| 00:00.18 | foul_owl | How do I create /dev/shm during the install process? Ansible needs it in order to run... |
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| 00:05.53 | abrotman | foul_owl: can you show us 'df -h' ? |
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| 00:13.46 | foul_owl | When the installer is running or when the new system has booted for the first time? |
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| 00:14.28 | foul_owl | /dev/shm shows up fine in df -h after the new system has booted |
| 00:14.48 | petn-randall | foul_owl: Which is when you run ansible, right? |
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| 00:17.15 | petn-randall | foul_owl: Or are you trying to run ansible on the system during installation? |
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| 00:29.46 | foul_owl | I am trying to run ansible as a late-command during installation |
| 00:29.55 | foul_owl | The goal is an install with zero user input |
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| 00:31.49 | foul_owl | I have a script that generates the preseed files that run different ansible playbooks depending on what I am generating the ISO for....so it's not just about the inconvience of logging in, but keeping track of exactly which playbooks to execute on which machine....automation good, manual commands, very bad lol |
| 00:32.39 | aloo_shu | would anybody know what is going on low level between a 'smart battery' and linux? I would like to have access to the raw info sent/received by the battery, according to the smart battery specification http://smartbattery.org/specs/ if that is possible |
| 00:34.11 | orlock | aloo_shu: it's probably in the /proc/ filesystem somewhere |
| 00:35.03 | orlock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:35.46 | petn-randall | foul_owl: I think you're overengineering it a bit. I'd just run ansible after the (minimal) system rebooted and sshd is running. Unless I'm missing something. |
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| 00:38.25 | orlock | petn-randall: You were talking when i went to sleep 9 hours ago, and here you are still going! :) |
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| 00:39.05 | orlock | petn-randall: Did thay guy with his CF card image creation CHS problems ever get sorted out, or did he have a break from reality or something? |
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| 00:40.27 | petn-randall | orlock: No idea, they were creating a Rube Goldberg machine to format this CF card in the most complicated way possible. They installed Debian 6 and tried it with that before I lost interest. |
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| 00:40.57 | orlock | petn-randall: Oh my god, they actually took that path? Goddamn. |
| 00:41.18 | orlock | files that one under "break from reality" |
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| 00:41.49 | random_numbers | So, why isn't phpbb in stretch? |
| 00:42.41 | bazhang | which version |
| 00:42.50 | sypher | ,v phpbb |
| 00:42.51 | judd | No package named 'phpbb' was found in amd64. |
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| 00:44.47 | coruja | random_numbers, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=816655 |
| 00:44.49 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/816655 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: phpbb3 -- ROM; PHP 7.0 Transition»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-03-03; last modified: 2016-05-30. |
| 00:45.08 | petn-randall | judd: why was phpbb removed |
| 00:45.10 | judd | No package named 'was' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 00:45.17 | petn-randall | judd: why phpbb |
| 00:45.18 | judd | (why <package1> <package2> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>] [--norecommends]) -- Find dependency chains between the two packages within the specified release and architecture. By default, recommended packages are checked too and the current stable release and amd64 are used. |
| 00:45.32 | petn-randall | judd: why is phpbb not in testing |
| 00:45.34 | judd | No package named 'is' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 00:45.55 | petn-randall | Damnit, can't remember the factoid. |
| 00:46.58 | petn-randall | dpkg: why is phpbb not in testing |
| 00:46.58 | dpkg | phpbb is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=phpbb |
| 00:47.12 | petn-randall | random_numbers: See above. ^^^ |
| 00:47.32 | random_numbers | No excuse and php7 transition, respectively. |
| 00:47.34 | petn-randall | (Ah, so i was triggering the wrong bot all along, haha) |
| 00:48.01 | petn-randall | dpkg: why is phpbb3 not in testing |
| 00:48.01 | dpkg | phpbb3 is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=phpbb3 |
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| 00:48.58 | petn-randall | random_numbers: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=816655 |
| 00:49.13 | petn-randall | TL;DR: nobody stepped up to package a newer version and maintain it. |
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| 00:49.50 | random_numbers | petn-randall: That's kind of a shame. |
| 00:50.07 | coruja | petn-randall, i posted that 5 mins ago ;) |
| 00:50.43 | petn-randall | coruja: Damnit, I really missed that one, sorry. Time for me to got to bed :) |
| 00:50.48 | petn-randall | s/got/go/ |
| 00:50.54 | random_numbers | Well. There goes my idea of automated deployment, I guess I'm back to special-snowflake. |
| 00:51.03 | foul_owl | Hmm, the issue is that I have to run multiple playbooks, which means typing out long ansible commands by hand |
| 00:51.27 | foul_owl | I would also have to put a KVM on each system, which I don't have time to do |
| 00:51.43 | foul_owl | There is seriosuly no way to run ansible playbooks during the install? |
| 00:52.04 | foul_owl | I suppose I could dump a command into rc.local, and then have ansible remove that command....seems extremely hacky though |
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| 00:54.11 | coruja | random_numbers, maybe you want to give downloading phpbb from their site and deploying it yourself a try (as it's mainly a bunch of php files) |
| 00:54.55 | random_numbers | coruja: Yeah. I'm going to have resign myself to do so. I'd been hoping to make an easy Salt script for it. |
| 01:00.07 | Guest16159 | Running ping from my server fails, and when iptables tries to resolve a host it gives up, and I was having trouble downloading packages with apt-get. This started after changing my firewall settings. How can I debug? |
| 01:01.07 | petn-randall | Photon: Revert it to a known-good state and take small steps from there? |
| 01:01.19 | Photon | Unfortunately that isn't possible. |
| 01:02.37 | Photon | It's a port problem |
| 01:02.43 | Photon | What port do I need open? |
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| 01:05.07 | petn-randall | Photon: So you don't have backups from the working state? |
| 01:05.35 | petn-randall | Eh |
| 01:05.39 | petn-randall | goes to bed. |
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| 01:07.18 | Photon | Nope |
| 01:07.22 | Photon | Sorry |
| 01:07.35 | Photon | I just need the input port |
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| 01:09.37 | bazhang | Photon, port for what |
| 01:10.00 | Photon | The input that the server needs for things like pinging another server, downloading things from the internet, etc. |
| 01:10.17 | Photon | It stops working when I set the input policy to drop, so I know it's an input port problem |
| 01:10.59 | bazhang | Photon, on your router? |
| 01:11.03 | Photon | Server |
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| 01:11.15 | Photon | I'm configuring a server firewall |
| 01:11.53 | bazhang | ##windows-server than Photon |
| 01:12.08 | Photon | ._. |
| 01:12.23 | Photon | It's a debian problem. This is a generic firewall question |
| 01:12.32 | Photon | s/problem/server |
| 01:12.39 | coruja | Photon, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers#Well-known_ports look for services you need and its ports |
| 01:12.48 | bazhang | Photon, whats the problem, ist this a windows server, or a lamp stack |
| 01:12.59 | Photon | Neither. |
| 01:13.13 | Photon | Outgoing requests from the server don't work when I block input ports. |
| 01:13.23 | bazhang | Photon, so which 'server' |
| 01:13.26 | foul_owl | How do I create /dev/shm during the install process? Ansible needs it in order to run. I am running ansible playbooks that have been baked into the iso. |
| 01:14.00 | Photon | bazhang: what do you mean? |
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| 01:14.15 | bazhang | Photon, you keep saying server |
| 01:15.08 | sypher | Photon: None of this is making sense. You're using terms that just don't fit the context. Rewind and explain the current situation. |
| 01:15.11 | Photon | This is a debian server I am setting up the iptable firewall on. When I try pinging google, downloading from apt, or other common things it fails. When I change the input policy from drop to allow everything works fine. I need to find which port I need open for it to work with the policy set to drop on all other input ports. |
| 01:15.18 | bazhang | Photon, do you really mean iptables |
| 01:15.22 | Photon | Yes |
| 01:15.40 | bazhang | #netfilter Photon |
| 01:15.51 | Photon | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 01:16.03 | sypher | Photon: Pastebin the output of iptables -S. And if you whine about it containing sensitive data, I quit. |
| 01:16.15 | Photon | Wow, alright. |
| 01:16.17 | bazhang | thats the iptables channel Photon |
| 01:16.56 | sypher | Photon: If you can only imagine what people think is "sensitive data." I dealt with someone that thought their list of installed packages was sensitive. |
| 01:17.08 | Photon | https://hastebin.com/vumamezoqe.sql |
| 01:17.25 | bazhang | sql? |
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| 01:17.37 | Photon | I mean for all I know that ip to the proxy server might show which dc I'm on but whatever |
| 01:17.46 | Photon | Hastebin is stupid. |
| 01:17.50 | sypher | Oh christ. OVH. |
| 01:17.53 | Photon | Yuup |
| 01:17.55 | sypher | No wonder things aren't working. |
| 01:17.58 | Photon | Lol |
| 01:18.37 | sypher | Okay, so, your problem is that you're not doing state tracking. Unless you tell iptables to monitor state for outbound connections, the return traffic will get blocked. |
| 01:18.48 | Photon | Ah |
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| 01:19.20 | sypher | That's one problem, anyway. Did you add rule 1 in the INPUT chain to deal with this issue? |
| 01:19.49 | Photon | No, rule 1 is loopback |
| 01:20.32 | sypher | o.O |
| 01:20.43 | sypher | Can you also pastebin 'iptables -L' for me |
| 01:20.57 | sypher | My response is because there's nothing in that rule that specifically says loopback. |
| 01:21.05 | sypher | It just says accept anything from anywhere. |
| 01:21.06 | Photon | That was -L |
| 01:21.09 | Photon | I'll send -S |
| 01:21.16 | sypher | Oh, right. |
| 01:21.26 | sypher | Too much whisky. Or not enough. |
| 01:21.36 | Photon | Heey it's working, thanks so much! And I'll hastebin it anyways |
| 01:21.42 | Photon | Not enough xD |
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| 01:22.10 | Photon | https://hastebin.com/xidasiwili.sql |
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| 01:23.03 | Photon | Now how would I clock every other icmp request? iptables -A INPUT -p icmp -j DROP # ? |
| 01:23.09 | Photon | block* |
| 01:24.56 | sypher | Photon: Consider ufw for your uses. Also, is this system intended to be a router? |
| 01:25.05 | Photon | No, no. |
| 01:25.11 | Photon | Why use ufw? |
| 01:25.26 | Photon | Because it's simpler and easier to learn? |
| 01:25.43 | sypher | It's a rather clean interface for iptables, and includes a lot of flood and attack prevention that's way too tedious to write manually. |
| 01:26.09 | sypher | And if you're not doing routing, FORWARD shouldn't have a policy of ACCEPT. |
| 01:26.12 | Photon | I've also heard others say that it's a horrible iptables wrapper. |
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| 01:26.52 | sypher | I, too, can say things on the internet. Except I might actually know what I'm talking about. |
| 01:27.12 | Photon | fail2ban will be my attack prevention, and OVH's ddos protection will be my flood prevention |
| 01:27.24 | Photon | ... |
| 01:27.28 | sypher | Heh. Okay. Good luck. |
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| 01:28.04 | sypher | Neither fail2ban nor OVH's horribad DDoS protection will deal with SYN floods. |
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| 01:28.19 | Photon | And ufw does this? |
| 01:28.20 | sypher | Among many other scenarios. |
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| 01:30.06 | sypher | ufw can. So can many other implementations. I find that adding, oh, five lines or so to a UFW config is the easiest way. |
| 01:30.54 | sypher | YMMV and all that. |
| 01:31.30 | Photon | Hm |
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| 01:32.12 | Photon | What software do most companies use? I'm doing this as much to learn common systems as I am to protect the server |
| 01:32.28 | Photon | Stupid question, I know. |
| 01:32.33 | Photon | "Learn them both" |
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| 01:33.49 | sypher | Most companies use dedicated appliances. Cisco ASAs are everywhere. Palo Alto firewalls are pretty popular these days, too. |
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| 01:35.42 | Photon | Why is a hardware device better? Is this how the big providers like OVH work? Why/why not? |
| 01:36.02 | sypher | We're venturing pretty off topic, but I'd be happy to continue in #debian-offtopic. |
| 01:36.19 | orlock | Photon: ASA's are linux boxes in disguise, by the way |
| 01:36.25 | Photon | If you're willing to continue, sure |
| 01:36.43 | orlock | Photon: but for big corp's, it's all about finger pointing, and nobody wants to point the finger at Debian's QA team when shit goes bad |
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| 01:39.20 | Photon | Linux boxes in disguise? And so they get hardware to blame them??? |
