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| 00:46.00 | Dremo | can someone help me |
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| 00:46.33 | bazhang | Dremo, debian support yes |
| 00:46.33 | gfds | hey guys |
| 00:46.48 | Dremo | Can you tell me how to do this: https://youtu.be/2-rSopYxhl4?t=11s |
| 00:46.54 | gfds | i just enabled the second GPU in my laptop (the integrated one supported by i915.ko) |
| 00:46.59 | gfds | and now X doesnt work |
| 00:47.07 | bazhang | Dremo, it's a song |
| 00:47.22 | gfds | when i startx, fglrx says "no matching device found" |
| 00:47.23 | Dremo | do you like that song |
| 00:47.41 | bazhang | Dremo, its not topical here |
| 00:48.10 | gfds | any idea how to tell X which GPU to use? |
| 00:48.27 | Dremo | how about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsNJjGGR4P8 |
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| 00:48.50 | mutante | could you please remove the Nazi troll |
| 00:48.57 | Dremo | i am not a nazi |
| 00:49.21 | mutante | an awful lot of swastikas and "kill people in camp" bs on it to claim that |
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| 00:49.42 | Dremo | i am not a nazi!!! |
| 00:51.33 | Dremo | if I was a nazi id post this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-7-sGa93HM |
| 00:51.50 | bazhang | !ops | Dremo |
| 00:51.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | Dremo |
| 00:52.09 | Dremo | STFU BAZHANG BITCH |
| 00:52.13 | Dremo | REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
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| 00:52.43 | Dremo | I MAR WORD FROM U AND ILL IGNORE |
| 00:52.51 | Dremo | yee silence |
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| 00:53.38 | Dremo | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KhNW07BD6U |
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| 00:55.36 | gfds | is it possible to have i915 drive my integrated laptop screen, and fglrx drive the VGA monitor i have attached? |
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| 01:07.42 | Drema | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pupEH1h0Mkw |
| 01:08.01 | bazhang | Drema, STOP that |
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| 01:08.27 | bazhang | Drema, this is debian support ONLY |
| 01:08.35 | Drema | alright jeez sorry |
| 01:08.38 | Drema | no need to flip out |
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| 01:54.48 | simbalion` | Is there a release date for stretch yet? Is it safe to upgrade from Jessie? (are we only waiting on the installer for new builds?) |
| 01:55.31 | missmbob | no. no not just waiting for installer. stretch currently has no security so it's not really "safe" |
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| 01:56.42 | simbalion` | understood |
| 01:56.54 | simbalion` | Whats that mean no security, its not getting patches? |
| 01:57.19 | missmbob | it gets it when it gets it. not in a timely manner as you'd expect |
| 01:59.22 | simbalion` | I see, I am assuming that those resources are not allocated until it moves from testing to stable? |
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| 02:00.02 | missmbob | and since it's frozen there's a mandatory 10 day waiting on any package |
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| 02:01.32 | simbalion` | Thanks for the clarification :) |
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| 02:02.02 | simbalion` | Is there any way to follow progress besides subscribing to the blog? |
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| 02:03.48 | mutante | dpkg: tell simbalion` about stretch freeze |
| 02:03.50 | missmbob | you can subscribe to the various mailing lists. debian-release might be of interest |
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| 02:05.30 | mutante | the graph on https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ i suppose |
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| 02:09.05 | simbalion` | This is exciting, I've only been using Debian as a primary OS since Wheezy, I suppose it's old hat to many of you. |
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| 02:10.01 | Mathisen | debian is not exactly in frony of the line.. :) |
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| 02:10.15 | Mathisen | all jokes aside it is stable |
| 02:10.38 | simbalion` | Mathisen: what do you mean? |
| 02:11.04 | Mathisen | i mean version of packages are mythlogy compaird to arch for example |
| 02:11.53 | simbalion` | I haven't tried Arch linux, I really like how apt functions however.. And I love Debian's free software philosophy, and the adherance to strict stability guidelines |
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| 02:12.14 | missmbob | then dont try arch |
| 02:12.16 | simbalion` | I tried Ubuntu in the past and found it to be full of problems depending on what you install |
| 02:12.58 | simbalion` | they seem to release a new major version twice a year, which doesn't instill me with confidence, but the opposite. |
| 02:13.01 | Mathisen | i use arch myself for my desktop but debian on servers all day long |
| 02:14.05 | VentGrey | Hello world |
| 02:14.19 | Mathisen | hello VentGrey |
| 02:14.59 | simbalion` | VentGrey: segfault |
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| 02:17.02 | VentGrey | segfault? |
| 02:17.15 | simbalion` | sorry, lame joke :D |
| 02:20.15 | VentGrey | im growing impatient for both Mate 1.18 here and Stretch coming out :v so i can use more testing stuff |
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| 02:23.11 | Jn_Kell | VentGrey, Any packages in particular you're waiting on? |
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| 02:23.50 | VentGrey | all mate 1.18 bundle |
| 02:23.57 | VentGrey | sadly not eve sid has it :( |
| 02:24.28 | VentGrey | i managed to install it on Jessie but it was thanks to a user named "StevePusser" You might know him from Debian Forums |
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| 02:27.04 | pingfloyd | VentGrey: in situations like that I go upstream and build the package myself |
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| 02:30.00 | chatter29 | hey guys |
| 02:30.02 | chatter29 | allah is doing |
| 02:30.04 | VentGrey | Yeah, takes too long after these minor updates |
| 02:30.07 | chatter29 | sun is not doing allah is doing |
| 02:30.23 | VentGrey | I could upload them myself but I would need a mentor |
| 02:30.42 | VentGrey | and will probablly get rejected since there is already an entire team |
| 02:31.46 | dgriffi | jhutchins: that's not terribly helpful |
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| 03:01.31 | simbalion` | bd |
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| 03:01.38 | simbalion` | oops wrong window sorry |
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| 03:25.34 | Bert_2 | Hi, I run a very typical PAM+LDAP setup with posixAccount and shadowAccount, we use shadowExpire to expire accounts that haven't renewed (yet), now I can't seem to find how I can check through CLI whether an account has expired without using ldap_search. I presume there should be some regular or PAM command to do this. Can anyone help me out? |
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| 03:50.58 | MachinaeWolf | Can you just install debian testing and just upgrade w/o ever reinstalling? |
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| 03:52.52 | pingfloyd | MachinaeWolf: why couldn't you? |
| 03:53.34 | MachinaeWolf | I haven't used debian in quite a while I just want to be sure |
| 03:53.35 | pingfloyd | MachinaeWolf: it's rolling, but that doesn't mean it might not break along the way |
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| 04:10.23 | MachinaeWolf | Wait debian testing is frozen right now? Is it ok to install it now...? |
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| 04:12.40 | ryouma | MachinaeWolf: i'd think so. debian-next is the channel. |
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| 04:13.03 | ryouma | the idea after all is to test it |
| 04:15.09 | MachinaeWolf | ok |
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| 04:30.03 | Walakea | why does Eclipse installer (from their website) keep telling me that i need Java 8, even though i just installed openjdk-8-jdk package? |
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| 04:41.57 | TheDillon__ | Hi pals. Anyone up? |
| 04:42.35 | gry | no |
| 04:42.42 | TheDillon__ | Hey, you again! |
| 04:42.44 | TheDillon__ | Hi there! |
| 04:43.00 | gry | (again, by which i mean 'yes, you can see i exist, but i am not going to guarantee that i will take your question because i did not see it yet') |
| 04:43.04 | gry | hi :) |
| 04:43.14 | TheDillon__ | I posted a question earlier but you never replied, lmao |
| 04:43.20 | TheDillon__ | I'll repost here where it's more relevant |
| 04:43.35 | gry | yes, there was one in another channel which i had no clue about :) if that's the same one, maybe someone else would pick it up :) |
| 04:43.51 | TheDillon__ | Awesome. Thanks anyways :) |
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| 04:45.38 | TheDillon__ | So I'm trying to install Debian. I'm using the graphical installer. I'm trying to set up my LVM. It's saying that the LV that the attempt to mount an ext4 file system to / failed. What do I do? |
| 04:46.26 | gry | what exact error message does it show? |
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| 04:46.50 | TheDillon__ | Yeah I guess details would be helpful huh |
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| 04:47.21 | TheDillon__ | The attempt to mount a file system with type ext4 in LVM VG dillonVG, LV root at / failed. |
| 04:49.07 | rjsalts | What's the steps to use blowfish passwords these days? It used to be install libpam-unix2, is it something to do with libxcrypt? |
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| 04:56.55 | gry | i wish i knew |
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| 05:01.26 | TheDillon__ | Hi again! Sorry. Any updates? |
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| 05:26.32 | dtux | I've got a Shuttle Glamor XPC SG33G5 that can boot windows (from HDD) np, but it seems to hang at BIOS when I put a Stretch or Jessie netinst flash drive in. Anyone ever heard of this before? |
