| 00:04.49 | coruja | !netinstall |
| 00:04.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 00:18.11 | Sansar | Hello, has anyone faced a problem with tor browser after the recent update? It just does not start the application now. |
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| 00:25.46 | bdax | Sansar: try running it from the command line, it should give you something to go on/paste here |
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| 00:29.38 | Sansar | bdax: torbrowser-launcher |
| 00:29.39 | Sansar | Tor Browser Launcher |
| 00:29.40 | Sansar | By Micah Lee, licensed under MIT |
| 00:29.42 | Sansar | version 0.2.8 |
| 00:29.43 | Sansar | https://github.com/micahflee/torbrowser-launcher |
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| 00:31.02 | bdax | Sansar: I meant, use something like https://paste.debian.net/ |
| 00:31.06 | Sansar | sorry, forgot the flood rule |
| 00:31.40 | annadane | Sansar, paste.debian.net |
| 00:32.29 | Sansar | ok, https://paste.debian.net/1007263 |
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| 00:40.45 | JyZyXEL | can a lvm snapshot be deleted while the original lv is still mounted? |
| 00:42.08 | RoyK | I beleive so, unless it's active |
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| 00:42.24 | RoyK | but why would you do that? |
| 00:42.47 | JyZyXEL | because i don't need the snapshot of my old rootfs anymore |
| 00:43.21 | RoyK | lvchange -a n /bla/bla |
| 00:44.15 | JyZyXEL | RoyK: that would be not a good idea as it would also change the origin to Not active |
| 00:44.55 | RoyK | no idea |
| 00:45.25 | RoyK | is the snap/clone mounted? |
| 00:45.27 | JyZyXEL | yeah, just a simple 'lvremove /dev/mapper/..' did the trick |
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| 00:49.16 | coruja | Sansar, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851236 |
| 00:49.17 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/851236 in torbrowser-launcher (open): «torbrowser-launcher gives python errors and doesn't launch»; severity: important; opened: 2017-01-13; last modified: 2017-05-02. |
| 00:50.13 | coruja | but that one doesn't seem to match |
| 00:51.14 | Sansar | coruja: after checking out other bug pages, I found this as well: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=888236 |
| 00:51.15 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/888236 in torbrowser-launcher (forwarded): «torbrowser-launcher: broken by Tor Browser 7.5: No such file or directory: '.../Docs/sources/versions'»; severity: serious; opened: 2018-01-24; last modified: 2018-01-24. |
| 00:51.23 | Sansar | probably it is a general problem after 7.5 upgrade |
| 00:51.37 | coruja | https://github.com/micahflee/torbrowser-launcher/issues/306 |
| 00:51.58 | Sansar | judd: exactly what I was looking at |
| 00:52.45 | Sansar | so it seems that there is nothing to do |
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| 00:58.43 | Sansar | well, a long shot and work around but Workaround: Run '/home/your_user/.local/share/torbrowser/tbb/x86_64/tor-browser_en-EN/start-tor-browser.desktop' (this path may be different on other setups). seems to work well |
| 00:58.46 | Sansar | Thanks again for all the help |
| 00:58.52 | Sansar | finally it works again |
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| 02:47.39 | mkultramagnus | what's the recommended way to upgrade to a more recent kernel? |
| 02:48.22 | ryouma | backports perhaps |
| 02:48.34 | vergilzen | Could you be more specific? |
| 02:48.36 | ryouma | they are reputationally better supported than most backports |
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| 02:54.02 | mkultramagnus | well, that's it really. i have a host running quite an old kernel version. and i'd like to update/upgrade the kernel without having to torch the whole thing and start again with a fresh .iso |
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| 03:12.21 | mkultramagnus | it's not updating automatically |
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| 03:20.33 | rant | I used to roll my own kernels but honestly I'm not sure I'd even know how to now :P From what I've heard deb packaging of them works differently now.. kernel-package is gone. I should probably learn the new way. |
| 03:20.53 | somiaj | rant: make deb-pkg |
| 03:21.06 | rant | yeah its mainlined now right? |
| 03:21.10 | somiaj | rant: after it is configured any method, such as menuconfig |
| 03:21.15 | RoyK | rant: no need anymore - I haven't done that for 10+ years |
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| 03:21.43 | somiaj | I think build-essential is enough for that to work. Though I don't roll my own kernels anymore, they got too complicated for me about 3.0 |
| 03:22.12 | rant | thats the only degree of SNS Syndrome I ever had was with kernels.. I liked seeing what new features there were and learning about them |
| 03:22.53 | RoyK | rant: use that in a VM |
| 03:22.57 | rant | takes hours going through the configs when things change.. |
| 03:23.01 | RoyK | with slackware or something |
| 03:24.22 | rant | having a look at slackware might not be such a bad idea.. I haven't used it in almost 15 years |
| 03:25.03 | RoyK | started out with slackware in 1994 and didn't use it for so long |
| 03:25.33 | rant | I almost became a slackware user until I realized all that configuring took too much time.. Debian is nice cause it has good default WIDHE config.. and you can just tweak as needed |
| 03:25.58 | RoyK | I know |
| 03:26.25 | RoyK | I had to build a kernel some years back - sometimes it needs to be done |
| 03:26.27 | RoyK | mostly not |
| 03:26.58 | klys | what kernel did you build |
| 03:28.12 | rant | I'd first bought RH 5.2 at the store for $24, tried corel, then found Mandrake and used that awhile to get comfortable and realized I'd never learn much with all their GUI config interfaces and sparse documentation.. I'd used slackware while seeking another distro and eventually found debian.org and read Why Debian and the Social Contract and was sold |
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| 03:29.36 | awal1 | aptitude hold dash |
| 03:29.47 | awal1 | sorry |
| 03:29.52 | rant | I only kept rolling my own just to stay up to date on the latest kernel features.. otherwise I'd probably not learned about many of those more obscure things like kexec |
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| 03:37.16 | RoyK | klys: can't recall - it was some specific case |
| 03:37.24 | klys | k ok |
| 03:38.21 | RoyK | klys: a few years I did my own "distro", that is, it was just a miniature kernel and init and a video streaming server |
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| 03:38.54 | RoyK | worked well, though - 80MB/s for random access from four 120GB drives |
| 03:39.15 | klys | royk, what gfx card? |
| 03:39.26 | RoyK | no, server |
| 03:39.35 | RoyK | for a bunch of clients |
| 03:39.45 | klys | oh ic |
| 03:40.19 | RoyK | thing is, if you want to do streaming with spinning rust, use a large blocksize |
| 03:40.25 | RoyK | it's that simple |
| 03:40.30 | RoyK | (or almost) |
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| 03:42.20 | RoyK | klys: the company didn't make it, though - had to pay a ton for hollywood content, so even though the system was better than whatever else, boom |
| 03:43.52 | klys | yeah, if i was doing streaming multicast i'd rely on another site mostly |
| 03:45.30 | klys | would have to use ipv6 too |
| 03:46.22 | RoyK | this was for unicast only |
| 03:46.34 | RoyK | and it was before ipv6 was common |
| 03:47.05 | RoyK | btw, I've built an infoscreen system on ipv6 - we're rolling it out on hioa.no these days |
| 03:47.14 | RoyK | using raspberry pi |
| 03:47.15 | klys | well all the ipv4 224.x.x.x addresses have been sucked up long ago |
| 03:47.18 | RoyK | works well |
| 03:47.40 | RoyK | will be open sourced when it's stable-ish |
| 03:47.47 | RoyK | which will be soon |
| 03:48.22 | RoyK | pretty neat to use hw-based SLAAC addresses to link a specific pi to a page |
| 03:49.56 | klys | infoscreen is for public video, no? |
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| 03:50.28 | klys | what I want to do is apply the multiparty approval voting principle to a video feed |
| 03:50.40 | RoyK | mostly it's just a webbrowser, but then, they can do video on a pi via a browser these days |
| 03:50.56 | klys | oic |
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| 03:51.54 | RoyK | klys: something like this? https://karlsbakk.net/fun/usa/voting_machine.wmv |
| 03:54.31 | klys | royk, a web form with checkboxes for write-in video candidates |
| 03:54.42 | klys | that was funny tho |
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| 03:56.19 | RoyK | klys: back when bush jr won, there was a lot of talk about those voting machines ;) |
| 03:57.07 | klys | yeah there was a book, votescam iirc |
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| 03:57.48 | RoyK | well, it's good the US has a good president now |
| 03:58.00 | RoyK | hides under a chair |
| 03:58.06 | klys | i wish I could comment on that |
| 03:58.13 | klys | :) |
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| 03:59.09 | RoyK | klys: I'm norwegian, I'm member of a party called red, which would make me a communist in the us, at lest by people who don't think ;) |
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| 03:59.54 | klys | well have you heard of multiparty voting methods? |
| 04:00.02 | RoyK | indeed |
| 04:00.09 | klys | ok just making sure |
| 04:00.11 | RoyK | we have such a method |
| 04:00.17 | RoyK | it doesn't always work that well |
