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| 00:04.32 | Tom-_ | what's cool about Debian? that's a mighty question :) |
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| 00:09.03 | munyah | How do I change the applications menu in MATE on Debian 9? I've installed alacarte but trying to add a new menu just does nothing at all, and trying to deselect an item doesn't even save changes across restart of alacarte much less effect the applications menu in gnome. |
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| 00:11.32 | jnes | I need to set up my wifi driver to do a netinstall...... This is such a mess! It's a macbook pro with a bcm4331 wifi chip.. dmesg says "failed to load b43/ht0initvals29.fw (-2)" |
| 00:12.03 | munyah | nm, the answer is to install mozo apparently alacarte doesn't work on MATE Desktop |
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| 00:13.27 | carl_ | Hi everyone I can't update anymore my Stretch and I have no idea why, when I do apt-get update on the terminal I get this message: https://paste.debian.net/995795/ can you help me to understand what is wrong? |
| 00:14.11 | centrx | carl_: What does your sources.list look like? |
| 00:14.21 | centrx | carl_: I would point the domain at httpredir.debian.org |
| 00:16.23 | Rotonen | centrx: rather https://deb.debian.org/ |
| 00:17.20 | centrx | Rotonen: Is that new or something? |
| 00:17.39 | carl_ | I was on the main server then changed to european servers but nothing change, the sources lists seems to be empty.. https://paste.debian.net/995797/ |
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| 00:17.54 | Rotonen | popped up about a year ago or so? before stretch was released |
| 00:18.15 | centrx | yeah looks like httpredir.debian.org points there now |
| 00:18.23 | centrx | carl_: cat /etc/apt/sources.list to see the sources.list |
| 00:18.39 | Rotonen | those are not very well announced, i'm still unsure as to where that'd been announced, but then again i'm not following any committees very closely |
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| 00:19.42 | carl_ | etc/apt/sources.list is empty, I have tried witd gedit ... and nano ... |
| 00:19.55 | Rotonen | so far i've always spotted those kinds of developments when https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ has updated to accommodate them |
| 00:20.05 | centrx | !sources.list |
| 00:20.06 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 00:20.21 | centrx | carl_: ^ put those in there |
| 00:20.44 | centrx | carl_: I am surprised that apt-get update gives that message if sources.list is empty though, seems like it wouldn't try a URL at all |
| 00:21.21 | carl_ | can you give me a page where to load them? |
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| 00:22.58 | carl_ | is it ok this? https://paste.debian.net/995799/ |
| 00:24.10 | jnes | w |
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| 00:25.21 | centrx | carl_: Looks good |
| 00:25.38 | centrx | carl_: You can comment out the deb-src lines though, most people don't need those |
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| 00:26.45 | carl_ | ok, hey now they appeared again, please check it https://paste.debian.net/995801/ |
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| 00:27.11 | freq | when will firefox 57 come over? |
| 00:27.21 | centrx | carl_: sounds like whatever tool you're using is rewriting the sources.list |
| 00:27.33 | centrx | carl_: That sources.list should work though |
| 00:28.27 | centrx | freq: Debian uses the ESR releases of Firefox to ensure continued security support |
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| 00:29.29 | centrx | freq: The non-ESR versions are in unstable/sid, which you could potentially use if you use unstable or testing |
| 00:30.20 | freq | yeah i have sid as an option |
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| 00:30.51 | freq | it's in the sources.list |
| 00:31.14 | centrx | freq: ok, but don't mix stable with unstable, that will effectively upgrade your entire system to unstable |
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| 00:31.28 | centrx | freq: doesn't work to have sid as an "option" generally |
| 00:31.31 | freq | yeah i don't do full upgrades |
| 00:31.48 | freq | just update and upgrade |
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| 00:32.12 | centrx | I mean as more libraries get new versions in sid, you'll find that a new version of libc6, apt, and everything else will be pulled in when you install a single package from sid |
| 00:32.15 | carl_ | no upgrade, strange |
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| 00:32.31 | freq | yeah, that's what i wanted to happen :) |
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| 00:35.56 | centrx | freq: ok yeah, I assume sid will get v57 sometime, since it has v56 and had others in the past |
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| 00:39.13 | Rotonen | https://mozilla.debian.net/ <- mozilla runs their own repo for this use-case |
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| 00:40.15 | Rotonen | (or i'm pretty certain the people who run that are mozilla, but could be just very eager volunteers too) |
| 00:41.10 | freq | thank you |
| 00:41.11 | freq | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firefox&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
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| 00:41.41 | Unit193 | Rotonen: I'd expect if 'mozilla' ran it, then it'd be debian.mozilla.org or somesuch, not mozilla.debian.net |
| 00:44.14 | carl_ | centrx, I have not resolved the problem but thanks anyway |
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| 00:45.00 | Rotonen | Unit193: mike hommey does work at mozilla, though :P |
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| 00:45.24 | Unit193 | He's the Debian maintainer of the package though, sooo.. |
| 00:45.36 | centrx | carl_: One option is to change to a different server, maybe the one it's connecting to is missing those files for some reason? (deb.debian.org is a round-robin redirector) |
| 00:45.56 | centrx | carl_: Or maybe there is a problem with the Internet connection or DNS resolution on that machine? |
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| 00:47.03 | Rotonen | Unit193: i meant to imply it is often so that a company which does something open sourced actually donates the time to distros and whatnot for packaging (and thus my suspicion it is actually mozilla running the repo, but as caveated, might as well be just plain wrong) |
| 00:48.48 | carl_ | centrx, I have not changed the dns here and I have not problem to surf the web or update the repository, I have tryed with other european servers but nothing |
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| 00:49.28 | amflir | how can I understand trace-cmd output? is there any documentation? for example: https://paste.debian.net/995807/ |
| 00:49.45 | Rotonen | Unit193: also it's under the wider umbrella of .net, not under the guaranteedly-debian-proper .org |
| 00:50.08 | Unit193 | Rotonen: That I did notice, under the community umbrella. |
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| 00:50.30 | Rotonen | like http.debian.net was a thing before becoming httpredir.debian.org before becoming deb.debian.org |
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| 00:53.10 | Rotonen | also i'm just way out of date on mozilla.debian.net - seems like it just resolves which debian repo contains what these days instead of also being a deb repo - so the discussion i'm having does not even exist anymore to begin with :-) |
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| 00:55.27 | carutsu | I'm trying to install etcd but if I do apt-get update; apt-get install -y etcd |
| 00:55.29 | carutsu | doesn't wokr |
| 00:55.44 | carutsu | neither apt-get install etcd-client nor etcd-server |
| 00:55.47 | carutsu | this is debian 9 |
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| 00:56.13 | carutsu | is it in a repository I need to enable? I'm confused by the package list |
| 00:59.46 | annadane | ,v etcd |
| 00:59.47 | judd | Package: etcd on amd64 -- sid: 3.2.9+dfsg-2 |
| 00:59.53 | annadane | carutsu, not in stretch |
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| 01:00.17 | annadane | carutsu, https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Some_safer_ways_to_install_software_not_available_in_Debian_Stable |
| 01:00.35 | annadane | alternatively |
| 01:00.36 | annadane | !ssb |
| 01:00.37 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 01:08.04 | carutsu | !deb-src sid |
| 01:08.04 | dpkg | You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free". Remember to "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list. |
| 01:08.22 | carutsu | !bdo |
| 01:08.22 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 01:08.48 | abrotman | carutsu: you can msg the bot |
| 01:08.55 | abrotman | dpkg: tell carutsu about msg the bot |
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| 01:09.03 | carutsu | abrotman: sorry, thanks |
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| 01:13.59 | david_ | I'm trying to install a program for editing Quake levels called Trenchbroom using the supplied .deb package. When I try to install it says I don't have libpng12-0 installed. I can't figure out a way to install it and libpng seems to be at version 16 now and it is installed. |
| 01:15.02 | Usual | Hi, is anyone here successfully running bumblebee with the nvidia Optimus on a dell xps 15? I cannot make this work and Iâve hit a point where Iâm not sure what to try next |
| 01:15.23 | Rotonen | david_: follow up with an apt-get install -f |
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| 01:31.03 | david_ | Roten: That says it uninstalled Trenchbroom. Is that what it was supposed to do? |
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| 01:37.28 | Rotonen | david_: if it could not satisfy the dependencies the package listed, yes |
| 01:38.19 | Rotonen | david_: if it could satisfy the dependencies the package lists, it would install the deps and finish the package configure steps - it probably tells you in the output what happened and for what reason |
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| 01:44.45 | nezZario | are .deb's signed, or are the files generated by dpkg-scanpackages signed? |
| 01:45.08 | nezZario | like every time i add a new third party repo, i usually have to add a GPG key. is that for the files that list the packages or the packages themselves? |
| 01:45.18 | nezZario | i'm looking into basically making a very soft fork of debian |
| 01:45.38 | Unit193 | That'd be for the package lists. |
| 01:45.39 | Ilyas | what's the most painless way to install guest additions to a Debian 9 virtualbox guest ? |
| 01:46.11 | Unit193 | Specifically, inline in InRelease, or detached in the old style Release.gpg |
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| 01:46.22 | nezZario | that would just contain some normal debian stable, overlaid with some custom packages, overlaid with some third party repos, in one big apt source I can add to a small fleet of servers and keep everything in sync without having to worry about pinning and all that mess |
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| 01:47.22 | Unit193 | From what I understand, 'aptly' can handle package imports. |
| 01:47.52 | nezZario | never heard of it, i'll check it out. i was going to just write basically a custom proxy |
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| 01:48.47 | optimus\prime | The l0de Radio Hour is LIVE ! Call in now /join #LRH on irc.efnet.org !!! JOIN ! NOW ! |
| 01:48.50 | nezZario | we are running about 30 instances/nodes and some of them are extremely dynamic |
| 01:48.51 | Unit193 | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Setup I have a simple apt "overlay" style repo myself. |
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| 01:49.48 | nezZario | Unit193: what software are you using? |
| 01:50.10 | nezZario | aptly looks pretty darn awesome |
| 01:50.14 | nezZario | even supports S3 |
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| 01:50.28 | Unit193 | nezZario: I don't need much, so mini-dinstall (gee, does it show? https://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mini-dinstall/news/20170906T061935Z.html) |
| 01:52.07 | nezZario | so using this mini-dinstall you are overlaying several different repos into one local repo? |
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| 01:52.32 | Unit193 | No, I build a package, sign, dput and it does the rest. |
| 01:53.18 | Ilyas | also, it it by design that sudo is not installed with Stretch? |
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| 01:53.39 | Ilyas | I installed a VM using the netinst cd |
| 01:54.03 | nezZario | Ilyas: i'm pretty sure it just depends on what "base" you use. using the bare minimum base, that's what you get. a bare minimum base. pretty sure the bare minimum doesn't even include 'less' |
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| 01:54.48 | nezZario | there are a lot of really common packages that the bare minimum install doesn't come with, but that's a good thing / the point of a bare minimum install. you only install what you absolutely need. |
| 01:55.04 | nezZario | i have a long list of very common packages I use on all my installs if you want the list I'll PM it to you |
| 01:55.09 | Ilyas | oh |
| 01:55.22 | Ilyas | I had no idea I was installing the bare minimum |
| 01:55.35 | Ilyas | I guess I'll stumble upon things as I go then ._. |
| 01:55.55 | Ilyas | I thought getting a CD as an installer would net me more by default |
| 01:56.30 | nezZario | pretty sure during the installation you are given the option to install a bunch of 'sets' which are just meta packages that point to a large list of common types of setups (like, graphical kde, graphical gnome, etc) |
| 01:56.45 | nezZario | large list of packages that coincide with common setups* |
| 01:57.53 | Ilyas | yeah, i chose gnome, base stuff, ssh server and one more I think |
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| 01:58.42 | nezZario | if you don't mind i'll PM you some gists that might help you |
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| 02:06.10 | meier88 | http://www.desertofthereal.org |
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| 02:06.39 | meier88 | http://www.desertofthereal.org |
| 02:07.16 | annadane | meier88, not an advertising channel. stop it. |
| 02:07.18 | nezZario | anyway, Unit193, I hate to sound daft but are you compiling *all* the packages yourself or do you mean you're just compiling the packages you need from source ? |
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| 02:07.53 | nezZario | just honestly curious because I tried to do this a few months ago and ran into the issue it seemed like nobody else done what i'm talking about / what you're claiming you did |
| 02:08.23 | meier88 | http://www.desertofthereal.org |
| 02:08.58 | nezZario | sorry i don't mean to sound like i don't believe you... haha... but i'm just a bit excited because like i said i've been wanting to do this for months and nearly wrote a 100% custom script a few months ago to accomplish it but ended up having to drop it |
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| 02:12.58 | nezZario | Unit193: one last question for you. are you using aptly at all? or just mini-dinstall? ... mini-dinstall definitely looks like it would be easier to use along with dput. i'm not 100% familiar with either being i've only been reading since you gave me a link 22 minutes ago. but just curious about above + aptly and irregardless if you see this thank you *so* much |
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| 02:29.32 | vktr01330 | hi. i'm installing debian and i have a little problem setting up an encrypted swap. the manual isn't very clear to me. someone can quickly give me a hand? |
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| 02:37.21 | Ilyas | shutting down a Debian 9 vm takes forever, waiting for a job. is that by design? |
| 02:37.30 | nezZario | no, what's the job? |
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| 02:37.38 | nezZario | it should be pretty darn quick |
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| 02:37.55 | nezZario | only thing i've ever noticed some time to take to shutdown was squid |