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| 05:31.40 | ryzokuken | hey everyone! |
| 05:31.54 | ryzokuken | Needed a little help. |
| 05:32.39 | ryzokuken | I once tried setting up debian, the drivers were off. Tried setting up proprietary drivers, failed miserably. |
| 05:33.08 | gry | how did you install the nonfree drivers |
| 05:33.22 | ryzokuken | Someone recently suggested me to try SolydX, ran it live, still cannot run wifi and probably even graphics and sound |
| 05:33.30 | ryzokuken | gry: maybe backports? |
| 05:33.45 | gry | no, how did you install them |
| 05:34.34 | ryzokuken | I don't remember exactly, but maybe I downloaded a package using apt |
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| 05:35.21 | ryzokuken | gry: Probably `apt-get install -t jessie-backports nvidia-driver` |
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| 05:37.58 | ryzokuken | gry: `lspci | grep "3D"` shows up my nvidia card, but glxinfo shows up Gallium llvmpipe |
| 05:38.22 | ryzokuken | I have no idea what that means and why I'm not using the needed driver. |
| 05:38.35 | gry | already rebooted? |
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| 05:39.14 | ryzokuken | gry: No, I ran it live and now I'm running my other installation. |
| 05:39.53 | gry | i think maybe drivers install needs either a reboot or a couple carefully thought lines to load and unload the needed modules by hand |
| 05:40.11 | ryzokuken | hmm |
| 05:40.26 | ryzokuken | so should I go ahead an install it? Would everything start working eventually? |
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| 05:42.19 | gry | that's the plan |
| 05:43.43 | ryzokuken | gry: wifi isn't working though (yet) |
| 05:43.56 | ryzokuken | would the installation be fine without internet? |
| 05:44.32 | gry | if you use the live cd for install, yes |
| 05:44.58 | gry | it will be easier if you use an ethernet cable to install the nonfree driver after the install finished |
| 05:45.06 | ryzokuken | It's SolydX |
| 05:45.13 | gry | what is SolydX |
| 05:45.19 | towo^work | not debian |
| 05:45.23 | gry | sorry |
| 05:45.31 | gry | we don't support SolydX here, you need to talk with them |
| 05:45.47 | ryzokuken | gry: see this https://solydxk.com/ |
| 05:45.55 | gry | they must provide support for their distribution. it is not supported here. ask their irc channel |
| 05:46.05 | ryzokuken | this is pretty much vanilla debian with xfce preinstalled |
| 05:46.13 | towo^work | no, is not |
| 05:46.17 | gry | you can install debian with xfce preinstalled, i would help you |
| 05:46.27 | gry | but you must do that using debian installer and debian everything |
| 05:46.40 | towo^work | if it would be debian, it would be named debian, not solydx |
| 05:46.43 | gry | not because i hate solydxk. this is because any changes they made are hard to fix |
| 05:46.55 | dgriffi | when is mate 1.18 going to appear in sid? |
| 05:47.05 | gry | ryzokuken: if you encounter a bug, i won't be able to understand where it came from |
| 05:47.10 | towo^work | not before stretch is released |
| 05:47.17 | ryzokuken | hmm |
| 05:47.18 | gry | ryzokuken: please either ask their irc channel, or use the debian installers |
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| 05:48.02 | ryzokuken | gry: Let's say I want to install Debian with XFCE and make my hardware work. |
| 05:48.10 | ryzokuken | gry: Could you help me with that? |
| 05:48.31 | gry | ryzokuken: if you use the debian installer (not sylydxk), then someone here would be able to help you |
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| 05:48.52 | ryzokuken | gry: Alright, I will use debian installer then. Please guide me |
| 05:49.09 | towo^work | use the non-free image with firmware |
| 05:49.52 | towo^work | and btw, use a wired connection for installing debian |
| 05:50.03 | ryzokuken | towo^work: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 05:50.12 | ryzokuken | this one? |
| 05:50.38 | gry | ryzokuken: do you have an ethernet cable? it would be a little easier than using unofficial images (if you can) |
| 05:50.48 | ryzokuken | towo^work: Isn't there a live version available? It would be difficult to get connected over the wire. |
| 05:50.48 | gry | ryzokuken: failing that, see what towo^work said, it would work |
| 05:50.55 | towo^work | gry, they are notz realy unofficial |
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| 05:51.18 | ryzokuken | I could use USB tethering using my mobile. |
| 05:51.27 | dgriffi | ryzokuken: nice.... I was not previously aware of that |
| 05:51.27 | gry | ryzokuken: towo^work's url has live images, yes |
| 05:51.55 | dgriffi | ryzokuken: now I can get a laptop set up without needing wired ethernet |
| 05:52.00 | towo^work | but the live image do not support uefi |
| 05:52.08 | dgriffi | whoops! |
| 05:52.12 | dgriffi | there goes that idea |
| 05:52.24 | ryzokuken | towo^work: BIOS would be fine too. |
| 05:52.26 | dgriffi | goes back to the writable usb boot installer |
| 05:52.37 | ryzokuken | dgriffi: not sure if you're being sarcastic :P |
| 05:52.47 | dgriffi | ryzokuken: a little of both |
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| 05:53.28 | dgriffi | ryzokuken: I follow this procedure to make a writable usb installer: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 05:54.01 | dgriffi | ryzokuken: I put a standard ISO on there along with whatever firmware debs I need and it's all good. |
| 05:54.29 | ryzokuken | gry: given that USB drivers work fine, I could mimic a wired connection by tethering my phone. |
| 05:54.34 | ryzokuken | Hopefully, it will work. |
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| 05:55.15 | ryzokuken | But I remember that the last time I installed everything from Debian servers, it took me a lot of time. |
| 05:55.16 | dgriffi | ryzokuken: with a super-large-capacity thumb drive, I reformat it with ext4 and then I can put on a double-layered bluray image. |
| 05:55.37 | ryzokuken | Maybe the default mirrors don't work very well. |
| 05:55.56 | ryzokuken | dgriffi: My drive can only hold 16 gigabytes. |
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| 05:56.46 | dgriffi | then a dvd image should work for you. FAT32 is okay with that. |
| 05:56.59 | ryzokuken | towo^work: What's the difference between 8.8.0-live+nonfree/ and current-live/ ? |
| 05:57.18 | towo^work | current live is without firmware |
| 05:58.09 | ryzokuken | so I should use 8.8.0-live+nonfree, right? |
| 05:58.56 | ryzokuken | + I would need to use stretch |
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| 06:49.11 | bakrak | hello |
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| 06:51.30 | m00n_urn | hey |
| 06:51.41 | m00n_urn | anyone try compiling rtorrent on deb 8? |
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| 06:54.00 | Artemis3 | 0.9.2 not good enough? xD |
| 06:54.35 | jelly | m00n_urn: backporting its libtorrent and then rtorrent usually works, last tried it on wheezy but not recently |
| 06:55.22 | jelly | ,v rtorrent |
| 06:55.23 | judd | Package: rtorrent on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.2-1; wheezy: 0.9.2-1; stretch: 0.9.6-2+b1; sid: 0.9.6-2+b1 |
| 06:55.39 | jelly | ii rtorrent 0.9.6-3~0.jelly.1 amd64 ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent from rakshasa |
| 06:56.13 | jelly | apparently also did a backport for jessie and forgot about it |
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| 07:39.20 | newcoder | I have added my name in /etc/group with sudo |
| 07:39.26 | newcoder | yourname is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. still, why? |
| 07:39.46 | newcoder | I did usermod -aG sudo loginname |
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| 07:51.17 | strk | which package has the lsb_release command ? |
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| 07:51.31 | jelly | newcoder: have to log off and back on for the group membership to become active |
| 07:51.52 | newcoder | Can I make it active now? |
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| 07:52.07 | newcoder | without logoff |
| 07:52.19 | jelly | not in any current process |
| 07:52.48 | strk | certbot package on Debian 8.7 stable (Jessie) seems to be broken |
| 07:52.58 | jelly | newcoder: you can su to yourself, or login again via ssh, or maybe use newgrp |
| 07:53.01 | strk | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.07 | strk | known issue ? |
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| 07:53.50 | jelly | strk: bpo8 suggests it's not a jessie package but a jessie-backports one |
| 07:54.14 | jelly | !bat |
| 07:54.14 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 07:54.24 | jelly | strk: ^^ can you pastebin all the info |
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| 07:54.35 | strk | ah, indeed -t jessie-backports succeeds in installing cerbot |
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| 08:00.59 | Pepe | Hello guys. I downloaded multi arch iso for my PC (CPU Intel J1900) and I booted to UEFI through my flash drive (where I have installation) after succesful installation it won't boot. It still says reboot and select proper boot media |
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| 08:03.40 | Pepe | I tried first 64 bit installation and after that 32 bit installation, but no success. |
| 08:04.20 | Pepe | It's weird, when I will use legacy bios it works.. but I want uefi... |
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| 08:08.19 | momoaux | Hello, I'm currently trying to configure my touchscreen but don't know how to enable the desired behavior. |
| 08:08.25 | momoaux | Currently I have: touch=Mouse appears at touched spot. drag=mouse moves with finger drop=mouse stays at last touched spot |
| 08:08.34 | momoaux | I want: touch=Mouse appears at touched spot and click. drag=drag like with mouse pressed drop=drop at position |
| 08:08.42 | momoaux | So I have the touchpad behavior but I want to act like a mouse. |
| 08:08.42 | momoaux | Any hints on how to switch from touchpad to mouse behavior for my touchscreen :-) |
