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| 00:26.08 | squib0 | having an issue with a docker container where I can't figure out what is setting PS1. this could also have nothing to do with docker and just be being dumb. I've renamed ~/.bashrc and ~/.profile so in theory I've eliminated those two files. |
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| 00:35.06 | somiaj | squib0: ther eis also /etc/profile, /etc/bashrc and ~/.bash_profile, various things that can be read during the startup of bash. man bash for more info |
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| 00:39.42 | squib0 | somiaj, I got it, it was in /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 00:39.50 | squib0 | weird file name but that's what /etc/profile was looking for |
| 00:39.52 | squib0 | \o/ |
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| 01:01.09 | Eclipsenewbie | Could someone help me with this question? |
| 01:01.31 | Eclipsenewbie | https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/ |
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| 01:08.21 | Eclipsenewbie | This one: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/cinnamon-crashes-when-open-many-windows-4175614760/ |
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| 02:10.09 | Kiril | hello |
| 02:10.17 | Kiril | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.19 | Kiril | Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them. |
| 02:10.22 | Kiril | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 02:10.27 | Kiril | any ideas ? |
| 02:10.42 | Kiril | i can not remove them using apt-get remove --purge libarchive13 liblzo2-2 also apt autoremove |
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| 02:16.53 | Kiril | anyone ? |
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| 02:18.37 | mns | Kiril: what sort of errors do you get, that you can't remove them ? |
| 02:19.17 | Kiril | nothing |
| 02:19.42 | Kiril | After this operation, 1,041 kB disk space will be freed. |
| 02:19.42 | Kiril | Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Abort. |
| 02:19.47 | Kiril | ... |
| 02:21.16 | mns | can you paste to paste.debian.net your entire session ? |
| 02:21.27 | mns | I usually do something like: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get autoremove && apt-get autoclean && apt-get clean |
| 02:22.02 | mns | some of it may b redundant, but hasn't caused any issues so far |
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| 02:22.23 | Kiril | mns: sure |
| 02:22.40 | somiaj | Kiril: so what is your issue if you aren't getting any errors? I guess I don't quite follow, though I'll wait for your paste, it may show stuff |
| 02:23.45 | mns | Kiril: you are running those commands as root, yes ? |
| 02:23.52 | Kiril | of course |
| 02:24.23 | Kiril | https://paste.ubuntu.com/25642955/ |
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| 02:25.19 | prappl93 | Is it automatically aborting? |
| 02:25.25 | Kiril | yep |
| 02:25.38 | somiaj | Kiril: I still don't see what your issue is, things seem just fine? |
| 02:25.55 | mns | I was just about to ask why he was aborting but it seems like its auto-aborting |
| 02:26.06 | Kiril | it is auto-aborting |
| 02:26.07 | somiaj | What are you typing? To me it sounds like you are hitting N or some abort key. |
| 02:26.20 | somiaj | oh so you don't get stoped at the prompt it just goes. |
| 02:26.27 | Kiril | yep |
| 02:26.43 | somiaj | Kiril: try adding a -y to the command line (this implies you already will say yes) does it still abrot on you? |
| 02:27.08 | mns | Why do the package names have a * at the end of them |
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| 02:27.16 | somiaj | mns: that means purge |
| 02:27.27 | Kiril | somiaj: yep i forgot for this little trick |
| 02:27.28 | mns | ahh ok |
| 02:27.59 | Kiril | https://paste.ubuntu.com/25642979/ |
| 02:28.01 | somiaj | Kiril: Did that work? It still doesn't solve your problem, but may give some key, might have some apt preference, APT::Get::Assume-No could be set. |
| 02:28.04 | Kiril | i believe it's a bug |
| 02:28.12 | somiaj | Kiril: what version of debian? |
| 02:28.19 | Kiril | latest |
| 02:28.28 | somiaj | Kiril: you mean stretch? |
| 02:28.32 | somiaj | ,v libarchive13 |
| 02:28.34 | Kiril | root@Zeus(~)# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:28.34 | Kiril | 9.1 |
| 02:28.34 | judd | Package: libarchive13 on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 3.1.2-11+deb8u3~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.1.2-11+deb8u3; jessie-security: 3.1.2-11+deb8u3; stretch: 3.2.2-2; buster: 3.2.2-3.1; sid: 3.2.2-3.1 |
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| 02:29.37 | somiaj | Kiril: I doubt this is a bug in stretch, probably some strange setting. |
| 02:29.58 | somiaj | Kiril: can we have the output of cat /etc/apt/preferences and also the contents of any file in /etc/apt/preferences.d |
| 02:30.07 | Kiril | sure |
| 02:30.29 | somiaj | I wonder if somehow you set that APT::Get::Assume-No, forcing all things to abort |
| 02:31.00 | mns | and /etc/apt/apt.conf and /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
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| 02:31.42 | Kiril | https://paste.ubuntu.com/25643002/ |
| 02:32.30 | mns | any files /etc/apt/apt.conf.d ? |
| 02:32.37 | Kiril | yep |
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| 02:33.14 | Kiril | https://paste.ubuntu.com/25643011/ |
| 02:34.36 | somiaj | Kiril: do you still want to remove whowatch, try this, 'apt purge whowatch' |
| 02:34.51 | somiaj | see if this is only an issue with apt-get or if apt also is experincing this |
| 02:35.13 | Kiril | it works with -y |
| 02:35.26 | somiaj | without the -y, wanted to see if this was only an apt-get issue, or apt has the problem |
| 02:35.27 | Kiril | without -y don't |
| 02:35.29 | somiaj | also maybe check aptitude |
| 02:35.47 | somiaj | does aptitude purge foo, fail too without adding a -y? |
| 02:36.13 | Kiril | well i have already removed the package |
| 02:36.21 | somiaj | yea, you would have to try with something else, |
| 02:36.26 | somiaj | how about install it, then remove it |
| 02:36.38 | somiaj | see if you ahve the same issue where apt-get, apt or aptitude fail without the -y flag. |
| 02:36.45 | somiaj | this to me is saying you have some setting somewhere making -n default. |
| 02:37.51 | Kiril | lolz :) |
| 02:38.06 | mns | some environment setting perhaps ? |
| 02:38.18 | somiaj | good thought mns, the output of env should help with that |
| 02:38.40 | Kiril | https://paste.ubuntu.com/25643035/ |
| 02:39.14 | Kiril | https://paste.ubuntu.com/25643039/ |
| 02:39.23 | somiaj | Kiril: why don't you have aptitude installed? |
| 02:39.46 | Kiril | well suprize suprize :) |
| 02:39.49 | somiaj | you should also really be using 'stretch' and not 'stable' in your soruces.list |
| 02:40.13 | somiaj | I guess it is optional, just not use to it not being installed. |
| 02:40.36 | Kiril | well what do you think |
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| 02:41.00 | somiaj | Kiril: are you running this inside of a docker container? |
| 02:41.30 | somiaj | Kiril: I don't see anything, but I don't think this is a bug, I still think this is some configuration issue as apt-get -y, or apt -y works, your apt is just defaulting to 'n' |
| 02:41.32 | Kiril | the server is hosted as a vps in OVH |
| 02:42.45 | somiaj | so there is a --no-remove or a configuration APT::Get::Remove that says apt will abort if anything is tried to be removed, though it also does this on an install |
| 02:43.01 | somiaj | Kiril: hmm, I've recentally heard of other people have strange issues with OVH, wonder if it is something they have done. |
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| 02:43.55 | somiaj | I don't see why your apt is acting this way, unsure if just having to append -y is best. Maybe you should do a --dry-run first, just to make sure apt doesn't do anything surprising, then run it with -y second as a workaround. If you wait around others might have some other ideas where to look for why apt is behaving this way on your system. |
| 02:44.23 | somiaj | or just use aptitude, seems like it doesn't have this problem |
| 02:44.28 | mns | Kiril: is there a config in ~root ? I'm not sure where it would be under ~root though |
| 02:44.40 | Kiril | root@Zeus(~)# virt-what |
| 02:44.40 | Kiril | kvm |
| 02:45.12 | Kiril | there is a .config |
| 02:46.11 | mns | .config is a directory. see if there is anything in there. might have to check the apt and/or apt-get man pages to see what locations config information is located at. |
| 02:46.24 | Kiril | of course it's a dir |
| 02:46.35 | somiaj | Kiril: cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/* -- lets just look at everyone of the files in that dir just to make sure. |
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| 02:47.04 | somiaj | I don't think apt uses $HOME or ~root for any of its config info, I do not see this listed in the manpage, though wont' hurt to look |
| 02:47.09 | Kiril | https://paste.ubuntu.com/25643074/ |
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| 02:47.39 | somiaj | Kiril: output of this command, 'apt-config dump' |
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| 02:48.33 | Kiril | https://paste.ubuntu.com/25643080/ |
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| 02:50.37 | mns | looks pretty standard |
| 02:50.46 | Kiril | indeed :) |
| 02:51.24 | somiaj | Kiril: apt-cache policy apt |
| 02:51.50 | Kiril | https://paste.ubuntu.com/25643099/ |
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| 02:53.46 | mns | Kiril: How about adding APT::Get::AutomaticRemove "true"; to your /etc/apt/apt.conf ? See if that helps with the apt-get autoremove command at least. |
