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| 00:04.25 | Henry151 | hmm.. just had another thought; the file in question was a .html file, and I viewed it in firefox. Wouldn't it be in a cache somewhere? |
| 00:04.47 | Henry151 | I see it in my history, with an address like file://home/henry/documents/file.html |
| 00:04.53 | Henry151 | but it's been deleted |
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| 00:06.25 | nvz | firefox has a cache size limit and depending on config may also clear on exit |
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| 01:20.42 | bazhang | ,v etcher |
| 01:20.43 | judd | No package named 'etcher' was found in amd64. |
| 01:21.03 | bazhang | thats a shame |
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| 01:22.35 | drinks2go | bazhang there's an appimage for etcher |
| 01:22.52 | drinks2go | bazhang not sure if that helps you at all. |
| 01:23.21 | bazhang | drinks2go, it does! |
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| 01:23.26 | bazhang | thanks! |
| 01:24.03 | drinks2go | bazhang warning you may or may not be able to get it working. Someone I was talking to the other day was having issues. But he was drunk :S |
| 01:24.12 | mnuhmnuh | apt-file search fetcher == "emboss: /usr/bin/stretcher"; install emboss? |
| 01:24.25 | bazhang | heh |
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| 01:24.33 | bazhang | yeah already used it |
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| 01:24.48 | R4d0n | hi |
| 01:25.19 | mnuhmnuh | oops. stretcher != etcher |
| 01:25.52 | drinks2go | I thought huuuuuh |
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| 01:26.54 | reigndeku | hello |
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| 01:29.38 | drinks2go | :o |
| 01:31.08 | bazhang | never need a stretcher with etcher, unlike unetbootin |
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| 01:35.53 | kion | has anybody got chromecast to work under Debian? |
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| 02:05.19 | ranix | what's not working |
| 02:06.22 | drinks2go | kion |
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| 02:07.39 | Trap-Chan | well new error when tring to mount the share. host is down. |
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| 02:11.33 | kion | drinks2go, whats up? |
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| 02:11.40 | drinks2go | ranix |
| 02:11.57 | drinks2go | i believe he asked you what's not working |
| 02:12.02 | drinks2go | re chromecast |
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| 02:12.40 | jgh | Is 4.9 going to be forever the linux on stretchy? |
| 02:13.10 | jgh | Like, if I install the linux-image metapackage, which seems to be the most linux I can find, I'll always stay on 4.9 plus security fixes? |
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| 02:13.30 | nkuttler | !tell jgh about backports |
| 02:13.37 | jgh | No, that's what I *don't* want. |
| 02:13.54 | jgh | I want reassurance that I'll never get off 4.9 as long as I stay off backports. |
| 02:14.31 | jgh | Else I'll just stay away from the metapackage. |
| 02:16.37 | coruja | jgh, it will |
| 02:17.20 | jgh | It will stay or it will move? |
| 02:17.26 | coruja | stay |
| 02:17.29 | jgh | \o/ |
| 02:17.31 | jgh | Excellent. |
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| 02:20.28 | coruja | software in stable will never get version upgrades, only fixes for the versions installed (with very few exceptions which must have very good reasons) |
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| 02:26.13 | jgh | I think at one point I installed a linux metapackage and was getting linux upgrades. Maybe I installed a backported metapackage. |
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| 02:34.04 | kajika | Can it be a problem to upgrade the linux kernel? I'm curious... |
| 02:34.24 | jgh | I get a bunch of random instability with different linux versions. |
| 02:34.54 | jgh | Sometimes suspend doesn't work right, sometimes it takes a long time to change video modes, sometimes my touchpad dies after a suspend. |
| 02:35.05 | jgh | I had trouble with 4.7 and 4.11 |
| 02:35.18 | jgh | But linux 4.9 seems to be stable so far, and I want it to stay that way for two more years. |
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| 02:38.04 | nvz | jgh: the version will stay the same, but any security paches will be backported into that version |
| 02:38.19 | jgh | That's what I want. |
| 02:38.20 | matheusmello | if there is an official backport it is assumed to be safe. |
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| 02:38.41 | jgh | I suppose safety doesn't take into consideration annoyances. |
| 02:38.47 | jgh | Like the ones I mentioned above. |
| 02:38.48 | nvz | jgh: and that will be much longer than two years because stretch will never change version and will have oldstable long term support for quite some time |
| 02:38.58 | jgh | \o/ |
| 02:39.16 | jgh | stretch is long term support? Is this new? |
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| 02:39.33 | nvz | its fairly recent but the last 3 releases I believe have had LTS |
| 02:39.37 | nvz | !LTS |
| 02:39.38 | dpkg | Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <wheezy-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:40.02 | jgh | Oh, huh, I could have stayed in jessie, eh? |
| 02:40.09 | jgh | s'ok, though, I like stretchy so far. |
| 02:40.16 | nvz | at least until the next release came out.. |
| 02:40.49 | nvz | jessie lts will run out probably in another year |
| 02:41.35 | nvz | well idk I can't remember the release date but I think it was around 2013 which would mean its on LTS until at least next year |
| 02:43.59 | nvz | !jessie lts |
| 02:44.46 | nvz | no apparently jessie was released in 2015 |
| 02:45.12 | nvz | so its got several more years |
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| 02:54.55 | Gamera | what's the latest release? |
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| 02:55.48 | jgh | Stretchie. |
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| 02:56.13 | Gamera | is there a 32bit version of that |
| 02:56.21 | jgh | Of all Debian. |
| 02:56.24 | Gamera | to put on this crud bucket thinkpad |
| 02:56.41 | jgh | Stretch runs wonderfully on my 10-year-old dellbuntu laptop. |
| 02:56.43 | Gamera | not THIS crudbucket, a ten year old one |
| 02:56.55 | Gamera | so it should |
| 02:56.58 | jgh | mate + compiz == bliss |
| 02:57.05 | Gamera | mate? |
| 02:57.11 | jgh | gnome 2 fork |
| 02:57.22 | Gamera | yeah I remember |
| 02:57.30 | Gamera | I was going to try xfce |
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| 02:57.59 | Gamera | it's got 2gb of ram and everything else is fast stuff I harvested out of a giant hp laptop |
| 02:58.12 | Gamera | to go into the smallest footprint, like almost smaller than a netbook |
| 02:58.41 | jgh | Oh, 2 gigs might be small. |
| 02:58.47 | jgh | I have 4 on this one. |
| 02:58.58 | Gamera | it's not possible to put more than 2 in this machine |
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| 03:20.42 | theraspberry | anyone that is running testing/buster have a virtualbox build for 4.12? |
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| 03:23.07 | depois | alguem br? |
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| 03:32.25 | depois | alguem br? |
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| 03:33.07 | jhutchins | !br |
| 03:33.07 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:33.43 | depois | ok amigo vlw =) |
| 03:33.47 | maeslor | huehue |
| 03:33.58 | theraspberry | lol |
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| 03:34.17 | depois | kk |
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| 05:07.30 | OverCoder | uh please |
| 05:07.48 | OverCoder | What kind of an ISO do I need that's not netinst to install Debian |
| 05:07.54 | OverCoder | There's TONS of ISOs |
| 05:08.12 | OverCoder | I just want a basic debian |
| 05:08.21 | jun_ | XFCE is popular among the hacker ethics. |
| 05:08.33 | klys | overcoder, are you burning to dvd+rw? where is your local mirror? |
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| 05:08.59 | OverCoder | klys, I'm burning to a flash drive |
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| 05:09.03 | OverCoder | idk what local mirror |
| 05:09.46 | klys | overcoder, https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-9.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 05:10.00 | OverCoder | DVD 1 would suffice? I don't need any others? |
| 05:10.11 | OverCoder | (also how does it differ from its CD one) |
| 05:10.17 | klys | overcoder, and just use dd or something, not unetbootin |
| 05:10.23 | OverCoder | (because download size is a concern, too) |
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| 05:11.15 | klys | overcoder, I'm not sure what packages are not included on the cd, except I expect you should be able o get a gui out of the first dvd iso |
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| 05:13.35 | OverCoder | hmm |
| 05:14.30 | darxmurf | morning |
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| 05:24.10 | nwe | good morning, |
| 05:24.11 | nwe | has somone any idea why the ubuntu installer doesnt take this (uefi) https://pastebin.com/LmCT10Ma my disk is total on 1.6 TB, and I got an error message you requested |
| 05:24.21 | nwe | 50GB but it´s to small, require atleast 138GB, if I continue the installation it create 1.5 TB / and 128 GB swap.. |
| 05:24.27 | annadane | !ubuntu |
| 05:24.27 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 05:28.14 | depois | BUY DDOS =D |
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| 05:48.02 | buu | How come tsocks errors with the same socks5 user/password that curl -x can use? |
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| 05:55.55 | buu | Also how do I verify compare against a salted passwd from mkpasswed |
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| 06:02.52 | jelly | buu: if you provide the same salt and method, the result hash should be exactly the same |
| 06:03.40 | buu | Yeah, thanks |
| 06:03.50 | buu | I'm confused by tsocks though |
| 06:04.06 | buu | If I want to transparently wrap a program in a socks5 tunnel should I use tsocks or proxychains? |
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| 06:06.22 | jun_ | Whichever isn't hard to config, I would say. |
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| 06:10.32 | buu | tsocks seems easy to config |
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| 06:11.05 | buu | When I use it with curl though I get: 01:10:52 libtsocks(3917): SOCKS authentication failed, check username and password |
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| 06:13.27 | buu | curl -x socks5h://foo:bar@127.0.0.1:1080 |
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| 06:16.56 | buu | Augh |
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| 06:24.17 | Maid-Chan | is there something more like the windows program Bulk Rename Utility than Thunar. Doing batch jobs with Thunar is so slow compared to BRU. |
| 06:25.56 | slax0r | Maid-Chan: man rename |
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| 06:27.49 | endboss | Hi, when I attempt to replace systemd with sysv in stretch, p.much everything else is marked for removal due to dependencies, including lxde. Can I get lxde et al. to depend on sysv instead, or am I just not going to have some things on debian without systemd? |
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| 06:28.30 | jelly | endboss: which commands exactly did you try to use? |
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| 06:28.36 | jelly | !stretch sysvinit |
| 06:28.37 | dpkg | To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again. |
| 06:28.54 | Maid-Chan | slax0r i'm looking for a gui batch utility. |
| 06:30.00 | jelly | if you want to do things quickly in linux, you'll want to use some CLI tools and possibly scripting |
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| 06:30.58 | jelly | windows tools usually have GUIs because that environmnt did not have decent scripting languages by default before PS |
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| 06:31.16 | slax0r | Maid-Chan: pyRenamer is gui, don't know how it performs |
| 06:31.21 | Maid-Chan | CLI and scripting definitely has it's advantages but I enjoy having a degree of wysiwyg to batch rename operations to know ahead of time how my files will come out. |
| 06:31.50 | jelly | rename (perl rename in debian by default) has a dry run option |
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| 06:32.01 | endboss | jelly: I first installed the sysvinit packages and removed systemd ones, then rebooted, then saw a last systemd package still installed, marked it for removal, and when I executed I had all but a shell and basic utils removed from my install because of their dependency on systemd, and even a barebones wm like lxde won't install w/o bringing systemd along again. I did this on aptitude so IDK |
| 06:32.01 | endboss | the commands |
| 06:32.31 | Maid-Chan | dry run isn't quite the same as a live preview of changes. |
| 06:33.18 | jelly | endboss: aptitude should have told you it was going to remove lots of stuff, did it not? |
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| 06:34.19 | jun_ | He's looking for low-level help that provides high-level output. |
| 06:34.33 | jun_ | I remember this. |
| 06:34.37 | endboss | jelly: it did, but I thought I'd replaced systemd with sysv, and perhaps deps were going to be ignored |
| 06:34.48 | jelly | you thought wrong |
| 06:35.25 | jun_ | Prolly endgamer. |
| 06:35.43 | jun_ | Really old stuff too. |
| 06:36.05 | jelly | apt* tools only work well when all dependencies are satisfied |
| 06:36.16 | endboss | jun_: Talking about me? |
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| 06:36.28 | jun_ | You were from the start men. |
| 06:37.11 | jelly | endboss: in any case, there was no real need to remove packages any further |
| 06:37.57 | jelly | installing sysvinit-core would have remove systemd-sysv and that's pretty much it |
| 06:38.04 | jun_ | Working in the high-tech field? |
| 06:38.15 | endboss | jelly: OK |
| 06:38.25 | abff | glen works in hig-tech |
| 06:38.35 | abff | high* |
| 06:38.38 | jun_ | I was thinking yeah. |
| 06:38.59 | jun_ | I saboed the banking. Used PS. |
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| 06:39.03 | jelly | jun_: best keep your comments in here to tech support |
| 06:39.14 | jun_ | right. k. |
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| 06:40.26 | jelly | there's #debian-offtopic for pop culture references and similar tangents |
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| 06:40.53 | deadfish | howdy ho! |
| 06:41.04 | klys | hi |
| 06:41.05 | jun_ | There might be some interesting topic about unusual configuration, so I'll just self-manage here. |
| 06:41.20 | klys | !tell jun_ about tl |
| 06:41.45 | jun_ | lol |
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| 06:47.55 | endboss | !tell endboss about tl |
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| 06:59.19 | jun_ | endboss: It's okay man. I've seen sadder events here. |
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| 07:04.34 | Gamera | where is the 32bit stretch |
| 07:04.41 | Gamera | and where is the xfce spin |
| 07:04.44 | Gamera | or whatever it's called |
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| 07:04.51 | endboss | jun_: you high? what's sad about asking for tech help? |
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| 07:05.19 | Gamera | I need the most nonfree iso of xfce debian (whatever the latest one is) |
| 07:05.27 | Gamera | to run on a 10year old laptop |
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| 07:07.00 | Gamera | where is the 32bit xfce iso |
| 07:07.22 | Sveta | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-9.1.0-i386-xfce+nonfree.iso |
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| 07:08.25 | petn-randall | Gamera: Just use the network installer containing firmware, and install xfce. |
| 07:08.46 | petn-randall | Sveta: The live system should not be used for installing, as it contains known bugs. |
| 07:08.50 | jun_ | keeps a gesture reserved for somebody |