| 04:00.29 | klys | I heard ireland did |
| 04:00.31 | RoyK | but it's better than the two-party thing in the us |
| 04:01.14 | RoyK | invites klys to #debian-offtopic |
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| 04:26.49 | grungy | An I the only staying with an ssh session as root for no reason ? |
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| 05:01.10 | metax | grungy, nope i always work as root on ssh and keep them on 24/7 |
| 05:01.29 | metax | because sudo is not orthodoxal |
| 05:01.48 | grungy | :)) |
| 05:02.29 | RoyK | the nice thing about logging as root directly with several sysadmins, is that it's pretty hard to trace who fucked up |
| 05:02.41 | metax | lol |
| 05:02.58 | metax | well i prefer to not have several sysadmins on my systems |
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| 05:03.16 | metax | human factor is destructive |
| 05:03.31 | RoyK | metax: we have 150 linux servers |
| 05:03.47 | RoyK | metax: you can't dedicate a sysadmin to each of them |
| 05:04.18 | metax | i'am acttually dedicated 50 servers and it's fine |
| 05:04.46 | RoyK | ok, what happens if you get sick? |
| 05:04.49 | RoyK | or die? |
| 05:05.14 | RoyK | break a leg and then back to work - who did what? |
| 05:05.16 | metax | i have a successor of my ssh keys |
| 05:05.21 | metax | in case of that |
| 05:06.01 | RoyK | still, I prefer sudo |
| 05:06.10 | RoyK | add users to a group to do things |
| 05:06.21 | RoyK | it works, and it logs well |
| 05:06.39 | metax | of course sudo is nice |
| 05:06.50 | metax | for bigger companies at least |
| 05:07.09 | RoyK | well, start using it when you're small |
| 05:07.19 | RoyK | then it doesn't make such a hassle when it grows |
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| 05:08.01 | RoyK | setup groups with LDAP or similar to control it |
| 05:08.09 | RoyK | only allow root on console |
| 05:08.19 | RoyK | password in safe |
| 05:08.29 | RoyK | et cetera et cetera ad infinitum |
| 05:08.59 | RoyK | ffs - if you're interested in security, play by the old rules |
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| 05:10.05 | metax | was just about to mention that, yes my company does security consulting and we have some knowledge on these things |
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| 06:28.29 | codingquark | I have http://ix.io/EH6 non-free installed, and I want to get rid of all non-free packages. I know I can remove unrar, but are the rest of them safe to be removed? |
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| 06:33.42 | codingquark | "firmware-misc-nonfree" has skylake firmwares, and I'm not sure if I can remove it. Similarly, I am not sure about "intel-microcode" |
| 06:33.47 | codingquark | Thanks! |
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| 06:41.41 | rant | codingquark: a system will run without any non-free stuff you just may have less features.. like if you have an amd-graphics card that required firmware you would not be able ot use the acceleration, if you had a wifi card that requires non-free firmware it won't work.. etc |
| 06:42.21 | rant | as for unrar there is a free version available.. again with limited features |
| 06:43.26 | codingquark | rant: understood. I remember installing amd drivers to check if my gfx is able to do DRI_PRIME=1. I'm removing all non-free then. Thanks! |
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| 06:45.58 | rant | codingquark: out of curiousity, why are you purging the non-free? |
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| 06:46.40 | codingquark | rant: Freedom. |
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| 06:47.03 | Sveta | :) |
| 06:48.15 | rant | codingquark: kudos.. |
| 06:48.35 | codingquark | :D |
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| 06:49.38 | rant | I want freedom, yes? ( |
| 06:49.38 | rant | 20/5000 |
| 06:49.50 | rant | idk wth that was |
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| 06:50.46 | rant | ah.. damn I'm tired :P |
| 06:51.30 | codingquark | I mean I installed Debian for a reason! |
| 06:52.12 | rant | we all did |
| 06:52.14 | klys | yeah because it has wireless-drivers |
| 06:52.30 | klys | :) |
| 06:52.49 | rant | however freedom is being free to not be non-free :P |
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| 06:53.04 | darxmurf | morning |
| 06:53.04 | rant | or contrib.. |
| 06:53.06 | codingquark | My wireless doesn't work, RTL8723be |
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| 06:53.34 | rant | codingquark: is that a statement or a question? |
| 06:53.46 | codingquark | rant: That's a statement. |
| 06:53.53 | codingquark | And I honestly don't care! |
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| 06:54.17 | codingquark | I have managed to live without it. |
| 06:54.29 | klys | https://akshaycv006.wordpress.com/2017/01/12/installing-realtek-rtl8723be-driver-for-ubuntu-debian-or-fedora/ |
| 06:54.32 | rant | I'm not surprised |
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| 06:55.13 | rant | people have been known to life without wifi.. for well... ever since there have been people |
| 06:56.12 | codingquark | klys: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-realtek it's non-free. |
| 06:56.48 | klys | condingquark, drat. guess you'll have to use your fone |
| 06:56.49 | codingquark | If it was available so easily, I would already have it! :-P I mean, WiFi is of great convenience. I have spent some time searching if something can be done. |
| 06:57.14 | codingquark | klys: I have taken upon using ethernet for now. |
| 06:57.26 | klys | sure you did |
| 06:57.41 | Sveta | Some wifi cards can be replaced with a free & cheap Atheros wifi card that fits. |
| 06:57.45 | codingquark | But, I have tried phone once. So that in the needs of emergency, I can do _something_. |
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| 06:58.21 | klys | yeah most wifi cards are the same form-factor |
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| 06:58.41 | rant | not really.. |
| 06:59.07 | rant | some are usb, some are mini pci, some are mini pcie, some are pci, some are pcie.. etc |
| 06:59.09 | Sveta | At least WiFi cards form factors as not as different as mobo form factors. I heard those are dramatically different between laptop models and manufacturers. |
| 06:59.35 | rant | ah if we're speaking of laptops alone.. that narrows it some :P |
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| 06:59.47 | klys | https://ssli.ebayimg.com/images/g/G9wAAOSwYbhZ27ai/s-l640.jpg |
| 06:59.53 | rant | but yeah, they're typically one of the few swappable parts in a laptop |
| 07:00.18 | klys | and that snaps right into the pci card |
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| 07:00.43 | rant | some even have nice little access panels to get to them |
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| 07:13.44 | darxmurf | Realtek wireless are crap |
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| 07:14.02 | darxmurf | go for intel |
| 07:16.07 | Sveta | Intel wireless often is nonfree as well. |
| 07:16.17 | darxmurf | but it works... |
| 07:16.30 | Sveta | $nonFreeOS works too. |
| 07:16.38 | Sveta | Until it bugs out, and you can't gdb. |
| 07:16.45 | darxmurf | I had a realtek card in a HP business laptop. it was randomly working under windows and linux |
| 07:17.36 | darxmurf | I tried all the drivers and all the weird patches and tweeks |
| 07:18.53 | darxmurf | there was apparently some issues with some chips in access points and I was unable to connect on those one |
| 07:20.00 | darxmurf | anyway it was a pain in the ass, I replaced it with an intel card and it fixed everything |
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| 07:31.39 | brimonk | Anyone know what packages I'd need to compile/run go programs on Debian? |
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| 07:36.19 | Sveta | brimonk: golang-go ? |
| 07:36.48 | BanHammor | alternatively, gcc-go, if you -really- want to. |
| 07:37.57 | codingquark | $nonFreeOS is the best, because it "Just Worksâ¢" |
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| 07:49.23 | darxmurf | codingquark: true |
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| 10:26.18 | colo-work | hi |
| 10:26.46 | colo-work | anyone else running clamav and freshclam in daemon mode on wheezy or jessie and experiencing problems related to too many open files after a while? |
| 10:26.59 | colo-work | this started to happen today, and I guess it's related to a signature update |
| 10:27.11 | colo-work | (stretch hosts do not seem to be affected afaict so far) |
| 10:29.34 | babilen | colo-work: I can confirm similar clamav problems |
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| 10:29.55 | colo-work | feels good not to be alone |
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| 10:46.44 | thejester | any live-build specialist around ? |
| 10:48.46 | BanHammor | probably on #debian-devel at OFTC |
| 10:48.53 | colo-work | babilen, can you also confirm that stretch's build of clamav doesn't have trouble? |
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| 10:50.15 | babilen | colo-work: Looks like it (I wasn't dealing with that, but that's my impression so far) |
| 10:50.30 | babilen | thejester: #debian-live |
| 10:51.29 | thejester | just little old me in there :) |
| 10:51.31 | colo-work | babilen, thanks |
| 10:52.37 | uptime | thejester: its probably on OFTC (another IRC network) as mentioned above |
| 10:52.40 | babilen | thejester: You appear to be on the wrong network, you are looking for irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net) |
