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00:32.10minthi
00:32.43mintwhats packet i need install for use wireless in intelbrass WBN 240?
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00:49.51SpaceAcehi all. after an apt-get upgrade, imagemagick broke in PHP
00:49.59SpaceAcepecl install imagick returns this error
00:49.59SpaceAcehttps://pastebin.com/iNupznq7
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00:55.14gryhttps://pastebin.com/raw/iNupznq7 is the same paste without the ads
00:57.17grySpaceAce, is there a reason you don't just install php-imagick package?
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01:12.20nvzim on an orangpi and i have a fairly small file i"d encrypted with luks using twofish and apparently my kernel on here doesnt suppor that ciphe, can i compile a module to satisfy CONFIG_CRYPTO_TWOFISH IS I HAVE THE HEADERS/SOURCE? IF SO HOW DO I DO THAT?
01:12.41nvzcapslock fail
01:13.23grywhat operating system have you got on your orangepi?
01:14.03nvzdebian stretch
01:14.35nvzthe kernel has crypto aes but id used twofish on this file
01:15.28nvzi can remember how to compile a whole kernel but not how to just build one module and add it
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01:19.10nvzthe headers a def on here already.. finding the exact souce tree miche be a trick but this isnt really a platform specific part of the kernel
01:20.12SpaceAcegry, php5-imagick doesn't seem to be there anymore
01:20.20SpaceAcei'm not running php7. it's a legacy app
01:20.30SpaceAcei install php-imagick but it's not loaded
01:21.03bazhang,v php-imagick
01:21.04juddPackage: php-imagick on amd64 -- buster: 3.4.3~rc2-2; sid: 3.4.3~rc2-2; stretch: 3.4.3~rc2-2
01:21.07grySpaceAce, why are you not running php7? how did you install php?
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01:23.27SpaceAceincompatibilities with a legacy php application
01:23.39SpaceAcephp5.x is still supported
01:23.45SpaceAceit needs a full rewrite
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02:03.53rxshhello everyone
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02:09.58gryrxsh, hi
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02:14.59quothso i just made the stretch upgrade. It appears there isn't a VirtualBox package yet (there is one in sid). Any idea as to whether one will be up soonish, or shall I just get it from the project website?
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02:15.57dvsquoth, it now depends if someone wants to backport it.
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02:18.09quothfair enough. is the rationale for omitting the package written somewhere? I'm still kinda new.
02:20.16dvsprobably just a matter of timing for the freeze
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02:22.25quothcool
02:22.36quothis off to the virtualbox repo
02:22.48dvs,v virtualbox
02:22.49juddPackage: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; sid/contrib: 5.1.22-dfsg-2
02:23.21dvswait, it is in wheezy
02:23.37dvs!tell quoth about contrib
02:24.14quothyeah, everywhere but the present!
02:24.23quothdvs: thanks, i have contrib enabled.
02:24.35quoth*already
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02:24.49dvsquoth, then you should be able to install it.
02:25.17quothon stretch?
02:25.36dvsah
02:25.43dvsis still living in the past
02:26.19k_sze[work]Has anybody run into an issue where apache2 fails to restart because the address:port is still not completely released after the old instance quits?
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02:27.47k_sze[work]e.g. if you issue /usr/sbin/service apache2 restart
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02:33.31grythen it works on second try or what?
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03:09.48bazhang,v kazam
03:09.49juddPackage: kazam on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.5-1; sid: 1.4.5-2; buster: 1.4.5-2; stretch: 1.4.5-2
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03:11.53SporkWitchkazam? like... pre-bittorrent file "sharing"? lol
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03:12.08dvsbeat kazam!
03:12.58bazhangthats kazaa
03:13.08SporkWitchderp; it's been a couple decades
03:13.15bazhangkazam is a screenshot/capture
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03:23.25allan_windWhere is the official sources.list documented?  I found the mirror list.
03:24.00allan_windalso is deb.debian.org/debian-ports the same as stretch-backports?
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03:24.46dvs!stretch sources.list
03:24.47dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main".  Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
03:25.35allan_windshouldn't the 2nd one be deb.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates ...?
03:25.54allan_wind(and yes, I know dpkg is a bot)
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03:26.34dvsallan_wind, no, security doesn't have mirrors
03:27.01allan_windwhat is deb.debian.org/debian-security then?
03:28.24allan_wind(redirects to http://security.debian.org/debian-security/dists/)
03:28.33allan_windso yeah, my comment still stands, why the inconsistency?
03:29.32dvsAn untrusted mirror could modify security packages.
03:30.12allan_winddeb.debian.org is a redirect cname, so why use that for the 1st and 3rd line but not the 2nd?
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03:30.30dvsBecause it's security!
03:31.16allan_windI am still confused.  Why is in insecure for the other two?
03:31.35allan_windWhy is it NOT insecure for the other two?
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03:32.05allan_windI guess, it's cdn and not just a cname technically
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05:26.26BobBarkerI have installed lldb-5.0 (along with lldb-server-5.0) and having issues using it. I get this error message: "error: process launch failed: unable to locate lldb-server-5.0.0". I googled and setup alternatives so lldb, lldb-server and lldb-server-5.0.0 all point to the proper binary
05:26.31BobBarkerI still get the error
05:26.46BobBarkernote that the package itself seems to install the binary as lldb-server-5.0 (not the lack of additiona .0)
05:27.22BobBarkerlldb-server-5.0.0 works from the command as path of my PATH, but when I type whereis lldb-server-5.0.0 it pulls the lldb-server-5.0 reference (not sure if related, just trying to find reasons)
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05:29.54simbalionEvery time I log in if I start owncloud client or try to access my windows drive it asks for my login password again, it says the keyring wasn't unlocked, can I change that so it unlocks automatically when I log in?
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05:44.26yokisuciHm :/
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06:07.13darxmurfhi all
06:07.26leibnizi must not have jnstalled php properlyis there any specific adjustments that i need to make? i out the phpinfo script in the web directory and it is blank.
06:07.42leibnizwhoops sorry i am on my phone
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06:47.53pragomeri have debian on sda and manjaro on sdb. both installed their grub in their mbr. pc boots from sda so only debian is shown. how can I add the grub of sdb into the menu of debian (sda) ?
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06:52.34Mahepragomer, did you install manjaro after debian?
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06:53.47pragomeryes, after debian
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06:54.11pragomerboth os have a separate boot partition but on different hdds
06:54.28Mahepragomer, then a simple 'update-grub' (executed as root) on the debian system may do the trick
06:54.40pragomerthis is what I thought..
06:54.49pragomerbut update-grub did not find an entry automatically
06:54.58pragomerlet me show you my partitions
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06:56.43pragomerhttps://pasteboard.co/1I2hgv7yN.png
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06:57.20pragomeron sdb its my debian that is running at this moment. on sda is manjaro.
06:57.34pragomersda2 and sdb1 are the boot partitions
06:58.35Mahepragomer, on debian check that "os-prober" is installed and that the boot flag of sda2 is set before using update-grub
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06:59.34pragomeros-prober is installed and boot-flag is set on /dev/sda2 (I checked in gparted)
06:59.53Mahehmm
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07:00.52pragomerso. booting works of course if I choose the different boot-hdd with bios-one-time-boot-menu.
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07:01.05pragomerbut it would be nicer to have it in debians grub menu
07:01.41pragomermmm.. but I could try it the other way arround: trying update-grub under manjaro and see if it finds debian. did not try yet. checking and rebooting
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09:18.40adacHi there!
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09:19.31vltHello.
09:20.04adacIf I place a .conf file in /etc/openvpn/ shouldn't a /etc/init.d/openvpn restart use that file and connect to the server? It doesn't seem to do that actually
09:21.57vltadac: It used to. Now it seems you need to systemctl enable something.
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09:24.02warheadwhere Remmina in Stretch?
09:24.28nku!tell warhead about apt-file
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09:25.10warheadnku, I don't see package Remmina in Stretch...You can to seek?
09:25.15adacvlt, thanks man!
09:26.45jonty@adac, check /etc/defaults/openvpn for a list of vpn's that get autostarted
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09:28.08adacjonty, hmm that file doesn't exists for me
09:28.27adacwould    systemctl start openvpn@servervpn.service  not also start it on boot then?
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09:29.46jonty@adac I'm pretty sure it should be there, I assume you installed openvpn via the package?
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09:30.06adacjonty,  yes
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09:31.45jonty@adac dpkg-query -L openvpn|grep default|tail -n1 shows it should be installed (/etc/default/openvpn)
09:33.01adacjonty, ok you are right it is there. Sorry I was in the wrong tab. Thank you very much!
09:33.23jonty@adac NP
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10:09.58_aeris_hello #debian !
10:10.03_aeris_i have a trouble with debootstrap
10:10.23_aeris_it crash without error or message just after finishing extracting package
10:10.34_aeris_never continue on configuring…
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10:11.23vlt_aeris_: df?
10:11.54_aeris_no space problem :(
10:12.01root__how to change my last nickname?
10:12.07root__root....
10:12.35_aeris_vlt > and the trouble is VERY reproductible on this machine
10:12.47petemcroot__: /nick foobar
10:13.04_aeris_stop exactly after the "Extracting zlib1g" and before the next "Configuring xxx"
10:13.21root__it says nickname already have
10:13.31root__i regiseter my nickname
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10:13.41_aeris_and seems no problem at all if i run it on another folder than the one with my real harddrive
10:13.47grywhat nick did you register, root__?
10:13.53root__zhangxun
10:14.08root__can you?
10:14.35_aeris_https://paste.imirhil.fr/?d6da85b99be4b93a#XJZZ7D5jDO0Vr4bYLqL+RuFh+pjkaovqe7UzxJbSO1w=
10:14.36root__what's is the parameter?
10:14.36vlt_aeris_: So, it works in mist cases?
10:14.51gryyou are still connected with that nick somewhere, root__ ... if you want to switch to that nick, close your other client first
10:15.58vlt_aeris_: *most
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10:16.13vlt_aeris_: What is mounted to /mnt?
10:16.20_aeris_my real harddrive
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10:16.31_aeris_i run the debootstrap on a live cd
10:16.38_aeris_s/on/from/
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10:16.57vlt_aeris_: And where does it work?
10:17.34_aeris_if i debootstrap on /mnt2 for example (no mountpoint here, so RAM only)
10:17.40root__oh, thanks.