| 01:40.17 | orlock | Photon: Yeah, basically |
| 01:40.43 | orlock | I mean, thats putting it very bluntly, but essentially thats what it comes down to, plus some other minor details. |
| 01:40.59 | orlock | Theres orders of magnitide more Cisco certified people looking for work than Debian certified people |
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| 02:48.08 | dfcnvt | how do you show a list of installed-by-user through apt-get? |
| 02:49.09 | somiaj | dfcnvt: what do you mean by installed by user? You mean manual installed, in this case you can use aptitude to search for only manual or auto installed packages. |
| 02:49.15 | somiaj | but I don't think apt-get has that capability. |
| 02:49.16 | dfcnvt | And....how do you...err export those list into a file for later use. In case I want to install all at once in the new distro system. |
| 02:49.27 | somiaj | just use this factoid |
| 02:49.29 | somiaj | !aptitude clone |
| 02:49.29 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 02:49.46 | somiaj | that will keep track of auto/vs manual install on the new system, but be a complete list of every package, not just manual installed packages. |
| 02:50.56 | dfcnvt | Hm, thanks. |
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| 02:53.03 | dfcnvt | This will do: # aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list |
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| 02:55.32 | dfcnvt | Now, on a separate machine I have to do this line: # xargs aptitude --schedule-only install package_list |
| 02:55.50 | dfcnvt | Can it be done without '--schedule-only'? |
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| 03:07.13 | dfcnvt | Just created myself neato script. https://paste.ofcode.org/5WrbvMyaWm5fXVpxBBK9ug |
| 03:07.25 | oliver1 | hello |
| 03:07.29 | oliver1 | alguien habla español por aki |
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| 03:09.11 | dfcnvt | Que Pasa |
| 03:09.27 | dfcnvt | Tu es espanol, nada |
| 03:09.30 | dfcnvt | : |
| 03:09.32 | annadane | !es |
| 03:09.32 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
| 03:09.33 | dfcnvt | :p |
| 03:09.35 | oliver1 | dime |
| 03:09.35 | annadane | ^^ |
| 03:09.36 | oliver1 | ke paso |
| 03:09.44 | oliver1 | kdodne encuentor una sala es español por aki |
| 03:09.55 | annadane | this is an english chat, guys |
| 03:09.58 | annadane | #debian-es |
| 03:10.06 | dfcnvt | lol |
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| 03:10.18 | dfcnvt | I know nothing in spanish. |
| 03:10.39 | kline | dfcnvt, does that include literally every package installed? |
| 03:10.46 | dfcnvt | Oh |
| 03:10.47 | dfcnvt | Uhh |
| 03:10.48 | oliver1 | ñooo |
| 03:10.57 | oliver1 | spanish is easy |
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| 03:11.36 | kline | dfcnvt, basically: challenge: dont simply list every package installed, list only the "top level" packages that have been explicitly installed. you shouldnt be listing packages included only as dependencies of other top level packages |
| 03:12.10 | kline | ie, if i install P1 (which depends on D1 and D2), and P2 (which depends on D2 and D3), it should only list P1 and P2 |
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| 03:12.29 | kline | when they install, they will automatically drag in D1, 2, and 3 with them, unless the dependencies have been updated since |
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| 03:12.38 | dfcnvt | kline: I would like that -- just only what I've installed (explicit as you said)...But what command line or arg should I be editing to? |
| 03:12.50 | kline | well, thats the challenge, isnt it? |
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| 03:12.57 | dfcnvt | :( |
| 03:13.39 | dfcnvt | I think if I use ALL of it then I don't think it would be a problem? Since on a separate new debian system...if it already have it then it won't bother install it and it would skip through. |
| 03:13.43 | kline | but as it stands now, if, say, P1 eliminates its dependency on D1 in the next version, D1 will remain installed as the package manager thinks you explicitly want it, even though it was only ever included as a dependency |
| 03:13.57 | kline | which is very space inefficient |
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| 03:14.46 | kline | well, it may be an issue if there are future changes to dependencies or things end up getting held back because of these arbitrary packages included but not explicitly desired |
| 03:15.35 | kline | D1 might be replaced by D1', which is a fork but provides the same tool binaries (think about what might happen if you have ffmpeg and libav installed) |
| 03:16.09 | dfcnvt | I don't have OCD to tune in and downright skin it. |
| 03:16.19 | dfcnvt | I'm very lazy and thinks this is just enough solution. |
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| 03:16.41 | tw | comm -23 <(apt-mark showmanual | sort ) <(aptitude search \~pstandard \~prequired \~pimportant -F%p | sort) |
| 03:16.45 | tw | probably get you pretty close. |
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| 03:18.32 | tw | For listing manually installed packages only. |
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| 03:19.22 | pingfloyd | apt-mark showmanual |
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| 03:19.53 | dfcnvt | revised: https://paste.ofcode.org/dRAymSKWRrU5c5BRhPr9NY |
| 03:20.07 | dfcnvt | hm... |
| 03:20.35 | dfcnvt | I guess I'll go with apt-mark showmanual |
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| 03:22.29 | dfcnvt | revised: https://paste.ofcode.org/38FEFnfSPReGCd3t8BPLWQW |
| 03:22.35 | tw | I just use the comm/aptitude thing to remove default packages (eg apt, bash, so forth), but it probably won't hurt to install them. |
| 03:22.37 | dfcnvt | I'll comment/uncomment at the later time |
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| 04:00.11 | makeway | Hey, I'm wondering how I use my xorg.conf when it's not there... Is there a way to set up one? |
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| 04:02.35 | annadane | makeway, depends on what you're trying to do |
| 04:02.42 | annadane | IIRC if it's not there you don't necessarily need it |
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| 04:03.45 | makeway | I know I don't need it but I'm trying to configure it... |
| 04:03.53 | makeway | I need to feed a nvidia settings line to it |
| 04:04.06 | makeway | It was there before if I remember correctly... |
| 04:04.09 | makeway | It's just not there now.. |
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| 04:05.33 | annadane | makeway, it might help if you actually describe what you want to accomplish |
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| 04:06.15 | makeway | I want to add a line to it. Because when I run the line, it fixes something and I want the fix to be run every time I start up my system |
| 04:06.39 | makeway | It should be put in xorg.conf because it's configuring the x system. |
| 04:06.41 | makeway | I guess |
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| 04:12.11 | annadane | makeway, https://wiki.debian.org/Xorg#What_if_I_do_not_have_an_xorg_config_file.3F |
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| 04:12.21 | annadane | sorry. i probably should've linked that firsy |
| 04:12.24 | annadane | s/firsy/first |
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| 06:05.15 | Agiofws | hi |
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| 07:15.34 | jelly | !qotd0 |
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| 08:10.59 | Mattx | Hi all! I'm getting this error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgomp.so.1: version `GOMP_4.0' not found |
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| 08:11.12 | Mattx | But I'm not sure what package that is. I do have libgomp1 installed |
| 08:11.32 | Mattx | in fact /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgomp.so.1 exists |
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| 08:12.45 | petn-randall | Mattx: What OS release is this, and when do you get this error? |
| 08:13.21 | Mattx | it's debian stable, am getting this error while executing a application |
| 08:13.32 | Mattx | I'm * |
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| 08:14.08 | Mattx | let me paste the output, one sec |
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| 08:14.56 | Mattx | Caused by: java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /home/myuser/.javacpp/cache/nd4j-cuda-8.0-0.9.1-linux-x86_64.jar/org/nd4j/nativeblas/linux-x86_64/libjnind4jcuda.so: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgomp.so.1: version `GOMP_4.0' not found (required by /home/myuser/.javacpp/cache/nd4j-cuda-8.0-0.9.1-linux-x86_64.jar/org/nd4j/nativeblas/linux-x86_64/libnd4jcuda.so) |
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| 08:15.32 | jelly | Mattx: that means libjnind4jcuda.so wasn't built for your OS |
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| 08:16.26 | jelly | which, in turn, means nd4j-cuda-8.0-0.9.1-linux-x86_64.jar wasn't built for your OS |
| 08:16.35 | jelly | where did you get it |
| 08:16.39 | mum0l | Hi guys, 2days ago, I move away my domain from my DNS server to some hosting company. The issue which I face now, is that I can't ping this domain.. (domain was already removed from DNS on local server). I can ping domain from any place on the world, but not from the server where it was located previously.. weird.. |
| 08:17.42 | jelly | mum0l: what does "getent hosts your.domain.name" say on the affected machine? |
| 08:18.06 | jelly | mum0l: which debian release is it? |
| 08:18.11 | mum0l | jelly: -no, its empty.. |
| 08:18.23 | mum0l | debian 7.11 |
| 08:18.42 | mum0l | empty - I mean, no results from this command. |
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| 08:19.26 | jelly | mum0l: caching nameservers configured in /etc/resolv.conf on that machine may be misbehaving |
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| 08:20.17 | kevoroid | hello, i need help please. I use awesome window manager on my debian. I wanna set system wide proxy so other apps like thunderbird and chrome can go thro it. i used gsettings and set everything but still it doesnt work |
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| 08:20.28 | kevoroid | do i need to set/enable something else? |
| 08:20.36 | jelly | mum0l: pastebin "cat /etc/resolv.conf" and output of "dig your.domain.name"; if dig command is not present, install dnsutils package to get it |
| 08:20.39 | jelly | !paste |
| 08:20.39 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 08:22.21 | mum0l | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/986901/ |
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| 08:23.17 | mum0l | be aware, that I already remove the DNS configuraiton and postfix configuraiton for this domain, as it was previously hosted on this machine. Now its put someware else outside in hosting company. |
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| 08:25.26 | Cyclohexane | how can i fix reported length of central directory is 434 bytes too long (Atari STZip zipfile? J.H.Holm ZIPSPLIT 1.1 zipfile? when using unzip? |
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| 08:31.28 | J-BBB_ | anyone know when will be release new packages for apache? |
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| 08:36.21 | kevoroid | anyone? |
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| 08:36.34 | kevoroid | I use awesome window manager on my debian. I wanna set system wide proxy so other apps like thunderbird and chrome can go thro it. i used gsettings and set everything but still it doesnt work |
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| 08:42.14 | Trap-Chan | hey can linux mount ntfs and fat(32) without issue these days? |
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| 08:44.25 | xand | Trap-Chan: yes |
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| 08:46.55 | Trap-Chan | k i may just install it to my 55 drive then. do i need to do anything special to get win10 into grub2? |
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| 08:49.07 | jelly | mum0l: looks like your configured nameserver 91.206.178.13 isn't responding when asked for "dajuk.net" |
| 08:49.28 | rudi_s | Trap-Chan: No. os-prober should be installed by default and it will detect windows. update-grub will then add the necessary boot entry. |
| 08:49.57 | Trap-Chan | ahh cool. and everything i need for that will be included on the netinstall dvd? |
| 08:50.01 | Trap-Chan | cd* |
| 08:50.22 | jelly | mum0l: /etc/resolv.conf takes a recursing nameserver. If 91.206.178.13 is under your control, make sure recursing is enabled and your client is allowed to use it |
| 08:50.53 | jelly | mum0l: best practice is to have separate recursor dns servers and authoritative dns servers. |
| 08:50.56 | rudi_s | Trap-Chan: If you have network access, yes (that's why it's called _net_install). |
| 08:51.03 | mum0l | jelly: exactly, this happen after I remove it from my DNS. the host which IP you mention, is the host where my domain was configured. Also I can ping any other domain, but not this one |
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| 08:51.18 | petn-randall | J-BBB_: Can you be more specific what you are expecting? |
| 08:51.36 | jelly | mum0l: perhaps you did not remove the zone completely, or did not reload/restart dns server properly |
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| 08:51.55 | Trap-Chan | rudi_s, well i'm chatting to you. Just wanted to be sure since it says it's got the bare minimum of needed packages then from what i understand you just apt everything else. wanted to be sure thre wasn't something i'd need to apt to get dual boot before i loose access to the chatroom. :P |
| 08:51.57 | rudi_s | Trap-Chan: But if you want to do dual boot, it's recommended to resize the windows partition from windows itself and then use the free space in the installer. |
| 08:52.13 | jelly | mum0l: you wouldn't even notice this if you had a dns recursor separate from this one :-) |
| 08:52.20 | rudi_s | Trap-Chan: I meant network access on the machine you install it on ;-) |
| 08:52.32 | Trap-Chan | this is the machine i'll be installing on. :P |