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| 07:13.06 | RoyK | Gamera: what sort of laptop/cpu? 32bit wasn't too common even back then |
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| 07:31.42 | jvava | Im installed a package with apt-get, the package contains a file layed in /etc/init.d, but after installed, the file does not appear there, help. |
| 07:33.02 | annadane | jvava, which package/file |
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| 07:33.30 | jvava | annadane, slapd package, /etc/initd.d/slapd |
| 07:33.40 | jvava | it is a implementation of openldap |
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| 07:34.25 | jvava | I have deleted the file and reinstall, but the file is not installed, dont know why |
| 07:34.55 | jvava | annadane, you can try, dpkg -L slapd |
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| 07:44.41 | petn-randall | jvava: If you delete a conffile, dpkg will assume you don't want it back. |
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| 07:45.00 | jvava | petn-randall, thank you |
| 07:45.08 | petn-randall | Let me find the factoid how to fix this |
| 07:45.35 | jvava | can I touch a empty file with the same name, then reinstall the package |
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| 07:45.45 | petn-randall | !deleted config |
| 07:45.45 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 07:45.52 | petn-randall | jvava: Try this. ^^^ |
| 07:46.19 | jvava | petn-randall, great |
| 07:48.51 | jvava | petn-randall, now config files installed, thank you very much |
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| 07:49.00 | petn-randall | jvava: you're welcome! |
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| 08:11.23 | jun_ | jelly: Could you ask endboss if he can help me with personal assistance with PowerPC? |
| 08:11.30 | jun_ | When he's in... |
| 08:12.17 | telnes | hello, what is :; in function foo() { :; } ? |
| 08:12.26 | telnes | ":" ? |
| 08:12.40 | Westcliff | which language? |
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| 08:14.07 | didek | Bash = : is null. |
| 08:14.13 | telnes | bash ok |
| 08:14.26 | telnes | it create an empty function |
| 08:14.31 | telnes | thanks |
| 08:14.39 | petemc | i use it to mean true |
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| 08:15.25 | petemc | placed before a command it can be used to return 0 |
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| 08:15.28 | didek | Its evaluated to be true also - right :) |
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| 08:23.42 | ntz | hello |
| 08:23.54 | jelly | telnes: : is a builtin command that always returns with a successful exit status (0), same as /bin/true |
| 08:24.07 | ntz | can somebody tell me what's lsinput source from input-utils ? |
| 08:24.33 | colo-work | `help :` |
| 08:24.35 | ntz | I can't find it .. not available for suse, I need to build it |
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| 08:31.41 | telnes | jelly thanks |
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| 08:32.32 | klys | ntz, http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/i/input-utils/input-utils_1.0.orig.tar.gz |
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| 08:33.27 | klys | ntz, also input-utils_1.0-1.1.debian.tar.xz to build deb |
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| 08:34.48 | ntz | klys: thanks, downloaded it, perfect :) |
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| 08:37.40 | ntz | thanks & adieu !! |
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| 08:56.27 | JyZyXEL | how do i remove a repository from apt-cacher-ng? |
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| 08:59.14 | JyZyXEL | ah, the 'Delete unreferenced' i presume |
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| 09:03.26 | bachler | hey, does anyone know why there is no rtorrent in testing |
| 09:03.43 | bachler | it is available in unstable and stable but not testing |
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| 09:06.05 | Iridos | what? |
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| 09:06.25 | Iridos | oh, the package |
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| 09:06.36 | bachler | yeah |
| 09:06.52 | Iridos | dpkg, why is rtorrent not in testing |
| 09:06.53 | dpkg | rtorrent is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=rtorrent |
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| 09:08.14 | wondiws | is it possible that a *.deb package overwrites a file of another package? Like if you have both 32 and 64 bit |
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| 09:09.18 | bachler | hmm.. so well, how would i go about it 'the debian way' to get rtorrent in testing then? |
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| 09:10.54 | Iridos | dpkg, ssb |
| 09:10.54 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 09:11.05 | Iridos | well, actually not, I'm not yet awake |
| 09:11.40 | Iridos | bachler, you can just install the one from unstable⦠mixing testing and unstable is fine, because they don't diverge so much as stable and testing/unstable |
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| 09:12.15 | bachler | ok |
| 09:12.19 | Iridos | if you add the unstable repo to your sources.list, you can check the priorities with "apt-cache policy" |
| 09:12.24 | bachler | i was afraid of a franken-debian |
| 09:12.51 | Iridos | yeah, but testing is that all the time anyway |
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| 09:13.21 | Iridos | packages from unstable migrate unchanged from unstable to testing, iirc |
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| 09:13.50 | Iridos | so you're just migrating it earlier |
| 09:14.16 | bachler | ok, ill try it out |
| 09:14.17 | bachler | thanks |
| 09:14.28 | jun_ | slow down... i'm having difficulty focusing... :p |
| 09:14.35 | Iridos | and if you look at apt-cache policy⦠testing should automatically have a higher priority⦠|
| 09:14.51 | Iridos | â¦than unstable |
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| 09:15.18 | wondiws | is it possible that a *.deb package overwrites a file of another package? Like if you have both 32 and 64 bit |
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| 09:16.00 | Iridos | so you usually get packages from testing and only the ones from unstable if you explicitely request it (and its dependencies if needed) |
| 09:16.33 | Iridos | wondiws, no |
| 09:17.04 | Iridos | there are diverts, though |
| 09:17.06 | Iridos | dpkg, divert |
| 09:17.06 | dpkg | Don't try to convince dpkg to overwrite files and don't start playing with "--force" options for dpkg. Instead, "divert" one of the files out of the way so that there is no conflict. See man dpkg-divert and also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-pkg-diversions.html. Working with the package management system is much easier than trying to work against it. |
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| 09:27.05 | jun_ | diversion of delusion maybe. But I'm living with the red pill so I choose the rabbit hole. |
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| 09:28.49 | likcoras | Hi, i'm ruting all my traffic through openvpn (tun0) but I want to allow my qemu hosts (on virbr1) to bypass it and send traffic normally, though enp8s0. How would I handle this? |
| 09:28.53 | likcoras | routing* |
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| 09:32.11 | jun_ | :i |
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| 09:37.24 | nincompoop | hi all, `sudo` has stopped working on my laptop tracking sid. I did `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade` about 12 hours ago, i don't think sudo was even updated. any pointers? |
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| 09:37.55 | apollo13 | nincompoop: this channel is only for stable debian |
| 09:38.22 | nincompoop | apollo13: please accept my sincere apologies |
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| 09:39.45 | petn-randall | nincompoop: What apollo13 meant to say is to ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. |
| 09:39.54 | apollo13 | did I? |
| 09:40.07 | nincompoop | i saw, should have read the chan message properly. debian-next seems invite only, could i trouble someone for an invite? |
| 09:40.15 | nincompoop | ah ok. |
| 09:40.27 | nincompoop | petn-randall: thanks! |
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| 09:45.44 | petn-randall | nincompoop: It's on OFTC, _not_ freenode. |
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| 09:48.22 | Iridos | anyway, I wouldn't say this is for stable *only* ⦠but most guys that run testing/unstable hang out in the other channel and so it's probably more rewarding to ask there⦠|
| 09:49.29 | Iridos | so probably apollo13 wanted to say "if nobody here knows, you may have more success in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net" |
| 09:49.30 | Iridos | ^^ |
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| 09:52.44 | gaurishankar | I want to make a simple Linux box but want to put the data on External usb hard disk. |
| 09:53.02 | gaurishankar | how do i do that and which verson of Linux will be more reliable |
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| 09:53.41 | gaurishankar | can any one guide me a bit on this topic |
| 09:54.32 | kryptoz | @gaurishankar are you looking for something like pendrivelinux.com ? |
| 09:54.34 | likcoras | gaurishankar: so you want to install linux on an external drive? |
| 09:54.42 | gaurishankar | No |
| 09:55.21 | gaurishankar | |I want to install linux on internal drive only. But for Data saving and storage I want to do it External Hard disk |
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| 09:55.34 | gaurishankar | to be used in Linux/MAC and windows envirment |
| 09:55.53 | likcoras | Hm, you could set /home on the external drive during installation |
| 09:55.55 | petn-randall | gaurishankar: What kind of data? |
| 09:55.56 | kryptoz | gaurishankar: maybe use init script to mount usb to /home? |
| 09:56.09 | likcoras | or a separate /data mount. |
| 09:56.28 | gaurishankar | it is excel,word, mail and video stuff |
| 09:56.58 | petn-randall | gaurishankar: Then I'd just do a default install, and plug in the external HDD when you need it. |
| 09:57.07 | likcoras | gaurishankar: in case of debian, install normally except during partitioning when you should make the /home partition on the external drive |
| 09:57.08 | petn-randall | No special setup needed. |
| 09:57.18 | gaurishankar | but how other users access it |
| 09:57.24 | gaurishankar | in the network |
| 09:57.33 | petn-randall | likcoras: /home needs a filesystem with unix permissions, and they're not readable on Windows. |
| 09:57.58 | likcoras | Ooh, huh. |
| 09:58.12 | gaurishankar | ok |
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| 09:58.22 | flapdragon | cucks cucks cucks you all cucks |
| 09:58.40 | petn-randall | flapdragon: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 09:59.03 | flapdragon | petn-randall no. does your mom eat toilet scrotum? |
| 09:59.30 | gaurishankar | ok |
| 09:59.54 | gaurishankar | I want to make it accesible from windows and max and linux as well |
| 10:00.12 | flapdragon | gaurishankar, you are a faggit |
| 10:00.18 | petn-randall | !ops flapdragon is trolling |
| 10:00.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: flapdragon is trolling |
| 10:00.40 | flapdragon | !ops flapdragon flapdragon flapdragon flapdragon flapdragon |
| 10:00.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: flapdragon complains about: flapdragon flapdragon flapdragon flapdragon flapdragon |
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| 10:01.49 | petn-randall | babilen: ta |
| 10:02.00 | gaurishankar | alrite |
| 10:02.02 | babilen | o/ |
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| 10:05.47 | gaurishankar | how do i do automount in peppermint linux |
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| 10:06.24 | gaurishankar | can I create a crone tab to automount the connected hard disk |
| 10:07.55 | likcoras | !not debian |
| 10:07.55 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 10:10.21 | plethora | hi, I have upgraded jessie to stretch. The terminals standard color (forground) has changed to very low contrast. How can I fix that? |
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| 10:10.42 | petn-randall | !peppermint |
| 10:10.42 | dpkg | Peppermint OS is a Linux distribution based on <Lubuntu>. Peppermint Three, Two, One and Ice are not supported in #debian. http://peppermintos.com/ #peppermint on irc.spotchat.org. See also <based on Debian>. |
| 10:10.55 | petn-randall | gaurishankar: Try asking in the right support channel. ^^^ |
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| 10:15.17 | saulll | it looks like the gnome-terminal has the issue. Its very readable (white letters on black background) when the gnome-terminal lost focus (using help->about, not for all actions). If I give back focus to the gnome-terminal I get grey-letters on black background. |
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| 10:17.04 | saulll | now it works for some tabs in the same gnome-terminal session but it does not work for irssi inside the same gnome-terminal |
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| 10:19.42 | likcoras | Are you sure it;s not irssi coloring the terminal? |
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| 10:23.48 | jushur | look at what terminfo irssi uses. |
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| 10:34.09 | saulll | likcoras: jushur what makes me wonder is that the font color is changing depending on whether the terminal has focus or not |
| 10:34.26 | Sveta | petn-randall: re live system should not be used for installing because it contains known bugs: ok, but why does it contain these bugs though? |
| 10:34.32 | saulll | sorry for the delay, it was extremely hard to see there is an answer |
| 10:36.18 | saulll | likcoras: jushur, its not only irssi. Now I have the same behavior in one tab again. |
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| 10:47.50 | throstur | what's the name of the zlib package in debian? so I can install with apt install? |
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| 10:48.06 | throstur | (I'm creating a docker file, don't actually have a debian system to try it on) |
| 10:48.30 | Sveta | ,v glib |
| 10:48.31 | judd | No package named 'glib' was found in amd64. |
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| 10:48.45 | throstur | , zlib |
| 10:48.48 | throstur | ,v zlib |
| 10:48.49 | judd | No package named 'zlib' was found in amd64. |
| 10:48.50 | themill | throstur: depends what you need it for |
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| 10:49.02 | throstur | themill: I'm trying to compile PHP with Zip Archive support, needs zip extension |
| 10:49.05 | throstur | ,v zlib1g-dev |
| 10:49.06 | judd | Package: zlib1g-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.2.7.dfsg-13; jessie: 1:1.2.8.dfsg-2+b1; buster: 1:1.2.8.dfsg-5; sid: 1:1.2.8.dfsg-5; stretch: 1:1.2.8.dfsg-5 |
| 10:49.10 | themill | you'd normally be letting libraries come in as dependencies |
| 10:49.23 | throstur | Docker is annoying and doesn't do it for you :( |
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| 10:52.50 | throstur | themill: https://github.com/docker-library/php/issues/61 look how they resolved this issue... "fixed with documentation" |
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| 10:54.56 | Iridos | well⦠https://packages.debian.org/stretch/php7.0-cgi |
| 10:55.26 | Iridos | and I got there from https://packages.debian.org/stretch/php7.0 (or "php" respectively) |
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| 11:04.52 | crem | What do people typically do with old debian releases? I have jessie (or maybe wheezy?) on my home pc (acting as a headless server), and want to upgrade. Should I update sources.list and do a huge apt-get dist-upgrade, or reinstall from scratch? |
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| 11:05.51 | jun_ | crem: I'd do a dist-upgrade. |
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| 11:06.13 | jun_ | Not sure where the FAQs are for that though. |
| 11:06.36 | amd_0x51 | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 11:06.55 | crem | Thanks. |
