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| 00:31.26 | qu1nn | does anyone have a suggestion for a good indexing application to make searching for content within files quick and easy. about 3 TB of files, thanks |
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| 01:06.02 | linurandy | someone help me with my bluetooth? |
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| 01:11.33 | awal1 | your exact question |
| 01:12.07 | awal1 | i dont use bluetoth myself :P |
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| 01:13.43 | linurandy | for some moment my bluetooth look like it worked but not anymore |
| 01:14.26 | linurandy | awal1: i run hcitool dev and nothing |
| 01:14.33 | linurandy | before do it |
| 01:15.58 | awal1 | linurandy, I have no clue myself about bluetooth, oters ay help if you you explain your issue |
| 01:16.03 | awal1 | !ask |
| 01:16.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 01:16.54 | linurandy | ok, thanks |
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| 01:21.14 | linurandy | I have a problem with my bluetooth BCM43142; I'm running Debian version 9.2. When I try to on my bluetooth for my wireless headphone nothing happen, I run hcitool dev command and not devices appear, but form a moment appeared. |
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| 01:24.59 | Dreaman | Firmware |
| 01:25.23 | Dreaman | i not install debian no work in my laptop |
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| 01:25.37 | Dreaman | no internet is a jocke |
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| 01:53.43 | ryouma | in jessie firefox-esr (52.4.0) there is a forum site that never loads. it loads fine in chromium and even tor browser. i tried safe mode with private browsing and it does not load. sometimes forever and sometimes says connection was reset. i am told this might be a distro build issue? |
| 01:53.51 | ryouma | any clues? |
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| 01:54.32 | awal1 | which site |
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| 01:55.38 | ryouma | i'm reluctant to say as it's medical, but it runs xenforo if that matters |
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| 02:05.11 | mi11k1 | I'm trying to connect openbox from a remote machine to Xnest , I thought I used to do this by doing "Xnest :100 -ac" on the local machine , and then on the remote machine do "export DISPLAY=x.x.x.x:100 openbox" |
| 02:05.51 | mi11k1 | i end up with Openbox-Message: Failed to open the display from the DISPLAY environment variable. |
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| 02:27.26 | indian_font | Hi. I require help packaging a font for debian. |
| 02:27.52 | annadane | indian_font, probably #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net is what you need |
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| 02:28.24 | indian_font | ok. thanks. |
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| 03:01.14 | JohnA | can someb ody advise as to why this doesn't seem to work. ("path"/abc."${type}" delete "$parm1" "$delay") >&3 2>&3 < /dev/null & disown |
| 03:03.47 | JohnA | what is supposed to happen is that /root/abc.update delete asac 300 is supposed to be started. it then should wait 300 seconds before continuing. but nothing seems to happen. |
| 03:06.26 | JohnA | the time delay can be anything from 1sec to ... but is usually around 1800 sec |
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| 03:17.55 | mi11k1 | I'm trying to connect openbox from a remote machine to Xnest , I thought I used to do this by doing "Xnest :100 -ac" on the local machine , and then on the remote machine do "export DISPLAY=x.x.x.x:100 openbox" |
| 03:17.58 | mi11k1 | i end up with Openbox-Message: Failed to open the display from the DISPLAY environment variable. |
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| 03:20.53 | veek | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-dvd/ the hashes have been computed for 9.2.1 not 9.2.0 in the hash-file |
| 03:21.24 | veek | who do you contact for things like that |
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| 03:28.09 | z8z | veek: debian channel? |
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| 03:28.29 | somiaj | There isn't 9.2.1 images availble, I thought there was a bug so they had to relase those |
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| 03:29.14 | veek | somiaj, the hashes don't match the 9.2.0 image .. |
| 03:31.40 | z8z | veek: so 9.2.1 will be available later?? |
| 03:32.06 | z8z | veek: What about you use the 9.1.0 and update? |
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| 03:32.37 | veek | z8z, don't think so.. looks like a mistake to me.. the 256 and 512 hashes match 9.2.0 |
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| 03:33.50 | veek | oh hmm those 9.2.1 as well |
| 03:35.04 | veek | i downloaded that pkg ystrday and the hashes were 9.2.0 so they must be working on it or something |
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| 03:35.17 | veek | 926b813eead0a05cf8d1877cb8426a7440816daac308d22f5c4d07b61c12b262 debian-9.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 03:35.31 | veek | sha256 |
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| 03:37.20 | z8z | veek: i guess so |
| 03:38.13 | z8z | veek: I'm working on a comfortable website for forensic would you like to share some infos? |
| 03:38.25 | veek | z8z shoot |
| 03:38.36 | z8z | veek: Ok i PM you |
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| 03:44.32 | Antares | Hi all! |
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| 06:29.04 | codingquark | Hello, I'm setting up offlineimap in Debian 9. I tried list-timers and list-unit-files, but could not see offlineimap in those lists. How can I enable offlineimap service? |
| 06:33.27 | Antares | hi |
| 06:33.35 | codingquark | Hello! |
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| 07:08.43 | veek | man i need a solution to dvds - i've got squeeze and wheezy and now a stretch and i've discard a few |
| 07:09.13 | veek | can usb's be made inherently read only |
| 07:09.34 | bazhang | live ones? |
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| 07:09.46 | veek | yep - install media that is |
| 07:10.32 | Antares | how set timeout 0 on IRC client? |
| 07:10.44 | Antares | give command pls |
| 07:10.45 | bazhang | as opposed to persistent usb which allows changes/saves? |
| 07:10.57 | veek | bazhang, yes |
| 07:11.25 | veek | as in i worry that my pristine usb installaion sticks can get virus'd |
| 07:11.38 | bazhang | there are persistnet usb and live usb |
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| 07:14.11 | bazhang | veek areyou suggesting the debian repos have viruses |
| 07:14.47 | veek | bazhang, nope but i'm super careless and if i stick the usb install media and boot off HD instead on an infected box |
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| 07:15.24 | bazhang | veek if not, then what virus, how is it going to get on a live usb |
| 07:15.37 | veek | https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/4248/how-reliable-is-a-write-protection-switch-on-a-usb-flash-drive |
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| 07:16.32 | bazhang | thats an actual physical switch |
| 07:16.48 | bazhang | nothing to do with a live vs. persistent |
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| 07:30.29 | codingquark | While doing `apt install firefox`, I'm getting "E: Package 'firefox' has no installation candidate". I'm on Debian 9. Is it available from some other source? https://wiki.debian.org/Firefox suggests that is is available. |
| 07:30.37 | codingquark | s/is is/it is |
| 07:30.58 | bazhang | ,v firefox |
| 07:31.00 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 56.0-2; experimental: 57.0~b6-1 |
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| 07:33.38 | codingquark | Ummm? Sorry, I did not get it. |
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| 07:34.06 | bazhang | is that the exact package name |
| 07:34.36 | codingquark | Right, so my command should work, right? |
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| 07:38.28 | bazhang | ,v firefox-esr |
| 07:38.29 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.4.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.4.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.4.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.4.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.4.0esr-2~deb7u1; buster: 52.4.0esr-2; sid: 52.4.0esr-2 |
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| 07:39.04 | bazhang | firefox-esr codingquark |
| 07:39.38 | codingquark | bazhang: okay, that one is available. Thanks :) |
| 07:39.52 | bazhang | np |
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| 08:04.06 | Gusteru | hello, anyone can help me with this ? https://prnt.sc/gxlrh7 I want to downgrade from 7.0.22 to 5.3.27 . Thank you ! |