| 02:54.13 | mns | Of course, I doubt it will do anything for the case where you want to install or such. |
| 02:54.29 | somiaj | I don't think that will help, you may just have to use the -y flag until you figure out what sort of voodoo you have going on |
| 02:54.31 | Kiril | there is no conf /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 02:54.43 | somiaj | Kiril: you can create one, or create a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/foo.conf |
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| 02:56.28 | Kiril | by default you should be promted which is close to reasonable |
| 02:57.04 | mns | hmmm can you re-install apt and apt-get ? or at least re-install apt-get and see if that helps. |
| 02:57.31 | Kiril | yep why not :) |
| 02:58.36 | Kiril | apt-get install --reinstall apt-get |
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| 03:00.08 | mns | yeah something like that. |
| 03:00.45 | mns | after that, I'm all out of ideas. |
| 03:01.01 | Kiril | https://paste.ubuntu.com/25643147/ |
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| 03:02.52 | Kiril | https://paste.ubuntu.com/25643156/ |
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| 03:05.00 | mns | so still the same. |
| 03:05.08 | Kiril | is there any script or whatever that makes you backup on every .conf with hish path ? |
| 03:05.08 | mns | sorry I'm all out of ideas |
| 03:05.27 | Kiril | mns: yep the same |
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| 03:48.33 | u0_a2321 | exit |
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| 03:56.15 | tiwake | hey, I recently went though a PXE netboot install, but don't recall seeing an option to encrypt the drive... did I miss that option or is it hidden in there somewhere? |
| 03:56.32 | tiwake | *went through |
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| 04:29.30 | awoserra | Hi, i'm getting an error PARTUUID not found |
| 04:29.45 | awoserra | but fstab looks OK compared with blkid |
| 04:30.20 | awoserra | i have the fs mounted ro and need rw, but get a mount error -1 when i try to remount |
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| 04:31.09 | awoserra | i have root shell but no job control >< |
| 04:31.20 | awoserra | fsck also returns PARTUUID error |
| 04:34.38 | awoserra | i don't get how mount can't remount / if it's already mounted >< |
| 04:35.02 | awoserra | mount: can't find PARTUUID=blah-03 |
| 04:35.07 | awoserra | er 02* |
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| 05:09.57 | bsld | So I was able to install lm-sensors and later I find there is no such file present on my system "/etc/apt/sources.list"? |
| 05:10.02 | bsld | How is this possible? |
| 05:10.15 | bsld | I don't care |
| 05:10.46 | bsld | Matter of fact is I want to install non-free nvidia software |
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| 05:21.05 | bsld | Why is linux debian one lying bitch? |
| 05:21.18 | bsld | WHy its documentation doesnt mere shit |
| 05:21.44 | bsld | Why I don't have "/etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 05:21.57 | bsld | Sorry but |
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| 05:23.26 | bsld | Even when I use "find / -iname "sources.list" nothing popups but |
| 05:24.02 | bsld | "sudo find / -iname "sources.list"" |
| 05:25.57 | bsld | Only gives something like "/lib/live/mount/rootfs/filesystem.squashfs/usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list" |
| 05:26.13 | bsld | And "/usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list" |
| 05:26.24 | Sir_Designer | well, sweet jesus, use that and install yer own |
| 05:26.49 | bsld | When I create "/etc/apt/sources.list" using gedit... |
| 05:27.06 | bsld | with "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free" |
| 05:27.27 | bsld | I still can't install "sudo aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's/[^-]*-[^-]*-//') nvidia-driver" |
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| 05:27.56 | bsld | So it seems this file is meaningless in my system |
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| 05:28.18 | nkuttler | bsld: install debian if you want debian. don't use a live image |
| 05:28.29 | bsld | Don't tell me what to do |
| 05:28.46 | nkuttler | alright, go troll somewhere else |
| 05:28.51 | bsld | I would use osx anyday over linux |
| 05:29.13 | nkuttler | but you don't have the monies? |
| 05:29.18 | bsld | But I have currently debian on a USB stickj |
| 05:29.32 | nkuttler | poor you |
| 05:29.36 | bsld | So I demand you to help me |
| 05:29.44 | bsld | please |
| 05:30.11 | nkuttler | how is that approach working for you? |
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| 07:46.55 | jair | hello all, I am noticing that when booting my system I get this >> "a stop job is running fail2ban blah blah 1.90s and counting |
| 07:47.27 | jair | is there an issue if I disable that stop job? I am at this point just restarting the system... |
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| 07:54.30 | sandwitch | look in your syslog file, fail2ban is hanging fort soms kind if reason. |
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| 08:05.59 | shalok | With both xscreensaver and gnome-screensaver, the power and suspend buttons don't work. |
| 08:06.28 | shalok | It just shows the lock dialog (password entry). |
| 08:06.44 | shalok | Are there any screensavers that allow the power and suspend buttons to still work? |
| 08:07.15 | at0m | shalok: looks like the button works, but that it's just assigned to the wrong command |
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| 08:07.36 | shalok | at0m: It doesn't work for me. It's definitely got the right command... |
| 08:07.52 | at0m | shalok: so that's why your screen locks? |
| 08:07.55 | shalok | at0m: i.e. I can sleep/suspend just fine when the screensaver lock screen is not showing. |
| 08:08.06 | at0m | ah |
| 08:08.50 | shalok | at0m: Yeah I think you understood the question not the way I intended. |
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| 08:18.58 | jair | sandwitch: will check |
| 08:19.08 | jair | sandwitch: thanks |
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| 08:32.21 | hellyeah | i need some help |
| 08:32.41 | at0m | shalok: have a look at /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh and others there |
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| 08:34.34 | at0m | shalok: /etc/acpi/ scripts make the acpi events system-wide, and will persist after screen lock or logout. |
| 08:35.15 | shalok | at0m: I already have that script set. |
| 08:35.41 | at0m | on my other machine the script is /etc/acpi/powerbtn-acpi-support.sh |
| 08:39.04 | hellyeah | i got this message "bluetooth adapter not detected or bluetooth manager was not started." |
| 08:39.12 | hellyeah | i didnt get such message before |
| 08:39.16 | hellyeah | hoew can i fix that? |
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| 08:42.43 | hellyeah | please someone help |
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| 08:43.58 | at0m | give it some time, hellyeah! |
| 08:44.11 | hellyeah | sorry :p |
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| 08:48.29 | hellyeah | lamp does not exist anymore |
| 08:48.37 | hellyeah | i see you exclude mysql |
| 08:48.48 | hellyeah | there is naria packages |
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| 08:49.05 | at0m | mariadb replaces mysql |
| 08:49.36 | at0m | so, still laMp stack :) |
| 08:49.53 | hellyeah | you may update your wiki :D |
| 08:50.05 | at0m | so may you. and it's not 'mine' |
| 08:50.30 | hellyeah | D |
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| 08:51.00 | hellyeah | btw |
| 08:51.02 | hellyeah | root@debian:/home/hellyeah# synaptic |
| 08:51.02 | hellyeah | No protocol specified |
| 08:51.02 | hellyeah | ** (synaptic:6636): WARNING **: Could not open X display |
| 08:51.02 | hellyeah | Segmentation fault |
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| 08:51.15 | hellyeah | sorry |
| 08:51.51 | hellyeah | is it a problem http://dpaste.com/2S9NVP3 ? |
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| 08:53.36 | vyrn | Hello |
| 08:53.39 | at0m | root doesn't have permissions on your X display. try either aptitude (for console) or "gksu/kdesu synaptic" |
| 08:53.51 | at0m | hellyeah: ^ |
| 08:53.59 | vyrn | I've a question not related to Debian, but that debian pros might be able to have an interesting insight on |
| 08:54.03 | hellyeah | humm |
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| 08:54.10 | hellyeah | it have worked before |
| 08:54.14 | Alberto | g'day |
| 08:54.17 | Alberto | 'o' |
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| 08:57.15 | vyrn | Me and my gf are talking on Whatsapp. We're exchanging hardcore nudes and videos. Basically me cumming like it was nofap 1000th day and my gf fingering herself and licking her own fingers like she hasn't drunk anything since a week. Now I've the message: "the security code has changed" I looked for it and it seems to indicate that her instance of whatsapp was reintalled. But she tells me she never reinstalled it. She has an iphone 7 plu |
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| 08:57.44 | vyrn | How could have anyone spoofed her whatsapp instance? |
| 08:58.57 | vyrn | Her dad is a network engineer. I know he probably has the skill to do that. I just wonder how he did. |
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| 08:59.46 | hellyeah | do i need to assign a password for gksu? |
| 08:59.58 | Sveta | no, it is the same as your user's password |