| 11:06.57 | amd_0x51 | assuming i386 |
| 11:07.38 | crem | yep, it's 32-bit. Although it's i686 for me, I guess it's the same in this context. |
| 11:08.15 | amd_0x51 | if you find out it's wheezy https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 11:10.54 | gics | hello, can please someone help me understand if passwordless root in MariaDB is the new way to go or if i need to run "mysql_secure_installation" ? I always had a root password on mysql |
| 11:11.15 | Iridos | crem, first check what you have⦠if you do upgrades of much older releases, it is probably easier to reinstall, because you have to do an upgrade to every intermediate release |
| 11:11.26 | gics | is a fresh debian stretch install |
| 11:12.04 | jun_ | I heard MariaDB works the same as MySQL. |
| 11:12.05 | amd_0x51 | that was about something different. I am not familiar with mysql but I would imagine certain things need to be done as root? |
| 11:12.13 | Iridos | crem, if it's jessie, upgrading is the right thing |
| 11:12.21 | Iridos | dpkg, jessie->stretch |
| 11:12.22 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 11:12.41 | crem | It's jessie indeed, so will give it a try with upgrading. |
| 11:12.51 | amd_0x51 | very easy |
| 11:12.56 | gics | jun_, amd_0x51, i found this --> https://mariadb.com/kb/en/the-mariadb-library/moving-from-mysql-to-mariadb-in-debian-9/#secure-passwordless-root-accounts-only-on-new-installs |
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| 11:13.17 | jun_ | Does it work? |
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| 11:13.43 | amd_0x51 | if that is official documentation might be worth following :) |
| 11:13.55 | jun_ | Lots of options. |
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| 11:14.19 | gics | but they don't specify if i need to put a root password myself, or if there is a new mechanism and from now on we don't need anymore to put root password |
| 11:15.08 | jun_ | Probably no root needed, though admin for users would be needed. |
| 11:15.24 | jelly | gics: it's pretty clear it's a new mechanism, they check which uid connected to the unix domain socket |
| 11:16.15 | gics | jelly, so my DBs will be secure even without a root password? cool |
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| 11:17.04 | jelly | gics: only a process from root user is able to connect as mysql root, so yeah |
| 11:17.38 | gics | what confuse me, is they provide a script to change root password called mysql_secure_installation |
| 11:17.45 | gics | https://mariadb.com/kb/en/the-mariadb-library/mysql_secure_installation/ |
| 11:18.48 | jelly | and they say this is enabled by default on fresh debian 9 installs |
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| 11:19.43 | gics | jelly, yes, i can see it in bash |
| 11:20.05 | amd_0x51 | this might seem like a silly question so I apologise. Where can I find good/trusted documentation on running my own server? for practice like with a VM on my local network? |
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| 11:20.25 | jun_ | Where else? The library. |
| 11:20.27 | jun_ | :p |
| 11:20.35 | beardy | !handbook |
| 11:20.35 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also can be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 11:20.39 | amd_0x51 | just to get used to the things that it entails. I am currently building my own home server but it is a hude learning curve |
| 11:20.47 | amd_0x51 | ah :) |
| 11:21.04 | beardy | Start there. :) |
| 11:21.13 | amd_0x51 | thanks beardy |
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| 11:22.29 | beardy | !handbook ~= s/can also can/can also/ |
| 11:22.39 | amd_0x51 | and I did actually try the library but all the entry level books were out. it was all like second edition /advanced use |
| 11:22.39 | beardy | !handbook =^ s/can also can/can also/ |
| 11:22.50 | beardy | !handbook =~ s/can also can/can also/ |
| 11:22.50 | dpkg | beardy: that doesn't contain 'can also can' |
| 11:22.57 | beardy | gives up.. |
| 11:23.58 | jun_ | Har. |
| 11:24.29 | jun_ | It's weird. Not a lot of tasksel's but the stacks are nice when apted right. |
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| 11:25.10 | blackflow | I've installed Buster with gnome desktop, and according to wayland debian wiki I should have a "GNOME on Wayland" session option on login, but there isn't one (only default x11, gnome, gnome classic). How can I try out wayland? |
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| 11:25.46 | towo^work | blackflow, which graka? which driver? testing support is not here |
| 11:25.47 | blackflow | ah I forgot, #debian-next |
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| 11:26.54 | jelly | on OFTC! |
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| 11:27.13 | jelly | dpkg: literal handbook |
| 11:27.13 | dpkg | "handbook" is "<reply>see debian-handbook" |
| 11:27.15 | blackflow | yeah. nvm, I cba to go there :) |
| 11:27.22 | jelly | beardy: ^^ it's a symlink |
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| 11:28.18 | beardy | jelly: Ok, fixed now. |
| 11:28.20 | gics | jelly, ok, ran the script and set a password in the old good way. I think if i can add an extra layer of security is always a good choice. Thanks for your time answering me ;) |
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| 11:32.02 | gics | mmmm, no, wait, i can still login without a root password. That script is useless |
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| 11:33.13 | jelly | gics: try logging in as mysql root from normal user |
| 11:34.12 | gics | jelly, yes yes, access denied, i already tested that when you talked about uid before |
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| 11:35.50 | gics | i take the point of this new way to do things, it's hard when you always used in a different way. So that's why i was a bit skeptic |
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| 11:36.39 | jun_ | Clever gal. |
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| 11:37.57 | gics | jun_, uh? |
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| 11:38.14 | jun_ | (u)(hack)? |
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| 11:39.19 | gics | jun_, i don't get you |
| 11:39.32 | jun_ | Just playing. I'm installing MATE. |
| 11:40.23 | jun_ | You work for the dhcpd server? |
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| 11:41.05 | jun_ | isc... my bad. |
| 11:41.22 | jun_ | needs coffee |
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| 11:44.14 | ksk | hey |
| 11:44.22 | paul_grozav | Hello, does debian have support for "Realtek RTL8723BS Bluetooth Adapter" driver? |
| 11:44.26 | ksk | If I have a big partition an GPT, do I need uefi to boot from it? |
| 11:44.41 | Sveta | paul_grozav: check at h-node.org |
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| 11:46.35 | jun_ | paul_grozav: I'm using a Bluetooth KB/ms combo. |
| 11:47.15 | petn-randall | Sveta: the live system gets a lot less testing, and in the recent month it was discussed to discontinue it due to lack of dev power. |
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| 11:48.12 | paul_grozav | jun_: yes, but I have that hardware, and I don't know if debian has drivers for it. On another machine I can use bluetooth. I'm sure it has "some" bluetooth drivers |
| 11:48.21 | Sveta | petn-randall: isn't it easy to make though? get a debian with xfce on top ? |
| 11:48.30 | jun_ | Yeah, sure. Just need X for it. |
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| 11:49.32 | Gamera | jesus |
| 11:49.36 | Gamera | 11 hours remaining |
| 11:49.44 | Gamera | to get the 32 bit XFCE iso |
| 11:49.57 | Gamera | I have unlimited fibre, what's with these shit debian servers |
| 11:50.29 | paul_grozav | I see lots of rtl8723bs github projects aiming to create such a driver, but I'm not sure if this driver is completely supported, or it's still experimental. It does not seem to be a part of debian |
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| 11:50.46 | paul_grozav | Maybe it's not stable yet |
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| 11:51.11 | jun_ | paul_grozav: I installed using netinst and it supports Bluetooth off-hand even in terminal. |
| 11:51.42 | paul_grozav | jun_ yes, that must be because it had a driver for your software .. |
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| 11:51.57 | paul_grozav | jun_ your hardware* .. |
| 11:52.16 | jun_ | Yeah, I'm pretty sure most/all Bluetooth drivers are supported. |
| 11:52.29 | jun_ | Especially the popular ones. |
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| 11:53.15 | paul_grozav | jun_ : This one is not ... as far as i can see. I've installed debian on this hardware and it does not seem to be able to detect the bluetooth feature |
| 11:53.38 | jun_ | Did you plug in the Bluetooth adapter? |
| 11:53.39 | paul_grozav | jun_ : I'm not sure if it's popular or not |
| 11:54.02 | jun_ | It's like normal USB but with sensors. |
| 11:54.03 | paul_grozav | jun_ : no, it's part of the computer ... it's a tablet pc |
| 11:54.10 | jun_ | Oh. |
| 11:54.13 | paul_grozav | :) |
| 11:54.39 | jun_ | Uh. Tablets aren't supported but I think there's an ARM version somewhere in the repos. |
| 11:54.51 | paul_grozav | jun_ : No, no, it's not an ARM |
| 11:55.03 | paul_grozav | jun_ : It's an x86 architecture |
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| 11:55.10 | jun_ | Y'okay. |
| 11:55.12 | jelly | paul_grozav: what does "lspci -nn" look like on that system |
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| 11:55.41 | jelly | cherry trail and similar may not have full hw support |
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| 11:56.11 | jelly | or maybe there's an acpi button to push to enable and "connect" bt hardware |
| 11:56.29 | jelly | or maybe it's a combo wifi+bt card that wakes up in wifi only mode |
| 11:57.04 | gics | paul_grozav, have you already checked this? --> https://github.com/hadess/rtl8723bs/wiki/RTL8723BS-module-building-instruction-for-Debian-GNU-Linux |
| 11:57.15 | jelly | !RTL8723BS |
| 11:57.16 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8723BS is an SDIO 2.0/3.0 system on chip providing 802.11n wireless LAN and Bluetooth 4.0 functions. Supported by the out-of-tree rtl8723bs Linux kernel driver (requires Linux 3.19 or later), ask me about <rtl8723bs install>. https://github.com/hadess/rtl8723bs |
| 11:57.33 | jelly | !rtl8723bs install |
| 11:57.33 | dpkg | For Debian 8 "Jessie" systems, requires Linux 3.19 or later (ask me about <bdo kernel>). «apt-get install build-essential git && apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` && git clone https://github.com/hadess/rtl8723bs.git && cd rtl8723bs && make && make install && depmod -a && modprobe r8723bs». |
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| 11:58.07 | jelly | paul_grozav: ^^ skip the bdo kernel part, stretch has 4.9 and that's newer than 3.19 |
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| 11:58.25 | gics | btw, what is bdo kernel? |
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| 11:58.32 | paul_grozav | jelly: I have the lspci output, i'll paste it in a paste bin, just a sec |
| 11:58.39 | jelly | gics: /msg dpkg backports and /msg dpkg bdo kernel |
| 11:58.50 | paul_grozav | jelly: https://pastebin.com/ujiF7Bte |
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| 11:59.19 | jelly | the bot says it's SDIO so it won't be visible on PCI/PCIe bus anyway |
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| 11:59.48 | jelly | and it's not |
| 12:00.04 | paul_grozav | jelly: Should I run that sequence of commands then? Should it work ? |
| 12:00.21 | jelly | yes; no idea, Try It And See⢠|
| 12:00.46 | jelly | presumably it had worked for someone with jessie, else we wouldn't have added it to the bot |
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| 12:01.13 | jelly | paul_grozav: if you confirm it works, we can change the factoid to say "jessie and later" :-) |
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| 12:04.51 | g0zzy | For some reason mysql-server won't start (mariadb prob) http://sprunge.us/CbXN How do i troubleshoot this? |
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| 12:06.08 | jelly | g0zzy: which debian release is this; are there more details about mysqld in /var/log/daemon.log ? |
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| 12:07.31 | gics | g0zzy, start with "journalctl -u mariadb.service" or "tail -f /var/log/mysql/error.log" |
| 12:07.50 | g0zzy | Stretch |
| 12:08.29 | g0zzy | Actually nothing is written to the mysql error log |
| 12:09.01 | paul_grozav | jelly: It fails at the last step: "modprobe: FATAL: Module r8723bs not found in directory /lib/modules/4.9.0-3-686-pae" |
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| 12:12.27 | jelly | paul_grozav: verify the module is really called r8723bs and not maybe rtl8723bs |
| 12:13.01 | jelly | paul_grozav: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name '*8723*.ko' |
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| 12:13.09 | g0zzy | is fortunately in a position to purge and reinstall |
| 12:14.01 | gics | g0zzy, firewall is blocking localhost on 3306? journalctl say nothing? |
| 12:14.15 | jelly | paul_grozav: see if you can find your freshly installed 8723bs thing there |
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| 12:16.00 | paul_grozav | jelly : https://pastebin.com/RvmvfXWy It found multiple files ... I did try multiple drivers I found on the internet |
| 12:17.30 | g0zzy | gics: nah ;) |
| 12:17.39 | g0zzy | has nuked it |
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| 12:19.57 | g0zzy | Uh oh. Purged, rm -rf /var/lib/mysql/* and it still fails, but ... faster |
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| 12:20.29 | xuhui | :) |
| 12:20.30 | jelly | paul_grozav: are you sure the module built and installed successfully? |
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| 12:22.01 | paul_grozav | jelly : The driver seems to install in /lib/firmware/rtlwifi ... not in /lib/firmware/`kernel_version` ... according to https://github.com/hadess/rtl8723bs/blob/master/Makefile |
| 12:22.44 | jelly | paul_grozav: so it only makes a firmware for the existing 8723bs.ko driver? |
| 12:22.54 | jelly | paul_grozav: then you maybe just need to reboot |
| 12:23.28 | tdn | I am considering hosting a debian mirror. How much space should I plan on it taking up? And is it possible to create a mirror that is only for, say, stretch and amd64? |
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| 12:23.46 | jelly | !mirror size |
| 12:23.47 | dpkg | To see the size of the Debian archive for each architecture, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/size . To make your own mirror, ask me about <mirrors>. |
| 12:23.58 | tdn | jelly, thanks |
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| 12:24.04 | jelly | tdn: full mirror takes a bit less than 1TB |
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| 12:24.08 | paul_grozav | jelly : I don't know what you mean. I can't answer. It does create some .bin files in that /lib/firmware/rtlwifi directory |
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| 12:24.23 | jelly | paul_grozav: good. Reboot and see if there's any change |
| 12:24.59 | jelly | paul_grozav: stuff in /lib/firmware, is, indeed, firmware, that kernel drivers read when they get laoded |
| 12:25.11 | paul_grozav | jelly: How should I check to see if the bluetooth works? |
| 12:25.25 | tdn | jelly, the link seems to indicate 2.5 TB? |
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| 12:26.05 | jelly | tdn: that will probably be with dgbsym |
| 12:26.09 | jelly | dbgsym* |
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| 12:26.12 | jelly | !dbgsym |
| 12:26.12 | dpkg | Packages that end in '*-dbgsym' contain the symbols required for debugging executables and libraries. The dbgsym packages are automatically generated packages that are in a separate archive; add a line like "deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ stretch-debug main" to your sources.list. See also https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace |
| 12:26.15 | tdn | jelly, ahh, ok |
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| 12:26.27 | g0zzy | ,v mariadb.service |