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| 08:05.29 | jelly | Gusteru: is this debian or raspbian? |
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| 08:05.45 | Gusteru | jelly rasppbery pi 3 |
| 08:06.24 | jelly | Gusteru: did you install an image you got from debian.org, or someplace else? |
| 08:06.53 | Gusteru | pfu, I don't know |
| 08:07.44 | jelly | Gusteru: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" then |
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| 08:07.52 | Gusteru | jelly is ubuntu |
| 08:07.55 | Gusteru | ok, 2 sec |
| 08:08.02 | codingquark | apt is unable to find firmware-realtek. I want drivers for rtl8723be |
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| 08:08.13 | jelly | Gusteru: if it's ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu channel |
| 08:08.31 | jelly | dpkg, tell codingquark about non-free sources |
| 08:08.37 | Gusteru | jelly I asked in ubuntu, but nobody response me |
| 08:08.55 | codingquark | jelly: thanks :) |
| 08:09.03 | jelly | Gusteru: it's weekend for many people, be patient |
| 08:09.23 | Gusteru | yes, it's true |
| 08:09.43 | Gusteru | you are on ubuntu channel, you know how to resolve or only debian ? |
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| 08:11.24 | jelly | I don't know how to resolve the build failure of old php off the top of my head, no |
| 08:12.05 | jelly | especially not on an undetermined OS running on r.pi 3 |
| 08:12.24 | Gusteru | ok |
| 08:14.31 | jelly | first figure out which OS you're using, then ask in the right place |
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| 08:17.21 | kongthap | i'm using docker, so i came up with jessie+apache 2.4.10, i would like to upgrade to latest apache2, i have tried with apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, but the apache version is still the same, please guide, thanks |
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| 08:24.04 | jelly | kongthap: that's the latest for jessie |
| 08:24.10 | jelly | ,v apache2 |
| 08:24.12 | judd | Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u12; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u9; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.4.10-10+deb8u11; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u11; stretch: 2.4.25-3+deb9u3; stretch-security: 2.4.25-3+deb9u3; buster: 2.4.27-6; sid: 2.4.27-6 |
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| 08:25.40 | jelly | kongthap: debian releases do not get newer versions of software, only security and important fixes |
| 08:26.09 | jelly | so if you have 2.4.10-10+deb8u11 that's the latest |
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| 08:28.19 | kongthap | jelly, is it possible to get 2.4.11+ because, when i try to setup ssl, i got error message, after googling, i think i need newer version of apache |
| 08:29.02 | jelly | kongthap: not in debian 8, and which error message in particular |
| 08:29.03 | jelly | !ask |
| 08:29.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 08:30.54 | jelly | kongthap: also, read this if you haven't: zless /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz |
| 08:30.59 | kongthap | i try to use a2enconf ssl-params with "SSLSessionTickets" inside the file |
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| 08:31.29 | kongthap | the error was SSLSessionTickets is not supported |
| 08:32.06 | jelly | okay, and where did you get the ssl-params file from? |
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| 08:33.00 | font_developer | Hi. I need help packaging a font for debian. I tried #debian-mentors but it has only 3-4 users currently and I am receiving no responses. Any help on how to proceed? |
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| 08:33.41 | jelly | font_developer: #debian-mentors is on irc.oftc.net, not here on freenode. Are you looking at the right channel? |
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| 08:35.13 | font_developer | @jelly ok! New to this whole IRC stuff. Thanks. Will try it out. |
| 08:35.43 | jelly | kongthap: but yeah, SSLSessionTickets was only implemented in 2.4.11; if you absolutely need it, use Debian 9 not Debian 8 |
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| 08:37.14 | kongthap | jelly, actually this is just for learning purpose, right now i only found article on digital ocean to do so, can you recommend any article to setup ssl on old version of apache ? |
| 08:37.56 | jelly | kongthap: read this if you haven't: zless /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz |
| 08:38.02 | jelly | no articles. |
| 08:38.19 | kongthap | jelly, ok thanks |
| 08:40.17 | font_developer | ok. How does one join irc.oftc.net? Does it require a client or can I directly do it from the website? |
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| 08:44.38 | font_developer | jelly, when i log into irc.oftc.net and type a question, I am getting the response "Cant use this command in this window" |
| 08:45.22 | jelly | font_developer: you have to join a channel, type /join #debian-mentors |
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| 08:46.47 | jelly | font_developer: which client, or which website are you using? |
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| 08:47.29 | font_developer | jelly, I went to https://www.oftc.net/ and typed a name and channel in the box at the top |
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| 08:47.56 | jelly | that sounds sane |
| 08:48.19 | jelly | and clicked connect on the next page presumably |
| 08:49.04 | font_developer | jelly, yes. I then go to the url webchat.oftc.net and no matter what I type, it says "cant use this command" |
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| 08:51.13 | jelly | font_developer: does top of the window show a "status" button and a "#debian-mentors" button? Click on the latter |
| 08:52.52 | font_developer | jelly, it only shows the status button. does not show the channel despite selecting it in the previous step |
| 08:53.27 | jelly | font_developer: then type /j #debian-mentors |
| 08:54.42 | jelly | (on the bottom row) |
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| 08:56.19 | font_developer | jelly, I typed the above command but when I press Enter nothing happens. It does not accept the entry. I tried only /j and it says "Insufficient Arguments". Is it possible the channel is down? |
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| 08:56.20 | jelly | font_developer: which nickname did you choose? also try /j #debian-offtopic |
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| 08:58.39 | font_developer | jelly: same nick as here. Changing nick is not helping either. is #debian-offtopic on OFTC as well? Same problem with that channel too. |
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| 09:01.07 | jelly | font_developer: does the status window show a bunch of messages like this? https://imgur.com/sbXUPm6 |
| 09:01.17 | jelly | maybe you're not connected at all |
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| 09:03.01 | jelly | Gusteru: |
| 09:03.02 | jelly | !ask |
| 09:03.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 09:08.35 | disaster | Hi! i got a load problem on my server(3.6 load average on 15mn) on debian 9. I try to retrace the reasons why on logs and the problem seems to start from a kernel log that i can't understand. How professionnal sysadmin does? Is there any "every logs explanation" book or something? |
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| 09:09.25 | jelly | disaster: why do you think it's a problem in the first place? |
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| 09:10.22 | disaster | jelly: cause it's unusual so something unusual happend |
| 09:10.41 | jelly | unusual does not mean bad or incorrect |
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| 09:11.17 | disaster | jelly: well this freeze my service so it's bad |
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| 09:11.34 | jelly | !load average |
| 09:11.34 | dpkg | load average is probably the number of processes that are either in a "runnable" (waiting for CPU) or uninterruptable state, averaged over time. It's like the number of people in line at the checkout. It's possible to have a high load average with low CPU utilization if systems are waiting for other resources, e.g. I/O, network socket responses. |
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| 09:12.48 | jelly | disaster: loadavg is a symptom. Can you look at the services in question and see if they have actually had more consumers in the related period? |
| 09:13.43 | digdilem | i've not heard the checkout analogy before. i like it. |
| 09:13.55 | jelly | in a virtualized environment, this can be caused by the host (eg. something else consuming more io or memory or cpu resources) |
| 09:14.30 | disaster | jelly: no i'm not running any graphana for now. but logs tell me some useful informations |
| 09:14.48 | disaster | jelly: the problem is with those kernel messages |