| 08:08.47 | momoaux | Just FYI: I need this for a big 42" touchscreen. The only purpose of this screen is to act as screen for https://github.com/kanboard/kanboard so I only need drag and drop for the cards. I'm using Asus TinkerBoard with Debian stretch. |
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| 08:10.08 | momoaux | I played around with tap-to-click but I don't think this is the right option for me |
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| 08:11.55 | momoaux | My starting point was https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad but I can't find a way to change it to the mouse behavior |
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| 08:14.15 | momoaux | googling for "debian touchpad like mouse" just leads me to thousands of problems with touchpads and mice but nothing like "how to change the behavior" |
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| 08:24.40 | momoaux | Maybe I can break down the question to: How to set "click on first touch" for a touchpad? :-) |
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| 08:28.30 | momoaux | Maybe getting closer: ftp://www.x.org/pub/X11R7.5/doc/man/man4/synaptics.4.html synclient |
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| 08:55.19 | RebelCoder | Hi guys. I need help with Permissions. I set a folder/sub folders permission like that: |
| 08:55.21 | RebelCoder | sudo chmod -R 777 /media/work/ |
| 08:55.59 | RebelCoder | And it does set the WRITE permissions. But all the new files and folders created in that dir after, still need this (sudo chmod -R 777 /media/work/) to be called |
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| 08:56.41 | RebelCoder | What is the way to permanently set Write perms to a folder and all the files and folder, crated in it after that, to pick up that perm ? |
| 08:56.44 | momoaux | check umask |
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| 08:57.19 | RebelCoder | How exactly ? |
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| 08:57.36 | momoaux | https://wiki.debian.org/Permissions#The_defaults_for_new_files_and_directories |
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| 09:01.09 | RebelCoder | Hmm.... that page is not very clear |
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| 09:02.31 | Pepe | Mine issue is not answered.. :P |
| 09:06.28 | colo-work | RebelCoder, how are new files and dirs in that directory created? |
| 09:06.42 | colo-work | (is there a network protocol for file serving/management involved?) |
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| 09:07.19 | momoaux | RebelCoder: maybe this helps a bit: https://serverfault.com/questions/349145/can-i-override-my-umask-using-acls-to-make-all-files-created-in-a-given-director |
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| 09:08.38 | RebelCoder | File are created by hand or synced from other PCs |
| 09:09.17 | colo-work | RebelCoder, so, directly on that machien, by users having access to an interactive shell? |
| 09:09.29 | RebelCoder | this is more of Sync problem.... |
| 09:09.32 | colo-work | if so, how many users are involved? do they share a group membership? |
| 09:09.40 | RebelCoder | when files are synced form other PCs, they are write-protected |
| 09:09.44 | colo-work | how are the files sycned? rsync, perhaps? |
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| 09:09.55 | RebelCoder | Even though I have set the whole fodler to pe write |
| 09:10.15 | RebelCoder | Just me. No other users |
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| 09:12.58 | colo-work | RebelCoder, and how do you "sync" files from other PCs? |
| 09:13.03 | colo-work | what program/tool do you use? |
| 09:13.14 | RebelCoder | BitTorrent sync |
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| 09:14.39 | colo-work | ok - I've never used that. does that protocol happen to have a notion of permission bits and file ownership? if yes, read up on how to make it ignore incoming permissions. if no, set your user's umask before invoking the utility. |
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| 09:15.04 | colo-work | (try `umask 0000; your-command-to-sync`) |
| 09:15.24 | RebelCoder | Ah... ok.. I will now |
| 09:15.40 | RebelCoder | I got the idea... |
| 09:16.51 | RebelCoder | I have enabled auto-start of this service like this: |
| 09:16.52 | RebelCoder | sudo systemctl enable resilio-sync |
| 09:17.15 | RebelCoder | How do I add umask to it though ? |
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| 09:18.49 | colo-work | RebelCoder, did you write the systemd service unit file yourself, or does that come with the package you installed the program from? |
| 09:20.14 | RebelCoder | I did not write it. It seems it has one... |
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| 09:22.47 | RebelCoder | I found it at : |
| 09:22.57 | RebelCoder | and it has a line |
| 09:23.02 | colo-work | RebelCoder, systemd units have a native "umask" property. you should create a drop-in extension for your service unit file that sets it to 0000. read https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.exec.html (umask property) |
| 09:23.05 | RebelCoder | ExecStart=/usr/bin/rslsync --config %h/.config/resilio-sync/config.json |
| 09:23.09 | RebelCoder | is that the one ? |
| 09:23.15 | colo-work | and also https://coreos.com/os/docs/latest/using-systemd-drop-in-units.html for the drop-in stuff |
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| 09:23.54 | colo-work | RebelCoder, yes, but you can't use the chain of commands I pasted earlier there, as this is not a shell command line. |
| 09:24.07 | RebelCoder | Ok... |
| 09:26.21 | colo-work | in a nutshell, what you want is: mkdir /etc/systemd/system/resilio-sync.service.d && printf '[Service]\nUmask=0000\n' > /etc/systemd/system/resilio-sync.service.d/umask.conf && systemctl daemon-reload |
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| 09:27.00 | colo-work | then check if systemctl cat resilio-sync.service displays the new umask value as you'd like it to |
| 09:27.03 | colo-work | and restart the service |
| 09:27.08 | colo-work | I _hope_ that should do it |
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| 09:30.35 | RebelCoder | colo-work, ok, thanks, will keep hacking |
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| 09:34.13 | bathman | hi |
| 09:34.39 | bathman | some odd problem: after an upgrade to debian 8, samba seems to react a bit differently |
| 09:35.23 | bathman | for an old xp machine, it is still possible to access samba shares using explorer (just typing etc) |
| 09:35.51 | bathman | but not for eg.: a link (target path) in a shortcut |
| 09:36.24 | bathman | anyone here know how to workaround this? |
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| 09:40.04 | petn-randall | bathman: Have you read up on the changes in samba between wheezy and jessie? |
| 09:40.07 | petn-randall | !release notes |
| 09:40.07 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <install guide>. |
| 09:40.36 | bathman | petn-randall: no, i haven't tbh |
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| 09:42.12 | petn-randall | bathman: I'd check in the release notes, and also in the NEWS file of samba. It's in /usr/share/doc/samba/NEWS(.gz). |
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| 09:42.24 | bathman | ok ty |
| 09:42.31 | petn-randall | bathman: You'll likely have to change a few settings to get your old behaviour back. |
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| 09:59.40 | bathman | thx petn-randall, working again |
| 10:01.03 | bathman | If a client requests that a file should be "opened for execution", Samba4 will require the executable bit to be set on the file in addition to the regular read permissions. This also causes "netlogon" scripts to be silently ignored if they lack this executable bit. |
| 10:01.14 | bathman | (end quote) |
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| 10:02.10 | bathman | so: chmod -R a+x /data/samba did the trick |
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| 10:05.16 | petn-randall | bathman: Sweet, glad you fix it. |
| 10:05.21 | petn-randall | *could |
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| 12:59.26 | hid3 | I am setting up a dummy RAID0 array of one disk (on HP Microserver Gen8). What stripe size should I choose? The disk is 8TB WD Purple, will be running Debian 9, devoted for various tasks (file server, media server,and other regular stuff), using XFS filesystem |
| 12:59.46 | hid3 | I have came accross this benchmark test: http://www.itechstorm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ATTO-Disk-Benchmark-WDC-WD80PUZX-64NEAY0.png To me it looks like 16K is optimal, isn't it? Or is this totally unrelated to stripe size? |
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| 13:01.50 | ForceRecon | back in the day we used 4k I think on Novell.. I would suggest you make the size based on the requirements of the server and what you feel are the file sizes that will be most common |
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| 13:02.10 | petemc | what is the point of dummy raid0 ? |
| 13:04.08 | hid3 | petemc, point of it is that the native controller requires for raid to be set up. It can be set to use "legacy AHCI mode" but it has known bugs in that mode |
| 13:04.22 | hid3 | the matter is that all files will vary.... |
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| 13:12.39 | Bert_2 | Hi, I run a very typical PAM+LDAP setup with posixAccount and shadowAccount, we use shadowExpire to expire accounts that haven't renewed (yet), now I can't seem to find how I can check through CLI whether an account has expired without using ldap_search. I presume there should be some regular or PAM command to do this. Can anyone help me out? |
| 13:12.53 | jelly | hid3: so it's really just "raid0" with a single device |
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| 13:28.04 | jelly | hid3: in the unlikely chance your system has a proper smartarray hw raid (not B* something), they are now starting to get separate firmware that expose disks directly |
