| 00:00.10 | Meteor0ID | this is the tutorial btw: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-serve-django-applications-with-uwsgi-and-nginx-on-debian-8 |
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| 00:00.51 | wewlad | bites: I tried `lvextend +L 200g /dev/vg01kvm/sklad` (LV Path) and got `Please specify a logical volume path`. |
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| 00:02.05 | bites | wewlad: did you mean -L+200G ? |
| 00:02.17 | Meteor0ID | is bashrc always in the home folder? |
| 00:02.52 | Meteor0ID | directory! lets not call it a folder ofc |
| 00:03.07 | wewlad | bites: no, why would I? |
| 00:03.20 | bites | because that would be the correct way |
| 00:03.53 | wewlad | bites: https://serverfault.com/questions/243562/lvm-resize2fs-not-resizing |
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| 00:04.36 | bites | and what am i supposed to do with that link? |
| 00:04.55 | wewlad | bites: ctrl+f for `lvextend -L +200G vg2/lv_backup` |
| 00:05.12 | bites | yes, just like i said. |
| 00:05.12 | wewlad | `man lvextend` says `| -L|--size [+]LogicalVolumeSize[bBsSkKmMgGtTpPeE]}` |
| 00:05.20 | wewlad | which I don't really understand |
| 00:05.38 | bites | you had a typo in the command you gave me earlier. |
| 00:05.43 | LeoNerd | -L+200G -- adds 200G onto whatever it currently is |
| 00:05.51 | LeoNerd | -L 200G -- set the size to be 200G |
| 00:06.06 | wewlad | omg |
| 00:06.08 | wewlad | I am blind |
| 00:06.10 | wewlad | lol |
| 00:06.28 | wewlad | g vs G |
| 00:06.36 | wewlad | not sure what's what |
| 00:06.53 | bites | and the plus is not supposed to go in front of the L |
| 00:07.01 | wewlad | yeah, I noticed that part |
| 00:07.07 | wewlad | but now I also thought of g vs G |
| 00:07.16 | wewlad | VFree gives 'g' units |
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| 00:09.04 | wewlad | okay, so seems liek it worked |
| 00:09.53 | wewlad | but `df` still says `used 97%` for that /mnt/sklad (aka /dev/mapper/vg01kvm-sklad) |
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| 00:10.49 | bites | did you grow the filesystem or just the partition? |
| 00:11.01 | bites | there is a filesystem in your lv. |
| 00:11.01 | Lyberta | hi, I'm trying to run live USB and get "VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(1,0)", help? |
| 00:11.28 | wewlad | bites: resize2fs? |
| 00:11.45 | bites | depends on what filesystem it is. resize2fs for ext |
| 00:12.13 | wewlad | ext4 |
| 00:12.29 | bites | then yes. you can even grow it while mounted. |
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| 00:13.07 | somiaj | though usually it is suggested you backup before doing anythign with your filesystem. |
| 00:13.15 | wewlad | too late |
| 00:13.19 | wewlad | thank you pals |
| 00:13.27 | bites | withoout a size parameter if you want it to use all available space. |
| 00:13.36 | wewlad | I don't like partitions and filesystems and all that :( |
| 00:13.39 | somiaj | Lyberta: What live usb are you trying to run? State the image you are using and how you tried to run this image (so any tools used to copy it to a usb drive) |
| 00:14.22 | memo1 | friends, i have a question. Is a file hava a integrity check (eg, sha512sum) and i want to compare with the one i calcule in my console, how i do it programmatically?, compare both |
| 00:14.46 | Lyberta | somiaj, debian-live-9.4.0-amd64-mate.iso via UEFI, written via dd |
| 00:15.57 | somiaj | Meteor0ID: Looking at that guide, there are some things I'm unsure why it is doing it. First I assume you want to run this as some user? What user is going to be running the process? |
| 00:16.53 | somiaj | Lyberta: I'm unsure if the live images support UEFI or not, they didn't use to, but this may have changed. Maybe just use legacy boot (can you use legacy boot on your system)? |
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| 00:17.09 | somiaj | but everything sounds fine, might give more details about the actual boot process. |
| 00:17.22 | Meteor0ID | it will become a production webserver, so the privilleges must be sufficient |
| 00:17.55 | somiaj | Meteor0ID: okay, but that was not the question, which user will be running the server? Are you going to make an unprivlaged user just to run the server? Going to run it as root (usually not suggested) |
| 00:18.11 | somiaj | Meteor0ID: also why not just use this? |
| 00:18.14 | somiaj | ,v django |
| 00:18.15 | judd | No package named 'django' was found in amd64. |
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| 00:19.13 | somiaj | ,v python3-django |
| 00:19.14 | judd | Package: python3-django on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.7.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.7.11-1+deb8u2; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.7.11-1+deb8u3; jessie-security: 1.7.11-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 1.8.18-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:1.10.7-2; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:1.10.7-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 1:1.10.7-2+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 1:1.11.10-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1:1.11.11-1; sid: |
| 00:19.15 | judd | 1:1.11.12-1; experimental: 2:2.0.4-1 |
| 00:19.52 | somiaj | Meteor0ID: jessie backports has python3-django version 1.8.18 which might be sufficent for your needs and usually cleaner to install than that guide you shared is suggesting. |
| 00:19.52 | Meteor0ID | what benifit would that have? |
| 00:20.12 | Meteor0ID | ah |
| 00:20.17 | bites | you want to use django's development server in production? |
| 00:20.19 | somiaj | you will get security updates from debian (though in this case, if building a production server, running stretch might be better for a longer life) |
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| 00:20.36 | somiaj | and in stretch you can get up to 1.11.10 from stretch-backports, though the stretch version will have the best security support. |
| 00:21.02 | somiaj | also I don't like how that guide has you install virtualenv and virtualenvwrapper using pip. I would just use the debian packages for that too. |
| 00:21.27 | somiaj | Meteor0ID: advantage, you get to use debian's packaging tools to manage the software. The software has been packaged and configured to run and work on the debian system. You get seucirty updates. |
| 00:22.19 | bites | oh, the tutorial is for running django with nginx. nvm, carry on. ^^ |
| 00:23.01 | somiaj | I don't see why that would matter, nginx is in debian, you should be able to configure that to work with the python3-django packages |
| 00:23.19 | somiaj | debian also has tons of django addons/plugins(whatevers) available in the package repos too. |