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| 09:15.28 | jelly | disaster: which kernel messages? |
| 09:16.41 | disaster | jelly: but you are right loadavg is a symptom scheduler can't do her job as well then some httpd etc can't work then reach timeout then client spamm and the load grow up but it's not the point... |
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| 09:17.48 | disaster | jelly: well i'll paste those 3 messages but there's nothing to give me some authonomy on that kind of problem? |
| 09:18.03 | font_developer | jelly: no, the status window is clean |
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| 09:18.30 | tabakhase | there is a whole book on "how broken load is" - as its FAR FAR more than "just cpu" but tries to factor in IO and such, what doesnt work out at all anymore in SSD days... |
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| 09:19.50 | tabakhase | here, have a read: http://www.brendangregg.com/blog/2017-08-08/linux-load-averages.html |
| 09:20.21 | disaster | tabakhase: yeah of course but i was talking about understanding kernel logs and that kind of thing, not about what is loadavg |
| 09:20.45 | disaster | here are the logs: sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] tag#0 abort [<ffffffff8e408835>] ? ret_from_fork+0x25/0x30 |
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| 10:01.31 | jelly | disaster: that means nothing without context, pastebin last couple hundred lines |
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| 10:16.15 | tw | isn't loadavg just "average number of processes waiting in queue"? |
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| 10:18.42 | jelly | tw: that's what the bot said |
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| 10:26.02 | tw | yes it is. |
| 10:26.32 | pingfloyd | tw: not quite |
| 10:27.28 | pingfloyd | tw: that's exactly what it is, but what's a good and bad values depends on how many cpus you have |
| 10:29.31 | tw | And also what weird drivers you have that are always in some weird non-sleeping state. |
| 10:31.59 | jelly | oh, and disaster is gone |
| 10:32.25 | tw | I'm asking for my own benefit. |
| 10:32.57 | tw | I have to verify that I'm not crazy sometimes. |
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| 10:39.20 | JohnA | I am trying to setup up a new home based (internet accessible) server. Is there a recipe for partition sizes? disks available are 5 * 1.5tb. |
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| 10:45.44 | tw | Probably want 30GB for OS on /, you can partition whatever else you want for data storage. if you're looking for combining all the disks into one filesystem, either mdraid or lvm will let you do that. |
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| 10:46.46 | jaggz | hmm.. I did pbuilder for a package (vokoscreen) and, when installing the .deb, it requires a newer version of another package that's not available: depends on libqt5core5a (>= 5.9.0~beta) .. but libqt5core5a:amd64 on system is 5.7.1+dfsg-3+b1 |
| 10:47.02 | jaggz | I'm trying to work on vokoscreen a bit |
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| 10:48.27 | JohnA | tw, Thanks |
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| 10:50.23 | JohnA | ? 2 - raid - 10, 5 or 6 which is considered "better" survivablity, perforamnce? |
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| 10:57.04 | ^GoD^ | re |
| 10:59.44 | jaggz | (I'm in stretch, btw, if it matters) |
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| 11:08.18 | jaggz | so.. I did pbuilder build --distribution stretch, and it built and the .deb installed without error; however, now when trying to run it I get: vokoscreen: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Core.so.5: version `Qt_5.9' not found (required by vokoscreen) |
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| 11:13.26 | dernerdling | Hi together |
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| 11:20.11 | dernerdling | I have a problem since the update from jessie to stretch. I hope anybody can help me as i struggle with this since two whole days. I start x11vnc with systemd to get the greeter in the vnc-client, but after i login the screen turns black. I figured out that the greeter runs at display 0 and the user-desktop runs at display 1. So, i would have to run two x11vnc-servers for both screens. With jessie this was no problem, as both |
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| 11:47.03 | rant | I would imagine it creates a new display so the greeter is still available for other logins correct? |
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| 11:48.04 | rant | otherwise you'd just not need a greeter and would just start the session because only one person could use it anyhow |
| 11:48.20 | dernerdling | Im not sure about that. But if so, how was this handled in jessie and why different in stretch? |
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| 11:49.08 | rant | I'm not certain as I never used this, I typically just ssh in, and start a tight/tiger vnc session that tunnels over ssh. I'm just trying to follow the logic |
| 11:49.33 | dernerdling | In jessie i could login to as many users id like to and everyhting was running under display 0 |
| 11:49.39 | rant | the whole point of using a greeter for vnc in my mind is so that different users could use it |
| 11:49.49 | rant | otherwise you'd just run a user's session and skip the greeter |
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| 11:50.21 | rant | I don't see how its possible all users could use the same display at all |
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| 11:51.05 | dernerdling | Not at the same time, but i could switch between them and the greeter without the need of having multiple vnc-servers running |
| 11:51.13 | rant | vnc uses by default 5900 and there is no display 0, the first one is display 1 and its on port 5901 |
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| 11:51.32 | rant | ah.. |
| 11:51.34 | dernerdling | gdm3 is running under display 0 |
| 11:52.21 | rant | well again I never used this setup, but typically the greeter configs control what displays are used by its sessions |
| 11:52.31 | dernerdling | or the greeter is…im not that advanced in linux |
| 11:52.45 | rant | I once had an issue where it was logging in (using normal local X and sending input to tty8 instead of tty7 |
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| 11:54.02 | rant | it would sugguest to me that the greeter is the issue here not the vnc server |
| 11:54.40 | rant | what I'd done to realize this in my scenario was try a different greeter and it worked.. doing the same would work to tell you if thats the case here as well |
| 11:54.50 | rant | then you know where the problem lies and where to look |
| 11:54.55 | dernerdling | Ok, thats a startpoint. I think also that the problem is the xserver, or the greeter |
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| 11:56.17 | dernerdling | i found several german people who had this issue but no fix for it :( i dont know if there are some usefull infos but take at look it https://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/x11vnc-server-ubuntu-16-04-with-gnome-3/?flavour=full |
| 11:56.22 | rant | we have tons of greeter packages avaiable to try.. nodm, lightdm, xdm, kdm, gdm.. etc |
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| 11:58.04 | rant | idk that just gives me an ssl error, but the title specifically mentioning gnome 3 further supports my theory that gdm3 is where the problem lies |
| 11:58.18 | rant | its going to need to be configured properly |
| 11:58.32 | dernerdling | ok, then i will try a different greeter and report if something changes |
| 11:59.21 | rant | lightdm has become increasingly popular |
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| 12:00.19 | dernerdling | someone over here has the same problem with lightdm https://de.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=3779.0 |
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| 12:00.41 | rant | hell just removing the dm altogether and having no issue tells you its the dm |
| 12:02.00 | rant | I ditched gdm a long time ago because it was more cumbersome to configure |
| 12:02.44 | rant | while it had (at least in gdm2 days) a gui config, it didnt expose more advanced confgiuration options |
| 12:03.52 | rant | I for one am not a huge fan of the splitting up and scattering of config files.. and reminisc on the good ol days when /etc/foo/ and ~/.foo/ had flat config files for foo |
| 12:04.12 | rant | makes things harder to figure out the way things are done now |
| 12:04.34 | dernerdling | To be honest with you. I have worked with some virtual linux machines before, but this is my first project with a physical one and im pretty new to all of this. I dont know where to look and take actions to get this fixed… |
| 12:05.49 | dernerdling | i just want to have this simply fixed and get the rest of the work done…this bugs me hard. first time real linux project and this little thing keeps me from getting my work done :/ |