10:17.40root__haha
10:18.00_aeris_for /mnt2, process continue after the extraction
10:18.00root__this is hexchat, another xchat is running.
10:19.17_aeris_if i rsync from /mnt2 to /mnt after that, no problem
10:20.18vlt_aeris_: Sounds strange. What does `df -h /mnt` say?
10:20.33_aeris_/dev/mapper/system-root  9,8G  115M  9,6G   2% /mnt
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10:23.11vlt_aeris_: `mount`?
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10:23.19vlt_aeris_: Is there a noexec flag set?
10:23.32_aeris_/dev/mapper/system-root on /mnt type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered)
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10:23.59eilginhi all
10:24.39eilginit seems to me that the link to the latest stable wasn't updated since it points to debian 7.x (see https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/latest-oldstable/). Am i wrong ?
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10:25.18eilgini'd like to retrieve the latest jessie iso. Is anyone have a link that point to it ?
10:25.49_aeris_eilgin > https://www.debian.org/CD/
10:25.53_aeris_iso is here now
10:26.05vlt_aeris_: Hmm, no ideas then. Anything in dmesg/syslog?
10:26.12_aeris_vlt > no error at all :'(
10:27.17vlt_aeris_: `ls -ld /mnt`?
10:27.20eilgin_aeris_ > I know. What i want is a "redirection" link to the latest old stable (e.g. jessie not wheezy)
10:27.24vltI'm just guessing now :-D
10:27.30_aeris_drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 4096 juin  26 12:17 /mnt
10:27.46vlt_aeris_: Looks fine.
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10:34.37nrs_has anyone else had problems with encrypted swap not being activated on boot?
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10:39.32mabynogyyes I saw that maybe yesterday on the chan
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10:49.20awal1chromium doesn't have native support for autoscrolling like firefox?
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10:52.13retro-wertzhi is debian stretch legacy bios compatible? or this is just uefi mode only.  i always needed fix grub using another debian livecd
10:53.29awal1compatible
10:53.58BCMMretro-wertz: works with both
10:54.23awal1can't be uefi only (for now)
10:54.24BCMMretro-wertz: it's just a matter of using grub vs. grub-efi
10:54.33retro-wertzit doesnt seem to work. there is no i368 folder on /boot/grub where normal.mod is suppose to be
10:55.12zubatIt's legacy bios compatible. Had it on my laptop
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10:56.09zubatYeah I got that too with previous livecd. Downloaded the new livecd. All is well.
10:56.55retro-wertznot sure where im wrong then, if its the case. i do manual partitioning though
10:57.10retro-wertzwhich is what i usually do with other disto
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10:57.40zubatOr if you debootstrap it, it's going to work too
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11:00.05jellyretro-wertz: if debian-installer detects uefi, it tries to install the grub variant for uefi.  If it does not detect uefi active, then grub-pc is installed
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11:00.29retro-wertzactually, my bios is set to legacy mode only, so it should not detect eufi
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11:05.55jellyretro-wertz: which grub package(s) got installed, then?
11:06.03jellydpkg -l grub\* | grep ^.i
11:06.03dpkgii  grub\* | grep ^.i                 2.8-5           jelly's private warez collection
11:06.36retro-wertzim not on debian now... brb
11:06.46retro-wertzreboot
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11:10.10BluesKajHey folks
11:10.17forcereconGood Morning all
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11:13.38retrowertzok which of the "grub" should i be looking for?
11:13.50retrowertzi have grub-pc.. is this it?
11:14.21jellythat's the legacy bios one yes
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11:16.03retrowertzbut i386 is missing,
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11:22.14neokuzehi?
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11:22.53neokuzehalo
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11:27.26neokuzehmmm no one chat here :v
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11:27.40yokisucineokuze: huh?
11:28.06neokuzee.e
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11:29.39yokisucineokuze: Sometimes there's activity here, sometimes not. Don't forget that it's early morning or something in the US
11:30.00neokuzehmm okay...
11:30.03abrotmanThis also isn't really a social chat channel, for that we use #debian-offtopic
11:30.19BluesKajne this is debian support, if you to chat try an #debian-offtopic chat
11:30.30BluesKajneokuze,^
11:31.29neokuzee.e and what the ppl talk here? about debian? only.
11:31.37abrotmandebian,debian support
11:31.41BluesKajscuse the poor grammar
11:32.16yokisucineokuze: pretty much debian stable support only.
11:32.36neokuzei see..
11:32.37TTSCHi guys - anyone with experience on getting Vmware Workstation 9 running on Stretch? I have a hell of a time getting it to work.
11:32.37BluesKajneokuze, if you have a an issue with your debian install, this is the place to ask
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11:34.01neokuzeinstalling debian is easy... but i change all permission to sudo chmod +x / and shit my os
11:34.34abrotmanwtf
11:34.39towo^workno one has told you to do that
11:34.45jellychmod +x /  wouldn't have messed up anything really, but let's assume you did something recursive
11:35.21neokuze-R
11:35.22jellyin which case, you can attempt to restore permissions from your backups
11:35.34jellyif you don't have backups... eh, reinstall
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11:35.49jellyafter saving data that you care about
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11:38.10neokuzesudo chown user:user -R / <<< thats i put... idk
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11:40.45jellyneokuze: backup your data, reinstall, and put data back
11:41.06BluesKajneokuze, you probly didn't create a root pw during the installation, correct?
11:41.37neokuzesep i dont create backup i use external drives
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11:54.47adacHow can I force a re-install of packages so all the configs do get overwritten?
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11:56.01zykotick9!confmiss
11:56.01dpkgYou have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted.  "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details).  If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
11:56.05zykotick9adac: ^
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11:56.40zykotick9adac: note config files in ~ are NEVER overwritten by packages
11:56.42jellyadac: are you missing conf files or have conf files in place that you want to overwrite?
11:57.02jellyif latter, !confnew not !confmiss
11:57.13zykotick9jelly: thanks.  adac sorry.
11:57.34jelly!confnew
11:57.34dpkg[confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles.  You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall <packagename>.  See also <confmiss>.
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11:57.57adacjelly, I'm actually not sure but I think there are missing some. Something has gone wrong with my proxmox intallation
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12:00.27jellyif you've installed all the proxmox stuff you've veered away from debian quite a lot
12:00.30jelly!proxmox
12:00.30dpkgProxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>.  It is not supported in #debian.  There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode.  For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support
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12:00.56adacjelly, :/ Ok I see yes
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12:28.03sam0Hello all , I upgraded my debian 8 to 9 and now i got an issue with Xorg launch
12:28.29sam0as I understand its not launched by root anymore
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12:32.36forcereconhey everyone
12:33.06forcereconis this something to be concerned about
12:33.07forcereconCjs-Message: JS LOG: Removing an access point that was never added
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12:33.26forcereconI have hundreds of these in my xsession.errors log
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12:38.34teraflopssam0: do you do startx?
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12:39.07sam0teraflops: before, yes
12:39.14teraflopsI mean now
12:39.25sam0yes
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12:39.50sam0I tried to launch it startx -- vt1
12:40.39txgot some log output you can link to?
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12:41.14teraflopssam0: why? does plain startx work or not?
12:41.25sam0teraflops: its not working anymore
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12:42.13teraflopsso plain startx is not working anymore? sorry for asking again Im just want to be sure I get what you mean
12:42.49sam0teraflops: yes, that's right, when I do startx now, Xorg crashes and my DM (awesome) is not launched
12:43.24teraflopssam0: do you have any xorg log file at $HOME/.local/share/xorg/ ?
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12:43.27sam0as i understood Xorg is not launched by root anymore so I thought my issue is linked to that
12:43.35Brigosam0, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors
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12:43.54sam0teraflops: no xorg in my ~/.local/share/
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12:44.52teraflopssam0: then share the newest one at /var/log
12:45.53teraflopssam0: btw I dont think is related to whom launch xorg
12:46.28sam0https://privatebin.net/?44c5e0b8ea9047be#G5T+BcF97f7YFuNbNAfjKOFil0i72SZhZNdKT6CAzVk=
12:46.31teraflopssam0: likely a gpu driver issue, since you dist-upgrade
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12:47.26sam0teraflops: Its a VM
12:48.04teraflopssam0: is this a VM?
12:48.06teraflopsyeah
12:48.08teraflopsಠ_ಠ
12:48.39teraflopsand is failing because video driver
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12:49.12sam0teraflops: mmmh ok
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12:49.38teraflopssam0: the xorg log is pretty self explanatory
12:50.07sam0I looked at it but I am pretty bad when it comes to debug Xorg
12:50.13sam0:(
12:50.50teraflopssam0: I do not use virtualbox, if you dist upgrade make yourself sure you have the extensions or whatever they are called up to date
12:50.56towo^workand it's even not a complete update to stretch, because you have the old jjessie kernel running
12:51.30teraflopssam0: so fix your vbox stuff then
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12:51.57sam0teraflops: I'll look at it thx
12:52.06sam0towo^work: ah, yes you're right
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12:52.29teraflopsidk if debian does DKMS or have a kerne dependant package regarding vbox
12:52.41teraflopskernel
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13:19.55colo-workhrm
13:20.01colo-workcan anyone explain to me what just happened there? http://paste.debian.net/973361/
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13:20.32colo-workI wanted to purge packages after the upgrade from jessie to stretch. dpkg died on me, and now the information which packages are auto-installed but not depended upon is lost?
13:21.32AlverHi. I'm encountering problems with a Debian ESXi VM (9, stock, up to date) where it will suddenly start using one CPU 100% (visible in the ESXi console) and won't respond to anything at all anymore. No network, no local console, and even watchdog+softdog don't reset the machine.
13:21.54AlverHow can I troubleshoot this? I can't trust my server VMs to stay up anymore.
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13:23.30abrotmancan you tell with top/atop/htop what is pegging the CPU?
13:23.46Alverabrotman: the machine is hung. I cannot do *anything* to it.
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13:24.14Alverabrotman: And since not even softdog/watchdog work anymore, it must work at a level lower than RT kernel processes.
13:25.16colo-workwell, doesn't your hypervisor provide any means to look into this?
13:25.35Alvercolo-work: it can only see that the VM has a runaway CPU core, apart from that, no.
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13:25.46AlverSince the open-vm-tools also don't respond, obviously
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13:27.08dionysus69what was the tool that showed the times for bootup per processes?
