| 00:00.14 | JoeRock | I use debian 8.9 |
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| 00:01.57 | sandiego | xD |
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| 00:08.16 | Trap-Chan | woohoo. got steam to auto start, got rid of the panels. now i just gotta figure out how to mask the boot scripts with some kind of splash screen. changing the acer splash wouldn't hurt too. |
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| 00:34.47 | nigg3rcrac3r | sup niggers |
| 00:35.06 | bazhang | !ops | nigg3rcrac3r |
| 00:35.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | nigg3rcrac3r |
| 00:35.22 | uxfi | th0r; sent a message |
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| 00:50.57 | Trap-Chan | is there a way to set debian or pulse audio to dublicate sound output to a second device? like have my HDMI sound and speaker port treated as the same device so i can have headphones hooked up without shutting off the tv speakers? |
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| 00:55.18 | bazhang | ,v padevchooser |
| 00:55.19 | judd | Package: padevchooser on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.4-1.1 |
| 00:55.33 | bazhang | ,v pavucontrol |
| 00:55.34 | judd | Package: pavucontrol on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0-1; jessie: 2.0-3; buster: 3.0-3.1; sid: 3.0-3.1; stretch: 3.0-3.1 |
| 00:55.46 | somiaj | Trap-Chan: alsa can't do that, but I belive that is one of the many features of pulse. |
| 00:56.01 | bazhang | they should have paprefs as well |
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| 00:56.28 | Trap-Chan | what's alsa? |
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| 00:56.58 | bazhang | !alsa |
| 00:56.59 | dpkg | Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards. Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <default alsa>, <alsa firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 00:58.16 | somiaj | Trap-Chan: alsa is the sound drivers used on most systems. pulseaudio runs on top of alsa as a sound server and provides lots of additional tools, like switching sound cards on the fly or even outputting to two sound cards at once as you asked. |
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| 00:58.49 | Trap-Chan | ahh cool. i'll just hafta figure out how to config that. thanx for the help. |
| 00:59.03 | somiaj | Trap-Chan: use the programs bazhang told the bot to list the versions of |
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| 01:00.48 | Trap-Chan | i already have pavucontrol i think. that's the volume mixxer app right? |
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| 01:01.01 | somiaj | for pulse, that should also let you configure pulse to do other things as well |
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| 01:01.49 | Trap-Chan | yeah i just mean that's what it's listed in the app menu when set to show generic names. |
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| 01:24.28 | TOM | ? |
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| 01:26.10 | likcoras | If you don't have pa, you can't have two applications output audio at the same time, right? |
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| 01:33.19 | kambei | I hope to someday live in a world where all children ask that question. |
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| 01:40.02 | TRS-80 | evening peeps |
| 01:40.07 | TRS-80 | The Window Switcher installation is broken, resources are missing. |
| 01:40.08 | TRS-80 | Contact your distribution about this. |
| 01:40.11 | TRS-80 | ??? |
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| 01:42.44 | jmcnaught | TRS-80: can you provide more context? |
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| 01:43.18 | TRS-80 | does it when I Alt-Tab to switch windows |
| 01:43.47 | TRS-80 | Debian Stretch, KDE Plasma whatever version is in Stretch |
| 01:44.11 | TRS-80 | was working fine, until I installed Dia |
| 01:45.04 | TRS-80 | then trying to copy paste from Firefox, Alt-Tab back to Dia and got that message |
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| 01:46.49 | jmcnaught | TRS-80: does the problem happen for other users? create a test user if no others exist |
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| 01:49.20 | TRS-80 | OK lemme save everything, bb in a few |
| 01:49.58 | jmcnaught | you shouldn't need to log the current user out, doesn't KDE have a switch users feature? |
| 01:50.52 | TRS-80 | oh yes oops |
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| 01:52.08 | TRS-80 | although, clicking that doesn't do anything, prolly because I'm the only non root user, lemme create new user |
| 01:52.13 | TRS-80 | brb |
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| 01:53.52 | TRS-80 | oh wait, not sure how long this been here but just now see a notification about Plasma closing unexpectedly |
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| 01:55.07 | TRS-80 | looking into this, rebooting, brb |
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| 02:00.08 | TRS-80 | hmm, working fine now, not sure what happened and unfortunately don't remember what I was doing enough to file a useful bug report |
| 02:00.22 | TRS-80 | or maybe it was just a one off thing... |
| 02:00.25 | bodeezl | eek |
| 02:01.07 | TRS-80 | I'm not going to worry about it unles problem persists |
| 02:01.17 | TRS-80 | thanks all the same however |
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| 02:08.32 | spinningCat | anyone use nodejs here |
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| 02:35.50 | Henry151 | how can I run a quick command and see what my processor speed is? |
| 02:36.03 | Henry151 | not how fast it is currently running, just what it is specced to |
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| 02:36.19 | bazhang | sudo lshw perhaps |
| 02:36.57 | Henry151 | that was the one I had forgotten |
| 02:36.58 | Henry151 | thanks |
| 02:37.07 | bazhang | npx |
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| 02:51.55 | gerforce | what is 'npx' abbreviated to? |
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| 02:55.26 | Paul-- | hello all |
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| 02:56.36 | Paul-- | when I run dhclient eth0 as root, this command overwrite the name server file , /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:57.11 | Paul-- | I don't understand if dhclient has a config file or no |
| 02:57.38 | Paul-- | I don't want the isp dns, 'cause they are filtered |
| 02:59.30 | jmcnaught | Paul--: one way to work around this is to use resolvconf |
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| 03:00.18 | Paul-- | I don't understand if it's dhclient that overwrite the file, or if there is another setting |
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| 03:00.36 | jmcnaught | !resolvconf |
| 03:00.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, resolvconf is a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Packages like ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, ... are compatible with it. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>, <resolv.conf>, <override dns> |
| 03:01.09 | Paul-- | !dhclient |
| 03:01.09 | dpkg | To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. See also <resolv.conf>, <override dns>. |
| 03:01.23 | jmcnaught | Paul--: you can '/msg dpkg' about the other factoids listed at the end. It's definitely dhclient that is writing resolv.conf if it gets nameserver info back from the DHCP server |
| 03:01.32 | Paul-- | ok |
| 03:01.48 | Paul-- | resolvconf is a directory |
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| 03:04.39 | jmcnaught | Paul--: check out /usr/share/doc/resolvconf/README.gz for how to use it |
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| 03:14.26 | Trap-Chan | so it seems i need an archive manager. i tried downloading p7zip but it turns out that's cli only. can anyone recomend a good solution? |
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| 03:15.45 | kajika | Trap-Chan, ark? |
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| 03:22.31 | Trap-Chan | hrm. still getting "no suitable archive manager available. |
| 03:26.47 | jmcnaught | Trap-Chan: what is telling you that? |
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| 03:27.58 | Trap-Chan | thunar when i right click and say "extract here" i guess? |
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| 03:29.25 | jmcnaught | Trap-Chan: do you have thunar-archive-plugin installed? |
| 03:30.24 | Trap-Chan | not unless the cd installed it by default. |
| 03:31.33 | Trap-Chan | looks like i do. |
| 03:31.48 | jmcnaught | Trap-Chan: I don't use thunar but the thunar package suggests thunar-archive-plugin, which recommends xarchiver (>= 0.3.9.2beta2-2) | ark | file-roller | engrampa, so any of those should work |
| 03:32.58 | Trap-Chan | is there a reason you don't use thunar? I don't know what's good I'm just using what the debian stretch dvd gave me. |
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| 03:33.06 | Trap-Chan | debian stretch cd* |
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| 03:33.59 | jmcnaught | You probably selected xfce in the installer, I use GNOME which comes with nautilus |
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| 03:35.06 | Trap-Chan | i only saw one option. then agian the install was a pain in the butt because whoever made it didn't concider that some people may be on devices with overscan. |
| 03:35.47 | Trap-Chan | I did XFCE but would likely have done GNOME if I saw it since that's what we used when I was at UNI. |
| 03:36.44 | jmcnaught | I don't know then, maybe you used an ISO that had xfce packages on it and you didn't have a network connection during the install. You can easily install GNOME now either by running 'tasksel' as root, or installing the task-gnome-desktop package |
| 03:37.39 | Trap-Chan | yeah i did the netless install ISO since my internet is out right now. |
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| 04:11.07 | Trap-Chan | how does the panel and steamBP know what packages i have installed? i have a game that launches from a shell script that i'd like to add. |
| 04:12.14 | freshbtcer2 | hello all! other then apt-get purge mysql server client, where are the important conf files that hold db and user info as well as root password? Trying to start over and it messed up my installation |
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| 04:57.36 | mender27 | Morning :) |
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| 05:21.17 | Trap-Chan | just got my copy of mighty no 9 physical in and went to install it and it's giving me permission denied. |
| 05:22.06 | mender27 | Trap-Chan: what's mighty no 9 physical? |
| 05:22.24 | Trap-Chan | the physical copy of a game i backed on kickstarter. |
| 05:23.00 | Trap-Chan | wow. 1.5 gig sh file...something tells me there's more to that than a plain text script. :P |
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| 05:24.09 | jmcnaught | Trap-Chan: the file should have come with instructions from the people who provided it to you, but you probably need to make it executable with chmod +x |
| 05:24.49 | Trap-Chan | it seems like the regeon of the thumbdrive it's on is write protected so i couldn't chmod it. coppied it and was able to. |
| 05:25.04 | Trap-Chan | but yeah absolutely no instructions. i think linux was an afterthought. |
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| 05:29.30 | Trap-Chan | and they didn't add it to /usr/share/applications so I have to do that manually to add it to steam. |
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| 05:41.03 | fru | Does anyone know how to get into single user mode on Debian 3.1. I forgot my password. |
| 05:42.29 | towo^work | use init=/bon/bash to kernel commandline at grub prompt |
| 05:42.31 | towo^work | grr |
| 05:42.37 | towo^work | use init=/bin/bash to kernel commandline at grub prompt |
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| 05:44.27 | Trap-Chan | wow. this doesn't run great on my linux machine. i may just stick to using my gaming machine for it. :P |
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| 05:48.53 | fru | Grub says omit is unrecognized command: 27. This is Debian 3.1 |
| 05:49.00 | fru | Init |
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| 05:50.51 | vlt | fru: Not as single command but as param to the kernel line. |
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| 06:15.40 | Haohmaru | the issue from yesterday turned out to be gpu-related.. i rebooted the computer (the ugly way) and then there was semi-corrupted drawing of the screen during the BIOS, and grub screens |
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| 06:16.49 | Haohmaru | i unplugged and replugged the gpu, and now it doesn't even wake the monitor up |
| 06:17.38 | Haohmaru | but this gpu has been repaired before, in an ugly way, so it's probably not dead for the first time ;] |
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| 06:20.31 | Ani- | Haohmaru, what GPU .nvidia? |
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| 06:21.27 | fru | Ok great I got a root prompt. I had to add init=/bin/bash to the end of the kernel line |
| 06:23.03 | Haohmaru | Ani-, yeah, geforce 6800GT |
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| 06:23.45 | fru | But it has root@(none):/# and the keyboard is unresponsive |
| 06:23.53 | Ani- | same happen to my 600ti |
| 06:24.16 | Haohmaru | my collegue is blasting it with a hot air gun right now ;P~ |
| 06:24.17 | fru | Probably since it's a USB keyboard |
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| 06:35.30 | Haohmaru | wooo, it works now |
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| 06:37.52 | Hukka | Hi. I'm having problems with a Thinkpad T470 and a Thunderbolt3 to DisplayPort cable. For some reasone the whole TB is dropped a few seconds after plugging the cable in, and I can't really figure out why https://gist.github.com/hukka/8304643f83aae11a86a5a7cf81476e4f |
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| 06:39.17 | Hukka | Google says that the TB port should work just fine with displays (on ubuntus, mints and whatnots), but I can't really rule out that this cable itself (StarTech) is just bad, as I don't have any other computers with TB. |
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| 06:48.27 | iodev | hi, I need help, I got an atheros QCA9377 and this is my dmesg log regarding firmware: http://dpaste.com/0SEBK1R |
| 06:49.08 | iodev | I tried to install all required firmware still, it can not load /pre-cal-pci-0000:03:00.0.bin (because it doesn't exist in a package) |
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| 06:52.41 | jelly | iodev: does the device still fail to work? |
| 06:53.08 | iodev | the device works, but if I try to use both wifi & bluetooth, wifi slows down |
| 06:53.18 | iodev | but I have firmware-5.bin and board-2.bin loaded |
| 06:53.30 | iodev | but it complains about not finding pre-cal-... |
| 06:53.37 | iodev | (which does not come packaged) |
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| 06:54.42 | jelly | lack of per-pci-slot-specific firmware doesn't have to be related with bt issues |
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| 06:56.51 | no_gravity | Good Morning |
| 06:57.04 | no_gravity | Hard links for directories are not supported anymore? |
| 06:57.08 | jelly | iodev: I think it's just a handy way to be able to load different firmware if you want more than one ath10k* device in the machine |
| 06:57.13 | jelly | no_gravity: they never were |
| 06:57.35 | iodev | jelly: ahh, ok |
| 06:57.55 | no_gravity | jelly: Really? Interesting. |
| 06:57.57 | iodev | maybe I should investigate the code, all I want to know is if firmware-5.bin and board-2.bin are enough |
| 06:58.09 | iodev | (and if I'm not missing something I should have) |
| 06:58.11 | no_gravity | jelly: It seems softlinks are not fully transparent. |
| 06:58.46 | no_gravity | Having a soft linked directory in a www dir for apache, it behaves differently then having a copy of the dir. |
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| 06:59.15 | jelly | no_gravity: that's intentional on the apache side |
| 07:00.03 | no_gravity | Would be nice if one could link a library into a project. Instead of having to copy it. |
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| 07:00.44 | jelly | no_gravity: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/core.html#options read about SymlinksIfOwnerMatch and FollowSymlinks |
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| 07:02.28 | no_gravity | jelly: I think the problem I encounter is a different one. Might be on the PHP side. |
| 07:02.33 | jelly | also, apache has Alias (mod_alias) to map an URL path to a different place in the filesystem |
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| 07:03.14 | jelly | (and Redirect and Rewrite which are more powerful and more complex) |
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| 07:04.01 | no_gravity | jelly: It's not about urls. |
| 07:04.09 | no_gravity | jelly: It's about php scripts including relative paths. |
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| 07:05.50 | no_gravity | if /a/b/f.php has include("../lib.php") and y is a softlink to a/b then /x/y/f.php looks for lib.php in /a/ rather then in /x/. |
| 07:06.10 | no_gravity | Like it "knows" it's in x. |
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| 07:06.40 | no_gravity | Like it "knows" it's in a I mean. |
| 07:06.44 | no_gravity | A confusing topic. |
| 07:07.06 | no_gravity | I could swear I once solved this with hardlinks in 2005. |
| 07:07.10 | jelly | how about you show actual state |
| 07:07.22 | no_gravity | show state? |
| 07:07.37 | jelly | ls -ld /a/b/f.php /a/b /a/b/../lib.php |
| 07:08.05 | no_gravity | I'm no linking the files. Im linking the dir. It has trillions of files. |
| 07:08.29 | no_gravity | And they change when the lib gets updated. So I cannot always sync it by creating gazillions of links. |
| 07:08.53 | jelly | still I'm afraid I can't help if you avoid showing what's really there |
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| 07:10.45 | jelly | the invented example is more confusing than explaining the issue |
| 07:11.52 | no_gravity | Ok, here we go. I just made a real examples with just 2 dirs and one file that shows the issue: |
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| 07:13.05 | no_gravity | a/a.php contains only this: <?php echo __DIR__; |
| 07:13.20 | no_gravity | then ln -s a b |
| 07:13.26 | no_gravity | then php b/a.php |
| 07:13.46 | no_gravity | shows: /a |
