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| 00:06.10 | cryptodan_mobile | so using debian now forcerecon instead of mint? |
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| 00:19.42 | *** topic/#debian is Debian Stretch is here: /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg jessie->stretch; /msg dpkg install stretch | Oldstable: Debian Jessie /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg 8.8 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
| 00:20.00 | missmbob | john_rambo: there is none. xfce is it |
| 00:20.24 | lucnx | Mathisen: What about Vagrant or LVM ? |
| 00:20.57 | john_rambo | Okay ... One last thing ... When will Jessie reach eol ? missmbob |
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| 00:21.32 | Mathisen | lucnx, i guess it would be a mather of what you gonna use it for but he origian question "best" i would say docker as it is used most |
| 00:21.42 | Mathisen | lucnx, im not qualifed to compair them |
| 00:21.56 | missmbob | john_rambo: June 6th 2018 and LTS June 6th 2018 |
| 00:22.33 | john_rambo | missmbob, Thanks |
| 00:22.40 | missmbob | john_rambo: shoot i meant LTS June 6th 2020 |
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| 00:26.10 | lucnx | Mathisen: Docker confuses me when im setting up dockerfiles for applications. Im mainly looking for containers that can virtualize development environments to get rid of dependency hell when installing source code from git repos |
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| 00:30.22 | forcerecon | whats a git |
| 00:30.44 | Mathisen | forcerecon, https://github.com/ |
| 00:32.01 | forcerecon | seems like docker is pretty solid |
| 00:32.02 | forcerecon | https://www.docker.com/ |
| 00:32.30 | forcerecon | thanks for that.. just trying to understand why there are two repositories - https://github.com/docker/docker, https://github.com/docker/docker.git |
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| 00:34.14 | Mathisen | if you clone a repo you usaly use .git " git clone https://github.com/docker/docker.git " |
| 00:34.32 | Mathisen | and it download everything to your machine |
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| 00:35.07 | mutante | forcerecon: it's just one repo, it's like a redirect |
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| 00:38.25 | Mathisen | personaly i use arch and <3 AUR as everything you can imagine is in there and ready to go |
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| 01:00.14 | sillygoose | Hey, I'm trying to add noapic as an option from the grub menu but I'm not sure how. Any help? |
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| 01:00.52 | pingfloyd | sillygoose: you edit /etc/default/grub and then run update-grub |
| 01:01.12 | sillygoose | Can i dovthat from the grub boot menu? |
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| 01:01.49 | pingfloyd | put your kernel parameter in either GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT or GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX |
| 01:01.56 | sillygoose | This is a fresh install and I'm getting the "MP BIOS bug timer not connected" error |
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| 01:03.49 | pingfloyd | that sounds more like a warning than an error |
| 01:04.21 | sillygoose | That's what someone else said but my monitor does not display anything following that message |
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| 01:05.14 | pingfloyd | the monitor goes completely black and gets stuck there? |
| 01:06.00 | pingfloyd | is the system still running (just without the display getting updated)? |
| 01:06.05 | sillygoose | Yes, it also losses input as if the computer was of |
| 01:06.16 | sillygoose | I am unsure |
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| 01:06.37 | sillygoose | My computer is still literally on, with the fan spinning |
| 01:06.39 | pingfloyd | so you can't tell if the computer is froze or it just the display having problems? |
| 01:06.55 | pingfloyd | you could try ssh into it to see if it really is up or not |
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| 01:29.49 | kalcso | How can I restore deleted files easily? |
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| 02:28.47 | SpaceAce | hey all, what can you tell me about this message from apt-get upgrade? |
| 02:28.48 | SpaceAce | N: Ignoring file '50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist' in directory '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension |
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| 02:30.38 | Henry151 | Hello. my system log is clogged with "brcmsmac bcma0:1: START: tid 1 is not agg'able" over and over. I've got the |
| 02:30.42 | Henry151 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:30.55 | Henry151 | Aw shoot. |
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| 02:33.06 | nezZario | Super confused |
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| 02:33.57 | nezZario | Why do some dists/ have InRelease and some have Release and Release.gpg? |
| 02:35.15 | nezZario | I guess more importantly... Is anyone aware if the couple of apt caching tools out there let you manipulate the packages? (like which ones are included period) |
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| 02:43.01 | Guest_7251723 | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN.quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: imawriterugh SporkWitch blackest_mamba jfsCommit jlacroix cronic MrDetonia slicepaperwords sayo- cafuego Python1320 namix Nazara kmh Ad1Tech Ximensi0ns xrogaan cryptic ValodiaDeSeynes JLye akxwi-dave cef Shadur elliot007 sikun HugsWontletgo APexil Wyzard exezin infernix ashka D tsurko PugaBear sysanthrope Limebyte bradjones ProfessorKaos64 gre m |
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| 02:51.51 | nickenchuggets | oh boy |
| 02:51.56 | nickenchuggets | isn't this fun |
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| 02:57.32 | kalcso | How can I restore deleted files with extundelete? |
| 02:58.49 | SpaceAce | who is dax |
| 02:58.56 | SpaceAce | good lord |
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| 03:01.20 | bazhang | SpaceAce, how is that topical for debian |
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| 03:03.35 | bazhang | try #debian-offtopic SpaceAce |
| 03:03.38 | kalcso | What should I do? extundelete --restore-directory /home/kal/Desktop/mtdoc /dev/sdb1 nothing happen. |
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| 03:05.11 | wingman2 | so whats up with f2fs root in stretch? |
| 03:05.13 | wingman2 | used to be #echo f2fs >> /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 03:05.16 | bazhang | kalcso, is this debian or ubuntu |
| 03:05.18 | wingman2 | now it's f2fs crc32_generic crc32-pclmul libcrc32c crc32c_generic crc32c-intel |
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| 03:07.13 | nezZario | OK well |
| 03:07.28 | nezZario | No apt cache / apt proxy does not do what I want |
| 03:07.43 | nezZario | Are there any apt libraries that can help me out? |
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| 03:12.23 | kalcso | wingman2, "so whats up with f2fs root in stretch?", Was that my answer? |
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| 03:12.39 | wingman2 | no |
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| 03:37.44 | nurupo | i can't find how to tell debian netinst installer (in expert mode) to install on a specific partition of a disk and setup LVM on there |
| 03:38.47 | nurupo | the only option I see is either erase the whole disk and install debian on there with or without LVM, and in manual mode it seems I can install it just on that partition but there is no LVM option |
| 03:41.00 | nurupo | oh, i think i found it |
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| 03:41.22 | nurupo | in manual mode i can use a partition as "physical volume for LVM" |
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| 04:30.46 | f12 | hi |
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| 04:38.03 | kalcso | I've a problem with extundelete, how can I restore my files? |
| 04:40.43 | nurupo | just installed a netinst. find it weird that there is no ifconfig binary on it. is my install broken or ifconfig is suposed to be missing? |
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| 04:42.15 | cluelessperson | hey guys, how do you disconnect usb, and reconnect it, but from the command line, instead of physically? |
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| 04:51.35 | hexjay | mc |
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| 04:57.37 | magyar | hi, is there a way to enable hardware acceleration for firefox 52 in stretch ? |
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| 05:05.02 | sulit | nurupo:hi, iproute2 replace net-tools |
| 05:05.22 | sulit | nurupo:you can use 'ip addr' |
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| 05:05.36 | nurupo | interesting |
| 05:06.13 | nurupo | i ended up using "ip something show", setting up wlan0 and installing net-tools :P |
| 05:07.26 | nurupo | why iproute replaces net-tools though? those ip commands existed for a long time now, don't they predate ifconfig, so why did we switch to ifconfig in the first place? |
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| 05:09.06 | sulit | nurupo:i guess because of kernel |
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| 05:11.25 | sulit | nurupo:iproute2 use netlink socket |
| 05:11.39 | sulit | nurupo:net-tools use ioctl |
| 05:12.05 | nurupo | what's netlink, a kernel module? |
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| 05:12.56 | sulit | nurupo:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netlink |
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| 05:44.19 | dutchfish | hi, after dist-upgrading to stable from testing aka stretch, {apt-get update | aptitude upgrade} still keeps giving status back as InRelease instead of Release. No updates pending. Is this erronous, and how to fix it? |
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| 05:46.04 | dutchfish | same for apt-get upgrade |
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| 05:50.44 | blackweb | I am having some trouble with Debian, can anyone help me? |
| 05:51.00 | blackweb | INFO: |
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| 05:51.24 | nvz | anyone isnt online |
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| 05:51.58 | borsin | dutchfish: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:52.07 | blackweb | I have no wifi |
| 05:52.16 | dutchfish | borsin, same outcome |
| 05:52.25 | somiaj | blackweb: this is most likely due to missing the non-free firmware for your wifi card. |
| 05:52.27 | blackweb | During the install, it said it can read my wifi |
| 05:52.28 | dutchfish | borsin, nothing pending no dep. issues |
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| 05:52.43 | blackweb | But same thing happened with Ubuntu yet my wifi still worked |
| 05:52.50 | somiaj | blackweb: if you can share the output of 'lspci' at paste.debian.net or let us know what wifi chipset you are using we can help. |
| 05:53.12 | somiaj | blackweb: debian doens't provide non-free firmware in debian main due to it being non-free. You sometimes have to do additional steps if you choose to install non-free software (such as firmware) |
| 05:53.23 | blackweb | I can't paste it anywhere since the computer with the problem has no connection to the wifi |
| 05:53.32 | blackweb | I understand that |
| 05:53.45 | somiaj | blackweb: can you figure out what wifi chipset you have? That is all I need, it should be listed in lspci |
| 05:54.30 | blackweb | I have a "Intel Corporation Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3165 Plus Bluetooth (rev 99)" |
| 05:54.43 | somiaj | blackweb: are you running jessie or stretch. |
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| 05:55.32 | blackweb | Stretch |
| 05:56.08 | somiaj | blackweb: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-iwlwifi that is the package you need. |
| 05:56.55 | blackweb | Question |
| 05:57.00 | blackweb | How do I install it? |
| 05:57.06 | blackweb | Just copy the package to a USB |
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| 05:57.19 | somiaj | blackweb: a wired connection, or at the bottom of that page, download the .deb, adn install it with dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 05:57.32 | blackweb | Thanks |
| 05:57.34 | blackweb | Also |
| 05:57.38 | somiaj | have you install that package a reboot should have your wifi up (though you may have to configure it) |
| 05:57.47 | blackweb | I planned on going to the KfreebSD version of debian |
| 05:57.55 | blackweb | would this be a problem to anything? |
| 05:57.59 | somiaj | blackweb: run this command on the computer, 'dmesg | grep firmware' -- do you see errors about firmware not loading. |
| 05:58.26 | blackweb | yeah |
| 05:58.36 | somiaj | blackweb: I'm unsure how the kfreebsd kernel deals with firmware, but provided it uses the same non-free firwmare from intel, the package is installable in all arches (include kfreesbd) |
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| 05:58.54 | blackweb | ffirmare failed to load inte/ibt-hw-.......... |
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| 05:59.08 | blackweb | the ........ means a bunch more random characters |
| 05:59.12 | somiaj | blackweb: if the file names are things like iwlwifi-3160...ucode that is what the package I linked will provide. |
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| 05:59.42 | somiaj | blackweb: I don't really reconizge that file name, but the iwlwifi should be the firmware you need for intel wifi cards |
| 05:59.57 | blackweb | ist starts with iwlwifi-7265D-26.ucode |
| 06:00.03 | blackweb | failed to load that |
| 06:00.11 | blackweb | and then retrying and failing again |
| 06:00.23 | somiaj | blackweb: okay, that looks more like it. That package I linked will provide that firmware. |
| 06:01.20 | blackweb | Thanks |
| 06:01.32 | blackweb | Where can I download the deb file again? I have the link but where on the page |
| 06:01.39 | somiaj | blackweb: near the bottom |
| 06:01.45 | somiaj | select the all arch. |
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| 06:02.22 | blackweb | Thanks |
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| 06:02.57 | blackweb | I am thinking about switching DE's |
| 06:03.08 | blackweb | Should I leave gnome and head for lxde or xfce? |
| 06:04.07 | somiaj | blackweb: personal choice there. Provided you ahve the disk space, you can install them all side by side and decide which you like better. |
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| 06:04.27 | blackweb | Disk Space? |
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| 06:04.38 | blackweb | Haven't heard those words in a while |
| 06:04.54 | blackweb | 32 gigabytes on my hardrive |
| 06:05.07 | somiaj | haha, I doubt it is an issue. But that is the main consideration if you want to isntall all the different DE's and try them out. |
| 06:05.22 | somiaj | yea more than enough..but some do run things in more limited enviroments. |
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| 06:05.45 | somiaj | well 32gigs could get filled up if you install all the desktops and don't run apt-get clean, but for the most part you'll be just fine. |
| 06:05.46 | blackweb | Thanks for the help friend |
| 06:06.02 | blackweb | I'll be sure to report how it goes |
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| 06:09.02 | dionysus69 | it has no sound :S and I have no idea about the world of alsa and pulseaudio |
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| 06:09.04 | dionysus69 | can anyone help me? |
| 06:09.30 | somiaj | sonic pi? |
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| 06:27.38 | glick | howdy |
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| 06:27.49 | glick | hey does anyone here run netbeans IDE? |
| 06:27.57 | glick | how does the install work in debian? |
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| 06:33.05 | SporkWitch | glick: https://lmgtfy.com/?q=install+netbeans+debian |
| 06:33.58 | glick | heh |
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| 06:37.03 | glick | im slowly migrating all my stuff off my mac onto my free machine |
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| 06:37.11 | glick | have no idea what ill do with my mac |
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| 06:38.46 | SporkWitch | paperweight? |
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| 06:39.19 | lovelybac0n | lol :) |
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| 06:48.49 | glick | where is my java jdk installed? im trying to install netbeans |
| 06:49.04 | glick | the default is /usr but looking in there i dont see any javajdk |
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| 07:01.04 | Mahe | hey guys, what's your favorite solution for creating and restoring backups of Debian system disks? I used to use dd for creating full root partition images but I read that restoring such dd images is supposedly bad for SSD drives. |
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| 07:07.00 | dionysus69 | how do I disable pulse audio and enable jack? |
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| 07:07.46 | blackweb | How can I install Debian/KfreeBSD? |
| 07:08.00 | blackweb | When I try to boot from the USB it just skips to the OS I am trying to replace |
| 07:08.13 | blackweb | Also I am having trouble finding a disk image |
| 07:11.13 | blackweb | wrong IRC sorry |
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| 07:12.54 | webbyz | https://www.btcprediction.com/ o.O |
| 07:13.00 | webbyz | if anyone in to btc |
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| 07:13.57 | hyper_ch | hi there, how would I boot from debian netinstall cd/usb stick and setup the whole system with zfs? |
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| 07:14.48 | eugenmayer | hello, where did libxp6 go in stretch? https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libxp6 |
| 07:15.02 | glick | i dont think its bad for ssd disks Mahe |
| 07:16.05 | eugenmayer | oh i think https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=657253 |
| 07:16.06 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/657253 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: libxp -- ROM; Obsolete»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2012-01-25; last modified: 2015-09-10. |
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| 07:17.45 | hyper_ch | so, can you even install zfs as root fs on debian 9? |
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| 07:18.18 | jelly | hyper_ch: if it can, it will probably be listed as a feature in stretch release notes |
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| 07:19.01 | hyper_ch | jelly: well, last info I have is that it's a kernel module in contrib which doesn't seem to be available during netinstall..... so I thought I'd ask here |
| 07:19.08 | hyper_ch | btrfs just doesn't cut it |
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| 07:20.13 | maasha | I am struggling installing vbox guest stuff. I have apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) but the vboxLinuxAdditions script still complains that it cant find the kernel headers? |
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| 07:21.56 | Mahe | maasha, are running an older kernel than the most recent one installed? e.g. not rebooting after kernel upgrade? |
| 07:22.04 | Mahe | *are you |
| 07:22.32 | maasha | Mahe: I tried rebooting, and this is basically a fresh install, so ... |
| 07:22.35 | dionysus69 | anyone familiar with audio please help. cant make jack to work |
| 07:22.51 | dionysus69 | pulseaudio -k restarts pulseaudio automaticaly every 5 seconds |
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| 07:24.21 | glick | do the speakers work fine dionysus69? |
| 07:24.28 | Aebian | is there something like http://en.utrace.de/ available for commandline? I currenbtly have geoiplookup installed but that just returns the location instead of ISP |
| 07:24.41 | dionysus69 | ye just like any debian, works fine with pulseaudio |
| 07:25.02 | maasha | Aebian: mtr |
| 07:25.24 | glick | but the jack doesn not work? |
| 07:25.35 | dionysus69 | it starts |
| 07:25.40 | dionysus69 | but doesnt do anything |
| 07:25.45 | dionysus69 | or I dont know how to make it work |
| 07:26.02 | dionysus69 | I route audio to jack from the pavucontrol and no sound |
| 07:26.10 | dionysus69 | or I turn of pulseaudio and no sound |
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| 07:26.32 | glick | what do you mean it starts? |
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| 07:27.18 | dionysus69 | the UI starts and I am able to start the server |
| 07:27.32 | dionysus69 | and it is saying active and I can push play button on JACK audio connection kit |
| 07:27.39 | dionysus69 | but i dont know what those are supposed to be doing |
| 07:27.54 | dionysus69 | I also see puseaudio jack sink and system in connections window |
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| 07:28.54 | glick | thats strange dionysus69 are you sure the soundcard is properly supported ? |
| 07:28.54 | Aebian | maasha: can't find the thing in the manpage. What parameter do I need to add for mtr to work the way I want it to? I don't want a full trace rout output. Just IP, Geo Location and ISP in one |
| 07:29.27 | dionysus69 | glick: I dont know I have broadwell HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH |
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| 07:29.35 | dionysus69 | and hdmi |
| 07:29.46 | dionysus69 | cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 07:30.05 | maasha | Aebian: ah, I don't know about geo location |
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| 07:30.42 | glick | dionysus69: intel integrated stuff can be tricky. google that card and see if its fully supported |
| 07:31.14 | Aebian | hmm ok |
| 07:31.16 | glick | my intel integrated wifi card was trash i had to throw it out |
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| 07:33.17 | glick | hmm what to do with my mac. sell it? give it to someone? |
| 07:33.21 | glick | maybe ill just sell it |
| 07:33.40 | glick | or use it as a movie watching device |
| 07:33.52 | glick | too bad you cant install linux on macs |
| 07:34.01 | Mahe | glick, which model? |
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| 07:34.30 | dionysus69 | glick: who said you cant install linux on macs? |
| 07:34.43 | dionysus69 | really you cant ? :D |
| 07:35.06 | glick | late 2013 macbook pro |
| 07:35.11 | dionysus69 | driver selected in jack control panel is alsa |
| 07:35.16 | jelly | glick: getting help with reverse psychology 101, eh? |
| 07:35.19 | dionysus69 | dunno if thats what is supposed to be selected |
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| 07:35.58 | glick | heh jelly what are you talking about |
| 07:36.08 | jelly | <glick> too bad you cant install linux on macs |
| 07:36.18 | glick | i thought you cant really install linux on most macs |
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| 07:36.33 | glick | at best you could do is basically dual boot them |
| 07:36.42 | jelly | wonders why stretch has a separate mac d-i image |
| 07:37.13 | dionysus69 | glick: it's just a regular harware, you can wipe disk and install whatever |
| 07:37.32 | celyr | dionysus69, oh well |
| 07:37.32 | dionysus69 | whatever you just said made me wonder if they block it with firmware, but that would be the end of mac |
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| 07:37.44 | celyr | dionysus69, they do things |
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| 07:38.04 | celyr | and those things make what you said possible but harder and with a lot of glitches |
| 07:38.18 | tx | jelly: it's to work around broken firmware for some of the older macs iirc |
| 07:38.37 | celyr | like newer are better |
| 07:38.55 | tx | Debian installers come with two el torito boot records, the mac mini (1,1) and some others got confused seeing more than one and broke. :) |
| 07:39.03 | glick | cam is unsupported |
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| 07:39.13 | glick | wifi only works with a binary blob |
| 07:39.28 | glick | :/ |
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| 07:39.43 | glick | thats not promising |
| 07:39.49 | celyr | while things are going better |
| 07:40.04 | celyr | back in the days also keyboard and mouse were a problem :p |
| 07:40.10 | jelly | "install linux" and "make all hardware work in an optimal way" are often different goals |
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| 07:40.50 | glick | linux could support all hardware if these douchebag companies released the hardware specs |
| 07:41.09 | celyr | I don't have an hardware problem with linux since maybe ages |
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| 07:41.27 | tx | probably since kernel 2.4 ;) |
| 07:41.27 | celyr | just stay away from last released hardware |
| 07:41.30 | tx | er |
| 07:41.34 | tx | since 3, rather/ |
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| 07:42.01 | glick | celyr: yeah youre probably running a pc. also, i bet a lot of your hardware "works" because of mysterious binary blobs |
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| 07:43.22 | celyr | glick, in this moment I have just 1 physical installation of debian |
| 07:43.37 | celyr | and like 10 vm |
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| 07:43.47 | celyr | you know virtualization exist |
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| 07:44.30 | glick | i have a mac and linux pc lappy, and for work they gave me a win lap |
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| 07:47.36 | celyr | I have a win lap as well for work, but I've virtualized on it debian |
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| 07:51.59 | glick | celyr: yeah unfortunatly my work lappy is pretty locked down :/ |
| 07:52.08 | glick | and im just like meh, whatever |
