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| 00:43.36 | oojacoboo | hey guys, could use a little help, trying to find a source for installing `git-crypt`, but I'm a bit new to Debian |
| 00:43.53 | oojacoboo | I looked and it seems like the package is available in "stretch" source |
| 00:44.23 | oojacoboo | I'm currently using "jessie" |
| 00:44.29 | oojacoboo | is "jessie" codename for Deb 8 and "stretch" is Deb 9 |
| 00:44.39 | oojacoboo | ? |
| 00:45.00 | ozzloy | oojacoboo, yes |
| 00:45.20 | oojacoboo | ozzloy is there any recommendation for installing a package like this on Deb 8? |
| 00:45.27 | ozzloy | (this is exactly the confusion i was asking about recently with codenames) |
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| 00:45.41 | oojacoboo | I guess compiling, but not sure if there is another way to pull from another source |
| 00:46.19 | ozzloy | i recommend upgrading to deb 9 unless you have a specific compelling reason not to |
| 00:46.19 | ozzloy | also i would start searching something like: |
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| 00:46.20 | oojacoboo | ozzloy using the official php docker container |
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| 00:46.26 | oojacoboo | which is Debian jessie |
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| 00:46.32 | ozzloy | "debian package how do i get source code" |
| 00:46.53 | somiaj | ozzloy: use a deb-src line and then apt-get source packagename |
| 00:47.09 | oojacoboo | somiaj just saw that in a google search |
| 00:47.27 | ozzloy | boom |
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| 00:47.46 | oojacoboo | does that require that I update my sources? |
| 00:47.56 | ozzloy | yes |
| 00:48.20 | ozzloy | add apt line, then update |
| 00:48.21 | lookingforme | he |
| 00:48.21 | ozzloy | then apt-get source |
| 00:48.21 | oojacoboo | ozzloy does that update the OS? |
| 00:48.23 | oojacoboo | or is that a temporary source change, then change it back? |
| 00:49.09 | ozzloy | no it doesn't update the whole OS |
| 00:49.09 | ozzloy | the apt line just tells apt another place it can look for packages |
| 00:49.14 | ozzloy | and what kind of packages |
| 00:49.18 | somiaj | deb-src lines only give access to source packages and can safely be added to your sources.list for a different release than you are running. |
| 00:49.30 | somiaj | you can't install binary packages with deb-src lines, only source code |
| 00:49.37 | oojacoboo | ozzloy but if I issued an apt-get upgrade, it would do a full OS upgrade, no? |
| 00:49.45 | oojacoboo | after updating my sources, that is |
| 00:49.53 | ozzloy | update != upgrade |
| 00:49.54 | ozzloy | oh |
| 00:49.59 | dvs | oojacoboo, no, read the release notes |
| 00:50.07 | ozzloy | do your apt lines say "stable" or "jessie" |
| 00:50.09 | ozzloy | ? |
| 00:50.14 | oojacoboo | ozzloy yes |
| 00:50.41 | ozzloy | which one? |
| 00:50.41 | ozzloy | (both?) |
| 00:50.41 | ozzloy | i'm a little out of my depth here |
| 00:50.41 | oojacoboo | debian jessie main |
| 00:50.46 | ozzloy | i defer to Someone Else (tm) |
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| 00:51.39 | ozzloy | but having said that, if it says "jessie" my guess is that you'll continue having jessie |
| 00:51.39 | oojacoboo | hmm, was reading some upgrade notes that said otherwise, I thought |
| 00:51.45 | oojacoboo | if you ran "upgrade", that is |
| 00:52.33 | ozzloy | if it says "stable" then you'll get whatever is "stable" at the time you issue the command |
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| 00:52.50 | ozzloy | which changes from time to time. until recently, "stable" meant "jessie" |
| 00:53.18 | oojacoboo | yea |
| 00:53.28 | oojacoboo | I'll TIAS |
| 00:53.38 | ozzloy | so if you had "stable" and stable has changed to refer to stretch |
| 00:53.38 | oojacoboo | thanks |
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| 00:55.05 | ozzloy | then issuing "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 00:55.12 | ozzloy | woops, sorry |
| 00:55.16 | ozzloy | i'm on the phone now |
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| 00:56.35 | RainbowFagPride | Hello |
| 00:57.08 | ozzloy | (sorry, i have to step away for a bit. oojacoboo, you should get help from another person) |
| 00:57.45 | oojacoboo | ozzloy I updated source.list, `apt-get autoremove`, then `apt-get update` then `apt-get install git-crypt` and it worked |
| 00:57.49 | oojacoboo | I'm still on Deb 8 |
| 00:58.57 | RainbowFagPride | Hello Freenode, I represent the Rainbow Fag Pride 420 movement. |
| 00:58.58 | RainbowFagPride | We wish to legalize gay marriage, crack cocaine, and transgender rights across the world |
| 00:58.58 | RainbowFagPride | I have come to ask for the assistance of expert computer programmers in our mission to free the queers |
| 00:59.11 | oojacoboo | RainbowFagPride please refrain from being offensive |
| 00:59.35 | RainbowFagPride | oojacoboo: are you a Muslim? You find LGBT issues offensive? |
| 00:59.36 | oojacoboo | pretty sure no one is going to take you seriously, or even find it funny |
| 00:59.56 | oojacoboo | I'm an agnostic, white American male |
| 00:59.57 | oojacoboo | thanks |
| 00:59.58 | RainbowFagPride | If not a Muslim you must be from the Ku Klux Klan |
| 01:00.37 | RainbowFagPride | oojacoboo: then what is your grounds for calling our movement offensive??? |
| 01:00.37 | Bsadowski1 | ... |
| 01:00.57 | oojacoboo | RainbowFagPride find another tree to bark up bro |
| 01:01.39 | RainbowFagPride | I am not barking. Are you calling LGBT persons dogs? |
| 01:02.03 | RainbowFagPride | !ops can someone deal with this racist oojacoboo please? |
| 01:02.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: rainbowfagpride complains about: can someone deal with this racist oojacoboo please |
| 01:02.03 | oojacoboo | can someone please ban this troll |
| 01:02.03 | ryouma | drop it |
| 01:02.08 | ryouma | (to the troll) |
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| 01:02.10 | forcerecon | If I add drives at a later time to debian will it cause any issues to booting |
| 01:02.36 | ryouma | forcerecon: your boot sequence might be relevant |
| 01:03.08 | ryouma | but you can probably set that |
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| 01:03.42 | forcerecon | I am having what seems like major lag on the machine once debian is installed,, gonna try one more time |
| 01:03.53 | forcerecon | I never get the panel or menu.. |
| 01:04.17 | forcerecon | and doing a key combination for terminal takes minutes to open |
| 01:04.21 | forcerecon | so not sure what is going on.. |
| 01:04.59 | forcerecon | what is the least resource intensive flavor of debian but still graphic |
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| 01:05.33 | ryouma | use a window manager |
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| 01:06.22 | somiaj | debian can be fairly minimial on resources. It is about the software you choose to run, not the distrubtion. |
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| 01:07.20 | forcerecon | well just not sure why windows would run so well on the home server but linux is having what seems to be video issues |
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| 01:07.20 | ryouma | minutes to open sounds like a disk problem |
| 01:07.28 | ryouma | accessing a block |
| 01:07.38 | ryouma | try smartctl |
| 01:07.44 | forcerecon | might be.,,, need to reset one more tim e |
| 01:07.47 | ryouma | smartmontools package |
| 01:07.59 | ryouma | look at offline uncorrected and .. whatever the ohter one is |
| 01:08.06 | ryouma | reallocated sector count or something |
| 01:08.16 | ryouma | look at raw numbers |
| 01:08.57 | forcerecon | its too slow to install anything or check anything would take hours |
| 01:09.32 | forcerecon | just easier to try and configure it once more and then maybe try another distro just to test it out.. |
| 01:10.04 | forcerecon | thanks everyone |
| 01:10.24 | ryouma | tell us what it was if you can |
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| 01:46.31 | Devastator | which channel should be suitable for virtualization questions? I'm mainly curious if I should use a different hdd for the host system and another one for the VMs or it is "ok" to put all in one |
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| 01:46.56 | plbyrdWork | Hello |
| 01:47.30 | plbyrdWork | What is the package that contains configure so I can build stuff? |
| 01:47.30 | plbyrdWork | I would have thought it would be in build-essential, but it isn't. |
| 01:47.53 | Hoolootwo | that's not how things work |
| 01:48.10 | Hoolootwo | configure is part of the source in almost all cases |
| 01:48.25 | plbyrdWork | ok |
| 01:48.55 | plbyrdWork | I'm trying to get gala compiled from the sources. |
| 01:49.12 | plbyrdWork | I don't see a configure app in the folder, but there is a configure.ac |
| 01:49.32 | ryouma | ./configure is usually a shell script or smoething |
| 01:49.49 | ryouma | maybe you can look at the makefile |
| 01:53.03 | somiaj | configure.ac is part of automake, you make need to use autoconf/automake to create the configure script |
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| 01:55.38 | plbyrdWork | ok |
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| 02:03.02 | plbyrdWork | @somiaj Thank you. I'm on my way now. |
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| 02:11.14 | mandate20 | Would you guys say that Ubuntu is more secure than Debian on a desktop level (for average users) considering the amount of app armor packages that ubuntu has |
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| 02:21.59 | Peyam | hi, When I run matlab following comes up. libGL error: unable to load driver: r600_dri.so |
| 02:21.59 | Peyam | libGL error: driver pointer missing |
| 02:21.59 | Peyam | libGL error: failed to load driver: r600 |
| 02:21.59 | Peyam | libGL error: unable to load driver: swrast_dri.so |
| 02:21.59 | Peyam | libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast |
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| 02:22.14 | Peyam | MATLAB is selecting SOFTWARE OPENGL rendering. |
| 02:22.18 | Peyam | Segmentation fault |
| 02:22.29 | Peyam | hi. When I run matlab following comes up: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25116062/ |
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| 02:25.14 | plbyrdWork | Well, now I get an error that gettext is out of date and it wants gettext-0.19.6 or newer, yet I've done apt-get upgrade gettext and it did a bunch of work and I still get the error. |