| 08:52.40 | Trap-Chan | resize windows even if it'll be on a separate sata HDD? |
| 08:52.41 | rudi_s | It does. |
| 08:52.45 | mum0l | jelly: I did it.. remove all files from /var/cache/bind/*domain* remove all keys /etc/bind/keys/* and remove all entries in named.conf, than run a reload |
| 08:52.51 | J-BBB_ | petn-randall, here for ubuntu -> https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3425-1/ |
| 08:52.58 | rudi_s | Trap-Chan: No, then of course not. |
| 08:53.08 | Trap-Chan | ahh k. that confused me for a second. :p |
| 08:53.21 | petn-randall | !tracker of doom |
| 08:53.21 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 08:53.22 | rudi_s | Yeah, sorry. Most people don't have a separate disk to play with. |
| 08:53.40 | petn-randall | J-BBB_: You can look up the CVE on the Debian security tracker. See above. |
| 08:53.53 | Trap-Chan | ok so just gotta backup the contents of that drive. burn the CD and then reboot. I HOPE I don't get stuck somewhere along the way. |
| 08:54.08 | rudi_s | Trap-Chan: You can use an usb-stick as well. |
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| 08:54.34 | Trap-Chan | lolz i have more ready access to CDs than thumbdrives. my thumbdrives keep getting hijacked for school work and such. |
| 08:54.43 | rudi_s | :D |
| 08:54.45 | jelly | mum0l: I do not remember enough about bind to be sure that's good enough, sorry |
| 08:55.05 | rudi_s | Trap-Chan: There's only a very small window where things can really brake (when the grub is installed), otherwise you can just reboot to windows and everything will work. So there shouldn't be much danger here. |
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| 08:55.25 | Trap-Chan | erm. so i have 2 or 3 55 gig drives. is there something i can do now to tell myself later which drive to format for debian? |
| 08:55.55 | J-BBB_ | petn-randall, still not fixed -> https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/apache2 |
| 08:55.58 | mum0l | jelly: sure, anyways thanks a lot for your comments and help! ;) |
| 08:56.13 | rudi_s | Trap-Chan: That's a bit problematic. The installer will show you the partitions, so that might help. |
| 08:56.15 | Trap-Chan | if i get as far as a bootable debian i can just install xfce and hexchat and them pop in to ask how to fix what went wrong in that small window? |
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| 08:56.23 | jelly | mum0l: try service bind9 restart, see if there's any difference, dunno |
| 08:56.37 | rudi_s | Yeah, that should work fine. |
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| 08:56.50 | Trap-Chan | ahh. so if i delete the partition i'll see an unpartitioned drive, yeah? |
| 08:56.53 | mum0l | jelly: yeah I restarted it twice, weird thing |
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| 09:07.52 | shiffa | hi! nice to meet you all.... kernel-rt + bumblebee... any chances? |
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| 09:45.57 | at0m | shiffa: sure, what would RT kernel have to do with or cause problems with bumblebee? |
| 09:46.58 | at0m | shiffa: if you have a specific issue, try being specific |
| 09:47.12 | shiffa | when installing kernel from apt it gives display not found error |
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| 09:47.41 | shiffa | i'm away from laptop right now. i will post details |
| 09:47.48 | shiffa | thank you! :) |
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| 09:53.40 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 09:53.41 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 09:54.13 | petn-randall | shiffa: If you've got access to the machine again, please provide the info from above in a single paste. ^^^ |
| 09:54.59 | at0m | and really, apt does not need any display. |
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| 10:09.40 | dontknow | is stretch backports have latest kernel? is it ready? how can i look? |
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| 10:10.06 | petn-randall | ,kernels |
| 10:10.07 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.13.0-trunk-686 (4.13.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.12.0-2-686 (4.12.13-1); buster: 4.12.0-2-686 (4.12.12-2); stretch-backports: 4.12.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.12.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: |
| 10:10.08 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1) |
| 10:10.24 | petn-randall | dontknow: stretch-backports has 4.12 ^^^ |
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| 10:10.47 | dontknow | petn-randall, thanks |
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| 10:11.37 | dontknow | i have glitches with the current kernel with intel integrated graphics. i wonder if it would solve the issue |
| 10:11.51 | dontknow | what do you think? |
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| 10:13.45 | petn-randall | dontknow: Hard to say without you being specific. |
| 10:14.33 | petn-randall | dontknow: What GPU model do you have, and what glitches are there? |
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| 10:14.56 | dontknow | petn-randall, it causes flickering and distortion in firefox addressbar when it shows history |
| 10:15.19 | dontknow | petn-randall, i think it is hd 630 or something. kabby lake |
| 10:15.56 | dontknow | and i think graphics causes destop freezing i believe |
| 10:16.31 | petn-randall | dontknow: If the desktop freezes, first thing I'd check is the logs in /var/log/. |
| 10:17.02 | petn-randall | dontknow: With such a current CPU/GPU, it might be worth trying, but only because it's low-effort to do so. :) |
| 10:17.42 | dontknow | petn-randall, do you mean installing kernel? |
| 10:18.32 | petn-randall | dontknow: yes |
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| 10:19.05 | dontknow | petn-randall, do you think i should install kernel with "apt-get -t stretch-backports install linux-image-amd64" or specific kernel name? |
| 10:19.44 | dontknow | i don't know how to remove the kernel after that |
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| 10:21.28 | dontknow | whatever. i will install |
| 10:21.47 | petn-randall | dontknow: I *wouldn't* remove the old kernel just yet, since if the new one doesn't boot for some reason, you'd have a broken system. I'd always keep one more kernel as a backup. |
| 10:21.54 | petn-randall | dontknow: That command is the right one, yes. |
| 10:22.19 | dontknow | petn-randall, i mean how to install new kernel after installing |
| 10:22.26 | dontknow | how to remove* |
| 10:23.30 | petn-randall | dontknow: Look which package it installs, then remove that one. But we're not there yet :) |
| 10:25.34 | dontknow | ok installintg |
| 10:26.10 | dontknow | time to reboot |
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| 10:29.15 | dontknow | petn-randall, it solved the firefox issue lol |
| 10:29.17 | dontknow | yay |
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| 10:29.58 | dontknow | but i only see one kernel option at boot. i don't see old kernel |
| 10:30.24 | strk | is there a standard naming for Makefile rules to build debian packages ? Are `make deb` and `make deb-src` good choices ? |
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| 10:32.17 | petn-randall | dontknow: You should be able to select something like "other kernels" in grub to reach the older one. |
| 10:32.53 | dontknow | do you know how? i only see new kernel and recovey one i think |
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| 10:33.26 | dontknow | i will stay with new one though |
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| 10:38.55 | normex | hello, I can not update firefox and thunderbird. aptitude says "libhunspell-1.3.0 (>= 1.3.3) (UNAVAILABLE)" is required, but offers no solutions. What can I do? |
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| 10:41.42 | dontknow | normex, what is your method of updating firefox? |
| 10:42.34 | normex | normally I do "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade", as this failed I tried with "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade", then I tried it with aptitude |
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| 10:43.17 | dontknow | normex, i mean are you on stable and getting it from testing? |
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| 10:44.16 | normex | I'm on stretch and I have jessie/updates main in my sources.list |
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| 10:44.23 | petn-randall | ,v libhunspell-1.3.0 |
| 10:44.25 | judd | No package named 'libhunspell-1.3.0' was found in amd64. |
| 10:44.52 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 10:44.53 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 10:45.02 | dontknow | why the heck do you have jessie updates in stretch anyways |
| 10:45.09 | petn-randall | normex: Can you provide all the info above in a single paste? ^^^ |
| 10:45.30 | normex | ok |
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| 10:46.12 | dontknow | petn-randall, isn't it obvious? there is no such package |
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| 10:48.36 | normex | http://paste.debian.net/986923/ |
| 10:49.32 | normex | I did "apt-get purge" on firefox-esr, because I thought it might solve the problem to reinstall it completely |
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| 10:49.50 | normex | but now I can not reinstall it as you can see in the paste |
| 10:50.39 | normex | initially it looked similar to thunderbird, it was listed as kept back |
| 10:52.20 | normex | today I could not use apt/apt-get/aptitude because dpkg was locked -> i had to remove the lock file (i hope that is not the cause of my problem) |
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| 10:55.04 | zebu | hi ! in caja, file size is show some way. in the caja prefs, there exists a checkbox to have files size in "CEI unit". If the box is checked, the file size appears smaller. So, can someone tell me wath is the difference between CEI and not-CEI. I just suppose not-CEI 1ko=1000, with CEI 1ko=1024 ? Confirm or not this point. Thx. |
| 10:55.14 | zebu | *shown |
| 10:56.39 | zebu | *the file size (in MB, GB, TB...) appears smaller |
| 10:56.52 | bazhang | whats caja |
| 10:57.39 | zebu | it's in MATE : windows that show files/dirs/... |
| 10:57.55 | zebu | (sorry i'm french) |
| 10:58.27 | normex | dontknow: but if there is no such package, why is it needed to install/upgrade? is there something broken with my dependencies? |
| 10:58.32 | Iridos | normex, hm, for one, you shouldn't have jessie security-updates but the ones for stretch if you run stretch⦠but that's probably not causing your current problem |
| 10:58.47 | zebu | http://mate-desktop.org/ |
| 10:59.06 | Iridos | or maybe it is |
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| 10:59.23 | Iridos | but what I wonder is about judd⦠I have oldstable and I see that package |
| 10:59.28 | Iridos | judd, versions libhunspell-1.3-0 |
| 10:59.29 | judd | Package: libhunspell-1.3-0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3.2-4; jessie: 1.3.3-3 |
| 10:59.32 | Iridos | ah |
| 10:59.40 | normex | ok, would it help to remove the jessie security upgrades from sources.list ? |
| 10:59.48 | zebu | bazhang: "Caja is the official file manager for the MATE desktop." |
| 11:00.04 | bazhang | zebu, and it has many plugins |
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| 11:01.04 | normex | if so, would I need to add stretch security upgrades? http://paste.debian.net/986926/ |
| 11:01.26 | bazhang | ,v caja-actions |
| 11:01.28 | judd | Package: caja-actions on amd64 -- stretch: 1.8.1-1; buster: 1.8.3-1+b1; sid: 1.8.3-1+b1 |
| 11:02.36 | zebu | bazhang: on short, I can't fond any info (even in wikipedia) about the meaning of "CEI unit", about files size. So I suppose the difference is 1ko=1000 (without), and 1ko=1024 (in CEI uniting). Because file size seems smaller with this option set. Does someone known something about this ? |
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| 11:03.09 | zebu | *in short, I can't find... (oops) |
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| 11:05.21 | jelly-home | !stretch sources.list |
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| 11:05.41 | jelly-home | !stretch sources.list |
| 11:05.42 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 11:05.47 | jelly-home | normex: ^^ |
| 11:06.22 | normex | jelly-home: thank you |
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| 11:10.57 | unixbassen | ls |
| 11:11.21 | jelly-home | normex: if you just replace every "jessie"with "stretch" you should be fine |
| 11:11.40 | jelly-home | now that I've actually looked at your paste |
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| 11:13.23 | normex | yes, this solved my problem =) Thank you very much for your help @all |
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| 12:08.25 | F31033 | i am looking for an editor in debian, preferably one that is not too bloated, that allows for creation of rules (such as printing everything that is written in brackets in a certain font size). do you guys have any suggestions? |
| 12:08.28 | catalyzer3 | . |
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| 12:09.30 | tremolo | I'm not sure what "too bloated" looks like for you. I like kate, but I use KDE anyway. |
| 12:09.37 | zamba | i have a very old debian squeeze installation that i want to get upgraded |
| 12:09.39 | zamba | what are my options? |
| 12:09.49 | zamba | it's sitting in a remote location, so it's not too easy to just reinstall |
| 12:10.24 | catalyzer3 | Squeeze is debian6? |
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| 12:11.18 | slax0r | tremolo: since whene is KDE an editor? |
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| 12:11.46 | F31033 | tremolo: too bloated would be e.g. libreoffice writer |
| 12:11.53 | F31033 | i will look into kate, thanks for the suggestion so far |
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| 12:12.12 | slax0r | tremolo: appologies, I have missed the "I like kate" stuff |
| 12:12.17 | tremolo | slax0r: It isn't, but using KDE means that I have the dependencies for kate installed, making it seem less heavy than if I were to install it on a system without kate. |
