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| 00:02.14 | Dagger | you can see if you're receiving any RAs with `rdisc6` (it's in the ndisc6 package). since other computers work I guess the RAs are being sent correctly but are getting lost somehow |
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| 00:03.10 | Dagger | possibly the wifi AP or client can't handle multicast, which would break both RAs and NDP (so nothing will work even if you set a default route startically either). I've seen that in the wild :/ |
| 00:03.14 | mijk | hi, I'm trying to figure out how to implement "T0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyUSB0 19200 vt420" from inittab into systemd |
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| 00:03.27 | mijk | it's to interface a Pi Zero W to a VT420 |
| 00:03.51 | Dagger | (do double-check your firewall to make sure it's not blocking anything though) |
| 00:05.13 | Dagger | ...hm, but of course if DHCPv6 works then multicast must work to some degree or another... but that "or another" can be a source of much frustration if you don't know what you're looking for |
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| 00:07.31 | trumee | tw, i ran tcpdump on the host of the VM, and can the dhcp requests |
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| 00:08.30 | trumee | tw, IP 0.0.0.0.68 > 255.255.255.255.67: BOOTP/DHCP, Request from xx , length 300. IP 192.168.1.1.67 > 192.168.1.106.68: BOOTP/DHCP, Reply, length 300 |
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| 00:09.00 | trumee | It is strange why debian does not take the dhcp address |
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| 00:33.00 | hanetzer | question: I'm using an amd64 system; were I to install debian amd64 on it, and install the 32-bit multilib stuff on it; Is installing the 32-bit zlib1g support the same as installing it on an x86 machine? |
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| 00:34.09 | hanetzer | what I mean is, is it the same *.deb that would be used installing zlib1g on an i386 install? |
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| 01:02.11 | rjsalts | hanetzer: yes, it's the same package file |
| 01:02.44 | hanetzer | rjsalts: and if I install an arm cross-toolchain and install the arm zlib? |
| 01:03.18 | rjsalts | hanetzer: with multi-lib, I believe so |
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| 01:03.51 | hanetzer | nifty. I'm investigating cross-stuff on other distros for potential hackery on gentoo :P |
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| 02:58.29 | michael2 | does a standard debian install run /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/network/interfaces.d/* on boot? and if you then installed "network-manager" package, network manager will essentially override/ignore all the /etc/network/interfaces stuff? |
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| 03:00.36 | themill | michael2: other way around, n-m ignores anything you have configured in /e/n/i |
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| 03:08.01 | bug | yes and yes, since you both said the same thing. |
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| 03:11.11 | themill | no, n-m does not override /e/n/i |
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| 03:28.58 | michael2 | im confused, so say I've got a standard install - no network-manager. on boot, when systemd starts services, systemd will start some "network setting up service"? which reads the configs in /etc/network/interfaces/* files - do I have that bit right? |
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| 03:46.44 | wr | debian xfce brings witch network manager by default? |
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| 04:53.21 | tnks | I just installed another OS that doesn't use ifupdown... just simple udev, and it's kind of nice. |
| 04:53.32 | tnks | is there a reason Debian sticks with ifupdown? |
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| 04:59.15 | tnks | oh, I see that ifupdown is now considered legacy, in favor of system-networkd |
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| 05:48.27 | michael2 | im confused, so say I've got a standard install - no network-manager. on boot, when systemd starts services, systemd will start some "network setting up service"? which reads the configs in /etc/network/interfaces/* files - do I have that bit right? |
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| 06:03.51 | emu_rider | Did you choose any DE during the install? |
| 06:04.28 | michael2 | I ran tasksel "gnome-desktop" |
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| 06:11.40 | michael2 | emu_rider: Im trying to learn about the non desktop environment system works. |
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| 07:40.13 | trans | hello can you help me to find for debian - a offline software like http://utilities.webdunia.com/hindi/transliteration.html |
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| 07:42.56 | trans | hello can you help me to find for debian - a offline software like http://utilities.webdunia.com/hindi/transliteration.html Webdunia Engine for Transliteration (WET) |
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| 07:47.03 | derdebian | my esc key isnt working in vim, is it possible theres soem sort of keylock i may have accidentarlly triggered? |
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| 08:00.45 | derdebian | nvm found problem |
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| 08:06.55 | akd | I have issue with jessie and npm |
| 08:06.58 | akd | I have installed package nodejs |
| 08:07.05 | akd | so it installed npm automatically |
| 08:07.32 | akd | I then want to install latest of npm using `npm i -g npm@latest`, which work fine except the apt npm version is conflicting |
| 08:07.43 | akd | I want to remove the conflicting apt installed version |
| 08:07.49 | akd | Or to know the official way to update npm |
| 08:07.53 | akd | if installed from apt |
| 08:08.11 | akd | I am only able to update node using `npm i -g n` then `n stable` |
| 08:08.17 | akd | but it is impossible for me to upgrade npm |
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| 08:15.54 | babilen | akd: Typically install from upstream's repos |
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| 08:16.33 | akd | what? |
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| 08:22.24 | babilen | akd: https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/#debian-and-ubuntu-based-linux-distributions |
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| 08:38.46 | jelly | ,v rar |
| 08:38.47 | judd | Package: rar on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 2:4.0.b3-1; jessie/non-free: 2:4.2.0-1; stretch/non-free: 2:5.4.0+dfsg.1-0.1; buster/non-free: 2:5.5.0-1; sid/non-free: 2:5.5.0-1 |
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| 08:47.09 | kardborren | I'm trying to get a simple mail command installed so cron output gets mailed to me. Webpages said to try ssmtp, but that doesn't give a mail command. Is there a better solution for this? (I just need to get mail off the server so small solution is what I'm looking for.) |
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| 08:59.02 | blingrang | kardborren, Try mailutils |
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| 08:59.49 | kardborren | blingrang: That doesn't come with a full mailserver and all that? And gives a "mail" that cron can use? |
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| 09:00.02 | wjwiz | why isnt gnucash in testing? |
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| 09:01.10 | blingrang | kardborren, it provides a mail command. |
| 09:01.23 | kardborren | blingrang: I'll give it a shot. Thanks! |
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| 09:02.03 | Unit193 | wjwiz: Uses webkitgtk, which is old and going to be removed. Think the new one uses something newer. |
| 09:03.26 | wjwiz | Unit193: okay thanks |
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| 09:04.04 | Unit193 | Eg, the stuff in experimental uses webkit2gtk. But this more likely on topic for #debian-next. |
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| 09:35.41 | Lope | What is the default root password for a debootstrapped debian? |
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| 09:38.06 | rudi_s | Lope: There is none, you must run passwd before booting it. |
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| 09:53.20 | BCMM | Lope: if you've installed with debootstrap, you're almost certainly in an environment where you can run passwd in a chroot |
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| 09:59.41 | Vonor | hi. can someone tell me which package contains npm? I have nodejs installed according to this guide, but npm is missing -> https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/#debian-and-ubuntu-based-linux-distributions |
| 09:59.42 | Lope | okay, thanks guys. I did it. |
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| 10:06.57 | michael2 | Vonor: are you sure npm is missing its possibly just not on your $PATH |
| 10:07.43 | petn-randall | Vonor, michael2, npm is not shipped in Debian due to quality concerns. |
| 10:07.59 | Vonor | michael2, got it solved just now. had to apt install -t buster to get the version from the nodejs repo (I am on buster, but somehow it took the one from testing repo) |
| 10:08.13 | petn-randall | !why is npm not in testing |
| 10:08.13 | dpkg | npm is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=npm |
| 10:08.28 | petn-randall | Vonor: ^^^ |
| 10:08.42 | petn-randall | Vonor: buster *is* testing. |
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| 10:30.53 | TvL2386 | hey guys, I've done something wrong I think.... I wanted to purge a bunch of old kernels because /boot is 100% full. So I did `dpkg --list | egrep '4.4.0-(10[1489])' | awk '{ print $2" purge" }' | dpkg --set-selections` |
| 10:31.01 | TvL2386 | I assumed (wrong!!!) that this would purge them |
| 10:31.49 | TvL2386 | in the `dpkg --list` output I see the lines now start with a "p" |
| 10:31.59 | TvL2386 | What should I do? |
| 10:32.18 | PerfDave | TvL2386: Did "apt autoremove" not do what you want? |
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| 10:32.29 | TvL2386 | PerfDave: no because /boot is 100% full it errors out |
| 10:32.55 | TvL2386 | unattended upgrades (disabled now) caused packages to be half installed |
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| 10:33.07 | akay | so apt doesnt want to run because of /boot being full? |
| 10:33.16 | TvL2386 | yes |
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| 10:33.28 | TvL2386 | and with `dpkg -P` I can free up space there to let apt run |
| 10:33.30 | TvL2386 | but I fucked up |
| 10:34.03 | akay | well, the only think that comes to my mind is manually removing enough files so apt is able to run again - but let the others give more input |
| 10:34.18 | TvL2386 | I was searching for telling `dpkg` through stdin what to do... I wanted to pipe a package list into dpkg to purge |
| 10:34.58 | TvL2386 | akay: yeah I know that's the way to proceed... That's not the issue... the issue is that I called `dpkg --set-selections` and set packages to "purge"? |
| 10:35.04 | TvL2386 | but it is not executed... just marked |
| 10:35.09 | TvL2386 | so I don't know how to proceed |
| 10:35.56 | akay | well you said apt doesnt want to run because /boot is full - and the next step in your process would be to apt autoremove as PerfDave already said |
| 10:36.20 | TvL2386 | read my first 3 lines |
| 10:36.45 | TvL2386 | and then the fourth :) |
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| 10:38.16 | PerfDave | TvL2386: "dpkg -P --pending" should purge all the packages marked for purging |
| 10:38.19 | akay | ... i did read your messages. what you did was right but you only _marked_ them to purge |
| 10:38.52 | TvL2386 | thx PerfDave |
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| 10:40.06 | TvL2386 | yeah akay .... I thought that would purge them, but they didn't... and that was my mistake. So instead of continuing I wanted to ask you guys how to proceed |
| 10:40.26 | TvL2386 | so I'll do what PerfDave says |
| 10:40.27 | TvL2386 | sounds good |
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| 10:40.39 | PerfDave | TvL2386: that's from a quick skim of "man dpkg" :) |
| 10:41.04 | akay | nvm, glad you could solve it - my understanding was that apt autoremove was required to remove them - what did not seem to work for you because of /boot being full. |
| 10:41.04 | vlt | Hello. I have configured Debian 9 with "nodm" to run an X session as a specific user. ~/.xsessionrc runs one X program. Now I'm looking for a way to display a message to the user while a certain condition (established OpenVPN connection) is not met and then continue. Any idea? |
| 10:41.51 | TvL2386 | nice PerfDave! That's how I got to the `| dpkg --set-selections` and thought nope nope nope nope.... Not gonna do this :) |
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| 10:42.11 | TvL2386 | thanks PerfDave and akay :) |
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| 10:51.38 | TvL2386 | these servers only have 256MB /boot partitions |
| 10:51.41 | TvL2386 | meh.... |
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| 10:51.57 | TvL2386 | and unattended updates enabled -_- |
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| 10:56.21 | michael2 | when running `dhclient ...' I keep getting [NO DHCPOFFERS received] any ideas on how to troubleshoot this? |
| 10:57.17 | michael2 | Ive killed and restarted the running dhclient process, and Im running dhclient against the correct interface (wifi) |
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| 11:00.30 | themill | is the firmware loaded and is actually connected to the AP (WPA2 passphrases etc) |
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| 11:02.14 | michael2 | themill: yes, I was connected to an AP secured with WPA2, using wpa_supplicant |
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| 11:02.50 | michael2 | but now - when trying to connect to an open (no encryption) AP - I cant get a DHCP lease |
| 11:02.51 | themill | was or am? |
| 11:02.57 | michael2 | was |
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| 11:03.23 | themill | so you've told iwconfig to connect to this AP? |
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| 11:03.28 | Ticho | maybe the AP has no dhcp server running on it, and expects clients to set the correct settings manually |
| 11:04.23 | michael2 | themill: yes,connected with `iwconfig wlp3s0 essid <essid>' |
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| 11:05.39 | michael2 | Ticho: the AP is a dhcp server - Im connected to it with the compter Im IRC'ing on now |
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| 11:09.18 | Ticho | in that case, does the dhcp client start once the wifi connection is established? IIRC iwconfig itself doesn't do that, although it's been a while since I played with it directly |