| 02:25.28 | Peyam | here is the X driver : http://paste.debian.net/977000/ It is the graphic card: http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 03:05.37 | context | so i have virtual networks setup for wifi, but wpa_supplicant still starts at boot and when i try to ifup iface=vritual i fails. i have to manually stop wpa_supplicant.service and then i can ifup |
| 03:05.43 | context | is there an /easy/ way to fix this |
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| 03:08.24 | context | or i guess, what is the best way to have saved networks and just... have it try to connect to whatever it can |
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| 03:10.31 | dvs | context, wpa-supplicant on roam mode |
| 03:11.12 | context | dvs: k ill google that |
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| 03:12.52 | dvs | context, /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz |
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| 03:14.43 | context | anyway to tell wpa_supplicant.conf to include other files. so i can keep networks like in /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf.d or something? ;x im not seeing anything though |
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| 03:16.02 | context | thnx |
| 03:16.14 | dvs | np |
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| 03:33.53 | context | alright. i have auto iface.. but i still have to ifup iface after logging in :X |
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| 03:40.44 | context | nm got that fixed :) |
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| 05:04.00 | noalternative | I need help getting wifi & battery indicator working on hp x2 10 laptop. I trying to follow directions from here https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/HP/Pavilion%20x2%2010%20(2015%20model)/Jessie |
| 05:06.29 | noalternative | I installed multiarch jessie & enabled backports but I can't install new linux image because of dependency.errors |
| 05:07.02 | noalternative | can someone help? |
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| 05:14.56 | jmcnaught | noalternative: "/msg dpkg bat" for information to provide for troubleshooting package dependency problems. Have you tried running stretch on it? |
| 05:15.25 | noalternative | https://pastebin.com/8JkpHdnW |
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| 05:16.37 | noalternative | well I downloaded right before Jessie became old stable. |
| 05:17.09 | noalternative | so no I have tried stretch. |
| 05:18.11 | noalternative | I will run that command. The paste is from my apt console. |
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| 05:18.40 | jmcnaught | noalternative: do you need the rt kernel? To install from backports you need to set it as the target: "apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-686-pae" |
| 05:18.59 | noalternative | ok |
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| 05:19.52 | jmcnaught | noalternative: also stretch was released last month and has newer versions of packages without needing to use backports, it's easy to upgrade following the instructions in the release notes: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ |
| 05:21.48 | noalternative | thanks apt-get is installing that one. I wasn't sure what to install becaause nothing looked like what the instructions said. |
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| 05:27.34 | noalternative | jmcnaught I'm going to reboot now but will be back. |
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| 07:21.10 | Haris | hello all |
| 07:21.23 | tx | hello one |
| 07:21.27 | Haris | can we have php 5.x (5.5.x or 5.6.x) on debian 9 ? |
| 07:21.34 | Haris | on stretch |
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| 07:27.32 | mandate20 | anyone know if you are required to do fancy chances within debian stretch (like modify grub) when using apparmor? Or is it now as simple as installing the package |
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| 07:40.56 | neoclust | hi |
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| 07:45.25 | petn-randall | Haris: PHP5 is not in stretch. However, you can still install jessie. It's still supported and comes with PHP 5.6. |
| 07:45.46 | Haris | no option to install 5.6 on stretch ? |
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| 07:50.20 | wwwwwwww | http://imgur.com/gU1GEMv |
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| 07:50.56 | wwwwwwww | i have the bottom script in /lib/systemd/system-sleep but it doesnt execute when i run systemctl sleep |
| 07:51.14 | wwwwwwww | i set the bits and permissions |
| 07:51.20 | wwwwwwww | anyone know why? |
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| 08:06.15 | petn-randall | Haris: You can always compile it by hand. |
| 08:06.30 | Haris | noted |
| 08:06.46 | Haris | usually the libraries do not support backward compatibility |
| 08:06.51 | Haris | but let's see |
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| 08:07.06 | petn-randall | Haris: What about installing jessie? |
| 08:07.15 | Haris | I could do that |
| 08:07.26 | Haris | debian does upgrade smoothly from jessie -> stretch, right ? |
| 08:07.29 | Haris | as before |
| 08:07.41 | petn-randall | Haris: As always, yes. But you should always make backups. |
| 08:07.54 | Haris | this is a brand new VM |
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| 09:33.15 | guest223 | I installed Debian 9 Stable with xfce but i am having problems with wifi. I am able to see all the available networks but can't connect. |
| 09:33.27 | guest223 | I used the non free iso. |
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| 09:37.03 | petn-randall | Guest86097: What wifi device do you have? |
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| 09:37.12 | petn-randall | Guest86097: You can check with 'lspci -nn'. |
| 09:38.11 | shtrb | guest223 , what do you mean "can't connect" , can you perform auth + dhcp request from cli ? |
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| 09:38.49 | shtrb | maybe nm "forgot" the password for the wifi (it happen sometimes if you lose connection ) and you have to manually click on the connect in the app |
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| 09:39.17 | shtrb | *if you are using nm to begin with |
| 09:40.20 | petn-randall | shtrb: There are several wifi devices that seemingly work without firmware packages, but they have buggy firmware on-chip, and fail to work on WPA2, for example. |
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| 09:40.58 | shtrb | I know that is why I asked if he can perform an auth from cli |
| 09:41.29 | shtrb | if he can , and he uses nm , it maybe as simple as the problem I had last week (nm forcing you to click on connect because the connection was dropped (too far from the router) ) |
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| 09:42.23 | shtrb | being able to auth mean you finished the process with wpa_supplicant without errors (in case of WPA2/WPA ) |
| 09:42.52 | petn-randall | shtrb: good point |
| 09:42.54 | shtrb | getting the CTRL-EVENT-CONNECTED |
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| 09:48.40 | guest223 | I am a complete beginner. So how do I perform an auth from cli? |
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| 09:49.15 | BrainWork | guest223, please define "an auth"? |
| 09:49.22 | nku | guest223: do you have a login prompt? |
| 09:49.30 | shtrb | I said it , an auth to a wifi |
| 09:49.41 | BrainWork | ah |
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| 09:49.50 | shtrb | guest233 , do you get the popup in xfce that ask for a password when you click connect ? |
| 09:50.03 | guest223 | I get a prompt. |
| 09:50.16 | shtrb | after you insert do you see any message or change ? |
| 09:50.23 | shtrb | on screen |
| 09:50.37 | guest223 | The network connection has been disconnected. |
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| 09:51.51 | guest223 | It is on a fresh install, and i tried reimstall the OS but the problem still persists even though tge wireless did connect during install. |
| 09:52.07 | plundra | Any idea why xbrightness has stopped working for me when moving from jessie to stretch? (Sprinkles of sid and experimental as well maybe... :)) |
| 09:52.11 | shtrb | you would need to open cli (terminal) , try something like dmesh| tail 10 after the connection an attempt |
| 09:52.31 | BrainWork | tail -n100 -f /var/log/messages |
| 09:52.33 | shtrb | *dmesg | tail -n 10 |
| 09:52.46 | BrainWork | that might help, it will keep it scrolling, then you just try to conenct and see what it says |
| 09:52.54 | BrainWork | failing that /var/log/syslog might have more information |
| 09:52.55 | shtrb | BrainWork too much info |
| 09:53.12 | shtrb | guest233 , if you paste use a paste site |
| 09:53.33 | shtrb | you might be missing a firmware , or nm being not friendly |
| 09:54.14 | guest223 | it says |
| 09:54.31 | guest223 | send auth to |
| 09:54.41 | guest223 | then the mac address |
| 09:54.48 | guest223 | then authenticated |
| 09:55.02 | guest223 | It is repeated three times. |
| 09:55.25 | shtrb | you have assoited ? |
| 09:55.33 | shtrb | or deauth |
| 09:55.46 | petn-randall | guest223: Can you connect the problematic PC via Ethernet? That way you could paste the exact messages you get, which would help us with debugging. |
| 09:55.53 | guest223 | then IPv6 ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP) link is not ready |
| 09:56.04 | shtrb | you better paste it on some paste site |
| 09:56.13 | petn-randall | !paste |
| 09:56.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 09:56.35 | guest223 | Ok. |
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| 09:56.41 | humbobo | on some laptop i had to disable IPv6 in the settings |
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| 09:57.44 | Dagger | ...please don't disable v6 just because the v6 code has an informative message telling you that the interface isn't ready yet |
| 09:59.17 | guest223 | http://picpaste.com/tmp-cam-105161675-ng3Ad7lu.jpg |
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| 10:02.56 | shtrb | the association is missing from that trace - please make sure your mac is not banned on the router and that you are not missing any firmware |
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| 10:04.52 | shtrb | To be sure you can create a /etc/wpa_suppliant.conf file (using wpa_passphrase ) and than doing wpa_supplicant -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -i wlxc83a35ca4935 |
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| 10:05.43 | guest223 | ok. |
| 10:05.53 | shtrb | wpa_passphrase "networkname" password >> /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 10:06.06 | shtrb | guest223 , and double check the password :) |