13:27.42towo^worksystemd-analyze
13:27.52towo^worksystemd-analyze blame especialy
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13:31.08nikitasiusfolks, where are aws related question channel?
13:31.16portonWhat is the easiest way to replace all occurences of XYZ with ABC and all occurences of ABC with XYZ in a file?
13:32.06simp_nikitasius, don't know, but what's your issue?
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13:54.30dionysus69towo^work: thanks allot
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13:55.12dionysus69any ideas why network manager can take 9 seconds on bootup?
13:56.07nikitasiussimp_: well.. with policies. So i add "AmazonS3ReadOnlyAccess" and i can read the bucket. Next i open this policy "AmazonS3ReadOnlyAccess", copy policy code, create a new inline policy, paste code. Delete attached policy and.. i CAN'T read buckets with SAME code.
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13:58.12simp_nikitasius, what's your resource marked as? http://docs.aws.amazon.com/directoryservice/latest/admin-guide/role_s3_read_only.html
13:58.37simp_it would have to cover another bucket as well AFAIK.
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13:59.03pvoigtI have just upgraded my laptop from Jessie to Stretch. All seems fine so far but I need some advice on Gnome 3.22: Currently I do not have a text console anymore on tty1. Instead I have virtual text consoles on tty2 to tty6. And instead of switching back to Gnome using Alt#Ctrl+F7 I now need Alt+Ctrl+F1. Is this a new feature of Gnome 3 or did the upgrade mess up my system?
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14:00.18jonty@pvoigt, intended behavour, I believe it may be rooted in the move to systemd
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14:00.55sam0mmmh am I the only one to have a "temporary failure resolving *.debian.org" ?
14:01.02sam0when doing apt
14:01.05pvoigtAnd one more point: Whenever I switch from a running Gnome session to a virtual text console e.g. tty2 and back to Gnome, I have to log into Gnome again, e.g. my session is automatically terminated.
14:01.06sam0my resolving works fine
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14:02.04BluesKajpvoigt, a missin TTY1 is not uncommon, it's actually been the case for a few yrs on some distros the few yrs
14:02.07minthi
14:02.23pvoigtjonty: Good to hear.
14:02.24BluesKajlast few yrs
14:02.26mintmy wireless show all network but dont connect in debian 9
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14:02.53pvoigtBluesKaj: Maybe I am too much used to Debian Jessie ;-)
14:03.10BluesKajpvoigt, perhaps:-)
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14:04.00nikitasiussimp_: i used that role yes.
14:04.11pvoigtjonty, BluesKaj: Do you have any idea about the silently and forced logoff when switching back to Gnome from a virtual text console?
14:04.22nikitasiusi want to understand why this doesnt work in inline policy mode.
14:04.45jonty@pvoigt logoff or just screen lock?
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14:04.54nikitasiuslooks like we need to allow get* list* now and block some after, instead of whitelisting inside inline policy
14:05.03pvoigtjonty: logoff
14:05.23Silmarilpvoigt: i don't think you are loged off
14:05.42Silmarilthere are multiple X servers running now
14:05.50BluesKajpvoigt, no sorry i don't run gnome
14:05.54Silmariland tty1/F1 is reserved for the login console
14:06.08Silmarilyour gnome session might be in tty8 or later
14:06.30BluesKajshould be VT/TTY7
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14:06.45pvoigtSilmaril, jonty: You may be right. But if I test right now ...
14:06.47simp_nikitasius, but what was the resource option marked as?
14:07.13pvoigtSilmaril: Ah, tty8, will try...
14:07.25Silmarilpvoigt: and iirc if you log-in on tty1 you are connected to the previously running session
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14:08.22Silmariltry with ctrl-alt-F7 to switch to the ttys and next alt-right to circle to the next console
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14:08.45pvoigtOK, will try to switch to tty2 and back to Gnome right now. Weechat is running in tmux...
14:09.17nikitasiussimp_: what do you mean? which resource option? just a bucket on s3, IA.
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14:09.45pvoigtSilmaril, jonty: Yeah, Alt+Ctrl+F7 brings me back to the running Gnome session.
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14:10.35Silmarilin my case: ctrl-alt-f7 is the login session and ctrl-alt-F2 is the first running 'logged-in'  graphical session
14:10.45pvoigtTo be honest I would like to get back tty1 with the boot messages. Could anybody give me an hint how to achieve this with systemd?
14:10.48Silmarildon't know why ^^
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14:11.22Silmarilpvoigt: well i have absolutly no idea, my knowledge stop here ;)
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14:11.55pvoigtSilmaril: ???, Alt+Ctrl+F2 is my first virtual text console.
14:12.34Silmarili have only tty4 to tty6 available
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14:12.47Silmarilsystemctl | grep getty
14:12.52simp_nikitasius, when you create a new IAM policy to s3, allowing s3:Get* & s3:List* (read only), you also have to specify a resource option, as specified in the docs here: http://docs.aws.amazon.com/directoryservice/latest/admin-guide/role_s3_read_only.html AFAIK, the resource option specifies what buckets can be accessed. If that is wrong, it'll only work on one bucket and not the other, especially if just copy-pasting the policy.
14:13.22Silmarilyou might try enabling a getty@tty1 with something like systemctl start|enable getty@tty1
14:13.54Silmarilor you can try something like here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Getty#Have_boot_messages_stay_on_tty1
14:14.05Silmarildepending of what you really meant
14:14.31nikitasiussimp_: i copied default `{  "Version": "2012-10-17",  "Statement": [    {      "Effect": "Allow",      "Action": [        "s3:Get*",        "s3:List*"      ],      "Resource": "*"    }  ]}`
14:14.40nikitasiusresource - *
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14:15.18nikitasiusit doesnt work as inline policy. but it work if i attach it IN policies "AmazonS3ReadOnlyAccess" - name in the list
14:16.04nikitasiussimp_: i just wanted to say/cry "Why AWS accept that as a policy and doesnt as inline policy."
14:16.13nikitasiusthats strange for me
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14:17.09nikitasiusSilmaril: this is how i ran skype on tty13 https://gist.github.com/nikitasius/cefe4b44e53ed4185d4fe7abf9560414
14:17.14simp_nikitasius, ah, the inline format is probably slightly different, you have to set it up as a separate object, and then use the reference name to make it work i think.
14:17.39nikitasiussimp_: possible. But i was thinking what it should be the same.... hmm
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14:19.07AlverHow can I debug a kernel issue that locks up a machine entirely? Right now nothing gets logged at all. 4.9.0, debian 9.
14:19.19nikitasiussimp_: the idea what i want to put all clients backups in one bucket and i dont want clients look inside the folders of another clients.
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14:22.58nikitasiussimp_: in fact what do you think: create bucket-per-client or keep all clients backup in same bucket?
14:23.01pvoigtSilmaril: Thanks, I have just been reading exactly the same link ;-)
14:23.44simp_nikitasius, I would automate bucket-per-client somehow. Keeping everything in a single bucket feels wrong to me.
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14:25.06nikitasiussimp_: easy to backup i guess. But you right, i will to bucket-per-client.
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14:25.23nikitasiusi wanted to separate rights via policies.
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14:29.20Wotacany theories why my newly installed debian 9 makes a popping sound constantly in my speakers
14:30.35sandman13Wotac: Are you using GNOME?
14:31.09Wotacit's MATE
14:31.13sandman13If yes, then you have your problem. GNOME generates that popping sound
14:31.34sandman13You can disable it though
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14:32.40sandman13Wotac: https://askubuntu.com/questions/61878/how-can-i-disable-the-popping-sound-when-adjusting-the-volume
14:32.41sam0is anybody has an issue with repositories DNS name resolution during packages update ?
14:32.45pvoigtSilmaril: Unfortunately, these attempts did not bring me back tty1.
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14:33.08Silmarilpvoigt: sorry to hear that
14:33.22Silmarili'll try myself but later
14:34.09pvoigtMy USB keyboard is not yet usable in the Grub menu but gets activated later during the boot process. Can I change this?
14:34.18Wotacsandman13: that link seems to be talking about a sound that happens when adjusting volume, mine just keeps happening all the time, is it still the same thing?
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14:35.50BluesKajsam0, are you runing with dns entries in the interfaces file with network manager disabled ?
14:36.41sam0BluesKaj: I have my /etc/resolv.conf populated , no network manager installed and systemd-resolved disabled
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14:38.41BluesKajsam0, actaually you should use systemd-resolved witht dns entries there
14:38.48negevhi, is there a way to invoke apt-get -y upgrade such that it will accept the default for every modified config file?  (ie N = keep local version)
14:39.00negevi'm already passing DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive but that doesn't seem to do it
14:39.17sam0BluesKaj: this thing is resolving with Google DNS servers, so if I can do with something else, would be better
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14:40.06BluesKajsam0, I use my ISP dns servers , they work well in  /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
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14:40.23sandman13Wotac: Well, that's one place to look at. I don't run MATE...
14:41.32mtnWotac, try using pavucontrol to adjust your sound settings and test other sound devices
14:41.33sam0BluesKaj: what if the DNS configuration is pushed by DHCP server (i am at work so i don't have much choice for dns)
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14:42.03nikitasiussimp_: finally yes. Bucket per user. more simple to rule policies.
14:42.26sam0my resolv.conf contains my corporate dns settings but resolved looks not to be updated
14:43.25BluesKajsam0, perhaps your sys-admin could provide you with better dns nameservers than google
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14:43.47nikitasiusBluesKaj: some people doesnt want to share their DNS history with google :)
14:43.53nikitasius*dont want to
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14:44.27BluesKajni  tha's not what I'm suggesting at all
14:44.30BluesKajnikitasius,
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14:44.59sam0The weirdest here is that with only my resolv.conf , firefox is ok fetching web content, dig is resolving ok...
14:45.06sam0but apt is not
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14:45.35BluesKajtry a different mirror for your repos , sam0
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14:47.01dionysus69need help troubleshooting why NetworkManager-wait-online.service this is slow at startup
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14:47.09dionysus69how do I figure out which services are asking for it to wait?
