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| 01:35.16 | jaami | my desktop crashed and was recovered with aptitude because it was not booting to my desktop. now after recovery i see some classic gnome desktop where applications are accessible with popup menu. there is no easy way to switch applications. how do i recover the default gnome? |
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| 01:50.59 | sonnie | hi there. after upgrade, my teamviewer won't open GUI. Some says libfreetype6 should be downgraded to 2.8-0.2, how? my box is running buster/sid |
| 01:51.16 | annadane | ,v libfreetype6 |
| 01:51.17 | judd | Package: libfreetype6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.4.9-1.1+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 2.4.9-1.1+deb7u7; jessie: 2.5.2-3+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.5.2-3+deb8u2; stretch: 2.6.3-3.2; buster: 2.8.1-0.1; sid: 2.8.1-0.1 |
| 01:51.46 | annadane | sonnie, i'd ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 02:07.31 | gbs-ufam | Hi, i've made an submission for debian mirror and didn't get any answer. I've done something wrong? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=882106 |
| 02:07.32 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/882106 in mirrors (open): «mirror submission for mirror.ufam.edu.br»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2017-11-19; last modified: 2017-11-19. |
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| 02:16.01 | annadane | gbs-ufam, not getting an answer for ~a week doesn't mean you did anything wrong |
| 02:16.42 | annadane | gbs-ufam, but if you like you can probably ask on #debian-www on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:16.51 | gbs-ufam | annadane thanks |
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| 02:23.45 | abrotman | gbs-ufam: there is a #debian-mirrors on OFTC |
| 02:23.58 | gbs-ufam | abrotman, thanks |
| 02:24.28 | annadane | oh, sorry |
| 02:25.15 | gbs-ufam | i've seen ppl reporting after me and got answered |
| 02:25.16 | annadane | yeah i guess www is more website-y stuff |
| 02:25.31 | gbs-ufam | that's why i think that i've made something wrong |
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| 02:31.55 | dvs | ugly kid joe? |
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| 03:26.09 | RoyK | ,v celestia |
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| 03:31.52 | knocktwice | due to nvidia driver fuckups, my system becomes unusable if nvidia+xfce goes into 'suspend' (this is a desktop) |
| 03:32.27 | knocktwice | I don't want to suspend, just lock the screen (with password) with a screensaver or something |
| 03:33.19 | knocktwice | I know I need to ditch nvidia, but won't for now. |
| 03:33.44 | knocktwice | Should I choose a different window manager? or figure out how to get xfce to screensaver + lock? |
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| 03:46.25 | nocrato | hi |
| 03:47.21 | nocrato | need help to mount a shared directory using vmware tools |
| 03:47.22 | knocktwice | hello |
| 03:47.49 | knocktwice | I haven't used VMware in years, probably couldn't help... maybe someone can? |
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| 03:50.57 | RoyK | knocktwice: vmware? is that really related to debian? |
| 03:51.47 | nocrato | I have debian running on VMware |
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| 03:57.34 | ivan | nocrato: install open-vm-tools in the guest and use something like vmhgfs-fuse -o auto_unmount -o direct_io -o big_writes .host:/shared /mnt/shared |
| 03:57.46 | ivan | note that vmhgfs has a bug that will only let you mount a few folders |
| 03:58.09 | ivan | .host is not a hostname, literally that string |
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| 03:59.39 | ivan | and if you installed vmware's official guest tools you probably want to uninstall those |
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| 04:00.19 | ivan | also this is more of a #vmware thing |
| 04:01.20 | ivan | hmm, I guess open-vm-tools is actually Free :-) |
| 04:02.09 | ivan | knocktwice: what is unusable exactly? |
| 04:02.32 | ivan | what is suspend? display sleep? |
| 04:04.21 | annadane | suspend is suspend to RAM |
| 04:04.29 | annadane | the entire session |
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| 04:24.19 | gentoo | Hello ;) |
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| 04:25.39 | Nicolas | Are there people available to help me with a problem? |
| 04:25.49 | knocktwice | describe problem? |
| 04:26.03 | Nicolas | ok 2min use google translate :D |
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| 04:26.51 | knocktwice | you might want to paste both the original and the google translation. |
| 04:28.03 | Nicolas | I installed my debian without kernel, so I would like to install version 4.14.2 But when I enter chroot in apt-get does not work so I can not install the dev-build to compile my kernel |
| 04:28.27 | knocktwice | oops, beyond me. |
| 04:29.03 | Nicolas | do not worry it's okay my friend :) |
| 04:29.08 | knocktwice | my first guess is paths |
| 04:29.38 | annadane | Nicolas, what about chroot "does not work"? you'll need to be a bit more specific |
| 04:30.25 | knocktwice | Nicolas: maybe show steps? |
| 04:30.54 | Nicolas | I am in the liveCD of gentoo to chroot, When I try to install apt install build-essential fakeroot dpkg-dev libssl-dev bc gnupg dirmngr libncurses5-dev |
| 04:30.56 | Nicolas | Said to me Command not found so I can not install anything |
| 04:31.10 | RoyK | - I installed my debian without kernel |
| 04:31.24 | RoyK | how can you install Linux without a kernel? ;) |
| 04:31.29 | annadane | also that |
| 04:31.43 | annadane | i just assumed Nicolas was a mighty dark wizard and not to ask questions |
| 04:31.51 | knocktwice | (no kernel) still running on live CD? |
| 04:32.09 | RoyK | it has a kernel - liunx *is* the kernel |
| 04:32.32 | knocktwice | yes, but running on live CD's kernel, still trying to install, not finished yet. |
| 04:33.14 | Nicolas | I am on the gentoo liveCD, I installed Debian Unstable on my SSD without kernel to be able to install the last kernel 4.14.2 from Kernel.org |
| 04:33.41 | Nicolas | Exactly knockt :) |
| 04:34.02 | knocktwice | Nicolas: I have found it better to install the default kernel, boot into the system, then try to build the kernel you want. |
| 04:35.03 | Nicolas | Is it better, according to you? It does not conflict with the kernel that will be installed by default? |
| 04:35.38 | _rahul_chaudhary | How about install Debian with the default provided kernel and then upgrade kernel ? |
| 04:36.18 | _rahul_chaudhary | ok kocktwice already mentioned that ... :-) |
| 04:36.54 | Nicolas | Okay I'll do it thanks;) Do you have a tutorial? I would like to install the kernel pf if you know |
| 04:37.10 | knocktwice | default kernel + filesystem will work. New kernel + default filesystem will work. |
| 04:38.20 | knocktwice | well, new kernel is always a problem, but... no problem with default filesystem. |
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| 04:39.25 | Nicolas | There's less latency compared to the default kernel and it's optimized for my 5820k an advantage for me |
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| 04:40.40 | knocktwice | what "latency" is this? |
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| 04:43.49 | Nicolas | In some application it's smoother it's light but it feels |
| 04:44.15 | Nicolas | http://pfactum.github.io/pf-kernel/ |
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| 04:58.48 | jusss | is there a program like pastebin on repo? I'd like run one on my vps for paste |
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| 05:02.37 | knocktwice | jusss: I would too, but I don't want it to be all javascript. |
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| 05:24.32 | likcoras | welp. |
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| 06:48.14 | viktor01330 | i'm installing debian 9 stretch with USB with netinstall, installations fails because no cd-rom drive can be detected (computer doesn't have one). any advice? |
| 06:48.48 | kirk781 | Why is Debian searching for cd-rom when the installation is starting with USB? |
| 06:49.12 | viktor01330 | kirk781: don't know. good question |
| 06:49.29 | annadane | odd. i'd say corrupt image but that shouldn't be it |
| 06:50.30 | viktor01330 | annadane: i qdmit i didn't hash it, but i installed a perfectly working deb9 on a different computer (that has cd-rom) with the same USB |
| 06:50.59 | viktor01330 | annadane: this one, actually |
| 06:51.28 | annadane | well, it's pretty late; if no one answers your question try debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 06:51.43 | kirk781 | try restarting the installation |
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| 06:52.14 | viktor01330 | kirk781: tried that |
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| 06:55.23 | dwago | viktor01330: How far did you get before installer asked for cdrom? Did you use "dd" to write usb media? |
| 06:56.35 | viktor01330 | dwago: just input language, keyboard, locale, then it starts looking for the cd-rom drive. I used the "disks" utility in ubuntu to write the flashdrive |
| 06:57.15 | viktor01330 | dwago: i prefer to avoid dd if possible, it's out of my skill range (which doesn't range very far) |
| 06:57.28 | knocktwice | dd is fun |
| 06:57.43 | dwago | viktor01330: You never connected to network? |
| 06:57.44 | n4dir | pretty sure these days you can simply use cp (i think it is even recommended |
| 06:58.04 | annadane | aaaand here we go again |
| 06:58.13 | viktor01330 | dwago: didn't reach the step of connecting to wifi |
| 06:58.14 | n4dir | dd if=netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb; nothing too hard (as long you got the dev right ... urgh) |
| 06:58.22 | knocktwice | cp -a? |
| 06:58.47 | n4dir | knocktwice: gotta admit, no clue, i think it's in the debian wiki (i stick to what i know ... lame) |
| 06:59.08 | viktor01330 | n4dir: i installed on this computer with same flashdrive. i doubt it's the writing of the drive thats the issue |
| 06:59.21 | knocktwice | if=<path> I would recommend that not being a relative path... |
| 06:59.36 | n4dir | yeah, i read that above, and wanted to just say that ... well: what you said. |
| 07:00.00 | viktor01330 | n4dir: okay :) |
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| 07:00.14 | n4dir | but most folks who report the problem seem to have done the "copy" wrong. From what i read |
| 07:00.19 | knocktwice | if you are touching something as dangerous as dd, always use full paths. |
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| 07:00.42 | n4dir | i guess you are right knocktwice, but i do autocomplete (lets hope that is safe) |
| 07:00.52 | cr1t1cal | is it possible to install debian without systemd? |
| 07:00.58 | viktor01330 | trying the non-graphic installer, now it suddenly needs proprietary wifi drivers |
| 07:01.29 | n4dir | cr1t1cal: yes. i think i just found the info on wiki.debian.org |
| 07:01.31 | knocktwice | cr1t1cal: Hm... I'll prolly get kicked, but... devuan? |
| 07:01.37 | knocktwice | don't recommend it tho. |
| 07:01.49 | knocktwice | they don't quite seem to have their stuff together yet. |
| 07:02.07 | dwago | viktor01330: cant recall? isnt network setup one of the first things? Sound like you have no net and its looking for other media? Could be wrong. |
| 07:02.20 | knocktwice | they're doing a damn fine job of working on it. |
| 07:02.34 | viktor01330 | if i don't install the proprietary firmware at installation i can still fix it afterwards, right? |
| 07:02.46 | annadane | cr1t1cal, i don't know about installing without it but you can get rid of it after the fact... but i suspect, if you have to ask that question, that what you really want is something else, or you just want systemd gone because you've heard it's bad |
| 07:02.50 | cr1t1cal | knocktwice: i queried you |
| 07:02.57 | annadane | so *why* do you want to do without it |
| 07:03.01 | cr1t1cal | annadane: i heard its bad |
| 07:03.07 | n4dir | if you got the netinst.iso and you need the firmware for network connection, then it will get a bit messy |
| 07:03.08 | annadane | yeah, so just use systemd |
| 07:03.13 | annadane | it's really not |
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| 07:03.21 | annadane | there are two sides to a flame war |
| 07:03.41 | viktor01330 | dwago: so, it bypasses the wifi setup without asking me because it can't recognize/work my wifi card? |
| 07:03.52 | cr1t1cal | annadane: but systemd does so much shit all at once I hate it |
| 07:03.55 | n4dir | you sure can install (for example) sysv, set /etc/default/grub, check if that makes you happy |
| 07:03.56 | dwago | viktor01330: Its is a net install afterall. |
| 07:04.08 | annadane | shrugs |
| 07:04.12 | dwago | viktor01330: Maybe |
| 07:04.20 | cr1t1cal | annadane: what's something GOOD about systemd? |
| 07:04.25 | cr1t1cal | other than simplicity? |
| 07:04.26 | n4dir | shrugs too and hugs annadane |
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| 07:04.46 | viktor01330 | dwago: if the issue is that the installer can't use the wifi, shouldn't there at least be a notice of that? |
| 07:04.55 | knocktwice | I can say something good about systemd, though I don't prefer it. |
| 07:05.04 | cr1t1cal | knocktwice: shoot |
| 07:05.04 | annadane | http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html |
| 07:05.12 | annadane | not my article, i can't vouch for it, but there you go |
| 07:05.24 | n4dir | annadane: you recall i had problems to run "startx" after removing systemd? |
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| 07:05.29 | annadane | there are some people who despise it and some who love it |
| 07:05.33 | annadane | i do recall that |
| 07:05.42 | knocktwice | I kinda like their system of "distro setup", "admin setup", "current setup". |
| 07:05.50 | RoyK | fighting systemd is like swimming upstream |
| 07:05.58 | RoyK | in waterfall |
| 07:06.05 | annadane | point being. if you just hate systemd for the sake of hating it then just use the damn thing as it's pretty entrenched at this point and lots of things rely on it |
| 07:06.16 | knocktwice | a.k.a. /lib/systemd/system, /etc/systemd/system, /var/run/systemd/system |
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| 07:06.17 | dwago | viktor01330: Can you use nic? That might work. |
| 07:06.18 | viktor01330 | dwago: seems that's indeed the issue. can't recognize the wifi hardware |
| 07:06.19 | Guest87203 | i'm on debian now.. :/ but gnome is not so light as i remember.. XD |
| 07:06.20 | n4dir | i was given the solution, edit /etc/X11/Wrapper.conf, needs_root_rights=yes |
| 07:06.22 | annadane | (you *can* run debian without systemd, however) |
| 07:06.28 | n4dir | annadane: nice and easy, but hard to find |
| 07:06.41 | RoyK | once made his own little 32MB linux "distro" for remote booting things, no systemd there |
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| 07:07.53 | annadane | i'll just mention in passing without fanning the flames of a flame war (no pun intended) which has gone on for... ever, that a number of the people who dislike it dislike it because it's poettering |
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| 07:08.02 | knocktwice | I'm kind of annoyed how systemd wants to do the log files, but at the same time, it's also kind of useful. Actually, that about sums up all my interactions with systemd: kind of annoying, kind of useful. |
| 07:08.05 | annadane | so make up your own damn mind |
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| 07:08.12 | viktor01330 | what's the best way to determine in advance what proprietary firmware you need, and how do you install(?) that on installation? |
