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| 00:27.48 | jim | gftg, be nice to server bandwidth... I don't think there's much going on now, but if there was, nick change to mark yourself away for 1 minute is probably wasteful |
| 00:28.22 | gftg | indeed |
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| 00:29.06 | gftg | I switched machines... I guess I'll just disable the nick change for when I disconnect. |
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| 01:46.33 | _rubik | So I just did a fresh x64 install of Deb 9, and now I can't seem to get root access. My default user is not in sudo file, su gives me an authentication failure, and I can't log into root? What next? |
| 01:47.46 | leibniz | nnn: |
| 01:48.03 | spikeyball | _rubik, funny you mention that. i had the same issue with my vm debian |
| 01:48.25 | spikeyball | though it was me and i forgot my root password, did a reinstall, and still the same thing |
| 01:48.36 | _rubik | I tried reinstalling a second time, thinking that I missed something in the install. But no |
| 01:48.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | _rubik, can you log in as root directly? |
| 01:48.54 | _rubik | Eduard_Munteanu: from login? No |
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| 01:49.17 | _rubik | For more background info. I went with the deb 9 x64 gnome iso |
| 01:50.05 | spikeyball | same here |
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| 01:50.32 | spikeyball | this is why i always play with a vm prior to an actual install |
| 01:50.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | _rubik, you could boot up in a rescue environment, mount, chroot and see if your user is in the sudo/wheel group. |
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| 01:51.47 | _rubik | Eduard_Munteanu: It is not in the sudo / wheel group. I feel like this should be able to do without rescue... I mean deb 9 is stable now. |
| 01:52.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | _rubik, did you set up a root password? |
| 01:52.21 | _rubik | Yes. I viewed in clear text to verify too. |
| 01:53.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | _rubik, it would be really strange if you could not login directly as root with the root password. I hope you're not confusing the root and user passwords. |
| 01:54.02 | _rubik | I am not confusing them. |
| 01:54.24 | spikeyball | Eduard, I am having the same issue, as well |
| 01:54.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | spikeyball, and you can't login with root directly either? |
| 01:54.47 | spikeyball | correct |
| 01:54.54 | spikeyball | i just setup a fresh vm of it, too |
| 01:56.27 | spikeyball | can't login as root or use su |
| 01:56.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | Seems to have been reported: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=866206 |
| 01:56.52 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/866206 in cdimage.debian.org (open, d-i): «cdimage.debian.org: Setting root password in d-i on live image doesn't seem to work»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-06-28; last modified: 2017-07-07. |
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| 01:57.24 | spikeyball | crazy |
| 01:57.24 | _rubik | Mind is not a live image though. |
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| 01:57.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | I would check if a newer image has since been released. |
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| 01:58.39 | _rubik | Yeah. Im also not getting the gnome iso either. I knew that was a bad call *grumble* |
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| 02:00.42 | spikeyball | for once, it's not user error |
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| 02:01.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | _rubik, spikeyball, it's easy to work around though, you just need to reset the root password with a boot disk or editing the GRUB command line |
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| 02:04.34 | _rubik | Eduard_Munteanu: remind me again the directory I need to mount? It has been a while since I've done this. |
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| 02:05.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | _rubik, mount the root partition somewhere, then chroot to it and call passwd |
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| 02:06.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | _rubik, alternatively, you can edit the GRUB entry and add init=/bin/bash at the end of the kernel command line, that'll drop you to a shell and you can call passwd |
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| 02:07.31 | _rubik | Well that just happned. |
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| 02:08.20 | uxfi | eh? |
| 02:08.24 | electricfuneral | just ignore it |
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| 02:08.49 | insecurity | Neat |
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| 02:09.31 | BenderRodriguez | lol |
| 02:09.35 | BenderRodriguez | why tho |
| 02:09.38 | BenderRodriguez | what's the end goal |
| 02:09.40 | BenderRodriguez | with these bots |
| 02:10.22 | _rubik | To beg for his ... HEY LOOK chroot worked |
| 02:10.26 | electricfuneral | so that people talk about it at length after it's done and over. -_- |
| 02:10.26 | electricfuneral | just don't give them attention |
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| 02:14.00 | _rubik | Eduard_Munteanu: So I just mounted /dev/sda2, chroot, and added my user to visudo. |
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| 02:14.26 | Eduard_Munteanu | _rubik, you don't need to visudo, there's a group there alreadyy |
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| 02:15.01 | _rubik | Eduard_Munteanu: Actually there was not |
| 02:15.11 | jusss | how I can install openvpn v2.4+ on debian? |
| 02:15.15 | _rubik | Either way, I now have sudo privs, so I can change things around should I need to. |
| 02:15.19 | jusss | it's v2.3 on the repo |
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| 02:16.18 | BenderRodriguez | compile from source or add a newer repository to apt |
| 02:16.34 | BenderRodriguez | if they provide it and you trust it |
| 02:17.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | jusss, Debian 9 (Stretch) has OpenVPN 2.4 |
| 02:17.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | jusss, it's also available in jessie-backports |
| 02:18.21 | jmcnaught | jusss: are you trying to get a newer openvpn because of a security issue, or for a new feature? |
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| 02:19.00 | jusss | jmcnaught: new feature, tls-crypt |
| 02:19.22 | jmcnaught | ,checkbackport openvpn |
| 02:19.23 | judd | Backporting package openvpn in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, archignore. |
| 02:19.50 | jmcnaught | jusss: "/msg dpkg ssb" for instructions on how to backport a package from unstable to stable |
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| 02:20.29 | Eduard_Munteanu | There's already a backported package, unless you want 2.4.3 instead of just 2.4.0. |
| 02:21.10 | jusss | how I update it? |
| 02:21.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | ,backports |
| 02:21.46 | Eduard_Munteanu | dpkg, backports |
| 02:21.46 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 02:22.13 | jmcnaught | oh i see i got my versions confused. you could also upgrade to stretch |
| 02:22.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 02:23.33 | jusss | deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main contrib non-free ? |
| 02:24.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | Yeah, that should do. |
| 02:24.21 | jusss | thanks |
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| 02:25.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | Then after apt-get update, install with apt-get install -t jessie-backports openvpn |
| 02:27.57 | jusss | ok |
| 02:28.10 | _rubik | Eduard_Munteanu: and now for my favorite task... nvidia drivers |
| 02:28.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | _rubik, I would try nouveau first |
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| 03:18.17 | _rubik | Eduard_Munteanu: Finally shifted over to the new install. Thanks for the help |
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| 03:35.09 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. Will Stretch fit on a rw CD-rom or do I need a rw DVD-rom for it? |
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| 03:35.41 | bazhang | the fullest install? |
| 03:35.48 | bazhang | why not net install |
| 03:35.49 | Hoolootwo | the netinstall will probably fit on a cd |
| 03:36.00 | Hoolootwo | well, it will |
| 03:36.13 | bazhang | does your machine not usb boot? |
| 03:36.13 | Lady_Aleena | The computer has an internet connection, so I think the netinstall would be okay. |
| 03:36.37 | Lady_Aleena | I don't have a spare USB drive. |
| 03:37.39 | bazhang | usb stick, in case that was not clear |
| 03:37.43 | bazhang | not a hdd |
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| 03:38.08 | Lady_Aleena | USB drive/stick is the same thing to me. |
| 03:38.16 | bazhang | heh |
| 03:38.28 | bazhang | I have some 500gb usb hdd |
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| 03:38.41 | bazhang | and the largest stick is 128 |
| 03:38.45 | Lady_Aleena | I wish I could afford that. |
| 03:38.53 | bazhang | super cheapo |
| 03:39.02 | Lady_Aleena | How cheap? |
| 03:39.09 | bazhang | usb stick at 64gb is $25 |
| 03:39.17 | Lady_Aleena | I meant the drive. |
| 03:39.36 | bazhang | less than a hundred |
| 03:40.48 | Lady_Aleena | I wish I could just click install on a web page and install Debian onto a computer without having to make a disk for it. But I won't be dual booting the computer where I am going to install it. |
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| 03:43.04 | Lady_Aleena | Hopefully YouTube videos will play on that computer with Debian Stretch. Avast antivirus just updated on that Windows XP computer and now videos won't play at all. So I am going to try Debian on it. |
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| 03:45.36 | Lady_Aleena | Now to figure out what image to download. |
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| 03:49.00 | Lady_Aleena | head desks. |
| 03:49.16 | Lady_Aleena | I don't know it the computer is amd64 or i386. |
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| 03:53.28 | Lady_Aleena | Does anyone here know how to use K3b to make an install disk for Debian? I haven't used it for that yet, so don't know what I'm doing. |
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| 03:58.14 | monksam | Lady_Aleena: https://www.ghacks.net/2009/01/11/burn-cd-and-dvd-iso-images-with-k3b/ check this out. |
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| 04:00.00 | Lady_Aleena | Thanks monksam. |
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| 04:30.13 | password2 | oh boy , I'll never get used to how fast an ssd installs with packages |
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| 04:36.01 | password2 | like 10 seconds for 90 packages |
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| 05:50.45 | rk[ghost] | this is a general question, but i thought i would ask here anyway: any way to increase the font size of xterm post spawning the process? |
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| 05:55.28 | somiaj | rk[ghost]: shift right click should bring up a menu |
| 05:55.39 | somiaj | sorry ctrl-right click |
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| 05:55.59 | somiaj | ctrl- right/middle/left click brings up different menus in xterm |
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| 06:08.10 | rk[ghost] | somiaj: ah, i always forget about clicking (no mouse.. =P) |
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| 06:11.08 | z8z | After debian 9 install all kate session profiles are gone... how did they change the config files paths? |
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| 06:12.31 | rk[ghost] | OK, got it working, but because i have to do it all mangly, it causes a bunch of junk to be outputted to my screen. need to figure out how to do this programatiicaly =P |
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| 06:32.15 | trulu | jn |
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| 06:41.32 | trulu | greetings friends and fruits |
| 06:42.14 | trulu | Yesterday someone suggest me to do my debootstrap on Debian VM instead of Ubuntu because I was getting errors |
| 06:42.30 | trulu | Today I tried again on Debian and I still get the same errors |
| 06:42.33 | trulu | I: Unpacking ucf... I: Unpacking usbutils... I: Unpacking vim-common... I: Unpacking vim-tiny... I: Unpacking xxd... I: Unpacking wget... I: Unpacking libxapian30:arm64... W: Failure while installing base packages. This will be re-attempted up to five times. W: See //debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details (possibly the package /var/cache/apt/archives/init_1.48_arm64.deb is at fault) W: Failure while installing base packages. This wi |
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| 06:44.13 | trulu | The project is on https://github.com/gdeverlant/os-rootfs/tree/stretch |
| 06:44.50 | trulu | When I try the jessie version of the same project it goes through |
| 06:45.33 | trulu | Running Windows with VirtualBox and Debian Stretch VM |
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| 06:49.04 | trulu | any thoughts on this issue ? |
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| 07:18.08 | HBb_ | hi, i have a problem when apt install a "pkg". it download and install but clean /var/cache/apt/archives/{"pkg","deps"} |
| 07:18.39 | HBb_ | APT::Clean-Installed "off"; don't fix this |
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| 07:24.21 | solrize | can i update from wheezy to stretch by dist-upgrade, or do i have to go through jessie first? |
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| 07:25.06 | pclover | I have a question a package that existed in debian 8 appears to be removed in debian 9 is there any way i find out why? |
| 07:25.09 | towo^work | i don't think wheezy => stretch would work |
| 07:25.11 | pclover | In this case it's mingw32 |
| 07:25.14 | solrize | k |
| 07:25.14 | somiaj | upgrade scripts are designed to only go one release at a time, same with transition packages. You will want to go through jessie |
| 07:25.15 | solrize | thanks |
| 07:25.19 | somiaj | solrize: ^^ |
| 07:25.27 | somiaj | pclover: what is the package name? |
| 07:25.30 | solrize | yeah saw. backing off to jessie |
| 07:25.31 | solrize | thanks |
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| 07:25.40 | pclover | somiaj, mingw32 |
| 07:27.22 | somiaj | pclover: it wasn't removed, http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/g/gcc-mingw-w64/unstable_changelog |
| 07:27.37 | somiaj | pclover: mingw32 was just a transition package in jessie, so figure out what it transitioned too |
| 07:27.52 | pclover | hum |
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| 07:28.13 | shtrb | Is there a fast way to know if the upstream patch for #867379 was applied to the current version in debian ? |
| 07:28.14 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/867379 in systemd (forwarded): «Systemd fails to serialize tasks correctly on daemon-reload»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-07-06; last modified: 2017-07-07. |
| 07:28.21 | somiaj | in jessie itwas just a transition package, so install what it now depends on https://packages.debian.org/jessie/mingw32 |
| 07:28.33 | somiaj | seems like mingw32-binutils and other stuff |
| 07:28.47 | somiaj | shtrb: it would be in the changelog |
| 07:28.53 | shtrb | thanks |
| 07:29.04 | pclover | which is also not found |
| 07:29.08 | pclover | form apt-cache at least |
| 07:29.17 | pclover | looking hum |
| 07:29.43 | somiaj | sorry that is a transtiion package too, gcc-mingw-w64-i686 and g++-mingw-w64-i686 might be the packages you need. |
| 07:29.50 | somiaj | just do a search for mingw, you'll see lots of packages |
| 07:30.27 | pclover | yeah what i am looking for is i586-mingw32msvc-gcc which that package provided |
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| 07:49.01 | pclover | somiaj, i've installed like every mingw package possible and still don't have what i need any ideas? |
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| 07:50.45 | somiaj | pclover: I don't know mingw so unsure what it is you are doing or need. But the packages were transition packages in jessie as the debian changed how it packaged that software |
| 07:51.07 | pclover | hum yeah reading that now |
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| 07:59.12 | pclover | tho i do see Drop mingw32 transitional package in the changelog |
| 07:59.13 | pclover | so hum |
| 08:00.04 | trulu | greetings can someone tell me how to fix these huge logs in debian |
| 08:00.05 | trulu | Sent message type=method_call sender=n/a destination=org.freedesktop.systemd1 object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/unit/docker_2eservice interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties member=Get cookie=4 reply_cookie=0 error=n/a Sent message type=method_call sender=n/a destination=org.freedesktop.systemd1 object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/unit/docker_2eservice interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties member=Get cookie=5 reply_cookie=0 error=n/a |
| 08:00.31 | joschakn | Hey, i want to install the i3wm on a freshly installed debian 9 (stretch) System. I need at least i3 4.8. Can anyone tell me why the jessie-repo(oldstable) repo contains Version 4.8 and the stretch and buster repos sontain the old Version 4.13-1? |
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| 08:01.46 | trulu | any idea ??????? |
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| 08:02.12 | shtrb | trulu , debugging enabled ? |
| 08:02.21 | trulu | how do I know that |
| 08:02.24 | shtrb | *did you enable dbus debugging |
| 08:02.28 | trulu | I just updated the kernel and then |
| 08:02.35 | trulu | this showed up |
| 08:03.02 | trulu | How can I disable debugging ? |
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| 08:03.26 | trulu | shtrb: ???? |
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| 08:04.01 | shtrb | trulu , If you didn't enable it explicitly it is not what I thought , maybe debug-shell is active ? |
| 08:04.09 | shtrb | systemctl status debug-shell |
| 08:04.27 | shtrb | sorry wrong thing |