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| 09:00.09 | hellyeah | it didnt accept it |
| 09:00.18 | Sveta | what did it say? |
| 09:00.19 | vyrn | She never left her phone alone. She never synced her whatsapp to anything. |
| 09:00.40 | Sveta | she needs to ask whatsapp the details |
| 09:00.41 | at0m | hellyeah: to become root, give gksu root password |
| 09:00.56 | Sveta | thanks at0m, I did not know that |
| 09:01.28 | at0m | Sveta: sudo asks for user's password, to auth as the user that will get root as per sudoers. |
| 09:02.01 | at0m | vyrn: your whatsapp issues are totally offtopic here. ask whatsapp support. |
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| 09:02.17 | hellyeah | let me check again |
| 09:02.43 | vyrn | at0m: I know. I'm sorry. I just like this irc and hoped for an interesting answer. |
| 09:03.00 | at0m | vyrn: do we look as if we care about whatsapp? |
| 09:03.13 | Sveta | vyrn we do not have enough information; whatsapp support will need to check logs on their server |
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| 09:03.40 | vyrn | Sveta: I'll do that, thanks. |
| 09:03.40 | at0m | Sveta: this is #debian, not #whatsapp |
| 09:03.56 | vyrn | Have a nice day everyone :) |
| 09:04.11 | Sveta | at0m yes I know, I am providing further advice about why asking them would be better |
| 09:04.39 | Sveta | hellyeah ok |
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| 09:10.16 | hellyeah | when i enable debian screen reader, it doent work on chrome. Any information about that? |
| 09:11.47 | jair | is there a way to reboot the system without having to wait for systemctl to finish with "stop job is running"... |
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| 09:11.59 | jair | I just want to reboot as fast as possible... |
| 09:12.18 | jair | without powering off the button for 3 seconds of course |
| 09:12.33 | joko | Hello, I'm on Debian Stretch, is it possible to install a package and do not enable its service by default? |
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| 09:34.21 | Bierdieb | Hello. Is there any chance to get help making OpenCL working on Debian stretch with my Radeon RX580 GFX device? im trying for days now and did not find any solution. Proprietary drivers are available for Ubuntu / Arch only. |
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| 09:38.22 | Bierdieb | there seems to be a guy managed to make that work, but i dont know howto install just parts from the drivers bundle: http://paste.debian.net/988433 |
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| 09:49.38 | Druid | how can I restrict a user's access to his/her home directory? |
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| 09:50.24 | teclo- | man chmod |
| 09:50.30 | knx | Druid: chroot |
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| 09:52.13 | Nik05 | Druid you dont want a user to only have access to his home directory. Because then it doesnt ahve access to any program. You can use chmod on /home if you want to |
| 09:52.44 | Druid | chmod 701 /home ? |
| 09:52.58 | Nik05 | I think there is also an option to chmod new user directory so that only that user can access it |
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| 09:55.06 | Nik05 | Druid do you only have ssh users? |
| 09:55.27 | Druid | yes |
| 09:55.46 | Druid | and sftp |
| 09:56.16 | Druid | that comes in ssh I think because sftp is ftp over ssh |
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| 09:57.57 | Nik05 | Druid you only want sftp access not ssh? |
| 09:58.08 | Nik05 | Becuase then you can chroot like knx said |
| 09:58.09 | Druid | I want both |
| 09:58.19 | Druid | Nik05, |
| 09:59.19 | Nik05 | Druid lookup how to configure debian so that new users get there own group, and not the users group. Lookup how chmod and umask works and configure the user directories as you like. |
| 10:00.03 | Druid | Okay. Thanks Nik05 . |
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| 10:00.48 | Nik05 | Druid also lookout on how +x works on directories |
| 10:01.10 | Druid | okay |
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| 10:05.30 | Nik05 | Druid, sorry I dont have enough time now. But I think this will get you started https://superuser.com/a/615990 |
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| 10:06.15 | Druid | Nik05, what a coincidence! I was reading that one right now. Thanks |
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| 10:11.37 | Nik05 | Druid it could be that Debian already changed some configuration, the post is for Ubuntu and already 4 years old. |
| 10:12.07 | Druid | It works |
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| 10:21.22 | OS-28504 | !ghost |
| 10:21.22 | dpkg | hmm... ghost is for current information in Debian, see http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-0235 |
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| 10:23.06 | vyadha | this relates to IPSEC vpn |
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| 10:41.43 | Lyberta | hi, I have an ATI card with proprietary firmware and free amdgpu driver, does it work with 120 hz monitor? |
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| 10:51.15 | _Maik_ | Hello, has anyone tried the tftpd-hpa on debian 9? |
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| 10:53.12 | at0m | !anyone |
| 10:53.13 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 10:53.25 | _Maik_ | on a fresh installation the tftpd-hpa server is running but doesnt response to get commands |
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| 10:55.10 | hellyeah | why i cannot run program in root mode |
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| 10:56.24 | at0m | hellyeah: still trying on that synaptic? |
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| 10:59.10 | Hallodri | hellyeah you could instal krusader |
| 10:59.27 | Hallodri | from a terminal su |
| 10:59.32 | Hallodri | then start krusader |
| 10:59.55 | Hallodri | inside you can open alot of console and each into can you start a root program |
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| 11:00.44 | at0m | Hallodri: krusader is not the way to run as root. |
| 11:00.46 | Hallodri | but you need to set path for kdesudo |
| 11:00.57 | hellyeah | at0m, no |
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| 11:01.18 | at0m | and instead of messing with synaptic, better try aptitude, an ncurses interface for apt |
| 11:01.19 | hellyeah | just wonder because i could run program while i was root in debian 8 |
| 11:01.28 | Hallodri | at0m give more explanation |
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| 11:01.50 | hellyeah | ncurses |
| 11:01.54 | hellyeah | i didnt now that one |
| 11:02.00 | at0m | Hallodri: krusader has loads of dependensies and is a huge detour just to run smth as root. |
| 11:02.16 | nobi081 | Hi there, does anybody know how to get the "google akonadi resource" within korganizer to sync from google->local? local-> google seems to work, but not the other way round. Bug?? |
| 11:02.26 | hellyeah | btw in debian 9 aptitude didnt come in default |
| 11:02.29 | Hallodri | i can run in xfce4 too programs from su |
| 11:02.37 | at0m | and, really, root has no business to run anything graphical IMHO. |
| 11:02.41 | Hallodri | xfce is small |
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| 11:03.07 | Hallodri | at0m gparted is useful |
| 11:03.09 | hellyeah | at0m, you can run synaptic also run some editor for changing some configuration files etc. |
| 11:03.20 | Hallodri | kvpm |
| 11:03.50 | Alberto | kvpm? |
| 11:03.51 | at0m | Hallodri: gparted, the gnome UI for... parted? what's wrong with parted? |
| 11:04.05 | hellyeah | and gparted |
| 11:04.13 | Hallodri | at0m not all peoples are like you |
| 11:04.17 | hellyeah | i guess he is using kde |
| 11:04.26 | Hallodri | kvpm is for manage lvm |
| 11:04.31 | at0m | i'm probably biased, and will leave support for this to someone else. |
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| 11:05.45 | Hallodri | today with the big hd's still peoples want to stay very small |
| 11:06.07 | Hallodri | thats understandabe for a openbsd server but for debian? |
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| 11:09.30 | Hallodri | and then you can gain some expirience too to play the big fat x system |
| 11:09.34 | Hallodri | ;) |
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| 11:10.13 | Hallodri | security can be useful with virtualbox inside |
| 11:10.19 | at0m | and then you can get stuck and bug volunteer support channel with big silly questions |
| 11:10.39 | Hallodri | i did use linux from start on maybe 1991 |
| 11:10.43 | Hallodri | and learn alot |
| 11:10.48 | Hallodri | always play big |
| 11:11.08 | vyadha | is there a way to add a bash alias for ssh user@serverIP where the serverIP changes? this is for a google VM |
| 11:11.35 | tremon | yes, it's called DNS |
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| 11:11.42 | Hallodri | at0m what do you think are all the packages for? |
| 11:12.12 | Hallodri | and the peoples working on try to make them secure |
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| 11:13.34 | vyadha | tremon: how will I use DNS with a google VM, unless I setup something like dyDns client on the VM, |
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| 11:14.53 | tremon | ask google to provide a better service? |
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| 11:15.12 | vyadha | really helpful, not! |
| 11:15.37 | tremon | well what you're asking for is how to programmatically determine the ip address of a remote server |
| 11:15.45 | vyadha | no |
| 11:16.09 | Hallodri | whats a google vm? |
