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| 00:00.28 | anotherus3r | hmm |
| 00:00.32 | ILikeUnity7 | anotherus3r, look at paste.debian.net/928136 |
| 00:00.41 | ILikeUnity7 | That's my suggestion |
| 00:00.48 | anotherus3r | it still adding my ISP DNS servers back |
| 00:01.03 | nbastin | anotherus3r: well, it may STILL have them in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 00:01.49 | nbastin | anotherus3r: you also don't need to reboot to refresh your network config.. :-) |
| 00:02.05 | anotherus3r | nbastin: I removed them, then reboot. And their where back. |
| 00:02.17 | missmbob | if you dont know what's writing to resolv.conf you can just set immutable bit so nothing can alter the file. chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:02.20 | nbastin | anotherus3r: ok, so in that case the upstream may be misbehaving and sending them anyhow |
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| 00:02.33 | nbastin | missmbob: unfortunately dhclient doesn't actually modify the file, it replaces it |
| 00:02.36 | ILikeUnity7 | Look at https://www.whatismyip.com/ to check for your IP |
| 00:02.39 | nbastin | missmbob: and you can't stop it |
| 00:03.05 | nbastin | missmbob: (well, there are some horrible ways to stop it, but they're all pretty horrible) |
| 00:03.05 | anotherus3r | ILikeUnity: I dont use networkmanager :) |
| 00:03.11 | ILikeUnity7 | Wrong channel i think... 2 internet problems in 2 channels xD |
| 00:03.26 | ILikeUnity7 | anotherus3r, ok I use Ubuntu... |
| 00:03.36 | sypher | ILikeUnity7: Try 'icanhazip.com'. It responds only with plaintext. |
| 00:03.53 | anotherus3r | ILikeUnity: debian jessie here |
| 00:04.09 | ILikeUnity7 | ok |
| 00:04.22 | ILikeUnity7 | What's your network manager |
| 00:04.30 | nbastin | anotherus3r: can you post the actual full contents of your /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 00:04.34 | nbastin | anotherus3r: (to paste.debian) |
| 00:05.28 | anotherus3r | ILikeUnity: I dont really know, how can I check? The debian default I guess. |
| 00:05.46 | anotherus3r | nbastin: nameserver 46.227.67.134, nameserver 192.165.9.158 |
| 00:05.53 | anotherus3r | nbastin: and two other :) |
| 00:06.06 | nbastin | anotherus3r: well, so..the first question would be why is this a problem.. :-) |
| 00:06.18 | nbastin | anotherus3r: as long as one of the first two servers responds, it will *never* use the last 2 |
| 00:06.33 | nbastin | I mean I realize this is possibly suboptimal in a perfect world |
| 00:06.39 | nbastin | but as a practical matter you are getting what you want |
| 00:07.59 | nbastin | if the dhcp server is ignoring your requested options, the fixes you can do are all pretty awful |
| 00:08.13 | nbastin | so the question is whether it's worth doing them |
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| 00:09.02 | anotherus3r | nbastin: Why do you think upstream may be misbehaving and sending them anyhow |
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| 00:09.21 | nbastin | anotherus3r: Well I could engage in a lot of conjecture, but it doesn't really matter.. :-) |
| 00:09.33 | nbastin | anotherus3r: what matters is if it *is* doing it, it doesn't really matter *why* |
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| 00:11.07 | anotherus3r | nbastin: It's more of a matter of principle that I want to get rid of the two other DNS Servers |
| 00:11.28 | nbastin | anotherus3r: so the easiest way to do this, but which is not great, is to edit dhclient-script |
| 00:11.36 | nbastin | and disable the code that writes /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 00:12.01 | nbastin | I mean optimally someone would fix that script to not be so horrible, but it's been that way for 20 years, so don't count on that |
| 00:12.48 | Devastator | where can I find the message which appears at boot? something like: /dev/sda1: clean etc etc |
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| 00:13.30 | nbastin | Devastator: dmesg might be the first place to look |
| 00:13.43 | Devastator | nbastin it isn't there |
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| 00:14.28 | anotherus3r | nbastin: Would you suggest to uninsall dhclient? Why do you need it anyway? |
| 00:14.39 | nbastin | anotherus3r: well you need it to give you an IP address |
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| 00:14.57 | nbastin | Devastator: sudo grep -i "clean" /var/log/*? :-) |
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| 00:19.38 | nbastin | anotherus3r: it will also *not* write your prepend DNS servers into /etc/resolv.conf, so you'll have to write them in once by hand |
| 00:20.07 | nbastin | (since it won't write anything into resolv.conf anymore) |
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| 00:21.06 | anotherus3r | nbastin: Should I remove everything down to # DHCPv6? |
| 00:21.31 | nbastin | anotherus3r: so if you're not comfortable writing this kind of code, you should remove the entire function |
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| 00:21.42 | nbastin | anotherus3r: and replace it with an empty one |
| 00:21.53 | nbastin | anotherus3r: make_resolv_conf() {} |
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| 00:23.45 | anotherus3r | nbastin: The entire function, but leave the # set host name |
| 00:23.49 | anotherus3r | and below? |
| 00:24.04 | nbastin | anotherus3r: leave the rest of the file, just remove make_resolv_conf |
| 00:24.09 | nbastin | (from { to } ) |
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| 00:24.16 | nbastin | and replace it with the empty one |
| 00:24.21 | nbastin | you need the rest of those functions |
| 00:26.00 | anotherus3r | nbastin: Can you paste bin a example? :) |
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| 00:26.14 | nbastin | anotherus3r: probably.. :-) |
| 00:27.47 | nbastin | anotherus3r: http://paste.debian.net/928142/ |
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| 00:36.54 | jim | Hi... so, I purged all the pkgs dpkg --get-selections | grep cups... it took out half my system... I have the dpkg log and I wanna put em back (so that's my main goal)... can I tell apt-get to just unpack? then I'll dpkg --configure --pending |
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| 00:37.38 | jim | (I'm running hexchat right now... but, it's an uninstalled package) |
| 00:38.23 | anotherus3r | nbastin: thank you |
| 00:39.02 | nbastin | anotherus3r: always remember that you did this, when some day you want dhclient to fill your /etc/resolv.conf again.. :-) |
| 00:39.18 | jim | gnome and kde gone... so my system is currently fragile... rebooting will -not- be good |
| 00:39.37 | anotherus3r | nbastin: I was thinking if there really is no other way? This feels very hardcoded to do :) |
| 00:39.44 | jim | it's possible the x server is gone too |
| 00:39.55 | nbastin | anotherus3r: there are other ways that are also pretty painful |
| 00:40.37 | nbastin | anotherus3r: possibly the easiest way (in theory.....?) would be to use a different dhclient, but I don't know what software that would be |
| 00:41.06 | nbastin | anotherus3r: you can also try to make /etc/resolv.conf unwriteable and *unreplaceable*, but that will be very difficult since dhclient runs with superuser privileges |
| 00:41.34 | nbastin | anotherus3r: because what dhclient-script does is write a new file (/etc/resolv.conf.new.XX) and then moves it to /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 00:42.12 | nbastin | anotherus3r: you could also have a cron job that ran every minute and wrote /etc/resolv.conf to whatever you wanted it to be |
| 00:42.19 | nbastin | anotherus3r: these are all pretty horrible options |
| 00:42.57 | nbastin | anotherus3r: but yes, dhclient-script is a file that comes in the dhclient package, and modifying it is sortof Bad. |