| 07:13.57 | no_gravity | It thinks it's in dir a. While it is in b. |
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| 07:14.38 | jelly | well, it's not in b |
| 07:15.02 | no_gravity | Yeah, but it only works if it is in b. |
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| 07:15.08 | no_gravity | So I guess a hardlink would solve it. |
| 07:15.12 | jelly | what only works? |
| 07:15.31 | no_gravity | The a.php looks for a config file in "../config.php". |
| 07:15.59 | no_gravity | So if you throw a/ into a project it will read the projects config file. |
| 07:16.09 | no_gravity | But that does not work if you just softlink. |
| 07:16.19 | jelly | that's how symlinks work |
| 07:16.54 | no_gravity | And I wonder if I am halluzinating that I solved that with a hardlink in 2005. |
| 07:16.54 | jelly | more correctly, that's how .. works |
| 07:17.34 | jelly | symlink is dereferenced at usage time, and .. always points to the parent directory |
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| 07:18.18 | no_gravity | If hardlinks on directories never were supported... maybe I solved it via mount? |
| 07:18.29 | jelly | bind mount may work, maybe |
| 07:18.37 | no_gravity | Ahh! Memories come up. |
| 07:18.41 | no_gravity | I think that is what I did. |
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| 07:20.00 | no_gravity | Ah yes. And the ugly part is that you have to put that into the boot sequence. |
| 07:20.15 | no_gravity | Or you will just have an empty dir where the "hardlink" should be. |
| 07:20.17 | jelly | this design looks rather ugly, but I don't know enough about php to say if that's the norm or there's a better way to do things |
| 07:20.36 | no_gravity | The norm is to copy the library into the project. |
| 07:20.40 | jelly | bind mounts can be put in fstab like other mounts |
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| 07:21.02 | jelly | no_gravity: or the library should reference config by "../foo" |
| 07:21.06 | jelly | shouldn't* |
| 07:21.22 | no_gravity | jelly: How should she reference it? |
| 07:21.38 | jelly | give it parameters when you call it, dunno |
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| 07:23.53 | jelly | a named parameter telling where the config is, and only use ../foo as backward-compatible fallback? |
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| 07:24.57 | no_gravity | Well, it does not really always get "called". It's more like a module. If you throw it into /yourproject/themodule/ then users can access it at yourserver.com/themodule/ |
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| 07:25.18 | no_gravity | So it get's executed directly without interacting with your code. |
| 07:25.24 | no_gravity | Pretty convenient. |
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| 07:25.56 | jelly | that sounds horrible |
| 07:26.02 | no_gravity | How so? |
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| 07:26.58 | jelly | something appears in web URL namespace and gets used automatically, but doesn't rely on URL namespace and instead searches for files on the filesystem? |
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| 07:27.21 | no_gravity | Well it's a module for a certain dashboard. |
| 07:27.27 | no_gravity | It fits in perfectly. |
| 07:27.31 | jelly | is this how php does things? |
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| 07:27.43 | no_gravity | php is a turing complete language like any other. |
| 07:28.10 | jelly | that's not a compliment |
| 07:28.16 | no_gravity | Usually coders (no matter which language) copy libraries into their project. |
| 07:28.42 | no_gravity | But since this module is used in many projects on a certain server, I would like to de-duplicate it. |
| 07:28.52 | no_gravity | So updating it once updates all projects for example. |
| 07:29.09 | jelly | usually, distro maintainers then tear embedded code copies out and try to keep _one_ copy of some code in a distro |
| 07:29.28 | no_gravity | Well, distros are a different topic then server software. |
| 07:30.20 | no_gravity | Not sure if you know packagist, npm, rubygems, pip etc. |
| 07:30.21 | jelly | copies of same code in many places are everyone's maintenance pain; distros just try to solve it one way |
| 07:30.47 | no_gravity | Do you code projects in any web environment like PHP, Node, Python, Ruby? |
| 07:31.01 | jelly | no, I'm not a coder |
| 07:31.06 | no_gravity | I see. |
| 07:31.23 | no_gravity | Because that is how all these environments handle it. Libraries get copied into the project. |
| 07:31.33 | jelly | this is frankly disgusting :-) |
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| 07:32.14 | no_gravity | It is. But well, "dll hell" was not that easy to handle either :) |
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| 07:32.27 | jelly | (it's just fine for development, but not deployment) |
| 07:32.59 | no_gravity | needs to get the first coffee of the day... |
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| 07:38.00 | nehemiah | I have a nvidia optimus card in my laptop. In Linux mint I can switch manually between Intel and Nvidia. How can I get this to work in Debian? |
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| 07:39.15 | zaoqi | How can I get the minimal root filesystem?(armhf/armel) |
| 07:39.16 | babilen | nehemiah: You install and configure bumblebee |
| 07:39.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell nehemiah about bumblebee |
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| 07:44.25 | zaoqi | How can I get the minimal root filesystem?(armhf/armel) |
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| 07:46.36 | klys | zaoqi, it all starts with unpacking http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.24-15_armhf.deb and running lib/ld-linux.so.3 |
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| 07:47.06 | klys | for more automated work, try debootstrap |
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| 07:56.06 | iodev | nvm the question, doesn't work otherwise :D |
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| 07:58.37 | g0zzy | I have a Thinkpad T410 here that is quite sniffy about booting from a USB stick. It starts well and i think it's all going well, then i find i'm at the Debian 8 login dialog - which is quite a feat, having 'nearly' booted a completely different OS. What do you think could be going on there? |
| 08:00.47 | klys | it would have rebooted because of a triple fault, most likely overheating |
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| 08:04.11 | g0zzy | Well, in normal operation, no sign of thermal issues ever arises |
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| 08:04.36 | mender27 | Morning :). |
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| 08:12.05 | mender27 | Is it still possible to install and configure an alternative init system on Debian? |
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| 08:14.07 | babilen | mender27: Sure, they might not be as well tested and/or integrated, but you can install and use them |
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| 08:14.41 | mender27 | babilen: I just looked into the package repositories and apparently runit is packaged with some systemd integration even :). I'll have a look, thanks! |
| 08:15.43 | mender27 | I guess my next step is learning how to package for Debian then. |
| 08:16.14 | HeXiLeD | any issues disabling PackageKit Daemon from systemctl ? |
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| 08:16.38 | babilen | mender27: In the end it depends on how much you care, what you expect to gain by it, how much work you are willing to do in order to deal with bugs that weren't reported (due to little exposure) and how much you know about dealing with them in a productive manner |
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| 08:17.41 | babilen | In the end having multiple well integrated and functioning init systems would be great, but time and resources are finite, so I'd expect systemd to be the "safest" choice for now |
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| 08:26.00 | mender27 | babilen: yes, I'm fully aware of that :). I did try runit once on Jessie and was quite happy with it, but it's not a top priority for me. I'd rather help with bug testing and packaging for the stuff that matters a bit more. |
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| 08:26.45 | mender27 | That's why I'm running vanilla Sid with Openbox on my main workstation. The rest runs Stretch. |
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| 08:27.07 | babilen | Fair enough, have fun! :) |
| 08:27.31 | mender27 | Thanks a lot! Though there is way too many interesting things to do at once ;D. |
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| 08:41.43 | gpunk | good morning |
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| 08:42.09 | gpunk | I upgraded my jessie to stretch , I ended up have a couple of issues |
| 08:42.30 | gpunk | I cant activate php_pgsql |
| 08:42.40 | gpunk | and firewalld wont restart |
| 08:42.48 | gpunk | any help ? |
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| 08:45.20 | leibniz | yea |
| 08:45.27 | leibniz | i also need to install weechat 1.9 |
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| 08:55.39 | darsie | How do I make firefox display pdfs in okular? I set Applications/pdf to okular, but it still opens them in gimp, and only when I click the pdf in the download arrow menu, not right after clicking the pdf link. |
| 08:56.18 | darsie | ahh, there's another pdf setting ... |
| 08:56.51 | gpunk | g0zzy: thnx,, I saw it beeing disabled, so I enabled it with php5enmod pgsql |
| 08:56.51 | gpunk | php5enmod pdo_pgsql |
| 08:57.04 | gpunk | still no luck |
| 08:57.07 | darsie | works now |
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| 09:06.20 | gpunk | firewalld is fixed now, but for php_pgsql |
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| 09:06.42 | gpunk | it is installing php-pgsql_1%3a7.0+49_all.deb |
| 09:06.50 | gpunk | and I have php5 , is that normal ? |
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| 09:08.01 | jelly | it's normal for jessie, less normal for stretch |
| 09:08.35 | gpunk | my website based on postgresql doesnt work anymore, I am really stuck |
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| 09:11.01 | thms | I've been trying to cron this for so many days: 9 11 * * * /sbin/iptables -I INPUT -s 163.172.16.181 -p tcp --dport 443 -j ACCEPT |
| 09:11.06 | thms | what's wrong with it ? |
| 09:11.13 | thms | I placed in /etc/cron.d/afi |
| 09:11.19 | thms | afi is name chosen by me |
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| 09:13.34 | jelly | thms: that's a global crontab file, so you're missing the username column after time definition, before the command |
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| 09:14.00 | jelly | 9 11 * * * root /sbin/iptables -I INPUT -s 163.172.16.181 -p tcp --dport 443 -j ACCEPT |
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| 09:15.00 | jelly | thms: man 5 crontab, there's a section called "Jobs in /etc/cron.d/" |
| 09:15.05 | thms | damn it |
| 09:15.15 | thms | 2 days for that :D;, thanks |
| 09:15.43 | jelly | finding the right manual to read can be fun, eh |
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| 09:20.35 | Donatas | Hi debianphiles |
| 09:21.04 | Donatas | Could someone explain why debian stretch out of the box doesn't even support usb android phone, when jessy version did ? |
| 09:21.27 | Donatas | Whats the deal, why its going backwards ? |
| 09:21.43 | Donatas | I'm using debian xfce |
| 09:22.27 | Donatas | device seam to be recognised by OS which I have checked using a command that I do not remember anymore |
| 09:22.33 | Donatas | but it doesn't mount |
| 09:23.15 | vlt | thms: You can run `crontab -e` to edit your user crontab file directly. |
| 09:23.19 | Donatas | Anyone ? Any suggestions ? Just to let you I did try to instal mtp-tools |
| 09:23.31 | thms | vlt, yes, I know that :) thanks! |
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| 09:23.50 | Donatas | p.s. windows 10 works fine, no crashes, no blue screens |
| 09:23.51 | thms | But we prefer to keep em in directories with names related so it doesnt get a mess whre nyou have 1k users :) |
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| 09:25.14 | Silvester | hey guys, sorry to bother you - i'm sort of new to the whole *nix thing, but i can't help but notice that after uninstalling evolution (sudo apt-get remove evolution) even after a few days the evolution processes (daemons?) are still running |
| 09:25.24 | Silvester | perhaps i did this the wrong way |
| 09:25.27 | Silvester | how do i get rid of those |
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| 09:26.31 | Silvester | http://i.imgur.com/1RHtTtH.png a screenshot for the willing |
| 09:26.40 | thms | does crontab -r* remove something ? (I don't want ot try) |
| 09:27.10 | Donatas | Silvester: As far as I can tell, evolution is highly integrated into the system with Gnome desktop |
| 09:27.33 | Silvester | thms: is it save to just remove all current crontabs like that? |
| 09:27.48 | Silvester | Donatas: :( so, even if I want to use another mail client, I am stuck with evo's background things? |
| 09:27.58 | thms | Silvester, someone accidently typed this. |
| 09:28.13 | Silvester | that's a very Microsoft-brings-you-Windows-98 kind of deal with the integration |
| 09:28.27 | Silvester | i don't want to accidentally type that hahaha |
| 09:28.33 | thms | crontab: invalid option -- '*' @ Silvester :) |
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| 09:29.26 | Donatas | Silvester: Thats what ubuntu team had to go through to decouple evolution from the system so that user have a choice, on debian it is still there integrated. You can remove, but then you need to know exacly all the packages... In some cases, from my experience, its impossible to truly remove without breaking the order of packages |
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| 09:30.03 | Silvester | thanks Donatas! |
| 09:30.09 | Silvester | that's rather unfortunate... but I can live with it |
| 09:30.27 | Silvester | I'm loving Debian so far, been a Windows user up until a few days ago :) thank you all for the experience |
| 09:30.38 | mender27 | Does anyone have experience with Debian on iMacs? I have this late-2009 Intel iMac that unfortunately is too old for MacOS X, but can be converted to a reasonably fast Linux machine (Core Duo 2 GHz, 2GB RAM, Radeon X1600 graphics). |
| 09:30.51 | mender27 | Silvester: welcome to the new world! :D |
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| 09:31.17 | Donatas | You could leave some packages that are there, its not a bit deal, not big footprint. I would probably even leave evolution and use other client |
| 09:31.33 | Donatas | ps. xfce doesnt have evolution integration |
| 09:31.46 | Donatas | not sure about other desktop env |
| 09:32.00 | gpunk | jelly: I fixed it :) |
| 09:32.18 | mender27 | Donatas: I thought only GNOME3 has Evolution integration, no? |
| 09:32.50 | Donatas | mender27: Yes I think so also, but not sure about mate, cinnamon |
| 09:33.22 | Silvester | mender27 : I saw somebody running Mint on an iMac from that era, so presumably it should run fine? I have no experience with it myself though. also thanks! :) |
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| 09:34.43 | Silvester | there seems to be a guide on the Debian wiki for a 10.1 iMac (27 inch, late 2009) model. doesn't seem to be complete though :o |
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| 09:35.00 | mender27 | Silvester: ah, Mint? Then Debian with some tweaking (especially for the Broadcom wireless chip) would probably be fine. I just hope it's not the 32-bit EFI model.I could also open it up to see what I'm up against :D. |
| 09:35.36 | Silvester | good luck! :) |
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| 09:37.18 | mender27 | Ah, I might actually be lucky, because this model has an Atheros wifi! Much like the partially broken MacBook (non-Pro) from the same vintage, I guess. Will investigate and do a write-up perchance. |
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| 09:40.32 | Trap-Chan | is there a way to know if this product will have debian friendly drivers? https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7BJ46Y7765&cm_re=laptop_internal_bd_burner-_-9SIA7BJ46Y7765-_-Product |
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| 09:44.19 | kmlsls | I need to setup 3 primary dns server for my company, I am using ansible for server configuration, Can I use my 3 dns servers without using master/slave? |
| 09:45.08 | mender27 | Trap-Chan: apart from googling the model, I wouldn't know, but I think it should. No reason Linux should not have Bluray support :). |
| 09:45.14 | enyc | kmlsls: i used to have asscripted system that scp'ed data files to each server ;p |
| 09:45.56 | kmlsls | enyc: my dns is managed by ansible too |
| 09:46.04 | Trap-Chan | mender27, I didn't know if BD had like manu specific chips and you needed exactly the right propriatary drivers to get the most out of your hardware. |
| 09:46.09 | enyc | kmlsls: ok i dont know all about ansible |
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| 09:46.44 | kmlsls | my questiones, is about dns? do I need master/slave? |
| 09:46.51 | Trap-Chan | also do you guys know how a slotload drive like that would handle being mounted horizontally instead of vertically? or how well they handle non uniform sized disks? |
| 09:46.57 | kmlsls | if copy my data using an external tool |
| 09:47.44 | enyc | kmlsls: how does the DATA get into the dns servers? |
| 09:47.53 | enyc | kmlsls: i mean i know the basic serevr config managed by ansible |
| 09:48.01 | enyc | kmlsls: but what about all the A/AAAA records etc etc |
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| 09:49.24 | Trap-Chan | so weird. widevine keeps crashing. i wonder if it's because i switched from my neighbor's internet back to mine since mine got reconnected? |
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| 09:51.21 | mender27 | Trap-Chan: unfortunately, optical drives are something I'm not familiar with :D. |
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| 09:51.39 | mender27 | At least not on such an intimate level. |
| 09:51.52 | kmlsls | enyc: the data is managed by ansible too |
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| 09:54.12 | enyc | kmlsls: withotu nknowing ansixle specifically, i would have thought//expected it could just put data into all the auth servers separately, no need to use AXFR protocol per-se. This way, you avoid ''master'' serevr benig down and none of the others being able to update etc. |