| 07:52.19 | glick | they want me to use win ill use win, as long as they pay me that sweet cold cash |
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| 08:01.26 | dionysus69 | ok I got it up to some point |
| 08:01.40 | dionysus69 | I disabled pulseaudio and reenabled jackd from terminal |
| 08:01.52 | dionysus69 | and it works but only system capture and system playback are visible |
| 08:02.25 | dionysus69 | no music or any application can be played back through jack, everything defaults to pulseaudio and in fact pulseaudio is hanging i think |
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| 08:02.43 | dionysus69 | it is having some kind of sezure, trying to take ownership of the audio which is atm used by jackd |
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| 08:06.23 | Mahe | dionysus69, you wanna route PulseAudio applications through JACK? |
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| 08:06.52 | dionysus69 | ye that too |
| 08:07.03 | dionysus69 | jackd -R -d alsa -d hw:1 |
| 08:07.06 | Mahe | you can try my guide: https://github.com/M4he/Linux/tree/master/JACK/PA_through_JACK |
| 08:07.10 | dionysus69 | this is the only way I made jack start |
| 08:07.22 | dionysus69 | I couldnt either through qjackctl |
| 08:07.27 | dionysus69 | or through jack_control start |
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| 08:08.29 | Mahe | you can skip the calf sections of the guide if you don't want all the EQ stuff |
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| 08:09.10 | dionysus69 | ok I will take a look thanks Mahe |
| 08:09.24 | dionysus69 | I am doing all this because of sonic pi |
| 08:09.40 | dionysus69 | how else can I start the server though |
| 08:09.56 | dionysus69 | I dont want to have an extra terminal just for running jackd -R -d alsa -d hw:1 |
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| 08:10.21 | dionysus69 | surprisingly I dont have to kill pulseaudio server before running this |
| 08:10.23 | dionysus69 | it works anyway |
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| 08:13.36 | Mahe | dionysus69, you can also ditch most of the GUI tools (e.g. qjackctl) and make a script, see the "minimal" version of my guide: https://github.com/M4he/Linux/blob/master/JACK/PA_through_JACK/MINIMAL.md |
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| 08:15.18 | dionysus69 | will read fully |
| 08:15.25 | dionysus69 | are you doing stuff with sonic pi too? |
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| 08:20.07 | Mahe | dionysus69, no I'm not unfortunately |
| 08:20.17 | dionysus69 | why not then if you want |
| 08:20.26 | dionysus69 | I am just starting but seems buggy, at least on linux platform |
| 08:20.56 | dionysus69 | if I break it by infinite loop then jack and sonic pi need restarting for example |
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| 08:28.02 | philter_legi0n | linux or windows? |
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| 09:04.15 | jhonnyBeGood | hi guys |
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| 09:04.37 | jhonnyBeGood | I saw that there is a security issue with openvpn package |
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| 09:04.53 | jhonnyBeGood | Is there a security package for this? |
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| 09:06.30 | petn-randall | !tracker of doom |
| 09:06.30 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 09:06.47 | petn-randall | jhonnyBeGood: Look up the CVEs up here and it'll say if there's been an update already. ^^^ |
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| 09:07.03 | mpmc | Looks like many deb update servers are being hammered :/ |
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| 09:09.51 | petn-randall | jhonnyBeGood: If you set up openvpn as recommended, that is, wrapping all communication with a pre-shared key, the scope of these issues are pretty small. |
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| 09:11.27 | jhonnyBeGood | petn-randall |
| 09:11.34 | jhonnyBeGood | it can cause a DOS on system |
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| 09:11.56 | petn-randall | jhonnyBeGood: ... only if you are in possession of the PSK. |
| 09:12.07 | jhonnyBeGood | https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2017-7479/ |
| 09:12.24 | glick | anyone running testing? |
| 09:12.35 | petn-randall | jhonnyBeGood: I read it as it came out a few days ago. |
| 09:12.49 | petn-randall | glick: Those people in #debian-next on OFTC do. |
| 09:13.27 | glick | damnit, i dont feel like connecting to another network right now :/ |
| 09:13.34 | petn-randall | shrugs. |
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| 09:16.55 | jhonnyBeGood | petn-randall what can I do in this case? |
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| 09:17.29 | cef | glick: What's the issue? |
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| 09:17.52 | petn-randall | jhonnyBeGood: Did you look that CVE up in the tracker I showed you? |
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| 09:18.47 | petn-randall | !cve lookup CVE-2017-7479 |
| 09:18.48 | dpkg | Information about the security advisory CVE-2017-7479 may be found at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-7479 |
| 09:18.57 | petn-randall | jhonnyBeGood: Just click on this ^^^ |
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| 09:19.30 | jhonnyBeGood | I could not find the CVE-2017-7479 on https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/status/release/stable |
| 09:19.55 | glick | cef: i was just wondering, because i know stretch was just released but typically, how long before next release do they usually start to freeze testing |
| 09:19.56 | glick | ? |
| 09:19.57 | jhonnyBeGood | sorry I found it |
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| 09:20.46 | petn-randall | glick: It's not announced yet, but it's roughly 1.5 years after the release. |
| 09:21.05 | jhonnyBeGood | in jessie it seems vulnerable (no DSA) |
| 09:21.13 | jhonnyBeGood | but already fixed on sid |
| 09:22.00 | fallentree | jhonnyBeGood: see also https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/openvpn |
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| 09:22.17 | fallentree | fur a list of currently applicable CVEs |
| 09:23.26 | petn-randall | jhonnyBeGood: If you look at the link I provided it says that only 2.3.12 and newer are affected. jessie comes with 2.3.4. |
| 09:24.31 | jhonnyBeGood | OpenVPN versions before 2.3.15 and before 2.4.2 are vulnerable to ... |
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| 09:26.56 | petn-randall | huh, someone seems to be updating that CVE entry right now. |
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| 09:27.33 | petn-randall | The text changed between reloads. |
| 09:28.11 | petn-randall | jhonnyBeGood: regardless, you can expect it to be updated soon if it's affected. |
| 09:28.30 | jhonnyBeGood | yes ... it a matter of time to go inside stable ? |
| 09:28.56 | Iridos | schrödingers CVE… now you're affected, now you're not |
| 09:28.57 | petn-randall | jhonnyBeGood: Yes. Unless it's critical, the patch usually goes into unstable first before going to stable. |
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| 09:30.07 | petn-randall | jhonnyBeGood: And since the usual setups aren't really affected by it (you'd need the PSK to trigger the DOS), it has to be fixed in unstable first before the maintainer is allowed to upload the patch to stable. |
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| 09:31.27 | jhonnyBeGood | nice petn-randall where I can find some text about how debian deal with security issue ? |
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| 09:32.34 | new-nick | hi there all, |
| 09:32.34 | new-nick | how to solve this error; chown: invalid user: `www-data:www-data' when given, chown -R www-data:www-data Specific/ |
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| 09:33.02 | buu | new-nick: create the user www-data |
| 09:33.08 | buu | wait what |
| 09:33.24 | petn-randall | jhonnyBeGood: I'd start from here: https://www.debian.org/security/ |
| 09:34.03 | petn-randall | new-nick: The user doesn't exist. Do you have a web server installed? |
| 09:34.43 | new-nick | petn-randall: I am using Godaddy shared hosting for this |
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| 09:35.20 | petn-randall | new-nick: How is this related to Debian then? |
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| 09:36.24 | fallentree | because Linux! |
| 09:36.33 | new-nick | petn-randall: :) I thought it's all "Linux" |
| 09:36.58 | petn-randall | new-nick: The user www-data is Debian-specific. |
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| 09:37.29 | jhonnyBeGood | petn-randall how can I upgrade this security package as soon it enters on stable? |
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| 09:37.51 | new-nick | oh, all I am trying to install Baikal on shared hosting. May be I don't have set user permission for this hosting ? |
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| 09:40.59 | petn-randall | jhonnyBeGood: Just like you update your system usually. |
| 09:41.06 | petn-randall | jhonnyBeGood: 'apt update && apt upgrade' |
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| 09:41.40 | bitcoinx | Hi, unfortunately my GTK-3 theme seems to be broken (see images). How can I fix that? My gtk 2 theme looks fine |
| 09:41.40 | bitcoinx | http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170623/235tx9g7.png |
| 09:41.40 | bitcoinx | http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170623/lwww8cno.png |
| 09:41.40 | bitcoinx | Desktop is XFCE |
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| 09:42.18 | rafalcpp | is apt broken for Jessie? |
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| 09:42.41 | rafalcpp | W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 1397BC53640DB551 |
| 09:42.42 | rafalcpp | W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/jessie-backports/main/binary-i386/PackagesIndex: Hash Sum mismatch |
| 09:42.50 | fallentree | new-nick: install how? with apt? not gonna work. unpacking the tarball? chmod paths to match your hosting environment. and since iirc godaddy uses centos, this is off topic here :) |
| 09:42.51 | rafalcpp | what's that? it was working fine all the months before |
| 09:43.18 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: That key is the stretch release key. It's only a warning, feel free to ignore it. |
| 09:43.23 | new-nick | fallentree: thanks. |
| 09:43.32 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: apt should verify fine with the jessie key. |
| 09:43.33 | cef | What the... why does `gnome-user-share` depend on `apache2-bin`? |
| 09:43.39 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: how to fix it? |
| 09:43.45 | rafalcpp | gpg download this key as root? |
| 09:44.16 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: I'd just ignore it, it's purely cosmetic. |
| 09:44.20 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: why not publins into Jessie update to apt keys that will fix that? |
| 09:44.27 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: It'll probably get fixed in the next point release. |
| 09:44.34 | rafalcpp | teaching users to ignore security warnings about gpg is a raeaaly bad idea. worse then systemd |
| 09:44.41 | rafalcpp | hm ok |
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| 09:45.05 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: and then checksum mismatch erro below? is the checksum not checked then? |
| 09:45.12 | petn-randall | We're not teaching users to *ignore* security warnings. We're teaching them to *read* them. |
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| 09:45.31 | new-nick | I was thinking chown www-data is command line for system level. Any suggestion where to I get help with this ? Online search is little confused after I have gone through, Godaddy customer care is in queue. Will Apache community is right place to get help ? |
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| 09:46.18 | rafalcpp | new-nick: what is you exact question? yes, the files (html, e.g. php) of web server should be readable by user www-data. also try #httpd |
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| 09:47.02 | new-nick | rafalcpp: how to solve this error; chown: invalid user: `www-data:www-data' when given, chown -R www-data:www-data Specific/ |
| 09:47.53 | petn-randall | new-nick: You're not running Debian. Ask in the godaddy forums. |
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| 09:48.55 | rafalcpp | new-nick: try chown www-data.www-data or at first just www-data alone instead of www-data:www-data |
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| 09:49.09 | rafalcpp | new-nick: but if that's not debian then yes, try other channel or forum |
| 09:49.23 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: Read the backlog. That doesn't work, because that's debian-specific. Their http user is named something else. |
| 09:50.06 | new-nick | petn-randall: Yes, Server is not Debian. I am be asking with Go daddy. |
| 09:50.26 | new-nick | cheers, Baikal is running without setting user permission for now. |
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| 09:52.01 | new-nick | rafalcpp: thank you for the effort, I give a try with ur command just for my sack. Web server is not running on Debian but my client OS is Debian, so I really didnt know that this is related to server specific and assumed it's command line related. |
| 09:52.07 | new-nick | any way thank you guys |
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| 09:53.31 | rafalcpp | no problem |
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| 09:54.54 | grig | hi guys |
| 09:55.21 | grig | anyone getting this error when upgrading from Jessie to Stretch? ldconfig: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libffi.so.6.0.2 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. |
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| 09:58.45 | jhonnyBeGood | Hi guys anyone know about a security issue with openvpn package? |
| 09:59.06 | jhonnyBeGood | I would like to upgrade it , i saw that this package is already on debian sid ... how can i see it on ubuntu ? |
| 09:59.14 | petn-randall | ... |
| 09:59.25 | petn-randall | jhonnyBeGood: If you want to update your Ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu |
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| 10:00.54 | jhonnyBeGood | sorry i tought that I was there! |
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| 10:08.31 | bitcoinx | ok I found out the following: When running galculator in the terminal, I get these GTK warnings: http://paste.debian.net/972886/ Any ideas? |
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| 10:10.59 | Ke | what is the red colour here for armhf and ppc64el |
| 10:11.01 | Ke | https://packages.debian.org/sid/rustc |
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| 10:11.38 | petn-randall | bitcoinx: Is that a theme shipped with Debian, or a 3rd party one? |
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| 10:12.27 | bitcoinx | petn-randall: I don't know. I've not installed any third party theme though |
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| 10:12.31 | fallentree | Ke: in the table at the bottom? old version, green is latest. |
| 10:12.46 | Ke | thanks |
| 10:13.31 | bitcoinx | the theme is 'XFCE' but it seems to work for some applications (which look ok) but not for others |
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| 10:13.44 | MyMumPongs | Hello, so I have a security question. Telnet uses no encyptions and is by that very unsafe. Compared to SSH, that is. But it wont really matter if I connect though the local IP, right? No one can see the transmitted data in this house, but using port forwarding will be outright dangerous, yes? |
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| 10:15.05 | Ke | MyMumPongs: in theory ethernet can be read from a close proximity over the air IIRC |
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| 10:15.29 | MyMumPongs | Whaaaat, really? So its a security breach anyway? |
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| 10:15.37 | grig | telnet exposes usernames, passwords and data in clear as they traverse the network |
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| 10:16.09 | Ke | MyMumPongs: it's extremely unlikely that anyone has antennas like that listening nearby |
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| 10:16.27 | MyMumPongs | In know that, grig, that's why I'm asking. I'm on Windows 3.11 now and my only way of commucation to my server is to use telnet. |
| 10:16.47 | Ke | either way I definitely recommend not making a habit out of unencrypted communication |
| 10:16.51 | fallentree | not just antennas. if you don't use switched network, anyone could plug in a NIC and run it in promiscuous mode (if your network is such allowing random people to connecto to it, even in LAN), reading all your packets. |
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| 10:17.58 | MyMumPongs | Fallentree, that's another point, im on a wifi extender and I can reach the local router network but they can ping me, so yeah. But that would still be seen on the server itself, right |
| 10:17.59 | grig | MyMumPongs : make sure nobody intercepts your telnet session from your Win 3.11 to your server (crossover cable, maybe?) and you should be fine |
| 10:18.17 | Ke | also what is far easier is hacking your smartphone and listening to your keyboard sounds |
| 10:18.22 | fallentree | MyMumPongs: not sure why you're even considering the option of telnet. |
| 10:18.47 | MyMumPongs | Cause SSH does not run on Windows 3 |
| 10:19.19 | fallentree | Windows 3? Seriously? In a modern network? Does that even have tcp/ip stack? |
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| 10:19.32 | MyMumPongs | Anyway, so it should be fine as long as no one can easily listen en scan for packets, yes. |
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| 10:19.57 | MyMumPongs | fallentree, yes Microsoft did release a TCP/IP driver disk, it works just fine with DHCP |
| 10:20.03 | grig | chech TeraTerm for Win 3.11, it has SSH2 support |
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| 10:20.09 | grig | https://www.heise.de/download/product/tera-term-51776 |
| 10:20.23 | MyMumPongs | grig: really? I should try that then |
| 10:20.37 | Ke | =D |
| 10:20.47 | fallentree | MyMumPongs: for win 3? are you sure? |
| 10:21.11 | MyMumPongs | Hey, if I can find an old enough version that allows the Win32S libraries, it should work |
| 10:21.14 | grig | sorry, Win 3.11 is not supported |
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| 10:21.21 | MyMumPongs | OH damnit. |
| 10:21.24 | spectei | hey all |
| 10:21.26 | fallentree | MyMumPongs: win32 libs on win 3? nah |
| 10:21.31 | spectei | i just upgraded firefox and now it's 3x as slow |
| 10:21.32 | fallentree | MyMumPongs: but eh... consider virtualization |
| 10:21.35 | spectei | is there a way to "undo" the upgrade ? |
| 10:22.01 | spectei | this is the version i have: 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1 |
| 10:22.03 | spectei | this is the version i want: 45.8.0esr-1 |
| 10:22.09 | grig | here's a Win 3.x version of TeraTerm |
| 10:22.10 | MyMumPongs | fallentree, yes, my server already has that running, multiple, but all my PC's broke down and this works |
| 10:22.12 | grig | http://www.conradshome.com/win31/ |
| 10:22.29 | MyMumPongs | grig, lets see |
| 10:22.45 | fallentree | MyMumPongs: if you need to run some ultra old legacy app on windows 3.11, consider virtualizing it on modern hardware. then you can vpn the network and have it safe. |
| 10:23.05 | fallentree | but it really sounds like a non-issue. what do you need win 3.11 for? |
| 10:23.19 | MyMumPongs | Downloading now at 3KB/sec |
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| 10:24.20 | MyMumPongs | fallentree, cause I'm a retro guy, I'm broke, my laptop is dead, and I found drivers for my 1993 ISA network card, so I installed all drivers, and tadaaa it working |
| 10:24.23 | spectei | aha, i can do: sudo apt-get install firefox-esr=45.8.0esr-1 |
| 10:24.26 | MyMumPongs | download complete, lets see |
| 10:24.38 | spectei | but then i get E: No s'ha pogut obtenir http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/firefox-esr/firefox-esr_45.8.0esr-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 194.71.11.173 80] |
| 10:25.12 | fallentree | MyMumPongs: okay, but what do you want to use that win 3.11 for? |
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| 10:25.19 | fallentree | browse the net? |
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| 10:26.15 | MyMumPongs | TeraTerm installed |
| 10:26.36 | MyMumPongs | fallentree, Opera 3,62 works in Windows 3 and its not that bad actually |
| 10:27.01 | fallentree | MyMumPongs: well for starters (completely ignoring security issues), you won't be able to browse sites using modern html5 code, nor any https site |
| 10:27.12 | jelly | MyMumPongs, grig: support for win 3.1 is a bit out of the scope of this channel. Try using ##windows-legacy |
| 10:27.45 | MyMumPongs | Fail, TeraTerm 1.4 is telnet only |
| 10:28.19 | MyMumPongs | I know jelly, but that was not my original questions |
| 10:28.31 | MyMumPongs | I'll have a look |
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| 10:29.30 | mrr0butt | spectei, apt-get install pkgname=version |
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| 10:29.59 | mrr0butt | spectei, apt-get install firefox-esr=45.8.0esr-1 |
| 10:30.02 | jelly | ,v firefox-esr |
| 10:30.03 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.2.0esr-1; sid: 52.2.0esr-1 |
| 10:30.19 | MyMumPongs | Thanx for the help anyway! |
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| 10:30.47 | jelly | mrr0butt: they're gone. Also that will only work is that version is available in a repo they have configured. |
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| 10:31.01 | jelly | ,v firefox-esr |
| 10:31.02 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.2.0esr-1; sid: 52.2.0esr-1 |
| 10:31.30 | jelly | spectei: ^^ only 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1 is avaiable from 45esr series, and that will be for a short time, too |
| 10:32.08 | spectei | hmm, for some reason i don't have that |
| 10:32.18 | jelly | spectei: if you need outdated, insecure versions of software from some point in the past for testing or whatnot, /msg dpkg snapshot |
| 10:32.23 | spectei | my apt line is: deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 10:32.36 | spectei | jelly, well, as i mentioned, the new one is unusably slow |
| 10:32.39 | spectei | the old one was acceptably fast |
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| 10:32.52 | spectei | i'll take an outdated, insecure fast browser over an unusably slow one |
| 10:32.56 | mac_ | i know this may be incredibly annoying but could anyone be so kind as to help me with the proper commands, if its that simple, when it comes to viewing available files to transfer and how to begin or initiaite one |
| 10:33.06 | mac_ | i would be so very grateful |
| 10:33.06 | jelly | spectei: you're on testing. All sorts of crap are going to break anyway after the release, the browser is least of your worries |
| 10:33.32 | spectei | jelly, what would you suggest my apt line to be ? |
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| 10:33.56 | jelly | spectei: I would suggest installing current stable release, debian 9. |
| 10:34.16 | spectei | ok |
| 10:34.35 | spectei | let me try that |
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| 10:34.44 | spectei | thanks :) |
| 10:35.18 | jelly | you'll still have firefox 52esr, but perhaps less broken a system elsewhere |
| 10:35.39 | spectei | ah |
| 10:35.46 | spectei | how can i get back to 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1 ? |
| 10:36.01 | spectei | there isn't much point in down/upgrading if the browser is still slow |
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| 10:40.33 | spectei | i turned off multiprocess something or other |
| 10:40.35 | spectei | now it's a bit better |
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| 10:42.17 | mabynogy | hello |
| 10:42.27 | jelly | spectei: maybe, but you seem to expect things to work, and sources pointed to testing are going to be a REALLY rocky ride next couple weeks |
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| 10:43.55 | spectei | i'm a terrible person |
| 10:43.59 | spectei | i've had this laptop for 4 years |
| 10:44.02 | spectei | it's a mac |
| 10:44.08 | spectei | i'm running debian and gnome fallback |
| 10:44.17 | spectei | i expect about 50% of things to work |
| 10:44.43 | spectei | the webcam doesn't work, the hardware video acceleration doesn't work, the sdd spews errors that fill up my logs |
| 10:45.06 | spectei | there is some weird black bar at the top of my screen |
| 10:45.15 | petn-randall | !enter |
| 10:45.15 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 10:45.59 | spectei | the only thing i kind of expect to work is 1) my browser, 2) my terminal, 3) xchat ... if those are working i'm pretty fine ... it's a fairly low bar :D |
| 10:48.09 | DoctorD90 | guys, how could I set from command line default program for an extension? like mp4? as from GUI properties> open with> set as default |
| 10:48.30 | DoctorD90 | command mp4 vlc for example..nothing like this? |
| 10:48.31 | spectei | i have another computer where most of the stuff also doesn't work, but i'm better about keeping that one updated |
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| 10:50.50 | Mahe | DoctorD90, for Xfce there's xfce4-mime-settings, dunno about other DEs |
| 10:51.23 | DoctorD90 | Mahe sorry. you have right. I use Gnome |
| 10:52.05 | Mahe | DoctorD90, essentially it boils down to ~/.config/mimeapps.list |
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| 10:52.18 | Mahe | the Xfce tool is just a GUI for that |
