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| 00:03.31 | LtL | Paul--: speed, 2.0 or 3.0 usb |
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| 00:04.14 | Paul-- | Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub |
| 00:04.22 | Paul-- | where is the speed ? |
| 00:04.34 | Paul-- | I see only hardware address |
| 00:04.38 | palatoqueimado | Why does Debian 9 GNOME windows have no minimize and maximize buttons? |
| 00:04.40 | LtL | Paul--: 3.0 root hub |
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| 00:05.13 | Paul-- | LtL, 3.0 is the type of usb port ? usb 3.0 |
| 00:05.39 | LtL | palatoqueimado: you would need to google specs on bus speeds for 2 or 3 speed ports |
| 00:05.39 | Paul-- | so if I see in same old pc 1.1 , 1.1 mean usb 1.1 |
| 00:06.00 | LtL | Paul--: you would need to google specs on bus speeds for 2 or 3 speed ports |
| 00:06.07 | LtL | palatoqueimado: sorry |
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| 00:06.17 | palatoqueimado | LtL: no problem |
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| 00:06.28 | Paul-- | I know difference from usb 2.0 and 3.0 |
| 00:06.41 | w3gi | hallo, i try to mount a server over ssh with gigolo |
| 00:06.56 | Paul-- | but I'm not sure for this information were usb type or other |
| 00:06.57 | w3gi | but i get immedeatly the error that i cant connet |
| 00:08.10 | LtL | Paul--: try looking in dmidecode for verbose information. |
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| 00:08.34 | w3gi | could someone help to fix me that please? |
| 00:10.27 | LtL | Paul--: gnome does have minimum maximum buttons on windows |
| 00:10.33 | Paul-- | unreadable dmidecode |
| 00:10.49 | LtL | Paul--: you need root |
| 00:11.08 | Paul-- | I'm root, I mean the output is criptic |
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| 00:11.39 | LtL | Paul--: define 'cryptic'? |
| 00:11.56 | Paul-- | dmidecode output |
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| 00:13.05 | Paul-- | dmidecode read from bios this informations ? |
| 00:13.52 | LtL | Paul--: it'ss in depth, yes it does read from bios EPROMs |
| 00:14.35 | Paul-- | cause I have as cpu I2100 , and dmidecode see as core 2 |
| 00:14.46 | Paul-- | but cpu is a I3 |
| 00:15.44 | LtL | Paul--: probably means four threads two cores. run 'top' and press '1' do you see two cpu's or 4? |
| 00:16.08 | Paul-- | 2 core and 4 thread |
| 00:16.25 | LtL | Paul--: yeah, the i3 |
| 00:16.28 | Paul-- | but intel core duo is a more old cpu |
| 00:17.12 | LtL | Paul--: i dont believe the i3 and core duo are the same. |
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| 00:17.44 | Paul-- | they are different, but dmidecode see this i3 as a core duo |
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| 00:21.20 | Paul-- | linux is powerfull |
| 00:21.23 | Paul-- | impressionant |
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| 00:25.33 | Grobo | hmm, I tried again and I chose to re-enable services manually. I still get the frozen "apt-get update" after upgrading to Stretch. |
| 00:26.00 | dudz | how long is frozen? |
| 00:26.17 | Grobo | dudz: forever, as far as I can tell. I gave up after 5 minutes or so |
| 00:26.29 | dudz | did CTRL+C return your commandline? |
| 00:26.33 | Grobo | (Fives minutes of %0 [Working]) |
| 00:26.36 | Grobo | yes |
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| 00:28.40 | dudz | the address you have in your source.list is resolvable? |
| 00:28.59 | Grobo | yes, it's the one that I used for the upgrade, which completed. |
| 00:29.10 | dudz | try apt update? |
| 00:29.53 | Grobo | I think I did that but I'll try again |
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| 00:30.36 | Grobo | I can still install packages, from the existing list |
| 00:30.47 | Paul-- | !top |
| 00:30.47 | dpkg | it has been said that top is a command to "display top CPU processes," but top can handle more ('man top' for more info). Try: `top' and to quit, just 'q'. |
| 00:32.09 | Grobo | dudz: I think it's just going to sit at 0% again |
| 00:32.38 | dudz | so apt-get update and apt update are acting the same? |
| 00:32.52 | Grobo | it looks like it, yeah. |
| 00:32.53 | dudz | i've stoped using apt-get myself for the past year or more now |
| 00:36.44 | sc_ | Amplificator: thanks |
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| 01:10.18 | vjacob | is it normal after doing a dist-upgrade to 9.0 (Stretch) that the dist-upgrade installation process slows down to a crawl (read: hangs) during "Restarting services possibly affected by the upgrade" ? |
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| 01:12.34 | vjacob | no worries, installation continued |
| 01:12.41 | vjacob | so it seems the answer was yes |
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| 01:34.21 | mnuhmnuh | htop |
| 01:35.22 | mnuhmnuh | are any of you trying to make sense? |
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| 01:38.10 | bazhang | mnuhmnuh, whats the actual debian supprt related question |
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| 01:59.19 | Sveta | mnuhmnuh: htop makes no sense to you ? or what ? |
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| 02:10.15 | simbalion | Hi, I am wondering if someone might be able to help me in here, I'm trying to get Rocksmith 2014 working under Wine, that much I have done, but it doesn't detect the USB guitar cable. Videos on youtube and tutorials suggest that this part should "just work" so I'm wondering if maybe something is wrong with my USB.. I can see the cable as a device, but the game doesn't detect it. |
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| 02:12.46 | Paul-- | is it possible install the /boot on a removible device as a usb key ? |
| 02:12.57 | Paul-- | I mean only from the boot |
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| 02:23.16 | Juon | Hi everibody |
| 02:23.27 | Juon | I can update strech to testing, |
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| 02:23.59 | dvs | !iyhtays Juon |
| 02:23.59 | dpkg | Juon: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
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| 02:24.16 | TrapMaid | is there a good package for recording my screen to gif? |
| 02:24.23 | Juon | I'm have it in my line deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main contrib non-free |
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| 02:24.51 | Juon | I will change to deb http://deb.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free ? |
| 02:25.10 | Juon | deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ testing-updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:25.13 | Juon | ? |
| 02:25.30 | dvs | Juon: there's no going back to stretch if you do. |
| 02:25.36 | Juon | and deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security testing/updates main contr$ |
| 02:25.38 | Juon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:26.28 | Juon | dvs, I acepted it, i think it is only update, don't have downgrade possible |
| 02:26.56 | TrapMaid | i'd like to show my d&d group compiz. :P |
| 02:27.11 | Juon | I want to change, I dont see updates when I press apt update, I like see pactes upgrates |
| 02:28.25 | Juon | packages* |
| 02:28.37 | dvs | !sns |
| 02:28.37 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 02:28.44 | TrapMaid | apt update is just for updating the local cache of the repo. with debians focus on stability you don't do it till the next stable comes down the pipes as i understand it. |
| 02:28.44 | apt | ...but update is already something else... |
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| 02:29.18 | annadane | Juon, first of all, testing questions go in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. second of all, if you put "testing" in your sources you'll get a nasty surprise when buster releases and bullseye becomes testing. best to just put buster instead of testing |
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| 02:29.43 | annadane | third, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#What_are_some_best_practices_for_testing.2Fsid_users.3F if you want to leave the comfortable, "just works" world of stable |
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| 02:30.32 | annadane | i'm on unstable so i obviously prefer the faster development, but you've been warned in advance if things break |
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| 02:30.59 | TrapMaid | is there any kind of progress clock that tracks how close we are to the next major release? perhaps something that can be loaded as a panel object? with a big popup when it's ready? |
| 02:31.53 | annadane | TrapMaid, you can probably subscribe to debian-devel-announce@lists.debian.org |
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| 02:32.49 | annadane | that said, it's not for at least another 2 years |
| 02:33.24 | annadane | oh, there's also debian-announce@lists.debian.org which i guess is the "main" one but both mailing lists are pretty low volume |
| 02:34.49 | TrapMaid | 2 years? wow. that's quite a while to sit on a version of retroarch that the devs feel is incredibly buggy. :P |
| 02:34.50 | Juon | annadane, Thank you so much, What surprise i will get ? |
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| 02:40.16 | annadane | there are also point releases |
| 02:40.21 | annadane | ie, the current stable is 9.1 |
| 02:40.40 | annadane | which do sometimes have bug fixes |
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| 02:42.50 | careta | hey guys |
| 02:43.07 | careta | I want to use virtualbox from unstable, but it drags qt 5.9 which breaks GTK theme compatibility |
| 02:43.19 | careta | how can I force install of the virtualbox package without the qt 5.9 library? |
| 02:43.26 | annadane | careta, are you on stable? do not use unstable packages with a stable system |
| 02:43.36 | eric_ | So I'm trying to uninstall and reinstall mysql. Purge didn't work, install --fix-missing or whatever did nothing. I want all mysql files gone and then mysql reinstalled fresh. I can't use it at all because whenever I reinstall is it tells me that the file for that command is missing (for example /usr/bin/mysql for mysql_secure_installation) |
| 02:43.42 | careta | annadane, yes I know the drill, but I've been doing it for more than 10 years |
| 02:43.53 | careta | there is no reason why virtualbox needs qt 5.9 |
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| 02:44.25 | careta | it's an arbitrary requirement |
| 02:44.38 | careta | so I just want to tell aptitude to shut up and install it |
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| 02:48.42 | aloo_shu | oooh, kinky debhelper |
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| 02:51.58 | aloo_shu | careta, you could use dpkg with the --force-depends option, but it will a) only work if all other dependecies are met, and b) you will get broken packages = future pkg install obstacles |
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| 02:53.04 | Epakai | careta: you should be able to build a simple backport, it looks like all the build deps are met in stretch |
| 02:53.57 | Epakai | nevermind, it's already backported https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/virtualbox |
| 02:54.34 | aloo_shu | far more elegant :) |
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| 02:57.05 | annadane | that's quite recent iirc |
| 02:57.13 | annadane | i think it was just in the last 2 or so weeks put in backports |
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| 03:33.47 | dtux | is it safe to assume every actively-maintained project in sid will eventually be available in stable (e.g. bitcoin-qt)? |
| 03:34.45 | tx | no |
| 03:34.47 | annadane | dtux, no, not at all |
| 03:35.09 | dtux | is there a way to know? |
| 03:35.21 | annadane | dtux, not until freeze |
| 03:35.45 | dtux | what's the criteria for being added? |
| 03:36.38 | annadane | as far as i know, no release critical bugs, being actively maintained and so on... i'm sure it's described somewhere |
| 03:36.43 | themill | given *coin packages tend not to be viable for more than 10 minutes, they often don't get into a stable release |
| 03:36.59 | annadane | well, not necessarily no rc, sometimes rc bugs do find their way in stable |
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| 03:37.47 | dtux | themill: eh, bitcoin-qt has been around for years tho... but good to know |
| 03:38.21 | themill | and is routinely broken and requires updating to a newer version to keep working; that makes it not suitable for a stable release |
| 03:38.56 | dtux | oh interesting |