| 08:04.45 | trulu | shtrb: Showing one /org/freedesktop/systemd1/unit/debug_2dshell_2eservice Sent message type=method_call sender=n/a destination=org.freedesktop.systemd1 object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/unit/debug_2dshell_2eservice interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties member=GetAll cookie=1 reply_cookie=0 error=n/a ConditionPathExists 0 0 /dev/tty9 0 â debug-shell.service - Early root shell on /dev/tty9 FOR DEBUGGING ONLY Loaded: loaded (/lib/ |
| 08:05.09 | shtrb | Ignore , that is the wrong thing (it was a brain fart) |
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| 08:05.39 | trulu | shtrb: Lol brain fart you made my day |
| 08:06.14 | trulu | shtrb: First time I read that and it is super funny |
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| 08:10.18 | shtrb | tulu , did you setup SYSTEMD_LOG_LEVEL in the environment ? |
| 08:10.42 | shtrb | or kenrel have systemd.log_level=debug ? |
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| 08:15.05 | shtrb | *trulu ? |
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| 08:25.00 | Silmaril | joschakn: how come you think that 13 is older than 8 ? |
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| 08:28.17 | joschakn | allready got it. Somehow was really confused.. Now it all makes sence ;) |
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| 08:34.31 | solrize | is there a way to apt-get install a specific package along with all the recommended and suggested packages for it? |
| 08:34.39 | solrize | or even to find out what they are again, after the initial install? |
| 08:36.24 | aindilis | solrize: if you haven't heard, there is a log in like /var/apt/cache or /var/lib/apt or something |
| 08:36.27 | aindilis | that shows what was installed |
| 08:36.33 | aindilis | maybe /var/log/apt |
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| 08:36.55 | aindilis | as far as a specific package, I think you mean like specific version |
| 08:36.59 | solrize | well i know what was installed, i'm trying to find out the suggested stuff that wasn't installed |
| 08:37.19 | aindilis | there is some command maybe like `sudo apt-get install flp:2.2` or something |
| 08:37.23 | aindilis | flp=2.2 maybe |
| 08:37.35 | solrize | to get a version? |
| 08:37.40 | aindilis | yeah I think |
| 08:37.49 | aindilis | there's also a way to specify which repo to use |
| 08:37.51 | aindilis | maybe -t/ |
| 08:37.51 | aindilis | ? |
| 08:38.23 | aindilis | so you can take the package, extract it using like ar or something, and open the data.tgz or something and grab the control file, that tells the dependencies |
| 08:38.32 | aindilis | you could then subtract to obtain the list, idk? |
| 08:38.43 | aindilis | if you haven't solved this tomorrow ping me and I will write a script |
| 08:38.49 | aindilis | adougher9@yahoo.com |
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| 08:39.14 | aindilis | pls let me know if this is what you need or if you require further assistance |
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| 08:39.42 | aindilis | I could be way off, ianae |
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| 08:48.45 | trulu | shtrb: Sorry mate |
| 08:48.58 | trulu | shtrb: I was bugged by something |
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| 08:49.18 | trulu | how do i check the system logs |
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| 08:49.49 | trulu | shtrb: The is no SYSTEMD_LOG_LEVEL environment variable |
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| 08:53.29 | OS-28490 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:53.54 | petn-randall | OS-28490: You might want to change your password. |
| 08:54.02 | monksam | lol |
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| 08:54.17 | aindilis | join us now and share the software |
| 08:54.35 | petn-randall | OS-28490: A good password is a mix of upper and lower case letters and numbers. |
| 08:54.40 | shtrb | *systemd.log kernel option |
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| 08:55.09 | dgriffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:56.44 | shtrb | petn-randall , a good password is something that you can remember and is long enough (use passphrases ) |
| 08:57.17 | monksam | Like wildothedildoman182 |
| 08:57.29 | shtrb | trulu , where did you get that kernel ? |
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| 08:57.51 | aindilis | anyone have a script for recognizing passwords based on their entropy in plain text files? |
| 08:57.52 | trulu | from mainline 4.12 arm64 |
| 08:58.08 | tx | true hackers use a backspace in their password |
| 08:58.10 | tx | :P |
| 08:58.25 | trulu | shtrb: https://github.com/ioft/linux |
| 08:58.41 | Lowl3v3l | aindilis: "based on entropy" is difficult. many people use passwords that are incredibly unentropic ;) |
| 08:58.52 | aindilis | well it doesn't have to be complete |
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| 08:58.57 | aindilis | it could just find the ones that aren't |
| 08:59.15 | Lowl3v3l | aindilis: though, you could just use a wordlist, sort out everything that is in this and hope you dont filter out passwords as well xD |
| 08:59.41 | aindilis | well there are too many rare alleles to make that feasible |
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| 09:00.05 | aindilis | I have a named entity repo that is 94 gigabytes and it doesn't even include the acronym of the project I've been working on for 17 years |
| 09:00.29 | aindilis | so I was thinking just computing the entropy for differnet sized windows and detecting maxima |
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| 09:00.45 | aindilis | I guess if a smaller window succeeded it would extend the window |
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| 09:04.43 | shtrb | trulu , that is not a debian package |
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| 09:07.27 | qqbanevade | THIS IS MY TERRITORY! *PEES ALL OVER THE PLACE* WOFF WOFF WOFF! |
| 09:07.41 | shtrb | trulu , how did you add it in grub ? |
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| 09:08.23 | Sayona | Hi, is a way to install php 5.6 on debian 9? |
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| 09:09.31 | trulu | using u-boot |
| 09:09.34 | trulu | on arm64 |
| 09:10.38 | Sayona | ? |
| 09:10.43 | petn-randall | ,v php5 |
| 09:10.44 | judd | Package: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u8; jessie: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1 |
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| 09:11.34 | petn-randall | Sayona: No, stretch only ships with PHP7.0. You can however still install jessie (8), it still receives security support. |
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| 09:12.42 | Sayona | petn-randall, where I find a tutorial? |
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| 09:14.17 | trulu | shtrb: I'm using u-boot |
| 09:14.25 | trulu | shtrb: For arm64 boards |
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| 09:15.35 | petn-randall | !release notes |
| 09:15.36 | dpkg | The release notes for Debian 9 "Stretch" are at https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ . See also <jessie->stretch>, <stretch install guide> |
| 09:16.04 | petn-randall | Sayona: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ |
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| 09:16.43 | petn-randall | !jessie install guide |
| 09:16.44 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/installmanual . See also <errata>, <jessie release notes>. |
| 09:16.54 | petn-randall | Sayona: Also this here. ^^^ |
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| 09:19.37 | vap0r | hi all, im trying to install the newest version of irssi from source and need libncurses5-dev.. but i keep getting this error: https://pastebin.com/CsaYSAsx - just wondering if anyone can help me figure it out |
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| 09:21.00 | Sayona | I know how to install jessie :) |
| 09:21.22 | Sayona | I want to use debian 9 with php 5.6 |
| 09:21.26 | Sayona | is not posible? |
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| 09:21.51 | dgriffi | how would someone downgrade the kernel in Debian 9 to 3.16? |
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| 09:22.17 | trulu | shtrb: Are you there ? |
| 09:23.23 | shtrb | trulu , yes (reading about uboot) |
| 09:23.36 | shtrb | trying to understand how you pass kernel parms there |
| 09:23.44 | dury | hi there channel :-) |
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| 09:24.27 | shtrb | dgrifii , you can always download the older package and repackage it (rebuild) |
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| 09:25.06 | dgriffi | shtrb: I figured that... I was hoping to find a guide or howto on the subject., |
| 09:25.15 | dury | as we are debian users what's the most of smartphone to use android, IOs ....? |
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| 09:26.10 | julius | hi |
| 09:26.31 | julius | i just installed the latest kernel and it complained that it couldnt find the headers when running: /etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms: |
| 09:26.34 | julius | Error! Your kernel headers for kernel 4.11.0-1-amd64 cannot be found. |
| 09:26.38 | dury | I mean better smartphone as Debian Linux user? |
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| 09:26.48 | julius | how do i rerun that step now that my headers are there? |
| 09:27.02 | petn-randall | Sayona: no |
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| 09:27.11 | dury | that's debian offtopic isn't it? |
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| 09:27.55 | petn-randall | Sayona: no, you can't use PHP 5.6 in stretch through official packages. You might be able to install it via sources or 3rd party repos, but at that point it's not supported in this channel any more. |
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| 09:28.20 | Sayona | life is hard :) |
| 09:28.23 | Sayona | thanks |
| 09:28.28 | shtrb | dgriffi , apt-get source pkgname , and rebuild using your favorite option (debuild -us -uc , fakeroot debian/rules etc ) |
| 09:28.43 | dury | petn-randall, what do u think about? |
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| 09:30.14 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 09:30.14 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 09:30.20 | petn-randall | dury: ^^^ |
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| 09:43.14 | jrgingo | hi, I'm on a notebook and kernel 4.12 provided wireless support for it, but no distro has been released with kernel 4.12 yet. What are my options if I want a distro with kernel 4.12? |
| 09:43.19 | trulu | shtrb: Anything helpful in docu ? |
| 09:45.35 | petn-randall | jrgingo: You can install a stock Debian 9 and just build the kernel yourself. It involves unpacking the linux 4.12 sources and running 'make deb-pkg', then installing the .deb that gets built. |
| 09:45.37 | colo-work | jrgingo, just use a distro you're happy with and compile Linux yourself |
| 09:45.40 | colo-work | it's pretty easy |
| 09:45.43 | petn-randall | ,kernels |
| 09:45.44 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 09:45.45 | judd | (3.2.89-2) |
| 09:46.14 | qqbanevade | don't you just hate vloggers that smugfully drink their smoothies and think that they're important? |
| 09:47.13 | qqbanevade | sunglasses on, skirt, a tan, fixed hair, hand bag and a smoothie and a smug smirk on their self important faces as they push people away in their path as if they were walking on a red carpet |
| 09:47.15 | petn-randall | jrgingo: And at some point in the future I'd just switch to the kernels in stretch-backports. |
| 09:47.23 | jrgingo | would 4.12 work with debian 9 ? :o |
| 09:47.25 | petn-randall | qqbanevade: Do you have a Debian support question? |
| 09:47.35 | hexhaxtron | Anyone interested in a free SSH account running Debian 9 on a very powerful hardware? |
| 09:47.52 | petn-randall | jrgingo: I haven't tested it myself, but I expect it to work without problems. |
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| 09:48.16 | dgriffi | hexhaxtron: I'd be interested in the very powerful hardware... what are its specs? |
| 09:48.57 | qqbanevade | petn-randall: they are not behaving like citizens, they think that they stand over everybody else |
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| 09:49.13 | hexhaxtron | dgriffi: https://www.thunix.org See the "About the Hardware" section. |
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| 09:49.39 | dgriffi | 404 not found |
| 09:49.59 | petn-randall | qqbanevade: This is a Debian support channel. Whatever you're talking about, it's offtopic, so please keep quiet. |
| 09:50.17 | hexhaxtron | You're right. Just a moment. I broke the server trying to make PHP work. |
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| 09:52.50 | hexhaxtron | dgriffi: can you try now? |
| 09:53.40 | dgriffi | interesting |
| 09:54.40 | hexhaxtron | dgriffi: you just need to choose a username. |
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| 09:55.03 | qqbanevade | petn-randall: seriously, they're walking around and think that they're pretty and better than everybody else. When they order fast food they have 0 idea of how that burger was made. They get their money from adsense by blogging about their smoothies and clothes that they've built. Suddenly all teenagers wants to become bloggers |
| 09:55.04 | dgriffi | ah.. I was just interested in the specs of the machine. I've no need for a remote shell at this time |
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| 09:56.07 | petn-randall | jelly: cheers. |
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| 09:56.11 | dgriffi | looking at the stuff about downgrading a kernel, what I find seems to assume downgrading to a different minor release. |
| 09:56.40 | jelly | qqbanevade, this isn't the first time you're pointed to #debian-offtopic; keep this channel for tech support please |
| 09:56.42 | dgriffi | I want to downgrade the 4.9 kernel in Stretch to 3.16. |
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| 10:01.02 | sobczyk | is it safe to dist-upgrade jessie to stretch in chroot? I want to use policy-rc.d 101 and not have to worry with restarting services and have an option to fast restore the previous system from lvm snapshot |
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| 10:03.51 | jelly | dgriffi, so just reboot into the jessie kernel? |
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| 10:04.09 | dgriffi | jelly: I did that and I'm nowhere nearer to solving my underlying problem |
| 10:04.35 | dgriffi | jelly: there's some yet unknown difference between Jessie and Stretch such that dosemu works on Jessie, but not Stretch |
| 10:05.15 | dgriffi | jelly: on Jessie, I successfully ran dosemu using the 3.16 and 4.9 kernels |
| 10:05.41 | dgriffi | jelly: I'm trying to provide more info on bug #866965 |
| 10:05.43 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/866965 in dosemu (open): «dosemu: DPMI unhandled exception instability back again»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-07-03; last modified: 2017-07-11. |
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| 10:07.46 | pancakes | i like P4NC4K3S |
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| 10:07.59 | pancakes | so yummmy |
| 10:07.59 | dgriffi | jelly: nobody has commented on it yet and I'm trying to coax someone to do so by providing more info |
| 10:08.17 | jelly | dgriffi, so it's not the kernel |
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| 10:08.49 | jelly | thought dosemu died a decade ago |
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| 10:09.22 | dgriffi | jelly: one would think so... but there were identical symptoms reported in bug #797378 and the culprit was a kernel bug. |
| 10:09.24 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/797378 in src:linux (closed, fixed-upstream, upstream, patch): «dosemu: DPMI errors in same DOS programs»; severity: important; opened: 2015-08-30; last modified: 2016-03-12. |
| 10:09.48 | dgriffi | jelly: dosemu has indeed stagnated. that's why someone came up with dosemu2 and is actively developing it. |
| 10:10.09 | jelly | it relied heavily on hardware access |
| 10:11.05 | dgriffi | ultimately I'm on this dosemu adventure so I can debug a problem with the DOS version of Frotz |
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| 10:11.45 | dgriffi | I thought I could just use DOS within Virtualbox, but I can't get networking to work within it... nor can I get it to share drives or directories |
| 10:12.12 | dgriffi | dosbox works, but the bug I'm trying to squash will only manifest on real hardware, dosemu, or virtualbox |
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| 10:14.32 | tx | you probably can |
| 10:14.32 | tx | but |
| 10:14.37 | tx | you need to select a different network adapter |
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| 10:17.02 | dgriffi | tx: are you referring to my problem with dos and virtualbox? |
| 10:17.10 | tx | yes :) |
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| 10:18.14 | tx | dgriffi: in virtualbox you can select which network card to 'emulate' |
| 10:18.52 | tx | One of the PCnet ones will likely suffice, perhaps the 10meg one. |
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| 10:19.29 | dgriffi | tx: no... that's not the problem. I'm seeing the vboxed DOS machine showing up in the samba logs |
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| 10:19.56 | dgriffi | hmm... "no such user"??? |
| 10:20.35 | tx | dgriffi: Oh I see. Is samba configured to support those ancient protocols? |
| 10:20.59 | dgriffi | yes... I'm thinking now that samba has a different idea of what users are allowed than /etc/passwd does |
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| 10:21.31 | tx | you may need to set up a samba user using smbpasswd |
| 10:21.46 | tx | (it is different than your shadow / linux password) |
| 10:21.51 | jolt | Yeah, samba has it's own passwd db, smbpasswd -a <user> |
| 10:21.57 | tx | aye |
| 10:22.12 | jolt | You can hook it into other pw auth systems like pam, ldap etc if you want though |
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| 10:23.17 | dgriffi | hmm... getting somewhere. now I'm recognized, but not allowed to access the share |
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| 10:34.31 | dgriffi | ah.. no.. found them |
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| 10:56.06 | Mr_NodeKit | Anyone willing to help with a project? |
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| 10:56.23 | hiya | Mr_NodeKit, sure? What is it about? |
| 10:56.39 | Mr_NodeKit | Do you have Kali Linux ? |
| 10:56.57 | jelly | !kali |
| 10:56.57 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 11:07.18 | shtrb | dgriffi , did you get my message about kernel handbook and package rebuilt ? |
| 11:07.29 | dgriffi | shtrb: nope |