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| 11:09.57 | Agiofws | HELLO |
| 11:10.00 | Agiofws | hi |
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| 11:11.54 | Agiofws | i've accidentally overwritten 500 pngs in a directory and i'd like to recover them is this possible with out having to recover ALL the files from my partition /dev/sda3 which is my root file system and recover ONLY from the certain directory? |
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| 11:12.21 | iodev | Agiofws: recovery is impossible if you have overwritten the files |
| 11:12.52 | Agiofws | yes but its my root file system its on a usb flash drive |
| 11:13.06 | Agiofws | its NOT* |
| 11:13.14 | iodev | is it ext4? |
| 11:13.24 | michael2 | Ticho: I think you need to call it initially, but once started it may continue to poll the AP. so I wonder if my problem is that somehow `dhclient' is not aware that Ive changed networks and its maybe still trying to request an IP address from the previous AP |
| 11:13.29 | iodev | if it's ext4, and you overwrote them and have no backup NOTHING can be done |
| 11:13.41 | Agiofws | yes its ext4 |
| 11:13.56 | iodev | because you overwrote them, if you only would have deleted them like with rm, then you could recover them |
| 11:13.59 | iodev | but overwritten, NO |
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| 11:14.10 | Agiofws | ok |
| 11:14.26 | iodev | Agiofws: sorry, may I suggest using clonezilla and dedup |
| 11:15.24 | Agiofws | anyway i'm just ging to render the pngs for the 2nd time again worth of 26h of rendering |
| 11:15.39 | iodev | no, use an AWS EC2 machine with GPU compute |
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| 11:16.09 | iodev | it may be able to get it done in 2 hours |
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| 11:16.50 | darsie | What package do I need to use 'open location' in gimp? |
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| 11:17.52 | michael2 | darsie: what are you trying to do? |
| 11:17.56 | Agiofws | AWS EC2 ? |
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| 11:18.17 | darsie | michael2: Open an image with a URL. |
| 11:19.04 | darsie | File/Open Location ... |
| 11:19.37 | darsie | I think it was gimp-libcurl in the past, but that packages no longer exists. |
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| 11:20.39 | iodev | Agiofws: or any other cloud platform |
| 11:20.46 | iodev | that'll let you render in the cloud :-) |
| 11:21.21 | Agiofws | usually those are paid services? |
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| 11:23.30 | iodev | Agiofws: yeah, but it'll cost you a small amount |
| 11:23.54 | iodev | for instance, whenever I want to build Android, I don't waste 10 hours on my own PC |
| 11:24.10 | iodev | I just get a 1$/hour 36-core machine, and it compiles in 22 minutes |
| 11:24.30 | iodev | so I pay, a bit under a $ |
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| 11:25.02 | ssarah | hi i wanted to turn this into a debian packages, whats the easy way to do it? https://github.com/jart/hiptext |
| 11:25.29 | iodev | checkinstall |
| 11:25.51 | iodev | CheckInstall keeps track of all the files created or modified by your installation script, builds a standard binary package (.deb, .rpm, .tgz) and installs it in your system giving you the ability to uninstall it with your distribution's standard package management utilities. |
| 11:26.15 | iodev | if you use checkinstall and your program uses make/make install/configure process, then it makes a deb out of that |
| 11:26.54 | darsie | Would porting gimp-libcurl from an older debian help? |
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| 11:27.27 | iodev | darsie: no, I don't think so |
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| 11:28.33 | darsie | gimp-gnomevfs doesn't exist, either. |
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| 11:33.20 | darsie | I give up. |
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| 11:53.24 | domovoy | hi, i'm trying to preseed partman for debian installer, using this: https://pastebin.com/K0NUD3m5 . The installer tells me "partman-auto: Available disk space (2147) too small for expert recipe (2884); skipping". How come? the space needed should be 1980 + 64 + 30 = 2074. If i remove the /usr LV, it doesn't complain |
| 11:54.01 | darsie | reportbug says my gimp is out of date. Should I backport gimp? |
| 11:54.33 | darsie | Is debian/stable out of date? |
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| 11:55.02 | jelly | reportbug is kind of dumb that way and considers versions from sid |
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| 11:55.15 | darsie | k |
| 11:56.00 | jelly | it's just saying that because some bugs may be fixed in newer releases, and if your issue is one of those bugs then yes, doing a backport might fix it |
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| 11:56.18 | swati_27_ | hi |
| 11:56.37 | swati_27_ | I've file system path as /media/slodha/local-ssd |
| 11:56.53 | swati_27_ | I wish to unmount local-ssd to root folder |
| 11:57.00 | swati_27_ | Could anyone please help? |
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| 11:58.20 | BanHammor | i don't think i understand you. do you mean that you have an SSD that you want to mount as /? |
| 11:58.27 | darsie | dpkg says about <debian-backports> ... or the current stable (see <jessie backports>) ... |
| 11:58.27 | dpkg | darsie: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 11:58.52 | swati_27_ | BanHammor: Yeah right |
| 11:59.05 | swati_27_ | It was there previously before I upgraded to debian 9 |
| 11:59.14 | swati_27_ | earlier path : /local-ssd |
| 11:59.19 | darsie | should be changed to stretch. |
| 11:59.25 | swati_27_ | after upgrade /media/slodha/local-ssd |
| 11:59.45 | BanHammor | man 5 fstab |
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| 12:01.16 | swati_27_ | I don't have any knowledge. could you please help? |
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| 12:03.51 | swati_27_ | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/1I5BILQR/ |
| 12:04.33 | swati_27_ | BanHammor: local-ssd isn't mentioned here |
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| 12:06.02 | BanHammor | of course it isn't |
| 12:06.20 | BanHammor | but the manual describes the format of the /etc/fstab file |
| 12:06.27 | swati_27_ | yeah right |
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| 12:07.11 | BanHammor | if you put your ssd in there it will automount on boot in that location |
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| 12:08.22 | theguyfromthebus | hi |
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| 12:10.05 | swati_27_ | but it's already mounted somewhere else |
| 12:10.13 | swati_27_ | ot won't cause loss of data? |
| 12:10.17 | swati_27_ | *it |
| 12:10.22 | BanHammor | it will only mount there on reboot |
| 12:10.23 | theguyfromthebus | I have a problem which I can't solve. I would like to allow SSH on a server with active OpenVPN. I tried 'ip route add default dev eth0 via default_gateway table 3412' but still can't connect to the server.... |
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| 12:10.54 | swati_27_ | BanHammor: and how do I fill all the fields for my ssd? |
| 12:11.03 | BanHammor | well, you read the manual. |
| 12:11.11 | theguyfromthebus | if I close the OpenVPN connection I can ssh to the serve without any problem. |
| 12:11.14 | swati_27_ | using "umount" and "mount" won't help in this case? |
| 12:11.30 | BanHammor | the output of the mount command without arguments will also help |
| 12:11.36 | BanHammor | at least, with the first field |
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| 12:12.35 | swati_27_ | i didn't get you |
| 12:12.42 | swati_27_ | could you please elaborate |
| 12:13.26 | darsie | Hmm, but gimp consists of many packages, right? Would backporting gimp fix the broken 'File/Open Location...'? |
| 12:13.33 | BanHammor | type in "man 5 fstab" and find a detailed manual on how to make an entry into fstab |
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| 12:13.58 | BanHammor | this will also help: https://wiki.debian.org/fstab |
| 12:14.20 | darsie | Hmm, not so many packages. |
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| 12:15.43 | darsie | aptitude build-dep gimp says: Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Depends: libtiff-dev |
| 12:16.28 | BanHammor | gimp also depends on a bunch of GTK libraries that need to be up to date |
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| 12:17.09 | theguyfromthebus | actually I tried to change "dev eth0" to "dev eno1" |
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| 12:18.12 | domovoy | i'm trying to preseed partman for debian installer, using this: https://pastebin.com/K0NUD3m5 . The installer tells me "partman-auto: Available disk space (2147) too small for expert recipe (2884); skipping". How come? the space needed should be 1980 + 64 + 30 = 2074. |
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| 12:25.25 | BanHammor | theguyfromthebus, it's a routing issue, you're on the right track - check that the output of "ip route" is sane. |
| 12:25.38 | BanHammor | (i don't have any further expertise, sadly) |
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| 12:31.28 | theguyfromthebus | BanHammor Thank you. It's working now :) |
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| 12:50.14 | nvzn | hi, i'm trying to configure a headless device to automatically get a dhcp address when an ethernet cable is plugged in to it's NIC, without having to reboot. It's running stretch which I migrated from jessie. How should I do this? |
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| 12:52.10 | Brigo | nvzn, it is the behaviour by default |
| 12:52.24 | nvzn | Brigo: seems broken to me then |
| 12:52.51 | jelly | nvzn: pastebin contents of your /etc/network/interfaces, and output of "ip a" and "ip r" |
| 12:52.55 | Brigo | what is managing the ethernet? |
| 12:53.08 | nvzn | Brigo: systemd networking? |
| 12:53.18 | nvzn | jelly: it's empty |
| 12:53.41 | nvzn | jelly: my configs are all in /etc/systemd/network/*.network |
| 12:53.46 | Brigo | nvzn, i think in debian it is not the default |
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| 12:54.02 | Brigo | nvzn, network manager is not installed? |
| 12:54.21 | nvzn | Brigo: no, i don't believe so, this is a small embedded device, no GUI |
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| 12:55.28 | Brigo | i guess if systemd is managing the network, it should be a networkd stance running, right? |
| 12:55.52 | nvzn | yes |
| 12:56.16 | Brigo | can you find it? |
| 12:56.37 | nvzn | find what, sorry? |
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| 12:56.47 | nvzn | the process? |
| 12:56.47 | Brigo | a networkd running |
| 12:56.50 | nvzn | yes |
| 12:56.52 | Brigo | with ps |
| 12:56.54 | nvzn | yes |
| 12:56.57 | nvzn | it's there |
| 12:57.04 | jelly | how did you install debian? |
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| 12:57.27 | Brigo | ok, then you have to configure it right, and i have never done such thing. |
| 12:57.34 | jelly | in any case I'm clueless about networkd so I won't comment on this more |
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| 12:57.46 | nvzn | ok |
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| 12:58.20 | nvzn | anyone else know? |
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| 12:59.00 | jelly | nvzn: you might try and ask in the upstream #systemd channel if noone answers here |
| 12:59.21 | Brigo | i guess in internet should be plenty of examples. |
| 12:59.31 | nvzn | yeah i think there's also a debian-systemd channel on ofts |
| 12:59.33 | nvzn | oftc |
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| 12:59.39 | nvzn | Brigo: i've been looking |
| 13:00.11 | jelly | I'd say "man networkd" but there is no such thing |
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| 13:00.38 | jelly | can't even tell people to RTFM |
| 13:00.49 | cmm11 | WTFM ? |
| 13:01.00 | cmm11 | ;) |
| 13:01.01 | jelly | exactly |
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| 13:01.15 | jelly | WFM really |
| 13:01.24 | Brigo | mand networkd.conf exists. |
| 13:01.31 | Haohmaru | imagine there is a FM and RTFM |
| 13:01.39 | Brigo | man* |
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| 13:02.34 | ebrasca | Hi |
| 13:02.47 | ebrasca | Can I install debian on talos II system? |
| 13:02.53 | Brigo | na there is a systemd.network |
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| 13:06.35 | BanHammor | ebrasca, supposedly ppc64el supports power9 |
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| 13:06.58 | BanHammor | but whether you'll be able to install it, and how, is anyone's guess |
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| 13:07.07 | domovoy | i'm trying to preseed partman for debian installer, using this: https://pastebin.com/K0NUD3m5 . The installer tells me "partman-auto: Available disk space (2147) too small for expert recipe (2884); skipping". How come? the space needed should be 1980 + 64 + 30 = 2074. |
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| 13:07.48 | ebrasca | Can I install debian from usb? |
| 13:08.37 | BanHammor | on x86/x64, you can |
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| 13:09.21 | BanHammor | consult the manufacturer on how to do that on POWER |
| 13:09.30 | ebrasca | BanHammor: I know I can install it with usb in x86/x64. |
| 13:11.00 | BanHammor | the manual for ppc64el suggests you use debootstrap from an existing Linux installation on that machine |
| 13:12.11 | ebrasca | I have never install with debootstrap |
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| 13:22.07 | ebrasca | BanHammor: mmm download and test |
| 13:22.23 | ebrasca | BanHammor: Thanks you |
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| 13:27.37 | domovoy | i'm trying to preseed partman for debian installer, using this: https://pastebin.com/K0NUD3m5 . The installer tells me "partman-auto: Available disk space (2147) too small for expert recipe (2884); skipping". How come? the space needed should be 1980 + 64 + 30 = 2074. |
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| 13:41.49 | Zhroglk | hi my xorg crash in loop how can i get log ? /var/log/x11 there is nothing |
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| 13:42.07 | Zhroglk | journal -xe also nothing |
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| 13:43.21 | BanHammor | i think it should be Xorg.0.log instead of x11 |
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| 13:43.37 | BanHammor | there is also ~/.Xsession-errors |
| 13:43.55 | Zhroglk | Xorg.0.log no error |
| 13:44.36 | Zhroglk | and now Xsession-errors doesnt exist |
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| 13:54.47 | siodor | hello everyone, if I have two tmpfs each ~500MB and the machine has 1GB of RAM, what happens if one of them gets filled and will the occupied RAM be released again after the files in tmpfs got deleted? |