| 00:43.17 | nbastin | anotherus3r: but at this point you are mostly choosing between which bad option you want to use |
| 00:43.41 | nbastin | anotherus3r: (including doing nothing, and just living with 2 unused DNS servers at the end of the file) |
| 00:43.57 | nbastin | anotherus3r: if your ISP sends you the same DNS servers all the time you could also use iptables to drop all traffic to those destinations |
| 00:44.11 | nbastin | anotherus3r: so your system wouldn't use them if for some reason they became the only servers that you had |
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| 00:49.08 | anotherus3r | nbastin: What would you do? |
| 00:49.50 | nbastin | anotherus3r: well, I'm a network security researcher, so what I would do is not what I would suggest that you should do.. :-) |
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| 00:50.15 | nbastin | anotherus3r: what *I* would do is write a network function that modified the DHCP packets I got back from the ISP server |
| 00:50.21 | nbastin | anotherus3r: and stripped the options I didn't want.. |
| 00:50.32 | nbastin | anotherus3r: but that's pretty crazy.. :-) |
| 00:50.51 | nbastin | anotherus3r: I mean, it does seem like I actually should write such a thing, and then people like you could just use it |
| 00:51.03 | sypher | Or we could avoid Rube Goldberging it by adding 'supersede domain-name-servers' to /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf. |
| 00:51.19 | nbastin | sypher: that still only works if your upstream is not misbehaved |
| 00:51.29 | nbastin | because dhclient is so damn stupid |
| 00:51.46 | sypher | Um, K. |
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| 00:52.47 | nbastin | also if debian used the enter-hooks, but my system at least doesn't have them |
| 00:52.53 | nbastin | perhaps that is because I did something bad to it though |
| 00:53.20 | nbastin | (then you could just put make_resolv_conf() {} in a separate file on its own) |
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| 00:54.30 | anotherus3r | nbastin: I dont get why upstream is misbehaved, because the DNS servers from my VPN provider is stable ones. |
| 00:54.49 | nbastin | anotherus3r: but your dhcp response isn't from your vpn provider, it's from your isp |
| 00:56.01 | nbastin | anotherus3r: so they're sending you the option you didn't request (and may be forcing down the dhcp6 option that breaks supersede, but we didn't check that) |
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| 00:56.54 | nbastin | anotherus3r: because request is, while by spec controlling, not actually controlling in dhclient, and it will fill dns servers if it gets them, regardless of what it asked for |
| 00:56.57 | jim | welp... I'm gonna grep n cut the package names out of todays remove and purge logs, apt-get -d install em then unpack em all |
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| 01:25.27 | anotherus3r | nbastin: What about to add DNS servers in /etc/network/interfaces under eth0? |
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| 01:34.03 | anotherus3r | nbastin: good night |
| 01:34.08 | anotherus3r | nbastin: and thank you |
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| 03:15.42 | Lyberta | hi, I'm trying to make a bash script that uses file contents as an argument, I'm doing: foo "$(< bar.txt)" but I get result as if bar.txt is empty. In reality it contains several lines |
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| 03:19.39 | ryouma | <( |
| 03:19.59 | ryouma | oops, no |
| 03:20.03 | ryouma | just < |
| 03:20.08 | ryouma | <bar |
| 03:20.19 | ryouma | screw it forget everything i said |
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| 03:20.28 | ryouma | $(cat bar) |
| 03:21.42 | Lyberta | ryouma, yay, it works! thanks |
| 03:21.50 | ryouma | yw |
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| 03:33.44 | remote | hi |
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| 03:37.07 | HackInTheBox | yo guys |
| 03:37.37 | HackInTheBox | i was getting lag in my tty1 so i changed terminals to see what was up, when i went back to tty1 and logged in the desktop was empty |
| 03:37.44 | HackInTheBox | i checked all procs and they are still running |
| 03:38.14 | HackInTheBox | (ps -aux). also, all nothing has been moved to workspace down (unsure if there are other workspaces. |
| 03:38.52 | remote | how do I prevent lib deps checks with debuild ? Passing -d still yields the dependencies errors |
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| 04:16.43 | SubGenius | hi folks! |
| 04:17.15 | SubGenius | hi I have a question regarding an issue I'm having upgrading Debian. |
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| 04:17.59 | SubGenius | when attempting to run apt-get upgrade, it returns with a Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 04:18.50 | SubGenius | I've researched and the methods I've tried don't seem to be working. If there are other resources I could read first I would appreciate it. |
| 04:19.23 | SubGenius | I know many prefer people to read before asking questions, and I'm willing to read any helpful information first. thanks in advance. |
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| 04:26.34 | ryouma | SubGenius: try update again |
| 04:26.41 | remote | SubGenius: paste your command and its output |
| 04:27.20 | SubGenius | okay I'll try I don't have a gui and I don't recall the program that I used to use to autocreate pastebin. |
| 04:27.33 | SubGenius | unless I dunno if I can do something with screen and lynx |
| 04:27.48 | SubGenius | I just thought there was a pastebin program with wget |
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| 04:29.11 | SubGenius | I think I found it pastebinit |
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| 04:29.49 | SubGenius | I'm using cubieboard arm by the way |
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| 04:35.16 | SubGenius | I'm creating an output file right now then I'll send the pastebin online. |
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| 04:46.44 | SubGenius | sorry hang on I'm trying to paste the output of this terminal I'll figure it out in a sec. |
| 04:49.51 | SubGenius | well I'll come back to this issue. I have to install a gui and hope I can actually get audio and not choppy video either. |
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| 04:52.53 | SubGenius | ryouma: http://paste.debian.net/928154 |
| 04:52.57 | SubGenius | remote: http://paste.debian.net/928154 |
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| 05:05.20 | quietone | iwlist wlan0 scan finds networks, but Network Manager says 'No Networks' |
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| 05:24.57 | dgriffi | oh... I think I see now... |
| 05:25.01 | nkuttler | dgriffi: oracle pissing off everybody in the open source world |
| 05:25.08 | dgriffi | yeah... |
| 05:25.48 | dgriffi | I briefly confused myself |
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| 05:26.24 | coypu | hehe |
| 05:26.49 | coypu | I sent them a single line non-functional patch, they asked me to sign a CLA |
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| 05:27.32 | quietone | what is CLA? |
| 05:27.36 | _Maik_ | anyone worked with Open-Xchange....is there a better way? |
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| 05:29.46 | coypu | sign a legal document saying I grant them full rights over my contributions (so they can change the license on a whim, distribute a closed version, etc.) |
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| 05:30.23 | quietone | thanks |
| 05:31.52 | SubGenius | coypu: wow that's messed up. |
| 05:32.26 | SubGenius | shystie stuff. |
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| 05:33.30 | dgriffi | coypu: what did you do? submit a million-dollar poem embedded as comments? |
| 05:34.49 | coypu | casted something to void |
| 05:34.55 | coypu | or something |