| 12:12.23 | zamba | catalyzer3: correct |
| 12:12.47 | sypher | zamba: Install all pending updates, upgrade to wheezy. Install all pending updates, upgrade to jessie. Updates, upgrade to stretch. And good luck. |
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| 12:13.17 | tremolo | Rather, on a system without KDE. |
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| 12:13.32 | sypher | zamba: The fun part is the fact that even your NEXT step is EOL. |
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| 12:14.58 | slax0r | tremolo: yeah, I realized, see my line above :) |
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| 12:16.06 | sypher | zamba: Ah, correction, wheezy is still in LTS phase until 2018. So you're in luck there. |
| 12:16.16 | sypher | zamba: You should be able to follow those steps. |
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| 12:51.19 | galex-713_ | Hi |
| 12:51.50 | galex-713_ | What should I use to try to compile visual basic? I found vbnc but got said itâs deprecated and now roslyn is used instead: why isnât it in debian? |
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| 12:52.32 | petn-randall | galex-713_: If something isn't in Debian, it's usually because nobody packaged it yet. |
| 12:52.50 | galex-713_ | petn-randall, but what about something unstable, buggy and deprecated? |
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| 12:54.43 | Iridos | if something is in debian, it's usually because somebody packaged it |
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| 12:55.31 | petn-randall | ,v vbnc |
| 12:55.32 | judd | No package named 'vbnc' was found in amd64. |
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| 12:56.02 | petn-randall | galex-713_: Most packages that are in stable will be supported during the whole lifecycle of that release. |
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| 13:01.14 | galex-713__ | petn-randall, even old, almost not used, disliked and deprecated software like mono vbnc, the old mono visual basic compiler? |
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| 13:12.15 | tw | If you're asking if there will be version bumps tracking upstream releases, very probably not, but it will be supported if there are critical bugs. |
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| 13:29.43 | petn-randall | galex-713__: If you're asking if stable gets feature updates, the answer is "no". |
| 13:29.58 | galex-713__ | petn-randall, ah, no |
| 13:30.47 | galex-713__ | petn-randall, the question is more about the past, like, is it common that a package loose a maintainer and stays there, or get a maintainer that do nothing not even packaging the new program that depreciate the old |
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| 13:34.14 | koollman | galex-713__: typically unmaintained package do not survive the distribution release process |
| 13:34.42 | koollman | which is why some package can be for example, in squeeze, but not jessie, and come back (new maintainer) in squeeze |
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| 13:36.19 | galex-713__ | koollman, ok, but why is still vbnc packaged then? is there an active but lazy maintener? is he waiting upstreams stabilize before to stop packaging deprecated stuff? |
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| 13:41.51 | petn-randall | ,v mono-vbnc |
| 13:41.52 | judd | Package: mono-vbnc on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.10-2; jessie: 3.8-1; buster: 4.0.1-1; sid: 4.0.1-1; stretch: 4.0.1-1 |
| 13:42.09 | TheSin | morning guys, I have a question about interfaces, I have 2 one is static (local private) and one is dhcp (external public), I can't get it to boot and make the external network my default route, it always wants the internal private one to be default I assume cause it's static, if there an option I can use to tell networking that the dhcp iface is the default? |
| 13:42.39 | petn-randall | galex-713__: I don't understand why you're complaining about packages being *IN* Debian. If you don't like it, just don't use it? Other people might still see practical use in it even though you don't. |
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| 13:43.32 | petn-randall | TheSin: If you don't want the static interface to have a route, you need to comment out the line that sets the default route over it. |
| 13:43.48 | TheSin | it needs a route, just not the default |
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| 13:44.45 | sypher | TheSin: Does your interfaces file have a default gateway for the static? |
| 13:44.48 | TheSin | petn-randall, thoguht that might work, as it doesn't truely need to route since it's just a local /24 |
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| 13:45.06 | TheSin | sypher, it does have a gateway yes |
| 13:45.10 | sypher | TheSin: So remove it. |
| 13:45.20 | TheSin | just did it's rebooting now, thanks guys |
| 13:45.25 | TheSin | that should work |
| 13:45.50 | sypher | TheSin: All interfaces have a route called the connected route to the network upon which its IP sits as a function of address and netmask/prefix. |
| 13:46.07 | TheSin | ahh |
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| 13:48.59 | TheSin | perfect thanks petn-randall sypher |
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| 13:53.04 | tw | Does SAK/SAS play nicely with x logins? |
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| 13:54.17 | catalyzer3 | Aa |
| 13:54.48 | galex-713__ | petn-randall, no what Iâm asking (not actually really complaining, except about the absence of roslyn but I think I understood they have difficulties to fully bootstrap the compilation process) |
| 13:55.23 | galex-713__ | *what Iâm asking is why didnât they (the people who package mono/mono-vbnc) try to include or begin to work into integrating roslyn at least in testing/sid |
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| 13:55.53 | Paul-- | hello |
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| 13:56.46 | petn-randall | galex-713__: "they" are always people who step up and do it. There's no requirement/expectation that someone has to package Y just because they packaged X in the past. |
| 13:57.14 | Paul-- | to view the desktop from debian ( debian - debian ) , must I install vnc on the remote machine ? |
| 13:58.40 | petn-randall | galex-713__: AFAICS there isn't even a RFP or ITP for roslyn yet: https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/prospective |
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| 14:03.00 | galex-713__ | petn-randall, I know thereâs no obligation, I wanted to know if it was common or if they normally had a special reason for that kind of things |
| 14:03.07 | galex-713__ | petn-randall, not even? :/ damn |
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| 14:03.15 | xdije | hi |
| 14:03.29 | xdije | what is the debian default life cycle |
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| 14:05.10 | tw | "Patching the right Mono version and acquiring all the tools can be very difficult, so we've saved pre-built versions on Azure." that does not bode well for a buildable package. |
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| 14:06.09 | petn-randall | galex-713__: You could file a RFP for roslyn, and someone might either package it or respond why its so difficult. |
| 14:06.35 | mxh- | xdije: Stable major releases? Every 2 years or so it seems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_version_history |
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| 14:07.29 | galex-713__ | petn-randall, what should I do to make an RFP? is it anonymous? does it take long (to make the RFP, not to have it packaged) |
| 14:08.34 | GooseBear | Hi, i am trying to exectue an terminal from panel: the terminal should execute "while true; do echo "Hello..." ; sleep 2; done , but i am getting an error executing a child process...., and the started terminal remains black , with no further output... |
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| 14:09.38 | petn-randall | !rfp |
| 14:09.38 | dpkg | Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. The best way of getting software packaged is to do it yourself: ask me about <nmg>. |
| 14:09.49 | petn-randall | galex-713__: ^^^ |
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| 14:13.01 | GooseBear | adding an application luncher to the panel containing "gnome-terminal -x "while true; do echo "Hello..."; sleep 2; done" ... |
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| 14:13.10 | Paul-- | petn-randall, xorg don't list anymore on a port to security reasons ? |
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| 14:20.44 | Paul-- | !help |
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| 14:21.19 | mmoreno80 | hi channel! I need to install python3.4 on a Debian Stretch. I cannot find this specific version on the repositories; what is the proper way to install an older python's version? I don't want to install it by hand but using apt-get. |
| 14:21.43 | mmoreno80 | it is for my production servers, btw. that is why I have no choice about the specific version. |
| 14:21.44 | tw | Paul--: default setting is -nolisten tcp in deb9. non-ssh or XDMCP is a fairly uncommon configuration. |
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| 14:22.11 | Paul-- | tw, what ? you mean about xorg ? |
| 14:22.23 | tw | yes. |
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| 14:22.40 | mxh- | mmoreno80: mmoreno80 3.4 seems extremely specific, so 3.5 won't work? :o |
| 14:22.46 | Paul-- | tw, the setting is in xorg.conf ? |
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| 14:23.57 | tw | Just the way it's started by the login manager. |
| 14:24.03 | tw | Oh. |
| 14:24.24 | tw | _where_, it's /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc, as I recall. |
| 14:24.36 | Paul-- | tw, I was diabled for security reasons? |
| 14:24.55 | tw | It's inherently insecure, I don't know the exact reason it was done. |
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| 14:25.58 | mmoreno80 | mxh-: no, it won't work. It is specific because of the devs ... they have hard preconditions. |
| 14:26.09 | mmoreno80 | mxh-: I cannot change the version. |
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| 14:28.25 | mxh- | mmoreno80: I see. Jessie and sid both have 3.4 it seems... |
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| 14:28.40 | mmoreno80 | mxh-: yes. |
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| 14:31.46 | jelly-home | ,v python3.4 |
| 14:31.47 | judd | Package: python3.4 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.4.2-1 |
| 14:32.08 | jelly-home | mmoreno80: either build it from source or use Debian 8 |
| 14:32.14 | mxh- | Yeah - it's jessie, sid, or building from source... |
| 14:32.20 | mxh- | I would pick the debian 8 option |
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| 14:32.29 | jelly-home | mxh-: where do you see it available for sid? |
| 14:32.42 | mxh- | jelly-home: Debian package search on their website |
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| 14:33.36 | jelly-home | mxh-: that can list stuff in architectures not part of release at all |
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| 14:33.47 | mmoreno80 | jelly-home, mxh-: ok ... doesn't sound good. |
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| 14:34.31 | mxh- | jelly-home: Yep - I'm on sid and it's not in here, wasn't expecting them to pick sid though :) |
| 14:35.19 | mxh- | mmoreno80: If docker is an option that might be a lot simpler |
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| 14:36.00 | tw | or "backport" it. |
| 14:36.05 | mmoreno80 | mxh-: not an option. using ansible to make a AMI. |
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| 14:37.07 | tw | Ansible can set custom package sources, or manually install debs, I assume. Can always deploy your own in that way. Otherwise use jessie. |
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| 14:39.00 | mmoreno80 | tw: yes, ansible can handle debs and custom sources |
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| 14:39.21 | tw | mmoreno80: https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 14:39.32 | tw | works for pulling jessie packages into stretch the same way. |
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| 14:42.00 | mmoreno80 | tw: awesome! |
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| 14:42.33 | mmoreno80 | tw: that should work for me. |
| 14:43.07 | tw | script it, you're probably going to do it a non-trivial number of times to get all of the deps if you're pulling from apt and not pip. |
| 14:43.50 | mxh- | Is this simpler than just running the supported version considering it's a professional environment? I have no experience with private backports though just a thought... |
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| 14:44.50 | mxh- | I mean, is there not a risk of ending up with a lot of problems with 3rd party libs expecting who knows what? |
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| 14:46.13 | lotherk | Hi. is there a way to log all the installer output to a remote host? |
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| 14:46.56 | petn-randall | lotherk: No directly, however, there is a way to continue the installation via SSH, and you can simply log that output. |
| 14:47.11 | tw | mxh-: It's definitely a risk. Here, we have promotion control down to the micro rev and OS updates have to go through release testing. Python and libpython themselves are versioned in a safe way though. |
| 14:47.28 | mmoreno80 | mxh-: It is simpler, but the dev have give me an out of discussion requirement and it is python 3.4 |
| 14:47.41 | mmoreno80 | *devs *given |
| 14:47.42 | lotherk | petn-randall: thanks for the info but that is not what I am looking for. I wanted to "watch" the install while it's doing it's thing. I was thinking in a syslog remote logging way |
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| 14:49.16 | tw | lotherk: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=605614#20 |
| 14:49.17 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/605614 in busybox (closed): «debian-installer: Ability to configure remote syslog»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2010-12-01; last modified: 2011-09-02. |