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| 11:14.39 | shtrb | dgriffi , https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial , https://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official , https://wiki.debian.org/BuildADebianKernelPackage |
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| 11:38.34 | no_gravity | Hello! How do you check which version of a software comes with Debian 9? |
| 11:38.52 | tsarompy | look it up in synaptic |
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| 11:39.00 | tsarompy | i cant remember the command for apt off the bat |
| 11:39.04 | tsarompy | but synaptic will tell you |
| 11:39.07 | petn-randall | no_gravity: You can look it up on http://packages.debian.org if you don't have Debian stretch installed. |
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| 11:39.20 | tsarompy | oh derp i thought you meant what version is installed |
| 11:39.20 | tsarompy | my bad |
| 11:39.44 | no_gravity | Yup, I don't have D9. I have D8. Just want to see which version of MySql is in D9. |
| 11:39.51 | tsarompy | hang on |
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| 11:40.11 | no_gravity | petn-randall: the link is for Debian 9? And then how do I search? |
| 11:40.19 | at0m | no_gravity: apt show $package has the version, too. or $app --version |
| 11:40.25 | tsarompy | 5.5.9999 |
| 11:40.31 | tsarompy | ^ version |
| 11:40.47 | petn-randall | no_gravity: At least click on the link before asking. |
| 11:40.47 | no_gravity | Uh, that sounds old. MySql did not have JSON fields then. |
| 11:40.54 | no_gravity | petn-randall: I am on the link. |
| 11:41.01 | tsarompy | thats for mysql-client |
| 11:41.04 | tsarompy | any specific package? |
| 11:41.14 | no_gravity | petn-randall: I tried putting "mysql" in the seach field on the upper right. |
| 11:41.15 | tsarompy | mysql-server as well |
| 11:41.22 | no_gravity | petn-randall: But that returned .. I don't know what. |
| 11:41.33 | tsarompy | mysql-server/stable,stable 5.5.9999+default amd64 |
| 11:41.36 | no_gravity | tsarompy: Yeah, I meant the server. |
| 11:41.56 | petn-randall | no_gravity: Yeah, it's because you made zero attempt to read what's on the page. |
| 11:42.06 | tsarompy | if you want something newer you could always install stretch and dist-upgrade to buster (: |
| 11:42.09 | petn-randall | no_gravity: That link will search the complete site, not the package directory. |
| 11:42.23 | petn-randall | no_gravity: The search window in the top right that is. |
| 11:42.44 | no_gravity | tsarompy: Can you find it on debian.org? |
| 11:42.51 | no_gravity | tsarompy: I found this: https://packages.debian.org/stable/database/default-mysql-server-core |
| 11:43.15 | no_gravity | tsarompy: But that seems to show the version of MariaDB? |
| 11:43.19 | tsarompy | ask and ye shall receive |
| 11:43.21 | tsarompy | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/mysql-server |
| 11:43.34 | tsarompy | ya i dunno what that other package is |
| 11:43.44 | no_gravity | tsarompy: How did you find that one? |
| 11:43.44 | petn-randall | tsarompy: hint, mysql isn't even shipped in stretch and newer. |
| 11:44.06 | tsarompy | then what am i lookin at |
| 11:44.16 | tsarompy | and why are you like |
| 11:44.20 | tsarompy | aggro |
| 11:44.30 | afidegnum | hi, using the unhide method is not helping recover sandboxed files on my MMC.. i can see they occupied some spaces but i can't see them... what's the best tool to recover them? using the undelete feature also didn't help |
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| 11:45.14 | petn-randall | afidegnum: What do you mean with sandboxed files? |
| 11:45.27 | afidegnum | that's what i can say so far |
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| 11:46.03 | afidegnum | when you look at the disk properties you see there huge space occupie |
| 11:46.07 | afidegnum | occupied, |
| 11:46.30 | afidegnum | .5 |
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| 11:47.48 | petn-randall | afidegnum: What are you trying to do? You accidentally deleted files and you're trying to recover them? |
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| 11:49.23 | petn-randall | afidegnum: Or do you want to free up space on the MMC? |
| 11:49.40 | afidegnum | no, i used an applyno |
| 11:49.42 | afidegnum | no |
| 11:49.52 | afidegnum | i used an app to recover audio files |
| 11:50.12 | afidegnum | and when i wanted to retrieve them back i can't get hold of the files |
| 11:50.28 | afidegnum | i can see a huge space occuped but no file on sight |
| 11:50.39 | afidegnum | i try to unhide them but no success |
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| 11:51.28 | no_gravity | afidegnum: You might want to pastebin the command line commands you run and the output you get. |
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| 12:31.38 | pvdp | sypher: it took me a bit longer than expected but I got my 12-disk RAID6 array working. I ended up using a separate RAID1 array non-LVM for /boot and put the rest in another RAID6 array with LVM. |
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| 12:33.00 | jelly | pvdp, that's probably the sanest setup |
| 12:33.27 | jelly | hope you have a hot spare! |
| 12:33.36 | pvdp | It just wouldn't boot with just 1 RAID6 array+LVM even with boot partition on every disk as suggested. Weird thing though is that I did a simular install with 5 disks using KVM and it all worked straight away. |
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| 12:34.36 | pvdp | So not sure why with the real thing it didn't work although apparently for grub it should be possible (as proven with kvm) |
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| 12:44.20 | simbalion | Is Nginx 1.13.3 going to be backported for Debian 9 soon? |
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| 12:44.30 | petn-randall | ,v nginx |
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| 12:44.31 | judd | Package: nginx on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.2-5+deb8u4; jessie-security: 1.6.2-5+deb8u4; sid: 1.10.1-1; jessie-backports: 1.10.3-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.10.3-1; buster: 1.13.1-2; sid: 1.13.1-2 |
| 12:44.41 | celyr | means no |
| 12:45.03 | petn-randall | simbalion: It has to be in testing before it's considered for backporting. |
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| 12:45.42 | simbalion | Since there was a security vulnerability discovered a few days ago which affects up to 1.13.2, shouldn't it be? |
| 12:45.48 | celyr | no |
| 12:45.59 | celyr | fix will be cherry picked and pushed into all version |
| 12:45.59 | celyr | s |
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| 12:46.15 | celyr | simbalion, can you please link me the cve ? |
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| 12:46.31 | simbalion | celyr: one moment |
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| 12:46.51 | simbalion | celyr: http://mailman.nginx.org/pipermail/nginx-announce/2017/000200.html |
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| 12:47.35 | celyr | seems very low severity one, also you have a workaround for free |
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| 12:48.07 | simbalion | Yeah re-reading it it does seem low severity, when I read it the first time after being up for 18 hours it seemed more serious ;) |
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| 12:48.17 | celyr | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-7529 |
| 12:48.19 | simbalion | Thanks for your help |
| 12:48.50 | guavas | hello everyone. I'm trying to install a program with wine and I have an error: This application require Java Runtime Environment 1.5.0. I have openjodk-8-jre installed, how comes it's not seen as correct java runtime environment? |
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| 12:49.04 | celyr | except a patched version back to wheezy :) |
| 12:49.04 | simbalion | ooh I should start using that website instead of bothering folks in here. Thanks again |
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| 12:49.29 | tremolo | guavas: You will need to install the Windows version of Java in WINE. |
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| 12:49.57 | guavas | tremolo, ah, ok, my first time using wine, thanks! |
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| 12:50.41 | FinalX | they consider it medium severity, and setting max_ranges to 1 as work-around isn't exactly wonderful either. the patch is trivial, though.. but we're now using nginx.org repos for most servers, apart from one that requires a module that comes with debian repo but not nginx.org's :) (auth_pam) |
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| 13:00.01 | tremolo | sure |
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| 13:02.04 | pclov3r | i have a cmake question which may people may know here. It's possible to have multiple CMakeList.txt files and specify which you want via the command line? |
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| 13:02.16 | The_Iron_12 | arp-scan |
| 13:02.16 | celyr | FinalX, Well that depends largely on what website is running, I'm running an affected version |
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| 13:02.22 | celyr | and I think I'll let it run |
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| 13:03.50 | FinalX | celyr: to each his own; most were running nginx.org mainline already anyway, there's a few that are insanely outdated (debian old stables), and there's some that run a custom compile that I had to rebuild as well :) |
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| 13:04.35 | hicks__ | pclov3r: I'm not aware of a way to do that and a quick look through the man page didn't suggest it's supported. Although I imaging you could achieve similar by having a single main CMakeList.txt that includes various others based on a defined parameter on the cmd line. |
| 13:05.02 | hicks__ | Prob best to ask on a cmake forum/mailing list though just in case. |
| 13:05.08 | celyr | FinalX, well it seems that nginx is part of your core business so yeah, you should compile it by your own |
| 13:05.30 | FinalX | running debian's stable nginx makes sense for companies that have strict feature-documentation for projects, but it makes little sense otherwise. mainline repository is mroe stable that the stable line, too. it's what's used for their commercial version first. |
| 13:05.53 | FinalX | yeah, there's ~20k sites running on the custom build :) |
| 13:06.25 | celyr | I'm using it to serve a website with like 60 unique visits day and a reverse proxy |
| 13:07.11 | celyr | so yeah, I keep the debian's stable just to avoid the maintenance |
| 13:07.13 | pclov3r | hicks__, thanks |
| 13:07.43 | FinalX | I doubt this can be exploited in any regular setting, because it's pretty much only possible if you have a module that's buggy and isn't on nginx.org's list (they checked them). But if it had been exploitable, automatic scanners won't discriminate between a host running 1 site with 5 visitors a day, or one that's doing millions. |
| 13:08.07 | FinalX | but yeah, feature-wise there's no reason not to |
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| 13:09.00 | celyr | Maybe I didn't got the extent of this but, even if I do get exploited I think they will get nothing ? |
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| 13:09.30 | pclov3r | hicks__, perhaps there is maybe a betteer way or something. Building software for different platforms using cmake |
| 13:09.44 | pclov3r | an it needs different options configured |
| 13:09.51 | FinalX | celyr: the vulnerability is so that they can get data from other things that they'd normally possibly have access to |
| 13:10.31 | hicks__ | different platforms as in different versions of linux, win, mac etc? if so there's ways to do that already in CMake, check their website + docs for that one. |
| 13:10.54 | pclov3r | cross compiling to windows and it has external projects too |
| 13:11.02 | pclov3r | which are deps |
| 13:11.09 | celyr | FinalX, yeah so I really don't get it |
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| 13:17.10 | dury | hi there channel :-) |
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| 13:25.57 | r3 | On Thursday night, 21:40 PM CST, it will be exactly 1.5 billion seconds since Jan 1, 1970 UT, the Unix EPOCH. At that instant, billions of Linux and Unix computers and devices, everywhere on the planet, will all return time() == 1500000000. It will not be until 2033 when that number reaches 2 Billion. |
| 13:26.54 | shtrb | real fun will be in 2038 |
| 13:26.54 | r3 | I like large strings of zeros, so I thought I'd point that out :) |
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| 13:27.57 | neglesaks | Thank you for that info *<:) |
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| 13:42.04 | mr__tea | is there any easy way to upgrade a 32bit system to 64bit? |
| 13:42.21 | greycat | No. |
| 13:42.40 | greycat | The only supported answer is a full reinstall, and any attempt to "crossgrade" is at your own risk. |
| 13:43.02 | petn-randall | mr__tea: Clean way is to reinstall. There's a hacky way, but it involves 20+ steps and chances are high that your system is unbootable if you make a mistake. |
| 13:43.49 | tremolo | Clean install, copy configs, reuse /home |
| 13:44.23 | mr__tea | allright thanks guys |
| 13:46.53 | mr__tea | petn-randall: I came back some hacky ways on google indeed |
| 13:46.55 | mr__tea | :) |
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| 13:47.29 | petn-randall | mr__tea: Indeed. IMHO it's better to reinstall though, less work in the long run. |
| 13:48.08 | z10 | Hi :) I'm new to all of this and I have issues with fail2ban. I can change the bantime in jail.conf but whenever I change the maxretry it just doesnt care. I restart the service and it is stated that my maxretry is set to 6 even tho .local is set to 2 |
| 13:50.07 | eacces | i'm just going to engage in a minor rant: fail2ban is kind of pointless if you either a: use decent passwords, b: disable password auth |
| 13:50.46 | petn-randall | eacces: fail2ban does far more than just protect SSH. |
| 13:50.57 | abrotman | It makes eggs! |
| 13:51.18 | z10 | I have a 21 letters password, should be good. |
| 13:51.22 | petn-randall | eacces: And I doubt many of your websites use TLS client authentication. |
| 13:51.23 | tremolo | Well, that's neat. |
| 13:51.37 | eacces | fair point :) |
| 13:52.10 | petn-randall | z10: Good to know, that minimizes the brute force space to scan quite a bit. |
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| 13:52.47 | z10 | petn-randall, true I should probably not mention that I guess :P |
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| 13:53.06 | z10 | still, i'd say it would take "some"t time |
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| 13:53.51 | eacces | glances at the CVEs for fail2ban... |
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| 13:54.45 | eacces | it's about what you'd expect. allowing attackers to get arbitrary things blocked |
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| 13:56.00 | petn-randall | Only if the regexes are crappy. They fixed those in recent releases. The tracker of doom is probably wrong here. |
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| 13:56.24 | superburek | debian for web development. pros/cons? |
| 13:56.50 | petn-randall | superburek: yes |
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| 13:57.21 | superburek | what are pros/cons? |
| 13:57.40 | petn-randall | !tell superburek -about smart questions |
| 13:58.37 | tremolo | Well, pros/cons are a list of things that are good and bad about something. Advantages and disadvantages to using Debian for web development in this case. |
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| 13:59.29 | superburek | i'm asking what are pros and cons of debian in web development |
| 13:59.32 | superburek | simple question |
| 13:59.46 | superburek | maybe old firefox packages and stuff like that |
| 13:59.46 | tremolo | Sorry, that was unclear. |
| 13:59.55 | greycat | It's too open-ended for us to answer. What do you mean by "web development"? |
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| 14:00.07 | superburek | html/css/js |
| 14:00.09 | petn-randall | superburek: Your question is so vague it's not answerable in this form. Web development of what? Are you writing server side code? Python? PHP? perl? Or Javascript/Coffeescript? |
| 14:00.19 | greycat | Debian includes the "ESR" releases of firefox. |
| 14:00.25 | greycat | ,v firefox-esr |
| 14:00.26 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.2.0esr-2; sid: 52.2.0esr-2 |
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| 14:00.36 | superburek | let's say front end |
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| 14:00.46 | petn-randall | superburek: And what are you comparing it to? |
| 14:00.59 | eacces | con: you'll be the only one at the conference without a macbook pro |
| 14:01.02 | petn-randall | superburek: In 95% of the case I'd say stick with the tools you're used to. |
| 14:01.09 | superburek | ahahaha eacces |
| 14:01.20 | superburek | no apple fan here :D |
| 14:01.52 | superburek | just wanna know your guys opinions are there any cons, that you or others may consider them cons |
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| 14:02.26 | eacces | debian is at least as good as any linux distro, or *BSD, for what you want. the only real con i can think of is how one tests against the windows only browsers |
| 14:02.29 | superburek | its not about tools, but rather about the distro itself. would debian limit you in web dev |
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| 14:03.20 | superburek | isnt the only windows only browser - exporer/edge? |
| 14:03.29 | superburek | explorer* |
| 14:03.35 | petn-randall | superburek: I don't have the feeling you pondered this question for long before asking. |
| 14:03.40 | greycat | You're the web developer. You tell us. |
| 14:03.53 | superburek | i'm not, i just wanna know |
| 14:04.03 | greycat | Annnnd we run into the first problem. |
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| 14:04.53 | superburek | i just want to know can/would debian, in any way, share or form limit you in web development |
| 14:05.12 | petn-randall | superburek: Not actively doing web development, I'd say the underlying OS is largely irrelevant regarding what you can and can't do. It's just a matter of how accustomed you are to the OS's tools. |
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| 14:05.32 | superburek | that's what i want to know |
| 14:05.35 | superburek | thanks for your input |
| 14:06.14 | petn-randall | Oh wait, I actually did some Django web development on my last project, so scratch the first part of my first sentence. |