| 02:37.59 | Ilyas | it's not. carp, the message vanished from my screen |
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| 02:38.15 | Ilyas | I'll back to this tomorrow with the message itself |
| 02:38.27 | pingfloyd | check the logs? |
| 02:38.40 | Ilyas | it seems like my fiddling with the vbox guest additions causes the VM to not load properly now |
| 02:38.48 | Ilyas | >_< |
| 02:39.04 | pingfloyd | do you have the right version of additions installed? |
| 02:39.15 | pingfloyd | should match your vbox version |
| 02:39.36 | Ilyas | I tried the the ISO that came with my vbox install(5.2) |
| 02:39.37 | pingfloyd | same thing goes for the extensions pack |
| 02:39.48 | pingfloyd | iso? |
| 02:39.55 | Ilyas | which I inserted into the guess, which then fails on the autorun |
| 02:39.59 | Ilyas | yes? |
| 02:40.11 | Ilyas | I can insert a guest additions cd into the guest(debian) |
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| 02:40.34 | Ilyas | is that not how to install the guest addiitions? |
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| 02:41.54 | Ilyas | I'll get back on this tomorrow, thanks thus far |
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| 02:58.15 | Unit193 | nezZario: As I said, overlay repo so only the changed/added parts, it's a small repo. I have never used aptly, friend of mine does thus has mentioned several things about it. Biggest downside to mini-dinstall is that it only does flat repositories, not the "newer" style (don't know the name.) |
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| 03:05.24 | LambdaComplex | I just got this message while trying to install nginx-extras http://sprunge.us/JSLD |
| 03:05.28 | LambdaComplex | How worried should I be? |
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| 03:50.25 | MrRick | how do I change the video driver used? Debian does not appear to be using the intel 810 video drivers and the default 648x480 is awfull |
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| 03:52.04 | Megaf | MrRick: do you know whats the correct driver name and if you have it installed? |
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| 03:53.52 | MrRick | Megaf: I want to boot up and load the intel i810 video module. Instead it appears I've defaulted to a Vesta/VGA mode |
| 03:54.27 | MrRick | I don't know if it is a problem with Grub or xwindows |
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| 03:55.11 | MrRick | I have other linux distros that will load up fine: Knoppix liveCD for example |
| 03:55.27 | MrRick | so I know the hardware works |
| 03:55.43 | Megaf | MrRick: first try installing the package firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 03:56.11 | Megaf | you may need to add the repos contrib non-free in addition main in your sources.list |
| 03:56.46 | MrRick | thanks, I know that the contrib and non-free repositories aren't enabled by default. I'll try that Megaf. |
| 03:56.49 | Megaf | so it will look something like deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main contrib non-free |
| 03:57.15 | Megaf | and the firmware for your GPU my be inside the firmware-linux-nonfree package |
| 03:57.18 | Megaf | but it's just a guess |
| 03:57.38 | Megaf | It's nice installing it anyway, because it will update your CPUs microcode |
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| 03:58.15 | MrRick | Megaf: I'll give it a shot. thanks |
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| 04:07.17 | vktr01330 | hi. i'm installing debian and i have a little problem setting up an encrypted swap. the manual isn't very clear to me. someone can quickly give me a hand? mainly not sure in which order to do things |
| 04:07.43 | Megaf | vktr01330: Are you using the entire hard drive? |
| 04:07.52 | un214 | I know the dumb way |
| 04:08.00 | Megaf | That is, is Debian going to be alone in that computer? |
| 04:08.22 | vktr01330 | Megan, no, i have windoze on it which i like to keep |
| 04:08.34 | vktr01330 | *Megaf |
| 04:08.38 | Megaf | MegaF |
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| 04:09.59 | un214 | vktr01330 you wan the dumb way? |
| 04:10.03 | Megaf | vktr01330: so you could on windows first defrag your partitons, then use windows disk utility to resize your partititions creating a blank space. Then you run Debian installer and tell it to create encrypted volumes using the free space in the guided mode |
| 04:10.03 | FukShitLOL | dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs |
| 04:10.20 | Megaf | can anyone ban FukShitLOL please? |
| 04:10.31 | FukShitLOL | can anyone ban Megaf please? |
| 04:10.41 | un214 | good luck with that troll |
| 04:10.49 | FukShitLOL | good luck with that troll |
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| 04:11.41 | Megaf | hm /ignore command from IRCcloud is quite good |
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| 04:12.02 | Megaf | it cleans all the messages from the buffer/hisotry |
| 04:12.06 | un214 | what does it mean k-lined? |
| 04:12.21 | Megaf | banned from the network by an IRC Operator |
| 04:12.38 | un214 | good |
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| 04:14.38 | Megaf | I have a fresh Stretch install here, that I did a minimal netinstall |
| 04:14.45 | Megaf | firstboot went to Buster |
| 04:14.49 | Megaf | and now going to Sid :) |
| 04:14.53 | vktr01330 | un214: that's guided, right, not an option, but thanks |
| 04:14.53 | vktr01330 | Megaf, resizing the partitions isn't a problem. i have plenty of free space left actually. it's the partitioning at installation i have difficulty with. especially setting up an encrypted swap. not sure in which order to do things. and now i have a logical partition i can't get rid of |
| 04:15.02 | Megaf | and did the encrypted install |
| 04:15.33 | noahmg123 | A gtk theme I'm trying to install isn't changing all of the graphical elements it's supposed to. |
| 04:15.36 | Megaf | vktr01330: so here it created one encrypted group and two volumes inside of it |
| 04:16.06 | Megaf | vktr01330: you want to encrypt only the swap? |
| 04:16.11 | vktr01330 | Megaf: yes |
| 04:16.17 | Megaf | why? |
| 04:16.27 | Megaf | theres no reason to encrypt your swap |
| 04:16.37 | Megaf | if / is not enrypted too |
| 04:16.50 | un214 | maybe there's nothing interseting on the disk because he calls down his programs remotely |
| 04:16.59 | vktr01330 | Megaf: i want to make an encrypted folder for my private files later |
| 04:17.26 | un214 | but in fact I'd recommend encrypting / anyway |
| 04:17.31 | vktr01330 | Megaf: not to encrypt the whole / or /home and slow down boot |
| 04:17.43 | Megaf | the thing is. If / is not encrypted, then anyone can get access to everything else anyway |
| 04:18.35 | Megaf | vktr01330: and I have full root encryption here on my AMD E1 dual core at 1,3 Ghz and also on a Core2Duo 2,4 Ghz |
| 04:18.45 | Megaf | no slowdown at all at any moment |
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| 04:19.12 | vktr01330 | Megaf: not even at boot? |
| 04:19.32 | Megaf | Not that I'm aware off, maybe one second slower? Or half second? |
| 04:19.59 | Megaf | the only thing is that it will not let the system boot unless I put the volume password |
| 04:19.59 | vktr01330 | Megaf: also, how can people access encrypted folders even if they have access to root? |
| 04:20.03 | Megaf | which is good |
| 04:20.17 | Megaf | it is decrypted at boot time |
| 04:20.37 | Megaf | or access is granted at boot time |
| 04:20.50 | un214 | ah yes that's right encrypted swap has to have a boot time key |
| 04:21.03 | un214 | unless you really do enter key every boot |
| 04:21.08 | Megaf | any important partition really |
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| 04:22.17 | vktr01330 | if you have several users you'll also have to give a password twice, or not? if whole disk is encrypted |
| 04:23.56 | Megaf | before the system boot, access is given to everyone, you only type the password once |
| 04:24.59 | Megaf | if you have different users, you can encrypt each users home folder separately and decrypt only when the user logs in, but that is way beyond my current knowledge |
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| 04:27.00 | vktr01330 | Megaf: for that if already found and used clear how-to's. but i can't find a clear tutorial on how to encrypt specific partitions. i still think this is a good compromise security-resources-wise |
| 04:27.48 | Megaf | vktr01330: you just create a partition in the installer and as type you select encrypted volume |
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| 04:28.13 | Megaf | just after creating them, you click in the setup encrypted volumes |
| 04:28.13 | vktr01330 | Megaf: and then i can use it as swap? |
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| 04:28.36 | Megaf | and just after that, you can set one partition as swap, other as home and so on |
| 04:29.56 | vktr01330 | Megaf: i create a new partition ,closest option i have is "physical volume for encryption", i select that and go to "setup encrypted vol"? |
| 04:30.41 | Megaf | precisely |
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| 04:38.53 | vktr01330 | Megaf: it doesn't work like that. but i think i half-accidentally managed it |
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| 04:39.28 | Megaf | I just use the automagic guided mode... |
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| 04:45.40 | vktr01330 | Megaf: i could have :p But i want things "custom". Anyway, you have to make a separate swap partition and then choose that as mount point of the encrypted one... i think |
| 04:45.59 | ImNotHere | Good night :) |
| 04:46.05 | ImNotHere | almost 5 AM |
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| 05:03.14 | BenNZ | vktr01330: depends on your personal preference |
| 05:03.51 | vktr01330 | BenNZ: so, no big problem either way? (running XFCE and gnome3) |
| 05:05.21 | BenNZ | vktr01330: i prefer lightdm and xfce , you shouldnt have any problems with using lightdm with gnome either , but since i dont use gnome-shell i could be wrong |
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| 05:07.05 | vktr01330 | BenNZ: i selected gdm3 which i guess will now run both. maybe i can set up lightdm for XFCE and gdm3 for gnome later. anyway, thnks |
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| 05:36.25 | gladioacuto | good morgning everyboy |
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| 05:36.30 | gladioacuto | everybody |
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| 05:37.58 | gladioacuto | yesterday X server on Stretch crashed and in /var/log/syslog I get this horrible line:' org.a11y.atspi.Registry[677]: XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0" ' |
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| 05:39.00 | gladioacuto | second, resuming from hibernation I get from kernel: 'kernel: [133762.891451] [drm] GPU crash dump saved to /sys/class/drm/card0/error ' and sometimes resuming freezes and I have to reboot. |
| 05:39.13 | gladioacuto | What's going on? Any help please? |
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| 06:15.50 | timothywcrane | just installed debian 9 on my VPS (minimal with ssh) to begin one of the famous "perfect server" tutorials (with email,web, and ispconfig3). Is the best practice to first create an SU account and not use root? |
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| 06:17.59 | asaba | timothywcrane, to use root only when you need is always one of the best practice :P |
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| 06:21.29 | timothywcrane | thnx asaba... who died? just a joke on your name from fiqh studies. Hope you understand the joke. |
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| 06:46.19 | civilIp | "Lord God, give us the strength that we may retain our liberty for our children and our children's children, not only for ourselves but also for the other peoples of Europe, for this is a war which we all wage, this time, not for our German people alone, it is a war for all of Europe and with it, in the long run, for all of MANKIND." | https://youtu.be/jWHuFuuYHso | 200,000 views in <2 months | Banned in CH, AU, DE, + |
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| 06:47.24 | Shmam | So I'm trying to get into my old rpi. Forgot the user and password. I can get the Debian 8 login screen to show up. How can I recover the password? Holding shift furing bootup didn't work |
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| 06:47.46 | white|raven | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:48.07 | oerheks | white|raven, time to change password |
| 06:48.54 | timothywcrane | I thought same ;) |
| 06:49.03 | strength | civilIp: what in the shit are you on about? |
| 06:49.06 | Shmam | yeah wut |
| 06:49.17 | Shmam | uve been compromised agent |
| 06:49.27 | Shmam | we're pullin u out |
| 06:49.38 | Shmam | but pls someone help me recover my password |
| 06:49.44 | Shmam | need halp like rite nao |
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| 06:50.15 | oerheks | http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-reset-debian-root-password.html |
| 06:50.30 | Shmam | i cant get in |
| 06:50.31 | Shmam | at all |
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| 06:50.44 | Shmam | cant put in any commands. I get stuck in the login screen |
| 06:51.01 | strength | you will probably have to use the serial kvm |
| 06:51.24 | Shmam | can I brute force somehow? it does have an ssh server running |
| 06:51.48 | strength | you might risk being banned by your provider.. |
| 06:52.03 | Shmam | its on a local network |
| 06:52.15 | Shmam | I should be fine right? |
| 06:52.23 | strength | pfft, then if you have physical access... |
| 06:52.50 | Shmam | RIP ehite raven |
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| 06:53.19 | strength | 3 days and still no vpn :[ |
| 06:53.33 | Shmam | ? |
| 06:53.43 | strength | cant get openvpn running |
| 06:53.54 | Shmam | oo I had problems with it too |
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| 06:55.10 | Shmam | brute force boiii get hyped |
| 06:55.14 | strength | what was your issue? |
| 06:55.25 | Shmam | forgot debian user/password |
| 06:55.30 | strength | hahaha |
| 06:55.38 | Shmam | on an old rpi |
| 06:55.55 | Shmam | make: cc: command not found |
| 06:55.59 | Shmam | any ideas? |
| 06:56.32 | strength | nope, i suck at computers |
| 06:56.59 | Shmam | ooo shiz, missing the C compiler lol |
| 06:57.45 | Shmam | the Ubuntu Windows subsystem is so cool |
| 06:57.50 | Shmam | I love it so much |
| 06:58.01 | timothywcrane | is cname just a subdomain record. |
| 06:58.25 | strength | timothywcrane: what is the tutorial you're using? |
| 06:58.48 | timothywcrane | https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/perfect-server-debian-9-stretch-apache-bind-dovecot-ispconfig-3-1/ |
| 06:58.58 | strength | cname i thought was for prefixes to your domain... mail.dudes.org for examp[le |
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| 06:59.25 | timothywcrane | but I have a borked domain setup from a bought domain... 23 Cname records |
| 06:59.46 | strength | yeah they're basically domain links |
| 06:59.58 | Shmam | https://i.imgur.com/rL5Rh8R.gif |
| 07:00.13 | Shmam | RIP Gabe :,( |
| 07:00.27 | Shmam | now im sad |
| 07:00.32 | timothywcrane | crap like _domainconnect _domainconnect.gd.domaincontrol.com , obviously GD crud... needed? |
| 07:00.33 | Shmam | everi tiem I see that one |
| 07:00.40 | Shmam | sigh |
| 07:02.08 | strength | i donbt know any of the things!!! where can you learn thjis stuff wiuth out school friends or money? |
| 07:02.26 | Shmam | just hang out on irc and u learn so much |
| 07:02.54 | strength | i feel like i never learn anything, even though i at least got apache started and linux installed |
| 07:02.58 | Shmam | do you have a computer running linux? |
| 07:03.05 | strength | vps baby |
| 07:03.11 | strength | my first server |
| 07:03.18 | strength | and i stare blankly at her |
| 07:03.28 | Shmam | vps hosting? |
| 07:03.31 | strength | although...i did spy some chinese ssh into her earlier |
| 07:03.36 | strength | but i banned those motherfuckers |
| 07:03.42 | strength | yuessir |
| 07:03.55 | Shmam | ah. cool |
| 07:04.03 | Shmam | make a website |