| 10:06.44 | humbobo | especially if theres odd characters or different locales |
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| 10:06.55 | debooooo | Hey is Debian Live same as Ubuntu Live I mean does it only use the RAM for storage like Ubuntu? |
| 10:07.11 | guest223 | Well thanks. |
| 10:08.38 | guest223 | I am sure that the mac is not banned as it was working previously while i was using ubuntu gnome. And I have tried that password a couple of times and even tried connecting to my phones hotspot. Couldn't connect. |
| 10:09.16 | petn-randall | debooooo: That's how live systems work, yes. However, if you want to install, I recommend using the net installer, since the live system at least has a bug setting the root password when installing with it. |
| 10:09.43 | jelly | debooooo, by default yes. There's some support for persistence that requires extra configuration. |
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| 10:19.19 | opv | hi everyone, i want to automate the install of the "snoopy" package on debian 8. however, the install routine as part of apt presents me with a "dialog" window after the package is installed. how can i automate that? |
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| 10:22.00 | petn-randall | opv: If you have a non-interactive shell it will just select the defaults and skip the dialog. |
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| 10:30.08 | nohitall | hi I have a issue with stretch installation, I amtrying to install it on a 50GB partition (guided partitioning) but it fails because it says its too small...? |
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| 10:32.52 | petn-randall | nohitall: How did you create the installation image? |
| 10:35.08 | nohitall | petn-randall: ah nevermind...I forgot a step in between *facepalm* |
| 10:35.21 | nohitall | installing now fine |
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| 10:36.57 | nohitall | petn-randall: got so many disks I oversaw "finish partitioning and writes changes to disk" |
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| 10:38.06 | petn-randall | nohitall: Ah, good you found the mistake. |
| 10:39.29 | nohitall | petn-randall: yea 99% user mistake |
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| 10:42.05 | joe03 | Hi after updating a Server from Debian 6 to 7 the network interfaces do not come up automatically on boot. Nothing changed in network/interfaces. The interfaces work if I configure them manually with ifconfig. Any ideas how to fix this ? |
| 10:43.40 | debooooo | petn-randall and jelly: Thanks. |
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| 10:56.52 | nvz | joe03: check dmesg log to see if it says anything like link not ready. Paste your interfaces file and dmesg log on paste.debian.net for more details if need be |
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| 11:03.19 | z8z | Hello, how to remote access a debian desktop? |
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| 11:05.13 | wondiws | where can I find the keymap or country code in use for my keyboard? |
| 11:05.33 | wondiws | I want to change the mapping of the xkb files, but I need to know which language |
| 11:05.35 | nvz | z8z: do you want to access a running x session or start a new one? |
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| 11:06.25 | nku | z8z: ssh? |
| 11:06.31 | rafalcpp | z8z: using VNC, but because that protocol was created by totall idiots, always remember to tunnel it via SSH |
| 11:07.13 | rafalcpp | z8z: if you are ok with starting "new apps", other then "connecting to my entire desktop that I have open", you could use just ssh -X instead |
| 11:07.14 | nvz | vnc is more for making a new session, rdp is for accessing a running session |
| 11:07.25 | rafalcpp | nvz: what? since when |
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| 11:08.14 | nvz | since when you start xvncserver it by default creates a new x session and doesnt even require that you have an x server running or even installed, and rdp exports a current display's framebuffer |
| 11:08.30 | rafalcpp | nvz: I use VNC to connect to existing desktops. run vnc server on the desktop (and install firewall etc), then connect over secure encrypted and authed network from the client using vnc client |
| 11:08.48 | rafalcpp | nvz: VNC does the same easily, I used that, no problems |
| 11:09.45 | nvz | rdp programs are easier for people that don't know their way around vnc server, it has guis to start and manage the sessions even popup a dialog asking if someone can connect |
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| 11:10.10 | nvz | vnc is good when you want to keep things light cause as I said it doesnt even require x to be installed |
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| 11:10.26 | rafalcpp | nvz: btw how secure is rdp? encrypted connection? is password encrypted/hashed? |
| 11:10.39 | rafalcpp | vnc is the only program I know that is much less secure then even say systemd |
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| 11:11.13 | rafalcpp | around adobe flash levels. maybe it should show special warning on first run |
| 11:11.25 | z8z | nvz: i tried vnc before but i was accessing a desktop where windows had no top bar and stuff |
| 11:11.26 | nvz | 11 |
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| 11:12.36 | nvz | z8z: sounds like a misconfiguration there are lots of options |
| 11:13.00 | nvz | there is a third option built into X but I forget what its called |
| 11:13.30 | z8z | nvz: ok i'm trying in this moment.... is there some GUI to setup vnc server? |
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| 11:15.24 | nvz | xdmcp thats what it was called |
| 11:16.18 | nvz | z8z: in my experience the easiest graphical method to export a running x server is rdp, not vnc |
| 11:16.34 | nvz | vnc is more for people who want to get into the config files and command line options |
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| 11:16.49 | colo-work | what? `x11vnc`, and you are done |
| 11:17.17 | nvz | hmm I never tried that before |
| 11:17.38 | nvz | there also seems to be ssvnc which aids tunneling over ssh |
| 11:19.25 | z8z | nvz: x11vnc supports encryption.... why would i need ssh too? |
| 11:20.07 | nvz | z8z: ssh is to tunnel it if you're accessing it across the internet because vnc is not encrypted |
| 11:20.26 | nvz | RDP is a more advanced protocol and can run more effeciently |
| 11:21.39 | nvz | RDP not only more intelligently draws the remote framebuffer, but it can also support extensions like audio |
| 11:22.26 | nvz | which is why I said vnc is more for the power user because its just a dumb protocol and needs other things to make it do stuff RDP already does |
| 11:22.28 | z8z | nvz: sounds good... it supports encryption too i guess |
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| 11:23.18 | nvz | yes it does have encryption capabilities on its own as well |
| 11:23.36 | nvz | I would still recommend using a VPN or SSH though when doing these kinds of things over the internet |
| 11:24.19 | nvz | openvpn and ssh aren't that difficult to setup and they support more robust port management and security features like keys |
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| 11:24.58 | nvz | if you're just doing this inside your home or office network RDP's built in security may be enough |
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| 11:29.11 | aguitel | anyway to install flash plugin in stretch ? |
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| 11:31.18 | nvz | aguitel: need to add non-free sources and install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 11:32.07 | nvz | aguitel: if you need more information on how to do that, I need to know if you typically use like apt-get or aptitude on the command line or a GUI like synaptic |
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| 11:33.11 | aguitel | nvz, this is my file:deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free ,but no flash |
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| 11:34.10 | jelly | nvz, flashplugin-nonfree downloader has been broken for months |
| 11:34.15 | opv | petn-randall: thank you for your response. i wish to select the other option, how would i go about doing that? |
| 11:34.29 | nvz | jelly: I thought most new browsers come bundled with a flash implementation now |
| 11:34.58 | opv | they do, don't they |
| 11:35.19 | forcerecon | morning everyone |
| 11:35.22 | jelly | not the ones you get in debian |
| 11:35.44 | nvz | jelly: this is the 2nd person I saw ask about this in the last 24 hours, and I've been away too long to know these things :P |
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| 11:36.06 | aguitel | jelly, some sites need flash to open , how do that? |
| 11:36.07 | nvz | I just noticed flashplugin-nonfree doesnt show up for me either |
| 11:36.44 | jelly | it's there, but "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" does not work |
| 11:37.38 | nvz | aguitel: browser-plugin-gnash is a free implementation that supports older versions of flash up to version 9 |
| 11:37.47 | aguitel | is debian error or flash error ? |
| 11:37.48 | jelly | aguitel, get tarball of flash from adobe, unpack libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ directory |
| 11:38.07 | forcerecon | curious.. if you are creating a raid array and you will be using the array for stuff you are storing in the cloud, then I don't really care if a drive dies, I can just rebuild and get the data back from the cloud. I can use raid 0 |
| 11:38.13 | nvz | 11 |
| 11:38.28 | forcerecon | this way I maximize space get excellent performance and again don't need to worry about data |
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| 11:38.41 | jelly | aguitel, if the downloader were in main repo, it would be debian's error |
| 11:38.58 | aguitel | jelly nvz ok |
| 11:39.28 | nvz | investigates the issue |
| 11:39.58 | jelly | I'm assuming you're trying to make firefox work. Don't know where to put the files to make chromium work. |
| 11:40.40 | jelly | forcerecon, sure, if you have enough upload bandwidth to actually sync everything to the cloud |
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| 11:40.50 | nvz | jelly: there are no outstanding bugs open on the package, they are all on old branches and closed |
| 11:41.14 | jelly | nvz, does "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" work for you? |
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| 11:41.46 | nvz | jelly: as I said I don't even have the package available |
| 11:42.21 | jelly | it's only available for i386 and amd64 |