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| 07:08.25 | RoyK | devuan? |
| 07:08.33 | n4dir | i mainly disklike sysemd cause i am too old to learn anything new. muah-ha-ha |
| 07:08.54 | viktor01330 | knocktwice: does it really matter? (not retorical) |
| 07:08.58 | cr1t1cal | is it possible to use OpenRC on debian? haha |
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| 07:09.29 | n4dir | cr1t1cal: pretty sure it is possible |
| 07:09.37 | knocktwice | If I am building an embedded system, I want the kernel, not the distro. If all the available software is bent towards a single "pid eins", then it is a problem. |
| 07:10.08 | annadane | full disclosure: i don't support or not-support systemd |
| 07:10.17 | annadane | just trying to frame the way people ought to look at things they know nothing about |
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| 07:11.30 | dwago | viktor01330: lspci? |
| 07:11.41 | knocktwice | systemd is not corrupting Linux. Systemd is corrupting all the distrobutions that use Linux. |
| 07:12.00 | n4dir | some still stand strong. |
| 07:12.06 | knocktwice | ^ |
| 07:12.09 | annadane | worth mentioning that this is a debian support channel, not a place to hash out systemd flame wars |
| 07:12.18 | annadane | (but apparently a place to hash out cp vs dd flame wars...) |
| 07:12.20 | knocktwice | sorry, yes |
| 07:12.25 | knocktwice | ttfn |
| 07:12.25 | RoyK | knocktwice: well, what I built back then, was an embedded thing, a video server, booting off ethernet and just having local drives, raid-0, because it's fast, and because the redundancy was in the number of servers |
| 07:12.26 | n4dir | damnit. just when the fun started. :-) |
| 07:12.49 | annadane | sorry. i'm a miserable, crotchety old person with no sense of good entertainment |
| 07:13.12 | RoyK | *big* drives, four of them per server, that is, the drives were 120GB each, but back then we didn't have bigger drives :) |
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| 07:13.50 | n4dir | annadane: i guess everything regarding systemd has been said. Really no point in repeating that forever. |
| 07:13.59 | n4dir | not today, in general. |
| 07:14.54 | n4dir | btw: debian Gnu/kFreeBSD comes without it (you will have to be able to live with old-stable though) |
| 07:15.34 | viktor01330 | dwago: ok, i got my exact wireless driver. i apologize if i'm pulling teeth here, but, now where do i go to get the files/drivers i need? vendor website? |
| 07:15.42 | RoyK | what's the big deal with freebsd anyway? |
| 07:16.05 | RoyK | I know some people fancy it - just never understood why |
| 07:16.46 | n4dir | if you run debian kFreeBSD it feels just as if you would be running debian Linux. A couple of minor things, sure. |
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| 07:17.29 | RoyK | sure, but why not linux? |
| 07:17.41 | n4dir | viktor01330: there are firmware images. I don't know the dpkg factoid though |
| 07:17.46 | n4dir | !firmware |
| 07:17.46 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 07:17.56 | n4dir | !installer firmware |
| 07:17.56 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 07:17.57 | annadane | isn't that really a bsd vs linux question in general |
| 07:18.19 | RoyK | possibly - just asking |
| 07:18.29 | annadane | afaik the main reason people run bsd beyond personal preference and individual tools is because it's more integrated as a whole whereas linux tends to be hacked togther from bits and pieces |
| 07:18.47 | n4dir | also very KISS and such. |
| 07:19.03 | annadane | i'm sure on some level there's overlap |
| 07:19.14 | RoyK | I've worked with a lot of unices and I find linux pretty decent |
| 07:19.15 | viktor01330 | n4dir: thnks |
| 07:19.16 | n4dir | yeah, i would say so too |
| 07:19.21 | annadane | the argument for linux tends to be "better hardware support" |
| 07:19.39 | n4dir | the opposite would be solaris (based) i guess ... |
| 07:19.50 | annadane | especially debian! *gets out cheerleader pom poms* |
| 07:20.15 | n4dir | and lots of other comfort, like update-alternatives and what not |
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| 07:20.42 | annadane | https://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/01 |
| 07:20.47 | n4dir | pretty sane defaults (say for most wm's you get a working menu ...) |
| 07:21.12 | RoyK | reminds me of https://xkcd.com/378/ |
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| 07:21.21 | n4dir | the writup by the ex-project leader "who the hell cares about debian" is a good one, imho |
| 07:21.26 | annadane | "REAL programmers use dd..." |
| 07:21.41 | viktor01330 | !search |
| 07:21.41 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>. |
| 07:22.18 | awwal | well, for start, you can try simulating. try this ---> aptitude -s purge `dpkg --get-selections | grep gnome | cut -f 1` |
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| 07:22.50 | RoyK | awwal: why not awk? |
| 07:22.51 | awwal | oups, sorry, confusing windows |
| 07:23.09 | annadane | in any event i certainly don't know how netbsd differs from freebsd differs from openbsd etc |
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| 07:23.16 | annadane | also, this is off topic now |
| 07:23.16 | RoyK | (because it's awkward?) |
| 07:23.29 | awwal | RoyK, yeah :P |
| 07:23.30 | awwal | :D |
| 07:23.38 | n4dir | annadane: from what i was told they differ quite a lot though |
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| 07:25.21 | n4dir | awwal: not sure if i understand correct, but a simple "apt-get remove purge -s *gnome*" wouldn't do? |
| 07:25.24 | awwal | annadane, well, they have different names:P |
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| 07:26.14 | awwal | n4dir, it may yeah. many ways/optics :P |
| 07:26.29 | awwal | i was just suggesting a command for a friend in pm |
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| 07:27.09 | n4dir | i tend to use commands i can easily remember. But sure: many ways. |
| 07:27.51 | RoyK | distrusts people that dislike perl |
| 07:28.28 | RoyK | (just as to start a new holy war) |
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| 07:28.48 | n4dir | let's go straight for the editor war, and then be done with it :-) |
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| 07:29.14 | RoyK | n4dir: as I posted above https://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 07:30.05 | n4dir | lol, missed it. |
| 07:30.11 | kirk781 | RoyK: that has to be one of the most referenced xkcd's |
| 07:30.11 | RoyK | or perhaps https://xkcd.com/1823/ |
| 07:30.36 | n4dir | i got a screen split window. Is it possible to create a new window outside of the split? |
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| 07:30.57 | annadane | i believe this is the 5th time someone asks a copying question, #debian has a debate between cp and dd and other methods, and the original question gets half answered or not answered at all |
| 07:30.57 | RoyK | screen? not tmux? |
| 07:31.15 | n4dir | not sure if that doesnt make sense. I can't put it any better |
| 07:31.55 | n4dir | annadane: i am quite sure that the gurus recommended cp over dd (when it comes to isos) |
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| 07:32.03 | RoyK | kirk781: quite possibly - along with https://xkcd.com/936/ |
| 07:32.34 | awwal | n4dir, well, the goal is not to remember commands, but understand the tools and their options ; then one can do what he wants depending on the purposes :) bcoz : remember commands = I don't really understood what the options/arguments does exactly |
| 07:32.48 | awwal | well, that said; I also remember commands sometimes :D |
| 07:32.57 | kirk781 | RoyK: I think https://xkcd.com/1827/ will surpass them all |
| 07:33.06 | n4dir | awwal: sure. |
| 07:34.09 | n4dir | alternative history settings in /etc/inputrc are a bless (sidenote) |
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| 07:35.37 | n4dir | thats one of the sane defaults of debian i spoke of above. Just uncomment it, and be happy. |
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| 07:58.42 | gxen | how can I find out what script is write to a specific file? I can trigger the opening, writing to, and closing of the file.. but this process happens within a few millieseconds, hence the simple use of command 'lsof' is unpractical |
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| 07:59.24 | nkuttler | make it non-readable and watch for an error? |
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| 07:59.44 | nkuttler | or maybe inotify can do that |
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| 08:00.17 | jelly-home | gxen: enable process accounting, log processes created and finished durng the time period, take a guess |
| 08:00.32 | jelly-home | gxen: use atop or tools from acct package |
| 08:01.16 | gxen | inotify can't identify the process that edited the file |
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| 08:30.59 | eleanor | Hello. I am new to Debian, but have been an Ubuntu user since 2008. I have just installed my first Debian system and find things are not as I expected: The graphical version of "Software & Updates" does not allow me to change repositories at all and there are no authentication keys. Also the repository has defaulted to http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian rather than anything with secure access. Synaptic won't start from the menu at all. I |
| 08:31.02 | eleanor | s this expected? Would it be best to redownload the installer and start again? |
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| 08:35.55 | jelly-home | you seem to be getting some answers on OFTC |
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| 09:03.57 | booyah | how to re-create /boot files? it's in /dev/sda5 |
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| 09:06.23 | Voldenet | booyah: I think reinstall grub (grub-install), reinstall kernel (apt-get install --reinstall), update-grub |
| 09:06.31 | Voldenet | maybe I've skipped something in the process |
| 09:08.05 | Voldenet | You should basically have /boot/vmlinuz-... /boot/initrd.img-... and /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 09:15.54 | booyah | Voldenet: if it's GPT+mbr setup, the one with an fat partition for rest of grub bootloader stage2, then soemthing changes? |
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| 09:20.13 | Voldenet | hm... I think not much, but don't quote me on that, better check the wiki (there might be some page about reinstalling grub) |
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| 09:22.50 | Voldenet | The difference might be the package name (like I'm using GPT+EFI atm, so I use grub-efi, but you might need grub-legacy) |
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| 09:24.17 | Voldenet | actually, nevermind, you might be better of reading to wikis instead of listening to me :D |
| 09:24.36 | Voldenet | s/of/off/ s/to// |
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| 09:26.50 | booyah | cat find too good info about what should be the state of that 1 mb fat partition |
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| 09:27.16 | booyah | can't |
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| 09:33.28 | Voldenet | booyah: wasn't the bios boot partition just some random partition with a few sectors of grub on it? |
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| 09:35.37 | booyah | Voldenet: i think so |
| 09:36.18 | Voldenet | s/sectors/bytes/ |
| 09:36.52 | Voldenet | if you can spare some time testing, then just try installing grub like you normally would |
| 09:37.00 | Voldenet | and see if it works ;) |
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| 09:46.42 | tangarora_ | sooo... it seems like iptables ignores what I tell it to do: it is supposed to route traffic through a tun0 but when the tun0 is gone it routs straigt out to the internet via the only eth: ens3... i dont get it. |
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| 09:47.07 | tangarora_ | -A FORWARD -s 192.168.1.0/24 -i ens3 -o tun0 -m conntrack --ctstate NEW -j ACCEPT |
| 09:47.24 | tangarora_ | -A FORWARD -m conntrack --ctstate RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
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| 09:47.31 | tangarora_ | did i do wrong? |
| 09:48.00 | tangarora_ | How do i stop the pc from rjouting traffic when the int: tun0 is down? |
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| 09:49.06 | Al_lA | uhm if i remember iptables |
| 09:49.14 | Al_lA | can you send it to a new stack |
| 09:49.27 | Al_lA | and which has the tun0 rule above a >>NULL rule |
| 09:49.34 | Al_lA | ? |
| 09:49.45 | tangarora_ | wadda wadda? |
| 09:49.49 | Al_lA | uh |
| 09:49.56 | Al_lA | nah nvm i'm trying to remember iptables from years ago |
| 09:50.09 | tangarora_ | so make another rule that routes all traffic to null? |
| 09:51.20 | Al_lA | yeh |
| 09:51.28 | Al_lA | or to 'drop' |
| 09:51.33 | Al_lA | i think is how it goes |
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| 09:51.55 | tangarora_ | hmmm... OK wonder how to do that... |
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| 09:52.09 | Voldenet | tangarora_: so... you're trying to disable the internet unless the VPN is up, right? |
| 09:52.11 | tangarora_ | I have to google a bit I guess... not an expert... |
| 09:52.34 | tangarora_ | Voldenet: thats right! |
| 09:52.48 | tangarora_ | That is what I want to do. |
| 09:53.19 | Voldenet | set default chain policies for input and output to drop then, then accept just traffic for/from vpn |
| 09:53.21 | tangarora_ | I can get it to route fine when tun0 is upp... traffic goes through it fine... |
| 09:53.42 | Voldenet | i'd write the exact commands for that, but let me google, I'm sure somebody's done that |
| 09:53.57 | Voldenet | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/259414/block-all-internet-connections-unless-connected-to-openvpn-server |
| 09:54.02 | Voldenet | basically this is what I'd do |
| 09:54.09 | tangarora_ | ah .. OK: not these then: :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] |
| 09:54.09 | tangarora_ | :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] |
| 09:54.09 | tangarora_ | :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] |
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| 09:54.50 | tangarora_ | OK Ill see if I can figure that out.. |
| 09:55.20 | negev | hi, re: CVE-2017-16944 - is it the case that chunking is disabled by default in the debian package despite not being explicitly mentioned in any config files? |
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| 09:57.37 | shayla | Hi guys. I'm having a problem installing a package in my debian jessie. From packages i see that https://packages.debian.org/stretch/php7.0-imap php imap is available. But if I try to do apt install php.7.0-imap i get "Unable to locate package php7.0-imap", where i'm wrong? |
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| 09:59.10 | tangarora_ | shayla: did you try typing php[TAB] and let it auto complete... incase its a typo? |
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| 10:01.33 | shayla | tangarora_ thanks for your answer. I added "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch main" in my sources.list and now it works :D |
| 10:01.55 | tangarora_ | ah! ofcourse! |
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| 10:26.31 | pseudonymous | Hey, I just wiped my bashrc like an idiot - Where can I find a clean copy (such as is used when creating a new user). I would've thought to look in /etc/skel but no dice. |
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| 10:55.37 | bezaban | ,v exim4 |