| 03:39.19 | themill | See #718272 |
| 03:39.20 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/718272 in src:bitcoin (forwarded, fixed-upstream): «upstream does not support stable releases (block migration to testing)»; severity: serious; opened: 2013-07-29; last modified: 2015-11-04. |
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| 03:40.34 | dtux | ah, excellent thank you |
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| 03:51.42 | dtux | so looks like we may see it in stable eventually after all? |
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| 03:55.31 | themill | dtux: perhaps - noone has volunteered to do the work of maintaining that extra package, however |
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| 03:56.24 | dtux | i see |
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| 04:15.11 | Canucktux | What's the simplest way to boot debian if my UEFI is all messed up? |
| 04:16.13 | Rusty1_ | messed up in what way? |
| 04:17.11 | Canucktux | I reset by BIOS setting and now the drive won't boot |
| 04:17.34 | Canucktux | Rusty1_: but it still sees it and I can boot off a USB drive |
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| 04:19.21 | Rusty1_ | have you tried that usb drive on a second machine? |
| 04:19.49 | Canucktux | ? |
| 04:20.48 | Rusty1_ | are you trying to boot a install usb or a previously working hdd install? |
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| 04:21.34 | Canucktux | trying to boot the previosly working SSD install |
| 04:22.02 | Rusty1_ | didnt add a OS , not a dual boot? |
| 04:22.25 | Canucktux | no dual boot off that drive |
| 04:23.02 | Canucktux | supposedly if I just force reinstall grub&friends it'll fix up the UEFI stuff itself, but I have to boot into debian first |
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| 04:24.10 | Rusty1_ | if you have a live dvd/usb with grub you can try reinstalling grub to the hdd mbr |
| 04:24.32 | Canucktux | how do I do that? |
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| 04:25.34 | Rusty1_ | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing , scroll down |
| 04:26.14 | Rusty1_ | with apologies for suggesting ubuntu , i'm not , just that page has the instructions |
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| 04:26.47 | Canucktux | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:26.54 | Canucktux | thanks for the link |
| 04:27.04 | Shmam | Getting this error trying to install Oracle Java: "W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu artful InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY C2518248EEA14886" |
| 04:27.16 | Rusty1_ | but possibly you need to make sure secure boot is disbled in the bios , and make sure thehdd with debian is the first bootable drive |
| 04:27.24 | Shmam | I added the ubuntu ppa but don't know how to remove it with apt |
| 04:27.37 | Shmam | it's not showing up in sources.list |
| 04:28.52 | annadane | !frankendebian |
| 04:28.52 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 04:28.58 | annadane | do not use ppa's in debian |
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| 04:29.31 | Shmam | so how do I install oracle jdk |
| 04:29.44 | Shmam | I have openjdk right now and need to switch to oracle jdk |
| 04:30.08 | Shmam | and I added "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/java" and need to remove that but it doesn't show up in sources.list |
| 04:30.11 | annadane | is it in /etc/apt/sources.list.d? |
| 04:30.14 | annadane | the ppa |
| 04:30.23 | kopper | ^ |
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| 04:31.02 | aloo_shu | probably adding didn't even finish, pubkey missing? |
| 04:31.03 | Shmam | yeah |
| 04:31.16 | Shmam | yep pubkey is missing |
| 04:31.50 | kopper | https://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage |
| 04:31.59 | Shmam | should I just delete it from sources.list.d and install some other way or is this the best way to install oracle jdk |
| 04:32.17 | Shmam | ok will try that |
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| 04:32.54 | kopper | For future reference, check Debian Wiki before googling for PPA |
| 04:33.53 | Shmam | ok |
| 04:34.07 | Shmam | how do I remove openjdk before I install this one though? |
| 04:34.14 | aloo_shu | Shmam hand-editing sources.list is allowed, afaik |
| 04:34.50 | Shmam | Yeah. I just couldn't find it in there b/c it was in sources.list.d |
| 04:35.42 | aloo_shu | I'd assume the new pkg will have a 'replaces' - line |
| 04:35.58 | Shmam | ok I'll install the new one and see what happend |
| 04:36.56 | annadane | java is very common in debian, it's unlikely you need it from ppa or oracle or whatever |
| 04:37.07 | annadane | or if it is contrib and you do need it from oracle, it's in the repository |
| 04:37.20 | annadane | third party website installation = bad |
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| 04:39.28 | Shmam | Got this error on step 4 "No matching packaging method was found for jdk-9_linux-x64_bin.tar.gz." |
| 04:40.32 | annadane | you're getting this from where? |
| 04:40.38 | annadane | oh, the wiki |
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| 04:40.52 | Shmam | yep: https://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage |
| 04:41.05 | annadane | are you certain you need this instead of the libre version? |
| 04:41.06 | jelly | so make-jkpg does not support java 9 yet |
| 04:41.15 | Shmam | ..... |
| 04:41.20 | Shmam | ummmm |
| 04:41.49 | Shmam | I guess java8 will be fine |
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| 04:49.38 | Shmam | it looks like eclipse is still using the openjdk and not oracle jdk. Text is still flickering. Anyone know how to install the openjdk? |
| 04:50.19 | Shmam | uninstall the openjdk* |
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| 04:57.50 | aloo_shu | maybe something was using openjdk while attempting to replace - logout and in for fresh sessio n, try same steps again.. |
| 04:58.03 | aloo_shu | my 2 ct |
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| 05:00.33 | aloo_shu | dpkg -P openjdk if nothing helps |
| 05:00.33 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, aloo_shu |
| 05:01.16 | aloo_shu | bot be renamed ! again.. :) |
| 05:02.29 | aloo_shu | I suggest sudo.. |
| 05:02.29 | Shmam | So where is my java executable now? I need to set my jre in eclipse.ini |
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| 05:03.56 | Shmam | I got the openjdk uninstalled and get the proper output from java -version but need to update eclipse.ini to use the new jre |
| 05:04.06 | Shmam | but I donno where the jre is |
| 05:04.37 | aloo_shu | synaptic find oracle jdj pkg, eg filter installed and search jdk, then on the pkg, properties - installed files |
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| 05:05.21 | Shmam | so dpkg -l |
| 05:05.33 | Shmam | dpkg -l | grep oracle? |
| 05:05.33 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep oracle |
| 05:05.49 | Shmam | good bot |
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| 05:06.15 | Shmam | I found oracle java with that command |
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| 05:06.22 | Shmam | but don't know where the jre is |
| 05:06.31 | aloo_shu | an intelligent whereis |
| 05:06.42 | Shmam | whereis? |
| 05:07.12 | aloo_shu | maybe whereis oracle and pres tab twice to see possible completions |
| 05:07.32 | Shmam | nothin found |
| 05:08.30 | Shmam | oo found java in /usr/bin/java |
| 05:08.47 | aloo_shu | but i was suggesting running synaptic rather than dpkg -l, should give you a more comfortable way to check if oracle jdk installed after all |
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| 05:09.09 | aloo_shu | do ls -l on it to see if it's a link |
| 05:09.15 | Shmam | eclipse shows error finding the jre/bin directory |
| 05:09.36 | aloo_shu | but should do |
| 05:12.04 | aloo_shu | not expert on this, but looks like java is expected to be installed in a special directory, or linked from there, at least |
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| 05:12.20 | aloo_shu | check documentation |
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| 05:16.18 | aloo_shu | guess: oracle jdk under /opt ? i.e. bundled.. |
| 05:18.44 | Paul-- | hello |
| 05:18.55 | Paul-- | rdev don't exist anymore ? |
| 05:20.33 | annadane | ,v rdev |
| 05:20.34 | judd | No package named 'rdev' was found in amd64. |
| 05:21.28 | Paul-- | strange , I was a old command |
| 05:21.42 | jelly | Shmam: look at the package contents with dpkg -L packagename |
| 05:21.44 | Paul-- | ,v |
| 05:21.46 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and amd64 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
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| 05:22.34 | Paul-- | ,v rdev |
| 05:22.35 | judd | No package named 'rdev' was found in amd64. |
| 05:22.36 | jelly | Shmam: or look at where /usr/bin/java points to, if it's a symlink. readlink -f /usr/bin/java |
| 05:22.54 | jelly | Paul--: what does it do |
| 05:23.25 | Paul-- | it manipulate kernel image |
| 05:25.09 | jelly | judd: file bin/rdev |
| 05:25.13 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 05:25.25 | Paul-- | basically if I boot from another media as a usb key , rdev tell to the kernel what paartition mount in the boot |
| 05:25.43 | jelly | and your boot process actually uses the value in vmlinuz image? |
| 05:25.46 | Paul-- | if I don't want use grub for example |
| 05:27.02 | Paul-- | vmlinuz is eternal |
| 05:27.14 | jelly | passing command line to the kernel (and using an initrd) is a lot more common these days |
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| 05:31.14 | Paul-- | if I want boot from usb key without a boot-manager ? |
| 05:31.47 | canucktux2 | if I want to chroot into my drive to run reinstall grub-efi, I need a live CD of the same distribution right? |
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| 05:34.13 | epsilon | same architecture, same distri, same version to be sure |
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| 05:37.18 | Paul-- | how may I a bootable usb-key ? |
| 05:37.30 | dokma | Any tools on Debian to simplify a boolean expression. f.e. echo "a OR 0" | simplify --> a |
| 05:37.33 | Paul-- | must I copy /boot and install grub ? |
| 05:37.53 | dokma | Paul--: there are tools to create one |
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| 05:38.03 | Paul-- | dokma, as ... ? |
| 05:38.21 | dokma | BootUsb |
| 05:38.38 | dokma | https://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
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| 05:52.20 | Tom-_ | dokma, shell scripting? [ or test let you do things like that |
| 05:52.35 | Tom-_ | man bash or a linux tutorial web site i guess |
| 05:54.56 | dokma | Tom-_: you think bash can simplify boolean expressions? |
| 05:54.59 | dokma | Never heard of that... |
| 05:55.29 | Tom-_ | yes it can. bash is a fully complete programming language |
| 05:56.00 | dokma | It can evaluate them, but simplify? |
| 05:56.16 | dokma | How would you make bash simplify: "a OR 0" |
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| 05:56.37 | Tom-_ | okay no, i don't think it can simplify. i thought you meant evaluate |
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| 05:59.02 | aloo_shu | and prolly you don't want to shoot a whole mathematical suite at it |
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| 06:03.45 | aloo_shu | search the 'education' section? with boolean algebra or such.. |
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| 06:05.57 | dokma | aloo_shu: I thought there was something real simple for it. |
| 06:06.07 | aloo_shu | sounds like the stuff teachers were writing in the 80s, dokma |
| 06:06.26 | dokma | That's exactly why I thought I'd find it in a minute... |
| 06:06.33 | N0Lif3 | what's a good gui program for formatting harddrives in debian? fdisk requires way too much reading to work |
| 06:06.43 | aloo_shu | maybe still lingering in bsd , or slackware |
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| 06:07.43 | aloo_shu | NOLif3 gparted |
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| 06:08.34 | N0Lif3 | thank you |
| 06:09.01 | aloo_shu | np |
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| 07:49.36 | adityaduggal | hi anyone can help me with installing npm on debian stretch as apt install npm does not seem to locate the npm package |
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| 07:50.15 | annadane | ,v npm |
| 07:50.16 | judd | Package: npm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2 |