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| 11:16.51 | vyadha | I can write a bash script to do it with the new IP as an argument, but was wondering if there is a way to do it with a bash alias |
| 11:16.55 | vyadha | Hallodri: yes |
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| 11:17.23 | tremon | not with an alias, but you can with a bash function |
| 11:17.33 | Hallodri | if we can easy understand you there is maybe a way to help with |
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| 11:20.38 | vyadha | Hallodri: sorry, I might not be explaining myself properly, every time I start the google VM it gets a different external IP but the ssh command with the key and local forward is very long to type, the only thing that changes in the command is the IP of the VM so I was wondering if there is a way to use bash alias to reduce typing |
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| 11:21.07 | tremon | you need a function: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/CompoundCommands#Functions |
| 11:21.18 | ledufakademy | hello how, rebuild apt trused gpg key ? |
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| 11:21.58 | tremon | although an alias can work if you use -l: alias sshvm="ssh -l user" |
| 11:22.33 | Hallodri | i just dont know whats a google vm - # |
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| 11:23.02 | vyadha | Hallodri: https://support.google.com/cloud/answer/6256233?hl=en |
| 11:23.07 | tremon | I assume it's an IAAS server instance |
| 11:23.14 | vyadha | yep |
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| 11:24.15 | Hallodri | i would run such things in a virtualbox |
| 11:25.12 | vyadha | Hallodri: need a high ram instance for uni, also they have $370 free credits, perfect for students |
| 11:25.24 | Hallodri | alot of unknown code and you can go back to former states with snapshots |
| 11:25.32 | Alberto | contaplus |
| 11:25.38 | Alberto | old stuff |
| 11:25.42 | Hallodri | or create a lvm snapshot or a zfs one |
| 11:27.01 | Hallodri | <vyadha how many ram it needs? |
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| 11:28.21 | vyadha | tremon: is the option -I an upper case i or an lower case L? |
| 11:28.28 | tremon | lower case l |
| 11:28.48 | vyadha | Hallodri: around 20+GB and it can be increased on the fly |
| 11:29.11 | Hallodri | thats not my league |
| 11:30.05 | vyadha | tremon: that just species the user, what about the server, will it prompt for the host? |
| 11:30.48 | vyadha | Hallodri: need that ram for loading large datasets, it doesnt hurt that it is absolutely free |
| 11:31.03 | tremon | no, you specify it on the command line when using the alais: sshvm my.ip.he.re |
| 11:31.13 | tremon | *alias |
| 11:31.17 | vyadha | ah got it |
| 11:31.28 | Hallodri | if you have that access ,enjoy it |
| 11:32.05 | vyadha | it's free for anyone, for first one year or until $300+ credit is over |
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| 11:35.47 | Hallodri | for students |
| 11:35.54 | Hallodri | or for anyone? |
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| 11:37.22 | vyadha | for anyone that signs up (like try it for free), you will have to give you credit card details, same deal as AWS but AWS only gives micro server instance, but google gives $300+ credit, much better |
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| 11:40.53 | Hallodri | you could create your own like-facebook in world |
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| 11:44.18 | vyadha | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:46.50 | Hallodri | buts like learn for examen |
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| 11:47.08 | Hallodri | if you use that you have to learn and do everthing perfect not to waste it |
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| 11:49.08 | Hallodri | zfs and snapshots for this |
| 11:49.10 | jair | hello there I am having issues loging in to the system using lightdm details >> http://paste.debian.net/988441/ any help will be appreciated, the greeter shows fine but when entering my username and password it kicks me back to the log in screen |
| 11:49.43 | jair | I am investigating what it's that pam_kwallet.so file |
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| 11:50.48 | vyadha | I do have a ZFS + freebsd server at home for backups, love ZFS, did not use it under debain though, I really like the boot environments feature |
| 11:51.10 | MadJack1899 | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 11:51.17 | vyadha | Hallodri: is boot environments easy to implement under debian? |
| 11:52.08 | tremon | jair: kwallet is the KDE keyring, iirc |
| 11:52.28 | vyadha | Hallodri: last time I checked about this was couple of years ago, and was looking into btrfs but it was not straight forward implementing it under btrfs |
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| 11:52.50 | tremon | probably a reference in /etc/pam.d that you should remove/edit |
| 11:54.00 | vyadha | tremon: thanks for the suggestion, that alias works a treat |
| 11:54.09 | Hallodri | vyadha more easy is to install a defualt system and create zfs for userfiles later |
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| 11:55.05 | Hallodri | for you /home you can use zfs with snapshots too |
| 11:55.12 | vyadha | Hallodri: so it cannot be used as root FS? |
| 11:55.22 | Hallodri | it can |
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| 11:55.49 | Hallodri | https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Debian-Stretch-Root-on-ZFS |
| 11:55.54 | Hallodri | this for example |
| 11:56.32 | Hallodri | but mine is not finished now |
| 11:56.47 | Hallodri | i work on it but i want encrypted one |
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| 11:56.57 | Hallodri | little bit more difficult |
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| 11:57.12 | Alberto | Sure! |
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| 11:57.37 | Hallodri | Alerbto what kind of bot are you? |
| 11:57.42 | Hallodri | Alberto |
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| 11:58.07 | Alberto | ¿???? |
| 11:58.15 | Alberto | I use android phone |
| 11:58.26 | Alberto | XD |
| 11:58.52 | Hallodri | yes but your comments are not conversation its more like a machine sends waste in channel ;) |
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| 12:00.08 | vyadha | Hallodri: so is it production ready or like btrfs still in almost ready state (I think it is in this state for a long time) |
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| 12:00.57 | vyadha | Hallodri: so you are trying to get LUKS then use the LUKS container for ZFS? |
| 12:01.38 | Hallodri | yes |
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| 12:01.58 | Hallodri | i did use before for /home only |
| 12:02.07 | Hallodri | but now i want the root too |
| 12:03.17 | vyadha | Hallodri: I use GELI (BSD version encryption subsystem) and ZFS on top, similar. I dont know about LUKS+ZFS combo but GELI+ZFS Is super stable and a lot of people use it |
| 12:04.00 | Hallodri | i have this too on openbsd and FreeBSD |
| 12:04.15 | Hallodri | openbsd is another i think |
| 12:05.15 | vyadha | Hallodri: I read that openBSD community can be pretty unwelcoming! |
| 12:05.32 | Hallodri | this systems are very good but havent actually all possibilieties like debian |
| 12:06.04 | jair | tremon: but what does that have to do with lightdm and the log in of a system |
| 12:06.09 | Hallodri | no you must to know how to talk to peoples and respect other opinions |
| 12:06.21 | jair | tremon: I tested creating a new user and it is not able to log in either |
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| 12:06.43 | jair | tremon: I also tried accessing with root and I got an error as well |
| 12:06.53 | Hallodri | openbsd you have to play it near the stream but that should be in debian too - not to become a FrankenOS |
| 12:07.05 | jair | tremon: I have no problems loging in via terminal or ssh |
| 12:07.37 | jair | tremon: something with that pam shit is really crazy |
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| 12:07.50 | tremon | PAM is a login framework. it can use different authentication modules for different login methods |
| 12:08.14 | tremon | your terminal login probably doesn't try to start kwallet, since it's a graphical tool |
| 12:08.28 | tremon | and yes, pam is a bad idea |
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| 12:09.35 | tremon | or rather, an overengineered solution to a non-problem |
| 12:09.50 | Hallodri | i did rename /boot to save the files |
| 12:10.17 | Hallodri | but the files are not complete , how can i rebuild them in a system created with debootstrap |
| 12:10.29 | tremon | it's not entirely sure though that kwallet is the cause that's preventing logins though, the session keyrings should be optional |
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| 12:11.18 | Hallodri | thats kwallet go in your way if using kde |
| 12:12.12 | Hallodri | but sometimes i did not see it ask for create a password on start - if it ask for do this you should do or its a pain in * |
| 12:12.15 | jair | tremon: should I try removing completely that PAM package and anything related to it? |
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| 12:12.51 | tremon | I suspect it's already been removed, but not purged (that would explain why the config is there, but not the library) |
| 12:13.15 | tremon | I'd probably try to just remove all reference to it in /etc/pam.d |
| 12:13.25 | jair | tremon: checking |
| 12:14.45 | tremon | you can also do dpkg-reconfigure libpam-runtime and disable the kwallet profile (if it's listed there, not sure it is) |