| 13:56.39 | darsie | siodor: IIRC, yes. |
| 13:57.08 | jelly | siodor: 1) you'll have 500MB less (ram+swap) 2) yes |
| 13:57.29 | jelly | tmpfs is backed by ram and swap, not just ram |
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| 13:57.51 | darsie | What do you mean 'filled'? Does tmpfs have a configured limit? |
| 13:58.42 | jelly | it can have a configured limit, if none is configured the kernel assigns one at mount time |
| 13:59.15 | jelly | (half the RAM by default I think) |
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| 14:04.27 | siodor | jelly, ah, now I know why they're 500MB in size, thanks :-) |
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| 14:05.23 | siodor | jelly, I think this answered my question :-) |
| 14:05.27 | siodor | jelly, thanks |
| 14:05.37 | siodor | have a nice evening everyone |
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| 14:18.11 | squarecircle | is it ok, that my debian allocates some 5/8GB swap if I'm using vms? |
| 14:18.31 | PerfDave | squarecircle: Probably yes. |
| 14:18.42 | PerfDave | Linux will move stuff to swap if it's not being used, to free up RAM for instant allocation. |
| 14:19.05 | PerfDave | If you try to use more RAM than you have, then you'll end up constantly reading/writing swap ("thrashing") which can slow things down. |
| 14:19.12 | squarecircle | PerfDave: 3/8GB RAM are allocated and I have the feeling, that the machine is quite slow |
| 14:19.40 | BanHammor | you can dump swap to ram and see how things run via swapoff -a |
| 14:20.04 | squarecircle | BanHammor: hm |
| 14:20.16 | BanHammor | though 5/8 GB swapped is a lot |
| 14:20.34 | PerfDave | If things start to get OOMkilled after swapoff, you need more RAM :) |
| 14:20.37 | squarecircle | and 3/8GB RAM allocation is less then expected |
| 14:20.43 | PerfDave | squarecircle: How much RAM do your VMs have assigned? |
| 14:21.06 | squarecircle | 6x1GB, 1x2GB |
| 14:22.22 | PerfDave | So you have 8GB in your machine, and have allocated 8GB to VMs and you're surprised things are swapping? |
| 14:22.59 | squarecircle | doestn kvm supports ballooning? |
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| 14:23.50 | squarecircle | PerfDave: it even was terribly slow, when allocation was around 4GB |
| 14:24.10 | Kelsar | squarecircle: what has ballooning to do with it? |
| 14:24.13 | squarecircle | but this may also originate from the CentOS guests |
| 14:24.14 | BanHammor | it does support ballooning, but it needs to be supported clientside |
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| 14:24.27 | squarecircle | CentOS is a horrible piece of satanic software |
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| 14:24.56 | PerfDave | Worth working out /why/ it's slow then. If it's slow because you're thrashing disk because of swap, that's one thing. |
| 14:25.05 | PerfDave | Might be disk I/O to non-swap, might be CPU load. |
| 14:25.11 | squarecircle | Kelsar: if I understand ballooning right, only the currently used memory is allocated |
| 14:25.33 | squarecircle | Kelsar: so idling CentOS vms should not use more then 100-400MB RAM each |
| 14:25.40 | squarecircle | Kelsar: at least I thought so |
| 14:26.04 | Kelsar | squarecircle: normal ballooning is manual |
| 14:26.21 | Kelsar | you need additional components to make it automatic |
| 14:26.29 | Kelsar | inside the vm |
| 14:26.35 | squarecircle | meh |
| 14:26.36 | squarecircle | ok |
| 14:26.53 | PerfDave | https://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Projects/auto-ballooning |
| 14:27.08 | Kelsar | this ^ |
| 14:27.15 | PerfDave | FWIW my Debian 9 host has VMs with "-device virtio-balloon-pci" |
| 14:28.03 | karlpinc | squarecircle: vmstat is your friend |
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| 14:28.30 | squarecircle | ok |
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| 14:29.12 | PerfDave | Also virt-top |
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| 15:06.18 | ebrasca | How to install debian on talos II? |
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| 15:07.42 | JordiGH | It looks like my microphone is muted when I plug in my headphones. |
| 15:07.58 | JordiGH | Any idea how to fix this? I don't know where to begin. |
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| 15:16.28 | frain | Hi guys. I am experiencing a weird issue. 9.4 (stretch), when copying files from usb to ntfs disc get Error splicing file: Input/output error. Bought a new disk, formated it as ext4, still getting the error :/, same with cp file dest |
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| 15:17.12 | jelly | frain: does the disk spin down during copying? Are you using an usb3 port? Perhaps there's not enough power. |
| 15:17.23 | frain | i added disks to /etc/fstab as UUID=6- /media/data2 ext4 defaults 0 0 |
| 15:17.25 | king_crimson | Hi, how do I go about investigating a sudden shutdown on my home server while I was away? Its uptime was about 6 days, then one morning I noticed it wasn't running. |
| 15:17.41 | frain | jelly, its not power issue |
| 15:17.45 | jelly | frain: look at /var/log/kern.log, or "dmesg" command output, to see if the usb device disconnected |
| 15:18.38 | frain | indeed it did |
| 15:18.48 | jelly | frain: pastebin everything from that, from the point you plug the device in to the point you get the io error |
| 15:19.15 | jelly | so it might be some sort of usb issue |
| 15:19.41 | frain | https://pastebin.com/raw/YD5NxPPs |
| 15:20.20 | frain | Both usb's worked before on same pc running debian, had windows on briefly and got backk to _identical_ isntall, usbs not working xd |
| 15:20.37 | jelly | [29678.443543] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdd] tag#0 Sense Key : Not Ready [current] |
| 15:20.37 | jelly | [29678.443546] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdd] tag#0 Add. Sense: Medium not present |
| 15:21.14 | jelly | frain: is this a laptop or a desktop? Can you try a different usb port? |
| 15:21.34 | frain | desktop, its same on all 6 usb ports |
| 15:21.56 | frain | i suspect it might have something with automounting since i never had usb problems on this pc before |
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| 15:22.23 | jelly | that scsi error is weird and happens 4 times before the disconnect |
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| 15:23.43 | frain | :[ should i go for clean install perhaps? been chasing this bug for days now but cant find anything on exchanges/forums/docs |
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| 15:23.57 | jelly | why would a clean install make any difference |
| 15:24.24 | frain | No idea mate, I m hopeless atm, with an extra disk that doesnt work either |
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| 15:24.32 | jelly | this isn't windows, you're going to end up with the same kernel and same drivers and they're not going to behave any different |
| 15:24.54 | jelly | frain: if you have an older kernel to boot, you can try that |
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| 15:25.24 | jelly | hoping it's a driver regression |
| 15:25.58 | frain | ...I dont have older kernel |
| 15:25.59 | jelly | 8GB is not a lot. Is this a card reader or an usb stick? |
| 15:26.16 | jelly | frain: which debian release is this? |
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| 15:26.26 | jelly | what does uname -r say? |
| 15:26.37 | jelly | (those are two different questions) |
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| 15:27.34 | frain | usb, one is 8gb other one 30gb. stretch 9.4, 4.9.0-6-amd64 |
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| 15:27.45 | frain | xfce version if that means anything. |
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| 15:32.23 | jelly | frain: try adding "deb http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20180210T101430Z/ stretch main" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, run apt-get update, install old linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64 and boot that |
| 15:32.48 | jelly | if that works, you'll have to file a bug report for the newer kernel |
| 15:33.24 | frain | will do, how do i rever back if its not ? |
| 15:33.45 | jelly | you just boot the newer, default one |
| 15:35.32 | frain | be back after boot |
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| 15:51.23 | snugger | Does apt automatically remove unused dependencies of a package when removing a package? |
| 15:51.38 | snugger | I could've worded that better |
| 15:51.49 | petn-randall | snugger: no |
| 15:51.55 | snugger | Do I have to apt autoremove a package to remove all its dependencies that aren't used by another package? |
| 15:52.03 | petn-randall | snugger: yes |
| 15:52.12 | frain | jelly, coulnt startx with old kernel but i have mounted usb with udisksctl and cp still failed with io error |
| 15:52.16 | snugger | Aptitude fixes that, right? |
| 15:53.53 | snugger | I honestly don't know why apt doesn't do that by default. |
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| 15:55.22 | petn-randall | snugger: Because there are many pitfalls and little benefit to it. |
| 15:55.39 | petn-randall | snugger: However, you can configure apt to do that on every install/remove. |
| 15:55.50 | snugger | Having unused packages just sitting there on your system is annoying |
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| 15:56.19 | greycat | It's literally not annoying at all if you never see them, never know they are there, never need that bit of disk space for anything else. |
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| 15:57.40 | petn-randall | snugger: Configuration Item: APT::Get::AutomaticRemove. |
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| 15:57.52 | snugger | petn-randall: Thanks |
| 15:58.09 | petn-randall | snugger: Nobody will even notice. However, users will notice if their last working kernel gets autoremoved. |
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| 15:58.27 | ebrasca | How to install debian on Talos II? |
| 15:59.32 | ebrasca | I have try to install debian ppc64el but give strange errors. |
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| 16:00.27 | BanHammor | ebrasca, what kind of "strange errors"? |
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| 16:01.56 | ebrasca | BanHammor: I don't remember. |
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| 16:02.04 | jelly | petn-randall: kernels are excluded from autoremove. |
| 16:02.15 | petn-randall | Oh right. |
| 16:02.49 | BanHammor | i can't help if your description is vague |
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| 16:03.09 | petn-randall | However, if another package recommends an auto-installed package, it won't get removed again. So the presumption that installing A, removing A and running apt-get autoremove will get you back to your state before installation is wrong anyway. |
| 16:03.11 | jelly | what's more annoying is debian gleefully overwriting your working kernel with a new one with same ABI |
| 16:03.20 | ebrasca | BanHammor: Give some time and I probably can get errors from talos. |
| 16:03.26 | jelly | making most modules not work any more |
| 16:04.00 | BanHammor | jelly, -all- kernels? do you mean that debian will accumulate kernels forever? |
| 16:04.30 | greycat | It can. |
| 16:04.30 | jelly | BanHammor: pretty much |
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| 16:05.49 | jelly | BanHammor: maybe there are provisions to remove kernels older than release-2 during the release upgrade now, dunno |
| 16:06.22 | greycat | If you use that autoremove nonsense, it tries to keep at least 2 kernels at all times, I think. By default. |
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| 16:07.06 | ebrasca | BanHammor: one is " [8.038354] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#8 stuck for 23s| [swpper/0:1] " |
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| 16:08.56 | BanHammor | are you using Debian's linux kernel? |
| 16:10.26 | ebrasca | BanHammor: Probably yes. |
| 16:11.05 | BanHammor | how did you install Debian on the device? |
| 16:11.59 | ebrasca | BanHammor: I try to install it with usb. |
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| 16:15.31 | ebrasca | BanHammor: sudo dd if=debian-9.4.0-ppc64el-xfce-CD-1.iso of=/dev/sdc status=progress |
| 16:15.58 | ebrasca | BanHammor: Then I put usb to talos II and chose expert install |
| 16:16.07 | BanHammor | i'm a little taken aback that it worked? |
| 16:16.21 | frain | jelly, what do i do |
| 16:16.35 | ebrasca | BanHammor: But after chosing expert mode it start giving errors. |
| 16:16.42 | BanHammor | i have no idea what the situation with bootloaders even is on POWER |
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| 16:17.09 | jelly | frain: no idea. Does it work in windows? |
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| 16:17.19 | frain | yeah... |
| 16:18.09 | ebrasca | BanHammor: start with : reserved mem: not enough space all defined regions. |
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| 16:18.47 | BanHammor | you will for-sure receive more help if you study the manufacturer's documentation or talk to the manufacturer directly |
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| 16:19.47 | ebrasca | BanHammor: I have read talosII documentation. |
| 16:20.30 | frain | so i split file into 7zip part files, each 734 mb big, if i transfer them individualy everything is ok but as soon i batch move them stuff breaks. furthermore some transfer fast and others incredibly slow, even thought there are same file in essence |
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| 16:21.04 | BanHammor | ebrasca, does it have instructions on installing your own flavor of linux? |
| 16:21.09 | frain | ...now i m getting random io erros with individual files as well, jelly |
| 16:21.23 | frain | its so random |
| 16:22.12 | ebrasca | BanHammor: Don't remember , I go check it againg. |
| 16:23.46 | jelly | frain: if you did not do a power-cycle between using windows and linux, try that and see if it resets the state of usb controller back to something linux kernel can deal better with |
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| 16:24.28 | BanHammor | because it seems to me like they might be rolling their own kernel for their CPU's features. |
| 16:24.40 | frain | i dont have windows on my disks anymore tho. i also think this error is io time related, ill stopwatch it |
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| 16:27.57 | jelly | frain: okay, but did you have an actual power cycle or not, it might be interesting to try it |
| 16:28.32 | jelly | power off, disconnect the power or push the wee button on the power supply, the whole thing |
| 16:29.13 | frain | jelly, i did. also i just had 8Gb file go through 150mb/s, tried it again, it falled down to 20mb/s and finally had io error, that 20mb/s is some magical number |