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| 12:06.14 | abrotman | wonders if Vino might be better than x11vnc there |
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| 12:07.13 | nvz | me either and I dont have a powerful enough machine to try replicate the issue I'm on an SoC with 512mb ram, can't go getting crazy doing a whole lot or the magic smoke will come out.. but it sounds to me like your display manager is misconfigured and if it were me, short of using a different simpler setup altogether I'd dig into the dm docs and configs |
| 12:07.46 | nvz | and idk if its still the case but we used to have specific channels for debian and different DEs and the DEs themselves have support channels where you may find people more familiar with their stuff |
| 12:07.47 | dernerdling | i will give this a try. is vino bind to a specific display? cause i think the problem is that the greeter and desktop are swtiching displays is the real problem |
| 12:08.02 | nvz | !gnome |
| 12:08.02 | dpkg | GNOME is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get or delete GNOME, ask me about <install gnome> or <remove gnome> respectively. See also <gnome status>. https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome http://www.gnome.org/ #debian-gnome on irc.debian.org. GNOME-related IRC channels: https://wiki.gnome.org/Community/GettingInTouch/IRC |
| 12:08.39 | abrotman | ... |
| 12:09.01 | dernerdling | thank you all for the informations ;) |
| 12:09.03 | abrotman | dernerdling: I've not used it, but also note, there is a #gnome that might be more help than people complaining about config file location :) |
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| 12:10.12 | nvz | I was just noting that when I had similar issues the gdm configurations were hard to find, and yes, that there are channels were people are more familiar with em |
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| 13:03.26 | blz | Hello, what's the meaning of this error message that asynchronously appears in bash? Message from syslogd@monolith at Oct 15 13:53:29 ... |
| 13:03.28 | blz | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.44 | blz | Google hasn't been particularly helpful, here :/ |
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| 13:04.25 | tw | looks like a docker bug |
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| 13:05.57 | jelly | blz: which debian release is that and which kernel |
| 13:05.58 | tw | blz: what does uname -a say? |
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| 13:11.08 | tw | I could be wrong. Reading more bug reports, it could be netns + systemd acting wonky. |
| 13:11.37 | shtrb | tw , there is a systemd gem for such an issue ? |
| 13:12.39 | tw | I haven't repro'd it, but the ubuntu bug reports suggest connections still open on lo when netns is trying to shut down and the kernel doesn't like that. |
| 13:13.12 | tw | I'm confused as to how that could be related to systemd, but it's mentioned. |
| 13:13.19 | shtrb | :) |
| 13:13.42 | blz | tw, jelly : Linux monolith 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u3 (2017-08-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:14.03 | jelly | blz: might want to patch that up |
| 13:14.32 | jelly | Linux box 4.9.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.51-1 (2017-09-28) x86_64 GNU/Linux is current |
| 13:15.12 | blz | jelly: just rand apt-get dist-upgrade ... nothing to install |
| 13:15.15 | blz | *ran |
| 13:15.43 | jelly | blz: make sure linux-image-amd64 is installed |
| 13:15.59 | tw | blz: you might also have the new kernel install but need a reboot. |
| 13:16.11 | blz | tw: ah yeah, good point |
| 13:16.21 | blz | okay I'll give that a whirl and come back if it continues toa ct up |
| 13:16.35 | jelly | it's probably not fixed but who knows |
| 13:16.40 | blz | It's worth a shot |
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| 13:17.06 | tw | worst case, you can claim your system is up to date if you have to file a bug report. |
| 13:17.40 | blz | tw: haha exactly |
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| 13:23.48 | tw | What's the best way to share an audio device with a chroot? My chroot is trying to use /dev/dsp (ancient program), but pulse has alsa locked exclusive. If I set pulse to use dmix, it has 100-200 ms of audio latency which is mildly irritating for general usage as all videos looks like a poorly dubbed asian films. |
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| 13:26.54 | jelly | tw: run it under padsp? |
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| 13:28.56 | tw | I'll try it. I doubt it's going to work with the version of pulse that's in squeeze. |
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| 13:30.11 | jelly | run the whole chroot in padsp for all I care! |
| 13:30.40 | tw | honestly, if I thought that would work, I would totally do it, but we both know that is not how LD_PRELOAD works. |
| 13:30.44 | tw | nor chroot. |
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| 13:32.38 | jelly | well you just have to be root first! |
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| 13:35.44 | JyZyXEL | tw: PA FAQ describes all the bind mounts that might be needed: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/FAQ/#index37h3 |
| 13:37.12 | jelly | and have a stretch/squeeze montrosity running! |
| 13:40.57 | tw | maybe I'm going about this all wrong. Going to try losing the chroot, dumping all the libs it needs in cwd, then LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. LD_PRELOAD=libpulsedsp.so ./dinosaurprogram |
| 13:41.34 | tw | okay, problem solved, ish. |
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| 13:42.50 | noqnio1 | Hey, did anyone observe high apache cpu usage after 5-9 Oct upgrades? (various libraries and kernel 4.9.0-4) |
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| 13:51.06 | jelly | noqnio1: no but how busy is your apache anyway? |
| 13:51.30 | jelly | how many requests per second? |
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| 13:53.40 | noqnio1 | none, but idle cpu time went from 5% to 20% and now my requests take noticeable time to reply |
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| 13:54.04 | jelly | the few apache / debian 9 VMs I have show nothing similar |
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| 13:55.02 | jelly | Linux bss-prod 4.9.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.51-1 (2017-09-28) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:55.26 | noqnio1 | hmm.. apart from updating i didn't do anything |
| 13:55.52 | jelly | do you mean "busy" cpu time went up? |
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| 13:56.17 | jelly | noqnio1: what does "vmstat 1" show, is lots of it used in user or system or io or what? |
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| 13:58.36 | pragomer | hi. I used this command to scale my display under stretch, xfce on a hidpi-monitor: |
| 13:58.37 | pragomer | xrandr --output eDP-1 --mode "2560x1600" --scale "0.5x0.5" |
| 13:58.59 | pragomer | but now all is a little bit "not so sharp". |
| 13:59.13 | pragomer | according to this, I should compile xrandr myself: |
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| 13:59.35 | pragomer | https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=159064 |
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| 13:59.49 | pragomer | but this is above my skills. |
| 13:59.54 | noqnio1 | mostly userspace, ~15-30 system when I request |
| 13:59.59 | pragomer | can I fix this somehow easiely? |
| 14:02.07 | jelly | noqnio1: so what does does this system do when it's supposed to be idle? |
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| 14:02.14 | jelly | what else* does it do |
| 14:03.04 | noqnio1 | nothing.. and when i vmstat or top, the idle cpu usage doesn't seem out of the ordinary (some mariadb housekeeping and such), but on my VPS overview there is a clear increase in overall cpu usage |
| 14:03.51 | tw | pragomer: can you set the mode to 1280x800 instead? would that not have the same effect? |
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| 14:05.15 | jelly | it's also blurry then |
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| 14:10.46 | pragomer | you are right.. its a pity that I use my retina with 1600px instead of 2600... but using lower resolution seems to be the best solution for XFCE at this moment |
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| 14:11.01 | pragomer | gnome and KDE solve this perfect. They scale it perfectly... |
| 14:11.05 | pragomer | but not so xfce :-( |
| 14:12.35 | tw | pragomer: is it just the window widgets and soforth that appear too small? |
| 14:13.48 | tw | !hidpi |
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| 14:13.55 | tw | Surprised that doesn't exist. |
| 14:14.10 | spacebug^ | maybe just hdpi? |
| 14:14.15 | tw | !hdpi |