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| 12:15.04 | jair | tremon: http://paste.debian.net/988443/ |
| 12:15.38 | tremon | jair: grep kwallet /etc/pam.d/* |
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| 12:16.50 | jair | tremon: when runing the dpkg-reconfigure >> http://paste.debian.net/988444/ |
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| 12:18.28 | jair | tremon: but what should I remove though ...>> http://paste.debian.net/988445/ |
| 12:19.15 | tremon | you can edit the files and remove all those lines, but they're all optional -- so they shouldn't cause a login failure |
| 12:19.41 | jair | tremon: right so I will not touch it |
| 12:20.23 | tremon | can you paste the full output of journalctl -xl -u lightdm.service? |
| 12:20.48 | jair | tremon: sure |
| 12:21.55 | jair | tremon: http://paste.debian.net/988446/ |
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| 12:25.25 | tremon | hmm... pam_succeed_if(lightdm:auth): incomplete condition detected ? what's that... |
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| 12:25.46 | tremon | can you paste the contents of /etc/pam.d/lightdm ? |
| 12:25.59 | jair | tremon: sure |
| 12:27.27 | jair | tremon: http://paste.debian.net/988448/ |
| 12:29.11 | jair | tremon: I am just really trying to be patient and not to reinstall the whole thing :( |
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| 12:29.20 | tremon | that's new... your previous paste said requirement "user ingroup nopasswdlogin" not met by user "jair" |
| 12:29.36 | tremon | the new paste says "incomplete condition detected" for the same line |
| 12:30.40 | tremon | did someone edit the file? line 4 should say "user ingroup nopasswdlogin" |
| 12:30.53 | jair | tremon: that was because I saw in a thread in google that removing >nopasswdlogin could have fix it but it did not |
| 12:31.22 | tremon | you should remove it by commenting the entire line, not deleting the word :) |
| 12:31.38 | jair | tremon: ahh OK let me try that? |
| 12:32.03 | tremon | still should not cause a login failure though... does the box have selinux enabled? |
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| 12:33.14 | jair | tremon: I don't think so |
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| 12:34.31 | tremon | it's not enabled by default on Debian, so that's a no I guess. try running "getenforce" |
| 12:34.42 | jair | tremon: ok |
| 12:35.21 | jair | sudo: getenforce: command not found |
| 12:35.42 | tremon | ok, so no selinux installed |
| 12:35.49 | jair | right |
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| 12:36.08 | jair | this is a symple desktop i have been customizing |
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| 12:36.31 | jair | I was just adding a new gui manager budgie |
| 12:36.42 | rephlexie | you try something other than lightdm? |
| 12:36.44 | tremon | I just checked, I also have "PAM unable to dlopen" errors in my lightdm log, but they don't cause a login failure |
| 12:36.49 | jair | tremon: but everything went south... |
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| 12:37.22 | jair | tremon: I commented the whole light and restarted the lightdm service |
| 12:37.28 | jair | tremon: let me try to log in |
| 12:38.08 | jair | no change |
| 12:39.56 | tremon | try re-enabling pam_loginuid.so ? |
| 12:40.07 | jair | tremon: I think I will just back up the data and re-install that shit |
| 12:40.15 | jair | tremon: hmm how? |
| 12:40.26 | tremon | remove the # at the start of line 11 |
| 12:40.36 | jair | tremon: ok |
| 12:41.04 | tremon | if you can easily reinstall, that probably easier. pam isn't the easiest tool to debug easily |
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| 12:42.15 | Hallodri | i did see pam problems often together with a ro syste |
| 12:42.17 | Hallodri | m |
| 12:43.18 | jair | tremon: checking now |
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| 12:44.45 | jair | incredible nothing same shit, I even created another user and it cannot access either |
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| 12:44.58 | jair | wow... |
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| 12:45.25 | jair | really dissapointed at debian right now... or at myself.. |
| 12:45.30 | tremon | the problem is somewhere in the lightdm configuration, but there's not enough logging to pinpoint it :( |
| 12:45.55 | tremon | a different user would not make a difference |
| 12:46.04 | Hallodri | whats about to change to sddm? |
| 12:46.09 | tremon | using a different login might |
| 12:46.11 | jair | tremon: should I try to remove lightdm and install or use mdm |
| 12:46.33 | jair | let me install mdm |
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| 12:48.03 | jair | tremon: http://paste.debian.net/988451/ |
| 12:48.11 | jair | line 26 weird warning |
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| 12:50.16 | tremon | line 26 isn't that shocking, but line 30 may cause issues. what's in that directory and what is the current owner? |
| 12:50.58 | tremon | if it's empty (or has some mdm log messages), just chown it manually |
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| 12:51.18 | jair | tremon: kicked me out the same way as lightdm |
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| 12:51.36 | tremon | also same non-informative log messages? |
| 12:51.37 | jair | tremon: checking about line 30 |
| 12:52.04 | jair | tremon: yes, basically fix the issue right away... |
| 12:52.08 | jair | something like that |
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| 12:54.45 | tremon | I don't have any more clues for you to try, sadly |
| 12:54.48 | jair | tremon: http://paste.debian.net/988452 |
| 12:55.10 | jair | tremon: no worries man thank you very much |
| 12:55.25 | jair | I will try that dpkg-reconfigure and see what else I can break there |
| 12:55.31 | jair | I will re-install anyway |
| 12:55.32 | tremon | lol |
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| 12:56.45 | tremon | line 1 is weird... "could not identify password" usually means that the user doesn't exist... |
| 12:56.57 | jair | haha |
| 12:57.11 | jair | what was the dpkg reconfigure command again for pam |
| 12:57.21 | tremon | dpkg-reconfigure libpam-runtime |
| 12:57.28 | jair | cool thanks |
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| 13:07.00 | jair | tremon: just wanted to say bye and thank you so much for your valuable time and for trying to help me with this issue |
| 13:07.11 | jair | tremon: have a good one OK (^^) |
| 13:07.26 | tremon | thanks, you too |
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| 13:31.44 | tiwake | hey, I recently went through a PXE netboot install, but don't recall seeing an option to encrypt the drive... did I miss that option or is it hidden in there somewhere? |
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| 13:38.49 | tremon | it's in the partitioning stage. you need to select the disk partition type as "use for encryption" |
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| 13:39.37 | tremon | (well not on-disk partition type. it's the "use as" option) |
| 13:40.08 | Vizva | i did see a bug one time - it was not there - you need then to start it again and try |
| 13:41.17 | Vizva | its not very good to recall that bug |
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| 13:42.14 | tiwake | tremon: alright, so I just missed the option when I went through it the first time |
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| 13:44.00 | tremon | I always use expert mode, and explicitly select to load the dm-crypt installer modules. If there is (or was) a bug autoloading those modules, I would not know about it :) |
| 13:44.30 | tiwake | expert mode? |
| 13:45.50 | Vizva | directly to lvm luks is a faster way sometimes depends on needs yes |
| 13:46.11 | Vizva | but youre way is anozher one too |
| 13:47.10 | tremon | it's in the advanced options of the installer boot menu (or just add priority=low on the kernel cmdline) |
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| 14:09.33 | m712 | hello, aptitude fails when trying to build a tag database, and says: `E: Failed to execute process to save dpkg selections, dpkg or trying to execute it exited with status/errno: 2`. |
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| 14:09.43 | m712 | why would this happen? |
| 14:10.03 | m712 | can't get any debug info even with -vvv |
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| 15:36.08 | shiin | I'm running into a python problem on stretch and I believe a recent update may have caused it. "ImportError: No module named 'pip._vendor.requests'" Google research and a brief glance at the bugtracker haven't helped me confirm it yet, but I know it worked two weeks ago. Is this a known issue? Can I get some pointers on ruling out that there were changes with the python3 environment that I'm using? |
| 15:36.40 | Spec | can you import pip? |
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| 15:37.03 | shiin | No that throws this error too. |
| 15:37.04 | apollo13 | I wouldn't install pip from debian, they sadly tend to break it by unvendoring stuff and whatnot |
| 15:37.22 | shiin | I'm using python3-venv to create a new virtual environment and install all pip dependencies in there. |
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| 15:38.19 | shiin | https://github.com/FunTimeCoding/jenkins-job-manager/blob/master/build.sh this is the script I'm running and it fails on the first time it's calling pip3 on line 11 |
| 15:38.41 | HE931 | i am looking for a graphic pdf manipulation tool in debian that allows for cutting off edges etc.. so far i didnt find any. do you have any recommendations? |