14:47.25simp_nikitasius, glad you found a fitting solution. It's often just a lot of trial-and-error until you find the best way :)
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14:48.32sam0BluesKaj: same error with a few different repositories
14:48.37Wotacokay sorry for jumping to conclusions that it would be debian, looks like swapping the positions of the speakers made the sound go away so it was about wires
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14:50.23BluesKajsam0, paste your sources.list at http://paste.debian.net/
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14:51.02dionysus69how do I delay service startup by 1 min?
14:51.14dionysus69libvirtd specifically
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14:51.25teraflopsಠ_ಠ
14:51.34simp_dionysus69, maybe this can help you? https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-January/035524.html
14:51.46sam0BluesKaj: https://privatebin.net/?7ca695a40e4da4c6#JnnHEae5nrtdyvKfSK+ud8kaKhrRkBBihdLs9uZFO54=
14:51.53mizzenCan you sandbox a kernel before installing one ?
14:52.08simp_dionysus69, or systemd timers.
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14:53.58teraflopsdionysus69: youre trying to make a workaround instead of fixing the real problem?
14:54.13dionysus69I am eager to fix the problem
14:54.24dionysus69probably libvirt is causing NetworkManager-wait-online.service to delay for 9 seconds
14:54.38sam0BluesKaj: fairly simple sources.list
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14:54.46dionysus69which causes whole system to hang for 9 extra seconds which is not very smart, this is just a user pc
14:54.47mizzenyou can use systemD's network manager if you want
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14:55.19dionysus69what no I am not planning to resetup whole operating system just to fix libvirt's asking NetworkManager to wait
14:56.38L00tharsystemd
14:56.39teraflopsdionysus69: again, it seems to me that your network is miss configured
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14:56.56BluesKajsam0, are you on stretch, if so change stable to stretch in the sources.list
14:57.06dionysus69one glitch actually. I have multiple ethernet profiles and it fails to select the one that was selected the last
14:57.15teraflopsdionysus69: easy to find out. disable libvirtd and reboot^
14:57.26dionysus69so sometimes it is not set to any, that's why I guess it's not connecting until i manually assign network profile
14:57.45teraflopsso you network conf is broken
14:57.46dionysus69ye i could do that haha, I dont really use libvirt at all i will pretty much delete it
14:57.57teraflopsand yo blame a random service that depends on having network…
14:58.00teraflopsyou^
14:58.08dionysus69how though, these are stock packages, i didnt change anything with respect to gnome or its network manager
14:58.35teraflopsstock packages are not pebcak-free
14:58.41dionysus69I just added profiles for manual network config, one for work one for home
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14:59.07dionysus69ok anyways, I ll delete libvirt and reboot
14:59.08dionysus69brb
14:59.14somiajjust disable the service
14:59.19somiajno need to delete it
14:59.37sam0BluesKaj: Same problem. I think the problem is the DNS resolution
14:59.49dionysus69somiaj: not using it anyways, using virtualbox
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15:00.29sam0BluesKaj: i have to go. thanks for help
15:00.31somiajdionysus69: just so you know, virtualbox is not part of stretch if you plan to upgrade.
15:00.34somiaj,v virtualbox
15:00.35juddPackage: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; sid/contrib: 5.1.22-dfsg-2
15:00.48dionysus69somiaj: I am already on stretch for 1 year
15:00.54dionysus69somiaj: and it works great :D
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15:01.18somiajdionysus69: then the virtualbox you are using is outdated and insecure and won't recive any updates. virtualbox was removed from stretch duing the freeze due to an orcal policy and security support.
15:01.38somiajas I said, virtualbox was removed from stretch. If running stretch libvirt is the better choice at the moment.
15:01.40dionysus69it is 5.1.22
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15:01.51dionysus69how is it outdated heh
15:02.32dionysus69anyways if I noticed it is lagging back, I can just download a package from their website, or I actually dont remember maybe I am already doing that.
15:03.13somiajdionysus69: you can use a local install if you like, just realize that virtualbox is not part of stretch, so be careful. I personally prefer packages from stretch itself and not third party.
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15:04.50dionysus69ye I found libvirt to be very not user friendly
15:04.56jonty@somiaj Virtualbox is in stretch: apt-cache search virtualbox|grep virtualbox-5.1
15:04.56jontyvirtualbox-5.1 - Oracle VM VirtualBox
15:04.58dionysus69one needs to be a system programmer to use libvirt
15:06.02somiajjonty: give me the output of apt-cache policy virtualbox-5.1 on your system please.
15:06.11dionysus69btw, firewall doesnt come preinstalled on debian right?
15:06.14somiajjonty: virtualbox is not in stretch.
15:06.24somiajdionysus69: correct, debian doesn't configure a filewall by default, you have ot make your own.
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15:06.37somiajdionysus69: have you tried virtmanager?
15:06.41dionysus69never realized it until now :D
15:06.48dionysus69yep I meant virtmanager
15:07.00dionysus69still not user friendly, was using space in root instead of home and stuff like that
15:07.04somiajI personally like libvirt over virtualbox and find it way easier to use.
15:07.05dionysus69my root partition is only 20gb
15:07.46jonty@somiaj OK, but not hard to add: https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Debian_9_.22Stretch.22
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15:07.50dionysus69one benefit I noticed with libvirt is that it has built-in headless mode
15:08.17dionysus69whats the recommended firewall
15:08.32dionysus69I find iptables to be too complicated and found using ufw pretty easy to use
15:08.45somiajjonty: sure you can use thrid party repos, I don't know the quality of the one by oracle, but it is not in stretch and not supported here.
15:08.46dionysus69used it only once though
15:09.09somiajdionysus69: why do you need a firewall. In Debian you most likely are not running any services you haven't installed and want to be open.
15:09.27dionysus69somiaj: well at least for a web server
15:09.28somiajdionysus69: iptables is the suggested tool, there are some front ends to it, but in many cases you won't need it.
15:09.38somiajdionysus69: so you want to instaall a webserver, then block the port?
15:09.43dionysus69I have a home webserver which has ubuntu on it and I thought firewall was necessary ingredient :)
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15:10.35somiajdionysus69: in debian you should only install the services you want listening. In more complicated setups you may need a firewall, but for a headless webserver you won't unless you really need to have services listening on ports you want to block from the public.
15:10.38dionysus69for security reasons at least. web server is behind a nat anyways but server still has some ports that I want only to use locally
15:11.16teraflopsdionysus69: if youre behind a plastic router which does nat, people cannot access to your webserver inside your lan unless you explicitly map ports
15:11.17somiajif it is ubuntu you are in the wrong channel, if it is debian, what services are you wanting to run you don't want to have open? Also if you have another firewall (a nat or router) you don't need an additional one on your debian box.
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15:13.31teraflopsdionysus69: if your ISP does ipv6 that's another story
15:13.39dionysus69not really
15:14.23dionysus69i have forwarded only needed ports to server from the wan-router
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15:14.47dionysus69still security world seems vague and scary so I dont know what security exploits are there
15:15.08dionysus69recommendations I read online suggested installing firewall, that's all x)
15:15.26somiajdionysus69: your router will then be your firewall and that is what you should configure. I don't know any ipv6 issues that teraflops hinted at.
15:15.48somiajdionysus69: firewalls are important, but not just somthing you install on every machine. In your case you have one, it is your router.
15:15.58dionysus69I dont really know how ipv6 works so ...
15:16.23dionysus69haha but it is a bundle stupid router
15:16.28dionysus69is it safe ? :D
15:16.39somiajfirewalls can be important and helpful, but they aren't as important as network design and carefuly thinking about what services you are running and who you want to access them.
15:16.43dionysus69it doesnt have "firewall" options, just port forwarding
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15:17.17teraflopssomiaj: if you do ipv6 (depending on your ISP implementation) youre not doing nat and every service/port is reachable on the intertubes
15:17.45somiajteraflops: any newer routers provide a firewall for ipv6 yet?
15:18.05teraflopsthat's up to the ISP, mine does
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15:20.35arminyou can still let your router/firewall block incoming connections even when all your internal hosts have a globally reachable ipv6 address.
15:20.46dionysus69so if I had ipv6 I really had to have a firewall, either on router or on the server itself correct?
15:20.55arminthat's what firewalls are designed to do, actually.
15:22.14somiajdionysus69: I think you need to consider your network configuration (including vms) a bit more as that sounds like the core of your original issue and this discussion if you need a firewall or not.
15:22.40dionysus69firewall is not connected to virtual machine
15:22.41somiajfor a home network, the router acts as the firewall for your network and you configure it to forward the ports you want open to the outside world.
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15:22.53dionysus69just had two different questions :D my home web server is on some old laptop
15:23.04somiajfirewalls are for networks, not indvidual machines, your vms depending on how configured are affected by them.
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15:23.33somiajsome setup a virtual network and run on them. I use a bridge on my vms and they are actually on my home network directly, no virtual network.
15:23.47somiajand then my router is my firewall for my whole home network.
15:24.04dionysus69ye that sounds reasonable
15:24.15dionysus69anyways guys thanks for help
15:24.19dionysus69need to head out  :D
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15:31.10dionysus69https://postimg.org/image/aqnwjljlf/
15:31.26dionysus69still lagging on boot. I removed libvirt and apparently it wasn't its fault
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15:31.49dionysus69does that screenshot point to anything that is slowing down the network manager daemon to start
15:31.54strkis there any way to specify Test-Depend for a package ?
15:32.04strkfor those who want to build w/out running tests
15:32.09strkor is that intentionally discouraged ?
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15:32.55uxerxhey, i've downloaded a Debian Stretch Live CD (lxde) debian-live-9.0.1-amd64-lxde.iso
15:33.01uxerxbut I don't see any option to install it
15:33.40uxerxalso when I try to launch installer from a grub menu, debootstrap reports that it can't determine  release code name
15:33.45babilenuxerx: I'd recommend to use the actual installation images for, well, installing Debian: https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/
15:33.49uxerxi don't have internet during install
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15:34.16uxerxis it possible to install debian stretch without being connected to the internet?
15:34.35babilenSure
15:35.05uxerxthen how I can have the exact look of the LXDE that is in the live image?
15:35.08r4mpageuxerx: oh, those old Debian potato times when you had no Internet
15:35.22uxerxr4mpage, i don't have internet still
15:35.31uxerxi just want to install debian from a downloaded image
15:35.33r4mpageuxerx: and I thought I was poor
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15:36.00r4mpageuxerx: you can, fro your regular "all in one" dvd, the installer scans media to create a list of available packages
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15:36.49uxerxwell , i remember jessie live installer, you just launch a live system and click 'install' icon
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15:37.17somiajuxerx: the debian live isntaller sin't always the same as the offical debian installer. I would just download dvd1 and select lxde during the install.