| 10:55.38 | judd | Package: exim4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.80-7+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 4.80-7+deb7u5; jessie: 4.84.2-2+deb8u4; jessie-security: 4.84.2-2+deb8u4; jessie-backports: 4.89-2+deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.89-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 4.89-2+deb9u1; buster: 4.89-7; sid: 4.89-7; sid: 4.89-11; experimental: 4.90~RC2-3 |
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| 11:55.40 | dcpc007 | Hi, i upgrade a debian 7 to debian 8, but some strange things. Like autocompletion in systemctl guive an error |
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| 11:56.08 | dcpc007 | systemctl status nt<alt> --> Failed to get D-Bus connection: No such file or directory |
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| 11:56.38 | dcpc007 | i try look in google but many many cases it seems, some speak about dbus missing |
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| 11:57.04 | dcpc007 | but i don't see such thing to install or configure in the debian wiki update |
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| 11:58.10 | dcpc007 | how can i check if i am really with systemd now ? and have you an idea about this problem ? |
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| 11:59.09 | dcpc007 | in aptitude i see 2 things : systemd installed, but 2 recommanded not : dbus and libpam-systemd |
| 11:59.38 | tangarora_ | Hi so i got it all to work with iptables routing traffic throug a VPN and blocking traffic if vpn is down. I made a script that configures tis for you. PLS try and test... :) https://www.dropbox.com/s/x1s4geonmpqwscy/sls-start-routes?dl=0 |
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| 11:59.50 | tangarora_ | worked for me... famous words.. ;) |
| 12:00.20 | tangarora_ | sorry for the typos... I have a broken finger... |
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| 12:04.04 | gpunk | dcpc007 you rebooted after the upgrade ? |
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| 12:07.30 | dcpc007 | yes, i follow the wiki debian processus |
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| 12:07.54 | dcpc007 | i find a custo we have here to disable recommanded package install |
| 12:08.03 | dcpc007 | trying to keep minimal system |
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| 12:08.24 | dcpc007 | then, i think it could be a case for missiing dbus package |
| 12:08.48 | dcpc007 | but don't know systemd and then don't know th impact of the missing dbus |
| 12:08.58 | dcpc007 | services are started and seems to work, |
| 12:09.12 | dcpc007 | currently only no completion |
| 12:09.31 | dcpc007 | seems not other problems, but as it's on a test VM, no users on it |
| 12:09.49 | gpunk | so install dbus ... |
| 12:10.43 | dcpc007 | yes, i think i'll change the politic about recommanded |
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| 12:11.21 | dcpc007 | official recommandation from debian is to always install recommanded unless you know why or specific problem, and never install optional, unless you really need |
| 12:11.37 | dcpc007 | is there a method to detect all recommanded packages not installed ? |
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| 12:14.37 | dcpc007 | completion works well after dbus install |
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| 12:19.21 | dcpc007 | i found another reason for not install all recommanded, some packages like aspell would install all languauges pacckages then thenth of them, only for aspell |
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| 12:21.13 | dcpc007 | is Recommand list recursive ? |
| 12:21.40 | dcpc007 | like install a package install its direct recommends, but too the recommends of recommended |
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| 12:28.35 | themill | dcpc007: yes, all recommended packages are included and this is occasionally annoying |
| 12:29.14 | oo_miguel | my syslog gets spammed with some Hardware Error (Sense information, ATA command pass through) every 30min, concerning my external usb drive, which seems to work perfectly fine. I pasted the correspondin dmeseg output here: https://paste.debian.net/997794/ |
| 12:29.19 | oo_miguel | any idea how to fix this issue? |
| 12:29.21 | dcpc007 | aptitude search '?reverse-recommends(~i)!(~i)'|wc -l --> 275 packages |
| 12:30.34 | gpunk | oo_miguel no, that usb key is dieing :( |
| 12:31.04 | dcpc007 | https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2335529 ? |
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| 12:31.12 | dcpc007 | they suggest do a fsck |
| 12:31.32 | dcpc007 | (i'll add the --dry-run option, don't remember the name) |
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| 12:31.53 | oo_miguel | gpunk: what do you mean by "key" ? |
| 12:32.07 | dcpc007 | or do you use it on windows too ? i got some weird errors switching usb keys from linux to windows |
| 12:32.10 | gpunk | oh usb drive, sorry |
| 12:32.26 | oo_miguel | gpunk: hmm but the drive passes all smart tests perfectly fine |
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| 12:33.23 | gpunk | it doesnt matter, smart can oversee things that are sporadic |
| 12:33.44 | gpunk | if i was you, i wouldnt trust that drive anymore |
| 12:33.53 | gpunk | and make a backup as sonn as possible |
| 12:34.24 | dcpc007 | without hardware errors, did you check at FS level ? |
| 12:35.03 | oo_miguel | dselect: i use the drive on linux only |
| 12:35.03 | dselect | oo_miguel: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 12:35.10 | oo_miguel | aah dcpc007 i mean |
| 12:35.32 | oo_miguel | i use it from linux only |
| 12:35.44 | dcpc007 | lol, you could check anyway ... |
| 12:35.57 | dcpc007 | it's make to detect many problems |
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| 12:36.18 | dcpc007 | (made ? not sure of the word :) ) |
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| 12:38.14 | oo_miguel | the error occurs even without any parition mounted, so it is not on FS level |
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| 12:40.41 | dcpc007 | too high level for me, when i see the bad magic numbers |
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| 12:41.02 | dcpc007 | but think ti could be as soon as you plug it and the system try to detect what is incoming |
| 12:41.31 | gpunk | to be precise |
| 12:41.51 | gpunk | it could be the usb/sata converted inside the box |
| 12:41.58 | gpunk | converter* |
| 12:42.08 | gpunk | so the drive can be fine |
| 12:42.19 | gpunk | but the controler going bad |
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| 12:46.07 | jspiros | I'm booting some systems with read-only root over NFS (with tmpfs overlay) from another debian box |
| 12:46.20 | jspiros | I am chrooting to do package upgrades and stuff on the NFS server |
| 12:46.37 | jspiros | but this is always a little weird when a package wants to restart a service |
| 12:47.20 | jspiros | is there a chroot-type tool I should look into that would make this process (managing an NFS root Debian install), I don't know, more intuitive? |
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| 12:47.42 | luke__ | Hello |
| 12:49.23 | luke__ | Lots of users in this channel, but no talking? (I'm new to IRC and wondering if I'm missing something!) |
| 12:49.41 | jspiros | it's only been a few minutes :) |
| 12:49.58 | luke__ | Right ^^ |
| 12:50.10 | dcpc007 | luke__: lol, maybe you think everybody is only waiting a user come and answer in the minute |
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| 12:50.50 | luke__ | Lol, nah. I just thought that with this many people surely there would already be a conversation going on |
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| 12:51.26 | dcpc007 | bah 3 problems rported since 1hour, pretty active :) |
| 12:52.50 | luke__ | Oh, is this some kind of official debian channel? |
| 12:53.13 | dcpc007 | systemctl - is there an option to have an output when starting a service ? |
| 12:53.13 | gpunk | yes |
| 12:53.18 | luke__ | *asks lots of stupid questions* |
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| 12:53.30 | dcpc007 | currently it goes back to prompt without anything chown |
| 12:53.56 | gpunk | dcpc007 journalctl |
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| 12:54.13 | dcpc007 | yes ok a second command, systecmtl status too |
| 12:54.27 | dcpc007 | but can't have a result directly ? |
| 12:54.42 | gpunk | not really |
| 12:54.50 | dcpc007 | strange that asking to start something doesn't tells if success |
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| 12:55.21 | dcpc007 | not strange but uncomfortable |
| 12:55.22 | gpunk | if it fails it says it actually |
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| 12:55.29 | gpunk | but that depends on the service |
| 12:56.08 | dcpc007 | i don't like this :-( when i start an important service on production server, i think it should answer : ok service started |
| 12:56.10 | gpunk | when no output means success |
| 12:56.26 | dcpc007 | with a nice geen [ OK ] :D |
| 12:56.55 | luke__ | (Cool. I stumbled in here by joining "Ubuntu" and then, out of curiousity, searching /list #debian. Is the same channel hosted (linked to?) on multiple servers, per chance?) |
| 12:57.06 | dcpc007 | i don't like silent action when manual operations are done |
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| 12:58.26 | gpunk | no, you can check the logs in paralell :) |
| 12:59.09 | dcpc007 | yes or the status |
| 12:59.26 | dcpc007 | systemd commands are more boring to use in my opinion |
| 13:00.00 | dcpc007 | i'll have sudoers rules to migrate, more boring |
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| 13:00.20 | dcpc007 | as the start/stop/... is in the middle of the command now |
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| 13:01.11 | dcpc007 | before : sudo /etc/init.d/my_service * (or sudo service my_service *) |
| 13:01.48 | dcpc007 | after : not sure a sudo systemctl * my_service works or can't be a break in rights ! |
| 13:02.10 | dcpc007 | like what happends after when a user write sudo systemctl stop ssh my_service ? |
| 13:02.40 | dcpc007 | stop ssh, and my_service ? throw global error ? stop ssh and throw error for "my_service" |
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| 13:31.57 | BanHammor | Hi! is it difficult to roll a basically-debian distro where packages like Mesa and kernel are kept old and custom? |
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| 13:33.22 | jspiros | a distro that you could have other people easily install, or just an installation on a single system that keeps mesa and kernel old? |
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| 13:36.21 | jelly-home | BanHammor: it depends; mesa and dri are usually closely related to xorg stuff and you might have to rebuild newer versions of xorg stuff against your custom mesa and drm libs |
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| 13:37.56 | cybrNaut | some services have /etc/init.d/servicename and also a /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/some.service |
| 13:38.11 | cybrNaut | why is that? is this a transitional stage? |
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| 13:38.23 | cybrNaut | should i be adapting to use systemd? |
| 13:39.25 | jspiros | I'm guessing systemd will prefer the .service file of the same name over the old init script |
| 13:40.59 | BanHammor | jspiros, the former: usecase is not unlike rPi |
| 13:41.08 | cybrNaut | i've noticed that /etc/init.d/bitlbee doesn't start automatically.. i always have to do a /etc/init.d/bitlbee restart. I wonder if systemd would solve that |
| 13:41.41 | BanHammor | systemctl enable bitlbee |
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| 13:41.57 | jspiros | cybrNaut: are you using systemd as your init? if so, you'd want to do "systemctl status bitlbee" to make sure it's actually not running, and "systemctl start bitlbee" to start it |
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| 13:42.49 | jspiros | though invoke-rc.d and service helpers will use systemctl as appropriate |
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| 13:43.03 | matzeG | hello :) |
| 13:43.07 | cybrNaut | i don't even know if I'm using systemd as my init, or exactly what that means. I thought it would be on a per-app basis |
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| 13:43.45 | jspiros | cybrNaut: dpkg -l | grep systemd-sysv |
| 13:43.54 | jspiros | cybrNaut: if you have systemd-sysv installed, you're using systemd as your init, so it manages everything |
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| 13:44.14 | BanHammor | well, if there's a /etc/systemd you are probably already on systemd |
| 13:44.18 | cybrNaut | ok, then i do |
| 13:45.19 | jspiros | cybrNaut: so you might want to get used to using systemctl to manage your services |
| 13:45.32 | jspiros | cybrNaut: :) |
| 13:46.11 | cybrNaut | okay.. will do |
| 13:46.35 | BanHammor | `systemctl status <service>` says if the service is running, `systemctl enable <service>` enables the service on next boot on the current target, `systemctl start <service>` runs the service |
| 13:47.00 | jspiros | if multi-user.target.wants/some.service exists, it means it was enabled, I believe |
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| 13:47.06 | jelly-home | cybrNaut: what does "cat /proc/1/comm" say |
| 13:47.16 | BanHammor | yea, jspiros |
| 13:47.18 | jspiros | so you'll want to `systemctl status bitlbee` on next boot to see why it didn't start |
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| 13:47.24 | cybrNaut | systemd |
| 13:47.27 | jspiros | and then `systemctl start bitlbee` to get it started :) |
| 13:47.38 | jelly-home | then that's what your system uses for init |
| 13:48.09 | BanHammor | if the service only starts on "restart" then that's a surefire bug |
| 13:48.17 | cybrNaut | well i already did a /etc/init.d/bitlbee restart, and systemctl status bitlbee says "inactive" probably b/c init.d kicked it off |
| 13:49.17 | BanHammor | you might wanna make that initscript into a proper service |
| 13:49.18 | cybrNaut | but maybe systemctl enable bitlbee will fix it for the future |
| 13:49.48 | jspiros | cybrNaut: it's already enabled given what you've said |
| 13:49.54 | jspiros | cybrNaut: but sure, no harm in trying |
| 13:50.18 | jspiros | cybrNaut: you might want to stop it using the init.d script now, make sure it's not running with ps/psgrep/whatever and then systemctl start bitlbee to manage it with bitlbee even now |
| 13:50.22 | jspiros | er, manage it with systemd even now :p |
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| 13:51.39 | cybrNaut | ok |
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| 13:57.35 | pragomer | is a debian9-live-cd-nonfree equal / as good as an actual ubuntu-live-cd concerning hardware-recognition/support ? are they equal? |
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| 14:00.42 | jelly-home | pragomer: we don't know what kind of hw support ubuntu does, it might be, it might not |
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| 14:25.50 | NapoleonWils0n | hi all |
| 14:26.10 | RoyK | hi |
| 14:26.17 | NapoleonWils0n | im running debian sid and get garbled audio with kodi, anyone else having the same issue |
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| 14:26.39 | NapoleonWils0n | had a chat on kodi irc and they said kodi 17 doesnt work with ffmpeg 3.4 |
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| 14:26.51 | gpunk | you ll get help on the OFTC network / channel debian-next |
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| 14:27.37 | RoyK | dpkg: tell NapoleonWils0n about sns |