| 14:49.42 | lotherk | tw: uh, that looks promising |
| 14:49.47 | lotherk | thank you! |
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| 14:58.50 | adac | guys I upgraded debian from jessie to stretch on my server. Now in strech when I try to ping google.de it seems to use ipv6 |
| 14:58.55 | adac | instead of ipv4 |
| 14:59.08 | adac | is this normal behaviour in stretch? |
| 14:59.10 | adac | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8e4e8180cf12cc001fe14100af3afdb0 |
| 14:59.16 | Dagger | `ping` is dual-stack now. pass -4 or use `ping4` if you explicitly want v4 |
| 14:59.26 | adac | ahh ok |
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| 15:04.24 | adac | just not sure which one. all seems to be still set up correctly |
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| 15:06.56 | sypher | mmoreno80: A frank question about your situation: Did your dev justify WHY 3.4 is required and 3.5 won't work? |
| 15:07.19 | sypher | mmoreno80: Or is this just "because I developed against 3.4 and never tested anything else?" |
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| 15:11.01 | debber | is this an okay place to ask for help with a virt-manager problem I'm having on Stretch? |
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| 15:12.53 | mmoreno80 | sypher: mmm ... option #2! |
| 15:13.11 | mmoreno80 | sypher: but if there is any problem because of 3.5, it would be my fault. |
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| 15:14.10 | sypher | Have your devs test the code on 3.5 and certify that it works. If it breaks, it's their fault, and you don't have to play version jockey. |
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| 15:14.44 | sypher | If it breaks during testing, have them fix it. That's their job. |
| 15:15.14 | debber | oh i see now in the guidelines that i shouldn't "ask to ask". well: i can't seem to share a directory between my host system and my QEMU/KVM guest with virt-manager, I get an error that says my selected share "must be a file or a device, not a directory" and there appears to be no way to select a directory, despite every manual and online guide I've found saying that this is how one does it. The error has |
| 15:15.20 | debber | almost no hits on the web except the code itself... |
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| 15:15.55 | mmoreno80 | sypher: step by step ... I least I am working to migrate Ubuntu to Debian. |
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| 15:40.31 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
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| 16:32.48 | zophyx | uses the Debian derived Prozac Linux Distro |
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| 16:34.05 | dpkg | prozac is, like, a great new flavor of pez |
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| 16:46.28 | zophyx | this used to be a far more busy channel |
| 16:48.00 | Dave67FL | Hello all. I deleted my /usr/local/bin directory. I know there wasn't anything vital there, but it'll just be a PITA to recreate the links and shell scripts. Is there any way to recover an entire directory? |
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| 16:48.56 | sypher | Dave67FL: Backups? |
| 16:49.12 | Dave67FL | Not recently, no. |
| 16:49.28 | Dave67FL | I know, there was much facepalm. |
| 16:49.43 | sypher | Ehh, not sure if there are other options. |
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| 16:50.28 | Dave67FL | I saw a couple but they want specific filetypes. scalpel will pick out pictures, media, etc. |
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| 16:50.39 | Dave67FL | These are links and shell scripts. |
| 16:50.49 | th0r | Dave67FL, for future reference...I keep my scripts in ~/bin and link them to /usr/local/bin....it would be no problem to just recreate the links |
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| 16:51.13 | ModFather | Hi there, i dont know if its a silly question. i have a debian linux with Bastille firewall. How i can configure ban time and retries before get ban through IPTABLES ? |
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| 16:51.35 | sypher | So, most file recovery utilities parse the actual sectors to find chains, and then create a link to a chain. When you remove a link, it's just... a link. There's nothing to find. |
| 16:51.59 | Dave67FL | Yeah I have some things in ~/.local/bin that was how this was set up, not sure why, I just rolled with it.) |
| 16:52.35 | th0r | Dave67FL, recreating the links is easy if you have used mc before |
| 16:52.50 | Dave67FL | glares |
| 16:52.56 | Dave67FL | Really? haha |
| 16:53.23 | th0r | Dave67FL, it would take me maybe two minutes to recreate the links to all my scripts in /usr/local/bin |
| 16:53.31 | Dave67FL | I know mc. And usually I am smarter than this. Been a Linux geek since Redhat 5.2 |
| 16:53.48 | Dave67FL | I just need to remember what was linked. |
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| 16:53.55 | Dave67FL | shrugs |
| 16:54.14 | Dave67FL | and rewrite about a dozen shell scripts. |
| 16:54.27 | Dave67FL | I was just looking to save some work. |
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| 16:54.59 | Dave67FL | My backup was quite old. I need to set up offsite. |
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| 16:57.09 | Dave67FL | OK, time for this old man to get to work on it. Thanks, guys. |
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| 17:09.48 | mrr0butt | Hi! My my debian stretch installation partialy doesn't display properly utf chars |
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| 17:11.33 | mrr0butt | e.g I see lot of rectangles/placeholders on sites with language lists like https://scribd.com/search?page=1&content_type=books&query= |
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| 17:17.15 | teraflops | mrr0butt: like what? the link you posted is a blank document at least here |
| 17:17.45 | mrr0butt | there is a language filter list |
| 17:17.55 | mrr0butt | on the left |
| 17:18.20 | teraflops | mrr0butt: like http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/fffd/index.htm ? |
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| 17:20.28 | teraflops | if you see � I think the problem there is related to the charset, so check your locales |
| 17:20.31 | mrr0butt | teraflops, yes |
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| 17:23.45 | teraflops | or maybe youre missing glyphs, then you just need to install more fonts, because font fallback cannot render given glyphs, that's why youre lacking a font having them |
| 17:24.20 | teraflops | s/why/because |
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| 17:27.23 | paragoff | Â /msg NickServ REGISTER hello@123 parag.kamra@niiconsulting.com |
| 17:27.34 | mrr0butt | lel |
| 17:27.51 | paragoff | lol |
| 17:28.19 | paragoff | # |
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| 17:28.49 | teraflops | and that's why you never do such things in a channel buffer |
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| 17:32.22 | annadane | obviously change your password but also use a *better password* |
| 17:33.27 | netzach | Hello |
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| 17:33.35 | netzach | how do I make network bonding work with dhcp? |
| 17:33.36 | netzach | Thank you |
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| 17:33.54 | sypher | It does natively. |
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| 17:40.47 | GPenguin | hello, whats going on when my system's language is set to "german" and several things are presented in that language (~/Dokumente, etc.) but man pages are in english? |
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| 17:44.43 | nkuttler | GPenguin: install manpages-de |
| 17:44.54 | nkuttler | GPenguin: or, probably, task-german |
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| 17:45.15 | GPenguin | manpages-de is already installed, trying next |
| 17:45.35 | GPenguin | task-german is also installed |
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| 17:47.26 | teraflop | !wtf is task-german |
| 17:47.27 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 17:47.43 | GPenguin | i guess from taskselect? |
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| 17:49.00 | GPenguin | hello teraflop btw |
| 17:49.08 | GPenguin | ltns |
| 17:49.10 | teraflop | GPenguin: hi there |
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| 17:49.37 | annadane | i wonder if dpkg--reconfigure manpages would work |
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| 17:50.03 | teraflop | not all manpages are translated iirc |
| 17:50.25 | annadane | as a temporary measure you can find all the manpages online |
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| 17:50.54 | teraflop | ,v manpages-de-extras |
| 17:50.55 | judd | No package named 'manpages-de-extras' was found in amd64. |
| 17:51.13 | teraflop | ,v manpages-de-extra |
| 17:51.14 | judd | No package named 'manpages-de-extra' was found in amd64. |
| 17:51.16 | teraflop | :S |
| 17:51.20 | GPenguin | annadane: nice idea, thanks |
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| 17:51.44 | annadane | i feel like there must be a simple way to do this though |
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| 17:52.12 | GPenguin | i think teraflop was right. they are not translated so far |
| 17:52.30 | GPenguin | because "man intro" appears in german, hmmm |
| 17:52.51 | annadane | right, that's the occam's razor explanation |
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| 17:53.23 | annadane | (ie, simplest) |
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| 17:54.33 | GPenguin | yep, reading about it |
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| 17:55.24 | GPenguin | oh, and - can i see from outside the project if somebody is already working on a translation of the journalctl man page? |
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| 17:57.43 | annadane | hm |
| 17:57.44 | annadane | good question |
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| 17:58.22 | annadane | i want to say no but i'm not actually certain |
| 17:58.36 | verblendet | GPenguin, just my 2cents, you should stay on the english manuals, or at least compare them to germen manuals, i personally find that "der mutterprozess hat das kind getoetet und der vater ist ein zombie" schon etwas seltsam :)) |
| 17:59.00 | verblendet | ok, what i mean is that most german translations are ... ugly |
| 17:59.26 | verblendet | my english isnt very good, but i learned that german translated english manpages and manuals are worse |
| 17:59.29 | annadane | see https://wiki.debian.org/manpages.debian.org under "Forum" for example |
| 17:59.58 | annadane | and going off what verblendet said, unfortunately man pages in other languages can be out of date compared with the english versions |
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| 18:00.34 | annadane | recently there was someone who had a man page, i think in french, who was wondering "why the man pages were out of date" and it was from 1993 |
| 18:00.41 | annadane | the english was from like 2015 |
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| 18:00.55 | contrapunctus | o.o |
| 18:00.56 | verblendet | lol |
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| 18:02.09 | teraflop | same for wikis |
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| 18:03.17 | TrapMaid | having a problem. i created a netinstall thumbdrive but there only seem to be 4 files in it and selecting it as boot device kicks me back to the bios over and over again. |
| 18:03.30 | annadane | TrapMaid, how'd you prepare the image? |
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| 18:04.24 | TrapMaid | i don't have access to the program anymore but it had a dropdown i selected distro and version and hit write and it downloaded the image. |
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| 18:04.47 | SuperTramp83 | I would guess and say unetbootin :P |
| 18:04.50 | TrapMaid | unetbootin i think. |
| 18:04.56 | annadane | yeah, don't use that |
| 18:04.57 | contrapunctus | TrapMaid: cp image.iso /dev/sdX |
| 18:04.58 | annadane | are you on windows? |
| 18:05.00 | SuperTramp83 | yeah, don't.. |
| 18:05.04 | SuperTramp83 | use dd |
| 18:05.07 | TrapMaid | windows |
| 18:05.10 | TrapMaid | yeah |
| 18:05.13 | annadane | !win32diskimager |
| 18:05.14 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 18:05.15 | annadane | ^ |
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| 18:05.26 | TrapMaid | k got win32diskimager on this computer for my pi |
| 18:06.31 | TrapMaid | downloading https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 18:07.06 | GPenguin | verblendet: thanks for your opinion :) |
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| 18:07.48 | TrapMaid | a 4 gig drive will be enough for install media, yeah? |
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| 18:08.11 | GPenguin | i suppose those who can do good translations write a book :P |
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| 18:10.11 | GPenguin | "Python for everyone" is another project like that. but i am not sure if i can dedicate months of time |
| 18:10.27 | GPenguin | maybe i should |
| 18:10.32 | annadane | TrapMaid, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s05.html.en |
| 18:10.46 | annadane | You must have at least 178MB of memory and 780MB of hard disk space to perform a normal installation. Note that these are fairly minimal numbers. For more realistic figures, see Section 3.4, âMeeting Minimum Hardware Requirementsâ. |
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| 18:11.30 | TrapMaid | annadane i just meant for the install media |
| 18:11.48 | TrapMaid | the computer has 55gig waiting and 16gig ram. |
| 18:13.23 | annadane | oh, right. silly me |
| 18:13.35 | annadane | TrapMaid, 4 GB is fine, yes |
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| 18:13.58 | annadane | the netinstall is only ~200 MB IIRC |
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| 18:14.58 | annadane | well, 290 MB but yes that's fine |