| 09:54.42 | enyc | kmlsls: there is a #ansible channel on freenode..... |
| 09:55.16 | kmlsls | enyc: thanks, but the question was about, I can avoid master/slave |
| 09:55.21 | kmlsls | anyway thanks |
| 09:55.38 | enyc | kmlsls: well that what i was saying |
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| 09:55.52 | enyc | kmlsls: if ansible can put all the data into all the dns servers directly, all of them being 'masters' ... |
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| 09:56.03 | enyc | kmlsls: then you don't need AXFR master//slave i would think |
| 09:56.12 | enyc | kmlsls: but be SPECIFIC -- what did you MEAN by ''master//slave'' |
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| 09:56.38 | kmlsls | enync: I will try to check the dns rfc |
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| 09:56.48 | enyc | kmlsls: aurgh there be dragons |
| 09:57.09 | enyc | kmlsls: AXFR basically just refers to dns duplication by port 53 dns connections, making an AXFR request ;p |
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| 09:57.41 | enyc | kmlsls: https://cr.yp.to/djbdns/axfr-notes.html <- actually quite useful but out of date likely |
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| 10:04.25 | bezaban | multi-master authorative should be ok as long as you're not dynamically updating the zone and keep them in sync |
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| 11:06.30 | Vizva | i did a install on a usb encrypted with debian 9.its Sandisk Ultra Stick.It say cryptsetup lvm isnt avalaible.But i have another stick a sandisk Extremme .it work there. someone maybe know why . in openbsd i can install too on the ultra but i takes some times to identify, searching for the scsii ports |
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| 11:08.33 | xuhui | hi |
| 11:08.41 | mender27 | xuhui: hello again ;D |
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| 11:19.12 | xuhui | :D |
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| 11:23.55 | gpunk | hi since I updated jessie to stretch, |
| 11:24.10 | gpunk | I get IPs instead of hostnames with w who and last |
| 11:24.16 | gpunk | any ideas ? |
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| 11:25.10 | enyc | gpunk: hrrm i do too |
| 11:25.18 | gpunk | ;) |
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| 11:29.45 | BluesKaj | Howdy all |
| 11:30.11 | babilen | Afternoon, what can we do for you? |
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| 11:32.22 | BluesKaj | Hi babilen, nothing yet, I did have an odd shutdown last night tho, a stop job that took 90 secs to complete |
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| 11:33.18 | babilen | And you came here to ask about that? |
| 11:33.24 | BluesKaj | no menu were apps open at the time |
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| 11:34.08 | BluesKaj | not specifically |
| 11:34.39 | apollo13 | ah the joys of systemd on shutdown, are you using gdm3? :D |
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| 11:37.01 | BluesKaj | apollo13, no, kde/plasma |
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| 11:44.55 | gpunk | enyc: and no fix about that ? |
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| 11:46.49 | donatas | If anyone is maintaining debian distros, gvfs-backends should be installed by default on debian stretch xfce, as without it thunar would not auto-mount USB mobile device |
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| 11:49.44 | Vizva | i think the chip in the extreme stick is low quality |
| 11:49.53 | Vizva | no worng in the ultra stick |
| 11:49.56 | Vizva | wrong |
| 11:50.02 | Vizva | the extreme stick is good |
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| 11:51.05 | armin | donatas: sure everybody would want that just because they install a graphical environment? (i'm not maintaining one, i'm just curious...) |
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| 11:52.28 | iodev | Vizva: you mean kingston? |
| 11:52.39 | Vizva | sandisk |
| 11:52.45 | iodev | ahh, ok |
| 11:53.03 | Vizva | i have extreme sticks i can use them near like a ssd |
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| 11:53.29 | Vizva | but the ultry stick isnt so good not so fast and warranty too,low |
| 11:53.37 | Vizva | +a |
| 11:53.40 | donatas | assuming that everyone has a mobile and its quite likely they would plug it as usb device MTP mode, I would say its a must feature to work and without this package thunar can't automount USB MTP device |
| 11:54.11 | iodev | I just use command line |
| 11:54.13 | iodev | and jmptfs |
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| 11:54.33 | iodev | I wish android used mass-storage |
| 11:54.45 | donatas | well, there are many things you can do, but GUI is probably still the future for most users |
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| 11:54.56 | donatas | besides, automation is the way forward |
| 11:55.07 | CQ | if I wakeonlan a machine, how would I best check if it's up? sleep a minute and ping? |
| 11:55.11 | iodev | GUI, GUI, please donatas, the command line is the best! |
| 11:55.33 | iodev | for me, a gui should allow me quick access to cli, if it does that it's good ;-) |
| 11:56.11 | donatas | its good on many things, e.g. mpsyt, but still, just because there is manual gearbox and petrol engines, doesn't mean you need to refuse automatic gearboxes and electric cars |
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| 12:03.56 | mitmf | sudo pip install pybombs |
| 12:03.56 | mitmf | bash: sudo: command not found <â whatâs wrong? |
| 12:04.15 | tremolo | Nothing. All is as it should be. |
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| 12:04.27 | mitmf | why i cantâ install it? |
| 12:04.34 | tremolo | Do you have sudo installed? |
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| 12:06.15 | jelly | mitmf: avoid running pip install as root, that way lies pain and suffering |
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| 12:06.33 | jelly | set up virtualenv and install whatever you want in there |
| 12:07.19 | mitmf | virtualenv |
| 12:07.33 | mitmf | tremolo: how can i install sudo? |
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| 12:08.30 | tremolo | as root: apt install sudo |
| 12:08.36 | mitmf | oh |
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| 12:09.02 | tremolo | Or, if you're already root, don't worry about it and just don't run sudo. |
| 12:09.20 | mitmf | tremolo: i m user now instead of root |
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| 12:09.47 | mitmf | jelly: how can i install virtualenv? |
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| 12:13.09 | jelly | mitmf: it's in virtualenv package. |
| 12:13.45 | jelly | mitmf: use "su -" with root's password in a terminal to open a root shell |
| 12:14.22 | mitmf | ok thanks |
| 12:14.43 | jelly | mitmf: if you prefer sudo, install sudo, add your normal user to sudo group: "adduser username sudo", log off and back on |
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| 12:17.58 | kurolox | Hello! I'm looking to do a headless debian install in my server, since it won't be running a display. Is it worth it, or should I just attach a screen and run the usual debian install? |
| 12:17.58 | CQ | does anacron run daily, hourly, or every minute? |
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| 12:18.27 | mitmf | adduser username sudo <â this is required? jelly ? |
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| 12:19.28 | mitmf | adduser abc sudo |
| 12:19.28 | mitmf | bash: adduser: command not found |
| 12:19.36 | mitmf | jelly: whatâs wrong? |
| 12:20.03 | evolution_ | using dpkg-split and then uploading to my apt server will whole package will be installed or only a part of it? |
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| 12:20.57 | tremolo | kurolox: Are you asking about doing the install with no screen attached, or whether it's worth not installing a desktop environment package? |
| 12:22.20 | tremolo | kurolox: The latter, definitely; the former, maybe. |
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| 12:22.42 | kurolox | The first one. I could attach a screen to the server to make the install easier, but it's not that accesible so I'd rather not. |
| 12:22.51 | SuperSeriouCat | mitmf, you got to do "sudo adduser" |
| 12:22.56 | tremolo | mitmf: Are you root? |
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| 12:23.50 | mitmf | sudo adduser |
| 12:23.50 | mitmf | sudo: unable to resolve host CDE |
| 12:23.51 | mitmf | adduser: Only one or two names allowed. |
| 12:24.14 | tremolo | kurolox: I've done installs over ssh, but I had a monitor attached to walk through the menus and load the ssh module, get an ip address, etc. |
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| 12:25.02 | kurolox | tremolo I'll get working on that, then. Does the debian installer have an option for not installing a DE or graphical drivers? |
| 12:25.17 | kurolox | or should I remove them post-install? |
| 12:25.18 | tremolo | Well, I guess I've done debootstrap installs, but that's a little different. |
| 12:25.23 | mitmf | tremolo: and SuperSeriouCat ? |
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| 12:25.44 | tremolo | kurolox: Should be able to just not select the desktop tasks during install. |
| 12:25.49 | SuperSeriouCat | mitmf, copy your whole line here |
| 12:26.14 | mitmf | sudo adduser |
| 12:26.14 | mitmf | sudo: unable to resolve host CDE |
| 12:26.15 | mitmf | adduser: Only one or two names allowed. |
| 12:27.04 | SuperSeriouCat | You need to add the name of your user after. "sudo adduser <name>" |
| 12:27.52 | mitmf | adduser username sudo <â i already do it. SuperSeriouCat |
| 12:28.17 | tremolo | The point of adding yourself to the sudo group is so you can use sudo. If you can use sudo to do this, then you don't need to. |
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| 12:29.15 | mitmf | sudo pip install pybombs |
| 12:29.16 | mitmf | sudo: unable to resolve host CDE. |
| 12:29.17 | mitmf | sudo: pip: command not found. tremolo |
| 12:29.47 | mitmf | but host canât use sudo tremolo |
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| 12:33.21 | SuperSeriouCat | You dont have access to "su root"? If you do edit /etc/sudoers and add your name with the same arguments as root user down in the document |
| 12:33.37 | mitmf | SuperSeriouCat: whatâs wrong? |
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| 12:38.02 | mitmf | https://askubuntu.com/questions/466122/why-i-got-unable-to-resolve-host-when-i-do-sudo <â SuperSeriouCat it is ok? |
| 12:38.06 | `Kevin | mitmf: does your machine hostname match within /etc/hosts? sounds like you renamed your host but didnt update the fil |
| 12:38.14 | `Kevin | or well exactly that |
| 12:38.29 | mitmf | `Kevin: thanks i will try it |
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| 12:38.49 | mitmf | why debian is too difficult to use? |
| 12:38.51 | mitmf | :( |
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| 12:39.59 | drinks2go | hey all |
| 12:40.08 | mitmf | `Kevin: thanks i changed hostname before but i never change /etc/hosts file :) |
| 12:40.32 | drinks2go | Can someone please answer is it safe to put a system account into gid 100 ? |
| 12:40.43 | drinks2go | I am in permissions hell |
| 12:40.46 | mitmf | sudo pip install pybombs |
| 12:40.46 | mitmf | sudo: pip: command not found |
| 12:40.50 | BluesKaj | mitmf, you must change both host files |
| 12:40.58 | mitmf | oh good thanks :) |
| 12:41.12 | mitmf | BluesKaj: anyway whatâs wrong? |
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| 12:41.52 | BluesKaj | change /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname |
| 12:42.05 | mitmf | BluesKaj: i did it already |
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| 12:42.12 | BluesKaj | ok |
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| 12:42.14 | mitmf | sudo: pip: command not found <â BluesKaj whatâs wrong? |
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| 12:44.03 | drinks2go | anybody? system account into users group? danger? no big deal? |
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| 12:44.47 | tremolo | mitmf: Do you have pip installed? |
| 12:44.55 | BluesKaj | pip, what does that do? I meant if ou want to change your hostname you must change it in both /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname |
| 12:45.00 | mitmf | tremolo: but there is no pip |
| 12:45.18 | tremolo | Well, you're telling sudo to run pip as root. |
| 12:45.20 | mitmf | sudo apt-get install pip |
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| 12:45.27 | mitmf | there is no pip |
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| 12:45.45 | tremolo | That's what sudo is telling you. |
| 12:45.57 | `Kevin | ^ |
| 12:46.33 | mitmf | sudo apt-get install python-pip <â this is correct? |
| 12:47.00 | jolt | mitmf: yes. But I usually do this instead: apt get install python-setuptools ; easy_install pip |
| 12:47.08 | jolt | Because then you get the latest version of pip |
| 12:47.18 | jolt | If you don't need it, well, then python-pip is perfect |
| 12:47.44 | mitmf | then i will do âsudo apt-get install python-pip' |
| 12:47.50 | jolt | +1 |
| 12:47.51 | mitmf | debian is too hard to me |
| 12:47.54 | mitmf | :( |
| 12:48.42 | jolt | mitmf: You're doing great |
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| 12:48.49 | mitmf | thanks :) |
| 12:48.51 | kurolox | tremolo I'm done with the install, but after booting it this happens |
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| 12:48.53 | kurolox | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/184805405543759876/350260001983561748/IMG_20170824_144744.jpg |
| 12:49.29 | kurolox | I'll brb |
| 12:49.45 | drinks2go | ? |
| 12:49.55 | tremolo | So, /dev/sdc1 does not exist. Did it change when you removed the install media? |
| 12:50.09 | yoyoweqw | hi |
| 12:50.25 | soso | hello |
| 12:50.36 | kurolox | I'm not sure, since I can't check fdisk right now |
| 12:50.56 | kurolox | Right now the only storage plugged in is the one that haves debian installed |
| 12:51.05 | tremolo | Can you `ls /dev/sd*`? |
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| 12:52.09 | kurolox | there's dev/sda and dev/sdb (also sdb1, sdb2 and sdb5) |
| 12:52.15 | kurolox | there's no sdc though |
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| 12:53.42 | `Kevin | kurolox: try mounting whichever partition is your rootfs and editing etc/fstab (update it to sdb from sdc) |
| 12:54.05 | `Kevin | im guessing sdb2 or sdb5 |
| 12:54.28 | `Kevin | <- afk |
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| 12:55.09 | `Kevin | ah sorry also I think busybox has a vi for editing iirc |
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| 12:55.36 | tremolo | I'm guessing sdb1, assuming there's no sda1. The partition number wouldn't have changed. |
| 12:57.21 | zaoqi | How can I get the minimal root filesystem?(armhf,armel) Kindle will halt when running debootstrap. |
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| 12:58.54 | BluesKaj | kurolox, tremolo what about e2fsck /dev/sda and the other partitions? |
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| 13:04.24 | kurolox | sorry, I was away |
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| 13:05.34 | kurolox | it seems like I can't mount any of them |
| 13:06.21 | kurolox | I've done 'mkdir mount' and 'mount /dev/sdXY /mount', but it says that there's no such file or directory |
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| 13:06.39 | kurolox | ls |
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| 13:08.33 | kurolox | also BluesKaj, it complains about not finding any media on dev/sda |
| 13:08.57 | kurolox | same with dev/sdb |
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| 13:10.48 | BluesKaj | kurolox, ok, I see it now ..is there more than one drive whether usb or sata hdd ? |
| 13:11.00 | kurolox | no |
| 13:11.09 | BluesKaj | ok, not good |
| 13:11.25 | kurolox | actually sorry, I was wrong |
| 13:11.46 | kurolox | e2fsck detects dev/sdb, but the message was quite similar compared to dev/sda |
| 13:11.54 | kurolox | it complains about bad magic number in super-block |
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| 13:12.23 | kurolox | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209325229233799169/350266013633347585/IMG_20170824_151057.jpg |
| 13:13.35 | BluesKaj | is the an option offered to fix like yes or no? |
| 13:13.45 | kurolox | no |
| 13:13.51 | kurolox | just what you see |
| 13:14.02 | kurolox | I've tried running e2fsck with that two superblocks, but I get the same output |
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| 13:15.17 | kurolox | I'll try installing debian again, but this time watching carefully the partitioning |
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| 13:17.13 | tremolo | kurolox: BluesKaj: /dev/sdb doesn't contain a filesystem. It contains a partition table. |
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| 13:18.42 | BluesKaj | kurolox, did you use separate / (root) and /home partitions , it's a good policy that can save time and all your config settinhs if you ned to reinstall then just reinstall to / and set the mountpoint for /home without reformatting it |
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| 13:19.28 | tremolo | That's why /dev/sdb{1,2,5} exist, and one or more of them likely contain filesystems. I expect /dev/sdb1 to contain the root filesystem. |
| 13:20.00 | kurolox | Actually I just went for the simple install with everything in the same partition |
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| 13:21.03 | BluesKaj | is this a UEFI or BIOS pc ? |
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| 13:22.00 | kurolox | bios |
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| 13:23.51 | CQ | do debian systems automatically run ntp / ntpdate or something like that? I have a machine whose time is off |
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| 13:24.52 | BluesKaj | kurolox, then installing should be simple and easy, unless you have valuable data on any of the partitions |
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| 13:26.06 | kurolox | I don't have any valuable data. I did a full install in the drive, using a single partition. I'm doing it again just to be sure |
| 13:27.14 | BluesKaj | kurolox, suggest you use gparted live media to reset your partiton(s) |
| 13:27.21 | Ormu | CQ: systemd-timesyncd seems to be running on my computer at least |
| 13:27.53 | kurolox | BluesKaj I'll probably just zero the drive |