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| 05:56.21 | quietone | iwlist wlan0 scan finds networks, but Network Manager says 'No Networks' |
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| 05:59.09 | quietone | since I had to reinstall networking has been a problem. bridge stopped working, extra routes appearing |
| 05:59.28 | quietone | so I've pulled out most stuff, no local dns, no bridge, no firewall |
| 05:59.32 | quietone | and still no wifi |
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| 06:00.39 | quietone | networking isn't really my thing. But I have been researching this for many days and making zip progress |
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| 06:31.49 | quietone | i don't get it. network manager shows the wire disconnected. but it isn't. |
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| 06:34.04 | coypu | but I don't linux enough to be sure that is a thing on linux too |
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| 08:59.23 | kolla | anyone familiar with partman? |
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| 09:00.08 | kolla | I struggle setting up disks from a preseed |
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| 09:02.07 | kolla | two disks, GTP, I want 64MB ESP at start of both disks, rest of disk as RAID partition, then create RAID1 on the two raid partitions, and LVM on top of that - should be really simple one would think |
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| 09:03.04 | kolla | but.. damn if I manage to make that 64MB ESP :p |
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| 09:09.54 | HD|Laptop | Hi |
| 09:10.11 | HD|Laptop | I used this command to set up a KVM guest on a headless server: sudo virt-install --name centos7 --ram 12288 --disk path=./centos.qcow2,size=100 --vcpus 6 --os-type linux --os-variant centos7.0 --network bridge=br0 --graphics none --console pty,target_type=serial --location 'http://mirror.i3d.net/pub/centos/7/os/x86_64/' --extra-args 'console=ttyS0,115200n8 serial' |
| 09:10.18 | HD|Laptop | Worked so far |
| 09:10.21 | HD|Laptop | but how do I detach from the serial console? |
| 09:10.36 | HD|Laptop | virtinstall said to me: "Connected to domain centos7 Escape character is ^]" |
| 09:10.59 | HD|Laptop | But how do I input this character, when connecting to the headless server via ssh, and using a German keyboard? |
| 09:12.50 | kolla | hm, ok... looks like partman will only make 512MB minimum ESP |
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| 09:23.19 | sds_ | does anyone know a good way to loadbalance syslog traffic? I configured a HAProxy and just realised that it doesn't support UDP. |
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| 09:23.55 | sds_ | the feature that was really attractive with HAProxy was the custom TCP health check (which fit perfectly my need) |
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| 09:24.12 | sds_ | a good alternative maybe? |
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| 09:28.00 | sep | sds loadbalance ? do you not want it into a central system? or are you thinking HA ? active passive ? with load balancing youd have logs going to different servers and a mess to look at. perhaps sharding is a better option, ? |
| 09:29.38 | FinalX | sds_: the whole point about UDP is that you don't _have_ any control over whether or not it actually arrives. |
| 09:29.51 | FinalX | there won't be an ACK coming back |
| 09:30.13 | FinalX | you basically dump it over someone's fence and pray it doesn't end up in a swamp somewhere, never to be found again |
| 09:30.25 | FinalX | if you want log security, syslog with udp is not the way to go |
| 09:30.58 | FinalX | safer to either syslog locally and ship them off to a central system after, or use something else |
| 09:31.41 | sds_ | Actually I'm ok with my logs going to different servers |
| 09:32.03 | sds_ | Because theses servers are some logstash, connected to the same ElasticSearch cluster |
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| 09:33.59 | sds_ | some of the equipements logging are only supporting syslog, so I can't something else at this level |
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| 09:34.35 | sds_ | but FinalX, you're making me thinking again about log security |
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| 09:36.48 | FinalX | I believe you can also make syslog log over TCP, and then it'd be HA'able, too |
| 09:37.08 | FinalX | but kinda depends on the used software, and if you have equipment doing it, you might not have that option, idk |
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| 09:38.40 | sds_ | you're right, I think I heard of a TCP support for syslog the firewall I manage. I'll check if that's a solution. Unfortunaly, my supervision will then depend on that feature for the others equipements... |
| 09:38.50 | sds_ | Either way, thank you :) |
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| 09:39.21 | FinalX | np :) |
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| 09:43.56 | kolla | wtf - when I specify 512MB, it creates ESP size of 487MB |
| 09:43.58 | kolla | it's as if partman pics arbitrary numbers out of the blue |
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| 09:46.40 | uniTosch | 512MB are roughly 487Mebibyte, sure it didn't just convert the units? |
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| 09:49.02 | kolla | Could be |
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| 09:49.54 | kolla | the logics of partman is beyond me |
| 09:49.56 | shtrb|laptop | Any idea for a solenoid that could be installed on top of a water valve without replacing the actual valve ? |
| 09:50.13 | shtrb|laptop | sorry , wrong place |
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| 10:38.57 | sypher | kolla: partman for some inexplicable reason works in SI units instead of binary units. 1 GiB = 1024 MiB ~= 1074 MB. In your case, 512 MB ~= 488 MiB. |
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| 10:41.37 | lowin | Hello. I'm trying to install debian jessie, but I don't have any usb flash or blank discs with me atm. I do have a ubuntu live disk I can boot from though. Is it possible to run debian-installer from another system? |
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| 10:42.25 | lowin | I wanted to boot into debian's initrd.gz directly but the ubuntu disk doesn't use grub so I couldn't do it |
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| 10:44.56 | petn-randall | lowin: You could use debootstrap to provision a Debian installation onto the HDD, but it's more geared towards advanced users. |
| 10:45.36 | andrew2221 | Hi everyone. Have someone successfully set up a Windows 7 guest with QUEMU+KVM and 3D support on Debian8/9? I don't know how to make 3D available in the guest. Read something about PCI passthrough and Virgil, but I was unable to find a simple step-by-step tutorial for that. The most I could do is to increase the vram amount from the guest XML file. |
| 10:46.20 | lowin | petn-randall, Well, I'd like to think of myself as an advanced user. where can I find debootstrap utility? I don't recall seeing it inside the initrd.gz image |
| 10:46.23 | petn-randall | andrew2221: I'm pretty sure that feature is not available in Debian jessie. That feature just hit the Linux kernel in the last release. |
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| 10:47.23 | petn-randall | lowin: Install the package, then start reading on the man page. Note that you'll have to install the bootloader by hand, and that you need to make sure you boot the live image witht the same UEFI mode as you'd boot the Debian installation. |
| 10:47.25 | andrew2221 | petn-randall, Damn.. No wonder why I couldn't find something useful on the subject. Thank you. |