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| 15:40.25 | Spec | shiin: fwiw i just ran debian:stretch in a container and installed python3-venv, and did this thing |
| 15:40.28 | Spec | works fine |
| 15:41.00 | Spec | perhaps rm -rf .venv and try again? or is this running in a new container every time already? |
| 15:41.04 | shiin | Spec: You can run pip and it doesn't throw the no module error? |
| 15:41.13 | shiin | I mean after activating the venv |
| 15:41.37 | shiin | I have tried rm -rf .venv multiple times as well as deleting and recreating the vagrant virtual machine for it. |
| 15:41.59 | Spec | shiin: https://pastebin.com/raw/TCQ0cr53 |
| 15:42.30 | shiin | oh wow |
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| 15:43.38 | Spec | shiin: your vagrant vm is up to date when provisioned? does it do anything weird with PYTHONPATH or other related variables, etc? |
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| 15:44.18 | shiin | the debian/stretch64 base image is the latest |
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| 15:46.56 | shiin | I did a blank install on the vm and just installed python3-venv, making a test directory, and pip install wheel works there. |
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| 15:47.03 | shiin | That's a start |
| 15:47.06 | Spec | excellent :) |
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| 15:49.13 | shiin | It works inside the vagrant home directory, but not on the NFS mounted /vagrant directory. |
| 15:49.21 | shiin | Now this is starting to look like an NFS problem. |
| 15:49.40 | shiin | Thank you very much for your help |
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| 15:53.33 | CrazyTux | hello is Debian testing stable enough for home and office use? |
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| 15:53.48 | CrazyTux | and is it a rolling release version of Debian? |
| 15:53.49 | Mathisen | home yes, office no |
| 15:53.54 | jelly-home | CrazyTux, no. If it was, it would be called "stable" |
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| 15:54.06 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 15:54.41 | CrazyTux | is it a rolling release variant of Debian? |
| 15:54.51 | jelly-home | there is no rolling release of debian |
| 15:54.55 | jelly-home | !testing |
| 15:54.55 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 15:54.57 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 15:58.26 | CrazyTux | is there a Debian 9 lxqt available? |
| 15:58.38 | CrazyTux | debian stable with lxqt de. |
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| 16:00.10 | nirj34 | hello there, can you please tell me if AutoCAD can be used on linux without problems? |
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| 16:03.42 | jelly-home | nirj34, the AutoDesk site shows requirements include a Windows OS, or a Mac: https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/System-requirements-for-AutoCAD.html |
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| 16:05.37 | nirj34 | jelly-home, thank you, I was expecting this, too, but wondering if there are any tools (i.e. wine or any other..) that make it work |
| 16:06.05 | nirj34 | I mean, if one can really work with it on linux |
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| 16:06.51 | nkuttler | nirj34: winehq has a database of programs that work. if not, install windows in virtualbox or somesuch |
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| 16:07.28 | tinkeldell | Hi, I'm having trouble connecting with ssh. Right after I send packet type 50 it prompts "Authentication failed" instead of receiving packet type 51. Could anyone be so kind to help me? :-) |
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| 16:08.03 | nkuttler | tinkeldell: check the sshd logs, turn up log level if necessary. |
| 16:08.03 | n4dir | CrazyTux: in my humble opinion you should really read the docs provided by debian and also learn how to use one of the pacagemanagement tools (in this case to apt-cache search lxqt) |
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| 16:08.33 | n4dir | https://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 16:08.45 | n4dir | no offense or such. just saying |
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| 16:09.31 | tinkeldell | nkuttler: on the client I'm trying to ssh with? |
| 16:11.33 | n4dir | sshd logs on the server site. log-level on the client site (probably ssh -v ; ssh -vv ... ). my guess |
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| 16:13.00 | tinkeldell | n4dir: I can't access the server at all, the only entry is ssh. |
| 16:13.20 | nkuttler | tinkeldell: who can? |
| 16:13.57 | tinkeldell | nkuttler: nobody but me, it's encrypted with only ssh access |
| 16:14.34 | n4dir | that sounds bad |
| 16:14.40 | tinkeldell | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ high security |
| 16:14.55 | nkuttler | more like broken security |
| 16:15.03 | nkuttler | for all you know somebody got in and locked you out |
| 16:15.06 | EnchanterTim | Sometiems change options names and then you can't even copy your old file to the new locations b/c the locations have changed. |
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| 16:15.27 | EnchanterTim | nkuttler: what happened? |
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| 16:15.42 | jelly-home | tinkeldell, what's a "packet type 50" in ssh -vv or -vvv output? |
| 16:15.59 | CrazyTux | n4dir: ok. I will do that. |
| 16:16.46 | tinkeldell | jelly-home: I don't know, you tell me! Just trying to get in |
| 16:16.53 | jelly-home | tinkeldell, which ssh client and server software and versions are in play? |
| 16:16.59 | n4dir | CrazyTux: might even be i confused you with another nickname. Like said: it was only a sidenote |
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| 16:17.47 | shiin | Spec: I'm working on a macbook, and it's updated to the new macos version, using the new apple file system. This is what's not working properly with the NFS of virtualbox/vagrant yet. To work around the problem, I created a disk image using the old file system and mounted it in my home, and am running the project from there now. |
| 16:18.01 | tinkeldell | jelly-home: OpenSSH_7.4p1 debian |
| 16:18.31 | jelly-home | tinkeldell, please show your command and complete "ssh -v ..." output in a pastebin, for a start. |
| 16:18.39 | CrazyTux | n4dir: ok |
| 16:18.39 | jelly-home | ,v openssh-client |
| 16:18.40 | judd | Package: openssh-client on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u6; wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u3; jessie-security: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u3; stretch: 1:7.4p1-10+deb9u1; buster: 1:7.5p1-10; sid: 1:7.5p1-10 |
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| 16:20.30 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 16:20.30 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 16:20.56 | tinkeldell | ohhhhh someone fixed it. Nevermind, thanks though! |
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| 18:40.18 | David22 | Hi |
| 18:40.39 | David22 | I'm new to Debian. I just tried installing it for the second time recently. |
| 18:41.18 | David22 | I saw it offered encryption of the drive so I selected it during install, but noticed it had written 1's and 0's to protect the drive. My drive is an SSD and I don't think that is right or good for it. |
| 18:41.46 | David22 | I'm concerned now that the drive has been worn and also it is more full and won't run as fast. |
| 18:42.12 | David22 | I did a quick google search and learned that SSD's have hardware encryption built in called AES also, so that seemed to not be necessary. |
| 18:42.29 | David22 | Can somebody please reassure me or address my concerns? |
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| 18:47.04 | David22 | oish, do you know anything about LVM encryption during install and SSD's? |
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| 18:47.48 | David22 | Also, the last time I tried to install I specified a root password as requested and the OS was totally unusable because I learned you shouldn't give it a password. |
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| 18:50.25 | imMute | It's usable, it just doesn't install sudo when you specify a root password. but yes, IMO, you should leave root without a password and use sudo instead of logging in as root |
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| 18:52.22 | David22 | imMute: That may be what happened. I think I remember sudo working, but "root" was required or something, but it wasn't on the approved user list for anything and I couldn't figure out how to add it after much trying. |
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| 18:53.03 | imMute | You have to install sudo, then I think you have to add your regular user to the "sudo" group. |
| 18:53.24 | David22 | imMute I have no idea why Debian installer would do that to a person. I couldn't figure it out and I think I tried to follow much support too. |
| 18:53.51 | David22 | imMute, also I saw encyption and thought that sounded good and it said it wrote 1's and 0's to my SSD. |
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| 18:54.31 | David22 | And that doesn't sound good and now I learned SSD's like my Crucial MX300 have built in hardware encryption using AES. |
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| 18:54.54 | David22 | So, I'm thinking Debian is not for me or at least not now. |
| 18:55.15 | imMute | Treating an SSD like a regular HDD w.r.t. encryption and writing random data to the whole drive is definitely not a good idea. I'm going to give the debian guys the benefit of the doubt and say that under the hood it did the right thing and it's just the message hasn't been updated. |