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| 13:28.10 | kurolox | if this time it doesn't work, I mean |
| 13:28.17 | BluesKaj | just format it |
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| 13:39.46 | kurolox | BluesKaj |
| 13:39.48 | kurolox | same stuff happens |
| 13:40.30 | kurolox | when installing debian it was installing to /dev/sdc |
| 13:40.55 | kurolox | but after removing the install USB it seems like it's now /dev/sdb, and the system is trying to launch /dev/sdc |
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| 13:44.34 | JPT | Use uuids to circumvent this issue |
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| 13:49.24 | forcerecon | what is the command to see what version of something is in the repos? Is there a way |
| 13:49.28 | BluesKaj | kurolox, remove the other partitions with gparted and create a new ext4 |
| 13:49.38 | JPT | apt-cache search something |
| 13:50.05 | JPT | The version should be included in there ... i hope |
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| 13:53.42 | kurolox | BluesKaj does this looks good? http://i.imgur.com/C94YMEi.png |
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| 13:55.36 | BluesKaj | kurolox, yes |
| 13:55.50 | kurolox | so do I install again? |
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| 13:56.15 | forcerecon | Hey BluesKaj... |
| 13:56.28 | BluesKaj | yes kurolox , go for it :-) |
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| 13:59.47 | kurolox | So BluesKaj, do I use a guided partitioning method or do I go manual and select the ext4 partition? |
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| 14:01.14 | zaoqi | How can I get the minimal root filesystem?(armhf,armel) Kindle will halt when running debootstrap. |
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| 14:03.05 | aleogala | i am trying to get debian to run in console-mode (ctrl alt f1) with two monitors but with each monitor showing a separate terminal. is that possible? |
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| 14:03.44 | aleogala | i know I can split terminals with tmux, but for that to be usable this way I would first need to make linux recognise the two screens as one so that I can "expand" tmux onto the second screen |
| 14:03.54 | aleogala | does anyone have an idea on how to achieve that? |
| 14:04.07 | klys | aleogala, perhaps with two graphical terminal emulators |
| 14:04.35 | klys | virtual terminals are not supported by systemd-logind. |
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| 14:04.51 | aleogala | klys: yes, but for that i would need x running. I want the system to be headless eventually |
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| 14:05.22 | klys | aleogala, consider that you may need to disable virtual terminal support in your kernel |
| 14:05.47 | klys | read about multiseat |
| 14:06.33 | aleogala | klys: i will look into that, thanks |
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| 14:08.54 | zaoqi | How can I get the minimal root filesystem?(armhf,armel) Kindle will halt when running debootstrap. |
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| 14:09.28 | klys | zaoqi, have you tried running /lib/ld-linux.so.3 yet? |
| 14:10.11 | zaoqi | klys, why run it? |
| 14:10.22 | klys | zaoqi, to make sure it's working |
| 14:10.39 | BluesKaj | kurolox, I always use manual, then you have more control over the partitoning |
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| 14:11.19 | zaoqi | klys, Kindle will install some packages,then halt. |
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| 14:11.52 | klys | zaoqi, i'm afraid you need a bit more than an amazon kindle to install debian. |
| 14:12.11 | Ormu | so Virtualbox is excluded from Debian Stable repos because the devs do not maintain a "stable" version of their software by pushing patches, but instead bump the version number constantly and apply bugfixes to new version? Is that even partially correct? |
| 14:12.41 | Ormu | (I mean, did I understand it correctly?) |
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| 14:13.18 | klys | ormu, debian bumps versions of patched packages, yes |
| 14:14.03 | zaoqi | klys, so I'm using Ubuntu,minimal root filesystem:http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-base/releases/17.04/release/ubuntu-base-17.04-base-armhf.tar.gz |
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| 14:14.35 | klys | zaoqi, so does the linker-loader run for you, or not? |
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| 14:15.43 | greycat | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=794466 |
| 14:15.44 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/794466 in src:virtualbox (open, stretch, sid, buster): «Virtualbox might not be suitable for Stretch»; severity: serious; opened: 2015-08-03; last modified: 2017-06-27. |
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| 14:18.18 | Ormu | greycat: yeah... that's what i thought. |
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| 14:23.30 | cesurasean | can you guys help me solve a driver issue? |
| 14:23.36 | cesurasean | its on post at start up |
| 14:23.40 | cesurasean | on jessie |
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| 14:23.54 | greycat | If it's during POST, it's not related to drivers. |
| 14:23.55 | tx | Tell us what's up first |
| 14:23.58 | tx | we might. :) |
| 14:23.58 | cesurasean | b43-phy0 |
| 14:24.06 | cesurasean | driverfirmware needed |
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| 14:24.23 | cesurasean | i have an old dell inspiron that wont load some card in it |
| 14:24.33 | cesurasean | maybe the wifi card |
| 14:24.36 | cesurasean | or something |
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| 14:24.46 | greycat | cesurasean: is this during an install, or is the system already installed? Does the system have Internet access some other way, e.g. via ethernet cable? |
| 14:24.52 | cesurasean | on post |
| 14:24.57 | cesurasean | system is installed and functional |
| 14:25.08 | tremolo | b43 is broadcom wireless; not during post, but during boot. |
| 14:25.14 | greycat | POST is the firmware's start-up, BEFORE GRUB loads, BEFORE Linux loads. |
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| 14:25.27 | cesurasean | bah |
| 14:25.35 | cesurasean | its on the before linux loads |
| 14:25.46 | cesurasean | yeh |
| 14:25.48 | cesurasean | during boot |
| 14:25.56 | cesurasean | ok how do i install this broadcom driver |
| 14:25.59 | greycat | If the system boots, then just *ignore* what the BIOS/Firmware is saying. |
| 14:26.01 | cesurasean | and why isnt it loaded auto with jessie |
| 14:26.06 | cesurasean | no |
| 14:26.08 | cesurasean | its annoying |
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| 14:26.15 | cesurasean | how do i install the driver lol |
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| 14:26.22 | cesurasean | and why isnt it part of the OS |
| 14:26.27 | cesurasean | this is a really old laptop |
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| 14:26.42 | tremolo | It's missing firmware, which isn't included because of licensing issues. |
| 14:26.51 | greycat | cesurasean: run lspci -nn and find the line for your device and paste the line here |
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| 14:27.29 | cesurasean | that just gives me the docs |
| 14:27.31 | cesurasean | doesnt run a command |
| 14:27.39 | greycat | lspci -nn |
| 14:27.50 | cesurasean | oh sorry, put -- |
| 14:28.11 | cesurasean | BCM4318 |
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| 14:28.15 | cesurasean | airforce one 54g |
| 14:28.23 | greycat | Paste the line here so we get the PCI ID. |
| 14:28.34 | cesurasean | i cant paste |
| 14:28.37 | cesurasean | headless system |
| 14:28.43 | greycat | Then find trhe PCI ID and type it. |
| 14:28.55 | cesurasean | how do i pastebin through term |
| 14:29.00 | greycat | it will be [xxxx:yyyy] |
| 14:29.02 | cesurasean | is it possible yet with jessie |
| 14:29.12 | cesurasean | 14e4:4318 |
| 14:29.20 | greycat | ,pciid 14e4:4318 |
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| 14:29.21 | judd | An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 14:29.25 | greycat | shit |
| 14:29.44 | cesurasean | MY SYSTEM IS BROKEN |
| 14:29.46 | cesurasean | :D |
| 14:29.52 | greycat | ok, google tells me https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 14:30.18 | cesurasean | 1 sec |
| 14:30.21 | cesurasean | testing then reboot |
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| 14:30.48 | cesurasean | apt-get install firmware-b43-installer |
| 14:30.50 | cesurasean | no package |
| 14:30.52 | cesurasean | its not in repo |
| 14:30.54 | cesurasean | for jessie |
| 14:30.56 | cesurasean | lol |
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| 14:31.00 | tx | heh |
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| 14:31.04 | tx | is it non-free? ;) |
| 14:31.04 | cesurasean | sorry |
| 14:31.08 | Ormu | :O |
| 14:31.08 | cesurasean | dunno |
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| 14:31.12 | greycat | cesurasean: you have to enable non-free |
| 14:31.15 | cesurasean | oh i see |
| 14:31.17 | cesurasean | sorry |
| 14:31.41 | greycat | cesurasean: https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43_and_b43legacy |
| 14:32.04 | greycat | I'm gonna go update that page so it doesn't say wheezy ... |
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| 14:32.40 | cesurasean | lol |
| 14:32.48 | cesurasean | why not just reflect the version auto |
| 14:32.50 | cesurasean | in every page |
| 14:32.57 | cesurasean | to reflect current stable with a variable |
| 14:33.08 | greycat | Why not just solve world hunger with magical unicorn rainbows? |
| 14:33.17 | Silvester | hey guys, ever since I installed Debian my computer boots into the f12 boot menu first, and I have no idea how to make it boot straight to the OS. i reset my BIOS settings to default, but not much happened. i am not sure what causes this? |
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| 14:33.46 | cesurasean | its telling me duplicate entry on apt-get update |
| 14:33.47 | jelly | cesurasean: because things sometimes change, and verifying the instructions are still correct once per release makes sense |
| 14:34.02 | greycat | cesurasean: you EDIT a line, you don't ADD a line |
| 14:34.08 | cesurasean | oh |
| 14:34.11 | cesurasean | which one do i edit |
| 14:34.11 | cesurasean | lol |
| 14:34.27 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 14:34.28 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 14:34.29 | tremolo | The one that looks like the one you added |
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| 14:35.20 | cesurasean | sorry |
| 14:35.30 | kurolox | BluesKaj same issues, I'm just going to give up on debian |
| 14:35.46 | kurolox | I still don't understand what happens, grub works fine, it just refuses to look for the proper device |
| 14:35.53 | BluesKaj | kurolox, did you format the drive ? |
| 14:36.06 | kurolox | I showed you the screenshot when I did it |
| 14:36.16 | cesurasean | ok installing driver then going down for reboot |
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| 14:36.50 | BluesKaj | kurolox, oh right |
| 14:36.54 | tremolo | kurolox: Is it still looking for /dev/sdc1? |
| 14:37.01 | kurolox | yes |
| 14:37.07 | kurolox | it still looks for /dev/sdc1 |
| 14:37.15 | kurolox | it should be looking for /dev/sdb1 |
| 14:37.29 | tremolo | Can you mount /dev/sdb1? |
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| 14:37.56 | kurolox | no, it refuses to do so |
| 14:38.07 | cesurasean | ok issue solved |
| 14:38.10 | cesurasean | thank you |
| 14:38.12 | BluesKaj | kurolox, what did you use to create the image on the usb stick? |
| 14:38.15 | tremolo | Ideally, you would have it use a disk/partition ID rather than a device name. |
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| 14:39.04 | kurolox | BluesKaj 'dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdx bs=1M status=progress' |
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| 14:40.04 | BluesKaj | sdx? |
| 14:40.15 | kurolox | well, sdd |
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| 14:41.55 | LtL | kurolox: you said it should look for /dev/sdb ? not sdd |
| 14:42.05 | tremolo | kurolox: What does "refuses to [mount]" look like? |
| 14:42.48 | tremolo | LtL: Install media is sdd on the system used to prepare it. This is a post-install issue with it looking for the root fs on the wrong device. |
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| 14:43.04 | LtL | tremolo: ah, apologies |
| 14:43.09 | kurolox | LtL when I copied the debian ISO to the USB, said usb was sdd. Then when installing debian, said usb was sdb during install and the target storage was sdc. I installed debian in sdc, and after removing the install media sdc is now sdb, but it still tries lo launch from sdc |
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| 14:43.31 | BluesKaj | kurolox, did you unmount the drive before using the dd command , sudo umount /dev/sdd ? |
| 14:43.38 | rpw | I'm building a kernel and I'm not finding any good info on creating a configuration file |
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| 14:44.01 | kurolox | yes, i unmounted it and I'm quite sure everything is fine because I did a md5sum check |
| 14:44.12 | rpw | Can anyone point me to a webpage which has tips for .config options for building a fast kernel without debugging |
| 14:44.15 | kurolox | tremolo: mount: /dev/sdb1 on mnt failed: No such file or directory |
| 14:44.23 | kurolox | both /dev/sdb1 exists and /mnt too |
| 14:44.34 | Ormu | is there a reason why it's "umount" and not "unmount"? is it something like the POSIX API function creat() ? |
| 14:44.42 | tremolo | Is "mnt" the same as "/mnt"? |
| 14:44.44 | BluesKaj | sdb is probly the usb |
| 14:44.47 | kurolox | it is, the cwd is / |
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| 14:44.58 | kurolox | anyways, adding the / doesn't change the output |
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| 14:46.00 | BluesKaj | kurolox, that's a pretty small hdd, how old is thi pc ? |
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| 14:46.28 | kurolox | well, due to... physical limitations I'm installing debian inside a flash drive, instead of a proper HDD |
| 14:47.19 | rpw | Kernel Config tips (.config) Anyone? |
| 14:47.20 | enyc | kurolox: can work wel... beawre of write-limits however |
| 14:47.29 | enyc | kurolox: and the speed/qualihty of such drives varies hugely |
| 14:47.48 | kurolox | yeah, I know. I plan on solving the issue eventually, but for now I'm stuck with this |
| 14:47.57 | kurolox | the point is, it shouldn't really affect this |
| 14:48.04 | BluesKaj | kurolox, ok, then live images on usb s are iffy |
| 14:48.17 | kurolox | I know that the USB is fine because it was running a different distribution until a few hours ago |
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| 14:48.57 | BluesKaj | debian live images especially |
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| 14:49.05 | tremolo | Installing from live images was (is?) broken, but not in this way as far as I know. |
| 14:49.38 | BluesKaj | well, i'm out of ideas.... |
| 14:49.42 | johnkeates | it was? never had an issue with jessie or stretch |
| 14:49.55 | greycat | johnkeates: then you are in the minority |
| 14:50.04 | johnkeates | tssk, johnkeates lives matter |
| 14:50.11 | jelly | many other people did, if reports in this channel are to be trusted |
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| 14:50.27 | johnkeates | could be that we use different methods? i always use debootstrap |
| 14:50.34 | johnkeates | or maybe its a gui vs. cli thing? |
| 14:50.51 | jelly | they used the embeddedded d-i started from live |
| 14:51.00 | johnkeates | well, that's just asking for trouble |
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| 14:51.19 | BluesKaj | kurolox, recommend the netinstall vs the gui install methos btw |
| 14:51.21 | jelly | also, not the same thing |
| 14:51.44 | BluesKaj | method |
| 14:52.07 | johnkeates | mentos, the freshmaker |
| 14:52.11 | tremolo | johnkeates: Something about the installer not setting passwords, I think. I don't touch live images, so wouldn't have noticed. |
| 14:52.16 | kurolox | I was using netinstall BluesKaj |
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| 14:53.10 | Silvester | hello again guys! how do I get my PC to not boot automatically into the f12 boot menu? |
| 14:53.17 | Silvester | strange question i know |
| 14:53.24 | BluesKaj | kurolox, then i have no idea unless the usb is being corrupted somehow, which seems to be the case |
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| 14:54.11 | kurolox | but again, the same usb was working perfectly with other OSes until a few hours ago |
| 14:54.18 | kurolox | so the usb being corrupted is unlikely |
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| 14:54.34 | tremolo | Stupid question, maybe. Does /mnt exist? |
| 14:54.43 | kurolox | I made it manually with mkdir before mounting |
| 14:55.23 | LtL | kurolox: it didnt happen to automount at /media ? mine does |
| 14:55.30 | tremolo | I don't think this points to an issue with the device at all. I've had this happen where the device name changes and everything falls apart until you tell it to look at the right devices. |
| 14:55.50 | kurolox | LtL I don't have a /media folder |
| 14:56.03 | LtL | kurolox: ok rule that out. |
| 14:56.19 | kurolox | I still feel like it's a grub issue |
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| 14:56.30 | kurolox | shouldn't grub be the one looking for the proper device to launch? |
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| 14:57.16 | greycat | GRUB just has to be able to read the kernel. It passes a string to the kernel as a parameter, suggesting the root file system device that the kernel might be interested in. |
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| 14:59.53 | tremolo | kurolox: When you get to grub, do you have the option to press "e" to edit the entry? If so, are you able to specify the root device there and boot? |
| 15:00.19 | kurolox | I've done a really crappy workaround |
| 15:00.30 | kurolox | it works now, but it's completely not ideal |
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| 15:00.46 | lipe | list |
| 15:01.28 | kurolox | With both the live USB and the storage USB pluged in, I'm forcing in the bios to boot from the storage USB, so it still reads the live usb as sdb and the storage usb as sdc |
| 15:01.41 | kurolox | so it boots properly that way, as long as I leave the live USB pluged in |