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| 13:32.00 | jelly | Bert_2: no nss configured? Does "getent shadow user" work as root? |
| 13:32.45 | glaucom | hi, i need create live usb with persistence mode. install one aplication forever |
| 13:32.47 | momoaux | Anyone here who has an idea how to set "click on first touch" for a touchpad? I need drag and drop on a touchscreen that is handled like a touchpad on Debian 6 |
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| 13:44.04 | jelly | momoaux: debian 6? |
| 13:44.49 | momoaux | jelly: ups :-) debian 9 |
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| 13:45.02 | momoaux | stretch |
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| 13:45.43 | jelly | momoaux: consider asking in #xorg, they may have clues about weird(er) input devices |
| 13:45.48 | jelly | also, |
| 13:45.51 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 13:45.51 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:46.29 | momoaux | jelly: ok but I think its not really a stretch issue, more a common debian synaptic question |
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| 13:46.56 | jelly | do you know your device uses the synaptic driver? |
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| 13:47.34 | momoaux | oh, good question, I thought it but did not verify |
| 13:47.50 | jelly | momoaux: if it were really common, someone would have commented on it this morning when you first asked... |
| 13:47.58 | momoaux | kk |
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| 13:53.23 | nicechap | hi, I am running debian stretch, and was looking for smbtree tool, but apt-get install cannot find it... |
| 13:53.28 | nicechap | any idea how to install it? |
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| 13:54.14 | nicechap | I would like to detect all samba shares on my network... |
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| 13:56.57 | Mathisen | nicechap, smbclient |
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| 14:01.18 | nicechap | thanks so much Mathisen |
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| 14:23.04 | jhutchins_wk | !search |
| 14:23.04 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>. |
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| 14:29.32 | astephanh | is there an security advantage if i run the php-fpm master process not as root? if yes, wherer would i put the pid and socket files? |
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| 14:35.51 | ws2k3 | crontab -e and crontab -l. where are those files located? |
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| 14:38.25 | astephanh | ws2k3, /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
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| 14:39.27 | blackflow | astephanh: there is in that privilege escalation bugs are less likely (if possible at all) from that vector. you put pid and socket files wherever you want, say under /var/run/foo where foo is owned by the user running fpm |
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| 14:40.32 | astephanh | blackflow, how do i create a folder in /var/run, its tmpfs |
| 14:41.34 | blackflow | put them somewhere in a permanent location then |
| 14:41.46 | ws2k3 | astephanh i need to modify that cronfile on alot of servers. can i just use sed? |
| 14:42.01 | blackflow | or write a service that pre-creates the dirs before fpm is run |
| 14:42.37 | JohnA | I am having a problem installing nvidia drivers. "/boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-2-amd64 does not exist. Cannot update." what can/should I do about it? |
| 14:42.38 | blackflow | astephanh: btw, I think systemd unit files can be configured to precreate a directory |
| 14:43.17 | blackflow | astephanh: ah yes, RuntimeDirectory and RuntimeDirectoryMode |
| 14:43.19 | astephanh | ws2k3, i believe so. as far as i know, it is reread every minute. pssh and sed shout do the trick |
| 14:43.51 | ws2k3 | astephanh okay thanks |
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| 14:44.15 | astephanh | blackflow, oh, cool. convienent as i create a salt state for systemd anyway |
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| 14:45.26 | blackflow | JohnA: how's that possible? how are you installing nvidia drivers? the initrd image can be created running update-initramfs, but that step is automatic on package installations concerning initramfs |
| 14:45.42 | blackflow | JohnA: oh, is /boot mounted into a separate partition? |
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| 14:48.04 | JohnA | blackflow, no just root and home. |
| 14:48.54 | JohnA | the install is apt-get install nviidia-legacy-304.... |
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| 14:51.50 | reef | Hello all, i hae a probleme with a script running with nagios user... This script work fine when ron manualy. when i do "echo $HOME" i get nothing via Nagios gui even if i declare a valid shell for nagios user... |
| 14:52.18 | reef | any idea to solve the problem ? |
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| 14:53.36 | astephanh | reef, do you use parameter? you need to allow parameters explicitly |
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| 14:58.01 | reef | astephanh, yes i do. But the parameter "$1" is not a problem... i would like to get $HOME variable... |
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| 15:15.01 | aabz | Would btrfs be a better option than ext4 for a server? |
| 15:15.57 | teraflops | aabz: it depends on your needs |
| 15:16.07 | aabz | it's for a web server |
| 15:16.44 | teraflops | I'll rephrase: do you want any of the btrfs features¿ |
| 15:17.01 | aabz | snapshot |
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| 15:17.53 | teraflops | then go for it |
| 15:18.13 | teraflops | aabz: did you ask because you're not sure ho stable btrfs is? |
| 15:18.18 | teraflops | how* |
| 15:19.05 | aabz | yes |
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| 15:22.09 | teraflops | aabz: _I_ do btrfs in debian jessie production servers, you better pick a backported kernel and btrfs-progs though. stretch is fine I think |
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| 15:43.10 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: Actually, you only need to modify the file once, then copy it to all of the servers. |
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| 16:33.58 | Walakea | when i try to install Eclipse (from offical website) it says that i have Java 1.7 even though i installed openjdk-8 jdk & jre from backports, what's wrong? |
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| 16:36.38 | sebboh | I'm somewhat familiar with the package 'dialog'. But it doesn't seem to be installed on my current (sid) system. Was it replaced? |
| 16:36.52 | sebboh | (as a debconf front-end, I mean.) |
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| 16:40.01 | tristero | debconf depends on "whiptail | dialog", so a new install will get whiptail instead. But you can replace it with dialog if you prefer. |
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| 16:48.13 | jhutchins_wk | Walakea: It's possible you still have 1.7 installed and it's finding it on the path. |
| 16:48.59 | Walakea | most probably, since i am running jessie |
| 16:49.12 | Walakea | i thought it would somehow find the version 8 |
| 16:49.17 | greycat | I'd start with "type -a java" (in bash) and "java -version" |
| 16:49.48 | Walakea | yeah, 1.7 |
| 16:50.01 | greycat | If this isn't satisfactory, do a dpkg -L on the exact package name of the openjdk 8 thing and see where the java program really is. |
| 16:50.52 | Walakea | what is "java" linked to by default? openjdk-X-jre? |
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| 16:51.49 | greycat | Not sure what you're asking. On jessie, /usr/bin/java is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/java |
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| 16:54.35 | Walakea | probably found it |
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| 16:55.20 | Walakea | i bet replacing 1.7 with 1.8 is not a good idea on jessie |
| 16:55.48 | greycat | Changing the destination of /etc/alternatives/java is perfectly fine. Debian doesn't use Java internally for anything important. |
| 16:56.07 | greycat | You can also make /usr/local/bin/java point to wherever you want, and /usr/local/bin usually preceded /usr/bin in PATH. |
| 16:56.33 | Walakea | so if anything bad happened it would only cause some non-critical application problems? |
| 16:56.58 | greycat | It would only affect things which actually use java. Which is not anything fundamental in Debian (apt, dpkg, etc.) |
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| 16:59.21 | Walakea | ok, i will put it to /usr/local/bin, can i use hardlinks or symlink interchangeably? |
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| 17:00.50 | Walakea | also, i am not sure if i should put the whole contents of openjdk folder in there |
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| 17:06.24 | Walakea | ok, that did't help much, now i am getting even more cryptic error messages |
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| 17:15.02 | AlexPortable | There is some vague connection in netstat, how can I find out what causes this? |
| 17:15.25 | TomasCZ | AlexPortable, did you use -p ? |
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| 17:16.12 | AlexPortable | TomasCZ: yes |
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| 17:16.24 | AlexPortable | PID/program name: - |
| 17:16.37 | Neo | hey everyone, I have a debian install on slow-ish flash media, is there a way to copy my rootfs to ram and a-sync changes to the flash? |
| 17:16.38 | TomasCZ | AlexPortable, run as root or user? |
| 17:16.54 | AlexPortable | ah thanks now i got it |
| 17:17.30 | Neo | lsof -ni -p |
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| 17:22.59 | hid3 | Is there any way to specify additional options for mkfs, which runs during Debian installation? I am running the installation in expert mode |
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| 17:31.22 | quietone | ?pastebin |