| 18:15.33 | TrapMaid | should i do a full upgrade before installing xfce? |
| 18:15.57 | annadane | TrapMaid, if you're using the netinstall all software is brought up to date during the install process |
| 18:16.09 | annadane | aka even if you download a 9.0 it will be brought up to 9.1 |
| 18:16.36 | annadane | (which, you're already using 9.1 anyway) |
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| 18:19.14 | TrapMaid | ahh cool. is there anything i should be installing before xfce? |
| 18:19.26 | annadane | TrapMaid, nothing i can particularly think of |
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| 18:21.08 | Ormu | hello |
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| 18:22.52 | TrapMaid | is there a gui text editor on par with notepad++ and kate that is xfce native? |
| 18:23.12 | Ormu | i had some problems when using my phone to share internet via USB. First, connection went bad, and reconnecting wasn't successful. This happened after starting a Bittorrent download but that may be a conincidence. I disabled and enabled USB internet sharing from the phone, still no success. Then the phone crashed and rebooted. After that, internet sharing worked again. Here is some dmesg: |
| 18:23.18 | Ormu | https://bpaste.net/show/13d4598e6973 |
| 18:23.34 | annadane | not entirely familiar with xfce... i'm sure it has a text editor |
| 18:23.38 | annadane | let me do a search |
| 18:23.54 | Ormu | mousepad comes with Xfce I think, but it's very basic. |
| 18:24.06 | oojacoboo | why would the NTP server for debian be about one minute ahead? |
| 18:24.19 | Ormu | IMO Kate is closest to Notepad++, but if you want Notepad++, you can use it under Wine |
| 18:24.27 | TrapMaid | mousepad seems to be the default but it seemingly has no line numbering or highlighting. |
| 18:24.34 | annadane | TrapMaid, mousepad as Ormu mentioned does come with xfce. you can try using vi |
| 18:24.41 | contrapunctus | or Emacs |
| 18:24.43 | mrr0butt | teraflop, have no idea how to determine which packages/fonts i am missing, locale command output: http://paste.debian.net/986999/ |
| 18:24.47 | annadane | but there's many, many text editors available |
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| 18:24.56 | annadane | https://wiki.debian.org/TextEditor |
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| 18:25.16 | Ormu | Gedit doesn't require KDE deps and it has more features than mousepad/leafpad. I don't like it very much |
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| 18:25.31 | annadane | emacs is certainly arguably the editor with the most features and bells and whistles though it's somewhat difficult to get your head around |
| 18:25.37 | annadane | well, not even arguably |
| 18:25.59 | contrapunctus | goes for Vim, too, really (ex-Vimmer) |
| 18:26.00 | annadane | there's no reason you can't just install kate in xfce though |
| 18:26.28 | TrapMaid | i got decent enough at emacs and vim at uni but never got to the point of liking them like most linux users apparently do. |
| 18:26.43 | contrapunctus | So...it seems the Devanagari script always seem to render at a very small size on a computer (or just on Linux? I haven't used anything else in close to a decade.), leading to a lot of manual zooming for me. Is there any way to globally render Devanagari at a bigger size? |
| 18:27.14 | TrapMaid | annadane yeah i have it on my HTPC but it seems like being for a different DE gives it a longer than normal load time. |
| 18:27.15 | contrapunctus | script * always renders |
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| 18:27.29 | annadane | right |
| 18:27.46 | Ormu | Kate loads KDE stuff which may take a while on a slow computer |
| 18:28.10 | annadane | "no reason not to" as in, it won't crash your system but of course these are all valid points |
| 18:28.12 | TrapMaid | KDE? I thought I had read gnome. |
| 18:28.24 | annadane | Kate is a KDE Plasma application |
| 18:28.35 | jelly | contrapunctus: you got fonts-deva installed? Which specific font are you using? |
| 18:28.35 | Ormu | it's KDE Advanced Text Editor :P |
| 18:28.38 | annadane | well, KDE |
| 18:28.43 | annadane | it's probably in neon also |
| 18:29.04 | jelly | contrapunctus: and which app (or which URL on which browser) |
| 18:29.40 | TrapMaid | i see. :P |
| 18:30.06 | contrapunctus | jelly: I hadn't; no idea ._. ; Emacs and Gajim. |
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| 18:31.04 | Apteryx | Hi! I'm looking at the package 'android-sdk-platform-tools-common' at that page: https://packages.debian.org/unstable/android-sdk-platform-tools-common, and I fail to see what is the origin (source) of the tar.xz used? |
| 18:31.09 | TrapMaid | um. win32diskimager requires img it seems. |
| 18:31.54 | annadane | TrapMaid, "Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images." |
| 18:32.01 | annadane | from the !win32diskimager factoid |
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| 18:32.13 | contrapunctus | jelly: I can scale text easily in Emacs, but given that it's a pretty predictable operation (I need to zoom in to work with Devanagari, and need to zoom out for Latin), I'd rather automate it by always having Devanagari get a bigger font size. |
| 18:33.24 | TrapMaid | k thhanx for the help. writig disk now |
| 18:33.24 | contrapunctus | In Gajim you can only adjust text size in the preferences, so for decently-sized Devanagari I've to put up with larger-than-usual Latin; plus, it only applies to the chat area, not to the input area o\ |
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| 18:34.36 | annadane | i'm not sure we even properly answered the question of which editor to use |
| 18:35.12 | Ormu | we gave suggestions :P |
| 18:35.25 | annadane | s'pose so. |
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| 18:35.38 | TrapMaid | i'll likely just use kate...assuming 16gig turns out to be enough that it loads reletively quickly. :P |
| 18:35.41 | annadane | that's all we can hope for without descending into the tedious hell of editor wars |
| 18:35.59 | Ormu | Gedit might be worth trying although i don't like it especially much |
| 18:36.16 | annadane | if you want a clean system you can always just install the one with the least dependencies |
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| 18:38.00 | jelly | contrapunctus: dunno, https://github.com/itfoundry/hind/releases doesn't look completely horrible and latin vs devanagari scale seems fine https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Hind |
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| 18:38.37 | Ormu | i had some problems when using my phone to share internet via USB. First, connection went bad, and reconnecting wasn't successful. This happened after starting a Bittorrent download but that may be a conincidence. I disabled and enabled USB internet sharing from the phone, still no success. Then the phone crashed and rebooted. After that, internet sharing worked again. Here is some dmesg: |
| 18:38.43 | Ormu | https://bpaste.net/show/13d4598e6973 |
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| 18:39.41 | jelly | same width for everything looks a bit weird tho |
| 18:39.52 | Ormu | :o |
| 18:40.26 | Ormu | how to interpret that dmesg? Did the rndis driver crash or something? |
| 18:40.47 | contrapunctus | jelly: how may I set that as the font, across all applications? |
| 18:41.28 | jelly | no idea |
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| 18:41.40 | contrapunctus | Q_Q |
| 18:41.45 | contrapunctus | jelly: thanks anyway |
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| 18:43.26 | TrapMaid | what's LVM? |
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| 18:44.49 | bezaban | !lvm |
| 18:44.50 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:46.03 | bezaban | TrapMaid: it's a logical layer between disk partitions and filesystems that allows you to dynamically resize and modify logical volumes regardless of partitions |
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| 18:46.47 | TrapMaid | so basically if my /home/ partition got too small i could just make it bigger by reducing the say / partition? |
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| 18:49.31 | f0ff | I stay away from LVM because it makes thing a bit of a mess. |
| 18:49.58 | f0ff | must have it's use somewhere, but not on my homecomputer i think |
| 18:51.22 | jhutchins_wk | f0ff: IN a production environment, it will allow you to expand a disk without taking it off-line, and by extending a partion onto a new disk. I've never trusted disk-spanning, not since the NT4 disk manager first allowed it. |
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| 18:51.59 | Ormu | just for curiosity, what would be the recommended way to implement a bootable RAID1? Especially on a laptop with only 2 disks, and the EFI boot partition is required too. |
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| 18:52.02 | jhutchins_wk | f0ff: It also has a bit of overhead, which can actually come into play in a production environment. |
| 18:52.31 | jelly | I love lvm because it's a lot saner than partitions |
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| 18:54.19 | jelly | TrapMaid: you wouldn't reduce /, because that's an offline task; you would: not allocate the whole available space right away |
| 18:55.57 | jelly | got at 500GB boot disk? allocate say 1GB for /boot (partition), the rest for lvm (partition), and slice that lvm into 10GB for /, 20GB for /home, however much swap you need, and leave the rest not allocated |
| 18:56.51 | jelly | sadly, debian-installer guided partitioning fails at "not allocate the whole available space right away) |
| 18:57.14 | TrapMaid | oh that's grand. |
| 18:57.31 | annadane | what's the bug number for that? |
| 18:57.48 | at0m | jelly: how does lvm go about disk failure? do you know what files are where and prone to loss? |
| 18:58.54 | at0m | like f0ff, i prefer to know what disk has what files |
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| 18:58.59 | bezaban | at0m: lvm does nothing about that |
| 18:59.40 | bezaban | that problem is raids to resolve, and you would do lvm on top of a raid device |
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| 19:00.32 | f0ff | i guess lvm makes sense in what jhutchins_wk said, in a environment where you run out of disk space and can push in a new disk and expand it there with out going offline |
| 19:01.18 | at0m | f0ff: right. you could also move stuff somewhere else and symlink the old location to the new |
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| 19:01.25 | jelly | or in any environment where you don't know in advance how much space are your OS components, or user data, or databases, going to take |
| 19:01.26 | bezaban | it works for that. I often experience that the debian installer allocates way to much to /home for my use, so I reduce it after install and have a pool in the PV that I can allocate around as neede |
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| 19:01.51 | bezaban | at0m: or just mount it |
| 19:01.52 | jelly | bezaban: I guess that's the usual workaround everyone figures out |
| 19:01.57 | bezaban | jelly: yeah.. |
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| 19:03.15 | bezaban | never done much in the way of cross-disk lvm - I guess that's kinda like jbod |
| 19:03.17 | jelly | at0m: but then you have to move stuff, possibly shutting down services first, and have leftover symlinks |
| 19:03.21 | f0ff | if you are average geek messing around lvm will just give headaches |
| 19:03.35 | jelly | lvm reduces downtime down the line |
| 19:03.42 | at0m | jelly: right |
| 19:04.19 | jelly | f0ff: it's also used in the most common laptop-with-almost-full-disk-encryption scenario |
| 19:04.56 | bezaban | especially for bare-metal stuff, but now you can typically just assign another virtual disk and mount it - or even do a blue-green deployment of a container with a larger persistent volume if that is your game |
| 19:04.58 | at0m | debian installer in any case allocates way too little for /boot, where kernel upgrade is sometimes impossible if /boot is smaller than space for 2 kernels - the old and the new |
| 19:04.59 | jelly | one partition for /boot, one for luks, and lvm on top |
| 19:05.07 | bezaban | at0m: yep |
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| 19:07.04 | f0ff | or you skip lvm and have /boot on / ? |
| 19:07.35 | bezaban | f0ff: well for workstations/laptops you might want luks on / and subdirectories except boot |
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| 19:08.22 | f0ff | yeah |
| 19:08.39 | bezaban | but this is largely independent of lvm |
| 19:10.06 | jelly | f0ff: |
| 19:10.08 | at0m | 3 partition here on laptop with SSD: EFI, swap, /. In the old spinning disk days, lower partition numberss would be faster than higher. so you wanted boot and system files on the faster ones, and say, movies on a slower |
| 19:10.27 | jelly | sorry. If you skip /boot then your boot loader needs to understand and open luks on its own |
| 19:10.47 | at0m | SSD is equally fast everywhere and it likes to do its own r/w levelling |
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| 19:12.38 | bezaban | was it a requirement or a recommendation back then to keep /boot within a certain range of sectors from the beginning of the drive? |
| 19:12.52 | bezaban | think it was a requirement |
| 19:13.20 | bezaban | or maybe only had to be the first or primary partition |
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| 19:15.19 | f0ff | bezaban, well it's all bootstrapping.. :-) |
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| 19:15.49 | unknown__ | Does Debian 9 have an MTA installed by default and if so, which? |
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| 19:17.07 | annadane | i don't think so because the bug report asks if you have a mail transport agent |
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| 19:17.23 | annadane | you might have one with your DE... but the short answer is i don't know so i shouldn't answer this question |
| 19:17.33 | unknown__ | lol |
| 19:18.06 | unknown__ | Well exim certainly isn't installed by default.... so.... just wondering if there is another. |