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| 15:04.22 | tremolo | Not ideal for a long-term setup, but it got you in and now you can change it (GRUB, fstab) to use UUIDs instead of device node names. |
| 15:04.55 | kurolox | yhm |
| 15:05.00 | kurolox | fstab is using UUID already |
| 15:05.32 | kurolox | by the way, quick question, what is using debian by default for LAN? |
| 15:05.35 | kurolox | networkd? |
| 15:06.04 | greycat | Hell no. It still uses /etc/network/interfaces if you define your interface there. |
| 15:06.27 | greycat | Interfaces not defined there often get picked up by network-manager, but that's not installed by default unless you install a DE. |
| 15:06.40 | kurolox | so if I want to use networkd I don't have to disable anything? |
| 15:06.50 | greycat | systemd networkd is NOT enabled by default, and if it ever gets enabled by default, we run to Devuan and do not look back. |
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| 15:07.49 | person_ | I would like to make a certain console program to use my terminal profile, how do I do that? |
| 15:08.25 | Haxord | Hi, I would like to rsync files to a samba network share (NAS). I will mount the share at /mnt/backup and want to periodically (or on changes to files) sync to the samba share. The share will thereafter sync with Amazon Glacier and keep the file on the NAS as well. Two questions: 1) Whats the best way to set up the rsync (cron, or is there any other tool). 2) Will I have to be concerned about partial transfers being backed up to Glacier before the trans |
| 15:08.25 | Haxord | fer is done? There will only ever be new files - no deletions. |
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| 15:09.57 | person_ | also is it possible to make gnome-terminal have transparent background? |
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| 15:12.39 | Haxord | @person_: https://i.stack.imgur.com/PbHcf.png - not sure from what version onwards this is supported. |
| 15:13.26 | Haxord | when you say make a program use your terminal profile - do you mean run it with you being the user that launched it? |
| 15:14.21 | person_ | Haxord: I don't have that setting in my Debian 9 |
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| 15:14.48 | person_ | I mean launch a program in terminal and make this program use different colors than default |
| 15:14.56 | person_ | a different profile |
| 15:15.17 | tremolo | kurolox: What about grub? |
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| 15:17.22 | Haxord | person_: what about setting the colours as part of the script that launches your program? |
| 15:17.26 | Haxord | example: setterm --term linux --background green -foreground blue --clear=all |
| 15:18.41 | person_ | nice but can I switch to a different profile with that? |
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| 15:19.31 | Haxord | person_: gnome-terminal --window-with-profile=<Profile_name> |
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| 15:19.43 | greycat | comes to the conclusion that person_ is NOT talking about ~/.profile |
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| 15:21.25 | person_ | imangerah: thanks that worked! |
| 15:21.33 | imangerah | pleasure :) |
| 15:21.44 | person_ | imangerah: you probably want to sync files as soon as anything changes? |
| 15:22.06 | imangerah | doesnt have to be - but I only want complete files to be backed up to Glacier |
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| 15:22.38 | person_ | I don't know how good rsync is with that, you should probably experiment |
| 15:22.40 | greycat | Impossible unless the uploading client takes some step like moving it to a new directory upon completion, or renaming it upon completion. |
| 15:22.49 | person_ | you could try checking the sha sum of the file before sending it |
| 15:23.02 | person_ | and maybe check the sum after somehow? |
| 15:23.07 | greycat | Note that rsync uses a temporary name during the transfer, so you could just omit files that use rsync's temporary name format. |
| 15:23.10 | imangerah | so Samba does not only make files visible after full transfer? |
| 15:23.57 | imangerah | ok - I have another solution. after rsync completes it moves all files into a child directory which is the directory that actually gets backed up |
| 15:24.12 | imangerah | any issues you can think of? |
| 15:24.27 | person_ | so when the file is done transfering you move it somewhere else? |
| 15:24.46 | imangerah | yes but moved on the remote NAS |
| 15:25.04 | person_ | I think that could work |
| 15:25.05 | imangerah | so files go into /backup/ and then once done all complete files go into /backup/aws/ |
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| 15:25.28 | imangerah | thanks, will do some experimenting. |
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| 15:25.43 | person_ | good luck! |
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| 15:27.11 | imangerah | rsync has an option: -T, --temp-dir=DIR create temporary files in directory DIR | think that solves my problem. |
| 15:27.37 | person_ | nice |
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| 15:38.09 | Vizva | i did upgrade to 9 but now i have error on update the sources |
| 15:38.18 | person_ | what error? |
| 15:39.17 | Vizva | moment i come later i need to bring this on console |
| 15:39.20 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 15:39.20 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 15:39.24 | jelly | Vizva: ^^ |
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| 15:41.40 | vrd1 | Regarding windows virtual guest in virt manager |
| 15:42.04 | vrd1 | which paravirtualized drivers to use? fedora's windows virtio iso or spice-guest-tools? |
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| 15:45.32 | rpw | jmcnaught: I used make menuconfig and just left everything default. I edited .conf and set CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO=no I specifically interested in i915.ko optimization |
| 15:46.05 | Eularomat | what is the most elegant way to install awesome wm on a bare debian 9 netinstall? is there a way to install it already during the netinstall process? should I deselect all desktop environments and desktop environment tag itself when installing packages, or ...? |
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| 15:47.06 | vrd1 | jmcnaught: ^ ok, tried asking actual question above |
| 15:47.57 | greycat | Don't try to install it *during* the install. Just finish the standard install, and install it from a root shell after booting. |
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| 15:48.19 | greycat | Deselect all but standard (and maybe ssh server). |
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| 15:51.21 | Megaf | Hi |
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| 15:51.46 | person_ | hello |
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| 15:55.17 | person_ | I made my terminal window transparent using devilspy2, but I would like to make just the background transparent. Is there any way to do that? |
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| 15:59.26 | mitmf | sudo ldconfig <â what it means? |
| 15:59.43 | kruug | Are there any tools to automatically backup data/configuration information for an upgrade? Or is it best to do it manually? |
| 15:59.44 | greycat | man ldconfig |
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| 16:01.02 | kruug | oooh...VM, I wonder if snapshot is available... |
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| 16:03.07 | raktajino | kruug: there are various config management tools that will do this. ansible, chef, puppet, etc. |
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| 16:06.19 | person_ | gnome-terminal --execute "sleep 3 && echo test" |
| 16:06.27 | person_ | I get this error: Failed to execute child process "sleep 3 && echo test" (No such file or directory) |
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| 16:06.32 | person_ | what's wrong? |
| 16:06.53 | greycat | See if there's another execute option. Try -x or -e. |
| 16:07.26 | vrd1 | greycat: if one has Firefox or other web browser with opened login sessions (gmail, yahoo, twitter, any forum), an IRC client, and an opened terminal session as the root user, all running at same time, how exploitable is one becoming? |
| 16:07.30 | vrd1 | am i in danger? |
| 16:07.33 | greycat | I think gnome-terminal is the one that has two different exec flags with two different usages. |
| 16:07.38 | mitmf | Could not find a package configuration file provided by "Qt5" with any of |
| 16:07.38 | mitmf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.39 | mitmf | Qt5Config.cmake |
| 16:07.40 | mitmf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.55 | vrd1 | or having one terminal with irssi being used and another terminal as root |
| 16:08.23 | pacha | how do I get the name of the chipset that is providing wlan0? |
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| 16:08.34 | person_ | greycat: yes it does |
| 16:08.47 | bkeys | http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1503590305.png |
| 16:08.47 | bkeys | I got a broken virtualenv install on my raspberry pi; does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 16:08.49 | bkeys | A reinstall did not help |
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| 16:09.57 | person_ | greycat: it doesn't let me run other programs |
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| 16:10.18 | teraflops | bkeys: are you running debian there, or raspbian? |
| 16:10.24 | bkeys | raspian |
| 16:10.30 | person_ | greycat: I wanted to do: sleep 3 && runSomething |
| 16:10.59 | greycat | person_: figure out which option lets you do sh -c 'sleep 3 && runSomething' |
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| 16:11.12 | greycat | either -e sh -c '...' or -x sh -c '...' |
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| 16:12.53 | vrd1 | greycat: ^ |
| 16:13.47 | teraflops | person_: use quotes |
| 16:14.30 | person_ | ok I got somewhere now but it's still not working as expected |
| 16:14.34 | person_ | gnome-terminal -x sh -c 'cavac && sleep 3 && devilspie2' |
| 16:14.38 | teraflops | as in gnome-terminal -e "echo test" |
| 16:14.44 | person_ | I want to run a program then another program after 3 seconds |
| 16:14.56 | greycat | gnome-terminal -e sh -c 'sleep 3 && echo test' |
| 16:15.01 | greycat | gnome-terminal -x sh -c 'sleep 3 && echo test' |
| 16:15.08 | greycat | ONE OF THOSE, GOD ONLY KNOWS WHICH |
| 16:15.12 | teraflops | hehe |
| 16:15.19 | bkeys | Does anyone have a clue about my question? |
| 16:15.41 | person_ | greycat: the second one :) |
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| 16:15.46 | teraflops | :D |
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| 16:16.38 | person_ | bkeys: I don't but maybe try asking on raspbian's channel if such exists? |
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| 16:17.08 | bkeys | Both # and ## raspian are empty :v |
| 16:17.10 | bkeys | *:c |
| 16:17.22 | teraflops | bkeys: no pun intended but youre not running debian, and this channel is about debian |
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| 16:17.44 | greycat | #rasbpian has 328 people according to /list |
| 16:17.52 | greycat | #raspbian rather |
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| 16:18.15 | greycat | Note that there is a 'b' in #raspbian |
| 16:18.33 | person_ | rasss... why is it so hard |
| 16:18.58 | vrd1 | if one has Firefox or other web browser with opened login sessions (gmail, yahoo, twitter, any forum), an IRC client, and an opened terminal session as the root user, all running at same time, how exploitable is one becoming? |
| 16:19.06 | bkeys | I mis spelled it it seems |
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| 16:19.18 | teraflops | vrd1: nope |
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| 16:19.19 | greycat | Running a web browser as root is fucking stupid. |
| 16:19.21 | bkeys | There we go |
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| 16:19.38 | vrd1 | who said I'm running stuff as root? |
| 16:19.50 | vrd1 | Please read well the question. |
| 16:19.59 | person_ | if you aren't why do you think you would be exploitable? |
| 16:19.59 | greycat | You literally wrote the words "as the root user" |
| 16:20.18 | person_ | I think he just has a root session opened |
| 16:20.25 | vrd1 | greycat: ^ |
| 16:20.30 | greycat | Then he needs to write less ambiguously. |
| 16:20.33 | jelly | gives greycat an understanding of comma usage |
| 16:20.36 | vrd1 | aahh |
| 16:20.40 | teraflops | vrd1: tbh IRC'ing as root is stupid too |
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| 16:20.50 | g0zzy | I have a Thinkpad T410 here that is quite sniffy about booting from a USB stick. It starts well and i think it's all going well, then i find i'm at the Debian 8 login dialog - which is quite a feat, having 'nearly' booted a completely different OS. What do you think could be going on there? |
| 16:21.02 | vrd1 | teraflops: same as i told to greyct |
| 16:21.07 | teraflops | ^ |
| 16:21.19 | teraflops | I guess greycat already knows that |
| 16:21.20 | greycat | vrd1: and once again, write less ambiguously. |
| 16:21.22 | person_ | vrdl: there is a system called QubesOS |
| 16:21.35 | person_ | vrd1: you should check it out |
| 16:21.37 | vrd1 | what about that system? |
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| 16:22.09 | person_ | it's made out of 'cubes' which are VMs, the point of it is that you separate everything in a different VMs |
| 16:22.10 | jelly | vrd1: in theory, any Xorg client (application) can be exploited to read and write input to any other Xorg client (window) |
| 16:22.37 | person_ | one VM for web browsing, another for work, you can also have disposable VMs |
| 16:22.51 | teraflops | and ff doesnt even ship a sandbox by default |
| 16:23.09 | teraflops | even internet explores does it |
| 16:23.17 | teraflops | explorer^ |
| 16:23.21 | jelly | g0zzy: do you have a Debian 8 installation on that system? |
| 16:24.00 | person_ | I just block all scripts |
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| 16:24.54 | teraflops | never ever run anything as root unless it is explicitly asking you to do so |
| 16:25.04 | vrd1 | greycat, teraflops: I would have the following as *separate* windows, but running at same time: firefox with yahoo mail, irc (hexchat, or irssi in terminal), and a terminal running as root |
| 16:25.09 | vrd1 | Is it less ambiguous? |
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| 16:25.32 | vrd1 | root terminal is an apart terminal window |
| 16:25.33 | teraflops | I already answered you: nope |
| 16:25.50 | bs0d | Hello community. I need some help. I downloaded an IDE, unpacked it, moved it into /usr/local, changed the ownership to root:staff but I do not see my IDE in the Applications menu in my user account and cannot access it |
| 16:25.53 | teraflops | gnome-terminal -e "echo test" |
| 16:25.55 | greycat | So you run the terminal as yourself, but then in the shell, you did "su"? Or "sudo -i"? |
| 16:25.56 | teraflops | oops |
| 16:26.02 | teraflops | buffer incident, sorry |
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| 16:26.09 | jelly | vrd1: presumably you have a terminal running as user and a root shell opened inside? |
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| 16:26.30 | g0zzy | jelly: yes |
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| 16:27.03 | vrd1 | greycat, jelly: I would open a terminal window to start, say, irssi. Then open another apart terminal window and do su. |
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| 16:27.05 | person_ | vrdl: you want to know if those programs you run can spy on each other and see your data? |
| 16:27.14 | vrd1 | ^ yes |
| 16:27.34 | jelly | g0zzy: okay, and how did you create this bootable usb stick? Maybe it's choosing the wrong root= filesystem when it boots, the one with debian 8 instead of the one on the stick |
| 16:27.37 | person_ | hmm |
| 16:27.45 | vrd1 | Lately I have had to only use one program at a time: |
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| 16:27.54 | greycat | If there is an egregiously serious bug in one of the programs, yes, in theory they can communicate with each other through the X protocols. |
| 16:28.14 | vrd1 | and how can i know if there's bug? |
| 16:28.16 | vrd1 | oh, no.... |
| 16:28.16 | greycat | In practice, I've never heard of such a bug. |
| 16:28.32 | vrd1 | During last months I have had to do the following: |
| 16:28.38 | jelly | X has nifty extensions that basically allow any app to look like keyboard and mouse input. |
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| 16:28.56 | vrd1 | check mail? Close *everything* else and only start web browser or mail client. |
| 16:28.56 | teraflops | vrd1: subscribe to all sec mail lists read CVE's and even then youre not secure since 0 day is a thing |
| 16:29.15 | vrd1 | chat? Close everything and only have running chat client |
| 16:29.27 | person_ | use only open source / free software |
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| 16:29.40 | vrd1 | a short maintainance task? Close everything and start a root terminal |
| 16:29.43 | greycat | Or you could just be less paranoid about your porn site passwords. |
| 16:29.44 | jelly | vrd1: separate users and X sessions would work. |
| 16:30.03 | teraflops | vrd1: or run stuff insice VM's |
| 16:30.08 | teraflops | inside^ |
| 16:30.25 | person_ | vrd1: if you need that kind of security check out QubesOS or keep everything in separate VMs |
| 16:30.28 | jelly | vrd1: then one needs a user app exploit _and_ another priv. elevation exploit |
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| 16:30.36 | person_ | then the programs won't be able to communicate with each other |
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| 16:31.01 | jelly | person_: unless, of course, there's a VM escape, or copy/paste enabled |
| 16:31.14 | vrd1 | actually i kind of wanted to be told "no, you're actually being paranoid; as long as you don't run anything as root you're ok" |
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| 16:31.20 | vrd1 | but i guess it's not the case... |
| 16:31.25 | greycat | You're being paranoid. |
| 16:31.28 | g0zzy | jelly: that's queer as it seems to happen with anything booted from the port |
| 16:31.30 | teraflops | vrd1: you're actually being paranoid indeed |
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| 16:31.36 | person_ | well is he? |
| 16:31.44 | person_ | programs can read any data they want |
| 16:31.44 | teraflops | yes he is imo |
| 16:31.46 | jelly | vrd1: you're being paranoid, and you're not ok. Is that ok? |