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| 17:31.41 | greycat | http://paste.debian.net/ preferred |
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| 17:33.16 | quietone | vlc won't install, http://paste.debian.net/931835/ |
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| 17:33.34 | quietone | On jessie, with backports |
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| 17:34.34 | somiaj | quietone: did you install mesa from backports at any time? |
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| 17:34.58 | quietone | I have no idea. I don't know what it is. |
| 17:35.15 | n4dir | go to the page of debian backports and use the command told there. Does that work? |
| 17:35.33 | n4dir | apt-get install -t yada-backports <package> ; or such |
| 17:35.53 | somiaj | quietone: output of 'apt-cache policy', 'apt-cache policy vlc libgles1-mesa libgles2-mesa' |
| 17:36.05 | jhutchins_wk | Neo: Check out http://pendrivelinux.com - they have lots of advice for USB/Disk live systems. |
| 17:36.21 | j-r | leave |
| 17:36.22 | somiaj | also the error you have held broken packages might be something on your system keeping this from installing. |
| 17:36.29 | j-r | window 5 |
| 17:36.30 | j-r | ls |
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| 17:45.43 | quietone | somiaj, if I understand the output llibgles*-mesa will install from backports but vlc from main. |
| 17:48.41 | Pepe | Guys at 10:00 I posted here my issue with uefi installation, but no one helped me.. Is that normal behaviour ? |
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| 17:49.14 | greycat | If you get no response after, say, 20-30 minutes then it's OK to ask again. |
| 17:49.37 | greycat | Different people will have different thresholds for how often they're willing to let you repeat a question, so use common sense. |
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| 17:50.18 | Neo | jhutchins_wk: that would be great if I had started there :P |
| 17:50.25 | quietone | so does @n4dir suggestion make sense, to install vlc from backports, when backports isn't listed in the policy for vlc? |
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| 17:50.51 | n4dir | i misunderstood the problem, btw. |
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| 17:58.12 | Pepe | So I have Bay Trail CPU [Intel J1900]. I downloaded multi-arch iso , bcs it is stated on wiki page for uefi. I tried 32 bit and 64bit installation, but after installation it says insert proper boot media. When I tried Uefi installation and I didnt force uefi installation and installatedgrub, which works, but I still dont have uefi. I dont know whats wrong with it. I checked manz times that I have disabled |
| 17:58.14 | Pepe | secure boot, fast boot and was plazing with CSM support, but same |
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| 18:11.24 | quietone | or I am just stuck without vlc? |
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| 18:12.23 | quietone | or how to fix 'GStreamer encountered a general stream error.' on .flv and .mp4 |
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| 18:27.18 | ryzokuken | Hey people! |
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| 18:27.37 | ryzokuken | I am unable to install debian using live USB |
| 18:27.41 | ryzokuken | People help me. |
| 18:28.47 | ryzokuken | Anyone? |
| 18:29.20 | greycat | !uefi live |
| 18:29.20 | dpkg | Currently, UEFI support exists only in Debian's installation images. The accompanying live images do not have support for UEFI boot. <https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI> |
| 18:30.06 | ryzokuken | I'm booting using legacy mode, not UEFI |
| 18:30.36 | SwedeMike | ryzokuken: then you can start by supplying facts, what are you trying, what doesn't work etc. That was one important piece of information for instance. |
| 18:31.12 | greycat | Thd debian live images are just notoriously bad for installations, but you definitely need to at least say what the problem is. |
| 18:31.36 | ryzokuken | I'm trying to boot Debian live XFCE |
| 18:32.01 | ryzokuken | It gives a error. It says that no kernel modules were found. |
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| 18:32.31 | ryzokuken | This is probably because of a mismatch between the kernels |
| 18:32.42 | ryzokuken | Archive and the installer kernels. |
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| 18:33.28 | ryzokuken | It's looking for them in a CD, I am using a USB drive. |
| 18:33.34 | ryzokuken | Any ideas? |
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| 18:34.09 | greycat | Does "Use an installer image, not a live image" count as an idea? |
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| 18:34.34 | ryzokuken | It would be difficult to fetch everything during installation. |
| 18:34.54 | ryzokuken | I needed a little more offline approach |
| 18:35.03 | ryzokuken | That's why I chose live |
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| 18:35.23 | greycat | Instead of "install full DVD #1" |
| 18:35.34 | greycat | or whatever the labels on the non-netinst things are |
| 18:35.50 | Bert_2 | Hi, I run a very typical PAM+LDAP setup with posixAccount and shadowAccount, we use shadowExpire to expire accounts that haven't renewed (yet), now I can't seem to find how I can check through CLI whether an account has expired without using ldap_search. I presume there should be some regular or PAM command to do this. Can anyone help me out? |
| 18:35.57 | ryzokuken | I'll also need nonfree firmware |
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| 18:36.11 | ryzokuken | greycat: could you help me find a more appropriate image? |
| 18:36.23 | greycat | !firmware images |
| 18:36.23 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. From Debian 9 "Stretch", DVD1+firmware is also available. |
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| 18:36.59 | ryzokuken | So I download DVD 1 and put it in a USB drive and install? |
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| 18:38.13 | ryzokuken | greycat: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 18:38.20 | ryzokuken | This image is appropriate? |
| 18:38.33 | ryzokuken | I need debian testing |
| 18:38.51 | greycat | Ask OFTC #debian-next where this "DVD1+firmware" is hiding. |
| 18:39.07 | ryzokuken | I don't get it, sorry. |
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| 18:40.26 | jolt | Bert_2: You mean like chage -l <user>? |
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| 18:46.19 | M4GNV5 | why is flightgear in security? :O |
| 18:46.36 | AlexPortable | it's safe |
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| 18:46.51 | somiaj | read the DSA, CVE or bugreport that goes with it |
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| 18:48.32 | somiaj | hmm, can't seem to find a DSA for this |
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| 18:48.56 | somiaj | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=848114 |
| 18:48.57 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/848114 in src:flightgear (closed, fixed-upstream, patch, security, upstream): «flightgear: CVE-2016-9956: Allows the route manager to overwrite arbitrary files»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-12-14; last modified: 2017-01-26. |
| 18:49.32 | greycat | ,info flightgear |
| 18:49.33 | judd | Package flightgear (games, extra) in jessie/amd64: Flight Gear Flight Simulator. Version: 3.0.0-5; Size: 3846.7k; Installed: 16035k; Homepage: http://www.flightgear.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/flightgear |
| 18:49.45 | greycat | Does it run setuid root or something? |
| 18:49.57 | M4GNV5 | lul, its a flight simulator |
| 18:50.06 | somiaj | maybe, unsure on the details. Just surprised I couldn't find info on this on the package tracker or dsa list |
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| 18:50.33 | M4GNV5 | from what i understand from https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3742.en.html i assume it had a bug allowing scripts to break out of the game sandbox or smth |
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| 18:50.45 | somiaj | M4GNV5: read the bugreport |
| 18:51.16 | M4GNV5 | yeah well "The route manager in FlightGear before 2016.4.4 allows remote attackers to write to arbitrary files via a crafted Nasal script." as i said |
| 18:51.21 | somiaj | ahh there is the DSA, bug report confused me as it was dated 2017, not 2016 |
| 18:51.25 | M4GNV5 | ty for the info |
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| 18:51.43 | M4GNV5 | is there like a search thing for DSA/CVE's? |
| 18:52.11 | somiaj | There is an archive I found on the debian.org |
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| 18:52.26 | somiaj | hmm, wonder why this didn't get included in the point release 8.7 or 8.8 |
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| 18:55.14 | quietone | Is there anything I can do to install vlc? |
| 18:55.32 | Atomic | think vlc is on sourceforge |
| 18:55.48 | M4GNV5 | quietone, apt install vlc? |
| 18:55.48 | greycat | ,v vlc |
| 18:55.49 | judd | Package: vlc on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy-security: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy-backports: 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 2.2.4-1~deb8u1; jessie: 2.2.5-1~deb8u1; sid: 2.2.5-1; stretch: 2.2.5-1; experimental: 2.2.5-4; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo3+deb7u1; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.2.1-dmo3+deb8u1; sid-multimedia: 1:2.2.4-dmo16 |
| 18:55.50 | Atomic | I have it on mine, forgot where i got it though |
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| 19:00.42 | quietone | M4GNV5, http://paste.debian.net/931835/ |
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| 19:02.39 | Atomic | uhoh, broken dependancies |
| 19:03.20 | Atomic | isn't there a command for that, `apt-get -f` or something? |
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| 19:05.53 | somiaj | apt-get -f will try to fix things, but only works if things are fixable in a way it can figure out |
| 19:06.20 | somiaj | quietone: didn't I ask you for some very speicifc output earlier, can you get that output to me? |