| 14:27.38 | maxzor | Hello, I am looking for a wifi driver for this guy on stretch : 02:00.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. RT5390 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe. I installed firmware-realtek with dpkg from debian site, but "It does not work". |
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| 14:27.52 | Rico | hello |
| 14:28.50 | Rico | got a problem with systemd on OCFS2 packages : https://paste.debian.net/997819/ |
| 14:28.51 | RoyK | maxzor: one of those listed here? https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci |
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| 14:30.08 | RoyK | Rico: hm - out of curosity, why ocfs2? |
| 14:30.11 | Rico | looks like a known bug : https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=796638 |
| 14:30.12 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/796638 in ocfs2-tools (closed, sid, stretch): «ocfs2-tools: Has init script in runlevel S but no matching service file»; severity: grave; opened: 2015-08-23; last modified: 2016-08-16. |
| 14:30.23 | Rico | RoyK: because I need it :) |
| 14:30.42 | Rico | running ocfs2 on top of multipath iscsi |
| 14:30.48 | maxzor | RoyK, right I installed realtek instead of ralink, genius... (yet do you have a clue about why dmesg complained about requiring realtek blob for?) |
| 14:30.55 | Rico | shared partition between two servers |
| 14:31.05 | Rico | but that's not the point |
| 14:31.11 | RoyK | Rico: just wondered why not gfs2⦠|
| 14:31.20 | Rico | had trouble with gfs |
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| 14:31.28 | RoyK | but then, to your problem, I have no clue, sorry |
| 14:31.33 | Rico | and existing is running ocfs2 |
| 14:31.43 | RoyK | I see |
| 14:32.49 | RoyK | once had an issue with an ext4 filesystem being mounted in parallel - that was quite interesting |
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| 14:39.39 | Rico | big is closed but problem seems to be unresolved |
| 14:39.49 | Rico | "We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of |
| 14:39.49 | Rico | ocfs2-tools, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive. |
| 14:39.49 | Rico | " |
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| 14:42.14 | maxzor | RoyK, the package you linked is for Jessie : I have a hard time figuring if it is also included in stretch firmware-misc-nonfree : https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-ralink stretch stable does not mention RTL5390 |
| 14:42.53 | HeXiLeD | seems that skype8 does not do auto login on boot. keeps asking to unlock. (gnome keyrign is installed) Any solutions ? This does not say much https://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 14:42.56 | Noorull | . I keep receiving executivg grub-install dummy failed while installing Stretchh |
| 14:43.47 | Noorull | I even wiped other O.S and version as well previously installed grub2. |
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| 14:45.20 | Noorull | Keeping getting this error after trying to install freshly. Both ext4 and EPS newly partitioned. For now Stretch installed without bootloader. |
| 14:46.44 | Noorull | Can any one help me to install Grub2 on EPS and update it with newly installed Stretch. Stucked here for more than serval hours. |
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| 14:47.19 | gpunk | maxzor firmware-misc-nonfree is in stretch |
| 14:47.31 | Noorull | Right now, I am at grub command line with Stretch netinstall usb |
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| 14:47.56 | gpunk | maxzor firmware-misc-nonfree is what you need |
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| 14:49.05 | maxzor | gpunk yes? I cannot see 5390.bin in there https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-misc-nonfree. Although as I understand only one driver rt2800pci supports various hardware. |
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| 14:54.43 | gpunk | I guess you have to install it manually ... i dont see it either |
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| 14:56.31 | Lope | I've had hhvm installed on a jessie container for 2 years, no problem. |
| 14:56.37 | Lope | Now it's failing apt-get update. |
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| 14:56.46 | Lope | "W: Failed to fetch https://dl.hhvm.com/debian/dists/jessie/InRelease Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-i386/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)" |
| 14:57.00 | Lope | `uname -a`: Linux webserver 2.6.32-openvz-042stab113.11-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Dec 18 17:40:41 MSK 2015 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:57.12 | Lope | `dpkg -l | grep hhvm` shows ii hhvm 3.22.1~jessie amd64 HHVM virtual machine, runtime, and JIT... |
| 14:57.41 | Lope | So an amd64 package is selected yet the error is showing a i386 package, where does that come from? |
| 14:58.07 | Lope | `cat /etc/issue`: Debian GNU/Linux 8 |
| 14:58.07 | giirt | Hello, is it possible to block a user from accessing the network through kernel configuration instead of setting up IPTABLE rules? |
| 14:58.38 | Lope | giirt: ipset, but you will need iptables also. |
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| 14:58.57 | Lope | Otherwise you can do general rules in sysctl.conf but probably not IP specific. |
| 14:59.10 | Lope | in iptables you can block by MAC or IP. |
| 14:59.18 | gpunk | maxzor how do you know, that you need 5390.bin ? dmesg ? |
| 14:59.20 | Lope | Or port or protocol |
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| 14:59.58 | maxzor | i didn't know I wrongly assumed^ got Wifi, ty RoyK & gpunk |
| 15:00.16 | Johnny91 | How would I get the reason why firefoxwebdriver is in non-free? |
| 15:00.48 | giirt | Lope: I want to block all network connectivity for a specific user. I want to prohibit the user from making any networking system calls. |
| 15:00.56 | gpunk | maxzor: can you show us your dmesg ? plz |
| 15:01.04 | gpunk | with pastbin... |
| 15:01.15 | Lope | giirt: you can use a container |
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| 15:01.34 | Lope | giirt: otherwise you can look into apparmour perhaps |
| 15:02.14 | gpunk | oh ok ... :) |
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| 15:03.31 | maxzor | sure, dmesg never told me about ralink (or so I suppose), it only complained about realtek so I also installed firmware-realtek. https://pastebin.com/93RbhtX0 |
| 15:03.53 | Lope | gpunk: for containers you could use lxc, openvz or docker (vomit) |
| 15:04.07 | maxzor | just that lspci outputs 02:00.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. RT5390 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe |
| 15:05.11 | gpunk | that s what i thaught , your firmware is rt2860.bin :) |
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| 15:05.20 | gpunk | which is loaded, hence you got wifi :) |
| 15:05.23 | maxzor | alright |
| 15:05.57 | giirt | Lope: I'll look into containers, thank you! |
| 15:06.17 | RoyK | maxzor: try lspci -vn to get the full pci id |
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| 15:10.29 | Johnny91 | dpkg firefowebdriver |
| 15:10.29 | dpkg | Johnny91: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 15:32.24 | jens` | Hi, I have a problem with my mailserver. This is postfix. Problem is that it does not find the ssl certificate. Indeed it does but the host is wrong. Name is h2124860.stratoserver.net, and if I ask this at ssl-tools.net it show the valid certificate for jensteich.de. But it says wrong hostname. When I ask for jensteich.de, it finds the wrong certificate which is only selfmade and invalid. Any help or pointer elsewhere? |
| 15:33.38 | colo-work | jens`, which port do you have TLS ocnfigured on? and is it in STARTTLS or smtmp-mode? |
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| 15:35.05 | jorb | chromium browser, anyway to force it to send NVLMv2 auth responses? yes i've asked this many times before, still no luck getting this going |
| 15:35.07 | jelly-home | jens`: did you create a certificate for h2124860.stratoserver.net or jensteich.de or both? |
| 15:35.20 | jens` | only jensteich.de |
| 15:35.26 | colo-work | jens`, your "jensteich.de" cert on port smtp via STARTTLS lacks a proper certificate chain up to thawte |
| 15:35.45 | jelly-home | jens`: well then, how do you expect it to be relevant for h2124860.stratoserver.net |
| 15:35.48 | jens` | how do I fix this |
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| 15:36.15 | jens` | I want only one of them to work |
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| 15:36.28 | jelly-home | jens`: create a certificate with all the relevant dns names that will be used for SMTP AUTH clients and in MX records. |
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| 15:37.01 | colo-work | openssl s_client -connect jensteich.de:25 -starttls smtp -CApath /etc/ssl/certs/ <<<QUIT |
| 15:37.09 | colo-work | shows that your cert chain is too short/empty |
| 15:37.14 | colo-work | for that domain's MX |
| 15:37.23 | colo-work | (which is jensteich.de, too) |
| 15:37.26 | gpunk | jens`: did you configure mailname ? /etc/postfix/main.cf:myhostname = |
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| 15:39.53 | jens` | yes myhostname is jensteich.de |
| 15:40.18 | jelly-home | jens`: you'll want to append the intermediate certificate to the file with the public certificate part; care to pastebin the output of "postconf -n"? |
| 15:40.38 | jelly | !paste |
| 15:40.39 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 15:42.30 | jens` | http://paste.debian.net/997828/ |
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| 15:43.44 | fasdfd | Hi, what is the default btrfs layout in debian 9 installer? |
| 15:44.14 | fasdfd | Can this layout be easily changed in the graphical installer? https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/SysadminGuide#Layout |
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| 15:44.59 | jelly | jens`: so find out where's the intermediate for "CN=thawte DV SSL CA - G2" in the archive you got when you bought the cert, convert it to unix line endings if needed, append it to the end of /etc/postfix/ssl/jensteich.de.crt and restart postfix |
| 15:46.57 | jens` | I will ask this question to my provider strato, who sold me this certificate, right? |
| 15:47.25 | jhutchins_wk | fasdfd: If your system is going to be a general purpose desktop, it's probably best to have a single partition + swap. If it's a server dedicated to a single purpose, partitioning makes a little more sense (but not much). Partitioning is a holdover from when hard disk space was expensive and small. |
| 15:47.26 | Lope | is dotdeb legit? |
| 15:47.38 | FinalX | don't use dotdeb anymore, use deb.sury.org instead |
| 15:47.41 | jhutchins_wk | Lope: Not recommended. |
| 15:48.24 | Lope | How can I install php7 on jessie? |
| 15:48.37 | Lope | I don't see a php7 here https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/php/ |
| 15:48.42 | Lope | Is there a PPA? |
| 15:49.01 | Lope | I'm not going to constantly compile from source |
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| 15:49.14 | FinalX | Lope: longer version: Dotdeb.org maintainer already said he was gonna stop. Additionally, we've had production systems break because he decided that a compiled-in extension suddenly became a seperate package without prior warning or mention in CHANGELOG. And, Sury.org's maintainer is a well-respected Zend-certified PHP-engineer that maintains it with the regular Debian build scripts. |
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| 15:49.42 | FinalX | Lope: how about you actually visit the URL I gave? https://deb.sury.org/ mentions the repository right there :) |
| 15:50.32 | jhutchins_wk | Lope: Debian does not have ppas. |
| 15:50.44 | RoyK | Lope: PPAs are an ubuntu thing |
| 15:50.51 | Lope | FinalX: oh, sorry I missed the hostname you wrote |
| 15:50.56 | RoyK | Lope: but then - upgrading to stretch isn't too hard ;) |
| 15:50.59 | Lope | RoyK okay, thanks |
| 15:51.10 | Lope | hmm, is stretch stable now? |
| 15:51.17 | RoyK | for a year or so, yes |
| 15:51.24 | FinalX | Sury has 7.0 for jessie, and 7.1 stable + 7.2 rc for both jessie and stretch. |
| 15:51.27 | Lope | oops. Okay I'll just upgrade to stretch |
| 15:51.38 | jelly | dpkg, jessie->stretch |
| 15:51.39 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 15:52.13 | FinalX | plus if you have an important application that you really need fast security fixes for, sticking with stretch's native version is better |
| 15:52.15 | fasdfd | jhutchins_wk, I'm not asking about partitioning, but about planning btrfs subvolumes and snapshots layout. |
| 15:52.25 | FinalX | Debian Security Team vs 1 person .. :) |
| 15:52.30 | RoyK | Lope: sorry, not a year, just since 2017-06-17 |
| 15:52.40 | RoyK | but then, it works |
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| 15:56.52 | Lope | RoyK: okay, seemed strange I missed it hehe |
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| 15:58.57 | jhutchins_wk | I wonder if apt* should show a message when a release upgrade is available. Unless you follow this channel or one of the Announce mailing lists, it can be easy to miss a new release. |
| 15:59.21 | Lope | crosses fingers while upgrade runs (I did backup the container in case) |
| 15:59.49 | Lope | I've done a wheezy>jessie upgrade on a RbPi before they had a jessie image. |
| 16:00.38 | kirk781 | change your repos with references to 'stable' from 'jessie'. This way debian tracks the stable release and automatically upgrades if apt-get upgrade is run |
| 16:01.06 | Lope | kirk781: done, thanks. |
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| 16:02.38 | jhutchins_wk | kirk781: We recommend against that. Surprise upgrades can cause a lot of troubles. That's why we recomend reading the release notes before upgrading. |
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| 16:03.20 | kankusht | good afternoon |
| 16:03.25 | kankusht | I need help :( |
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| 16:04.06 | kirk781 | jhutchins_wk ; but those surprise upgrades aren't from the testing distribution or anything. They are stable ones. And Debian is known for rock solid stability. Sure, I get your point but seriously, few home users actually care for the release notes. |
| 16:04.21 | kirk781 | kankusht, evening here! |
| 16:04.54 | Lope | kirk781: oh, I didn't read what you wrote carefully. Yeah I know of that trick but as jhutchins_wk said it's a bit to crazy. I'd rather upgrade distro intentionally. |
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| 16:05.22 | Lope | Oh bugger |
| 16:05.43 | Lope | The upgrade is sortof finished now but stretch says that my openvz 2.6 kernel is not supported |
| 16:06.20 | Lope | although it said it might still work. so I'll see. |
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| 16:12.25 | RoyK | Lope: you may want to migrate to LXC instead of using openvz |
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| 16:15.22 | pugspaw | I'm sorry All. But here needs our help. " https://en.unihelp.by/child/kniazev-vladislav ". I want to believe in people. |
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| 16:16.24 | RoyK | !ops |
| 16:16.24 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 16:16.42 | RoyK | ah - a bit late ;) |
| 16:16.42 | babilen | RoyK: Yes? |
| 16:16.49 | babilen | heh |
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| 16:19.22 | Lope | RoyK: I generally deploy LXC for new stuff that I do. |
| 16:19.41 | Lope | But I've got a legacy OpenVZ setup that I've not moved away from yet. |
| 16:19.53 | Lope | However OpenVZ has one thing going for it that LXC doesn't. |
| 16:20.01 | RoyK | ok? |
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| 16:20.07 | Lope | You can't get extra screens in LXC |