| 18:55.20 | David22 | I don't, I learn a little each time, but I feel like I got burned. |
| 18:55.49 | David22 | imMute, well I don't know because it took a really long time and said it was doing it. |
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| 18:56.33 | David22 | I'm thinking we need to find out if the installer is writing 1's and 0's to SSD's and if so there need to be a warning during install. |
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| 18:56.57 | David22 | To not do it for SSD's. Just in parenthesis next to it like it had for the partition warning. |
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| 18:57.23 | David22 | I tried to install the NVidia driver, but it says it needs the kernel files. |
| 18:57.32 | imMute | was the writing random data an option on top of turning on encryption? |
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| 18:57.45 | blackmanta | You just need kernel header files David22 |
| 18:58.01 | David22 | it says kernel-sournce or kernel-devel RPM |
| 18:58.35 | imMute | sounds like you're following a guide for an RPM based distro... |
| 18:58.45 | David22 | That is just the message it gives. |
| 18:58.46 | blackmanta | David22 check this out https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 18:59.46 | blackmanta | You can also cancel the writing random information when when the encryption process starts. |
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| 19:00.12 | David22 | aptitude update : command not found |
| 19:00.23 | blackmanta | You'll need to install aptitude |
| 19:00.25 | David22 | blackmanta, yeah I noticed about 3/4 the way through. |
| 19:00.52 | WoollySocks | is it bad to write to the SSD ? |
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| 19:02.50 | WoollySocks | it's writing a "fuzzy background" so that hackers can't easily tell where encrypted files begin and end ? |
| 19:02.59 | David22 | couldn't find package : nvidia-driver |
| 19:03.31 | blackmanta | SSD's have hardware encryption so it is pointless WollySocks |
| 19:03.55 | David22 | Yeah, I learn that now after googling it after it writing 1's and 0's all over my SSD. |
| 19:04.04 | blackmanta | David22 do you have non-free added to the end of the repositories in /etc/apt/source.list? |
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| 19:04.41 | David22 | blackmanta: That is the problem I skipped that. |
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| 19:07.07 | David22 | blackmanta: I'm trying to edit the list but it says it is read only |
| 19:07.35 | blackmanta | Did you use sudo? |
| 19:09.14 | David22 | That worked. I wasn't expecting it to run read only without sudo, but then write with sudo |
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| 19:09.51 | imMute | David22: the file is readable by anyone, but only writable by root. So that's why you can read it but not save it. |
| 19:10.29 | David22 | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver" |
| 19:11.29 | David22 | I don't even think I want legacy. I have the latest GeForce. |
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| 19:12.32 | David22 | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "nvidia-driver" |
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| 19:14.01 | imMute | David22: did you do a "apt-get update" after changing the sources.list? |
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| 19:15.05 | user__ | any way to get output of "ip -s link" in KBs or MBs? |
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| 19:19.05 | David22 | Ok, so I'm using DD to write the Solus-Budgie-3.iso to USB and installing that instead of Debian. I think I'm not into the whole land mine thing. |
| 19:20.05 | David22 | Thank you for the help those who chimed in. |
| 19:20.14 | David22 | thanks blackmanta and imMute |
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| 19:23.36 | jim | hi, got some problems when doing apt-get update, command output is here: http://termbin.com/367f |
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| 19:32.51 | somiaj | jim: care to also paste your soruces.list and any thing in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
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| 19:34.38 | somiaj | jim: it might be a bug with the paticular mirror you got from the round robbing dns that provides. I was able to download the file it was complaing about just fine. |
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| 19:35.43 | somiaj | oh wait, i see the issue, for some reason you are requesting http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/dep11/Components-amd64.yml, but all I see on the mirror are Components-amd64.yml.gz and .xz |
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| 20:11.04 | phinxy | where is xorg.conf in Debian Stretch? "xset Q" says DPMS is enabled, I would like it disabled. (monitor sleep) "locate xorg.conf" shows this folder http://termbin.com/uluu |
| 20:11.55 | phinxy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:12.28 | well_laid_lawn | the X log will have the path to any configs read near the top |
| 20:12.37 | towo-vm | there is no xorg.conf, since ages |
| 20:12.52 | well_laid_lawn | you have to make your own |
| 20:14.46 | towo-vm | for xset comands, no xorg.conf is needed |
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| 20:15.20 | jim | somiaj, I'm actually super short on time at this moment... I'll review your comments and go from there. will paste sources.list (and my own sources.list.m4) after awhile |
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| 20:15.24 | towo-vm | xset dpms off in autostart would be enaught |
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| 20:16.01 | phinxy | .profile ! |
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| 20:25.44 | newguy1 | hello everyone... |
| 20:25.52 | newguy1 | I am new to debian. |
| 20:26.05 | newguy1 | I have used debian (stable) in past. |
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| 20:26.21 | newguy1 | Currently I'm using ubuntu and before this archlinux. |
| 20:26.52 | newguy1 | Ubuntu feels bloated so now I am thinking of trying debian testing. |
| 20:27.05 | newguy1 | Just a quick question. |
| 20:27.14 | newguy1 | How unstable is debian testing branch |
| 20:27.16 | newguy1 | ? |
| 20:27.25 | newguy1 | are there unbootable systems? |
| 20:27.46 | newguy1 | or just minor bugs? |
| 20:28.25 | newguy1 | hello.... |
| 20:28.43 | newguy1 | I know its late.. But it shouldn't be late everywhere.. |
| 20:28.50 | newguy1 | Is anyone awake..?? |
| 20:28.52 | phinxy | I tried 'sid' just a couple days ago but decided to use 'stretch' instead |
| 20:29.11 | phinxy | there was some complications of packages not being updated |
| 20:29.14 | newguy1 | So how is it going? |
| 20:29.22 | phinxy | midori web browser was not available |
| 20:30.15 | phinxy | newguy1: there are daily builds as well |
| 20:30.21 | newguy1 | is it available now? |
| 20:30.21 | phinxy | they all boot afaik |
| 20:30.52 | phinxy | ,v midori |
| 20:30.53 | judd | Package: midori on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1; jessie-backports: 0.5.11-ds1-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.5.11-ds1-4+b1 |
| 20:30.55 | newguy1 | I loved arch. But I got unbootable systems. |
| 20:31.11 | newguy1 | So don't always have a bootable cd/usb... |
| 20:31.36 | newguy1 | I just need to know if it is reliable or just playing around...? |
| 20:31.54 | phinxy | Im "new" to Linux but I learn fast |
| 20:32.06 | phinxy | Arch wiki is great and straight to point |
| 20:32.30 | WoollySocks | never used Arch but i've used Arch wiki :) |
| 20:32.33 | coruja | newguy1, what about stable with backports? |
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| 20:33.20 | newguy1 | coruja .. never tried it. |
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| 20:33.31 | teraflops | what do you mean by unbootable system? |
| 20:33.55 | teraflops | "I loved arch. But I got unbootable systems." |
| 20:34.14 | newguy1 | teraflops.. My system was unbootable after install nvidia drivers on archlinux (multiple times) |
| 20:34.41 | newguy1 | And I need nvidia drivers.. |
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| 20:35.14 | teraflops | ಠ_ಠ|
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| 20:35.37 | newguy1 | Debian is one of the oldest linux with biggest repo and wiki. So I want to try this one... |
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| 20:36.10 | coruja | newguy1, when considering installing testing or unstable, #debian-next is a better place to ask for recommendations |
| 20:36.52 | KjetilK | Aptitude tells me: |
| 20:36.57 | newguy1 | coruja #debian-next is invite only channel.. |
| 20:37.18 | newguy1 | I can't join it. |
| 20:37.22 | KjetilK | dpkg: error processing package linux-headers-4.9.30-3pooh-01-amd64 (--remove): |
| 20:37.22 | dpkg | kjetilk: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 20:37.24 | KjetilK | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.25 | KjetilK | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:37.40 | kerrhau | gentoo |
| 20:37.42 | coruja | newguy1, sorry, i forget to mention, on oftc, not on freenode |
| 20:37.44 | kerrhau | ^ ignore |
| 20:37.48 | kerrhau | meant to join the channel :( |
| 20:37.51 | teraflops | newguy1: debian testing uses almost same nvidia driver versions as archlinux |
| 20:38.07 | teraflops | I have the feeling your blaming the wrong thing |
| 20:39.58 | newguy1 | teraflops: thanx.. I guess I should avoid testing then. Would stable be a good idea? |
