up doing was just pointing to /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ and it gave me a menu. |
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| 21:55.11 | hankpete | hxmuller, that was my guess. i dont get it though, my laptop is fairly new. never heard of "function switch". will look that up. thanks for the help so far everyone! |
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| 21:56.41 | Rajjix | can u send your graphic card details |
| 21:56.50 | Rajjix | use hardinfo or lspci |
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| 21:57.27 | Rajjix | but i think you should probably disconnect your computer screen and should work fine |
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| 21:57.44 | hankpete | Rajjix, I think this is the relevant line in lspci `VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 5500 (rev 09)` |
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| 22:00.27 | Rajjix | what OS are you using ? |
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| 22:00.49 | hankpete | Rajjix, Debian Stretch of course :) |
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| 22:02.23 | hankpete | I think i may have found a fix? i switched the big external monitor as the primary and now thingsr a bit better |
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| 22:05.04 | hxmuller | nice |
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| 22:14.46 | asdsadsad | when debian boots and I login to desktop, is there a way to find out all connections that were opened from boot to desktop? this is on a brand new debian install |
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| 22:16.07 | drablyechos | by connections you mean what, network connections? |
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| 22:17.04 | drablyechos | run wireshark or tcpdump on another machine and set up a filter to capture only the packets coming to/from your debian machine's NIC |
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| 22:31.45 | hxmuller | asdsadsad: assuming you are interested in 'network' connections, netstat will show them |
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| 22:33.29 | asdsadsad | oh ok thanks |
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| 22:34.37 | hxmuller | and there are other ways: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/38049/where-does-debian-store-network-connectivity-history |
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| 22:34.52 | mnuhmnuh | asdsadsad: netstat -atulpn |
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| 22:51.26 | veg_ | is there any pros/cons to using entire disks rather than partitions when creating a RAID5 array using mdadm? |
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| 22:52.12 | veg_ | I am building a NAS with 4x12tb WD Gold and I have a separate system disk, so I'd rather use entire disks without bothering with partitionning, but I'm wondering if there's any drawback? |
| 22:53.13 | whislock | I generally avoid using the entire disk because anything else that looks at the disk will think it's empty due to lack of a partition table. |
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| 22:54.10 | veg | whislock: anything else, as in? |
| 22:54.46 | whislock | As in -anything- else. Partitioning utilities, other systems, whatever. |
| 22:55.16 | soul-d | mmm what am i looking for if i want to setup up my screens as 2 seperate monitors (either via multi user ) but can't find anything on it let aside how i would switch the input |
| 22:55.31 | soul-d | problem is 1 screen is 4k 10 bit other 1080p 8bit |
| 22:56.02 | soul-d | would at least like to tell the nvidia driver that although doubt nvidia is nice enough to use it much anyway |
| 22:56.31 | soul-d | but still there is a scaling issue thats bit nasty to solvle |
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| 22:57.38 | veg | whislock: thank you, I found an interesting explanation on https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/323425 too |
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| 23:00.18 | mns | I did "apt-get dist-upgrade" yesterday, and now I can only SSH into the server if I use IP address. If I use a FQDN, I get ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host, with no information in syslog on the server side. |
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| 23:02.08 | mns | Any ideas why this would be happening ? |
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| 23:04.40 | zentris | Been working on some stuff for buster, thoughts on this wallpaper preview: https://i.imgur.com/EiuV6zl.png |
| 23:05.03 | zentris | Also will someone fix the wiki registration already? |
| 23:05.41 | zentris | also have this: https://i.imgur.com/WdWeTFv.png |
| 23:07.19 | phogg | zentris: I like the lower left one a lot |
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| 23:08.20 | zentris | thanks |
| 23:08.23 | phogg | mns: I would dial up logging on the ssh server side and see what it thinks is happening. |
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| 23:13.09 | mns | phogg: I've got it set to debug |
| 23:13.14 | mns | but I'll try again |
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| 23:19.37 | mvaenskae | cheers, been using debian now for quite some time and quite happy to have just stuff running and it being supportive in my system setup, but i need to expand my horizon a bit when it comes to advanced apt-list setup |
| 23:20.08 | mvaenskae | first of, is there a reason to have stable as distribution as opposed to stretch? |
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| 23:22.29 | mvaenskae | secondly, how current are these steps still when one wants/needs to mix some packages (i.e. firefox or some other program) from unstable posted here: https://serverfault.com/a/382101 |
| 23:24.32 | mnuhmnuh | mvaenskae: use stretch instead of stable, and you won't be surprised when buster goes stable. you choose when you go. |
| 23:25.20 | mvaenskae | apart from that there should be no difference? |
| 23:25.48 | mnuhmnuh | as far as i'm aware. |
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| 23:27.13 | mnuhmnuh | i like to hold off a couple or three mo. letting new stable settle in before i go. |
| 23:27.45 | mnuhmnuh | i'm not into bleeding edge; no need for it. |
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| 23:29.53 | mvaenskae | then it seems to be as i expected |
| 23:30.20 | mvaenskae | how smart is it to mix different distributions? |
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| 23:32.01 | mnuhmnuh | stable on testing or sid, fine, but pin the heck out of it. sid or testing on stable, not good; library differences, yada yada, bad. |
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| 23:32.39 | mnuhmnuh | !frankendebian |
| 23:32.39 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
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| 23:33.02 | mvaenskae | i for one would like to use current firefox versions (i believe 52-esr is having plugin incompatibilities for some things -- and i believe multi-threaded rendering is not included in it) but even buster is not really up to date with the versions, only unstable according to the wiki |
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| 23:35.12 | mvaenskae | this so far was a test-bed as well, so i am not crying too much for redoing stuff (needed to have a tensorflow-machine that actually works but alas, nvidia took some extensive efforts to be made usable... *sigh*) and can then test out recovery setups based on borg and try out ansible notebooks :) |
| 23:35.28 | mnuhmnuh | i'm using -esr 52.9.0, but i can't say i stress the web in any way. i use w3m anywhere i can. |
| 23:38.18 | mvaenskae | i am looking for study related reasons for something that can sync bookmarks and sessions between multiple devices but was not too keen on using chrome further and was thinking of giving firefox another fair try -- but for that i would like to test out up to date versions :) good to know that it's a bit more complex in that case though and going with sid is recommended if i want bleeding edge with the |
| 23:38.24 | mvaenskae | benefit of the most availability of packages but highest chance of bugs or go with stretch for rock solid stability at the expense of customizability |
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| 23:39.34 | mns | seems like a reboot of the server fixed things for my ssh connnectivity issue |
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| 23:41.36 | mnuhmnuh | yay. feature? |
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| 23:41.55 | mns | I don't know |
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| 23:42.24 | mns | technically I rebooted the server and teh cable modem. so could have been either of them |
| 23:42.46 | hxmuller | soul-d: search for multihead multimonitor multidisplay, etc. use linux as a keyword too. there's a ton of information out there. |
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| 23:44.40 | soul-d | yeh think i have the x part setup not sure how input will be shared did read something on mouse switcher but first have to test how it currently works lots of info was years old |
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| 23:44.54 | soul-d | but il keep keywords in mind i searched for multi user /screen |
| 23:45.20 | soul-d | sperate x etc those kinds of key words |
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