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| 10:52.47 | babilen | dpkg: oftc move |
| 10:52.48 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 10:52.59 | babilen | It's only been twelve years ;) |
| 10:53.13 | thejester | hehehe |
| 10:53.21 | thejester | hows that for a winterssleep |
| 10:53.53 | thejester | ill try there, thanks |
| 10:56.44 | babilen | All the best! |
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| 11:13.12 | Kelsar | is there a final clamav 0.99.3 allready somewhere? |
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| 11:17.31 | colo-work | babilen, in case you read German: https://www.heise.de/security/meldung/Jetzt-patchen-Angriffe-auf-Viren-Scanner-ClamAV-3951801.html |
| 11:19.46 | Kelsar | yes, just needed to shutdown our mailserver :( |
| 11:20.08 | babilen | colo-work: Natürlich, danke schön :) |
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| 11:23.13 | colo-work | Kelsar, I just reconfigured amavis to not consult clamd any more |
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| 11:23.56 | Kelsar | colo-work: not really a solution, the prepared PDFs will just run through, also the setup was before my tie so no amavis, just plaim clamsmtp |
| 11:24.03 | Kelsar | time |
| 11:24.39 | colo-work | are you afraid that your clients also have a vulnerable clamav installation? ;) |
| 11:25.34 | Kelsar | colo-work: there could be others things hidden |
| 11:25.47 | colo-work | yeah sure, but that's always the case |
| 11:25.52 | colo-work | snakeoil is just that, in the end |
| 11:26.10 | colo-work | but if it's known to be vulnerable, it really is 100% liability, 0% feature |
| 11:26.40 | Kelsar | does not matter, if the contract states the mails are going to be scanned, then the mails are going to be scanned. |
| 11:27.55 | colo-work | and if you "scan" them via `cat` instead? |
| 11:28.17 | Kelsar | colo-work: sorry, i won't discuss that, especially not right now |
| 11:28.31 | colo-work | *shrug* |
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| 11:33.51 | BluesKaj | hmmm, do i detect slight paranoia |
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| 11:55.57 | TomyWork | hi there |
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| 12:14.28 | DarkSpartan | Is sudo included with Debian Stretch by default? |
| 12:14.51 | babilen | What do you mean by "included" ? |
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| 12:15.19 | babilen | It's in the repos, but not installed by default .. not sure if that satisfies "included" |
| 12:15.22 | babilen | dpkg: sudoers |
| 12:15.22 | dpkg | From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information. |
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| 12:16.13 | DarkSpartan | Nvm that sentence, wasn't thinking what I should write thoroughly |
| 12:16.42 | BluesKaj | you mean't installed default |
| 12:16.57 | DarkSpartan | yeah, that one |
| 12:17.03 | BluesKaj | by default rather |
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| 12:17.41 | babilen | It's installed by default if you don't configure the root password |
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| 12:17.55 | DarkSpartan | ohk |
| 12:17.56 | BluesKaj | become root with su then install sudo |
| 12:20.17 | DarkSpartan | did |
| 12:20.28 | DarkSpartan | but now, I can't do Visudo |
| 12:20.30 | BluesKaj | babilen: if you don't add a root password, doesn't that restrict access to files owned by root? or does sudo give root permissions? |
| 12:20.41 | JustASlacker | sudo su |
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| 12:20.52 | JustASlacker | actually |
| 12:20.55 | JustASlacker | sudo su - |
| 12:21.23 | BluesKaj | DarkSpartan: relogin after adding yourself to sudo |
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| 12:24.14 | DarkSpartan | BluesKaj: Thanks, but my account name wasn't in the sudoers file |
| 12:24.23 | DarkSpartan | just added it |
| 12:25.24 | BluesKaj | same thing...I think |
| 12:27.08 | babilen | DarkSpartan: You can also run "adduser YOUR_USER sudo" to add yourself to the "sudo" group, which grants (minimally secure) root permissions as detailed above |
| 12:27.29 | babilen | considers that better than adding similar entries for every user |
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| 12:27.45 | babilen | That is .. unless you configure something different naturally |
| 12:27.55 | DarkSpartan | bablien: Thanks, but I granted myself sudo permissions |
| 12:28.16 | DarkSpartan | Scroll up |
| 12:28.22 | babilen | Sure .. it's just that the group has already been configured in the same way |
| 12:29.00 | babilen | (just going by "least surprising") |
| 12:29.09 | DarkSpartan | okay... |
| 12:29.56 | babilen | When I see an entry specific to a single user my first assumption would be that the sudo configuration is different than what is used for the "sudo" group (as the admin would have just used that) |
| 12:30.07 | babilen | Both approaches are, naturally, fine |
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| 12:30.50 | DarkSpartan | ok, Thanks for trying to help me out |
| 12:31.32 | DarkSpartan | And please excuse my grammar, It's been a while since I've even had a Convo in English |
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| 12:32.36 | DarkSpartan | I might come off as rude, but do know that that's not my intention |
| 12:32.58 | DarkSpartan | I really appreciate your help |
| 12:37.01 | babilen | DarkSpartan: Not at all |
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| 12:53.58 | thunder123485 | hi all, I'm having a problem that seems to be rare enough thtat I'm getting no google results on it: when I try to mount either an NFS or CIFS volume, I'm getting the following dmesg log entry: cifs: Unknown symbol vfs_submount (err 0) |
| 12:54.12 | thunder123485 | identical message for nfs: nfs: Unknown symbol vfs_submount (err 0) |
| 12:54.34 | thunder123485 | Linux local 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.13-1~bpo8+1 (2017-02-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 12:54.55 | thunder123485 | any ideas why this may be? I'm at a loss as to what to investigate. |
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| 12:55.50 | SirLagz | thunder123485: tried upgrading your kernel? that's a pretty old kernel |
| 12:56.37 | thunder123485 | hmm. I just recently did an upgrade to stretch, but let me see |
| 12:57.09 | SirLagz | thunder123485: you're using a backports kernel. should probably make sure you're using the kernel from stable |
| 12:57.18 | thunder123485 | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/linux-image-amd64 says 4.9.0.5 is the current. |
| 12:57.37 | colo-work | thunder123485, make sure you actually boot a kernel image that corresponds to a installed kernel package, too |
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| 12:57.47 | babilen | You have booted a backported kernel though .. Is linux-image-amd64 installed? |
| 12:58.09 | thunder123485 | yes, that I am. (I'm trying to remember why I used backports. Off-topic: Could it be due to nvidia cuda?) |
| 12:58.10 | babilen | (or which kernel images do you have installed exactly?) |
| 12:58.32 | babilen | Ah, if you require nvidia, you probably want linux-headers-amd64 too |
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| 12:58.58 | thunder123485 | babilen: that same version number shows up when I look in /boot, if that's what you're asking. |
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| 12:59.15 | SirLagz | thunder123485: what's `dpkg -l | grep linux-image` show? |
| 12:59.25 | babilen | thunder123485: What does 'aptitude search "~i~n^linux-"' give you? |
| 12:59.52 | thunder123485 | ii linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 4.9.18-1~bpo8+1 amd64 Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs (signed) |
| 13:00.12 | babilen | That's all? |
| 13:00.20 | thunder123485 | i linux-base - Linux image base package i linux-compiler-gcc-4.8-x86 - Compiler for Linux on x86 (meta-package) i linux-compiler-gcc-4.9-x86 - Compiler for Linux on x86 (meta-package) i A linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 - Compiler for Linux on x86 (meta-package) i linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 13:00.29 | babilen | â http://paste.debian.net, https://gist.github.com, http://sprunge.us, ⦠|
| 13:00.34 | thunder123485 | babilen: first one was dpkg -l |
| 13:00.52 | babilen | You might want to install linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64 as suggested |
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| 13:01.03 | babilen | That should pull in suitable kernel images from now on |
| 13:01.31 | thunder123485 | ok, I will do that. Could you briefly explain what that package is? |
| 13:01.40 | thunder123485 | headers, I get. but what exactly is image? |
| 13:01.50 | SirLagz | thunder123485: meta-package for the latest stable debian kernel |
| 13:02.12 | SirLagz | and headers |
| 13:02.18 | thunder123485 | will that automatically upgrade the kernel? or is it there simply for linking etc? |
| 13:02.28 | SirLagz | thunder123485: yes, it'll automatically upgrade the kernel too |
| 13:03.07 | babilen | It's a metapackage that always depends on the "latest" kernel and header package .. that way you'll get new kernels and header when you perform (dist-)upgrades |
| 13:03.48 | thunder123485 | I see. |
| 13:04.14 | babilen | If you don't install that, but only a specific, versioned kernel/header package you'll stick to that versino |
| 13:04.39 | thunder123485 | alright. I'm already off bpo and got a new version. let me reboot and see if the problem persists. |