| 07:04.06 | strength | lly, i wish it was here so i could fucking smash it |
| 07:04.19 | strength | goddamn openvpn bullshit |
| 07:04.23 | Shmam | LOL these make messages are so fucking funny |
| 07:04.36 | strength | good, they're going ion my website |
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| 07:04.53 | strength | as soon as i get ssh going |
| 07:05.05 | strength | err openvpn |
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| 07:06.30 | Shmam | i just cant get over how cool the linux windows subsystem is |
| 07:06.37 | Shmam | it's gamechanging and nobody is talking about it |
| 07:06.39 | timothywcrane | apache2 chat has 5 sleeping people in it. Anyone know the official apache help channel. Installing a server, might be more approp. |
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| 07:06.55 | Shmam | what do you need help with? |
| 07:07.00 | Shmam | apache isn't that hard |
| 07:08.22 | timothywcrane | # Your system has configured 'manage_etc_hosts' as True. |
| 07:08.22 | timothywcrane | # As a result, if you wish for changes to this file to persist |
| 07:08.23 | timothywcrane | # then you will need to either |
| 07:08.23 | timothywcrane | # a.) make changes to the master file in /etc/cloud/templates/hosts.tmpl# b.) change or remove the value of 'manage_etc_hosts' in# /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg or cloud-config from user-data |
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| 07:08.55 | timothywcrane | which would cause less probs in future with multisite ispconfig setup |
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| 07:34.29 | Shmam | Hey. I'm missing math.h. How do I get it? |
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| 07:35.43 | EriC^^ | Shmam: sudo apt-get install libc6-dev |
| 07:36.01 | annadane | you kids and your apt-get |
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| 07:36.24 | EriC^^ | isn't it the opposite |
| 07:36.26 | Shmam | EriC^^: Already installed |
| 07:36.44 | EriC^^ | Shmam: ls -l /usr/include/math.h doesn't show it? |
| 07:36.47 | Shmam | 2.23-0ubuntu9 installed |
| 07:37.06 | Shmam | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 18371 Jun 16 15:51 /usr/include/math.h |
| 07:37.11 | Shmam | that's all i've got |
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| 07:37.13 | mxh- | annadane: Suggesting apt instead? |
| 07:37.24 | annadane | nah, just a joke |
| 07:37.37 | annadane | and yeah, it's the opposite if anything |
| 07:37.53 | mxh- | I use apt though! It has much more user friendly output |
| 07:37.56 | Shmam | does that mean that I need to cp that math.h here? |
| 07:38.00 | mxh- | Better search, too |
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| 07:39.04 | Shmam | please help meh |
| 07:39.12 | Shmam | i need to go to slep |
| 07:39.31 | EriC^^ | Shmam: what's the actual problem? what program wants math.h? |
| 07:39.37 | Shmam | hydra |
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| 07:40.00 | Shmam | [ERROR] -x option is not available as math.h was not found at compile time |
| 07:40.06 | Shmam | thats the actual error message |
| 07:40.13 | Shmam | I installed my cmake |
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| 07:40.17 | EriC^^ | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/401566/math-h-was-not-found-at-compile-time-hydra-cygwin |
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| 07:40.26 | zophyx | yeah, math.h |
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| 07:40.57 | Shmam | right but my compiler should ship with math.h so idk why I have this prob |
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| 07:41.05 | Shmam | doesnt make any sense |
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| 07:41.26 | EriC^^ | Shmam: why are you compiling it yourself? isn't there a .deb for it? |
| 07:41.39 | Shmam | not that I saw |
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| 07:41.44 | Shmam | just followed the readme |
| 07:42.07 | EriC^^ | Shmam: try apt-cache search hydra |
| 07:42.09 | Shmam | how do I make uninstall? |
| 07:42.14 | Shmam | they have it in apt |
| 07:42.15 | mxh- | Look for it in the repos, and if not there look for a deb! And read the "dont break debian" page, it's good info :) |
| 07:42.20 | Shmam | ill try to install it from there |
| 07:42.28 | EriC^^ | Shmam: it seems to be in the repos already |
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| 07:42.35 | Shmam | it is |
| 07:42.49 | jeffmr | mxh-, where is the don't break debian page? |
| 07:42.52 | Shmam | how do I remove the one i compiled and `make install`ed |
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| 07:43.13 | EriC^^ | Shmam: if it never compiled it shouldn't have installed anything anywhere, i think |
| 07:43.21 | mxh- | jeffmr: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 07:43.24 | Shmam | the hydra command works tho |
| 07:43.47 | Shmam | $ sudo make uninstall : make: *** No rule to make target 'uninstall'. Stop. |
| 07:43.49 | EriC^^ | Shmam: try sudo make uninstall |
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| 07:44.19 | EriC^^ | Shmam: try "sudo updatedb" then "locate hydra" |
| 07:44.36 | EriC^^ | to get an idea if it's installed and where |
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| 07:45.32 | Shmam | does sudo updatedb usually take this long? |
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| 07:45.39 | EriC^^ | yeah |
| 07:45.42 | Shmam | k |
| 07:47.11 | mxh- | really? $ time sudo updatedb => real 0m0.117s |
| 07:47.19 | Shmam | still going |
| 07:47.20 | mxh- | 500 gb ssd |
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| 07:47.40 | Shmam | I'm running on a 512GB M.2 Intel 600p ssd sooo |
| 07:47.47 | Shmam | something might be wrong |
| 07:47.49 | mxh- | maybe first time it takes a while? don't know tbh |
| 07:48.30 | Shmam | why does my last bios time say 2953.1 sec lol |
| 07:48.56 | EriC^^ | last bios time? |
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| 07:49.03 | Shmam | wondoes |
| 07:49.15 | Shmam | using the linux ubuntu subsystem |
| 07:49.18 | Shmam | which is super cool btw |
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| 07:49.41 | Shmam | taking so long |
| 07:49.42 | Shmam | wtf |
| 07:49.45 | mxh- | i tried that in a VM but it kept bluescreening on me :P |
| 07:49.56 | Shmam | really |
| 07:49.58 | EriC^^ | Shmam: ctrl+c it |
| 07:50.03 | Shmam | so far, no problems |
| 07:50.03 | mxh- | probably the VM's fault |
| 07:50.21 | Shmam | EriC^^: Just did and started it again |
| 07:50.37 | EriC^^ | k |
| 07:50.39 | Shmam | its really handy for sshing into my servers. Never liked putty |
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| 07:50.48 | Shmam | and I feel right at home |
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| 07:52.37 | Shmam | using 0mb/s of disk in task manager |
| 07:52.40 | Shmam | think its not working |
| 07:52.55 | Shmam | lol mist is using more |
| 07:53.55 | Shmam | nothing from locate hydra but which hydra puts out "/usr/local/bin/hydra" |
| 07:54.38 | mxh- | Maybe try it as root (do $ sudo su) and try it. Sounds stupid but |
| 07:54.58 | mxh- | Or did you get it to work |
| 07:55.12 | Shmam | I got "which hydra" |
| 07:55.20 | Shmam | what does locate do differently? |
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| 07:55.39 | mxh- | finds any file/folder path containing the pattern |
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| 07:56.00 | Shmam | well we have that one |
| 07:56.03 | Shmam | weedooo |
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| 07:57.48 | mxh- | so you can do like $ locate --regex "^.*/math.h$" to find any and all versions of that file |
| 07:57.55 | jeffmr | doesn't he need mlocate to update the database? |
| 07:58.06 | mxh- | yeah but he has mlocate if updatedb exists |
| 07:58.09 | mxh- | i think |
| 07:58.23 | jeffmr | It wasn't installed by default on my system. |
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| 07:58.46 | mxh- | Same but he is on the windows/ubuntu subsystem |
| 07:58.59 | jeffmr | Oh. |
| 07:59.10 | Shmam | eek |
| 07:59.33 | EriC^^ | can't he use the makefile's install to see where it puts all the files? |
| 08:00.04 | Shmam | https://github.com/vanhauser-thc/thc-hydra/blob/master/Makefile |
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| 08:00.23 | mxh- | Shmam: So you installed hydra from the repos, what's the issue now? |
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| 08:00.55 | Shmam | [ERROR] Compiled without LIBSSH v0.4.x support, module is not available! |
| 08:01.23 | Shmam | I downloaded made and compiled libssh as well as installing it with apt and neither worked |
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| 08:05.05 | mxh- | welp, just tried installing it from the debian repos and it works just fine |
| 08:05.05 | mxh- | it's a windowsbuntu thing |
| 08:05.05 | Shmam | well I guess this piece of junk is only good for ssh lol |
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| 08:05.05 | Shmam | installed via apt? |
| 08:05.05 | Shmam | ill just use my ubuntu server |
| 08:05.05 | mxh- | yeah just sudo apt install hydra |
| 08:05.05 | mxh- | yeah that's probably the easier option |
| 08:05.05 | Shmam | here we go |
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| 08:05.05 | mxh- | i'm on sid though, worth mentioning |
| 08:05.05 | Shmam | works lol |
| 08:05.05 | mxh- | :3 |
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| 08:05.05 | mxh- | always good to have a little vps if you get stuck on windows |
| 08:05.05 | mxh- | i do myself :D |
| 08:05.05 | Shmam | http://i.imgur.com/YWob2fK.gif |
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| 08:05.57 | Shmam | pls find it in this century hydra |
| 08:06.01 | Shmam | i need my password |
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| 08:06.38 | mxh- | does it really work well? |
| 08:07.00 | Shmam | donno, still running |
| 08:07.04 | Shmam | work faster |
| 08:07.05 | Shmam | lol |
| 08:07.24 | mxh- | Shmam: can i PM you? |
| 08:07.29 | mxh- | Got a question |
| 08:07.30 | Shmam | yea sure |
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| 08:12.58 | freiform | Hi, I want to access /dev/rfcomm0 programmatically, unfortunately blueman has a pointer on the device and I cannot access is as regular user (I am a member of the dialout group to which the device belongs). Any ideas short of removeing blueman? |
| 08:13.07 | AliasSpider | yes |
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| 08:15.44 | freiform | AliasSpider: was that directed at me? |
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| 08:27.13 | dunatotatos | Hi! I'm trying to run a binary ~1 million times with different arguments. I used xargs, but most of the CPU time is consumed by the system instead of the user, probably to create and destroy the processes. Any idea to improve that? Like using the same processes pool to run the same binary with different arguments? How? |
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| 08:29.48 | jim | xargs seems like a good way to do it... but I'm curious, what inspired you to run it with different parameters like that? |
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| 08:31.35 | dunatotatos | Just bioinformatics stuff. I have ~1700 files of drug structure, and want to create a matrix of similarity on a specific way using an external binary that I cannot modify. This binary takes two arguments: the two files containing the structures of the two drugs we want to compare. |
| 08:32.52 | dunatotatos | The xargs way works, but is terribly slow. I run it on 46 cores, and it still takes more than 15 hours, with more than 14 used by sys. |
| 08:33.00 | jim | so you're looking at running it 1700^2 times? |
| 08:33.26 | trewas | dunatotatos: there is always some cost when starting a process that shows up as system time, and if the process itself does not take long then system time will dominate |
| 08:33.37 | dunatotatos | (1700^2)/2 because the matrix is symmetric |
| 08:34.04 | jim | on its diagonal? |
| 08:34.33 | dunatotatos | trewas: of course. And it is exactly why I think another option could be possible. Like using the same process to run the same binary with another argument. |
| 08:34.36 | dunatotatos | jim: yes |
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| 08:35.23 | trewas | dunatotatos: that would require changing the binary |
| 08:35.23 | jim | so, it's generally true that thisMatrix[a,b] == thisMatrix[b,a] |
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| 08:35.34 | dunatotatos | jim: yes |
| 08:36.13 | dunatotatos | trewas: I was afraid of not finding another solution... I do not have access to the binary source code. It means I have to re-write it all by myself. |
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| 08:37.02 | jim | I -guess- you could replace the xargs and looping you're doing now with the equiv in C |
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| 08:37.56 | jim | or you could try in python or something like that |
| 08:38.20 | dunatotatos | jim: Isn't running an external binary from a C code forking the current process? If yes, I do not see any advantage. |
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| 08:38.42 | dunatotatos | And I tried in Python with the subprocess module, it was 10 times worse ^^ |
| 08:38.49 | jim | you want to improve which, speed? |
| 08:39.28 | dunatotatos | Yes, and especially reduce the sys CPU charge. |
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| 08:41.10 | jim | hmm... you know the algorithm it's using? |
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| 08:41.48 | jim | also, how many times is this whole thing to be run? |
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| 08:41.54 | dunatotatos | Not in details. But the speed of the binary is really not an issue. It is much faster than the task of creating/destroying the processus which ran the binary. |
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| 08:42.30 | dunatotatos | The whole application will have to be running only a few times. Like max 10, maybe. But on much larger datasets. |
| 08:43.04 | n4n0` | what are you rewriting anywho? |
| 08:43.16 | n4n0` | why are we recreating the wheel :) |
| 08:43.20 | jim | so you'd be looking at a single run of several days |
| 08:43.26 | preaction | did you run a profiler to see where exactly the performance problem was? |
| 08:43.57 | dunatotatos | jim: yes, but it is really not optimal, especially when I know where is the problem. |
| 08:44.30 | dunatotatos | n4n0: In my knowledge, nothing already does what I'm writing. |
| 08:44.59 | dunatotatos | preaction: Do you consider `time` to be a profiler? |
| 08:45.08 | [k00l]shamoanjac | lol no |
| 08:45.08 | preaction | no, that's not a profiler |
| 08:45.10 | dunatotatos | JK, the answer is no ^^ |
| 08:45.23 | preaction | alright, glad i'm going to bed then |
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| 09:02.22 | AliasSpider | 祢 |
| 09:02.26 | dunatotatos | I ran `perf`. I'm discovering this tool, and I'm really not sure about the interpretation of the output. However, it looks like most of the time is consumed by sh [kernel.kallsyms], symbol [k] filemap_map_pages and [k] unmap_page_range |
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| 09:08.48 | mum0l | Hi guys! I am going to learn icinga and grafana with influxdb (or maybe some more lightwave db). Now, I need to buy a VPS for that, and I am wondering if 1vcore 1GRAM machine will be enought for that? The purpose will be to monitor only 1 remote host + host itself. If anyone did it, could let me know if this kind of VPS will be enought to handle this stuff? Your feedback will be kindly appreciated! ;) |
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| 09:33.21 | cq1 | Hey folks. I'm currently in the following state: I have drive A with no Full Disk Encryption and a bunch of my files on it, and brand new drive B not even formatted yet. I want to transition to: Brand new Debian on drive A with FDE and my files on it, and drive B with FDE for additional storage. What's the best path from here to there? |
| 09:34.13 | annadane | cq1, so you don't have encryption on disk a and want to transfer to disk b will encryption? so you want to encrypt drive a first? |
| 09:34.21 | annadane | s/will/with |