| 19:06.33 | n4dir | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.04 | n4dir | sources.list won't hurt either, etc. in short: more info |
| 19:07.22 | somiaj | it won't but apt-cache policy will give the info from it |
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| 19:07.40 | somiaj | and anything also included in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
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| 19:10.54 | n4dir | k, i didn't know that "apt-cache policy " will give that info. Hardly ever had to use it. |
| 19:11.14 | quietone | somiaj, yes, I thought I did post it. Sorry. here you go |
| 19:11.16 | quietone | http://paste.debian.net/931867/ |
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| 19:12.05 | somiaj | apt-cache policy is missing from that output |
| 19:12.53 | somiaj | note in your sources.list, you don't need a seperate line for non-free, just change 'main' to 'main non-free' or better 'main contrib non-free' on your regurlar souces. You should do this for all of them so you also get security updates for non-free and maybe backports |
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| 19:13.23 | somiaj | this way you also don't need /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ftp_nz_debian_org_debian.list |
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| 19:13.56 | somiaj | but enough of that, I dno't see anythign obvious causing the problem. Your error is you have held broken package, can you give the output of 'apt-get -f install' and 'apt-get upgrade' -- see if any packages are indeed held back. |
| 19:13.56 | hid3 | I have installed Debian on a 8 TB drive. Once the setup has completed and PC rebooted, I am unable to boot to the new OS. Sya sboot disk not found, etc.. I suspect this has to do with the large HDD. That EFi thing or so.. Any hints for a workaround or a fix? I have booted to Rescue mode from the isntallation CD, mounted the root file system and all seems to be okay there |
| 19:14.31 | somiaj | hid3: provided you are using a gtp partition table with efi you should be fine on the size. |
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| 19:14.45 | somiaj | If using legacy boot and put grub on the mbr, you may have troubles. Are you positive you are using efi boot |
| 19:14.48 | hid3 | how do I find out if I'm using GPT? |
| 19:15.06 | somiaj | did you partition the disk when you installed? it would have used gtp for efi and mbr for elgacy |
| 19:15.18 | quietone | somiaj, I see the policy output on line 2 and 12 |
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| 19:15.41 | hid3 | Yes, I did partition the disk, as it is brand new. I think it installed the boot code into MBR |
| 19:16.30 | hid3 | I have mounted the root partition so can check the grub.cfg. Any particular lines I should seek for? |
| 19:16.52 | somiaj | quietone: that is not the output of 'apt-cache policy' that is the output of 'apt-cache policy packagename' |
| 19:16.55 | somiaj | I asked for both |
| 19:17.12 | somiaj | hid3: check if grub-efi or grub-pc is installed |
| 19:19.00 | quietone | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/931871/ |
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| 19:19.41 | hid3 | grub-pc is installed |
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| 19:20.14 | hid3 | should I install grub-efi? |
| 19:20.26 | Violinist | ya |
| 19:20.47 | Violinist | ur late to the party |
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| 19:21.05 | somiaj | hid3: no, you did the install in legacy mode, thus you are using mbr partition table which might be to big for the disk you have (2-3 TB limit) |
| 19:21.24 | somiaj | hid3: you most likely want to reinstall in EFI mode so you can use GTP parititon tables if possible. Using GTP with mbr(legacy) boot can be a pain. |
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| 19:22.04 | Violinist | its GPT i think |
| 19:22.12 | hid3 | somiaj: so what steps should I take? I didn't have any choice during the setup which mode to use, EFI or legacy.. How do I enforece EFI? |
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| 19:22.51 | rocket_man | boot using efi, it's in BIOS settings |
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| 19:23.07 | hid3 | alright, will check it in BIOS |
| 19:23.08 | BanHammor | heya. |
| 19:23.08 | Violinist | u need install refit |
| 19:23.17 | Violinist | put refit on usb and boot from that |
| 19:23.24 | somiaj | hid3: what install image did yo uuse? |
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| 19:23.43 | BanHammor | quick question: can you debootstrap into a foreign architecture, like x86 to MIPS? |
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| 19:23.59 | hid3 | I did use the latest build for Testing CD |
| 19:24.07 | hid3 | so it's Debian 9 |
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| 19:24.18 | somiaj | BanHammor: you have to use qemu-static or something like that to run anything in that arc |
| 19:24.28 | somiaj | BanHammor: but I belive you can copy the files into it with out that |
| 19:24.38 | somiaj | hid3: so you used the netinstall? cd1? the live image? |
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| 19:25.03 | hid3 | somiaj: yes, it's netinst |
| 19:25.12 | Violinist | hid before u install anything u need to make sure ur in efi mode |
| 19:25.25 | missmbob | it wasnt live? you're absolutely sure? |
| 19:25.28 | somiaj | hid3: in that case, the net intsall can boot both legacy and efi, you need to configure your firmware to boot efi. |
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| 19:25.41 | jhutchins_wk | Violinist: That is not a Debian solution, grub works just fine. |
| 19:25.47 | teraflops | BanHammor: yes you can |
| 19:26.01 | Violinist | from the bios boot menu u should see efi and non efi |
| 19:26.08 | BanHammor | teraflops, how do the post-install scripts work? |
| 19:26.22 | hid3 | now checked the BIOS, and there are no settings related to EFI.... |
| 19:26.32 | Violinist | then u dont have it |
| 19:26.47 | missmbob | that makes sense now |
| 19:26.57 | rocket_man | hmmm. . . usually it has one like [EFI|Legacy Bios] |
| 19:26.59 | somiaj | BanHammor: I think debootstrap uses the host to copy the files so it won't run any binaries for the forign arch. But if you need to chroot into it you'll need something like qemu-static so you can run the forign arch. |
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| 19:27.23 | somiaj | hid3: if you see a legacy boot you can disable it usually, and keep secure boot disabled. |
| 19:27.41 | teraflops | BanHammor: https://wiki.debian.org/EmDebian/CrossDebootstrap#QEMU.2Fdebootstrap_approach |
| 19:27.47 | somiaj | if you can't figure out how to boot efi, you cannot use a single parittion on that 8TB drive, and will hvae to limit partitions to 2TB |
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| 19:28.23 | hid3 | oh, forgot to mention that my root partition is 20 GB, not entire 8 TB, if that matters |
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| 19:30.17 | somiaj | hid3: what about the rest of the partitions? |
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| 19:31.00 | hid3 | 1 GB swap, 200 GB another partition (selected it to mount as /data during installation) and the final partition is the rest of space (7+ TB) |
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| 19:31.50 | somiaj | fdisk -l /dev/whatever (does this list your partitions or give you an error about gtp partitions)? |
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| 19:33.54 | hid3 | hold on, need to check, as I've already rebooted |
| 19:35.58 | Bert_2 | jolt: yes, I do, like chage -l, I don't understand why chage checks the shadow file instead of asking PAM anyway |
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| 19:37.15 | jolt | Bert_2: That I don't know. Sounds like something is missing with pam or nsswitch |
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| 19:40.33 | hid3 | somiaj: looks like it booted itself. I entered the native raid configuration and messed up there a bit. It isn't a raid, but rather a dummy "raid0" of a single disk. I've set it as a boot device and not booted successfully into the system |
| 19:41.23 | hid3 | I did fdisk -l /dev/sda, it lists all the partitions correctly. There is a line like this: "Disklabel type: gpt" |
| 19:42.00 | hid3 | it also seems to have 1 M partition, type set to "BIOS boot" |
| 19:42.17 | hid3 | so all things considered, which groub package should I have? grub-pc or grub-efi? |
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| 19:42.21 | somiaj | yea you ar eusing a gtp partition table in legacy mode |
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| 19:42.37 | somiaj | grub-pc, since you are booting leagacy, seems the installer set up the mbr partition for you |
| 19:42.46 | hid3 | unfortunately there isn't a setting in BIOS to switch... |
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| 19:43.30 | hid3 | alright, grub-pc is in place |
| 19:43.56 | somiaj | your machine might not support efi boot |
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| 19:45.18 | hid3 | well, shouldn't care much then.. I'd be happy if it would boot and see the entire disk capacity... |
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| 19:46.14 | somiaj | hid3: I thought you said it did boot? Sure it isn't an issue with your raid? |
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| 19:46.42 | teraflops | hid3: you can use gpt with mbr though |
| 19:47.06 | teraflops | not sure it's supported by the installer |
| 19:47.12 | somiaj | yea seem the installer set that up already, has the mbr bios partition, so maybe the issue is reading /boot |
| 19:47.39 | hid3 | yep, it did boot. Might have been that was some raid issue. Fingers crossed it's now gone... |
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| 19:49.10 | BanHammor | wow debootstrap sure seems like a lot of work. Is there a ready-made rootfs tarball i could download? :) |
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| 19:50.54 | somiaj | debootstrap isn't to much work, running binaries for a forign arch requires extra steps with qemu |