| 12:26.28 | judd | No package named 'mariadb.service' was found in amd64. |
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| 12:26.36 | cruncher | !mirror bandwidth |
| 12:26.44 | bumbar | where can i find uninstall script/command that dpkg uses for package installed though .deb |
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| 12:26.54 | jelly | paul_grozav: I have no idea, seldom use bluetooth on linux |
| 12:27.00 | g0zzy | How do i search for which package provides file x? |
| 12:27.07 | likcoras | g0zzy: apt-file |
| 12:27.22 | likcoras | mariadb-server-10.1: /lib/systemd/system/mariadb.service |
| 12:27.32 | likcoras | in sretch |
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| 12:27.36 | likcoras | stretch* |
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| 12:27.47 | jelly | g0zzy: or ,file |
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| 12:27.52 | jelly | or /msg judd file |
| 12:28.04 | g0zzy | Thanks |
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| 12:29.18 | g0zzy | ,mariadb.service |
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| 12:29.58 | likcoras | ,file mariadb.service |
| 12:30.03 | judd | Search for mariadb.service in stretch/amd64: mariadb-server-10.1: lib/systemd/system/mariadb.service |
| 12:30.56 | g0zzy | likcoras: thanks |
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| 12:32.50 | paul_grozav | Any ideea how I can check if my OS has bluetooth support ? |
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| 12:36.47 | cruncher | paul_grozav, basically you could start blueman or something similar |
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| 12:37.27 | bumbar | i'm trying to remove a package (opentsdb) with dpkg but it fails, saying it can't remove /tmp directory. why would it remove /tmp? here's the postrm script https://dpaste.de/iBOR |
| 12:37.45 | cruncher | paul_grozav, i.e. "rfkill list" would show you if it sees an adapter |
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| 12:38.41 | cruncher | bumbar, your statement is not fully correct, it doesnt want to remove /tmp |
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| 12:39.42 | bumbar | cruncher, https://dpaste.de/Aqrg |
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| 12:40.43 | cruncher | bumbar, ok, but according to the script you pasted first it didnt |
| 12:41.20 | bumbar | i've extracted that script from .deb package which i used to install the package |
| 12:41.20 | jelly | bumbar: dpkg tries to remove directories when the last package containing them gets removed. That means your package contained "/tmp" (and was rather badly created) |
| 12:41.40 | cruncher | bumbar, the problem is the -p switch |
| 12:41.54 | cruncher | which would remove also the parent of /tmp/opentsdb |
| 12:41.55 | jelly | bumbar: confirm by looking at the package contents, dpkg --contents foo.deb |
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| 12:42.32 | cruncher | but do as jelly mentioned, maybe you found a bug |
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| 12:43.03 | bumbar | there's no /tmp listed with that command |
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| 12:44.08 | cruncher | bumbar, no, you didnt understand, rmdir -p /tmp/opentsdb would remove opentsdb AND /tmp |
| 12:44.25 | cruncher | so it looks like a bug to me |
| 12:44.43 | bumbar | where can i find postrm script on system to fix it? |
| 12:44.53 | GenteelBen | bumbar lol |
| 12:44.59 | GenteelBen | Your name is interesting. |
| 12:45.22 | bumbar | so i've been told, and it even rhymes with dumbar! |
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| 12:49.33 | vandenoever | is anyone running virtualbox guest additions on testing? i get compile errors when trying that |
| 12:49.33 | cruncher | bumbar, you want to only remove or purge the package? |
| 12:49.36 | bumbar | found the remove script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/opentsdb.postrm |
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| 12:49.51 | bumbar | i've fixed it, and removed it |
| 12:49.54 | bumbar | but purge would be nice as well |
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| 12:50.05 | cruncher | bumbar, so purge it, that part has no error |
| 12:50.08 | cruncher | then report the bug |
| 12:50.59 | cruncher | vandenoever, for testing you should join #debian-next on oftc network |
| 12:51.03 | paul_grozav | jelly : It still says that no bluetooth adapter was found(I've installed blueman, bluez, bluetooth) and it seems that when starting the bluetooth service, it shuts down immediately |
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| 12:54.00 | vandenoever | cruncher: thanks |
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| 12:55.26 | paul_grozav | I also grepped dmesg for the hardware address of the device, and it does not find it. It only finds the wifi driver, it has a similar address, I guess because it's the same chip |
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| 13:01.22 | cruncher | paul_grozav, i cant follow from the chat what have you done so far |
| 13:02.16 | paul_grozav | !rtl8723bs install |
| 13:02.17 | dpkg | For Debian 8 "Jessie" systems, requires Linux 3.19 or later (ask me about <bdo kernel>). «apt-get install build-essential git && apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` && git clone https://github.com/hadess/rtl8723bs.git && cd rtl8723bs && make && make install && depmod -a && modprobe r8723bs». |
| 13:02.26 | paul_grozav | cruncher: jelly gave me this to try |
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| 13:02.46 | cruncher | and you did i guess. what says lsmod | grep 8723 |
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| 13:05.40 | paul_grozav | cruncher: https://pastebin.com/dP3b31M4 |
| 13:06.00 | cruncher | paul_grozav, and rfkill list? |
| 13:07.17 | paul_grozav | cruncher : https://pastebin.com/Y09uTXqc |
| 13:07.52 | cruncher | paul_grozav, just to be sure, what laptop is it? isnt there some little switch to enable/disable bluetooth maybe? |
| 13:08.05 | paul_grozav | cruncher: It's a tablet pc :) |
| 13:08.23 | roflbot | I need persistent group ownership and permissions on every file created by a user on a server in a directory. I set umask 002 in the users .profile, and I guess that this will fix the permission thing, but I still need to chgrp manually :) |
| 13:08.50 | cruncher | paul_grozav, did you check richt after modprobing the module in dmesg for any info? |
| 13:08.58 | cruncher | s/richt/right |
| 13:12.23 | paul_grozav | cruncher: It fails at the last step: "modprobe: FATAL: Module r8723bs not found in directory /lib/modules/4.9.0-3-686-pae" |
| 13:12.44 | cruncher | paul_grozav, then it wasnt compiled correctly |
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| 13:13.11 | paul_grozav | cruncher : That's what I was telling to jelly, that the driver seems to install itself in /lib/firmware/rtlwifi ... not in /lib/modules/`kernel_version` |
| 13:13.20 | cruncher | are you sure you entered it exactly like it was mentioned (with &&'s?)? |
| 13:14.32 | paul_grozav | cruncher: yes |
| 13:14.46 | cruncher | in firmware would be the firmware, not the driver |
| 13:14.47 | paul_grozav | see : https://github.com/hadess/rtl8723bs/blob/master/Makefile#L3 |
| 13:15.06 | paul_grozav | this line copies the .bin files to /lib/firmware/rtlwifi |
| 13:15.26 | thms | Just upgraded from wheezy to jessie, arez there checks I can do before rebooting to be sure it'll reboot ? |
| 13:15.27 | thms | :P |
| 13:16.05 | cruncher | paul_grozav, that install: section is only for the firmware |
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| 13:17.31 | cruncher | paul_grozav, they removed the driver from that location and merged it into 4.12-rc1 |
| 13:17.48 | cruncher | the factoid should be updated i guess |
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| 13:18.21 | thms | !jessie->stretch |
| 13:19.51 | dvs | thms, not a good idea |
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| 13:20.21 | cruncher | paul_grozav, i would say search for the driver somewhere |
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| 13:24.37 | thms | dvs, why ?! |
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| 13:27.32 | dvs | oh, I'm getting my versions mixed up. I thought Jessie was 7 |
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| 13:39.57 | paul_grozav | cruncher: I've been trying to install lots of drivers from github, without success yet. However, I have a working driver for my wifi, and the wifi and bluetooth should be handled by the same SDIO chip |
| 13:40.13 | paul_grozav | I'm not sure if that means that they should share the same driver |
| 13:40.26 | cruncher | paul_grozav, dmesg | grep -i blue |
| 13:40.40 | paul_grozav | cruncher : nothing |
| 13:40.43 | cruncher | paul_grozav, and check the bios (if it has one ;-)), if there is maybe an option to disable it |
| 13:40.55 | cruncher | so no bt stack loaded |
| 13:41.08 | paul_grozav | I also searched in dmesg for the hardware addres, but I couldn't find it. I only found the wifi hardware address, which is similar |
| 13:41.38 | paul_grozav | cruncher: Yes, I can enter the BIOS, as with any ordinary computer :) |
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| 14:17.13 | g0zzy | Can someone _please_ tell me the correct way to stop and start mysql-server on >= jessie? |
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| 14:18.14 | petn-randall | g0zzy: Just like any other service. If that doesn't work, please show us output. |
| 14:19.47 | g0zzy | Please see above. A whole lot of grief about mariadb.service not able to start |
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| 14:23.51 | petn-randall | g0zzy: What errors are in the logs? |
| 14:23.51 | petn-randall | g0zzy: 'journalctl -u mariadb', /var/log/daemon.log and anything under /var/log/mysql/ come to mind. |
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| 14:25.45 | g0zzy | suspects actually you have to start mariadb.service |
| 14:26.08 | g0zzy | Because when you do, you find mysqld is running |
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| 14:31.27 | petn-randall | g0zzy: From reading the backlogs, I'm assuming it fails because you deleted /var/lib/mysql/, but I'm sure the logs will say that. |
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| 14:40.32 | g0zzy | petn-randall: Well i reinstalled so that shouldn't be a problem |
| 14:41.13 | petn-randall | g0zzy: What do the logs say? |
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| 14:44.13 | quazgar | Hi, is there a dpkg-reconfigure module for setting /etc/locale.gen? Or do I need to modify it manually? |
| 14:44.33 | quazgar | I'm trying to change the locale non0interactively |
| 14:44.49 | petn-randall | quazgar: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:45.48 | jelly | quazgar: or just install locales-all package and then you have ALL THE LOCALES |
| 14:45.56 | g0zzy | I think i'm ok now thanks. Was getting distracted and confused here |
| 14:46.01 | quazgar | petn-randall: That's what I tried, but seeding it with debconf-set-selections and the config from another machine did not change the generated locales |
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| 14:46.32 | petn-randall | g0zzy: Does that mean the problem is solved? |
| 14:46.50 | jelly | quazgar: they take like 100MB of space |
| 14:47.32 | quazgar | jelly: I'll check if that works, thanks |
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| 14:48.38 | jelly | the "space saving" dynamically generating locales package is a bit silly these days |
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| 14:49.27 | jelly | was a different thing 10 or 15 years ago when people had a 2GB /usr |
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| 14:51.53 | amd_0x51 | Hi, what command can I use in here to find out what version of libgcrypt stretch is using? |
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| 14:52.16 | amd_0x51 | or could some people let me know what their system is using? I don't have the time to fire up VMs |
| 14:52.18 | ksk | amd_0x51: "dpkg -l $package" |
| 14:52.22 | petn-randall | ,v libgcrypt20 |
| 14:52.23 | judd | Package: libgcrypt20 on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.3-2+deb8u4; jessie-security: 1.6.3-2+deb8u4; jessie-backports: 1.7.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.7.6-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.7.6-2+deb9u2; buster: 1.7.8-2; sid: 1.7.9-1; experimental: 1.8.1-1 |
| 14:52.27 | petn-randall | amd_0x51: ^^^ |
| 14:52.31 | quazgar | petn-randall: The probelm with dpkg-reconfigure locales seems to be this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=684134 |
| 14:52.32 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/684134 in locales (open): «Package 'locales' resets pre-set debconf variable 'default_environment_locale' on install»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-08-07; last modified: 2017-01-05. |
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| 14:53.20 | amd_0x51 | okay so 20 is the most recent and up to date thanks a lot |
| 14:55.24 | quazgar | jelly: OK, that solved part 1 of my problem, thanks :-) Now I changed some defaults in /etc/default/locale, at which time do the effects take place? Logging in with a new ssh session does not seem to be sufficient |
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| 14:57.30 | g0zzy | Thanks folks |
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| 15:04.59 | lh_mouse | hello. |
| 15:05.21 | lh_mouse | (This a cross-post from ##C++-general) I am having a strange error: When I dlopen() a SO I get an undefined symbol. But the symbol is right there in the SO which can be corroborated using `nm --defined-only`. The program also works fine when linking against the SO directly (i.e. without use of `dlopen()`). |
| 15:05.33 | lh_mouse | This happens on Stretch, but not on Wheezy. |
| 15:06.45 | klys | can you see anything new from strace? |
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| 15:06.55 | lh_mouse | let me see. |
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| 15:11.52 | lh_mouse | klys, https://gist.github.com/lhmouse/662bf82d4272c2e0c3e8f83ba4a4796e |
| 15:12.19 | lh_mouse | The executable `poseidon` is linked against `libposeidon-main.so` (without use of `dlopen()`). When it starts it `dlopen()`s `libmedusa2-common.so` which was linked against `libposeidon-main.so` too. And I get the undefined reference. |
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| 15:13.35 | OtakuSenpai | hello |
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| 15:13.54 | OtakuSenpai | can someone help me with my wifi connection n nm? |
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| 15:15.43 | jmcnaught | Nawab: what's wrong? |
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| 15:17.15 | Nawab | jmcnaught: i tried assigning the correct dhcp address,and gave the password |
| 15:17.37 | Nawab | but whatever i do,when i connect to my wifi and do a ping google,it fails |
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| 15:17.52 | Nawab | now im connected to my ethernet connection |
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| 15:19.26 | jmcnaught | not sure what you mean by assigning the correct dhcp address⦠normally to tell networkmanager to connect, it asks for a password if it needs to, then it connects. is that the process you followed? |
| 15:19.30 | klys | lh_mouse, can you tell what it's doing at line 744 epoll_create(4096) ? |
| 15:19.41 | Nawab | yeah jmcnaught |
| 15:19.59 | Nawab | but i cant connect...i mean ping google... |
| 15:20.25 | lh_mouse | klys, this is a server program, so it creates an epoll object before loading other SOs. |
| 15:20.26 | Nawab | i even gave the Use Automatic DHCP only Address in the options |
| 15:20.35 | jmcnaught | Nawab: can you check your IP address and route information? 'ip a ; ip r' |
| 15:21.50 | Nawab | http://paste.debian.net/984024/ |
| 15:22.23 | lh_mouse | The first SO to be loaded leads to the undefined reference and causes the program to exit - but if I remove the call to that function, all other functions work well without causing undefined references. |
| 15:22.48 | klys | lh_mouse, and you can load a program which links against libmedusa2-common.so ? |
| 15:23.06 | lh_mouse | klys, yes, in that case it runs normally. |