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| 10:53.32 | DoctorD90 | uhm....so do you suggest to just edit that file....adding line i use...this is a start at least, even if I hoped in a command line |
| 10:54.03 | DoctorD90 | but thx you Mahe ;) afk lunch |
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| 11:12.02 | dionysus69 | Mahe: hey |
| 11:12.05 | dionysus69 | I still need help |
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| 11:12.15 | dionysus69 | as I said I was successful at launching jack with jackd -R -d alsa -d hw:1 |
| 11:12.36 | dionysus69 | but atm I cant even do that anymore it says default already active failed to open server |
| 11:12.49 | dionysus69 | and I followed your full tutorial. no sound was routing |
| 11:13.24 | dionysus69 | I think your tutorial lacked one important point, I didnt notice anywhere that before starting up jack, you killed pulseaudio, because jack cant start unless you kill pulseaudio first |
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| 11:15.55 | zjoeke | hello is there a way to adjust grafix options like more performance less quality? |
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| 11:16.28 | bazhang | zjoeke, more performance doing what |
| 11:17.04 | Mahe | dionysus69, in the full guide look at the "pre" script, there's a "pacmd suspend true" |
| 11:17.23 | zjoeke | just in general its an intel i915 onboard chip |
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| 11:17.51 | dionysus69 | oh ok i didnt know that was doing same as pulseaudio -k |
| 11:18.02 | Mahe | dionysus69, it isn't |
| 11:18.17 | Mahe | but it should suffice in releasing the control of the audio hardware device |
| 11:18.25 | Mahe | so that jack can grab it |
| 11:18.30 | dionysus69 | Mahe: anyways, I followed the full guide and audio wasnt routing :| mp3 was playing in rhythmbox for example and it was mute |
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| 11:18.51 | dionysus69 | if you got time can you help me troubleshoot this? |
| 11:18.54 | Mahe | you have omitted the calf stuff I presume? |
| 11:18.59 | dionysus69 | nope |
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| 11:19.16 | dionysus69 | Just ommited saving a calf.conf but is that required? |
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| 11:19.41 | dionysus69 | I was going to save calf.conf after I configure it, but I cant configure it without testing right :D |
| 11:19.42 | Mahe | no, just for subsequent re-usage of the startup procedure |
| 11:20.13 | dionysus69 | anyways jack requires for the calf main window to be open |
| 11:20.19 | dionysus69 | not the eqaulizer itself right |
| 11:20.30 | dionysus69 | so it does startup as the pre script tells it to |
| 11:20.30 | Mahe | that's correct |
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| 11:20.46 | dionysus69 | still no sound though, I think something is wrong with the way jack is started |
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| 11:21.11 | dionysus69 | as I said, I was able to make sonic pi working only after I started jack with this command specifally jackd -R -d alsa -d hw:1 |
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| 11:22.48 | Mahe | you should open up the EQ in the calf window, there are some visual volume bar indicators at the top - check if any of them moves when you play audio |
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| 11:24.18 | dionysus69 | ok let me check |
| 11:25.10 | zjoeke | hello is there a way to adjust grafix options like more performance less quality? |
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| 11:26.19 | Mahe | zjoeke, you can try disabling compositing in the "window manager tweaks" settings |
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| 11:27.04 | hellyeah | hey |
| 11:27.17 | hellyeah | is there any problem here http://dpaste.com/2M2QY0T |
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| 11:28.27 | dionysus69 | Mahe: yep the volume bars are moving, but I also had to manually switch rhythmbox output stream from built in speaker to jack sink (pulseaudio JACK Sink) |
| 11:28.31 | dionysus69 | but ye, no sound |
| 11:28.37 | dionysus69 | so what else should I check next ? :D |
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| 11:29.32 | dionysus69 | one lil detail, pre and post scripts aren't run everytime I restart server or start qjackctl app. I had to open EQ manually too. just little unexpected |
| 11:29.37 | zjoeke | mahe im using xfce does it have that option? |
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| 11:31.48 | Mahe | zjoeke, that option actually is xfce specific |
| 11:32.29 | Mahe | for a moment I thought being in the xfce channel so I accidently replied with the xfce option |
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| 11:34.08 | Mahe | dionysus69, please close Rhythmbox, execute the 3 commands in the "post" script manually and then start Rhythmbox again |
| 11:34.26 | dionysus69 | let me do that, I ll be back :)) |
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| 11:37.03 | zjoeke | wich command shows list of hardware? |
| 11:37.16 | hellyeah | lspci |
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| 11:38.01 | dionysus69 | Mahe: nope didn't help :\ |
| 11:38.26 | Mahe | dionysus69, did the commands spout any error messages? |
| 11:38.31 | dionysus69 | pacmd set-default-sink jack_out this line for example, is this supposed to redirect pulseaudio audio traffic to jack? |
| 11:38.46 | dionysus69 | if yes, it doesnt I still have to open pavucontrol and change manually |
| 11:38.50 | dionysus69 | no errors |
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| 11:39.04 | Mahe | yes, this tells pulse to use the JACK output for any new application per default |
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| 11:39.20 | Mahe | if you have to adjust that manually with pavucontrol, something's wrong |
| 11:39.39 | dionysus69 | pacmd suspend true |
| 11:39.39 | dionysus69 | calfjackhost --load ~/.config/jack/calf.conf & |
| 11:39.39 | dionysus69 | pactl load-module module-jack-sink channels=2 connect=0 |
| 11:39.39 | dionysus69 | pactl set-sink-volume jack_out 75% |
| 11:39.39 | dionysus69 | pacmd set-default-sink jack_out |
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| 11:39.58 | dionysus69 | omg autokick |
| 11:40.09 | Neurorebel | hello, I have to solve the mystery of xfce-weather |
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| 11:40.26 | Neurorebel | Can you send me the mystery machine? |
| 11:40.38 | kupi | hi |
| 11:40.44 | Neurorebel | hello |
| 11:40.45 | dionysus69 | Mahe: ok so what could be wrong, maybe name jack_out should be something else in my case? |
| 11:40.54 | Neurorebel | it says "no data" |
| 11:40.58 | kupi | how can I change requirements for an init.d script? |
| 11:41.06 | dionysus69 | maybe gnome specific problem because it is tightly pulseaudio integrated? |
| 11:41.09 | kupi | systemd automatically generates the service so I can't edit it |
| 11:41.19 | dionysus69 | you sure pacmd suspend true is the right way to kill it? |
| 11:41.43 | Neurorebel | it seems that I have the wrong version |
| 11:42.00 | Neurorebel | my version is 0.8.3 |
| 11:43.22 | zjoeke | why is it when i run a live deb8 its faster then when i install? |
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| 11:44.36 | Mahe | dionysus69, maybe have a look at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Examples#PulseAudio_through_JACK (it's Arch but the info might be valuable nonetheless) |
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| 11:45.37 | dionysus69 | of the five comands I posted |
| 11:45.53 | dionysus69 | none of them are actually launching the jack server |
| 11:46.02 | dionysus69 | did you imply I have to do that too |
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| 11:46.09 | Neurorebel | why is it that i dont have the latest version of xfce-weather? |
| 11:46.11 | zjoeke | esecially firefox runs much slower when i liveboot |
| 11:46.19 | dionysus69 | if yes which command should I use to launch jack server |
| 11:46.21 | Mahe | dionysus69, yes I did actually |
| 11:46.25 | Neurorebel | I recently did apt update/upgrade |
| 11:46.37 | zjoeke | i mean faster |
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| 11:47.31 | Neurorebel | nobody here uses the weather plugin=? |
| 11:47.45 | Mahe | dionysus69, use QJackCtl, disable the scripts in options temporarily |
| 11:47.57 | dionysus69 | kk sounds good |
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| 11:48.53 | dionysus69 | note: there are now 2 PulseAudio JACK sinks in connect list of jack control panel |
| 11:49.10 | dionysus69 | hope that's not an issue :S :D |
| 11:49.39 | dionysus69 | at this moment I think the core issue is that the way qjackctl launches the jack server, it's not actually launching correctly |
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| 11:51.41 | mabynogy | https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Debian_9_.22Stretch.22 |
| 11:51.45 | Mahe | dionysus69, you can use "pactl unload-module module-jack-sink" to get rid of excess sinks |
| 11:51.51 | mabynogy | is it obsolete? |
| 11:52.07 | mabynogy | I have a "virtualbox not found" |
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| 11:53.25 | dionysus69 | you dont have sources added to the sources.list probably mabynogy |
| 11:53.35 | hellyeah | how can i fix this error? http://dpaste.com/2K9BK93 |
| 11:53.41 | dionysus69 | I dont think virtualbox should be in native repos |
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| 11:55.10 | dionysus69 | Mahe: ye now it worked |
| 11:55.15 | dionysus69 | but I dont know what went different. |
| 11:55.35 | zjoeke | im using a hp compact dc 7100 from 2004 should i use older drivers or are they uptodate? |
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| 11:55.46 | dionysus69 | I have same script in pre post scripts |
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| 11:56.26 | mabynogy | added "deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian yakkety contrib" to /etc/apt/sources.list.d with nano (previously empty) dionysus69 |
| 11:57.15 | dionysus69 | Mahe whats this red 1(2) |
| 11:57.17 | dionysus69 | https://postimg.org/image/vqpbi7kf3/ |
| 11:57.33 | dionysus69 | then it became 2(3) now its 3(4) and jack system tray icon is blinking red |
| 11:57.45 | dionysus69 | but hell ye it works |
| 11:58.03 | Neurorebel | How can I have the latest version of xfce4-goodies? |
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| 11:59.05 | dionysus69 | mabynogy: I dont have that line in my sources but I still have virtualbox 5.1 in repos |
| 11:59.16 | mabynogy | I replace "yaketty" with "stretch" |
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| 11:59.29 | dionysus69 | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free |
| 11:59.30 | dionysus69 | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free |
| 11:59.31 | Neurorebel | mine is 4.10 |
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| 12:00.31 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
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| 12:00.50 | Neurorebel | How can I have the latest version of xfce4-goodies? |
| 12:00.53 | Neurorebel | mine is 4.10 |
| 12:00.56 | Mahe | dionysus69, the red numbers are "xruns", they indicate that your system can't keep up with JACK and you might get audio imperfections or lag possibly |
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| 12:01.17 | dionysus69 | ye there are some glitches |
| 12:01.23 | dionysus69 | but nothing serious |
| 12:01.41 | dionysus69 | I only have one earpiece so I cant really tell the quality |
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| 12:01.59 | dionysus69 | left and right streams are devided, that's what I can tell at least :D |
| 12:02.07 | dionysus69 | divided* |
| 12:02.16 | Neurorebel | I miss my weather in the panel... |
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| 12:02.52 | Mahe | dionysus69, you might have to play around with the advanced settings like frames and buffer settings |
| 12:03.01 | Mahe | to reduce the xruns |
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| 12:03.16 | dionysus69 | ah :D I am very noob in terms of audio world. I just wanted to play with sonic pi :D |
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| 12:04.31 | Neurorebel | I see that you are busy today |
| 12:04.39 | Neurorebel | Ill solve it later |
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| 12:07.22 | mabynogy | thanks dionysus69 I added the lines to sources.list I wonder if something is note broken in apt-get-update |
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| 12:07.23 | mabynogy | Ign:1 http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian stretch InRelease |
| 12:07.24 | mabynogy | Atteint:2 http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates InRelease |
| 12:07.24 | mabynogy | Atteint:3 http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian stretch-updates InRelease |
| 12:07.24 | mabynogy | Atteint:4 http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian stretch Release |
| 12:07.24 | mabynogy | Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait |
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| 12:07.47 | BluesKaj | !fr |
| 12:07.48 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr. |
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| 12:08.19 | mabynogy | oops |
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| 12:08.24 | ytrezq | Hello, how to get openal sound being sent to nvidia hdmi instead of intel hda ? |
| 12:08.25 | hellyeah | damn |
| 12:08.26 | mabynogy | I expected to see "non-free" or "contrib" in the lines above... |
| 12:08.43 | ytrezq | mabynogy: ce n’est pas grave |
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| 12:08.52 | dionysus69 | maybe french docs are outdated |
| 12:08.57 | dionysus69 | look for english :D |
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| 12:09.19 | ytrezq | mabynogy: toutefois, tu risque d’avoir plus de monde pour te répondre si tu parle ici en anglais |
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| 12:10.30 | donatas | Hi. Can "tasksel" be used on debian desktop environment to install web server service (without breaking desktop environment)? |
| 12:10.31 | mabynogy | ;) ytrezq It's not me but bash that speak french! |
| 12:10.41 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, intel sends the pcm or spdif digital signal to your hdmi audio out as well as the analog to it's output |
| 12:11.21 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: I tried several things https://superuser.com/q/1222051/282033 |
| 12:11.30 | ytrezq | I don’t know what should I do |
| 12:12.01 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, set the hdmi audio out in pavucontrol i you use pulseaudio, but make sure your spdif is enabled in alsamixer |
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| 12:12.14 | forcerecon | Morning everyone |
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| 12:12.50 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: I tried it doesn’t works https://superuser.com/q/1222051/282033 |
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| 12:13.19 | forcerecon | I think I asked this question before but is there any way to change the default browser to Tor for all the apps in Debian that won't get overwritted with updates |
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| 12:13.47 | ytrezq | but there’s no spdif cable with my graphic card so maybe it’s normal, meaning the spdif isn’t the normal way to proceeed |
| 12:14.41 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, paste a screenshot of your alsamixer setup |
| 12:15.05 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: everything is here https://superuser.com/q/1222051/282033 |
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| 12:15.36 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, spdif is internal,it sends the signal to hdmi if enabled |
| 12:16.04 | wzr3627 | what is the correct live-manual version for stretch? i am trying to have live persistence and it does not work anymore. in jessie it worked. |
| 12:16.09 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: then there’s a problem |
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| 12:16.24 | ytrezq | over pci express?[23/06/2017 14:15:37] <BluesKaj> ytrezq, spdif is internal,it sends the signal to hdmi if enabled |
| 12:16.33 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, that's not your alsamixer , that's the tutorial |
| 12:17.02 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: it‘s my alsamixer screenshots in the question |
| 12:17.30 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: It was just to show I enabled spdif on both cards |
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| 12:20.10 | Neurorebel | how can I upgrade to ther latest version of xfce4? |
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| 12:21.04 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, F6 choose the card you want to use if you have 2 , one needs to be card0 and the card1 |
| 12:21.27 | BluesKaj | the other card 1 |
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| 12:22.06 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: which I did https://i.stack.imgur.com/0hUaA.png https://i.stack.imgur.com/pBCQx.png |
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| 12:22.38 | dionysus69 | Mahe: hey I found a core misbehaviour that made my setting up experience a hell |
| 12:23.00 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: I unmuted spdif outputs on all cards |
| 12:23.05 | dionysus69 | it is when I click stop server in qjackctl panel, the process actually stays running! |
| 12:23.27 | ytrezq | cmd: 0 [PCH ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH |
| 12:23.28 | ytrezq | cmd: HDA Intel PCH at 0xef420000 irq 136 |
| 12:23.30 | ytrezq | cmd: 1 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia |
| 12:23.31 | ytrezq | cmd: HDA NVidia at 0xef080000 irq 17 |
| 12:23.43 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, just use one card as default |
| 12:24.02 | Internet-Manager | Good day! |
| 12:24.07 | Internet-Manager | I am the new administrator. |
| 12:24.08 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: I have no idea on how to change the default card |
| 12:24.11 | Internet-Manager | How are you all? |
| 12:24.29 | BluesKaj | F6 in alsamixer, ytrezq |
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| 12:24.57 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: again, I did it https://i.stack.imgur.com/pBCQx.png |
| 12:25.12 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: yes, I used the F6 key https://i.stack.imgur.com/pBCQx.png |
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| 12:25.25 | Neurorebel | just unmute it!!! |
| 12:25.40 | ytrezq | Neurorebel: it is unmuted |
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| 12:25.41 | Neurorebel | M key |
| 12:26.12 | Neurorebel | you are in real trouble then |
| 12:26.17 | BluesKaj | use spdif 1 , ytrezq |
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| 12:26.47 | Neurorebel | generally my relation with alsa is m/m |
| 12:26.49 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: do you mean I need to mute other spdif outputs? |
| 12:27.05 | BluesKaj | Neurorebel, MM means muted |
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| 12:27.19 | BluesKaj | yes |
| 12:27.24 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, |
| 12:27.26 | Neurorebel | ytrezq pler dont listen to me |
| 12:27.31 | Neurorebel | please |
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| 12:28.22 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: do I need to do the same on the intel card? |
| 12:28.45 | Internet-Manager | any technical experts here? |
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| 12:29.53 | zykotick9 | Internet-Manager: if you have a question - you should ask it. with details, all on one line (and don't include my nick in it) |
| 12:29.58 | Internet-Manager | ==== any technical experts here? ==== |
| 12:30.09 | donatas | Internet-manager :) I like your nick name |
| 12:30.11 | Internet-Manager | can anyone help me with my computer |
| 12:30.17 | Internet-Manager | thank you donatas you souond really nice too |
| 12:31.00 | Mahe | computers? I have heard of them before iirc |
| 12:31.08 | Internet-Manager | hi mahe |
| 12:31.22 | Internet-Manager | or should i say, "HALLO!" |
| 12:31.28 | yans | Internet-Manager you need some super fix? |
| 12:31.30 | Internet-Manager | Ja Ja! |
| 12:31.36 | Internet-Manager | yes yans |
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| 12:32.26 | Neurorebel | how can I fix weather plugin?? |
| 12:32.57 | yans | Internet-Manager you need to watch this then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpH1Zn3hPuI |
| 12:32.58 | Neurorebel | nobody uses X Here? |
| 12:33.11 | yans | and call Ed's super fix it service |
| 12:33.17 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: I mean on https://i.stack.imgur.com/0hUaA.png |
| 12:33.35 | Internet-Manager | hehe yans |
| 12:33.39 | Neurorebel | I desist! |
| 12:34.29 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, you need to use one card as card 0 , the other as card 1, then can switch if tou want to with F6 |
| 12:34.31 | Internet-Manager | i like this picture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j77I7PetvWk |
| 12:34.36 | Mahe | Neurorebel, you on jessie or stretch? |
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| 12:35.02 | Neurorebel | jessie |
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| 12:35.15 | Neurorebel | it was jessie last time |
| 12:35.20 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: didn’t you see the screenshots? |
| 12:35.24 | Neurorebel | how do i retriecve version?? |
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| 12:36.16 | Neurorebel | here isd the version I want https://packages.debian.org/sid/xfce/xfce4-weather-plugin |
| 12:36.18 | ytrezq | ytrezq: if I understand F6 allows to select witch card to configure but it doesn’t allows to change the default sound card |
| 12:36.35 | Neurorebel | but i have version 0.8.3 Idk why |
| 12:36.35 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, you have options to us eboth cards m v=but not at the sma etime |
| 12:36.55 | BluesKaj | not at the same time |
| 12:37.16 | yans | Internet-Manager here you go http://www.wallpapersbyte.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Moon-Drinking-Beer-Carlsberg-Space-Astronaut-WallpapersByte-com-3840x2160.jpg |
| 12:37.24 | Internet-Manager | Thank you yans!!!! |
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| 12:38.12 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: did you noticed the sound card names in the top left corner https://i.stack.imgur.com/0hUaA.png https://i.stack.imgur.com/pBCQx.png |
| 12:38.19 | ytrezq | ? |
| 12:38.24 | BluesKaj | yt ised 2 cards for a while, but it became too clunky to manage so i stuck with my intel hda |
| 12:38.36 | BluesKaj | ytrezq,^ |
| 12:38.58 | Mahe | Neurorebel, did you try downloading and installing the deb package via the link at the bottom of this page? |
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| 12:39.07 | Neurorebel | E: No se ha podido localizar el paquete xfce4-weather-plugin_0.8.9-1 |
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| 12:39.42 | Neurorebel | Ifg you guide my though compiling ill try mahe |
| 12:39.59 | ytrezq | I’m not english native speaker so I don’t understand [23/06/2017 14:38:24] <BluesKaj> yt ised 2 cards for a while, but it became too clunky to manage so i stuck with my intel hda |
| 12:40.18 | Mahe | Neurorebel, why compile when you can simply install the built deb? |
| 12:40.28 | BluesKaj | I used 2 cards for a while... |
| 12:40.32 | Neurorebel | how?? |
| 12:40.52 | BluesKaj | ytrezq,^ |
| 12:41.03 | Mahe | Neurorebel, click the "amd64" link at the bottom of the page you linked before |
| 12:41.12 | Neurorebel | I download and run like windows?? |
| 12:41.13 | Mahe | (assuming you are running an x64 system) |
| 12:42.09 | Mahe | Neurorebel, install "gdebi-core" and then try "gdebi xfce4-weather-plugin_0.8.9-1_amd64.deb" |
| 12:42.28 | Neurorebel | i have no amd processor i think |
| 12:42.40 | Neurorebel | its x86 intel |
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| 12:43.18 | Neurorebel | i386 |
| 12:43.33 | Mahe | what does "uname -m" say? |
| 12:44.00 | Neurorebel | i686 |
| 12:44.12 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, i used 2 cards for a while, but it became too difficult to manage so i used just one, the intel hda |
| 12:44.14 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: I also tried to remove the specific snd_hda_intel in the hope I would get the other sound card as default, but in that case, alsamixer refuses to open |
| 12:44.29 | Mahe | Neurorebel, use the "i368" link on the bottom of the packages page then |
| 12:44.38 | Mahe | and install that through gdebi |
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| 12:46.05 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, give me a few minutes ...brb |
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| 12:46.18 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: thanks. |
| 12:46.22 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: I’ll wait |
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| 12:47.29 | Neurorebel | Mahe I cant find the i386 link |
| 12:47.42 | Neurorebel | could you please send it to me? |
| 12:47.47 | Mahe | Neurorebel, https://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/xfce4-weather-plugin/download |
| 12:48.00 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 12:48.01 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 12:48.35 | towo^work | this package from sid will never install in jessie |
| 12:48.39 | Neurorebel | thanks mae |
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| 12:49.22 | petn-randall | ,v xfce4-weather-plugin |