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| 10:48.12 | petn-randall | andrew2221: Unless you're planning on playing GPU intensive games this shouldn't be an issue though. |
| 10:48.29 | uniTosch | andrew2221: this guide is rather handy. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/apds03.html.en |
| 10:49.26 | andrew2221 | petn-randall, nothing fancy like that, just wanted to use Aero and browsing/working generally with the guest would have been much smoother. So my best bet for 3D is still VirtualBox/VmWare, right? |
| 10:49.41 | kolla | sypher: yes, I figured it out :) |
| 10:49.42 | kolla | specifying 269 gives me a 256MiB partition |
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| 10:50.12 | kolla | got my preseed working now |
| 10:50.18 | uniTosch | lowin: oops, meant to send this to you https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/apds03.html.en |
| 10:50.27 | andrew2221 | uniTosch, looking to it right now, thank you. |
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| 10:50.44 | uniTosch | andrew2221: sorry, didn't mean to tag you. ^^ |
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| 10:51.10 | petn-randall | andrew2221: If they support that, yes. But virtio video card should be fast enough for Aero and smooth browsing. You might need to install the actual graphics driver in your guest system. |
| 10:51.18 | andrew2221 | uniTosch, I just realized that.. Thanks anyway.. :) |
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| 10:53.49 | andrew2221 | petn-randall, Actually I've set my video to virtio, but couldn't figure out why the standard VGA driver was installed by Windows, and it couldn't find the correct drivers from the virtio ISO neither.. So I should try to install the host drivers? |
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| 10:54.34 | petn-randall | andrew2221: In that case just pick a different graphics card that is supported by windows. |
| 10:55.05 | petn-randall | andrew2221: I can't really give you any hands-on tips as I don't use any Windows VMs. |
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| 10:56.42 | andrew2221 | petn-randall, With QXL at least Windows works ok, installing the spice-guest and using the RedHat QXL driver.. Just that bloody 2D/3D support is missing.. Thank you for the tips.. I will wait some more for 3D to be more mature on KVM.. |
| 10:57.27 | andrew2221 | Maybe one day (sooner than later) we'll see that. |
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| 10:59.07 | petn-randall | andrew2221: All you need is hardware acceleration, not 3D support. The former is already supported, it might just need a little searching on how to do it in Windows. |
| 10:59.20 | lowin | uniTosch, thanks for the link |
| 11:00.12 | andrew2221 | petn-randall, that's right, I might confuse the terms a bit, but yeah, that's what I meant. Will keep searching. |
| 11:01.06 | Fasort | anyone can help me fix wifi issue? it doesnt connect at startup. have to reboot everytime to fix the issue. rfkill shows no blocking, idk whats wrong. dmesg is here : https://gist.github.com/anonymous/126d01d6cf5940e405715c0350127b89 |
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| 11:02.37 | r4co0n | Fasort, so it does not connect after a cold boot, but after rebooting it works? |
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| 11:06.25 | petn-randall | Fasort: which release are you running? |
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| 11:06.39 | r4co0n | Fasort, I can't see which wireless chipset you are using from the dmesg log. Please run "lspci|grep Network" in a terminal. |
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| 11:13.01 | Fasort | r4co0n, yup |
| 11:13.37 | Fasort | petn-randall, 24:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] (rev 34) |
| 11:15.05 | Fasort | r4co0n, this wifi ^ |
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| 11:16.12 | r4co0n | Fasort, first of all, your wifi chipset is supported and should work with linux: https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/network-and-i-o/wireless-networking/000005511.html |
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| 11:17.24 | r4co0n | Fasort, do you have the non-free package firmware-iwlwifi installed? (I guess so because it sometimes works, but am not sure if there is an alternative free wifi driver) |
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| 11:17.54 | Fasort | I dont think so |
| 11:17.57 | Fasort | I didnt install it |
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| 11:18.13 | Fasort | I just installed wpa supplicant and network manager |
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| 11:19.27 | r4co0n | Then my recommendation would be to go and install firmware-iwlwifi, which supports your wifi chip. Though it would be nice if we could get this to work without this driver. |
| 11:19.39 | r4co0n | Fasort, ^ |
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| 11:20.16 | Fasort | ok |
| 11:20.19 | petn-randall | Fasort: Which OS release are you running? |
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| 11:21.59 | petn-randall | r4co0n: That is *firmware*, and it's just an updated version that already exists on the device. |
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| 11:22.36 | petn-randall | (as opposed to drivers, which run on the CPU) |
| 11:22.53 | Fasort | Idk why its causing wifi not to work sometimes. now I am connected just fine after rebooting |
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| 11:23.32 | r4co0n | petn-randall, driver!=firmware, noted, sorry for the confusion |
| 11:24.33 | Fasort | so do I need the firmware? |
| 11:24.51 | petn-randall | Fasort: Which OS release are you running? |
| 11:24.53 | r4co0n | Fasort, you probably do, we will know for sure when the problem is gone. |
| 11:25.36 | Fasort | petn-randall, testing |
| 11:25.42 | Fasort | and stable |
| 11:25.43 | Fasort | dual boot |
| 11:25.49 | Fasort | both have same issue many times |
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| 11:27.38 | r4co0n | Fasort, we assume that your systems are up-to-date. Checking that, I would go try firmware-iwlwifi |
| 11:27.50 | Fasort | r4co0n, yes its up to date |
| 11:28.00 | Fasort | r4co0n, if firmware was missing, why would it be working now? |
| 11:28.23 | r4co0n | It is a newer version of the firmware already resident in your chipset |
| 11:28.29 | r4co0n | Fasort, ^ an update |
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| 11:30.48 | r4co0n | If I'm not mistaken, this will be loaded during every boot, since it can't permanently replace what is on the chipset now. So you need the package for both systems and keep it. |
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| 11:31.22 | Fasort | r4co0n, installed. do I have to enable any systemd service? |
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| 11:31.33 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
| 11:32.00 | petn-randall | Fasort: The firmware gets loaded when the drivers loads, so during boot. A reboot should make it load. |
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| 11:33.15 | r4co0n | petn-randall, but they don't permanently replace the firmware, just until powerloss, or am I mistaken? (It was like that with CPU firmware updates iirc) |
| 11:33.52 | andrew2221 | petn-randall, according to https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/QEMU#virtio, I could use the right parameters to enable video acceleration. Do you have an idea how to do it while I still use virt-manager GUI? |
| 11:34.07 | petn-randall | r4co0n: Yes, they're just loaded for that powercycle, it's not permanent. |
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| 11:49.36 | disaster__ | Hi! hi try to do a debian service with a php script chrooted. Any good tips, tutorial...? i try tu use start-stop-daemon but he refuse to start |