| 15:23.07 | Nawab | theres also ##posix, just saying |
| 15:23.25 | lh_mouse | Nawab, are you talking to me ? |
| 15:23.31 | Nawab | yeah |
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| 15:23.43 | lh_mouse | This problem happens only on Stretch. |
| 15:23.48 | Nawab | hmm |
| 15:23.52 | lh_mouse | Wheezy does not have this issue. That is why I asked it here. |
| 15:23.59 | Nawab | np |
| 15:24.14 | jmcnaught | Nawab: sorry I meant look at that information when you cannot route. You should probably also look at 'journalctl -u NetworkManager' for clues |
| 15:24.24 | Nawab | ok |
| 15:24.33 | Nawab | then what? |
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| 15:24.50 | lh_mouse | klys, sorry misread your message. |
| 15:25.14 | lh_mouse | If I link a program against `libposeidon-main.so` it runs normally, even when I reference the function causing undefined reference. |
| 15:25.16 | jmcnaught | Nawab: depends on the clues |
| 15:25.49 | lh_mouse | The function does exist in `libposeidon-main.so`. `libmedusa2-common.so` refers that function, but it can't be dlopen'd because of the error. |
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| 15:26.22 | Nawab | http://paste.debian.net/984027/ |
| 15:26.27 | Nawab | the logs ^ |
| 15:26.33 | Nawab | _/\_ |
| 15:26.45 | klys | lh_mouse, can you use libmedusa2-common.so in any other context? I am pointing to an error between lines 771 and 772 if I understand. |
| 15:27.13 | lh_mouse | let me try iy. |
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| 15:31.02 | amd_0x51 | when pulling from backports is it install -t jessie-backports? |
| 15:31.05 | jmcnaught | Nawab: looks okay to me. What error do you get when you try to connect to sites on wifi? |
| 15:31.11 | amd_0x51 | or should it just find it? |
| 15:32.15 | Nawab | jmcnaught: ?it doesnt give me an erro...a simple ping google.com fails just |
| 15:32.16 | lh_mouse | klys, there was no problem. |
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| 15:32.28 | Nawab | s/?it/it |
| 15:33.10 | klys | lh_mouse, and when you did it, it loaded that library, so try strace on that. |
| 15:34.20 | lh_mouse | klys, https://gist.github.com/lhmouse/3eb55a8e564a6aeed32917ae47911476 |
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| 15:35.46 | amd_0x51 | ah it's apt-get -t jessie-backports install |
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| 15:42.29 | klys | lh_mouse, ls -ltac /home/lh_mouse/poseidon-medusa/medusa2-common/lib/.libs/libmedusa2-common.so /home/lh_mouse/poseidon-medusa/medusa2-common/lib/.libs/libmedusa2-common.so.0 |
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| 15:42.49 | lh_mouse | klys, lrwxrwxrwx 1 lh_mouse lh_mouse 26 Sep 1 23:31 /home/lh_mouse/poseidon-medusa/medusa2-common/lib/.libs/libmedusa2-common.so -> libmedusa2-common.so.0.0.0 |
| 15:42.49 | lh_mouse | lrwxrwxrwx 1 lh_mouse lh_mouse 26 Sep 1 23:31 /home/lh_mouse/poseidon-medusa/medusa2-common/lib/.libs/libmedusa2-common.so.0 -> libmedusa2-common.so.0.0.0 |
| 15:43.03 | klys | k |
| 15:43.23 | Nawab | jmcnaught: ? |
| 15:43.29 | lh_mouse | symbolic links... I am using libtool. |
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| 15:44.22 | Gamera | how do I mount with dd |
| 15:44.26 | Gamera | to usb |
| 15:44.48 | klys | lh_mouse, ldd /home/lh_mouse/poseidon-medusa/medusa2-common/lib/.libs/libmedusa2-common.so.0.0.0 |
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| 15:45.12 | Nawab | Gamera: dd isnt used for mounting |
| 15:45.22 | Gamera | burning |
| 15:45.23 | Nawab | mkdir /mnt/foo |
| 15:45.32 | Gamera | burn the iso to the usb |
| 15:45.34 | Gamera | write |
| 15:45.35 | Gamera | whatever |
| 15:45.39 | klys | gamera, mount -o loop /path/to/file.iso /mnt |
| 15:45.46 | Nawab | mount -o rw /path/to/disk /mnt/foo |
| 15:45.50 | lh_mouse | klys, https://gist.github.com/lhmouse/27e917b50a0e806c59f8a63b619fe328 |
| 15:45.52 | Nawab | ok |
| 15:45.56 | Gamera | forget it |
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| 15:46.11 | Nawab | dd if=/path/to/iso of=/path/to/usb |
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| 15:48.54 | jmcnaught | Nawab: ping has no output at all? maybe try something that would show an error, like a browser |
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| 15:50.08 | Nawab | \ok |
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| 15:50.09 | Nawab | ok |
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| 15:52.29 | klys | lh_mouse, this might sound like a pain, though, could you try loading the libraries in the list produced by ldd before loading libmedusa2-common.so.0.0.0 ? |
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| 15:53.19 | klys | I mean, this time with dlopen() |
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| 15:57.12 | lh_mouse | klys, in the same order as that list ? |
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| 15:57.45 | klys | lh_mouse, sure, it doesn't matter so much the order as long as you load libmedusa2-common.so.0.0.0 last |
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| 15:58.13 | lh_mouse | ... but I have to be afk for about 20 minutes now. |
| 15:58.27 | lh_mouse | I will try that when I come back. |
| 15:58.29 | klys | lh_mouse, :) see you arounds |
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| 16:05.26 | kmrd | hi. can anyone help me with the debian installer? what is the difference in Guided between these: 1. guided - use entire disk 2. Guided - use entire disk and set up LVM 3. Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM |
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| 16:14.13 | klys | kmrd, you have selected to use the entire disk. this will mean that you can' have partitions. lvm will mean that you will have an internal map of your physical volumes in /etc (which you should back up). encrypted lvm will also mean that your volume(s) will be encrypted. the first option will simply install linux on the disk without partitioning it. |
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| 16:18.36 | lh_mouse | klys, no errors => https://gist.github.com/lhmouse/45b40ce34058f96d29e12c457d756348 |
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| 16:20.29 | klys | lh_mouse, it looks like libmedusa2-common.so loaded ok then. do you think you could compare results until you find the error? |
| 16:20.36 | lh_mouse | The problem seems to take place only when `libmedusa2-common.so` is loaded from the (huge) program `poseidon`. |
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| 16:20.52 | lh_mouse | compare what with what? |
| 16:20.56 | lh_mouse | 2017-09-02 00:19:28.234 00 [P ] ERROR std::exception thrown in main(): what = /home/lh_mouse/poseidon-medusa/medusa2-common/lib/.libs/libmedusa2-common.so: undefined symbol: _ZN8PoseidonlsERSoRKNS_12StreamBufferE #src/main.cpp:168 |
| 16:21.05 | lh_mouse | ^^ This is the error. |
| 16:21.05 | klys | with the poisedon program's method |
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| 16:21.35 | lh_mouse | Let me try. |
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| 16:21.59 | lh_mouse | I am trying disabling some components for the test. |
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| 16:27.01 | lh_mouse | klys, the built-but-not-installed-yet `poseidon` works fine. |
| 16:27.07 | lh_mouse | `checkinstall` must did something wrong. |
| 16:27.13 | klys | ah ok |
| 16:27.20 | lh_mouse | what should I do? |
| 16:27.28 | lh_mouse | LD_LIBRARY_PATH="${_runpath}" ~/poseidon/bin/poseidon "${_confpath}" # This works. |
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| 16:27.43 | klys | explain abit more about checkinstall or build you a deb |
| 16:27.44 | lh_mouse | LD_LIBRARY_PATH="${_runpath}" /usr/local/bin/poseidon "${_confpath}" # This fails. |
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| 16:28.11 | lh_mouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.11 | lh_mouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.17 | lh_mouse | This is what I am using ^^^ |
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| 16:29.01 | klys | and that's supposed to copy poisedon to /usr/local/bin if the test fails? |
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| 16:30.29 | kmrd | is lvm used today? and what is used instead of LVM if I use "Guided -entire disk" without lvm? |
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| 16:31.06 | lh_mouse | lh_mouse@lhmouse-dev:~/poseidon$ ls -l bin/poseidon /usr/local/bin/poseidon |
| 16:31.07 | lh_mouse | -rwxr-xr-x 1 lh_mouse lh_mouse 6287 Sep 2 00:23 bin/poseidon |
| 16:31.07 | lh_mouse | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 671808 Sep 2 00:29 /usr/local/bin/poseidon |
| 16:32.00 | lh_mouse | I have no idea what `checkinstall` does with that file, but the size is so suspicious. |
| 16:32.13 | kmrd | If anyone knows? Because on the website is not written |
| 16:32.46 | lh_mouse | The 6287-byte file works fine. But after being installed with `checkinstall` it becomes 672808 bytes magically. |
| 16:32.51 | klys | kmrd, lvm can be used if you choose it. there is nothing wrong with using the entire disk, except that you won't be able to resize and add a new partition. |
| 16:33.22 | lh_mouse | oh well bin/poseidon is merely a wrapper. |
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| 16:34.19 | lh_mouse | `bin/.libs/poseidon` and `/usr/local/bin/poseidon` seem identical. |
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| 16:35.52 | kmrd | klys: the "Guided - use entire disk" what is difference between this and choosing LVM? It's just I can't resize and add a new partition? Is that the ONLY difference? |
| 16:36.04 | lh_mouse | [00:29:01] <klys> and that's supposed to copy poisedon to /usr/local/bin if the test fails? // isn't `checkinstall` merely calls `make install` ? I don't check for anything. |
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| 16:37.22 | klys | kmrd, the only thing wrong with using the entire disk is what I said. lvm is for making internal volumes. |
| 16:38.25 | klys | lh_mouse, sounds like you have this figured out |
| 16:38.34 | kmrd | cool. What is "Guided - use the entire disk" do in the background? Only if you know.. I am curious |
| 16:38.54 | jelly | kmrd: lvm adds another layer, is a lot more flexible but also more complex |
| 16:39.00 | klys | kmrd, your install will be on /dev/sda and it just unpacks a load of debs |
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| 16:39.38 | kmrd | I saw some videos about LVM and I didn't really understand what it is |
| 16:39.46 | jelly | kmrd: "use entire disk" means you're giving the install free reign to overwrite any existing partitions |
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| 16:40.07 | jelly | (losing all the data on that disk in the process) |
| 16:40.41 | kmrd | thanks! |
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| 16:40.55 | lh_mouse | klys, ah I have found the reason. |
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| 16:41.09 | klys | lh_mouse, cool, thanks for asking |
| 16:41.25 | jelly | kmrd: when you have multiple filesystem, lvm makes it easy to give more space to exactly the one that needs more space. You don't have to know in advance how much which filesystem is going to take |
| 16:41.49 | lh_mouse | For some unknown reasons, /usr/local/bin/poseidon is looking for libposeidon-main.so in the Git submodule `~/poseidon-medusa/poseidon/lib/.libs`. |
| 16:42.06 | jelly | it also enables getting consistent snaphosts of a filesystem and some other feature |
| 16:42.18 | lh_mouse | And it gets precedence than `/usr/local/libposeidon-main.so`. |
| 16:42.19 | jelly | can't plural today |
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| 16:43.08 | lh_mouse | This is not the case when the program is run from its build directory. I have no idea why. I cleaned the (out of date) submodule with `make clean` and the error vanished. |
| 16:43.25 | lh_mouse | klys, sorry for wasting your time. XD |
| 16:43.44 | klys | lh_mouse thanks for giving me the code in that paste you did |
| 16:43.49 | klys | :) |
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| 16:52.30 | mnuhmnuh | jelly: so, no dual boot w eg. Win* when installing lvm mode? |
| 16:53.43 | klys | mnuhmnuh, you should have the option to choose partition(s) versus whole-disk before choosing to use lvm or not. |
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| 16:54.26 | jhutchins | mnuhmnuh: You can install Linux in a dual-boot system with lvm. |
| 16:54.42 | jhutchins | mnuhmnuh: Certain options aren't automated, but you can still do them. |
| 16:55.05 | mnuhmnuh | jelly: just think it sounds a very helpful tool to blow away existing. but you can use encrypted lvm not interfering with win ptn? |
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| 16:56.16 | SuperSeriousCat | If you plan on dual booting and not familiar with grub you should install W10 first as it dont see other OSs than Windows when it set up its bootleader |
| 16:56.26 | mnuhmnuh | jhutchins: tx, answers my befuddlement. |
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| 16:57.58 | mnuhmnuh | SuperSeriousCat: i've been playing with installs ov many obscure or non-mainline distros for a long time, preferring debian. |
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| 17:00.01 | jelly | mnuhmnuh: the context was "Guided partitioning" with "use entire disk" |
| 17:01.03 | jelly | there are other partitioning options that won't destroy OS-es already in place |
| 17:02.07 | bliv | hmm, it seems so |
| 17:02.50 | jelly | SuperSeriousCat: on an UEFI system, order of OS installation is less important since the choice which one to boot can be done in UEFI |
| 17:04.08 | klys | jelly, on an mbr system, if you have dine install-mbr, you can select a partition while the mbr is loading. |
| 17:04.15 | klys | done* |
| 17:04.17 | mnuhmnuh | jelly: i just ran into mention of checkinstall today. it sounds like the holy grail i've been looking for, yet i'm sure i'veard of it before. it'd get me back into playing that game. |
| 17:04.39 | jelly | what game |
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| 17:05.46 | mnuhmnuh | fiddling with re-installs. i like this system as is. :-| |
| 17:06.24 | mnuhmnuh | configged as is, and i've fiddled with a lot of it. |
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| 17:06.39 | klys | the install program is basically a glorified `cp'. checkinstall is a wrapper on install. |
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| 17:06.59 | jelly | checkinstall is a tool that tries to figure out what a single "make install" did, and aggregate it all into an ad-hoc .deb / .rpm / other binary package |
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| 17:07.22 | klys | oh thanks |
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| 17:10.18 | mnuhmnuh | sounds great. |
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| 17:12.59 | Zomb_ | hi. question, how can I unpack modern initramfs image? |
| 17:13.06 | Zomb_ | it was a plain cpio in earlier days |
| 17:13.14 | Zomb_ | but now cpio only unpacks 36blocks and finito |
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| 17:14.11 | mnuhmnuh | wonders how many users ever touch /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 17:14.28 | jhutchins | Zomb_: If I do "file /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64" it says "gzip compressed data" |
| 17:14.32 | zenmaster | Hi guys, I have a Debian 9.1 machine installed as VM. Ip configuration is correct, however when I run arp I can't get mac address of GW nor can I ping it. |
| 17:14.58 | Zomb_ | for me it's ASCII cpio archive (SVR4 with no CRC) |
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| 17:16.43 | mnuhmnuh | "file /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-3-amd64" == "/boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-3-amd64: ASCII cpio archive (SVR4 with no CRC)" |
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| 17:17.34 | Zomb_ | "36 blocks" is what cpio says. And it only unpacks a few files, apparently CPU microcode |
| 17:17.49 | Zomb_ | maybe there are multiple volumes? I cannot spot any tar or gzip header in hex editor, though |
| 17:17.57 | mnuhmnuh | jhutchins: what's your partioning scheme? |
| 17:18.00 | jelly | Zomb_: which debian release, what's the actual file name? |