| 19:51.29 | BanHammor | yeah, but that requires a host debian, which i don't have. |
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| 19:52.11 | somiaj | are you sure you need a debian host, debootstrap is a script which runs on other hosts just fine |
| 19:52.43 | BanHammor | qemu-static doesn't. |
| 19:53.02 | somiaj | can't you get qemu-static on your system? |
| 19:53.28 | somiaj | you'll need some sort of emulation for a forign host |
| 19:53.33 | somiaj | arg forign arch |
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| 19:53.40 | hid3 | Alright, another question, more system related. How do I list currect diversions in dpkg? And how do I create a new one? |
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| 19:54.07 | somiaj | man dpkg-divert |
| 19:54.24 | somiaj | hid3: why are you needing to do this? |
| 19:54.27 | hid3 | oh, great. I was looking straightly in dpkg options.. |
| 19:54.58 | hid3 | somiaj: I installed pbzip2 and pigz packages to utilize all the CPUs. Now need to create diversions for /bin/gzip and bin/bzip2 |
| 19:55.31 | somiaj | so you want gzip to use pbzip2 instead? I would be careful when doing stuff like that to core binaries |
| 19:55.45 | hid3 | No! |
| 19:55.57 | teraflops | BanHammor: it does not require a debian host |
| 19:55.59 | hid3 | I want gzip use pigz (pigzee) and bzip2 to use pbzip2 |
| 19:56.16 | hid3 | those are multi-core versions of the tools, I have set that up on all my systems, nothing wrong with it |
| 19:56.44 | somiaj | hid3: oh, either way, sounds like what you want is the alternative setup, but I personally woudn't suggest replace core stuff like that, if pigzee uses different command line flags you could break system scripts that use gzip |
| 19:57.14 | hid3 | well, it was designed with that in mind, all the options and etc are the same for pigz, as well as gzip |
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| 19:57.28 | teraflops | BanHammor: I do deboosttrap with the archlinux iso ^ |
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| 19:57.58 | BanHammor | teraflops, and your target arch is...? |
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| 19:58.32 | somiaj | BanHammor: what host are you using? Is qemu avaiable for it? |
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| 20:00.18 | BanHammor | i'm using centos7. QEMU is available, but it seems to be dynamically linked, which is a hassle in chroot |
| 20:00.18 | gry | which package do i dpkg-reconfigure if i would like to change how bash history is saved? more lines to save, and no repeating -- all this by dpkg-reconfigure not by setting env variables by hand |
| 20:00.19 | inthl | I am running 3.16.0-4-amd64 and I have an issue with ipv6. the system has an IPv6 address with global scope and responds to it, but executing ip6tables fails, any command gives the error modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'ip6_tables': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg), ip6tables v1.4.21: can't initialize ip6tables table `filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) |
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| 20:00.36 | gry | BanHammor: what does centos have to do with this channel? |
| 20:00.55 | inthl | any ideas how to fix this? modprobe ip6_tables gives: modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'ip6_tables': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 20:01.10 | teraflops | BanHammor: whatever, e.g armv7l |
| 20:01.17 | greycat | gry: there is no package-level configuration of bash's internal history variables. You do it in your ~/.bashrc file. |
| 20:01.18 | somiaj | BanHammor: You may have to look at centos support and see about how to have something simlar to qemu-static, or even install qemu and do an install in a VM. |
| 20:01.26 | gry | greycat: ok |
| 20:01.30 | jmcnaught | inthl: have your kernel been upgraded but you forgot to reboot? |
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| 20:01.42 | gry | greycat: would it be possible to add it on package level or there is a barrier? |
| 20:01.55 | teraflops | BanHammor: or grab the binary by hand |
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| 20:02.01 | somiaj | gry: or in the system bash files /etc/bashrc (I belive) if you want to affect the whole system |
| 20:02.09 | teraflops | BanHammor: that's what I do |
| 20:02.16 | somiaj | gry: also pay attention to the differnce between login(1) shells and not so /etc/profile too maybe. |
| 20:02.25 | gry | somiaj: thanks! |
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| 20:02.36 | inthl | jmcnaught, that may be the case. the system is online for over 2 years lol |
| 20:02.52 | BanHammor | gry, i'm making a debian rootfs image from a foreign arch |
| 20:02.54 | inthl | so this is likely the cause? can I init that without rebooting perhaps? |
| 20:03.20 | somiaj | gry: I personally don't see why having a debconf option for this would be helpful. Enviorment variables are just fine for this, and just configure the system so they are included in the enviorments that are needed |
| 20:04.28 | BanHammor | somiaj, i mean, it can be done, but i think i'll just skip the hassle and either spin up a debian on x86 and go from there or generate the rootfs from target hardware. |
| 20:04.46 | jmcnaught | inthl: that's the first thing i would check. you are supposed to reboot for kernel upgrades âº. You could also check /etc/modprobe.d to see if some invalid parameters are being used |
| 20:04.49 | teraflops | BanHammor: what a bout a VM? |
| 20:05.20 | greycat | Technically, bash history is controlled by internal BASH* variable, which are not usually exported through the environment. |
| 20:05.32 | BanHammor | last question and i'm going home: does debootstrap attempt to put a kernel into the root filesystem? |
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| 20:05.52 | somiaj | BanHammor: you could deboostrap a debian chroot, and then install qemu-statci that way and continue on. forign arch is just a pain. |
| 20:05.54 | greycat | People get so incredibly WORKED UP about bash history, and my wiki has FAQ page(s) for it, but I personally don't even care enough to learn the names of all the history variables. |
| 20:05.57 | somiaj | BanHammor: no |
| 20:06.30 | greycat | Other people write those pages. |
| 20:06.51 | somiaj | BanHammor: you would hav eto manually install the kernel and a bootloader (or make it bootable) after debootstrap makes the minimial chroot |
| 20:07.03 | hid3 | How to change the default scheduler to deadline system-wide? I guess need to append elevator=deadline to boot command but just checking... |
| 20:07.08 | BanHammor | that's exactly what i need tbh |
| 20:07.21 | somiaj | hid3: I belive so, either modify the boot options or compile a custom kernel. |
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| 20:07.31 | BanHammor | thank you, somiaj, i'll go do my magic tomorrow |
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| 20:07.44 | BanHammor | ~bye~ |
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| 20:09.26 | hid3 | I think I'm already done with custom kernels. I have been doing custom kernels for each system since 2003. Now the systems are too complex for me to be able to build a slim but efficient kernel.. |
| 20:10.19 | greycat | I stopped doing custom kernel around Linux 2.6.0 |
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| 20:11.09 | somiaj | hid3: I think boot parameters should work, I haven't attempted this though. |
| 20:11.19 | hid3 | will try in short time |
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| 20:11.49 | hid3 | greycat, 2.6.3 was my first custom kernel. As I've never done 2.4 kernel and folks here suggested waiting for 2.6 as it was much easier |
| 20:11.57 | somiaj | I think /etc/default/grub is still a good place to append such options to the command line |
| 20:12.09 | hid3 | oh, recall trying to do some 2.4 kernels. None booted |
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| 20:12.40 | hid3 | yep. added to /etc/default/grub. Also added panic=10 there. No idea why such important things aren't offered by default |
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| 20:16.01 | hid3 | yep, just rebooted the system and... a) it boots normally b) default scheduler is deadline |
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| 20:17.59 | hid3 | clean system uses 860 MB of disk space. I recall woody used ~190 or so... |
| 20:18.32 | greycat | 15 years from woody to stretch (assuming a release in 2017) |
| 20:19.25 | somiaj | as a percent of a standard harddrive it has gone down though. |
| 20:20.49 | greycat | Which packages constitute a "clean system" in this comparison? Just Standard? |
| 20:21.03 | hid3 | yep. |
| 20:21.12 | hid3 | "standart utilities" and "ssh server" were selected |
| 20:21.13 | jolt | X or not? |
| 20:21.17 | hid3 | nope |
| 20:21.33 | hid3 | Debian 9 release will be in weeks, if not days |
| 20:21.42 | hid3 | maybe even upcomming weekend, as they like |
| 20:21.52 | hid3 | because the number of rc bugs is small |
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| 20:23.05 | Kobaz | noooo |
| 20:23.07 | somiaj | hid3: days unlikely, last I checked still 150is rc bugs |
| 20:23.15 | Kobaz | ii didn't notice, when i did apt-get install remmina |
| 20:23.17 | somiaj | 129 now |
| 20:23.18 | Kobaz | it's removing my sysvinit |
| 20:23.41 | hid3 | it never goes down to zero, I think |
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| 20:24.03 | hid3 | it's time to get rid of sysvinit :) |
| 20:24.09 | Kobaz | no, it's not |
| 20:24.23 | hid3 | personally I don't like systemd (too), as I'm not familiar with it, but such is life, you need to adapt... |
| 20:24.36 | Kobaz | no i don't need to adapt, if i don't want it |
| 20:24.42 | Kobaz | if i have to switch to devuan i will |
| 20:25.43 | somiaj | just be careful when you install things, although debian supports both init systems, jessie was the first release to do so and it may have some issues |
| 20:26.02 | somiaj | Kobaz: you have systemd-shim installed? |