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| 16:30.27 | jelly | frain: you'll have to use O_DIRECT otherwise avoid memory write cache if you want to measure what's actually going down to the device |
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| 16:31.28 | jelly | or mount the device with -o sync |
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| 16:31.57 | frain | ok, I'll try |
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| 16:33.46 | no_gravity | When I split screen inside of screen, how do I know if I split the inner screen or the outer screen? |
| 16:34.06 | no_gravity | Let's see how Google answers that... |
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| 16:35.12 | jelly | no_gravity: did you use the control character for the outer session or the inner session? |
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| 16:36.03 | jelly | if you're nesting screen with same control character you have to escape it to send to the inner one |
| 16:36.03 | no_gravity | jelly: How do you mean? I just pressed CTRL+a | |
| 16:36.19 | no_gravity | jelly: Aha, so I split the outer screen? |
| 16:36.23 | jelly | no_gravity: yes |
| 16:36.32 | no_gravity | Is there a way to test that hypothesis? |
| 16:36.56 | jelly | if you want to send commands to the inner session you'd have to ctrl-a a something |
| 16:37.22 | jelly | or use different control character for outer and inner screen |
| 16:37.45 | no_gravity | Ok, but after doing so - how do I know it worked? |
| 16:37.56 | no_gravity | How do I know I split the inner screen and not the outter screen? |
| 16:37.59 | jelly | screen -e^V^Bb -S SessionWithControlB |
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| 16:38.32 | ebrasca | BanHammor: I can't read anithing about how to install other distros. |
| 16:38.48 | jelly | no_gravity: dunno, but if you use different -e you won't have to worry |
| 16:39.35 | no_gravity | I want to worry. |
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| 16:40.05 | jelly | that's not what the song recommends |
| 16:40.41 | no_gravity | What's also confusing is that when I type screen inside of screen, I see '0*$ bash 1-$ bash' on the bottom. What does that mean? |
| 16:42.23 | jelly | that just opens a new window in the current sessions |
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| 16:42.29 | jelly | session |
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| 16:42.54 | jelly | the status line tells you you have two windows in this session |
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| 16:43.12 | jelly | one on ^a 0 the other on ^a 1 |
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| 16:43.26 | jelly | 0 being active right now |
| 16:43.28 | no_gravity | Ok, so how do I start screen in screen then? |
| 16:44.04 | jelly | tell it to start a completely new session, eg. by naming it (-S ...) |
| 16:44.13 | jelly | why would you want to do that? |
| 16:44.27 | no_gravity | Aha! |
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| 16:44.45 | no_gravity | Why? So I can look at a split screen with my coworker. In a multiuser screen session. |
| 16:45.13 | Chars | timriker? |
| 16:45.19 | no_gravity | Ha! It works! |
| 16:45.27 | no_gravity | I'm looking at a split screen in screen :) |
| 16:45.31 | jelly | no_gravity: why can't they just attach to your one session? |
| 16:46.10 | no_gravity | jelly: They do. But now we want to have vim on the left and a commandline on the right. |
| 16:46.14 | jelly | Chars: is seldom present in these parts these days |
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| 16:46.26 | Chars | <Chars> the infobot |
| 16:46.27 | Chars | <Chars> log all connection |
| 16:46.27 | Chars | <Chars> on infobot.rikers.org |
| 16:46.27 | Chars | <Chars> please |
| 16:46.27 | Chars | <blast007> that's not related to BZFlag then |
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| 16:46.29 | no_gravity | jelly: So we can code on the left and execute the code on the right. |
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| 16:46.38 | Chars | <Chars> i finish the ddos |
| 16:46.39 | Chars | <Chars> on rikers.org |
| 16:46.46 | jelly | lol |
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| 16:47.12 | cornel | hello |
| 16:47.13 | Chars | please bro |
| 16:47.14 | Chars | dont kill me |
| 16:47.18 | Chars | i have an emergency |
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| 16:47.33 | jelly | Chars: use paste.debian.net to paste more than 2-3 lines. |
| 16:47.46 | cornel | is debian 9 working with nvidia driver 173.* ? |
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| 16:49.00 | BanHammor | cornel, it doesn't have 173.*, but it has support for these: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/304.135/README/supportedchips.html |
| 16:49.22 | jelly | cornel: no, earliest legacy release is 304xx |
| 16:49.53 | jelly | ,v nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms |
| 16:49.54 | judd | Package: nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 304.135-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 304.135-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 304.137-5~bpo9+1; jessie-backports/non-free: 304.137-5~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 304.137-5~deb9u1; buster/non-free: 304.137-5; sid/non-free: 304.137-5 |
| 16:50.08 | jelly | ,v nvidia-legacy-173xx-kernel-dkms |
| 16:50.09 | judd | Package: nvidia-legacy-173xx-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 173.14.39-2~bpo70+1 |
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| 16:51.04 | cornel | jelly, does this mean it does have it? |
| 16:51.12 | jelly | cornel: looks like you're screwed if you need 173.x, last existed in debian 7 and that one will probably be EOL'd in a month |
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| 16:51.23 | cornel | jelly, oh :) |
| 16:51.26 | jelly | wheezy = debian 7 |
| 16:51.26 | cornel | thank you |
| 16:51.36 | jelly | stretch = debian 9 = current release |
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| 16:51.40 | Chars | https://zerobin.net/?7e8f82e3c7cfe8ec#ckENAC5QUwoCEAtdEbIF5Yi/DlcPBr3VPostS5pu4sc= |
| 16:51.43 | Chars | jelly |
| 16:51.45 | cornel | thank you BanHammor , jelly |
| 16:51.45 | Chars | look here |
| 16:52.09 | karlpinc | cornel: Is there no free software driver? |
| 16:52.16 | cornel | i have this old pc with two GB of ram and dual core x64 processor, my heart breaks if i have to throw it away :) |
| 16:52.35 | cornel | karlpinc, performance is not that great with nouveau |
| 16:52.41 | karlpinc | cornel: It's usually only the manufacture supplied drivers that are not maintained. The free ones tend to keep working. |
| 16:52.56 | karlpinc | cornel: Might work better with newer free software. |
| 16:52.58 | BanHammor | what's the GPU, cornel? |
| 16:53.21 | jelly | Chars: if you've DDoSed tim off the net it will be hard for you to contact them and ask to remove any affected logs, won't it |
| 16:53.28 | cornel | BanHammor, NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] [10de:0322] |
| 16:53.35 | jelly | Chars: chicken and egg problem |
| 16:53.50 | BanHammor | oof, i'm pretty sure a toaster has better performance than that one :P |
| 16:53.57 | cornel | :D |
| 16:54.31 | Chars | I'm just intriguing the cops |
| 16:55.28 | cornel | i'll try debian 9 first and see how it behaves |
| 16:55.41 | cornel | i expect it will bve lighter than fedora 28 on this hardware |
| 16:55.55 | jelly | cornel: that card is useless for 3D, but it might work a-ok with a 2D GUI like xfce |
| 16:56.15 | cornel | jelly, hat i've learned through great pains |
| 16:56.20 | cornel | T* |
| 16:56.24 | jelly | we junked a couple GT7300 a few years back |
| 16:56.39 | jelly | or some other letters next to 7300 |
| 16:57.16 | Chars | bye |
| 16:57.25 | cornel | none on pci legacy, right? |
| 17:00.04 | cornel | hm, i wonder, the netinst image has support for this? RAID bus controller [0104]: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3512 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller [1095:3512] (rev 01) |
| 17:00.15 | cornel | but i guess i'll find out :) |
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| 17:00.37 | greycat | ,pciid 1095:3512 |
| 17:00.38 | judd | [1095:3512] is 'SiI 3512 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller' from 'Silicon Image, Inc.' with kernel module 'sata-sil' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1095:3512 |
| 17:01.00 | cornel | a lot of tricks you know and i don't |
| 17:01.22 | cornel | is stretch debian 8? |
| 17:01.29 | jelly | !stretch |
| 17:01.30 | dpkg | Stretch is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch . Ask me about <install stretch>, <release notes>, <jessie->stretch>. |
| 17:01.41 | cornel | great |
| 17:01.43 | cornel | thanks a lot! |
| 17:02.31 | jelly | sii3512 is an old sata chip and should be supported on any recent linux |
| 17:03.41 | frain | thank you for help jelly. zz |
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| 17:07.34 | cornel | thanks again, BanHammor , jelly, greycat |
| 17:07.42 | cornel | gotta reboot to fix this machine |
| 17:07.47 | cornel | bye |
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| 17:15.17 | no_gravity | Which command(s) do you fire off in the terminal to upgrade a debian 8 machine to debian 9? |
| 17:15.18 | domovoy | preseeding a debian installer, is there a way to bypass partman and create the partitions from a script? |
| 17:16.19 | greycat | !jessie->stretch |
| 17:16.24 | greycat | dpkg, jessie->stretch |
| 17:16.33 | greycat | dpkg, jessie->stretch |
| 17:16.33 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
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| 17:16.55 | BanHammor | pretty much yeah |
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| 17:53.34 | roylaprattep | Anyone did the upgrade jessie > stretch successfully? |
| 17:53.45 | greycat | Yes. Many, many people. |
| 17:53.50 | roylaprattep | Sweet. |
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| 17:54.06 | zerocool | roylaprattep: i have done... one successfully and man was it a jacked up setup... went without a hitch |
| 17:54.26 | zerocool | by one successfully i mean one ever and it was successful |
| 17:54.27 | roylaprattep | jacked up setup? |
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| 17:55.20 | roylaprattep | I just don't know yet if it's worth it for me. |
| 17:55.20 | zerocool | yeah like many layers of encrypted volumes, kernel from backports, etc. |
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| 17:56.34 | zerocool | i just pointed apt at stable and told it to upgrade... i had to enter single user mode once to deal with the kernel issue i think but... it was all pretty straight forward... my guess is that if it wasn't such a weird setup I would have not had an issue at all |
| 17:57.38 | roylaprattep | Sweet. Debian developpers are Jedi. |
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| 18:01.10 | emu_rider | Upgrade to Sid, like me, and enjoy never having to worry about moving to the next release :P |
| 18:01.47 | roylaprattep | Haha. It's a production server, so no. :P |
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| 18:02.55 | roylaprattep | Dunno if debian gonna be out of Toy Story's names soon, haha. |
| 18:04.20 | emu_rider | I'm pretty sure I've only watched one of the Toy Story movie once, |
| 18:04.25 | emu_rider | so I wouldn't know |
| 18:04.52 | greycat | I think they have several decades' worth of minor characters left. Plus however many other sequels come out. |
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| 18:06.29 | roylaprattep | Probably. I was kiddig. |
| 18:06.33 | roylaprattep | kidding* |
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| 18:06.47 | CannedSpinach | "If you use stable/testing/whatever as your running distribution, getting source from unstable won't affect it." |
| 18:06.52 | CannedSpinach | this is a quote from the build tutorial |
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| 18:06.57 | CannedSpinach | I have been advised that it is bad advice |
| 18:07.00 | CannedSpinach | can someone please clarify? |
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| 18:07.08 | jelly | !deb-src |
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| 18:07.08 | dpkg | You can have apt download the <source package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a "deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian sid main" does NOT make any binary packages available. Ask me about <source> <package recompile> <ssb>; make sure the "build-essential" package is installed. You might need linux-headers-$(uname -r) package installed. |
| 18:07.12 | greycat | deb-src lines from unstable are fine; that's how you create backports |
| 18:07.38 | CannedSpinach | so I can have a system that installs binaries from stable but source packages from unstable? |
| 18:07.43 | jelly | CannedSpinach: you may have misinterpreted the advice or they may have misunderstood your intent |
| 18:07.53 | Thedarkb | The firmware ISO has drivers for my card but I couldn't get it to work last time I tried Debian. |
| 18:07.54 | CannedSpinach | because that's what I was planning on doing and I was told I would break Debian |
| 18:07.59 | greycat | what are you trying to do>? |
| 18:08.00 | Thedarkb | Before I try it again, anyone know why? |
| 18:08.05 | Thedarkb | It kept getting softblocked. |
| 18:08.12 | Thedarkb | Client: HexChat 2.12.4 ⢠OS: Ubuntu "artful" 17.10 ⢠CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8600 @ 2.40GHz (2.23GHz) ⢠Memory: Physical: 5.6 GiB Total (4.0 GiB Free) Swap: 1.9 GiB Total (1.9 GiB Free) ⢠Storage: 138.4 GB / 165.5 GB (27.1 GB Free) ⢠VGA: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory Contr |
| 18:08.12 | Thedarkb | oller Hub ⢠Uptime: 19h 31m 0s |
| 18:08.19 | Thedarkb | I use Ubuntu and feel dirty because of it |
| 18:08.27 | roylaprattep | haha. |
| 18:08.27 | jelly | Thedarkb: which card? |
| 18:08.34 | CannedSpinach | greycat: I just want to have most of the components of my system from stable, but a few that I need cutting edge, I want to compile from source |
| 18:09.07 | Thedarkb | ipw2200 |
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| 18:09.13 | greycat | CannedSpinach: well, /msg dpkg ssb for the intro material. Not all backports CAN be built. |
| 18:09.15 | Thedarkb | I'm not putting Debian on this Laptop. |
| 18:09.23 | jelly | Thedarkb: that's rather old and ought to work |
| 18:09.24 | Thedarkb | Not yet anyway. |
| 18:09.30 | Thedarkb | It didn't last time. |
| 18:09.35 | CannedSpinach | greycat: would it be less of a pain just to get everything from unstable? |
| 18:09.35 | Thedarkb | It just kept getting soft blocked. |
| 18:09.58 | greycat | CannedSpinach: It entirely depends on *what* you are trying to build. |
| 18:10.06 | jelly | Thedarkb: I have no idea what soft blocked means (either in wifi context or other), sorry |
| 18:10.10 | CannedSpinach | greycat: for example, I need a later version of Python than Debian Stable offers |
| 18:10.13 | emu_rider | CannedSpinach: If you want only some cutting edge packages, you can pin apt preference |