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| 19:18.18 | bezaban | 8 was exim, not sure I've installed 9 freshly |
| 19:19.06 | jelly | unknown__: no, and exim4-daemon-light gets pulled in by default |
| 19:19.18 | jelly | if something depends on a MTA (like cron) |
| 19:19.19 | bezaban | unknown__: does 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' yield anything? |
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| 19:19.46 | jelly | unknown__: do you need local delivery, or remote, or both? |
| 19:20.06 | jelly | unknown__: do you need to be able to accept smtp from outside this machine? |
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| 19:20.46 | unknown__ | bezaban, I just did an install of Debian 9 and check with apt-get with the following: Package 'exim4-daemon-light' is not installed, so not removed. |
| 19:21.12 | unknown__ | jelly. Nope, just do not want an MTA installed by default. |
| 19:21.22 | unknown__ | which appears to be the case in Debian 9. |
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| 19:21.45 | jelly | unknown__: no minimal install of Debian has pulled in a MTA in a very long time |
| 19:22.07 | unknown__ | jelly. oh okay. thanks. |
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| 19:24.33 | jhutchins_wk | I seem to recall that "mail server" is one of the options on the installer. |
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| 19:27.38 | annadane | jhutchins_wk, yes, that's correct |
| 19:27.38 | f0ff | i think you get exim if you choose the "base/std" option, but it is just for localhost.. |
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| 19:33.46 | guardian | hello, trying to ask here. Is someone aware of a behavior change between Wheezy and Stretch, regarding logrotate? Previously I received mails titled foo.log and now I'm receiving emails titled foo.366.log.gz -- with rotate 365 |
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| 19:39.13 | zophyx_ | well... gandi is unable to do buisness anymore.. so who is the next best recommended domain registrar ? |
| 19:39.29 | zophyx_ | any suggestions ? |
| 19:39.36 | apollo13 | I like http://inwx.de/ |
| 19:39.56 | zophyx_ | thnx, i'll check it ! |
| 19:40.09 | somiaj | this might not be the best place to discuss domain registers. The best will depend on needs, etc. |
| 19:40.29 | jhutchins_wk | zophyx_: look in /usr/share/doc/logrotate/* |
| 19:40.51 | jhutchins_wk | zophyx_:sorry |
| 19:41.01 | jhutchins_wk | guardian: look in /usr/share/doc/logrotate/* |
| 19:41.04 | zophyx_ | jhutchins_wk, no prob |
| 19:41.25 | jhutchins_wk | guardian: logrotate has features that are new to me (but I started a long time ago). |
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| 19:44.04 | jhutchins_wk | guardian: You should be getting the oldest log, which will be 365 + 1. You should have log.1 - log-365 in the log folder. |
| 19:44.31 | jhutchins_wk | guardian: You can tell it to send the newest log instead, see man logrotate. |
| 19:46.08 | preaction | where is gandi unable to do business? |
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| 19:46.56 | guardian | will look |
| 19:47.36 | bezaban | preaction: not quite on topic, might be something for #debian-offtopic, but typically places there are trade embargos iran, north korea, afghanistan etc. Doesn't mean they can't be connected to from there though. |
| 19:48.08 | bezaban | but 'where' is pretty ambigious in the context of the internet |
| 19:48.32 | bezaban | oh, missed the context. |
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| 19:55.13 | nullbyte_ | how can i get an ip from a facebook user |
| 19:55.29 | greycat | ask nicely? |
| 19:55.45 | _ssl | Hi, I'm trying to get an hdd working with an external usb enclosure. at first, it's recognized nicely and can list the files etc. but as soon as I try to open a file or write something, it takes ages and fails eventually with dmesg showing stuff like this: https://pastebin.com/j3iXdpb3 |
| 19:55.53 | _ssl | it's also noteworthy that this exact drive works flawlessly with a different usb enclosure and also a differnet drive works nicely with this enclosure, so it seems some incompatibility between this exact drive and this exact usb-sata bridge. |
| 19:55.56 | _ssl | is there some way of turning down some compatibility settings to try and make it work? |
| 19:56.39 | annadane | nullbyte_, that isn't a debian support question |
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| 19:56.45 | annadane | this is not a channel for hacking |
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| 19:59.06 | zophyx_ | man, i volunteer to be a noise filter for this channel |
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| 19:59.29 | nkuttler | you just added noise, congrats |
| 19:59.51 | zophyx_ | ask me a debian question, any debian question |
| 20:00.21 | Ormu | :O |
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| 20:00.55 | greycat | zophyx_: how do I get w3m to wrap lines at the edge of the terminal so I don't have to shift back and forth with < > constantly |
| 20:01.53 | zophyx_ | greycat, seriously is that a question about debian ? |
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| 20:02.29 | zophyx_ | greycat, what do you read that you would want to use w3m for ? |
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| 20:02.51 | greycat | People's paste URLs. In this channel. |
| 20:03.29 | zophyx_ | but.. w3m is limited in a myriad of ways.. |
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| 20:03.39 | greycat | Every other terminal browser has failed to open some https:// sites since the Great HTTPS Fuckover |
| 20:03.42 | Paul-- | hello |
| 20:03.46 | Paul-- | !rep |
| 20:03.46 | dpkg | it has been said that rep is a lisp-liked scripting language used essentially by the Sawfish window manager |
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| 20:03.55 | nkuttler | greycat: w3m wraps just fine to me. which urls are you opening? |
| 20:04.14 | greycat | Any of the posts on http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 20:04.14 | Ormu | great https what? |
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| 20:04.35 | nkuttler | greycat: well, those are probably wrapped in <pre>, so browser is doing what it should |
| 20:04.42 | greycat | Oh hmm, lynx in stretch can open https://paste.debian.net/ now... |
| 20:04.42 | Ormu | :o |
| 20:04.47 | greycat | that's NEW |
| 20:05.02 | Paul-- | repository deb9 ? |
| 20:05.15 | greycat | If lynx is working again maybe I can just switch back to that. |
| 20:05.17 | Paul-- | I mean not-free too |
| 20:05.40 | Paul-- | links2 is better |
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| 20:07.45 | jhutchins_wk | _ssl: Which kernel do you have? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1584557 |
| 20:07.48 | greycat | Yeah, lynx in jessie cannot open https://paste.debian.net/ so this appears to be a fix in stretch. |
| 20:08.01 | jhutchins_wk | _ssl: It's a Seagate drive or enclosure, right? |
| 20:08.21 | Paul-- | lynx is oldest |
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| 20:08.44 | Paul-- | it's 20yo and more, links2 -g with frame buffer |
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| 20:08.58 | Paul-- | if u mean without xorg |
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| 20:09.05 | TrapMaid | k so it's asking me if it should install grub. I have windows 10 and nothing else but it lists "windows vista, windows vista, ms-dos 5.x/6.x/win3.1" is this a normal thing for 10 to be recognized as? |
| 20:09.11 | _ssl | jhutchins_wk no, it's an HGST drive and some generic enclosure. I'm using 4.9.50 kernel |
| 20:09.11 | zophyx_ | wuv's links2 |
| 20:09.36 | greycat | I do not want pictures when I open people's pastebin-spam URLs. I want NO javascript, NO pictures, NOTHING that would require me to use brain bleach. |
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| 20:10.00 | jhutchins_wk | Hm, so that bug probably doesn't apply, though it causes similar symptoms. |
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| 20:10.08 | greycat | Just show me the god damned text with no frills, no markup, no whirling adverisements, NOTHING. |
| 20:10.09 | zophyx_ | greycat, go to my website, pure white out |
| 20:10.15 | TrapMaid | greycat you could always give firefox the noscript addon and block the img tag as well. |
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| 20:10.27 | _ssl | jhutchins_wk anything I could try out? |
| 20:10.37 | _ssl | workaround-wise |
| 20:10.45 | zophyx_ | google still owes $600 from my google ads on my old pastebin site |
| 20:10.45 | greycat | Nope, just gonna go dig up my "oldlynx" shell function and move it over here. |
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| 20:11.47 | _ssl | jhutchins_wk I actually already tried the uas quirks setting, and it just gives a different error, but still same behaviour of the drive |
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| 20:12.12 | jelly | greycat: jessie links2 (openssl) works; elinks (gnutls) and lynx (gnutls) do not |
| 20:12.20 | TrapMaid | anyway, so is it safe to install grub or is it reading my system wrong? |
| 20:12.22 | Guest59897 | Hi |
| 20:12.25 | jhutchins_wk | _ssl: You might read through that bugreport, people experienced it in later kernels as well but posted a couple of workarounds. |
| 20:12.28 | Guest59897 | Hello |
| 20:12.37 | Paul--_ | links too |
| 20:12.38 | Guest59897 | Have any channel gnome ? |
| 20:12.46 | Guest59897 | I'm have problem wich gnome subtitles |
| 20:12.52 | jhutchins_wk | _ssl: I see you've at least looked at it. |
| 20:13.00 | Paul--_ | pls a link with repo for debian 9 |
| 20:13.14 | jhutchins_wk | !ig |
| 20:13.24 | Juon | I'm try to build of the source |
| 20:13.34 | jhutchins_wk | dpkg: tell Paul--_ about install guide |
| 20:13.34 | Juon | I'm will solvind the dependences |
| 20:13.38 | Juon | But show it |
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| 20:14.08 | Juon | https://paste.gnome.org/pqx7myrsv |
| 20:14.12 | jhutchins_wk | dpkg: tell Paul--_ about installation guide |
| 20:14.15 | ongy | Hi, I'm trying to set up a system with efistub, an encrypted root parition and btrfs. do you by chance know the right arguments to add in the efi commandline to unlock my partition and then mount a btrfs subvolume as rootfs? |
| 20:14.28 | _ssl | jhutchins_wk yes, I actually researched and tried all sorts of stuff already, asking here was my last resort |
| 20:14.38 | Juon | Sorry guys, |
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| 20:15.54 | greycat | stretch elinks still fails to open https://paste.debian.net/ |
| 20:16.09 | jhutchins_wk | _ssl: I think the answer is "funky poorly implemented hardware". |
| 20:16.22 | jelly | greycat: pfffft |
| 20:16.35 | greycat | oldlynx works but I still get an annoying "SSL error:The certificate is NOT trusted. ...Continue? (n)" message on every single friggin' page load. |
| 20:16.41 | jelly | didn't try w3m. Hate w3m's bindings. |
| 20:16.57 | _ssl | jhutchins_wk I was afraid that'd be the answer :( |
| 20:17.01 | greycat | w3m's bindings take a LOT of adjustment and I have not found ANY way to make it wrap lines yet. |
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| 20:18.43 | greycat | lynx (without the "old" bit) doesn't seem to give me that SSL error, but it's nauseating with all those fucking colors |
| 20:19.18 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Hard to get a good monochrome monitor these days. |
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| 20:20.58 | jelly | who DOESN'T have a physical RS232 terminal for that old monochrome feeling |
| 20:21.35 | TrapMaid | gahh. googles no help. i cant even find a listing of what grub should see win10 as. |
| 20:22.03 | greycat | So, why does creating a temporary lynx config with DEFAULT_COLORS:off and COLOR_STYLE: and NESTED_TABLES:off cause SSL errors? |
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| 20:22.55 | jelly | *magic* |
| 20:23.00 | Alucard4200 | hi |
| 20:23.01 | jhutchins_wk | _ssl: Unfortunately true of a lot of inexpensive USB hardware. Also common in network hardware. |
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| 20:23.53 | jhutchins_wk | ... and laptops suspend features. |
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| 20:33.47 | greycat | OK, the temporary lynx config has to contain SSL_CERT_FILE:/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt as well as the color-reduction lines. |
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| 20:34.28 | nkuttler | that sounds like it should be a default value |
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| 21:18.18 | TrapMaid | can anyone confirm what the debian installer should see windows 10 as during the install grub step? |
| 21:19.06 | greycat | During the installer it doesn't really matter. If it's not on your menu after installation is *complete*, boot into Debian normally, make sure os-prober is installed, and rerun update-grub. |
| 21:19.58 | TrapMaid | so it's safe to install grub to first harddrive? |
| 21:20.16 | greycat | GRUB has to be installed to the drive that your firmware (or BIOS) is going to try to boot. |
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| 21:21.39 | jelly | grub for UEFI is just an app added to UEFI's boot options, gets installed in the existing EFI partition |
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| 21:22.11 | TrapMaid | i'm not using uefi because it said that would break win10. |
| 21:22.46 | jelly | it would only break win10 if it was already installed onto a system configured for legacy boot |
| 21:23.27 | jelly | and typically windows uses uefi if it finds it at install time |
| 21:24.11 | gunix | ,v telepathy |
| 21:24.12 | judd | No package named 'telepathy' was found in amd64. |
| 21:24.28 | gunix | ,v kde-telepathy |
| 21:24.30 | jelly | gunix: /msg judd v stuff works as well |
| 21:24.31 | judd | Package: kde-telepathy on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.4.0; jessie: 0.8.1; sid: 15.08.3 |
| 21:24.39 | gunix | jelly: thank you |