| 00:24.03 | bites | nothing wrong with that |
| 00:24.22 | Meteor0ID | you might wonder why i am not responding, i am contemplating whether i have learned enough in one day and should go to bed to sort this out tomorrow. I have installed a webserver 3 times today, in 3 different ways, and coming here with one more question i get even better advise to do it completly different again :p being the newbie always gets you tossed around doesnt it |
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| 00:24.53 | somiaj | anyways, my suggestion is use the debian packages if possible. And if you can't identify something that running this in a python3 virtual enviorment gives you, stick to debian packages. |
| 00:25.30 | somiaj | If you do choose to use the python virtual enviorment route, install python3-virtualenv to set up the enviroment. |
| 00:26.01 | daniel__ | I'm getting a boot error saying: Device on /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt has size of XXXXX sectors which is less smaller than corresponding PV size of YYYYYYY sectors. Was device resized? How can I check where the problem lies and solve it? |
| 00:26.07 | Meteor0ID | nah, i will explore the debian packages |
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| 00:26.17 | somiaj | Meteor0ID: sorry to overwhelm, might be worth resting on it and comming back with a fresh approach. |
| 00:26.29 | Meteor0ID | i know, the thing is i just did |
| 00:26.44 | Meteor0ID | and you have nothing to say sorry for I am gald you are giving advise |
| 00:27.07 | bites | you might need a virtualenv anyway depending on what dependencies your django project has. |
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| 00:27.50 | bites | because you can update pip inside a virtualenv and some pypi packages need a newer pip. |
| 00:28.33 | Meteor0ID | i will have to read way more about what virtualenv actually does exactly, and what the debian /stretch packages do |
| 00:28.48 | somiaj | yea good point, be sure to look at the other python3-django-foo packages, debian probably only packages eom of the additional features. |
| 00:29.01 | Meteor0ID | it did allow me to set up multiple projects side by side which is nice |
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| 00:29.50 | somiaj | Meteor0ID: python3-virtualenv sets up a location seperatlly form the main system, and then installs all the python 'scripts' inside this isolated place, and then all of the python tools and dependences are all run from inside this isolated location. |
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| 00:31.06 | somiaj | Meteor0ID: this allows you to only use .deb packages on your main system (suggested), and will make it so things like pip3 install foo, or pip3 upgrade, will do this inside the virtual enviorment, and leave the system alone (so that way the system python is the pure debian one, and your virtual envoirment is an isolated section that can have its own versions/software independent of yoru main system) |
| 00:32.25 | somiaj | I think you can do the multiple projects side by side without a virtual enviroment. Though All the projects will need to same versions of the python software. The virtual enviorment allows you to have seperate versions of software independent of the system or another enviorment. |
| 00:33.37 | somiaj | so overall that guide is fair, it nicely isolates your django install. The only thing I would change is I would isntall python3-virtualenv and not use pip3 for that. |
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| 00:33.57 | somiaj | I was just also pointing out that this has been packaged in debian, and maybe you can take advantage of that and quickly get to using django. |
| 00:34.04 | Mattx | Hey all. is there a channel for networks and http and tcp and etc? |
| 00:34.32 | somiaj | Meteor0ID: there is ##networking for actual networking. There is #httpd if you are intersted in the apache webserer for http |
| 00:34.39 | somiaj | Mattx: ^^ |
| 00:34.49 | Mattx | yeah i asked in networking already |
| 00:34.49 | Mattx | thanks |
| 00:34.50 | somiaj | Unsure if you were wanting newtorking, or info on the actual http protocol. |
| 00:34.59 | Mattx | actually I'm trying to fix a problem |
| 00:36.34 | Mattx | Let me ask here just in case: these are the latencies from 1000 calls to the same rest endpoint https://i.imgur.com/UqXTJVB.png . Why on Earth could I be getting those peaks? |
| 00:36.43 | Meteor0ID | I see |
| 00:37.22 | Mattx | I tried distributing the requests among multiple servers, I tried establishing many connections, I tried many things and it's always the same |
| 00:37.38 | Meteor0ID | but if i want to run multiple sites from one server, than i might need virtualenv to keep them seperated? |
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| 00:38.26 | Meteor0ID | otherwise a security issue might escalate to the other sites right? |
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| 00:39.12 | bites | are they different django app in the same project? |
| 00:39.24 | bites | because those would usually run in the same virtualenv. |
| 00:40.01 | bites | it's not really a security issue, more like housekeeping. |
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| 00:42.39 | somiaj | Meteor0ID: virtual enviorments are not jails, so if someone escalates a security issue and gains access to the server, having projects in different virutal enviorments won't protect them. |
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| 01:50.41 | awal1 | packagekit(-tools) are installed by default? |
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| 01:52.27 | awal1 | packagekit ---» APT-Manual-Installed: yes / packagekit-tools ---» APT-Manual-Installed: yes |
| 01:52.43 | awal1 | never installed them manually. so? |
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| 01:54.50 | awal1 | aptitude why packagekit i packagekit-tools Depende packagekit (= 1.1.9-1) / aptitude why packagekit-tools i packagekit Recomienda packagekit-tools |
| 01:55.00 | awal1 | a bit confused here |
| 01:57.15 | awal1 | (depende= depend / recomienda= recommends |
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| 02:06.15 | iateadonut | i think gnucash is a gtk program. when i hover over an icon, the tooltips are empty. i think maybe it has something to do with the theme - i'm wondering ho can i tell which theme in /usr/share/themes/ might this program be using? |
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| 02:16.48 | awal1 | iateadonut, you can start by finding out which gtk version your program uses (2 or 3) maybe ? |
| 02:17.32 | awal1 | that will maybe help you to at least know if you will check for a gtk2 based theme or a gtk3 based one |