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| 09:34.37 | annadane | AliasSpider, this channel is in english |
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| 09:36.28 | cq1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:36.39 | cq1 | For example, I want both to mount automatically at boot time with a single entered password. |
| 09:36.46 | cq1 | Like I'm used to with FDE. |
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| 09:46.18 | annadane | !ops AliasSpider |
| 09:46.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: annadane complains about a problem (see above) |
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| 09:52.24 | petn-randall | cq1: The safest bet is to do a fresh install with FDE, then just migrate your home dir over. |
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| 09:52.56 | petn-randall | cq1: Other methods will surely work, too, but will take some trial and error to find the working setup. |
| 09:53.27 | cq1 | petn-randall: Okay, sounds good. Will a fresh install give me the option to set up FDE on both drives? |
| 09:54.10 | petn-randall | cq1: Are both drives the same size? |
| 09:55.00 | cq1 | petn-randall: Nope, one is 250 GB, the other is 2 TB, and I only want to boot off of and put anything on the smaller SSD. I merely want the larger one as ext4 with FDE that I can manually put things on. |
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| 09:55.18 | cq1 | It would just be really nice if all the FDE were automagically handled for me and the same password enabled both. |
| 09:55.25 | cq1 | Like, at start up, only having to be entered once. |
| 09:55.44 | petn-randall | cq1: AFAIR your first typed password for LUKS will be used for the others, too. |
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| 09:56.16 | petn-randall | cq1: If that isn't the case, you can still store the credentials in your /etc/fstab so you don't have to type it. |
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| 09:56.27 | petn-randall | Sorry, /etc/crypttab. |
| 09:56.44 | cq1 | petn-randall: Oh, clever. Because that config file is inside the first encrypted setup, so I guess that's safe. |
| 09:57.10 | cq1 | petn-randall: Perfect. I should probably just do that. Is there some conceivable way I could do this without a third drive on which to stage my files I'd like to copy over? |
| 09:58.03 | cq1 | Like, if I could just setup FDE on my second drive, and then do a fresh install on the first, but after the install configure it to appropriately mount the second drive that would save me having to find a staging area for my files. |
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| 09:59.48 | petn-randall | cq1: I'd do the following: Back up all your data to the 2nd drive. Do a clean reinstall on the first one with FDE. Then copy your data back. Then your can create a LUKS on the 2nd drive, and add it to /etc/fstab and /etc/crypttab on your system. |
| 10:00.20 | cq1 | petn-randall: Great, sounds like a plan. |
| 10:00.45 | cq1 | Is setting up LUKS like that easy? I've only ever done it either A: on a flat file, or B: just using the automagical defaults in the Debian installer. |
| 10:00.47 | petn-randall | cq1: Unless you have another backup drive, in that case you could setup both drives at once. |
| 10:00.55 | cq1 | I do not have another backup drive. |
| 10:01.00 | cq1 | I think your plan is excellent. |
| 10:01.36 | petn-randall | cq1: I see. Yes, setting up LUKS is pretty straight-forward. Don't let the many config options confuse you, just stick with the (sane) defaults. |
| 10:02.19 | cq1 | petn-randall: Okay. I might come back here under brand-new Debian seeking additional help. |
| 10:02.21 | cq1 | Thanks. |
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| 10:16.08 | petn-randall | cq1: Sure, do that. We're here to help! |
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| 10:19.00 | cq1 | petn-randall: Okay, wait. So, my new added hard drive is 8x bigger than my boot SSD. I'm tempted to do the following: Set up LUKS right now, and copy essentially everything off my nearly-full SSD into it. |
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| 10:19.09 | cq1 | Then, install fresh debian on my SSD, and only copy the things I want back. |
| 10:19.32 | cq1 | But still have everything on the hard drive, in case I randomly am like "oh, crap, how did I configure that random file in /etc" |
| 10:19.59 | cq1 | So, my question is: Is there any reason why I should set up LUKS *after* the fresh install? |
| 10:20.08 | cq1 | Like, will I have to worry about a newer version of LUKS not being compatible, or something? |
| 10:20.35 | cq1 | Because what I'm describing is very appealing to me, so I don't have to think hard about what I copy over. I just make nearly a full disk image into my spacious 2 TB hard drive. |
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| 10:23.17 | petn-randall | cq1: Yes, you can also do it that way. Just make sure to copy the system over to the large HDD from a boot live system, otherwise you won't get a consistent copy of the system. |
| 10:24.08 | cq1 | petn-randall: Sounds like a plan. |
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| 10:30.12 | cq1 | petn-randall: Do you have a good source on setting up LUKS? I'm unsure if I should be wiping the drive with /dev/urandom first to obscure access patterns, or if it'll offer to do that for me, or what... |
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| 10:30.33 | cq1 | Also, it looks like cryptsetup takes a ton of crypto primitive options |
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| 10:31.17 | cq1 | And I honestly have no criteria upon which to evaluate "aes-xts-plain64" vs "aes-cbc-essiv" and the like. |
| 10:31.22 | petn-randall | cq1: Yes, I'd ignore those and go with the defaults. |
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| 10:33.17 | plasmoduck | How can I install Debian with default Wayland Gnome3? |
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| 10:34.18 | petn-randall | cq1: The defaults are sane, well tested, and known to work. The others are less tested, there was even a bug in one of the lesser-known ciphers that caused data loss. |
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| 10:34.55 | petn-randall | !weston |
| 10:34.55 | dpkg | Weston is the reference implementation of a <wayland> compositor (display server), developed by the Wayland project. Available since Debian 8 "Jessie" although very much a work-in-progress. http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ #wayland on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 10:35.11 | petn-randall | plasmoduck: ^^^ I don't think it's in a useable state in stretch. |
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| 10:37.36 | plasmoduck | Okay, reason I ask is because I see this new Purism "PureOS" based on Debian which is using Wayland out-of-the-box and seems to work fine - https://www.pureos.net | I am asking about Debian because I'd rather just use pure Debian with Wayland rather than a whole other distro if I don't have to? |
| 10:37.57 | stoned | Wyland is what? |
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| 10:38.22 | stoned | Oh a new x servedr |
| 10:38.29 | plasmoduck | stoned: the replacement for x11/xorg |
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| 10:38.53 | plasmoduck | Cutting-edge technology: It includes GNOME 3 and the next-generation Wayland display protocol, out of the box. Thanks to this forward-thinking graphics subsystem, you can now enjoy fluid high-framerate videos without tearing, benefit from enhanced security through isolation between graphical software applications, frame-perfect hardware-accelerated animations and UI components rendering, and better power management. |
| 10:38.57 | stoned | https://wayland.freedesktop.org/ |
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| 10:39.15 | stoned | Oh, that's nice |
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| 10:40.00 | stoned | Xorg is pretty old. |
| 10:40.05 | cq1 | petn-randall: Sorry for asking so many questions, but I've been Googling and after reading the Arch wiki it's now a bit more confusing. It seems I can choose between "LVM on LUKS", "LUKS on LVM", "plain dm-crypt", and possibly some more options I don't know how to evaluate. |
| 10:40.49 | cq1 | I want literally the most default thing ever. I ran cfdisk and made a single big partition and mkfs.ext4ed the /dev/sdb1 partition. I want the simplest possible thing that blows away /dev/sdb1 and lets me mkfs.ext4 again inside of the encryption. |
| 10:41.14 | cq1 | (Or, basically, whatever corresponds to the default thing that Debian would set up for me.) |
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| 10:44.10 | maxzor | plasmoduck, has debian stretch ditched x11/xorg? (and do you really type this fast oO :) ) |
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| 10:46.32 | petn-randall | cq1: "cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sdb1" will create a LUKS-encrypted disk for you. You might want to overwrite the partition with random data, first, though. |
| 10:47.53 | petn-randall | cq1: Simplest way to overwrite it with random data is to luksformat it, then just overwrite the inside partition with zeroes (dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mapper/XXX bs=1M). |
| 10:48.21 | petn-randall | cq1: After that you just format is again, and then put your data in it. |
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| 10:48.53 | cq1 | petn-randall: Awesome, thanks. |
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| 10:49.57 | petn-randall | cq1: Regarding the options your found: "plain dm-crypt" is the same as LUKS, but just doesn't contain a LUKS header. So it's impossible to know if or how the partition is encrypted. In the theoretical scenario where someone apprehends the system you have a somewhat plausible deniability in that you could say it's just random data. |
| 10:50.05 | plasmoduck | maxzor: Debian stretch has not yet ditched x11/xorg and will not for a long time, even when Wayland is fully implemented, Debian will keep x11/xorg for backwards compatibility as such. As to your other question, I do fancy myself a 'how do you say?' "keyboard cowboy" ;-) |
| 10:50.24 | petn-randall | cq1: The downside is that you have to memorize all the config options to open it, and if you miss any of them, you'll just get jibberish. |
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| 10:51.10 | cq1 | petn-randall: Sounds pretty marginal for my use case, but thanks for the edification. |
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| 10:53.46 | petn-randall | cq1: LVM is not directly related with LUKS, but often used together. It's an abstraction that allows you to freely partition the free space in the LUKS container. "LUKS on LVM" is a very weird use case, I don't think it's used very often. |
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| 10:55.24 | cq1 | petn-randall: I did cryptsetup, but I have no new /dev/mapper entry. |
| 10:56.53 | cq1 | Also, I presume that the way that all this cryptsetup stuff works is that the block device is exposed with a new name, and transparently performs encryption, so I presumably have to mkfs.ext4 this new /dev/mapper/XXX block device, and it'll make a filesystem appropriately inside of the encryption? |
| 10:57.35 | cq1 | petn-randall: Oh, it looks like I need a cryptsetup open afterwards. |
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| 11:01.48 | cq1 | Alright, looks like it should finish filling with random data in about 5 hours. |
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| 11:03.04 | kai_w | can I use the nvidia-driver over remote X11? glxinfo gives me 'GeForce GTX...' as the renderer when run locally, but 'llvmpipe' when run via 'ssh -X' |
| 11:05.25 | Sveta | kai_w: i don't think you can do graphics over remote x11, i tried it over ssh -X and it didn't get through. if it works for you I would be glad to know how. |
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| 11:21.25 | kai_w | has anybody run MATLAB remotely with X forwarding recently? opening it and typing exit just hangs, rather than quitting. simple operations (e.g. 1+1) at the prompt work. |
| 11:21.44 | kai_w | setting software opengl works around it, but this wasn't necessary a few weeks ago. |
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| 11:23.31 | freiform | kai_w: are you running testing? |
| 11:24.01 | petn-randall | cq1: Sorry, was afk for bit. Yes, pretty much what you said. |
| 11:24.35 | kai_w | freiform: yes |
| 11:25.07 | kai_w | on both the local and remote |
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| 11:25.53 | freiform | kai_w: using matlab in hardware randering mode locally with an AMD GPU doesn't work for me in testing. stable runs fine, though. But as I said, i am running it locally. |
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| 11:34.06 | Rembo | i hard about a bash script who monitor raid activity and if one drive faild send email, can someone help? |
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| 11:35.04 | oper1 | Hello all |
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| 11:35.46 | colo-work | Rembo, for Linux "software" RAID, aka md? there's `mdadm --monitor` for that. |
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| 11:39.12 | kai_w | freiform: It works locally, so I think this is a different issue. |
| 11:39.57 | freiform | kai_w: ok, nevermind then. |
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| 11:41.08 | kai_w | I think the change recently was switching to the vendor-neutral-dispatch mode? so they might both be related to that. |
| 11:41.55 | JyZyXEL | does anybody know how to get 'sensors' to show +12V and +5V correctly: https://paste.debian.net/995850/ ? |
| 11:43.00 | JyZyXEL | i think even the Vcore is wrong, because i7z tool says 1.10-1.18V |
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| 12:07.53 | CuteMeOwnThroat | JyZyXEL, did you already run sensors-detect and look at /etc/sensors3.conf? |
| 12:08.09 | JyZyXEL | yeah |
| 12:08.12 | CuteMeOwnThroat | I think first thing is to make sure that it's the fully correct chipset⦠|
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| 12:16.45 | JyZyXEL | yes it detects the correct chip |
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| 12:34.25 | JyZyXEL | i used "compute in5 @ * 3, @ / 3" for 5V and "compute in1 @ * 6.6, @ / 6.6" for 12V |
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| 12:35.04 | JyZyXEL | the Vcore doesn't seem to be connected to the actual dynamic Vcores of the CPU |
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| 12:40.57 | FinalX | where do I see the changelog for a package? specifically tomcat7 on wheezy? |
| 12:41.21 | FinalX | and more precisely, between 7.0.28-4+deb7u16 (that broke a bunch for us, and we had to pin 7.0.28-4+deb7u15) and 7.0.28-4+deb7u17 ? |
| 12:41.43 | FinalX | I wonder if 7.0.28-4+deb7u17 fixed what we ran in to in 7.0.28-4+deb7u16 :) |
| 12:42.15 | FinalX | because http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/t/tomcat7/tomcat7_7.0.28-4+deb7u17_changelog is broken (linked via https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/tomcat7 ) |
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| 12:43.13 | FinalX | hm, maybe I'll install it in a docker and grab it from /usr/share/doc/tomcat7/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 12:44.04 | n4dir | there is the package changelog (apt-changelog?), but i wouldn't know if you can use it to see the changelog of a given package (but would guess so) |
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| 12:44.31 | n4dir | ah, wheezy .... urgh |
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| 12:44.43 | FinalX | yeah.... just as urgh as running jvm's tbh |
| 12:44.51 | FinalX | but vendor is lax. |
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| 12:55.32 | FinalX | ha, there we go. |
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| 12:56.48 | FinalX | n4dir: "Fix regression introduced by patch for CVE-2017-12617 (Closes: #881162)" .. and that's throwing 404's .. exactly what we had. |
| 12:56.49 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/881162 in tomcat7 (closed, security, pending): «tomcat7: Server reports 404 on any request, even /»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-11-08; last modified: 2017-11-10. |