| 11:42.23 | nvz | even judd says its not in stretch |
| 11:42.28 | forcerecon | jelly: thanks.. yes I do.. all good.. thanks again |
| 11:42.32 | nvz | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 11:42.33 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2+wheezy1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1+deb8u1; sid/contrib: 1:3.7 |
| 11:42.54 | jelly | makes sense, because it's been useless for months |
| 11:43.22 | jelly | it doesn't work in jessie/i386. |
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| 11:44.18 | forcerecon | this is just a test run.. I had lots of trouble with debian 9 on this home server.. I had to try something else after working on it so long yesterday, so I bit the bullet and downloaded linux mint debian edition. seems to be running perfectly. However, what I am thinking, is that I will create the array and the partitions will all be set, then install debian again. This time everything will be in place and I can just pick and choose |
| 11:44.18 | forcerecon | during installation. Hopefully that fixes the issues I had yesterday |
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| 11:45.06 | forcerecon | array creation underway... might be done tomorrow night some time |
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| 11:46.50 | galex-713 | Hi, I have the thinkpenguin.com usb wifi dongle (the big one with the external rf antenna) and it first werenât recognized, then Iâve downloaded their htc_9271.fw (they recommand using it for debian 7 and 8 but it was before 9 was out) and did put it in /lib/firmware and now the dongle is recognized and I can see the wifi AP around me but canât connect to anyone :/ |
| 11:46.59 | galex-713 | it does âconfiguring interfaceâ then disconnect |
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| 11:48.31 | nvz | dpkg, flash stretch is flashplugin-nofree package has been broken for months and was not included in stretch. To install manually obtain the flash plugin from https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions and unpack libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ |
| 11:48.31 | dpkg | okay, nvz |
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| 11:49.16 | jelly | judd, file htc_9271.fw |
| 11:49.20 | judd | Search for htc_9271.fw in stretch/amd64: firmware-atheros: lib/firmware/htc_9271.fw |
| 11:49.25 | nvz | dpkg flash =~ s/841373/841373. See also <flash stretch>./ |
| 11:49.25 | dpkg | nvz: OK |
| 11:49.37 | jelly | galex-713, install that firmware-atheros package |
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| 11:49.52 | jelly | dpkg, tell galex-713 about non-free sources |
| 11:50.20 | galex-713 | jelly, it is meant to work without non-free software |
| 11:50.33 | galex-713 | and I already got it work on a fully-free debian system |
| 11:50.49 | jelly | galex-713, sure, but debian did not switch to packaging the free firmware separately |
| 11:50.51 | jelly | yet |
| 11:51.10 | galex-713 | ? |
| 11:51.19 | galex-713 | you mean firmware-atheros is free software? |
| 11:51.31 | jelly | no, I mean some parts of it are free. |
| 11:51.53 | galex-713 | ahhh ok |
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| 11:52.18 | galex-713 | then I prefer downloading that through the website |
| 11:52.25 | jelly | suit yourself |
| 11:52.30 | galex-713 | instead of adding the whole non-free repo |
| 11:52.45 | wondiws | I've got here a simple bluetooth keyboard that I paired with my raspberry-pi, this keyboard doesn't have an escape key or function keys, but instead multimedia keys. I want to remap those keys, but it seems there are several ways of doing this |
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| 11:52.49 | galex-713 | jelly, btw, why arenât the free stuff separated so that theyâre accessible in non-free? |
| 11:52.55 | wondiws | what is the most practical way, y'all reckon? |
| 11:53.07 | jelly | galex-713, don't remember |
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| 11:53.32 | jelly | there were some build issues with ath htc stuff, I think |
| 11:53.32 | wondiws | I'm now in the /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols directory |
| 11:53.49 | nvz | wondiws: that depends on your usage entirely, triggerhappy will work globally on console and in any desktop system |
| 11:54.19 | jelly | galex-713, not sure how out of date this page is: https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc/open_firmware |
| 11:54.26 | nvz | wondiws: it also supports moded bindings, where you can bind the same keys to different functions in different modes |
| 11:54.45 | jelly | wondiws, if you're running raspbian on it right now, the right place to ask is #raspbian channel |
| 11:55.03 | galex-713 | ok strangely http decided to stop working |
| 11:55.25 | wondiws | jelly, yes, but I suspect this channel is more active, and it's not specific to raspbian. Altough raspbian is also active, I admit that |
| 11:55.47 | wondiws | I'll install triggerhappy first |
| 11:56.07 | wondiws | oh, it's already installed |
| 11:56.12 | jelly | wondiws, we do not support derivatives in here, if anyone is interested they can freely join #raspbian |
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| 11:56.44 | wondiws | jelly, then I pair this keyboard to my ultrabook :P |
| 11:56.59 | jelly | if you can reproduce the issue on actual debian (say, connect the keyboard to a pc, yes), then you'll be free to ask here. Please don't lie, tho. |
| 11:57.56 | wondiws | jelly, then I'll pair this keyboard, I forgot the 'll :P |
| 11:58.04 | wondiws | but enough of this banter |
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| 11:58.25 | wondiws | I will do my best to comply |
| 11:58.31 | jelly | thanks |
| 11:58.34 | botho | this page https://www.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed mentions 2 companies in belgium who sell debian pre-installed systems. i think they should both be removed, one does not seem to sell hardware (anymore), the other sells laptops with either ubunu or mint preinstalled. |
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| 11:59.09 | debianUser5939 | Hello i have 3 machines |
| 11:59.22 | botho | ah |
| 11:59.26 | debianUser5939 | computerA, computerB, computerC |
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| 11:59.33 | botho | no, the second does sell debian laptops. the first doesn't |
| 12:00.11 | debianUser5939 | I successfully managed to mount a resource from computerC to computerA via ssh |
| 12:00.31 | debianUser5939 | But because computerC has a very poor arm processor, i would like to change it in SMB |
| 12:00.37 | debianUser5939 | I'm using this command: |
| 12:00.48 | debianUser5939 | ssh -f userB@systemB -L 2222:systemC:22 -N |
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| 12:00.53 | debianUser5939 | sshfs -p 2222 userC@localhost:/remote/path/ /mnt/localpath/ |
| 12:01.16 | debianUser5939 | what i wonder is.. can i use instead of the second line with sshfs.. a smb mount ? |
| 12:01.26 | debianUser5939 | can you help me with the syntax ? |
| 12:01.39 | jelly | you can to tunnel cifs protocol via ssh? |
| 12:01.49 | jelly | s/can to/want to/ |
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| 12:02.25 | jelly | debianUser5939, that won't make any difference in CPU usage on systemB |
| 12:02.35 | debianUser5939 | jelly: and that's ok for me |
| 12:02.47 | debianUser5939 | jelly: pcA and pcB are very powerful |
| 12:03.16 | debianUser5939 | jelly: it's pcC that is a poor nas with arm and if it use ssh slows down everything down to 5MB/s as maximum |
| 12:03.29 | debianUser5939 | i have to transfer 4TB :\ it takes ages |
| 12:03.53 | debianUser5939 | jelly: i think i can tunnel it |
| 12:04.06 | debianUser5939 | jelly: machines A and B are with debian9 |
| 12:04.17 | debianUser5939 | so i can access to any available deb9 package |
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| 12:07.59 | jelly | changing to cifs tunnel won't make ssh on systemB work any faster |
| 12:09.36 | debianUser5939 | and it's ok |
| 12:09.43 | debianUser5939 | machines A and B have 0.2 load.. |
| 12:09.53 | debianUser5939 | instead machine C has 2.8 load |
| 12:10.19 | debianUser5939 | which command i can use to mount the resource via cifs ? |
| 12:11.42 | debianUser5939 | mount -t cifs //localhost -o username=admin,password=mypass /mnt/myshare <-- i guess that i have to specify the port too right ? |
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| 12:12.53 | debianUser5939 | hmm soo |
| 12:13.14 | debianUser5939 | ssh -f userB@systemB -L 4444:systemC:445 -N |
| 12:13.36 | debianUser5939 | mount -t cifs //localhost -o username=admin,password=mypass,port=4444 /mnt/myshare |
| 12:13.38 | debianUser5939 | right ? |
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| 12:22.37 | debianUser5939 | jelly: what is the command for debian9 ? i think they changed something.. also smbfs doesn't work :\ |
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| 12:23.36 | jelly | debianUser5939, //localhost/share-name, don't forget the share name |
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| 12:24.04 | debianUser5939 | jelly: generally i like tho browse via all the shares available |
| 12:24.15 | jelly | no idea about port specification, man mount.cifs |
| 12:24.30 | debianUser5939 | the error however is: wrong fs type. misssing codepage or helper program |
| 12:24.33 | jelly | debianUser5939, generally you don't mount all shares, just one |
| 12:24.53 | debianUser5939 | it's ok but he says that i miss the helper program or fs |
| 12:25.07 | jelly | judd, file sbin/mount.cifs |
| 12:25.10 | judd | Search for sbin/mount.cifs in stretch/amd64: cifs-utils: sbin/mount.cifs |
| 12:25.20 | jelly | debianUser5939, ^^ make sure cifs-utils is installed |
| 12:25.37 | debianUser5939 | hmm i fear not lol |
| 12:26.26 | debianUser5939 | ok them are not installed i will try again once them are installed |
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| 12:28.35 | cybrNaut | these steps fucked up my new debian installation => https://www.logilab.org/blogentry/29155 (under "turn it off") |
| 12:29.04 | cybrNaut | now I get a boot-time loop saying "cryptsetup (sda5_crypt): lvm is not available |
| 12:29.41 | cybrNaut | do I have to reinstall debian from scratch? |
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| 12:31.17 | jelly | cybrNaut, boot a livecd, see if you can luksOpen the right partition manually |
| 12:32.25 | cybrNaut | jelly: would it work to boot a hard drive with my old system instead of a live CD? |
| 12:32.45 | cybrNaut | i could attach the messed up drive to the system I have running now |
| 12:32.47 | galex-713 | jelly, once I downloaded and did put the new htc_9271.fw in the /lib/firmware directory, what should I do to make it work? |