| 16:20.14 | Lope | For example screen doesn't work in LXC |
| 16:20.20 | FinalX | ? |
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| 16:20.29 | FinalX | screen works fine for me with lxc |
| 16:20.31 | Lope | And if you hack it to work it ends up consuming screens on the host |
| 16:20.32 | RoyK | sounds wierd |
| 16:20.43 | RoyK | and btw, s/screen/tmux/ any day |
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| 16:20.47 | FinalX | we have entire shell servers for our customers running in lxc |
| 16:20.53 | Lope | I tried tmux also |
| 16:21.00 | Lope | tmux didn't work inside LXC either |
| 16:21.11 | RoyK | ut just uses a vtty |
| 16:21.15 | RoyK | shouldn't be that hard |
| 16:21.19 | FinalX | unless you're using lxc-attach, which isn't meant for that, it's just a chroot |
| 16:21.28 | FinalX | (or well, a bit more) |
| 16:21.48 | Lope | FinalX: can you please show me what configs you're using for LXC in general and your LXC container? |
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| 16:22.05 | Lope | FinalX how do you get into the screens inside the container? |
| 16:22.15 | Lope | Do you have to go in via SSH or can you get in from the host? |
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| 16:22.34 | FinalX | you log in to the container, they are sort of virtual machines, not containerized applications. if you want that, use docker |
| 16:22.48 | Lope | I hate docker with a passion |
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| 16:22.51 | FinalX | lxc-attach is only meant for maintenance |
| 16:22.52 | Lope | So I'll just use LXC |
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| 16:23.01 | FinalX | then ssh into your container and resume screen there :P |
| 16:23.19 | Lope | FinalX interesting, I've never tried installing a SSH server inside a LXC container |
| 16:23.35 | Lope | I see. Then LXC attach was probably my problem. |
| 16:24.03 | Lope | So when you do maintenance on your customers managed containers's screens, you'd have to SSH into them? |
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| 16:24.29 | Lope | I want real containers that's why I like LXC and OpenVZ |
| 16:24.41 | Lope | I do not want containerized applications. |
| 16:24.49 | FinalX | Lope: we manage the container, customers don't even know they're inside an LXC container when they SSH in. |
| 16:25.28 | FinalX | well, you get what you pay for, you get a virtualised machine that only shares the kernel with its host |
| 16:25.32 | Lope | FinalX: but if you need to manage your customer's container that has screens that you need to get into... do you HAVE to SSH in? |
| 16:25.36 | FinalX | so treat it as such, just ssh in |
| 16:25.41 | Lope | Meaning attach won't work for screens? |
| 16:26.03 | Lope | Well, the interesting thing is that I use OpenVZ a lot. |
| 16:26.06 | FinalX | probably not, but can't see it work well |
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| 16:26.13 | Lope | And with OpenVZ you can attach and then use screens. |
| 16:26.16 | FinalX | I used to use OpenVZ, but it's so ancient it shouldn't be in use anymore |
| 16:26.18 | Lope | But it's a different beast. |
| 16:26.25 | FinalX | and most newer OpenVZ tooling is just a wrapper around LXC. |
| 16:26.37 | Lope | Yeah unfortunately openvz is unmaintained. |
| 16:26.54 | Lope | Yes, it's sad but openvz is very obsolete now. |
| 16:26.58 | FinalX | I don't really get why you'd want to enter someone else's screen though. |
| 16:27.09 | Lope | management |
| 16:27.11 | FinalX | and in any case, yes, normally you would ssh into the same user@host and screen -x |
| 16:27.17 | FinalX | what do you mean by screen? |
| 16:27.27 | Lope | Well right now I don't really have customers that rent containers that they themselves use. |
| 16:27.28 | FinalX | the application screen? or a root shell inside the container? |
| 16:27.43 | Lope | But I do have many containers which function like VM's |
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| 16:28.04 | Lope | Where all their applications that are needed for whatever the VM accumplishes live together in the container. |
| 16:28.20 | Lope | I like running stuff inside screens instead of detached. |
| 16:28.35 | Lope | That way I can view it's stdout and stop and restart easily. |
| 16:28.47 | FinalX | or you could use systemd |
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| 16:28.49 | Lope | I make a lot of node.js and php scripts etc. |
| 16:28.56 | Lope | Yeah I've just not yet learned how to do that. |
| 16:28.58 | FinalX | that's exactly what systemd does :) |
| 16:29.15 | Lope | Life is short and linux is a complicated beast. |
| 16:29.20 | FinalX | systemd starts processes in the foreground and keeps track of their stdout and stderr |
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| 16:29.29 | FinalX | and can also perform actions when the process dies etc. |
| 16:29.31 | Lope | I've already spent like 3 years hardcore learning linux. Systemd is the last straw :p |
| 16:29.58 | Lope | I suppose I should learn systemd. |
| 16:30.02 | FinalX | I had to bite through that as well. I hated systemd with a vengeance when I started, but it's not so bad and quite useful once you get to know it. |
| 16:30.04 | Lope | But until then... Screen! |
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| 16:30.27 | Lope | FinalX I'm sure there are plenty of quick tutorials to making systemd services. |
| 16:30.33 | Lope | I'll check one out some time. |
| 16:30.34 | FinalX | screen is a bit annoying to begin with. it's great if it's just you, but reattaching a screen from another user or with other invocations already gets trickier |
| 16:30.45 | Lope | I've gotta go. thanks for the chat |
| 16:30.50 | FinalX | np, good luck |
| 16:30.58 | O371 | hi! i am going to sell my old laptop running debian tomorrow to someone who wants to reinstall windows on it. should that work without any problems? (I don't request any advice on windows installation as I dislike windows, it's just important for me to know that that person can still reinstall his Windows on the machine after I completely wiped Windows from the machine years ago) |
| 16:31.04 | Lope | Yes, i wrote a php script that wraps the screen command |
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| 16:31.11 | Lope | the screen command on it's own is a bit of a POS. |
| 16:31.24 | zzla | yes 0371 |
| 16:31.36 | Iridos | judd, pciid 00:1b.0 |
| 16:31.44 | Lope | but effectively I just do this. `s foo` and regardless of whether there is a screen labelled foo or not, that's where I will be, so it'll create one if it doesn't exist. |
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| 16:32.09 | Lope | And if it does exist, it'll issue the correct command to attach to it regardless of how gracefully or ungracefully it was previously attached. |
| 16:32.15 | Lope | detached I mean. |
| 16:32.23 | Iridos | :( That's what lspci -vvv gives me |
| 16:32.40 | Lope | Or if screen thinks something is already attached to the screen that actually isn't (like if the SSH session broke) |
| 16:33.00 | Lope | so screen sucks by itself, but I've sanitized it. |
| 16:33.12 | Lope | gtg l8r |
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| 16:33.16 | RedSoxFan07 | O371: As long as you provide the Windows disc and wipe the hard drive, it should be fine. |
| 16:34.25 | O371 | RedSoxFan07: i don't have my Windows disk anymore but it should work if he uses his new one, i assume? |
| 16:34.31 | FinalX | O371: Depends on the Windows version as well. Some versions require more resources than others, and more often than not, more than Debian does. |
| 16:34.45 | RedSoxFan07 | O371: But if it came with Windows 8, there is one other variable to consider: BIOS. If you replaced the BIOS with LibreBoot or CoreBoot, you may have a problem, as OEMs put the license key in the BIOS nowadays instead of putting it underneath the battery or somewhere else on the outside of the computer as they did in years past. |
| 16:34.49 | FinalX | And on the hardware, some laptops have hardware that requires OEM drivers. |
| 16:34.55 | O371 | FinalX: I had Win10 on it when I bought it and he wants to install Win7 I think |
| 16:35.07 | FinalX | Tell him to just go for Windows 10 tbh. |
| 16:35.09 | RedSoxFan07 | O371: Oh, okay.That's interesting. |
| 16:35.19 | FinalX | uses Windows 10 and used Windows 7 for years before that |
| 16:35.32 | FinalX | Windows 8 was a piece of shit, but Windows 10 is ok. |
| 16:35.37 | RedSoxFan07 | O371: If he's got the disc, it should work, especially if he hasn't used that disc's key on another PC. |
| 16:35.54 | RedSoxFan07 | FinalX: Aside from the spying which we cannot turn off with any certainty. |
| 16:35.59 | FinalX | 10 also comes with a lot more drivers and a smaller core than 7/8, so more likely to just function out of the box |
| 16:36.00 | O371 | RedSoxFan07: alright, thanks! |
| 16:36.11 | RedSoxFan07 | O371: You're very welcome. |
| 16:36.20 | FinalX | well, took me half an hour to click through all settings, but I managed to disable the 3 pages of anti-privacy crap |
| 16:36.39 | FinalX | and we've done thorough tcpdumps to figure out what it was still leaking or not :p |
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| 16:37.20 | kirk781 | finalx, Windows 8 was just Windows 7 with a shitty UI |
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| 16:37.52 | FinalX | yeah, kinda |
| 16:38.51 | RedSoxFan07 | kirk781: Nice! |
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| 16:39.13 | decci | I am facing issue while install openwsman on debian 9 |
| 16:39.45 | RedSoxFan07 | decci: I'm not familiar with that program. |
| 16:40.08 | FinalX | hmm, anyone ever had "Inappropriate ioctl for device" on a OpenVZ VPS somewhere when trying to use /dev/net/tun for OpenVPN/whatever VPN? |
| 16:40.12 | decci | https://pastebin.com/YSptupX1 |
| 16:40.21 | FinalX | I think the VPS provider forgot something. |
| 16:40.28 | RedSoxFan07 | decci: But it might help to tell us which Debian branch you're using. |
| 16:40.51 | jhutchins_wk | RedSoxFan07: Other than debian 9? |
| 16:41.02 | decci | RedSoxFan07: I am using Debian 9 Stretch |
| 16:41.15 | RedSoxFan07 | jhutchins_wk: There are are a few branches of Debian 9 and any Debian release for that matter. |
| 16:41.31 | RedSoxFan07 | jhutchins_wk: There's Stable, Testing, and Unstable. |
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| 16:42.06 | RedSoxFan07 | jhutchins_wk: Stable is currently named Stretch. Testing is currently named Buster. Unstable is always named Sid, after the unstable neighbor in Toy Story. |
| 16:42.09 | decci | I was trying to install openwsman 2.6 version |
| 16:42.29 | RedSoxFan07 | jhutchins_wk: There's also OldStable, which is Jessie, and OldOldStable, which is Wheezy. |
| 16:43.10 | RedSoxFan07 | But if you don't know which branch, you're using, you're either running the Stable branch, or you switched and forgot. |
| 16:43.13 | kirk781 | redsoxfan07, and oldoldoldoldoldstable if you are feeling really nostalgic |
| 16:43.17 | RedSoxFan07 | kirk781: Nice! |
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| 16:43.36 | DJAnonimo | hello |
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| 16:44.14 | jhutchins_wk | RedSoxFan07: No, those aren't branches of 9. 9 is stable. Testing will be 10 when it's released. Unstable is not a branch or relese, it's a repository of packages on their way to testing. |
| 16:45.05 | RedSoxFan07 | jhutchins_wk: closer enough |
| 16:45.15 | RedSoxFan07 | s/closer/close |
| 16:45.38 | RedSoxFan07 | close enough |
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| 16:46.47 | decci | Any idea how to troubleshoot /tmp/openwsman-2.6.3/src/lib/wsman-curl-client-transport.c:244:18: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type âX509_STORE_CTX {aka struct x509_store_ctx_st}â X509 *cert = ctx->cert; |
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| 16:47.09 | DJAnonimo | anyone can help, apache2 failed after update to jessie |
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| 16:47.28 | DJAnonimo | Errors were encountered while processing: apache2 |
| 16:47.34 | jhutchins_wk | decci: That's not a debian package, you'll have to get support from the openwsman project. |
| 16:47.50 | jhutchins_wk | !bat DJAnonimo |
| 16:48.21 | DJAnonimo | !bat ? |
| 16:48.21 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 16:48.27 | decci | jhutchins_wk: I have raised an issue with them https://github.com/Openwsman/openwsman/issues/107 |
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| 16:49.20 | jhutchins_wk | decci: Good luck. It looks like the project has decent support. |
| 16:49.37 | decci | jhutchins_wk:Yeah...I am not sure when shall I get the response |
| 16:49.39 | DJAnonimo | apache is not running |
| 16:50.23 | DJAnonimo | !pastebin |
| 16:50.24 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 16:51.05 | DJAnonimo | jhutchins: http://paste.debian.net/997842/ |
| 16:51.26 | decci | I have packages which are available for ubuntu 16.04.3 and while I checked /etc/debian_version it corresponds to sid or stretch |
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| 16:52.11 | decci | Does it indicates that those packages will get installed on Debian Stretch |
| 16:52.35 | jhutchins_wk | decci: Actually, the repository hasn't had a commit since 2013 - project may be dead. |
| 16:53.31 | jhutchins_wk | decci: Hard to decipher, that's the top level that hasn't had a commit, openwsman itself got updated 20 days ago. |
| 16:54.26 | jhutchins_wk | decci: Did you create the certificates? |
| 16:54.32 | kirk781 | How to know if a user is actual human or a bot on IRC? |
| 16:54.45 | decci | jhutchins_wk: No |
| 16:55.15 | jhutchins_wk | decci: That's probably what it failed on, looking at the error text. That's a step that's mentioned but not detailed in the README. |
| 16:55.36 | jhutchins_wk | kirk781: On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog. |
| 16:56.06 | decci | jhutchins_wk: I was simply following https://github.com/Openwsman/openwsman/blob/master/README.md |
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| 16:57.03 | decci | jhutchins_wk: you mean self signed certificate |
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| 16:57.22 | decci | jhutchins_wk: Do i need to run the following command - openssl req -newkey rsa:2048 -nodes -keyout key.pem -x509 -days 365 -out certificate.pem |
| 16:57.34 | kirk781 | jhutchins_wk : I am aware of the Internet adage. However, IRC groups do have some user-made bots in them. How to view them? [For some reason, I think dpkg is a bot] |
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| 16:58.30 | jhutchins_wk | kirk781: There is no protocol in IRC to distinguish a bot from a human. |
| 16:58.40 | jhutchins_wk | dpkg: Are you a bot? |
| 16:58.41 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 16:59.14 | nobody | who's a dog? |
| 16:59.19 | kirk781 | On the Internet, everyone is a bot except you |
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| 16:59.49 | kirk781 | nobody, I really wanted to say "your mum" but then realized that it is a moderated group |
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| 17:02.30 | nobody | that'd have been inappropriate. I don't remember my creator being a dog. |
| 17:02.49 | nobody | although she does happen to be a bit of a <censored> from time to time. |
| 17:03.10 | kirk781 | nobody, of course, we are all derived from glorious upstream of Lord Linus |
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| 17:06.15 | DJAnonimo | apache and php failed... here is the ouput http://paste.debian.net/997844/ |
| 17:06.20 | DJAnonimo | anyone can help? |
| 17:06.22 | decci | jhutchins_wk: created cert but it didnt help |