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| 20:40.17 | KjetilK | dpkg bot is being picky, anyway, here's the full output https://pastebin.com/pxSudSiH |
| 20:40.18 | dpkg | ...but bot is already something else... |
| 20:40.27 | KjetilK | :-) |
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| 20:40.46 | KjetilK | the problem is that I have deleted that package, and rebuiling it would be painful... |
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| 20:41.38 | KjetilK | (yeah, I have a custom kernel on that box, it wouldn't tolerate a large initrd) |
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| 21:38.47 | teraflops | KjetilK: you cannot tolerate a large initrd, same for many of us here: cannot tolerate pastebin.com :P |
| 21:41.48 | KjetilK | teraflops: right :-) |
| 21:42.13 | KjetilK | the three lines I posted first should be quite sufficient to detail the problem |
| 21:42.32 | KjetilK | it was the dpkg bot that forced me to pastebin :-) |
| 21:42.49 | teraflops | just saying, not that I'm the most helpful person here, but I can assure you I never bother clicking pastebin.con links |
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| 21:43.36 | KjetilK | I think pastebin.com is quite useful, I even have a PRO account there |
| 21:43.52 | KjetilK | nice to share quick ideas, and occasional problems |
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| 21:45.36 | well_laid_lawn | it has a raw text option too |
| 21:46.04 | teraflops | well_laid_lawn: which people do not use normally |
| 21:46.14 | well_laid_lawn | yep... |
| 21:46.24 | ryouma | pastebin uses cloudflare. never click. |
| 21:46.31 | ryouma | i never click* |
| 21:47.15 | teraflops | KjetilK: there are almost a gazillion pastebins out there, the majority of them sucks a lot, but there sane ones too |
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| 21:47.35 | ryouma | sprunge, etc. are fine |
| 21:47.44 | teraflops | from ix.io to sprunge, termbin, pb, and many others |
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| 21:48.42 | KjetilK | I have to admit I don't really see much of a difference... |
| 21:48.57 | KjetilK | you paste som text, get a URL, that's all there is to it, isn't it? |
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| 21:49.09 | teraflops | KjetilK: no pun intended, I wasnt blaming you at all, it was just a digression |
| 21:49.17 | KjetilK | nods |
| 21:49.18 | ryouma | try being asked to help google identify street signs, cars, roads, icbm targets, etc. |
| 21:50.01 | ryouma | or just knowing that there is an interposing company for half the websites you visit |
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| 21:50.24 | KjetilK | right, I can see that issue |
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| 21:52.01 | teraflops | I like pb and ix till I find something better, paste.denian.net is fine too |
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| 21:54.00 | teraflops | sorry for the typos btw |
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| 21:56.40 | justin__ | hi all - I'm trying to set up autologin with LDM but can't seem to get it to work |
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| 21:58.52 | teraflops | justin__: LDM? |
| 21:59.00 | teraflops | lightDM? |
| 21:59.04 | justin__ | yeah |
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| 21:59.50 | justin__ | I edited the config file |
| 22:00.21 | justin__ | uncommented autologin-user = user and autologin-user-timeout = 0 |
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| 22:01.52 | teraflops | justin__: which DE is any? |
| 22:01.55 | teraflops | if^ |
| 22:02.24 | justin__ | LXDE |
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| 22:05.27 | teraflops | justin__: did you edit your /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf too? |
| 22:06.14 | justin__ | empty file |
| 22:06.51 | teraflops | nvm that's unrelated |
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| 22:13.27 | GenTooMan | simple question how does one adjust LXDE so it doesn't have multiple click events when you click on something on the desktop. It started adding extra clicks when I upgrade from Jesse to Stretch. |
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| 22:20.06 | Tr4sK | Hey |
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| 22:28.47 | well_laid_lawn | GenTooMan: use xev to check what's happening. It might be an X issue not the DE |
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| 22:29.23 | Tr4sK | Iâm trying to setup a Windows 10 VM with KVM. Iâm stuck with OVMF, I cannot find a way to boot via EFI |
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| 22:35.00 | well_laid_lawn | Tr4sK: if no one here knows you can try in #kvm |
| 22:35.06 | well_laid_lawn | read the topic links |
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| 22:37.37 | solex | Hi |
| 22:38.00 | dvs | zzzzz |
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| 22:52.58 | teraflops | Tr4sK: ideally you just need -pflash ovmf_x64.bin |
| 22:53.06 | GenTooMan | well_laid_lawn: None of the X events seem out of place I get on off events correct number of on off events etc seem to be being emitted. Just some windows go crazy. Gripping the of the window to drag it sometimes enlarges it instead type things. |
| 22:53.16 | teraflops | if using qemu-kvm |
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| 22:54.16 | Tr4sK | teraflops: where can I find ovmf_x86.bin ? |
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| 22:56.07 | well_laid_lawn | GenTooMan: iirc lxde uses openbox so check in it's config for what it does with mouse events |
| 22:56.11 | well_laid_lawn | I use a tiler |
| 22:56.35 | Alina-malina | what php version does come from repositories with debian 9 by default? |
| 22:56.47 | teraflops | Tr4sK: idk if it's in debian repos, I just grab it from https://github.com/tianocore/tianocore.github.io/wiki/OVMF |
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| 22:58.40 | abrotman | Alina-malina: packages.debian.org/php |
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| 22:59.03 | Alina-malina | oh great thanks abortman |
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| 22:59.46 | teraflops | Tr4sK: if youre using e.g libvirt you can use it too |
| 23:01.09 | teraflops | Tr4sK: â¦and if you re using vmware/virtualbox I have literally no idea |
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| 23:08.11 | jair | hello there, if I have a Linux box 4 cores 16G would be worth to install LXC or Openvz... |
| 23:09.05 | jair | I would like to use this machine as a dedicated container server, but the containers will be desktop like OSes with light GUI's but machines I will be loggin in in a dily bases |
| 23:09.24 | jair | will that be enough... power... |
| 23:10.07 | jair | I mean enough memory and cpu to run at least three vms with their GUI environments and programs... |
| 23:13.57 | GenTooMan | well_laid_lawn: Hmmm thanks I'll see where things go honestly it's been driving me nuts having windows open when I right clicked for a submenu. |
| 23:14.59 | well_laid_lawn | that would annoy me too |
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| 23:22.02 | evilbug | any of you run hardware passthrough to a vm? |
| 23:23.13 | somiaj | evilbug: by hardware do you mean gpu? Or something else? |
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| 23:23.24 | somiaj | evilbug: also best to ask yoyur question and not take a poll |
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| 23:27.18 | factor | How can I route a usb mouse signal input to another usb as output. So it acts like a mouse. |
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| 23:32.17 | evilbug | somiaj: any hardware passthrough and i haven't set up any polls. |
| 23:32.23 | evilbug | that was a question. |
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| 23:32.52 | somiaj | !anyone |
| 23:32.52 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 23:33.29 | somiaj | ahh not the factoid I was thinking of, but should haev asked what sort of hardware pass through works. cpu is very basic and works, you can also do usb and some network. gpu isn't fully supported in debian yet |
| 23:34.54 | vlt | factor: I donât know if the USB structure (host and clients) supports that. What is your end goal here? Thereâs âx2xâ, for example. |
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| 23:37.25 | evilbug | somiaj: the only reason my question is broad is because i don't currently have a specific purpose in mind. |
| 23:38.40 | somiaj | evilbug: just poiting out instead of asking 'anyone run hardware passthrough to a vm', being more direct is if it is supported |
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| 23:39.03 | somiaj | evilbug: and yes it is supported, but a lot depends on what hardware you want to pass trhough |
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| 23:41.14 | Tramp | somiaj: you probably thought of "poll" |
| 23:41.54 | somiaj | Tramp: ahh yea, that is the factoid |
| 23:44.41 | factor | vlt: will check x2x out. |
| 23:46.36 | factor | vlt:I was just wanting to make a device USB into a host USB.Search continues. |
| 23:46.54 | factor | no netowrk , just usb ports. |
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| 23:52.59 | razer1 | What desktop environment is "Debian Desktop Environment" if checked in the installer? |
| 23:53.18 | razer1 | This does not answer that: https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment |
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| 23:59.20 | annadane | GNOME |
| 23:59.31 | annadane | if you don't check any other option |
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