| 02:17.41 | thingfish | anything I try to download from debian.org ends up failing with a network error. |
| 02:17.47 | awal1 | not sure if all that is helpful :D |
| 02:18.18 | thingfish | I can download fine from other sites. |
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| 04:43.52 | steinwayer | hello guys. |
| 04:43.54 | steinwayer | I have a little question.. |
| 04:44.04 | steinwayer | i am afraid Debian is damaging my macbook pro battery |
| 04:44.17 | steinwayer | when i started using it about a month ago |
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| 04:45.10 | steinwayer | it would show 99% when fully charged, but i thought, it's just 1 %. it could just be a little bug. no big deal. But then, i noticed that everytime i would charge my battery, from time to time, that maximum number would drop. |
| 04:45.25 | steinwayer | today, that number is 92%, at battery fully charged... and i am starting to get very worrie |
| 04:45.29 | steinwayer | what do you guys think about it? |
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| 04:47.11 | steinwayer | anybody?? |
| 04:47.35 | fredl | how would Debian do that? |
| 04:47.54 | fredl | actually what is your question? |
| 04:48.12 | Devastator | your battery might be dying.. |
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| 04:48.54 | steinwayer | well |
| 04:49.04 | steinwayer | that is my question actually :D how would debian do it |
| 04:49.17 | steinwayer | you know, power managing and battery life has never been a real shining aspect sadly on linux |
| 04:49.32 | steinwayer | And that's of course because of hardware manufacturers supporting in a very shitty way their hardware on linux |
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| 04:49.51 | steinwayer | forcing the community to come up with their own hardware, that of course sometimes, just cannot match proprietary ones |
| 04:50.07 | steinwayer | well the battery is very new |
| 04:50.11 | steinwayer | just 80 cycles on it |
| 04:50.26 | steinwayer | i noticed this drop down in maximum charge after this month of utilizing debian |
| 04:51.01 | steinwayer | i initially installed just regular stuff on my Debian to keep the battery life at acceptable levels (even tho they are not even close to the levels of OSX because of the points explained before) |
| 04:51.06 | steinwayer | so i installed TLP, thermald |
| 04:51.09 | steinwayer | and mbpfan |
| 04:53.17 | fredl | good luck steinwayer |
| 04:53.30 | steinwayer | ?? what you mean fred? |
| 04:53.57 | fredl | well with all the precautions you're taking |
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| 04:54.20 | steinwayer | the crazy thing is |
| 04:54.32 | steinwayer | when i got this macbook the cycle count was very low, under 100 |
| 04:54.40 | steinwayer | now after a month of Debian, is 432 |
| 04:54.43 | fredl | personally I have no real affiliation with apple anyway |
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| 04:55.11 | steinwayer | well me neither, i am not a fan at all |
| 04:55.27 | steinwayer | i got this one just because i use OSX for recording with Logic Pro |
| 04:55.29 | steinwayer | nothing else |
| 04:55.33 | steinwayer | for the rest, i only use Debian |
| 04:55.43 | steinwayer | but have you guys ever experienced something like that? |
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| 04:55.53 | fredl | they might even have hardware in there that detects a non-apple OS on it and then intentionally change the maximum charge level ;) |
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| 04:56.45 | steinwayer | uhm... nah not really, it wasn't like that when i started using Debian |
| 04:56.47 | steinwayer | The crazy thing is |
| 04:56.49 | fredl | not like they don't do that with other hardware ;) |
| 04:57.10 | steinwayer | at the beginning Debian would show 99 per cent max |
| 04:57.13 | steinwayer | now's 92 |
| 04:57.25 | steinwayer | and i read several posts online of some people complaining about that |
| 04:57.55 | steinwayer | like this one |
| 04:57.56 | steinwayer | https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/ubuntu-is-killing-my-laptop-battery-716484/ |
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| 05:09.45 | fredl | it would be cool if there were some extension to POSIX for hardware |
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| 05:11.30 | fredl | like a POSIX-compliant battery |
| 05:12.13 | fredl | make it 'universal' like USB |
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| 05:31.34 | t3st3r | fredl> actually, there're some standard USB classes for batteries if I remember. |
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| 05:37.45 | t3st3r | But to put it directly, usb is generally "too big" (too complicated/too demanding) for IC to IC communications. So it happens the other way. |
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| 06:46.51 | RAWs_Ghost | new debian has bfgminer in their repositories but does not have all the dependencies. will this be fixed? |
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| 07:30.09 | slidinghorn | KimJongChill - there is a package (libblkmaker) whose maintainer is no longer able to maintain it, and as such, it needs a new one. My understanding is that it does not currently support the current bock version. I don't know if anyone has stepped up to adopt maintenance on it |
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| 07:34.42 | KimJongChill | slidinghorn: ah dang it i really don't want to have to run ubuntu. bleh... thanks anyway |
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| 08:13.18 | Rooot | hello, I got this error during adding suggested packages to KVM installation; https://paste.debian.net/1019094/ |
| 08:13.45 | Rooot | the dot was marked red, and the failure lines, too |
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| 08:16.00 | babilen | Rooot: Looks as if you forgot to configure radvd after installing it (cf. "can't open /etc/radvd.conf: No such file â¦") |
| 08:17.14 | Rooot | babilen, but it happened during installing radvd |
| 08:19.02 | babilen | Yes, I guess you have to configure it and then restart the service |
| 08:19.21 | babilen | You installed radvd, I guess that you have a plan for usage and therefore know how to configure it |
| 08:19.23 | Rooot | I dont know how to do it. I dont know this package. will it be a problem if I just leave it like that |
| 08:19.25 | Rooot | ? |
| 08:19.33 | babilen | Why did you install it? |
| 08:19.39 | Rooot | because it was suggested |
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| 08:19.43 | babilen | By whom? |
| 08:19.46 | Rooot | by terminal |
| 08:19.56 | Rooot | by debian |
| 08:20.23 | babilen | Could you provide a bit more context? |