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| 11:52.02 | petn-randall | disaster__: What error message do you get? What does the PHP script do? |
| 11:52.30 | disaster__ | petn-randall: the php script is a websocket server |
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| 11:54.35 | disaster__ | petn-randall: and the error start-stop-daemon: unable to start /usr/bin/php5 (No such file or directory) |
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| 11:56.23 | disaster__ | petn-randall: start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile /var/run/test.pid --chroot /var/www/site --chdir /public_html --startas /usr/bin/php5 -- --define session.save_path=/session /var/www/site/public_html/test.php |
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| 11:57.20 | jelly | disaster__: is there a /usr/bin/php5 inside chroot? |
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| 11:58.01 | jelly | iotw, is there a /var/www/site/usr/bin/php5 |
| 11:58.22 | disaster__ | jelly: yes i cp it |
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| 12:02.35 | jelly | disaster__: alright, did you also cp the libraries it needs and configuration and php modules/extensions your service needs? |
| 12:02.50 | lavenders | dear developers, i am proud to join the python team, everyone get seated lets go to the moon |
| 12:03.30 | disaster__ | jelly: well no |
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| 12:07.29 | jelly | disaster__: you'll have to do that. Start with "ldd /usr/bin/php5" output maybe. There are probably tools to automate populating a chroot, but I can't name any right now |
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| 12:08.57 | disaster__ | jelly ok thanks! there is no way to run it without moving? php-fpm run some pool in chroot but the master one isn't |
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| 12:09.31 | jelly | I have no idea how php5-fpm works. |
| 12:09.43 | jelly | probably has its own chroot support |
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| 12:26.36 | petn-randall | lavenders: You might want to idle in #debian-python on irc.oftc.net then. |
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| 12:38.56 | anotherus3r | I still cant get ride of my ISP dns servers from /etc/resolv.conf :/ |
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| 12:41.38 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: Why do you want that? |
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| 12:42.03 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: I just want to use 2 DNS servers from the VPN provider :) |
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| 12:42.28 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: Does your vpn connection set /etc/resolv.conf when turning it on? |
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| 12:42.42 | anotherus3r | no |
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| 12:42.55 | anotherus3r | But I edit /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
| 12:43.03 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: Are you using network-manager to bring up the vpn connection? |
| 12:43.12 | anotherus3r | and I did prepend domain-name-servers 46.227.67.134, 192.165.9.158; |
| 12:43.22 | anotherus3r | no, I use openvpn |
| 12:43.22 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: That sounds like the wrong approach. |
| 12:43.46 | anotherus3r | why? |
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| 12:44.42 | tdn | I see a lot of these messages in syslog. Does this mean my HDD is dead? Or are they harmless? smartd[980]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Prefailure Attribute: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed from 100 to 95 |
| 12:44.50 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: If you use network-manager, you can simply override the DNS servers. Though ideally the openvpn server should send some dns servers, and your client should accept them. |
| 12:45.00 | nbastin | tdn: it may mean that your HDD is dying |
| 12:45.31 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: It's not a good approach because dhclient.conf is used globally by every interface using dhcp. So you might end up adding those name server to connections that might not even be able to access them. |
| 12:45.38 | tdn | nbastin, how do I know if it is serious or not? |
| 12:45.51 | nbastin | tdn: it may also be meaningless, as some (most) SMART implementations aren't actually well correlated with HDD failure rates |
| 12:45.56 | tdn | nbastin, It suddenly started on the same day on both disks in a RAID-1 array |
| 12:45.57 | nbastin | tdn: you have to assume that it is, sadly |
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| 12:46.20 | tdn | nbastin, so I should take this as a sign to replace the disks? |
| 12:46.26 | nbastin | tdn: that may be something to investigate, although I'm not sure how (it might be some weird problem with the way the raid is set up) |
| 12:46.30 | petn-randall | tdn: I'd verify my backups first. |
| 12:46.37 | nbastin | tdn: well, I'd take it as a sign to make sure I have backups.. :-) |
| 12:46.45 | tdn | nbastin, I do have backups |
| 12:46.53 | nbastin | tdn: I wouldn't necessarily actually replace the disks until they fail |
| 12:47.21 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: The VPN provider say I should do that. If you use DHCP software that writes the settings in /etc/resolv.conf you need to edit the software configuration. |
| 12:47.27 | tdn | petn-randall, I have backups offsite. By verify do you mean that I should simulate a recovery and check that all live files match those in backups? In other words, you suspect data to be corrupted? |
| 12:47.36 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: https://www.ovpn.se/sv/blog/byt-dns-servrar-till-vara/ |
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| 12:47.52 | nbastin | tdn: if your raid software tells you the disks are bad, then I'd replace them, but SMART isn't really enough (imo) |
| 12:47.55 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: Under Debian |
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| 12:48.16 | tdn | nbastin, raid software is mdadm in debian. I do not use hw raid |
| 12:48.16 | petn-randall | tdn: I don't suspect corrupted data, I'd just make sure the backups exist and are current before those disks (might) fail. |
| 12:48.33 | nbastin | tdn: If you have good backups, I'd just ignore it |
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| 12:48.50 | tdn | nbastin, ok |
| 12:48.52 | tdn | petn-randall, ok |
| 12:49.18 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: I don't understand swedish, but I think the better approach is to configure it via network-manager, and replace the DNS servers there in the config. |
| 12:49.44 | tdn | The SMART messages started occoruing about a week ago and since then there have been about 5 of these messages per disk per day. Before that there were none such messages for more than a year |
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| 12:50.14 | petn-randall | tdn: If you want to investigate, you can kick off a SMART long selftest, and after that kick off a RAID scrub. |
| 12:50.21 | nbastin | tdn: if it's directly post-raid configuration, it might be a result of slightly laggy disk acks on the software side |
| 12:50.29 | nbastin | tdn: you might want to do a smart test on the disks directly |
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| 12:50.48 | tdn | petn-randall, I already started a smart extended test (about 6 hours) and it is going on on both disks |
| 12:50.48 | nbastin | tdn: but also dependingo n your vendor, the SMART data is basically meaningless |
| 12:50.55 | tdn | petn-randall, RAID scrub? |
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| 12:51.24 | petn-randall | tdn: It reads both sides and compares if the values are identical (which they always should). That would catch any silent corruption if there is any. |