| 07:50.23 | annadane | right, so... |
| 07:50.36 | annadane | https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Some_safer_ways_to_install_software_not_available_in_Debian_Stable |
| 07:50.41 | annadane | adityaduggal, ^ |
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| 07:52.16 | adityaduggal | annadane: I am not an expert and hence can't really understand how to install npm |
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| 07:52.55 | annadane | actually it's maybe a bad idea to generically link to that page as it has multiple methods |
| 07:53.03 | annadane | so let me link to a specific one |
| 07:53.49 | annadane | well, actually, in this case they should be equivalent so it's a bit silly to prefer one method to another |
| 07:54.15 | annadane | but essentially, to describe the problem: npm is not available in stable. you can use simplebackportcreation, as described, to backport it for your own use from sid, or build it from source |
| 07:54.35 | annadane | or some other method in the link i posted |
| 07:55.28 | annadane | i'm not entirely sure which method is the more beginner friendly or what is preferred for beginners |
| 07:57.37 | AndreasLutro | adityaduggal: https://github.com/nodesource/distributions#deb is my preferred way to install nodejs on debian |
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| 08:02.35 | adityaduggal | AndreasLutro: I tried the instructions on github and the installation was a success but still node -v and npm -v are returning error |
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| 08:02.56 | AndreasLutro | tell us what error then |
| 08:02.58 | adityaduggal | root@aditya:/home/aditya# node -v bash: /usr/bin/node: No such file or directory |
| 08:03.14 | adityaduggal | root@aditya:/home/aditya# npm -v |
| 08:03.16 | adityaduggal | bash: npm: command not found |
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| 08:04.26 | adityaduggal | https://paste.gnome.org/preti5wmc |
| 08:05.14 | adityaduggal | I am kind of confused that nodejs is installed but node and npm version is unable to find the commands |
| 08:05.16 | AndreasLutro | 4.8.2~dfsg-1 sounds wrong, I don't know how you installed that |
| 08:05.41 | AndreasLutro | you should `apt remove nodejs`, double-check that you've added the nodesource repos, then `apt update && apt install nodejs` again |
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| 08:11.12 | joebobjoe | what is the difference between <limits.h> and <linux/limits.h> |
| 08:11.30 | joebobjoe | and why does #include <limits.h> seem to implicitly add <linux/limits.h> |
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| 08:15.43 | rudi_s | joebobjoe: limits.h is a POSIX system header, linux/limits.h a linux-specific version. So in portable programs inlcude limits.h. |
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| 08:23.34 | joebobjoe | rudi_s: okay. I wonder why gcc includes the linux-specific version automatically upon including the posix version |
| 08:23.55 | joebobjoe | don't see any include logic in the posix header to pull in the linux version |
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| 08:47.14 | rudi_s | joebobjoe: I guess it's in some other header file. |
| 08:47.39 | rudi_s | A short grep results in: |
| 08:47.39 | rudi_s | x86_64-linux-gnu/bits/local_lim.h:#include <linux/limits.h> |
| 08:47.40 | rudi_s | x86_64-linux-gnu/bits/param.h:#include <linux/limits.h> |
| 08:47.58 | rudi_s | I guess it's one of those which is included by some glibc header. |
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| 09:01.49 | joebobjoe | rudi_s: thanks |
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| 09:19.46 | annadane | kjblack, try /join #offsec |
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| 09:34.52 | vlt | Hello. I have ntpd running but my system's time is wrong every few days. Restarting ntpd helps but that's not a perfect solution. Any idea how to troubleshoot this? |
| 09:35.24 | Fnatic | hello |
| 09:36.20 | Fnatic | i trying to find ld-linux.so.2 on my debian 8 but it dosent look like it have be installed b4 |
| 09:36.27 | Fnatic | where can i find it ? |
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| 09:48.16 | ForceRecon | The other day I was informed that potentially this page might fix my bluetooth issue.. - https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/359979/broadcom-bcm4352-bluetooth-does-not-connect |
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| 09:48.49 | ForceRecon | can someone explain what these commands are doing |
| 09:48.51 | ForceRecon | cd /lib/firmware/brcm |
| 09:48.53 | ForceRecon | sudo wget https://github.com/winterheart/broadcom-bt-firmware/raw/master/brcm/BCM20702A1-13d3-3404.hcd |
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| 09:49.05 | celyr | it download a firmware |
| 09:49.09 | ForceRecon | sudo modprobe -r btusb |
| 09:49.12 | ForceRecon | sudo modprobe btusb |
| 09:49.18 | celyr | it loads some modules in the kernel |
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| 09:49.31 | ForceRecon | the reason I ask is because I don't thave that first folder |
| 09:49.39 | celyr | man mkdir |
| 09:49.40 | ForceRecon | it downloads a file, not sure where it goes |
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| 09:49.52 | celyr | it goes to the cwd |
| 09:49.55 | ForceRecon | I know how to make a directory.. was I suppose too? |
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| 09:51.12 | celyr | do you have all the packages that are supposed to be installed ? |
| 09:51.47 | celyr | bluez-firmware broadcom-sta-common broadcom-sta-dkms broadcom-sta-source firmware-brcm80211 firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 09:51.55 | celyr | because with those packages you should have also the directory |
| 09:52.00 | ForceRecon | well I see the bluetooth icon in the panel.. I do not see any devices, but get an error on boot about missing firware.. really not sure what to do |
| 09:52.49 | ForceRecon | how do I know what packages should be installed? Where do you guys get this information? |
| 09:53.19 | celyr | ForceRecon, honestly I have no idea of your specific problem |
| 09:53.25 | celyr | ForceRecon, I was just reading that page. |
| 09:53.44 | ForceRecon | ahh, no worries.. just trying to figure it out.. thanks for your input though |
| 09:54.00 | celyr | ForceRecon, anyway you should try what stated there and then dmesg |
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| 09:56.04 | cluelessperson | hey guys, sorry to bother you. |
| 09:56.27 | cluelessperson | I'm trying to setup an NFS share to share from this one server, ANOTHER nfs server's share that's currently mounted |
| 09:56.37 | cluelessperson | seems to error when I start the service |
| 09:57.00 | cluelessperson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:12.14 | palinuro | ls |
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| 10:16.41 | ziongate | hi, did an updrade in sid, yesterday, and can't anymore set my high resolution by xrandr |
| 10:16.46 | ziongate | any known issue ? |
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| 10:21.06 | annadane | ziongate, go ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 10:23.22 | ziongate | debian-next is +i |
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| 10:24.03 | annadane | ziongate, probably need to register your nick or enable ssl |
| 10:24.13 | annadane | probably the former; don't see it being the latter |
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| 10:24.25 | ziongate | ok thanks |
| 10:24.32 | annadane | but try both anyway |
| 10:24.36 | ziongate | ok |
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| 10:31.37 | themill | #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net |
| 10:32.12 | Haohmaru | that's a parallel universe |
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| 10:32.25 | OS-30917 | a |
| 10:33.15 | annadane | ziongate, ^ like i said, irc.oftc.net, not freenode |
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| 10:36.36 | Pricey | I'm editing /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades - How do I discover the archive/label/origin of a third party repository? |
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| 10:36.59 | themill | Pricey: "apt-cache policy" |
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| 10:38.08 | Pricey | themill: Am I missing a required option? That only shows installed and available versions. |
| 10:38.35 | Pricey | Oh... run it on the url, not a package.. |
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| 10:38.54 | Pricey | Nope, no output for that? |
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| 10:42.03 | toolz | how can I debug an error with an cgi script, logs show: [cgid:error] End of script output before headers: index.html - and I got internal server error on browser, there is no permission issue, and cgi runs fine inside the directory as I've tested with a sample testing script. |
| 10:42.44 | themill | Pricey: no, just "apt-cache policy" |
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| 10:44.05 | Pricey | themill: Oh right, thanks! |
| 10:48.38 | vlt | Hello. I have ntpd running but my system's time is wrong every few days. Restarting ntpd helps but that's not a perfect solution. Any idea how to troubleshoot this? There's no "ntp" in the syslog. |
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| 10:49.08 | adityaduggal | AndreasLutro: Thanks for the help, I was able to install nodejs after removing the old installed nodejs version, once again thanks for your help |
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| 10:51.09 | Pricey | vlt: Restarting ntpd is likely just running ntpdate - that's what fixes the time. I would try "ntpq -p" to see what the state of the ntpd is. You can pastebin the results? |
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| 10:51.26 | Pricey | vlt: It's likely that there are no (reachable) peers. |
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| 11:06.46 | gunix | is having luks encryption on top of stiped LV on 3 PVs a good idea? or will you get better encryption with luks + linear lv ? |
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| 11:16.06 | vlt | gunix: "better encryption"? |
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| 11:17.45 | vlt | Pricey: Thank you. I tried that: http://termbin.com/rd9j |
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| 11:19.13 | Pricey | vlt: That shows a large offset... so the peers are reachable. I'm guessing what's happenning is that your machine is set to a timezone you're not expecting. |
| 11:19.53 | vlt | Pricey: Timezone settings looks perfectly fine. |
| 11:19.57 | vlt | -s |
| 11:20.06 | Pricey | vlt: That offset is about 45 minutes? |
| 11:20.23 | Pricey | (so not actually that large, but still) |
| 11:20.29 | vlt | Pricey: Yes. That's what I observe every few days. |
| 11:21.06 | Pricey | vlt: Ok, so ntp won't adjust the time if the offset is > ~15 minutes (depends on various factors) |
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| 11:21.30 | Pricey | So that's why it's getting stuck... but as for why it's drifting in the first place... I'm not sure. |
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| 11:23.27 | Pricey | vlt: The jitter is also crazy high... I'm assuming you don't have a terrible internet connection though. |
| 11:24.13 | vlt | Pricey: I don't know what the jitter value is about and how it's related to the connection. The connection is quite ok. |
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| 11:25.51 | gunix | vlt: if you encrypt the blocks of data and after that you write to stripped LVs, you will get bad performance if the block configured on the striped LV do not match the ones from the encryption. |
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| 11:26.45 | Pricey | We're outside my area of competance. http://log.or.cz/?p=80 is a fun read with a few suggestions I'd look at though. The bit around "Our clock drifts so fast that the offset will go up by several seconds through our few measurements." sounds like it might be applicable to you. |
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| 11:54.19 | Arahael | So, I'm usin gbind9, with the default configuration. |
| 11:54.33 | Arahael | *bind9. However, I can't find simple sites such as https://brew.sh |
| 11:54.37 | Arahael | Why might that be? |
| 11:55.38 | gpunk | what does your /etc/resolv.conf look like ? |
| 11:56.03 | jelly | Arahael: does the default configuration include allowing recursion from wherever your client is? |