| 18:10.32 | greycat | CannedSpinach: might be simpler just to build upstream tarballs instead of packages |
| 18:10.32 | emu_rider | Just have to edit some files in /etc/apt |
| 18:10.43 | CannedSpinach | greycat: what do you mean by that? |
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| 18:11.01 | greycat | If you don't know what that means, you're in WAY over your head |
| 18:11.07 | greycat | !upstream |
| 18:11.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, upstream is where Debian developers download software from. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/developer-duties#upstream-coordination |
| 18:11.19 | jelly | emu_rider: now _that_ is potentially bad advice |
| 18:12.01 | jelly | CannedSpinach: you can use pyenv to build whatever version of python you need if the system one is not good enough |
| 18:12.21 | CannedSpinach | greycat: wouldn't I want to build a package so I can use the package manager to uninstall/update it if need be? |
| 18:12.24 | CannedSpinach | or is that not what you're talking about? |
| 18:12.52 | greycat | CannedSpinach: packages of super-critical-important things like perl or python or libc are REALLY not a good idea; better to use /usr/local or /opt or python virtual envs or whatever. |
| 18:12.54 | jelly | just install python3.5 build-deps before dealing with pyenv |
| 18:13.07 | jelly | ,v python3 |
| 18:13.08 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.6.4-1; sid: 3.6.5-3 |
| 18:13.29 | emu_rider | jelly: yea I guess that depends on what they need from Sid |
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| 18:13.36 | jelly | emu_rider: NO |
| 18:14.18 | greycat | emu_rider: I agree with jelly. |
| 18:14.20 | jelly | emu_rider: one should really not add any deb (binary) repo line from a newer branch unless they know _exactly_ what they're doing and why |
| 18:14.23 | CannedSpinach | I need Python 3.6.4 minimally |
| 18:14.36 | jelly | emu_rider: and if they know, they won't be asking here |
| 18:15.20 | Logg_ | valid: backports, virtual machine, try building it yourself. invalid: mixing sid into stable |
| 18:16.17 | emu_rider | Yea I got tangled in a big dependency conflict once |
| 18:16.22 | CannedSpinach | gotcha, thanks |
| 18:16.29 | CannedSpinach | I'll probably just use a full unstable system then |
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| 18:16.30 | jelly | CannedSpinach: then go with pyenv (or a different way of building python interpreter from source into a separate prefix), or use a newer branch than debian 9 |
| 18:16.31 | emu_rider | Couldnt get out of it and just reinstalled |
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| 18:16.59 | CannedSpinach | I was hoping to get the benefits of stable and unstable at the same time |
| 18:17.07 | CannedSpinach | but if I have to choose one or the other I will just go with unstable |
| 18:17.11 | jelly | for devs at $work pyenv on stretch seems to be working alright |
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| 18:17.26 | Logg_ | I use a stable base system, then a virtual machine for anything that would compromise it CannedSpinach |
| 18:17.43 | CannedSpinach | jelly: I understand that but I don't know how many other fresh packages I'll want in the future |
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| 18:18.04 | CannedSpinach | for example I can't get temperature readings for my CPU without a kernel from a few months ago |
| 18:18.14 | greycat | you can use a backported kernel |
| 18:18.28 | Logg_ | I'm using 4.15 on stable for my graphics card |
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| 18:18.55 | jelly | CannedSpinach: yeah okay. But if you're going to build stuff that is supposed to work elsewhere, on someone's server, requiring unstable as environment may be problematic |
| 18:19.43 | CannedSpinach | jelly: can you elaborate please? I am not exactly sure what you're getting at |
| 18:19.54 | CannedSpinach | is your point that I should just use Stretch and not worry about the unstable branch at all? |
| 18:20.12 | greycat | How can a developer not understand this... |
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| 18:20.26 | jelly | CannedSpinach: my point is when you're a developer, presumably someone is going to use your software sooner or later |
| 18:20.27 | no_gravity | Hello! What was the link to update from Debian 8 to Debian 9 again? |
| 18:20.32 | Logg_ | if your python program depended on certain library versions that are only available in testing, then it would be problematic for the user of your program CannedSpinach |
| 18:20.35 | CannedSpinach | greycat: I am not a professional, to be fair |
| 18:20.35 | jelly | CannedSpinach: er, someone other than you |
| 18:20.49 | AndreasLutro | CannedSpinach: just use docker, or compile python yourself, or use a wrapper like pyenv which does it for you |
| 18:20.58 | CannedSpinach | oh, I understand |
| 18:21.00 | CannedSpinach | let me clarify |
| 18:21.03 | CannedSpinach | I am building a Discord bot |
| 18:21.06 | CannedSpinach | it only has to work on my server |
| 18:21.23 | CannedSpinach | the API I use requires a cutting edge Python |
| 18:21.25 | greycat | what os is your server running? |
| 18:21.59 | CannedSpinach | it's my friend's server but I believe he's just running an Ubuntu server |
| 18:22.05 | jelly | no_gravity: /msg dpkg jessie->stretch |
| 18:22.27 | no_gravity | jelly: Thanks! |
| 18:22.35 | greycat | Then don't you need to develop it using the tools that will be available on the target server? |
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| 18:22.55 | jelly | CannedSpinach: if you're targeting an ubuntu installation, why not build on the same ubuntu release |
| 18:23.07 | jelly | 18.04 LTS will have python 3.6 |
| 18:23.07 | CannedSpinach | he managed to get Python 3.6.4 running on his server |
| 18:23.19 | CannedSpinach | I personally am not a fan of Ubuntu |
| 18:23.22 | jelly | (17.10 has it as well, but is not LTS) |
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| 18:23.32 | CannedSpinach | and development of this bot is not the only use case for my machine |
| 18:23.52 | Logg_ | 18.04 is basically "out". don't know the exact date, but it's this week |
| 18:24.10 | greycat | Then perhaps what you actually want is an Ubuntu chroot to use for testing. |
| 18:24.20 | CannedSpinach | greycat: that could work |
| 18:25.18 | greycat | You also seem to have a serious case of SNS, so perhaps "Debian unstable" is what you want as your real OS, and then various chroots for testing deployments. |
| 18:25.42 | CannedSpinach | that is what I was thinking, although the chroot idea is new |
| 18:25.49 | CannedSpinach | I've been using Linux seriously for about six months |
| 18:25.51 | greycat | I imagine a lot of headaches as you discover that all your "6 minutes old" tools fail to work in every single server deployment.... |
| 18:26.13 | CannedSpinach | greycat: to be fair all I really wanted was the _option_ to use 6 minutes old tools |
| 18:26.21 | AndreasLutro | CannedSpinach: python is really easy to compile on debian. you can use pyenv if you don't want to figure out the configure/make invocations |
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| 18:26.32 | AndreasLutro | I switch between 3.5 and 3.6 all the time on stretch |
| 18:26.35 | Thedarkb | My wifi even gets softblocked in the installer. |
| 18:26.51 | no_gravity | When updating from Debian8 to Debian9, do I need to keep the jessie-backports line in sources.list? |
| 18:27.07 | greycat | no_gravity: what did the release notes say about it? |
| 18:27.09 | jelly | no_gravity: read the docs, your question is answered in there |
| 18:27.53 | jelly | if you don't want to read them, we're going to laugh at you when you come here with an easily avoidable problem |
| 18:27.59 | no_gravity | greycat, jelly: I don't see a suggestion about keeping the line. |
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| 18:28.16 | CannedSpinach | greycat: I am coming from an Arch install but considering switching to Debian as it seems like less of a hassle to maintain |
| 18:28.23 | no_gravity | I only see some info about what to do when packages that need backports create problems. |
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| 18:28.32 | no_gravity | But should I delete the line from the sources.list? |
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| 18:28.41 | CannedSpinach | I am under the impression that Debian Unstable will still be easier to maintain than Arch |
| 18:28.43 | jelly | CannedSpinach: sid is probably comparable to arch in terms of hassle |
| 18:29.12 | dr4ken | CannedSpinach, it is, specially if you do "sudo apt remove --purge systemd*" |
| 18:29.37 | emu_rider | jelly: Though you could upgrade to Unstable and just leave it as is right? |
| 18:29.37 | roylaprattep | apt-get* |
| 18:29.39 | greycat | (don't do that) |
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| 18:29.50 | petn-randall | CannedSpinach: If you want less hassle, you should go with stable. |
| 18:30.01 | CannedSpinach | but I want less hassle _and_ fresh packages |
| 18:30.05 | CannedSpinach | :( |
| 18:30.06 | Thedarkb | I'm just getting wlp2s2 link is not ready. |
| 18:30.06 | dr4ken | roylaprattep, apt front end to apt-get does work and come by default in debian |
| 18:30.19 | roylaprattep | dr4ken: Oh, ok. |
| 18:30.33 | dr4ken | CannedSpinach, less hassle and fresh packages? install lulbuntu |
| 18:30.37 | greycat | if you actually want to run sysvinit instead of systemd, /msg dpkg stretch sysvinit |
| 18:31.14 | no_gravity | Well, I will delete the jessie-backports line. |
| 18:31.19 | no_gravity | Let's see what happens... |
| 18:31.19 | petn-randall | CannedSpinach: well tested, or shiny new stuff. You get to pick one. |
| 18:31.31 | CannedSpinach | what about well tested and _some_ shiny new stuff |
| 18:31.43 | petn-randall | CannedSpinach: That's what backports are for. |
| 18:31.58 | greycat | ,v python3 |
| 18:31.59 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.6.4-1; sid: 3.6.5-3 |
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| 18:32.12 | greycat | no backports, so I guess everyone just uses this pyenv thing |
| 18:32.14 | dr4ken | CannedSpinach, by it's nature, new stuff is mroe unstable because it's more untested, you cannot expect to have an army of beta tester testing _exactly_ your soft and hardware configuration so they could debug any possible bugfix to you |
| 18:32.35 | dr4ken | CannedSpinach, that being said, debian unstable is fun enough for home computer |
| 18:32.55 | CannedSpinach | what if I just want most of my system to be well tested and stable but am comfortable with a few programs possibly being buggy |
| 18:32.59 | karlpinc | CannedSpinach: I tend to stick with stable, and use backports if I _need_ something new. |
| 18:33.10 | Thedarkb | Seems like Debian is giving me period correct issues for my card.... |
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| 18:33.22 | roylaprattep | karlpinc: Same here, still on Jessie with the backports repo enabled. |
| 18:33.56 | jelly | no_gravity: the text about unofficial sources and removing them before the process kind of applies to backports. But they're on .debian.org domain now which is used only for official resources so that's confusing. |
| 18:34.07 | karlpinc | CannedSpinach: The "debian way" is to fix/secure what's in stable by applying minimal security patches. That way new features, which change code and introduce new bugs, are left out. (Until the next release.) |
| 18:34.11 | emu_rider | I think im addicted to running `sudo apt update` |
| 18:34.32 | karlpinc | roylaprattep: (Nothing wrong with squeeze. :-) |
| 18:34.37 | no_gravity | jelly: Well, I removed the line... |
| 18:34.40 | no_gravity | Upgrade is running ... I give it a 50% chance of survival :) |
| 18:34.49 | greycat | karlpinc: (unless it's samba) (or bind9) (or ....) |
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| 18:35.48 | dr4ken | CannedSpinach, tbh, your description seems to be exactly what does unstable offer |
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| 18:36.17 | karlpinc | greycat: I can't keep track of what LTS support supports. But LTS runs out on squeeze next month anyway so no matter. |
| 18:36.21 | dr4ken | because is not like all the 90 GB of the unstable repo are composed by new programs never ever used before by humankind |
| 18:36.29 | greycat | you mean on wheezy |
| 18:36.31 | dr4ken | most of it are just newer versions with small bugfix of the rpevious one |
| 18:36.38 | jelly | no_gravity: you've at least skimmed thru https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#file-conflicts and other right? |
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| 18:36.53 | roylaprattep | karlpinc: Sure. |
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| 18:37.03 | greycat | But I wasn't talking about LTS. I was talking about regular security.debian.org updates to samba on stable. And having to edit smb.conf files because of all the shit they changed. |
| 18:37.12 | no_gravity | jelly: Yeah |
| 18:37.15 | no_gravity | Hmm... A new version of /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades is available. Keep or not. How do I know? |
| 18:37.32 | jelly | no_gravity: compare and draw a conclusion |
| 18:37.36 | roylaprattep | karlpinc: There is nothing wrong with any of the Debian's releases, there is only different needs. |
| 18:38.07 | jelly | no_gravity: if you haven't manually edited it, it might be sane to use the new version |
| 18:38.08 | CannedSpinach | dr4ken: yeah and honestly having been on Arch for a few months now it's not like using an unstable distro has caused me tons of grief. just a few minor annoyances here and there. |
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| 18:38.11 | karlpinc | CannedSpinach: Many find unstable to be plenty stable. But this also depends on where debian is in the release cycle. Unstable is very stable right before release of a new debian. |
| 18:38.19 | no_gravity | jelly: I'm not good at reading diffs, but it looks like only the comments have changed. |
| 18:38.56 | no_gravity | I will go with the new version... |
| 18:39.00 | karlpinc | greycat: I stay away from samba. |
| 18:39.01 | CannedSpinach | it seems to me, an uneducated observer, that the stable branch is mostly just for mission critical machines that can't afford to behave differently than expected even by a little bit |
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| 18:39.04 | jelly | no_gravity: you can use a second terminal and vimdiff or some other tool you're more comfortable with |
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| 18:39.19 | Logg_ | CannedSpinach, Stable is for people who want a Stable system. |
| 18:39.21 | jelly | CannedSpinach: my workstation is mission critical. |
| 18:39.38 | karlpinc | CannedSpinach: It's all a matter of taste. My workstation is mission critical too. |
| 18:39.48 | no_gravity | How is Debian financed? |
| 18:39.50 | Thedarkb | wpa_supplicant isn't seeing the driver. |