| 20:26.02 | Kobaz | it looks like the newest remmina requires sytemd |
| 20:26.15 | Kobaz | yeah i do, and apt-get install remmina removed it |
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| 20:27.09 | somiaj | I don't see an explicit depend in remmina, it might be hiding in one of its depends, you may have to track down the issue |
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| 20:27.40 | somiaj | Kobaz: this jessie? stretch? -- notices the time, sorry gotta go |
| 20:27.49 | Kobaz | testing |
| 20:28.00 | hid3 | How do I check a link status for a device which is not configured? mii-tool, apart the fact that became useless, now says "Resource temporarily unavailable" for unconfigured devices... |
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| 20:28.20 | hid3 | ethernet device, obviously |
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| 20:29.13 | Kobaz | remmina started crashing on startup, so i figured it was time to upgrade |
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| 20:30.39 | epsilon | question about latest update to 8.8, is there any known compatibility problem with pfSense as KVM guest? |
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| 20:32.57 | Kobaz | # apt-get remove libpam-systemd systemd-sysv The following packages will be REMOVED: hplip k3b libpam-systemd policykit-1 printer-driver-postscript-hp systemd-sysv udisks2 |
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| 20:33.19 | Kobaz | so should i file a bug report on unnecessary dependencies on systemd? |
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| 20:33.44 | quietone | my usb drive, is now mounting read only. How do I fix that? |
| 20:33.56 | Kobaz | does it have errors? what's the filesystme? |
| 20:34.05 | jolt | hid3: is ethtool equally bad? |
| 20:34.53 | hid3 | need to give it a try... Never used before |
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| 20:35.00 | jolt | hid3: ethtool <dev> |
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| 20:35.55 | jolt | hid3: or possibly ip link |
| 20:36.06 | jolt | I don't have a system with an unconnected device to check with |
| 20:36.11 | Kobaz | what i can probably do is remove those packages for now, put in a fake systemd package, and then install them back again |
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| 20:36.58 | Kobaz | that's what i thought systemd-shim was for anyway |
| 20:37.30 | greycat | As far as I know, stretch-with-sysvinit is still supported, though I have not attempted it. |
| 20:37.35 | hid3 | hm.. ip link shows '<NO-CARRIER' for unconnected devices... It's getting like FreeBSD! |
| 20:38.24 | jolt | hid3: Not sure how much stuff is handled in the drvier vs hardware these days either. Maybe they need to be configured to have proper power etc. Can't help you there |
| 20:38.51 | hid3 | well, I have enough info on this now, thanks! |
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| 20:40.43 | wabbits | how do I launch a process with realtime priority? |
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| 20:42.05 | quietone | I just wrote some files on it, used it on another debian jessie machine. and now back on my main laptop, it is read only. |
| 20:42.09 | quietone | what is going on here? |
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| 20:45.19 | bit1 | quietone, hello, may be you should check you filesystem (fsck /dev/sd??? ) |
| 20:45.44 | quietone | bit1, check it for what? |
| 20:46.45 | greycat | man fsck |
| 20:47.09 | greycat | I'm not saying that'll fix whatever the problem is, but it's something you must understand. |
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| 20:50.55 | jolt | wabbits: well, you can at least use nice --10 <program> to get the highest priority |
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| 20:51.19 | wabbits | jolt thanks but is that the same as realtime? |
| 20:51.27 | jolt | wabbits: (or use renice if it's already running). |
| 20:51.32 | altyr | wabbits: actual RT requires you to have the RT kernel installed, which is overkill in most cases |
| 20:51.52 | jolt | wabbits: You need the RT kernel for that, and maybe altyr knows more about that |
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| 20:52.20 | wabbits | altyr assume I have the required prerequisites |
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| 20:53.36 | altyr | wabbits: try using chrt to launch the program |
| 20:53.54 | altyr | i haven't used much myself |
| 20:53.59 | altyr | +it |
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| 20:54.54 | esaym153 | I need to rsync a live host over to a new box, I'd normally do "telinit 1" first and then rsync via ssh. But how do I do that with systemd? Doesn't "systemctl rescue" just kill everything (and thus I wouldn't be able to ssh back to it for rsync)? |
| 20:55.48 | esaym153 | hmm, or I guess I would boot into single user mode and start ssh that way perhaps.. |
| 20:55.53 | esaym153 | seem ghetto though |
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| 20:56.29 | jolt | esaym153: single user and rsync from the singleuser box instead? |
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| 20:57.56 | wabbits | altyr thanks |
| 20:58.14 | wabbits | jolt too |
| 21:00.52 | altyr | np |
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| 21:04.40 | ryouma | esaym153: asking because i want to know, not because i can help you, but is rsyncing a live, moving-target version basically unsafe most of hte time, or just unsafe sometimes? |
| 21:05.29 | greycat | It's "unsafe" in the same way that making a backup is unsafe, if there are running processes and open files and databases and who-knows-what that might be modified during the operation. |
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| 21:06.09 | greycat | You'd want to do whatever it is you do when you make full backups. Make an LVM snapshot, or use zfs/btrfs voodoo, or bring down the database and applications, or whatever. |
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| 21:07.35 | ryouma | esaym153: my problem is more, getting debian's initrd and grub fanciness to work properly after rsyncing |
| 21:07.52 | ryouma | like, if i do it to an internal disk |
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| 21:09.09 | esaym153 | ryouma: sorta, depends on how you do it. Not really good to copy a live host to a completely blank hard drive. In my case, I have a freshly installed Jessie instance on a new machine. One should be able to easily mount the target drive from the non running OS and then rsync the old (and still live) host to it. Minus /dev /sys of course |
| 21:09.45 | imattxc | is it bad to try and run the thel graphics update tool on debian? I installed it on stretch (getting half fps I was on jessie) and when I try to run I get segfault.. |
| 21:09.52 | esaym153 | ryouma: so putting the old live host into a single user mode so less stuff is changing files would be desirable in this case |
| 21:11.57 | ryouma | esaym153: i just do xdev to get rid of /sys etc |
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| 21:13.51 | esaym153 | ryouma: "xdev"? is that a command or you mean rsync --exclude '/dev'? |
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| 21:14.28 | greycat | rsync --one-file-system probably |
| 21:14.42 | ryouma | esaym153: --one-file-system don't cross filesystem boundaries |
| 21:14.50 | greycat | find spells it -xdev |
| 21:16.01 | esaym153 | ryouma: Never knew about that option, sweet! |
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| 21:17.11 | ryouma | but upgrading debian raises the stress level for this stuff, because it is not at all clear that it isn't trying to be too fancy with debconf or something and getting all that initrd or grub stuff wrong. (has happened to me that it has gotten it wrong upon something like a kernel upgrade. ther eis some debconf assumption that you have to reverse or something.) |
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| 21:33.41 | AlexPortable | What's the difference between security support and long term support? |
| 21:34.21 | jrtc27 | long-term support lasts longer and only covers a subset of the architectures and packages |
| 21:34.24 | jrtc27 | !lts |
| 21:34.24 | missmbob | long term only supports most commonly used server packages |
| 21:34.24 | dpkg | Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <wheezy-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:34.35 | jrtc27 | !wheezy-lts |
| 21:34.35 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See http://deb.li/2aC for excluded packages. No changes to /etc/apt/sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts. |
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| 21:39.38 | AlexPortable | thanks |
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| 21:43.19 | moonythedwarf | What are the rules for package issues again? |
| 21:43.21 | moonythedwarf | derp |
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| 22:06.30 | imattxc | how can I enable openGL 4.x on intel mesa in debian? right now output is: "OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 13.0.6" |
| 22:07.02 | imattxc | card should support >= 4.4 |
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| 22:13.30 | teraflops | card support >= 4.4 ...on windows? |
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| 23:19.26 | nshp | is Alessandro Ghedini around here by any chance? I have a question about one of his patches to curl. sent an email, but thought it might be worth checking here too |
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| 23:22.14 | abrotman | nshp: Don't see him here or OFTC |
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| 23:23.09 | nshp | ok, thanks |
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| 23:38.10 | wr | on debian 8 jessie |
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| 23:50.20 | Barones | I'm having issues to install thedude on debian server vm running on promox |
| 23:50.28 | Barones | xorg doesnt run |
| 23:51.50 | Canucktux | try wayland |
| 23:52.15 | abrotman | !proxmox |
| 23:52.15 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
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