15:37.29uxerxok
15:37.44somiajfor the most part, the software you need should be on dvd1, you can download more dvds if needed, but I think all the major de's and most common software fits on dvd1
15:37.48uxerxdamn, more bandwidth to spend again
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15:38.05somiajI think there are places you can by dvds and have them sent to you
15:38.47uxerxso my work should be suspended while i wait for dvd to be shipped
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15:39.07somiajI was just listening an option if banwidth is an issue
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15:40.42r4mpageuxerx: maybe you should use Ubuntu, they used to ship loads of DVDs for free. I have a bunch at my home, no one from my university took them. Either they hate me or they do not give a damn fuck.
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15:41.26somiajr4mpage: maybe someplace will ship debian dvd's for free, the price is mostly for production/shipping costs.
15:41.39r4mpagesomiaj: yeap
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15:41.47r4mpageI wonder why he has no Internet though
15:42.05r4mpagemaybe even a USB stick would be more convenient
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15:42.18jellyI wonder why people don't say "gotta run, bye"
15:42.58th0rjelly, maybe because sometimes the network doesn'g give them a chance
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16:01.28SerajewelKSafter the stretch upgrade, the volume buttons on my keyboard no longer change the master volume in LXDE
16:01.46SerajewelKSis this a known issue?
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16:04.05SerajewelKSalso, i'm getting stuttering with pulseaudio but only when using the equalizer output.  none of the realtime options seem to correct this.
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16:09.56jhutchinsSerajewelKS: Most problems with pulseaudio are solved by deleting it.
16:10.16jhutchinsIt'll be nice when pulseaudio matures and starts to work more often than it breaks things.
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16:14.18SerajewelKSjhutchins: indeed.  as usual, as soon as i requested help, i was able to solve both problems.
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16:14.27SerajewelKSasking: the necessary prerequisite to solving problems yourself
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16:15.13SerajewelKSjhutchins: i don't much care for pulse.  i like the ideas.  however, being able to switch processes between my headphones, my headphones via equalizer, and my HDMI monitor on the fly is pretty nice.  you know, when it works.
16:15.56SerajewelKSpulse is still miles ahead of windows, which insists each time i plug in my TV that ALL of my audio be routed to it
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16:18.42SerajewelKSoddly enough, most of the problems i have with pulse are random steam games that can't deal with it
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16:19.04receterhey guys
16:19.19receteris double clicking unavailable in stretch?
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16:19.44SerajewelKSreceter: we're gonna need a lot more context than that
16:19.45receteris double clicking unavailable in stretch?
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16:20.37receterI cannot double tap/click on any folder or titlebar of any window
16:20.46receterdoind so causes me to drag the window
16:20.53receter*doing
16:21.07SerajewelKSreceter: are you using a touchpad?
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16:21.27SerajewelKSthis sounds like either (a) a touchpad driver thing, or (b) an accessibility setting
16:22.06liveHi Debian community, could I ask for help here regarding a dual boot problem/data recovery problem
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16:22.10receterI dont have a double tap setting under mouse and trackpad tab
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16:23.27receteri have uninstalled xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
16:23.33receterand restarted te macihne
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16:25.04SerajewelKSreceter: it may be a default setting of the kernel driver as well
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16:27.35receterokay
16:28.53dionysus69can anyone help troubleshoot this startup lag? network manager as shown in systemd-analyze blame plot https://postimg.org/image/aqnwjljlf/
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16:29.07dionysus69I want to know which service is it waiting for so I disable it
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16:42.45jhutchinslive: Yes, but we'll need much more detail.
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16:43.18jhutchinsdionysus69: Usually that's a problem with waiting for the remote DHCP server to complete the DHCP transaction.
16:43.38dionysus69hmm, what about if I have a manual profile
16:43.52dionysus69doesnt have to wait for dhcp at all in that case
16:44.23dionysus69I have two profiles, one for home and one for work but obviously system doesnt know which one to choose when
16:44.34dionysus69is there a way to fix this situation ? :S
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16:47.21livejhutchins, actually I was dual booting win10 and solus
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16:47.44livebut so far noone from the solus team could help me
16:47.58dontknowanyone here uses kde plasma has shitty login screen?
16:48.31livewin10 ntfs partitions are still recognized in gparted
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16:48.39livebut my linux partitions are not recognized anymore
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16:53.17d0x0bhello, I am not able to boot system, It boots in emergency mode this is my journalctl log file: http://cxg.de/_562a78.htm
16:53.23d0x0bAny help would be appriciated
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17:02.41nrs_has anyone else had problems with encrypted swap not being activated on boot?
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17:03.14livejhutchins, what kind of details would you need?
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17:05.01spacebug^!ask
17:05.02dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:08.03thecatI am installing stretch using preseeding
17:08.11thecathow can I prevent network interfaces to be renamed to ens192
17:08.28thecathow can i keep first interface eth0 ?
17:08.56zleapi think this is a system D thing, so maybe switch to a system that supports system V
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17:11.24nkuttler!tell thecat about udev mac
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17:17.04sypherzleap: That's hardly a good solution.
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17:17.16sypherthecat: Add "net.ifnames=0" to the kernel line in GRUB.
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17:18.28sypherthecat: Further information: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
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17:24.46mabynogyinteresting sypher so bye bye eth0
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17:25.05zykotick9mg2> alsamixer
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17:26.03mrr0buttwithout "net.ifnames=0" network-manager fail to autenthification when trying to connect accesspoint for me
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17:26.24sypherProbably because it's looking for an interface that doesn't exist.
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17:30.56mrr0buttthe new style iface names for pci devices are aceptable but with usb devices its getting rly ridicules :D
17:31.05mrr0butte.g wlxec086b1d8217
17:31.22mrr0buttthis is longer then the mac adress
17:31.51raphasudo sh -c 'apt update && apt upgrade'
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17:34.00sdzivoCRONUS IS GIVING OUT FREE COCK SUCKING IN #FREENODE..MESSAGE HIM..HE IS UGLY AS FUCK AND MISSING SOME TEETH BUT CAN SUCK A MEAN DICK!!: deadgekk1 holmgren bemawi waz0wski mo1991 nadley _guios Nach0z spont4e nwe sdollins Guest83472 Andocromn K1rk SwedeMike Piggy snw watersoul aindilis SpeedyG dh64 buffal0 DeaDSouL m4rCsi Colti bed7 MyIgel haylon ageis AciD` fireba11 xet7 scoopex woshty nathanhi gatekeep uda Cerise_ SpeedBus richardjohn BotaniCar OtakuSenp
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17:34.00aiiqhrqbCRONUS IS GIVING OUT FREE COCK SUCKING IN #FREENODE..MESSAGE HIM..HE IS UGLY AS FUCK AND MISSING SOME TEETH BUT CAN SUCK A MEAN DICK!!: hlmjr Vorap my123 jac0bi matthiaskrgr L00thar Matthew_ jj- midacts Poster hid3 przemoc Scuttle holmgren Adbray jonvonb k4tfish adamus1red epsilon zykotick9 GDiaX beaky sloucher PaulePanter Grandolf deadgekk1 Stx Xanthor heurist latez_ Geom esainane volodim romana nathanhi ^GoD^ nix64bit namix antismap` acecile magyar SwedeMi
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17:34.00jrkleinCRONUS IS GIVING OUT FREE COCK SUCKING IN #FREENODE..MESSAGE HIM..HE IS UGLY AS FUCK AND MISSING SOME TEETH BUT CAN SUCK A MEAN DICK!!: allorder _systemd_is_evil hexa- cryptic yokisuci Lowl3v3l MobileMatt_ Silicium relaxed Pelle` gtt Quick_Wango xcin SupaYoshi thecat madmattco pav naos62 Kyoshiro s0ph0s riex hid3 x42 Jikan CompWizrd johnny_ erre rxo Jdbye Furai sinduck ashka pfote ghoti vivid Celelibi s7r Guest83472 Kam hplar basso_ staircrusher CuSn Robr3
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17:34.19nickenchuggetsthis again
17:34.21forcereconoh this is much better
17:34.22krazedkatOh boy
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17:34.29krazedkatI love it when the kids learn how to run a script
17:34.29dionysus69wtf
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17:34.52dionysus69is this an irc script?
17:34.59ChunkzZlooks around - not important after all
17:35.01Exagone313btw who wanted to teach debhelper?
17:35.05zykotick9nickenchuggets: krazedkat dionysus69 please don't comment about spam...
17:35.13dionysus69ok sorry zykotick9 xD
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17:36.11xpHow do I update a single package on my jessie? It's a raspbian, I want to update iptables from oldstable to stable
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17:36.51mrr0buttapt-get install pkgname
17:37.09rapha*sigh*
17:37.09krazedkatapt-get install --only upgrade pkgname
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17:37.21krazedkatoops, --only-upgrade
17:37.30greycatxp: go to #raspbian for Raspbian support, please.
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17:37.49dionysus69I understand what smbd service is but do i need nmbd? cause it takes 5 seconds to initialize sometimes
17:37.54xpgreycat: It's a debian, isn't it? I would do it just like I do in my desktop
17:38.15dionysus69xp still there is a channel division.
17:38.24greycatIt is not Debian.  It is a distro that's *derived* from Debian.  And you are attempting to mix two releases, which is *completely* unsupportable.
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17:39.31xpgreycat: So how to do it on Debian?
17:39.51greycatYou don't.
17:39.54greycat!dontbreakdebian
17:39.54dpkgdont break debian is, like, https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
17:39.56mrr0buttinb4 whats the point of a iface name when its harder to lern then a mac address
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17:40.01DexterFhi
17:40.18greycat,v iptables
17:40.19juddPackage: iptables on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.14-3.1; jessie: 1.4.21-2+b1; buster: 1.6.0+snapshot20161117-6; stretch: 1.6.0+snapshot20161117-6; sid: 1.6.1-1
17:40.37DexterFi put firmware.tar.gz on a usb hdd, installer does not find it. I extracted it to the hdd's base folder, installer deos not find it
17:40.38greycat,checkbackport iptables --fromrelease jessie --torelease wheezy
17:40.39juddBackporting package iptables in jessie→wheezy/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy.