| 14:06.34 | tremolo | There are many text editors packaged for Debian. |
| 14:07.05 | superburek | there's a free django book on packtpub atm, petn |
| 14:07.44 | superburek | i use vs code, nice text editor |
| 14:07.45 | teraflops | nvim is in stretch thanks $DEITY |
| 14:07.50 | teraflops | neovim^ |
| 14:07.52 | shtrb | superburek , IE + Edge |
| 14:08.21 | shtrb | And they behave differently and can have differnt running modes |
| 14:09.18 | superburek | yeah, i understand that. i'm trying to learn web development and i read somewhere that all browsers have different "engines" i guess |
| 14:11.09 | shtrb | not only engines , IE 11 will behave differently than Edge and even IE 11 is very differnet from IE 6 compatible mode |
| 14:11.48 | shtrb | s/IE 6//g |
| 14:12.01 | eacces | ^this is why i avoided anything to do with website frontends (: |
| 14:12.32 | superburek | :| |
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| 14:19.30 | fourhundred | I am installing Debian Stretch, booting via PXE from my ftfp server, using the official "netboot" debian image |
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| 14:20.02 | fourhundred | what and wg=here do i have to change, so that the Debian installer does not rename eth0 to something insane |
| 14:20.08 | fourhundred | like "enp11s0f0" |
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| 14:21.15 | tsarompy | ive noticed that since systemd |
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| 14:21.55 | greycat | https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#new-interface-names |
| 14:22.00 | fourhundred | I have tried adding "net.ifnames=0" to APPEND on the tftp server, but that does not help |
| 14:22.38 | tsarompy | https://www.shellhacks.com/change-network-interface-name-eth0-eth1-eth2/ |
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| 14:24.04 | fourhundred | greycat, your link does not mention anything relevant about installing from tftp |
| 14:24.23 | fourhundred | or installing at all |
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| 14:24.29 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 14:26.23 | lazarus477 | Is it ok/safe to skip a release when upgrading to a newer release? |
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| 14:26.54 | greycat | No. You can only upgrade one release at a time. |
| 14:27.01 | BluesKaj | not on debian lazarus477 |
| 14:27.27 | lazarus477 | Thanks guys, that was what I needed to know. |
| 14:27.45 | BluesKaj | you can with 'buntu LTS to LTS releases |
| 14:29.29 | lazarus477 | Okie |
| 14:29.56 | lazarus477 | Well I am on Deb Wheezy LTS. But there appears to be no new LTS, so... |
| 14:30.11 | lazarus477 | Either way. I will go from 7, to 8 and then 9. |
| 14:30.14 | greycat | jessie isn't old enough to need LTS yet. It's still in full support jomde.mode. |
| 14:30.21 | lazarus477 | Yup |
| 14:30.25 | greycat | wow, this keyboard... :( |
| 14:30.33 | lazarus477 | But I desire a newer version of cups on this box. |
| 14:31.05 | lazarus477 | No big deal if this box blows up either. Nothing critical on it. |
| 14:31.05 | greycat | In the Debian universe, LTS means that the release is only *partially* supported, no longer fully supported, but not yet abandoned. |
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| 14:31.21 | lazarus477 | Gotcha |
| 14:31.26 | greycat | Wheezy (Debian 7) is currently in LTS, for a couple more years. |
| 14:31.30 | greycat | !wheezy lts |
| 14:31.30 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See http://deb.li/2aC for excluded packages. No changes to /etc/apt/sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts. |
| 14:31.37 | greycat | Make that one more year. |
| 14:32.25 | greycat | Stretch was just released last month, so jessie (Debian 8) will go from full support to LTS support in ~11 months. |
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| 14:36.56 | Devastator | getting a few "Failed to execute operation: Connection timed out" while upgrading from jessie to stretch, should I worry? |
| 14:37.15 | greycat | If it's during package downloads, you can always retry those. |
| 14:37.24 | greycat | If it's during something else, then yeah, I'd be a bit worried. |
| 14:37.51 | Devastator | greycat it is during something else, like package setup, it started after trying to upgrade lvm2 |
| 14:38.04 | greycat | iscsi devices? |
| 14:38.21 | Devastator | greycat not really, just a regular sata hdd |
| 14:38.47 | greycat | No idea what connectdion it's talking about, then? |
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| 14:39.25 | Devastator | greycat it seems related to systemd as per here: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/3353 |
| 14:40.28 | petn-randall | ,v systemd |
| 14:40.29 | judd | Package: systemd on amd64 -- wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u7; jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; stretch: 232-25; sid: 233-10; buster: 233-10 |
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| 14:41.48 | petn-randall | Devastator: *where* are you getting these errors from? "Connection timed out" can apply to pretty much any daemon/tool/whatever during the upgrade. |
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| 14:42.53 | Devastator | petn-randall it doesn't specify, but it happened during my apt-get dist-upgrade after apt-get upgrade |
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| 14:43.25 | petn-randall | Devastator: Can you paste (some of) the logs? |
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| 14:44.35 | Devastator | petn-randall does this help? http://codepad.org/nYRblJCE] |
| 14:44.37 | Devastator | opss |
| 14:44.39 | Devastator | petn-randall does this help? http://codepad.org/nYRblJCE |
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| 14:45.35 | Devastator | just got bash back after: W: Operation was interrupted before it could finish |
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| 14:45.49 | petn-randall | Devastator: Hmm, anything in the release notes about it? |
| 14:46.08 | BluesKaj | my printer stopped working since I upgraded to stretch from jessie, apparently HP hasn't upgraded their printer drivers to stretch yet. I should have checked that before upgrading :/ |
| 14:47.05 | Devastator | petn-randall doesn't seem like it, well I just ran apt-get -f install again and it seems to be going |
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| 14:48.01 | mtn | BluesKaj: I had to use the cups interface to get my printer working in stretch. the hptool did not work for me |
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| 14:48.04 | Devastator | talked too soon, stopped again |
| 14:48.26 | petn-randall | Devastator: Does running 'systemctl' show you any stopped/failed services? |
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| 14:49.05 | Devastator | petn-randall let me open a new shell, one sec |
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| 14:49.48 | BluesKaj | mtn, cups does see my network printer, but it just won't print |
| 14:50.09 | mtn | BluesKaj: printing is always so much fun :p |
| 14:50.30 | Devastator | petn-randall: root@morpheu:/home/fggs# systemctl |
| 14:50.30 | Devastator | Failed to list units: Activation of org.freedesktop.systemd1 timed outroot@morpheu:/home/fggs# |
| 14:50.33 | Devastator | opss |
| 14:50.35 | mtn | BluesKaj: did you try the hplip tool, as well? |
| 14:51.30 | BluesKaj | yes |
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| 14:55.01 | BluesKaj | mtn, the hplip-tool doesn't exist in the stretch repos ..must be thinking about jessie |
| 14:55.24 | mtn | BluesKaj: is the package name hplip-gui? |
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| 14:56.49 | aksis | can i get aptitude to download from a source which is not in my sources.list? |
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| 14:57.02 | petn-randall | aksis: no |
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| 14:58.51 | BluesKaj | mtn, installed the gui , and the HP-Toolbox shows up in the applications menu |
| 14:59.25 | mtn | BluesKaj: it might work better than cups. it has for me in the past |
| 15:00.09 | BluesKaj | mtn, yeah I'll give the HP Toolbox a try ...again |
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| 15:02.24 | Math__ | Hello, with debian 9 stretch at startup, I have this error message: Failed to connect to lvmetad, failling back to device scanning. |
| 15:02.27 | Math__ | The boot process works fine after typing my password |
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| 15:02.55 | Math__ | I did not have this problem with Jessie |
| 15:02.59 | petn-randall | Math__: That message is purely cosmetic and informational. |
| 15:03.38 | petn-randall | Math__: lvmetad is used if you have hundreds of PVs to speed up LVM operations. |
| 15:03.39 | Math__ | 35/5000 |
| 15:03.39 | Math__ | Ok I do not pay attention so |
| 15:04.00 | Math__ | thank you petn-randall |
| 15:04.06 | petn-randall | Math__: you're welcome |
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| 15:09.20 | sparky4 | i cannot resume from suspend >< i recently upgraded to stretch and when i suspended my laptop it will not resume >< |
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| 15:09.45 | petn-randall | sparky4: What happens when you try to resume? |
| 15:10.13 | BluesKaj | hmmm, the HP-Toolbox doesm't see the network printer |
| 15:12.16 | celyr | ,v ntp |
| 15:12.17 | judd | Package: ntp on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u7; jessie-security: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u2; jessie: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u2; stretch: 1:4.2.8p10+dfsg-3; sid: 1:4.2.8p10+dfsg-5; buster: 1:4.2.8p10+dfsg-5 |
| 15:12.28 | celyr | no jessie backports |
| 15:12.29 | celyr | damn |
| 15:12.44 | petn-randall | celyr: You can always backport it yourself. |
| 15:12.57 | celyr | flees screaming |
| 15:13.10 | greycat | not always, but... |
| 15:13.24 | petn-randall | ,checkbackport ntp |
| 15:13.30 | judd | Backporting package ntp in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, virtual. |
| 15:13.32 | greycat | ,checkbackport ntp --fromrelease stretch --torelease jessie |
| 15:13.33 | judd | Backporting package ntp in stretchâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual. |
| 15:13.45 | petn-randall | Oh, right |
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| 15:16.16 | celyr | well |
| 15:16.18 | celyr | I'm sorry but this was a bit expected :P |
| 15:16.30 | celyr | I don't even think ntp has requirements |
| 15:16.40 | celyr | *dependencies |
| 15:17.05 | petn-randall | It surely requires some ancient libc6 as build dependency. |
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| 15:17.35 | greycat | Heh. Well, if there are few dependencies, then the build will be easy. |
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| 15:20.05 | sparky4 | petn-randall: the machine sits there |
| 15:20.24 | sparky4 | petn-randall: i cannot alt+ctrl+f(1-6) |
| 15:20.31 | petn-randall | sparky4: Blank screen? Any errors? |
| 15:20.35 | sparky4 | just black screen |
| 15:20.43 | sparky4 | no error screen is blank |
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| 15:21.01 | petn-randall | sparky4: What laptop model is that? |
| 15:21.09 | sparky4 | Thinkpad t440p |
| 15:21.20 | petn-randall | sparky4: Do you mean suspend to disk or suspend to RAM? |
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| 15:21.53 | sparky4 | ram suspend |
| 15:22.25 | petn-randall | sparky4: I see. If you have a second machine, I'd check if you can still reach the laptop via ping/SSH. Maybe you can even find something in the system logs. |
| 15:25.12 | will__ | hello everyone |
| 15:25.22 | will__ | i just ran apt upgrade |
| 15:25.29 | will__ | ended with this output: |
| 15:25.31 | will__ | dpkg: error processing package google-cloud-sdk (--configure): |
| 15:25.31 | will__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.31 | will__ | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 15:25.31 | dpkg | will__: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 15:25.34 | petn-randall | !paste |
| 15:25.34 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 15:25.40 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 15:25.41 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 15:25.55 | celyr | Penix, Ok I'm building the backport |
| 15:25.55 | petn-randall | will__: Don't paste into the channel. Can you provide the info in the dpkg message above? ^^^ |
| 15:26.04 | sparky4 | petn-randall: i was actually planning on doing that specifically |
| 15:26.26 | celyr | petn-randall, it was meant for you |
| 15:27.03 | petn-randall | sparky4: Usually thinkpads work pretty fine. Sometimes nvidia/amd graphics make trouble, especially the bumblebee hybrid graphics setup. |
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| 15:27.35 | towo` | will__, there is no google-cloud-sdk in debian, so wrong channel |
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| 15:27.54 | sparky4 | petn-randall: ah i got that! |
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| 15:28.59 | will__ | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/976153/ |
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| 15:29.39 | towo` | [17:27:19] <towo`> will__, there is no google-cloud-sdk in debian, so wrong channel |
| 15:29.40 | will__ | towo`: I'm not sure about that man. I'm running debian 9 chosen from a google cloud platform distro list. |
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| 15:29.57 | will__ | and i didnt get that error last time i did upgrade a couple days ago |
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| 15:30.11 | towo` | will__, http://packages.cloud.google.com/apt cloud-sdk-stretch/main is not a debian repo |
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| 15:30.32 | Walakea | what is the difference between /media/<me>/<device> and /dev/sdX ? |
| 15:30.39 | towo` | it's from google, so ask them |
| 15:30.41 | will__ | would it be available for jessie then? |
| 15:30.54 | greycat | Walakea: the former is a directory, and the latter is a device |
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| 15:31.00 | Walakea | i want to write bootable ISO onto my USB and i did it to /media/.... |
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| 15:31.05 | towo` | Walakea, the 1st is a directory, the last is a device |
| 15:31.11 | greycat | Devices can be mounted on directories. |
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| 15:31.42 | petn-randall | ,v google-cloud-sdk |
| 15:31.43 | judd | No package named 'google-cloud-sdk' was found in amd64. |
| 15:31.43 | towo` | Walakea, isos have to be copieed to a device, not a mountpoint |
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| 15:31.48 | Walakea | ok |
| 15:31.57 | Walakea | and does simple cp suffice? |
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| 15:32.08 | towo` | Walakea, what? |
| 15:32.09 | petn-randall | will__: No, that package doesn't even exist in jessie. Ask whoever provided that package for support. |
| 15:32.10 | greycat | Walakea: for writing a bootable iso image to a USB device, yes. |
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| 15:32.22 | will__ | gotcha thanks guys |
| 15:32.39 | Walakea | cp "...iso" /dev/sdX |
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| 15:33.30 | petn-randall | Walakea: yes. Make sure /dev/sdX is not mounted, and that it's /dev/sdX, not sdX1. |
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| 15:34.00 | mtcjayne | Would anyone be willing to pastebin me the output of an IPv6 curl for my site? It works for other machines on my LAN but not for IPv6 test websites. |
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| 15:34.41 | teraflops | mtcjayne: sure |
| 15:34.47 | mtcjayne | it's mtcjayne.com |
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| 15:35.02 | mtcjayne | can't figure out where it's getting dropped. probably the ISP end. |
| 15:35.07 | celyr | petn-randall, to build the backport |
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| 15:35.20 | celyr | should I do that in a jessie machine ? |
| 15:35.26 | celyr | or can i build the backport in a stretch one ? |
| 15:35.44 | greycat | judd said that yes, you can build a backport from stretch source of ntp to jessie |
| 15:36.10 | celyr | should I use some special option ? |
| 15:36.15 | greycat | You build it on a jessie machine, using a deb-src from stretch as per !sbb (just using stretch instead of sid) |
| 15:36.17 | amig | Hey guys! How can I change default encryption parameters during installation: cipher, keysize and hash? |
| 15:36.25 | greycat | sorry, ssb |
| 15:36.28 | greycat | !ssb |
| 15:36.28 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 15:37.00 | Walakea | petn-randall: not mounted? |
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| 15:37.41 | celyr | mmmhhh |
| 15:37.54 | celyr | !bdo |
| 15:37.54 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 15:37.59 | greycat | Walakea: when writing an iso to a USB device, neither the iso nor the USB device should be mounted. |
| 15:38.01 | Dagger | mtcjayne: ping works, but no port 80/443. check your firewall? |
| 15:38.10 | mtcjayne | Yeah that's what I was afraid of. |
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| 15:38.25 | teraflops | mtcjayne: I cannot access via http to 2604:2d80:4404:c6df:a00:27ff:fe4b:fe80 |
| 15:38.31 | mtcjayne | Technically I'm on residential with a no server policy so. |
| 15:38.36 | bs0d | Hello community. Is there a virtualbox image for Debian 9.0.0 available? |
| 15:38.40 | mtcjayne | Just gonna have to deal with it I suppose. |
| 15:39.03 | teraflops | mtcjayne: but I can ping it |
| 15:39.17 | mtcjayne | Yeah |
| 15:39.27 | Walakea | when i try tab autocompletion, it gives me umount /dev/sdb1, but i have to umount /dev/sdb ? |
| 15:39.51 | teraflops | mtcjayne: fix your apache/nginx/whatever ? |
| 15:39.51 | Dagger | the internet's peer to peer, so that's a bit broken |
| 15:39.57 | greycat | Walakea: NONE of them should be mounted, IF that is your USB device |
| 15:39.59 | mtcjayne | Not sure what's going on. It's nginx doing a proxy_pass to an IPv4 apache listening on 127.0.0.1 |
| 15:40.41 | teraflops | Dagger: what kind of ip address is it? you mean a miredo thingy? |
| 15:41.12 | Walakea | my understanding: i plug usb -> it gets mounted -> i have to unmount it by umount? |
| 15:41.13 | mtcjayne | Dagger: was the peer-to-peer bit about me? |
| 15:41.25 | Dagger | looks native to me |
| 15:41.30 | teraflops | mtcjayne: mtcjayne are you sure it's configured properly? |
| 15:41.33 | Dagger | mtcjayne: yes |
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| 15:41.58 | greycat | Walakea: what makes you think it auto-mounted? Is it mounted when you run "df" or "mount"? Are you in some crazy Desktop Env that auto-mounts things? |