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| 17:18.16 | nulleip | DJAnonimo: Try to `apt-get -f install` to fix broken packages installation, seams like your apache2 is damaged |
| 17:18.21 | GillesM | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.38 | jhutchins_wk | nulleip: That will fix missing dependencies, but will not repair a damanged package. Reinstall may do that. |
| 17:19.51 | zophyx | be careful not to damage your package |
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| 17:22.07 | jhutchins_wk | ,v apache2 |
| 17:22.08 | judd | Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u12; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u9; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.4.10-10+deb8u11; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u11; stretch: 2.4.25-3+deb9u3; stretch-security: 2.4.25-3+deb9u3; buster: 2.4.29-1; sid: 2.4.29-1 |
| 17:22.41 | nulleip | jhutchins_wk, DJAnonimo, try `apt-get --reinstall install apache2` to fix too |
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| 17:23.12 | jhutchins_wk | DJAnonimo: Actually, it looks like you have some configuration issues on your existing installation. |
| 17:23.44 | DJAnonimo | it failed after full update to debian 8 |
| 17:24.47 | DJAnonimo | nulleip: `apt-get --reinstall install apache2` do not work |
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| 17:25.05 | jhutchins_wk | DJAnonimo: You may notice that it's trying to go from apache 2.2 to apache 2.4. 2.4 has new configuration syntax. |
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| 17:25.20 | jhutchins_wk | !jessie release notes |
| 17:25.20 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <install guide>. |
| 17:25.50 | DJAnonimo | http://paste.debian.net/997847/ |
| 17:25.58 | DJAnonimo | this is afer apt-get -f install |
| 17:27.01 | jhutchins_wk | DJAnonimo: One issue reported in the error message that a file in mods-enabled is an actual file instead of a link to mods-available. |
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| 17:29.03 | DJAnonimo | how to recreate apache2 config files? |
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| 17:31.27 | jhutchins_wk | DJAnonimo: Read the release notes, read about the 2.2-2.5 transition, fix your configuration, and run dpkg-reconfigure apache2, then on the php mod package. |
| 17:31.39 | nulleip | DJAnonimo: what is the content of '/etc/apache2/mods-enabled/dir.conf' and '/etc/apache2/mods-available/dir.conf' ? |
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| 17:35.32 | snowrichard | i'm having an issue with the putty package. Its throwing general protection faults in libc. |
| 17:35.37 | DJAnonimo | nulleip: http://paste.debian.net/997852/ |
| 17:36.16 | DJAnonimo | nulleip: http://paste.debian.net/997854/ |
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| 17:36.25 | nulleip | DJAnonimo: ok, both are regular files and have the same content? |
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| 17:36.54 | nulleip | DJAnonimo: ok |
| 17:37.12 | nulleip | DJAnonimo: so the second is the default in mods-available right? |
| 17:37.33 | DJAnonimo | yes |
| 17:37.44 | DJAnonimo | the second one is mods-available |
| 17:39.16 | nulleip | DJAnonimo: you could try to fix moving like `mv /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/dir.conf /etc/apache2/mods-available/dir.backup.conf` and `ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/dir.backup.conf /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/dir.conf` |
| 17:39.46 | DJAnonimo | done |
| 17:39.57 | DJAnonimo | whats the next step? |
| 17:40.24 | nulleip | DJAnonimo: so you keep altered file in mods-available but link it in mods-enabled so you dont have dpkg complaining about it |
| 17:41.01 | DJAnonimo | http://paste.debian.net/997857/ |
| 17:41.22 | nulleip | DJAnonimo: run `apt-get -f install` again, see if dpkg complains about it |
| 17:41.59 | DJAnonimo | http://paste.debian.net/997859/ |
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| 17:43.37 | DJAnonimo | nulleip: still complains |
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| 17:47.49 | nulleip | DJAnonimo: ok, `rm /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/dir.conf` and `ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/dir.conf /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/dir.conf` |
| 17:49.07 | DJAnonimo | this is the output: http://paste.debian.net/997862/ |
| 17:49.09 | nulleip | DJAnonimo: apache likes custom .conf stuff under some conf.d directory .. /etc/apache2/conf.d ? |
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| 17:50.24 | nulleip | DJAnonimo: `ps aux|grep apache2` perhaps service is still up and you cant bind to port |
| 17:50.50 | DJAnonimo | root 23677 0.0 0.0 11120 720 pts/9 S+ 18:55 0:00 grep apache2 |
| 17:50.56 | DJAnonimo | this is the output |
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| 17:51.36 | nulleip | DJAnonimo: `lsof -nPi 4|grep ':80 (LISTEN)'` |
| 17:52.05 | greycat | you can specify :80 as an argument to lsof |
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| 17:52.21 | xbadc0de | help |
| 17:52.37 | DJAnonimo | http://paste.debian.net/997864/ |
| 17:52.55 | xbadc0de | > http://paste.debian.net/997864/ |
| 17:53.11 | greycat | well, clearly nginx is already running |
| 17:53.46 | greycat | nulleip: you can simply use lsof -Pni :80 |
| 17:54.00 | DJAnonimo | web, mail and ftp are down |
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| 17:55.16 | nulleip | greycat: ok, that shows more than what needs |
| 17:55.35 | DJAnonimo | nulleip: what is happening |
| 17:55.59 | DJAnonimo | now there is no errors with apt-get -f install |
| 17:56.07 | nulleip | DJAnonimo: you have a web server setup already with nginx? how is your setup? |
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| 17:56.40 | DJAnonimo | default delivered by the server |
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| 17:56.45 | MicroMars | tr |
| 17:56.49 | MicroMars | ooops |
| 17:56.50 | DJAnonimo | originally debian 7 |
| 17:56.50 | MicroMars | sorry |
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| 17:58.05 | nulleip | DJAnonimo: why do you have both nginx and apache2 installed and running? or you just want apache2 setup? |
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| 17:58.28 | DJAnonimo | apache2 setup |
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| 17:59.01 | greycat | You really don't want to have both apache2 *and* nginx installed on the same system. |
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| 17:59.05 | DJAnonimo | ftp, mail server are dependent by apache2 ? |
| 17:59.08 | nulleip | DJAnonimo: you have any configuration on nginx, or anything you might not know about or you can remove nginx? |
| 17:59.12 | DJAnonimo | because they do not work too |
| 17:59.12 | greycat | DJAnonimo: no, they are not., |
| 17:59.28 | DJAnonimo | huhh |
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| 18:00.26 | DJAnonimo | i think that http site was running on apache2 |
| 18:00.33 | DJAnonimo | not nginx |
| 18:00.42 | nulleip | DJAnonimo: try to remove nginx package, and dpkg-reconfigure apache2 |
| 18:00.42 | DJAnonimo | its plesk |
| 18:00.49 | greycat | *headdesk* |
| 18:00.57 | greycat | !plesk |
| 18:00.58 | dpkg | Parallels Plesk Panel (formerly Plesk) is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Not supported in #debian, ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. http://www.parallels.com/support/plesk/ http://forum.parallels.com/ ##plesk on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:01.39 | DJAnonimo | Package 'nginx' is not installed, so not removed |
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| 18:02.35 | DJAnonimo | dpkg-reconfigure apache2: http://paste.debian.net/997865/ |
| 18:02.39 | decci | jhutchins_wk: I am able to cmake, make and make install openwsman 2.6.x on ubuntu 16.04.3. How can I leverage that on debian |
| 18:02.47 | greycat | DJAnonimo: ##plesk |
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| 18:04.41 | nulleip | DJAnonimo: From where nginx web server are being summoned? /etc/init.d/ ? Until you solve that you wont be able to run apache2 properly I'm afraid |
| 18:05.01 | greycat | nulleip: /lastlog plesk |
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| 18:07.27 | nulleip | greycat: sorry, never used that, reading about it: https://docs.plesk.com/en-US/onyx/administrator-guide/web-servers/apache-and-nginx-web-servers-linux/apache-with-nginx.70837/ thank you. |
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| 18:08.08 | DJAnonimo | how to know from where nginx summoned ? |
| 18:09.08 | greycat | DJAnonimo: if it's not from a debian package, then it's probably from the Plesk thing you installed, or perhaps it was locally compiled and installed by your predecessor. |
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| 18:10.11 | DJAnonimo | oh... now im getting "Welcome to nginx on Debian" |
| 18:10.31 | DJAnonimo | its in conflict with apache2? |
| 18:10.45 | greycat | Only one service can listen on port 80. |
| 18:11.19 | DJAnonimo | this happened after upgrading to debian 8 |
| 18:11.31 | DJAnonimo | also mail and ftp server do not connect |
| 18:11.46 | DJAnonimo | looks like was really a bad idea to upgrade |
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| 18:12.42 | greycat | Ask ##plesk for help. |
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| 18:14.10 | nulleip | DJAnonimo: do you have a service called nginx? like `service nginx status` shows something? |
| 18:14.36 | decci | Any idea how can I build debian package out of cmake, make and make install command |
| 18:14.50 | DJAnonimo | [ ok ] nginx is running. |
| 18:15.01 | nulleip | DJAnonimo: according to plesk docs you can stop nginx service to alter to apache2 frontend... but greycat is right, you should ask that on plesk channel |
| 18:15.03 | decci | I dont want to install package but just to get .DEB package |
| 18:15.34 | nulleip | DJAnonimo: `service nginx stop && service apache2 restart` |
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| 18:16.07 | DJAnonimo | [ ok ] Restarting web server: apache2. |
| 18:16.07 | decci | https://pastebin.com/Pfcm2ZCv |
| 18:16.10 | DJAnonimo | is running |
| 18:16.42 | DJAnonimo | web browser shows |
| 18:16.42 | DJAnonimo | [TXT]index.nginx-debian.html2017-11-27 17:43867 |
| 18:16.58 | DJAnonimo | i think I will reinstall the system |
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| 18:22.43 | xbadc0de | can anyone help me to set up my sources.list for debian testing? |
| 18:22.49 | xbadc0de | I actually don't know what it must have |
| 18:23.42 | greycat | take your stable sources.list, and replace "stretch" with "testing" or with "buster" |
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| 18:23.54 | raynold | Ahh it's a wonderful day |
| 18:24.03 | teraflops | !kick raynold |
| 18:24.03 | dpkg | kicks raynold in the ass. |
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| 18:24.59 | greycat | (If you need more handholding than that, you are not ready to run testing.) |
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| 18:25.31 | annadane | xbadc0de, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#What_are_some_best_practices_for_testing.2Fsid_users.3F <-- |
| 18:25.52 | Igel | keep at it xbadc0de it's worth learning this |
| 18:26.00 | annadane | also if you use "testing" instead of "buster" be aware of surprises when bullseye releases |
| 18:26.21 | Igel | which character is bullseye |
| 18:26.39 | greycat | !bullseye |
| 18:26.40 | dpkg | The release following Debian 10 "Buster" is codenamed "Bullseye" (Woody's horse in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 11. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/07/msg00002.html |
| 18:26.48 | Igel | aah! i'd never guess it |
| 18:26.50 | decci | In Red Hat distro, I use rpmbuild -bb spec file |
| 18:27.01 | decci | What is the alt command in debian |
| 18:27.07 | decci | I have .spec file created |
| 18:27.17 | greycat | Debian doesn't use Red Hat .spec files. |
| 18:27.21 | Igel | yikes |
| 18:27.38 | greycat | !tell decci about nmg |
| 18:28.06 | annadane | er |
| 18:28.13 | annadane | well, surprises when buster releases actually |
| 18:28.18 | annadane | because then testing becomes bullseye |
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| 18:28.33 | annadane | xbadc0de, ^ |
| 18:28.55 | kirk781 | Just rename it to "testing" instead of "buster". This way, the release will be tracked all way long |
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| 18:30.02 | annadane | yes but not everyone wants surprises like that |
| 18:30.08 | teraflops | forever till the end of times... |
| 18:30.09 | annadane | it's ultimately a matter of preference |
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| 18:38.00 | Kobaz | https://packages.debian.org/experimental/kernel/linux-image-4.14.0-trunk-amd64 500 Internal Server Error |
| 18:38.01 | xbadc0de | thats odd |
| 18:38.19 | xbadc0de | I cannot run vbox because I dont have the proper headers? |
| 18:38.22 | greycat | Yes, asking about experimental in #debian is odd. |
| 18:38.33 | Kobaz | well i figured i would let you know that izza broke |
| 18:38.40 | Kobaz | debian.org fail :( |
| 18:38.45 | greycat | !experimental |
| 18:38.45 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 18:38.54 | Kobaz | right |
| 18:39.07 | Kobaz | experimental might be broken.... but i figure debian.org shouldn't be broken |
| 18:39.34 | kirk781 | yes, installing experimental might make your system as broken as a brand new installation of Windows 10 |
| 18:40.23 | annadane | Kobaz, why are you installing an experimental kernel in debian stable |
| 18:40.26 | greycat | I think he's trying to say that the web site pacakges.debian.org (NOT debian.org) has some kind of issue. |
| 18:40.51 | annadane | Kobaz, consider backporting a kernel from backports or if you really want building one yourself |
| 18:40.54 | greycat | for reporting bugs in the various web sites, see the instructions in the BTS |
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| 18:41.29 | kirk781 | anndane: people use the terms "build a kernel for yourself" here so trivially. |
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| 18:41.48 | xbadc0de | gcc 1.0 alpha ftw |
| 18:41.53 | annadane | probably. i can't really vouch whether it's a good idea or not |
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| 18:42.13 | annadane | so i probably shouldn't suggest it, in retrospect |
| 18:42.19 | Kobaz | annadane: i already have my local kernel branches i maintain for our distro... but i'm popping around seeing if there are prebuilt 'bleeding edge' kernels for some test cases i'm putting together |
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| 18:42.36 | annadane | okay, that's fair enough |
| 18:42.44 | annadane | just didn't want you to fall into the trap of mixing repositories |
| 18:42.48 | Kobaz | right |
| 18:42.55 | Kobaz | it works sometimes, and doesn't work in others |
| 18:42.59 | Kobaz | and i know the pitfalls |
| 18:43.05 | annadane | and yeah, self built kernels obviously don't get the security support |
| 18:43.27 | Kobaz | mixing repositories isn't as bad as they say it is |
| 18:43.32 | Kobaz | but it's not for the faint of heart |
| 18:43.44 | Kobaz | it can be done... sanely... for certain things |
| 18:43.53 | annadane | no, i agree. just for the casual stable user who doesn't know any better it's not recommended |
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| 18:44.00 | annadane | obviously you do |
| 18:44.03 | Kobaz | :) |
| 18:44.43 | Kobaz | the hard part, is someone pasting some random question... you have no idea about their experience level |