| 12:49.23 | judd | Package: xfce4-weather-plugin on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.7.4-5; wheezy-backports: 0.8.3-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.8.3-2; sid: 0.8.9-1; buster: 0.8.9-1; stretch: 0.8.9-1 |
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| 12:51.27 | iank | i've installed gnome-session-flashback, but it doesn't show up in gdm session options. any idea? |
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| 12:52.28 | Mahe | the plugin does install and work for me on jessie (I'm using Xfce 4.12 on there though) |
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| 12:53.15 | Neurorebel | Dependency is not satisfiable: libxfce4util7 (>= 4.9.0) |
| 12:53.15 | Neurorebel | } |
| 12:53.26 | Neurorebel | what is happening then? |
| 12:53.33 | petn-randall | Mahe: So you're mixing jessie and stretch? |
| 12:53.44 | Neurorebel | how is it that jessie dont have the latest |
| 12:53.47 | Mahe | Neurorebel, I'm sorry you'd need Xfce 4.12 for that |
| 12:53.58 | Neurorebel | that pluging works awsome on archlinux |
| 12:53.58 | Mahe | Neurorebel, jessie is oooold |
| 12:54.01 | petn-randall | Neurorebel: Yes, that was a bad recommendation. |
| 12:54.04 | petn-randall | !sns |
| 12:54.04 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 12:54.06 | Mahe | Neurorebel, stretch is the newest release |
| 12:54.12 | petn-randall | Mahe: We prefer the term "well tested". |
| 12:54.27 | Neurorebel | then I have to upgrade the distro |
| 12:54.39 | Neurorebel | how do I switch?? |
| 12:54.56 | petn-randall | !jessie->stretch |
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| 12:55.25 | petn-randall | pokes dpkg. |
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| 12:56.29 | Neurorebel | is it necessary to format??? |
| 12:56.33 | Mahe | petn-randall, I've been running a backported Xfce4.12 for more than a year, it's not directly from stretch. |
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| 12:57.09 | Neurorebel | do I have to install a new distro? |
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| 12:57.17 | Neurorebel | or can I upgrade? |
| 12:57.19 | petn-randall | !jessie->stretch |
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| 12:57.28 | petn-randall | dpkg: are you alive |
| 12:57.28 | dpkg | petn-randall: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 12:57.37 | Neurorebel | bash: !jessie: event not found |
| 12:57.38 | petn-randall | dpkg: jessie->stretch |
| 12:57.39 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 12:57.45 | petn-randall | Neurorebel: ^^^ |
| 12:58.13 | Neurorebel | ahhh dpkg |
| 12:58.22 | petn-randall | Neurorebel: Don't just blindly type stuff you see in here into the terminal. At least try to understand commands. |
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| 12:58.39 | Neurorebel | I know |
| 12:58.56 | Neurorebel | dpkg !jessie->stretch |
| 12:58.56 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, Neurorebel |
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| 12:59.41 | Neurorebel | ok thanks for all again |
| 13:00.03 | Neurorebel | ill upgrade as soon as ill be on mood |
| 13:00.23 | petn-randall | Neurorebel: Just make sure to make backups and read the release notes before doing so. |
| 13:01.37 | Neurorebel | Programa de gestión de paquetes de Debian `dpkg' versión 1.17.27 (i386) |
| 13:01.48 | Neurorebel | ok |
| 13:01.58 | petn-randall | !localized errors |
| 13:01.58 | dpkg | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
| 13:01.59 | Neurorebel | there says no warranty there... |
| 13:02.07 | Neurorebel | soo it can wait |
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| 13:02.25 | Neurorebel | depkg upgrade |
| 13:02.29 | Neurorebel | dpkg upgrade |
| 13:02.29 | dpkg | Upgrades keep your box from getting r00ted and reboots let you run new kernels. Stop obsessing about uptime already. It's not 1996. Refresh the lists of available packages "apt update", and then an "apt upgrade". Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <jessie->stretch>. |
| 13:02.59 | Neurorebel | dpkg <jessie->stretch> |
| 13:02.59 | dpkg | no idea, Neurorebel |
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| 13:03.05 | Neurorebel | dpkg jessie->stretch |
| 13:03.05 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 13:03.22 | Neurorebel | im analfabet |
| 13:03.25 | petn-randall | Neurorebel: What are you trying to do? |
| 13:03.27 | Neurorebel | bye |
| 13:03.37 | Neurorebel | nothing |
| 13:03.49 | Neurorebel | just thinking to upgrade to stretch |
| 13:04.04 | petn-randall | dpkg: jessie->stretch |
| 13:04.04 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 13:04.12 | petn-randall | Neurorebel: ^^^ this is the starting point to upgrade. |
| 13:04.18 | Neurorebel | is stable now? |
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| 13:04.29 | Neurorebel | yes i know |
| 13:04.38 | petn-randall | Neurorebel: *what* is stable now? |
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| 13:04.51 | Neurorebel | last month i tried toi upgrade an ubuntu from 1995 |
| 13:04.55 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, sorry I can't seem to find the correct documentation and coinfig files for alsa in debian ...I'm a former kubuntu user and the sound files are quite different |
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| 13:04.58 | Neurorebel | get for you! |
| 13:05.26 | Lowl3v3l1 | Neurorebel: 1995 there was no ubuntu |
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| 13:05.37 | Neurorebel | petn-randall, ANY IDEA WHEN WAS RELEASED? |
| 13:05.43 | Neurorebel | DPKG STRECH |
| 13:05.43 | dpkg | no idea, Neurorebel |
| 13:05.49 | Neurorebel | DPKG stretch |
| 13:05.49 | dpkg | Stretch is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch . Ask me about <install stretch>, <release notes>, <jessie->stretch>. |
| 13:05.53 | BluesKaj | perhaps someone with more debian audio knowledge can haelp ytrezq |
| 13:05.57 | petn-randall | Neurorebel: stretch? It was released last weekend. |
| 13:06.02 | Neurorebel | intresting |
| 13:06.13 | Neurorebel | DPKG jessie |
| 13:06.13 | dpkg | Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: http://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150426 . Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Currently <8.8>. |
| 13:06.20 | petn-randall | Neurorebel: /query dpkg |
| 13:06.25 | petn-randall | Neurorebel: please don't spam the channel. |
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| 13:06.42 | Neurorebel | ok |
| 13:06.54 | Neurorebel | may be is better to wait |
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| 13:07.12 | Neurorebel | for somebody to crash stretch |
| 13:07.18 | Neurorebel | and then upgrade |
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| 13:07.47 | Lowl3v3l1 | Neurorebel: as you do not really seem to have much of a clue : stretch is stable and stable is the go to branch for every newbie |
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| 13:08.17 | Neurorebel | yes but is still seems too new |
| 13:08.23 | Neurorebel | only one week |
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| 13:09.00 | forcerecon | okay, so I was able to change the default browser, but now I need to change the priority and status to auto.. |
| 13:09.16 | forcerecon | I found this - https://askubuntu.com/questions/620955/how-to-change-priorities-of-x-www-browser |
| 13:09.27 | forcerecon | I have already changed my browser |
| 13:09.29 | dionysus69 | Mahe: I have one question :D just realized I could play directly to system instead of calf equalizer :S :) |
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| 13:09.35 | bitblit | what's the diff between pairing/trusting a bluetooth device |
| 13:09.43 | forcerecon | 0 /usr/bin/firefox-esr 70 auto mode |
| 13:09.43 | forcerecon | * 1 /home/forcerecon/Downloads/tor-browser_en-US/start-tor-browser.desktop 1 manual mode |
| 13:09.43 | forcerecon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:11.17 | Mahe | dionysus69, yes as I mentioned before, you may omit the calf stuff - it is only there for system wide equalizing which was the point of the guide I linked |
| 13:11.22 | petn-randall | Neurorebel: It's been in "bugfix-only" mode since january, though. It's definitely stable enough for a desktop machine. |
| 13:11.43 | forcerecon | so what I am asking for before I screw something up is what is the command I use to make tor stay at 1 but have a higher priority and be auto |
| 13:12.08 | petn-randall | forcerecon: That doesn't make sense. |
| 13:12.11 | dionysus69 | Mahe :D thanks allot. I have a working config. but ye I dont know if you noticed I posted before that stopping server doesnt work in qjackctl :) I have to manually kill it :) |
| 13:12.33 | petn-randall | forcerecon: Either you want to *manually* pick a browser, or do it *automatically*. You can't do both. |
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| 13:12.52 | forcerecon | petn-randall: I want when I click a link in debian for it to launch TOR |
| 13:12.57 | forcerecon | from whatever app I am in |
| 13:13.21 | petn-randall | forcerecon: That's already what your settings do. |
| 13:13.32 | forcerecon | no.. it does not work.. |
| 13:13.51 | forcerecon | I am thinking it is due to the priority or status.. I am unsude |
| 13:13.52 | petn-randall | forcerecon: Note that many DEs (notably Gnome/KDE/Xfce) have a separate setting in the configuration menu. |
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| 13:13.57 | forcerecon | unsure |
| 13:14.06 | petn-randall | !xy problem |
| 13:14.07 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 13:14.34 | Neurorebel | thanks for all |
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| 13:14.56 | forcerecon | so what would these apps do if you uninstalled firefox completely? Would they just do nothing? |
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| 13:16.39 | forcerecon | there really should be a way to choose your browser of choice default more easily. Seems a bit convoluted to go through so much trouble.. |
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| 13:18.57 | forcerecon | petn-randall: that was funny.. I appreciate your wit! way to go.. lol |
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| 13:26.59 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: :( |
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| 13:27.54 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: sounds like i’ll need a a dvi to hdmi conveter in order to solve my software problems |
| 13:28.44 | ytrezq | but anyway, if I were on kubuntu, what would be the config files ? |
| 13:29.17 | Lowl3v3l1 | ytrezq: this is NOT a *buntu support channel but debian. you are wrong here |
| 13:29.54 | ytrezq | Lowl3v3l1: by writing this, I was suggesting /private |
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| 13:30.32 | wzr3627 | what is the correct live-manual version for stretch? i am trying to have live persistence and it does not work anymore. in jessie it worked. |
| 13:30.32 | ytrezq | Hello, how to get openal sound being sent to nvidia hdmi instead of intel hda ? https://i.stack.imgur.com/0hUaA.png https://i.stack.imgur.com/pBCQx.png https://superuser.com/q/1222051/282033 |
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| 13:33.24 | eugenmayer | are there any docs on how to get tomcat8 running under stretch? i see that CATALINA_HOME is /usr/share/tomcat8 and CATALINA_BASE is supossed to be /usr/local/tomcat? |
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| 13:34.15 | eugenmayer | oh no, /var/lib/tomcat8 is supposed to be the BASE,d amnt |
| 13:34.33 | sophiya | last time I tried to stretch a cat, it clawed me across the face |
| 13:34.51 | eugenmayer | fair deal sophiya :) |
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| 13:35.10 | wdouglass | why is wpa_supplicant a userspace application, instead of being implemented in the kernel? |
| 13:35.51 | sophiya | that's more of a question for the kernel folk, is it not? |
| 13:36.09 | wdouglass | yea, i just thought somebody here might know. I'm just curious. |
| 13:36.19 | eugenmayer | i cannot see how this is a kernel task |
| 13:36.25 | tremolo | Do you think it belongs in the kernel? |
| 13:36.33 | eugenmayer | configuration of wireless connection - perfect story for userspace |
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| 13:37.04 | sophiya | ^ |
| 13:37.05 | eugenmayer | having it in system-space as it was in the past is just bad by design |
| 13:37.10 | wdouglass | not necessarily configuration, it also manages wpa protocol state. the kernel manages WEP by itself, but not WPA. that's what i'm curious about |
| 13:37.36 | eugenmayer | nobody cared about WEP any longer, probably just a leftover i could imagine |
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| 13:38.12 | zjoeke | can i add the florence virtual keyboard to the standard login screen? |
| 13:38.24 | wzr3627 | wdouglass: you don't want to do all the crypto stuff + cert handling in the kernel. remember wpa_supplicant also handles EAP auth, not just wpa. |
| 13:38.27 | sophiya | WEP is obsolete, so no one cares to spend the time implementing it in userspace as is the case for wpa |
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| 13:39.04 | wdouglass | doesn't the kernel already have a whole crypto framework? |
| 13:39.05 | sophiya | though, 'an' implementation is still needed for legacy cases |
| 13:39.14 | sophiya | why does it matter anyhow |
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| 13:39.18 | wdouglass | it doesn't |
| 13:39.26 | wdouglass | i'm just trying to learn about design decisions. |
| 13:39.37 | wzr3627 | wdouglass: only as a crypto provider, not for x509 cert handling |
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| 13:40.10 | wdouglass | i see. thanks! |
| 13:40.17 | veek | what do you guys do about cruft unexplained |
| 13:40.32 | veek | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.42 | veek | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.54 | veek | plenty of stuff |
| 13:40.57 | eugenmayer | wdouglass: i woudl say generally design decisions do tend to go and put more and more into the user space which the user needs to run or configure, no matter what |
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| 13:41.23 | Laserburn | that's been linus' modus operandi for quite some time |
| 13:41.26 | wdouglass | eugenmayer: yea, i see that trend. |
| 13:41.27 | eugenmayer | wdouglass: system space is just a general, common configured layer and provider for functionalities |
| 13:41.49 | affix | Veek: ill put it in /bin/null |
| 13:42.06 | eugenmayer | wdouglass: and it all boils down to limit possible root-escalation |
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| 13:42.38 | veek | there's a whole bunch of /etc/selinux/default/modules/active/base.pp |
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| 13:44.01 | veek | anyone run cruft after the upgrade to 9 |
| 13:45.58 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, I use a dvi to hdmi cable connected to hdmi connection on my tv and the sound works fine |
| 13:46.23 | nvz | veek: thats not a question likely to find a meaninful answer here, try phrase a question that gets you useful informatuon |
| 13:46.51 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: but do you have an hdmi output ? |
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| 13:47.00 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, no |
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| 13:47.17 | ytrezq | sounds more normal |
| 13:47.20 | veek | nvz, has anyone experienced similar issues with cruft on 9? |
| 13:47.31 | BluesKaj | my pc is 2008 vintage |
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| 13:48.04 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: there are nvidia card with pci that proprose hdmi |
| 13:48.09 | nvz | veek: if you stated an issue i misssed it i just got here. |
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| 13:48.26 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: the last one was in the geforce 200 series |
| 13:48.31 | nvz | veek: bugs.debian.org answers those sorts of questions |
| 13:48.54 | nvz | veek: you check the reports and file one if one doesnt exist |
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| 13:50.51 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, yes mine is also pice nvidia geforce 210 |
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| 13:51.16 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: but without hdmi output :) |
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| 13:51.25 | ytrezq | both is possible |
| 13:51.30 | ytrezq | (pci and hdmi) |
| 13:51.40 | ytrezq | but it’s just a detail |
| 13:51.46 | Aebian | whats comon sense, MMB for pasting or right click? I once had to use MMB in order to paste stuff to like a terminal or so. But I don't remember which Desktop env it was |
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| 13:53.14 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: see /private tabs |
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| 13:53.45 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, it has hdmi output , but since the dvi to hdmi works I haven't bought a hdmi |
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| 13:53.51 | BluesKaj | cable |
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| 13:58.34 | veek | what package should i pick when reporting using reportbug - it's not cruft.. so.. |
| 13:59.01 | veek | upgrade-reports? |
| 13:59.24 | veek | i did up to 9 today |
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| 14:06.09 | themill | veek: perhaps you could be specific about what you're asking? |
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| 14:27.02 | Fyr | yesterday, I asked here, why my computer can be pinged, but it refuses SSH connection. The Debian 9 workstation tried to mount an HDD, however, failed. how can I make Debian boot even if it can't mount a partition? |
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| 14:29.35 | debiannotworking | somebody help debian stretch wifi not connecting to access point |
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| 14:30.16 | debiannotworking | first cd not accepted |
| 14:30.31 | debiannotworking | second root not connected |
| 14:30.53 | debiannotworking | and now this! wifi cannot connect to AP |
| 14:31.26 | mtn | debiannotworking: are you using networkmanager? |
| 14:31.27 | BluesKaj | which wifi chip? |
| 14:31.32 | debiannotworking | yes |
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| 14:31.53 | mtn | debiannotworking: I had same issues with my wifi, had to use wicd to get it to work |
| 14:31.54 | debiannotworking | i use networkmanager and it worked when installing |
| 14:32.32 | teraflops | debiannotworking: youre not using NM while in the installation media |
| 14:32.35 | debiannotworking | debian stretch comes with networkmanager |
| 14:32.44 | debiannotworking | not wicd |
| 14:32.58 | mtn | debiannotworking: yes, I know, but it can be installed ;) |
| 14:33.44 | greycat | It doesn't "come with" either one of them. They are both installable as dependencies of whatever task(s) you choose, though. |
| 14:33.55 | debiannotworking | debian networkmanager in stredch DOES NOT CONNECT to my ACCESS POINT |
| 14:34.29 | teraflops | debiannotworking: we all know how to read, there's no need of repeating same thing 1k times … |
| 14:34.56 | BluesKaj | debiannotworking,it would be good to know which wifi chip you have in order to find the correct driver |
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| 14:35.09 | fallentree | debiannotworking: NetworkManager did not work for me either, ended up writing a wpa_supplicant config file manually, which worked fine |
| 14:35.19 | debiannotworking | STFU and answer my problem... im not interested if u can read CAPS or not |
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| 14:35.26 | mtn | oh boy |
| 14:35.26 | fallentree | lol... bye. |
| 14:35.33 | spacebug^ | :) |
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| 14:35.43 | fallentree | ducks |
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| 14:35.54 | teraflops | debiannotworking: good luck with your problem, I dont care anymore |
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| 14:37.49 | greycat | Why didn't my +q work? |
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| 14:38.46 | fallentree | greycat: did you mean to use +b ? |
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| 14:38.59 | rafalcpp | fallentree: why shouldn't he read what we write? |
| 14:39.08 | greycat | Maybe it's just because I'm opped? Dunno. I stopped to try to find the docs for eir's time formatting. |
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| 14:39.27 | fallentree | rafalcpp: all the same with me. |
| 14:39.31 | cymen | I've installed apache and run a2ensite default-ssl and systemctl reload apache2 but port 443 is not open. Any advice? |
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| 14:40.24 | rafalcpp | debiannotworking: you realize people here are doing volountary help and are in big part just users like you? |
| 14:40.36 | rafalcpp | except if we have woman here, maybe they're getting moneys from debianwoman >> |
| 14:40.44 | BluesKaj | see debiannotworking, now your getting what you paid for |
| 14:41.17 | BluesKaj | you're |
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| 14:41.37 | rafalcpp | debiannotworking: you could try other network manager. though how to install it without a net. like wicd or what was it called |
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| 14:42.00 | rafalcpp | also lspci -vv might show model of the wifi, and then googling (from other comp) can show some hints about it |
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| 14:42.52 | debianjson | hi , can you provide me the line to install json on debian 7 ? |
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| 14:43.07 | rafalcpp | debianjson: json? do you mean to install "nodejs" ? |
| 14:43.12 | debianjson | yes |
| 14:43.21 | spacebug^ | rafalcpp: debianwomen? Are debian paying women or what is that? |
| 14:43.21 | rafalcpp | well like aptitude install nodejs then |
| 14:43.24 | debianjson | i get rid of this "package require json" |
| 14:43.25 | debianjson | ? |
| 14:43.34 | greycat | That sounds like Tcl. |
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| 14:43.41 | tdn | I have a debian repository that works fine for jessie. However, I just tried installing a jessie machine and added the signing key via apt-key and my repository as a source (all packages should be fine for both jessie and stretch). When I then try to install something from this repository, it says WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 14:43.44 | debianjson | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 14:43.45 | greycat | Are you writing in Tcl, Expect, Eggdrop, etc.? |
| 14:43.49 | debianjson | yes |
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| 14:43.58 | greycat | Then you need the json implementation in tcllib. |
| 14:44.04 | rafalcpp | spacebug^: there was some sexist program in debian that wanted to get people to help debian project as long if said contributors were of the correct gender, for some reasons. details are online |
| 14:44.17 | debianjson | how i'm gonna do that , greycat ? |
| 14:44.23 | greycat | Try installing tcllib |
| 14:44.26 | tdn | How do I obtain this trust/authentication? I have imported the key via apt-key add |
| 14:44.28 | spacebug^ | rafalcpp: hum ok |
| 14:44.38 | debianjson | im installing now , lets see |
| 14:45.06 | debianjson | seems json to got installed |
| 14:45.16 | debianjson | greycat can you tell me how to install tls also ? |
| 14:45.38 | debianjson | tcl-tls? |
| 14:45.59 | greycat | You can try it. I've never used that. |
| 14:46.07 | debianjson | got it ty |
| 14:46.09 | debianjson | for you time |
| 14:46.22 | homemdosaco | Hey folks. Anyone sith a scanner server updated to strtch? |
| 14:46.52 | cymen | Oh, I need an ssl module.... Can somebody recommend one? |
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| 14:47.06 | greycat | cymen: what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:47.39 | cymen | Set up apache with ssl. And there seems to be an nss option and a gnutls option. |
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| 14:49.14 | greycat | https://www.server-world.info/en/note?os=Debian_8&p=httpd&f=7 shows "a2enmod ssl" being used. |
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| 14:49.58 | greycat | I'm fairly sure the Apache ssl module is included with the Debian apache2-* packages already and just has to be activated. |
| 14:50.15 | cymen | ah that makes a lot more sense |
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| 14:51.16 | cymen | greycat: oh and this one actually works :D |
| 14:51.43 | wzr3627 | okay, solved the live persist problem myself: the filesystem layout for overlayfs is different from that for unionfs. the documentation is wrong for stretch, it only applies to jessie. |
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| 14:58.29 | wzr3627 | okay, another problem: the r/w-overlay filesystem doesn't get properly unmounted on shutdown/reboot. thus there is a ext4 journal reply on each live persistence boot. |
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| 15:12.02 | Quatroking | I just realized why my damn iso wouldn't boot yesterday and today |
| 15:12.13 | Quatroking | spent a good two hours yesterday trying to make a damn bootable usb |
| 15:12.24 | Quatroking | just realized I accidentally downloaded arm64 instead of amd64 |
| 15:12.29 | Quatroking | kill me now |
| 15:12.31 | greycat | heh |
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| 15:12.45 | iodev | :D |
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| 15:16.12 | sharp15 | i know it isn't generally requested but is there a way to install actual chrome (not chromium) on debian? |
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| 15:16.46 | greycat | Yeah, it's called "google-chrome" and it's in a third party repository (google's). |