| 18:40.01 | jelly | CannedSpinach: can you afford to have your desktop broken for a couple days or hours? |
| 18:40.09 | CannedSpinach | jelly: totally |
| 18:40.12 | greycat | no_gravity: /msg dpkg spi |
| 18:40.16 | jelly | or have to restore from backups? |
| 18:40.17 | CannedSpinach | well, hours yes |
| 18:40.17 | karlpinc | CannedSpinach: Or, just at the wrong time right before a deadline. |
| 18:40.18 | CannedSpinach | days no |
| 18:40.41 | CannedSpinach | I'm not a professional anything, I'm just self-teaching programming |
| 18:40.47 | CannedSpinach | I work retail |
| 18:40.53 | karlpinc | Fear and Dread! Fear and Dread! ;-) |
| 18:40.53 | jelly | CannedSpinach: workaround: have two computers, never upgrade them at the same time |
| 18:40.54 | petn-randall | no_gravity: There's a non-profit behind it that does the finances. |
| 18:41.26 | CannedSpinach | I have an old laptop I already run Debian unstable on |
| 18:41.38 | Thedarkb | I don't understand the point of the firmware release if it won't actually load the firmware. |
| 18:41.38 | Logg_ | CannedSpinach: I say have fun, and report any bugs you find... Stable will be waiting for you if you get frustrated |
| 18:41.45 | CannedSpinach | thanks Logg_ |
| 18:41.58 | no_gravity | "Restart services during package upgrades without asking?" ... hmm. how do I know? |
| 18:41.59 | karlpinc | is supposed to have a spare computer laying around. Instead there's always a spare I'm using for something else I can spare if need-be. |
| 18:42.15 | no_gravity | Let's hope the default 'No' is the right answer... |
| 18:43.00 | no_gravity | Ah no, then I will get even more prompts... |
| 18:43.03 | karlpinc | no_gravity: It depends on who's using the daemon's services, and if they can go without during a restart. |
| 18:43.03 | Logg_ | no_gravity, generally it's fine to restart services. Only if you're in a mission-critical no-redundancy server environment would I worry about having services restart |
| 18:43.04 | no_gravity | Let's go with Yes... |
| 18:43.43 | no_gravity | karlpinc, Logg_: I see. It's a dev server only used by myself tonight. |
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| 18:43.49 | no_gravity | So I will go with Yes. |
| 18:43.52 | jelly | no_gravity: you're going to reboot at the end anyway |
| 18:44.06 | Thedarkb | Does anyone have any idea why it won't load the driver? |
| 18:44.07 | no_gravity | jelly: Yup. I give it a 50% chance of coming up :) |
| 18:44.20 | Thedarkb | I tried loading it via modprobe but wpa_supplicant isn't seeing it. |
| 18:44.32 | dr4ken | Logg_, precisely in thoise situation restarting a service is more funny |
| 18:44.35 | scwizard | Is there some means of checking if a list of packages has security updates via a web API? I'd like to check if I need to rebuild my debian based containers using an AWS lambda or similar |
| 18:44.39 | dr4ken | unless you are working there offcourse... |
| 18:44.53 | jelly | Thedarkb: can you pastebin your dmesg? |
| 18:45.06 | Thedarkb | Not without wifi I can't |
| 18:45.15 | jelly | no wired connection or usb stick? |
| 18:45.23 | Thedarkb | I'm still in the installer. |
| 18:45.32 | Thedarkb | It just gives me wlp2s2 link is not ready |
| 18:45.39 | Thedarkb | every... single... time... |
| 18:45.47 | Thedarkb | ...every single time I try Debian... |
| 18:45.48 | scwizard | of course you can check via a machine running debian via apt, but I was hoping there was a aws lambda I could use to poll such a thing |
| 18:45.57 | dr4ken | becuase it is not ready -_- maybe is one of those female nics that does need 5 min to dress up and dhcp herself |
| 18:46.02 | jelly | Thedarkb: do you know which specific iso image are you using? |
| 18:46.33 | Thedarkb | firmware-9.4.0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 18:46.44 | dr4ken | Thedarkb, which version have you tried? |
| 18:46.53 | Thedarkb | of? |
| 18:46.58 | Logg_ | not sure specific software scwizard, but you could have some cron job output apt output to a file in your webroot. secure with .htaccess if you're worried about that |
| 18:47.00 | jelly | eyes dr4ken |
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| 18:47.13 | tw | What's the apt option that prevents it from marking as manually installed? |
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| 18:47.31 | tw | I know if I want to unmark it, it's apt-mark auto <package> |
| 18:47.43 | karlpinc | scwizard: That's an interesting thought. For each package you'd have to supply a "update since when". There's surely a webapi that lists the latest package. I think. Because that's what happens when you search packages.debian.org. Well, maybe not exactly. |
| 18:47.44 | jelly | Thedarkb: does your bios disable 64bit support or what? |
| 18:47.51 | Thedarkb | It's a Pentium M machine. |
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| 18:48.03 | Thedarkb | 32 bit with PAE. |
| 18:48.19 | dr4ken | guys, would i have an perf. impact if i install a grsec enhanced kernel of lesbian, i mean debian? |
| 18:48.20 | jelly | oh, I thought you said c2d, must have mixed something up |
| 18:48.22 | drummond | does anyone know the name of the default, old one gnome 3 window theme)? >> this >> https://www.linuxexpres.cz/uploads/gallery/original/4247.jpg |
| 18:48.31 | karlpinc | Thedarkb: You can take a picture with your phone and post that to a paste site. (But I forget which paste site is recommended for images.) |
| 18:48.34 | greycat | Thedarkb: if it's an i586, stretch does not support it |
| 18:48.43 | Thedarkb | It's i686 |
| 18:48.46 | jelly | it's not a p1 |
| 18:48.49 | greycat | OK |
| 18:48.54 | Thedarkb | The Pentium M is a Pentium III variant. |
| 18:49.06 | Thedarkb | and the basis for the Core Duo and Core Solo. |
| 18:49.10 | scwizard | Logg_: yeah that works of course, but was just curious if there was a different way |
| 18:49.15 | greycat | stabs Intel for reusing the same name for vastly different products |
| 18:49.18 | drummond | #opensuse |
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| 18:49.34 | scwizard | you could always have lambda bring up a debian server every 6 hours which goes and checks and posts the result back to the lambda |
| 18:49.48 | Thedarkb | I'm experiencing wifi issues period correct to this laptop. |
| 18:50.02 | Thedarkb | I need to flash a new BIOS to use a different card. |
| 18:50.03 | Logg_ | I thought Debian Stretch only dropped support for the 386. I think I installed it on a pentium 2 just recently |
| 18:50.05 | Thedarkb | WiFi card. |
| 18:50.13 | jelly | Thedarkb: dunno, maybe I'll try to see if this image is broken on my 2005 thinkpad with same gen CPU but iwl 2915 wifi |
| 18:50.31 | Thedarkb | Why would they drop support for i586? |
| 18:50.40 | Thedarkb | There isn't a big difference between it and 686 |
| 18:50.43 | Thedarkb | Just PAE really. |
| 18:51.15 | jelly | Thedarkb: because having to support old CPUs in _userspace_ disables all sorts of useful optimizations |
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| 18:51.26 | jelly | it's not just about the kernel |
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| 18:51.40 | Thedarkb | You can't use SSE or MMX. |
| 18:51.45 | Thedarkb | That's about it really. |
| 18:52.07 | A|an | How do you get to fdisk from the installation iso? |
| 18:52.10 | tw | mmx is pretty damn common, fyi. |
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| 18:52.20 | A|an | It seems to want to make you use partman |
| 18:52.26 | dr4ken | guys, would i have an perf. impact if i install a grsec enhanced kernel on debian? |
| 18:52.49 | tw | dr4ken: probably not a significant one, but yes. |
| 18:52.58 | tw | I doubt you will notice it. |
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| 18:53.04 | jelly | dr4ken: try it and see. It depends a LOT on which features you enable in the kernel and which CPU you have |
| 18:53.16 | karlpinc | A|an: There's a way to drop to shell. But I don't recall offhand what it is. (You could try reading the installation manual. :) |
| 18:53.25 | Logg_ | My Pentium II-MMX at 233 MHz is running debian 9, kernel 4.9.0-4-686-pae. |
| 18:53.27 | no_gravity | Rebooting .. fingers crossed ... |
| 18:53.34 | Thedarkb | You can just switch TTYs |
| 18:53.41 | karlpinc | A|an: Probably CTL-ALT-FN, like usual. |
| 18:53.45 | A|an | yes...i did...still kinda iffy about it |
| 18:53.50 | A|an | ah |
| 18:53.59 | A|an | thanks |
| 18:54.00 | jelly | dr4ken: vanilla kernel for the current release has already taken a significant performance hit in the name of security |
| 18:54.01 | tw | Logg_: congrats, that's a 686, the first of its line. |
| 18:54.47 | tw | I don't know how you have enough memory to run anything, but hey. |
| 18:54.47 | Logg_ | still works, still supported. :) |
| 18:55.09 | dr4ken | jelly, really? could you elaborate on that? |
| 18:55.18 | jelly | dr4ken: if you can afford the source for grsec patches you probably have good reasons to use it so it's kind of a weird question |
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| 18:55.37 | dr4ken | jelly, specialyl because i just upgraded from jessie to stretch and i find it lightning fast, maybe just placebo? |
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| 18:55.58 | karlpinc | Logg_: Ever since packaging started using xz compression my 686 runs like glue when working with apt-stuff. |
| 18:56.19 | tw | jelly: getting off topic, but the grsec guys told me they don't sell to individuals, only as a corp contract. |
| 18:56.46 | dr4ken | tw, why do they onyl sells to companies? |
| 18:56.53 | dr4ken | to stop piracy or smth? |
| 18:56.54 | jelly | ask them. |
| 18:56.56 | tw | hell if I know. |
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| 18:57.47 | jawr | brr debian! |
| 18:57.59 | jawr | prometheus : Depends: libjs-mustache (>= 2.3.0-1~) but 0.4.2-2 is to be installed |
| 18:58.01 | no_gravity | Holla, the machine rebooted fine! |
| 18:58.02 | jawr | :( |
| 18:58.15 | jelly | dpkg, tell jawr about basic apt troubleshooting |
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| 18:58.27 | jelly | ,v prometheus |
| 18:58.28 | judd | Package: prometheus on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.5.2+ds-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.5.2+ds-2+b3; stretch-backports: 2.2.1+ds-2~bpo9+1; buster: 2.2.1+ds-2; sid: 2.2.1+ds-2 |
| 18:58.49 | jelly | ,v libjs-mustache |
| 18:58.50 | judd | Package: libjs-mustache on amd64 -- jessie: 0.4.2-2; jessie-backports: 2.3.0-2~bpo8+1; buster: 2.3.0-2; sid: 2.3.0-2; stretch: 2.3.0-2 |
| 18:59.03 | jawr | ah sorrty, im not backporting it |
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| 18:59.55 | jelly | jawr: you should have gotten a private message from "dpkg" bot. Can you follow its instructions carefully please. |
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| 19:00.02 | jawr | oh, sure |
| 19:00.04 | greycat | it's pronounced "must ache", not "moustache", right? |
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| 19:01.05 | tw | grsec telling me they have no options: https://i.imgur.com/2pZfc4y.png |
| 19:01.16 | tw | things may have changed since then. |
| 19:01.17 | no_gravity | Now this is strange. The machine updated to Debian 9 but it still runs PHP 5.6. How is that possible? |
| 19:01.35 | karlpinc | no_gravity: Debian upgrades pretty well. But there's also stuff to be done to get ready for the _next_release. Deleting obsolete packages. Deleting packages with "p" status (where only the configs are left). And, if you're running postgresql make sure to read the /usr/share/doc/postgresql*/README.Debian.gz file to see how to complete your postgres upgrade! |
| 19:01.44 | greycat | That's normal. If you want to migrate to php7 you have to take explicit steps. That way things don't just break. |
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| 19:02.15 | no_gravity | greycat: But a clean install of Debian 9 would *only* come with PHP 7, right? |
| 19:02.19 | greycat | correct |
| 19:02.22 | karlpinc | no_gravity: And see the instructions in /usr/share/dev/README.Debian regards the eth0 interface name needing to change. |
| 19:02.33 | greycat | interface names don't change on an upgrade |
| 19:02.34 | jelly | no_gravity: a clean install of debian 9 would not come with php at all! |
| 19:02.39 | greycat | heh |
| 19:02.41 | karlpinc | oops. /usr/share/udev/.... |
| 19:02.45 | jawr | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/1021854/ |
| 19:02.56 | no_gravity | greycat: So where does it pull PHP 5 from right now? Is PHP 5 still in the repos of Debian 9= |
| 19:02.59 | no_gravity | greycat: So where does it pull PHP 5 from right now? Is PHP 5 still in the repos of Debian 9? |
| 19:03.00 | greycat | You only get the new-style interface names on a clean stretch install, or if you take steps to get it. |
| 19:03.14 | greycat | no_gravity: you still have the jessie php packages. And you can leave it that way as long as you like. |
| 19:03.43 | jelly | jawr: if you want to install stuff from jessie-backports, you have to explicitely ask apt to do that |
| 19:03.49 | no_gravity | greycat: But how are they kept up to date? How do they get security fixes? |
| 19:03.57 | greycat | They aren't, and they don't. |
| 19:04.02 | jawr | yup, ill just install those two |
| 19:04.05 | jawr | and then prom |
| 19:04.09 | jawr | merci |
| 19:04.09 | no_gravity | So the system is a frankenstein now? |
| 19:04.11 | jelly | jawr: apt-get -t ... |
| 19:04.17 | no_gravity | A mix of Debian 8 and Debian 9? |
| 19:04.20 | karlpinc | no_gravity: No, it just contains obsolete packages. |
| 19:04.23 | greycat | no_gravity: no, you just have some old php packages that don't get updates. |
| 19:04.34 | no_gravity | How can I make it a pure Debian 9? |
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| 19:04.37 | dr4ken | no_gravity, php5 is officially deprecated |
| 19:04.43 | greycat | After you've verified that all your PHP apps will run on php7 then you can make the switch. |
| 19:04.50 | no_gravity | greycat: How? |
| 19:04.51 | dr4ken | it wont receive any new featured nor security patch |
| 19:05.08 | greycat | Make sure the relevant php7 packages are installed, and then run a2enmod as required. |
| 19:05.17 | dr4ken | no_gravity, install debian 9 in a VirtualMachine, and install your apps there and see if their work |
| 19:05.23 | karlpinc | no_gravity: You clean up all the obsolete packages etc, like I said above. Instructions are in the release notes. |
| 19:05.32 | no_gravity | dr4ken: This is the VM where I want to test it. |
| 19:05.38 | jelly | tw: it's not hard or expensive to create a LLC in .uk |
| 19:05.59 | no_gravity | I'm at a loss now. I'm not sure how to get to a 'Debian 9' state of affairs. |
| 19:06.58 | no_gravity | Can I "apt-get purge php" or something? |
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| 19:07.22 | karlpinc | no_gravity: Start here: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#for-next and read sections 4.7 and 4.8. |
| 19:07.30 | greycat | Just install the php7* packages that you actually need, and then enable it as a module in apache if that's what you're doing. |