| 08:20.25 | Rooot | 'following packages are suggested: augeas-doc augeas-tools numad radvd auditd systemtap apparmor nfs-common' |
| 08:20.37 | babilen | By which package? |
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| 08:21.19 | Rooot | babilen, by one of these packages, as it was shown during their installation; 'apt install qemu-kvm libvirt-clients libvirt-daemon-system' |
| 08:21.29 | babilen | And suggested packages are just that: Suggestions. It essentially means "Other users found the following packages useful in *some* setups. Maybe you want to look into them and install those you deem helpful" |
| 08:21.58 | babilen | I'd say that if you don't know what radvd is, nor how to configure it that you do not want to install it. The same holds true for the other packages. |
| 08:22.12 | Rooot | I trust other users so very well that I believe they have a point in there |
| 08:22.40 | babilen | I wouldn't blindly install all suggested packages |
| 08:23.17 | Rooot | ok..joke aside, just thought it would be just dependable |
| 08:23.23 | Rooot | and ok to install it |
| 08:23.56 | Rooot | I will leave it as is if it won't be any further problem |
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| 08:24.56 | babilen | You might want to remove it. There really is no need for a broken service to be present on the system. In particular if you do not plan to use it. |
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| 08:26.19 | babilen | (same holds true for the rest of augeas-doc augeas-tools numad radvd auditd systemtap apparmor nfs-common) |
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| 08:26.40 | babilen | Keep them in mind and install those packages once you require them. |
| 08:28.45 | Rooot | babilen, I understand, sure, I will do so |
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| 08:30.16 | babilen | Enjoy! :) |
| 08:30.26 | Rooot | you're right. you never know what breaks a system and when |
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| 08:32.31 | babilen | I might suggest looking into virt-manager as a gui frontend .. virsh (in libvirt-clients) is a nice cli tool |
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| 08:34.27 | Rooot | babilen, yes, I have them both installed |
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| 08:35.32 | Rooot | if may ask you something else..I try to change a folder's write permissions with 775, and it doesnt work. it works only with '-R 777', which is not recommended |
| 08:36.02 | Meerkat | My screens have recently started to go blank after some time of inactivity. The xfce power manager has the "blank after" setting still set to never. So debian is ignoring this setting for some reason. How can I fix? |
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| 08:38.52 | poolson | any network smart guys here ? |
| 08:39.00 | diveyez | . |
| 08:39.00 | poolson | i have a routing problem i think ! |
| 08:39.08 | diveyez | rm -rf / |
| 08:39.14 | poolson | tried it :) |
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| 08:39.18 | diveyez | lol |
| 08:39.24 | diveyez | whats the problem? |
| 08:39.59 | poolson | anyway im trying to set up an icmp tunnel ... currently i have a connection between the two machines |
| 08:40.15 | poolson | from the server i can ping back to the clien and also ssh back to the client |
| 08:40.22 | poolson | however i cannot go the other way |
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| 08:40.58 | poolson | perhaps if i paste the results of "route" somewhere then it might be evident to someone |
| 08:41.02 | poolson | hold on |
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| 08:42.13 | poolson | hmm it appears i have 2 default routes |
| 08:42.23 | poolson | ill get rid of one of them first .. see how it goes ! |
| 08:42.35 | Boulder | test test, anyone can see my message? first time using irc here :) |
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| 08:43.47 | diveyez | . |
| 08:43.49 | alkisg | Boulder: yes, we can see you |
| 08:43.57 | Boulder | nice thx! |
| 08:44.00 | diveyez | Boulder: No we cannot see you. |
| 08:44.28 | Boulder | :( |
| 08:44.35 | poolson | https://pastebin.com/UvFJQCvm |
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| 08:44.37 | poolson | ok there we go |
| 08:45.28 | poolson | 10.2.0.1 is the server side of the icmp tunnel. |
| 08:46.11 | Rooot | anyway, thank you babilen :), bye! |
| 08:47.24 | poolson | 167.99.100.90 is the IP of the AP ive connected to (that i want to use the icmp thru) |
| 08:47.37 | diveyez | Hes making a dos bot, murder him! |
| 08:47.37 | poolson | 10.,224.0.1 is the gateway for the AP |
| 08:47.38 | diveyez | Lol |
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| 08:47.55 | diveyez | For best results, you should align the AP ip with the tunnel ip |
| 08:48.11 | diveyez | In example, my vpn is on 10.0.0.2 and ap is 10.0.0.1 |
| 08:48.17 | diveyez | There is no routing issues anymore |
| 08:49.05 | poolson | the ap in this case is form some isp ... but you think if i do the server as something like 10.224.01 i might be ok |
| 08:49.13 | poolson | ill give it a shot |
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| 08:50.32 | diveyez | My raspberry pi3 runs debian with hostapd for cell phone wifi and it is also aligned with said structure. It takes 0.12ms for a dhcp lease to be issued, before it took 1-2 minutes |
| 08:50.34 | poolson | hmm this might be tricky .. as it would require me to change configs on the server depending on where im at |
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| 08:55.28 | diveyez | I am thinking you have a filtered port problem |
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| 08:55.36 | diveyez | ISP's love to restrict networking power |
| 08:56.00 | poolson | filtered as in blocked ? |
| 08:56.08 | diveyez | ^ y |
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| 08:56.09 | poolson | well i can establish the tunnel no problem |
| 08:56.27 | poolson | and ping back to the client from the server and also ssh back to the client |
| 08:56.35 | poolson | so theres for sure a connection there |
| 08:56.47 | diveyez | I am truly confused then |
| 08:57.03 | diveyez | I must have read something wrong |
| 08:57.09 | diveyez | God I love bumblebee |
| 08:57.39 | poolson | maybe ill ask in#linux |
| 08:57.41 | diveyez | The switchable graphics allow me to play steam games when the boss isnt around =) |
| 08:57.53 | diveyez | #networking |
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| 08:58.20 | diveyez | Its safe to assume freenode is linux oritented =) |
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| 09:39.14 | Jemt | Hi. Upgrading from kernel 3.2 to 3.16 increases disk space by a staggering 164 MB - why is the upgrade so much bigger ? |