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| 11:56.49 | Arahael | jelly: Let me take a look, but I though tthe default would be a working default. |
| 11:56.57 | Arahael | Works for most sites. |
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| 11:57.34 | Arahael | gpunk: It looks like an ip address. |
| 11:57.51 | gpunk | which one ? it supposed to be 127.0.0.1 :) |
| 11:58.02 | gpunk | bind shoudl listen on it |
| 11:58.11 | jelly | yeah, it ought to be something that is safe and does something sane by default |
| 11:58.20 | gpunk | or your local adress will work too |
| 11:59.02 | Arahael | gpunk: Of course, my dhcp is messing that up. |
| 11:59.08 | Arahael | Will fix that up... |
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| 11:59.22 | gpunk | be my guest |
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| 12:00.26 | Arahael | Aaaand that does it. Thanks gpunk for the *stupidly obvious* answer. :) |
| 12:00.34 | Arahael | Sometimes it's the simple stuff. |
| 12:00.40 | gpunk | :p |
| 12:00.52 | Arahael | Now, to figure out how to stop my dhcp from messing that up... |
| 12:01.34 | gpunk | can you configure the router ? (dhcp server) |
| 12:01.42 | Arahael | gpunk: No. |
| 12:01.59 | gpunk | your system uses NM ? |
| 12:02.24 | Arahael | gpunk: The dhcp server is upstream. |
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| 12:04.29 | Arahael | I'll try taking 'domain-name, domain-search' out of the request list. |
| 12:05.10 | gpunk | domain server too ... |
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| 12:05.45 | Arahael | The name servers were already taken off. |
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| 12:06.14 | gpunk | oh then that /etc/resolv... was residual |
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| 12:06.27 | Arahael | Oh? Hmm, that's fairly possible. |
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| 12:07.33 | gpunk | you can restart Networking and see what s changed/not |
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| 13:12.50 | tommaso | hey, does anybody know how to use TLS/SSL when connecting to a server with the "ftp" cmd? |
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| 13:13.13 | gpunk | use sftp command |
| 13:13.28 | tommaso | gpunk: thx |
| 13:13.34 | themill | (although sftp â ftp + tls/ssl) |
| 13:13.58 | moka | Hi, over the weekend my HDMI output disappeared. I used to use nvidia drivers, I now have switched to intel integrated card but still no luck. I don't remember doing any upgrades on friday so it might be an hw failure? Still sound strange to me. Do you have any idea on how to test it? Here's the xrandrd output http://paste.debian.net/987669/ |
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| 13:14.55 | moka | This morning, using the nvidia drivers, the (ex) HDMI-1 output was missing completely (not marked as disconnected) |
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| 13:15.40 | saml | i heard it's good |
| 13:16.03 | saml | how can I get dependency tree of a package? better if i can limit depth |
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| 13:16.54 | gpunk | themill, ftps I ment ... |
| 13:17.07 | themill | ,i debtree |
| 13:17.09 | judd | Package debtree (utils, optional) in stretch/amd64: package dependency graphs on steroids. Version: 1.0.10+nmu1; Size: 19.5k; Installed: 63k; Homepage: http://collab-maint.alioth.debian.org/debtree/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/debtree |
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| 13:17.47 | saml | apt-cache depends ffmpeg and recurse |
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| 13:19.30 | beastywick87 | hi, I am having weird uefi problems. I installed debian uefi to be dual booted along side windows. I had to boot into windows safe mode because i wanted to setup two HDD as raid 0 to be used between the two OS, but in doing so it looks like I ended up restoring the windows bootloader. So now I don't see an entry in my bios boot for debian, only windows. |
| 13:19.34 | beastywick87 | I am so confused |
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| 13:19.47 | beastywick87 | should I reinstall grub to act as my boot loader? |
| 13:19.56 | beastywick87 | how come my bios isn't showing a debian entry |
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| 13:29.47 | tommaso | themill: what do you mean? is the sec layer implemented elsewhere? |
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| 13:31.37 | themill | tommaso: they are completely different things |
| 13:33.08 | tommaso | themilll: ok, so how to connect through TLSed FTP ? |
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| 13:35.23 | gpunk | tommaso, with filezilla for example , select ftps as protocol, put ftps://yourserver |
| 13:35.43 | themill | The default ftp command can't; pick something more modern. And less like ftp. |
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| 13:36.07 | themill | You probably don't really want FTP+TLS |
| 13:36.09 | tommaso | themill: ftp-ssl works |
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| 13:36.51 | themill | Enjoy all the problems of ftp but with all the problems of ssl added to it. Definite win. |
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| 13:43.57 | tommaso | themill: altough moving FTP to SFTP, still SSH would depend on TLS/SSL no? |
| 13:44.07 | tw | ssh does not use tls |
| 13:44.08 | sypher | No. Not in the slightest. |
| 13:44.49 | tommaso | ok thx |
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| 13:45.49 | gpunk | it uses SSL |
| 13:45.55 | tw | The cryptographic algorithms are similar, but the negotiation protocol is far different and ssh is not nearly as complex as tls has to be. |
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| 13:46.24 | FinalX | tommaso: people are often confused between SFTP and FTPS; FTPS is FTP with TLS; SFTP is a file transfer protocol implemented by SSH. it's not common FTP at all, it's an entirely different protocol. |
| 13:46.25 | jelly | I've found one(1) ftp site that uses ftp with tls. |
| 13:46.32 | jelly | for anonymous, public access |
| 13:46.46 | sypher | SSH does not use SSL. FTPS = FTP + SSL/TLS. SFTP != FTPS. SFTP is basically file transfer over SSH. |
| 13:47.11 | gpunk | oh yeah? to compile ssh you need openssl no ? |
| 13:47.18 | tommaso | Thanks FinalX et al. I got it |
| 13:47.28 | jelly | gpunk: yes, its libcrypto part is used. |
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| 13:47.43 | tw | gpunk: --without-openssl |
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| 13:47.57 | jelly | gpunk: ldd /usr/bin/ssh | grep ssl |
| 13:48.20 | jelly | versus ldd /usr/bin/ssh | grep crypto |
| 13:49.20 | sypher | gpunk: Yeah, because OpenSSL provides cryptographic primitives like AES and the SHA hash set, not because it uses the TLS protocol. |
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| 14:04.07 | __[0_0]__ | is there a good way to see why a late_command is failing in preseed? Im looking over /var/log/installer/{syslog,cdebconf/questions.dat} I see the late_command step being execution but my questions.dat would imply that its not actually doing anything with the provided late_command |
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| 14:07.45 | ntz | hello |
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| 14:09.56 | ntz | I'm getting in messages this http://susepaste.org/view/raw/1594426 as on result from rsyncing drive with bad blocks ... rsync seems to ignore --ignore-errors cli option and always stop with ``rsync error: timeout in data send/receive (code 30) at io.c(846) [sender=3.1.0]'' ... |
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| 14:10.25 | ntz | this is also wtf https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=181805 because --ignore-errors has nothing to do with continuing on i/o errors |
| 14:10.42 | ntz | how do I tell to rsync to just skip errorous files and continue ? |
| 14:11.14 | ntz | my rsync cli is this: rsync -av --progress --timeout=10 --log-file=/home/dpecka/mnt/My\ Book/backup_rsync.stdout --ignore-errors /mnt/* My\ Book/bacrr.1 2>~dpecka/mnt/My\ Book/backup_rsync.stder |
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| 14:11.57 | ntz | sorry this: rsync -av --progress --timeout=10 --log-file=/home/dpecka/mnt/My\ Book/backup_rsync.stdout --ignore-errors /mnt/* My\ Book/backup/ 2>~dpecka/mnt/My\ Book/backup_rsync.stderr.1 |
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| 14:22.32 | jelly | ntz: do you have a question about that? |
| 14:23.00 | jelly | oh, <ntz> how do I tell to rsync to just skip errorous files and continue ? |
| 14:24.03 | ntz | I've workarounded that by excluding that path yet via --exclude-from=/file |
| 14:24.28 | jelly | great |
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| 14:27.28 | gpunk | I'm looking for a gtk based IRC client as powefull as KVirc |
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| 14:27.34 | gpunk | any thaughts? |
| 14:27.40 | tx | hexchat |
| 14:27.42 | tx | oh |
| 14:27.48 | tx | you want images and stuff to load? |
| 14:27.58 | gpunk | i am using it right now... but doesnt have as much features |
| 14:28.18 | gpunk | stuff yes :) |
| 14:28.54 | gpunk | for example clicking once on a nickname, copies it to message box ... |
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| 14:29.19 | gpunk | I googled ... no luck |
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| 14:30.24 | jelly | message box? |
| 14:30.40 | gpunk | where you type your message |
| 14:30.50 | jelly | gpunk: I just start typing gp and press the Tab key |
| 14:31.17 | gpunk | that s not enough for me :) |
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| 14:31.30 | jelly | Tab completion is a common cli idiom |
| 14:31.49 | gpunk | i know :) been bashing since 95 or so ... |
| 14:31.51 | jelly | gpunk: maybe you can just g<Tab> |
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| 15:02.36 | juon | Hi everibody |
| 15:02.38 | juon | how do i find the reference package for installation of this, bd_crypto open blob, what will be the libblockdev package? |
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| 15:15.07 | ashwle | Its work, I'm solve the problem, sudo aptitude install libblockdev-plugins-all, thank you so much |
| 15:15.23 | juon | ^^ |
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| 15:30.05 | bennypr0fane | hi, I'm running debian with lxde, how can I adjust settings for my laptop touchpad? |
| 15:30.37 | bennypr0fane | it won't accept tapping as click |
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| 15:36.20 | jhutchins_wk | !touchpad |
| 15:36.20 | dpkg | As of stretch, the synaptics driver isn't used by GNOME. If your touchpad stopped working in stretch, try installing xserver-xorg-input-libinput and removing xserver-xorg-input-synaptics; see https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/07/msg00266.html and https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad |
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| 16:05.49 | bennypr0fane | my root password isn't working on a fresh install although i'm sure i have the correct one - I set the same pw for my user and root |
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| 16:06.24 | bennypr0fane | Is it possible it somehow remained the default from the live medium? |
| 16:07.04 | apollo13 | bennypr0fane: are you trying to login via ssh? |
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| 16:08.24 | jelly | (using password for root via ssh is disabled by default) |
| 16:08.49 | jelly | bennypr0fane: but you should be able to login as root at the text console |
| 16:09.10 | bennypr0fane | jelly: no I'm physically on the machine |
| 16:09.11 | jelly | or by running "su -" as normal user |
| 16:09.36 | jelly | bennypr0fane: does by any change your user belong to "sudo" group right from the start? |
| 16:09.38 | jelly | id -a |
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| 16:09.48 | jelly | chance* |
| 16:10.08 | bennypr0fane | jelly: it says I'm not in sudoers group |
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| 16:10.25 | jelly | so no. That's weird, then |
| 16:10.40 | jelly | and "su -" does not work either? |
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| 16:11.58 | jelly | installing from live medium has some bugs, but I haven't heard of not setting root password right, before now |
| 16:12.01 | bennypr0fane | "authentication error" |