| 17:18.28 | Zomb_ | unstable, any /boot/initrd.img* file |
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| 17:18.45 | jelly | Zomb_: pick one and show the output of file on it |
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| 17:19.12 | mnuhmnuh | i just did. |
| 17:19.36 | jelly | you are not Zomb_ |
| 17:19.44 | mnuhmnuh | sorry. |
| 17:20.45 | jelly | I want to see if it's a weird kernel or an initramfs created in an unusual way |
| 17:20.48 | mnuhmnuh | "file /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-3-amd64" == "/boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-3-amd64: ASCII cpio archive (SVR4 with no CRC)" |
| 17:20.57 | jelly | you're still not Zomb_ |
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| 17:21.22 | Zomb_ | it is made by initramfs-tools, nothing special |
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| 17:21.37 | jelly | Zomb_: can you show the actual output |
| 17:21.47 | jelly | complete line |
| 17:21.47 | Zomb_ | from cpio? |
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| 17:21.52 | jelly | from file |
| 17:22.00 | Gamera | curses |
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| 17:22.09 | Zomb_ | it's exactly what I said and what mnuhmnuh showed you |
| 17:22.15 | Gamera | I forgot the damn passwords INSTANTLY |
| 17:22.19 | jelly | so we can see the file path and file's guess |
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| 17:22.44 | Zomb_ | as I said, I tried cpio already and it only unpacks a couple of files and stops, saying "36 blocks" |
| 17:22.53 | jelly | Zomb_: okay then. What does uname -r say on your sysmtem? |
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| 17:23.28 | Zomb_ | jelly: heh? How is that related to solving my problem? |
| 17:23.29 | jelly | Zomb_: show the output of "file /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r)" |
| 17:23.39 | jelly | I want to see which kernel it is |
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| 17:23.58 | jelly | also which initramfs-tools version created it |
| 17:23.58 | Zomb_ | heh? THAT DOES NOT MATTER |
| 17:24.22 | jelly | okay then |
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| 17:24.37 | jelly | goes doing something else |
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| 17:24.51 | Gamera | I forgot the password and also the username |
| 17:24.57 | Gamera | milliseconds after creating them |
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| 17:32.06 | mnuhmnuh | Gamera: faceplant. |
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| 17:33.30 | th0r | Gamera, if you created the users properly you can get the usernames from /home. Delete them and create them again |
| 17:35.15 | mnuhmnuh | Gamera: i missed 1st part of this. which pwords? root's, ptn.'s, gnupg, ... |
| 17:35.40 | mnuhmnuh | crypted ptns, lvm. |
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| 17:45.17 | jelly | Zomb_: also: are you really using Debian, or a derivative? Is intel-microcode or amd64-microcode installed? |
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| 17:46.39 | Zomb_ | jelly: LOL. I have been Debian maintainer for about 17 years. |
| 17:46.52 | Zomb_ | and the tool I was looking for is unmkinitramfs and RTFM helps |
| 17:47.21 | Zomb_ | and now, "uname -r" will not help you find that |
| 17:47.44 | jelly | no, but it will help find out if there's something unusual going on |
| 17:48.20 | bolt | whistles the x-files tune |
| 17:48.21 | Zomb_ | jelly: there is nothing unusual. I am running unstable. The format was modified, apparently. |
| 17:48.48 | annadane | Zomb_, being a maintainer for 17 years doesn't give you an excuse to be a dick, sorry |
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| 17:49.31 | Zomb_ | annadane: sure, but wasting my time with obviously useless questions is not helping anyone |
| 17:49.34 | jelly | so you're running a newer initramfs-tools than expected |
| 17:50.25 | bolt | annadane: it does give you an excuse to be an old geezer :) |
| 17:50.26 | mnuhmnuh | Zomb_: if you run unstable, #debian-next? |
| 17:51.11 | jelly | Zomb_: this channel gets users with all sorts of knowledge, figuring out their environment is useful even if it looks annoying and useless to you |
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| 17:51.54 | jelly | Zomb_: this leftover channel on freenode now caters mostly to stable and older stuff |
| 17:52.36 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 17:52.37 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:53.02 | Zomb_ | oh guys. Please. I said already, RTFM helps. |
| 17:53.12 | Zomb_ | unmkinitrams command is in stable |
| 17:53.23 | Zomb_ | I am no better, it helped me today. |
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| 17:55.06 | Zomb_ | and since I was pretty damn sure that there was no recent iniitramfs-tools release, I asked right here. |
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| 17:56.33 | mnuhmnuh | we're all still learning, you talking about stuff informs me, tx. |
| 17:57.59 | jelly | serves me right for not remembering the machine I'm usually checking things on is now oldstable |
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| 18:10.57 | psychoghost | hello |
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| 18:12.49 | psychoghost | i have an issue with debian 9.1 stable and testing i want to install steam but i cant it askes for admin password but if i do root password it does not let me type in the password area |
| 18:13.08 | psychoghost | asks** |
| 18:13.11 | apollo13 | what makes you think it doesn't let you type? |
| 18:13.17 | apollo13 | just because you see no output? |
| 18:14.10 | psychoghost | when you go to type the password the blink line dont show up and the field stay blank |
| 18:14.23 | apollo13 | and what happens if you hit enter? :D |
| 18:14.34 | psychoghost | nothing |
| 18:14.42 | apollo13 | not showing what you type for password fields can actually be a security feature |
| 18:14.43 | apollo13 | ok |
| 18:14.53 | psychoghost | i know that lol |
| 18:14.54 | apollo13 | then I do not know, never used steam |
| 18:15.11 | apollo13 | well wouldn't be the first one confused by that, so better safe than sorry |
| 18:15.28 | annadane | psychoghost, what de/wm are you on? |
| 18:16.01 | psychoghost | what does that mean de/wm |
| 18:16.02 | BenNZ | psychoghost: what command are you using to install steam ? |
| 18:16.15 | psychoghost | im using gdebi |
| 18:16.22 | annadane | desktop environment/window manager |
| 18:16.26 | psychoghost | the deb file |
| 18:16.26 | annadane | so like gnome, plasma, xfce etc |
| 18:16.36 | psychoghost | cinn |
| 18:16.50 | apollo13 | try on the console? |
| 18:16.52 | BenNZ | psychoghost: ok i see , are you in the sudo group ? |
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| 18:17.01 | psychoghost | yes |
| 18:17.13 | annadane | psychoghost, are you trying to install via the terminal? you should use the repository instead of trying to install steam from the internet |
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| 18:17.39 | psychoghost | i dont have the repo |
| 18:17.47 | BenNZ | psychoghost: to install that package open a terminal sudo dpkg -i filename,deb or use a repo instead , which is better |
| 18:17.52 | annadane | psychoghost, it's in non-free |
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| 18:18.14 | psychoghost | i checked let me see again |
| 18:18.22 | annadane | psychoghost, https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList scroll down to "example sources list", non free section |
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| 18:18.35 | annadane | you should add both contrib *and* non-free |
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| 18:19.50 | annadane | psychoghost, and in general use the official debian repository, installing random .deb's from the internet is discouraged |
| 18:20.04 | psychoghost | under games? |
| 18:20.23 | annadane | sorry? |
| 18:20.36 | psychoghost | steam in synaptic |
| 18:20.54 | annadane | that should be it, yeah... |
| 18:21.05 | annadane | you could also take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
| 18:21.06 | psychoghost | i did it in terminal and it couldnt locate |
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| 18:21.24 | annadane | psychoghost, likely you don't have the correct sources list. as i said, you need contrib and non-free |
| 18:21.51 | annadane | in a terminal, can you give us the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"? use paste.debian.net |
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| 18:23.43 | annadane | psychoghost, given that steam needs things like multiarch - per the wiki page i linked - it's probably better to do this via the terminal instead of from synaptic |
| 18:24.05 | psychoghost | yea |
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| 18:29.01 | psychoghost | got it thanks bros you guys are the best |
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| 18:29.38 | psychoghost | now i can go back to testing |
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| 18:30.03 | annadane | psychoghost, i hope by testing you mean on a different computer or partition, you shouldn't mix stable and testing packages |
| 18:30.48 | psychoghost | yes i like to tinker lol |
| 18:31.02 | annadane | dpkg: tell psychoghost about frankendebian |
| 18:31.50 | annadane | dpkg: tell psychoghost about backports |
| 18:34.36 | psychoghost | which desktop ya think is nicer |
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| 18:35.29 | annadane | psychoghost, that's more a question for #debian-offtopic |
| 18:36.45 | psychoghost | i mean in debian |
| 18:36.58 | psychoghost | which environment |
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| 18:38.49 | dmkeast | are there any downsides to adding my user to the adm group on a server to view log files without switching to root? |
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| 18:40.13 | psychoghost | question |
| 18:40.34 | psychoghost | how do i get the drivers for intel on debian? |
| 18:40.48 | psychoghost | the mesa drivers |
| 18:41.06 | jelly | psychoghost: they ought to be installed by default if you chose a desktop environment |
| 18:41.25 | psychoghost | i found the vulkan driver on the repo |
| 18:41.41 | jelly | I think the very latest intel gpus also need firmware |
| 18:42.10 | jelly | psychoghost: which cpu model do you have? |
| 18:42.22 | psychoghost | intel hd 3000 |
| 18:42.47 | psychoghost | i find the mesa drivers perform better on linux |
| 18:43.06 | psychoghost | this gpu works better on linux |
| 18:43.19 | jelly | that's the gpu. not cpu. sandybridge, 2010-2011 |
| 18:43.27 | jelly | but okay. You don't need firmware for that |
| 18:44.16 | jelly | psychoghost: if you've only done a base install or installed xorg separately, you'll want to install libgl1-mesa-dri package, and that's probably it |
| 18:44.21 | psychoghost | old shit lol |
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| 18:44.40 | psychoghost | hmm |
| 18:44.48 | jelly | nothing special to be done |
| 18:45.03 | teraflops | psychoghost: indeed, intel HD3000 works pretty well under linux |
| 18:45.19 | jelly | worked out of the box on my thinkpad T420s |
| 18:45.37 | teraflops | I only miss vp8/9 hwdec |
| 18:45.46 | jelly | there are some extra bits if you want vaapi |
| 18:45.55 | teraflops | since it's old GPU nothing to complain |
| 18:46.08 | psychoghost | extra bits? |
| 18:46.15 | psychoghost | tell me |
| 18:46.30 | teraflops | jelly: it works under vaapi pretty well too, doing vaapi |
| 18:46.43 | teraflops | wayland^ |
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| 18:47.22 | jelly | psychoghost: don't remember. apt-cache search intel vaapi |
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| 18:47.56 | psychoghost | ok |
| 18:48.25 | teraflops | I do modesetting btw |
| 18:49.36 | annadane | is there a debian wiki irc? |
| 18:51.23 | psychoghost | i found it but what is the vaapi lol |
| 18:55.11 | zenmaster | Hi guys, I have a Debian 9.1 machine installed as VM. Ip configuration is correct, however when I run arp I can't get mac address of GW nor can I ping it. |
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| 18:56.28 | teraflops | zenmaster: which hypervisor? |
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| 18:57.13 | psychoghost | lol its installed by default |
| 18:57.36 | jelly | psychoghost: a programming interface to make the gpu decode and display video instead of having cpu decode it. It saves a little bit of power with supported video codecs |
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| 18:57.54 | psychoghost | well thanks bros gtg |
| 18:58.13 | teraflops | zenmaster: nat/bridge? you can set some options on the virtual nic depending on the hypervisor too |
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| 19:00.07 | psychoghost | so whats your preferred desktop in debian |
| 19:00.22 | teraflops | !poll |
| 19:00.23 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 19:00.59 | annadane | psychoghost, this is a support channel. "preferred desktop" is a casual discussion, take it to #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:01.13 | psychoghost | ok thanks |
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| 19:01.59 | psychoghost | ok so under debian testing is there a way to change kernels? |
| 19:02.34 | nvz | psychoghost: sure. what do you mean by change kernels, what is your issue and what are you looking for? |
| 19:02.34 | annadane | !testing |
| 19:02.35 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 19:02.48 | annadane | #debian is for stable |
| 19:02.54 | psychoghost | ok |
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| 19:03.24 | psychoghost | where is the testing channel |
| 19:03.37 | annadane | psychoghost, it's in what dpkg just posted. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:03.57 | psychoghost | thank you |
| 19:04.35 | psychoghost | well thanks guys gtg |
| 19:04.50 | psychoghost | appreciate the hard work |
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| 19:05.15 | zenmaster | teraflops: Machine has public ip |
| 19:05.35 | teraflops | zenmaster: machine = the VM? |
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| 19:06.46 | nvz | is there a way to view dmesg with a useful timestamp or do I have to write something to convert these timestamps to something that is meaningful? |
| 19:07.29 | nvz | I'm not even sure what these timestamps are, jiffies or what? |
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| 19:08.49 | jelly | nvz: that's a rtfm for yous |
| 19:08.58 | nvz | jelly: which manual? |
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| 19:09.05 | jelly | man dmesg |
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| 19:09.10 | nvz | ah, alright |
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| 19:10.38 | jhutchins | nvz: However, you might be interested in dmesg -T |
| 19:11.04 | nvz | ah yes, that is better.. there are several switches, I tried -e and -H before I got to -T which is more what I was looking for |
| 19:11.17 | teraflops | -HT is a good combo :P |
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| 19:13.32 | nvz | I'm at the point now where I'm just fed up with whatever is going with this WD passport drive and I'm gonna just cram this data on it in the most ignorant way I can |
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| 19:14.42 | nvz | the FS passes all the tests, the drive itself is passing all hdparm tests but still it keeps doing this Buffer I/O nonsense and I've read dozens of forums and can't make no headway. Its a brand new drive |
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| 19:16.36 | jhutchins | nvz: USB issues? |
| 19:16.41 | jhutchins | nvz: smartmontools? |
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| 19:17.14 | nvz | it could be, but I can't narrow it down. I made sure its connected directly to one of the back USB ports and removed extra USB devices to lower the number on the bus |
| 19:17.47 | nvz | my original thought was this machine was having power issues, but thats hard to confirm remotely |
| 19:17.59 | jhutchins | nvz: Use something like rsync that has checksums. |
| 19:18.10 | nvz | and other discs would be having issues as well |