| 15:16.57 | greycat | !google-chrome |
| 15:16.57 | dpkg | On multiarch amd64 systems, edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list and change "deb http://dl.google.com/..." to "deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/..." |
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| 15:17.07 | greycat | Hmm, that's not the whole thing. |
| 15:17.28 | sharp15 | where is it from? |
| 15:17.35 | debianjson | hey guys |
| 15:17.45 | debianjson | Additionally, a 403 Forbidden |
| 15:17.46 | greycat | deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main |
| 15:17.59 | debianjson | do i need apache to be installed to fetch something from another site? |
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| 15:18.14 | sharp15 | greycat: i meant the stuff dpkg just output. |
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| 15:18.20 | greycat | That line goes in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list and then you install google-chrome-stable (or something else if you're crazxy) |
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| 15:19.20 | debianjson | do i need to give an user , root permissions for that? |
| 15:19.31 | greycat | You have to be root to mess with that, yes. |
| 15:19.36 | debianjson | :-s |
| 15:19.43 | debianjson | can provide the cmd to make an user root ? |
| 15:20.04 | greycat | or... wait, you're someone else. I don't know what you are asking. |
| 15:20.24 | debianjson | i want to get some infos from another site , published here for exemple.. |
| 15:20.46 | sharp15 | greycat: i'm on my way. i've done sources.list editing before. i just wasn't sure what to put in. thank you. |
| 15:20.52 | greycat | debianjson: I don't understand. Do you just want to download a file from a web site? Are you setting up your own web site? |
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| 15:21.21 | debianjson | greycat i'm getting some lines from another site and i want them to posted them here |
| 15:21.38 | greycat | I cannot understand you. Please back up and explain what you are trying to do. |
| 15:21.42 | debianjson | so my root fetch some url and from that url i get some random lines |
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| 15:22.06 | debianjson | greycat i'm trying to fetch daily horoscope |
| 15:22.15 | debianjson | and paste it on irc |
| 15:22.31 | greycat | Copy it with the mouse, middle-click to paste into a terminal or into most X applications. |
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| 15:23.10 | debianjson | let me paste my script greycat to show you what i'm talking about |
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| 15:24.17 | greycat | 11:24 <-debianjson[~dada@98.206.44.5] https://pastebin.com/HrXNvkPW |
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| 15:24.44 | greycat | There's no shebang line or anything. I don't know what language this is for. |
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| 15:24.52 | greycat | 11:24 <-debianjson[~dada@98.206.44.5] set ipq [http::geturl "http://www.eastrolog.ro/horoscop-zilnic/horoscop-$alege_zodie.php"] |
| 15:25.02 | die7 | upgrading from 8 > 9 was done without issues, however kernel is still the same 3.16.0-4 |
| 15:25.07 | greycat | Now THAT one looks like Tck. Is this for Eggdrop? |
| 15:25.21 | greycat | STOP FUCKING /MSGING ME |
| 15:25.49 | greycat | COMMUNICATE IN THE CHANNEL, I WILL NOT BE YOUR PERSONAL ANSWER BITCH. |
| 15:26.04 | debianjson | ok... |
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| 15:26.10 | debianjson | sry |
| 15:26.13 | debianjson | =) |
| 15:26.15 | greycat | If you are writing an eggdrop script, ask in #eggdrop |
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| 15:29.09 | greycat | die7: you have to reboot into the new kernel, assuming it was installed (it should have been) |
| 15:29.53 | die7 | rebooted already, pakckage was not updated/installed nothing in new in /boot |
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| 15:30.43 | greycat | Make sure linux-image-and64 is installed (or the appropriate pkg for your arch, if you're not on amd64) |
| 15:30.48 | towo` | die7, maybe you haven't installed the kernel metapackage? |
| 15:31.02 | die7 | ahh, that's true |
| 15:31.10 | die7 | thank you ppl |
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| 15:35.44 | cymen | somehow I have gotten my locales screwed up during installation |
| 15:35.58 | cymen | I'm not sure how it happened but I would like to get rid of it :) |
| 15:36.44 | cymen | As root my LC_MONETARY, _NAME, _ADDRESS and a few more are wrong. |
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| 15:36.59 | cymen | Where do I change them? I grepped for them in /etc but couldn't find anything. |
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| 15:37.35 | greycat | cymen: if you use GNOME or other desktop environments, they are probably overridden by your DE. |
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| 15:38.23 | yossarianuk | Can anyone help me with installation of a custom MIB on debian ? |
| 15:38.27 | greycat | Otherwise, they're set wherever any environment variables can be set. Usually in a shell startup file, or a PAM config file. |
| 15:38.36 | yossarianuk | I have installed snmp-mibs-downloader |
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| 15:38.42 | yossarianuk | and downloaded mibs |
| 15:39.06 | yossarianuk | but I have a custom MIB provided by Tripplite (for a PDU) |
| 15:39.26 | yossarianuk | so I have added it to /usr/local/snmp/mibs/ |
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| 15:39.43 | yossarianuk | and added mibdirs /usr/local/snmp/mibs/ |
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| 15:39.51 | yossarianuk | to snmp.conf |
| 15:40.14 | yossarianuk | now when I use snmpwalk on any hosy (including local) I see lots of |
| 15:40.24 | yossarianuk | Cannot adopt OID in TRIPPLITE-12X: tlUpsInputVoltageEntry ::= { tlUpsInputVoltageTable 1 } |
| 15:40.30 | yossarianuk | (100's of entires) |
| 15:40.32 | HisaoNakai | Can anyone recommend a decent-performance ARM SBC which can run Debian without non-free firmware or any blobs? I'm kinda going crazy with all this searching around :\ |
| 15:40.36 | yossarianuk | what have I done wrong ? |
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| 15:41.36 | greycat | You might want to ask #debian-arm on OFTC. |
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| 15:42.28 | HisaoNakai | oh, thanks greycat |
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| 15:43.34 | r4mpage | HisaoNakai: scaleway xD sorta, what do you wanna do exactly ? |
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| 15:43.55 | r4mpage | for a server at home, no sure, wait AMD Risc V |
| 15:44.16 | HisaoNakai | r4mpage: AMD makes RISC-V stuff!? o_o |
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| 15:44.33 | r4mpage | HisaoNakai: officially, not, but they will. They are in the consortium |
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| 15:45.18 | HisaoNakai | r4mpage: I want to make a home server, want to avoid AMD and Intel. I would (and *will*, later) buy EOMA68-A20, but I can't wait until November :( |
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| 15:45.58 | yossarianuk | i.e what is the procedure for installing a custom MIB - i.;e I have uploaded MIB to folder, entered in /etc/snmp/snmp.conf -> ‎[16:39] ‎<‎yossarianuk‎>‎ and added |
| 15:46.00 | th0r | HisaoNakai, I run my home servers on raspberry pi. Not exactly debian, but the differences are slight |
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| 15:46.11 | brolin_empey | HisaoNakai: Openmoko GTA02? |
| 15:46.17 | yossarianuk | and now get lots of 'Cannot adopt OID in TRIPPLITE-12X' errore |
| 15:46.21 | yossarianuk | *errors* |
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| 15:48.01 | HisaoNakai | th0r: doesn't it need "nonfree software to start up"? according to https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/single-board-computers |
| 15:48.09 | HisaoNakai | brolin_empey: I...what o_o' |
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| 15:48.39 | greycat | Yay, I got the syntax right. |
| 15:48.40 | th0r | HisaoNakai, rasbpian is totally free. And since the wifi and bluetooth are on the board there are no driver issues. |
| 15:48.59 | brolin_empey | HisaoNakai: So use a VIA x86 computer? ;-) |
| 15:49.02 | petn-randall | th0r: Not free as in free software, though. |
| 15:49.05 | th0r | HisaoNakai, if you want to continue about the pi, I suggest we move to the #raspbian channel |
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| 15:49.44 | JyZyXEL | i wonder why this message is always displayed when i start mysql: "debian-start[15884]: This installation of MySQL is already upgraded to 5.5.55, use --force if you still need to run mysql_upgrade" |
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| 15:49.53 | cymen | greycat: I have no DE are X installed and I grepped for it in /etc and /root. Any other ideas? |
| 15:49.54 | th0r | petn-randall, true, but I just wanted servers that worked, and I do not consider foss a religion |
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| 15:50.19 | petn-randall | th0r: Neither do I, but that's what HisaoNakai asked for. |
| 15:50.29 | greycat | cymen: paste the exact output of "locale" to http://paste.debian.net/ Do NOT retype it. Do not approximate it. Paste it. |
| 15:51.18 | cymen | :D |
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| 15:53.33 | cymen | greycat: https://pastebin.com/bdS7yuyv |
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| 15:54.04 | greycat | This is insanity. What have you DONE? |
| 15:54.19 | debianjson | greycat adduser user sudo |
| 15:54.22 | Internet-Manager | hi greycat |
| 15:54.23 | debianjson | will make it root right ? |
| 15:54.33 | greycat | You've manually set multiple LC_* variables to all kinds of DIFFERENT settings. |
| 15:55.01 | greycat | debianjson: Anything you think I said about being root was NOT intended for you. It was intended for the guy installing google-chrome. |
| 15:55.10 | Internet-Manager | me? |
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| 15:55.32 | petn-randall | Internet-Manager: If people highlight you it's usually meant for you. |
| 15:55.53 | Internet-Manager | was i highlighted |
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| 15:56.41 | greycat | cymen: Did you really *intend* to manually set a mixture of three different locales in two different languages? |
| 15:56.49 | cymen | greycat: no |
| 15:56.50 | aksn | Is there any recommended way to make a complete disc backup of a running debian system? Or should I just avoid this? I want to migrate to Debian 9, but I'd like to keep downtime to the minimum |
| 15:56.59 | cymen | greycat: as I said, I screwed it up somehow |
| 15:57.17 | greycat | cymen: are you ssh-ing in, or is this a text console login? |
| 15:57.19 | petn-randall | aksn: Just backup relevant data. A full disk backup requires you to take the system offline and boot a live image. |
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| 15:57.46 | cymen | And I can't find where to fix it. The only thing I've edited manually is /etc/default/locale. This is ssh. |
| 15:57.48 | petn-randall | ... unless you use LVM, then you can do a snapshot of the system. |
| 15:57.53 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: What release are you on? |
| 15:58.02 | jhutchins | ,v mysql-server |
| 15:58.03 | judd | Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.55-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.55-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.55-0+deb8u1; stretch: 5.5.9999+default; sid: 5.7.18-1 |
| 15:58.12 | JyZyXEL | jhutchins: jessie |
| 15:58.15 | petn-randall | cymen: You SSH client will send the LC_* variables from your client to the server. |
| 15:58.21 | petn-randall | *Your |
| 15:58.28 | greycat | cymen: Then the first place these variables come from is the SSH client system. Then PAM (/etc/default/locale), then the shell's profiles (/etc/profile and ~/.profile and so on). |
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| 15:58.35 | aksn | petn-randall, thank you. Is there any critical data I should take into account, apart from my own data, mysql database, and service configurations? |
| 15:58.43 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: Has this ststem been through multiple upgrades? |
| 15:58.52 | JyZyXEL | yeah |
| 15:58.58 | cymen | ah, so the error comes from my client trying to use a locale that the server doesn't have? |
| 15:59.08 | nvz | i am running jessie on an arm based orangepi lite off a kingston 8gb sd card and i want to clone this card to a sandisk 8gb card using a usb reader. what do you suggest i use to clone a mounted fs in this situation? |
| 15:59.14 | greycat | cymen: could be. |
| 15:59.39 | aksn | I'm specially scared with mysql to mariadb migration |
| 15:59.42 | jhutchins | nvz: Don't attempt to clone a mounted FS, especially an OS. |
| 15:59.44 | log_n | Hello. I am have a problem doing a cross build of python 3.5: python3.5 has a build-dependecy on gcc > x. The cross-compiler does not fulfill that depency. Is there a way to define the dependency in a cross-compile friendly way? |
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| 16:00.26 | jelly | Internet-Manager: if you want to chat, we have #debian-offtopic channel for that. Keep this channel for specific tech support issues |
| 16:01.19 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: I would think you might need to look into the MySQL init script and see if you can track down where it's calling the upgrade script. |
| 16:01.21 | nvz | jhutchins: hmm so not even mounting two fs and rsync? i guess i may need to reinstall on the other card |
| 16:01.39 | petn-randall | aksn: Nothing I can think of. |
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| 16:01.53 | petn-randall | aksn: Do a mysql dump, and you should be safe. |
| 16:01.57 | jelly | nvz: if you really have to, either unmount or mount read-only all the filesystems on the source device |
| 16:02.13 | jhutchins | nvz: You can use file-copy tools to copy mounted-to-mounted, but there are a number of reasons to not try cloning a filesystem that's a live OS. |
| 16:02.22 | aksn | thank you petn-randall ;) |
| 16:02.51 | jhutchins | nvz: A live OS has a number of pseudo filesystems that are in constant flux and that you don't want to duplicate. |
| 16:03.04 | greycat | nvz: if the system is critical, and you are terrified that the upgrade might fail, then by all means wait. Stretch is still very new, and there may be issues discovered that could affect you. Who knows. |
| 16:03.23 | nvz | jelly: i dont really have to its just that installing on this card took me over 8 hrs just unpacking debs alone. the kingston seems to be one of those fake sd cards the sandisk may not take so long but i cant be sure |
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| 16:04.06 | nvz | greycat: im not planning on upgrading i just need to get off this slow card |
| 16:04.08 | jelly | nvz: then dd the whole device to a disk, and write the same image onto a new card |
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| 16:04.52 | MickyW | log_n: What do you mean? There are certain prerequisites for compiling a project. If they are not fullfilled, it may be not compiled. If you change the dependency it would not compile either, as the dependency ist technically caused; the dependency is not just any arbitrary limit. |
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| 16:05.19 | nvz | jelly: i can do that i can boot the sandisk which has a system on it now, img the kingston to a usb flashdrive then boot the kingston and write the image to the sandisk... i shouldve thought of that |
| 16:05.24 | petn-randall | nvz: I'd use clonezilla, it's a bit faster than a "dd" in that it's filesystem aware and won't copy empty bits over. |
| 16:05.43 | greycat | Cross-compiling upstream python would probably go in #python. Cross-compiling a Debian package might go here, if that's even a thing. |
| 16:05.45 | jelly | nvz: or use a second machine. |
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| 16:06.28 | greycat | nvz: also see /msg dpkg ddrescue |
| 16:06.40 | Irulan | hello. I made a big mistake : I reverted my /usr and / to a pre-strech state, but forget to snapshot /var ... so my /var is stretch |
| 16:07.01 | nvz | jelly: my 2nd machines are either a palmos word processsor that while has two sd readers only reads up to 1gb and an android phone that doesnt have usb host capabilities. heh |
| 16:07.05 | Violinist | hey friends |
| 16:07.14 | Violinist | does ssh have feedback output |
| 16:07.18 | Irulan | is there a command to (re)install all recorded packages in /var/lib/dpkg ? |
| 16:07.18 | Violinist | sshfs |
| 16:07.26 | nvz | petn-randall: can do that its in arm |
| 16:07.29 | greycat | !reinstall |
| 16:07.29 | dpkg | hmm... reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. |
| 16:07.33 | Violinist | like to see status of what its doing |
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| 16:07.53 | jelly | Violinist: no |
| 16:08.03 | Violinist | :( |
| 16:09.24 | petn-randall | nvz: You can put those two SD cards in your desktop. |
| 16:09.30 | log_n | MickyW: The b-d is appropriate for a native build where gcc is the native compiler. For a cross build however the dependency would need to be gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf for example |
| 16:09.57 | nvz | petn-randall: if i had one |
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| 16:13.25 | MickyW | log_n: So you attempted to do a cross build with a script/makefile/likewise which is designed to do native builds |
| 16:13.36 | MickyW | log_n: Right? |
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| 16:15.29 | log_n | MickyW: the makefile, etc. is fine. The build works fine. I am trying to figure out how to properly define a versioned depency for gcc irrespecite of the source package being used for a native or cross build |
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| 16:17.25 | log_n | MickyW: There are some possible approaches to this listed here https://wiki.debian.org/CrossTranslatableBuildDeps The page seems to be fairly old though and I am not sure if one of the approaches was selected/implemented |
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| 16:19.46 | Internet-Manager | any of you guys wanna start a software company with me? |
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| 16:21.00 | jelly | Internet-Manager: again, #debian-offtopic |
| 16:21.08 | jhutchins | nvz: A normal install on even a fast USB drive is always going to be painfully slow. |
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| 16:21.44 | jhutchins | nvz: There are multiple standards for flash memory devices and USB ports, but even the fastest is going to run badly. |
| 16:22.02 | jhutchins | nvz: Live images run mostly from RAM and are optimized to work around the speed problems. |
| 16:22.16 | nvz | jhutchins: hence why i want to just clone this install i already did itll prob be quicker and less painful |
| 16:22.43 | jhutchins | nvz: You can find out a lot about optimizng for USB drives at pendrivelinux.com. I would suggest essentially building your own "live" image rather than a normal install. |
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| 16:23.04 | nvz | jhutchins: thats not an option on this architecture |
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| 16:23.22 | jhutchins | nvz: I'll bet it is. |
| 16:23.30 | nvz | jhutchins: i have only 512mb ram |
| 16:23.46 | MickyW | log_n: The multiarch alternative was chosen. |
| 16:23.56 | jhutchins | nvz: There are other optimizations. Live images will work with 512m. |
| 16:24.25 | jhutchins | nvz: It's worth spending some time on that site to see what you can learn. |
| 16:24.48 | nvz | jhutchins: you understand im on a arm sbc smaller than a creditcard that only boots from sd right? |
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| 16:26.11 | ZSky | When I do a "... |grep hello", how to do something on each line of the output ? |
| 16:26.16 | ZSky | Something like: |
| 16:26.48 | ZSky | ==> for each $line of "... |grep hello" do echo $line |
| 16:26.50 | mabynogy | a job for awk |
| 16:27.05 | ZSky | or |
| 16:27.10 | nvz | ZSky: | while read line; do ... ; done; |
| 16:27.11 | mabynogy | but I'm not a specialist |
| 16:27.12 | ZSky | ==> for each $line of "... |grep hello" do myprogram $line |
| 16:27.15 | log_n | MickyW: Neither gcc-cross nor gcc-for-build exist in stretch |
| 16:27.29 | ZSky | nvz: can you give an example? |
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| 16:28.08 | nvz | ZSky: cat file | grep foo | while read line; do echo "$line"; done |
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| 16:29.08 | nvz | ZSky: does the same thing as cat file | grep foo, but iterates over each line and echos it |
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| 16:29.35 | sonOfRa | Or just grep foo file | while...; |
| 16:29.38 | sonOfRa | No need for cat! |
| 16:29.39 | nvz | ZSky: which is where you put you code to do something in place of echo |
| 16:29.44 | ZSky | Wonderful! |
| 16:29.46 | ZSky | Thanks |
| 16:30.04 | petemc | or awk '/hello/ {print}' file |
| 16:30.12 | nvz | sonOfRa: right but he implied he was piping some output into grep so i followed his example |
| 16:30.34 | sonOfRa | ah. Backlog helps :D |
| 16:30.37 | jhutchins | nvz: Yes, I understand exactly what you're doing. |
| 16:31.02 | jhutchins | nvz: Obviously raspbian has done similar optimization for Pi hardware. |
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| 16:31.32 | debianjson | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden ? |
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| 16:31.42 | jhutchins | nvz: I'm just saying that you can do better than running a straight, normal install intended for a spinning hard disk. |
| 16:31.47 | greycat | ZSky: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/001 |
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| 16:34.47 | nvz | jhutchins: im not sure getting away from disk reads will be worth the tradeoff when i only have 512mb ram to use for video card and apps in the first place.. basic x with blackbox puts me at about 95mb, 18mb for video, leaves me with about 400mb and if i open firefox to youtube or run vlc it needs most of that itself leaving me no wiggle room for a ramdisk |
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| 16:36.06 | nvz | jhutchins: i was running debian reasonably well on the sandisk i just installed on the kingston bc the images on orangepi.com turns out have a backdoor vulnerability, oom issues, and sound issues. the kingstin card is just apparently crap |
| 16:36.45 | nvz | i now need the good os on the bad card where the bad os is on the good card. heh |
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| 16:37.46 | nvz | i think clonezilla using a flash drive for temp image storage wikk solve that problem |
| 16:38.34 | nvz | clonezilla should be way faster than dd or gddrescue |
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| 16:39.13 | jelly | nvz: orange pi is based on allwinner right? Use linux-sunxi.org docs to get debian running |
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| 16:39.28 | jelly | or maybe you already have. |
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| 16:39.47 | nvz | jelly: yes and thats what i did. but turns out the card i installed to is junk |
| 16:40.47 | nvz | now what i can debate is if installing to usb flash or hdd is maybe faster but i dont see using my precious ram to be a live cloop helping me |
| 16:40.47 | teraflops | nvz: out of curiosity, which orange pi model? |
| 16:40.49 | jelly | and you don't have a microsd card reader for a pc to clone cards? |
| 16:40.53 | fasdfd | <teraflops> I think I confirmed that Debian 9 used synaptics by default and not libinput in my case, because when I put /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/40-libinput.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and restarted, tap to click started to work and all the settings appeared in mouse settings in gnome settings |
| 16:41.09 | nvz | teraflops: its the orange pi lite |
| 16:41.17 | fasdfd | (so same result as when I purged synaptics on another machine) |
| 16:41.31 | nvz | jelly: i got a usb reader but this is my only computer here.. the opi lite |
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| 16:42.08 | nvz | so i gotta keep at least one card functional at all times or im screwed |
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| 16:42.30 | teraflops | fasdfd: either it's siesta time here or you are not explaining yourself |
| 16:42.47 | debianjson | any help in debian to fix this ? HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden |
| 16:43.27 | greycat | debianjson: if this is in an eggdrop script that you are writing or hacking on, ask in #eggdrop |
| 16:43.47 | fasdfd | we talked about this yesterday |
| 16:44.02 | greycat | All we can say about "403 Forbidden" is that the web server does not like you. |
| 16:44.12 | debianjson | :) |
| 16:44.13 | BluesKaj | debianjson, using a vpn or or other tunnel ? |
| 16:44.21 | debianjson | a vps |
| 16:44.50 | greycat | BluesKaj: He has previously asked questions about how to install Tcl packages, and pasted an eggdrop script (I assume that's what it was) |
| 16:45.07 | tremolo | or that the web server daemon doesn't have appropriate access to the requested file. |
| 16:45.14 | teraflops | fasdfd: yep, and I told you that sometimes libinput does not set all the options _you_ want by default… |
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| 16:45.35 | BluesKaj | ok greycat , dunno muh about eggdrops |
| 16:45.41 | BluesKaj | much |
| 16:46.00 | greycat | Me either. |
| 16:46.04 | fasdfd | teraflops: they weren't even visible in the settings pane |
| 16:46.42 | tremolo | Eggdrop is pretty easy. Just stir the soup while adding egg. It's kind of off-topic, though. |