| 09:39.41 | Jemt | The download itself is only 34MB |
| 09:40.45 | Jemt | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.51 | jelly | Jemt: deb packages are compressed. Apparently kernel modules compress well. |
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| 09:41.45 | Jemt | Oh, okay. And I thought it would replace the old kernel, but perhaps it keeps it so I can easily revert back if needed, which explains why the increase in disk space used is so large. |
| 09:41.48 | jelly | Jemt: once you're sure the new kernel works well for an extended period of time you can uninstall the old one from Debian 7 |
| 09:42.29 | Jemt | Yes. Actually disk space it not a problem - I was just worried about the size - I thought the kernel was a lot smaller. |
| 09:43.17 | jelly | Debian builds and provides almost all the possible drivers that can be built, so the result takes some space |
| 09:43.41 | Jemt | Okay, makes sense. Thanks a lot for your help, much appreciated :-) |
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| 09:46.40 | Jemt | What !? 'uname -a' returns the new kernel I just upgraded to, but I haven't rebooted yet. Is Debian 8 capable of switching to the new kernel automatically now? I thought that required a micro kernel. |
| 09:46.56 | Jemt | Doh, sorry, wrong terminal |
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| 10:02.53 | wewlad | hello, my debian doesn't seem to have wheel group, is it normal? |
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| 10:04.41 | wewlad | what group should I set ownership of a dir to so that regular users (with uids >= 1000) would have access to it (assuming group mod is rwx)? |
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| 10:22.09 | Jemt | I have been running Debian 8 on kernel 3.2 and today I upgraded to 3.16. I have no data to back this up, but performance seems to have increased a lot. Am I imagining this or was the 3.2 kernel slower ? |
| 10:22.42 | Jemt | This is a server hosting about 50 websites. Page load went from 0.5 seconds to 0.1-0.2 seconds. |
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| 11:07.35 | fasdfd | I'd like to run a script at startup, after nginx is started. The scipr wgets my website to /dev/null to trigger nginx getting ocsp from the ocsp server |
| 11:08.00 | fasdfd | Is there some clever way to do it or should I try wait x seconds; in the scipt? |
| 11:08.41 | fasdfd | I see the After=network.target in rc.local.service, but I'm not sure if there's some equivalent to this for nginx and if it's good practice to somehow create it |
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| 11:10.04 | fasdfd | Another question is if it's somehow possible to register a service reload/restart/start event in a script or somehow else and if that happens run this scipt/command |
| 11:10.05 | poolson | maybe use a service |
| 11:10.18 | poolson | ExecStart |
| 11:10.24 | poolson | ExecStartPost |
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| 11:13.59 | fasdfd | poolson, doesn't this start in some random moment. Can I be sure it will reliably do what I want, because if the site isn't fetched at start, it will be broken until I do it manually. |
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| 11:22.14 | poolson | well whatever service script starts up nginx |
| 11:22.20 | poolson | maybe in there |
| 11:22.38 | poolson | you could always just write a simple script that does a https request to it until it gets a response |
| 11:22.49 | babilen | fasdfd: Why do you need to do this at all? |
| 11:22.50 | poolson | http request |
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| 11:25.11 | fasdfd | babilen, there's a ocsp stapling bug in nginx https://blog.crashed.org/nginx-stapling-busted/ https://unmitigatedrisk.com/?p=241 |
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| 11:25.30 | fasdfd | poolson, will it be overwritten every time nginx receives a security update? |
| 11:26.30 | fasdfd | is this good practice/reliable/something an experienced sysadmin would do? |
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| 11:33.19 | babilen | fwiw, #812 and #990 -- https://trac.nginx.org/nginx/ticket/812 |
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| 12:16.23 | fasdfd | what about it babilen? |
| 12:18.58 | babilen | Relevant bug reports on the nginx bugtracker |
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| 12:44.50 | Li | anyone: why changing keyboard shortcuts won't accept the combination Alt+Shift but accepts Shift+(anything)? |
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| 12:55.54 | Li | awesome shit ... so we are limited by which combinations satifys gnome! |
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| 12:59.02 | Li | + great support community ... all is good |
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| 14:08.49 | fasdfd | what is the good practice directory to put my own script that will run as root in nginx.service ExecStartPost=? |
| 14:09.05 | fasdfd | I'm assuming the permissions should be identical to those of /usr/sbin/nginx |
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| 14:15.37 | joshuaBPMan | good morning debian people! |
| 14:18.45 | joshuaBPMan | I'm trying to figure out what user started my nginx server... |
| 14:18.55 | joshuaBPMan | does nginx by default run under the person who installed it? |
| 14:18.59 | joshuaBPMan | does it run under a "web" user? |
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| 14:21.03 | ArlequInOut | joshuaBPMan, verify the logs "cat /var/log/auth.log" |
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| 14:21.22 | joshuaBPMan | ArlequInOut: I'll check that out. |
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| 14:22.28 | SporkWitch | joshuaBPMan: the master will typically be run by root, with the workerp processes under a dedicated user for nginx |
| 14:22.54 | joshuaBPMan | SporkWitch: would that dedicated user be nginx? |
| 14:23.21 | joshuaBPMan | actually I should be able to figure this out my looking at my nginx config files. |
| 14:23.59 | SporkWitch | joshuaBPMan: on my debian server it's www-data |
| 14:24.28 | joshuaBPMan | SporkWitch: yup! /etc/nginx.conf says it's www-data! |
| 14:24.30 | joshuaBPMan | thanks! |
| 14:25.24 | joshuaBPMan | SporkWitch: Thanks dude! You rock! and so does ArlequInOut! I've never heard of /var/log/auth.log! |
| 14:25.36 | joshuaBPMan | now my wordpress updates work with requiring ftp credentials! |
| 14:25.55 | wewlad | hello, my debian doesn't seem to have wheel group, is it normal? |
| 14:25.56 | wewlad | what group should I set ownership of a dir to so that regular users (with uids >= 1000) would have access to it (assuming group mod is rwx)? |