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| 21:26.25 | Kevin` | so, I found a bug today. this bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=590895 . poking at it a little reveals some questions.. is there intended to be a difference between `halt` and `poweroff`? if not, how does one "halt" a modern linux system? |
| 21:26.26 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/590895 in sysvinit-core (open): «sysvinit: shutdown -hP sets INIT_HALT to POWERDOWN not POWEROFF»; severity: normal; opened: 2010-07-29; last modified: 2016-07-17. |
| 21:27.11 | Kevin` | also, not being familiar with debian's workflow, what's the clean way to make local changes to system packages |
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| 21:28.04 | jelly | Kevin`: depending on the hardware platform, a halt may return the machine to boot firmware control |
| 21:28.05 | greycat | extract deb source for the package, make your change, make an entry in changelog giving a new version number somehow identifying that it's a locally modified package, rebuild the package |
| 21:28.34 | TrapMaid | what the heck? it wont let me click on any files or folders when trying to tell it where to load the desktop wallpaper from. |
| 21:28.38 | jelly | !package rebuild |
| 21:28.38 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
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| 21:29.38 | greycat | There's a "dch" program, or something, to help you edit the debian changelog in the correct format. |
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| 21:30.36 | chomwitt | in jessie 8.9 interactive shell of php ($ php -a) segfaults continuoulsy |
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| 21:32.21 | Kevin` | jelly: the firmware is in the project scope here. how is that information indicated to the hardware? I don't see any difference in scrips |
| 21:32.23 | Kevin` | scripts |
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| 21:35.14 | TrapMaid | ...i don't have sudo. how do you install sudo if apt requires sudo? :P |
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| 21:37.00 | annadane | apt doesn't require sudo |
| 21:37.09 | annadane | you can just apt install sudo |
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| 21:37.37 | chomwitt | export USE_ZEND_ALLOC=0 did the trick . strange though that the installation scripts wont take care of that |
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| 21:42.54 | TrapMaid | annadane, really? any time i've tried to apt from a non root profile it's told me i didn't have adequat4e privileges. |
| 21:43.56 | annadane | right, you need root privileges to use sudo |
| 21:44.00 | annadane | er |
| 21:44.02 | annadane | to use apt |
| 21:44.18 | annadane | but you can install sudo just using apt install sudo which i assumed was the question |
| 21:44.40 | annadane | i assume you're your own root because you were installing earlier; did you add a root password? |
| 21:44.57 | TrapMaid | if apt requires root priv why wouldn't you need to sudo? i must be missing something. |
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| 21:45.09 | Kevin` | TrapMaid: sudo is not the only way to become root |
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| 21:45.16 | annadane | well, because you log in as root by su or su - |
| 21:45.21 | annadane | and then use apt |
| 21:45.22 | TrapMaid | yeah i added a root password. i ended up using su to install sudo. *shrug* |
| 21:45.46 | TrapMaid | ahh so su is what you meant. K. :P |
| 21:46.08 | LtL | TrapMaid: you can become root and avoid sudo at any time. so becoome root type 'su -' then root's pw |
| 21:46.12 | annadane | su is root. sudo is a user on that system which is given partial or complete root privileges on the behest of the root owner |
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| 21:47.16 | TrapMaid | what's the - do? we never used that at un |
| 21:47.20 | TrapMaid | uni* |
| 21:47.21 | User837 | Hi, i am facing a big trouble with my debian stretch server, its in production mode, every X number of days the whole server freezes and i cant do anything about it, after a reboot i checked the log files, nothing useful. |
| 21:48.11 | LtL | TrapMaid: it will put you in the proper environment put simply. |
| 21:49.26 | LtL | TrapMaid: you'll notice you will be in the /root/ dir when done, type 'whomami' should say root. dont forget to exit root when finished |
| 21:49.30 | User837 | i have no idea why this is happening, i only have vmware application on it, i was using jessie before and i just upgraded to stretch, on jessie i was using zfs-fuse after the upgrade i switched to zfs-dkms, that the only diffrence |
| 21:49.53 | Kevin` | User837: bmc system status for obvious errors, check ram. if you don't have a serial console set up that gets kernel messages, enable one (eg, with ipmi SoL) |
| 21:50.40 | TrapMaid | LtL yeah i know how to use su just not what the - part did. |
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| 21:51.11 | annadane | i personally haven't bothered with su - but it has its uses |
| 21:52.21 | LtL | TrapMaid: to use sudo, install sudo then as root type 'adduser username sudo' |
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| 21:52.51 | Maid-Chan | lolz I just edited the sudoers file. :P |
| 21:53.19 | LtL | TrapMaid: using sudo while being root would be silly - fyi in advance |
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| 21:53.37 | Maid-Chan | lolz indeed. :P |
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| 21:54.37 | at0m | LtL: not if you want to run as another user.. |
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| 21:55.20 | LtL | at0m: you can su to another user as any user if you have the password iirc |
| 21:55.22 | annadane | right, if you wanted your other user to also be you and also have full root privileges |
| 21:55.34 | User837 | Kevin`: i would like to add that the network card also seem froozen, i cant ping the host anymore, i didnt check the led on the network card, i will nextime though |
| 21:55.36 | annadane | ah that is also true |
| 21:55.38 | at0m | LtL: sure, but for example system users don't have a pw |
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| 21:55.50 | LtL | at0m: true |
| 21:56.17 | Maid-Chan | ok where can i find a list of suggested sources? i need the one that would hve the amd/ati firm. |
| 21:56.37 | annadane | Maid-Chan, firmware is just adding contrib and non-free to your sources list |
| 21:57.02 | annadane | https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList scroll down to example sources list |
| 21:57.39 | annadane | and you can find out what you need by dmesg | grep firmware and then using apt-cache search <name of firmware> to find the package name |
| 21:57.48 | Maid-Chan | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates contrib non-free main << like that? |
| 21:58.00 | annadane | yep, just add that to every line |
| 21:59.34 | Maid-Chan | i need to remove the constant password nagging on sudo. :P |
| 22:00.16 | annadane | sudo -i i believe? |
| 22:01.20 | Maid-Chan | how do i get the <name of firmware>? |
| 22:01.39 | annadane | so if you first of all look at dmesg | grep firmware |
| 22:01.52 | annadane | may want to put it on paste.debian.net so we can take a look at it |
| 22:02.07 | Maid-Chan | ohh lolz. i misunderstood. :P the first command gives me <name of> :P |
| 22:02.23 | annadane | just an example. :) |
| 22:02.33 | gunix | hey annadane, how are you today? |
| 22:02.41 | gunix | how come you are so active on freenode? :D |
| 22:03.00 | annadane | gunix, #offtopic |
| 22:03.33 | gunix | that was a polite introduction to what i am aboutto ask |
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| 22:04.46 | gunix | i used luks to encrypt a LV which i use for my downloads. all i have encrypted is /home/gunix/Downloads. I don't want to encrypt /home/gunix, because that would mean bad performance and i don't require encryption for everything ... but the problem is, transmission is keeping somewhere metadata about torrents and i don't know where. any ideea? |
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| 22:06.59 | Maid-Chan | do i need to reboot? |
| 22:07.27 | annadane | Maid-Chan, after installing firmware? yes |
| 22:07.53 | dondelelcaro | Maid-Chan: you could alternatively just reload the module, but rebooting might be easier. |
| 22:08.19 | Maid-Chan | bummer. that means i gotta leave chat...well on this computer anyway. see you guys in a bit. :P |
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| 22:09.00 | annadane | ( |
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| 22:19.05 | Maid-Chan | hrm sudo -i doesn't seem to do it. It just logs into root like su does. |
| 22:19.54 | annadane | i'm skimming the man page for sudo now |
| 22:20.19 | annadane | i mean, isn't the default behavior of sudo not to password prompt every time? i'm not sure |
| 22:21.07 | Maid-Chan | every time in a new terminal window at least. |
| 22:21.23 | krytarik | lol |
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| 22:21.59 | annadane | well, try the same terminal |
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| 22:22.21 | Maid-Chan | well what i'm after is like on raspberry pi where it just never asks. :P |
| 22:22.33 | annadane | i'm sure there's probably a way |
| 22:22.39 | annadane | but you'll have to ask the non idiots instead of me |
| 22:23.26 | awal1 | so apt is basically a mix of apt-get and apt-cache and uses them in the background? |
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| 22:25.17 | Maid-Chan | turns out you just add to the sudoers file > [USERNAME] ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 22:25.37 | annadane | wait, i didn't bother checking the wiki, it's probably in there too |
| 22:25.42 | annadane | sigh |
| 22:25.45 | annadane | stops talking |
| 22:26.07 | Maid-Chan | thanx for tryina help at any rate. :P |
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| 22:30.38 | krytarik | Well tbh, in this case not getting it would have been better.. :P |
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| 22:31.49 | krytarik | Imagine any random scripts just 'sudo'ing things you don't know of or want. |
| 22:35.54 | at0m | or some browser java script from random site |
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| 22:36.34 | annadane | i probably should have included "don't do that" in there |
| 22:36.45 | annadane | people who ask "how do i stop using passwords" are asking for problems |
| 22:36.55 | annadane | Maid-Chan, ^ |
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| 22:39.55 | tw | What's the likelyhood sudo has your credentials cached this very instant? |
| 22:39.57 | Maid-Chan | i figure it should be fine to do while i'm in the 1000 sudo and reboot phase and then roll it back after. |
| 22:40.25 | tw | Everything is a balance between convenience and security. |
| 22:41.15 | annadane | yup |
| 22:41.22 | Maid-Chan | also why do people fuss so much about javascripts? don't people use noscript? |
| 22:41.47 | annadane | but yes the entire point of root is not to use root unless you need it |
| 22:41.50 | at0m | sure, i do. |
| 22:42.04 | at0m | Maid-Chan: ^ |
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| 22:45.35 | Maid-Chan | man i hate this part of installing a new OS. all the downloading and rebooting... |
| 22:45.41 | tw | I probably have sudo unlocked all the time these days. The makefile for this qt5 designer plugin installs it in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/designer which is apparently the only place it will search for designer plugins. |
| 22:46.23 | annadane | Maid-Chan, if you install needrestart it'll tell you what needs to be rebooted/restarted; you don't need to do it for every single package |
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| 22:47.03 | annadane | firmware aside if you're using stable you probably almost never need to actually reboot |
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| 22:47.23 | Maid-Chan | another problem is remembering what all you need to install. ohh hey i'll need discord. that's on linux right? |
| 22:48.04 | annadane | i suspect so, i don't know... i just use the website version of it |
| 22:48.20 | tw | there are user-robots for discord. |
| 22:48.30 | tw | I don't think anything that does voice. |
| 22:48.34 | annadane | don't install the .deb |
| 22:48.38 | annadane | i see it has a tar |
| 22:49.11 | Maid-Chan | there is some problem with the website and my isp. i can't use voice channels. |
| 22:49.27 | tw | you can try the flatpak for discord. I've had good luck with flatpaks in general. |
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| 22:54.00 | Maid-Chan | is there a reason you said not ot use the deb? |
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| 22:57.18 | gardotjar | If you create a custom drive for all your program installs it'll cutdown the amount you have to reinstall after os swapping |
| 22:57.38 | annadane | because the point of a repository is that what you install is trusted and also the dependencies have been checked |
| 22:57.59 | annadane | installing .debs from random websites is bad |
| 22:58.12 | annadane | !don't break debian |
| 22:58.12 | dpkg | it has been said that dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 23:00.25 | gardotjar | repositories sound nice but at this point there are so many of them that they are becoming a pain in the ass |
| 23:00.51 | Maid-Chan | well i apparently already broke debian without even doing that. moved my panels around and now all the gui is flipping out. |
| 23:01.01 | annadane | what? |
| 23:01.13 | annadane | "repository" means the official debian repository |
| 23:01.31 | Maid-Chan | ok apparently it only complains if i try to have 2 windows restored at once. |
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| 23:03.38 | annadane | people have varying degrees of comfort about adding repositories outside debian but if you want a safe system it's better not to do it, which doesn't mean it's absolutely never safe in all circumstances |
| 23:04.05 | annadane | that's just my preference |
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| 23:06.20 | Maid-Chan | hrm. well at any rate i'mma hafta find this flatpak. |
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