| 14:14.25 | spacebug^ | :/ |
| 14:14.48 | pragomer | according to the link I posted above its really like that: you have 3 solutions for a hidpi display: |
| 14:14.51 | pragomer | 1. setting lower res |
| 14:15.30 | pragomer | 2. setting DPI for fonts, increasing icon-sizes etc... but in this case some elements of xfce desktop stay tiny |
| 14:15.33 | pragomer | 3. xrandr |
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| 14:16.21 | tw | "some elements" being the icons. You can try setting the maximum icon size as well in xfce. |
| 14:16.30 | spacebug^ | adn then you try some java program or something using another framework and that does not work hehe |
| 14:16.50 | tw | yes, Eclipse is a notable troublemaker when it comes to hidpi. |
| 14:16.55 | tw | (at least for me) |
| 14:17.09 | pragomer | no I mean e.g. the windows-decorations and their buttons: you cannot change that and there exist nearly no themes that really work (with xfce) |
| 14:18.14 | pragomer | like I said.. I can change fonts... whiskermenu, icon-size on desktop and thunar... |
| 14:18.21 | pragomer | but not windows-deco-buttons :( |
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| 14:20.12 | pragomer | sorry was afk for few seconds |
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| 14:22.32 | tw | If the themes are specified in pixels, then yes, it's going to scale poorly. |
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| 14:25.06 | pragomer | I have many themes.. as an example here is my screenshot of "adapta".. |
| 14:25.08 | pragomer | https://snag.gy/4RWwFy.jpg |
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| 14:25.37 | pragomer | ALL themes (the window-deco-buttons) are much too tiny, execpt the standard-ones called "Default HiDpi" |
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| 14:27.37 | pragomer | xfce is based on gtk2 so I have to examine the "gtk2" folder of the theme, right? |
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| 14:29.04 | cybrNaut | torsocks firefox-esr <= this just hangs - is it expected that the ESR version breaks torsocks? |
| 14:29.59 | hiya | cybrNaut: use TBB. Period. |
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| 14:38.15 | cybrNaut | TBB does not exist, it's "TB" now. And TB is a disaster |
| 14:38.30 | cybrNaut | TB is both insecure and inconvenient.. it's a shit tool |
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| 14:42.13 | ThoMe | hiho |
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| 14:43.06 | ThoMe | have an ipv6 problem: inbound connectino no problem, outbound with example wget not posible (or apt-get update). ping ipv6.google.com works fine. |
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| 14:43.30 | ThoMe | where I can begin for find the error? |
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| 14:44.06 | ThoMe | xenbr0: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 inet 176.9.150.118 netmask 255.255.255.224 broadcast 176.9.150.127 inet6 2a01:4f8:160:3336::2 prefixlen 112 scopeid 0x0<global> |
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| 14:46.46 | Dagger | ...prefixlen of 112 is already a bad sign :/ |
| 14:47.29 | ThoMe | Dagger: emm? |
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| 14:48.40 | Dagger | as a general rule: if you're seeing something other than /64 on-link, somebody screwed up somewhere |
| 14:49.11 | Dagger | (although not necessarily in a way that's related to your current problem) |
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| 14:50.00 | ThoMe | Dagger: emm. this maschine is a router |
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| 14:52.55 | Dagger | on-link subnets should basically always be /64 in v6 |
| 14:53.02 | Dagger | also, one key feature of a router is that it routes |
| 14:53.18 | Dagger | but in order to route traffic for a network, the traffic for that network has to be routed to you first |
| 14:53.28 | Dagger | and I can't remember if Hetzner actually route you any IP space or not |
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| 15:00.08 | ThoMe | Dagger: query? |
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| 15:40.17 | codingquark | Q: How do I enable offlineimap in systemd? |
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| 15:40.54 | rant | codingquark: systemctl enable offlineimap |
| 15:41.12 | rant | the question mark kinda tell us its a question btw |
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| 15:41.28 | codingquark | rant: are you sure offlineimap is the service name? |
| 15:41.42 | codingquark | Because my system shows it is not. |
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| 15:42.12 | codingquark | I tried that, also checked using list-timers and list-unit-files |
| 15:42.17 | rant | codingquark: I'm not even sure what offlineimap is or if you have service files for it. your question was vague so I interpreted that to mean you merely didnt know the command to enable/disable services |
| 15:42.19 | codingquark | Could not see offlineimap there. |
| 15:42.43 | codingquark | rant: ah, okay. I see. |
| 15:42.50 | rant | generally if you already tried things and they didnt work that info with the output should be part of the question |
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| 15:43.49 | codingquark | yea, sorry. |
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| 15:44.48 | rant | codingquark: the upstream website says the service is called offlineimap but that doesnt mean debian devs left it that way |
| 15:45.18 | codingquark | rant: right, I checked arch wiki and those names do not match either. |
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| 15:48.10 | rant | codingquark: considered dpkg -L offlineimap ? |
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| 16:01.47 | macondo123 | hi everybody, recently I got a different kbd for my desktop (us english) how do I change in debian from spanish to english? |
| 16:02.10 | macondo123 | do I have to reinstall? |
| 16:02.26 | mtn_ | macondo123, are you using a desktop environment? like gnome? |
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| 16:03.51 | clas1c | Hi When I try passwd command I got Segmentaion fault |
| 16:03.55 | macondo123 | my box is a desktop and not a laptop, my original kbd is spanish, NOW I got an american english one |
| 16:04.03 | clas1c | Any way to restore it witout reinstall OS? |
| 16:04.17 | clas1c | please hilight my nick for tips Thanks in advance |
| 16:04.24 | mtn_ | macondo123, are you using gnome? yes or no? |
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| 16:04.43 | macondo123 | mtn_: did I explain myself correctly? |
| 16:04.52 | mtn_ | macondo123, no. |
| 16:04.54 | mtn_ | macondo123, are you using gnome? yes or no? |
| 16:05.30 | macondo123 | mtn_: no. I am using icewm |
| 16:05.56 | mtn_ | macondo123, ok. does it have a system settings in the menu? or keyboard in the menu? |
| 16:06.15 | macondo123 | no |
| 16:07.00 | macondo123 | is there something like dpkg-reconfigure kbd? |
| 16:07.16 | mtn_ | macondo123, first google hit: https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard |
| 16:07.31 | macondo123 | ok, thanks, pal |
| 16:08.09 | debsan_ | macondo123, you can try setxkbmap us |
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| 16:18.40 | mrjayribs | Helllo friends! I was wondering if anyone could help me connect to my AlogVPN. I think the problem is between NetworkManager and StrongSwan. |
| 16:19.17 | mrjayribs | The server works; i've connect it with my andriod. The AlgoVPN github doesn't really help out with Stretch |
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| 16:21.07 | macondo123 | mt_: problem solved- thanks buddy |
| 16:21.07 | mrjayribs | AlgoVPN* |
| 16:21.55 | macondo123 | mtn_: problem solved - thx |
| 16:22.05 | mtn_ | macondo123, welcome |
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| 17:04.40 | eml_ | hi |
| 17:04.52 | hwpplayer1 | Hi |
| 17:04.55 | eml_ | can someone please help me run GUI programs as root? |
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| 17:05.30 | eck | no |
| 17:05.43 | eml_ | when i try to run them as root, i get an error: No protocol specified kcalc: cannot connect to X server :0 |
| 17:05.54 | shtrb|laptop | How do I know which HDMI port is "working" from aplay -l ? |
| 17:05.57 | eml_ | there are some special programs i need to run as root |
| 17:06.09 | eck | what kind of special programs |
| 17:06.36 | eml_ | they are some special apps I wrote |
| 17:06.45 | eml_ | custom apps |
| 17:06.52 | shtrb|laptop | eml_ fix them to not run as root |
| 17:06.56 | eml_ | point being, i need to run them as root |
| 17:06.57 | eck | why do they need to run as root |
| 17:07.02 | eml_ | no, they have to run as root |
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| 17:07.27 | eck | i don't think kcalc needs to run as root |
| 17:07.31 | eml_ | this is a development machine, nto production, so im not worried about security yet. eventauly, i will fix it to not show a GUI |