| 13:04.51 | thunder123485 | I'd rather have cifs than cuda at this moment, so I can deal with cuda down the line. |
| 13:04.54 | babilen | I would default to linux-{image,headers}-amd64 and install other packages explicitly |
| 13:05.55 | thunder123485 | I'm not exactly sure how I landed where I am now. I do recall the jessie -> stretch transition to be particularly hairy |
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| 13:12.57 | Iridos | funny⦠jessie->stretch went like a charm for me |
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| 13:13.25 | SirLagz | same here |
| 13:17.11 | BluesKaj | lots of users forget to to update/upgrade existing packages before upgrading to the new OS |
| 13:19.29 | Iridos | kernel may always need an extra command for an upgrade, as it sticks with version if the meta-package is missing |
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| 13:25.23 | thunder123485 | alright. so, I've run update-grub and it correctly finds only the new vmlinuz images in /, however /boot still contains the bpo images (which I don't want to nuke just yet). |
| 13:25.31 | DammitJim | maybe not the right channel, but do you guys know of somewhat of a guide on how to organize a load balancer's Virtual IPs? |
| 13:25.38 | thunder123485 | but update-grub doesn't change the contents of /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 13:26.26 | thunder123485 | I guess my question is: how do I remove the old bpo entries from the grub menu? |
| 13:27.26 | SirLagz | thunder123485: running update-grub will put the entries in there. |
| 13:27.48 | SirLagz | thunder123485: so either remove the kernel and run update-grub, or manually edit grub.cfg |
| 13:28.11 | thunder123485 | ahh. yes. simply removing the symlinks wasn't enough, I had to move the images out of /boot |
| 13:28.13 | thunder123485 | ok. 's done. |
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| 13:32.38 | wr | need to install this card on the debian http://www.realtek.com.tw/products/productsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=21&PFid=60&Level=5&Conn=4&ProdID=380, cant seem to fit the driver... |
| 13:33.45 | thunder123485 | I have no idea how this is possible. I've deleted sym links, I've moved files into a separate directory, yet still when I reboot, I get uname -r 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 13:33.57 | thunder123485 | how could this be? |
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| 13:36.30 | BluesKaj | jessie backports https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 13:36.57 | babilen | thunder123485: What is the output of "update-grub2" ? |
| 13:38.01 | thunder123485 | well, "update-grub" the output was only two lines Generating grub configuration file ... Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-4-amd64 Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-4-amd64 done |
| 13:38.14 | thunder123485 | I just did upgrade-grub2 and same. |
| 13:38.28 | thunder123485 | contents of /boot/grub/grub.cfg confirmed this to be true as well |
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| 13:42.08 | thunder123485 | is there a way to determine where the currently executing kernel was pulled from disk? |
| 13:42.12 | babilen | thunder123485: -5- ? What does "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64" and "apt-cache policy linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64" give you? (â http://paste.debian.net ) |
| 13:42.28 | babilen | Is this a virtual machine? |
| 13:42.39 | thunder123485 | babilen: no, stand-alone machine |
| 13:42.43 | babilen | k |
| 13:42.47 | thunder123485 | no virtualization |
| 13:43.35 | thunder123485 | http://paste.debian.net/1007337/ |
| 13:44.12 | thunder123485 | http://paste.debian.net/1007338/ |
| 13:44.15 | babilen | That's outdated, it should be 4.9+80+deb9u3 |
| 13:44.31 | babilen | Are you sure that your mirror is properly maintained? |
| 13:44.42 | babilen | (assuming you ran "apt update" before those commands) |
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| 13:44.57 | babilen | Ah .. do you have security configured? |
| 13:45.02 | thunder123485 | I routinely run apt-get update, but I'll just double check |
| 13:45.02 | babilen | dpkg: stretch sources.list |
| 13:45.02 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 13:45.30 | thunder123485 | yeah, I'll use a non-local mirror. |
| 13:46.38 | babilen | Could you paste your sources.list? |
| 13:47.17 | thunder123485 | http://paste.debian.net/1007339/ |
| 13:47.28 | thunder123485 | man, I sure as hell hope I haven't been using some honeypot. |
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| 13:49.36 | thunder123485 | I've just updated to the canonical version as advertised on debian |
| 13:50.19 | DarkSpartan | tbh, I'd rather not use multiple mirrors, Just stating my opinion |
| 13:50.43 | babilen | Ah, you are missing security updates |
| 13:51.00 | babilen | I'd also switch httpredir.debian.org to deb.debian.org |
| 13:51.30 | babilen | make sure to add "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main contrib non-free" though |
| 13:51.44 | thunder123485 | done. |
| 13:51.53 | babilen | I take it that you now have -5- ? |
| 13:52.10 | thunder123485 | still updating |
| 13:52.16 | DarkSpartan | I once used multiple mirrors, Later found that to be unnecessary |
| 13:52.17 | BanHammor | can i run debootstrap entirely without root permissions? asking for a friend :) |
| 13:52.33 | thunder123485 | but yes, I see 4.9.0.5 |
| 13:52.43 | BanHammor | specifically, debootstrap to a foreign arch |
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| 13:53.56 | thunder123485 | thanks for spotting that babilen. I did run a spectre exploit test on this box and it failed miserably. it's hiding in a "closet of a network" so I was miffed but not too concerned. |
| 13:55.20 | thunder123485 | and yes, I see -5- |
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| 13:58.20 | thunder123485 | ok. I'm baffled. I've actually nuked the bpo files, and *still*, uname -r 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
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| 14:01.53 | Iridos | thunder123485, select the kernel you want from the grub menu at bootup |
| 14:03.19 | thunder123485 | the plot thickens: apt-get remove linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 causes a curses warning that I'm trying to remove the kernel I'm currently running. |
| 14:03.33 | Iridos | I cannot tunnel an ssh session from one debian8 machine to a debian8 machine. sshd_config seems to have correct config⦠the other more obscure reason for the error seems to be when localhost isn't resolved |
| 14:04.01 | loeken | <Iridos> tail -f /var/log/auth.log |
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| 14:04.05 | thunder123485 | Iridos: I don't have a head on the device and I'd like to get this fixed without having to do that |
| 14:04.21 | loeken | ups that was directed towards thunder123485 |
| 14:05.20 | thunder123485 | loeken: what are you wanting to see in auth? nothing looks suspicious |
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| 14:05.29 | Iridos | oh fuck⦠there was a typo in "localhost" in -L 5900:localhost:5900 |
| 14:05.31 | Iridos | meeeh |
| 14:06.08 | Iridos | one I haven't noticed for ages now |
| 14:06.59 | Iridos | bugger that |
| 14:07.32 | thunder123485 | alright. screw this. Time to put a head on this box. |
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| 14:08.39 | Iridos | installing a new kernel should put it on top of the boot priority list, iirc |
| 14:09.49 | Iridos | but sounds like it's not updating the grub regions at all |
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| 14:13.37 | thunder123485 | this is the most fascinating thing. The boot menu in grub has nothing to do with the grub config file I've been editing. |
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| 14:17.42 | thunder123485 | I feel like I'm probably boring you all by now. but if anyone's still interested: I have lvm on this machine and the boot drive isn't the currently mounted one. |
| 14:18.57 | thunder123485 | but that's not the answer either. I just mounted it and it's what I expect to see. |
| 14:21.20 | Iridos | run update-grub manually |
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| 14:21.42 | Iridos | hm, and man update-grub says |
| 14:21.45 | thunder123485 | It's the first thing I did after updating my kernel and I've done it 20 times. |
| 14:22.01 | Iridos | update-grub is a stub for running grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg to generate a grub2 config file. |
| 14:22.32 | Iridos | maybe it's writing the boot sector but you're booting from the mbr⦠|
| 14:22.45 | Iridos | or whatever it is one does in efi times |
| 14:22.48 | thunder123485 | I'm starting to think that's the issue. |
| 14:23.13 | thunder123485 | but I don't know how to check |
| 14:23.43 | thunder123485 | fdisk --list gives me /dev/sda1 as boot device. |
| 14:24.39 | thunder123485 | and mounting /dev/sda1 I find what I have under /boot so that jives. |
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| 14:24.59 | thunder123485 | but when I boot and look on the screen, I see a completely unrelated list (bpo only) |
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| 14:25.36 | thunder123485 | time for bios |
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| 14:48.25 | Brigo | Whiskey, which mysqltcl should tell you |
| 14:48.54 | Iridos | that was very misleading language-wise |
| 14:49.12 | Brigo | waydot, i think vim uses extension for recognising file type ... |