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| 15:42.48 | Walakea | i use gnome3 |
| 15:42.54 | mtcjayne | It should be native from the ISP. And I think it's configured properly. I can access it from other machines in the same IPv6 prefix ok, the AIO plastic box my ISP gave me has the IPv6 firewall disabled, nginx is indeed listening on IPv6. |
| 15:43.00 | greycat | Just use "df" to see what is mounted, and umount the things that should not be. |
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| 15:43.17 | greycat | And pray GNOME keeps its stupid little hands to itself. |
| 15:43.21 | teraflops | mtcjayne: then your proxy pass is failing? |
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| 15:43.38 | shanemcd | Hi, is this a good place to ask question regarding debian packaging, or is there a more appropriate channel? |
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| 15:43.41 | Walakea | currently /dev/sdb1 is mounted |
| 15:43.58 | iBdaOGtripleOG | does anyone experience with lftp? |
| 15:44.00 | mtcjayne | Well would the proxy pass be affected by whether I'm connecting to nginx from LAN vs WAN? |
| 15:44.15 | dontknow | shanemcd, just ask |
| 15:44.31 | dontknow | this is a general channel |
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| 15:45.15 | shanemcd | I'm trying to find documentation on the Debian equivalent of RPM subpackages. |
| 15:45.26 | teraflops | if the nginx facing the internet is listening on 2604:2d80:4404:c6df:a00:27ff:fe4b:fe80 it should work |
| 15:45.36 | dontknow | oh! sorry i thought i was in #linux |
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| 15:46.02 | mtcjayne | When I try to curl from another machine on this LAN I see "2604:2d80:4404:c6df:e50d:e6a6:24a5:e15f - - [12/Jul/2017:10:31:07 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 949 "-" "curl/7.54.1"" |
| 15:46.15 | teraflops | mtcjayne: not lan^ |
| 15:46.25 | mtcjayne | Right |
| 15:46.53 | mtcjayne | So I'm thinking it's beyond my allocated IPv6 network |
| 15:46.55 | mtcjayne | subnet |
| 15:47.14 | bs0d | Is there any debian 9.0.0 image for virtualbox? |
| 15:48.08 | teraflops | mtcjayne: why dont you try to avoid the reverse proxy part for now, and check if a simple html is being served from the nginx at that ipv6 address? |
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| 15:50.16 | petn-randall | bs0d: none official ones |
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| 15:51.31 | teraflops | mtcjayne: also https://ptpb.mysticemporium.net/XCjH |
| 15:51.54 | mtcjayne | no dice with that |
| 15:52.05 | mtcjayne | I never did an nmap. didn't even think of it. |
| 15:52.18 | teraflops | port 80 is closed |
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| 15:52.48 | towo` | bs0d, http://www.osboxes.org/debian/ |
| 15:53.08 | teraflops | mtcjayne: I just nmap -6 -Pn -p 80 2604:2d80:4404:c6df:a00:27ff:fe4b:fe80 |
| 15:53.08 | greycat | nmap is stupid. It makes up its own terminology that people think means something, like "open" and "closed". |
| 15:53.56 | greycat | If you connect to a port, you can either get connection refused, or connection accepted and immediately dropped, or connection accepted but no response, or connection accepted and a banner, or a timeout. |
| 15:53.59 | towo` | bs0d, but i don't think, it will help your issue (from #vbox) because that's only the disk-image not a complete ova |
| 15:54.09 | Devastator | jessie is giving me a real hard time to upgrade to stretch cleanly :( |
| 15:54.28 | Walakea | which display manager will i have less hassle with if i am on a laptop? (gdm3 or lightdm)? |
| 15:54.51 | petn-randall | Walakea: Stick with the defaults, so I'd take gdm3. |
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| 15:54.58 | petn-randall | "defaults" |
| 15:55.39 | mtcjayne | When I do it everything is listed as filtered. |
| 15:55.39 | bs0d | towo worth to give it a try (assuming that the installer crashes vm) |
| 15:56.46 | Walakea | would Debian Stretch work properly if i used Linux 3.16? |
| 15:56.55 | teraflops | well I cannot telnet to it either, so lets assume something is preventing to connect to it (assuming you have something listening there) |
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| 15:57.12 | spikeyball | hey, did any of you do the LPIC 1/2? |
| 15:57.24 | spikeyball | or Linux+? |
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| 15:58.43 | petn-randall | Walakea: Sounds like an xy question. |
| 15:58.45 | petn-randall | !xy problem |
| 15:58.45 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
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| 15:59.29 | sparky4 | petn-randall: unale to connect |
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| 15:59.38 | sparky4 | petn-randall: i loged out and suspended |
| 15:59.55 | sparky4 | this time the screen was not blank but it seems the system was loced/frozen |
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| 15:59.59 | sparky4 | locked* |
| 16:00.20 | mtcjayne | teraflops: yeah i'm trying to figure out where |
| 16:00.22 | sparky4 | i tried to ssh into it ... no responce |
| 16:01.00 | BluesKaj | ok, fixed the HP printer connection on stretch, changed the detection/search mode and entering the network printer's IP and the hpijs driver helped as well |
| 16:01.00 | mtcjayne | something that only affects hosts outside of the prefix |
| 16:01.00 | hexhaxtron | I got a problem with vsftpd. I get Response:500 OOPS: cannot locate user entry:ftpsecure |
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| 16:01.05 | hexhaxtron | What should I do? |
| 16:01.32 | petn-randall | hexhaxtron: I recommend giving useful info for people to respond. |
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| 16:04.43 | petn-randall | hexhaxtron: Where is this message from? It's also a good idea to provide the message before and after. And if you changed any of the config, it's also a good idea to provide that. |
| 16:05.43 | sparky4 | petn-randall: >< |
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| 16:06.23 | petn-randall | sparky4: Does ping work though? |
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| 16:08.37 | sparky4 | petn-randall: ah i will check when i can |
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| 16:09.31 | Devastator | trying to finish my apt-get dist-upgrade from jessie to stretch, but it is stuck while upgrading systemd and udev, tried to reinstall systemd and got this: http://codepad.org/OYttduEX |
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| 16:30.12 | mtcjayne | is there any way i can figure out where this connection is dropping? |
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| 16:31.03 | ned_- | can i cronjob with command * * */6 * * service apache2 restart ? |
| 16:31.08 | ned_- | Is it valid ? |
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| 16:31.29 | Devastator | great, I can't upgrade udev, systemd, lvm2, nfs-common or initramfs-tools, and I can't clean defunct processes :( |
| 16:31.50 | petn-randall | !xy problem |
| 16:31.50 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 16:31.52 | petn-randall | ned_-: ^^^ |
| 16:32.26 | petn-randall | ned_-: It's technically possible but probably not what you want. |
| 16:32.26 | mtcjayne | ah never mind. the traceroute stops at 2604:2d80:4404::1 which is almost certainly my ISP firewalling IPv6 ports. |
| 16:33.56 | Dagger | mtcjayne: that's the hop immediately before 2604:2d80:4404:c6df:a00:27ff:fe4b:fe80 though |
| 16:34.26 | mtcjayne | i guess i don't know enough to know if that means something else is likely going on |
| 16:34.30 | Dagger | (which presumably is your router) |
| 16:34.36 | mtcjayne | nah my modem is different |
| 16:35.01 | mtcjayne | for whatever reason it's 2604:2d80:4404:c6df:e288:5dff:fee1:xxx |
| 16:35.24 | Dagger | maybe on the LAN side, but it will probably also have a WAN IP |
| 16:35.28 | Devastator | petn-randall can you help me understand why I'm having trouble upgrading udev, systemd, lvm2, nfs-common and initramfs-tools? |
| 16:35.38 | Dagger | or it could have 2604:2d80:4404::1 on lo |
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| 16:36.21 | mtcjayne | hmm |
| 16:36.27 | ned_- | petn-randall ? |
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| 16:37.30 | petn-randall | ned_-: You probably have a problem that you think the best solution is restarting apache with a cron job. Don't tell us about the solution, tell us about the problem. |
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| 16:38.43 | hexhaxtron | What is the meaning of the + (plus) in ls -l? Like: drwx------+ 8 daumie services 4096 Jul 11 16:51 reds |
| 16:38.54 | petn-randall | Devastator: Try "systemctl restart systemd-logind". Source: https://serverfault.com/questions/707377/slow-ssh-login-activation-of-org-freedesktop-login1-timed-out |
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| 16:39.43 | ned_- | * */6 * * * service apache2 restart |
| 16:39.43 | Devastator | petn-randall thank you |
| 16:39.43 | ned_- | * */6 * * * /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 16:39.43 | ned_- | so both are valid i can use one of them ? |
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| 16:39.48 | petn-randall | hexhaxtron: It means there are extended ACLs present. |
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| 16:40.00 | Dagger | or `invoke-rc.d apache2 restart` |
| 16:40.21 | petn-randall | ned_-: So you don't want to tell us about the problem? |
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| 16:40.21 | Dagger | which I'm sure I read somewhere that you're supposed to use over `service`, so I do |
| 16:40.38 | petn-randall | ned_-: 'service' is the init system agnostic version. |
| 16:40.43 | ned_- | i ask if i can cron without dir like /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 16:41.01 | Devastator | petn-randall lots of defunct processes, can them prevent me from upgrading a package? |
| 16:41.09 | ned_- | ok thank you petn-randall |
| 16:41.19 | petn-randall | Dagger: No, that's an sysvinit-specific. |
| 16:41.20 | Devastator | I'm afraid to restart it and it doesn't come back.. |
| 16:41.41 | Devastator | I mean, the machine itself, not logind |
| 16:42.06 | petn-randall | Devastator: Well, can you continue upgrading after that command? |
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| 16:42.47 | Devastator | petn-randall nope, it gave me time out: root@morpheu:/home/fggs# systemctl restart systemd-logind |
| 16:42.47 | Devastator | Failed to restart systemd-logind.service: Connection timed out |
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| 16:43.32 | Devastator | systemctl doesn't output either |
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| 16:43.57 | petn-randall | Devastator: Do you have a live/rescue system to boot from? |
| 16:44.08 | Devastator | petn-randall I guess I can make one |
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| 16:44.22 | Devastator | will you be here in.. let's say 20 min? |
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| 16:44.43 | Devastator | I will be back in 20 |
| 16:44.47 | petn-randall | Devastator: If you're stuck, I'd create a live system, boot into that, then chroot into your installation and try to continue the upgrade. |
| 16:44.51 | petn-randall | Devastator: Should be there, yes. |
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| 16:49.03 | petn-randall | Dagger: Also invoke-rc.d is Debian-specific, too. |
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| 16:55.38 | spikeyball | oy |
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| 17:00.04 | jelly | ned_-, that's valid syntax, but you probably don't want to restart apache every minute from 00:00, 00:01... to 00:59, then again every minute at 06:00, 06:01, 06:02... to 06:5 |
| 17:00.16 | jelly | 06:59 |
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| 17:01.26 | petn-randall | shrugs. |
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| 17:01.27 | jelly | petn-randall, service command still works with systemd, so I guess it's an optimal thing to use regardless of init used |
| 17:01.27 | petn-randall | Do stupid things, win stupid prizes. |
| 17:01.27 | petn-randall | jelly: yepp, that's what I recommended. |
| 17:01.34 | ned_- | ok thanks jelly |
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| 17:02.02 | jelly | serves me right for not reading the backlog carefull |
| 17:02.03 | jelly | y |
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| 17:03.16 | ned_- | i'd restart apache2 every 6 hours because ram is rising by it |
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| 17:03.42 | greycat | I'd move your web services out of the apache process. |
| 17:04.19 | jolt | ned_-: Or you should tweak how many processes apache can handle before it restarts the services by itself |
| 17:04.46 | greycat | *nod* restarts the pre-forked workers, or whatever |
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| 17:05.14 | omenius | I have set my network psk and password in wpa_supplicant.conf and I have set interface options for wlan0 in dhcpcd.conf, but for some reason also wlan1 gets auto connected. Any tips? |
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| 17:07.20 | ned_- | oh ok i will try reduce processes to 6 |
| 17:07.44 | greycat | The number of workers is less important than how many requests each worker is allowed to process before it's replaced. |
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| 17:08.04 | petn-randall | ned_-: What application is apache running? |
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| 17:09.19 | ned_- | just .shtml and owncloud in /var/www |
| 17:10.47 | ned_- | Debian jessie minimalist |
| 17:10.49 | greycat | https://doc.owncloud.org/server/latest/admin_manual/installation/index.html mentions php. |
| 17:10.53 | greycat | So I'm guessing it's a PHP thing. |
| 17:11.30 | petn-randall | ned_-: You either want to reduce the maximum amount of forks apache does, or use php-fpm. This is what I meant with xy problem, by the way. |
| 17:12.10 | vutral | apt-get dist-upgrade doesnt like stretch |
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| 17:12.42 | nkuttler | vutral: did you read the release notes? |
| 17:12.42 | greycat | I moved my MoinMoin wiki from the common, naive Apache2+mod-python setup to nginx+uwsgi with strict limits on everything and memory usage was successfully reined in. |
| 17:13.03 | vutral | nkuttler, whats written in it which could concern me ? |
| 17:13.14 | nkuttler | vutral: all of it |
| 17:13.16 | greycat | unfuc.... sorry, petn-randall |
| 17:13.19 | greycat | but come on |
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| 17:28.12 | br | hi |
| 17:28.14 | br | i need help |
| 17:28.26 | br | The repository 'cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 9.0.0 _Stretch_ - Official amd64 xfce-CD Binary-1 20170617-13:07] stretch Release' does not have a Release file. |
| 17:28.28 | br | wat do? |
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| 17:30.04 | nkuttler | br: put in the cd? remove the cd line from your sources.list ? |
| 17:30.40 | br | both lines? |
| 17:30.43 | br | there are 2 cd lines |
| 17:31.31 | br | ok |
| 17:31.32 | br | worked |
| 17:31.40 | br | thank you @nkuttler |
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| 17:32.09 | Devastator | petn-randall can I try to reboot first? heheh |
| 17:32.09 | br | i installed it via usb |
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| 17:45.21 | Devastator | petn-randall rebooting allowed me to continue upgrading, let's see how it goes |
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| 17:54.49 | omenius | how do I permanently set two different wlan interfaces to use different wpa_supplicant conf file? is the "wpa_supplicant -c file.conf -i wlan0" legit way? |
| 17:56.53 | omenius | also is there a easy way to flip debian minimal (only cli) 180' degrees? |
| 17:57.12 | omenius | the video signal |
| 17:57.31 | teraflops | omenius: are you using plain wpasupplicant instead pf /e/n/i or whatever? |
| 17:57.48 | teraflops | s/pf/of |
| 17:57.55 | jmcnaught | omenius: are you configuring them with /etc/network/interfaces? For each iface stanza you can use "wpa-conf /path/to/conf.conf. Look at /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz and "man interfaces" |
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| 17:58.25 | teraflops | omenius: /e/n/i is quite minimal already^ |
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| 17:58.35 | simbalion | Is there a 'system user' group in debian? I know about the adm group, but is that similar to 'wheel' or is it just for viewing log files? |
| 17:58.38 | teraflops | even NM has nmtui/nmcli |
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| 17:59.43 | teraflops | simbalion: systemd-journal |
| 17:59.50 | jmcnaught | simbalion: adm is for read access to /var/log. There's also staff for write access to /usr/local. Look at /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz |
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| 18:00.08 | simbalion | I'm looking for restricting access to su to root and an administrator group |
| 18:00.43 | omenius | teraflops: I think so, just rasbian minimal install |
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| 18:01.34 | teraflops | theres a group |
| 18:01.34 | omenius | *raspbian |
| 18:01.34 | teraflops | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:01.41 | jmcnaught | !raspian |
| 18:01.42 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 18:01.53 | omenius | jmcnaught: So far I have put my configs in dhcpcd.conf because I was in a believe it would replace /etc/network/interfaces but I just heard thats not true |
| 18:02.19 | omenius | dpkg: thanks, did not know there was own channel |
| 18:02.19 | dpkg | bitte, omenius |
| 18:02.21 | jmcnaught | omenius: things could be different on your distro. please use the channel suggested by dpkg above for support. |
| 18:02.22 | Devastator | do I need to add something extra to /etc/network/interfaces for it to put my bridge br0 up during init? |
| 18:02.31 | br | ok, files in thunar with too much text in them makes files beneath have big gap. how can i fix that? so thunar doesnt show whole name |
| 18:02.38 | Devastator | in jessie it worked, in stretch it is not working |
| 18:03.07 | jmcnaught | Devastator: i have my bridge configured in my interfaces file, can you show yours? |
| 18:03.43 | Devastator | jmcnaught http://codepad.org/rnSS3ykT |
| 18:05.21 | br | how can i make files showing in thunar have less text? |
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| 18:06.44 | jmcnaught | Devastator: can you comment out "allow-hotplug eth0" and try booting again? Also does br0 not come up until you do it manually with ifup? |