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| 17:07.52 | eml_ | eck: i can TEST a way to run the program using kcalc |
| 17:08.05 | eml_ | im just using it to test |
| 17:08.08 | eck | since you're a developer maybe you can download the x11 source code and modify it to let you run kcalc as root |
| 17:08.25 | eml_ | no, i have it working on another development machine |
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| 17:08.31 | eml_ | but on this 1 machine, its not letting me |
| 17:08.56 | eml_ | is there a way i can make this change permanent? |
| 17:09.04 | mtn_ | eml_, you should not run gui apps as root. start them with gksudo if they need to be root. most of them don't need to be root |
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| 17:24.32 | awal1 | how is called the fact of cobining title bar and tool bar as gnome3 does? |
| 17:24.54 | awal1 | does for it's native apps |
| 17:25.05 | shtrb | had to load the HDMI profile in pavucontrol to get audio over hdmi |
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| 17:25.52 | annadane | awal1, if i had to guess it's a gnome extension |
| 17:25.54 | mtn_ | awal1, my gnome 3 does not do that, if I understand you correctly |
| 17:25.59 | annadane | i don't know what it's called specifically |
| 17:26.09 | mtn_ | awal1, probably an extension. I agree |
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| 17:27.06 | annadane | #gnome might know better |
| 17:28.06 | awal1 | mtn_, annadane, I mean with recent versions gnome3 combines buttons (previous, next...minimize, maximize, close) and title, so you have only 1 bar |
| 17:28.14 | awal1 | not an extension |
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| 17:29.00 | awal1 | i forgot how is called by software devs |
| 17:29.03 | mtn_ | awal1, that seems like all desktops to me. how is that different? |
| 17:29.22 | awal1 | mtn_, you are in gnome now? |
| 17:29.30 | mtn_ | yes |
| 17:30.13 | awal1 | open a native gnome app, say nautilus and a non native, a gtk2 based 1 or any other, and compare top bar |
| 17:31.11 | annadane | yeah, that to sounds like all desktops but i'm really not familiar with gnome |
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| 17:31.20 | mtn_ | awal1, nautilus is a special case, but other apps look just like they do on other desktops |
| 17:31.36 | mtn_ | awal1, hexchat for instance |
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| 17:32.14 | awal1 | hexchat is gtk2, let me paste a pic |
| 17:32.44 | mtn_ | awal1, name another gtk3 app |
| 17:33.06 | awal1 | mtn_, gnome system monitor |
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| 17:33.50 | mtn_ | awal1, ok, so the difference you are talking about is that the title bar is missing |
| 17:34.08 | awal1 | mtn_ yeah |
| 17:34.23 | mtn_ | awal1, which is not what you said ;) |
| 17:34.38 | awal1 | mtn_, well bad english here |
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| 17:34.55 | awal1 | not missing anyway , it is combined with tool bar |
| 17:35.00 | mtn_ | awal1, for those apps the title is shown on the top bar and some of the menu items, too |
| 17:35.13 | awal1 | mtn_, yeah |
| 17:35.16 | mtn_ | awal1, no, the title is up on the panel bar above |
| 17:35.48 | mtn_ | awal1, not in the app window at all |
| 17:36.22 | awal1 | hehe, it doesn't matter; what i wanted to know is how that is called |
| 17:37.13 | mtn_ | no idea. maybe ask on the gnome channel? |
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| 17:37.24 | awal1 | bcoz it is the new approach of gnome |
| 17:37.32 | awal1 | hm, i'll google more |
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| 17:40.03 | codingquark | rant: hey, I was away. I had not considered dpkg for offlineimap. Doing that. :) |
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| 17:41.46 | codingquark | rant: and that is what I wanted, there are docs and examples for systemd services. Thanks a lot! |
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| 17:48.46 | klrjsg | awal1: client side decoration |
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| 17:49.40 | rant | codingquark: no problem |
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| 17:53.07 | veek | what's happened to olvwm in stretch? |
| 17:53.23 | veek | how do i install it and can i run it on wayland? |
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| 17:53.57 | annadane | ,v olvwm |
| 17:53.59 | judd | Package: olvwm on amd64 -- jessie: 4.4.3.2p1.4-28.1; wheezy: 4.4.3.2p1.4-28.1; sid: 4.4.3.2p1.4-28.2 |
| 17:55.12 | veek | annadane will it work on wayland? |
| 17:55.17 | annadane | no idea |
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| 17:55.51 | veek | i managed to get weston working as 'root' but not as a normal user.. |
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| 17:56.48 | awal1 | klrjsg, I think that is how is called yeah, thanks |
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| 18:01.02 | awal1 | veek, olvwm and olvwm, have been removed from stretch bcuz of this bug (almost) I reported during stretch development #855168 :P |
| 18:01.03 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/855168 in olvwm (open): «olvwm crashes traying to log in X»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-02-14; last modified: 2017-02-14. |
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| 18:01.25 | awal1 | olvwm and olvm |
| 18:01.35 | jelly | what does an almost you look like |
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| 18:02.31 | tw | Does it make sense to report a bad min-version in a build-dep in a buster package at this point? |
| 18:02.43 | annadane | you can probably backport it i guess |
| 18:02.45 | annadane | !ssb |
| 18:02.45 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 18:02.49 | annadane | veek, ^ |
| 18:03.21 | annadane | as to whether it will work with wayland i still have no idea |
| 18:03.30 | awal1 | olwm/olvwm |
| 18:03.48 | shtrb | Any suggestions for running Win10 guest under a VM in debian ? (having sound and file sharing is a MUST for me ) currently looking over vbox but open to suggestions |
| 18:03.49 | veek | annadane ty |
| 18:03.55 | annadane | though if it's in sid the window manager's documentation or website ought to specify whether it will be wayland compatible, you can of course just ask them too |
| 18:04.10 | awal1 | jelly, almost means almost bcoz of that bug but also bcoz of other importants bugs, if my memory is good :P |
| 18:04.13 | annadane | sid as opposed to stable because wayland is relatively new and the one in sid may support it |
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| 18:08.02 | tw | shtrb: qemu-kvm under libvirt/virt-manager will probably work fine for you as well, but vbox is probably more natural to get started with. |
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| 18:11.12 | fraengii | Hi! |
| 18:11.30 | shtrb | Thanks tw |
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| 18:12.25 | raptor79 | ciao |
| 18:12.35 | raptor79 | !list |
| 18:12.35 | dpkg | raptor79: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 18:15.43 | awal1 | veek, if you are a olwm/olvwm advanced/familiar user you can contribute to this bug #855167 and help to debug and solve the bug |
| 18:15.44 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/855167 in olwm (open): «olwm crashes trying to log in X»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-02-14; last modified: 2017-03-10. |
| 18:16.07 | fraengii | My .bash_profile seems not to be read at login. How can I find out what's wrong or where am I wrong? I like to have my $HOME/bin in the $PATH and want to etablish my own Xmodmap. |
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| 18:20.15 | alioui_ | hi all, i have the same problem as this :https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/269600/getting-tightvnc-server-working-on-debian-8-with-kde |
| 18:20.27 | alioui_ | on debian 9 |
| 18:20.44 | alioui_ | any idea |
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| 18:21.16 | alioui_ | XIO: fatal IO 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":1" |
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| 18:21.43 | alioui_ | in the log file of the server |
| 18:22.22 | alioui_ | andclient complain about dbus |
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| 18:29.36 | veek | what DISPLAY does weston run on by default |
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| 18:30.42 | veek | needs a display to readup on wayland |
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| 18:52.44 | jadesoturi | hi all. installed a server in a proxmox VM and installed pure-ftpd but having some issues i cant figure out. most likely due to NAT/firewalls etc, but: after connecting and entering passivemode i et ECONNREFUSED on the MLSD command.. ive passed portrange and forcepassive IP and forwarded port 21 to the correct LAN ip on the serverside.. but cant figure out why its not connecting.. ive tried to use SFTP and atctive mode - both result in the same |