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| 14:49.27 | Brigo | Iridos, right. |
| 14:50.00 | Iridos | anyway, I think he's asking because it's not there |
| 14:50.02 | Brigo | Whiskey, the command 'which mysqltcl' should tell you. |
| 14:50.18 | Brigo | then why asking for the path? |
| 14:50.26 | Iridos | because he cannot find it |
| 14:50.45 | Iridos | apt-file search mysqltcl // apt-file show mysqltcl |
| 14:50.56 | Brigo | ,file mysqltcl |
| 14:51.00 | Iridos | there seems to be only a man-page on stretch⦠and a runtime library |
| 14:51.00 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 14:51.10 | Iridos | typo |
| 14:52.05 | Iridos | well, it's not a command, just an interface, that's why |
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| 14:52.38 | Iridos | it's a run-time library that lets you use certain tcl commands to interface with mysql |
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| 15:07.03 | DarkSpartan | Any help with this stuff? |
| 15:07.06 | nascentmind | Hi. Is http://deb.debian.org/debian not working? I get a 404 in my browser and I am not able to update my rootfs. |
| 15:07.06 | DarkSpartan | http://paste.debian.net/1007344/ |
| 15:08.12 | DarkSpartan | that's strange, it was working a few min ago.... |
| 15:08.35 | DarkSpartan | nah, it's back |
| 15:09.31 | DarkSpartan | nascentmind: It's back online |
| 15:10.03 | DarkSpartan | nascentmind: Nvm... |
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| 15:17.58 | DarkSpartan | I need help with missing firmware |
| 15:18.01 | DarkSpartan | http://paste.debian.net/1007344/ |
| 15:19.16 | nascentmind | DarkSpartan, It is still down. |
| 15:19.27 | DarkSpartan | ik |
| 15:19.39 | DarkSpartan | It keeps coming on and off |
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| 15:21.15 | NetTerminalGene | DarkSpartan, ignore it |
| 15:21.40 | DarkSpartan | okay....? |
| 15:21.47 | NetTerminalGene | i think it is ethernet firmware |
| 15:22.09 | DarkSpartan | oh ohk |
| 15:22.27 | NetTerminalGene | i also get this message but ethernet works |
| 15:23.13 | DarkSpartan | k |
| 15:23.57 | DarkSpartan | thanks for the info |
| 15:29.08 | BanHammor | Hi. After running debootstrap, attempts to boot into it end in "systemd[1]: Failed to mount tmpfs at /sys/fs/cgroup: No such file or directory" |
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| 15:30.01 | BanHammor | and then nothing else. am i supposed to write something into fstab to make /sys appear? |
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| 15:45.33 | Brigo | BanHammor, does /sys exist? |
| 15:45.49 | BanHammor | i don't yet know |
| 15:46.03 | BanHammor | kernel support for it is enabled |
| 15:47.22 | Brigo | BanHammor, i mean the directory. |
| 15:47.27 | Brigo | the mount point |
| 15:48.09 | BanHammor | the directory exists, i don't know how to check if it's mounted without an init |
| 15:48.20 | Brigo | BanHammor, ls -ls |
| 15:48.53 | Brigo | BanHammor, ls -ls / |
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| 15:51.20 | Brigo | BanHammor, i think systemd or init is the responsible of mounting virtual filesystem like those. |
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| 15:55.33 | BanHammor | i think my kernel might not have options required by systemd |
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| 15:57.33 | Brigo | BanHammor, your kernel? |
| 15:58.16 | BanHammor | i built it, no other way to boot on mips really |
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| 16:01.04 | rant | There is if you have one of the supported hardwares |
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| 16:02.44 | dob1 | hi, if I have this iptables rule: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s 192.168.0.1/24 --dport 443 -j REJECT on pc with 192.168.1.10, and then on a browser I point to https://192.168.1.10 why it takes time go in timeout if I am using reject?? |
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| 16:05.34 | BanHammor | next question: do i have to write my rootfs config to /etc/fstab to get my / mounted as rw by default? |
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| 16:06.41 | dob1 | it seems better if I don't use any iptables rule |
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| 16:07.47 | Brigo | BanHammor, most likely. |
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| 16:55.12 | s10gopal | battery drain when laptop is off(shutdown ) tried disable wol , dont happen when i install windows |
| 16:57.46 | codingquark | s10gopal: I have the same issue! But I don't know any solution. |
| 16:58.24 | s10gopal | codingquark: join #ubuntu and plz post it there |
| 16:58.47 | s10gopal | codingquark: many dev are online and they are trying to find it out |
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| 16:59.32 | s10gopal | codingquark: ? |
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| 16:59.45 | s10gopal | codingquark: ? |
| 16:59.46 | annadane | debian is not ubuntu |
| 16:59.57 | codingquark | Yeah, why in Ubuntu? |
| 17:00.07 | s10gopal | they will help us |
| 17:00.14 | codingquark | I just remove my battery everytime I shutdown. Which is not oftm |
| 17:00.16 | s10gopal | plz come |
| 17:00.20 | codingquark | *often. |
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| 17:00.26 | s10gopal | same |
| 17:00.44 | s10gopal | hp laptop ? |
| 17:00.56 | codingquark | And some guys here advised that the issue is very complex and may not be worthwhile |
| 17:01.01 | codingquark | HP, yeah. |
| 17:01.41 | s10gopal | no they can firure it out , they are thinking it acip relater issue and they are helping me to file a bug and they need more data |
| 17:01.47 | s10gopal | ay 008tx ? |
| 17:02.08 | s10gopal | acpi |
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| 17:03.07 | codingquark | Not that exact model. |
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| 17:03.20 | codingquark | Also, I left my laptop at office, so may not be useful. |
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| 17:03.28 | s10gopal | please come on #ubuntu please please |
| 17:03.48 | s10gopal | plz join and report your problem |
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| 17:13.58 | vergilzen | Wish me luck - just threw linux-image-rt-amd64 on my Laptop of Dubious Hardware (tm) |
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| 17:29.22 | kidnextdoor | hi |
| 17:29.38 | kidnextdoor | guys i would like to try the new stable release of debian |
| 17:29.51 | kidnextdoor | but im not sure what cd image to download, i want the offline one |
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| 17:32.11 | BanHammor | Try the "complete installation image" DVD |
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| 17:32.37 | kidnextdoor | whats the difference between the dvd with 4.4 gb and the cd with 650 mb? |
| 17:32.58 | BanHammor | more packages. |
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| 17:33.36 | kidnextdoor | what packages come in 650mb one? |
| 17:34.25 | doublehp | how do I downgrade libtasn1-6 and libc-bin to the version I was using yesterday ? |
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| 17:39.34 | BanHammor | kidnextdoor, https://cdimage-search.debian.org/ |
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| 17:41.38 | s10gopal | codingquark: ? |
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| 17:42.07 | annadane | s10gopal, telling someone repeatedly to join a channel isn't going to make them want to join it more |
| 17:42.11 | s10gopal | codebam: see this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1098697 |
| 17:42.29 | s10gopal | and comment on it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1745646 |
| 17:42.36 | annadane | i'm sure ubuntu will manage just fine on their own |
| 17:42.46 | s10gopal | annadane: i am not saying to join |
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| 17:50.14 | hexhaxtron | I'm offering free Debian SSH accounts to people. Any ideas on how can I promote these services? |
| 17:50.21 | rmk0 | hello. is anyone having trouble booting debian-9.3.0-arm64-xfce-CD-1.iso or debian-9.3.0-arm64-netinst.iso in virtualbox? i have verified the checksums and the signatures, but virtualbox always says "No bootable medium found". other iso files (freebsd, etc) boot correctly |
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| 17:54.06 | BanHammor | rmk0, arm64 should probably spook you off to what the difference between this image and other ones is |
| 17:54.18 | rmk0 | BanHammor: ARGH! |
| 17:54.35 | rmk0 | hehe, apologies. not sure how i managed to get the arm image and failed to spot it... |
| 17:54.41 | rmk0 | even better is that i managed to do it twice |
| 17:54.50 | annadane | you were probably strong-arm'd into it |
| 17:54.52 | annadane | hides |
| 17:54.55 | rmk0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.03 | BanHammor | im in my own qemu hell right now, no worries |
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| 18:17.59 | kidnextdoor | can someone tell me the differences between the 650mb image and the 4.4gb dvd? |
| 18:18.20 | apollo13 | roughly 3.8 gb :þ |
| 18:18.26 | kidnextdoor | lol |
| 18:18.42 | kidnextdoor | serisouly, do i need to connect to internet with the 650mb cd? |
| 18:19.08 | apollo13 | if you want to install something from the missing 3.8 gb yes |
| 18:19.16 | apollo13 | and even the 4.4gb dvd doesn't contain everything |
| 18:19.41 | kidnextdoor | do i have a desktop in the 650mb cd? |
| 18:20.01 | apollo13 | no idea, I always use the netinstall image |
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| 18:22.18 | wr | need to install chipset Ralink 2870 and Realtek RTL8187L, what would be the firmware? |