| 16:46.42 | teraflops | fasdfd: it's so easy, remove that file or any other libinput or synaptics related, restart xorg and look at xorg log |
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| 16:47.36 | teraflops | fasdfd: also, do you have a xorg.conf file with synaptic stuff on it? |
| 16:48.06 | fasdfd | there's no xorg.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 16:48.23 | fasdfd | not even /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d folder |
| 16:48.29 | teraflops | fasdfd: that's not the place for looking an xorg.file though |
| 16:48.32 | tremolo | fasdfd: What about in /etc/X11/ |
| 16:48.55 | tremolo | So... /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 16:50.21 | fasdfd | neither |
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| 16:52.17 | akh676[m] | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: lukasdboer kri johnfg koltrast Sciuro Countess_Bathory bitch grey_ clopez_ [red]claw zz_zz akxwi-dave Guest83472 snw rooty ben_roose s0ph0s pierrot xrogaan hahainternet conspacer gtt ProfessorKaos64 phogg riot Old_Dog Nitori Jdbye feodaron gratuxri barteks2x Savemech d1b JohnDoh pfoo GG_Phyduck UukGoblin Psy-Q kirb redshadowhero SkIzZaTo mtn vivid GhostInTheShell Kev- Colti psychi |
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| 16:52.19 | sqkzjtpf | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: KindOne qman__ bitch ValodiaDeSeynes cydrobolt glick woshty likcoras eshlox jandrusk Robby strass Guest82561 brunus CuSn petems Apeiron` darkalia Telex9 Hink j3roen Mariio1692_ skza anglophilic nezZario feneco sturfman bmr lendo Mmike deetwelve ScottE Sir_Designer__ royiv rickyh zleap transience JK263 Celelibi beardo MrAlexandr0 Darby_Crash Mortumm_ Qrc^ epilys PaulePanter Amplificator |
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| 16:52.19 | sqkzjtpf | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: hexa- zz_zz nikolah fallentree blackest_mamba tomreyn kirb K1rk mirsal- Qann ariador catsup_ terr1 humbot brolin_empey Zharf ballessay sonne simp_ cinis cmam omhyjft passstab Poster quasisane Cerise_ jkhsjdhjs paulgrmn Arroyo1010 phinxy yang2 tx Nitori cliluw bier ircnode0 Artemis3 Rhuarc kolla ssarah 07EAA6A1T tuxcraft1r binaryc ApEtc_ AlwaysHigh yuicat raynold bgamari rysiek|pl Quatr |
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| 16:52.21 | joalu | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: lordlod_ Nik05 rtsisyk jgornick_ tonycats grey_ ytrezq RTFM[away] dontknow fooctrl sethkush Stx nighty-_ zz_phar6oor Snakes tgragnato Orochimarufan j3x Johann Sciuro rlange nbags moufl azizLIGHT Junaos sparetire crash_ Alam_Squeeze petemc somepoortech keith4 sandman13 Adbray peteski corkmork Enrico_Menotti leachim6 ecelis Kobaz snw Ticho netkat dogui_ Hydroxide Ssquidly hexa- glick Qann |
| 16:52.21 | joalu | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: shakalaka nomad_dw SkyPatrol AJ_Z0 tonycats devurandom pvn log_n justJanne grim45932 Sleepy63 AndrewAlexMac Posterdati fleaz dave4925 pythonsnake dawuud kunwon Haudegen romano2k toine42 cybrNaut azizLIGHT sdx23 ArchDuke rogst noahf grift somiaj DK2 gareth__ RaiNerTsuFal michaelni robsta_sa mtn sandeepkr gluon_ hiya Bercik sbine skney mrr0butt mnemoni nbastin dh64 rymax99 abff nickle sam |
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| 16:52.28 | wadbtky | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: cereal_poster Wyzard Seto_Kaiba cheapie karstensrage michaelni jannic pfoo Violinist frediz Nnavd abracadaniel likcoras jlacroix mf|cloud dondelelcaro hycer adan0s rOss^64 dasher00 geir_ fearnothing epilys Introoter itseris romano2k esainane madmattco nickenchuggets monoxane teraflops ekix Dan_au DarkDevil kabo netsnail thiras d-fence samtunez SupaYoshi_ evilman_work mns Randy remo1 dog |
| 16:52.28 | wadbtky | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: MuffinMedic CaptainFixerpc14 madprops Aph3x-WL erre tonythomas Cyph3r Kazzy jim kpease glitch_hat olegfusion lukky513 pron evotopid Werring ChmEarl Ring0` funnel samtunez latez_ chownsauce ChrisH zz_zz pelp zz_djz88 fatalis pfoo awhitlock8 SupaYoshi_ armin johnny_ Andy80 nbags _systemd_is_evil bdeferme k_sze[work] sc_ Waggie angular_mike_ darkalia lord_helmet insecurity dxrt_ DarkCat_ v |
| 16:52.28 | wadbtky | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: NeoBlaster kirb Namikaze hays smithrob libardi SupaYoshi_ XDS2010 tty0_ |subz3r0| k4y4mm alfred_ stu_meat v4s bpsecret msantana jnovak nurupo BCMM sc_ Nik05 p_quarles fallentree s7r haylon Jacob843 Countess_Bathory sn0wmonster Puckel_ vutral redrabbit itseris SonicFreq twisted` internat Rubin HandheldPenguin` CyberJacob ToeSnacks x10 Downer log_n brunus royiv Subfusc jrtc27 x42 Werring |
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| 16:52.30 | nickenchuggets | this guy really wants his ass fingered |
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| 16:52.34 | petn-randall | pokes jelly |
| 16:52.34 | forcerecon | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: EmleyMoor r4mpage Linlz tvsutton alexlist kisser Bock devster31 sander85 Al3xG0 Attoy sveva65 kbob CyberJacob spacebug^ boink jtdowney pvoigt Phil-Work ksft bogus- sdollins romana at0m imr philluminati Arroyo1010 S alchemistswl Tempesta freakyy ghoti bpsecret ujjain tobiw Colti fangfufu Clouder Louis q6AA4FD darxmurf iodev monoxane Slashman blueness imMute^ nux_ catsup_ heurist` o |
| 16:52.34 | forcerecon | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: benaiah james41382 kexiq CheBuzz kwmiebach djramon_ teclo- Telex9 ghormoon Waggie armin WebDawg sloucher Riviera- MuffinMedic Igel_ Jamboy lukas_gab- boris_t sveva65 jtdowney xSmurf remo1 knidos HauM1 nutron|w Hobby_boy snw verm1n vaidy le_pig debhelper mossman ballessay _rubik scoopex oberling bobe phorce1_home ledixus Rhuarc alxd Renari czesmir_ _0x5eb_ musca` zero85 redsPL Mmik |
| 16:52.35 | forcerecon | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: boink qman__ Amun_Ra _0x5eb_ antismap` Shahnaz kisser fcharton AlwaysHigh resixian yang2 AntiSpamMeta skippy_ TonyL nicdev CtrlC Butt3rfly Typhon armin tonythomas digdilem Old_Dog JK263 fangfufu juhop israfel basso_ UukGoblin clopez_ jmcnaught electro33 michaelni ToBeFree jager_ Haxxa Clouder SonicFreq watersoul PPaFin Silicium ron-slc bonxrj buffal0 Irulan Mevlock RyanKnack royiv |
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| 16:52.40 | juris | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: ChuMar1_ guampa Ad1Tech CompWizrd Whiskey electrostat blueness JZTech101 egos romana Serajewe1KS 7F1AAAFCL pythonsnake missmbob blackwell ___id kathenas toorop rudi_s t0ne_ jar aatwood |subz3r0| mirsal- NoCode sturfman is_null peewhy jken Limebyte hawken loddfafnir Samw lgeurts shakalaka strass vincent_c apollojustice MobileMatt_ HotSwap Hydroxide Enrico_Menotti psmolen qqx coruja_ Aph3x |
| 16:52.40 | juris | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: C bpsecret pmn FoolishOwl Rhuarc Arsiesys austin987 tuxcraft1r mavhc evotopid blueness jonasbits__ sekjun9878 thalos bgamari s0lar1s buffal0 flokuehn kalebo nicklodd1n Poster shahri aindilis Artemis3 Afforess smurfd_ phorce1_home raynold tonycats Quatroking elik_ ScottE Anarchic elysium luckman2 Lowl3v3l1 cafuego gratuxri Noskcaj abra0 tobiw verboese Artox Yondering Clouder nomad_dw kath |
| 16:52.40 | juris | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: gmelis BlueByte awdfew3roi deetwelve kathenas Caplain Relicka brouette angular_mike_ msantana Asoka ApEtc_ Peterzen Stx jken rickyh BenderRodriguez j3roen pog rebrec thebadshepperd passstab jhebden hobbyquaker_ dirac1 Weeezy_ hays Cipher45 cryptodan_mobile Saar bucket-hat Johann Renari debhelper CHRiSNEW VampiricPadraig krzych sophiya simp_ gtrott__ nikow valerius Bryanstein InFerNo_ pop |
| 16:52.40 | juris | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: jandrusk rmacd slack_ ___id fauweh BlackPanx leemar__ Arkaniad_ fleaz DrNo kpease s0lar1s J-BBB Nazara MeanEYE electrostat papitfx banging_ corkmork ledixu mar77i ecelis NickyP jrtc27 popnfresh djramon_ Countess_Bathory fearnothing nku dave4925 kunwon ThomasJ Achylles dexta digdilem lindbergio kalebo devurandom sinduck urzds ChuMar1_ Arroyo1010 bruce549 brian_ mabynogy Seto_Kaiba esaym15 |
| 16:52.40 | yybfp | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: Quick_ swym tabakhase shinnya bgardner fFamousfFatman jandrusk r0bby dusares_ verboese somiaj zwamkat foul_owl Janhouse _guios nomad_dw ron-slc strass lirion`reco deetwelve sydney_untangle jor LoRez andai neskau vincent_c austin987 SporkWitch ksx4system LunchMoney SiCC bdeferme eb0t_ madmattco sorin-mihai Mahe Bl4ckC0r3 rysiek|pl akq dave4925 TacoGS lendo Al3xG0 lift pugfantus ephemer |
| 16:52.40 | yybfp | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: Relicka Vorap ^GoD^ infernix at0m WizardGed Epx998- abrotman sydney_untangle angular_mike_ hanasaki sturfman Violinist gluon_ Darby_Crash Obi-Wan ws2k3 rdz electrostat donut_ rlange blackroot Puckel_ PhonicUK2 k4y4mm fatalis guampa ShaRose cryptodan_mobile WARBIRD199 RickyB98 nighty-_ antismap` buffal0 phate408 gb00s t3tsu0 kinopu fauweh quasisane ongolaBoy LtL croddy ajp_ blacksyke C |
| 16:52.40 | yybfp | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: netkat ffernand mypapit fast_ cbdev SiCC hexnewbie jandrusk Anarchic flipp MasterNayru simbalion kh4| noxs Attoy neffs sekjun9878 ventura bertbob CJJJ[m] Rhuarc ron-slc peter5 Afforess electrostat Riviera- plicease bazhang kardborren sikun blueness sn0wmonster Vorap StephenS lindbergio darkalia tabakhase Asoka amospalla coruja_ _KaszpiR_ Aph3x-WL {41444d494e} b30wulf shabius Ssquidly |
| 16:52.40 | halws | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: heiru blueness Sasasu ringonoki gb00s georgeowell internot CHRiSNEW reef hypermist Nach0z smurfd_ idmistir nighty-_ johnny_ RyanKnack Peterzen alexbligh1 Louis disi RaiNerTsuFal jkhsjdhjs lsv hayer bradjones Ring0` serban XDS2010 yybfp p8m VoidFox Colti thoros kwmiebach ThomasJ paulgrmn philluminati Deviance bcd magyar aivkiv bionix sandroandrade meti madmattco awdfew3roi hanasaki gnugr ba |
| 16:52.40 | halws | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: pseubodot Python1320 CeBe brunus electrostat likcoras AndrewMC wonderworld edwardly nolsen Cueball osx diveyez stu_meat le_pig ballessay GDiaX karc cyphix p0g0 Trellmor adamus1red Guest83472 Weeezy_ xand sandeepkr antismap` denken swym todd_dsm sonne bionix wilson magyar Cabanossi Sir_Designer__ sinduck gusnan Darby_Crash mtn heiru jken ikanobori ApEtc_ yokel Skyrider Zyferus Butt3rfly pet |
| 16:52.41 | Violinist | argh |
| 16:52.42 | bjcbn | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: oliv Mariio1692_ timeless bucket-hat TmvC Nnavd cmichel nagetier hexa- guampa sander85 vook AxForest mcfrisk cef Jdbye StephenS BiGBOi kiltzman television esaym153 koollman swordsmanz sveva65 n0nada Cy-GorWork RamPage mindstorm lukky513 Fa like2k1 _0bitcount davidebeatrici vlt thekingo- wakd nikoma spacebison chaology Hoolootwo fredbear epsilon systWo Namarrgon vivid fallentree tobias1 |
| 16:52.42 | bjcbn | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: Texou feneco Atlas tomreyn Nnavd f3bruary sm0kew0n hobbyquaker_ contrapunctus rosseaux Robby kimico pipeep cusco supersoju Noskcaj stealthii x42 n0nada TimWolla _0x5eb_ uda Anarchic jmsx grumble Hoolootwo boubou SupaYoshi_ overlord_tm dgriffi McLive madmattco akq _0bitcount k_sze[work] futex AJ_Z0 Ad1Tech yaymuffins makz_ lordlod_ television austin987 Artemis3 tanking vook MeanEYE Almte |
| 16:52.42 | bjcbn | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: therock247uk PugaBear CEnnis91 trench_ Puckel_ latez_ MrHyde phorce1 antgel tremo sophiya Emmanuel_Chanel d1b rOss^64 chalcedony k0nsl `Kevin ribasushi homemdosaco sz0 Monthrect adamus1red skza kuldeep Sciuro krazedkat alecov nurupo tty0_ SirLagz gatekeep futex sptnx oberstein jolt wowmuchnamaste NickyP SwK Anarchic DK2 lift devster31 dexta solos lordlod_ dvdmuckle n0arch pierrot keropo |
| 16:52.42 | bjcbn | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: judd vectr0n|cloud vamiry jmsx ron-slc kupi dasher00 slugmx jh001 latez_ WARBIRD199 SpeedyG deetwelve naos62 ringonoki Arsiesys lukas_gab- Noskcaj cbmuser hsiktas hexjay zerick BiGBOi hycer mpmc pron timeless churnd nbastin meti cooldude phorce1_home Diaoul Linuturk r00ter rtsisyk futex XeonSquared anglophilic Al3xG0 philluminati MonsterKiller DK2 themill LucaTM Andy80 pfoo musalbas sul |
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| 16:52.43 | teqht | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: Telex9 akxwi-dave benj_ refresher 7F1AAAFCL cryptic marens slack_ Stx Ryushin hex2a DeadTOm Sargun zleap rOss^64 Ralin3 borsin LucaTM tomreyn ChuMar1_ HugsWontletgo Schmetterwurm kardborren savoir-faire armin Zardoz nikolah spinza Seto_Kaiba kri pog royiv jonasbits__ qtch pfote slicepaperwords sc_ SleePy klow ArchDuke sptnx JK263 PhilSliderS n-st Jurkki_ therock247uk karakedi Python1320 d |
| 16:52.43 | teqht | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: jouana karlamrhein tacocat scc_ fivestang Orphis JuaN-CruZ pog gmh kardborren Dargod Hydroxide SleePy f Vorap bitblit f3bruary austin987 hex2a gvvg_ sophiya MACscr nauticalnexus petemc llimeht_ k4y4mm jiphex GhostInTheShell tremo rtsisyk internot strive bdeferme sinduck riex StephenS drot toozej Spec Sciuro Jurkki_ EmleyMoor brolin_empey NoCode delYsid Xjs|moonshine mindstorm riot Jacob84 |
| 16:52.43 | teqht | OH DAX, I WANT YOU TO FINGER MY ASS AGAIN...quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: spiff _Tristan-Speccy_ Spydar007 lendo RickyB98 olivetree_ jlacroix Limebyte In33dt0Kn0w2 Linuturk ashka roshanavand frankie Hestben bruce549 erre Ring0` aindilis boris_t amospalla epilys rebrec musalbas Sleepy63 myrdhin koltrast abff bucket-hat necrogami fauweh petn-randall phat synthmeat notebox bpsecret fallentree sinduck phix Scotteh moss psilonux lordlod_ UUID02 magyar shakalaka Caps |
| 16:52.53 | nickenchuggets | will someone finger him so he can shut up |
| 16:52.54 | *** mode/#debian [+o LoRez] by ChanServ |
| 16:52.59 | nickenchuggets | :p |
| 16:53.03 | *** part/#debian Kazzy (~kaz@lon1.kurt.gg) |
| 16:53.05 | Violinist | lol |
| 16:53.07 | Posterdati | takeover? |
| 16:53.09 | petn-randall | nickenchuggets: Don't comment on spam, please. |
| 16:53.15 | hiya | nickenchuggets, heh |
| 16:53.15 | haylon | well, that was interesting |
| 16:53.25 | nickenchuggets | petn-randall: are you a mod |
| 16:53.27 | Artemis3 | wrong term Posterdati |
| 16:53.32 | sandman13 | I don't usually get highlighted but when I do, people want me to finger their ass :P |
| 16:53.34 | petn-randall | As I said, let's stay on topic here. |
| 16:53.39 | cereal_poster | :| |
| 16:53.41 | BCMM | lol |
| 16:53.41 | Dagger | somebody with ops please script a response to that |
| 16:53.52 | nickenchuggets | I'll take that as a no |
| 16:54.10 | greycat | I wish we had a mode to silence unidentified users instead of just preventing joins. |
| 16:54.14 | LoRez | Dagger: besides the automated response that already killed them? |
| 16:54.17 | Dagger | it should be possible to automatically detect it and +m the channel for a bit, so we don't have to put up with the next dozens of messages |
| 16:54.26 | LoRez | greycat: +q $~a? |
| 16:54.29 | ytrezq | greycat: +s |
| 16:54.31 | Dagger | yes, besides that. something that kicks in a bit quicker |
| 16:54.43 | greycat | +s is "secret" |
| 16:54.53 | ytrezq | right |
| 16:54.56 | ytrezq | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.58 | Artemis3 | there is a +R no? |
| 16:55.02 | LoRez | I forget the incantation, but there is a quiet unid'd users. |
| 16:55.04 | *** mode/#debian [-r] by greycat |
| 16:55.05 | greycat | https://freenode.net/kb/answer/channelmodes |
| 16:55.07 | Robby | which is not a bad idea, as those spambots probably /list and join channels at random |
| 16:55.31 | Dagger | some of these other modes are probably better than +m, so feel free to use those. but please stop making us sit through these spams every day |
| 16:55.43 | teraflops | the spammer is using ipv4 addresses from virtua.com.br |
| 16:56.04 | Robby | so +s may combat that somewhat |
| 16:56.14 | petn-randall | greycat: We could teach debhelper to quiete/kick users that highlight more than 10 people. |
| 16:56.19 | greycat | Robby: no, I'm sure we are explicitly targeted. |
| 16:56.24 | tremolo | Wasn't forcerecon in here with nvidia issues the other day? |
| 16:56.29 | teraflops | nvz: armbian is stock debian with a repo for sunxi kernels and a couple of scripts for updating fw and uboot, it works pretty well |
| 16:56.31 | Robby | oh |
| 16:57.06 | nvz | teraflops: yes im aware im on it now |
| 16:57.13 | teraflops | nvz: I used to compile my own kernels till I noticed armbian existed :P |
| 16:57.41 | jelly | those 3.4 kernels are a mess |
| 16:57.52 | nvz | teraflops: problem i ran into and shouldve know is the card i installed to is junk |
| 16:57.58 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 16:57.58 | teraflops | I run mainline jelly |
| 16:58.09 | LoRez | greycat: you want the quiet? |
| 16:58.17 | jelly | better choice if you can live with some stuff missing |
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| 16:58.26 | greycat | LoRez: if I'm reading https://freenode.net/kb/answer/extbans correctly it's +q $~a |
| 16:58.32 | nvz | id tried h3droid on this card and it was slow as snail crap |
| 16:58.46 | teraflops | jelly: yeah |
| 16:58.54 | LoRez | yeah, that's what I said... |
| 16:58.58 | greycat | Cute that they give an example that doesn't actually exist (or isn't documented on that page) |
| 16:59.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1659] by debhelper |
| 16:59.21 | LoRez | yeah, that's disappointing that they don't have the extban stuff in a useful place |
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| 16:59.35 | LoRez | or proper examples. |
| 17:00.18 | LoRez | http://www.osxwiki.net/freenode_modes/ is somewhat better in some regards. |
| 17:00.40 | Dagger | "/raw help extban" to get the help straight from the server, although that doesn't guarantee it's accurate |
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| 17:00.52 | teraflops | nvz: I change my arm sbcs every year, now almost all of them have emmc built-in which is pretty nice |
| 17:01.10 | greycat | I think your /raw is my /quote |
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| 17:02.05 | GG_Phyduck | why do i keep getting messages from this channel that want me to join a .onion chatroom? |
| 17:02.24 | nvz | teraflops: this is my first one. i was very poor and looking for a computer.. about 38USD with shipping got me this opi lite with the hdmi, power cords and 8gb card, and a little keyboard/trackpad remote |
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| 17:02.45 | greycat | GG_Phyduck: FUCKING HELL, SHUT UP |
| 17:02.46 | petn-randall | GG_Phyduck: It's spam, ignore it. |
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| 17:02.55 | nvz | teraflops: im learning the hard way not all sd are created equal |
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| 17:03.02 | teraflops | nvz: bpi m2ultra and similar boards cost ~40 usd |
| 17:03.13 | teraflops | nvz: yeah |
| 17:03.16 | GG_Phyduck | greycat: sorry |
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| 17:04.04 | nvz | teraflops: yeah there are many around 40 bucks but its just for the board then i need another 40-60 in stuff to use it.. i got everything i needed for under 40 |
| 17:04.33 | petn-randall | greycat: No need to yell at people full caps. :( |
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| 17:04.50 | greycat | This is not the first time he has responded publically to spam. |
| 17:05.16 | greycat | Starting to suspect GG_Phyduck is the spammer. |
| 17:05.19 | nvz | petn-randall: meet greycat, he cant stand stupid.. we all know this |
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| 17:05.48 | teraflops | nvz: fair enough, for me all I need is the board since I use then as headless servers |
| 17:05.51 | ZSky | nvz: cat file | grep foo | while read line; do echo "$line"; done; >blah |
| 17:05.56 | GG_Phyduck | greycat: i'm not the scanner |
| 17:06.00 | ZSky | doesn't work, the result is not saved in the file blah |
| 17:06.02 | GG_Phyduck | greycat: i just find it fucking anoying |
| 17:06.08 | greycat | ZSky: while read -r line; do ...; done < "file" |
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| 17:06.28 | GG_Phyduck | greycat: i keep thinking i have important notifications in this channel but it's always spam |
| 17:06.38 | armin | ZSky: you're aware that grep foo file >blah does the same? |
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| 17:06.52 | ZSky | armin: yes it's just an example |
| 17:06.56 | armin | ok :)= |
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| 17:07.02 | ZSky | irl, it's something else than echo |
| 17:07.17 | greycat | armin: /msg greybot b9 |
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| 17:08.20 | ZSky | greycat doesn't work. |
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| 17:08.41 | ZSky | I would like to output what the "do done;" loop does to a file |
| 17:08.42 | greycat | Oh, right, you wanted a grep. |
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| 17:08.51 | greycat | ZSky: while read -r line; do ...; done < <(grep "foo" "file") |
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| 17:09.09 | greycat | ZSky: again, please read http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/001 |
| 17:09.11 | ZSky | no no, I mean, i have a loop doing something, and the output is stdout |
| 17:09.25 | ZSky | instead i would like to log to a file |
| 17:09.33 | greycat | ZSky: while read -r line; do ...; done < <(grep "foo" "file") >logfile |
| 17:11.03 | ZSky | Oh my error was: done; >logfile |
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| 17:11.08 | ZSky | instead of done >logfile |
| 17:11.13 | ZSky | pffiou :) |
| 17:11.23 | ZSky | Solved :) |
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| 17:35.34 | tdn | I have a debian repository that works fine for jessie. However, I just tried installing a jessie machine and added the signing key via apt-key and my repository as a source (all packages should be fine for both jessie and stretch). When I then try to install something from this repository, it says WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 17:35.39 | tdn | How do I obtain this trust/authentication? I have imported the key via apt-key add |
| 17:36.01 | tdn | What is the right way of adding a GPG key to apt trusted sources? |
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| 17:37.46 | edju | Running Jessie. I ran firmware-b43-installer. What's next to get wlan0? |
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| 17:41.33 | insecurity | <3 irc |
| 17:42.01 | armin | <3 insecurity |
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| 17:42.08 | john_rambo | Hi, I just finished installing Debian GNU/Linux 9.0 (stretch) ...Please have a look at my sources.lst and tell me have I configured it correctly >>> https://paste2.org/f70JNgss |
| 17:42.12 | insecurity | and irc love me!! |
| 17:42.29 | insecurity | s/love/loves |
| 17:42.40 | LtL | edju: if i recall that package downloads the firmware from the net. try connecting a ethernet cable and run it. |
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| 17:44.24 | edju | LtL, I did run it, and am connected by ethernet. But network manager shows nothing to connect to, and iwlist scan shows nothing. |
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| 17:46.26 | jhutchins | edju: Is the firmware in place? Can the module fine it when you load it? |
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| 17:48.06 | LtL | edju: try logging out and back in, then issue 'ip a' does dmesg say anything? |
| 17:48.10 | BluesKaj | edju, disconnect the ethernet , then after a relogin set up your wifi, the icon should show in the panel |
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| 17:49.49 | edju | jhutchins, what is the module for the bcm4312? |
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| 17:52.11 | BluesKaj | edju, make sure have the broadcom-sta-dkms firmware installed |
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| 17:53.11 | phinxy | mm tasty firmware |
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| 17:54.23 | LtL | edju: you need non-free in sources.list. https://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 17:54.39 | edju | BluesKaj, I ran the firmware-b43-installer - doesn't that install whatever's needed? |
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| 17:55.06 | greycat | You keep saying this thing. What does it mean? Did you download something from outside of Debian? |
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| 17:55.41 | edju | greycat, No, I didn't. It installs the firmware. |
| 17:55.59 | greycat | ,file firmware-b43-installer |
| 17:56.03 | judd | Search for firmware-b43-installer in stretch/amd64: firmware-b43-installer: usr/share/lintian/overrides/firmware-b43-installer |
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| 17:56.27 | greycat | So you enabled non-free, then installed the Debian package named firmware-b43-installer, then ran some command? |
| 17:56.50 | BluesKaj | edju, you need the dkms version for your bcm4312, also install dkms if needed |
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| 17:56.58 | greycat | (This command NOT being named firmware-b43-installer, because that's not in a standard PATH directory.) |
| 17:57.32 | edju | BluesKaj, dkms is installed. |
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| 17:58.36 | BluesKaj | edju, now install broadcom-sta-dkms |
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| 17:59.44 | vadimkolchev | Cannot connect to wifi in gnome after installation. However, used the same dongle to install. My network is visible, but fails to connect |
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| 18:01.05 | vadimkolchev | Could anyone please give advice? |
| 18:01.08 | edju | BluesKaj, OK - back in a few - gotta reboot. |
| 18:01.13 | jhutchins | vadimkolchev: What hardware? |