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| 19:18.35 | nvz | many forums I read people said they think it was just NTFS and the drive had worked after reformatted ext4 |
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| 19:19.32 | nvz | jhutchins: part that does worry me though is smart does say 3 prefails and the rest all old age on a drive that has only a few hundred hours life. It was just bought new about 2 months ago and barely used |
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| 19:20.28 | nvz | I've never seen problems like this and I'm used to using drives that are 2nd hand and old as can be |
| 19:20.45 | nvz | but I'd also never use NTFS so.. heh |
| 19:20.56 | jhutchins | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.25 | nvz | I never heard of that |
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| 19:22.21 | nvz | its a royal PITA right now though.. I thought I could do this over a weekend, and its been over two weeks now I'm only getting a couple GB at a time and I come back and find its stopped |
| 19:23.10 | nvz | and from my way of thinking, for no good reason since the data all seems to be fine.. the FS checks out even on windows, smartctl tests are passing without error.. |
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| 19:29.19 | nvz | I need to find out where this guy bought this drive and start thinking about if he should try get another from the seller or go to WD cause I know WD will cover it but its still fairly new and the seller might as well |
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| 19:29.56 | nvz | what to do with the over 500GB data I already got on it is a different problem |
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| 19:33.29 | gabboman | Hi! I just installed debian 9 on a vps. I installed mysql and then made mysql_secure_install. Then Installed phpmyadmin. When I try to login It doesnt work |
| 19:33.56 | gabboman | it says that the user is incorrect. With the root account I can do mysql -u root -pWhateverIwantNotEvenThePassword and works |
| 19:34.14 | gabboman | and with other users it doesnt. Any ideas? (sorry for the flood) |
| 19:35.02 | nvz | gabboman: are the other users failing also on the commandline or is this a phpmyadmin issue? |
| 19:35.56 | gabboman | nvz: neither other users nor phpmyadmin are able to login to the mysql root account |
| 19:36.41 | vook | gabboman: at what point did you create other users? |
| 19:37.10 | gabboman | one before and other after installation of mysql |
| 19:37.22 | gabboman | neither of them are able to do mysql -u root -pDankMemes |
| 19:37.22 | vook | system users? |
| 19:37.26 | gabboman | root is able to do it |
| 19:37.31 | vook | mysql users != system users |
| 19:37.33 | gabboman | but default users arent able |
| 19:37.40 | gabboman | system users |
| 19:37.53 | vook | not the same, you need to create mysql users |
| 19:37.56 | gabboman | I think that the latest mariadb has something called passwordless |
| 19:38.12 | vook | phpmyadmin docs cover all of this |
| 19:38.48 | gabboman | the problem is that I am not able of login with the root user to mysql |
| 19:38.58 | gabboman | unless I use the system root user |
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| 19:39.32 | gabboman | I used mysql_secure_install and restarted the server. I also tried other methods as manually changing root's password |
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| 20:11.54 | dmkeast | are there any downsides to adding my user to the adm group on a server to view log files without switching to root? |
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| 20:13.45 | ompaul | !sudo |
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| 20:13.45 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also <sudo path>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 20:14.00 | tremon | dmkeast: not really. that's what the group is for |
| 20:14.21 | teraflops | dpkg: I dont think so, same for systemd-journal group |
| 20:14.22 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, teraflops |
| 20:14.27 | teraflops | ^ |
| 20:14.33 | teraflops | dmkeast: I dont think so, same for systemd-journal group |
| 20:14.45 | tremon | but not all programs write their logs with adm as group |
| 20:15.27 | tremon | (basically, everything that doesn't run as root but still insists on writing its logs themselves) |
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| 20:20.30 | n4dir | I think i would prefer to su and then read the log files. |
| 20:20.53 | n4dir | though without any arguments, without good reason. |
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| 20:26.25 | nvz | is it normal for a fuse mount to be showing up in the process list? I see /sbin/mount.ntfs-3g in the process list |
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| 20:33.58 | teraflops | nvz: appending sudo to every journalctl command sounds a bit tiring :S |
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| 20:37.38 | nvz | teraflops: um.. ok idk what you're talking about |
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| 20:38.27 | teraflops | oh sorry it's because weechat does smartass completion I meant n4dir |
| 20:39.11 | nvz | teraflops: so it completed me because I'm a smartass? heh |
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| 20:40.09 | teraflops | nope, because if I type n+tab it autocompletes to the las nick starting by n that talked |
| 20:40.15 | teraflops | last^ |
| 20:40.38 | teraflops | it was n4dir for me but you talked in between |
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| 20:43.14 | n4dir | i didn't mention sudo at all, teraflops :-) |
| 20:43.39 | teraflops | s/sudo/su :P |
| 20:43.59 | n4dir | then you don't have to type it before "every" command. |
| 20:44.02 | tremon | nvz: yes, that's normal. it is a userspace process that does the mount handling, after all |
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| 20:44.50 | n4dir | teraflops: you might have a point there. I ain't got that problems, but that might relate to my setup, workflow, etc. I only gave my opinion (and tried to point out that it is just that. An opionion :-) ). |
| 20:45.27 | nvz | tremon: I just figured it'd finish after the mount and let the kernel handle it, but apparently it stays running |
| 20:45.54 | teraflops | nvz: yeah |
| 20:46.02 | tremon | If the kernel could handle it, it wouldn't be called "filesystem in userspace" :) |
| 20:46.40 | nvz | well I gathered that much, but I don't recall seeing several of these when I had other devices plugged in |
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| 20:46.57 | tremon | it's not the mount command that's running in userspace, it's the entire translation of on-disk structures to vfs (filesystem) tables |
| 20:47.25 | nvz | but I guess I do have two of them running and just didnt see the other one |
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| 20:48.31 | tremon | it depends on the filesystem on the device. the kernel can do FAT32 in-kernel, and can do (iirc) read-only ntfs |
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| 20:49.24 | nvz | ntfs is a PITA but many embedded devices like media players only support fat or ntfs |
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| 20:57.08 | n4dir | no su versus sudo flamewar. damnit. |
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| 21:05.22 | pie3 | pie3> http://jslinux.org/ |
| 21:05.22 | pie3 | <pie3> any other equivalent stuff? |
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| 21:16.11 | gunix | can you the deploy the ubuntu openstack on debian, using the ubuntu openstack repos? |
| 21:17.14 | gunix | i mean this: https://docs.openstack.org/ocata/install-guide-ubuntu/ ... does this work on debian? |
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| 21:21.54 | drinks2go | gunix you want to deploy a franken debian? https://docs.openstack.org/newton/install-guide-debian/ |
| 21:22.20 | gunix | drinks2go: i need ocata, not newton |
| 21:22.31 | drinks2go | awhoops. |
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| 21:23.23 | drinks2go | little beyond my pay grade, sorry |
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| 21:23.37 | gunix | also, this is done via jessie backports :D not even in deb 9 by default :D |
| 21:25.09 | teraflops | gunix: maybe you want lets say ubuntu? |
| 21:25.28 | gunix | teraflops: what do you mean? |
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| 21:25.33 | teraflops | that |
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| 21:25.38 | drinks2go | what you're asking sounds like a bad idea |
| 21:25.57 | teraflops | instead ofeventually breaking a debian system, what's wrong using ubuntu + ubuntu stuff? |
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| 21:28.06 | teraflops | it's just I prefer not suffering pain because "eh I use x instead of the saner y" becasue x is cool or whatever |
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| 21:28.41 | teraflops | gunix: just saying what i think, being sincere not trying to start a flame |
| 21:29.35 | gunix | teraflops: you are obviously right |
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| 21:29.55 | gunix | my only problem is, official ceph website give debian repo, but don't give ubuntu repo |
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| 21:30.05 | gunix | and i want to use ceph and openstack on the same machines :D |
| 21:30.16 | teraflops | ah |
| 21:31.15 | teraflops | gunix: use containers^ |
| 21:31.35 | gunix | containers keep the kernel of the host. deb is 4.9, ubu is 4.4 |
| 21:31.44 | teraflops | ok man, I bail :P |
| 21:31.48 | gunix | :D |
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| 21:32.13 | gunix | i am also a noob at ceph |
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| 21:33.28 | gunix | so i have no ideea if the bugs i get are because i am bad, or because i installed somehow some unsupported ceph version for ubuntu 17.04 |
| 21:33.44 | gunix | and yes, i did that. i used ubuntu 17 instead of LTS. so i have to rebuild everything |
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| 21:34.20 | gunix | was hoping for an answer like "sure just add the packages to deb and everything will work. it will also mind read you and get the right settings" :D |
| 21:34.50 | drinks2go | that will not work. |
| 21:35.09 | drinks2go | https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 21:35.29 | gunix | what is franken? |
| 21:35.50 | drinks2go | read that wiki page! |
| 21:35.57 | drinks2go | regarding ceph maybe this will help you |
| 21:35.59 | drinks2go | https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/how-to-install-a-ceph-cluster-on-ubuntu-16-04/ |
| 21:36.15 | drinks2go | but seriously if this is for production... :( |
| 21:36.17 | teraflops | I like derpbian too :P |
| 21:36.46 | gunix | drinks2go: this will be POC right now. i could use glusterfs instead of ceph, since it is a bit more lightweight |
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| 21:37.35 | gunix | on prod i might not even need ceph, we might have some propriatary storage. HOWEVER, i would rather go through the ceph training now just in case we need something pro |
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| 21:39.37 | drinks2go | I'm just a hobbyist but I'd just build the whole thing on ubuntu were I you. |
| 21:39.52 | gunix | yea you are probably right |
| 21:40.18 | gunix | well, it's kind of ironic, because i will build the poc on a laptop from work |
| 21:40.26 | gunix | and that laptop will have debian as OS |
| 21:40.36 | gunix | since i don't like ubuntu desktop that much |
| 21:40.42 | gunix | so ... i would actually build it on debian |
| 21:40.44 | gunix | get it? :D |
| 21:40.46 | gunix | :)) |
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| 21:41.10 | drinks2go | :P |
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| 21:43.04 | orianbsilva | Hi! |
| 21:43.17 | orianbsilva | i need a little help! |
| 21:43.59 | orianbsilva | can you guys suggest me a documentation for " Why i cant have two nics on the same host on the same subnetwork" |
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| 21:45.46 | bezaban | ,v rhc |
| 21:45.47 | judd | Package: rhc on amd64 -- jessie: 1.30.3-1; buster: 1.38.7-2; sid: 1.38.7-2; stretch: 1.38.7-2 |
| 21:45.49 | bezaban | ,v oc |
| 21:45.50 | judd | No package named 'oc' was found in amd64. |
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| 21:48.22 | teraflops | orianbsilva: if youre talking about IRC, maybe #freenode is a better place for asking |
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| 21:51.10 | teraflops | xep1: this is no the right place |
| 21:51.12 | n4dir | seems to work, orianbsilva. Perhaps the culprit is the client you use |
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| 22:01.40 | qmr | does apt / dpkg have any widgets to always start with nice -5 or such? |
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| 22:11.10 | rotaticus | qmr: reniced can renice any proces iirc but there is for sure a setting for that |
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| 22:17.38 | _ssl | I need to partition and format some disks and google tells me that "partman" seems to be a good choice there, but I can't find a package to install that. any ideas? |
| 22:18.37 | bezaban | _ssl: fdisk works |
| 22:19.04 | bezaban | _ssl: do you want to do lvm? are these just extra drives? what filesystems? |
| 22:19.33 | bezaban | well fdisk works for the partitioning, mkfs for the fs |
| 22:20.13 | _ssl | yes, some extra, external drives. I'd like to have partintioning and formatting as simple as possible |
| 22:20.28 | _ssl | does that mean there is no package for partman? |
| 22:20.52 | rotaticus | _ssl: gparted perhaps |
| 22:21.00 | _ssl | regarding filesystem: that would be my next question |
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| 22:22.12 | _ssl | oh and I forgot to mention I'm working on a device similar to a raspberry pi (meaning textmode ssh only and low performance cpu) |
| 22:22.43 | mete | parted is your friend in console ;) |
| 22:22.47 | _ssl | any suggestions for a FS to chose to optimize performance? |
| 22:23.04 | mete | what does performance means for you? |
| 22:23.53 | mete | you can use ext3/4 with some special tweaks like noatime... you can also disable yournaling (then it's formerly a ext2) to improve performance... |
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| 22:24.48 | _ssl | yes those sound good. I was also thinking about increasing the block size, because it'll mainly host few huge files |
| 22:25.36 | mete | maybe #raspbian or #raspberrypi is better for such questions |
| 22:25.38 | mete | idk |
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| 22:26.43 | mete | I think there is somewhere also a german channel of you're a german speaking person |
| 22:26.53 | rotaticus | _ssl: #armbian is nice too |
| 22:27.13 | _ssl | I happen to be a german speaking person, yes |
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| 22:28.03 | rotaticus | und jetzt? die meisten deutschen channel enden mit .de |
| 22:28.07 | mete | cool _ssl, I also. but I'm not in any german channel, but I read somewhere that there are some germand channels :D |
| 22:28.21 | _ssl | but coming back to partman for a second: how can I install that? It seems to be the one-stop solution for partitioning, formatting and updating my fstab |
| 22:28.24 | mete | nah rotaticus, sei doch nicht so herablassend ;) |
| 22:28.35 | buu | I'm on debian unstable, for reasons out of my control, I need access to svn using openssl1.0 instead of the 1.1 that you get by default. Is there any sane way to make this happen? |
| 22:28.53 | rotaticus | _ssl: mete: tschuldigung |
| 22:29.02 | mete | _ssl: why not simply create a partition using parted, create a FS using mkfs.whatever and hen updating fstab manually using uuid? |
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| 22:29.13 | mete | rotaticus :D |
| 22:29.41 | mete | parted is the way to go in my opinion |
| 22:29.47 | _ssl | mete because I'd like an easy solution because I don't know linunx very well |
| 22:30.16 | _ssl | (don't even know how to spell it) |
| 22:32.46 | rotaticus | _ssl: if you run a rasberry than t[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[Cake that for experiments ... make backups now and than |