| 18:44.55 | Kobaz | but... the main point I was making... was debian.org.... |
| 18:45.14 | greycat | you mean pacakges.debian.org |
| 18:45.24 | greycat | or, y'know, packages.debian.org |
| 18:45.30 | Kobaz | well yes, the subdomain |
| 18:45.41 | kirk781 | Kobaz: I think assuming people as hardened Linux warriors who spend their waking time poring over man pages is a lil too much |
| 18:46.00 | Kobaz | kirk781: hahaha right... therein lies the cunundrum |
| 18:46.03 | annadane | kernels probably are the safest thing to mix repositories, theoretically |
| 18:46.13 | Kobaz | so you assume the worst, which is correct to do... that no one knows anything |
| 18:46.15 | annadane | though of course there's still backports for that |
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| 18:47.04 | Kobaz | i spend my waking time writing code... i leave the man pages for when i sleep |
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| 18:48.06 | kirk781 | kobaz: Nah, I don't assume that bad. People running Linux usually have some knowledge of computers[UBUNTU excluded since every other person I meet these days rocks ubuntu] |
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| 18:51.34 | Kobaz | "some knowledge" is quite vague, heh. but yeah... definitely |
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| 18:51.51 | kirk781 | What does the "set channel limit to X" mean? |
| 18:51.58 | Kobaz | # of users |
| 18:52.03 | Kobaz | prevents join floods |
| 18:52.08 | Kobaz | circa 1995 |
| 18:52.15 | Kobaz | that hasn't been a thing in years |
| 18:52.31 | kirk781 | Kobaz: join floods! I would be surprised if more people actually cared to come here |
| 18:52.55 | greycat | It has absolutely happened more recently than 1995. |
| 18:53.02 | Kobaz | well yeah |
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| 18:53.35 | Kobaz | irc servers have a lot of protections these days |
| 18:53.39 | kirk781 | greycat: IRC peaked in '03, I guess; so surely it could have even happened in this milleniua |
| 18:54.04 | Kobaz | yeah... the ole Peak IRC Crisis of 03 where we ran out of IRC |
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| 18:55.16 | Kobaz | kirk781: it's not a matter of people, so much as 'person'... bang out a quick script using Net::IRC or somesuch and spawn 1000 clients on different machines and join/part the channel |
| 18:55.41 | Kobaz | kirk781: overloads the receive buffer of most clients and then people start disconnecting |
| 18:55.49 | kirk781 | kobaz: are you on IRC for that long? |
| 18:56.02 | Kobaz | mmm yeah probably about that |
| 18:56.20 | Kobaz | Slackware 96 was my first distro |
| 18:56.25 | Kobaz | so yeah, 95 sounds about right |
| 18:57.12 | Kobaz | https://sites.google.com/site/guenterbartsch/blog/myfirstlinuxdistroslackware96 |
| 18:57.36 | kirk781 | Kobaz: Ah, slackware. That has lost its popularity now; just like Gentoo |
| 18:57.52 | teraflops | :P |
| 18:58.24 | Kobaz | i quickly realized the lack of actual package management made slackware unwieldy to maintain a long-installed system |
| 18:58.28 | Kobaz | and then found redhat |
| 18:58.31 | kirk781 | kobaz:Slackware 96 came on 4 CD's? That's a lot for that era |
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| 18:58.49 | Kobaz | and got pissed off when i tried to upgrade from redhat 3 to redhat 4 and they said 'reinstall' |
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| 18:59.08 | Kobaz | i stayed with it until redhat 5 and then said fsck-this... and found debian |
| 18:59.56 | jhutchins_wk | Could we perhaps return to the topic, and move the nostalgic chat to #debian-offtopic? (I'm as guilty as anyone.) |
| 19:00.01 | Kobaz | kirk781: i didn't have a cd drive or a cd burner... so i had the luxury of downloading the four cds via dialup for three weeks |
| 19:00.05 | Kobaz | fine fine |
| 19:00.11 | Kobaz | what's the topic? |
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| 19:00.20 | Kobaz | packages.debian.org internal server error? |
| 19:00.42 | mspo | I think redhat is infecting debian anyway |
| 19:00.49 | mspo | I saw a tuned package was created |
| 19:00.50 | teraflops | shrugs |
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| 19:02.52 | mspo | which seems like a reasonable one-shot tool for setting up sysctl's and stuff but then you learn about the daemon and stuff like pmqos-static.py cpu_dma_latency=1 :) |
| 19:02.59 | jhutchins_wk | mspo: Redhat does a lot of development. |
| 19:03.01 | mspo | and you know you've been redhatvated |
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| 19:03.31 | Kobaz | i set my sysctls in sysctl.conf |
| 19:03.36 | mspo | jhutchins_wk: indeed. They also seem to lack taste |
| 19:04.12 | kirk781 | kobaz: Slackware still doesn't manage third party dependencies through itself. Must be a giant pain to install/configure software in there |
| 19:04.42 | jhutchins_wk | Kobaz: The topic is Debian support. |
| 19:04.43 | Kobaz | installing is easy |
| 19:04.59 | Kobaz | maintaining what you installed... is another story |
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| 19:05.50 | Kobaz | speaking of debian |
| 19:06.25 | Kobaz | i still need to figure out the minimum number of docker-* packages to install to actually get it working |
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| 19:07.52 | kirk781 | kobaz: wouldn't 4 CDs equal like 2+ gigs? That much was required back in the 90s? |
| 19:08.33 | Kobaz | min install was boot and root.. two floppies... but if you wanted to DO anything, like X or other applications... you needed a lot more than the minimum |
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| 19:09.32 | areyouloco | anybody knows where can i ask questions backports related? |
| 19:09.39 | Kobaz | ?? ask |
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| 19:09.52 | Kobaz | !ask |
| 19:09.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:09.54 | annadane | areyouloco, here |
| 19:09.54 | areyouloco | is there backports irc channel? |
| 19:10.01 | Kobaz | you can just ask here |
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| 19:10.18 | areyouloco | so anybody have some experience with running bitcoin-qt on stretch? |
| 19:10.29 | annadane | ,v bitcoin-qt |
| 19:10.30 | judd | Package: bitcoin-qt on amd64 -- buster: 0.15.1~dfsg-1; sid: 0.15.1~dfsg-1 |
| 19:10.35 | areyouloco | i tried to build it from buster sources on my stretch but it failed |
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| 19:10.54 | annadane | areyouloco, "it failed" is vague - post your output - paste.debian.net |
| 19:10.57 | Kobaz | that sounds like it would give you issues |
| 19:11.13 | Kobaz | buster-sources on stretch... you'll want stretch sources instead |
| 19:11.25 | TacticReplicatio | Hi all o/ |
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| 19:12.20 | TacticReplicatio | What would you recommend me to do in order to analyze the trafic in/out of my vulnerable VM during pentest? |
| 19:12.29 | TacticReplicatio | I'm downloading a SELKS iso |
| 19:12.36 | TacticReplicatio | and I have some vulnerable VM to play with |
| 19:13.00 | petn-randall | TacticReplicatio: Wireshark? Depends if the traffic is encrypted or not, though. |
| 19:13.05 | TacticReplicatio | the point is to try Suricata, play with ELK, detect my attacks, etc. |
| 19:13.07 | areyouloco | Kobaz: there bitcoin-qt is only avaliable in buster and sid |
| 19:13.27 | petn-randall | TacticReplicatio: What do all involved OSes run, though? |
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| 19:13.52 | TacticReplicatio | petn-randall, pretty much no idea |
| 19:14.13 | TacticReplicatio | vulnrable vm are often debian |
| 19:14.16 | TacticReplicatio | sometimes bsd |
| 19:14.41 | Kobaz | areyouloco: right... but grab the bitoin-qt source and build it with your native stretch deps and see what you get |
| 19:14.58 | areyouloco | Kobaz: this is exacly what i did |
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| 19:16.11 | kirk781 | Did Debian, at some time in the past, use upstart as the default instead of systemd |
| 19:16.14 | Kobaz | areyouloco: you might want to start doing uploads of your issue, your console log, and what you were tying to do |
| 19:16.16 | areyouloco | i did # apt-get build-dep bitcoin-wqt -> apt-src install bitcoin-qt (the only deb-src line I have is the one from buster) -> apt-src build bitcoin-qt |
| 19:16.28 | areyouloco | ok i will try building again |
| 19:16.37 | areyouloco | but it takes time |
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| 19:24.03 | areyouloco | I started build will post result in a while |
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| 19:25.22 | archangle | hi from germany |
| 19:26.20 | annadane | archangle, hi |
| 19:27.02 | archangle | ich mach gerade den lpic1 und suche leute die sich auch für linux interessieren |
| 19:27.19 | annadane | !de |
| 19:27.20 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 19:28.40 | petn-randall | archangle: While some people do speak German in here, it's consensus to either speak English, or join the German channel above. :) |
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| 19:43.37 | awal1 | for unarchive a bug just "reopen bugnumber"? |
| 19:44.00 | awal1 | unarchive a closed (solved) bug |
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| 19:57.51 | kion | Does anybody know why was te package Celestia dropped on Stretch? |
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| 19:58.57 | petn-randall | ,why is celestia not in testing |
| 19:58.58 | judd | No package named 'is' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 19:59.02 | petn-randall | !why is celestia not in testing |
| 19:59.02 | dpkg | celestia is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=celestia |
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| 20:00.17 | petn-randall | kion: Clicking arounda bit, it's apparently because of dead upstream: https://packages.qa.debian.org/c/celestia/news/20160130T073005Z.html |
| 20:01.52 | areyouloco | Kobaz: https://asciinema.org/a/N2GtOeg8j8ZRiTKBrnVoPTWVH this is the output of my build. I tried to build bitcoin-qt from buster sources on stretch. anybody else would like to take a look and help me build that? |
| 20:02.21 | kion | petn-randall, "Dead upstream" What does that mean? |
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| 20:02.59 | greycat | Probably means abandoned, not that the author literally died. |
| 20:03.05 | greycat | Though I didn't check to see. |
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| 20:05.10 | petn-randall | kion: It means that they stopped developing it, and didn't respond to bug reports or requests from the maintainer over a long time. |
| 20:05.15 | awal1 | hm "unarchive bugnumber" then "reopen" :P |
| 20:06.05 | kion | petn-randall, That really sucks! it was a great package for those that like astronomy.... |
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| 20:10.36 | kion | petn-randall, I just found this issue on github for celestia concearning stretch: https://github.com/CelestiaProject/Celestia/issues/16 |
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| 20:17.18 | alecov | I've got a jessie; is it safe to 'apt update && apt upgrade'? I don't want it to upgrade to stretch right away. |
| 20:17.35 | greycat | yes, jessie is still fully supported |
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| 20:18.38 | alecov | Just to confirm: if OTOH I run 'apt dist-upgrade', I'm telling APT to upgrade the entire system to stretch, is that correct? |
| 20:19.00 | greycat | only if you modify sources.list to point to stretch first |
| 20:19.21 | greycat | as long as your sources.list says "jessie" you will stay on jessie |
| 20:19.54 | alecov | greycat: Got it. Thanks much. |
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| 20:27.49 | slickname | what is the CL to find the available wifi networks |
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| 20:43.30 | giirt | Hello, is it possible to store a password in /etc/passwd ? |
| 20:43.59 | somiaj | giirt: what do you mean by 'store a password'? And by default passwords are hashes in /etc/shadow |
| 20:44.27 | greycat | run the passwd command to (re)set your password |
| 20:44.50 | somiaj | if you don't want to use /etc/shadow, I think this can still be configured, but I don't think the installer asks this question anymore |
| 20:44.58 | giirt | somiaj: I know that, but in older systems. Passwords were stored in /etc/passwd right? I just want to know if I can do it "the old way". |
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| 20:45.19 | petn-randall | giirt: Tell us about your problem, and we might give you an answer to *that*. |
| 20:45.31 | greycat | giirt: ohhh. Turning off shadow for this account. You would have to modify field 2 in /etc/passwd by hand, then run passwd. I think. |
| 20:45.34 | somiaj | giirt: you mean acient way, /etc/shadow has been around and suggested since 2000ish, though yes I belive it is still possible to put the pasword hashes in a file that everyone can read, though it is not suggested. |
| 20:45.36 | fryguy | is it possible to remove and add packages in a single operation? i'm trying to do a zfs upgrade (from ZoL to what is in stretch contrib), and some packages depend on older things |
| 20:45.49 | greycat | giirt: Why? |
| 20:46.22 | giirt | petn-randall: There's no problem. Just curiosity. |
| 20:46.30 | somiaj | fryguy: yes, I think you can use things like dpkg --set-selections or aptitude to flag things to do installs/removes as a single step. |
| 20:46.45 | giirt | somiaj: I'll try that! |
| 20:46.47 | Kobaz | areyouloco: i've never seen someone post a video... pastebin would be been easier... just paste in the console log |
| 20:47.08 | Kobaz | areyouloco: it looks like one of the internal unit tests is failing... that's a bitcoin-qt issue. not debian |
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| 20:47.11 | greycat | giirt: passwd(5) says if the second field is not 'x' then it's treated as the password hash |
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| 20:48.00 | giirt | greycat: Aah, thank you for that. Worked great! |
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| 20:48.31 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch04.en.html -- though trying to see if there is a way to disable using /etc/shadow by default with thigns like adduser, etc |
| 20:49.03 | somiaj | The installer use to ask if you wanted to use shadow passwords, but this was ages ago, as I don't think there is any compelling reason to not put the password hash in a file not readable by the world. |
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| 20:49.59 | greycat | The only justifiable reason is if you wanted to source an NIS database out of your /etc/passwd. |
| 20:50.47 | Kobaz | oh... speaking of /etc/shadow and friends |
| 20:51.06 | Kobaz | is there any way to keep /etc/passwd /etc/group /etc/shadow in another path and have adduser/chuser/andfriends be happy? |
| 20:51.21 | Kobaz | ie symlink /etc/passwd -> /path-to-git-repo/etc/passwd |
| 20:51.25 | greycat | for some reason I still don't comprehend, people have turned their backs on NIS in favor of LDAP... I think it has something to do with Microsoft. |
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| 20:51.29 | Kobaz | this breaks basically every user/group tool |
| 20:51.43 | greycat | !etckeeper |
| 20:51.43 | dpkg | etckeeper is a collection of tools to let /etc be stored in a git, mercurial, bazaar or darcs repository. This lets you use git to review or revert changes that were made to /etc. Or even push the repository elsewhere for backups or cherry-picking configuration changes. https://etckeeper.branchable.com |
| 20:51.50 | Kobaz | oh haha |
| 20:51.52 | Kobaz | that's amazing |
| 20:51.53 | Kobaz | thanks |