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| 18:24.52 | JonTargaryen | hello |
| 18:25.11 | JonTargaryen | my question is more eggdrop/tcl on debian related |
| 18:25.42 | NetTerminalGene | wr, why do you need to install it? |
| 18:25.43 | JonTargaryen | one tcl script asking to install json and tls |
| 18:26.10 | JonTargaryen | what do i need to do? |
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| 18:32.35 | wr | NetTerminalGene, need a dongle for wifi's |
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| 18:43.23 | rant | JonTargaryen: apt-get install tcllib tcl-tls |
| 18:43.36 | rant | json is part of tcllib the standard tcl library |
| 18:43.43 | coruja | JonTargaryen, try installing tcllib (for json module) and tcl-tls (for tls) |
| 18:43.51 | coruja | hehe |
| 18:44.25 | rant | well since we both answered the fish.. |
| 18:44.47 | rant | JonTargaryen: that was discovered by doing apt-cache search tcl json and apt-cache search tcl tls |
| 18:45.03 | rant | may as well teach a man to fish.. heh |
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| 18:46.16 | JonTargaryen | thanks alot rant and coruja |
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| 18:52.20 | somiaj | wr: please keep your questions and info in the channel, if you want to let me know something, you can hilight me by typing my nick in your sentance. |
| 18:52.38 | azahi | how to get a list of all explicitly installed packages? is there something like a Gentoo's world file? |
| 18:52.47 | annadane | apt-mark showmanual |
| 18:53.15 | somiaj | wr: If the driver is not in the main line kernel yet (sometimes they put staging drivers as well), not much that I know of you can do. You can get newer kernels (and firmware) from stretch-backports, but if the driver isn't even in the newer main line kernels, you may have to either compile the module yourself. |
| 18:53.51 | somiaj | azahi: note annadane will also list all the base system, sinec those are all installed as manually installed. But that list is about the best you'll get. |
| 18:54.05 | somiaj | annadane suggestion will also... |
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| 18:54.22 | azahi | I see. thanks |
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| 19:42.30 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day |
| 19:45.19 | alkisg | Truly, a wonderful moon out there |
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| 19:51.30 | rant | suspects its the same moon that's always been out there |
| 19:55.59 | phogg | rant: No way man. Didn't you know? We get a new moon every month! |
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| 20:35.52 | hassoon | ow haven't updated my debian i na while |
| 20:36.04 | hassoon | time to apt-get update/upgrade |
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| 20:38.41 | annadane | apt-get update is only to update the system to use the new sources list |
| 20:38.48 | annadane | if you haven't changed it you don't need to |
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| 20:40.50 | hassoon | update has nothing to do with downloading somehting from the interwebs ? |
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| 20:41.38 | towo` | hassoon, sure it loads the new contents from the repo |
| 20:42.25 | hassoon | towo`: well annadane told us that it just updates the system to use a new sources list |
| 20:42.46 | towo` | hassoon, because she doesn't know it |
| 20:43.01 | towo` | hassoon, simply she was wrong |
| 20:44.05 | hassoon | towo`: okey but then what's the difference between update and upgrade, knowing that upgrade upgrades the installed packages if there are new versions available in the repositories |
| 20:44.28 | towo` | update only fresh the list ov available versions |
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| 20:44.38 | towo` | and all that you can read in the manpage |
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| 20:50.43 | AlexPortable | How do I enter a folder in a tar file and then unzip from there? |
| 20:51.29 | AlexPortable | `tar -zxpvf archive.tar.gz -C backup/`, but then I get a folder in backups/ with the name archive.tar.gz, I just want all the files in the folder backups/ |
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| 20:57.38 | Uberius | reboot |
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| 21:02.13 | rant | AlexPortable: your explaination is a bit confusing are you saying that you want to extract only a specific directory from a tar? |
| 21:05.28 | rant | AlexPortable: because if this is what you're after you have the right command, you just want to avoid any leading ot trailing slashes in specifying what to extract |
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| 21:06.41 | badcoder | hello |
| 21:07.01 | badcoder | I have installed debian 9.3 on my laptop but the touchpad is not working |
| 21:07.04 | badcoder | what should I do? |
| 21:07.44 | abrotman | Do you have an external mouse to assist you in the interim ? |
| 21:08.02 | badcoder | I can use 0x1337 haxx0r tricks with the keyboard to move around |
| 21:08.05 | badcoder | like I am doing now |
| 21:08.07 | abrotman | badcoder: can you check dmesg ? |
| 21:08.11 | badcoder | sure |
| 21:08.15 | brw | hah |
| 21:08.24 | abrotman | Is psmouse a module now perhaps? how old is the laptop? |
| 21:11.07 | rant | some laptops also have a soft kill switch for touchpads.. helps to know what hardware we're talking about |
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| 21:16.20 | xbadc0de | I am the touchpad guy. |
| 21:16.51 | xbadc0de | obviously things didn't turn out okay for me because I couldn't get back to the irssi terminal tab, so I am now ssh'ed into the machine |
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| 21:19.48 | xbadc0de | https://0bin.net/paste/BUVKIW1gbf95qQFX#hJ-/qVphhHD/Qi4M2O7kWXO0QYBDg65CERqrzBTuSAC |
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| 21:20.27 | xbadc0de | I can move the cursor around but hitting the touchpad with the fingers won't trigger click |
| 21:20.46 | xbadc0de | like usually touchpad has two buttons on it |
| 21:21.06 | xbadc0de | but with windows hitting the touchpad with a slight bump would trigger left click |
| 21:21.18 | xbadc0de | and I actually need this feature because left mouse button no longer works |
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| 21:33.03 | rant | xbadc0de: if its working but you want to tweak features create a config in xorg.conf.d as described here https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad#Override_options_in_.2Fetc.2FX11.2Fxorg.conf.d.2Fsynaptics.conf |
| 21:34.48 | rant | I swear we used to have GUI utils for configuring specific features of a synaptics compatible touchpad.. they seem to be gone now |
| 21:34.55 | xbadc0de | you can actually use the system settings |
| 21:34.58 | xbadc0de | just found it |
| 21:35.08 | xbadc0de | input devices > stuff |
| 21:35.18 | xbadc0de | they are allways changing the system settings names wtf |
| 21:35.31 | rant | xbadc0de: thats on what, Gnome 3? |
| 21:35.38 | xbadc0de | kde |
| 21:36.11 | xbadc0de | also btw I have an intel i7 0x1337 version. Do I need to install any drivers manually? |
| 21:36.25 | xbadc0de | to take full advantage of my powerfull hardware? |
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| 21:38.57 | rant | according to the kernel you have Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4870HQ CPU @ 2.50GHz and a bad habbit of acting like a skript kiddie :P |
| 21:39.19 | rant | habit* |
| 21:39.28 | xbadc0de | why is that you arrogant little prick? |
| 21:40.19 | rant | I couldn't say.. and its not being arrogant it just makes it hard for anyone to help you when you call 4890HQ, 0x1337 instead |
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| 21:40.45 | rant | because anything we could gleen about your hardware to answer your question would come from its actual name/model |
| 21:41.00 | xbadc0de | because you had the dmesg output |
| 21:41.02 | xbadc0de | nvm |
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| 21:41.25 | xbadc0de | so I don't need to do anything regarding the cpu, that is correct? |
| 21:41.39 | rant | ah yes, well you did provide us with your aes encrypted dmesg.. t |
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| 21:42.46 | rant | not that I'm aware of, no. If you are however very interested in such things as maximizing your performance you could compile your own kernels.. though you'd want to do that often as you'd be missing out on security patches from the debian kernel team |
| 21:43.23 | rant | but since you seem to have an enthusiastic view of your hardware you may appreciate making a custom kernel specifically tuned to it |
| 21:44.13 | xbadc0de | I don't think it could get that much optimi<ed |
| 21:44.40 | xbadc0de | moving on - should I install any specific driver to for the gfx card |
| 21:44.52 | xbadc0de | I have a Nvidia Gforce GFX 980M |
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| 21:46.13 | rant | xbadc0de: presuming you want to take full advantage of it, you may want to install a driver yes.. most people i nhere would give you the debian standard use the open source driver spiel.. but as an nvidia fan myself, I prefer their drivers. we have them packaged for debian |
| 21:46.41 | xbadc0de | so I just download the drivers from their website? |
| 21:47.07 | rant | thats what I often do.. but as I said we have the nvidia proprietary drivers packaged in our non-free repos |
| 21:47.17 | rant | the upstream ones from nvidia will cause problems |