| 16:12.15 | MikeDebian | I'm transforming a single drive server to a raid1. I'm now on the process of rsync (initial copy) of the data from one drive to another. both drives are dell enterprise/server drives and are exactly the same. the rsync is being very very slow. I've also stopped it and tested writing speeds. They are extremely low. Is it normal for the speed to drop while the raid is not complete and running? |
| 16:12.34 | jelly | bennypr0fane: then the only way to fix it is to change root's password booted from some other linux system |
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| 16:12.36 | jelly | !ifrp |
| 16:12.37 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 16:12.42 | jelly | bennypr0fane: ^^ |
| 16:12.48 | bennypr0fane | actually the installer was not available directly in the live session. I had to bott directly to the installer |
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| 16:14.04 | bennypr0fane | *boot |
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| 16:14.30 | bennypr0fane | jelly: what's lilo? |
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| 16:15.24 | jelly | an old boot loader that's not relevant for a default installation |
| 16:16.31 | bennypr0fane | jelly well for the procedure listed here i don't need another linux system though? |
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| 16:25.57 | NeilHanlon[T] | hey all... having a bit of trouble getting grub working after a minimal Debian 9 upgrade (from jessie) |
| 16:26.14 | NeilHanlon[T] | I was able to boot in using rEFInd |
| 16:26.52 | NeilHanlon[T] | when I try to install grub, I get messages about not being able set variables and then efibootmgr says "Failed to register the boot entry: input/output error" |
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| 16:28.21 | NeilHanlon[T] | see: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/29af6d2fc20856dc034269659d2ea07d |
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| 16:30.24 | rubas | Hi, I was wondering how I can make user B read user A's file F, without user B owning file F.. |
| 16:30.30 | rubas | File F is in User A's home directory |
| 16:30.48 | rubas | The file user B is trying to read is /home/userA/fileF |
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| 16:31.10 | SwedeMike | rubas: just read, or also edit? |
| 16:31.17 | rubas | SwedeMike: Only read |
| 16:31.46 | SwedeMike | rubas: well, that typically just works. .. but https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/183994/understanding-unix-permissions-and-their-attributes |
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| 16:33.06 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day |
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| 16:33.16 | rubas | Thank you SwedeMike |
| 16:33.24 | teraflops | raynold: no it's not |
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| 16:34.20 | Brigo | teraflops, i am with raynold, it is a wonderful day (mostly) :-) |
| 16:34.27 | teraflops | lol |
| 16:35.15 | Brigo | teraflops, new Gotham chapter! \o/ |
| 16:36.15 | spacebug^ | it's not even certain it's day :) |
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| 16:36.30 | NeilHanlon[T] | Anyone have any thoughts on https://gist.github.com/anonymous/29af6d2fc20856dc034269659d2ea07d ? secure boot is off. csm/legacy is off |
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| 16:40.25 | teraflops | I just dislike how raynold spams all the channels |
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| 16:43.26 | jelly | bennypr0fane: oh, right. But you can do something similar booted from a livecd as well. |
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| 16:44.47 | jelly | raynold: teraflops will welcome your welcome message in our #debian-offtopic channel, but maybe avoid it here unless you actually want to ask something |
| 16:45.49 | jelly | if every person reconnecting to idle did a hello world, it would make a lot more noisy channel |
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| 17:21.58 | jhutchins_wk | MikeDebian: That's really a question for whatever support there is for the RAID controller. |
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| 17:22.23 | jhutchins_wk | It might be running probes or diagnostics to check the health of the array, even though there isn't one. |
| 17:22.38 | jhutchins_wk | MikeDebian: Make sure it's set to not try to be a RAID. |
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| 17:35.58 | NeilHanlon | I _think_ I fixed my issue, I just copied the grub efi from grub/grubx64.efi to boot/bootx64.efi in /boot/EFI/ |
| 17:36.07 | NeilHanlon | i'm not sure how this will affect me in the future... |
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| 17:36.31 | NeilHanlon | but. ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 17:58.00 | n-iCe | Hello installed Debian, with no gui, what would be the way to connect wifi |
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| 18:01.03 | teraflops | n-iCe: /e/n/i or NM are fine |
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| 18:01.23 | n-iCe | Tried iwconfif and dhclient |
| 18:01.37 | n-iCe | Ia supposed to be connected but cant even use ping |
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| 18:01.42 | n-iCe | Is |
| 18:01.59 | teraflops | n-iCe: iwconfig only works with wep |
| 18:02.14 | n-iCe | Oh really? |
| 18:02.31 | teraflops | you may want wpa_supplicant, but again, /e/n/i is fine, NM has nmtui which is nicer since you can pick the AP |
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| 18:02.38 | Brigo | n-iCe, i would check ip a for an ip |
| 18:02.50 | teraflops | n-iCe: yep really |
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| 18:03.03 | n-iCe | Is network manager installed by default? |
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| 18:03.35 | teraflops | nope |
| 18:03.56 | teraflops | idk if gnome task includes it though |
| 18:04.06 | teraflops | but you said no gui |
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| 18:04.38 | teraflops | n-iCe: for a server/herless machine /e/n/i is fine |
| 18:04.39 | jhutchins_wk | !wifi |
| 18:04.39 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 18:04.40 | n-iCe | No gui |
| 18:04.42 | teraflops | headless |
| 18:04.59 | n-iCe | I added to interfacea and dhclient no luck |
| 18:05.00 | teraflops | n-iCe: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 18:05.14 | Brigo | teraflops, e/n/i ? |
| 18:05.22 | teraflops | again, iwconfig wont work unless you use wep or open |
| 18:05.22 | sypher | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.34 | Brigo | damn, it is what i am using XD |
| 18:05.40 | n-iCe | Is what I used |
| 18:05.45 | n-iCe | Added in interfaces |
| 18:05.53 | teraflops | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:05.59 | n-iCe | Should i reboot? |
| 18:06.12 | Brigo | n-iCe, iwconfig shows your wifi? |
| 18:06.26 | n-iCe | Yes |
| 18:06.34 | teraflops | n-iCe: ah I misread then, you just said iwconfig |
| 18:06.55 | teraflops | n-iCe: tried ifdown/ifup |
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| 18:07.00 | Brigo | n-iCe, then it is supported, you just need configure it right. |
| 18:07.10 | n-iCe | I rebooted |
| 18:07.16 | n-iCe | And iw not being shown in iwconfig |
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| 18:07.24 | n-iCe | I added it to interfaces though |
| 18:07.40 | canucktux2 | I'm having some trouble getting networking working inside a chroot |
| 18:07.50 | Brigo | if it is not showed int iwconfig you have a driver issue. |
| 18:08.11 | canucktux2 | after I chroot in I can "ls /etc/" and SEE resolv.conf pop up, but if I try to cat the file it says it's not there |
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| 18:08.53 | jhutchins_wk | canucktux2: Have you mounted proc, dev, and sys? |
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| 18:09.13 | Brigo | canucktux2, are you sure it's not a link? |
| 18:09.19 | canucktux2 | jhutchins_wk: yes |
| 18:09.32 | n-iCe | https://photos.app.goo.gl/eVqRCOVXh69rru2I2 |
| 18:09.35 | n-iCe | Is it correct? |
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| 18:10.03 | canucktux2 | Brigo: I connected over LAN to simplify things |
| 18:10.42 | jhutchins_wk | I wonder what happens if I dial that number? |
| 18:10.51 | jhutchins_wk | n-iCe: Need to check the hardware level first. |
| 18:11.10 | jhutchins_wk | n-iCe: Something like lspci -nn | grep -i net |
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| 18:11.15 | Brigo | canucktux2, i meant resolv.conf is not a link |
| 18:11.40 | canucktux2 | it may have been |
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| 18:11.48 | n-iCe | https://photos.app.goo.gl/8ZJh40JOWLHITxJA3 |
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| 18:11.54 | n-iCe | jhutchins_wk |
| 18:11.55 | Brigo | n-iCe, not at all, man |
| 18:11.58 | canucktux2 | Brigo: I deleted it and copied the contents of a working one and it works now |
| 18:12.04 | n-iCe | Brigo what |
| 18:12.20 | canucktux2 | Brigo: In the future, how can I check if it is symlinked? |
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| 18:12.34 | Brigo | n-iCe, the configuration isn't right, at all. |
| 18:12.41 | jhutchins_wk | ,pciid 8086:4222 |
| 18:12.43 | judd | [8086:4222] is 'PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'iwl3945', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4222 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy |
| 18:12.44 | Brigo | canucktux2, with ls -l |
| 18:12.59 | canucktux2 | thanks! |
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| 18:13.30 | n-iCe | Brigo so whats the problem |
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| 18:13.49 | Brigo | if i paste a file can you see it? |
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| 18:13.55 | canucktux2 | allright, I ran "apt-get install --reinstall grub-efi" in an attempt to make my SSD bootable again after cleansing my bios |
| 18:13.55 | Brigo | have you a web browser? |
| 18:13.58 | jhutchins_wk | n-iCe: Should work by default, not sure if you need firmware. You can dmesg | grep -i firmware and see if it's complaining. |
| 18:14.00 | n-iCe | Im in my phone |
| 18:14.09 | canucktux2 | anything else I should do before I reboot? |
| 18:14.17 | n-iCe | jhutchins_wk is not driver is ok |
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| 18:16.40 | Brigo | n-iCe, you miss a line: iface wlp12s0 inet dhcp |
| 18:16.45 | n-iCe | Oh |
| 18:17.09 | Brigo | after iface lo loopback line |
| 18:17.13 | n-iCe | Done |
| 18:17.15 | n-iCe | Now |
| 18:17.15 | jhutchins_wk | Brigo: Good catch. |
| 18:17.25 | Brigo | and then try ifup wlp12s0 |
| 18:17.40 | n-iCe | Done |
| 18:17.41 | n-iCe | Now |
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| 18:18.02 | Brigo | there were any errors? |
| 18:18.03 | n-iCe | Ifup unknown interface |
| 18:18.25 | Brigo | any typo maybe? |
| 18:18.32 | n-iCe | Ip link set wlp12s0 up |
| 18:18.39 | n-iCe | That gave no errors |
| 18:18.43 | n-iCe | No typo brigo |
| 18:18.46 | Brigo | wlp12s0 if the name of your wify right? |
| 18:18.51 | RoyK | Is there a git repo somewhere with debian translations? I'd like to help translating and/or review of Norweian (nynorsk and bokmål) |
| 18:19.00 | n-iCe | Yed it is |
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| 18:19.05 | jocker | hi |
| 18:19.15 | Brigo | if you added the line i gave you, iface wlp12s0 inet dhcp |
| 18:19.16 | n-iCe | I did dhclient -v wlp12s0 |
| 18:19.32 | Brigo | n-iCe, ifup will do all that for you |
| 18:19.44 | n-iCe | Ok done |
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| 18:19.48 | n-iCe | Iface was not added |
| 18:19.55 | n-iCe | Is doing it now |
| 18:20.01 | Brigo | but it can't find the device with name wlp12s0 in the configuration file |
| 18:20.08 | jelly | RoyK: humm, /msg dpkg l10n ? |
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| 18:21.03 | n-iCe | https://photos.app.goo.gl/qBIiO5h3RDbEuKrw1 |
| 18:21.05 | n-iCe | Brigo |
| 18:22.16 | Brigo | n-iCe, what about iwconfig? |
| 18:22.20 | Brigo | maybe you don't need the brackets |
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| 18:22.41 | n-iCe | The config you guys sent me there are brackets |
| 18:22.43 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: https://www.debian.org/international/ |
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| 18:23.03 | Brigo | n-iCe, just try without them. |
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| 18:23.06 | n-iCe | Ik |
| 18:23.07 | n-iCe | Ok |
| 18:23.14 | Brigo | n-iCe, i use it without them. |
| 18:23.17 | Brigo | not sure with |
| 18:24.14 | n-iCe | Ifup says now interface already configured |