| 12:51.26 | tdn | nbastin, the disks are toshiba |
| 12:51.28 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: IF I dont use network-manager, What other software do I use then? How can I check that? |
| 12:51.54 | nbastin | tdn: also if you're doing raid 1 and all the disks came from the same batch, you are at risk of near-correlated failure, where you'll lose them both about the same time (since they've had nearly identical workloads) |
| 12:51.58 | tdn | petn-randall, how to initiate that with mdadm? And is it generally safe to run that? Or is it destructive? |
| 12:52.12 | tdn | petn-randall, scrub sounds awful lot like erase..... |
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| 12:52.23 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: If you don't use network-manager, I'd use ifupdown (configured in /etc/network/interfaces). Either way, I wouldn't start openvpn by hand, but do it with the tools present. |
| 12:52.33 | tdn | nbastin, the disks are from different batches and bought about a year between |
| 12:52.58 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: bash: ifupdown: command not found |
| 12:53.01 | petn-randall | tdn: It's not descructive, mdadm should have a cron job that does that (but due to bugs in stable doesn't run correctly). |
| 12:53.08 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: 'man ifup' |
| 12:53.13 | r4co0n | anotherus3r, On a VM I use to connect to a VPN using proprietary software, I just added the immutable flag to resolv.conf, which hinders any process from writing to the file. I disable it again if I need to. Enable: "chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf" Disable: "chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf" - I can't really recommend this approach, but it works for me as long as I remember what I did. |
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| 12:53.15 | nbastin | tdn: I guess I'd have some small confidence that this is a red herring / spurious problem and wouldn't necessarily dig too deep (again, on the assumption that failure isn't fatal since you have backups) |
| 12:53.37 | tdn | petn-randall, is this the same as the "resync" job that runs periodically? I noticed that this is something that runs |
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| 12:54.21 | petn-randall | tdn: It's the checkarray script, the bug is here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=380425 |
| 12:54.22 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/380425 in mdadm (closed): «mdadm: /etc/cron.d/mdadm doesn't just run on the first Sunday of every month...»; severity: normal; opened: 2006-07-30; last modified: 2007-06-24. |
| 12:54.41 | petn-randall | Argh, no wait |
| 12:55.05 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: What if I use ifup and install network-manager? Can I really do that? |
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| 12:55.11 | anotherus3r | r4co0n: ok thank you |
| 12:55.12 | petn-randall | tdn: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=787950 |
| 12:55.13 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/787950 in mdadm (open, patch): «mdadm: checkarray don't work whit dash»; severity: important; opened: 2015-06-06; last modified: 2017-04-01. |
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| 12:55.37 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: network-manager will ignore any interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces, so they don't interfere. |
| 12:55.57 | tdn | petn-randall, thanks |
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| 12:56.03 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 12:56.25 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: So you mean that you can use ifup and network-manager togheter? |
| 12:57.06 | darxmurf | is there a maximum number of members in a group reconized by the "id" command ? |
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| 12:57.20 | darxmurf | I have a ldap group with 350 users |
| 12:57.47 | darxmurf | when I launch "id username" it does not print this group anymore in the list despite the fact I'm a member |
| 12:58.01 | darxmurf | if I launch a ldapsearch, I'm in the group |
| 12:58.03 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: You can use ifupdown for some interfaces, and nm for other. You can't use both for the same interface. |
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| 12:58.46 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: What do you mean by 'some interfaces'? |
| 12:59.11 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: Using ifupdown and nm are mutually exclusive for the same interface. |
| 12:59.24 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/928195/ <- this is my /etc/network/interfaces, looks good to you? |
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| 12:59.29 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: If you have eth0, you can only configure it with ifupdown *OR* with nm, not with both. |
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| 12:59.46 | petn-randall | eth0 being an example for an interface. |
| 13:01.03 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: Looks like a normal config to me. |
| 13:01.08 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: Does mine /etc/network/interfaces looks good to you? |
| 13:02.14 | anotherus3r | ok |
| 13:02.54 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: I installed debian-8.7.1-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso, why did it not install network-manager by default? |
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| 13:04.02 | BluesKaj | anotherus3r: it does install nm by default |
| 13:04.21 | BluesKaj | i've found using the interfaces file with static ip without network-manger is simpler to connect to vpn servers with the command line |
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| 13:04.34 | BluesKaj | anotherus3r: ^ |
| 13:05.00 | anotherus3r | BluesKaj: Package 'network-manager' is not installed, so not removed |
| 13:05.06 | r4co0n | anotherus3r, you have the plain /etc/network/interfaces file that comes with installation. If you have nothing in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ , it is perfectly fine. |
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| 13:05.32 | r4co0n | anotherus3r, otherwise, these files need to be checked as well. |
| 13:06.02 | anotherus3r | r4co0n: /etc/network/interfaces.d/ is blank |
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| 13:06.25 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: I'm pretty sure that if you installed KDE, you have nm on it, too. |
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| 13:06.43 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: How can I check? |
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| 13:07.51 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: dpkg -l 'network-manager' |
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| 13:08.29 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: dpkg-query: no packages found matching network-manager |
| 13:08.47 | anotherus3r | :/ |
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| 13:09.39 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: Any idea why? |
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| 13:10.37 | modles | Hi all. got an issue where my disk is going read only when i do an apt-get update and the update always fails on a 'could not resolve' issue and the drive stays locked. any ideas? |
| 13:11.14 | coke | filesystems go read only when the disk has issues |
| 13:11.24 | coke | check dmesg to find out more |
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| 13:12.14 | r4co0n | anotherus3r, task-kde-desktop recommends plasma-nm, which depends on network-manager |