| 12:56.55 | FinalX | so, excellent :) |
| 12:57.19 | jelly-home | at least your tomcats get patched |
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| 12:58.44 | tw | struts/equifax joke? |
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| 12:59.38 | FinalX | well, it got patched so good that everything gave a 404, no matter what you asked it for :) |
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| 13:07.44 | CuteMeOwnThroat | FinalX, sounds pretty secure |
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| 13:13.16 | archiebald | hello chan ... hope everyone's alright I am a new debian/linux user and I have a bit of a dumb question ... would anyone be so kind as so to lend me 2 minutes of their time to answer it ? thanks a lot, it's regarding the update of a software installed from tarball |
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| 13:16.37 | RoyK | !ask |
| 13:16.38 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:17.40 | abrotman | archiebald: just ask |
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| 13:19.44 | hellyeah | my system is frozen |
| 13:19.55 | archiebald | muhahaha, awesome ... cool |
| 13:19.57 | archiebald | ok so here it is... debian stretch, installed firefox 57beta from tarball into /opt/ folder, used it for a while, changed lots of settings, installed add-ons ... now the stable version is out, I want to install it. will I lose everything (bookmarks, settings, addons) if I install it the same way or do I have to back some stuff up, install it, then copy the stuff I backed up back in the new installed folder? |
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| 13:20.43 | RoyK | archiebald: the settings are stored in your home directory, not under /opt |
| 13:20.58 | RoyK | archiebald: so you shouldn't worry |
| 13:21.16 | RoyK | archiebald: as for addons, I'm not sure |
| 13:21.29 | RoyK | archiebald: but I guess firefox sync should be able to handle that |
| 13:21.45 | archiebald | so when I first installed, I copied the tarball into opt and tarballed it, do you mean it installed setting files into the home directory, am I undestanding this correctly? |
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| 13:22.07 | archiebald | RoyK, yeah about the addons, you make sense |
| 13:22.34 | RoyK | archiebald: firefox itself makes config files under $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/ |
| 13:22.48 | tw | Is there a program that takes midi events and generates waveforms (saw, square, ramp) with parametric waveform filters? Looking for realtime with an external controller. Closest I've found is fluidsynth but that doesn't let you modify the generator easily. |
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| 13:22.51 | RoyK | normally users can't write to /opt anyway |
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| 13:26.41 | archiebald | RoyK, from what I read online, it's the procedure that was advised, copy tar.xz into /opt, tarball the thing, make a link, shabang, Bob's your uncle, it's installed |
| 13:27.05 | archiebald | RoyK, but thanks for the info mate, appreciated |
| 13:27.28 | archiebald | it's a whole new world, still plenty to learn :-) |
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| 13:28.02 | RoyK | archiebald: we all start at a point - from then on, it's only the thing to learn more :) |
| 13:28.26 | RoyK | and beleive me, you never learn it all - the more you learn, the more you understand you don't really know |
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| 13:32.47 | archiebald | RoyK, indeed, can't agree more, and it's true with most things :-) |
| 13:33.54 | archiebald | RoyK, would you, to be safe, copy the current firefox folder, as backup? |
| 13:34.19 | RoyK | won't hurt |
| 13:34.31 | RoyK | cp -a dir newdir |
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| 13:57.40 | plasmoduck | damn |
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| 14:02.17 | CuteMeOwnThroat | oh, urgh. copy and paste stops working in xpra after a time⦠and I guess I just found why: 2017-11-14 15:18:15,164 clipboard toggled to off by the server, reason given:2017-11-14 15:18:15,164 more than 20 clipboard requests per second! |
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| 14:03.15 | CuteMeOwnThroat | why'd that happen |
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| 14:17.40 | g0zzy | I've got c 500GB free on a second disk with Win10 on it ( shot: http://technojeeves.com/tech/free.png ) and i'd like to use say 10GB as swap. Is that possible in any way? |
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| 14:18.50 | ksk | hola. Is there documentation about mysql/mariadb-server on debian? I remember apt asking me for a root-password on older releases, that seems to be handled different now? Just want to make sure my installation is secured so far. |
| 14:19.31 | ksk | apt asked what password to set for mysq-root in older debian releases I mean. |
| 14:20.01 | petn-randall | g0zzy: You could shrink the partition and filesystem, and create a swap partition after the Windows partition. I wouldn't consider putting a swap file on the windows partition safe. |
| 14:21.07 | petn-randall | g0zzy: Are those 500 GB unpartitioned? |
| 14:21.54 | ksk | g0zzy: I would think windows has a built-in "make this partition smaller, add another partition" tool? OSX has that - I would try using that if you need to rezise. |
| 14:21.58 | g0zzy | Well it's free space. There are 3 primaries otherwise |
| 14:22.40 | petn-randall | g0zzy: Then it's pretty easy. Just create a partition with 10 GB in size, format it with mkswap, then add it to your /etc/fstab to be used on every boot. |
| 14:22.43 | ksk | like, you have a device "D:" and 500G "free" or is it "unallocated" in the windows harddrive manager (whatever that was called again..) |
| 14:22.48 | g0zzy | petn-randall: So, that's a yes ;) |
| 14:23.19 | g0zzy | But what about the primary/logical issue? |
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| 14:25.27 | petn-randall | g0zzy: Is that a MSDOS partition table? |
| 14:26.06 | g0zzy | Yes i think so. It certainly doesn't look like a GPT |
| 14:26.29 | petn-randall | g0zzy: Then just created a extended partition. I'd simply do it with gparted. |
| 14:26.49 | g0zzy | I'm actually looking at it at the mo with the stretch installer |
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| 14:29.41 | petn-randall | g0zzy: I guess there's a similar option. Haven't used the installer in a while. |
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| 14:31.24 | g0zzy | I think i need to change it to logical by deleting it first then recreating with the installer. |
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| 14:31.47 | g0zzy | always get nervous about this kind of thing in case Windows throws a fit later |
| 14:32.31 | petn-randall | g0zzy: You could install Windows 10 without GPT?? Or is that an upgrade from an earlier version? |
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| 14:33.29 | g0zzy | I think it is an upgrade, yes. The box was sold as having Win 8 but i find Win 10 on it |
| 14:34.12 | RoyK | sounds like a debian problem (; |
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| 14:35.42 | g0zzy | OK. I've now got a c 500GB logical partition. I can seem to get the installer to create a partition _inside_ that ... |
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| 14:46.54 | Riku | how do I set a package to never try and update? I installed it from a modified .deb specifically to avoid compatibility issues with dependencies in the repos and it's trying to update from repos and install said dependencies |
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| 14:47.49 | DaveG_ | I've installed the openjdk-8-jre-zero, and want to use 'java -zero', the alternative VM, as default. Where do I set that as a default option? Adding "-zero" to JAVA_TOOL_OPTIONS or _JAVA_OPTIONS doesn't seem to work. |
| 14:47.54 | DaveG_ | "-shark ALIASED_TO -zero" to '/etc/java-8-openjdk/jvm-armhf.cfg' doesn't either. |
| 14:48.14 | DaveG_ | THat's all I've found so far as 'possibles' -- though obviously not correct. |
| 14:48.30 | CuteMeOwnThroat | Riku, the recommended way is to increase the patchlevel of the version number when you make a custom package⦠it will get updated, but only if a newer version is in the archives (i.e. on security updates) |
| 14:49.09 | Riku | it's not from the standard repos so I'm worried about security updates to it |
| 14:49.15 | jelly-home | DaveG_: which debian release and architecture is that, armhf? |
| 14:49.28 | jelly-home | ,v openjdk-8-jre-zero --arch armhf |
| 14:49.29 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jre-zero on armhf -- stretch-proposed-updates: 8u151-b12-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 8u151-b12-1~deb9u1; buster: 8u151-b12-1; sid: 8u151-b12-1 |
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| 14:49.52 | CuteMeOwnThroat | it wouldn't try to update from the repos if it wasn't in them⦠|
| 14:49.53 | Riku | *not worried |
| 14:50.06 | Riku | I guess I could just remove the repo it's from |
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| 14:50.54 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Riku about hold |
| 14:51.00 | DaveG_ | jelly-home: stretch, armhf |
| 14:51.23 | DaveG_ | manually using 'java -zero' is doing what I want. Just want to know where to set the default. |
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| 14:52.09 | jonathan_x | Trying to do something in initramfs but not sure script is getting executed. |
| 14:52.09 | Riku | just commenting out the third party repo works for me |
| 14:52.24 | Riku | it's the only package in that entire repo anyway |
| 14:52.25 | jonathan_x | Should local-bottom scripts have rootfs available? |
| 14:52.38 | jonathan_x | I thought I gleaned it would be either /root or $rootmnt |
| 14:53.05 | CuteMeOwnThroat | it's still good practice to change the version in the last bit⦠to something showing that it was modified and possibly who modified it |
| 14:53.37 | Riku | probably yeah |
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| 14:53.45 | Riku | I'm the only one using it so I can't be bothered though |
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| 14:54.18 | CuteMeOwnThroat | well⦠I'd bet a coffe that your future self a year from now might see that differently ^^ |
| 14:54.28 | CuteMeOwnThroat | or maybe two years from now |
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| 14:54.42 | Riku | not planning to update the package |
| 14:54.52 | Riku | if anything I will be replacing it with an older version |
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| 15:31.18 | ksk | mariadb innodb file is named "aria_log.00000001" - known bug? :D |
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| 15:32.07 | petn-randall | ksk: What makes that a bug? |
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| 15:33.45 | ksk | typo? |
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| 15:42.11 | petn-randall | ksk: if you mean "aria", no, it's not a typo: https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/aria-faq/ |
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| 15:55.04 | g0zzy | Hmm that didn't go well. I opted to install grub on the mbr of the SSD (the other disk in the box is spinning rust with Win10) and made the disk bootable and it fell over on boot. Grub rescue prompt |
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| 15:56.08 | g0zzy | The installer will rescue a previous installation? I've never done that before |
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| 15:57.32 | g0zzy | Ooh hang on. I missed the step of installing software - but that's OK isn't it - it will have the base system to boot it? |
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| 15:58.01 | Megaf | g0zzy, likely, if you installed the bootloader |
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| 15:58.39 | g0zzy | I did that explicitly, since i have two disks. It seemed to want to install it on the Win disk, which i didn't want |
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| 16:00.21 | g0zzy | Megaf: will the installer do a rescue then? |
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| 16:05.41 | Megaf | g0zzy, you choose when you want to install |
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| 16:05.54 | Megaf | and you can always unplug the disk if you dont want to touch it |
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| 16:08.34 | ksk | petn-randall: did not know, thanks! |
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| 16:10.39 | salt_irl | fedora |
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| 16:14.27 | jhutchins_wk | g0zzy: grub can hand the boot off to the windows bootloader, so installing on the Windows disk isn't a big deal. |
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| 16:15.07 | jhutchins_wk | g0zzy: One thing that can cause problems is if the install medium being removed causes the disks to be labeled in a different order. (That's why you use UUID) |
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| 16:17.32 | g0zzy | jhutchins_wk: Actually i DID give the partition a label |
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| 16:19.44 | g0zzy | jhutchins_wk: But surely installing in the same MBR as Windows is a no-no? |
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| 16:22.14 | fakefur | hi guys |
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| 16:22.27 | fakefur | anybody know how to get nautilus to show jpg thumbnails? |
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| 16:23.46 | fakefur | i get pdf thumbnails |
| 16:23.51 | fakefur | and video file thumbnails |
| 16:23.57 | fakefur | but nada for actual images |
| 16:24.02 | fakefur | *sigh* |
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| 16:24.15 | jhutchins_wk | g0zzy: Nope. grub or lilo will boot a windows install, but the Windows bootloader won't boot Linux. |
| 16:24.32 | jhutchins_wk | g0zzy: This has been true since the very early days. |
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| 16:25.12 | jhutchins_wk | g0zzy: On modern systems, grub will automatically detect other bootable installations and auto-configure them. |
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| 16:25.41 | jhutchins_wk | g0zzy: You may need to run update-grub after the initial boot to make this work, I suspect this is an intentional feature. |
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| 16:26.12 | jhutchins_wk | g0zzy: There is an "os-prober" grub module that scans the system. |
| 16:26.48 | peterandre | is debian stretch DKMS-enabled by default ? |
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| 16:27.46 | petn-randall | peterandre: If you question is if dkms can be installed, yes. |
| 16:28.08 | peterandre | ok, yes i should have asked that instead ;) |
| 16:28.30 | ivan | fakefur: are your images over 10MB? |
| 16:29.01 | ivan | fakefur: or on a network drive of some sort? |
| 16:30.05 | ivan | you can change some things in dconf to get more thumbnails https://ludios.org/tmp/nautilus%20settings%20Screenshot_2017-03-17_23-44-01.png |
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| 16:30.22 | ivan | unfortunately I found that in some big folders nautilus thumbnail generation broke and so I switched to dolphin |
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| 16:31.34 | peterandre | apt-get install dkms :) got it |
| 16:32.19 | fakefur | ivan, no not even close |
| 16:32.48 | fakefur | brb |
| 16:32.52 | ivan | any useful errors when running nautilus from a terminal? |
| 16:33.15 | tw | Speaking of booting, is there a debian way to deploy kernels as UEFI binaries to the UEFI partition? |
| 16:33.15 | fakefur | ivan, will check that |
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| 16:33.19 | fakefur | thanks |
| 16:34.27 | g0zzy | petn-randall: tbh i was quite surprised. The installer noticed Windows was on there (despite being on another disk) and gave me the option to install explicitly. I chose the SSD with Debian and its MBR for grub. On booting into the new Debian i get the grub emergency prompt |
| 16:36.14 | g0zzy | But i should be able to rescue the new install with the installer should i not? |