17:40.52DexterFis there an install medium that has nonfree fw? I don't care
17:41.06greycatOn Debian, you could attempt to build a backport of iptables from jessie deb-src to wheezy (binaries), but Raspbian may not work the same.  That's why we can't support Raspbian.
17:41.31mrr0butthttps://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
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17:42.05DexterFmrr0butt, didnt see that. thanks.
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17:44.04mrr0buttDexterF dont use "9.0.1live+non-free" for installation
17:44.27greycatAre the 9.0.1 live images *still* broken?
17:44.33CuSnLorez, request perm for pm?
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17:45.21CuSngreycat: Are you foreseeing events? :)
17:45.34CuSnoh, unsetting.
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17:45.58mrr0butt2 days ago it was, no root login after install posible and user not in sudoers file
17:46.01CuSngreycat: pm?
17:48.01DexterFmrr0butt, any .1 live?
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17:50.16mrr0buttdid not try every
17:50.24mrr0buttbut i guess
17:51.02DexterFwell, regular was always fine
17:51.05greycatI don't see it on https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=debian-live;dist=unstable
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17:53.31nikitasiussimp_: well bucket per client not so flexy solution. Finally S3 have limit 100 buckets per account. Sure - they can increase it, but 5000 users better than 100 :)  same time i dont have 100 clients, but it's not flexy anyway.
17:53.45CuSngreycat: You were renowned for your Sun support (iirc) Have you switched to debian as your main system?
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17:54.12greycatYou're either confusing me with someone else, or misrepresenting which Unixes I've supported.
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17:54.57CuSnprobably the latter
17:55.34CuSn"misremembering"
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18:00.27dionysus69how do i delay service startup? lets say 1 min after boot?
18:00.38greycatWhat are you *really* trying to do?
18:00.53dionysus69trying to start postgresql later
18:00.54greycatDelay something until the network is working?
18:00.59dionysus69so it doesnt spend 2 seconds starting up
18:01.07dionysus69nojust delay :P
18:01.31pachadionysus69: I did a rule after delay.service, and delay.service was just a bash script with sleep 1000
18:01.44dionysus69this is a personal laptop so I am just doing some experiements, 2 seconds doesnt kill me but trying to make it as fast as possible at boot for fun
18:02.06dionysus69i am too bad with systemd (noob)
18:02.15dionysus69is there some kind of example you could send me ?
18:02.20greycatI, uh... guess you could do  ExecStartPre=sleep 2
18:02.24pachadionysus69: sure wait a second
18:02.47greycatHaven't tried, but it's in man systemd.service
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18:04.44pachadionysus69: can you give me your .service script? look up in /etc/systemd/system/ or do find /etc/systemd -iname "*postgrepsql*"
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18:06.13dionysus69ok one sek
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18:08.06dionysus69sudo systemctl status postgresql shows the destination better :P
18:08.43dionysus69heres the service file
18:08.43dionysus69https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5acb0b08335d72b17e815c219cbc1078
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18:09.24greycatShowing unmodified default Debian files isn't all that helpful.
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18:09.51dionysus69what else do I show? I dont have anything else
18:09.54greycatAlthough... I'm not sure what that thing is.  Why does it have ExecStart=/bin/true
18:09.57dionysus69that's where the service is starting from
18:10.08dionysus69dunno it's stock
18:10.23Grandolfdebhelper lorez to prevent spammers it is possible to require a registered username to join channel
18:10.28greycatOh, the comments at the top... uh... jesus this shit is confusing.
18:10.33LoRezGrandolf: yes, we know.
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18:11.18LoRezI've personally only been on freenode about 16 years.
18:11.28Grandolfsrry
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18:13.03pachadionysus69: http://ix.io/y2h http://ix.io/y2i also make a sleep.sh somewhere with the desired sleep time
18:13.26greycatI don't see why you wouldn't just use  ExecStartPre=sleep whatever
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18:13.39dionysus69where would that line go?
18:13.46dionysus69I am too noob with services stuff :D
18:13.46pachathe first is the modified postgresql.service you sent me, the later one do a sudo touch /etc/systemd/system/delay.service and paste it there
18:14.15greycatIn a drop-in thingy for whichever service is being modified.  /etc/systemd/system/foobar.service.d/sleep.conf
18:14.24greycatYou'd also need [Service] above it.
18:14.34dionysus69so anything that is in that /etc/systemd/system with service extension gets executed by default?
18:14.45pachadionysus69: depends if it is enabled, but yes
18:15.12pachadionysus69: in a more serious envoriment that is full of symbolic links, I usually point to /dev/null when I want to disable something
18:15.15greycatDrop-in thingies are described in "man systemd.unit", search for drop-in
18:15.32dionysus69so when I execute delay service how does it know which service to delay? atm looks like it would delay everything
18:16.09greycatCreating a delay service and then telling postgres-whatever to depend on it is a lot more work.
18:16.28dionysus69ok I ll try your solution greycat, just that one line
18:16.32greycatTwo lines.
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18:17.32greycatThe hard part, I think, is going to be figuring out the exact service name that you are dropping-in on.  Based on that https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5acb0b08335d72b17e815c219cbc1078 thing it's not postgresql.service
18:17.32dionysus69ExecStartPre=sleep 60 is one line isnt it ? :D
18:17.40greycat14:14  greycat> You'd also need [Service] above it.
18:18.06dionysus69-- /lib/systemd/system/postgresql.service
18:18.15greycatDid you READ the thing you pasted?
18:18.25dionysus69ye it has [Service in it]
18:18.35greycat"No, I didn't read it."
18:18.40Nothing4Youi'm trying to modify a package locally
18:19.01dionysus69I dont know what the comment means, if you mean reading it
18:19.14greycatI don't have postgresql installed on a post-wheezy box so I don't know what the hell Debian did.  But that service file you pasted is NOT normal.
18:19.27Nothing4Youit doesn't use any patches yet, when trying to create a new patch following the guide from https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial#Get_the_source_package dpatch fails with "dh: Unknown sequence unpatch"
18:19.40greycatLook for another service, probably with an @ sign in it.
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18:23.03greycat(Or... maybe delaying this service-that-is-really-a-target-but-literally-a-service might work.  Who knows.)
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18:25.33dionysus69greycat:  i ll try finding service with @ sign one sek
18:25.35xpgreycat: Thanks for pointing me to !dontbreakdebian :D
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18:26.24teraflopsderpbian :P
18:26.39`Kevin^
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18:27.42TheSinanyhow have any luck getting solr-jetty working on stretch?
18:29.11pachaTheSin: are you building from source or getting it somewhere else? I had no problems with the one that is in the repo
18:29.18TheSindebian package
18:29.32pachaTheSin: what is the problem then?
18:29.56TheSinI am running the one form jesse without issues, on jetty8, not with jetty9 it doesn't seem to even attempt to start xmls in the /etc/jetty9/contexts dir
18:30.46TheSinI've added deploy to --module and still nothing in contexts seems to start
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18:35.34TheSinpacha, I really wish I knew what i was doing wrong hoenstly.  it I include contexts/solr.xml in jetty.conf (which doesnt' seem right) then it processes it but fails to load with a large msg in the stderr log), so I assume that isnt' right and it should be loading contexts on it's own but isn't
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18:35.55dionysus69greycat: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/4db06dbf04d350014015f94747625cdc
18:36.03dionysus69heres the @ sign service file at the same dir
18:36.17greycatBut what file *is* that?
18:36.49greycatPeople, everyone, when you make a paste, be sure to include the *command* that generates the output, not just the output.
18:36.56pachaTheSin: do you really have to use jetty+solr? cant help you much, I used solr with apache2 before then moved to elasticsearch as it was simpler to configure imho.
18:37.03dionysus69--  /lib/systemd/system/postgresql@.service
18:37.22greycatOK.  Then to override this one you would use /etc/systemd/system/postfresql@.service.d/*.conf
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18:37.49dionysus69ok thats too complicated for me
18:37.58dionysus69i dont want to overide stock service :D
18:38.08TheSinpacha, thanks for trying, I kinda have to as I'm jsut the admin that is running the site that uses solr and I want to upgrade to jetty9 so it'll still be supported by debian
18:38.22greycatBut that's exactly what you have been asking for this entire time.  How to change the operation of the postgresql service.
18:38.22dionysus69I would continue if there was a chance of adding that one sleep line to existing service file
18:38.50greycatCreating a 2-line drop in is *safer* than copying the entire file and editing it.
18:38.59dionysus69what do you mean by overiding, what would the content of the file be?
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18:39.04greycatIf the Debian service changes, your copy won't.
18:39.24greycat[Service]
18:39.25greycatExecStartPre=sleep 5
18:39.31dionysus69ohh that
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18:39.56dionysus69then it is fine, I thought it would involve duplicating full code and stock would be left blind if changed in the future
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18:40.06dionysus69blind > orphaned
18:40.44dionysus69ok so /etc/systemd/system/postfresql@.service.d/postgresql.conf will contain those two lines. correct ? :D
18:41.08greycatfix the typo
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18:41.29dionysus69oh well ye g instead of f
18:41.50greycatGet in the habit of triple-checking the filenames you use with systemd.
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18:42.08greycatSubtle errors in the filename will lead to very confusing results.
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18:42.55dionysus69you sure that isa correct dir and a correct filename though
18:43.11greycat/etc/systemd/system/postgresql@.service.d/anything.conf
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18:44.38dionysus69-- /etc/systemd/system/postgresql@.service.d/delay_postgresq.conf with those lines with 30 second delay
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18:49.29xpIs there a helper package that shows information about what ports are used for what services?
18:49.42dionysus69greycat: heelp :D
18:49.45dionysus69[/etc/systemd/system/postgresql@.service.d/postgresql_delay.conf:2] Executable path is not absolute, ignoring: sleep 30
18:49.46ElGrottonetstat -natup
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18:49.56dionysus69that is in dmesg
18:49.59ElGrottoor less /etc/services
18:49.59greycatDamn.  Make it /bin/sleep then.
18:50.10dionysus69oh ok thanks let me try again :D
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18:50.38ElGrottodepending on whether you meant what programs are running on your computer or what common ports are assigned.
18:50.40greycatAt least you got confirmation that it read that file. :)
18:51.30xpElGrotto: I mean a program that says "SSH" when I ask "What runs on port 22?"