| 20:52.08 | tomodachi | when running dnf upgrade i get this: cannot install the best update candidate for package docker-2:1.13.1-26.gitb5e3294.fc27.x86_64 |
| 20:52.16 | tomodachi | any idea what action I should take? |
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| 20:52.34 | tomodachi | oh sorry wrong chan |
| 20:52.38 | tomodachi | :P |
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| 20:54.59 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Yeah, AD integration is driving NIS deprecation even more than LDAP. NIS has some security holes and other shortcomings that AD has already fixed. |
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| 20:55.27 | zebu | hi ! I want to change my 2TB disks file system from previous NTFS. They are disks containing datas only, no OSes. But Im' not sure. ReiserFS ? XFS ? EXT ? |
| 20:55.54 | zebu | *I don't use Windows at all at home. |
| 20:56.07 | zebu | *I mean, anymore. |
| 20:56.29 | mspo | XFS is good |
| 20:56.40 | mspo | ext4 is better than it used to be |
| 20:56.52 | jhutchins_wk | tomodachi: dnf on Debian? |
| 20:56.52 | mspo | probably wouldn't use reiser |
| 20:56.57 | somiaj | zebu: I suggest using ext?, unless you have very specific requirements in wich you know another file system will do better. |
| 20:57.06 | somiaj | (assuming you are using this on debian) |
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| 20:57.07 | jhutchins_wk | tomodachi: Ah, that's a relief. |
| 20:57.47 | somiaj | mspo: I think you mean ext4 has lots of improvements over ext3. |
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| 20:58.12 | jhutchins_wk | zebu: AFIK there is no way to change the filesystem and preserve the data. |
| 20:58.13 | Kobaz | btrfs is definitely the wave of the future |
| 20:58.15 | petn-randall | zebu: I'd go with ext4, and tweak the inode ratio if you know it's going to be many small files or large files. |
| 20:58.16 | Kobaz | btrfs/zfs |
| 20:58.23 | `Kevin | zebu: I agree with somiaj (xfs, zfs and such others are really good in specific scenarios or features but unless you have a specific usecase for a filesystem just stick with ext*) |
| 20:58.23 | somiaj | I did some benchmark and in most cases ext4 seems comparable to the other filesystems. Some file systems shine in certain circumstances, though my advice is more about features and if you need features |
| 20:58.33 | somiaj | like snapshot, then use a filesystem that needs it |
| 20:58.46 | mspo | somiaj: no I mean it sucks less than it did five years ago |
| 20:59.07 | somiaj | Kobaz: some people prefer very old/well tested file systems, so brtfs still has a ways to go, but I do think the plan is it will becomre the more standard default in linux, but still needs years of testing. |
| 20:59.11 | mspo | somiaj: earlier ext4 was *really really* slow with small file ops |
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| 20:59.38 | zebu | all: [:P] thx for answers. Is it easy to recover an accidentaly deleted file/directory with ext4 ? |
| 21:00.08 | greycat | no |
| 21:00.09 | petn-randall | zebu: Not really, but same goes for any other filesystem. Gone is gone. |
| 21:00.15 | somiaj | zebu: make backups, (:. There are tools that can recover unallocated data, but it isn't 'really easy' |
| 21:00.36 | somiaj | but backups are a far better way to recover data than trying to scan unused space for unallocated files. |
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| 21:02.16 | zebu | somiaj: ok. So, the best way is to make backups first (or a disk mirror). Then a 'simple' ext2 could be enough for data storing ? |
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| 21:03.20 | mspo | maybe start with lvm so you can do snapshots |
| 21:03.25 | mspo | it really depends |
| 21:03.36 | mspo | and also mirrors and stuff |
| 21:03.52 | `Kevin | zebu: if this deletion thing is going to be a common issue this is where a featured of another filesystem might come into play utilizing snapshots but if you really have to learns the pros and cons there and tuning etc |
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| 21:04.58 | `Kevin | but you* |
| 21:05.11 | n4dir | I can't say that i make much experiences with the used filesystem, besides when creating it or when i can't access it from another operating system |
| 21:05.51 | n4dir | iirc that might be a problem for ext4 (when using one of the BSD's or a Mac or such) |
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| 21:06.59 | `Kevin | zebu: if you go with ext then go with ext3 or 4, 2 doesn't have FS journaling |
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| 21:08.40 | zebu | `Kevin: ok. in what have journaling is helpfull ? I always used ext3 or 4 for /, and ext2 for /home. |
| 21:08.45 | zebu | *having |
| 21:09.06 | greycat | Speeds up the partial fsck that you have to endure if the system crashes. |
| 21:09.47 | greycat | I cannot imagine why you would use ext2 on /home. |
| 21:10.07 | greycat | there's more churn in /home than practically ANYWHERE else, if you run one of the mainstream web browsers |
| 21:10.26 | n4dir | though i seem to recall that the change from ext3 to ext4 also gave quite a speedup of filesystem checks. |
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| 21:11.25 | somiaj | yea a lot of ext is slow I think comes from ext3 days, ext4 is comparable in many cases to other file systems (but not nitch cases) |
| 21:11.52 | zebu | greycat: so, using ext2 for /home isn't a good way. I think this explain why I often have to fsck /home manually on crashes ? |
| 21:12.06 | greycat | Yeah, it's a really bad choice. |
| 21:12.11 | somiaj | saw a bench mark comparing them all about 5 years ago, and ext4 is comparable and a good amount faster than ext3. personally I wouldn't use ext3, either ext2 or 4 (where the difference being journalling or not) |
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| 21:12.29 | greycat | You could possibly justify ext2 on /tmp if /tmp is a separate file system and not tmpfs/ramfs. |
| 21:12.34 | zebu | greycat: gasp :S. |
| 21:12.56 | greycat | If /tmp gets corrupted, you don't care. You just nuke it. |
| 21:14.00 | zebu | yes. I use only 2 separated partitions '/' and '/home' |
| 21:14.17 | n4dir | thats already one more than i use. |
| 21:14.32 | greycat | zebu: make 'em both ext4 |
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| 21:14.57 | zebu | greycat: ok. Now I know better. I will do. |
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| 21:17.20 | zebu | greycat: So, ext4 could be a good fs for these NTSFS data disks too ? |
| 21:17.29 | zebu | *NTFS |
| 21:17.53 | greycat | Certainly. It's the default for a reason. |
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| 21:19.29 | n4dir | I still think that some operating systems have problems with ext4. |
| 21:20.13 | greycat | Did you intend to mount the ext4 (or whatever) disks on any non-Linux OSes? |
| 21:20.34 | jhutchins_wk | zebu: NTFS works. |
| 21:21.13 | zebu | greycat: No, not anymore. And these datas disks stay at home, where I only use Debian (desktop+laptop). |
| 21:21.15 | jhutchins_wk | zebu: ext3/4 have journaling, which means you have a much better chance to not loose data if you have a power failure than with ext2. |
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| 21:21.46 | P4 | hi |
| 21:22.03 | zebu | jhutchins_wk: yep. tha'ts what I understood above, when I mentionned having to fsck manually on crashes with ext2 |
| 21:22.31 | P4 | how can I reload kernel in stretch/sid running 4.4.0-93 + systemd so I don't need to be onsite to provide LUKS secret during a boot time? 4.4.0-101 is installed with dpkg |
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| 21:22.40 | n4dir | my point was rather: and are you really sure you don't plan to use them in the future (now that i think of it: debian Gnu/kFreeBSD might have given me problems accessing a ext4-USB stick too) |
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| 21:23.31 | n4dir | you probably are sure, just saying. |
| 21:24.03 | greycat | wtf is "stretch/sid running 4.4.0" |
| 21:24.38 | P4 | that's what my /etc/debian_version reports |
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| 21:24.49 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: System installed from testing when testing was stretch. |
| 21:25.00 | P4 | lsb_release -a reports Ubuntu Xenial 16.04 LOL! |
| 21:25.06 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 21:25.11 | P4 | but isns't it the same in this case? |
| 21:25.23 | ivan | it sounds like you have ubuntu |
| 21:25.44 | P4 | so the debian_version file is inconsistent with the other parts of the OS, eh |
| 21:25.46 | zebu | well. thank you all for all these infos. I have big stuffs to do with disks, now. bye ! good night ;) |
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| 21:26.06 | jhutchins_wk | P4: What does uname -a say? |
| 21:26.17 | P4 | but i believe the kernel issue is just the same as in Debian because of this bloody systemd the suckfull stuff :P |
| 21:26.37 | P4 | Linux hostname 4.4.0-93-generic #116-Ubuntu SMP Fri Aug 11 21:17:51 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 21:26.51 | P4 | dokg lists ii linux-image-4.4.0-101-generic 4.4.0-101.124 |
| 21:26.57 | jhutchins_wk | P4: Not debian. |
| 21:27.07 | P4 | but dpkg ^^ |
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| 21:27.24 | n4dir | in case it is needed: i offer another "sigh" |
| 21:27.36 | jhutchins_wk | P4: Possibly they fake the debian_version file to indicate and equivalent (but still different) release. |
| 21:27.52 | P4 | :* I'm just a debian fanboy coming here by /etc/defaults :D |
| 21:28.14 | ivan | if you like debian you should run debian :-) |
| 21:28.33 | P4 | no idea why I chose this release to be our satellite backup host :/ |
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| 21:28.43 | jhutchins_wk | P4: You need to find out how to set up LUKS to not require a password IN UBUNTU, not Debian, because they could be different. |
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| 21:30.41 | P4 | but this system runs away of home and stores crucial data so I want LUKS to ask for a secret anytime somebody tries to bootup. and in this case I just want to reload the kernel which I'm sure is the same in stretch as in xenial. but will ask on the ubuntu channel |
| 21:31.06 | P4 | the same process I ment |
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| 21:33.30 | sn0wmonster | what package is netstat a part of? |
| 21:33.39 | greycat | net-tools |
| 21:33.42 | sn0wmonster | ty |
| 21:33.58 | P4 | aren't there two of them? |
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| 21:35.10 | giirt | I currently read a text saying the following about "su" vs "su --login": A non-login shell essentially just changes the UID, but doesn't fully log the user in. |
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| 21:35.41 | giirt | I don't seem to see a difference between the two variations of su. DO you guys know any example? |
| 21:35.59 | greycat | A nonlogin shell does not read /etc/profile or the user's ~/.profile (or other dot files). |
| 21:36.03 | P4 | giirt: you may have issues with temp files created by programs you use in your user homedir with other user ownership |
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| 21:36.52 | P4 | dzieci neostrady FTW! <3 |
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| 21:37.45 | giirt | greycat: Aha, that makes sence. thank you. |
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| 21:39.44 | P4 | how can I reload kernel in Ubuntu/Xenial 16.04 4.4.0-93 + systemd so I don't need to be onsite to provide LUKS secret during a boot time? 4.4.0-101 is installed with dpkg |
| 21:39.47 | P4 | oh sorry |
| 21:40.00 | P4 | forgot to prefix with /msg #ubuntu :P |
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| 21:48.09 | kaizoku | I have a dpkg-statoverride which works fine when using sysvinit, but is seemingly ignored with systemd |
| 21:48.36 | kaizoku | Is this somehow incompatible, or perhaps it's the systemd init script changing perms? |
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| 21:53.48 | jhutchins_wk | kaizoku: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 21:54.13 | jhutchins_wk | P4: Possibly /j #ubuntu |
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| 21:55.05 | P4 | they play idlerpg there probably :P but I'm already discussing that on #systemd resulting with https://github.com/dracut-crypt-ssh/dracut-crypt-ssh/pull/17 :D |
| 21:59.07 | kaizoku | jhutchins_wk, a while ago I ran `sudo dpkg-statoverride --add kaizoku audio 755 /run/mpd`, since I am running mpd as my user |
| 21:59.36 | kaizoku | It works fine if I run with sysvinit, but lately i've been trying systemd, and it doesn't work when that's my init |
| 22:00.26 | kaizoku | with systemd /run/mpd is the default user & group mpd:audio |
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| 22:06.48 | awal1 | Any info about why numix-gtk-theme (blue variant) is not in debian? |
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| 22:09.45 | annadane | it should be? |
| 22:09.57 | LtL | awal1: it is, apt-cache search numix-gtk-theme |
| 22:10.06 | annadane | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/numix-gtk-theme |
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| 22:12.48 | awal1 | LtL, that doesn't help |
| 22:13.20 | awal1 | sid version here. but I was wondering why only the standard version is packaged :P |
| 22:13.56 | annadane | well, what package name is the blue variant |
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| 22:17.01 | awal1 | numix-blue-gtk-theme they call it (googling) |
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| 22:17.21 | awal1 | available on ubuntu repos |
| 22:17.49 | annadane | probably it's as simple as no one has bothered to upload it |
| 22:17.59 | annadane | you can ask the maintainers of numix-gtk-theme |
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| 22:19.57 | awal1 | i may rport a wishlist bug |
| 22:20.32 | awal1 | it is a very polished theme (similar to the windows 10 one, but much better :P) |
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| 22:43.17 | foul_owl | How do I preseed wifi ssid and psk? What are the option names? |
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| 23:11.48 | ZSky | echo "PatternA: texthere" |grep -E "PatternA: (.*)" |
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| 23:11.58 | ZSky | how to get just "texthere" as output? |
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| 23:12.01 | ZSky | ^ this doesn't work |
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| 23:29.43 | somiaj | ZSky: does PatternA contain spaces? echo "PatternA: texthere" | awk '{print $2;}' |
| 23:30.03 | somiaj | ZSky: but awk seperates at spaces by default, you can be more detailed with awk if needed. |
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| 23:33.01 | ZSky | thanks somiaj! |
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| 23:49.45 | CarlFK | debian sid "Pinned to a lower priority," apt-cache policy voctomix ... Candidate: 0.5.1-1 1.0~RC1+git4-1 2 2 http://deb.debian.org/debian sid/main amd64 Packages |
| 23:49.57 | CarlFK | how do I install 1.0~RC1+git4-1 ? |
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| 23:51.05 | CarlFK | never mind ....apt install voctomix=1.0~RC1+git4-1 |
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| 23:53.32 | annadane | CarlFK, for future reference sid/testing questions should go to #debian-next on OFTC |
| 23:53.35 | annadane | (irc.oftc.net) |
| 23:53.49 | CarlFK | annadane: oh neat - thanks. |
| 23:54.43 | Unit193 | (= for the specific version, but voctomix/sid for the release.) |
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