| 14:26.02 | SporkWitch | ....i feel like we've done more harm than help, at least when it wasn't responding to anything it was almost secure... lol |
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| 14:27.51 | SporkWitch | wewlad: there is no standard group for that purpose, at least not by default. It's on you to set up groups, as by default new users are only members of a self-named group; you would need to ensure all users you want are added to a "users" (or w/e you want to name it) group, that the directory is owned by that group, and that the setGID bit is on for that directory (this causes newly added files |
| 14:28.08 | SporkWitch | and directories to keep the parent dir's group ownership and setGID bit) |
| 14:29.12 | wewlad | SporkWitch: what's 'setGID bit'? how to check it? |
| 14:29.45 | SporkWitch | joshuaBPMan: please tell me you're not using FTP for sending things up to the wordpress install. wordpress is horribly insecure to begin with, adding something that transmits credentials in plaintext is even worse |
| 14:29.58 | SporkWitch | wewlad: https://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+the+setgid+bit |
| 14:30.12 | joshuaBPMan | SporkWitch: Nope. I'm not. With your help, I changed the permissions on /var/www/html; |
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| 14:30.24 | joshuaBPMan | now wordpress can update itself. |
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| 14:42.14 | deadrom | hi |
| 14:43.24 | deadrom | since installing pulseaudio cannot unmute sound with keyb/remote mmedia keys. muting works, but only mutes the speaker channels FR/L/R etc, not master volume. what can I do here? |
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| 14:44.40 | SporkWitch | check the "master" device in the audio/speaker widget in your DE |
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| 14:47.23 | deadrom | SporkWitch, got alsamixer |
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| 14:48.19 | SporkWitch | your media keys are handled by the DE; you need to make sure they're configured right under hotkeys (or similar) and that the audio widget is set to the main audio device as presented by pulseaudio; if it's saying alsamixer, that's probably your problem |
| 14:49.11 | deadrom | xfce is a bit simple in that regard. I'll ask them. |
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| 15:47.29 | moussa | zzzzz |
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| 15:52.04 | jhutchins | deadrom: In the current release of xfce, the audio mixer mutes both the master and the PCM channel, but unmute only unmutes master. It's a bug in the applet which has not been maintained for a while. |
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| 15:59.26 | deadrom | jhutchins, thanks, good to know |
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| 16:53.52 | jamesc | im having connectivity problems on another device, when I run "sudo apt-get -y install isc-dhcp-server", it can get as far as "Need to get 7,312 kB of archives. After this operation, 34.4 MB of additional disk space will be used." |
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| 16:54.07 | jamesc | does the device need connectivity to get this information? |
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| 16:54.54 | jamesc | after this message, it says "Temporary failure resolving" my mirror, though I can go to the url in my browser (on another device that has connectivity) |
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| 16:55.23 | Emil | Hey |
| 16:55.25 | jamesc | any ideas what is going on? |
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| 16:55.31 | Emil | What package do I need to install to get tlsv1.3 working? |
| 16:55.34 | jamesc | i can ping 8.8.8.8 for example |
| 16:55.35 | Emil | with nginx |
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| 16:58.10 | annadane | jamesc, have you tried another mirror? |
| 16:58.32 | jamesc | i think it's that the domain name resolution |
| 16:58.34 | jamesc | problem |
| 16:58.41 | jamesc | i can ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 16:58.46 | jamesc | but not ping google.com |
| 16:58.56 | jamesc | do i add something to /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 17:03.33 | vlt | jamesc: What does it look like now? |
| 17:04.30 | jamesc | it has one line, "nameserver 192.168.2.1" |
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| 17:04.38 | jamesc | which is the ip of the default gateway |
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| 17:05.16 | jamesc | i am trying something: to share internet with this debian device |
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| 17:05.57 | SporkWitch | check the interface config |
| 17:05.58 | jamesc | so it does not have internet access itself, but I am sharing from another device which is connected to it via ethernet |
| 17:06.18 | jamesc | SporkWitch where is that? |
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| 17:06.41 | SporkWitch | depends on what you're using to manage your interfaces |
| 17:06.47 | jamesc | ifconfig |
| 17:06.54 | jamesc | or ip addr |
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| 17:08.50 | jamesc | or /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:08.55 | jamesc | not sure what you mean |
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| 17:15.50 | jamesc | fucking fixed it |
| 17:15.55 | jamesc | feels so good lol |
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| 17:26.51 | Sepultura | Hallo |
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| 17:27.05 | Sepultura | is there a IPv7 under construction? |
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| 17:30.10 | rant | I had just tried to move some files to a FAT thumbdrive and when I put it in the other system they werent there I am thinking I may have pulled the drive out too quickly after telling caja to unmount it and it was not sync or something. I am trying to run scalpel on the disk now but I am open to other suggestions |
| 17:30.18 | rant | the source was an ext4 partition |
| 17:30.27 | rant | files are gone from there |
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| 17:32.26 | rant | if I am right about the issue forensics on the flashdrive is probably a waste of time cause it didnt make it there |
| 17:32.38 | rant | this scalpel is pretty f'n slow :P |
| 17:33.07 | rant | its gone over about 400MB of 4gb and says it still has over an hour left |
| 17:34.28 | rant | I should've learned by now to stop using a move to a thumdrive cause its unreliable :P |
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| 17:36.58 | vlt | rant: I'd make an image of the thumbdrivw right now and do any forensics on that image. |