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| 22:33.22 | rotaticus | sry bad system lag on my bananapi |
| 22:33.33 | buu | How does debian even decide which lib a binary is linked to? |
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| 22:36.46 | bezaban | buu: ld |
| 22:37.11 | bezaban | some are statically 'linked' though |
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| 22:38.20 | mete | _ssl: so I can't help, sorry |
| 22:38.36 | bezaban | ,v partman |
| 22:38.37 | judd | No package named 'partman' was found in amd64. |
| 22:39.02 | _ssl | yes that's exactly the issue ;) |
| 22:39.24 | bezaban | _ssl: what can't you do without it? |
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| 22:40.03 | _ssl | nothing, I just wanted an easy solution without doing every step with a different tool |
| 22:40.08 | _ssl | I'm looking into mkfs.ext4 options now |
| 22:40.15 | alyssa | Any tips regarding checkinstall to avoid broken packages if there are dependencies / dependents? |
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| 22:40.24 | _ssl | then I need to learn how to set the fstab |
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| 22:40.53 | mete | it's not like windows :D |
| 22:40.56 | mete | sorry |
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| 22:43.02 | buu | bezaban: I need some clever way to convince svn to use libssl1.0 |
| 22:43.16 | rotaticus | _ssl: man fstab |
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| 22:44.38 | _ssl | yes I'm reading that already thanks |
| 22:44.40 | mete | and don't use the device name, use the uuid. blkid is your friend ;) |
| 22:44.53 | _ssl | ok, good tip |
| 22:45.01 | bezaban | buu: svn is just version control software? Why would it have any idea of versions? |
| 22:45.11 | bezaban | package versions |
| 22:47.00 | buu | bezaban: what? |
| 22:47.03 | nvz | alyssa: are you talking 3rd party deps you satisfied? |
| 22:47.05 | buu | I mean the literal binary named svn |
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| 22:47.09 | buu | which is linked against libssl1.1 |
| 22:47.22 | alyssa | nvz: I guess |
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| 22:48.11 | josh-debian-test | Cannot get grub to launch. Fresh install, can boot system using chainloader and external USB with grub. Listing is active in efibootmgr |
| 22:48.12 | alyssa | I have a few packages where I installed them from the Debian repos (and their -dev counterparts) and later decided to build from the source... so then I dpkg --remove the original binary and checkinstall the new one... and all hell breaks loose :) |
| 22:48.50 | nvz | alyssa: why were you building from source for newer versions? |
| 22:49.24 | alyssa | so I could switch to the bleeding edge version for development |
| 22:49.38 | alyssa | (Maybe that's a sign I've outgrown Debian :P) |
| 22:49.54 | nvz | alyssa: and you then wanted to package them to distribute to other systems? |
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| 22:50.14 | alyssa | no, just for my local system. |
| 22:50.32 | alyssa | It's my understanding that you're not supposed to `sudo make install` since then Debian doesn't know about it |
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| 22:51.08 | nvz | alyssa: see normally if you're only having a build env for something you make a chroot and keep all the build deps current in the chroot so it doesnt effect your system and you can easily back it up or move it if need be.. you dont need to package it |
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| 22:51.41 | alyssa | hm ok |
| 22:51.41 | nvz | alyssa: when using checkinstall though you have to specify on the checkinstall commandline what the build deps are.. the command gets really big and ugly if you do it right |
| 22:52.16 | nvz | alyssa: however if sid has a new enough version for your purposes following a simple sid backport proceedure may also be what you want |
| 22:52.28 | alyssa | (It doesn't, I don't think) |
| 22:52.42 | nvz | well if you get more specifc we can check |
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| 22:53.03 | alyssa | I'm being purposefully vague because there's a number of packages I'm interested in tinkering with |
| 22:55.00 | nvz | alyssa: well all I can gather from what you've said is that you're doing things in ways that will break things. I'd look into the simple sid backport, and always try that first if applicable, then I'd consider if you're doing development on something putting it in a chroot and setting up all the specific build deps, and when it comes to using checkinstall you need to read the manual carefully and specify just |
| 22:55.06 | nvz | about every option in there on the command line to set the deps, maintainer, package version, etc. |
| 22:55.17 | makeway | Hey, I'm installing Debian on a new system with with a net install iso on a flash drive and I'm not exactly sure how to get the wifi card to work so I can connect to my router and install... How would I go about that? Do I need the drivers of the wifi card or will the installer be able to work with it anyway? |
| 22:55.19 | alyssa | hm ok |
| 22:55.25 | nvz | dpkg tell alyssa about ssb |
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| 22:55.28 | alyssa | nvz: thank you for your help :-) |
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| 22:57.01 | nvz | alyssa: no problem, just keep in mind checkinstall isnt going to magically debianize source the way an experienced maintainer can especially if you dont provide it with all the details of the package. doing SSB allows you to use already debianized source to build the newer version against your current libs/deps |
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| 22:59.06 | alyssa | nods |
| 22:59.40 | nvz | makeway: what kind of wifi? netinst isnt really designed for that at least the last time I used the installer you still had to manually add the non-free firmware for that to work. Mind you I havent done an install in ages.. I've just been upgrading |
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| 23:00.19 | nvz | makeway: basically what I am saying is the kernel will have the driver, but if the card uses non-free firmware thats going to be the issue |
| 23:00.51 | nvz | and again last I checked adding firmware to the installer was in the install guide |
| 23:00.53 | makeway | Alright, I guess I'll just full-install from the machine itself |
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| 23:05.12 | josh-debian-test | Cannot get grub to launch. Fresh install, can boot system using chainloader and external USB with grub. Listing is active in efibootmgr |
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| 23:08.25 | nvz | josh-debian-test: consider me your elevator music telling you your estimated wait time may be awhile cause its friday night and nobody has really been active in awhile. I only know about EFI in theory so I can't really help with that :-/ |
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| 23:11.56 | josh-debian-test | nvz: :/ It's saturday morning here in oz . Usually mornings are the best time for tech support |
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| 23:14.09 | nvz | josh-debian-test: ah.. I'm a bit behind the times I wouldnt even know where to begin if the EFI is the problem most the regulars been quiet for the last few hours. You could try on oftc as well |
| 23:14.43 | buu | so |
| 23:15.06 | buu | What happens if I use LD_PRELOAD=libfoo1.0 when ldd shows it wants libfoo1.1 ? |
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| 23:16.34 | nvz | buu: your line of questions may be better answered in some sort of development channel as they're not really debian specific anyhow and nobody is really looking in at the moment here |
| 23:17.00 | josh-debian-test | nvz: I mean it's not urgent, I've kept this machine up for a few months and booting is only a minor inconvinience (until I lose my flash drive) |
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| 23:17.53 | josh-debian-test | nvz: Cheers, I forgot oftc was the more active debian channel |
| 23:18.06 | buu | nvz: Yeah I know, but there's not a terribly specific channel that I know of |
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| 23:18.21 | nvz | josh-debian-test: well this is the larger and older support channel, but there is always oftc which has been the "official" for many years |
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| 23:19.02 | nvz | buu: well considering your questions have been about C type stuff maybe ##c or #debian-dev or something |
| 23:19.36 | nvz | buu: also its fairly general linux stuff ##linux may even be of help |
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| 23:22.50 | Bearcat | folks, i've done something stupid and mangled my /etc/php/7.0/fpm/php.ini file and the back up i have is no good. I've been reading that i can restore the file if i delete it and run sudo apt-get -o DPkg::options::=--force-confmiss --reinstall install php7.0-fpm When i do that i get "Not replacing deleted config file /etc/php/7.0/fpm/php.ini |
| 23:22.55 | Bearcat | what am i doing wrong? |
| 23:23.04 | Bearcat | (i'm experiance in Gentoo, not debian so much) |
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| 23:24.59 | nvz | Bearcat: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 23:25.27 | nvz | Bearcat: see related factoids as well |
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| 23:28.48 | nvz | Bearcat: you may have to purge and reinstall though |
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| 23:30.18 | Bearcat | thanks nvz. If this fails i'll just extract from the deb files themselves |
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| 23:31.43 | nvz | Bearcat: yes that doesn't always work either though as sometimes config files are auto generated. |
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| 23:34.01 | Bearcat | nvz: i still get the same response. |
| 23:34.27 | nvz | Bearcat: did you try the ucf confmiss, or the purge and reinstall? |
| 23:34.45 | Bearcat | i did not. i'll try the ucf one. |
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| 23:35.19 | Bearcat | i don't understand this package manager yet. I wish i had installed gentoo on this cloud but i didn't want to be paying for all that time compiling :") |
| 23:35.32 | nvz | idk how dated those factois are but I've had these sorts of issues before and had to purge before it'd work.. problem with that is purging will delete all your configs for that package |
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| 23:36.20 | nvz | Bearcat: yes thats one nice part about debian its got stable binary packages with sane defaults.. then you just configure or recompile only as needed |
| 23:36.29 | buu | Bearcat: if you run apt source php7.0-fpm you should get a dir containing all the files, then just run find -name php.ini |
| 23:36.45 | buu | It's a little wonky but... |
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| 23:37.16 | nvz | the deb is just an ar archive, you can open it up.. but thats assuming the php.ini file isn't auto generated by a script or something |
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| 23:38.57 | cheetahw26 | if I have a user that is the member of the root group, can that user change the root password somehow? |
| 23:39.11 | cheetahw26 | no sudo installed... |
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| 23:39.45 | Bearcat | thank buu. The other commands don't seem to be working, so i'll try that |
| 23:41.53 | Plasticbox | i use sudo su but I was told not to |
| 23:42.12 | cheetahw26 | there is no sudo, so I can't do sudo su - |
| 23:42.20 | Plasticbox | I se |
| 23:42.32 | coruja | 'apt-file list php7.0-fpm | grep php.ini' returns nothing |
| 23:42.39 | nvz | cheetahw26: there are only two ways to change a users passwd and thats either manually by editing /etc/shadow which is -rw-r----- root:shadow so a root group user wont have permission or by using passwd, and passwd will always require you to provide the current password unless you are actually root, and it wont let you view or modify root's password at all |
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| 23:43.04 | nvz | cheetahw26: are you TRYING to change the root password? |
| 23:43.18 | cheetahw26 | yeah, err... trying to admin the system |
| 23:43.28 | nvz | cheetahw26: and you have local access to it? |
| 23:43.38 | cheetahw26 | I'm old admin on this box... and customer has an issue... his new admin isn't available so he reached out to me |
| 23:43.59 | cheetahw26 | my local account still has access and I'm member of root group... |
| 23:44.02 | cheetahw26 | connecting via SSH |
| 23:44.54 | nvz | cheetahw26: so you don't have direct access to the machine, its somewhere else? Then no, you're not getting root access short of discovering some vulnerability |
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| 23:45.21 | cheetahw26 | physically, I don't know where it is... think it's a hosted VPS |
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| 23:45.44 | cheetahw26 | ok, thanks... I'll just tell him I need the root pass to continue and sorry I couldn't help further |
| 23:46.48 | nvz | cheetahw26: I thought you were giving someone access to root group for some reason and asking could that allow a user to change the password.. and the answer is no. Only way to change the root password is to have access to the root user or to have access to the machine and boot it with an init=/bin/sh or something |
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| 23:47.23 | Plasticbox | have you tried sudo passwd root |
| 23:47.30 | cheetahw26 | sudo is not installed |
| 23:47.35 | cheetahw26 | :) |
| 23:47.41 | nvz | cheetahw26: you can double check permissions on /etc/shadow to make sure.. but thats the file you'd need write access to |
| 23:48.00 | nvz | by default its readable by group shadow, and writable only by user root |
| 23:48.03 | cheetahw26 | only read only for group on shadow |
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| 23:48.46 | Plasticbox | what version are you dealing with? |
| 23:50.23 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.55 | Plasticbox | Right,It seems impossible unless it was configured on purpose |
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| 23:51.57 | nvz | yep, you'd need direct access to the machine to boot it bypassing init and any login, to change the root password or you'd need to find a priv escelation vulnerability in the kernel |
| 23:52.14 | Plasticbox | is there a way to back trace the change in root or sudo possibly neither on install |
| 23:52.49 | Plasticbox | the was a bug in one of the installers |
| 23:53.11 | nvz | Plasticbox: what are you talking about/ |
| 23:53.39 | Plasticbox | granting sudo or root priv |
| 23:53.56 | nvz | yes.. what about it? |
| 23:54.07 | Plasticbox | on a system that has neither |
| 23:54.23 | nvz | Plasticbox: are you still talking about what cheetahw26 was saying? |
| 23:54.28 | Bearcat | whoo! fixed it. Thanks folks! |
| 23:54.48 | Plasticbox | nvz yes |
| 23:55.15 | cheetahw26 | sudo was never and has never been install on this debian box |
| 23:55.21 | nvz | Plasticbox: he's dealing with a remote server.. that he doesnt have the password to.. he just has an ssh key that lets him login as normal user, its not a bug, its called he doesnt have permission to be root |
| 23:55.46 | Plasticbox | okay I see |
| 23:57.21 | nvz | if in fact it was a VPS the customer could contact them and have them change the password probably.. but who knows |
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| 23:58.06 | cheetahw26 | ahh, actually customer just replied and said that the host changed the root password and won't tell him or change it again |
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| 23:58.18 | cheetahw26 | not sure if that's true, customer isn't so technical... |
| 23:58.27 | cheetahw26 | I told him to tell them to install sudo and add me |
| 23:58.51 | nvz | cheetahw26: yeah.. well you can't really make money selling a VPS and not allowing people to use it.. heh.. |
| 23:59.42 | cheetahw26 | my guess is they sold him managed services or something, but I have no idea |
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