| 16:31.51 | teraflops | xD |
| 16:31.52 | vrd1 | I don't need to tell my current way of working is very inefficient |
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| 16:32.12 | person_ | we trust the software to not have bugs and to not be malicious |
| 16:32.15 | jelly | saying you're not exposed would be a lie, X is crappy that way. |
| 16:32.19 | person_ | but sometimes it can be |
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| 16:33.00 | SuperSeriouCat | vrd1, https://www.qubes-os.org/ |
| 16:33.01 | person_ | if you want to be more secure try QubesOS seriously |
| 16:33.06 | teraflops | vrd1: dont run stuff as root, keep your system up-to-date and do not click ransomware links, youll be moderately fine |
| 16:33.11 | SuperSeriouCat | You can isolate each program in its own tiny VM |
| 16:33.38 | jelly | g0zzy: okay, and how did you create this and all the other bootable usb sticks you tried? |
| 16:33.40 | vrd1 | teraflops: talking about VMs? We'd get to previous point: regarding windows virtual guest in virt manager, which paravirtualized drivers to use? fedora's windows virtio iso or spice-guest-tools? |
| 16:33.42 | teraflops | also for weird/odd/suspicious stuff use a VM |
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| 16:33.57 | vrd1 | no one has been able to know |
| 16:34.06 | g0zzy | cat x.iso >/dev/sdc |
| 16:34.06 | person_ | vrd1: install QubesOS |
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| 16:34.14 | teraflops | vrd1: of KVM? you want virIO indeed |
| 16:34.18 | teraflops | for^ |
| 16:34.35 | jelly | g0zzy: good. Did you try a debian-based live, like grml.org? |
| 16:34.50 | teraflops | sorry my keyb is rubbish |
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| 16:35.02 | g0zzy | Most recently failed with Tails |
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| 16:35.34 | vrd1 | so actually no one likes virtio, neither windows here? |
| 16:35.38 | vrd1 | good to know |
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| 16:35.42 | teraflops | huh |
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| 16:36.06 | teraflops | for qemu/kvm virtIO is what you want, for windows too |
| 16:36.21 | teraflops | windows guests obv |
| 16:36.28 | vrd1 | ah, so that's what you meant |
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| 16:36.38 | vrd1 | then back to question |
| 16:36.38 | teraflops | yep :S |
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| 16:36.50 | vrd1 | which paravirtualized drivers to use? fedora's windows virtio iso or spice-guest-tools? |
| 16:36.57 | jelly | vrd1: did you try any of those guest addition options, and see how they worked? |
| 16:37.07 | vrd1 | both iso and sice installer have the same paravirtualized drivers: qxl, kvmnetwork, scsi, balloon.... |
| 16:37.14 | vrd1 | *spice |
| 16:37.42 | teraflops | spice gusts tools? those are not related to virtIO drivers |
| 16:37.47 | jelly | if noone has anything to say, you can always |
| 16:37.49 | jelly | !TIAS |
| 16:37.49 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 16:38.03 | vrd1 | teraflops: that's what I thought |
| 16:38.15 | vrd1 | https://www.spice-space.org/download.html |
| 16:38.25 | teraflops | virtIO drivers are for block devices, nics, serial and so on |
| 16:38.44 | vrd1 | i know |
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| 16:38.45 | vrd1 | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Windows_Virtio_Drivers |
| 16:38.52 | teraflops | we already know what they are |
| 16:39.09 | vrd1 | from spice link: "installer contains some optional drivers" |
| 16:39.21 | vrd1 | and it turns those drivers are the same virtio iso provides |
| 16:39.48 | teraflops | spice is a protocol for connecting to the guest and also graphics specific |
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| 16:39.59 | rysiek|pl | hmm |
| 16:40.06 | vrd1 | i'm talking about the spice-guest-tools installer |
| 16:40.12 | rysiek|pl | anyone uses nginx + lua on stretch around here? |
| 16:40.34 | rysiek|pl | I am having a weird issue and it seems like it's debian-related |
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| 16:41.19 | rysiek|pl | namely, even with nginx-extras installed (it contains nginx lua module) |
| 16:41.26 | rysiek|pl | lua directives do not seem to be recognized |
| 16:41.50 | rysiek|pl | getting: nginx: [emerg] unknown directive "lua_package_path" in /etc/nginx/nginx.conf:87 |
| 16:42.21 | person_ | can I launch a program in terminal without having it using my terminal window? |
| 16:42.23 | person_ | I want it to run in the background |
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| 16:43.03 | GJdan | hmmm, sendmail vs exim4 vs postfix |
| 16:43.22 | teraflops | !poll |
| 16:43.23 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 16:43.35 | FinalX | rysiek|pl: you need nginx-extras on debian, or nginx-full, to use lua |
| 16:43.45 | jelly | person_: if it works on its own, noninteractively, you can redirect stdout and stderr to /dev/null and run as a background task. It will still die if you close that terminal |
| 16:43.46 | rysiek|pl | FinalX: and that's exactly what I have |
| 16:43.48 | FinalX | rysiek|pl: the standard nginx package of debian doesn't have it, as it's a 3rd-party module |
| 16:43.50 | FinalX | hm |
| 16:43.58 | rysiek|pl | FinalX: http://wklej.org/id/3242335/ (nginx -V output) |
| 16:44.23 | rysiek|pl | FinalX: "--add-dynamic-module=/build/nginx-2tpxfc/nginx-1.10.3/debian/modules/nginx-lua" |
| 16:44.26 | teraflops | rysiek|pl: what's in line 87? |
| 16:44.36 | jelly | person_: your command >/dev/null 2>&1 & |
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| 16:44.41 | FinalX | rysiek|pl: it says --add-dynamic-module, so there might be a .so you have to load |
| 16:44.46 | rysiek|pl | teraflops: lua_package_path "/usr/share/lua/5.1/luarocks/?.lua;;"; |
| 16:44.46 | teraflops | is the line ok, maybe youre not using it properly? |
| 16:44.54 | FinalX | no no, that's not it |
| 16:45.01 | FinalX | nginx just hasn't loaded the lua module |
| 16:45.08 | rysiek|pl | teraflops: 1. the same line works in nginx 1.6.x on Debian Jessie |
| 16:45.16 | person_ | jelly: awesome, thanks! |
| 16:45.20 | rysiek|pl | teraflops: 2. same thing happens with other lua directives |
| 16:45.22 | jelly | GJdan: what for? internet host? local delivery? only remote delivery? |
| 16:45.27 | person_ | jelly: what does that second part do? |
| 16:45.27 | rysiek|pl | FinalX: yeah, that's my feel |
| 16:45.39 | vrd1 | or well........... |
| 16:45.42 | vrd1 | in which cases to use macvtap and in which others common bridging setup? |
| 16:45.44 | vrd1 | topic apart |
| 16:45.47 | teraflops | no lua module then unknown option indeed |
| 16:45.49 | FinalX | rysiek|pl: in older debian versions, lua was compiled into the nginx core, but here: |
| 16:45.51 | FinalX | Get:43 http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch/main amd64 libnginx-mod-http-lua amd64 1.10.3-1+deb9u1 [223 kB] |
| 16:46.04 | jelly | person_: does what I described in the previous sentence |
| 16:46.09 | FinalX | dpkg -L libnginx-mod-http-lua # shows: /usr/lib/nginx/modules/ngx_http_lua_module.so |
| 16:46.10 | dpkg | ii libnginx-mod-http-lua # shows: /usr/lib/nginx/modules/ngx_http_lua_module.so 3.4-3.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 16:46.18 | FinalX | dpkg: yes sweety, thank you... |
| 16:46.18 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, FinalX |
| 16:46.33 | rysiek|pl | damn |
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| 16:46.46 | rysiek|pl | FinalX: https://nginx.org/en/docs/ngx_core_module.html#load_module |
| 16:46.51 | FinalX | rysiek|pl: /usr/share/nginx/modules-available/mod-http-lua.conf comes from that file, too, and it needs to be symlinked to from /etc/nginx/modules-enabled |
| 16:47.00 | rysiek|pl | yes |
| 16:47.01 | FinalX | from that package* |
| 16:47.01 | rysiek|pl | damn |
| 16:47.05 | rysiek|pl | thanks :) |
| 16:47.08 | FinalX | np :) |
| 16:47.16 | rysiek|pl | should have RTFM'd |
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| 16:47.23 | rysiek|pl | but but but it always worked |
| 16:47.27 | jelly | person_: redirection, the bits with > in them, http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/InputAndOutput#Redirection |
| 16:47.42 | FinalX | yeah, in stretch it's compiled as a dynamic module (dynamic modules are relatively new to that nginx version) |
| 16:47.49 | rysiek|pl | ack |
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| 16:48.13 | FinalX | ..... and for a second I thought we were on #nginx for some reason... :) |
| 16:48.21 | jelly | person_: background task, http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ProcessManagement#How_do_I_run_a_job_in_the_background.3F |
| 16:49.44 | person_ | jelly: thanks :) |
| 16:50.05 | rysiek|pl | FinalX: wooo! nginx: [emerg] dlopen() "/usr/share/nginx/modules/ngx_http_lua_module.so" failed (/usr/share/nginx/modules/ngx_http_lua_module.so: undefined symbol: ndk_set_var_value) in /etc/nginx/nginx.conf:1 |
| 16:50.24 | FinalX | ..that doesn't sound right :) |
| 16:50.35 | rysiek|pl | aye |
| 16:50.50 | rysiek|pl | the file exists |
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| 16:51.06 | FinalX | yeah but seems it's requesting something from the module that it doesn't have, or vice versa |
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| 16:51.15 | FinalX | usually happens when they're not the same version |
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| 16:51.24 | FinalX | did you perhaps install the nginx.org version over your debian one by accident? |
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| 16:51.34 | FinalX | apt-cache policy nginx |
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| 16:51.58 | rysiek|pl | no, all is from debian repo, 1.10.3 |
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| 16:52.14 | FinalX | weird, mine seems to load just fine o.O |
| 16:52.23 | jelly | ,v nginx |
| 16:52.24 | judd | Package: nginx on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.2-5+deb8u4; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5; sid: 1.10.1-1; jessie-backports: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1~bpo8+2; stretch: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1; stretch-backports: |
| 16:52.25 | rysiek|pl | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.26 | judd | 1.13.3-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.13.3-1; sid: 1.13.3-1 |
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| 16:52.50 | rysiek|pl | aye |
| 16:53.03 | rysiek|pl | same version for libnginx-mod-http-lua |
| 16:53.11 | brainmaze | hello, I am installing Debian 9 right now and when I started the setup, the touchpad didnt work and also the NIC card. I was wondering if its easy to install those drivers after the installation from a usb key for example? |
| 16:53.43 | rysiek|pl | FinalX: and there is only one file named 'ngx_http_lua_module.so' on this system |
| 16:53.54 | rysiek|pl | duckduckgos feverishly |
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| 16:54.24 | FinalX | rysiek|pl: this is what things are like at a clean install with the latest stretch versions, md5sums included: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/863f2ec7 |
| 16:54.33 | rysiek|pl | thx |
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| 16:55.38 | jelly | FinalX: does nginx packaging not have something like a2enmod, a2dismod to enable modules and possible dependencies |
| 16:55.59 | FinalX | no, those are inventions of the debian apache maintainers :) |
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| 16:56.09 | rysiek|pl | hmm |
| 16:56.12 | jelly | which is why asked about _packaging_ |
| 16:56.14 | rysiek|pl | but perhaps dependancies are the answer |
| 16:56.22 | jelly | ie. those things that maintainers added |
| 16:56.28 | rysiek|pl | lemme just load_module the shit out of all of them |
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| 16:57.07 | FinalX | jelly: no, they did not |
| 16:57.13 | jelly | pfft. Having to symlink manually, like a peasant |
| 16:57.40 | rysiek|pl | lol |
| 16:57.44 | rysiek|pl | it was load_module modules/ndk_http_module.so; |
| 16:57.56 | FinalX | ah :) |
| 16:58.06 | rysiek|pl | a comment in the /usr/share/nginx/modules-available/mod-http-lua.conf file would have been so helpful |
| 16:58.21 | rysiek|pl | anyway |
| 16:58.22 | rysiek|pl | works |
| 16:58.31 | FinalX | \o/ |
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| 16:58.35 | rysiek|pl | thanks for the help guys |
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| 16:58.57 | FinalX | np |
| 16:59.02 | rysiek|pl | I will be wearing my Debian hoodie extra-proudly today |
| 16:59.18 | FinalX | goes back to coding for his new favorite toy (Grav) |
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| 17:09.52 | donatas | Debian hoodie ? |
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| 17:11.07 | donatas | blue pillers wouldn't understand what debian is |
| 17:11.38 | donatas | but they might convert to red pill |
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| 17:14.18 | kruug | How does one re-run upgrade configuration for phpmyadmin? |
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| 17:15.12 | Vizva | i think i got it now the upgrade |
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| 17:15.22 | ksk | kruug: dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin |
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| 17:22.55 | kruug | access denied for 'root'@'localhost'...but I can log into phpmyadmin with the user/pass... |
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| 17:24.20 | jmcnaught | kruug: Debian 9 changes the way root account is handled in mariadb, there's a note about it in on of the mariadb package's NEWS files (probably some place like /usr/share/doc/mariadb-common/NEWS.gz⦠I don't use it myself) |
| 17:24.44 | greycat | Also https://wiki.debian.org/NewInStretch |
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| 17:27.13 | teraflops | I really wish you do not have phpmyadmin running outside your lan heading to the intertubes |
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| 17:29.13 | kruug | greycat: thanks, I was not aware that mysql was being replaced by mariadb |
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| 17:29.54 | phinxy | Im using a community Debian with its own repo. There is an issue at the moment which prevent apt-get update from working properly. However, I cant seem to find packages like unzip or sxiv.. |
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| 17:31.12 | phinxy | apt-cache search unzip |
| 17:31.23 | phinxy | should show unzip or does it only search for program addons for unzip? |
| 17:32.19 | jmcnaught | phinxy: that command searches for packages with the word unzip in their metadata. However only Debian is supported here, for support for your distro you'll need to find its channel |
| 17:32.22 | jmcnaught | !based on debian |
| 17:32.23 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 17:33.10 | phinxy | jmcnaught, would you classify this as Debian? Community Build Debian Stretch Minimal Linux Kernel ver 4.4 |
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| 17:34.26 | jmcnaught | phinxy: If you installed with something other than an ISO image from cdimage.debian.org, and your distro uses its own repositories, then it is not Debian. The real stretch is using kernel 4.9 for example. |
| 17:35.00 | iodev | phinxy: give me a PM, I'll try to help you |
| 17:35.24 | jmcnaught | you can also ask in ##linux if your distro doesn't have a channel |
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| 17:40.30 | kruug | alright, figured out the permissions issue...new issue... |
| 17:40.32 | kruug | Couldn't execute 'SHOW FUNCTION STATUS WHERE Db = 'phpmyadmin'': Cannot load from mysql.proc. |
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| 17:46.40 | linwer | hi |
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| 17:50.28 | jelly | phinxy: what does "lsb_release -sc" say on that system? What does "apt-cache policy" say? |
| 17:50.48 | jelly | !paste |
| 17:50.49 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 18:21.21 | bachler | hello everybody! |
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| 18:22.52 | bachler | i think i have this problem https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=859003 |
| 18:22.53 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/859003 in systemd-container (open): «systemd-container: strange permissions on /dev/pts/ptmx»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-03-29; last modified: 2017-03-29. |
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| 18:23.17 | bachler | can anyone point me in the right direction for a fix? |
| 18:23.57 | greycat | If it's not in the bug report, I would suggest a systemd channel. |
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| 18:29.09 | jelly | bachler: if there's a workaround for an open bug, it often gets mentioned in the bug report thread |
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| 18:30.18 | netzach | Hello |
| 18:30.25 | netzach | how do I add the nopat flag to the kernel? |
| 18:32.08 | bachler | jelly: ok, so there probably is no fix yet? |
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| 18:32.56 | jelly | bachler: debian, even without systemd-nspawn, is silly in this regard: |
| 18:32.58 | jelly | crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 5, 2 Aug 24 20:32 /dev/ptmx |
| 18:32.58 | jelly | c--------- 1 root root 5, 2 Aug 22 20:41 /dev/pts/ptmx |
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| 18:35.09 | jelly | netzach: an easy way is to append to /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= definition, run update-grub, and it ought to be present on following reboots |
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| 18:35.39 | bachler | netzach: netzach: edit /etc/default/grub and add it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= and you have to run update-grub to regenerate the configs in /boot/grub |
| 18:35.41 | jelly | netzach: I'm assuming by "flag" you mean a kernel boot parameter. |
| 18:35.53 | bachler | oh, hehe well |
| 18:36.11 | bachler | jelly: you type faster than me |
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| 18:36.59 | bachler | jelly: regarding the ptmx stuff, what does that mean? |
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| 18:37.59 | bachler | I have been considering moving to testing a while, would that perhaps solve this with systemd 234-2 ? |
| 18:38.18 | jelly | bachler: it means a user has access to the device anyway, so mod 000 is silly |
| 18:38.29 | bachler | ah |