| 18:01.25 | nvz | vadimkolchev: checked dmesg and syslog? tried doin manual with iwconfig and dhclient ? |
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| 18:02.04 | vadimkolchev | Nvz: tried with wpa supplicant, hangs on dhcliient |
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| 18:02.24 | vadimkolchev | Jhutchins: rt2800 kind usb dongle |
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| 18:03.02 | john_rambo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.12 | greycat | !stretch sources.list |
| 18:03.12 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 18:03.39 | nvz | dhclient should log to syslog |
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| 18:04.08 | vadimkolchev | Nvz, succeeded with dhclient now |
| 18:04.17 | edju | BluesKaj, Thanks a lot - that did it. |
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| 18:04.28 | vadimkolchev | Nvz, however network manager does not work for me for some reason |
| 18:04.38 | peterandre | hi, i upgraded my debian version from jessie to stretch. now when visiting phpmyadmin i get a blank screen, i tried mysql_upgrade -uroot -p. it went fine. everything OK was the output. what could be the problem ? |
| 18:04.43 | BluesKaj | edju, good to hear |
| 18:04.56 | nvz | vadimkolchev: check syslog for clues it logs there |
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| 18:05.54 | nvz | vadimkolchev: you may be missing a permission |
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| 18:06.24 | vadimkolchev | Nvz, where is the relevant log stored? |
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| 18:07.32 | Nothing4You | i just did a fresh deb9 install, however, not all interfaces configured in /etc/network/interfaces are getting enabled at boot |
| 18:07.44 | Nothing4You | it was working fine in deb8 installs |
| 18:07.44 | nvz | vadimkolchev: /var/log/syslog has all the nm, dhclient, etc |
| 18:07.58 | jhutchins | !rt2800 |
| 18:07.58 | dpkg | For support of Ralink 802.11n PCI wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rt2800pci>. For support of Ralink 802.11n USB wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rt2800usb>. |
| 18:08.31 | vadimkolchev | Says deauth request to the driver failed ChanServ |
| 18:08.37 | Nothing4You | ifup enables the interface just fine, i'm just looking to get it enabled by default |
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| 18:09.20 | jhutchins | Nothing4You: Are you seeing the new interface naming convention? |
| 18:09.25 | Nothing4You | yes |
| 18:09.38 | jhutchins | Nothing4You: Logs. |
| 18:09.53 | Nothing4You | what's the syntax to get the relevant logs? |
| 18:10.14 | jhutchins | Nothing4You: I still use dmesg|less and less /var/log/syslog |
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| 18:10.32 | jhutchins | Nothing4You: There is the systemd journalctl, but iirc that's all pre-boot stuff. |
| 18:10.38 | Nothing4You | ah those are still written, good |
| 18:10.48 | greycat | pre... boot? |
| 18:11.54 | jhutchins | Well, early boot. |
| 18:12.09 | nvz | vadimkolchev: try doing less -S +F /var/log/syslog as root in a gnome term then try the nm applet and see what comes up |
| 18:12.40 | vvande_ | lol |
| 18:12.48 | Nothing4You | Jun 23 18:03:43 host kernel: [ 3.766429] virtio_net virtio3 ens19: renamed from eth1 |
| 18:12.53 | Nothing4You | that's basically all related to that interface |
| 18:12.57 | Nothing4You | in syslog |
| 18:13.27 | greycat | and you have "auto ens19" "iface ens19 ..." in /e/n/i? |
| 18:13.30 | Nothing4You | actually |
| 18:13.38 | Nothing4You | i had a typo in the interfaces file |
| 18:13.44 | Nothing4You | nevermind me |
| 18:13.52 | vadimkolchev | Nvz, deauth request to the driver failed and it loops |
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| 18:14.22 | Nothing4You | missed a letter by typing allo-hotplug |
| 18:14.32 | nvz | vadimkolchev: as your user check the output of id |
| 18:15.42 | nvz | vadimkolchev: see if it shows netdev |
| 18:15.51 | vadimkolchev | Nvz, the output of what id? Sorry, didn't get it |
| 18:16.15 | jhutchins | Nothing4You: I'm wrong agan, it appears that systemd logs everything continuously. I thought it used to hand off to syslog after the system was up. I wonder how it keeps the logs from flooding the system if you don't reboot? |
| 18:16.18 | nvz | vadimkolchev: id shows your current use info just as your user type id |
| 18:16.35 | bva | Hi guys! I need an advice. After upgradint to debian stretch sddm did not start at boot time. Sistemctl enable sddm did not work. How can I enable autostart for sddm.service? |
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| 18:16.41 | nvz | vadimkolchev: see if it shows netdev in the output |
| 18:16.44 | greycat | jhutchins: you're thinking of bootlogd, perhaps |
| 18:16.55 | vadimkolchev | Nvz, no, it doesn't show anything network related |
| 18:17.34 | nvz | vadimkolchev: as root type adduser user netdev replacing user with your username then logout of gnome and back in again |
| 18:18.30 | vadimkolchev | Nvz, tells me I am already member of netdev group |
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| 18:19.08 | nvz | vadimkolchev: ah well then its not permissions |
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| 18:20.40 | nvz | vadimkolchev: and its not the driver if iwconfig//wpasupp works so it must be netmgr itself or the gnome applet |
| 18:20.57 | jhutchins | So yay, even though it logs to /var/log it does it's own log file management instead of using logrotate. All things shall be done by systemd. |
| 18:21.02 | nvz | 's keyboard died |
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| 18:21.34 | vadimkolchev | Nvz, when connecting manually it disconnects randomly after some time. Might be driver. But doesn't explain why it worked during installation |
| 18:22.10 | nvz | vadimkolchev: installer may have used a different kernel |
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| 18:22.31 | jhutchins | bva: logs? |
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| 18:22.41 | jhutchins | bva: Can you start it manually? |
| 18:23.00 | nvz | vadimkolchev: did you check dmesg too that would show driver or hardware info |
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| 18:23.14 | atrapado_ | I found that something was updating the modification time for some directories. It was "nano". I disabled "#set locking" in /etc/nanorc and done. |
| 18:23.14 | vadimkolchev | Nvz, actually I used the same setup, but upgrade from Jessie on the same machine and same kernel, and it worked. Fresh install now and this problem |
| 18:23.52 | vadimkolchev | Nvz, dmesg says link not ready |
| 18:23.56 | teraflops | ralink sucks at wireless |
| 18:24.29 | vadimkolchev | Teraflops, works well on opensuse, Fedora, Gentoo, arch for me |
| 18:24.39 | nvz | vadimkolchev: yes that is common on flaky cards they kinda snooze on ya |
| 18:24.40 | teraflops | sure |
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| 18:27.48 | BluesKaj | teraflops, especially ralink wifi dongles...clunky to install the drivers (hard to find) and unrelaible when in service |
| 18:27.52 | teraflops | vadimkolchev: did I say ralink. I meant realtek |
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| 18:28.10 | teraflops | but both sucks imo |
| 18:29.06 | nvz | vadimkolchev: the nm thing and the connection dropping may or may not be related but if they are the only thing that couldve changed or be different between the status quo and other situations where it worked are the kernel and the firmware |
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| 18:31.45 | jhutchins | nvz: NM can sometimes do a good job of reconnecting automatically. |
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| 18:34.48 | DammitJim | how do I make a file be part of a group by default when the file is placed in a particular folder? |
| 18:35.00 | nvz | jhutchins: that wasnt my point he had said that nm was failing to connect at all but wpasupplicant was connecting but dropping indicating the issues may not be related as nm seemed to be failing to connect to the card at all |
| 18:35.17 | teraflops | ey left? |
| 18:35.18 | greycat | setgid bit on the directory |
| 18:35.37 | greycat | not "placed in", but "created in" |
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| 18:36.26 | nvz | teraflops: indeed |
| 18:36.50 | Quatroking | okay so my debian stretch VM, fresh, clean install, is randomly freezing up |
| 18:37.01 | teraflops | hmm, reading a lot of issues with NM and stretch |
| 18:37.22 | Quatroking | I'm running it with 1GB ram, that should be enough for a bare system with no desktop environment, right? |
| 18:37.31 | teraflops | Quatroking: mind sharing more information? |
| 18:37.39 | Quatroking | well it runs on esxi 6.5 |
| 18:38.04 | Quatroking | installed without a hitch, all I installed so far is gparted which took three tries because it crashed twice |
| 18:38.08 | nvz | Quatroking: im running on half that so yeah |
| 18:38.45 | Quatroking | as for freezing, that's literally what it does |
| 18:39.06 | polaris | el rainscreen sólo ocupa Magboards? |
| 18:39.15 | DammitJim | is there a way to set a folder in such a way that files put in it get a default group? |
| 18:39.23 | nvz | Quatroking: keyboard lights blinking? |
| 18:39.25 | Quatroking | SSH gives me "software caused connection abort" and when I open up the console in vsphere it shows me the login screen, not reacting to anything |
| 18:39.27 | polaris | sorry |
| 18:39.29 | greycat | 14:35 greycat> setgid bit on the directory |
| 18:39.30 | greycat | 14:35 greycat> not "placed in", but "created in" |
| 18:39.38 | Quatroking | nope, numlock isn't reacting |
| 18:39.39 | teraflops | Quatroking: so, it's not host's faults? |
| 18:39.41 | greycat | not "put in" either. |
| 18:39.48 | DammitJim | oh |
| 18:39.53 | Quatroking | my host is running debian 8 and centos without a problem |
| 18:39.55 | teraflops | fault^ |
| 18:39.56 | DammitJim | setgid, thanks! |
| 18:40.17 | Quatroking | in fact my debian 8 uptime is about 50 something days |
| 18:40.26 | Quatroking | centos is nearing 30 I think |
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| 18:41.49 | DammitJim | now, the reason why I'm doing this is because when someone ftps a file, they use a particular user, so the file gets: -rw-rw-r-- user1:user1 |
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| 18:42.01 | DammitJim | but then I need a different user to come in and move the file out of there |
| 18:42.06 | Quatroking | what's interesting is that esxi tells me that the VM is using 2.1GHz of my cpu even though it's frozen |
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| 18:42.29 | DammitJim | I though that by setting the group owner of the parent folder to a group that both users are part of, that it would work |
| 18:42.32 | DammitJim | but it doesn't seem to :( |
| 18:42.46 | teraflops | Quatroking: well I can say I run a bunch of qemu+kvm stretch guests and they run fine |
| 18:43.11 | Quatroking | hrm |
| 18:43.23 | BluesKaj | uptime without any suspensions are a waste of power and don't prove anything nowadays |
| 18:43.28 | greycat | They literally FTP the file? Using the FTP protocol? Seriously? |
| 18:43.48 | greycat | Why not just tie it around a pigeon's leg... |
| 18:43.59 | DammitJim | sFTP |
| 18:44.01 | Quatroking | lemme install debian 8, see if that stays alive, then do a distro upgrade |
| 18:44.02 | DammitJim | I was lazy about the s |
| 18:44.34 | teraflops | Quatroking: not mean to look picky it's just I wonder if it's host/host virt sw or guest fault |
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| 18:45.05 | Quatroking | I'm not getting any errors anywhere which is what annoys me the most because I have no clue where to start debugging |
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| 18:45.42 | greycat | DammitJim: so I'm hearing "users upload files and I want a thing to happen when the upload finishes". Yeah? That's difficult, and to do it *right* requires cooperation from the client. |
| 18:46.01 | DammitJim | oh gosh, poor pigeon |
| 18:46.05 | greycat | The client either has to rename the file when the upload is done, or move it, or upload a second file as a sentinel, or something. |
| 18:46.14 | DammitJim | no no no |
| 18:46.26 | DammitJim | the file gets sftp'd to this folder |
| 18:46.27 | bitblit | What does it mean to Trust a bluetooth device that is already Paired? |
| 18:46.43 | DammitJim | inheritently, it gets -rw-rw-r-- user1:user1 |
| 18:46.55 | DammitJim | then user2 needs to be able to move the file to a different directory |
| 18:46.57 | greycat | Because the directory isn't setuid. |
| 18:47.04 | jhutchins | DammitJim: What are you using for your sftp server? What do the clients use? |
| 18:47.13 | greycat | err setgid |
| 18:47.14 | DammitJim | openssh-server |
| 18:47.19 | DammitJim | ok, setgid is the way to go |
| 18:47.20 | DammitJim | thanks! |
| 18:47.53 | qman__ | yeah, I'm acutely aware of how difficult it is to automatically do something after a file is uploaded |
| 18:48.03 | jhutchins | DammitJim: User should be able to change group ownership to a mutual group. |
| 18:48.04 | DammitJim | I can setgid on a directory, right? |
| 18:48.09 | qman__ | I have a script which fixes pictures uploaded from my phone |
| 18:48.14 | DammitJim | the user just sftp's the file |
| 18:48.16 | DammitJim | that's all they do |
| 18:48.24 | greycat | DammitJim: I am not going to repeat myself any more. Fucking read /lastlog or man pages. |
| 18:48.31 | DammitJim | you see, I'm trying to change a process that runs as root currently |
| 18:48.38 | DammitJim | and set a specific user to run that process instead |
| 18:48.48 | DammitJim | and I'm running into permissions problems (because I'm not very good at that) |
| 18:48.56 | DammitJim | thanks greycat |
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| 18:49.03 | greycat | And what happens when this automated process runs while a file is still being uploaded? |
| 18:49.18 | DammitJim | that process is checking if the file is opened |
| 18:49.34 | DammitJim | some java program someone else wrote |
| 18:49.34 | greycat | So you completely fail, and you did not read anything I said. Wonderful. Lovely. |
| 18:49.37 | qman__ | that doesn't work, the file doesn't have any open handles during the upload |
| 18:49.44 | teraflops | bitblit: trusted devices can connect automatically |
| 18:49.50 | DammitJim | I did miss the thing about setgid for a directory, I apologize |
| 18:49.53 | greycat | The client either has to rename the file when the upload is done, or move it, or upload a second file as a sentinel, or something. |
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| 18:50.04 | greycat | (I lied. I will repeat that thing. Now I'm done. *plonk*) |
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| 18:50.46 | mr | hi mens |
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| 18:51.28 | mr | guys |
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| 18:52.06 | Irulan | can I filter out some packages with " aptitude reinstall '~i' " ? |
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| 18:52.21 | mr | hey |
| 18:52.24 | mr | ihere |
| 18:52.39 | jhutchins | Irulan: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 18:53.10 | mr | i need speake with anyone private chat |
| 18:53.11 | Irulan | I'm trying to reinstall all packages but there are some old, non-downloadable ones |
| 18:53.36 | Irulan | (that I don't need to reinstall because I didn't broke them) |
| 18:55.03 | jhutchins | Irulan: So back up the non-debian packages, do a clean install, and restore. |
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| 18:56.30 | Irulan | I'd like not to clean install :/ |
| 18:57.18 | jhutchins | Why do you want to reinstall? |
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| 18:58.13 | Irulan | because this server have many services on it, and I fear to miss some |
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| 18:59.37 | jhutchins | But why reinstall in the first place? Is _everything_ broken? |
| 18:59.57 | jhutchins | Irulan: What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 19:01.09 | Irulan | I snapshotted /usr and / before upgrading to strech, then reverted back but I had forgetten to snapshot /var as well |
| 19:01.38 | Irulan | so my /usr is jessie but /var/lib/dpkg is in stretch state |
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| 19:03.48 | jelly | that counts as "everything is broken" yes :-) |
| 19:03.50 | jelly | especially database binaries that are now mangling newer versions of metadata in /var |
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| 19:04.07 | jelly | Irulan: do you have any databases under /var ? |
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| 19:04.17 | jelly | like mysql/mariadb or postgres? |
| 19:04.21 | greycat | (besides dpkg's) |
| 19:04.27 | Irulan | that's why I want to re-install all stretch packages |
| 19:04.50 | Irulan | I have mariadb & ldap |
| 19:05.02 | greycat | I can't see this working. |
| 19:05.18 | jelly | Irulan: and you luckily haven't booted this system, as it is now, yet? |
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| 19:05.20 | greycat | I mean, sure, go ahead and try, if you want to see how it breaks for amusement, but you're going to end up clean-installing. |
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| 19:06.11 | jelly | Irulan: ie. are you working off some sort of rescue image, or did you in fact let this concotion boot and try to bring up services |
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| 19:06.47 | Irulan | it booted. I was amazed mariadb can start, BTW |
| 19:06.52 | jelly | ouch. |
| 19:06.56 | jelly | that's not good |
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| 19:07.58 | jhutchins | Irulan: I can't find or think of a way to fix this other than a clean install. |
| 19:08.27 | jhutchins | Irulan: You can't even work from a package list on the existing system, because the list of installed packages is from stretch. |
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| 19:09.17 | jhutchins | Even if one of the tools would do a "reinstall *" you'd get stretch, not your original jessie. |
| 19:09.41 | Irulan | package list is from strech, databases are from stretch ; so if I put stretch binaries back, I'll get a working system |
| 19:09.41 | jelly | Irulan: reinstall everything might have worked up until the point jessie binaries started messing with stretch-upgraded data. I'd do this if I didn't have backups: pull the plug now to stop any further corruption; make a snapshot/clone of current system; make a new minimal stretch system; copy over /etc/{passwd,group,shadow,gshadow}, then do a dpkg --get-selections clone. |
| 19:09.51 | Irulan | then I'll have to debug my qmail |
| 19:10.22 | jelly | then see what can be done with data. |
| 19:12.14 | jelly | Irulan: can't guarantee data is still intact this way. Best copy it to a stretch system, do full dumps/slapcats of databases, make a fresh purge/reinstall of databases and import it all in, hope that works |
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| 19:13.10 | jelly | at least mysql index structure gets changed from mysql 5.5 to mariadb 10.1, and of course there are metadata changes but that's less important |
| 19:13.40 | Irulan | my jessie was mariadb 10.0, that's why i booted |
| 19:13.46 | jelly | ah |
| 19:13.56 | jelly | maybe you're lucky |
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| 19:14.07 | jelly | ask mariadb people if you're lucky :-) |
| 19:14.23 | Irulan | I think it may work, but I want to be sure I have reinstalled all packages |
| 19:14.25 | jelly | and what happens if you place a 10.1 db into 10.0's hands |
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| 19:14.41 | jelly | reinstalling packages is possible if tedious. |
| 19:15.08 | jelly | but IMHO not the thing to worry the most about |
| 19:15.13 | Irulan | I will have many orphaned files but I can live with that |
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| 19:20.01 | Irulan | E: Couldn't configure perl-base:amd64, probably a dependency cycle. |
| 19:20.24 | Irulan | someone know how to solve this one ? |
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| 19:25.21 | Ke | Irulan: would installing without recommends help? |
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| 19:27.06 | Ke | aptitude -R |
| 19:27.26 | Irulan | no, as it's a reinstall, no recommands in the way |
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| 19:39.02 | jelly | Irulan: show the complete output. |
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| 19:39.58 | jelly | Irulan: afair you need to dpkg -i both perl-base and perl-modules in the same command line (or convince apt/aptitude to do that) |
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| 19:40.16 | forcerecon | anyone want to take a crack at my last error |
| 19:40.16 | forcerecon | http://imgur.com/a/G2aX1 |
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| 19:47.35 | likcoras | forcerecon: looks normal. Type in your password? if it's about those warnings, just ignore them. lvm just can't find volumes (yet) because it's encrypted, it will succeed after it gets decrypted. |
| 19:48.31 | Quatroking | alright I now have jessie running on the same exact VM and it's not freezing up |
| 19:48.32 | Quatroking | weird |
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| 19:50.59 | jhutchins | Irulan: How do you expect to know what jessie packages you had? |
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| 19:52.11 | Irulan | jhutchins: I'm willing to switch to stretch now |
| 19:52.49 | ewew | Hi. is there any danger of using nosuid on /var ? |
| 19:52.56 | jhutchins | Irulan: You can't do a dist upgrade though, because apt thinks you allready have everything installed. |
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| 19:53.19 | likcoras | ewew: I'm running with nosuid on /var, no problems at all so far. |
| 19:53.22 | Irulan | jelly : https://pastebin.com/AaE75a28 |
| 19:53.28 | jhutchins | ewew: Why? |
| 19:53.41 | ewew | just testing limits. |
| 19:54.28 | likcoras | you can always remove it later if you discover some issue later |
| 19:54.59 | forcerecon | likcoras: thanks.. so you think it is okay to just let it go |
| 19:55.28 | forcerecon | if so I will.. I just figured I would try to learn to perfect it if I could |
| 19:55.31 | ewew | likcoras i follow rule. if there is a suid binary then leave it suid. |
| 19:55.32 | likcoras | forcerecon: yup, I mean how is lvm going to find volumes if it's encrypted? just normal. |
| 19:55.34 | forcerecon | all comes down to learning |
| 19:55.38 | jhutchins | forcerecon: If it can't find them after you decrypt that's a problem. |
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| 19:56.09 | forcerecon | jhutchins: it does find it, there is another error but goes by to fast to catch by eye.. I might tape it next time.. |
| 19:56.15 | forcerecon | but thanks guys.. I will just forget it |
| 19:56.24 | likcoras | Eh, if you remount with nosuid off, it will work, no? nosuid just prevents it from actually working |
| 19:56.29 | jhutchins | forcerecon: If it's a significant error it'll be logged. |
| 19:56.51 | forcerecon | well I hope the image helps.. maybe it can be logged if it becomes an issue |
| 19:57.01 | forcerecon | right now I am fine.. but I just don't like errors |
| 19:57.05 | forcerecon | awesome though! |
| 19:57.07 | forcerecon | thankx |
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| 19:59.44 | JyZyXEL | how do i make a udev rule that sets the chown of the resultin /dev/hidraw*? |
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| 20:06.15 | danielh1234 | When using debootstrap, the current hostname leaks into /etc/hostname in the fresh system. Is there an exhaustive list of things that leak / may differ depending on the used system (assuming same version of debootstrap)? |
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| 20:30.03 | jhutchins | forcerecon: Unfortunately a lot of developers seem to think errors are a good heartbeat indicator and don't ever clean them up. |
| 20:30.27 | jhutchins | forcerecon: My policy is that if there's an error, it should mean that I should call you at 3:00 am. |
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| 20:31.49 | jhutchins | I have seventeen or so drives in sight from where I sit. Rather than figure out which one would be good to use for a project, I'm very likely to just get the cheapest thing MicroCenter has this weekend. |
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| 20:32.21 | tw | I think you may need a better labeling scheme. |
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| 20:32.50 | jhutchins | (Meant that for another window, but still true.) |
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| 20:32.59 | tremolo | jhutchins: That is the most reasonable solution. |
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| 20:33.23 | jhutchins | Many of them are archival. |
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| 20:35.02 | jhutchins | tw: Looking at a few I conclude that I need a labeling scheme. (Some are labeled.) |
| 20:36.16 | tremolo | obvious fix for that |
| 20:36.19 | alive876 | hi, Debian GNU/Linux 8 \n \l ; echo $PATH $/home/brw31415/bin: ; ls bin -> lein ; lein -> command not found thanks! |
| 20:36.39 | greycat | Your PATH has to include /bin and /usr/bin |
| 20:36.49 | jhutchins | tremolo: Yeah, good project for a rainy/100 degree day. |
| 20:36.50 | tw | I use avery address labels and just throw down the date, last purpose, and the hostname |
| 20:37.08 | tw | 90% of the time that's good enough, and brief enough that I'll actually do it. |
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| 20:37.34 | tremolo | I was going to suggest removing the labels so you aren't bothered by only some being labeled. |
| 20:37.36 | greycat | is beginning to suspect that you did not tell us the true output of echo $PATH |
| 20:37.49 | jhutchins | tw: My avery labels are so old they don't stick any more. |