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| 17:38.26 | rant | vlt: do you think its likely I'd get the files back from the thumbdrive or should I be focusing on the rootfs that was the source? |
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| 17:39.40 | rant | I'd completed the move, closed the app that did it, then clicked unmount in caja, and had to get up and walk over to the hub and unplug the drive but I guess it mustve been syncing or somehting cause when I put it in another machine the files werent on it |
| 17:39.49 | vlt | rant: I'd try both but first I'd restore from backup ;-) |
| 17:40.24 | rant | yeah problem is I got the originals but I just edited these copies I'd moved and didnt wanna have to edit all the originals again :P |
| 17:41.33 | rant | I may boot windows for the thumbdrive cause I think I have recuva on there and its f'n faster than this |
| 17:41.54 | rant | never used scalpel before but its cumbersome to say the least.. |
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| 17:46.30 | rant | oh well screw it just got a fan error.. knew that was comin in near future from the sound of it |
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| 17:47.22 | rant | may be able to svc but more than likely need a new fan.. theyre ususlly bout ten bucks for most thinkpads |
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| 17:48.39 | rant | thinkpads get real crazy if the fan has idsues i really dont wsnna hear that fn alarm goin off so.. heh.. will deal with this shit some othertime |
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| 18:06.32 | du5tball | Sepultura: what? |
| 18:07.15 | Sepultura | a IP Version 7 |
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| 18:09.04 | Maarten | No, and there is no need. IPv6 is so vast, that one could assign about 1,000 addresses to every single grain of sand on the entire planet. Roughly estimated, but you get the drift.... |
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| 18:12.01 | hyperlumic | That's actually the number of subnets available. |
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| 18:12.46 | hyperlumic | 18.5 quintillion subnets of 18.5 quintillion addresses each. Compare that to roughly 7.5 quintillion grains of sand on earth. |
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| 18:22.44 | SporkWitch | see also: https://www.xkcd.com/865/ |
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| 18:33.53 | BillyCro1k | I'm playing around with preseed to automate installs, and when a system has multiple nics it halts the automated install to ask which nic to use to download the preseed file! Is there a kernel arg I can pass in debian, similar to redhat's ksdevice=link, that would tell the installer environment to use which ever nic presently has a valid link? |
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| 18:36.40 | tpanarch1st | hi would @reboot /usr/local/bin/your-script.sh work in crontab when a system is started from having been shutdown |
| 18:36.45 | tpanarch1st | or just when it is rebooted please |
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| 18:37.22 | vlt | tpanarch1st: afaik @reboot applies to any boot |
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| 18:37.48 | tpanarch1st | thanks vlt :) |
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| 18:41.06 | BillyCrook | Anyone here have experience automating installs of debian, or is there a better channel for that? |
| 18:41.53 | SporkWitch | BillyCrook: don't ask to ask |
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| 18:47.03 | BillyCrook | SporkWitch: Is there a better channel for installing debian as opposed to using debian day to day? |
| 18:47.42 | vlt | !ask |
| 18:47.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:49.31 | BillyCrook | I'm playing around with preseed to automate installs, and when a system has multiple nics it halts the automated install to ask which nic to use to download the preseed file! Is there a kernel arg I can pass in debian, similar to redhat's ksdevice=link, that would tell the installer environment to use which ever nic presently has a valid link? |
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| 19:35.59 | sine0 | ok between grep and find, whats best for search for file for a certain phrase recursivly |
| 19:36.30 | sine0 | find . -iname filename; but what about something inside a file |
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| 19:37.38 | SPF | sine0: find . -type f -name "*txt" -exec grep "needle" {} \; -print |
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| 19:59.42 | mappojy | how does debian handles the case where two different packages want to install the same manpage? Say for example two packages want to install man/man1/xxx.1 |
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| 20:35.01 | sine0 | SPF: thanks bro |
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| 20:36.55 | slidinghorn | mappojy that (If I'm understanding things correctly) shouldn't happen. Each package should have its own unique man page |
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| 20:38.31 | hypn0 | mappojy: which packages? |
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| 20:42.31 | mappojy | slidinghorn: hypn0: no package in particular, I was just wondering how debian handles the case for example if a package adds a new manpage but another page with the same name/section already exists |
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| 20:47.14 | nwm | how do you get lto working with gcc on debian? |
| 20:47.25 | nwm | have gold installed just not used to the different /lib layout |
| 20:47.40 | nwm | usually I would just symlink liblto to /usr/lib/bfd-plugins |
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| 21:16.25 | wewlad | I don't understand permissions |
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| 21:17.12 | jaybe | "basic unix file permissions" <- search term |
| 21:17.33 | wewlad | so I have a dir that I chown'ed with `user1:users` and chmod'ed with '6770', my user is in 'users' group (user1 is also in that group), I do `ls` onto that dir and get permission denied |
| 21:18.48 | mappojy | 6770 or 0677? |
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| 21:20.07 | wewlad | 6770 |
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| 21:20.45 | wewlad | 6 as for suid+guid 7 for user 'user1' (not me), and 7 for group 'users' (which I'm in), 0 for 'world' |
| 21:20.50 | wewlad | why do I not have permissions?? |
| 21:21.42 | wewlad | why does `ls -lash` show 'drwsrws---' - what is 's'? |
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| 21:21.53 | hyperlumic | suid and sgid, you've already said it. |
| 21:21.54 | tw | wewlad: check directories above it. |