| 13:12.46 | anotherus3r | r4co0n: What does that really mean? |
| 13:13.11 | r4co0n | anotherus3r, that means a standard kde install includes network-manager |
| 13:14.00 | r4co0n | anotherus3r, if you run tasksel, select "Debian desktop environment / KDE", it should get installed. |
| 13:14.12 | BluesKaj | anotherus3r: did you upgrade via dist-upgrade after setting your sources.list to jessie ? |
| 13:14.44 | anotherus3r | r4co0n: Where should I select? I already installed it. |
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| 13:15.41 | r4co0n | anotherus3r, "tasksel" is a program you can run as root on your computer to reconfigure it using meta-packages for specific tasks. One of them is "Install KDE desktop". If you have selected that, network-manager should be installed. |
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| 13:17.10 | anotherus3r | BluesKaj: I installed debian-8.7.1-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso, then I got Bad Mirror Archive during install and skip that step. Then I boot to Rescue Mode, fix the sources.list and did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and Installed nvidia-driver. Now Im here. |
| 13:17.11 | brenlae | question, where is the netinstall of Debian Stretch? |
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| 13:17.52 | BluesKaj | aha, so some packages didn't get installed by default |
| 13:18.03 | anotherus3r | r4co0n: The thing is I got KDE, yea? But there is no network-manager |
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| 13:18.21 | BluesKaj | brenlae: just google it |
| 13:18.22 | anotherus3r | BluesKaj: Because of the Bad Mirror Archive thing, yes? |
| 13:18.25 | ikevin | hi |
| 13:18.25 | r4co0n | anotherus3r, the "task-kde-desktop" is not the only way to install kde |
| 13:18.28 | brenlae | BluesKaj: k :) |
| 13:18.32 | brenlae | well later :) |
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| 13:18.42 | anotherus3r | r4co0n: So what should I do now? |
| 13:18.47 | ikevin | is there the good place for asking about creation of deb file? |
| 13:18.54 | r4co0n | anotherus3r, run tasksel and select KDE |
| 13:19.03 | BluesKaj | anotherus3r: depends , what do you want to do? |
| 13:19.09 | r4co0n | anotherus3r, or run "apt-get install task-kde-desktop" |
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| 13:19.51 | anotherus3r | BluesKaj: Install that packages that didnt get installed by default. |
| 13:20.02 | r4co0n | ikevin, https://wiki.debian.org/RFP |
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| 13:20.21 | r4co0n | ikevin, or are you packaging yourself? |
| 13:20.24 | anotherus3r | r4co0n: task-kde-desktop is already the newest version. |
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| 13:20.39 | r4co0n | anotherus3r, interesting... |
| 13:20.41 | ikevin | r4co0n, i'm making a package |
| 13:20.51 | r4co0n | anotherus3r, do you have disabled installing recommended packages? |
| 13:21.06 | BluesKaj | using tasksel is one method installing plsama-desktop is another |
| 13:21.07 | anotherus3r | r4co0n: I cant belive that. How do I check? |
| 13:21.15 | r4co0n | ikevin, look at the new maintainer's guide ? |
| 13:21.19 | BluesKaj | plasma-desktop |
| 13:21.46 | anotherus3r | BluesKaj: plasma-desktop is already the newest version. |
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| 13:22.06 | r4co0n | anotherus3r, how about just installing network-manager? Or install "plasma-nm", which includes GUI stuff for KDE. |
| 13:22.16 | BluesKaj | anotherus3r: then try r4co0n's suggestion |
| 13:22.40 | anotherus3r | r4co0n: Maybe there is more packages that missing, How do I check? |
| 13:22.55 | anotherus3r | I just try to understand this. |
| 13:23.08 | anotherus3r | Because you say network-manager should be installed by default. |
| 13:23.13 | BluesKaj | r4co0n: don't think he even need nm if he's going to set up his vpn |
| 13:23.25 | BluesKaj | needs |
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| 13:23.45 | BluesKaj | nm is an impediment |
| 13:23.51 | anotherus3r | BluesKaj: I got mine vpn from a provider. |
| 13:23.58 | ikevin | r4co0n, i've take a look, so i'm not sure about "Replaces" directive |
| 13:24.01 | BluesKaj | yes i know |
| 13:24.36 | anotherus3r | So is there any way to install missing packages from the install? |
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| 13:24.56 | BluesKaj | anotherus3r: ^ , but with nm out of the using the command line to connect to your vpn server will be much simpler |
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| 13:25.04 | r4co0n | ikevin, I don't think this is the right channel to discuss this, though I am willing to help you as far as I can? Maybe write a private message, you're welcome, or let someone suggest a more appropriate channel. |
| 13:25.07 | BluesKaj | out of the way |
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| 13:25.17 | brenlae | i have debian 8.7, is it worthwhile upgrading to debian 9? should i just wait for a final release? |
| 13:25.23 | anotherus3r | BluesKaj: I really like the openvpn client :) |
| 13:25.43 | BluesKaj | yes anotherus3r I use it too |
| 13:26.22 | dontknow | brenlae, debian 9 is stable for me |
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| 13:26.27 | brenlae | ok |
| 13:26.28 | brenlae | hmm |
| 13:26.31 | brenlae | i'll give it a go |
| 13:26.31 | BluesKaj | brenlae: I'm running stretch and it's fine, but a lot depends on your HW and drivers |
| 13:26.33 | r4co0n | anotherus3r, if you have selected the meta-package we talked about, you have installed kde proper. Though, if your install aborted prematurely, how about installing again using online mirrors? |
| 13:26.40 | brenlae | hmmm |
| 13:26.42 | brenlae | maybe not then |
| 13:26.46 | brenlae | i have an AMD Radeon |
| 13:26.57 | brenlae | runs fine with fglrx drivers from repository |
| 13:26.57 | BluesKaj | nvidia gpu here |
| 13:27.09 | dontknow | intel here |
| 13:27.38 | brenlae | hmmk |
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| 13:27.43 | dontknow | BluesKaj, stretch produces more heat for you_ |
| 13:27.44 | anotherus3r | r4co0n: So 'apt-get install -f' would not do the work? |
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| 13:28.06 | BluesKaj | dontknow: nope |
| 13:28.12 | dontknow | BluesKaj, i use kde plasma and it produces more heat for me :/ |
| 13:28.15 | towo^work | in stretch, there are no fglrx anymore |
| 13:28.42 | brenlae | towo^work: just open source radeon drivers? |
| 13:28.44 | r4co0n | anotherus3r, I guess it will do nothing right now. |
| 13:28.49 | towo^work | sure |
| 13:28.56 | towo^work | they are way better than fglrx |
| 13:29.04 | r4co0n | anotherus3r, try it, you can cancel if you don't supply additional flags. |
| 13:29.12 | BluesKaj | dontknow: , laptop? , maybe so... mine is a desktop |
| 13:29.15 | brenlae | towo^work: oh cool :D |
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| 13:29.21 | dontknow | BluesKaj, yes |
| 13:29.26 | anotherus3r | r4co0n: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 13:29.45 | dontknow | brenlae, it depens on what card you have |
| 13:29.55 | dontknow | it might not work well for you |
| 13:30.06 | r4co0n | anotherus3r, my crystal ball is working correctly then ;) |
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| 13:30.26 | brenlae | hmm |
| 13:30.27 | anotherus3r | r4co0n: I dont know man, its just strange. |
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| 13:30.37 | brenlae | i have an AMD A8 apu |
| 13:30.44 | brenlae | radeon r5 and 800 mhz |
| 13:30.46 | brenlae | 2.08 ghz * 4 |
| 13:31.03 | dontknow | apus work fine i believe |
| 13:31.09 | brenlae | good good :3 |
| 13:31.17 | anotherus3r | r4co0n: The thing is, I always gets the bad mirror achrive. |
| 13:31.25 | r4co0n | anotherus3r, try to install "plasma-nm". Or just reinstall and make sure the mirrors/connection doesn't break. |