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| 19:08.21 | no_gravity | karlpinc: It says to purge what "dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ { print $2 }'" shows. |
| 19:08.35 | no_gravity | karlpinc: But I don't see PHP in that list. |
| 19:08.52 | greycat | because php5 has not been REMOVED |
| 19:08.55 | greycat | it is still THERE |
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| 19:09.18 | no_gravity | So how do I get rid of everything that does not belong to Debian 9? |
| 19:09.21 | no_gravity | I don't want any of it. |
| 19:09.29 | no_gravity | I want a pure Debian 9 system. |
| 19:09.32 | karlpinc | no_gravity: It says "f you are using aptitude, you will see a listing of these packages in the âObsolete and Locally Created Packagesâ entry. " |
| 19:09.42 | greycat | If you want "pure", reinstall from scratch. |
| 19:09.54 | greycat | I don't know why you want this, but... |
| 19:10.09 | karlpinc | no_gravity: I always follow the path of least resistance and use "aptitude", just like that in interactive mode, and remove all the obsolete packages. |
| 19:10.20 | emu_rider | If reinstall, you can reuse /home and keep all personal data |
| 19:10.29 | no_gravity | greycat: Because I want to see if an application works on Debian 9. |
| 19:10.33 | karlpinc | no_gravity: The interactive aptitude interface is a pain, but I only have to use it every couple of years, so.... |
| 19:10.51 | greycat | no_gravity: then why does "purity" matter? |
| 19:10.51 | no_gravity | karlpinc: How do you launch that interactive aptitude? |
| 19:10.57 | karlpinc | no_gravity: aptitude |
| 19:11.08 | no_gravity | karlpinc: -bash: aptitude: command not found |
| 19:11.16 | emu_rider | sudo ? |
| 19:11.21 | karlpinc | no_gravity: apt-get install aptitude |
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| 19:11.28 | no_gravity | greycat: Because I don't want to see if it works on a frankenstein system with php 5 on debian 9. |
| 19:11.41 | greycat | Is it a PHP application? |
| 19:11.42 | karlpinc | no_gravity: You will need to be root to run aptitude and remove packages. |
| 19:12.06 | no_gravity | greycat: Yup. Debian+Apache+PHP+MySql |
| 19:12.22 | dr4ken | what function does do libc-bin in apt |
| 19:12.26 | greycat | Then complete the php7 migration step. |
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| 19:12.48 | no_gravity | karlpinc: And now purge everything in 'Obsolete and Locally Created Packages'? |
| 19:13.01 | karlpinc | no_gravity: You then use keyboard arrows (?) to go over the "Obsolete..." line and (maybe) press the "-" key to say you want to delete them, and then press the "g" key to do it. (But don't trust me, look at the on-screen instructions which are supposed to give you guidance to the interface.) |
| 19:13.14 | no_gravity | greycat: Why not deinstall PHP and then install it from the debian 9 repos? |
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| 19:13.30 | greycat | Do whatever you want. |
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| 19:13.56 | greycat | MOST people who upgrade a system are primarily concerned with making sure things that USED to work STILL WORK. |
| 19:14.21 | no_gravity | karlpinc: How do I purge those things? |
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| 19:15.41 | karlpinc | no_gravity: I'd not purge, just in case, until _after_. Just in case there's something needs keeping. I don't know about mysql but postgres needs it's old software there in order to migrate to the new software. (At least up until now, they've new stuff that migrates without both being installed.) Point being, you need to be careful deleting old stuff. Various packages will have README.Debian files with specifics -- these are |
| 19:15.41 | karlpinc | generally listed in the Debian release notes. |
| 19:16.17 | karlpinc | no_gravity: Might be best to _first_ install the new stuff, then delete the old when the new stuff works. |
| 19:16.18 | no_gravity | Well, I will try to purge everything that is not Debian 9. |
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| 19:16.38 | greycat | Why did you even do an upgrade at all? |
| 19:16.49 | greycat | If you wanted a blank slate, why didn't you just do a full install? |
| 19:16.53 | dr4ken | greycat, because unlike windows, we do have 9 version |
| 19:16.56 | jelly | no_gravity: also, /msg dpkg obsolete |
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| 19:17.31 | karlpinc | no_gravity: If you're poking at a VM copy and seeing what breaks, well, go for it. |
| 19:17.34 | no_gravity | greycat: To keep some directories with stuff, some user accounts and some config files. |
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| 19:17.58 | karlpinc | no_gravity: (The config files are always the big reason why I upgrade.) |
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| 19:18.20 | no_gravity | jelly: That tells me how to *find* them. But how do I get rid of them? |
| 19:18.52 | karlpinc | no_gravity: I told you above how to use aptitude to delete obsolete packags. (So far as I can recall.) |
| 19:19.08 | no_gravity | karlpinc: No, you just told me how to see them on screen in a menu. |
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| 19:19.25 | no_gravity | karlpinc: I see them. Now I just need some hammer to destroy them. |
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| 19:19.50 | karlpinc | no_gravity: No. I said to use "-" to mark them for deletion and "g" to make your marks "real". |
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| 19:20.02 | no_gravity | karlpinc: Aha! Let me try that -g hammer then... |
| 19:20.45 | karlpinc | no_gravity: I think the release notes have instructions about how to do this. But at the beginning to get rid of anything left over from previous upgrades before upgrading again. You'd have to RTFM. |
| 19:21.01 | no_gravity | karlpinc: I'm not sure when to press - and g. |
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| 19:21.39 | no_gravity | karlpinc: pressing - seems to do nothing. |
| 19:21.39 | karlpinc | no_gravity: You have to hilight the "Obsolete" line (with the arrow keys?) |
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| 19:22.19 | no_gravity | karlpinc: Yeah, and then? |
| 19:22.27 | jelly | no_gravity: aptitude has commands other than "search", and they all take the same search syntax |
| 19:22.30 | karlpinc | no_gravity: I hate the interface. It might change color or leave a mark at the left. Or maybe - is not the right key. Either look for the instruction manual or look hard at the screen. Somewhere on the screen it has "hints". |
| 19:23.14 | karlpinc | jelly: I've never figured out how to use the aptitude command line to do the obsolete purge. The upgrade guide always talks about the interactive interface. |
| 19:23.26 | jelly | karlpinc: it's really trivial |
| 19:23.46 | karlpinc | jelly: Surely there's another apt related way. Ah, you know? |
| 19:23.57 | jelly | you can aptitude search foo, and you can aptitude remove foo |
| 19:24.10 | jelly | foo matches the exact same set of packages |
| 19:24.23 | no_gravity | Ok here is a new plan: |
| 19:24.25 | karlpinc | jelly: But to aptitude search all the obsolete packages, not just a particular package? |
| 19:24.32 | jelly | karlpinc: /msg dpkg obsolete |
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| 19:24.46 | no_gravity | aptitude search ?obsolete > o; apt-get --purge remove ($cat o) |
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| 19:24.52 | thardman22 | #lfs-support |
| 19:24.53 | no_gravity | What do you guys think of this line? |
| 19:25.00 | greycat | I think it's wrong. |
| 19:25.28 | greycat | the ? should be quoted/escaped, and the ($...) was clearly intended to be $(...) but I don't know what's in the file |
| 19:25.28 | karlpinc | no_gravity: aptitude remove ~o |
| 19:25.29 | jelly | no_gravity: aptitude remove ... takes the same search syntax as aptitude search ... |
| 19:25.33 | no_gravity | Next try: aptitude search ?obsolete > o; apt-get --purge remove $(cat o) |
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| 19:25.56 | no_gravity | jelly: aptitude remove ?obsolete? |
| 19:26.13 | greycat | the ? should be quoted/escaped for safety |
| 19:26.22 | no_gravity | karlpinc: I have the feeling ~o is short for ?obsolete |
| 19:26.27 | jelly | greycat: as should be ~o honestly |
| 19:26.33 | greycat | yes |
| 19:26.34 | karlpinc | jelly: One day I'm going to file a bug report with the release note people and get them to include that command line. |
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| 19:26.44 | no_gravity | Ok, new plan: aptitude remove ~o |
| 19:26.51 | no_gravity | What do you guys think about that one? |
| 19:27.02 | greycat | the ~ should be quoted/escaped for safety |
| 19:27.08 | no_gravity | greycat: how? |
| 19:27.10 | karlpinc | no_gravity: Jelly is right. Should be: aptitude remove '~o' |
| 19:27.13 | greycat | \ or " or ' |
| 19:27.19 | no_gravity | Ok |
| 19:27.29 | no_gravity | Should I add --purge? |
| 19:27.35 | jelly | no_gravity: I think you should take a look at the list and see which tools you still need and whether you want to purge config files as well or just remove |
| 19:27.46 | jelly | apritude does not have a --purge |
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| 19:28.06 | jelly | it does however have commands other than "search" and "remove" |
| 19:28.11 | no_gravity | jelly: Well, if it is not from the Debian 9 repos, why would I keep it? |
| 19:28.13 | karlpinc | no_gravity: If you're upgrading because you want to keep configs, don't purge configs until you know you no longer need them. |
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| 19:28.45 | jelly | no_gravity: because you have not verified the functionality you're using on this system relies on any obsolete packages yet |
| 19:29.12 | no_gravity | jelly: I am did the update to find out exactly that. |
| 19:29.21 | karlpinc | no_gravity: You might want to install debian 9 packages which will use those configs. |
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| 19:29.40 | no_gravity | karlpinc: C'est la vie, then I will have to write the configs again :) |
| 19:29.47 | jelly | no_gravity: I did not say "packages" but functionality. Maybe you have a custom tool that only works with php5 |
| 19:30.06 | no_gravity | jelly: I did the update to find out exactly that. |
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| 19:30.19 | no_gravity | jelly: Then that tool would have to be fixed. |
| 19:30.22 | jelly | maybe you like a music player that does not exist in stretch any more |
| 19:30.38 | greycat | purging configs doesn't help you with this goal. it's just a distractin. |
| 19:30.45 | no_gravity | Ok, so let's go with: aptitude remove '~o' |
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| 19:31.30 | jelly | no_gravity: it would indeed have to be fixed. But you don't know about it yet and removal of all the obsolete stuff might break things you actually use. |
| 19:31.36 | no_gravity | Alea jacta est. |
| 19:31.49 | no_gravity | I did the remove. |
| 19:32.02 | no_gravity | Let's reboot ... |
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| 19:32.55 | jelly | things get more complex if you have more users on the system, or things that only run occasionally |
| 19:33.41 | no_gravity | The system still rebooted :) |
| 19:34.13 | jelly | so the rebooting functionality works |
| 19:34.13 | DuncanT | Hi. It there a detailed tutorial on debian/rules for cases where I'm packaging something that doesn't use configure/make/make install? Specifically I'm trying to package an upstream build binary |
| 19:34.19 | no_gravity | jelly: Yeah! |
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| 19:37.01 | no_gravity | Is 'apt-get install php-mysql' still the command or do you need 'apt-get install php-mariadb' or something like that now? |
| 19:37.16 | no_gravity | Looks like php-mysql works. |
| 19:37.21 | greycat | I would do "apt-cache search php7 mysql" and see. |
| 19:37.33 | no_gravity | Guess its an alias now or something. |
| 19:37.46 | no_gravity | greycat: mysql or mariadb? |
| 19:37.51 | greycat | Either, both. |
| 19:37.55 | no_gravity | Afaik there is no more mysql in Debian 9. |
| 19:37.55 | jelly | yes. |
| 19:38.13 | greycat | ,info php-mysql |
| 19:38.15 | judd | Package php-mysql (php, optional) in stretch/amd64: MySQL module for PHP [default]. Version: 1:7.0+49; Size: 4.9k; Installed: 12k |
| 19:38.35 | greycat | "Installed: 12k" strongly implies a transitional or meta package. |
| 19:38.36 | jelly | still doesn't mean everyone changed the name of their driver-to-connect-to-mysql-compatible-server |
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| 19:39.31 | jelly | if it's a metapackage, it's probably because of php transition not because of php module name change |
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| 19:39.55 | jelly | otherwise we'd have a php-mariadb, php-percona-server, php-drizzle |
| 19:40.13 | greycat | so glad I chose postgresql |
| 19:40.19 | Tenkawa | arent they used for bundling purposes too? |
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| 19:41.09 | Tenkawa | pieces and parts but not quite whole packages |
| 19:41.12 | jelly | yes, but it's unlikely mysql-php thingy split into three different thingies |
| 19:41.20 | Tenkawa | yeah i agree |
| 19:41.39 | jelly | can't be bothered to look at apt-cache show php-mysql |
| 19:42.00 | no_gravity | Strange, now when I enter 'reset', I get some funky chars on the screen for a while and then a 'p'. |
| 19:42.02 | Kelsar | the protocol keeps the name mysql |
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| 19:42.36 | jelly | is the protocol allowed to do that?!? |
| 19:42.55 | greycat | Quick, find the protocol for protocols! |
| 19:43.35 | no_gravity | This looks good: OK (42 tests, 281 assertions) |
| 19:43.54 | jelly | no_gravity: sounds like you don't have the correct TERM value for your terminal emulator. |
| 19:44.17 | jelly | reset just does whatever's in the terminfo definition |
| 19:44.40 | no_gravity | jelly: Maybe another frankenstein leftover from Debian 8? |
| 19:44.57 | greycat | Or maybe you should find out what TERM is set to, and what kind of terminal you are using. |
| 19:45.13 | jelly | if Termuxology says it's xterm but doesn't actually behave like xterm, who knows what's going to happen |
| 19:45.37 | jelly | (there's no such thing as Termuxology) |
| 19:45.38 | no_gravity | echo $TERM |
| 19:45.45 | no_gravity | xterm-256color |
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| 19:45.55 | Tenkawa | theres so many TERM values nowadays |
| 19:46.14 | no_gravity | In screen, reset works just fine. |
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| 19:46.37 | no_gravity | Today I learned how to run a split screen inside of screen. |
| 19:46.40 | no_gravity | I like that a lot. |
| 19:46.44 | Tenkawa | still remembers when he could rely on vt100 or xterm working properly for everything |