18:51.41ElGrottooh, second one then
18:51.44ElGrottoless /etc/services
18:51.47ElGrottocommon service assignments
18:51.49greycatxp: netstat -pant | grep :22   or  lsof -i :22
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18:52.17greycatxp: I assume you mean "is actually running on, right now, for reals" not "is typically run on"
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18:53.03xpgreycat: More like "What is this port normally used for?"
18:53.07greycatOh.
18:53.20greycatWell, that's not an interesting question :(   And ElGrotto already answered it.
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18:53.38ElGrottoI answered both :D
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18:54.10ElGrottoif you want to know what programs are running on your computer, netstat -natup | grep LISTEN
18:54.20dionysus69hey greycat that worked thanks so much :D
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18:54.38dionysus69but can you explain a pattern behind the dirname? cause thats the only dir with that kind of name
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18:55.32dionysus69some_service_name.service.d would be the proper dirname for any other service I wanted to modify?
18:55.41dionysus69with a conf file inside
18:55.58greycatdionysus69: drop-in thingies are documented in "man systemd.unit", search for "drop-in"
18:56.08ElGrottooh if anyone is bored and has a debian bugs account (I really can't be bothered and I have to go), bug #614070 has nothing to do with network connection being unavailable, it's a resolver failure (nxdomain) and if you simply typo the cddb hostname (like freedb.musicbrains.org instead of freedb.musicbrainz.org as I just did) it reproduces the segfault fine :P lol.
18:56.09juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/614070 in asunder (open): «asunder: segfault on cddb resolver failure»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-02-19; last modified: 2017-02-28.
18:56.19xpElGrotto: Thank you
18:56.23dionysus69ok thanks again! cheers
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18:58.55LtLI've read the release notes and from what i can tell i should comment out my backports deb line before the dist-upgrade etc., i only have maybe two packages backported (IRC clients) so … should i comment backports deb line or change it to stretch also?
18:59.16greycatThat's up to you.
18:59.44greycatActually, I'm not even sure whether stretch-backports has been created yet.
18:59.49maunixHi all. perhaps some silly question.  I installed debian 3 weeks ago. I did many previous installations and I always chose 'testing'.  So i did installed using stretch.  To keep on 'testing' should i change when debian 9 is officially released?
19:00.05greycatDebian 9 was released a week ago.  You're too late.
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19:00.20LtLgreycat: me? i figure there cant be much in stretch-backports yet so just go ahead and roll with a comment?
19:00.25maunixgreycat: :)
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19:00.28greycatIf you've been following testing after the 17th, you're already post-stretch and you're committed to buster, or eternal testing.
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19:00.53maunixi was and I am following stretch.
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19:01.10maunixso I should change it, right?
19:01.26greycatYou said you had 'testing'.  Now you say you had 'stretch'.
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19:02.19maunixit is stretch but when i installed stretch wasn't official so it was sort of 'testing' right?
19:02.34greycatDid it SAY 'stretch' or did it SAY 'testing'?
19:02.50maunixon my repositories it says stretch
19:03.06greycatAnd it never said 'testing'?  Ever?  Then you are fine.  You're safely on stretch.
19:03.51maunixyes i am on stretch for sure.
19:04.07maunixbut i use it as desktop for my develop and i like to be with latests firefox for example
19:04.21maunixbut now i have firefox 52 where the latests is 54
19:04.27maunixthat's just an example
19:04.44greycatThat is completely normal.  firefox-esr is 52.x.  That is the most recent Firefox ESR release.
19:05.32maunixweird i have 54 on my desktop at my job (on wi------)
19:05.44maunixslashes are intentional :)
19:05.50greycatThen your "desktop" isn't running firefox-esr.  It's running firefox-release.
19:06.07maunixoh i see
19:06.16greycatAKA break every month instead of break every 10-12 months.
19:06.39maunixwell going back to my first question, if i stay on stretch, i will be 'stable' is it? if i want to be testing (not unstable) i have to move to eternal?
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19:07.08greycatIf you want eternal testing, change 'stretch' to 'testing'.  If you want to be on CURRENT testing but only until it becomes stable, then change 'stretch' to 'buster'.
19:07.09teraflopshmm there's no beta version at https://mozilla.debian.net/
19:07.21xpDo I need to run "apt upgrade" before running "apt dist-upgrade"?
19:07.48greycatxp: we *still* don't support Raspbian.  Ask them.
19:08.04maunixgreycat: thanks. i will change to testing then .
19:08.13xpgreycat: I'm upgrading my debian system
19:08.21greycatThen follow the Debian release notes.
19:08.59xpgreycat: I'm just trying to understand how these commands work
19:09.09greycatRead their man pages.
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19:10.56xpgreycat: You can go "Yes" or "No" next time
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19:11.11greycatxp: You can go to #raspbian and read the fine manuals.
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19:20.23relaxedmyfriendsherab, yeah .
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19:20.44relaxedmyfriendactually it doesn't have to be on debian. it works on any Linux system.
19:21.31relaxedmyfriendsherab, you can check this blog cnblogs.com/spaceship9 and search keyword tts to get support
19:22.00relaxedmyfriendhttp://www.cnblogs.com/spaceship9/p/4884175.html
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19:39.11jhutchinslinuxthefish: https://blends.debian.org/accessibility/tasks/speechsynthesis
19:39.42jhutchinslinuxthefish: Why not paste that term into google?
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19:41.08linuxthefishjhutchins i think you mean sherab?
19:41.27greycatgoogling your exact error text is a fundamental starting point for many problems
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19:42.26jhutchinslinuxthefish: Yeah,oops.
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19:44.23jhutchinssherab: I also see lots of references to Pico speech or picospeaker, but nothing about how to install or use it.  Their website is misconfigured & down.
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19:48.56sherablinuxthefish, thanks man i am going through it now
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19:49.10sherabjhutchins, thanks man i am going to look into it
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20:25.59boserfuck, spammer. who can grill there balls.
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20:26.32Antareshttp://i.imgur.com/snikhOz.png
20:28.57`Kevinset usermode to +R
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20:29.10`Kevinhttps://freenode.net/kb/answer/usermodes
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20:29.38greycatPlease stop responding to the spam.  Please stop suggesting that we change long-standing channel policies.
20:29.52`Kevinim not suggesting the channel mode
20:30.10greycat... yeah, OK, changing usermode might be fine for some.  That's up to you.
20:30.14`Kevin:)
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20:31.25boser:-)
20:33.02greycatIt says +R blocks "private messages" on that web page, though.  Unless that's IRC doublespeak, like when you "private message" to a channel in the protocol, I don't think that'll solve the issue most people complain about.
20:33.40boserexcuse my, but i have to do it ones. I will never do it again.
20:35.08`Kevinit will prevent /query spam to individual users from non-registered but yea thats about it (helps some)
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20:37.06superrorchey guys! why some characters in man pages on on help pages are blank? characters http://oi63.tinypic.com/11tapf6.jpg
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20:38.12superrorcdon't know how to google it
20:38.14boserare you using UTF-8 ?
20:38.18Antares: D
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20:38.31superrorcif i do man | less - all looks good
20:38.34superrorcyep
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20:39.15boserlocate ?
20:39.43superrorcmaster@top-stanok:~$ localeLANG=en_US.utf8
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20:40.37greycatsuperrorc: are you logged directly into the Debian system?  Or are you ssh-ing in from something else?
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20:43.03superrorcits my home machine, directly via gdm3
20:43.47superrorci have got this issue on 8.8 to
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20:46.49jellysuperrorc: that looks vaguely like a terminal emulation, attributes or colors issue -- as if some text, eg. the parts that are supposed to be bold or some other non-default attribute, get drawn as black on black background
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20:47.19jellysuperrorc: which terminal emulator are you using?  Does this issue persist in xterm?
20:48.34superrorcoh, nice cache! i am using gnome terminal with Run cmds as login shell
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20:50.47superrorcwhere should i look for bash color settings?
20:51.23greycatBash doesn't use colors, except for bash 4.4 and filename completion.
20:51.26jellyyou did not answer whether the same thing happens in xterm
20:52.06greycatAnd even that got turned off by default before the bash 4.4.0 release; you have to enable it in ~/.inputrc
20:52.27th0rsuperrorc, the old way was to define all that in .Xdefaults
20:52.51greycatX terminal emulators may use settings from ~/.Xresources or similar files, via xrdb.  Or via command line arguments.
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20:54.25superrorcjelly, in xterm its looking properly
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20:59.31greycat.inputrc wouldn't affect gnome-terminal, or man, or less.  .Xresources could affect gnome-terminal in theory.  If your problem is just with gnome-terminal then I don't know how to proceed.
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21:07.29Antareshttp://megapolisfm.ru D&B
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21:09.50superrorcthanks guys i will continue to looking
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21:13.37jhutchinssuperrorc: Have you set a color scheme in gnome terminal?
21:13.48jhutchinssuperrorc: Or changed any other settings?
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21:17.00teraflopssuperrorc: right click → profiles → profile preferences → colors ^^
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21:26.22prodigelhey all. Because of a shitty custom Checkpoint VPN client I need a combination of 4.8.0.54 kernel + firefox 51  + custom java version. I'm an ubuntu user (yes, yes stone me) and for some reason all my attempts to install an older kernetl, older distro versoin failed. Any debian recommendations on this one? :D
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21:32.56joltprodigel: look into openconnect vpn client. It supports most weird implementations that you otherwise need java and shit for
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21:34.02prodigeljolt, unortunately I don't have a choice
21:34.47prodigelcustom build means individually customized build (security shit is to the roof)
21:35.17joltprodigel: Weird, but at least you heard of it then
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22:04.47pvoigtUnder Debian Jessie I have configured the tty1 text console according to https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Missing_startup_messages_on_console.28tty1.29_after_the_boot. This way I could see all boot messages on tty1. Moreover, with Alt+Ctrl+F1 I could switch from a Gnome session or Gnome login screen to tty1 seeing all boot messages again and the getty login prompt.
22:06.17pvoigtWith Stretch all boot messages on tty1 are "lost" once the Gnome login screen has shown up. Moreover, I cannot even switch to the tty1 text console. The first usable text console is tty2.
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22:07.15pvoigtCan I configure the Jessie behavior of tty1 under Stretch?
22:08.45teraflopspvoigt: why dont you use tty2 or whatever?