| 18:38.52 | jelly | (or more precisely, mod 000 only in one place but not the other is silly) |
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| 18:39.12 | jelly | bachler: does the bug report say it's fixed in 234-2? |
| 18:39.56 | jelly | (it does not) |
| 18:40.29 | bachler | there is no mention of ptmx in the changelog... |
| 18:40.36 | jelly | bachler: what fails to work because of this bug? |
| 18:40.50 | tdn | What is the easiest way of having an encrypted swap file (not partition) on Debian? Can I set up a file a LUKS/dm-crypt device in /etc/crypttab and then use that in fstab? |
| 18:40.51 | bachler | screen and tmux inside of a systemd-nspawn container |
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| 18:41.21 | jelly | bachler: and does the container have a normal /dev/ptmx present? |
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| 18:42.21 | jelly | bachler: I'd expect screen and tmux to _work_ when there was a rw ptmx device |
| 18:42.43 | jelly | they would only be unable to work if it was, in fact, mod 000 |
| 18:43.08 | bachler | jelly: in the container lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Aug 24 17:50 /dev/ptmx -> pts/ptmx |
| 18:43.20 | bachler | jelly: and c--------- 1 root root 5, 2 Aug 24 20:42 /dev/pts/ptmx |
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| 18:43.57 | jelly | bachler: so you do not have this bug present, you have the opposite. |
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| 18:44.38 | jelly | the reporter here complains BECAUSE their /dev/pts/ptmx is accessible inside the container. Yours isn't. |
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| 18:45.27 | teo_ | which is the root terminal on debian ? |
| 18:45.30 | legrand | upgrade from Jessie to stretch, kde-desktop. Mouse-wheel in Dolphin is working great on the right hand side (files), but painfully slow on the left-hand-side (folders). Seems to be a bug - is there a way to work around it? |
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| 18:46.23 | jelly | teo_: there's no such thing as a root terminal, you can open a terminal emulator, any one you like, then start a root shell in it. |
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| 18:46.53 | bachler | jelly: oh, ok, thanks for pointing that out. I did not notice that. any suggestions on where to go from this? |
| 18:47.17 | jelly | teo_: use "su -" (requires root password) or "sudo -i" (requires user password and sudo privileges for that user) to open a root shell |
| 18:47.48 | greycat | Or, log directly in as root on the console (Ctrl-Alt-F2 etc.) |
| 18:48.09 | teo_ | ctrl alt f2 is a root terminal ? |
| 18:48.28 | jelly | bachler: now, just like the reporter, you need to figure out where systemd-nspawn gets mount options for devpts and change them to include ptmxmode=666 |
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| 18:49.21 | jelly | teo_: it's a "console" that presents a textual login prompt; either root or a normal user can log in there |
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| 18:50.09 | jelly | bachler: but you want the opposite result :> |
| 18:50.26 | teo_ | Then, back to the terminal and log as root. Make an update: # aptitude update |
| 18:50.34 | teo_ | what is mean this ? |
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| 18:51.10 | bachler | jelly: ok, thanks a lot I will have a read in the manpages for systemd-nspawn. should get me started maybe. |
| 18:51.13 | jelly | teo_: # denotes that the command quoted is to be run as root. You literally type in the command and press enter: aptitude update |
| 18:51.19 | teo_ | ctr alt f2 and then on test mode sudo aptitude update |
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| 18:51.54 | jelly | no need to prepend "sudo" if you're already in root's shell. |
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| 18:52.52 | teo_ | sudo -i aptitude update ? |
| 18:52.54 | teo_ | ?? |
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| 18:54.48 | jelly | teo_: no. first open a root shell or log in as root. You do NOT need to type sudo in that shell. Just: aptitude update |
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| 18:59.52 | teo_ | ctr - alt - f2 and user - password and then aptitude update not working |
| 19:00.26 | greycat | user is not root |
| 19:00.45 | teo_ | could not open lock file ... it tell |
| 19:00.51 | greycat | Because you did not login as root. |
| 19:01.24 | Vizva | how can i lock a console thats on another vt and let the backgroud processes still run? |
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| 19:03.00 | obiwahn | hi, i am trying to upgrade roundcube and run into problems |
| 19:03.06 | teo_ | HOW can i login as root ? |
| 19:03.15 | obiwahn | do you know where the password for roundcube is stored? |
| 19:03.19 | greycat | teo_: when it asks for the username, you type "root" |
| 19:03.26 | teo_ | ok |
| 19:03.31 | bezaban | Vizva: you can use vlock on a tty - no use via ssh or in xterm really |
| 19:03.32 | teraflops | obiwahn: upgrading roundcube from? |
| 19:03.37 | greycat | And then root's password, when it asks for the password. |
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| 19:04.30 | teraflops | obiwahn: debian repos? |
| 19:04.38 | Vizva | but there are background processes |
| 19:04.41 | Vizva | in this console |
| 19:04.48 | bezaban | Vizva: vlock just runs in the foreground |
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| 19:04.55 | obiwahn | yes |
| 19:05.01 | obiwahn | from jessie to stretch |
| 19:05.20 | Vizva | i dont see a difference |
| 19:05.22 | obiwahn | i had some troube with the mariadb upgrade but that is fine now |
| 19:05.45 | obiwahn | ah i would like to enable auth_sockets for root |
| 19:06.05 | bezaban | Vizva: if on a vt it will lock, if via ssh, you can open another tunnel and avoid it. If in an xterm you will have access to the pts anyway |
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| 19:08.22 | teo_ | which is the password on root terminal ctr - alt - f2 to write as a root ? |
| 19:08.56 | greycat | Whatever you set it to when you installed Debian. |
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| 19:09.05 | greycat | If you forgot it, then you can do this: |
| 19:09.10 | greycat | !i forgot root's password |
| 19:09.10 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 19:09.42 | greycat | (Does anyone actually still use LILO?) |
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| 19:10.08 | teo_ | i dident put password on root only for me... |
| 19:10.12 | teo_ | then .... ? |
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| 19:10.35 | greycat | If you left the root password blank when you installed, then there *isn't* one, and you should have been set up to use sudo by default. |
| 19:10.51 | greycat | If sudo isn't working, then follow the bot's instructions to reset the root PW. |
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| 19:12.28 | teo_ | and you should have been set up to use sudo by default. its mean as with my name and my password is default ? |
| 19:13.06 | teo_ | the sudo is work on ctr - alt- f2 terminal |
| 19:13.17 | teo_ | the sudo is works on ctr - alt- f2 terminal |
| 19:13.34 | greycat | OK, then you can continue using sudo. |
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| 19:13.54 | teo_ | with my user name and my password, no as debian |
| 19:16.30 | teo_ | "sudo aptitude update" {run as root} its mean : ctr - alt - f2 and then debian login : i write my user name and then password and then iam ok i run as a root super user ? |
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| 19:28.23 | bs0d | I got some weird problem in Debian - something crashes, and after this moment OS thinks that the mouse button is pressed. If I am in a text editor, the text is highlighted whenever I move the mouse, mouse movements move windows (no mouse buttons are pressed) |
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| 19:28.38 | bs0d | Could anyone please help me debug this issue? |
| 19:30.15 | jelly | bs0d: probably the simplest way to get out of that pickle is to press and release the affected button |
| 19:30.58 | jelly | I've seen vnc / remote desktop apps get X confused about these things |
| 19:31.59 | bs0d | jelly is there any technical problem related to it? Can it be fixed? |
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| 19:32.17 | jelly | "mouse movements move windows" can also happen when X thinks Alt key is being pressed |
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| 19:33.48 | jelly | 1) yes, and probably not just one; 2)not sure, but from the little I read about X input design, not really (or not easily) |
| 19:33.51 | netzach | thank you jelly and bachler? sorry I managed to do it via grub e |
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| 19:34.19 | jelly | netzach: that's the best way to do it if you only need it once |
| 19:34.21 | netzach | is nopat important for performance? I found on hp forums that to run their tools on latest debian you need nopat as a flag for the kernel, but htey say it's a bad workaround |
| 19:34.34 | netzach | and I tried it and it works, no longer segfautls |
| 19:34.58 | netzach | I found that pat is a intel? cpu feature related to cache configuration |
| 19:35.07 | netzach | but I have no idea how much it degrades perfoirmacne if I disable it |
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| 19:35.58 | jelly | what kinds of hp-specific tools are those |
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| 19:36.04 | bamb | hey guys |
| 19:36.35 | bamb | would i still use "make-kpkg -j9 --initrd kernel_image && make-kpkg -j9 --initrd kernel_headers" to build a kernel for stretch 9.1? |
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| 19:37.25 | greycat | !kernel handbook |
| 19:37.25 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
| 19:37.26 | netzach | jelly: hp-health, it allows me to see temperatures, I can't get them all via lm_sensors, it uses some proprietary processor or something |
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| 19:37.44 | netzach | but I want to know how much the nopat flag degrades performance, any idea? |
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| 19:38.16 | jelly | netzach: which proliant model/generation and which version of hp-health (and which debian release) do you see this with |
| 19:38.48 | bamb | greycat: what about a kernel from -stable, not from deb repos? |
| 19:39.19 | greycat | Whatever the kernel handbook says to do. |
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| 19:41.07 | netzach | jelly: I am using HP Proliant DL380 G7, I am using latest version of debian (9/stretch), I am using I think the latest versions of hp tools that I could find, from the hp repo, the ubuntu one since I've read that ubuntu 16 is based on debian squeeze, |
| 19:42.00 | netzach | When I first tried it it would not work, and I'd get a file not existing message, and check if hp health monitor is running, systemd said it was running, online people suggested using an older version, after juggling some versions without a luck, I found in the logs a segfault I've missed earlier, searching for that got me this : |
| 19:42.05 | netzach | https://community.hpe.com/t5/Insight-Control-for-Linux/hp-health-hpasmlited-Debian-segfault/td-p/6921253 |
| 19:42.16 | netzach | in there people say if you add nopat to your kernel flags it will work, and I did it and it worked indeed |
| 19:42.29 | bamb | greycat: also, can i build a kernel for 9.1 on 7.1? |
| 19:42.32 | bamb | greycat: also, can i build a kernel for 9.1 on 7.11? |
| 19:42.36 | netzach | but they also say that nopat decreases performacne quite a lot, and I am trying to google it but I am not sure how much nopat decreases performacne |
| 19:45.26 | netzach | I have found this https://www.kernel.org/doc/ols/2008/ols2008v2-pages-135-144.pdf it suggests that PAT does a lot for performacne |
| 19:45.52 | jelly | netzach: heh. I wanted to show which version of hp-health worked on our DL360 G9 with stretch, but it had segfaulted weeks before :-) |
| 19:46.16 | netzach | so yours doesn't work either then? |
| 19:46.54 | jelly | nope. You should still be able to see most sensors in iLO |
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| 19:47.17 | netzach | I hav eno idea how to setup iL0, I am really a noob |
| 19:47.31 | netzach | also this is an used server I've bought I don't even know if I have the license to do it |
| 19:47.39 | netzach | but adding the nopat flag allows me to use hp-health |
| 19:47.48 | jelly | read about it, remote management is one of the best features with brand-name servers |
| 19:48.03 | aura | Are there any software for taking notes in pdf files? |
| 19:48.40 | jelly | netzach: you may not have the advanced license, but basic functionality doesn't need a license |
| 19:48.56 | teraflops | aura: use latex \o/ |
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| 19:49.31 | teraflops | oh you meant editing them I think |
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| 19:50.12 | kurolox | Hello, how can I install clisp in debian? |
| 19:50.19 | jelly | netzach: using hp-health 10.40-1815.49 from "deb http://downloads.linux.hpe.com/SDR/downloads/MCP/debian jessie/current non-free", not that it matters |
| 19:50.26 | aura | latex? |
| 19:50.47 | aura | not edit them, just adding notes |
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| 19:51.04 | teraflops | yeah ignore my words |
| 19:51.10 | netzach | jelly: well in that link related to nopat they say they send messages to hp and they are working on it, but I am not sure if they will fix it for my older server version, not sure if hp-health is backwarsd compatible |
| 19:51.36 | netzach | I will take a look into iLO jelly , do you need to connect directly to a computer, or it can be connected to a router and have an ip? |
| 19:51.52 | netzach | from reading a bit I was under the impression you have to connect directly to it on that specific ethernet port |
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| 19:53.55 | jelly | netzach: you want to use the separate port if your machine has one. |
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| 19:55.08 | jelly | netzach: and you configure a separate network for it, it's basically a separate computer (that has a lot of control over your server) |
| 19:55.13 | netzach | jelly: but I can connect it to a router? or it must be directly to a pc |
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| 19:55.37 | jelly | netzach: a router, it gets an ip and default gateway and everything |
| 19:56.34 | jelly | netzach: best avoid putting it on public internet, tho |
| 19:56.56 | jelly | but it can be done |
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| 19:57.17 | netzach | oh right, sure jelly , thank you when I get some free time I'll try |
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| 19:57.42 | jelly | G7 has iLO3, there should be even mobile phone apps to access it |
| 19:57.54 | netzach | ok another question, I just installed zfs and it had some errors, notably a make error saying kmod spl devel should be installed and chek /var/lib/dmks/zfs.... some make log for more information |
| 19:58.21 | netzach | BUT the install finished and I was able to modprobe the mod, and when I checked the folder from the log it no longer exists, not even sure if it existed, there is only a source folder not a build one |
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| 19:58.44 | netzach | my question is do such error means that I did the install wrong? evne if I can launch the module I am still afraid cause I saw errors |
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| 20:00.31 | berzerk0 | The other day I did a fresh install of Kali 2017.1 for Vbox. I used the OffSec Vbox iso, like I have in the past. However, this time, no matter what I do, I can't seem to get my usb wifi cards to work in either monitor or station mode. I've run apt-get update/upgrade and apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi while connected to the host machine's card. The cards appear on lsusb, iwconfig and ifconfig, but I either don't pick up any SSIDs or if I |
| 20:00.32 | berzerk0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.33 | jelly | netzach: next time, consider saving the complete output so you have something to show |
| 20:00.46 | jelly | !kali |
| 20:00.46 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 20:00.48 | jelly | berzerk0: ^^ |
| 20:01.18 | berzerk0 | Fair enough, thanks. |
| 20:01.39 | netzach | jelly: I still have it on my screen, but I'd have to either take a picture or write it by hand, as I'm not sshed, I'm just switching plugging the monitor and keyboard and ethernet between this pc and the server that is right by me |
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| 20:02.07 | jelly | images are acceptable, some of us have working browsers |
| 20:02.42 | jelly | upload to imgur.com or picpaste.com or wherever |
| 20:03.12 | jelly | netzach: Shift-PageUp if some of it scrolled off already |
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| 20:03.44 | jelly | netzach: if you had iLO working you'd be able to open the text console via ssh! :-> |
| 20:04.52 | jelly | unless debian switched to framebuffer. Then you'd need advanced license to open the graphical console. |
| 20:05.17 | netzach | jelly: I see, well I didn't even set this up on my local network yet, I don't have a long enough cable and I need to even find a plcae to put it my small studio appartment |
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| 20:05.30 | netzach | I actually found the log in var log, it is same/similar? to the one on screen |
| 20:05.42 | jelly | no idea honestly |
| 20:05.49 | netzach | also I have a kernel error when it tries to load Radeon R100 firmware file :( and it switches to simpler vga driver |
| 20:06.04 | jelly | that's fine, you may ignore that |
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| 20:06.29 | person_ | does anyone know how to make gnome-terminal's background transparent on debian? |
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| 20:07.59 | netzach | http://imgur.com/a/DBBYq if you want to take a look at the logs, sorry for the bad quality of the photo |
| 20:09.39 | netzach | idk if you cvan see at the bottom but when I ls the folder it tells me to look into there is no or not longer a build folder, but there is still a source |
| 20:09.53 | n4dir | person_: most terminal-emulators do that by clicking on the menu <preferences> |
| 20:10.15 | jelly | netzach: I'd try to "dpkg-reconfigure zfs-0.6.5.9", looks like linux headers weren't completely installed when the process tried to build stuff |