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| 18:24.27 | n-iCe | Iwconfig does not show it |
| 18:24.59 | jocker | :) |
| 18:25.04 | Brigo | n-iCe, ifdown wlp12s0 and then ifup wlp12s0 |
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| 18:25.55 | n-iCe | Worked! |
| 18:25.57 | n-iCe | Awesome! |
| 18:25.57 | jocker | what are you rightimg |
| 18:26.03 | jocker | righting |
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| 18:26.31 | Brigo | n-iCe, cool :) |
| 18:26.41 | n-iCe | Is there any network manager package in command line? |
| 18:26.41 | jocker | bots |
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| 18:26.45 | Brigo | if you want it running at boot you need to add another line |
| 18:26.49 | n-iCe | Like arch wifi-menu |
| 18:27.01 | jocker | yes |
| 18:27.03 | jhutchins_wk | n-iCe: nm-cli |
| 18:27.09 | teraflops | nmtui |
| 18:27.15 | jocker | jod_dsas0ddsas-dasxdsa |
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| 18:27.19 | jocker | the same' |
| 18:27.23 | Brigo | n-iCe, don't know never needed it. |
| 18:27.33 | jocker | you well |
| 18:27.37 | jocker | need it |
| 18:27.38 | teraflops | n-iCe: it's included in nm |
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| 18:27.59 | Brigo | n-iCe, add auto wlp12s0 before the iface wlp12s0 |
| 18:28.02 | jhutchins_wk | Isn't there a TCL or whatever interface too? |
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| 18:31.35 | n-iCe | Let me join in irssi in thr laptop |
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| 18:32.07 | n-iCe | Done! thanks! |
| 18:32.10 | teraflops | n-iCe: nmtui http://pb.gehidore.net/gbYq.png |
| 18:32.19 | n-iCe | whats the command line package for network manager? |
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| 18:32.39 | teraflops | it's included in NM already |
| 18:33.00 | n-iCe | thing is I have a old laptop |
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| 18:33.10 | n-iCe | 1GB ram, what-s why I use debian netinst with i3 |
| 18:33.17 | n-iCe | I want all minimal, nm is heavy, is not? |
| 18:33.23 | teraflops | nopw |
| 18:33.27 | teraflops | nope |
| 18:34.18 | n-iCe | ok |
| 18:34.21 | n-iCe | let me download it |
| 18:35.11 | Brigo | n-iCe, you can't use e/n/i and NM at the same time. |
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| 18:36.21 | teraflops | you cannot use 2 network management tools at same time unless you know what youre doing, for this very situation Brigo is right |
| 18:36.40 | n-iCe | ok |
| 18:36.47 | n-iCe | I downloaded network-manager package |
| 18:36.52 | n-iCe | nm-cli is what I need? |
| 18:37.34 | teraflops | nope :S |
| 18:37.47 | teraflops | "NetworkManager is configured through graphical interfaces, which are available for GNOME and KDE. Your wireless interface should not be referenced within Debian's /etc/network/interfaces" |
| 18:37.49 | n-iCe | what is it? |
| 18:37.55 | teraflops | nmtui |
| 18:38.08 | n-iCe | ok |
| 18:38.09 | n-iCe | thanks! |
| 18:38.11 | teraflops | np |
| 18:38.21 | n-iCe | not, I need to configurate my keyboard, all is wrong aha |
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| 18:47.45 | n-iCe | I'm back! all is working now. |
| 18:48.04 | n-iCe | Awesome! I like nmtui |
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| 18:49.14 | algun_ | (I can't start up LibreOffice Writer) |
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| 18:51.46 | n-iCe | algun_: why |
| 18:51.48 | n-iCe | password2: hi |
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| 18:56.27 | relaxed | password2: that and dmesg |
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| 18:58.46 | password2 | ah , this is what i see in dmesg http://paste.debian.net/987718/ |
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| 19:00.50 | n-iCe | !flash |
| 19:00.51 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or <adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free implementations. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash, or see nasty bug #841373. See also <flash stretch>. |
| 19:01.02 | n-iCe | !adobe flash |
| 19:01.02 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is proprietary (non-free) software. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree package, ask me about <contrib>. WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer. Try «update-flashplugin-nonfree --install» if the installation didn't seem to work or to update the plugin. |
| 19:01.47 | teraflops | password2: dmesg should show a *tty device there |
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| 19:02.29 | n-iCe | I don't understand, does chromium comes with flash? |
| 19:02.35 | teraflops | nope |
| 19:02.41 | teraflops | nor java |
| 19:02.49 | password2 | there is a line like [ 6767.285854] cp210x ttyUSB0: cp210x converter now disconnected from ttyUSB0 |
| 19:02.49 | jelly | password2: new /dev/ttyUSB* ought to appear |
| 19:02.57 | teraflops | password2: there you go |
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| 19:03.02 | password2 | its not listed under device though |
| 19:03.07 | n-iCe | teraflops: what flash package do you use |
| 19:03.10 | teraflops | none |
| 19:03.18 | n-iCe | or which one should I use? |
| 19:03.29 | teraflops | if you ask me⦠none |
| 19:03.32 | teraflops | :P |
| 19:03.48 | jelly | password2: "disconnected" does not look good if it's supposed to still be connected ? |
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| 19:03.57 | teraflops | n-iCe: idk, to be honest I just forgot about flash |
| 19:04.06 | n-iCe | !pepper flash |
| 19:04.07 | dpkg | Pepper Flash Player is a proprietary <flash> plugin included with the Google Chrome web browser. The pepperflashplugin-nonfree Debian package can be used to install this plugin for the <Chromium> browser, ask me about <contrib>. https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer |
| 19:04.08 | password2 | well i switched it on and off |
| 19:04.23 | password2 | *off and on |
| 19:04.43 | bachler | I have been trying to get some help with debian-arm installation on my QNAP TS221 over on #debian-arm, but it has been rather dead over there for like a month, anyone know where one could get some help? the installer halts and caches fire, here is the kernel log: https://pastebin.com/0Ui2uRAN if anyone is interested. any help or suggestions are welcome! |
| 19:04.44 | password2 | could it be that ist just not assigning a path? |
| 19:04.48 | jelly | then that line is not enough to draw any conclusion |
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| 19:05.14 | teraflops | password2: what's your goal? connecting to cisco/similar? |
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| 19:05.41 | password2 | teraflops, its and esp32 dev board , so uploading new firmware via the arduino ide |
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| 19:06.04 | teraflops | ah, just curious, I do minicom for cisco stuff |
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| 19:07.32 | password2 | can i clear dmesg? |
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| 19:08.20 | n-iCe | can't find a way to install flash in chromium |
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| 19:09.18 | teraflops | password2: why? just read the latest messages |
| 19:09.26 | password2 | how? |
| 19:09.53 | password2 | using the timestamp? |
| 19:10.27 | teraflops | e.g dmesg -w -T |
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| 19:10.51 | teraflops | then plug your serial thingy |
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| 19:12.06 | password2 | ok , something is wonky , it does seem to disconect itself , idk why http://paste.debian.net/987720/ |
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| 19:13.58 | teraflops | password2: idk, is the serial end connected to anything? |
| 19:14.08 | password2 | yes |
| 19:14.11 | kion | I installed a dwg viewer and it complains about a library libQt5Xml.so.5 not existing. What do I need to install? |
| 19:14.14 | password2 | its connected to an esp32 |
| 19:14.26 | teraflops | maybe is not configures properly¿ |
| 19:14.36 | teraflops | sorry for the typos |
| 19:14.38 | password2 | it was working fine on windows |
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| 19:15.19 | password2 | it keeps detecting it and keeps daying disconnected |
| 19:15.39 | teraflops | did you have to setup anything related to the device under windows? |
| 19:15.45 | password2 | along with 'device not accepting adress XX' |
| 19:15.48 | password2 | teraflops, no |
| 19:16.08 | password2 | it installed as an com port |
| 19:16.14 | teraflops | lucky you I had to select the port number under devices |
| 19:16.25 | teraflops | com port number |
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| 19:17.51 | teraflops | password2: is there any wiki/tutorial/blog wich covers what youre doing? |
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| 19:18.24 | password2 | this is what i did https://github.com/espressif/arduino-esp32/blob/master/docs/arduino-ide/debian_ubuntu.md |
| 19:18.39 | teraflops | to be honest I cannot remember if I had to setup anything for getting it working with minicom |
| 19:19.16 | password2 | i dont know why it disconeccts |
| 19:19.19 | teraflops | password2: I was thinking about the serial stuff :S |
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| 19:21.50 | password2 | ok , i plugged it directly into my pc was via usb hub previously) now it stays connected |
| 19:22.25 | teraflops | ,v libqt5xml5 |
| 19:22.26 | judd | Package: libqt5xml5 on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u2; stretch: 5.7.1+dfsg-3+b1; buster: 5.9.1+dfsg-9; sid: 5.9.1+dfsg-10 |
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| 19:22.39 | teraflops | kion: â ? |
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| 19:22.57 | password2 | but my arduino IDE still dont want to talk to the esp32 |
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| 19:23.10 | kion | teraflops, Thanks I will and check |
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| 19:27.27 | teraflops | password2: ugh bad idea using usb hubs for such things |
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| 19:29.17 | teraflops | d!radio opeth |
| 19:29.20 | teraflops | oops |
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| 19:29.45 | password2 | well , i still cant program the device it seems |
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| 19:31.31 | password2 | ok wait, i do get serial out |
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| 19:32.02 | DammitJim | how do you guys deal with rebooting servers where you don't want application services to not start upon boot? |
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| 19:32.08 | DammitJim | or is that something is not commonly done? |
| 19:32.24 | RoyK | DammitJim: which service(s)? |
| 19:32.29 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: You have a double negative in there - did you mean that? |
| 19:32.39 | password2 | oh it works now |
| 19:32.46 | teraflops | magic |
| 19:32.47 | jhutchins_wk | password2: Great! |
| 19:32.50 | DammitJim | oh, like services you have created for applications your servers run |
| 19:32.59 | password2 | dont know what i did htough |
| 19:33.07 | n-iCe | teraflops: you like i3? |
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| 19:33.09 | n-iCe | I'm loving it. |
| 19:33.11 | DammitJim | yeah, double negative question |
| 19:33.12 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Are you sayinig you want something like a one-time boot without certain services? |
| 19:33.13 | teraflops | DammitJim: you can enable/disable services^ |
| 19:33.19 | n-iCe | Uses so few resources. |
| 19:33.20 | teraflops | n-iCe: I do like sway |
| 19:33.33 | n-iCe | I just need to get used to it, any recommendations |
| 19:33.34 | DammitJim | teraflops, yeah, I guess something like that |
| 19:33.37 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Or do you want them to start automatically. |
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| 19:34.33 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Either way, there's More Than One Method (tm). |
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| 19:35.33 | DammitJim | I don't want them to start automatically until I"m done with my maintenance |
| 19:35.50 | DammitJim | I guess I'll need to possibly just have a document where I go through and disable services one at a time |
| 19:35.59 | DammitJim | I think I have 10 or something in one server |