| 18:52.45 | jadesoturi | error |
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| 18:57.42 | jelly | jadesoturi: sftp uses ssh port 22 and nothing else, was that a typo or did you mean something else |
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| 18:58.08 | jadesoturi | i tried sftp with port 22 with the same result |
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| 18:58.30 | jelly | that's not a ftp craziness issue then |
| 18:58.42 | jadesoturi | port 21 is forwarded to the server lan ip. it shows my "home folder" path, |
| 18:58.43 | jadesoturi | hmmm |
| 18:58.53 | jadesoturi | i dont get it whats the problem then.. |
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| 18:59.10 | jelly | jadesoturi: if you can log in via sftp you should be able to transfer data. It does not use any other connections |
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| 18:59.37 | machinehum | Has anyone has issues with the recent update? I just updated at now my keyboard doesn't work. |
| 18:59.44 | machinehum | Debian 9 amd64 |
| 19:00.16 | machinehum | USB keyboard on a desktop, tried different usb ports, tried different keyboards |
| 19:00.53 | jadesoturi | jelly, oki.. sorry. my bad. seems i forgot to save the settings when using sftp - works nicely. but a quick question -sftp vs ftp over TLS - pros and cons? |
| 19:00.59 | jelly | machinehum: can you log in via ssh and see if the usb device is visible in lsusb output when the keyboard is connected |
| 19:01.19 | jelly | jadesoturi: avoid ftp like hell |
| 19:01.40 | jelly | it's needlessly arcane |
| 19:02.05 | jadesoturi | okok. sftp it is then. thanks! |
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| 19:11.31 | petemc | pingwindyktator: https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 19:12.15 | pingwindyktator | petemc: I see 3.0 there. Definitely too new xd |
| 19:13.11 | petemc | it says at the top there are some user supplied 2.0 images |
| 19:13.34 | machinehum | jelly: Thanks for the responce, I apparenty didn't try hard enough with other keyboards... |
| 19:13.53 | machinehum | Another one works, so most likely there was something relating to that one keyboard |
| 19:14.12 | machinehum | I'll probably try to fix that later |
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| 19:16.51 | fraengii | Is it correct that .profile is read at login and that it will not be read when there is a .bash_profile? |
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| 19:17.45 | fraengii | And does the .bash_profile the same as .profile? |
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| 19:23.19 | p3rL | help!!! |
| 19:24.55 | fraengii | p3rL? |
| 19:25.19 | p3rL | i mean i have vps debian 7 am i had installed apache and when i use ip in browser site cant reached |
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| 19:26.54 | p3rL | please help me out |
| 19:27.04 | p3rL | i have vps debian 7 am i had installed apache and when i use ip in browser site cant reached |
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| 19:29.49 | fraengii | p3rL, did you meen ip=127.0.0.1? |
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| 19:37.30 | fraengii | p3rL, I've installed apache2 via 'apt-get install apache2' on my Debian 9 and it works out of the box: 127.0.0.1 and localhost bring me to the apache2 default page. |
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| 19:48.42 | where | Where |
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| 19:57.19 | crucify_me | hi can you essentially convert a kindle book to a pdf by using calibre |
| 19:57.20 | crucify_me | ? |
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| 20:00.19 | annadane | where, hi. do you have a debian support question? |
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| 20:00.29 | annadane | general chatter is in #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:01.44 | crucify_me | hello sorry can you essentially convert a kindle mobi what have you to a pdf using calibre? |
| 20:01.52 | crucify_me | I was disconnected |
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| 20:02.16 | where | What is debian |
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| 20:02.36 | crucify_me | a Hermann Hesse novel I think |
| 20:02.41 | annadane | debian is an operating system |
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| 20:03.44 | crucify_me | well I installed calibre. I'm hoping the formatting is better than kindle cloud app if I can convert a book to pdf. any thoughts? |
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| 20:04.21 | jelly | dpkg, tell where about debian |
| 20:04.28 | jelly | dpkg, tell where about offtopic |
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| 20:06.39 | awal1 | no torrent for unofficial images? |
| 20:07.09 | awal1 | I want to download this dvd via torrent http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ but seems there is no torrent way |
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| 20:07.55 | awal1 | that is for a couple of friends and very bad/slow internet here |
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| 20:41.09 | bsf123 | How would I go about installing i8k kernel module? |
| 20:41.27 | bsf123 | The laptop I have seems not to be able to use the fans anymore. |
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| 20:51.27 | eugenmayer | with debian stretch, do i really need to add a bridge with a custom script during startup? |
| 20:51.40 | eugenmayer | auto vmbr0 |
| 20:51.49 | eugenmayer | does not create any bridge actually |
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| 21:11.32 | kernelnewbie | hi, can i ask sources related questions here, and how to make debian packages? |
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| 21:13.03 | mtn | kernelnewbie, this might help you: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
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| 21:14.22 | ber532k | kernelnewbie: Also I just uploded a really simple example for a binary package yesterday to help some other guy on this channel: https://github.com/ber532k/simpleshutdown-deb |
| 21:14.25 | annadane | kernelnewbie, you can ask about sources here, but for how to make debian packages see the link mtn posted, or ask in #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 21:14.35 | annadane | (irc.oftc.net) |
| 21:15.16 | ber532k | I don't know about source packages though |
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| 21:20.21 | bsf123 | So, turns out the defaults for fan-speed ranges are not sane. |
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| 21:32.47 | bsf123 | Anyway, problem fixed. If anyone using a laptop has issues with fans and stretch (standard), make them check if there's any daemon actually managing fanspeeds installed. |
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| 22:01.52 | durg | hi |
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| 22:02.06 | durg | is there a way to set the default iptables policy to DROP? |
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| 22:03.09 | durg | so that all packets are dropped unless i change my mind |
| 22:05.31 | frostschutz | durg, iptables --policy? |
| 22:06.36 | petemc | durg: usually you put that at the end of your ruleset |
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| 22:06.47 | durg | that would change the policy, but i want it to be 'DROP' from the start |
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| 22:07.45 | durg | instead of ACCEPT |
| 22:08.15 | frostschutz | durg, that's what it does. you change the policy and then it will drop |
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| 22:08.53 | strangethings | I've noticed some strange behaviors after upgrading from jessie to stretch -- 1st, I'm no longer able to highlight text and past into a vim editor anymore. I used to be able to do this by putting vim into insert mode, but now it doesn't work anymore |
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| 22:09.48 | strangethings | 2 - now that I've updated, everytime I try and do a search in firefox-esr, I have to hit the enter key twice |
| 22:10.06 | strangethings | should I just take a few days and do a fresh install? |
| 22:10.12 | strangethings | or more like a week |
| 22:11.04 | strangethings | 1 more thing, is there a way to obtain a list of what's installed now on my system, so that after I do a fresh install I can install all the same packages and dependencies? |
| 22:11.11 | strangethings | maybe that's best |
| 22:11.13 | durg | the background is that i installed some scripts in /etc/network/pre-up-if.d, but i do not trust them yet and want to check if they really work. |
| 22:12.09 | durg | so where would i set the -P DROP policy at system startup? |
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| 22:15.15 | durg | there is apt list --installed |
| 22:15.56 | Tramp | !debian clone |
| 22:15.56 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>. |