| 20:38.06 | tw | jhutchins: You could pick some up at microcenter when you buy that new disk. |
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| 20:38.36 | jhutchins | alive876: ls list the specified or current directory, not anything relative to the path. |
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| 20:39.05 | jhutchins | tw: I usually just write on the case/label with a sharpie. |
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| 20:39.31 | greycat | If the output of echo $PATH was a lie, and the actual issue is "I try to run lein and it's in a directory that's in PATH, but I get command not found" then we need to know what "lein" is. A symlink? A file? A compiled program or a script? What's the interpreter/shebang? |
| 20:39.39 | alive876 | greycat my path does includes that -> https://pastebin.com/h2cW92Uw |
| 20:40.17 | tw | alive876: there shouldn't be a $ at the beginning of line 2. |
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| 20:40.47 | greycat | Also that. |
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| 20:42.18 | alive876 | ok thanks |
| 20:42.28 | jhutchins | alive876: You have google-cloud-sdk and google_appengine twice. |
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| 20:47.01 | forcerecon | Unpacking kbd (2.0.3-2+b1) over (1.15.5-2) ... |
| 20:47.01 | forcerecon | dpkg: warning: unable to delete old directory '/etc/kbd': Directory not empty |
| 20:47.02 | dpkg | forcerecon: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 20:47.17 | greycat | Just ignore it like everyone else does. |
| 20:47.25 | forcerecon | one error so far on update of jessie to stretch |
| 20:47.30 | greycat | It's a warning, not an error. |
| 20:48.07 | forcerecon | hey I saw the funniest comments from you today on document for jhutchins |
| 20:48.21 | forcerecon | true, but so well documented |
| 20:48.48 | forcerecon | warning: unable to delete old directory '/etc/default/kdm.d': Directory not empty |
| 20:48.51 | forcerecon | 2 |
| 20:49.21 | forcerecon | greycat: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 20:49.24 | forcerecon | funny stuff |
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| 20:50.06 | vooze | Hi, I'm trying to increase my log buffer, since writing all those small changes are bad to my SSD on ZFS. How do I do this? I found a forum thread saying: "Use memory-buffers for logging, or redirect logs to tmpfs and rotate them to disk frequently" But I have no idea how to do this :( and I can't really find any good up to date guides online. |
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| 20:54.18 | `Kevin | vooze: log buffer? |
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| 20:55.04 | forcerecon | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.04 | forcerecon | dpkg: warning: unable to delete old directory '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/orca/scripts/apps/gdmlogin': Directory not empty |
| 20:55.04 | forcerecon | dpkg: warning: unable to delete old directory '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/orca/scripts/apps/gdm-simple-greeter': Directory not empty |
| 20:55.04 | dpkg | forcerecon: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 20:55.14 | forcerecon | just for informationational purposes |
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| 20:55.36 | greycat | We really don't care. |
| 20:55.50 | forcerecon | welp.. okay then.. no mas |
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| 20:56.26 | vooze | `Kevin from my understanding, that is the mount of data "between" when the system writes to the logs, so instead of trying every new bit, it will wait for something like 4MiB before it writes |
| 20:59.10 | `Kevin | vooze: perhaps you mean ZIL or SLOG, regardless i found the post you are referring to, are you actually seeing heavy I/O due to SSD write amplification? if you cannot verify that i dont see the worry here |
| 21:00.08 | vooze | `Kevin yeah, my SSD have 2 TB written after only 62 days, and I havent really used it much, so I suspect this could help |
| 21:01.25 | `Kevin | are you using raidz or mirror pools |
| 21:01.31 | `Kevin | btw this is heavily off-topic imo :) |
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| 21:02.30 | vooze | but ZIL or SLOG is for a HDD array where you have 1 (or 2) SSDs are ZIL/SLOG. In my case it's my boot pool on SSDs (mirrored SSDs) they are cheap consumer SSDs (I know..) so they only have 75 TBW. |
| 21:02.41 | vooze | It's a mirrored pool |
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| 21:03.18 | `Kevin | vooze: that im aware of but im not aware of this other log you speak of and the guy who wrote the post on a forum you are referencing is suggesting some crazy stuff i would never do |
| 21:03.25 | `Kevin | (tmpfs for example) |
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| 21:03.58 | vooze | I honestly have no idea :) I'm just a little desperate, since I don't want my SSDs to die early |
| 21:04.37 | vooze | Something like this, I think: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/332422/how-to-find-out-a-linux-kernel-ring-buffer-size |
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| 21:05.02 | vooze | (I think) :D |
| 21:06.32 | `Kevin | nope, ring buffers exist for many things, this is specifically messages relating to the kernel itself (dmesg) |
| 21:06.35 | vooze | My SSD seems to think I have written 1342 MB/hr |
| 21:07.12 | `Kevin | and does `iostat -xm 2` show heavy util% ? |
| 21:08.17 | vooze | Jumps a bit up and down, but every 2-3 secs it jumps to about 1MB/s |
| 21:08.34 | vooze | wMB/s * |
| 21:08.59 | `Kevin | does iotop show 1M/s spikes? |
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| 21:09.48 | `Kevin | that isnt much btw :P id suggest you monitor iotop over time to see what is generating usage |
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| 21:12.28 | vooze | `Kevin the highest I can see is about 700K/s from KVM 100 (pfSense router) |
| 21:12.40 | vooze | but it's hard to see, it goes up and down fast :d |
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| 21:13.25 | vooze | could that be the case? All WAN goes through my pfSense, could that be the writes ? |
| 21:14.17 | `Kevin | fw logs? |
| 21:15.13 | vooze | Good idea, let me see what is in there |
| 21:15.45 | Tramp | vooze: 2TB in 62 days converts to roughly 6.5 years left for the (probably very conservative) 75 TBW. Though I'd bet it would last 2-3 times that long at least ... |
| 21:17.30 | `Kevin | ^ |
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| 21:17.49 | vooze | Tramp I guess you are right. hmm I just think 2TB sounds crazy, since I have about 20GB on the drives |
| 21:17.55 | vooze | and it's just a small home server |
| 21:18.41 | vooze | fw log have 50 entries for only 1-2 mins though |
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| 21:19.01 | vooze | but I could I could just live with it, as long as it wont be worse than this |
| 21:19.05 | `Kevin | so |
| 21:19.06 | vooze | I would * |
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| 21:19.11 | `Kevin | you have a VM |
| 21:19.19 | `Kevin | with a different filesystem on top of ZFS? |
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| 21:19.37 | vooze | yeah |
| 21:19.43 | `Kevin | so yea thats problematic :P |
| 21:19.51 | vooze | Hmm :( |
| 21:19.56 | `Kevin | not entirely but if you are worried about write amplification |
| 21:20.11 | `Kevin | you have yet another journal happening |
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| 21:20.29 | Tramp | vooze: when I bought my first SSD some years ago, I was concerned about their lifetime as well. Then I read some "endurance tests" where they wrote in the Petabyte range, before they died (though they were not TLCs/MLCs at that time) |
| 21:20.45 | `Kevin | again, i dont think you need to worry as tramp pointed out but there are bigger things there to resolve than simply adjusting zfs itself |
| 21:21.11 | forcerecon | what command do you run to see what version you are running of debian |
| 21:21.12 | vooze | Guess I could eventually get a ZFS box, and just keep my LXC containers on this |
| 21:21.22 | vooze | lol |
| 21:21.24 | vooze | pfSense box* |
| 21:21.25 | vooze | :D |
| 21:22.23 | Tramp | forcerecon: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:22.24 | vooze | I actually switched from HDDs to SSD simply to avoid the "clicking" (the server in my office) - Guess this is better than clicking still |
| 21:22.58 | vooze | Thanks for your help though. It really helped |
| 21:23.36 | vooze | I will just buy a SSD with higher TBW next time (lesson learned) |
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| 21:24.03 | Nothing4You | hey there |
| 21:24.16 | forcerecon | exit |
| 21:24.27 | Nothing4You | during netinstall when configuring the package manager it tells me "Downloading a file failed" |
| 21:24.33 | Nothing4You | is it possible to see what exactly failed? |
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| 21:24.51 | jhutchins | Odd, aptitude jus re-installed kernel 4.9.0 |
| 21:25.26 | ryouma | where did you measure the 2tb |
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| 21:25.38 | ryouma | mine has 75 somethigns also iirc |
| 21:25.49 | vooze | `Kevin do you think my LXC containers counts as extra journals as well? |
| 21:25.52 | `Kevin | vooze: you might find this insightful + the many other pages they have https://www.cactus-tech.com/resources/blog/details/solid-state-drive-primer-1-the-basic-nand-flash-cell |
| 21:26.10 | jhutchins | Nothing4You: Downloading a file. |
| 21:26.27 | Nothing4You | like what file - reason for fail? |
| 21:26.53 | Nothing4You | e.g. whether it's http error or something else? |
| 21:27.15 | jhutchins | Nothing4You: Sorry, the only component I remember being referred to as just "file" is the install script. There might be logs, there might be info on one of the other TTYs. |
| 21:27.25 | Nothing4You | ah just found it in syslog |
| 21:27.29 | Nothing4You | it's weird tho |
| 21:27.39 | `Kevin | vooze: depends on your container setup, iirc by default aufs is used in most setup thou often you can opt for a different setup |
| 21:27.52 | Nothing4You | "The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found" |
| 21:28.04 | Nothing4You | i installed another image with https mirror earlier today |
| 21:28.07 | Nothing4You | same mirror |
| 21:28.43 | jhutchins | Nothing4You: same installer image? |
| 21:28.44 | Nothing4You | and same netiso image |
| 21:28.46 | Nothing4You | yes |
| 21:29.03 | jhutchins | Nothing4You: Not same image on a different medium? |
| 21:29.14 | forcerecon | I am upgrding a machine and no matter how many time I do an update and then a dist-upgrade it never finished |
| 21:29.14 | Nothing4You | only difference i had was not selecting mirror chooser to load from disk |
| 21:29.17 | vooze | `Kevin if I can see my container storage like so: rpool/data/subvol-101-disk-1 1.17G 48.8G 1.17G /rpool/data/subvol-101-disk-1 under "zfs list" it should be ZFS as well right? |
| 21:29.23 | forcerecon | it keeps doing the same thing over nad over and over |
| 21:29.25 | Nothing4You | i'll try with loading that again |
| 21:29.37 | jhutchins | Nothing4You: It could just be that with the traffic of a new release things fail. |
| 21:29.41 | vooze | Tramp for sure, I will read that. Thanks! |
| 21:29.46 | jhutchins | Nothing4You: It could be a glitch in your medium. |
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| 21:32.03 | jhutchins | vooze: More recent advice re SSD tuning is "don't worry about it". |
| 21:32.21 | Nothing4You | jhutchins: after selecting choose-mirror it works |
| 21:32.31 | Nothing4You | appearently base image without that doesn't support https mirrors :| |
| 21:32.32 | jhutchins | Nothing4You: Yay! |
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| 21:35.34 | vooze | jhutchins I will try not to :D |
| 21:35.56 | thims | Does anyone dual boot Debian and OS X, Sierra specifically? I am looking for tips and advice as to the easiest/safest route to such. |
| 21:35.59 | vooze | Guess I can just buy a couple new ones down the line and replace these with better ones next time |
| 21:36.20 | thims | I see Bootcamp is worthless with the idea, and grub looks to be other than standard as a bootloader? |
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| 21:37.13 | vooze | thims just install it, I think you will basicly be dual booting grub and OSX, and from grub you choose debian |
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| 21:38.11 | vooze | thims with that said, to be safe, I would probably use two drives |
| 21:38.29 | Tramp | vooze: thanks for the thanks, but the link came from `Kevin :) |
| 21:38.48 | thims | vooze: I will still have to GParted live, resize and allocate, then boot Debian. But Grub won't effect my current OS X? |
| 21:39.10 | vooze | Tramp oh crap. `Kevin: Thanks :D |
| 21:39.24 | thims | vooze: Also, I don't want the inconvenience of booting off an external drive. :/ |
| 21:40.09 | vooze | thims: I can remember how that works. Back when I was dual booting (Windows, OSX or whatever) I always used a seperate drive. |
| 21:40.18 | forcerecon | on a side note after update to stretch all desktop icons are gone |
| 21:40.25 | vooze | Just to be sure Win/OSX does not screw grub up |
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| 21:40.42 | vooze | thims I can't * |
| 21:41.15 | vooze | thims how old is your mac? If it's older you could put a seperate SSD /HDD in the DVD drive caddy |
| 21:41.33 | thims | vooze: Alright. Thank you. I may do more research first and get a Time Machine image. |
| 21:41.47 | thims | vooze: Macbook 2017 |
| 21:41.57 | vooze | ah, well not happening then :( |
| 21:42.05 | thims | Agreed. |
| 21:42.10 | vooze | are you even sure mac 2017 drivers works on Debian? |
| 21:42.20 | vooze | Sounds like taking a bit of a "risk" |
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| 21:46.26 | latez_ | Quick question for you guys - have any of you ever had to fsck an iscsi volume |
| 21:46.32 | thims | vooze: No. I'm not. I just want an install of Debian that is vanilla and not emulated. |
| 21:47.40 | vooze | thims fair enough :) Worth a try for sure |
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| 21:50.52 | aguitel | try to copy a file in pendrive but it say read only and not copy nothing |
| 21:50.58 | aguitel | use memo |
| 21:51.05 | aguitel | cinnamon |
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| 21:51.12 | aguitel | why this |
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| 22:00.22 | jhutchins | aguitel: Somebody thought it was a good idea for removable media to always be read-only. |
| 22:00.49 | aguitel | jhutchins, why this? |
| 22:00.54 | jhutchins | aguitel: I put an entry in fstab to always mount it rw. |
| 22:01.00 | jhutchins | aguitel: I have no idea why. |
| 22:01.15 | aguitel | ok |
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| 22:02.30 | thims | vooze: Agreed. |
| 22:02.39 | jhutchins | user accessible ntfs |
| 22:02.48 | jhutchins | dpkg user accessible ntfs |
| 22:02.48 | dpkg | To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field. |
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| 22:04.44 | jmcnaught | if it's just a temporary mount and you have udisks2 service running you can use udisksctl(1) as a regular user to mount it |
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| 22:05.50 | jhutchins | aguitel: Which reminds me, I rebuilt two of my systems recently and need to re-do that. |
| 22:06.44 | jhutchins | aguitel: What release are you on? |
| 22:07.19 | jhutchins | In XFCE on 8.8 it mounts rw. |
| 22:07.26 | jhutchins | No fstab entry. |
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| 22:10.03 | jhutchins | aguitel: Here's what I have on an older system: |
| 22:10.05 | jhutchins | aguitel: dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 22:11.20 | jhutchins | aguitel: Brazil? |
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| 22:17.01 | forcerecon | after a apt-get udpate and apt-get dist-upgrade.. how does one remove packages that are no longer valid.. what is the command please |
| 22:17.35 | jmcnaught | forcerecon: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#for-next |
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| 22:19.19 | slugmx | hi - after installing stretch, i install firmware-iwlwifi but NetworkManager does not display any wifi things, anyone happen to know what would cause this? |
| 22:20.42 | jmcnaught | slugmx: what led you to install firmware-iwlwifi, were there log messages about missing firmware files? what did those messages say? |
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| 22:21.31 | slugmx | i installed it because the machine is thinkpad with intel wireless chip |
| 22:21.45 | slugmx | just like any other debian version i have always needed it |
| 22:22.12 | jmcnaught | did you reboot after installing the firmware package? |
| 22:22.16 | aguitel | jhutchins, argentina |
| 22:22.18 | slugmx | yes |
| 22:24.25 | jmcnaught | slugmx: time to look at some logs then. "dmesg | grep -i firmware" will show any firmware related messages from the kernel. You can also look at "journalctl -u NetworkManager" for logs from NM. Is there anything besides lo in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:25.38 | slugmx | hey thank you for your kind responses jmcnaught, turns out it was another kernel module i had causing the issue |
| 22:25.43 | slugmx | thx! |
| 22:26.10 | jmcnaught | cheers, what was the module by the way? |
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| 22:29.09 | jhutchins | Where are the .desktop files that create menu entries for xfce? |
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| 22:29.39 | jmcnaught | in /usr/share/applications if they're from packages |
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| 22:30.40 | jmcnaught | you can also use /usr/local/share/applications and ~/.local/share/applications for GNOME at least |
| 22:31.46 | teraflops | ~/.local/share/applications is for dealing with xdg-mime stuff |
| 22:31.46 | apt | ...but /.local/share/applications is already something else... |
| 22:32.29 | teraflops | gnome uses gvs-mime though, which is now deprecated upstream in favour of gio |
| 22:32.44 | jmcnaught | you can also add user-specific menu entries there |
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| 22:34.11 | jhutchins | Odd, I have two entries for imagemagick, but no icon and no files in those locations |
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| 22:35.17 | teraflops | also iirc xfce uses its own thingy |
| 22:35.53 | jhutchins | Also doesn't launch anything, and I can't just right click and get properties for the menu entry. |
| 22:36.30 | teraflops | those desktop files or not app launchers |
| 22:37.07 | teraflops | I meant you do not double click them for launching apps |
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| 22:37.41 | teraflops | they define a mime type and an application that handles it |
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| 22:38.07 | ZeuZ | Hello, I;ve got a problem. Can;t find up to date manuals for freeradius 3.X on debian 7 |
| 22:38.11 | teraflops | are not^ |
| 22:38.57 | forcerecon | sudo apt autoremove |
| 22:39.00 | ZeuZ | ergh, debian 9 |
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| 22:39.27 | forcerecon | all good.. after a few times of running everything the machine has been updated to nine flawlessly and the icons came back on the desktop and everything is spot on |
| 22:39.32 | forcerecon | way to go debian |
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| 22:44.58 | lesik__ | hey, I just freshly installed debian stretch in a VM and I'm getting a weird error when updating the package lists. |
| 22:45.01 | lesik__ | "the keys in keyring /etc/apt/trusted.pgp are ignored as the file is not readable by user '_apt' executing apt-key" |
| 22:45.13 | lesik__ | when I remove the file, it works fine until I open synaptic again. |
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| 22:45.41 | lesik__ | then I get the same warning (sorry, it's more of a warning. I can still use apt without problems, it's just that annoying warning) |
| 22:46.04 | lesik__ | I can not reproduce this error on my main machine, but I can definitely reproduce it in the VM. |
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| 22:47.29 | lesik__ | both machines run stretch, by the way. my main machine was updated from jessie though, if that could have anything to do with the problem. |
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| 22:47.58 | lesik__ | I've found some forum posts that suggest removing the file, which does fix the issue temporarily, until the next time synaptic is opened. |
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| 22:50.31 | forcerecon | this is interesting.. I do an apt-get update and even though source.list is all stretch it is still hitting jessie and stretch |
| 22:50.34 | forcerecon | is this normal |
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| 22:51.05 | forcerecon | Ign:2 http://linux.dropbox.com/debian jessie InRelease |
| 22:51.05 | forcerecon | Hit:3 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable Release |
| 22:51.05 | forcerecon | Hit:4 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates InRelease |
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| 22:51.39 | forcerecon | Ign:5 http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch InRelease |
| 22:51.39 | forcerecon | Hit:6 http://linux.dropbox.com/debian jessie Release |
| 22:51.39 | forcerecon | Hit:7 http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-updates InRelease |
| 22:52.35 | mutante | forcerecon: my guess would be you also have config snippets in /etc/apt/sources.list.d directory |
| 22:52.51 | forcerecon | the machine that was clean install of 9 does not do this just the upgraded one |
| 22:53.25 | lesik__ | forcerecon: it's only the dropbox repo that is on jessie. did you check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dropbox.list? |
| 22:53.32 | mutante | forcerecon: check both places /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
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| 22:53.50 | forcerecon | mutante: you are correct there is a sources.list.d folder with dropbox.list and google-chrome.list in it.. shoudl I just delete the folder |
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| 22:54.00 | mutante | forcerecon: not the folder, but the file |
| 22:54.14 | forcerecon | two files I will delete both |
| 22:54.22 | at0m | and why delete if you can replace the jessie with stretch as in your sources.list |
| 22:54.38 | lesik__ | if you delete the files, you will not get any updates for dropbox or google chrome |
| 22:54.54 | lesik__ | however, the dropbox repo does not support stretch yet: https://linux.dropboxstatic.com/debian/dists/ |
| 22:54.59 | forcerecon | sources.list does not indicate those locations.. only stretch.. it is calling it somhow but not from sources.list |
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| 22:55.43 | forcerecon | I have dropbox on the new machine and those files do not exist.. |
| 22:55.44 | mutante | forcerecon: you can also just take the content of those files and add them to the regular sources.list file. doesn't really matter for the result |
| 22:56.45 | forcerecon | just following the rabbit.. here why on new machine with same apps is there no drop or chrome even though they are installed, but on upgraded pc they exist |
| 22:57.34 | lesik__ | possibly the repo is missing on your non-upgraded machine because dropbox does not offer a repo for stretch yet. |
| 22:57.59 | forcerecon | butit did for jessie? |
| 22:58.06 | lesik__ | yes |
| 22:58.08 | forcerecon | I am following now |
| 22:58.09 | forcerecon | thanks |
| 22:58.13 | lesik__ | I assume the dropbox binary check the system version, if it finds a supported one, it installs a repo list file under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dropbox.list |
| 22:58.20 | lesik__ | but for stretch, it didn't find one |
| 22:58.24 | lesik__ | so it skipped that |
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| 22:59.44 | lesik__ | on the jessie system, which you upgraded to stretch, you still have the old file, that dropbox installed there back then a while ago, when you were still running jessie |
| 22:59.46 | amundsen | hi |
| 22:59.56 | at0m | unless you run dropbox as root (eek), it cannot add a file in sources.list.d |
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| 23:00.20 | amundsen | if atom text editor is open source why isn't it in debian repos? |
| 23:00.23 | lesik__ | at0m: it might have asked for privileges |
| 23:01.27 | lesik__ | amundsen: if I understood correctly, something about unlicensed files (which is a no-go for debian) |
| 23:01.30 | lesik__ | https://github.com/atom/atom/issues/2293 |
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| 23:03.12 | amundsen | lesik__, thx |
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| 23:07.48 | forcerecon | there is aprogram that I really like it is called signal.. and it is secure text messaging.. |
| 23:08.19 | forcerecon | in windows they created the ability for you to run chrome browser and connec to signal same as the app on your phone but as a chrome app.. it was great |
| 23:08.45 | forcerecon | what in linux allows you to txt sms and not only see it on your machine but on your phone and sync real time |
| 23:08.49 | forcerecon | is there anything out there |
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| 23:10.45 | forcerecon | I have not mastered this github thing yet but does this mean signal is available for linux - https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Desktop |
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| 23:13.20 | forcerecon | it looks like as long as you install chrome it will work, or chromium |
| 23:13.27 | forcerecon | woohoo! |
| 23:13.42 | lesik__ | forcerecon: yes, it is a chrome extension. you can run it on any computer that can run chrome or chromium. |
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