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| 19:37.58 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: You could boot to something like multi-user.target which won't start the GUI. This is what runlevels were good for. |
| 19:38.24 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: If you have .service files for them I think you can disable a .service at boot. |
| 19:38.55 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: So one way would be to put all of the files into a .service file and they'd only start with that service. |
| 19:38.56 | DammitJim | ah ok, so nothing special... I just have to get my act together and have a check list and just disable each service |
| 19:39.01 | DammitJim | then when done, re-enable them |
| 19:39.14 | DammitJim | cross my Ts and Dot my Is to make sure I didn't forget to enable one ;) |
| 19:39.32 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: It's pretty easy to do a cascade where they're all started by the same .service file. |
| 19:39.44 | DammitJim | I think for jessie, I just need to do: systemctl disable <service_name> |
| 19:39.57 | DammitJim | a cascade? OMG, what is that? |
| 19:40.00 | teraflops | if youre going to reboot disabling is ok, but if youre not going to reboot maybe stopping them is enough |
| 19:40.02 | DammitJim | this sounds VERY helpful! |
| 19:40.14 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: WHere one service just calls some other services. |
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| 19:41.08 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Those services aren't enabled, so they don't auto-start without the master service. |
| 19:41.14 | DammitJim | teraflops, I'm looking at cases where one needs to say add more space to the virtual hard drive... one needs to shut down the server, expand/add hard drive space for the vm, power on, create the partition (i.e. /dev/sdb3), reboot for the system to "see it, then expand the logical volumes |
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| 19:41.37 | DammitJim | I"m going to google that, jhutchins_wk, thanks! |
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| 19:41.55 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: You could do that by using single user mode. |
| 19:42.12 | DammitJim | oh |
| 19:42.15 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Mint and RedHat have the best systemd docs. |
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| 19:42.32 | DammitJim | so, on the first reboot... just reboot into single user mode |
| 19:42.41 | DammitJim | create the partition and reboot to normal mode? |
| 19:42.56 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Or reboot to single again and check that everything's working. |
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| 19:43.06 | DammitJim | tru |
| 19:43.10 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: If it is, you can just switch targets. |
| 19:44.19 | DammitJim | is there a "command" to reboot the server into single user mode? or is this something one can only do once the system is coming up and navigate grub? |
| 19:46.50 | jhutchins_wk | I'm pretty sure there's a way, it's been possible to "prime" grub for a one-time restart for a while. |
| 19:47.10 | jhutchins_wk | (That's the thing I miss most from lilo on redhat.) |
| 19:47.19 | DammitJim | LILO! |
| 19:47.36 | DammitJim | where hast thou been? <- my broken English |
| 19:47.53 | jhutchins_wk | I fought grub for a few years and finally gave up. |
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| 19:55.08 | eric | So I'm trying to uninstall and reinstall mysql. Purge didn't work, install --fix-missing or whatever did nothing. I want all mysql files gone and then mysql reinstalled fresh. I can't use it at all because whenever I reinstall is it tells me that the file for that command is missing (for example /usr/bin/mysql for mysql_secure_installation). Sorry if you've already seen this, my problem is still stopping |
| 19:55.14 | Guest54674 | progress |
| 19:56.11 | thecat | just out of curiosity, |
| 19:56.30 | thecat | why are mature, stable projects, such as gajim or gnumeric still using version numbers 0.16 or 0.10 |
| 19:56.36 | thecat | These projects have been around for 20 years |
| 19:56.40 | thecat | they are no longer beta |
| 19:56.53 | thecat | or is it no longer the case, that unstable versions start with 0 ? |
| 19:57.03 | jhutchins_wk | thecat: There's no real standard. |
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| 19:57.12 | teraflops | look at ff or chromium lol |
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| 19:58.04 | jhutchins_wk | I remember when firefox suddenly decided to go for version inflation. |
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| 19:58.47 | password2 | jhutchins_wk, i found the issue with my esp32 |
| 19:59.12 | password2 | it seems there is a cracked or dry solder joint , mechanical stress makes the serial not work |
| 19:59.14 | teraflops | we well have ff v 5.10âµ lol |
| 19:59.35 | teraflops | will^ |
| 19:59.40 | jhutchins_wk | password2: Good work finding that. Can you fix it? |
| 19:59.51 | password2 | maybe |
| 20:00.18 | password2 | for now i need to remove the board to program it , I'll touch up the solder some other day |
| 20:00.28 | jhutchins_wk | password2: I have seven or eight soldering irons. Only one will actually melt solder. I couldn't believe they all failed at the same time, but I guess they must have some common problem. |
| 20:02.21 | password2 | thats odd? |
| 20:02.33 | password2 | i solder at like 350C normally |
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| 21:20.02 | brontosaurusrex_ | a tool that would detect window resize event? (something I can use from shell scripts), like 'xprop -spy -stuff' ? |
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| 21:22.35 | well_laid_lawn | have a look at wmctrl |
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| 21:24.36 | brontosaurusrex_ | well_laid_lawn: doesn't seem to be able to be triggered on event |
| 21:24.40 | phogg | well_laid_lawn: can wmctrl detect events? I know it can send them, but I don't remember it being able to monitor things. |
| 21:25.10 | phogg | brontosaurusrex_: the other possibility is xdotool, but I don't know that it can monitor either |
| 21:25.31 | brontosaurusrex_ | phogg: read that man as well |
| 21:26.13 | phogg | brontosaurusrex_: look at 'behave' |
| 21:26.23 | phogg | seems like you can get at least some events bound that way |
| 21:27.07 | brontosaurusrex_ | phogg: ok. |
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| 21:27.28 | phogg | brontosaurusrex_: the list of supported events is sadly quite small... |
| 21:28.07 | well_laid_lawn | I've never used wmctrl - just heard others mention it for scripts |
| 21:28.23 | brontosaurusrex_ | phogg: yeah, that seems to be screen-edge trigger |
| 21:28.39 | phogg | brontosaurusrex_: it also supports mouse click and move events, but no resize |
| 21:28.58 | brontosaurusrex_ | really, let me try. |
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| 21:30.33 | sanou572 | /list |
| 21:31.08 | brontosaurusrex_ | hmm, not sure how to even start, I need something like: xprop -spy -onwindowid 234234 resizeEvent (my triggered code here) < pseudocode |
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| 21:52.31 | tw | or xev -id |
| 21:52.55 | tw | the event you're looking for is ConfigureNotify, but catching just resize means keeping state on the geometry. |
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| 21:53.34 | newbie124 | hi olks |
| 21:53.41 | newbie124 | what do you think about suggested/recommended ? |
| 21:53.49 | newbie124 | they should be disabled? |
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| 21:57.02 | jelly | newbie124: the defaults are sane. |
| 21:57.34 | newbie124 | this is the reason why when i do install xorg before lxde-core it does not produce the same result as the inverse? |
| 21:57.43 | jelly | they have some benefits and some issues, it really depends on what kind of system you're setting up |
| 21:58.49 | jelly | newbie124: that's usually caused by alternative dependencies, not necessarily the ones in Recommends or Suggests headers. |
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| 21:59.22 | jelly | one package may Depends: foo | bar, the other Depends: bar | foo |
| 21:59.27 | newbie124 | jelly, and how to stop alternative? |
| 21:59.45 | jelly | that doesn't make sense |
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| 22:00.51 | jelly | newbie124: what is your actual goal, ie. why do you care the results are different? |
| 22:01.19 | jelly | s/ie./or/ |
| 22:01.44 | newbie124 | because i need to install a very minimal system |
| 22:01.54 | newbie124 | and i don't want unuseful things around |
| 22:02.17 | jelly | how much disk space do you have for the OS |
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| 22:05.34 | newbie124 | jelly, 4 gb |
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| 22:05.51 | newbie124 | but the base thing is that i do not want cust things |
| 22:06.17 | jelly | cust? |
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| 22:12.11 | newbie124 | jelly: unuseful things |
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| 22:13.13 | annadane | "crust"? |
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| 22:15.20 | jelly | cruft |
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| 22:16.24 | annadane | oh, cruft, that's the term |
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| 22:17.46 | jelly | newbie124: you probably want one level of Recommends at least for the stuff you care about (probably lxde-core); you can try to do without it when installing the rest, but you're probably going to have to manually install the bits that you actually need. |
| 22:18.14 | jelly | sadly I don't know how to tell apt "only follow Recommends to depth 1" |
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| 22:18.58 | jelly | so personally I leave them enabled, my time wasted is not worth the disk space saved |
| 22:20.04 | sypher | One questions what we're defining as "unuseful," here. |
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| 22:23.21 | BoBeR182 | hello, where do user created systemd.service files go? |
| 22:23.42 | sypher | /etc/systemd/system I think. |
| 22:24.59 | pierrot | Hi, do you know if there is any tool to input Unicode characters by code point? |
| 22:25.17 | BoBeR182 | better question maybe, I have a service file |
| 22:25.17 | pierrot | I'd like something like gnome-terminal's ctrl+shift+u |
| 22:25.22 | BoBeR182 | I don't know where I put it |
| 22:25.24 | BoBeR182 | but I want to remove it |
| 22:25.27 | BoBeR182 | how do I find out |
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| 22:27.13 | sypher | Find? |
| 22:27.31 | BoBeR182 | yes, I have a .service file I want to remove |
| 22:27.46 | sypher | Let me clarify: the find command exists to find files. |
| 22:28.11 | BoBeR182 | root@mail:/# systemctl disable onioncat.service |
| 22:28.11 | BoBeR182 | onioncat.service is not a native service, redirecting to systemd-sysv-install. |
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| 22:28.34 | sypher | Use find to find the .service file. |
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| 22:29.02 | BoBeR182 | ah that would make sense thank you |
| 22:30.12 | newbie124 | why 182? |
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| 22:31.16 | jelly | BoBeR182: that output should be a hint you have a sysv init script in place and not an actual .service unit file |
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| 22:31.37 | BoBeR182 | newbie124, why 124 |
| 22:31.47 | jelly | BoBeR182: so probably /etc/init.d/onioncat |
| 22:31.58 | newbie124 | BoBeR182, /dev/random |
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| 22:35.57 | Photon | What's the easiest way for me to perform a backup of my server? Rsync? |
| 22:37.31 | jelly | Photon: sure, pick a wrapper for rsync and go with that. rsnapshot, dirvish, there are dozens |
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| 22:38.06 | __[0_0]__ | one that stands out more than others? ;) |
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| 22:38.19 | __[0_0]__ | rsnapshot/dirvish seem like two lol |
| 22:38.39 | jelly | you don't expect me to remember ten other names |
| 22:38.56 | Photon | I just need a one time manual backup solution |
| 22:39.14 | phogg | if you could also evaluate them and rank them from best to worst for my purposes that would be great. I'll give you 90 seconds |
| 22:39.17 | jelly | phogg: backup to where? |
| 22:39.23 | jelly | Photon: ^ |