| 19:46.48 | ejr | hi. i am using debian 9 on a ssd, but the installation is dd'd from a hdd. since i am booting from the ssd I get the error "ata2.00: failed to set xfermode" before i enter my decryption password. how can this be solved? |
| 19:47.25 | jelly | ejr: does decryption fail because of that? |
| 19:47.30 | ejr | i already tried adding ircpoll to grub and also libata..force=noncq, but that did not solve it |
| 19:47.32 | no_gravity | How do I start a new shell in a split region of screen? |
| 19:47.34 | ejr | jelly: no |
| 19:47.50 | jelly | then it's just a cosmetic issue, not much to solve |
| 19:48.19 | no_gravity | Ah, CTRL+a a c |
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| 19:48.45 | ejr | jelly: well, in dmesg it says "device not ready, forcing hardreset. / configured for UDMA/100 in relation to ata2. So I wonder whether this might be an issue |
| 19:48.47 | jelly | you can probably lower kernel.printk= on the boot command line if it bothers you but it might hide other things |
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| 19:49.22 | jelly | ejr: now _that_ suggests actual issues |
| 19:49.59 | jelly | you can always try a newer kernel and see if it goes away |
| 19:50.26 | jelly | ejr: which debian release is this, and do you have a newish hardware platform? |
| 19:50.33 | jelly | oh, 9 |
| 19:51.10 | ejr | i should perhaps add that I am using a thinkpad t42, which usually runs IDE harddrives. I replaced that one with the ssd and the ssd is running in the ultrabay slot in a dvd adapter, so it's a complicated setup. But it works, I can run the system just fine. Just wondering whether I could actually get higher performance (actual ssd performance) by changing some settings in either bios or kernel/linux |
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| 19:51.23 | jelly | that's... not newish |
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| 19:51.35 | ejr | right :P |
| 19:52.34 | jelly | ejr: does ultrabay actually expose a sata port or is there some sort of additional ide/sata bridge in play? |
| 19:53.24 | tw | How do I manually unpack a deb? |
| 19:53.31 | ejr | it's an sata/ssd adapter onto which the ssd is attached. and that adapter goes into the ultraby slot |
| 19:53.42 | jelly | ejr: eh, be happy it works at all |
| 19:53.43 | greycat | tw: dpkg -x |
| 19:54.35 | ejr | jelly: probably i should, yes. anyway, in some days I will have a T60 available to try whether it also gives me this error message so that I know whether it's due to the hardware of the T42 or not |
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| 19:55.48 | ejr | oh wait, actually, I already tried it on my X60 with its ultrabase ultrabay slot, and it also gave me that error. so it must be due to either the kernel or adapter |
| 19:55.54 | ejr | maybe I should just do a clean reinstall. |
| 19:55.57 | jelly | T60 at least has a sata controller. But it's sata1 so it's anyone's guess if a recent ssd is going to work and boot |
| 19:56.06 | tw | greycat: worked, thanks. |
| 19:56.47 | jelly | ejr: wild-ass guess: probably the adapter and it's probably not worth investigating |
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| 19:57.01 | glm | How does one link to pulseaudio? I have a g++ .... -lpulse-simple main.cpp directive in my Makefile, and a /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu: |
| 19:57.12 | ejr | jelly: ok. thanks |
| 19:57.13 | glm | library called libpulse-simple |
| 19:57.30 | glm | but somehow the linker cant find the lib |
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| 19:57.52 | jelly | glm: libpulse-dev installed? |
| 19:57.57 | greycat | glm: there should be a *.so file (symlink) typically provided by the -dev package |
| 19:58.37 | greycat | judd file libpulse-simple.so |
| 19:58.40 | judd | Search for libpulse-simple.so in stretch/amd64: libpulse-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpulse-simple.so; libroar-compat2: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/roaraudio/complibs/libpulse-simple.so |
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| 19:59.05 | tw | glm: also, g++ -Wl,-verbose to get more info from the linker |
| 19:59.11 | glm | Bingo...I had a -static flag in there...messed everything up |
| 19:59.14 | glm | Thanks a lot fellas |
| 19:59.51 | jelly | huh. They really don't provide a .a with that name |
| 20:00.06 | Tenkawa | that was his point |
| 20:00.15 | Tenkawa | thats why it failed |
| 20:00.32 | Tenkawa | he had been using a static fkag |
| 20:00.36 | Tenkawa | er flag |
| 20:00.50 | jelly | yes. I'm just expressing some surprise. |
| 20:01.09 | Tenkawa | I switch between them all the time |
| 20:01.45 | tw | Probably doesn't make a whole lot of sense for pulseaudio. So much of it is shared. |
| 20:01.55 | Tenkawa | but I also build a lot of code to go in self contained binaries |
| 20:02.18 | Tenkawa | not stuff like pulse |
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| 20:13.43 | tw | Tried to crossgrade x86->amd64 per the wiki.debian.org/crossgrading article; ended up with this: https://paste.debian.net/1021864/ ; almost everything says broken, but they're installed and they appear to be working. |
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| 20:14.19 | tw | Any recommendations on how to get aptitude to tell me why it thinks the package is broken? |
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| 20:14.52 | tw | `apt-get -f install` shows some autoremovable packages, but takes no further action. |
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| 20:16.06 | Tenkawa | pastebin it |
| 20:16.31 | jelly | how far did you come? |
| 20:16.50 | tw | I'm at "caveats and known problems" |
| 20:17.21 | tw | the last thing should have swapped my architecture selections. |
| 20:17.23 | Tenkawa | sorry... didnt see your paste |
| 20:17.30 | Tenkawa | it scrolled off my screen |
| 20:18.05 | Tenkawa | missed first part of what you had said |
| 20:18.08 | Tenkawa | my bad |
| 20:18.36 | domovoy_ | how would i go to rebuild debian-installer netboot so that it includes _and_ use a modified partman-auto udeb? I built the partman-auto udeb, put it in localudebs, added it to pkg-lists/local, and then built netboot. It seems to have included it (Warning: Building with localudebs), the resulting installer works, but doesn't seem to use the modified udeb (i only modified a particular log message, i still see the original one) |
| 20:18.48 | jelly | tw: what was the last command you actually did? |
| 20:18.52 | jelly | apt-get -f install? |
| 20:18.57 | tw | Yes. |
| 20:19.20 | jelly | and dpkg --print-architecture is at amd64? |
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| 20:20.44 | tw | https://paste.debian.net/1021871/ |
| 20:20.46 | tw | yes. |
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| 20:21.07 | jelly | tw: can you install bsdutils:amd64 ? |
| 20:22.42 | tw | ah, no, that didn't work, I'll make that one install and come back. |
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| 20:25.04 | jelly | tw: and what do dependencies for some of those look like. dpkg -l libgcc1 libc6 debianutils libsystemd0 bsdmainutils |
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| 20:28.47 | phantomcircuit | im trying to install 9.4.0 using the netinst iso via serial console |
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| 20:29.17 | phantomcircuit | but the bootloader menu is a single line of text on the left side of the terminal |
| 20:29.57 | phantomcircuit | the systems pre-bootloader menu is fine, it's just the pseudo gui menu that's messed up, so i assume some escape codes are wrong or something? |
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| 20:42.17 | tw | jelly: some deps https://paste.debian.net/1021873 ; attempting to clear the "broken" on apt https://paste.debian.net/1021875/ |
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| 20:43.31 | tw | If I try aptitude reinstall apt, it doesn't complain but it still reports the package as broken. |
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| 20:52.00 | tw | I'm just going to assume that aptitude has lost its marbles and everything is actually fine. |
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| 20:55.50 | Lope | guys I'm trying to run a tc script that I had working on another computer. "We have an error talking to the kernel" `tc filter add dev ppp0 parent 1:0 protocol ip prio 10 u32 match ip tos 0x10 0xff flowid 1:10` 4.9 kernel. Maybe I'm missing some kernel module(s)? |
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| 21:17.51 | domovoy_ | how would i go to rebuild debian-installer netboot so that it includes _and_ use a modified partman-auto udeb? I incremented partman-auto udeb version, built it, put it in localudebs, added it to pkg-lists/local, and then built netboot. But it still get it from the mirror (Get:7 http://ftp.debian.org/debian stretch/main/debian-installer amd64 partman-auto amd64 137) |
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| 21:35.52 | oterrifel | hello, had installed hplip with *no* recommends. For some reason hp-setup returns error when selecting *net* (network). Printer does sees radio devices. |
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| 21:36.57 | Tenkawa | oterrifel: printer doesnt or linux doesnt? |
| 21:37.42 | Tenkawa | what error do you get? |
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| 21:40.43 | oterrifel | Tenkawa error: No device selected/specified or that supports this functionality. |
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| 21:41.03 | A|an | Since using partman is such a cumbersome pain, I intend to format and partition the new SSD using my current installation, then unplug my current main drive, reboot, and install Stretch onto the new SSD, with a partition layout already in place. The installer will be able to figure it out, correct? |
| 21:41.21 | Tenkawa | oterrifel: do you have to specify an ip or does it do a scan? |
| 21:41.51 | A|an | ...intend to format and partition...using fdisk |
| 21:43.02 | A|an | partman as a pain: for ex, it insists on setting / to 30GB...and would prefer less |
| 21:43.51 | A|an | correction: ...and I would prefer less |
| 21:45.10 | A|an | The installer will recognize an existing partition table and us it, yes? |
| 21:45.18 | oterrifel | Tenkawa *Do* I have to specify? Well for the sake of it, i did test with hp-setup -i <ipaddress> (a free one to be requested) |
| 21:45.40 | DuncanT | I'm getting closer to my build working. Not just a signing problem: "debsign -k3A4BDF45" works and signs the two files, but "fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -kFCA729D4" reports "gpg: skipped "FCA729D4": No secret key" and "gpg: dpkg-sign.wToI1HA2/helm_2.1.0-1.dsc: clearsign failed: No secret key" |
| 21:48.04 | Tenkawa | oterrifel: I "think" you do |
| 21:48.21 | Tenkawa | i'm not sure though because of how hp does their package |
| 21:48.59 | Tenkawa | it might be multicast dns which is why its not detected unless you specify the ip directly |
| 21:49.13 | Tenkawa | (ie avahi, bonjour,mdns) |
| 21:50.15 | DuncanT | It also fails if I use the same key id in the buildpackage (tried two different keys) |
| 21:51.28 | Tenkawa | DuncanT: sorry.. cant help on that one |
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| 21:51.49 | DuncanT | Tenkawa: Thanks |
| 21:52.05 | Tenkawa | unless... |
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| 21:52.42 | oterrifel | as matter of chance, couldn't find any relevant results in search engine. I did try with mentioned ip address command, as I said. |
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| 21:53.25 | Tenkawa | you need the keyring I think |
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| 21:54.29 | DuncanT | Tenkawa: Any idea how to get that? |
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| 21:54.41 | Tenkawa | Its in apt I think |
| 21:54.53 | Tenkawa | I'm not sure which one you need |
| 21:55.12 | DuncanT | Tenkawa: I'm trying to sign the package with *my* key, since I've created the package |
| 21:55.19 | Tenkawa | ahhhh |
| 21:55.26 | Tenkawa | private |
| 21:55.37 | Tenkawa | yeah thats not going to work since you are not a CA |
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| 21:56.20 | Tenkawa | you have no certifiate authority unless you create a self signed certificate only you will have |
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| 21:56.58 | Tenkawa | er certificate |
| 21:57.01 | DuncanT | It's a gpg signature... my public key is on the ubuntu (and other) keyservers |
| 21:57.12 | oterrifel | how to install missing recommends pkgs from hplip? |
| 21:57.17 | Tenkawa | DuncanT: oh.. then thats good |
| 21:57.29 | Tenkawa | you should have a public key that you can import in |
| 21:57.32 | DuncanT | "debsign -k3A4BDF45" does the signature |
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| 21:58.02 | DuncanT | But when called via buildpackage, it doesn't seem to get passed through |
| 21:58.13 | Tenkawa | hmm weird |
| 21:58.27 | Tenkawa | I don't know buildpackage hardly at all |
| 21:58.48 | Tenkawa | I mostly build outside of package |
| 21:59.22 | DuncanT | Ok, thanks. I'll take another look in the morning. Thanks for trying |
| 21:59.34 | Tenkawa | no problem.. good luck. |
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| 22:35.00 | domovoy_ | how would i go to rebuild debian-installer netboot so that it includes _and_ use a modified partman-auto udeb? I incremented partman-auto udeb version with dch (137+nmu1), built it, copy it in localudebs, added it to pkg-lists/local, and then built netboot. But it still use the one from the official repo (Unpacking partman-auto (137)) |
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| 22:37.42 | akk | How do I get past "Gave up waiting for suspend/resume device" on boot? I've put the right UUID, or the right device path, in etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume and run update-initramfs -u. |
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| 22:53.46 | X|H | Hello o7! anyone in here have any experience running debian natively on late 2011 MBP 15? I have been trying to follow multiple guides and just fumbling around for days now. Any advice or links would be greatly appreciated. I'm able to boot and run the installer but not boot into the new system. It hangs and shows "/dev/sda2: clean, xxxxxxx/xxxxxxxx files, xxxxx/xxxxxx blocks. |
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| 23:05.41 | Thedarkb-X40 | Right, I'm just going to patch my BIOS and buy an Atheros card rather than faffing around with this intel pos |
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| 23:49.45 | domovoy_ | building debian-installer: Downloaded partman-auto source, incremented its version using dch (137+nmu1), built it, copy it in localudebs, added it to pkg-lists/local, and then 'make rebuild_netboot USE_UDEBS_FROM=stretch'. But it still use the one from the official repo (Unpacking partman-auto (137)), why? |
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