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| 16:39.54 | petn-randall | g0zzy: Probably, but hard to say without knowing what went wrong. |
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| 16:41.59 | g0zzy | I'll give it a go |
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| 16:43.55 | jhutchins_wk | !fixgrub |
| 16:43.56 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 16:45.52 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:00.03 | jhutchins_wk | Brigo: It's an alternative if you don't happen to have the installer handy. |
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| 17:00.34 | jhutchins_wk | Besides which, I don't think this is a matter of grub not being on the MBR, it sounds like it can't find the OS> |
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| 17:00.54 | jhutchins_wk | So now we get into using the grub shell to search for the boot partition. |
| 17:01.07 | Brigo | funny :) |
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| 17:05.59 | g0zzy | Yea. The installer let me do it from a shell. Booting now. But even root can't find ifconfig - surely that app's in the base install!? |
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| 17:07.17 | ambient | Howdy, how to rectify this flaming piece of dog crap that persists through reboots: https://pastebin.com/hPhm6LK5 |
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| 17:08.24 | LtL | g0zzy: ifconfig is deprecated and is 'likely' not included in a fresh stretch install. A jessie to stretch upgrade still has ifconfig.. |
| 17:08.46 | n4dir | wasn't ifconfig replaced with ip ? |
| 17:08.53 | g0zzy | In favour of .. ? |
| 17:08.55 | LtL | n4dir: yes sir |
| 17:09.35 | n4dir | :-) |
| 17:09.58 | tw | I just use busybox ifconfig. It's easier to remember one syntax. |
| 17:10.18 | tw | at least for the basics. I don't need the fancy tunny stuff most of the time. |
| 17:10.35 | tw | tunnel |
| 17:10.43 | jelly-home | ,v drbdlinks |
| 17:10.44 | judd | Package: drbdlinks on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.19-1; buster: 1.22-1; jessie: 1.22-1; sid: 1.22-1; stretch: 1.22-1 |
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| 17:11.30 | jelly-home | ambient: do you need that package? |
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| 17:11.56 | ambient | jelly-home, I purged that mofo and I still get the error |
| 17:12.34 | ambient | I think it is a systemd thang |
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| 17:16.54 | petn-randall | ambient: You'll get that error irrelevant of systemd. |
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| 17:17.27 | ambient | It's fun to blame poetering for everything, didn't you know? |
| 17:17.32 | petn-randall | ambient: Look at the logs why the service fails to start or stop. |
| 17:17.32 | ambient | : - ) |
| 17:17.49 | petn-randall | ambient: That got boring a few years ago. Go with the time! |
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| 17:18.08 | petn-randall | is guessing a config error. |
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| 17:22.51 | jhutchins_wk | Possibly a manually deleted file. |
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| 17:23.09 | jhutchins_wk | ambient: Are you on testing? |
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| 17:34.19 | ambient | jhutchins_wk, Yep |
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| 17:38.54 | petn-randall | nullbyte_: blkid does not what? |
| 17:39.51 | ambient | Wait, someone PM's me that installing Gentoo will fix the problem. apt-get install gentoo |
| 17:39.55 | ambient | okay |
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| 17:41.26 | hiole24 | hi, i did not use youtube-dl for a while and now its not working |
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| 17:41.41 | petn-randall | !doesnt work |
| 17:41.41 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 17:41.45 | hiole24 | tried to do an upgrade but still the same problem |
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| 17:42.17 | hiole24 | youtube-dl will only work when i want to download each specific video but i cant download the entire channel |
| 17:42.29 | hiole24 | any idea what should i do ? |
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| 17:43.09 | hiole24 | i dont know if its youtube-dl program or youtube website that tries to prevent people from downloading videos |
| 17:43.14 | Freddie4555 | #List vpn |
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| 17:43.30 | Freddie4555 | list vpn |
| 17:43.40 | petn-randall | Freddie4555: Do you need help? |
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| 17:46.29 | fakefur | can anyone tell me what components are used in thumbnailing? |
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| 17:46.39 | fakefur | still trying to get this working |
| 17:46.49 | fakefur | sighs |
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| 17:47.46 | petn-randall | ,v youtube-dl |
| 17:47.47 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- jessie: 2014.08.05-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2017.05.18.1-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2017.05.18.1-1; buster: 2017.11.06-1; sid: 2017.11.06-1; buster-multimedia: 2017.11.06-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 2017.11.06-dmo1 |
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| 17:48.41 | petn-randall | hiole24: You might want to backport the version from buster on your machine. I'm guessing that youtube changed their page layout and now the screen scraping part doesn't work anymore. |
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| 17:49.18 | hiole24 | let me see what i can do |
| 17:49.40 | petn-randall | !ssb |
| 17:49.40 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 17:49.50 | petn-randall | hiole24: The steps are these here. ^^^ |
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| 17:50.59 | hiole24 | petn-randall its working now |
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| 17:51.17 | hiole24 | guy had the same problem https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl/issues/14094 |
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| 17:51.45 | hiole24 | i would recommend saving this just in case someone has the same problem |
| 17:52.04 | hiole24 | the important thing is now after getting the new version of youtube-dl |
| 17:52.45 | hiole24 | the command to download the video should be youtube-dl <youtube-url> -v |
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| 17:53.22 | hiole24 | google always tries to prevent people from doing anything |
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| 17:54.00 | hiole24 | i hope one day we will never have to see google or any of their products |
| 17:54.02 | petn-randall | hiole24: I think it's more like they don't care if some screen scraping tools break, they only care about users with browsers. |
| 17:54.05 | hiole24 | or services |
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| 17:54.27 | hiole24 | petn-randall they only care about profit |
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| 17:55.16 | hiole24 | if i dont go to their super shitty website to watch the video they dont know who that person is and they cant collect their dox and make money from the advertisers |
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| 17:55.46 | n4dir | dunno. then don't go there? |
| 17:56.21 | hiole24 | yeah i dont, i just download the entire channel and thats it |
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| 17:56.39 | hiole24 | since js is blocked they have no info anyway |
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| 17:59.14 | g0zzy | More woes :( dbus post install script is now hanging |
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| 17:59.47 | g0zzy | /bin/sh /var/lib/dpkg/info/dbus.postinst configure |
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| 18:01.15 | g0zzy | Is Debian now not able to cope with ssh instructions to install packages? |
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| 18:02.20 | greycat | I install and upgrade things on servers over ssh all the time. |
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| 18:03.03 | g0zzy | That's a relief. In this case it's task-mate-desktop |
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| 18:03.49 | petn-randall | "now"? That's always been the case, ever since openssh was added to Debian. |
| 18:04.00 | jhutchins_wk | hiole24: So if you download a whole channel, how do you download later updates without downloading everything? |
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| 18:04.36 | jhutchins_wk | g0zzy: You're installing a desktop over ssh? |
| 18:04.46 | g0zzy | Yes. top shows that effectively dbus.postinst is dead in the water |
| 18:05.24 | g0zzy | jhutchins_wk: Is that too big an ask? |
| 18:05.25 | jhutchins_wk | g0zzy: reinstall? |
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| 18:05.49 | jhutchins_wk | g0zzy: No, it's just counterintuitive. If your interface is ssh, why would you install a desktop. |
| 18:05.53 | greycat | g0zzy: it just doesn't make *sense* |
| 18:06.16 | greycat | I'm curious what petn-randall meant though. |
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| 18:07.49 | n4dir | i understood it as a : you could always do that. Might be, i am overseeing something, but to me it was pretty clear |
| 18:07.52 | g0zzy | jhutchins_wk: It's more convenient than physical access |
| 18:08.30 | petn-randall | Yes, you could always install packages via SSH, ever since apt and SSH existed in Debian. |
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| 18:09.57 | g0zzy | thinks it's looking so borky he's going to go over and nuke task-mate-desktop and start again |
| 18:10.31 | teraflops | you can run debian installer through ssh |
| 18:10.34 | jhutchins_wk | g0zzy: You can kill a task from the CLI, |
| 18:11.11 | jhutchins_wk | g0zzy: We're wondering why you would want a desktop on a remote system. |
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| 18:12.10 | teraflops | why not? |
| 18:12.56 | greycat | because you'll never be able to use it? |
| 18:13.18 | teraflops | are you guys being serious? |
| 18:13.18 | n4dir | he probably doesn't always want to use it remote, via ssh. He only does the actual installation of mate via ssh. |
| 18:13.37 | n4dir | could also be useful to use vns or such in the future, i guess. |
| 18:13.51 | teraflops | and it does not make any difference regarding package installation |
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| 18:14.47 | n4dir | vnc, urgh |
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| 18:15.08 | teraflops | so my father who lives 5k Km from here and run debian wants to run mate, do I have to travek there for installing it? :P |
| 18:15.33 | JustASlacker | just 5km? just run over |
| 18:15.33 | teraflops | excuse my typos |
| 18:15.41 | teraflops | no 5k km |
| 18:15.42 | JustASlacker | its healthy |
| 18:15.44 | JustASlacker | oh+ |
| 18:15.54 | n4dir | tell your father he shall not use mate, as a first step towards enlightenment. |
| 18:16.03 | JustASlacker | well, could be healthy. take some water and food with you |
| 18:16.10 | teraflops | actually he runs gnome :D |
| 18:16.22 | n4dir | it gets worse ... muah-ha-ha. |
| 18:16.36 | teraflops | hehe |
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| 18:17.33 | frazr | colleague thinks i should use kubuntu |
| 18:17.34 | frazr | :D |
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| 18:17.47 | greycat | You'd still need to be physically at the machine to make sure the fucking display manager actually WORKS when you reboot it, because as we all know from hanging out here, a HUGE fraction of the time, after installing something X-ish on stretch, the DM hangs or locks up or bursts into flame. |
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| 18:19.49 | jhutchins_wk | teraflops: Yeah, I was wondering if he was installing remotely for local use, or if he was one of those Windows admins who thinks you need a full desktop gui to admin the system by vnc. |
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| 18:20.56 | n4dir | didn't realize it yet, but found another good reason not to use a DM. |
| 18:21.06 | teraflops | jhutchins_wk: yeah I get it, and greycat had a point too |
| 18:21.20 | teraflops | startx is fine if you ask me |
| 18:22.33 | n4dir | someone said something bout logind (?) or such not working properly if you don't use a DM, but i have seen no problems yet. that is: there might be reasons for a DM |
| 18:22.53 | greycat | I think you have it backwards. GNOME requires systemd-logind. |
| 18:23.02 | greycat | Or something like that. |
| 18:23.50 | g0zzy | Yes. I just purged the whole of task-mate-desktop and now reinstalling. Physically |
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| 18:24.57 | g0zzy | is NOT one of those Windows admins. Or any kind (apart from unwilling) Windows admin ;) |
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| 18:27.03 | n4dir | greycat: i thought of it being gnome, but didn't want to look as if i wanted to bash gnome (and mainly not, as i was not sure). Anyway: thanks, probably like that |
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| 18:43.44 | jhutchins | ,v firefox |
| 18:43.45 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 57.0-1 |
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| 18:46.08 | jhutchins | Strnge, I have 52.4. |
| 18:46.36 | greycat | firefox-esr != firefox-release != firefox |
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| 18:47.14 | Marbug | Hi, I just created a debian container in lxc with lxc_container. But when I'm running container_command there doesn't seem to be any networking. Right afterwards there is but I need it on the time of container_command. Anyways, when I tried to debug there doesn't seem to be less available on the system, needed for journalctl -xe as I found out that starting networking faild. Although without less on the system I can't see what the error might be, is there |
| 18:47.20 | Marbug | any way to see anything on some other way? |
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| 19:01.43 | LtL | runs firefox 57.0 (64-bit) and it's sweet. |
| 19:02.06 | greycat | I saw a television commercial for Firefox last night. It was unexpected. |
| 19:02.24 | Halcy0n | That's odd |
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| 19:02.46 | greycat | They're really campaigning behind this new version. |
| 19:02.55 | LtL | firefox is touting this new 'Quantum' verion |
| 19:04.56 | LtL | *version |
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| 19:06.01 | n4dir | as long it crashes every now and then i am happy with any version of firefox |
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| 19:14.23 | LtL | n4dir: i never use the 'cra$h' word, so it never happens, now i've probably hexed myself |
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| 19:16.25 | EvanCarroll | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/404660/does-debian-have-a-perl-style-guide |
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| 19:18.45 | _rubik | this may be off topic, but what are peoples thoughts on firefox 57? |
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| 19:21.07 | hanckmannp_ | Hi. I just did a minimal server install of debian 9.2 and I want to run some python3 applications from a virtualenv. However, pip keeps throwing: error: invalid command 'bdist_wheel |
| 19:21.10 | hanckmannp_ | Any ideas? |
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| 19:25.23 | annadane | _rubik, i like it, it's really nice. that said, there's an off topic channel: #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:38.06 | Klaus_Dieter | plugins have been the strength of firefox. Firefox57 now breaks compatibility with blugins like vimperator. this ais a showstopper for me... :/ |
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| 19:39.06 | MicroMars | Klaus_Dieter, i think things need to change |
| 19:39.23 | MicroMars | but i agree that it's a bit sad that some extentions don't work anymore |
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| 19:39.59 | MicroMars | but i think if Mozilla gave no deadline, even short it was, no-one will change |
| 19:40.11 | MicroMars | (sorry for ugly english) |