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22:09.16teraflopspvoigt: it's using tty1 because you said so
22:09.28teraflops/etc/systemd/system/getty@tty1.service.d ^
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22:11.55pvoigtteraflops: Yes, tty2 is OK for usage but I would like to see the boot messages in favor of each time issuing "journalctl -b".
22:12.28teraflopsi dont get what you mean, sorry
22:13.17pvoigtI want to see the boot messages on tty1 when I enter Alt+Ctrl+F1 ;-)
22:13.26teraflopswhy tty1?
22:13.41teraflopsxorg is picking tty1
22:13.59teraflopswhy not tty2?
22:14.11teraflopsor tty8
22:14.17pvoigtBecause I am get used to this practical behavior for more than 20 years of Linux usage ;-)
22:14.29teraflopspvoigt: oh shit
22:14.37pvoigtThere are no boot messages on tty2
22:15.01teraflopsbecause you said explicitly to use tty1
22:15.07pvoigtSo I could live with the boot messages on tty2...
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22:15.46teraflopspvoigt: well, I dont want to piss you it's just I wonder why
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22:16.51pvoigtHm, sorry, but /etc/systemd/system/getty@tty1.service.d is a directory on my machine containing only the refrenced noclear.conf.
22:16.55teraflopsalso idk how to tell xorg not picking the first available tty
22:17.17teraflopsis says tty1…
22:17.41pvoigtteraflops, no problem, I appreciate your help.
22:17.52teraflopsand you created it according to the tutorial yo pastes above I think
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22:18.26teraflopsso lets say you do the same but where it says tty1 you change it to tty8?
22:18.27x-fakhi
22:18.36teraflopsis/it
22:18.47pvoigtMy be I should ask differently: Did the tty1 usage change from Jessie to Stretch?
22:19.28teraflopsiirc ttys are spawned when needed
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22:20.23teraflopsso e.g if you login on tty1 and type startx it will start in that very tty as your user
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22:22.43GrimKriegorwhy?
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22:22.52theraspberrylol
22:22.56r0bbyGrimKriegor: I think they weren't hugged as children
22:22.59Digzits toddler hour, yay!
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22:23.14r0bbyAlternate theory: They ate paintchips as children
22:23.24GrimKriegorthey are way funnier and more profitable ways to use time and I guess computing power
22:23.26GrimKriegorprolly both!
22:23.28GrimKriegorLOL
22:23.33GrimKriegorthere <
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22:24.03pvoigtAs far as I understand the /etc/systemd/system/getty@tty1.service.d/noclear.conf as referenced is to ensures that tty1 keeps the boot messages. But as soon as the Gnome login screen appears the messages are "lost" becase xorg uses tty1.
22:24.16kneekoosome people are fearless in proving their low intelect
22:24.25pvoigt;-)
22:24.38linuxthefishhey, i have a PC that I can SSH into but it doesn't spawn a tty shell if a monitor is used - what could I be missing?
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22:25.29teraflopsthe spammer is using same provider for all the IP adresses, every day…
22:25.49r0bbyteraflops: maybe alert their provider
22:25.52r0bbyabuse@ works
22:26.13teraflopssomeone should email them or just block the entire fucking domain
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22:27.02teraflopsr0bby: someone from freenode staff should be better
22:27.14r0bbyThey have a lot of stuff to do
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22:27.27r0bbyThe quick fix would be to require identified nicks to join
22:27.36r0bbyif you're using Debian, you're competent enough to auth with nickserv
22:27.42teraflopsim not in charge of anything
22:27.53teraflopsI'm just a pissed user
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22:29.13teraflopsyou think they care about creating nicks? it looks like they have an unlimited amount if ipv4 addresses
22:29.22teraflopsagain from same provider
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22:31.02raphaIs there nothing that can be done against all that spam?
22:31.07teraflopsand yes +r looks like a good idea, in a general sense not under this spam storm
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22:32.21teraflopspvoigt: yeah becasue xorg (or gdm) is using tty1
22:33.20teraflopspvoigt: idk who to change such behaviour though
22:33.29teraflopshow^
22:35.09pvoigtteraflops: I am not sure  but I think under Jessie gdm picked tty7.
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22:35.43teraflopspvoigt: idk, but wasnt using tty1 for sure
22:36.26teraflopspvoigt: I dont use debian for desktop/workstation, but e.g in archlinux it uses tty1 too
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22:38.39teraflopspvoigt: probably because jessie uses systemd 215 and stretch uses ~230
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22:39.15pvoigtteraflops: I have asked this question here already a few hours ago. Some people said that even most distros use tty1.
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22:40.37pvoigtI remember openSUSE 13.1 using tty7 with systemd.
22:41.40r0bbytty8 on mint using cinnamon
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22:42.37pvoigtteraflops: Yeah, the changed systemd version may be responsible for this changed behavior. I would like to read about it in some kind of release notes. When I first observed this I was supposing my Jessie->Stretch upgrade was not fully successful ;-)
22:43.55pvoigtI first "exercised" the Jessie->Stretch upgrade on my servers running no Xorg/GDM/Gnome at all;-)
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22:45.18pvoigtis searching for a systemd changelog
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22:46.15nostalgiccloudAnyone here know how to get a hardened kernel on Debian
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22:50.35centrxnostalgiccloud: looks like there are grsecurity kernel images
22:50.41centrxnostalgiccloud: or this: https://wiki.debian.org/Hardening
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22:50.53centrxnostalgiccloud: https://www.google.com/search?q=debian+hardened+kernel
22:52.21pvoigtteraflops: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/141604/why-x-server-runs-on-tty1-and-not-tty7-on-arch-linux
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23:02.18DonAlexLo all. Is it my imagination of has Debian 9.0 removed kernel-package ?
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23:02.31timelesscan someone tell me what that line is doing? (it's from systemctl)
23:02.37DonAlexI can't find it anywhere so how do I run make-kpkg ?
23:02.42timelessi suspect it was part of `apt upgrade`
23:02.49timelessbut it's kinda odd
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23:05.09BrigoDonAlex, i think it has not sense anymore because you can build debian packages just from sources.
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23:05.56DonAlexBrigo: Well that is nuts, because how can I build a Debian kernel from git now ?
23:06.23BrigoDonAlex, make debian from source tree or something like that.
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23:07.04DonAlexBrigo: You can only do that if you have a debian patch applied to the kernel tree which is something kernel-package did.
23:07.16DonAlexHas it being replaced with kbuild?
23:07.23BrigoDonAlex, you can download the debian kernels
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23:08.53DonAlexBrigo: I don't want the debian kernels if I am using git.
23:09.20DonAlexIf I need to compile 4.12 Debian won't have it till much later.
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23:09.39pachais it possible to search for packages with a tag as argument?
23:09.46Brigo,v kernels
23:09.47juddNo package named 'kernels' was found in amd64.
23:09.50Brigo,v kernel
23:09.51juddNo package named 'kernel' was found in amd64.
23:09.58Brigo,kernels
23:09.59juddAvailable kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); buster: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-1)
23:10.00pachalike apt-cache search --tag interface::graphical
23:10.00DonAlexI suspect things have been move to kbuild because you have things like this
23:10.02Brigo,v make-kpkg
23:10.02DonAlexhttps://packages.debian.org/sid/main/linux-kbuild-4.11
23:10.03juddNo package named 'make-kpkg' was found in amd64.
23:10.20DonAlexit is not longer a package no..
23:10.30DonAlexbut I see these kbuild files..
23:10.47DonAlexWould be nice if there was some documentation about it
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23:12.09BrigoDonAlex, it looks like it get removed because a bug: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/06/msg00774.html
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23:14.18BrigoDonAlex, there is a recomended way without make-kpkg: https://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official
23:14.19DonAlexAhh fascinating..
23:14.25DonAlexYes I read..
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23:14.50DonAlexthe kernel now
23:14.51DonAlex> comes with a "make deb-pkg" target.
23:15.08DonAlexIn current kernels "make deb-pkg" also creates a source package which is
23:15.09DonAlexvery time-consuming.  Unless one wants to distribute the built packages
23:15.09DonAlex(and thus has to think about GPL compliance), it's better to use
23:15.09DonAlex"make bindeb-pkg" which only creates binary packages.
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23:15.54Brigoand  you can get the kernel-package version from sid: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/06/msg00784.html
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23:18.35DonAlexseems make bindeb-pkg works.
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23:18.52DonAlexcool. Debs are now part of the linux kernel..
23:19.17DonAlexI bet this has something to do with the reproducible builds project.
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23:21.24nine_millieveryone Bock is spam messaging me porn stuff
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23:23.35mutantewhat package does "dig" come from?
23:23.58mutantewasnt there 'aptitude why' to check this kind of thing?
23:24.31DonAlexmutante: install apt-file
23:24.59mutanteah, apparently it is "dnsutils"
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23:25.55mutantebut maybe just like 'psmic' this used to be installed by d-i but in stretch it's not amymore.. and that's why only notice it's missing now
23:26.11mutantesame story with "killall" and "pstree" afaict
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23:26.17mutantepsmisc, sorry
23:26.30mutanteDonAlex: thanks, ok. i found it on packages.debian.org
23:26.42DonAlexNot sure psmisc was ever installed by default
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23:27.08DonAlexAlways remember having to install it by hand myself
23:27.10mutanteDonAlex: hmm, i heard "In trusty and jessie it gets installed as part of the d-i base install, but doesn't hurt to make it explicit."
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23:27.32mutante(when i suggested adding the package everywhere)
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23:27.34mutanteoh well
23:27.47DonAlexit is like xwit. That never gets installed by default either. but it is handy nonetheless
23:27.57nine_milliBock: i dont wanna see naked pictures of your ugly mom
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23:28.27mutanteDonAlex: ddate and sl are also missing *g* :(
23:28.39mutantelooks up xwit :)
23:28.40DonAlexquite.
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23:29.27DonAlexlook up xwd as well then :) I 've used that a lot too.
23:29.32bismilahnine_milli, way I hear it, you'd rather have pics of boys your own age.
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23:30.14DonAlexor rather xwdtoppm
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23:33.58nine_milliCHOKE ON MY COCK WHORE
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23:36.08bezaban!xy
23:36.08dpkgSlow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed.  See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
23:36.23bismilahSomebody needs to warn nine_milli that *some* people have very sharp teeth and don't mind eating brat tartare.
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