| 18:07.11 | jmcnaught | br: i don't use thunar, but it might have zoom controls possibly under a view menu |
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| 18:08.00 | br | i dont wanna zoom in or out, i just wanna make it so the long name of the file is not displayed |
| 18:08.18 | Devastator | jmcnaught exactly, I have to manually do ifup br0 |
| 18:08.50 | armin | processing since |
| 18:08.53 | armin | Wed 12 Jul 2017 08:05:48 PM CEST |
| 18:09.16 | armin | "Spooling job, 97% complete." |
| 18:09.16 | armin | any hint what to do if cups hangs like this? |
| 18:10.11 | Devastator | jmcnaught it seems the problem is a bit more complex |
| 18:10.27 | jmcnaught | Devastator: as in? |
| 18:11.02 | teraflops | Devastator: why dhcp for the br0 iface? |
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| 18:11.24 | br | can i post a link? |
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| 18:11.38 | Devastator | jmcnaught well, it seems there is a race condition going on, let me pastebin /var/log/messages |
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| 18:11.59 | teraflops | try giving it a fixed ip addr |
| 18:11.59 | random_numbers | Is it possible to test upstream kernel to see if a fix works while keeping the default "stable" kernel installed and working too? |
| 18:12.00 | jmcnaught | Devastator: "journalctl -u networking.service" might be enough |
| 18:12.30 | random_numbers | And if said test fails, is it possible to remove the upstream kernel again while leaving the default functional? |
| 18:12.44 | jmcnaught | i think it's because the file still has auto-hotplug eth0. Here an interfaces from one of my systems using DHCP on a bridge: http://paste.debian.net/976178/ |
| 18:12.48 | teraflops | Devastator: also try an explicit auto br0 before the iface br0 inet dhcp |
| 18:12.56 | teraflops | without the dhcp^ |
| 18:12.58 | jmcnaught | br: sure, if it's relevant |
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| 18:13.26 | br | apparently, thunar doesnt have that option - https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=8954 |
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| 18:14.06 | jmcnaught | random_numbers: yes, you can do that. "/msg dpkg kernel-handbook" for a link to a guide on compiling a kernel the Debian way |
| 18:14.17 | Devastator | jmcnaught "journalctl -u networking.service" gives me no entries |
| 18:14.24 | jmcnaught | Devastator: as root? |
| 18:14.24 | random_numbers | jmcnaught: Thanks. |
| 18:14.31 | Devastator | jmcnaught yes |
| 18:14.38 | Devastator | teraflops I will |
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| 18:14.49 | jmcnaught | Devastator: are you on sysvinit? |
| 18:15.06 | Devastator | jmcnaught /var/log/messages: http://codepad.org/YYFZLJMZ |
| 18:15.45 | Devastator | jmcnaught I hope not |
| 18:16.05 | jmcnaught | Devastator: does "journalctl" as root show anything at all? |
| 18:16.11 | pasky | Hi! Is there a canonical way to get a Flash plugin (for whatever browser) installed on Debian stretch? Both https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer and https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer appear out of date. There's no flash package (not even package with a tool to download flash) in stretch. The de facto solution seems to be to bring in deb-multimedia to the system. Is that right? |
| 18:16.48 | greycat | Just use upstream's flash-plugin thing. |
| 18:16.50 | Devastator | jmcnaught yes |
| 18:17.03 | Devastator | jmcnaught want a pastebin of it? |
| 18:17.04 | omenius | Whats up with ability to set static ip in either /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/dhcpcd.conf? Or is it just raspbian feature? |
| 18:17.12 | jmcnaught | Devastator: so what about "systemctl status networking.service"? |
| 18:17.40 | pasky | greycat: What do you mean? |
| 18:17.51 | greycat | omenius: the default DHCP client program in Debian isn't dhcpcd and doesn't read /etc/dhcpcd.conf ... THIS IS WHY YOU ASK RASPBIAN QUESTIONS IN #raspbian |
| 18:17.57 | Devastator | jmcnaught it says it is inactive (dead) |
| 18:18.07 | pasky | greycat: (by "upstream" in particular, but also by "flash-plugin") |
| 18:18.16 | greycat | pasky: DOn't use a deb at all. No deb-multimedia. No backports, no pinning, no other crap. Just download upstream's flash plugin. |
| 18:18.26 | greycat | !upstream |
| 18:18.26 | dpkg | somebody said upstream was where Debian developers download software from. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/developer-duties#upstream-coordination |
| 18:18.36 | omenius | okay sorry, but I was thinking now about debian, I want to know the differences |
| 18:18.37 | greycat | Upstream in this case being adobe.com |
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| 18:19.15 | greycat | isc-dhcp-client is the default DHCP client in Debian |
| 18:19.35 | jmcnaught | Devastator: the whole output please |
| 18:20.16 | Devastator | jmcnaught http://codepad.org/LYBxMV5b |
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| 18:21.01 | omenius | may I ask what is the default dchp client program in Debian? |
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| 18:21.11 | Devastator | dhclient iirc |
| 18:21.22 | jmcnaught | Devastator: networking service is disabled on your system, this is not the default. What is configuring networking instead of networking.service on your system? |
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| 18:21.53 | pasky | greycat: Thanks. Since these are steps I need to explain via chat to an end-user with a notebook somewhere, I'll go with deb-multimedia. |
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| 18:22.17 | Devastator | jmcnaught it was networking.service, but I had a tough time updating from jessie to stretch so something changed during postint of something |
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| 18:22.28 | jmcnaught | !dmm |
| 18:22.28 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
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| 18:22.37 | jmcnaught | pasky: ^^ see above from dpkg |
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| 18:22.43 | Devastator | jmcnaught how do I enable it? |
| 18:22.49 | random_numbers | Is there no Free alternative to the firmware patch ar3k/AthrBT_0x31010000.dfu ? |
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| 18:23.13 | jmcnaught | Devastator: "systemctl enable networking" but you should also check to see what else you configured in the past for networking as an alternative |
| 18:23.26 | Devastator | jmcnaught nothing really |
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| 18:23.39 | greycat | pasky: installing adobe.com's flash plugin is super easy. Just extract the tarball, then copy the libflashplayer.so file into ~/.mozilla/plugins/ (for firefox) |
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| 18:24.03 | iBdaOGtripleOG | anyone have experience with lftp doing ftp with implicit tls? |
| 18:24.08 | greycat | !anyone |
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| 18:24.08 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 18:24.14 | jmcnaught | Devastator: run "systemctl" with no options for a list of all the active units |
| 18:24.20 | teraflops | Devastator: are you already using another network management daemon? |
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| 18:24.37 | greycat | But FTP and TLS have nothing to do with each other. |
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| 18:24.47 | greycat | So, not sure I even understand the question's background here. |
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| 18:25.19 | Devastator | jmcnaught http://codepad.org/W3gAnw1J |
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| 18:26.03 | br | how do i turn off these system sounds in debian 9? |
| 18:26.04 | Devastator | teraflops it was a jessie install with no 3rd party daemons |
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| 18:26.25 | jmcnaught | Devastator: right, so now your system will actually try to use the /etc/network/interfaces file on boot. But you still need to figure out what was configuring networking while networking.service was disabled |
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| 18:27.24 | jmcnaught | br: look in the preferences for your desktop environment. In GNOME it's under the sound settings |
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| 18:27.38 | br | it's xfce |
| 18:27.45 | teraflops | Devastator: same here but systemctl status networking says active |
| 18:27.54 | Devastator | jmcnaught http://codepad.org/TX6yf0YO this is systemctl |
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| 18:28.39 | Devastator | teraflops I've upgraded from jessie to stretch and it wasn't cleanly, so that might be the issue |
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| 18:28.56 | Walakea | i just successfully upgraded to stretch and my gnome desktop works fine, however when i try to log in to xfce4, the screen goes black and then it returns to login screen. |
| 18:28.56 | Walakea | i had partially installed xfce4 before the upgrade |
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| 18:29.47 | armin | uh, funny. printers are not showing up in libreoffice, but do so in evince and firefox... |
| 18:29.48 | jmcnaught | Devastator: I don't know how your networking.service got disabled, but in your list of active units I don't see any other network config things that I'm aware of. Is it possible you did something weird like disabled networking and ran a custom script? |
| 18:30.35 | Walakea | also, changing the TIMEOUT in /etc/default/grub did not seem to do the job |
| 18:30.42 | Walakea | (i set it to 1) |
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| 18:31.21 | jmcnaught | Walakea: did you run update-grub after changing it? |
| 18:31.39 | Walakea | oh, forgot that |
| 18:32.08 | Devastator | jmcnaught no, but I think during apt-get dist-upgrade it couldn't upgrade udev, systemd and gave me a lot of connection timed out on systemd's services, that could be it |
| 18:32.19 | Devastator | let me reboot it once again to see if it works |
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| 18:34.26 | Devastator | ok, works now |
| 18:35.27 | jmcnaught | Devastator: it's strange that networking.service was disabled for you. systemctl is not the only command that can disable a service, update-rc.d still works too. Anyways, good you got it working |
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| 18:36.39 | teraflops | Devastator: may I ask why you tell the bridge to get ip address via dhcp? |
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| 18:39.03 | PflasterMann | Hey! Does anyone know how to filter out only the ACTION=="add" events from `udevadm monitor`? |
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| 18:39.36 | random_numbers | Are .dfu files full firmware or just patches? |
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| 18:40.52 | sparky4 | petn-randall: ok any idea what is causing it before i suspend? |
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| 18:42.52 | erika4|dinky4 | petn-randall this is sparky4 on my IBM Thinkpad 600e running FreeDOS and using irc jr |
| 18:43.44 | pasky | jmcnaught: I know, that's why I double-checked there's no Debian proper solution. |
| 18:43.51 | erika4|dinky4 | brb |
| 18:43.59 | pasky | (which doesn't include explaining how to extract tarballs to end users) |
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| 18:44.24 | greycat | You think editing sources.list is easier than "paste these tar, cp, rm commands"? |
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| 18:44.48 | greycat | Not to mention the long-term breakage of having dmm as a source. |
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| 18:45.41 | jmcnaught | https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ seems to offer an APT repo actually. I'd still probably rather use a tarball. That site should also provide instructions after the download |
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| 18:50.01 | pasky | Probably not, if I tried it myself on a local computer first. I was able to provide dmm instructions without further testing and it worked. I just wish Debian's flash packages would have made it to stretch. |
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| 18:50.02 | greycat | (Also, downloading and copying libflashplayer.so doesn't require root at any point.) |
| 18:50.56 | jmcnaught | also, now you get to help people fix their systems when dmm breaks something |
| 18:51.44 | pasky | :) i've heard about it happenning and know it's frowned upon, but to be honest in 10 years it never happenned to me personally |
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| 18:57.36 | Walakea | i tried reinstalling xfce4 packages but it still does not work, does it have to do with GDM3 and wayland? |
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| 18:59.46 | teraflops | I dont think it has nothing to do with it |
| 19:00.17 | jmcnaught | Walakea: can you find the logs for your Xorg session? If you're using GDM and root-less Xorg they could be in ~/.local/share/xorg or if not in /var/log/Xorg.0.log (unless xfce4 also uses wayland, but i don't think it does) |
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| 19:03.05 | teraflops | lol no, iirc xfce4 is not even fully ported to gtk3 |
| 19:03.37 | Walakea | there are two files with time difference about 3 mins so it be it, however i tried running both files through grep xfce but did not found anything |
| 19:04.03 | teraflops | but I believe gdm running under wayland (if that's the case) has nothing to do with the DE/WM you choose to start |
| 19:04.16 | Walakea | so i am not sure, according to the time the file should be .local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log.old |
| 19:04.37 | erika4|dinky4 | debian stretch fails to function after a resume from suspention |
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| 19:06.19 | jmcnaught | Walakea: if you are unsure then do another login, and then make a paste of the file. On the GDM login screen, do both GNOME/Xorg and GNOME/Wayland work? |
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| 19:07.39 | Walakea | https://paste.debian.net/976188/ |
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| 19:08.46 | Walakea | both gnomes work |
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| 19:09.27 | Walakea | note that i am not 100 % sure that this log is from the unsuccessful xfce4 session |
| 19:09.30 | jmcnaught | Walakea: well there are no (EE) errors in that file, and it looks to me like Xorg is just closing its session normally. Is it possible that you are missing components of xfce4? Did you install it with a metapackage, and which one? |
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| 19:11.06 | Walakea | before the upgrade i installed some partial version: the seesion worked with all the plugins and so on however it did not install the default xfce applications. |
| 19:11.06 | Walakea | after the upgrade i removed xfce* and reinstalled the package xfce4 |
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| 19:15.20 | jmcnaught | Walakea: I don't know enough about xfce4 to know where to look for its logs. If you look at "journalctl -u gdm" you can see your logins. With GNOME you can also look at "journalctl --user" but I doubt that xfce4 is writing to the user journal |
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| 19:17.07 | teraflops | Walakea: the xorg log you want is the one from ~/.local/share/xorg/ |
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| 19:18.11 | Walakea | i already provided that one |
| 19:18.38 | Walakea | however the gdm log is quite short with these interesting lines: |
| 19:18.38 | Walakea | Jul 12 20:08:53 debian gdm3[765]: GdmDisplay: display lasted 2.855214 seconds |
| 19:19.11 | Walakea | other than that only messages saying session started by me |
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| 19:23.54 | teraflops | Walakea: and what happens if you do plain startx with ~/.xinitrc or xfce4 as default DE via alternative system? |
| 19:24.35 | Walakea | i never did this |
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| 19:27.54 | jmcnaught | Walakea: or login to xfce4 as a different user? |
| 19:29.13 | teraflops | Walakea: anyway it looks to me that it's not gdm's fault, that's why using startx should help to troubleshoot the issue |
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| 19:30.41 | Walakea | after another reboot, xfce4 works |
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| 19:32.16 | teraflops | with gdm? |
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| 19:32.45 | Walakea | yes |
| 19:32.51 | teraflops | well, the itcrowd approach worked |
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| 19:33.01 | Iridos | wekkm skap a "windows" sticker on it |
| 19:33.46 | Walakea | there is one small thing however, is it possible to somewhere activate numlock and tap to clock (touchpad) in gdm? |
| 19:34.00 | jmcnaught | i wonder what it was, some resource that didn't get released properly? |
| 19:34.02 | Walakea | it works when i log in but not before that |
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| 19:37.19 | teraflops | ,v numlockx |
| 19:37.20 | judd | Package: numlockx on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2-4; jessie: 1.2-7; buster: 1.2-7+b2; stretch: 1.2-7+b2; sid: 1.2-7+b2 |
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| 19:37.59 | teraflops | Walakea: use that thingy but idk if that works in wayland |
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| 19:39.32 | teraflops | Walakea: then enable it in /etc/gdm3/Init/Default |
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| 19:51.20 | erika4|dinky4 | i have noidea where the issue of mine is |
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| 20:02.48 | JyZyXEL | security & stability wise, is it better to run the kernel from stretch-backports Vs manually building the latest vanilla stable kernel via make deb-pkg? |
| 20:03.51 | Walakea | also on my laptop, all the Fn + X keys work except for screen brightness, the system simply does not recognize that key combination |
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| 20:04.15 | greycat | JyZyXEL: it makes no sense to mess around with the kernel without a *reason*. Just use the one that comes with your release of Debian unless you have a specific need for some other. |
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| 20:04.37 | braingain | JyZyXEL: linux kernel is stable for 40 years now |
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| 20:05.16 | JyZyXEL | braingain: but i assume the debian linux-images contain debian-specific patches |