| 12:32.50 | galex-713 | reboot? |
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| 12:38.20 | galex-713 | jelly, it does the same as before for the moment :/ |
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| 12:42.40 | iodev | can anyone help me with my QCA9377? |
| 12:42.56 | iodev | I can't get it to work after I turn on bluetooth |
| 12:43.09 | iodev | net is slower than <0.1 Mbps |
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| 12:43.23 | iodev | (after I start using a headset speed drops) |
| 12:44.55 | cybrNaut | "Device /dev/sdb5 is not a valid LUKS device." |
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| 12:45.47 | iodev | cybrNaut: corrupted? |
| 12:45.51 | digitalboy | Hi guys, I'm wondering how to install Debian without that 1MB alignment partition at the beginning of the partition table.. |
| 12:46.07 | cybrNaut | cryptsetup should not be doing anything with my /dev/sda5 |
| 12:46.18 | cybrNaut | https://www.logilab.org/blogentry/29155 (under "turn it off") |
| 12:46.22 | cybrNaut | iodev: not sure, i followed these steps ^ |
| 12:46.27 | iodev | digitalboy: not really mbscrooge |
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| 12:47.31 | digitalboy | iodev: I don't understand, mbscrooge? What is that? |
| 12:47.44 | petn-randall | digitalboy: Why do you want to do that? |
| 12:47.47 | petn-randall | !xy problem |
| 12:47.48 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 12:48.12 | iodev | digitalboy: a joke, if you worry about 1 MB, you sure are a cheapskate (a megabyte scrooge) |
| 12:48.12 | digitalboy | petn-randall: Because I think don't need it |
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| 12:48.40 | iodev | even if you don't need it, cmon! you got at least 100000MB :D |
| 12:49.05 | petn-randall | digitalboy: You'll need it to embed grub into the start of the partition, and it's not that much you're loosing on a e.g. 1 TB drive. |
| 12:49.19 | petn-randall | iodev: not helping |
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| 12:49.47 | iodev | petn-randall: sorry |
| 12:50.19 | digitalboy | petn-randall: Are you sure? Even with a UEFI based firmware? I mean the firmware is looking for an ESP partition right? vfat? |
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| 12:51.55 | petn-randall | digitalboy: In that case grub ends up being a PE32 on the ESP. But even then you'd at most gain less than a floppy disk worth of data, at risk of using the wrong block alignment and risking a performance drop on I/O. |
| 12:52.22 | petn-randall | digitalboy: So I recommend not worrying about it and just carrying on with the installation. |
| 12:53.13 | jelly | cybrNaut, did you tell it to do something with your /dev/sda5? what do "lsblk" and "blkid" say? |
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| 12:54.00 | digitalboy | petn-randall: Thank you for the precious info, anyway do you still think that alignment would be needed on a SSD drive? |
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| 12:58.17 | wondiws | I've never seen this before: "sudo bash" just hangs the terminal |
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| 12:58.28 | wondiws | CTRL-C doesn't do anything either anymore |
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| 13:01.38 | cybrNaut | jelly: lsblk shows this => ââsdb5 8:21 0 3.9G 0 part |
| 13:01.59 | cybrNaut | (note that it's sdb5 instead of sda5 b/c I mounted it to my working system) |
| 13:02.03 | jelly | cybrNaut, pastebin complete outputs, please |
| 13:02.19 | jelly | !paste |
| 13:02.19 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 13:03.56 | jelly | ,v firmware-ath9k-htc |
| 13:03.58 | judd | Package: firmware-ath9k-htc on amd64 -- buster: 1.4.0-81-gf206e56+dfsg-2; sid: 1.4.0-81-gf206e56+dfsg-2 |
| 13:04.12 | petn-randall | digitalboy: Sure, SSDs also work in block, just like rotating platters. |
| 13:04.17 | petn-randall | *blocks |
| 13:05.06 | z8z | nvz: i logged in to the newly created xrdp server but i see all blue desktop with nothing in it |
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| 13:06.09 | digitalboy | petn-randall: You were right, thank you for helping me, I've also found this PDF (by Intel) that talks about SSD alignment: https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/technology-briefs/ssd-partition-alignment-tech-brief.pdf |
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| 13:07.09 | digitalboy | petn-randall: Sorry to bother you again, but I have one more question (or maybe two :D) |
| 13:07.17 | cybrNaut | jelly: http://sprunge.us/AIaN <= that's the lsblk |
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| 13:10.46 | petn-randall | digitalboy: Go ahead, just ask. |
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| 13:13.34 | cybrNaut | jelly: http://sprunge.us/ahZI <= that's the blkid with uuids clobbered |
| 13:13.58 | sypher | Why are we masking uuids, exactly? |
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| 13:14.31 | cybrNaut | sypher: they're not relevant to the problem |
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| 13:14.51 | cybrNaut | /dev/sdb6: UUID="foo" TYPE="crypto_LUKS" PARTUUID="foo" <= the type seems to be the problem.. |
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| 13:15.50 | cybrNaut | blkid reports /dev/sdb6 to be crypto_LUKS.. how do I change that? |
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| 13:16.26 | cybrNaut | oh, sorry, that's sdb6, it's correct |
| 13:16.36 | jelly | cybrNaut, and why did you hide uuids? |
| 13:16.39 | cybrNaut | i can't see what the problem is |
| 13:16.59 | cybrNaut | jelly: they're unique, a kind of fingerprint |
| 13:17.06 | jelly | yeah, so? |
| 13:17.25 | cybrNaut | iow, they identify me.. if i wanted to be identified, my handle would be my name |
| 13:17.39 | digitalboy | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/b981c383 |
| 13:17.45 | jelly | munging data makes it hard to help you |
| 13:17.54 | sypher | cybrNaut: That's not how UUIDs work. At all. |
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| 13:18.29 | cybrNaut | jelly: so knowing the uuid will help you solve the problem? |
| 13:18.55 | jelly | it will make me more confident you didn't mess anything else in the output |
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| 13:19.23 | jelly | cybrNaut, in any case, your sdX5 does not seem to be a luks container. Fix your /etc/crypttab and rebuild initramfs so it does not even try to decrypt it |
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| 13:19.23 | petn-randall | digitalboy: Are you crossposting this question somewhere? |
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| 13:19.38 | digitalboy | petn-randall: No, why you ask? |
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| 13:19.58 | petn-randall | digitalboy: Because you created a paste with your question in it. |
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| 13:20.05 | petn-randall | digitalboy: Just install 'less' then. |
| 13:20.09 | digitalboy | I've used the Debian paste service because the poste was more than 2 lines |
| 13:20.11 | cybrNaut | jelly: i already had sda5 removed from the crypttab, but rebuilding initramfs seems to be what's eluded me |
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| 13:20.36 | jelly | cybrNaut, use update-initramfs |
| 13:20.40 | cybrNaut | thanks |
| 13:21.03 | digitalboy | petn-randall: How can I install it without an active Internet connection? Can i use dpkg when the system is booted from the Debian USB? |
| 13:21.19 | petn-randall | digitalboy: You can type long messages in here, no problem. Just don't paste contents of files in here, as the bot will kick you if you send 4 or more messages per second. |
| 13:21.23 | cybrNaut | can i do that on my running system and only affect the /dev/sdbX devices? |
| 13:21.39 | digitalboy | Mmm, I get: dpkg: not found |
| 13:21.42 | petn-randall | digitalboy: Do you have no internet connection at all? |
| 13:21.45 | digitalboy | petn-randall: Oh, ok nice :) |
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| 13:22.06 | petn-randall | digitalboy: "dpkg: not found" when you type what exactly? And where? |
| 13:22.08 | kaboutur | dances around in the room |
| 13:22.09 | digitalboy | It is a system without a NIC (wired or wireless) |
| 13:22.27 | digitalboy | on the ash shell on the install medium |
| 13:22.36 | digitalboy | When trying to install Debian on the target system |
| 13:22.57 | greycat | If you're trying to administer your Debian installation from rescue media, the second step is generally to mount the installed Debian system and chroot into it. |
| 13:22.57 | petn-randall | digitalboy: Yeah, that won't work. I thought you're working with an already installed system. |
| 13:23.48 | digitalboy | petn-randall: Sadly no :( I've forget to tell you, sorry for the confusion :( |
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| 13:25.39 | jelly | cybrNaut, mount your debian filesystem, bind-mount /dev and /proc and /sys into it, chroot into it, and then do update-initramfs ... |
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| 13:26.35 | jelly | digitalboy, you can install the base system from the installer, that's what it's for. Afterwards you'll have dpkg and apt-get present inside that fresh installation |
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| 13:29.04 | digitalboy | jelly: Ok, but how can I use the "fdisk" tool effectively on the Debian install medium (bootable USB stick)? At the moment fdisk is unable to display the hex codes for the partition types because "less" is missing from the install media and if I can't install less because dpkg is missing how can I solve the issue? |
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| 13:29.35 | digitalboy | jelly: Do you think that the DVD version of Debian contains the "less" program? |
| 13:29.37 | greycat | The installer has a guided partitioning step that you can use. |
| 13:29.55 | jelly | digitalboy, no idea, probably |
| 13:30.09 | greycat | Why are you typing fdisk|less if you know that less is missing? |
| 13:30.25 | digitalboy | greycat: Yeah but I like the idea of further "customize" my system |
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| 13:30.38 | greycat | Just get the base system INSTALLED, and then you can customize it to your heart's content. |
| 13:31.13 | digitalboy | greycat: I'm not typing fdisk | less, I think that the fdisk program calls "less" when trying to display the hex partition types with the "L" command |
| 13:31.28 | jelly | digitalboy, that's a bug then |
| 13:31.30 | greycat | Then don't type the "L" command. |