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| 21:47.33 | rant | they may break on upgrades of the kernel or xorg for example |
| 21:47.50 | xbadc0de | how do I install the proper one from the non-free repos? |
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| 21:49.18 | rant | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers should be up to date with the latest info on that |
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| 21:50.50 | rant | though its recommendation of the httpredir.debian.org is deprecated.. we use deb.debian.org now.. put afaik httpredir is still pointing in the right place. you can just use whatever sources you already have though as well and just make sure it says "contrib non-free" after main |
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| 21:54.33 | xbadc0de | So I guess I want to follow the instructions for Version 375.66 in Debian 9 |
| 21:54.37 | xbadc0de | is that correct? |
| 21:54.47 | xbadc0de | 1. Add "contrib" and "non-free" components to /etc/apt/sources.list, for example: |
| 21:54.50 | xbadc0de | ... |
| 21:54.59 | xbadc0de | 4 (The answer here may be needed to enable a higher resolution.) |
| 21:56.41 | rant | yes your hardware as you stated is 0x1337 aka new enough to use the nromal and not legacy driver and is listed as supported in http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/375.66/README/supportedchips.html |
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| 21:57.30 | xbadc0de | yeah its an asus ROG |
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| 21:58.00 | rant | xbadc0de: does it feel solid? ruggedly built? you happy with it? |
| 21:58.12 | xbadc0de | very happy |
| 21:58.24 | xbadc0de | I don't move my laptop around too much |
| 21:58.31 | rant | I can't stand cheaply made crap like many of the HP and Acer models |
| 21:58.57 | rant | Asus usually does it well |
| 21:59.13 | xbadc0de | but its a combination of power and mobility that allows you to play with your friends somewhere, or bring your laptop to the living room and work a bit |
| 21:59.47 | xbadc0de | its a bad idea if you use it as your dayly work laptop where you have to carry it with you everywhere |
| 22:00.04 | rant | yeah seems like a gamer model.. the images I see online show the colored keys where gamers typically place their fingers :P |
| 22:00.31 | rant | kinda bulky then? |
| 22:00.45 | xbadc0de | I don't play much nowadays, is more like personal projects in free time but |
| 22:00.50 | xbadc0de | its a beast with vms |
| 22:01.00 | xbadc0de | yeah its 4Kg |
| 22:01.17 | xbadc0de | it has 30GB of ram |
| 22:01.43 | rant | I dont like touchpads at all.. but it annoys me on those models with numpads that the touchpad is centered on the keyboard but offset slightly on the machine itself.. it feels a bit weird |
| 22:03.12 | rant | damn.. thats a lot of ram for a mobile |
| 22:03.48 | xbadc0de | true |
| 22:03.58 | rant | you must've maxed it out.. cause the ones I see at a glance show 12-16GB |
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| 22:04.19 | xbadc0de | nope my model is really high-end stuff |
| 22:04.27 | xbadc0de | already came like that |
| 22:04.38 | rant | what did it cost? |
| 22:04.48 | xbadc0de | 3.5K⬠|
| 22:05.41 | rant | yeah thats like 4 times the price I'm seeing for these basic models |
| 22:07.04 | xbadc0de | I still have windows on it , but I wanted to dual boot |
| 22:07.22 | xbadc0de | and btw I installed the nvidia driver and I simply get no screen output |
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| 22:08.22 | rant | though all the ones I see show a GTK 1050 or 1060 not a 980 |
| 22:08.29 | rant | GTX even |
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| 22:09.14 | xbadc0de | btw do you have any idea on what is going on? |
| 22:09.15 | rant | xbadc0de: what do you mean no screen output? its a blank screen on reboot? |
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| 22:09.35 | xbadc0de | more like black screen after reboot instead of the login screen of kde |
| 22:10.00 | xbadc0de | It boots but, thats about it |
| 22:10.12 | rant | sounds like it didnt blacklist the noveau or something of the sort |
| 22:10.14 | xbadc0de | I have an ssh shell into it |
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| 22:10.50 | xbadc0de | how the fuck do I blacklist the neuveu |
| 22:11.03 | xbadc0de | how the fuck do I blacklist the nouveau |
| 22:11.13 | xbadc0de | #French |
| 22:11.29 | rant | I thought it would do it for you.. can you get to the console Ctrl+Alt+F1 or is that screwed too? |
| 22:11.43 | xbadc0de | I have an ssh shell into it |
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| 22:11.55 | xbadc0de | should be all we need right? |
| 22:12.18 | rant | sure.. the wiki said restart to enable the blacklist which made me think the driver automatically adds the blacklist.. |
| 22:12.29 | rant | check lsmod and see what's loaded |
| 22:12.48 | rant | thats the most common issue I know of that causes these issues is the driver conflict of both being loaded |
| 22:13.13 | rant | if you don't see it loaded in lsmod, then I'd check the dmesg and xorg.log for some clues |
| 22:13.33 | xbadc0de | https://0bin.net/paste/U3QrOQCv5B8k8RB4#hwD2Zf7PEpqUpyFQ-4ziUfTraAsX4xy0k0Y0elwB5v1 |
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| 22:14.31 | xbadc0de | whats the name of the driver? |
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| 22:15.38 | rant | unless I'm blind I dont see any nvidia drivers in there.. no nv, noveau, or nvidia |
| 22:16.02 | xbadc0de | wtf |
| 22:16.25 | xbadc0de | I followed those 4 simple steps |
| 22:16.27 | rant | need to see what dmesg has to say about that... cause something isnt right |
| 22:16.49 | rant | yeah and they should've worked.. but for some reason they didnt |
| 22:17.34 | xbadc0de | https://0bin.net/paste/NCpzkr1gU68ceE9M#cIhD8ZEdcyo9I+LXqlfRGf8ecLxFcLCxRK-MNszZ/Qb |
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| 22:22.33 | rant | that's got me f'n baffled because your original dmesg shows noveau detecting the card and now dmesg doesnt show it at all and no mention of nvidia or noveau loading.. it only shows an nvidia hdmi/dp as an input |
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| 22:23.04 | rant | which is a high definition audio interface.. |
| 22:23.12 | rant | the video totally disappeared |
| 22:23.19 | rant | which explains the blank screen anyhow :P |
| 22:23.22 | xbadc0de | I installed it through sh |
| 22:23.26 | xbadc0de | I installed it through ssh |
| 22:23.35 | xbadc0de | that _SHOULD_ NOT have been a problem, right? |
| 22:23.36 | rant | doesn't explain how that happened |
| 22:23.42 | rant | xbadc0de: no it should not have |
| 22:24.12 | rant | xbadc0de: I haven't used any modern hardware so my knowledge is a little dated.. but typically the driver is just called "nvidia" try manually loading that with modprobe nvidia |
| 22:24.22 | rant | then see if there is any new output at the bottom of dmesg |
| 22:24.34 | rant | dmesg | tail |
| 22:25.30 | xbadc0de | badcoder@corsair:~$ sudo modprobe nvidia |
| 22:25.30 | xbadc0de | modprobe: FATAL: Module nvidia-current not found in directory /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64 |
| 22:25.33 | xbadc0de | modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:977 command_do() Error running install command for nvidia |
| 22:25.36 | xbadc0de | modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia': Operation not permitted |
| 22:26.02 | rant | checks the bts |
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| 22:27.42 | rant | xbadc0de: you did manager to install the headers and saw the building of the module with dkms and no errors when you followed the wiki right? |
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| 22:28.31 | xbadc0de | https://0bin.net/paste/KTQw1+sfxbWUoibb#zuIEzSVNSe6w-3LI5D3e1/8e9xTF2WpDXjgQbsMWLwI |
| 22:28.35 | xbadc0de | just did it again to be sure |
| 22:28.45 | xbadc0de | do I have wrong headers? |
| 22:29.50 | xbadc0de | ls /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64 |
| 22:29.53 | rant | shouldn't those packages you specified are just metapackages that depend on the specific versions of the nvidia driver and kernel headers |
| 22:29.54 | xbadc0de | ops |
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| 22:30.58 | xbadc0de | yeah |
| 22:31.02 | xbadc0de | so idk |
| 22:31.12 | rant | xbadc0de: you have 1 package not upgraded though it says.. what does apt-get upgrade show as the package not upgrade? |
| 22:31.33 | rant | if its your kernel then thats probably the problem :P |
| 22:32.43 | rant | that would explain how headers you just got dont match the kernel |
| 22:32.47 | xbadc0de | https://0bin.net/paste/ewiQSrRofynKnUn1#OZcASUcgmCmaUff2-GNY5Mz9AKY1zO8aXQjn+ZQn9Ne |
| 22:33.44 | xbadc0de | I have no f*cking clue why or if it didn't upgrade the kernel headers |
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| 22:33.52 | xbadc0de | should I do what then? dist-upgrade? |
| 22:33.53 | rant | did it upgrade when you did that or did it just give you that message and return to the prompt? |
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| 22:34.16 | xbadc0de | tbh I don't recall that |
| 22:34.21 | rant | because if it didnt upgrade then you want to explicitly tell it to install the package held back |
| 22:34.27 | rant | apt-get install linux-image-amd64 |
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| 22:35.12 | RoyK | anyone that knows some sort of OSS tiered storage? there was lessfs and lvmts, but neither seem to be developed anymore |