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| 22:40.10 | Photon | A file, zip, whatever. I can just copy it to another server manually if the software doesn't support that functionality |
| 22:40.55 | Brigo | Photon, rsync support that. |
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| 22:41.08 | Photon | Alright |
| 22:41.14 | jelly | Photon: rsync clones directory structure; to preserve permissions and ownerships you need a unix-style filesystem on the destination. |
| 22:41.16 | Brigo | Photon, you can go just with rsync. Check google for some examples. |
| 22:42.00 | jelly | rsync is just a better cp |
| 22:42.07 | Brigo | or you can pack the backup into a tar archive, i think. |
| 22:42.12 | Photon | The destination is another debian server, but with 3.14 kernel instead of 4.9 if that matters |
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| 22:42.35 | Photon | Err debian version |
| 22:42.35 | Brigo | Photon, no, it dosen't, just the filesystem. |
| 22:42.51 | Photon | Does uname give the kernel version or distro version? |
| 22:42.53 | jelly | Brigo: maybe you can. I never remember all the right options to make tar do numeric IDs, sparse files, hardlinks, acls, xattrs |
| 22:43.16 | jelly | !debian suite |
| 22:43.16 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
| 22:43.26 | Brigo | jelly, i said, you can, not i know how to do it :-D |
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| 22:45.15 | Obi-Wan | Photon: you can also use /etc/os-release |
| 22:45.36 | Obi-Wan | it's available at least at Debian 9, CentOS7/RHEL7 and OpenSUSE 42.x |
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| 22:45.44 | Photon | Thanks |
| 22:45.47 | Brigo | i am off, bye :) |
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| 22:48.37 | somiaj | Photon: uname sometimes contains info about the distro the kernel was made for. Though 3.14 is an odd kernel, I don't think any debian ever released with tha tkernel. |
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| 22:49.23 | sypher | Correct. |
| 22:49.55 | sypher | Ubuntu 14.04 LTS did, though. |
| 22:50.15 | newbie124 | is there some way to install some older version of sfdisk? |
| 22:50.24 | Photon | It's an OVH kernel |
| 22:50.43 | sypher | Oh hell. OVH again. |
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| 22:50.57 | Photon | Why do people hate ovh? |
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| 22:52.01 | sypher | I actually gave them a try. The experience was SO bad and the infrastructure SO shoddy that I eventually had to involve a lawyer to recover the money. |
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| 22:52.40 | Obi-Wan | I can't tell for enterprise usage, for personal usage their VPS are fine |
| 22:52.54 | sypher | They refused to acknowledge any of the issues in the infrastructure, and refused to issue a refund on the grounds that they NEVER delivered a functional product to spec. |
| 22:53.45 | Photon | holy shit |
| 22:53.51 | sypher | If I can't trust a company to deliver dedicated servers that function with less than 40% packetloss, I'm not going to trust their VPS offerings. |
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| 22:55.05 | sypher | When I sent them massive amounts of diagnostics and documentation to show them not only what the issue was but where it was in their infrastructure, their response was, "If you're unable to manage the system, you should hire a system administrator." I'm not kidding. |
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| 22:55.19 | sypher | Anyway, that's why I hate OVH. |
| 22:55.20 | somiaj | Although maybe vagully related, hosting companies aren't fully on topic here. And yes, it gets harder to use the kernel to identify things on a vps where they are using the hosts kernel and not the guests kernel. |
| 22:55.35 | sypher | somiaj: True, my apologies. |
| 22:56.23 | somiaj | ,v lsb-release |
| 22:56.25 | judd | Package: lsb-release on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1+Debian8+deb7u1; jessie: 4.1+Debian13+nmu1; stretch: 9.20161125; buster: 9.20170808; sid: 9.20170808 |
| 22:56.30 | Photon | What steps should I take to remove the /home partition and have everything on the root partition on a fresh debian install? |
| 22:56.34 | Obi-Wan | yes, my apologies for following the offtopic O:-) |
| 22:56.51 | somiaj | another tool to help determine distro version, though I don't think lsb is as standard and used as much as it tried to be. |
| 22:57.29 | somiaj | Photon: what do you mean by remove it? Also if you want a fresh install, why not just do a fresh install? |
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| 22:59.35 | Photon | Well first it'll be a fresh install through OVH, and I'm not gonna install a generic system and risk getting cut off from support or whatever. |
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| 22:59.59 | Photon | And second, I don't want a /home partition, I want all that space under /root |
| 23:00.18 | somiaj | Photon: /root or / |
| 23:00.40 | Photon | Sorry / |
| 23:01.56 | Obi-Wan | being OVH, I'd say: start on rescue mode, mount your two partitions (if are not automatically mounted) |
| 23:02.15 | somiaj | Photon: Can you request an install that only uses a single partition. Unsure how easy it will be on a VPS to take the space from /home and add it to /, you will need to resize both partitions and file systems to do this. If using lvm it might be possible within the guest. If they partitions are created by the host, you may not have the ability to do this. |
| 23:02.24 | Obi-Wan | then at / partition, create /home (shouldn't be present as it is at the other partition) |
| 23:02.37 | Obi-Wan | adjust permissions, and then move all the content from the home partition to this home folder at / |
| 23:02.45 | Photon | It's a dedicated btw |
| 23:03.11 | Obi-Wan | finally adjust fstab, reboot... |
| 23:03.21 | Obi-Wan | and then decided how to handle your old /home partition |
| 23:03.25 | Photon | I can boot to rescue and do it from there if that would be easier. |
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| 23:03.48 | Obi-Wan | I think that's the best way to do it, because you will be sure that nothing is being used at /home |
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| 23:07.02 | Photon | Thank you |
| 23:08.00 | Obi-Wan | of course, when you mount /home in rescue node... use another mount point |
| 23:08.14 | Obi-Wan | that way it will be really easy to do all the procedure |
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| 23:35.20 | TrapMaid | is there some way for debian to remember how i want my displays configured? |
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| 23:37.53 | nvz | TrapMaid: youll probably need to be more specific. generrally speaking you can add display sections to new files in /etc/X11/Xorg.conf.d// |
| 23:38.41 | nvz | in other news, what do you make of this error? "ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted" its got me pretty baffled |
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| 23:39.08 | TrapMaid | basically i don't want it ever to set my resolution to 1080p because my tv's overscan which i can't figure out how to turn off cuts off to much at that resolution but renders 900p perfectly. |
| 23:43.16 | nvz | well I do something similar on here, my screen is 1080p and I use a kernel param to set framebuffer to 720p |
| 23:43.35 | nvz | but my system is all fb only, so X obeys the fb setting as well as console |
| 23:43.38 | ScottE | nvz: on a full system, or running in some sort of container? If the latter, I'd guess lack of CAP_NET_RAW |
| 23:43.46 | TrapMaid | fb? |
| 23:44.25 | nvz | ScottE: its a normal system and I'm using irssi via ssh on another machine, so I'm obviously online :P |
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| 23:45.02 | nvz | TrapMaid: framebuffer. I'm on hardware with only a reverse engineered framebuffer hack for a display driver.. most people have the option to use FB or not, I don't. |
| 23:45.06 | ScottE | nvz: Odd then! |
| 23:45.54 | nvz | ScottE: yeah no kidding, it baffled the crap outta me.. I had some wgets running and they were idle, so I checked a ping to google and got that error then did an ifup/down and the wgets are fine again but still got that ping error. |
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| 23:47.19 | ScottE | irssi probably doesn't use raw sockets anyway, but odd that you'd see it on a normal system. The only place I've seen it is in a container without that capability. Oh well! :-/ |
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| 23:48.07 | nvz | TrapMaid: basically the reason I say you need to be more specific is there are a vast number of places in a linux system you can set this.. the lowest level is the kernel framebuffer, however this only helps if you use framebuffer for everything. other settings are specific to various contexts and vary depending on DE used, Video card, etc.. |
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| 23:48.50 | nvz | TrapMaid: your question should be for example, How do I set my Debian 9 system running Mate Desktop on Intel Gen 3 HD graphics to 900p? |
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| 23:49.16 | nvz | including the context of software and hardware |
| 23:50.00 | TrapMaid | nvz, all i know is i did a net install then used apt to get xfce4 and then used apt to get compiz. :P |
| 23:50.21 | TrapMaid | um...graphics are radeon. dunno about generation. |
| 23:50.51 | nvz | TrapMaid: ok, well that covers one part of it.. you use xfce, are you just using whatever drivers were auto installed or did you do some additional driver config? |
| 23:50.52 | TrapMaid | it's a sapphire is all i cann ever remember. :P |
| 23:51.15 | TrapMaid | nvz, the os told me to install the firmware from non-free and i did that. |
| 23:51.34 | nvz | TrapMaid: ok, so you're likely using the free radeon driver then |
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| 23:52.00 | TrapMaid | huh? if it's free why is it on non-free? ohh because it's not open source? |
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| 23:53.14 | nvz | TrapMaid: well the firmware may have been for something else.. but either way firmware is only part of a driver |
| 23:53.24 | nvz | most common use of firmware is for wireless cards |
| 23:53.33 | TrapMaid | ahh |
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| 23:53.59 | nvz | firmware is the part of a driver that is loaded onto the device at runtime.. |
| 23:54.00 | TrapMaid | huh i had to install firmware for my 10/100/1000 wired built in nic and for my radeon card. |
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| 23:54.59 | nvz | I was basically just trying to figure out if you were using any 3rd party config tools like the ones ATI or NVIDIA ship with their proprietary drivers |
| 23:55.20 | Storgance | Hello. I have solved my personal case, but the Debian wiki page on MySQL (https://wiki.debian.org/MySql) seems to be incorrect and missing details. How can I help fix this? |
| 23:55.26 | nvz | my best advice if you wanna hard code this, is what I said initially, you want to open an editor and create a new xorg.conf.d file |
| 23:55.26 | TrapMaid | wouldn't mind using prop drivers for ati since they are what i'm used to but figured they don't make any for lin. |
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| 23:56.10 | nvz | TrapMaid: no, both nvidia and ati do make proprietary drivers for linux and in fact Debian usually has packaged versions of them available so they better integrate with the package system |
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| 23:57.01 | TrapMaid | ahh. gotta figure out how to install it. don't remember what ati's suite is called atm though. |
| 23:57.11 | TrapMaid | ahh right catalyst |
| 23:57.20 | nvz | firegl / catalyst |
| 23:57.28 | nvz | ,info fglrx |
| 23:57.30 | judd | No package named 'fglrx' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 23:57.35 | nvz | !fglrx |
| 23:57.35 | dpkg | fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD Radeon R9 200 series, Radeon R7 200 series, Radeon HD 8000/7000/6000/5000 and FirePro graphic processing units. To install fglrx, see https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary or ask me about <fglrx dkms>. This driver is incompatible with the GNOME desktop of Debian 8 "Jessie" due to lack of EGL support (ref. §5.11 <jessie release notes>), use the <radeon> driver instead. |
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| 23:58.08 | nvz | hmm my knowledge on this may be dated.. heh |
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