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| 13:32.46 | jelly | digitalboy, perhaps there's parted or gdisk or cfdisk available instead of fdisk. |
| 13:32.46 | greycat | The installer is a notoriously poor rescue medium. It's missing a lot of the commands that people would want to use during a rescue operation. |
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| 13:33.55 | jelly | digitalboy, are you going for MBR or GPT format? |
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| 13:34.16 | digitalboy | jelly: Understood :) |
| 13:34.20 | mertyildiran | How can I specify a configuration like "install all Depends automatically" in Debian control file? |
| 13:34.21 | jelly | gpt. So parted or gdisk. |
| 13:34.39 | digitalboy | greycat: Ok, maybe I should "prepare" the disk with another Linux flavour and then fire the Debian installer :) |
| 13:34.50 | digitalboy | jelly: GPT on UEFI system |
| 13:34.54 | jelly | mertyildiran, anything you list in Depends is always installed automatically. |
| 13:34.58 | greycat | Are you really unable to get the disk partitioned the way you want, using the Debian installer? |
| 13:34.59 | jelly | if needed |
| 13:35.08 | jelly | (if it's not installed already) |
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| 13:36.44 | mertyildiran | jelly: But it says "Package python-nltk is not installed." python-nltk listed in Depends: in control file. I'm installing the package with sudo dpkg -i mypackage.deb |
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| 13:37.23 | jelly | mertyildiran, that's dpkg's problem, not a problem in your package. Run "apt-get -f install" after that. |
| 13:37.28 | greycat | If you manually install with dpkg -i, try adding --force-depends and then doing apt-get -f install, afterward. |
| 13:37.41 | mertyildiran | jelly: it's not automatically installing. This is the control file (https://github.com/DragonComputer/Dragonfire/blob/master/debian/control). |
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| 13:37.54 | greycat | mertyildiran: dpkg -i does not bring in dependencies. apt-get does. |
| 13:38.06 | digitalboy | jelly: I'm currently using this install media "debian-9.0.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso" but neither gdisk and parted are present :( only fdisk |
| 13:38.10 | jelly | mertyildiran, show the complete commands and output of your "dpkg -i ....deb; apt-get -f install" |
| 13:38.14 | jelly | !paste |
| 13:38.14 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 13:38.31 | digitalboy | jelly: Maybe I can customize the install ISO and manually add gdisk and parted? |
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| 13:38.45 | digitalboy | Or other needed programs |
| 13:38.49 | greycat | People are god damned NUTS. |
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| 13:39.07 | mertyildiran | jelly: greycat hmm so there is no way to install force automatic install on dpkg. Thank you guys :) |
| 13:39.12 | cybrNaut | jelly: thanks.. btw, i did "update-initramfs -u" (assuming -u is appropriate) and I had to bind mount /boot since it's a separate partition |
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| 13:39.22 | cybrNaut | will try booting now.. brb |
| 13:39.26 | jelly | mertyildiran, dpkg is a low-level tool. It does not even know about repos. |
| 13:39.51 | jelly | digitalboy, or use a better livecd/liveusb. |
| 13:39.58 | jelly | grml.org is not bad. |
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| 13:40.10 | mertyildiran | jelly: greycat by the way "apt-get -y install" seems not working in preinst. What is the actual reason? |
| 13:40.13 | greycat | Or just use the built-in partitioning step of the installer. |
| 13:40.23 | digitalboy | jelly: Ok, I'll follow your advice, thank you for the help guys, have a nice day :) |
| 13:40.26 | mertyildiran | Is it prevented by some kind of mechanism? |
| 13:40.42 | jelly | mertyildiran, you can't use dpkg or apt inside installation scripts |
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| 13:40.58 | jelly | because at that point dpkg is already running |
| 13:41.15 | jelly | (and it keeps a lock file) |
| 13:41.20 | digitalboy | greycat: I would like to use it but it won't allow me to specify only the partition I want, it always creates that 1MB alignment partition |
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| 13:41.29 | greycat | .... |
| 13:41.32 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 13:41.39 | jelly | digitalboy, so let it create that, and delete it after installation? |
| 13:41.39 | mertyildiran | jelly: OK I understand now. That was reason of lock error, thank you so much! |
| 13:42.15 | digitalboy | jelly: Ok but then can I move "to the left" the other partitions? |
| 13:42.21 | jelly | digitalboy, no. |
| 13:42.25 | digitalboy | jelly: Eh.. |
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| 13:43.15 | jelly | digitalboy, this is intentional to keep compatibility space for boot loader right at the beginning if the disk. |
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| 13:43.54 | digitalboy | jelly: Yeah, petn-randall told me that :) |
| 13:44.08 | jelly | even if UEFI doesn't strictly need it, machine that has both MBR bios and UEFI wouldn't be able to boot off this disk in legacy MBR mode |
| 13:44.44 | jelly | having bcakward compat options is useful, you never know what might break to force you to use it |
| 13:45.18 | jelly | and if you need 1MiB extra space, maybe consider buying a larger disk |
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| 13:45.27 | digitalboy | jelly: Understood, in my case I have a "pure" UEFI machine so I prefer to partition the disk that way :) Thank you again for the help, I'm downloading grml right now :) |
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| 13:45.34 | digitalboy | jelly: Ahah :D |
| 13:45.59 | jelly | in short, making this work is way more trouble than it's worth |
| 13:46.35 | petn-randall | digitalboy: You've probably wasted more disk space with these IRC logs than you'll ever gain by shifting the disk alignment. |
| 13:47.12 | jelly | digitalboy, if you really care about using as much space as possible, boot off a usb stick or SD card and don't partition the disk _at all_, use the whole disk for LVM or a single filesystem |
| 13:47.17 | LordENKI | :) backup your irclogs to tape |
| 13:47.21 | digitalboy | petn-randall: that is surely true :D but the knowledge gained is worth it :) |
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| 13:47.39 | greycat | Iomega ZIP disks! |
| 13:47.47 | LordENKI | No those only have 100mb |
| 13:47.48 | jelly | click of death |
| 13:47.55 | LordENKI | Tape is still used |
| 13:47.56 | digitalboy | jelly: I don't care about disk space, I only like the possibility of customizing the system before and during the installation |
| 13:48.07 | LordENKI | For backup tape is perfect.... Who trusts the cloud? |
| 13:48.21 | LordENKI | And backing up to disks? How is this for reliability |
| 13:48.28 | jelly | tape is prohibitively expensive |
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| 13:48.51 | petn-randall | digitalboy: There are better ways to customize? It'll only cause more trouble in the long run. |
| 13:49.03 | jelly | LordENKI, sata disks are cheaper than LTO tape until about 100TB of data |
| 13:49.04 | LordENKI | but tape is soo expensive. New tech allows drive up to storage between 150-200tb iirc |
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| 13:49.49 | LordENKI | the 2tb lto4/6 go for $1500..$2000 |
| 13:49.49 | petn-randall | jelly: LTO really is cheaper at some point? |
| 13:49.51 | LordENKI | yet i want one |
| 13:49.58 | jelly | LordENKI, where |
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| 13:50.17 | LordENKI | jelly: netherlands. i can check for exact prices if you want , this is just an estimate |
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| 13:50.31 | theseb | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.32 | theseb | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.48 | jelly | I'll buy two LTO6 drives for $2k right now |
| 13:50.57 | greycat | Backup the Windows partition, then shrink it. |
| 13:51.22 | jelly | last time I looked, LTO5 was starting at $5000 |
| 13:51.23 | tremolo | theseb: Buy another hard drive, swap it in and install Linux. |
| 13:51.36 | LordENKI | jelly: you're absolutely right. disks are m ultra cheap for large dumps and backups |
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| 13:51.57 | LordENKI | jelly: but rotating disks looks a bit silly to me personally :) |
| 13:52.04 | theseb | hmmm...shrinking Windows partitition sounds dangerous no? |
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| 13:52.20 | theseb | i could buy a 2nd drive but this one is a nice SSD..guess i should suck it up |
| 13:52.25 | greycat | theseb: I've done it many times (albeit not recently on a laptop) |
| 13:52.26 | LordENKI | I actually have storage containers for 3.5" and 2.5 " disks , plastic storage containers for that purpose |
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| 13:53.00 | tremolo | Could also put Linux in a VM on Windows, depending on use case. |
| 13:53.07 | theseb | greycat: not only much you shrink the partition but then you need to pray you can switch to grub w/o b0rking the Windows no? |
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| 13:53.55 | LordENKI | yet i have almost no storage , nothing here beyond a default install. wise tactics .. It's just the geeky thing of wanting to have a LTO6 streamer and wanting to have a 20tb raid NAS |
| 13:54.26 | LordENKI | back to debtalk |
| 13:54.35 | jelly | petn-randall, yes, -> #debian-offtopic |
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| 13:55.30 | cybrNaut | jelly: you fixed the problem.. thanks. wish I could tell you where to send the invoice, but I live in mom's basement |
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| 13:57.33 | cybrNaut | i did have to do 2 iterations of "update-initramfs -u", once in chroot and once after a real boot |
| 13:57.41 | jelly | cybrNaut, help provided here in the public channel is free, thanks anyway |
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| 13:58.04 | jelly | yeah, that's the safest thing to do |
| 13:58.24 | LordENKI | there's always bitcoins....... till the big 1th August dipslide |
| 13:58.34 | jelly | cybrNaut, if you didn't have a livecd to boot off, you'd have to /msg dpkg initramfs debug |
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| 14:04.42 | nvz | I just added a line in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh on stretch with systemd, can I expect this to be run on boot and not be reverted or ignored? |