| 22:35.34 | rant | thats probably what happened here.. and still I dont see how/why it did.. but apparently your kernel was held back and the headers it installed were the current ones and were not compatible with the running kernel that wasnt the same version as the headers |
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| 22:36.07 | rant | your kernel never got upgraded after install |
| 22:36.12 | xbadc0de | going to reboot |
| 22:36.25 | rant | did you install the kernel update successfully? |
| 22:36.41 | rant | you shold've seen dkms building the nvidia driver if so |
| 22:36.42 | xbadc0de | workx |
| 22:36.59 | xbadc0de | I rebooted with the new kernel and it works |
| 22:37.03 | rant | hmm.. well glad its fixed.. but still puzzled as to how that happened |
| 22:37.18 | rant | you'd think installing nvidia-driver and the headers would've made it install the kernel update too |
| 22:37.34 | xbadc0de | no idea .. sometimes linux is just a big blob of bullshit |
| 22:37.40 | xbadc0de | that mostly does not work |
| 22:37.44 | rant | heh |
| 22:37.56 | rant | I feel that way about windows |
| 22:38.27 | rant | xbadc0de: did you see an nvidia logo when it booted? it always used to show the logo when X started.. not sure if it still does that |
| 22:38.54 | rant | your machine is probably so fast you may not have seen it anyhow :P |
| 22:39.11 | xbadc0de | https://0bin.net/paste/ZVmmHBVdW6xB44fW#omPJWGyieVkR2kp1hmBQ+1DXoTC7vMdL27UI8WQW2DI |
| 22:39.37 | xbadc0de | yeah its too fast to spot anything at startup tbh |
| 22:39.56 | rant | yeah.. thats what you should have.. now you got fully accellerated video |
| 22:40.07 | xbadc0de | YEAH |
| 22:40.12 | xbadc0de | I got a working debain |
| 22:40.14 | xbadc0de | debian |
| 22:40.15 | rant | can double check with things like xdpyinfo or glxgears or such |
| 22:40.49 | xbadc0de | yep |
| 22:40.49 | rant | but the fact that the modules are loaded and your desktop is working are a fairly reliable sign its working |
| 22:41.04 | xbadc0de | those 3.5K⬠were well invested for these fancy gears |
| 22:41.09 | rant | heh |
| 22:41.23 | rant | yeah that demo is kinda generic dor the money you paid |
| 22:41.47 | rant | you might want to install something fancier to test out your gfx performance |
| 22:42.02 | xbadc0de | what would you advice? |
| 22:42.40 | rant | idk I usually just test mine with something like a secondlife/opensim viewer which is really intensive.. but you can try tuxkart or any of our games I suppose |
| 22:43.02 | xbadc0de | kewl |
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| 22:43.24 | rant | the new tuxkart seems to have some real graphics overhaul |
| 22:43.37 | rant | I dont have any hardware worthy of that kinda stuff |
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| 22:45.40 | xbadc0de | btw I don't see grub asking me to boot into windows (windows is installed on another hard drive) |
| 22:45.49 | xbadc0de | so can I sudo update-grub? |
| 22:45.52 | rant | RoyK: I've heard that zfs is popular.. but idk much about that stuff |
| 22:46.18 | rant | xbadc0de: are you just missing the menu cause the hw is so fast or are you not seeing windows in the menu? |
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| 22:46.28 | rant | xbadc0de: sometimes it puts other oses in a submenu |
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| 22:47.18 | xbadc0de | I see Debian GNU/Linux |
| 22:47.29 | xbadc0de | and Advanced options for Debian GNU/Linux |
| 22:47.41 | xbadc0de | no mentioning of windows |
| 22:48.08 | rant | hmm.. lemme check this system.. I just installed on it recently and have Xp on the other partition |
| 22:48.21 | rant | reboots |
| 22:48.51 | xbadc0de | I have two separate hds |
| 22:48.55 | xbadc0de | one with debian |
| 22:49.02 | xbadc0de | and the other with two partitions |
| 22:49.09 | xbadc0de | each one with windows 10 installed |
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| 22:51.07 | rant | yeah mine just shows the windows right below the advanced options for linux |
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| 22:51.17 | xbadc0de | sec |
| 22:52.04 | xbadc0de | no luck here |
| 22:52.12 | rant | I have 3 menu entries on here.. the linux, advanced options for linux, and windows.. maybe grub failed to detect it.. I'd do as you said and perhaps just try running update-grub and see what output you get from that |
| 22:52.24 | xbadc0de | maybe I need to configure grub manually to boot into the other hard drive |
| 22:52.39 | xbadc0de | nada |
| 22:52.43 | rant | its supposed to auto-detect.. manually updating it should tell you something |
| 22:52.58 | xbadc0de | doesn't detect windows |
| 22:53.02 | rant | xbadc0de: can you see the windows partitions from in linux? |
| 22:53.35 | rant | furthermore which drive did you install grub on if you have two seperate drives? |
| 22:53.38 | coruja | os-prober installed and os-prober-script in /etc/grub.d/ executable? |
| 22:54.12 | xbadc0de | I can mount the two partitions from the second disk into linux |
| 22:54.26 | xbadc0de | and the grub bootloader is in the linux hard drive |
| 22:54.49 | rant | I had no idea os-prober was a seperate package |
| 22:55.00 | rant | that's a good catch.. make sure os-prober is installed |
| 22:55.31 | xbadc0de | I am not sure if I need to have some bootcode for window specifically or not |
| 22:55.35 | rant | apt-get install os-prober |
| 22:55.37 | xbadc0de | but I'll install that |
| 22:56.00 | rant | if that wasn't installed then thats why grub failed to detect it.. just run update-grub again after installing it |
| 22:56.16 | xbadc0de | already have that |
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| 22:56.56 | xbadc0de | I just wonder if I am missing some bootcode |
| 22:57.22 | xbadc0de | doesn't grub link to the windows boot code? |
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| 22:57.51 | rant | do you know if you are using UEFI for windows 10? |
| 22:58.05 | xbadc0de | nope, I disabled all that bs |
| 22:58.11 | xbadc0de | in bios as well |
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| 22:58.29 | rant | our two related wiki entries are https://wiki.debian.org/WindowsDualBoot and https://wiki.debian.org/DualBoot/Windows10 |
| 22:59.33 | rant | neithe rof which seem directly applicable to this situation though |
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| 23:00.22 | rant | the latter though shows how to manually create a grub entry for it |
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| 23:03.01 | xbadc0de | hmm gona try that |
| 23:03.12 | xbadc0de | but if you know this just tell me |
| 23:03.41 | xbadc0de | before booting the os, there is a neet for a bootloader I guess that for linux is usually grub |
| 23:04.22 | rant | yes, windows uses NTLDR which most people dont realize because its disabled by default, but it has a menu as well |
| 23:04.35 | xbadc0de | for windows I don't know what it is but its some portion of code that then loads ntldr.exe which will then prepare the way for spawning ntoskrnl.exe and load all the associated kernel mode modules |
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| 23:04.56 | rant | NTLDR is the bootloader.. |
| 23:05.14 | xbadc0de | but isn't there any boot code before the ntldr? |
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| 23:05.39 | rant | well just as grub has binaries on the fs and code it installs to the MBR, ntldr is much the same |
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| 23:06.38 | xbadc0de | since the windows hard disk has two partitions |
| 23:06.45 | xbadc0de | then I guess there is only one mbr |
| 23:08.14 | Rud3 | I have a questione about snort, if anyone knows that. Do I need to install it in a computer before the LAN, or it is enough to install it in one computer in the lan in order to scan the traffic the whole traffic in a LAN? |
| 23:09.56 | rant | a packet sniffer / analyzer can see the whole network.. the general nature of a star topology like ethernet is that all traffic goes to all machines and they just ignore that which isnt addressed to them |
| 23:10.27 | rant | the only way you wouldnt see it all is if you had a gateway/prox/firewall of some kind that was isolating each node |
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| 23:11.08 | rant | this is more and more common on resitdential gateways and routers which have wifi. .they'll isiolate wifi clients (optionally) |
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| 23:11.51 | rant | as a means to secure other users on the network from privacy concerns by wifi users or hackers |
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| 23:16.02 | RoyK | rant: it's another ballpark, that's all |
| 23:16.27 | xbadc0de | badcoder@corsair:~$ sudo apt install blkid |
| 23:16.27 | xbadc0de | Reading package lists... Done |
| 23:16.28 | xbadc0de | Building dependency tree |
| 23:16.28 | xbadc0de | Reading state information... Done |
| 23:16.28 | xbadc0de | E: Unable to locate package blkid |
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| 23:16.52 | xbadc0de | flooded |
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| 23:17.32 | mischmerz | xbadc0de, Bad lad ;) |
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| 23:18.08 | coruja | xbadc0de, util-linux |
| 23:19.05 | xbadc0de | gracias fofinho |
| 23:19.45 | rant | heh |
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| 23:27.50 | jimbzy | Sup rant? |
| 23:27.57 | jimbzy | Woops, wrong channel. |
| 23:30.24 | xbadc0de | it seems to chainload windows |
| 23:30.41 | xbadc0de | but the ntldr complains about something |
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