| 19:40.47 | tremolo | Pocket has reappeared. This displeases me. |
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| 19:43.45 | Irishluck83 | is it possible for the wifi cards to be there for the intial install |
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| 19:47.16 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 19:47.16 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
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| 19:47.39 | somiaj | Irishluck83: there are 'unoffical' images that contain the firmware needed for most wifi cards. |
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| 19:54.15 | Irishluck83 | oh do you know the site |
| 19:54.43 | greycat | !firmware installer |
| 19:54.43 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 19:55.19 | somiaj | Irishluck83: the bots factoid gave the url of said image |
| 19:58.13 | Irishluck83 | ok thanks |
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| 21:19.00 | blawiz | is a very minimal xorg, what copies the selected text to primary? |
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| 21:21.07 | greycat | highlighting with the mouse (button 1) |
| 21:21.53 | greycat | but it depends on the client program; not all clients allow you to copy all text |
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| 21:25.54 | blawiz | i dont have too many applications installed, but it seems to work in urxvt, to copy from, but not from qutebrowser |
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| 21:29.27 | blawiz | hmm text selection seems to copy to "clipboard" too :S |
| 21:30.57 | greycat | Unix has a notion of separating "primary" and "secondary" buffers but applications do not use them consistently. Most traditional apps like terminal emulators just act like there's only one clipboard and everyone's happy... then web browsers that also get used by Windows people come along and ruin everything. |
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| 21:36.51 | annadane | buffers such as copy + paste being one buffer and highlight-to-copy being another? |
| 21:37.00 | annadane | or rather, right click copy being the former |
| 21:37.15 | annadane | hold that thought, need to reboot |
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| 21:40.39 | annadane | okay, back, if you wanted to answer |
| 21:41.54 | altab | Hello, I have a problem with my /etc/crontab file, I accidentally deleted it so I add a new crontab file with the command crontab -u root /etc/crontab. When I check with crontab -l, the content of this file is correctly listed but after one minute (approx.), the crontab -l output says "no crontab for root" - https://pastebin.com/XfbjnNNh |
| 21:41.58 | annadane | or just ignore me, i don't really care :P |
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| 21:46.25 | greycat | altab: /etc/crontab and "the crontab that you get with crontab -e/-l" are two completely separate files, with different formats. |
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| 21:47.17 | altab | greycat different or not, tasks listed in the file are not executed |
| 21:47.36 | greycat | if you used the crontab -e format for /etc/crontab then that would explain it |
| 21:47.52 | greycat | /etc/crontab has an extra field (username) |
| 21:48.10 | altab | greycat that's not the problem, the problem is : why does the system "reset" the crontab files |
| 21:48.27 | greycat | I have absolutely no clue what you did or why you did it. |
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| 21:48.48 | greycat | restore your /etc/crontab from a backup, or extract it out of the cron package and just cp it in place |
| 21:49.07 | greycat | Do NOT attempt to use the crontab -e command to write to it. |
| 21:49.10 | altab | greycat I edit a file with nano (/etc/crontab or other way), I add it with crontab -u root $path_to_the_file, then during 1 min, I can list the cron file correctly (crontab -l), I can edit the crontab correctly (crontab -e) but after 1 min, cron says there is no file |
| 21:49.43 | greycat | I have absolutely NO IDEA what these crazy-ass crontab -u commands do. |
| 21:50.53 | Ilyas | I know this may be a loaded/contentious question but: whats the best desktop environment for a Debian n00b like myself, coming from a Windows ? |
| 21:51.03 | greycat | If you create a personal crontab for root by running "crontab -e" as root, it creates the file /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root |
| 21:51.08 | Ilyas | is GNOME still ok? or something else these days? |
| 21:51.24 | greycat | This is NOT the same as /etc/crontab and it does NOT have the same format as /etc/crontab. |
| 21:52.20 | greycat | The standard Debian /etc/crontab just has four run-parts commands for cron.hourly, cron.daily, cron.weekly and cron.month.y |
| 21:52.29 | altab | greycat the problem is the same : I add some tasks to the crontab with crontab -e, then I edit it again few minutes after and the cron is empty |
| 21:52.43 | greycat | Undo whatever you did. |
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| 21:53.17 | altab | I rm'd the /etc/crontab file |
| 21:53.27 | greycat | /etc/crontab should be a plain file. /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root should be a plain file, or nonexistent. |
| 21:55.08 | altab | few minutes after adding some tasks with crontab -e : crontab -e |
| 21:55.08 | altab | no crontab for root - using an empty one |
| 21:55.28 | greycat | checks the man pages. "crontab -u root /etc/crontab" says "copy the input file /etc/crontab to the personal crontab of user root" |
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| 21:55.49 | greycat | so when you ran that, god only knows what happened |
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| 21:56.33 | altab | greycat the /var/spool/../root is OK during 1 min (cat, content is OK), then, after, there is no more /var/spool/../root file |
| 21:57.15 | greycat | any useful messages in systemctl status cron? or /var/log/*? or journalctl whatever it is? |
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| 22:02.01 | altab | greycat nope |
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| 22:02.55 | greycat | What *I* would do is: make a backup of whatever you've got; apt-get --reinstall --download-only install cron; this should leave the cron*.deb file on your system ready to go. Then dpkg --purge --force-depends cron; then apt-get install cron |
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| 22:03.39 | greycat | That should *HOPEFULLY* put you back in the initial state, with a standard /etc/crontab file and no personal crontab files. |
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| 22:04.21 | altab | ok I'll try this, thank you greycat |
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| 22:05.04 | greycat | googling for "debian crontab disappearing" came up with some forum post from someone using Google Drive, so you might also ask yourself "Am I on AWS or some other cloud thing, and is that interfering somehow" |
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| 22:07.13 | kidney_thief | hi, what is the easiest way to add an extra file into initrd to be available during early boot? the initramfs-tools way :) |
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| 22:13.32 | kidney_thief | ah, yes write a hook. gawd, arch does this so much simpler |
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| 22:39.01 | Ilyas | hi, I just installed a fresh debian 9 box, but my user doesnt have sudo rights |
| 22:39.06 | Ilyas | how can this be? |
| 22:39.20 | apollo13 | check which groups it is a member of |
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| 22:39.42 | psychoticwarrior | look at /etc/sudoers |
| 22:39.46 | psychoticwarrior | and change it |
| 22:39.52 | apollo13 | if he is not in the sudo group you will not be able to sudo |
| 22:39.58 | apollo13 | assuming you didn't touch sudoers |
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| 22:40.15 | Ilyas | I have not trouched it yet. I just installed and booted into my vm |
| 22:40.32 | Ilyas | the installed asked for a root password, which I have, and created a user + password, which I log in with |
| 22:40.39 | psychoticwarrior | user ALL=(ALL:ALL ALL |
| 22:40.41 | apollo13 | well how did you create your user |
| 22:40.43 | psychoticwarrior | change user to your user |
| 22:40.48 | Ilyas | via the installer |
| 22:40.49 | apollo13 | no don't do that |
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| 22:40.57 | apollo13 | add the user to the sudo group |
| 22:41.11 | Ilyas | I assumedd my user account would get sudo rights, because we're not supposed to log in as root etc |
| 22:41.13 | apollo13 | mhm not sure under which conditions the installer makes a user sudoable |
| 22:41.41 | psychoticwarrior | add the user to /etc/sudoers |
| 22:41.48 | apollo13 | sigh, no |
| 22:41.50 | Ilyas | how? |
| 22:41.54 | Ilyas | I dont have sudo rights |
| 22:41.59 | Sveta | doesn't it make the first user sudoable |
| 22:42.03 | Ilyas | it does not |
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| 22:42.17 | Sveta | doesn't it ask you to specify the root password then |
| 22:42.25 | apollo13 | Ilyas: log in as root |
| 22:42.28 | Sveta | yes |
| 22:42.31 | Ilyas | oh |
| 22:42.38 | apollo13 | but if you specified a root password during the installation I do not think that the user will have sudo |
| 22:42.46 | psychoticwarrior | if your having problems. edit the kernel line linux. change it to init=/bin/bash |
| 22:42.48 | Sveta | you must log in as root to grant users sudo |
| 22:42.56 | psychoticwarrior | at the very end |
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| 22:42.58 | psychoticwarrior | my bad |
| 22:42.59 | Sveta | no need to edit the kernel yet |
| 22:43.02 | Ilyas | I specified a root password, my user did not get sudo rights. |
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| 22:43.04 | psychoticwarrior | ok |
| 22:43.25 | Ilyas | but I get it, I'll log in as root and try it then. is there as specific command or do I need to edit some file? |
| 22:43.29 | Sveta | Ilyas: you have access to a user named 'root', whose password you know; this 'root' account has full access to everything |
| 22:43.30 | apollo13 | Ilyas: once you are root something along the lines of usermod -a -G sudo your_username should do it |
| 22:43.40 | Sveta | yes, `usermod -a -G sudo your_username` would do |
| 22:43.46 | Ilyas | tnx, lemme try |
| 22:43.54 | Sveta | you can use `id your_username` to check that it worked |
| 22:43.58 | Sveta | when logged in as root |
| 22:44.05 | Sveta | it will show your user is in the sudo group |
| 22:45.10 | Ilyas | Sveta: that seems to have done the trick, thanks |
| 22:45.22 | Sveta | thank to apollo13, I just repeated what he said |
| 22:45.28 | psychoticwarrior | sweet good job |
| 22:45.29 | Sveta | enjoy though :) |
| 22:45.33 | Ilyas | why is this needed btw? isn't it more logical to give the first user sudo rights? seem like that would save al ot of hassle |
| 22:45.49 | Sveta | it is expected that your first user is not an admin, just a normal user |
| 22:45.55 | Sveta | and when it needs to admin things it logs in as root |
| 22:45.55 | Ilyas | oh |
| 22:45.57 | psychoticwarrior | yes by changing the /etc/sudoers would work |
| 22:46.07 | apollo13 | psychoticwarrior: again, no |
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| 22:46.08 | Ilyas | intersting |
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| 22:46.13 | Sveta | psychoticwarrior: I think `visudo` is preferred to editing the file directly |
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| 22:46.25 | psychoticwarrior | yes but that doesnt mess up the system |
| 22:46.28 | psychoticwarrior | it still works |
| 22:46.29 | apollo13 | generally for a normal system there is no need to edit sudoers |
| 22:46.37 | psychoticwarrior | ok thats fine |
| 22:46.38 | Sveta | psychoticwarrior: and it is a different path -- you can add group 'users' or group 'sveta' to the sudoers file |
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| 22:46.45 | Sveta | psychoticwarrior: but as it already has group 'sudo' on it, adding the user to the sudo group is a bit easier |
| 22:46.55 | apollo13 | Ilyas: the installer has two options or so, you might have selected the wrong one |
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| 22:47.11 | Ilyas | apollo13: oh. at what step? |
| 22:47.30 | apollo13 | Ilyas: no idea, it has been ages since I've looked at the steps |
| 22:47.45 | Sveta | psychoticwarrior: (then if one of the users on the system has abused sudo access or said they no longer need it, removing them from the sudo group is easier than editing the sudoers file, it's kinda less overhead this way) |
| 22:48.00 | psychoticwarrior | true |
| 22:48.07 | psychoticwarrior | but it doesnt take much to edit the sudoers file |
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| 22:48.25 | psychoticwarrior | its very simple and can be added without issues as long as you explain it the right way |
| 22:48.30 | Sveta | psychoticwarrior: it's confusing for people, easier to typo, and gets messy when there's many users, which is why I think it is not preferred by everyone |
| 22:48.38 | psychoticwarrior | true |
| 22:48.39 | psychoticwarrior | i agree |
| 22:48.41 | Sveta | :) |
| 22:48.45 | psychoticwarrior | may be too complicated for some |
| 22:48.55 | apollo13 | Ilyas: I am actually surprised that it created an user at all, the default choices are either root with password or an extra user with sudo privs, dunno where you went a-wall |
| 22:49.08 | psychoticwarrior | i had an interview with a tech company today. hope i get the job? |
| 22:49.11 | psychoticwarrior | !! |
| 22:49.11 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 22:49.51 | Sveta | psychoticwarrior: on a related note, if someone made a change, you don't know what change they made -- if you have a few sudo users on your system, I give sudo access to you, and other admins of the box won't know what I did apart from knowing that I edited the file. Then if whoever I gave access to does something harmful, it will be unclear who has responsibility. |
| 22:50.07 | Sveta | psychoticwarrior: if I did it using 'usermod', my command would be logged, and everyone would know what I did. |
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| 22:50.44 | Sveta | psychoticwarrior: good luck with that company, you sound pretty well informed and you talk about the stuff well :) |
| 22:50.44 | apollo13 | Sveta: unless they edited /etc/group manually, also logs can be deleted especially if they already have sudo rights ;) |
| 22:50.53 | Ilyas | apollo13: I gave the root user a password, and the nextstep was to create a user user |
| 22:51.05 | Ilyas | I gave both a password |
| 22:51.08 | apollo13 | weird, but as I said I am talking from memory |
| 22:51.11 | Sveta | apollo13: they can edit /etc/group, but nobody would know whom they added to what group, only know that they changed 'something' |
| 22:51.14 | Ilyas | perhaps I misunderstood the process |
| 22:51.17 | apollo13 | I usually kickstart the installs |
| 22:51.23 | Ilyas | it's fine though now, just unexpected |
| 22:51.32 | psychoticwarrior | yes /etc/group i agree |
| 22:51.33 | Ilyas | I'm a n00b at this, I can't automate the installs yet |
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| 22:51.36 | Ilyas | one step at a time |
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| 22:51.59 | Ilyas | next step is to get Vritualbox guest additions working in my VM |
| 22:52.05 | Ilyas | last time I tried this the VM exploded |
| 22:52.06 | Ilyas | ._. |
| 22:52.12 | Sveta | Ilyas: I think you misunderstood it, and perhaps the installer had an option of not using the root user like apollo13 said, but you missed that option |
| 22:52.19 | Sveta | Ilyas: in any case, it is all perfect now, you're all set :) |
| 22:52.25 | Ilyas | ya, thankees |
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| 22:53.26 | Sveta | :-) |
| 22:53.35 | psychoticwarrior | how ya doin Sveta |
| 22:53.40 | psychoticwarrior | i like that vodka |
| 22:54.33 | Ilyas | so, anyone familiar with getting guest additions working in Virtualbox? |
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| 22:54.45 | Sveta | maybe, why do you ask? |
| 22:54.46 | Ilyas | note: Debian is the VM(guest) |