| 14:05.08 | jelly | !tias |
| 14:05.08 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 14:05.32 | nvz | fair enough.. /me does an init 6 |
| 14:05.36 | BluesKaj | Hi all |
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| 14:09.54 | nvz | well the answer is, it ignored bootmisc.sh which previously was ran at the end of the boot sequence in other versions of debian |
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| 14:10.52 | petn-randall | nvz: Guess you know the answer now. |
| 14:11.58 | nvz | I certainly do |
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| 14:14.43 | nvz | so how do I make a new "unit" is this just create a script /etc/init.d/myscript and systemctl myscript enable ? |
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| 14:19.16 | jelly | nvz, if you're doing a sysvinit script, it absolutely needs to have the lsb header stuff to work with systemd |
| 14:20.16 | jelly | before doing enable, you also need a "systemctl daemon-reload" so it rereads any changes (or a reboot) |
| 14:20.18 | nvz | jelly: yes I am familiar with the header |
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| 14:22.01 | nvz | jelly: so this deamon-reload just reads all the scripts in /etc/init.d/ ? because I noticed it doesnt take arguments |
| 14:24.00 | jelly | it rereads every piece of systemd config it can find |
| 14:24.23 | jelly | that includes unit generators for sysv init scripts |
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| 14:33.04 | nvz | so the main system stuff is in /lib/systemd/system/ and user stuff in /usr/lib/systemd/user/ then? so the fact that I just accidentally pressed the wrong key and overwrote /etc/init.d/ssh I was using to make a header template to save typing the whole header, doesn't matter anymore, I can just delete that right? Because the packages are all using these new files not the old sysvinit files? |
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| 14:34.03 | nvz | I gather this because when I did apt-get --reinstall install openssh-server it didn't replace the file |
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| 14:36.22 | DebianUser89457 | jelly: I installed the cifs utils but seems that i can't do the job :\ |
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| 14:37.59 | petn-randall | nvz: If you delete config files, dpkg will remember that and *not* create them again on reinstallation. |
| 14:38.13 | greycat | !confmiss |
| 14:38.13 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 14:39.12 | petn-randall | That's the factoid I just looked up, heh :) |
| 14:39.49 | petn-randall | nvz: custom unit files go to /etc/systemd/system/ and override any default ones provided. |
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| 14:40.06 | nvz | yes I didn't delete it I modified it, much like I've modified my sshd_config. It asked about sshd_config and I told it to leave it alone because I've disabled passwords and pam and root logins but it didnt ask at all about /etc/init.d/ssh so I figured it was just a remanent from jessie |
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| 14:41.13 | nvz | basically I'm asking if I even need an /etc/init.d/ssh file anymore or if I can just delete it since I mucked it up |
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| 14:41.57 | nvz | it seems to me like this systemd has these unit files and the /etc/init.d scripts arent necessary |
| 14:42.29 | Ke | it's not always the case strictly |
| 14:43.05 | Ke | in general yes, /etc/init.d is nothing special to systemd, but unit files can use init scripts |
| 14:43.32 | nvz | well the way I understand things is that if I modified a file that the package installs it should have asked me, so the fact that it didn't suggested to me that openssh-server no longer needs that file and the only reason I had one was because I upgraded from jessie |
| 14:43.57 | greycat | That's not quite right. In the *absence* of a unit file, systemd will use /etc/init.d/* scripts as poor substitutes. |
| 14:44.02 | greycat | Like with apache2 on jessie. |
| 14:44.14 | Ke | if you have well-maintained system, you can run aptitude purge ~c |
| 14:44.26 | Ke | which may remove some of the cruft problems |
| 14:44.44 | greycat | arc3:~# systemctl status apache2 |
| 14:44.44 | greycat | â apache2.service - LSB: Apache2 web server |
| 14:44.44 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.49 | teraflops | nvz: why deleting it? the file uses 4K of space⦠|
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| 14:45.29 | teraflops | greycat: stretch ships a proper systemd unit file for apache |
| 14:45.31 | petn-randall | nvz: Just because it didn't ask to overwrite that file on reinstallation doesn't mean it's not used. I think you have a misconception of how conffiles are supposed to work. |
| 14:45.36 | nvz | teraflops: yes well in this case I'm trying out my training wheels by just trying to run some commands at boot using an old sysv init script with systemd, and in the process I fudged up /etc/init.d/ssh by pressing save instead of save as after I yanked out everything but the header portion |
| 14:45.52 | greycat | Yeah, but that was a jessie system up there. Showing that systemd will directly use /etc/init.d/apache2 in the absence of a proper unti file. |
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| 14:46.10 | teraflops | greycat: yeah, I agree |
| 14:46.42 | nvz | so the script is at best case now useless, and at worst case going to break ssh |
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| 14:47.47 | teraflops | nvz: I dont think so, but I woudnt bother myself for a 4k plaintext file |
| 14:48.11 | teraflops | wouldn't^ |
| 14:48.13 | nvz | I'm not at all concerned about the f'n size of the file, I hosed it.. its no longer what it was |
| 14:48.17 | nvz | heh |
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| 14:48.22 | teraflops | yeah :P |
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| 14:48.52 | nvz | I just am concerned leaving it there when its screwed up will break something |
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| 14:49.09 | hicks__ | pull a copy back from a backup or uninstall, reinstall ssh to get it back to normal? |
| 14:49.19 | teraflops | iirc by default debian uses the socket unit |
| 14:49.30 | mertyildiran | How can I add a system tray icon to my Debian package? |
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| 14:50.15 | nvz | hicks__: yes as I just discussed that didn't do anything but warn me that the file was not LSB compliant |
| 14:50.16 | teraflops | hmm, maybe creating a proper .desktop file? |
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| 14:50.27 | mertyildiran | For example .desktop file adding an icon to programs. Just like that how can I add a system tray icon? |
| 14:50.40 | hicks__ | nvz: did you try a purge uninstall? |
| 14:50.44 | teraflops | mertyildiran: yeah .desktop file |
| 14:51.11 | nvz | hicks__: I dont want to purge, I want to keep my sshd_config |
| 14:51.11 | mertyildiran | teraflops: what's the configuration for system tray icon? |
| 14:51.11 | hicks__ | make a copy first |
| 14:51.11 | teraflops | mertyildiran: just define the icon |
| 14:51.11 | hicks__ | purge, reinstall, copy back |
| 14:51.14 | mertyildiran | teraflops: I couldn't find a guide/tutorial |
| 14:51.21 | hicks__ | or dig out a copy of the ssh file from another debian install maybe? |
| 14:51.24 | teraflops | mertyildiran: the path that's it |
| 14:52.16 | teraflops | mertyildiran: take a look at /usr/share/applications |
| 14:52.16 | mertyildiran | teraflops: I already did (https://github.com/DragonComputer/Dragonfire/blob/master/debian/dragonfire.desktop), it's adding an icon to programs. |
| 14:52.16 | nvz | hicks__: the whole point here everyone seems to have missed is I've been asking if I even need the damn file. I know how to do all the stuff you just suggested |
| 14:52.35 | hicks__ | I have no idea if you need it, but if it's that easy to restore, seems no need to worry about whether it's needed or not |
| 14:52.43 | mertyildiran | teraflops: I'm talking about "system tray icons" (imagine the bottom left icons in Windows) |
| 14:52.45 | teraflops | mertyildiran: Icon= |
| 14:52.50 | hicks__ | I would guess that file provides defaults for sshing out? |
| 14:52.56 | hicks__ | as a client? |
| 14:53.18 | teraflops | mertyildiran: yeah it does not matter |
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| 14:53.18 | teraflops | is uses same icon |
| 14:53.18 | hicks__ | oh nm init.d |
| 14:53.22 | nvz | hicks__: if it were that easy to restore it should have said the same thing it said when it detected my sshd_config was changed is my point |
| 14:53.28 | mertyildiran | teraflops: when my application is opened, I can't see an icon in system tray. |
| 14:54.07 | teraflops | nvz: I dont think --purge delete files at ~/ |
| 14:54.07 | greycat | teraflops: correct, it will not |
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| 14:54.07 | nvz | teraflops: sshd_config is in /etc/ |
| 14:54.07 | hicks__ | it's not in ~/ it's in /etc/init.d |
| 14:54.07 | teraflops | mertyildiran: set Icon= inside the desktop file? |
| 14:55.24 | mertyildiran | teraflops: it's not about just adding Icon=. There is more... |
| 14:55.25 | hicks__ | but a plain reinstall may not touch a modified file ? so you'd have to move it out the way or purge uninstall first as a guess |
| 14:55.25 | mertyildiran | teraflops: there is already look -> https://github.com/DragonComputer/Dragonfire/blob/master/debian/dragonfire.desktop#L12 |
| 14:55.25 | hicks__ | if you want to leave it alone assuming it's not needed, then I can't offer much advice on that, no idea if it is or not |
| 14:55.25 | teraflops | nvz: yeah, sure |
| 14:55.25 | hicks__ | but if it were me, I'd try the purge/reinstall or pull a copy from another install or backu |
| 14:55.25 | hicks__ | p |
| 14:55.32 | teraflops | mertyildiran: set the full path or put the icon in the right place I think |
| 14:55.40 | nvz | the consensus seems to be nobody knows so I'll just figure it out :P |
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| 14:56.51 | teraflops | mertyildiran: also maybe you need to update icon cache |
| 14:57.00 | teraflops | idk tbh, but things like gtk-update-icon-cache do exists |
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| 15:00.41 | mertyildiran | teraflops: OK it turns out it's completely Python related task (https://stackoverflow.com/a/6389727/2104879). I thought it's about Debian packaging but I was wrong. |
| 15:01.45 | nvz | fwiw the --purge and reinstall did put the /etc/init.d/ssh back but a reinstall did not prompt to overwrite when it was modified |