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| 21:22.38 | wewlad | tw: root:root, ?755 |
| 21:22.54 | tw | and your user can access and list the directory above it? |
| 21:23.02 | wewlad | yes |
| 21:23.02 | hyperlumic | wewlad: Every directory leading to the directory you care about, you have to have traversal permissions on (on directories, x is traversal.) |
| 21:23.14 | wewlad | because of '5' for the world |
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| 21:23.48 | hyperlumic | Not just the one above it. EVERY directory, all the way up to the root. |
| 21:24.22 | wewlad | hyperlumic: so root should have at least ~711? |
| 21:24.28 | wewlad | (755) |
| 21:24.38 | tw | wewlad: I mean you have actually tested that you can access the directory above it. |
| 21:24.53 | wewlad | tw I can ls it |
| 21:24.56 | hyperlumic | wewlad: Don't muck with the root entry itself. |
| 21:25.11 | wewlad | hyperlumic: I meant '/' |
| 21:25.16 | tw | wewlad: does `groups` show users as one of the entries? |
| 21:25.34 | wewlad | tw: hm, no |
| 21:25.41 | tw | wewlad: log out and log back in |
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| 21:26.08 | wewlad | that worked |
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| 21:26.15 | wewlad | yay |
| 21:26.17 | wewlad | thanks, tw |
| 21:26.37 | SporkWitch | wewlad: if you're trying to do what i helped you with earlier, you only wanted SGID; SUID is something else and has significant implications |
| 21:26.45 | wewlad | I thought opening new tmux tab was enough, I was wrong |
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| 21:27.04 | SporkWitch | new tmux tab inherits the parent shell's permissions |
| 21:27.14 | wewlad | SporkWitch: I know I needed just SGID, I just tried it and it looked as it failed to work, so I set both |
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| 21:28.28 | wewlad | damn |
| 21:28.35 | wewlad | I just did a very wrong thing |
| 21:28.36 | SporkWitch | wewlad: SUID on a dir will USUALLY either do nothing or also apply the owner of the parent, SGID is the one that's pretty much always going to work. SGID is of concern because if you set it on a FILE it allows anyone with execute permissions to run it as that user. |
| 21:28.48 | wewlad | I did `sudo chmod -R 2770 /mnt/` |
| 21:29.01 | tw | you probably didn't want to do that for files. |
| 21:29.08 | wewlad | yeah |
| 21:29.26 | wewlad | there's no undo, is there? :( |
| 21:29.46 | tw | find /mnt ! -type d -exec somethingsomethng {} + |
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| 21:30.04 | SporkWitch | in short: no, there isn't. think hard before executing a command as root |
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| 21:30.51 | tw | but yeah, it's not practical to restore the previous state. |
| 21:30.58 | wewlad | well, screw that then |
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| 21:31.50 | tw | I wonder if there's a version of gnu coreutils that will store the last permissions in a user xattr. |
| 21:31.59 | tw | that might be interesting. |
| 21:32.07 | tw | and potentially wasteful of io. |
| 21:33.13 | SporkWitch | tw: seems like it'd get bloaty pretty fast. there's stuff like etckeeper that tracks /etc/ complete with permissions in a git repo, but even that's not perfect |
| 21:34.33 | wewlad | can I do `chown root:users`? does it make sense? |
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| 21:36.45 | SporkWitch | wewlad: that changes the ownership, not the permissions |
| 21:36.52 | SporkWitch | wewlad: also, DON"T |
| 21:39.11 | tw | SporkWitch: maybe if the files don't already have xattr attached (like security contexts or acls). Otherwise, it's only like 10-15 bytes, depending on the name of the xattr. Doing the same thing with acls becomes harder. |
| 21:39.18 | wewlad | SporkWitch: why not? |
| 21:39.48 | wewlad | with such ownership I could set 770 on it and have access to that dir from users of group 'users' |
| 21:39.55 | tw | 10-15 bytes on an already allocated inode. |
| 21:40.16 | SporkWitch | wewlad: because there's a lot of stuff that should only be readable by root, and what you're doing would set everything to root:users, which will typically be nondesirable. |
| 21:40.52 | wewlad | SporkWitch: nah, I'm just talking about a dir I just like to keep in root for shorter path |
| 21:42.03 | SporkWitch | twitches |
| 21:42.14 | SporkWitch | wewlad: man fhs |
| 21:42.27 | SporkWitch | sorry, man hier |
| 21:43.07 | wewlad | SporkWitch: those are recommendations |
| 21:43.17 | wewlad | it's not a rule |
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| 21:44.52 | SporkWitch | wewlad: they are recommendations for a reason. "shorter path" is not a sane reason to violate it, as there are better ways to achieve whatever your actual goal is. |
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| 21:58.12 | A|an | Where's apt-conf, in Jessie? |
| 21:58.57 | A|an | It's not in /etc/apt...only the daemon |
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| 22:00.30 | annadane | is there a way to list packages you have installed from a certain release, specifically i want to see what i have installed from backports |
| 22:00.43 | SlidingHorn | A|an, I'm not sure there should be one by default, but you can make it on your own: https://wiki.debian.org/AptConf |
| 22:01.14 | A|an | odd...thanks |
| 22:02.28 | SlidingHorn | annadane, apt list --installed | grep -i backports ? |
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| 22:03.03 | annadane | oh. duh. |
| 22:03.13 | annadane | ty |
| 22:03.30 | SlidingHorn | any time :) |
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| 22:16.07 | TvL2386 | hey guys. I have a bash script that receives an argument which can be anything. In this case I'm getting: "Super Mario World (U) [!].smc" as first argument in $1 |
| 22:16.15 | TvL2386 | without double quotes |
| 22:16.27 | TvL2386 | at some point in my script I want to give it to another process |
| 22:16.53 | TvL2386 | but how can I give it as an argument... can't put in '$1' |
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| 22:18.28 | TvL2386 | I'm thinking way too difficult |
| 22:18.31 | TvL2386 | double quotes work |
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| 22:31.23 | SporkWitch | TvL2386: that's basic shell scripting :) double quotes allow variable expansion, while single quotes do not |
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| 22:43.27 | aokfire | Any email client recommendation that separates local stored emails in separate folders and separate files? Sylpheed I can't figure out, seems to lump it all into one folder |
| 22:43.35 | aokfire | Thunderbird seems to use mbox and not mdir |
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