| 22:55.05 | Sveta | go on :) |
| 22:55.06 | Ilyas | because I want to do that, but the process isn't as straightforward as on a windows host |
| 22:55.14 | Ilyas | er, guest |
| 22:55.30 | apollo13 | Ilyas: insert the cd |
| 22:55.32 | apollo13 | mount it |
| 22:55.37 | Ilyas | ok |
| 22:55.42 | apollo13 | then just execute the install script in the linux subfolder |
| 22:55.46 | apollo13 | it should take care of the rest |
| 22:56.21 | Ilyas | error"can't find the autorun program |
| 22:57.55 | Ilyas | looks like the terminal can't handle the script |
| 22:58.01 | apollo13 | ⦠|
| 22:58.11 | apollo13 | there is an sh script in the linux subfolder |
| 22:58.14 | apollo13 | named install.sh or so |
| 22:58.21 | Ilyas | autorun.sh ? |
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| 22:58.37 | apollo13 | no, install.sh or so |
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| 22:59.17 | Ilyas | nah, there is an autorun.sh and a VBoxLinuxAdditions.run file, among others |
| 22:59.17 | rant | iirc guest additions are in debian and install by default |
| 22:59.34 | rant | the issue would be making sure you use the same version of VBox as debian has |
| 22:59.52 | rant | the .run file is the installer |
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| 23:01.55 | Ilyas | hmm..this is complicated. let me see... I |
| 23:02.03 | rant | ,info virtualbox-guest-dkms |
| 23:02.04 | judd | No package named 'virtualbox-guest-dkms' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 23:02.29 | apollo13 | ah, I mixed it up with the xenserver driver disks |
| 23:02.33 | apollo13 | they do have a linux folder :D |
| 23:02.46 | Ilyas | I'm using Vbox 5.2, Debian 9.2 |
| 23:02.49 | rant | ,info virtualbox-guest-dkms contrib |
| 23:02.51 | judd | No package named 'virtualbox-guest-dkms' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 23:03.09 | Ilyas | the vbox websites has a cd with guest additions for this version on vbox, which I have now too |
| 23:03.18 | Ilyas | I should insert that into the vm I guess? |
| 23:03.29 | apollo13 | rant: I think it is no longer in stable? |
| 23:03.41 | rant | apollo13: either that or the bot doesnt have contrib sources |
| 23:03.52 | apollo13 | yes and then execute it and run VBoxLinuxAdditions.run |
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| 23:04.18 | rant | ,v virtualbox |
| 23:04.20 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.1.30-dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 5.2.0-dfsg-2; sid/contrib: |
| 23:04.21 | judd | 5.2.0-dfsg-5 |
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| 23:04.34 | apollo13 | rant: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=794466 |
| 23:04.37 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/794466 in src:virtualbox (open, stretch, sid, buster): «virtualbox: might not be suitable for stable releases due to lack of cooperation from upstream on security support for older releases»; severity: important; opened: 2015-08-03; last modified: 2017-08-28. |
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| 23:05.07 | rant | yes seems virtualbox isnt in stretch at all I guess |
| 23:05.21 | Ilyas | that's fine, I dont want to use virtualbox inside Debian, I'm using it to run debian as a guest vm |
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| 23:05.37 | rant | which is why it didnt just auto-install the guest additions like I'm used to it doing when I ran debian as a guest before |
| 23:05.45 | Ilyas | oh |
| 23:05.51 | Ilyas | that's related after all ? |
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| 23:07.12 | rant | the process of getting the iso from upstream, mounting it and running their installer though is fairly straightforward |
| 23:07.41 | rant | it just used to be a whole lot simpler when virtualbox was in debian.. it would detect it and install the guest additions automatically |
| 23:08.57 | rant | Ilyas: might be worth trying a testing installer and see if that happens.. afterall its a good platform to help debian by running testing.. the VM can help one avoid issues with snapshots |
| 23:08.59 | Brigo | rant, virtualbox is not in debian? |
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| 23:09.30 | rant | Brigo: apparently as we just covered above, it was removed from stretch due to lack of security support for older releases from upstream |
| 23:09.42 | Brigo | rant, didn't kown that. |
| 23:09.49 | Brigo | it is in backports thought |
| 23:09.51 | rant | neither did I until just now |
| 23:10.41 | rant | ,info virtualbox-guest-dkms stretch-backports |
| 23:10.43 | judd | Package virtualbox-guest-dkms (contrib/kernel, optional) in stretch-backports/amd64: x86 virtualization solution - guest addition module source for dkms. Version: 5.1.30-dfsg-1~bpo9+1; Size: 584.5k; Installed: 4550k; Homepage: http://www.virtualbox.org/ |
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| 23:11.07 | rant | thats still older than the version he's using (5.2) which is in buster |
| 23:11.24 | Ilyas | who/what is buster? |
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| 23:11.50 | rant | Ilyas: its the current testing and next/future stable release of Debian |
| 23:12.10 | Ilyas | ah. is it always called buster? or just this particular one |
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| 23:12.25 | Brigo | Ilyas, just this one |
| 23:12.35 | rant | Ilyas: no, testing releases are given normal release names as they come out, only unstable always keeps the name sid |
| 23:12.36 | Brigo | Ilyas, testing is the real name. |
| 23:13.33 | rant | if it were me, I'd run testing or unstable in a VM.. help discover bugs in Debian where its much easier to recover from issues using the VMs snapshot features |
| 23:14.15 | rant | if I wanted a stable Debian system I'd be running it natively |
| 23:14.19 | Ilyas | in the future, perhaps. right now, I want to get a VM up and running to start Pythonining/Linuxing in :) |
| 23:14.39 | rant | Ilyas: you familiar with python or just learning? |
| 23:15.01 | Ilyas | just learning |
| 23:15.07 | Ilyas | but I also want to learn Linux |
| 23:15.12 | rant | Ilyas: what sort of things are you interested in coding? |
| 23:15.18 | Ilyas | so why not kill two stones with one bird |
| 23:15.24 | Ilyas | network automation, in particular |
| 23:15.55 | Ilyas | but I want to get more feeling for coding in general. seems like a good skill to have |
| 23:15.58 | rant | so you'd be learning something like twisted, flask, kline, or such I guess |
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| 23:17.35 | rant | I ask mostly because I've started a project with the aim to provide an integrated support system for Debian and we need coders and more input.. and you being new might offer perspective |
| 23:18.02 | rant | the plan is to code the software stuff in python |
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| 23:18.36 | Ilyas | ah |
| 23:18.50 | Ilyas | it sounds above my scope and out of my paygrade, for now |
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| 23:19.43 | rant | yeah well mine too which is why I haven't made it already :P but it would involve a lot of network type stuff and at this phase just noodling and sharing ideas and experience with debian and the support community would be helpful if you're at all interested |
| 23:20.38 | Ilyas | it sounds like a good initiative, but not right now for me |
| 23:20.53 | Ilyas | thanks for pointing it out tho |
| 23:21.42 | rant | fair enough.. I obviously need seasoned coders but input from new users with their take on Debian's support resources and such is also important in planning |
| 23:21.54 | Ilyas | oh, I got it working! I followed this guide |
| 23:21.56 | Ilyas | https://www.linuxbabe.com/debian/install-virtualbox-guest-additions-debian-9-stretch |
| 23:22.17 | Ilyas | there are some steps about adding stuff to build kernel modules(?) |
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| 23:22.28 | Ilyas | otherswise, the vbox files won't run |
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| 23:23.23 | rant | dpkg, stretch-vbox-guest is Ilyas> oh, I got it working! I followed this guide https://www.linuxbabe.com/debian/install-virtualbox-guest-additions-debian-9-stretch |
| 23:23.23 | dpkg | rant: okay |
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| 23:24.03 | rant | Ilyas: build-essential probably, yes |
| 23:24.13 | rant | and kernel headers |
| 23:24.24 | Ilyas | why is this neccesary? |
| 23:24.33 | Ilyas | (curious, not angry) |
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| 23:25.26 | rant | Ilyas: well on systems like windows you have one kernel.. but on Debian there are all sorts of different kernels and versions, so you need to compile the drivers from source for the specific kernel used.. so its compatible.. so you need the compiler toolchain and the headers for the kernel in use to build against |
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| 23:26.13 | Ilyas | oh, so I got sourcecode instead of binaries just now?(vbox guest additions) |
| 23:26.17 | rant | Debian runs on more than just linux and has multiple different versions of the linux kernel.. one kernel is not binary compatible with another so the drivers need to be compiled against the right kernel |
| 23:26.46 | rant | Ilyas: the linux version of the additions (drivers) installs them this way for that reason.. binary ones wouldnt be very distributable across linux distros |
| 23:27.06 | Ilyas | oh. that makes sense I guess. thanks |
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| 23:27.35 | rant | its the same way with any drivers.. nvidia's installer for their driver has some pre-packaged ones but if they dont match your running kernel it needs to compile |
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| 23:28.33 | rant | Ilyas: curiosity may have killed that proverbial cat, but it makes a good linux user ;) |
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| 23:29.33 | rant | Ilyas: I'd recommend you keep yourself here in #debian and also in #python and stay curious |
| 23:29.52 | Ilyas | thanks. having used Windows almost exclusively, it kinda shapes the way you think about OS'es |
| 23:29.57 | Ilyas | well, at least for me |
| 23:30.02 | Ilyas | yeah I'll stick around here |
| 23:30.18 | rant | yes linux helps you learn more about how an OS works as its designed to be a programmers OS |
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| 23:31.29 | rant | I personally enjoyed O'Reilly's Understanding The Linux Kernel for really groking the innards.. they have a hard time keeping up with the latest kernel as its such a fast moving codebase, but its a very detailed and easy to understand guide to how linux kernel works |
| 23:32.39 | Sveta | I have not seen kernel act up yet so I haven't got around to figuring out how it works |
| 23:32.43 | dTal | NERD |
| 23:32.47 | Sveta | just use debian as a desktop at home |
| 23:33.10 | Sveta | although that involves learning to break things too, the stuff I'm using has a few bugs due to the very specific manner in which I'm using it |
| 23:33.28 | Ilyas | hrm....I celebrated too early it seems |
| 23:33.31 | Sveta | not programming yet though I just reproduce the bugs and provide them to the developers so that they fix it |
| 23:33.35 | Sveta | what happened Ilyas? |
| 23:33.40 | Ilyas | my vm now just becomes unresponsive after a few minutes |
| 23:33.52 | Sveta | that's not nice, do you know what resources limit it hits? |
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| 23:34.28 | Ilyas | I do not, but I think I gave it enough ram/hdd/cpu |
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| 23:36.33 | rant | Ilyas: did you open a heafty program like firefox? |
| 23:36.47 | Ilyas | firefox, ye |
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| 23:36.53 | rant | yeah that'll do it :P |
| 23:37.02 | Ilyas | o_O |
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| 23:37.36 | esd | hello |
| 23:37.37 | rant | firefox needs a lot of ram.. which is why I stick to links2 on my orangepilite that only has 512mb total |
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| 23:38.25 | Ilyas | I gave the VM 4 GB of ram, is that not enough? |
| 23:38.35 | rant | ah.. 4gb is enough, yes |
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| 23:39.52 | rant | Ilyas: how much ram does your system have total? |
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| 23:39.59 | Ilyas | 16G |
| 23:40.14 | Ilyas | on the host, that is |
| 23:40.24 | rant | ah well then you still had 12GB left for the host.. should be enough even for windows :P |
| 23:40.41 | Ilyas | yeah, windows runs like a charm, no issue there |
| 23:40.51 | rant | you need a resource monitor to gague what resources are lacking on the VM side |
| 23:40.53 | somiaj | firefox has a big foot print, a big thing is multiple tabs. It isn't 'too' bad for a single tab open (but still could be 50megs or so and certain pages could eat up way more) |
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| 23:41.38 | rant | yes the modern web is resource hungry in general.. very JS heavy |
| 23:42.38 | somiaj | Yup, partly because veryone just uses large js libaries to make things easier. Lets load the whole jquery libary just to move one widget on my webpage. |
| 23:42.44 | rant | a system can only handle so many layers of vm nesting.. heh. JS is a VM, in a sense a browser is a VM.. etc |
| 23:43.41 | Ilyas | bah, froze again. no indication that CPU or RAM were maxed out :( |
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| 23:44.17 | rant | Ilyas: did you check stats on host side as well? Ctrl+Shift+Esc in windows |
| 23:44.19 | Ilyas | I think this also happened without firefox running |
| 23:44.36 | Ilyas | yes, nothing out of the ordinary on the host |
| 23:46.04 | rant | I tend to use MATE when I use a full DE and it has that process monitor applet and by default it doesn't show IO wait, it has it same color as BG color.. and I reconfigure that because IO is more serious than normal CPU usage.. IO is typically throwing interrupts and can involve locking mechanisms and is typically uniterruptable |
| 23:46.24 | rant | most resource monitors tend to not show the IO waits |
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| 23:47.38 | rant | Ilyas: do you know if your CPU supports virtualization and if the VM has virt enabled? |
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| 23:48.02 | qmr | Why is automatic partitioning following the retarded advice of swap=ram? I do not need 512GB of swap |
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| 23:48.12 | Ilyas | it does and it's turned on |
| 23:48.30 | rant | qmr: one very common use of ram is for suspend/hibernate which requires at least swap=ram |
| 23:48.51 | rant | qmr: people who aren't "retarded" as you put it usually don't use automatic partitioning |
| 23:49.05 | somiaj | qmr: as rant said, for those who hibernate their system, you need enough swap to put the current use fo ram on. |
| 23:49.24 | Ilyas | btw, how can I wean debian off the installed CD I originally used? |
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| 23:49.35 | somiaj | plus it is a standard that should work for lots of systems, what about the system with only 2gigs of ram, and then come to some reasonable default. |
| 23:49.35 | Ilyas | I want apt-get to only use network sources from now on |
| 23:49.36 | rant | yeah s/ram is/swap is/ |
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| 23:49.55 | somiaj | Ilyas: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the cdrom entry, then run 'apt update' |
| 23:50.16 | rant | Ilyas: edit /etc/apt/sources.list or look under repositories in the synaptic settings |
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| 23:50.56 | Ilyas | thanks |
| 23:51.12 | Ilyas | syslog does say this: gnome-terminal-[986]: Allocating size to GtkScrollbar 0x555cda4a42a0 without calling gtk_widget_get_preferred_width/height(). How does the code know the size to allocate? |
| 23:51.19 | Ilyas | dunno if it's relevant |
| 23:52.18 | rant | probably just goes to a hardcoded default or based on window size |
| 23:52.45 | rant | that hardly seems a syslog worthy entry to me.. heh |
| 23:53.07 | rant | GUI apps frequently have messages like that which are mostly useless information |
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