| 22:16.00 | Tramp | strangethings: ^^ |
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| 22:17.02 | durg | ah that is cool |
| 22:18.07 | petemc | strangethings: the vim thing is a change in defaults, you need to create a .vimrc with set mouse-=a |
| 22:18.20 | petemc | i find it annoying too |
| 22:19.46 | Vizva | fallen to energy saving screen and then come back 2 screens are there |
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| 22:20.13 | durg | i wonder if cloning with dpkg or feeding apt-get with all the packages from 'apt list --installed' gives the same result |
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| 22:20.29 | Vizva | therefore i had the first times the screen nr one - i was wait so long that screen saver come in |
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| 22:22.16 | Vizva | and the colors are so clear and wonderful - no fraquments - i think video will be lovely |
| 22:23.21 | durg | not sure what the question is, is there a problem with the screens due to energy management? |
| 22:23.34 | strangethings | just curious, does anyone else have problems with stretch after installing from jessie, or can anyone that has installed stretch from scratch let me know if they are having the above mentioned problems |
| 22:23.42 | strangethings | copy and past to vim don't work no more |
| 22:24.08 | strangethings | firefox-esr search required hitting the enter key twice now |
| 22:24.27 | durg | i didn't experience that firefox-esr thing |
| 22:24.29 | Vizva | iam sorry all i did say in the wrong channel |
| 22:24.30 | strangethings | just wondering if it's because I went from jessie to stretch |
| 22:24.41 | durg | fresh install |
| 22:24.43 | strangethings | durg: good to know |
| 22:25.22 | strangethings | I'm waiting on a couple SSD drives here, finally paid the piper, so will dry a fresh install on one of those |
| 22:25.39 | durg | no problem |
| 22:25.56 | durg | ah, that is cool, strangethings |
| 22:26.21 | strangethings | only problem is that I need a way to install all the same dependancies and packages as I've built some things from source and I'll have to track them down otherwise, any ideas on how to do that? |
| 22:26.30 | strangethings | I've been searching for feels like a week now |
| 22:26.43 | strangethings | what feels like a week now |
| 22:26.53 | petemc | strangethings: press shift when right click pasting into vim, or change .vimrc as i suggested |
| 22:27.23 | durg | read about 'one of the ways of clonging debian' above |
| 22:27.30 | durg | *cloning |
| 22:28.10 | durg | its probably best to just copy the source and/or bins to the fresh install |
| 22:28.49 | strangethings | right, copy them over, but I'll need to make sure the dependancies are installed. I'll look into the cloning as suggested |
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| 22:29.43 | durg | it is simple, it just puts all the selections in a file and rereads them later |
| 22:29.50 | durg | sounds exactly like what you want |
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| 22:30.36 | strangethings | yes, that is exactly what I'm looking for |
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| 22:32.08 | strangethings | I just did another test, copied some text from firefox-esr, then tried to past it, reads "E353 nothing to register" a number of times then finally inserts it |
| 22:32.42 | strangethings | that's if I do a ctrl-c to copy the text, but highlighting from another xterm does not work |
| 22:32.50 | strangethings | definitely not working as usual |
| 22:33.04 | strangethings | but this clone thing should make a fresh install not to much work |
| 22:33.23 | durg | i don't have had good experiences with distroupgrades as well, that is why i usually reinstall or keep the older version |
| 22:33.38 | durg | *i didn't have |
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| 22:36.31 | durg | wow just read that loadlin can replace the windows kernel with a linux kernel |
| 22:37.52 | strangethings | well, thanks for the advice durg, gotta go now |
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| 22:44.43 | david1 | Does anyone know how to fix the bug of the SDL version 1 that comes with Debian? I read it needs to be upgraded, but I can't find the page again. I know it doesn't work because I tried using prboom-plus for doom and the audio doesn't work right usind SDL, which you need for full quality sound. |
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| 23:16.33 | evilbug | why the hell is firefox-esr the default in debian? |
| 23:18.10 | petemc | evilbug: do you know how debian stable works? |
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| 23:18.27 | evilbug | stretch? |
| 23:18.58 | Epakai | pretty sure it's a global conspiracy, or because it's easier to use upstream's efforts than backport security fixes constantly |
| 23:19.28 | evilbug | it's just silly that firefox isn't up to date. if it's headless server you're not installing any browsers but for a desktop it'd make sense to have a stable, up to date browser in the repos by default. |
| 23:19.54 | evilbug | might as well just offer ie6. |
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| 23:20.48 | evilbug | not trolling, i love debian. this specific firefox thing though is baffling to me. |
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| 23:21.30 | petemc | this is not a new argument |
| 23:21.33 | awal1 | "efforts than backport security fixes constantly"? can you do it for us? maintain constantly |
| 23:21.54 | Epakai | this is what it is to be stable in debian. only security and critical fix updates |
| 23:21.58 | awal1 | it's easier to use upstream's efforts than backport security fixes constantly |
| 23:22.38 | awal1 | he says :D |
| 23:23.48 | awal1 | evilbug, you can use firefox standard |
| 23:24.00 | evilbug | i know i can, i've even installed the beta on my system. |
| 23:24.16 | evilbug | but esr is a silly thing especially since even certain plugins don't support it. |
| 23:24.57 | evilbug | might as well just not include firefox, period. i get maintaining is pita but i say either maintain up to date or skip it. |
| 23:25.30 | annadane | i think you're the first person i've ever heard complain about firefox-esr being in debian |
| 23:25.56 | evilbug | well if plugins i've installed don't support a version that old why wouldn't i complain? |
| 23:26.07 | evilbug | bitch and moan, as it were. |
| 23:26.19 | evilbug | oh, hi bitch :) |
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| 23:27.05 | evilbug | it's like how edge and internet explorer come with windows. why bother including them when nobody uses them... |
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| 23:28.49 | klys | i appreciate how we have a dfsg-compliant version of mozilla's browser in debian. |
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| 23:29.38 | dvs | better than nuthin |
| 23:29.50 | evilbug | but it's out of date :/ |
| 23:30.12 | dvs | its still useful |
| 23:30.17 | klys | free software is not going out of date anytime soon |
| 23:30.35 | evilbug | so what if i want to install ublock? |
| 23:30.54 | evilbug | and have the faster engine. |
| 23:30.56 | annadane | ,v firefox-esr |
| 23:30.57 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.4.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.4.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.4.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.4.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.4.0esr-2~deb7u1; buster: 52.4.0esr-2; sid: 52.4.0esr-2 |
| 23:31.11 | dvs | ,v firefox |
| 23:31.12 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 56.0-2; experimental: 57.0~b6-1 |
| 23:31.25 | annadane | ah, well, i was going to say ublock works for me in firefox-esr but i'm using sid which has a newer version so can't vouch for stretch |
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| 23:31.56 | klys | and I appreciate using a browser that can still work with tab-mix-plus. |
| 23:32.32 | dvs | annadane, #debian-next!!!! ;-) |
| 23:32.49 | annadane | well, to be fair, with esr you might expect it to be the same version |
| 23:34.11 | coruja | firefox-esr will probably be updated for stretch when a new esr version is released, firefox won't appear in stretch anyway |
| 23:34.32 | annadane | honestly, just use a newer firefox, you don't have to bitch about it |
| 23:34.32 | klys | and i think it's weird to expect a proprietary broswer tree to replace core elements of a maintained and popular debian project. |
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| 23:35.13 | annadane | i actually didn't know regular firefox was proprietary. that's a surprise. |
| 23:35.47 | klys | well, perhaps it is not, though the fsf considered the mpl a non-free / harmful license long ago. |
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| 23:36.53 | oerheks | annadane, no it is not, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox |
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