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| 20:10.28 | person_ | n4dir: gnome-terminal in debian 9 doesn't have transparency settings or at least I don't know how to find them |
| 20:10.39 | n4dir | try roxterm or such instead |
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| 20:10.53 | person_ | it has transparency? |
| 20:11.06 | n4dir | xfce4-terminal would be another option. ; Yes, last time i used them they had it |
| 20:11.28 | n4dir | i use tilda, which has it for sure. but it is a ego-shooter-like drop-down terminal |
| 20:11.41 | person_ | nice I have a similar one too |
| 20:11.46 | person_ | and I use it |
| 20:11.48 | jelly | netzach: um, that may not the be correct package name. Do dpkg-reconfigure on the package that brings source for zfs related modules. Maybe it has zfs in the name, and it probably has dkms in the name too |
| 20:12.09 | person_ | but I also need a non drop down terminal that is transparent |
| 20:12.15 | jelly | netzach: I'll be away for a while, good luck |
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| 20:12.29 | n4dir | person_: tilda has transparency. |
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| 20:13.58 | person_ | n4dir: I'm have some other drop down terminal that is a gnome extension and it has transparency but I need a normal window terminal too if you get what I mean |
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| 20:14.43 | n4dir | person_: i would assume that the gnome-terminal does it too. Would surprise me. As a quick workaround you can try roxterm or xfce4-terminal. |
| 20:15.06 | n4dir | rumors said xfce4-terminal would have drop-down too, but i sure was never able to figure it out. |
| 20:15.08 | person_ | n4dir: they removed transparency from gnome-terminal |
| 20:15.11 | netzach | thank you jelly |
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| 20:15.32 | person_ | n4dir: can I use a drop down terminal normally in a window? |
| 20:15.50 | n4dir | person_: never tried it. don't know |
| 20:15.58 | netzach | what is a drop down terminal? |
| 20:16.32 | person_ | you press a hotkey and it drops down from the top like in Quake |
| 20:16.36 | n4dir | netzach: i am on desktop 1 and open tilda. Do some stuff. I go to desktop 2. I hit the according key (F1 per default), tilda drops down. |
| 20:17.26 | aaron83 | hey guys, my laptops restart when cpu go to 100% using chrome or firefox, debian8+mate |
| 20:17.27 | r2r0 | Can#t live without a "drop-down-terminal" since i discovered they exist ;-) |
| 20:17.29 | n4dir | now that i think of it: what might be the advantage instead of using the keyboard-shortcut and go back to desktop 1. well ... |
| 20:17.40 | person_ | my hotkey is the tilde and the problem I have is I can't type back ticks :/ |
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| 20:18.10 | person_ | netzach: here is an example: https://gfycat.com/FrayedEverlastingAplomadofalcon |
| 20:18.18 | r2r0 | person_: I use F12. |
| 20:18.50 | person_ | r2r0: I will have to do something similar it seems |
| 20:18.59 | n4dir | F1 is perfect, cause all other apps confuse it with the urge do open the "help-page". |
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| 20:19.25 | person_ | when I press f1 it tries to open something in my browser |
| 20:19.28 | aaron83 | tilda does not work very well with mc or byobu |
| 20:19.35 | n4dir | yup. very funny. person_ |
| 20:20.02 | r2r0 | person_: The only drawback is that it conficts with the firefox codeview-shortcut. |
| 20:20.32 | person_ | oh yeah true |
| 20:20.50 | person_ | what about ctrl+f1? |
| 20:20.59 | person_ | or ctrl+tilde |
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| 20:21.22 | person_ | less convenient but at least shouldn't confuse anything |
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| 20:22.13 | person_ | is there much difference between xfce terminal and roxterm? not sure which one to try |
| 20:22.24 | greycat | Try them all. |
| 20:22.39 | person_ | hehe |
| 20:22.48 | r2r0 | person_: F12 is ok for me. Firefox-developer-view has a high "nice-count" for me ;-) |
| 20:22.54 | n4dir | person_: i can't see a huge difference. But then: as long it's not xterm or other obscure ones, i never see a difference. |
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| 20:23.23 | person_ | r2r0: :D |
| 20:23.37 | nomic | debt levels are huge |
| 20:23.42 | nomic | ok wrong channel soryr |
| 20:23.56 | person_ | n4dir: yeah I guess there isn't that much difference because how different a terminal can be |
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| 20:24.22 | greycat | puts a Wyse 30 on person_'s desk |
| 20:24.34 | n4dir | terminator or such was very hip for a while, cause it had something like "split screen" or such. didn't make a difference to me either. |
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| 20:25.14 | r2r0 | person_: For the record: They really banned "transparency" form the gnome-terminal-settings! Outch! |
| 20:25.38 | person_ | greycat: :O woow |
| 20:25.54 | person_ | r2r0: yes :( very sad |
| 20:26.29 | greycat | http://terminals-wiki.org/wiki/index.php/File:Wyse_WY-30_201221249853-1.jpg |
| 20:27.10 | person_ | nice! |
| 20:27.29 | somiaj | just use a compositor if you want to make your termainls (or any other window) transparent. |
| 20:28.07 | person_ | I'm using a program called devilspie2 but it makes the whole terminal window transparent, not just background |
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| 20:28.44 | greycat | The Wyse 30 is especially irksome because its arrow keys do not use ESCAPE sequences at all. THe down arrow is just Ctrl-J. |
| 20:29.02 | person_ | LOL |
| 20:29.03 | r2r0 | greycat: "Clack, clack, clack" ;-) |
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| 20:29.32 | person_ | I had no idea there was a wiki dedicated to terminals |
| 20:29.41 | greycat | Me either. Google turned it up. |
| 20:30.09 | person_ | there should be a top 10 somewhere |
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| 20:30.32 | Vizva | W: Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file '/var/cache/apt/archives/partial/chromium_60.0.3112.78-1~deb9u1_amd64.deb' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: no permission) |
| 20:30.51 | Vizva | it updated it |
| 20:31.06 | Vizva | but whats the problem about ? |
| 20:31.20 | greycat | Vizva: you tried to use synaptic, I am guessing. |
| 20:31.25 | Vizva | yes |
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| 20:32.04 | aaron83 | apt-get clean apt-get autoclean as root |
| 20:32.12 | Vizva | but it should do the same commands |
| 20:32.17 | person_ | xfce terminal has a transparency setting yay! |
| 20:33.14 | aaron83 | tilda with gnome under debian 9 active the transparency too... |
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| 20:33.50 | person_ | but I need a terminal that can be a window |
| 20:34.01 | Vizva | aaron83 this was for me? |
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| 20:34.15 | greycat | I know there are known bugs with synaptic and _apt but I can't find a URL for how to fix them :( |
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| 20:34.36 | Vizva | greycat before i didnever had problems |
| 20:34.44 | aaron83 | yep....try to clean the cache |
| 20:34.55 | Vizva | it returns nothing |
| 20:35.10 | Vizva | it install the program but what about sandboxes |
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| 20:35.20 | aaron83 | after this reload the cache apt-get update |
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| 20:35.50 | LtL | Vizva: delete /etc/apt/trusted.gpg ; synaptic corrupts the file |
| 20:35.51 | person_ | n4dir, in xfce: "--drop-down Will start the window in drop-down mode (also called a Quake-style terminal)(...)" |
| 20:35.57 | Vizva | i could reisntall it and see what happen |
| 20:36.03 | n4dir | person_: thanks. |
| 20:36.10 | Vizva | but maybe the same |
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| 20:36.26 | Vizva | sounnds like a insecure way to download and install |
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| 20:37.03 | LtL | Vizva: perfectly safe |
| 20:37.06 | vlt | Hello. What steps are needed to make Debian run in read-only mount mode (using aufs or something like that)? Does anyone know a Debian based distro that does this out-of-the-box? |
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| 20:37.24 | Vizva | yes therefore i did say ---> sounds like |
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| 20:41.03 | Vizva | https://askubuntu.com/questions/908800/what-does-this-synaptic-error-message-mean |
| 20:41.12 | Vizva | i did found this i will check that and try |
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| 20:47.35 | KNERD | vlt: Debian Live off a CD, or DVD |
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| 20:48.02 | bamb | ok i just built a kernel using the debian docs method of make deb-pkg |
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| 20:48.14 | bamb | it says "dpkg-genchanges: including full source code in upload". which file contains the full source? |
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| 20:49.43 | vlt | KNERD: hmmm, I want to run it from a flash drive and configure the machine. Live CD is not reboot safe enough. |
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| 20:57.04 | KNERD | vlt: unable to write to CD is not "saf" enough? |
| 20:57.43 | KNERD | you can't get any more write proof than that |
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| 20:58.06 | vlt | KNERD: :D |
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| 20:58.18 | vlt | Thatâs not what I meant. |
| 20:58.23 | KNERD | or you can write the image to an SD card, switch the write tab on and put eh SD card in a USB to SD card reader |
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| 20:59.15 | KNERD | CD will always boto to CD first of the BIOS/UEFI is set to boot off it first |
| 20:59.16 | vlt | I need to read-only part to prevent the flash drive from dying early. |
| 20:59.18 | person_ | when I type gnome-terminal in terminal I then have two terminals |
| 20:59.31 | person_ | but when I do xfce4-terminal the terminal I used stays busy |
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| 20:59.41 | person_ | is there any way to fix that? |
| 21:00.07 | KNERD | vlt: you stated what you wanted, and I gave it to you |
| 21:00.21 | KNERD | you dont come bakc and sya "not what I wanted" |
| 21:01.05 | KNERD | if you want something else , state it clearly |
| 21:01.19 | vlt | KNERD: I didnât say that :-) I said itâs not what I *meant*. My question was not worded well enough. |
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| 21:04.09 | KNERD | vlt: exactly...so word it so it states what you mean, |
| 21:05.32 | vlt | Thank you, Iâll be back tomorrow. Need to sleep now. |
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| 21:12.38 | aloo_shu | xfce4-terminal & |
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| 21:13.30 | aloo_shu | ^ person ^ |
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| 21:24.56 | P4 | hi. i've got strange problem. I have setup debian with two mountpoints: sda1 on / and sda5 on /home. I have 1 user with home on /home/user. After that I dediced to not use sda5 for home anymore so I moved /home/user to /root, unmounted /home, moved /root/user to /home and commented out apropriate line in /etc/fstab. after a reboot I have issues with systemd-logind.service that fails and then I am stuck on |
| 21:24.57 | P4 | raising network interfaces. When I boot in recovery and then just invoke systemctl default then logind has no issues (but I don't get IP addresses from DHCP anymore). Could anybody hint me on what the hell is going on, please? :( This was debian jessie successfully upgraded to debian stretch |
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| 22:00.16 | aloo_shu | P4 this of course is not a solution yet, but possibly whatever command you used to copy, did leave a few special files behind |
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| 22:02.23 | t4nk661 | Bonsoir à tous et à toutes j'ai un petit souci au niveau du grub. |
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| 22:02.50 | t4nk661 | Lorsque je veux pouvoir augmenter baisser la luminosité je rentre cette commande dans le GRUB :GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet acpi_backlight=vendor" |
| 22:02.54 | aloo_shu | for solving, I suggest reading up on rsync (man rsync in s terminal), and asking others, P4 |
| 22:03.39 | t4nk661 | Le réglage de la luminosité fonctionne. Mais dès que j'essaye de passer en HDMI le son ne fonctionne plus. Je met du coup cette commande a la place : GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash radeon.audio=1" mais le réglage de la luminosité ne fonctionne plus... |
| 22:03.53 | t4nk661 | comment est il possible de conserver les deux paramètres ? |
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| 22:04.59 | aloo_shu | mettre les deux? mais c'est un channel in english, teoriquement |
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| 22:07.10 | aloo_shu | t4nk661 normalement qu'anglais ici, mais 'dans le grub': ou ca? |
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| 22:08.22 | aloo_shu | aussi, faire info grub dans un terminal et etudier, info info por entendre info, t4nk661 |
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| 22:10.10 | aloo_shu | t4nk661 cet CMDLINE est une sur plusiers facteurs pour generer les kernel arguments au moment du boot |
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| 22:11.36 | aloo_shu | t4nk661 avec cat /proc/cmdline tu peux voir ce que a eté ld commande *efectif* le derniet boot |
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| 22:16.25 | P4 | aloo_shu: i know rsync. i just mv /home/user /root and then mv it back but those both are on ext4 fs and no specific setup takes place. The only thing that's got left was lost+found. by the way, I can read your two messages only and the first one looks like it continue some other sentence - did I miss anything? :P |
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| 22:18.02 | P4 | I also grepped over /etc looking for sda5 and UUID of this partition and nothing is found. that's totally strange to me, specifically no DHCP reception afterwars, eh |
| 22:18.15 | somiaj | !fr |
| 22:18.15 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr. |
| 22:18.22 | P4 | !pl |
| 22:18.22 | dpkg | Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>. |
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| 22:18.44 | somiaj | it is prefered to stick to english in this channel, but there are places for support in other languages. |
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| 22:22.22 | aloo_shu | P4 bardzo dobry. No, I cannot help much, but often these special files left behind by mv and picked up by rsync with the right parameters, are files needed to authenticate the user, i.e. for X. I would not be surprised if your dhcp prob id a symptom only. you could probably even use dd to copy. |
| 22:22.49 | aloo_shu | *is |
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| 22:31.36 | aloo_shu | P4 also the cli tools for user management - usermod probably - allow moving home directories, that would be the most proper way, but I never tried |
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| 23:27.05 | Logg | Will Debian Potato be able to use an ext3 partition inside a dos logical volume? (ext3 is supported in potato) |
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| 23:27.38 | hellyeah | i am using jessie |
| 23:27.46 | hellyeah | system doesnt let me install npm |
| 23:27.55 | hellyeah | any help about that? |
| 23:28.14 | hellyeah | !npm |
| 23:28.15 | dpkg | node package manager (npm) is used to install <node.js> packages. |
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| 23:30.34 | Logg | did you try "apt-get update && apt-get install npm" hellyeah |
| 23:31.23 | hellyeah | yes |
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| 23:32.19 | rjdp9736 | I googled a lot about some glyphs related to some unicode pint not being painted on my debian system, but did not find a solution which totally nails this problem or give some insight into how to fix it, thanks . |
| 23:33.25 | hellyeah | this is that i got http://dpaste.com/0858E69 |
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| 23:34.04 | hellyeah | same thing happend if use aptitude command with -t jessie-backports |
| 23:34.25 | Logg | kind of looks like a frankendebian to me. |
| 23:34.28 | Logg | !frankendebian |
| 23:34.28 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 23:34.43 | hellyeah | what |
| 23:35.05 | hellyeah | i installed debian today |
| 23:35.23 | hellyeah | also i am using -t jessie-backports |
| 23:35.33 | hellyeah | it is supported anyway |
| 23:36.16 | hellyeah | als it is not release it is just backports |
| 23:36.20 | hellyeah | i dont understand |
| 23:37.16 | Logg | well, the error message says you have a newer library than what npm wants. 1.0.2l is from jessie-backports, but it wants 1.0.0 from jessie. |
| 23:38.32 | hellyeah | hmm |
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| 23:45.06 | P4 | aloo_shu: I see, thanks for those hints. since this system is not yet fully deployed, I will the most probably proceed from scratch. however this is confusing very much because IIRC I can see this not the first or even second time recently. I will give a try and switch from systemd to ol'good SysV initd hoping to see less troubles. Just guessing but it seems that http://suckless.org/sucks/systemd is so true. |
| 23:45.07 | P4 | (-; bye bye for now \o |
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| 23:48.31 | aloo_shu | P4 thanks. I've seen systemd-is-evil as a nick here. not decided yet myself. it was slackware that really helped learn sys v. *can* you even roll back to it in debian stii? |
| 23:48.50 | aloo_shu | *still |
| 23:49.00 | bazhang | left |
| 23:49.09 | aloo_shu | thx |
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| 23:50.23 | aloo_shu | and, can one? |
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| 23:54.55 | Arcanos | Hello people |
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| 23:55.29 | aedinius | hi |
| 23:55.39 | Arcanos | I am having an issue with getting my second monitor; which is connected to a second video card to display anything |
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| 23:57.44 | Arcanos | I am having an issue with getting my second monitor; which is connected to a second video card to display anything My video cards are displayed via lspci http://termbin.com/3nro |
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