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| 15:03.23 | nvz | afaik it should have done so |
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| 15:06.20 | jelly | nvz, you may want to read /msg dpkg confnew and /msg dpkg confmiss and related stuffs if you want to avoid purging next time |
| 15:07.12 | jhutchins_wk | nvz: purge should remove old config files, so there's no overwrite when installing new defaults. |
| 15:07.20 | teraflops | mertyildiran: well you have a clue now :) |
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| 15:38.18 | savumies | Should I be aware of some specific details before upgrading a debian server from jessie to stretch? |
| 15:38.42 | greycat | I've generally tried to consolidate everything I know on https://wiki.debian.org/NewInStretch |
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| 15:40.10 | greycat | Most servers will probably go smoothly. The main issues we see tend to be on desktops/laptops. |
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| 15:42.19 | savumies | ok. Thank you |
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| 15:44.47 | MarkL | Hi guys, I use Jessie debian, do you know until when it is supported by debian bacause is an old stable version? Another question is: I use Debian on a laptop of 10 years ago more or less but still very good, do you think there is really worth to switch to the new stable debian version? I use it for mainly browse internet, and few other basic things. thanks |
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| 15:44.55 | greycat | Full support for one year after stretch's release, so 11 more months of that. LTS support after that. |
| 15:44.58 | petn-randall | !jessie lts |
| 15:45.05 | neilthereildeil | hey guys. chrome is not working for me on Debian |
| 15:45.26 | neilthereildeil | every page says aww snap. something went wrong |
| 15:45.28 | petn-randall | huh, don't have that factoid yet. |
| 15:45.37 | mxh- | neilthereildeil: you got internet connection i assume? |
| 15:45.43 | mxh- | neilthereildeil: ping google.com works |
| 15:45.43 | neilthereildeil | no, firefox works |
| 15:45.46 | mxh- | ok |
| 15:45.52 | neilthereildeil | im on IRC from the same machine |
| 15:45.56 | MarkL | greycat, thanks |
| 15:46.23 | petn-randall | MarkL: What greycat said. It might be that jessie LTS won't support browsers though, so you might be forced to upgrade at this point. |
| 15:46.23 | neilthereildeil | i just ran apt-get upgrade chromium |
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| 15:46.26 | neilthereildeil | but i still get this error |
| 15:46.29 | neilthereildeil | i think its a bug? |
| 15:46.30 | petn-randall | neilthereildeil: chrome or chromium? It's not the same. |
| 15:46.33 | neilthereildeil | has anyone else seen this? |
| 15:46.34 | greycat | that's not a valid command. "upgrade" doesn't take pkg name arguments. |
| 15:46.36 | neilthereildeil | oh? |
| 15:46.44 | tremolo | proxy settings? Don't suppose it says what went wrong? |
| 15:46.46 | humbobo | kneelthere |
| 15:47.21 | neilthereildeil | petn-randall: whats the difference? isnt it to google browser? |
| 15:47.22 | mxh- | neilthereildeil: if nothing else, empty cache and delete cookies/plugin data |
| 15:47.22 | mxh- | petn-randall: last step disable all plugins |
| 15:47.22 | greycat | Chromium is an open-source browser based on Google-chrome, which is closed source. |
| 15:47.28 | MarkL | petn-randall, are you talking of the browser support after 11 months from now? or maybe is now jet outdated? |
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| 16:04.34 | th0r | petn-randall: like I said...I didn't bring it up to start a debate. I run debian not to get the bleeding edge stuff, but because I don't want to keep working at getting updates to run. I will stick with jessie...lts is fine with me. (I know...the next release of the software is going to solve ALL the world's problems) |
| 16:04.39 | greycat | https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/index.html |
| 16:05.00 | mxh- | z8z: while i have not tried, this seems very straightforward https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-vnc-server-on-debian-8 |
| 16:05.14 | neilthereildeil | i dontloaded the chrom deb from google website, but im getting dep install errors |
| 16:05.19 | greycat | Once you install the google-chrome .deb file, it adds a new apt source (in sources.list.d) so you can keep it updated. |
| 16:05.40 | mxh- | z8z: it's "make startup script, make service of that, enable that service" |
| 16:05.40 | neilthereildeil | google-chrome-stable depends on libc6 (>= 2.15); however: Version of libc6:amd64 on system is 2.13-38+deb7u12 |
| 16:05.40 | greycat | If it's just dependencies, use apt-get -f install |
| 16:06.02 | greycat | neilthereildeil: you're on wheezy? |
| 16:06.23 | neilthereildeil | 7.11 |
| 16:06.28 | neilthereildeil | im gonna upgrade soon |
| 16:06.30 | greycat | I ... kinda doubt google-chrome is interested in supporting wheezy (oldoldstable). |
| 16:06.57 | petn-randall | ,v libc6 |
| 16:06.57 | judd | Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u9; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch: 2.24-11; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; buster: 2.24-12; sid: 2.24-12 |
| 16:06.57 | z8z | mxh-: ok will try thanks... hope i don't need to spend 1 day hacking down operating system just to set up a remote desktop :D |
| 16:07.04 | petn-randall | neilthereildeil: I'm not even sure your desktop still gets security support. |
| 16:07.19 | neilthereildeil | yea i do |
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| 16:07.19 | neilthereildeil | just installed them |
| 16:07.24 | neilthereildeil | how would i install thesde deps? |
| 16:07.34 | neilthereildeil | still apt-get -f install? |
| 16:07.35 | greycat | neilthereildeil: you do't. |
| 16:08.05 | petn-randall | neilthereildeil: If Google doesn't provide packages for wheezy, you're stuck and need to upgrade. |
| 16:08.05 | greycat | If it wants a newer libc6, that means you upgrade the OS or you forget it. |
| 16:08.05 | neilthereildeil | ah ok |
| 16:08.46 | mxh- | z8z: nah making systemd service seems daunting but it's really not |
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| 16:12.58 | warai_otoko | Hello! |
| 16:13.10 | DebianUser89457 | hello |
| 16:13.20 | DebianUser89457 | just a question |
| 16:13.20 | DebianUser89457 | is NFS reliable ? |
| 16:13.22 | DebianUser89457 | i mean instead of use sshfs in a lan fashion |
| 16:13.32 | DebianUser89457 | i have to move 8 TB of data |
| 16:13.37 | warai_otoko | I tried hard to get openVPN and Mullvad to run on Debian 8.8 with LXDE |
| 16:13.38 | DebianUser89457 | use sshfs caps me to 20MB/s |
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| 16:14.30 | warai_otoko | I see wifi icon with a keylock |
| 16:14.30 | warai_otoko | openVPN is running too |
| 16:14.40 | warai_otoko | but I can't use Internet, browsers and ping don't work |
| 16:15.29 | warai_otoko | what am I missing?? |
| 16:15.29 | warai_otoko | also, I got 2 tun interfaces, tun0 and tun1. Why? |
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| 16:16.38 | th0r | warai_otoko: I have seen two tun interfaces once in a while. It happens when I invoke openvpn, but forgot that I already had it running. |
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| 16:18.01 | warai_otoko | @th0r: I installed/uninstalled openvpn several times. Both tun seem standard here. I don't get it |
| 16:18.40 | warai_otoko | also, is there a standard firewall which needs to be configured for openVPN? if so, how? |
| 16:18.55 | th0r | warai_otoko: you don't have to uninstall it. just 'sudo killall openvpn' and they should both go away. and firewall is a separate thing from vpn |
| 16:20.11 | th0r | warai_otoko: how are you starting the vpn? You might have inadvertently called the script twice, or invoked from two different scripts. |
| 16:20.11 | warai_otoko | @th0r: well, it's running, all green |
| 16:20.11 | warai_otoko | why kill it? |
| 16:20.11 | th0r | warai_otoko: I thought you said it wasn't working, and you have two tun's. If that is what you want....no problem |
| 16:20.34 | warai_otoko | how can I debug this thing? Console and NetworkManager show all is good and running which just isn't the case |
| 16:22.12 | warai_otoko | I don't need tun1 |
| 16:22.12 | warai_otoko | that's what I meant |
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| 16:22.12 | teraflops | warai_otoko: the lxde and mullvad bits are not clear |
| 16:22.12 | petn-randall | warai_otoko: "it's running, all green". Define "it". |
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| 16:22.13 | warai_otoko | systemctl list-units | grep vpn |
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| 16:22.13 | warai_otoko | loaded active running |
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| 16:22.26 | teraflops | warai_otoko: standard way of debugging vpn this should be pinging the gateway by ip |
| 16:22.28 | warai_otoko | that's the status here, looks good to me... |
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| 16:23.30 | warai_otoko | systemctl status openvpn: all green (active, exited) |
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| 16:24.24 | teraflops | warai_otoko: try harder... |
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| 16:25.11 | warai_otoko | @th0r: ? |
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| 16:30.42 | warai_otoko | @teraflops: thank you, this is very kind |
| 16:30.42 | th0r | warai_otoko: it isn't necessarily a good idea to try starting the vpn at boot. Bring up the network and then start the vpn, either via network manager or a script. I use scripts, had problems getting network mangler to do openvpn |
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| 18:24.07 | zuiss1 | is anyone here running firefox release on stretch? |
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| 18:24.52 | greycat | !anyone |
| 18:24.52 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 18:24.52 | zuiss1 | mozilla.debian.net doesn't have a release version for debian stable and i want to check before downloading directly from mozilla |
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| 18:27.55 | hanasaki | booting a debian live usb stick . the screen , before grub, is black with a solid underscore cursor in the top left. what causes this and what is the fix? |
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| 18:29.17 | pclover | what that channel limit about? |
| 18:29.17 | pclover | the only channel i see i set on |
| 18:29.21 | pclover | it |
| 18:29.47 | greycat | Thin protection against join floods. |
| 18:29.48 | pclover | ah |