| 20:05.35 | JyZyXEL | and a vanilla kernel might not have all those patches and thus it might not function properly? |
| 20:05.54 | Walakea | i found a possible solution on arch forums but i am not sure how to execute it |
| 20:05.55 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: I wont bothering myself building kernels by hand anymore, unless there are strong reasons behind it |
| 20:05.58 | Walakea | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=56573 |
| 20:06.11 | braingain | Walakea: its always fun to bind them keys by yourself check https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/extra_keyboard_keys or Xbindkeys |
| 20:06.42 | JyZyXEL | teraflops: it's a bit of a different story for a gaming machine |
| 20:06.47 | Walakea | what is the command that listens to all input events? |
| 20:06.51 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: which patches specifically? you meant debian patches? |
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| 20:06.54 | Walakea | mouse + keyboard |
| 20:07.02 | greycat | Walakea: usually it's called X |
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| 20:07.07 | teraflops | xev? |
| 20:07.10 | Walakea | yes |
| 20:07.15 | braingain | JyZyXEL: now you're insulting |
| 20:07.42 | Walakea | yes, i wanted to say that xev does nothing when i press the key combination |
| 20:07.52 | jmcnaught | Walakea: do the Fn keys work in GNOME, but not in xfce4? |
| 20:07.54 | Walakea | Fn + brigthness |
| 20:07.57 | bezaban | JyZyXEL: run debian kernels or build them the debian way |
| 20:08.09 | Walakea | no, not at all |
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| 20:08.21 | Walakea | but all the other Fn + stuff work |
| 20:09.20 | Walakea | i have Asus F555LB |
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| 20:09.33 | JyZyXEL | bezaban: the upstream bindeb-pkg seems to produce working debian packages |
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| 20:10.36 | bezaban | JyZyXEL: upstream or 3rd party repo? |
| 20:10.59 | JyZyXEL | bezaban: upstream linus kernel |
| 20:11.04 | jmcnaught | JyZyXEL: what is the problem you are trying to solve with the newer kernel? |
| 20:11.20 | JyZyXEL | jmcnaught: amdgpu stuff |
| 20:11.34 | greycat | What "stuff"? What isn't working? |
| 20:11.43 | jmcnaught | JyZyXEL: as in, you need a feature that isn't present in stretch? |
| 20:12.11 | JyZyXEL | jmcnaught: oh no no, first i need to get jessie to properly virtualize stretch |
| 20:12.41 | braingain | Walakea: REMOVE ASUS you are worst distributor you are the distrib idiot you are the distrib smell. return to deskop. to our desktop cousins you may come our contry |
| 20:13.04 | erika4|dinky4 | wwwwwwwwwwwww |
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| 20:13.10 | Walakea | :( |
| 20:13.17 | braingain | tupac alive numbr #1 in laptop |
| 20:13.29 | erika4|dinky4 | i have issues with suspend... hmmm |
| 20:14.22 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: I suppose youre aware that the virtualized stretch (aka guest) wont use amdgpu driver |
| 20:14.55 | towo` | erika4|dinky4, are you using binary graphics drivers like nvidia? |
| 20:15.05 | erika4|dinky4 | yeah i am |
| 20:15.13 | JyZyXEL | teraflops: yeah it does, i map the card to it |
| 20:15.19 | teraflops | braingain: are you about to insult any nick here? |
| 20:15.19 | ioudas^working | Anyone familar with request tracker here? I am trying to get custom fields to show up on a ticket. Yet they wont. Any help would be appreciated. |
| 20:15.34 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: ah gpu passthrough |
| 20:16.22 | braingain | erika4|dinky4: when i originally got this laptop i was strugglin with asus acpi as well. did not got it to work. now my friends are asking how to fix this p0s |
| 20:16.28 | jmcnaught | JyZyXEL: oh. actually I have a stretch VM that uses amdgpu, everything is stock |
| 20:16.43 | erika4|dinky4 | ah |
| 20:16.49 | towo` | erika4|dinky4, nvidia and suspend problems are well known |
| 20:16.49 | erika4|dinky4 | it worked just fine in jessie! |
| 20:17.52 | towo` | you can't compare jessie with stretch, another nvidia-driver, another kernel-version == new acpi issues |
| 20:17.56 | jmcnaught | erika4|dinky4: you cannot suspend? or you cannot resume? Are there clues in the logs? |
| 20:18.31 | teraflops | erika4|dinky4: well, suspend/hibernate depends on gpu/kernel/hw combo |
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| 20:19.24 | erika4|dinky4 | i cannot resume from suspend |
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| 20:19.27 | teraflops | and yeah what towo` says |
| 20:19.35 | erika4|dinky4 | the machines turns on but it is 200% locked up |
| 20:19.38 | teraflops | i bet youre not alone |
| 20:19.54 | erika4|dinky4 | i should uninst nvidi kernel then |
| 20:20.04 | towo` | the nvidia linux forum is full of such messages |
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| 20:20.31 | sparky4 | towo`: ! ah |
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| 20:21.38 | erika4|dinky4 | also evolution is broke again. database services sources 5 timed out .. but the suspend issue is more important at the moment |
| 20:22.34 | jmcnaught | erika4|dinky4: how do you fix it when it will not resume? you reboot? |
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| 20:23.13 | erika4|dinky4 | i unplug my laptop forcefully |
| 20:23.16 | erika4|dinky4 | and reboot |
| 20:23.19 | erika4|dinky4 | yeah... |
| 20:23.21 | teraflops | ^ |
| 20:24.43 | towo` | sparky4, ?? |
| 20:24.51 | teraflops | erika4|dinky4: I wonder if switching to tty and then again to gnome works, unless the laptop is truly locked (not even replying to ping) |
| 20:25.00 | erika4|dinky4 | towo` sparky4 is me |
| 20:25.06 | erika4|dinky4 | and on the affected laptop |
| 20:25.15 | erika4|dinky4 | i am using 2 computers |
| 20:25.18 | jmcnaught | erika4|dinky4: you can either look in /var/log/syslog for messages that immediately precede the new boot, or you could look at /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz for how to enable persistent journals and use "journalctl --boot=-1 --lines=50" to see the last 50 lines of your previous boot |
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| 20:25.42 | sparky4 | teraflops: NOPE |
| 20:26.11 | sparky4 | jmcnaught: ok i will look |
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| 20:28.34 | jhutchins_wk | ioudas^working: sales@bestpractical.com |
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| 20:34.51 | Walakea | dmesg says: [ 7.313292] input: Asus WMI hotkeys as /devices/platform/asus-nb-wmi/input/input20 |
| 20:34.52 | Walakea | however that file does not exist |
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| 20:36.08 | Walakea | it does, in /sys |
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| 21:02.48 | tw | Using schroot is it possible to specify extra bind directories on the command line? For example, if I have the chroot config https://paste.debian.net/hidden/283861ee/ , can I somehow modify this to mount an extra directory like ~jenkins/workspace/gitdir-uuid as /build, without needing root in the chroot? |
| 21:03.32 | tw | the gitdir-uuid directory changes for every execution, so I won't know what it is until I'm entering schroot. |
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| 21:05.02 | mandate20 | hey guys, i'm trying to install a outdated driver on debian stretch (fglrx-driver), however, when i go to install it - it's telling me that the package is not available and referred to by another package but doesn't give me the name of the package |
| 21:05.07 | mandate20 | any way to retrieve this information? |
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| 21:05.43 | towo` | you can't install fglrx in stretch |
| 21:05.54 | jmcnaught | mandate20: fglrx-driver was dropped because it's no longer developed upstream, and is incompatible with the version of Xorg in stretch |
| 21:05.57 | towo` | and btw, fglrx is dead and for sure not needed |
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| 21:06.20 | klys | unless I'm using the card it works with |
| 21:06.25 | Guest87034 | hey |
| 21:06.26 | sidetracking | was about to scrap debian |
| 21:06.29 | sidetracking | couldn't install anything |
| 21:06.31 | Guest87034 | i am new to kali |
| 21:06.37 | sidetracking | bunch of pwned dependencies |
| 21:06.50 | sidetracking | nothing fixed it |
| 21:06.56 | sidetracking | read errything |
| 21:07.00 | towo` | Guest87034, wrong channel |
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| 21:07.05 | sidetracking | still couldn't fix it |
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| 21:07.17 | towo` | sidetracking, aha |
| 21:07.17 | jmcnaught | sidetracking: "/msg dpkg bat" for troubleshooting information to provide if you would like some help. Also please don't hit <enter> every couple of words, when it gets busy it makes you hard to follow |
| 21:07.19 | sidetracking | tried installing something with aptitude |
| 21:07.31 | sidetracking | "would you like to fix literally everything?" |
| 21:07.34 | sidetracking | >yes |
| 21:07.38 | sidetracking | >it just werks |
| 21:07.40 | sidetracking | nice |
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| 21:07.46 | Shawn|i7-720QM | howdy |
| 21:08.12 | mandate20 | jmcnaught: Any replacements? What should I install in it's place? |
| 21:08.22 | Shawn|i7-720QM | what do the 3 different images represent? https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 21:08.22 | towo` | the free radeon driver |
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| 21:08.30 | jmcnaught | mandate20: presumably it is already working with the free radeon driver |
| 21:08.43 | sidetracking | jmcnaught i dont need any help and i will smash the enter button when i feel like it |
| 21:08.53 | towo` | mandate20, only firmware-amd-graphics is needed for propper working |
| 21:09.09 | sidetracking | im sorry but thats the lifestyle i live |
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| 21:09.12 | sidetracking | straight up lavish |
| 21:09.20 | towo` | sidetracking, play elsewhere |
| 21:09.23 | jmcnaught | sidetracking: this is a support channel, not a rant channel. If you need help ask a detailed question and provide the troubleshooting information requested |
| 21:09.32 | mandate20 | towo: thanks let's hope it has an opencl directory or something |
| 21:10.36 | sidetracking | jmcnaught im praising debian and aptitude |
| 21:10.37 | klys | this is an agp ati card on an amd mp system, p.sure it needs fglrx |
| 21:10.41 | sidetracking | you don't have to listen |
| 21:10.46 | jmcnaught | mandate20: there is mesa-opencl-icd. lots of other packages with opencl in the name you could check too |
| 21:11.18 | aataca | Hey, need some help with grep (or possible find/awk), I need to focus on a directory with a bunch of files, and i need to find certain lines (a pattern) in all of those files, then output the results to another file, but I need to do that file by file, meaning I don't want a large file as a list of results, I need a new file that just has the results of what was found, does that make sense? also, if you're knowledable enough, I need the new files to be |
| 21:11.18 | aataca | named the same as their source, but they will be outputted in a separate directory |
| 21:11.52 | jmcnaught | sidetracking: please use #debian-offtopic for non-support discussions |
| 21:12.10 | towo` | klys, if it works with fglrx, it works with radeon |
| 21:12.16 | sidetracking | but its not off topic |
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| 21:12.47 | Shawn|i7-720QM | anyone? |
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| 21:13.54 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: the first DVD contains the most used packages, the second one less used packages, the third least frequently used. Most people use the small netinst image, and it downloads the necessary packages from a network mirror (instead of copying from the disc), this almost always results in less downloading over all |
| 21:14.21 | aataca | anyone know a better channel for my question |
| 21:14.28 | Shawn|i7-720QM | which one is recommended for installing most faster? |
| 21:14.30 | aataca | aka room |
| 21:15.01 | towo` | Shawn|i7-720QM, the netinstall |
| 21:15.23 | Shawn|i7-720QM | is that the first one? |
| 21:15.27 | towo` | no |
| 21:15.28 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso unless you need non-free firmwares |
| 21:15.43 | jmcnaught | aataca: you could try #bash |
| 21:15.54 | Shawn|i7-720QM | will it work on a 6400 series scsi controller card? |
| 21:16.11 | Shawn|i7-720QM | the card complains about needing a firmware upgrade |
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| 21:16.43 | Brigo | aataca, #bash |
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| 21:17.02 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: if you refer to the Debian install manual there is a chapter on how to deal with missing firmwares during the upgrade. That chapter has a link to a netinst image that contains most (but not all) available firmwares |
| 21:17.16 | Shawn|i7-720QM | ahh nice |
| 21:17.20 | mandate20 | jmcnaught: receiving this error: https://pastebin.com/aHAKjn0s |
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| 21:17.29 | Shawn|i7-720QM | so its a good thing I'm going to try debian on it |
| 21:17.48 | jmcnaught | mandate20: when you do� |
| 21:18.07 | mandate20 | jmcnaught: Well, not sure which headers are required to install |
| 21:18.08 | Shawn|i7-720QM | the server I'm using is a netburst ProLiant ML350 G4P |
| 21:18.38 | jmcnaught | mandate20: it looks like you are compiling something from source? Install what? All of the clairvoyants are on vacation. Also don't compile software as root |
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| 21:19.12 | towo` | mandate20, apt-cache search opencl dev |
| 21:19.18 | mandate20 | jmcnaught: I'll get back to you shortly after some more testing |
| 21:19.20 | mandate20 | thanks towo |
| 21:19.39 | towo` | mandate20, then you yuo have enaugh choices |
| 21:19.55 | Shawn|i7-720QM | I would like to work with it from this computer, so I dont have to keep running between rooms |
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| 21:20.04 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: if that server works with other distros of Linux, it will work with Debian. If it requires a non-free firmware, it's possible to deal with that during the installation |
| 21:20.21 | towo` | mandate20, and the question from jmcnaught was about "you get this masseage when you do what?" |
| 21:20.29 | Shawn|i7-720QM | is there a way to find out if its nonfree or free? |
| 21:20.55 | towo` | mandate20, paste without any kontext is absolute useless |
| 21:21.03 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: research the hardware online |
| 21:21.22 | towo` | i would use the non-free netinstall image |
| 21:21.31 | mandate20 | towo: I understand and agree, Need to test a few things first |
| 21:21.33 | Shawn|i7-720QM | I did, not finding much |
| 21:21.38 | mandate20 | thanks for the input (towo and jmc) |
| 21:21.40 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: if you can get the PCI-ID for the device "lspci -nn" then you can look it up on http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 21:21.42 | towo` | then the chances are higher, that it will work |
| 21:22.17 | Shawn|i7-720QM | I tried booting lubuntu 17.04 on it, kept getting nmi watchdog soft lockupo on cpu #0 for 23 seconds |
| 21:22.22 | Shawn|i7-720QM | *lockup |
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| 21:23.10 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: i would read the Debian install manual and then try installing, maybe you won't have any issues at all, but if you do you can ask for help here: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 21:23.30 | Shawn|i7-720QM | jmcnaught, I just downloaded the netinstall you linkedmeto |
| 21:23.46 | Shawn|i7-720QM | *linked me to |
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| 21:25.18 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: cool, if you don't read the entire manual make sure to look at 6.4 Loading Missing Firmware |
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| 21:27.17 | Shawn|i7-720QM | ooh has an option to install with speech synthesis, the server doesn't have audio hardware though |
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| 21:31.00 | Shawn|i7-720QM | PCI audio card wont fit in a PCI-X system |
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| 21:33.52 | br | how do i disable loud beep in xfce? it happens everytime i press delete on keyboard |
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| 21:39.27 | th0r | br: try this 'xset b off ' |
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| 21:39.59 | br | ok, works for now |
| 21:40.23 | br | its scared the crap out of me just now |
| 21:40.23 | br | such an annoying sound |
| 21:40.23 | th0r | br: you can always put it in a small script and add it to 'Session and Startup' |
| 21:40.35 | br | wait, it restarts everytime i turn on my laptop? |
| 21:41.29 | th0r | br: detailed info here...https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/how-to-disable-system-bell-in-debian-9-stretch-xfce-4175608842/ |
| 21:41.35 | br | thank you! |
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| 21:45.52 | Shawn|i7-720QM | well, debian doesn't want to boot |
| 21:46.26 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: what does it do instead? |
| 21:46.42 | Shawn|i7-720QM | does rufus break debian distros? |
| 21:47.05 | jmcnaught | yes |
| 21:47.05 | Shawn|i7-720QM | thats the only efficient way I have to install an operating system to the server |
| 21:47.05 | jmcnaught | !rufus |
| 21:47.05 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 21:48.05 | Shawn|i7-720QM | ah |
| 21:48.06 | Shawn|i7-720QM | are there usb net install disks? |
| 21:48.06 | Shawn|i7-720QM | an unetbootin |
| 21:48.06 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: if you have another Linux computer you can simply use "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX" to copy the image to USB. The image is already partitioned, so make sure you copy to the device, not a partition |
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| 21:48.10 | Shawn|i7-720QM | I dont have another linux computer running |
| 21:48.31 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: then "/msg dpkg win32diskimager" and use that |
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| 21:48.54 | br | ok, that worked perfectly @th0r thanks once again |
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| 21:49.20 | th0r | br: :) |
| 21:49.36 | Shawn|i7-720QM | using unetbootin |
| 21:50.05 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: that breaks things too⦠please follow the directions provided. |
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| 21:50.22 | Brigo | !UNetbootin |
| 21:50.23 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
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| 21:51.30 | Shawn|i7-720QM | facepalms |
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| 21:51.44 | Shawn|i7-720QM | why is debian so stubborn |
| 21:51.57 | Shawn|i7-720QM | dog gone stubborn |
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| 21:53.02 | ZSky | if I do a script.sh "cd /blah/ (newline) cat blah1 blah2" it works |
| 21:53.09 | Shawn|i7-720QM | I thought unetbootin was the officially supported way to make a usb net install disk |
| 21:53.13 | ZSky | but at the end it goes back to where I was initially |
| 21:53.18 | ZSky | and it doesn't stay in /blah/ |
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| 21:53.19 | ZSky | why? |
| 21:54.53 | Shawn|i7-720QM | they failed to label which download is for usb https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd |
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| 21:55.56 | Shawn|i7-720QM | they tell you what you can do and ommit the Download USB disk here, or Download cd image here pointers |
| 21:56.04 | Shawn|i7-720QM | *usb disk image |
| 21:56.07 | ZSky | why, if there is a cd /blah/ in a script.sh, it doesn't stay there after the script has finished? |
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| 21:57.46 | Shawn|i7-720QM | Please...somebody? |
| 21:57.55 | ZSky | Please...somebody? (too) |
| 21:58.15 | Shawn|i7-720QM | they are probably wallowing in laughter |
| 21:58.37 | Shawn|i7-720QM | in their pride of knowing this secret |
| 21:58.53 | th0r | Shawn|i7-720QM: I just reinstalled Jessie on my laptop yesterday. I just downloaded cd1 and copied it to a usb drive, then boot off the drive |
| 21:58.56 | Shawn|i7-720QM | that prevents me from downloading the correct format distro |
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| 22:00.18 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: it's not clear what your question is |
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| 22:01.11 | Shawn|i7-720QM | facepalms |
| 22:01.36 | Shawn|i7-720QM | on this page...https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd... they dont point to which amd64 image is usb format or small cd iso format |
| 22:01.48 | peterrooney | ZSky: because it's done in the context of a script, not the shell that calls it. If you tell your secretary to go pick up a hammer at Home Depot, should you find yourself in Home Depot? 90% chance you're running bash (and no bash script should have .sh extension), so maybe /join #bash ? |
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| 22:03.43 | th0r | Shawn|i7-720QM: usb and cd are the same iso...there isn't one for usb and another for cd. All you need to do is download the iso for your cpu |
| 22:04.22 | Shawn|i7-720QM | headdesks |
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| 22:05.17 | Iridos | Shawn|i7-720QM, they are hybrid images⦠|
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| 22:06.17 | Shawn|i7-720QM | ah |
| 22:06.17 | Iridos | dpkg, usb install |
| 22:06.17 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
| 22:06.17 | Shawn|i7-720QM | so one of those 2 amd64 options can be used in win32disk imager? |
| 22:06.52 | jmcnaught | peterrooney: what's wrong with using the .sh extension? |
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| 22:09.33 | peterrooney | jmcnaught: from http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FullBashGuide : "...please refrain from giving scripts a .sh extension. It serves no purpose, and it's completely misleading (since it's going to be a bash script, not an sh script)." |
| 22:10.36 | peterrooney | remembers first reading lhunath's bash guide |
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| 22:10.48 | HeinzBoettjer | are there .torrent avaible for 8.0.0 on debian.org? (in my case for source but also more if exist) |
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| 22:10.54 | Shawn|i7-720QM | the top download isn't even a img file |
| 22:11.07 | foul_owl | Is ksplice part of Debian currently? 8 and 9? |
| 22:11.38 | jmcnaught | peterrooney: thanks i'll take a look. I often name my scripts in /usr/local/bin with .sh just in case I've accidentally chosen a name that is also used by a binary from a package that I might install at a later date |
| 22:12.20 | Iridos | Shawn|i7-720QM, as far as I know any should do⦠but I'm not installing much netinstall definitely⦠and that's the smallest download (asl all packages out of the base system are installed directly from the net) |
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| 22:13.09 | Iridos | generally netinstall makes the most sense if the computer you install will have internet during the install (so⦠laptops with only wireless that needs firmware might be an exception) |
| 22:14.26 | peterrooney | jmcnaught: apt-file is a good way of making sure your potential name doesn't have any conflicts, i.e. "apt-file search scriptname" and see if it returns anything or not. |
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| 22:15.18 | peterrooney | jmcnaught: that only covers the current release, not future releases, so you may have to automate a test to be done before upgrades |
| 22:15.26 | jmcnaught | peterrooney: yeah but with my convention I don't have to worry about future packages after a release upgrade. Thanks though, I'm going to reconsider how I do it |
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| 22:18.12 | peterrooney | jmcnaught: just experimented; apt-file returns true even if there's no package matching the file. means a test script is going to be more than a for-loop |
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| 22:20.07 | Shawn|i7-720QM | nice to see the manual is just as vague as you folks... |
| 22:20.28 | Iridos | peterrooney, yeah, I read the bash faq on that, too⦠it still seems to make sense to name small, self-written scripts ".sh" to signal "hey, it's a bash script and easily edited" |
| 22:20.54 | jmcnaught | peterrooney: well this is just my convention for simple scripts for repetitive tasks on one or two systems and I don't have that many. If I were to release a script to the wild, I would not use the .sh extension |
| 22:20.59 | Iridos | dunno⦠I see the arguments about it ⦠|
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| 22:21.37 | Iridos | Shawn|i7-720QM, what's the problem. Take the netinstall ⦠CD1 if you think you are not going to have internet on the new machine |
| 22:21.43 | Iridos | anyway, gnight |
| 22:22.03 | Shawn|i7-720QM | there is an ethernet connection on that server |
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| 22:22.12 | Shawn|i7-720QM | I want to use netinstall |
| 22:22.16 | Shawn|i7-720QM | I was told to |
| 22:24.23 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: so you download http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.0.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso then use win32diskimager to copy that image to your USB stick, then if you run into errors or warning during the installation ask for assistance |
| 22:24.49 | Shawn|i7-720QM | jmcnaught, win32disk imager is looking for .img, not iso |
| 22:26.29 | Shawn|i7-720QM | write sucessfull o.o |
| 22:26.38 | Shawn|i7-720QM | I wonder how baldy it mangled it |
| 22:26.40 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: change the file's extension in explorer, or in win32diskimager's file open dialogue tell it to show all files |
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| 22:26.53 | themill | so change that |
| 22:26.55 | Shawn|i7-720QM | an .img native prgram writing an iso... |
| 22:27.04 | Shawn|i7-720QM | *program |
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| 22:29.17 | themill | .img is meaningless |
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| 22:31.36 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: Debian images are hybrid, meaning that they work if burned to CDROM (they're an ISO) or equally well if copied to a USB stick or HDD |
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| 22:31.44 | Shawn|i7-720QM | its trying to boot |
| 22:32.01 | Shawn|i7-720QM | not moving past the graphical install option |
| 22:32.01 | Shawn|i7-720QM | screen |
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| 22:32.07 | Shawn|i7-720QM | oh |
| 22:32.19 | Shawn|i7-720QM | thats why they retort the same iso |
| 22:32.19 | Shawn|i7-720QM | on both pages |
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| 22:33.28 | Shawn|i7-720QM | what the hell? |
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| 22:33.52 | Shawn|i7-720QM | debhelper, what was that for? |
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| 22:34.30 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: it thought you were flooding. "/msg dpkg enter" |
| 22:34.50 | Shawn|i7-720QM | oh good grief |
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| 22:35.18 | themill | Not using enter as punctuation helps. |
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| 22:35.26 | Shawn|i7-720QM | thats what I call flooding |
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| 22:36.20 | Shawn|i7-720QM | I may have to use a text mode install of debian |
| 22:36.37 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: that's fine, both modes ask the exact same questions |
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| 22:36.45 | Shawn|i7-720QM | debian's graphical installer seems to not support rage xl graphics chipset |
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| 22:36.57 | Shawn|i7-720QM | ah |
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| 22:49.26 | Shawn|i7-720QM | I tried both graphical install and the install option under it, only black screen |
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| 22:53.46 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: "the install option under it" is that the default "Install" option? |
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| 22:54.04 | Shawn|i7-720QM | no, not default |
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| 22:54.22 | Shawn|i7-720QM | its just "Install", under "Graphical Install" |
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| 22:56.24 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: ahh okay. ignore the graphical option. The one labeled "Install" gives you a black screen, how long did you wait for? Is there any disk activity? |
| 22:57.00 | Shawn|i7-720QM | yes from the usb drive |
| 22:57.08 | jmcnaught | it shouldn't take very long from hitting <enter> on "Install" from the boot menu to get to the language selection screen |
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| 22:58.17 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: if you try using alt+f1 or alt+f4 does anything display? |
| 22:59.13 | Shawn|i7-720QM | while its trying to boot from "Install"? |
| 22:59.20 | jmcnaught | yes |
| 22:59.28 | Shawn|i7-720QM | okay will try |
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| 23:05.06 | Shawn|i7-720QM | jmcnaught, I get nothing when I try |
| 23:05.18 | Shawn|i7-720QM | jmcnaught, should I try to figure out iLo? |
| 23:07.36 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: uhhmm⦠i guess you could but that will be outside of the scope of this channel. You said earlier that other Linux distros successfully booted on this system? |
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| 23:08.36 | Shawn|i7-720QM | well when it came to me, one of em had ubuntu 14.04 in text mode |
| 23:08.48 | Shawn|i7-720QM | and the other had centrix or something |
| 23:08.50 | Shawn|i7-720QM | *Centos |
| 23:09.35 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: so presumably you will be able to get the Debian installer to work. You used win32diskimager to prepare the USB stick? |
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| 23:10.06 | Shawn|i7-720QM | yes |
| 23:10.25 | Shawn|i7-720QM | I let win32disk imager raw mangle it onto a 2GB usb drive |
| 23:11.29 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: you could try the USB stick in another computer, or try another USB stick. You should also try searching online for the model of the computer, and see if others have had this problem |
| 23:11.57 | Shawn|i7-720QM | I'm couldn't find much for ML350 G4P servers on forums |
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| 23:13.03 | Shawn|i7-720QM | *I couldn't |
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| 23:14.25 | erika4|dinky4 | ok uopdate |
| 23:14.27 | erika4|dinky4 | the destination host is unreachable on the locked state |
| 23:14.56 | jmcnaught | erika4|dinky4: please provide more context |
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| 23:15.15 | erika4|dinky4 | thats whn i ping the unable to resume suspend laptop of mine |
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| 23:15.55 | jmcnaught | when you ping it from another computer, and the error included the words "locked state"? |
| 23:16.07 | erika4|dinky4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.24 | erika4|dinky4 | the ping on the other computer said "host not reachable" |
| 23:16.28 | jmcnaught | erika4|dinky4: did you look in your logs? |
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| 23:17.05 | erika4|dinky4 | i been looking but it seems to stop logging when it resumed from suspend |
| 23:17.19 | jmcnaught | erika4|dinky4: where did you look? |
| 23:17.44 | erika4|dinky4 | i actually do not know where specifically so /var/log and jounralctrl |
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| 23:19.09 | jmcnaught | erika4|dinky4: by default journald is not persistent, it only keeps journals in memory which are lost after a reboot. If you are looking in /var/log, look at syslog or messages, find where in that file the most recent boot starts, and look above that |
| 23:19.32 | erika4|dinky4 | ok |
| 23:20.06 | jmcnaught | erika4|dinky4: syslog is timestamped, so jot down the time that you suspend/resume, then after the computer crashes and boots back up, look for that time in syslog |
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| 23:22.45 | erika4|dinky4 | ok |
| 23:23.00 | erika4|dinky4 | it looks to be wlan1 which is wifi... oh damn |
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| 23:27.28 | th0r | erika4|dinky4: the raspberry pi had an issue where the wifi would go to sleep after a period of inactivity. All I had to do was add an option to the module for the wifi to disable sleep. I doubt the pi info will help with your computer wifi, but it might be worth looking into the sleep mode on your wifi card. |
| 23:28.26 | jmcnaught | erika4|dinky4: can you show us that part of your logs? |
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| 23:28.50 | erika4|dinky4 | yeah give me a sec |
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| 23:31.14 | sparky4 | jmcnaught: wait |
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| 23:35.16 | Shawn|i7-720QM | all I get from debian's install are black screens :( |
| 23:35.20 | Shawn|i7-720QM | going to try ubuntu server |
| 23:35.47 | erika4|dinky4 | i see libglib |
| 23:35.52 | erika4|dinky4 | traps |
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| 23:39.53 | Shawn|i7-720QM | I even tried expert mode, never moved passed a black screen |
| 23:39.54 | sdk_ | Shawn|i7-720QM: Is Debian installed on the server or you have a black screen during the installation. |
| 23:39.55 | Shawn|i7-720QM | for 20 minutes |
| 23:40.13 | Shawn|i7-720QM | sdk_, whenever I try to boot from the debian disk, after preparing it *properly* |
| 23:40.20 | Shawn|i7-720QM | on usb |
| 23:40.46 | Shawn|i7-720QM | can't even get close to installing debian on the scsi array |
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| 23:41.01 | jmcnaught | Shawn|i7-720QM: did you try the USB on a different computer? Or a different USB stick? |
| 23:41.21 | Shawn|i7-720QM | ive not had a problem with this disk, been using it to install small distros on other computers around me |
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| 23:41.33 | jmcnaught | but for the sake of troubleshooting⦠|
| 23:41.49 | Shawn|i7-720QM | its never given me an issue |
| 23:42.13 | jmcnaught | but one day it will, and that day could be today. at least try it on a different computer |
| 23:42.16 | erika4|dinky4 | i'd rather show entire file |
| 23:42.20 | jmcnaught | process of elimination and all |
| 23:42.24 | erika4|dinky4 | let me upload it |
| 23:42.30 | erika4|dinky4 | i did pm-suspend it failed |
| 23:42.35 | erika4|dinky4 | as usual |
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| 23:45.00 | guest6401 | Fresh installing Strech using netinst iso. When choosing a DE, it installs tons of stuff I don't need (i.e. games, etc.) I think there used to be (tasksel?) that would let you narrow down what is installed. Howto? |
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| 23:45.42 | erika4|dinky4 | i did not see a lack screen but the screen i should see if it resumed correctly. and the entire system locked up. let me upload that messages file |
| 23:47.29 | sdk | guest6401: Hmm I installed Stretch 2 days ago with Mate and it didn't install a tons of stuff with it. What DE did you install? |
| 23:47.44 | guest6401 | sdk: Gnome. |
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| 23:51.38 | sparky4 | jmcnaught: http://beta.latech.edu/~wwc001/messages |
| 23:51.40 | sparky4 | here |
| 23:51.42 | sparky4 | the messages file |
| 23:51.54 | sdk | guest6401: I found in the doc that the package that the installer install is task-gnome-desktop. I just run "apt install --dry-run task-gnome-desktop and it install a lot of stuff... |
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| 23:53.41 | guest6401 | sdk: I' just trying to see if there is a "minimal" version of gnome on install. |
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| 23:55.00 | guest6401 | sdk: What happens if you just select "desktop" a the DE selection menu, and don't select any DE? |
| 23:55.37 | sdk | guest64: You will probably end up in a commandline. |
| 23:55.49 | Shawn|i7-720QM | Ubuntu Server 16.04.2 LTS is installing, farthest I have gotten with linux on this box personally, in my month of having it |
| 23:55.53 | Shawn|i7-720QM | 2nd month |
| 23:56.51 | guest6401 | Yeah, I want X. Maybe I'll try Cinnamon, or MATE. |
| 23:57.45 | guest6401 | sdk: Cinnamon is memory heavy, haven't used MATE in quite a while. |
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| 23:59.14 | guest6401 | sdk: I really tried to like XFCE. But toher than being memory light, nothing to see - move along. |