| 13:31.48 | r4co0n | anotherus3r, right now, when running "apt-get update"? |
| 13:31.50 | anotherus3r | r4co0n: How can I be sure the connecton doesnt break? Im wired. |
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| 13:32.15 | anotherus3r | r4co0n: yes now it works. But not during the install itself. |
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| 13:33.28 | r4co0n | anotherus3r, you can choose a mirror before getting that error while installing. So either your network is not working when the installer thinks it is, or you got unlucky and picked a repo that was having problems at this point in time. |
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| 13:33.55 | r4co0n | anotherus3r, which never happened to me (as of yet). |
| 13:34.29 | petn-randall | Or the wifi interface didn't work due to missing firmware, and the installer skipped that step after confirmation. |
| 13:34.35 | anotherus3r | r4co0n: I tried alot repos from different countrys. |
| 13:34.50 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: Im not on wifi. |
| 13:35.08 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: How did you prepare the USB/CD image to install from? |
| 13:35.35 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: unetbootin |
| 13:35.50 | anotherus3r | then bios -> boot from usb |
| 13:35.53 | towo^work | no wonder then |
| 13:35.58 | anotherus3r | why? |
| 13:36.14 | towo^work | unetbootin does not support isohybrid propper |
| 13:36.24 | towo^work | that's why it is not recommend |
| 13:36.46 | petn-randall | !unetbootin |
| 13:36.46 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 13:37.11 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: Likely it broke a bunch of other things. I might just start over and install again. |
| 13:37.29 | anotherus3r | So how should I do? |
| 13:37.40 | anotherus3r | not using unetbootin? |
| 13:37.44 | BluesKaj | unetbootin doesn't create a proper image on a usb a lot of the time ..check out dd anotherus3r |
| 13:38.14 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: The release notes have instructions on how to prepare the image safely on any platform. |
| 13:38.17 | petn-randall | !release notes |
| 13:38.18 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <install guide>. |
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| 13:47.49 | magonick | Hello everybody! Has anyone ever tried to install ros on Debian stretch? I cannot find a way to make it work. |
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| 13:49.40 | anotherus3r | what is isohybrid propper? |
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| 13:51.36 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: I cant find where on how to prepare the image safely on any platform? |
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| 13:52.26 | BluesKaj | anotherus3r: research dd |
| 13:52.30 | zykotick9 | anotherus3r: if you are using windows, see "/msg dpkg win32diskimages" |
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| 13:52.55 | anotherus3r | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, anotherus3r |
| 13:52.59 | zykotick9 | s/win32diskimages/win32diskimager/ <- sorry |
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| 13:53.42 | petn-randall | !install guide |
| 13:53.42 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/installmanual . See also <errata>, <jessie release notes>. |
| 13:53.59 | anotherus3r | so I cant really use unetbootin, why not? |
| 13:54.04 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: Sorry, this is the right documentation ^^^ |
| 13:54.15 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: Because it breaks the image. |
| 13:54.42 | BluesKaj | anotherus3r: read the posts above about unetbootin |
| 13:54.52 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: All you need to do is a byte-by-byte copy of the image to USB. unetbootin doesn't do that. |
| 13:55.06 | BluesKaj | dd |
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| 13:55.18 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: Even if I select an distro from the list and do not own .iso? |
| 13:55.19 | BluesKaj | does |
| 13:55.50 | petn-randall | BluesKaj: cp does that, too, without having to define a block size. |
| 13:56.05 | BluesKaj | gives up for now |
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| 13:56.26 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: No idea, since there are better tools available. |
| 13:56.37 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: What tools? |
| 13:56.45 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: Read the link I gave you. |
| 13:56.53 | BluesKaj | petn-randall: not gonna sdebate cp vs dd right now :-) |
| 13:57.03 | petn-randall | :) |
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| 13:57.19 | BluesKaj | we did that already |
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| 14:03.08 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: What step is this about? I cant find anything about it. |
| 14:03.18 | magonick | does anyone know why libvtk-java is not available in debian stretch? |
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| 14:03.44 | istevenmon | hi guys, what is currently being deployed as the facto web server? apache or nginx? or is it other alternative ? |
| 14:04.08 | coke | often both |
| 14:04.22 | FinalX | you have to choose yourself, what works best for you. |
| 14:04.34 | FinalX | choices are also not limited to apache httpd (it's called httpd, not apache) or nginx |
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| 14:05.02 | FinalX | both have nice support here on freenode, though. in #httpd and #nginx respectively |
| 14:05.18 | istevenmon | thanks! |
| 14:05.33 | FinalX | I use both and I'm in both channels as well :) |
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| 14:07.59 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: So Win32 Disk Imager would do the work for me? |
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| 14:09.29 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: If you're using windows, yes. |
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| 14:10.47 | FinalX | I wonder though, what made Debian eventually give in to the continous misnaming of Apache HTTP Server (httpd) into just calling it Apache :) |
| 14:10.59 | FinalX | Everyone knows what you mean with it, but it's technically still incorrect. |
| 14:11.42 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: petn-randall: So select Stable_NetInstall from the list in unetbootin would not give me the same as download the netinstall.iso and copy files to USB with Win32 Disk Imager? |
| 14:11.46 | FinalX | On RedHat and some other distro's it was always just called httpd (even the process :P) |
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| 14:12.19 | r4co0n | FinalX, I think httpd sounds like it is the only thing that is able to do that, therefore I like the Debian naming convention |
| 14:12.59 | r4co0n | FinalX, though you have to get your head around this when working with official Apache Documentation. |
| 14:13.01 | FinalX | r4co0n: yeah, I also believe that to be the case :) |
| 14:13.52 | FinalX | well, the projects that Apache does (including Subversion!) are <project>.apache.org after all :) so, like, httpd.apache.org |
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| 14:14.29 | FinalX | ...I also do believe the httpd name is very confusing, though.. and I also like Debian's naming convention for it |
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| 14:15.22 | r4co0n | FinalX, apache was the founding product of apache foundation |
| 14:15.45 | setuid | Same query as yesterday: Has anyone successfully managed to get preseed to work installing grub-pc without prompting? |
| 14:17.34 | FinalX | r4co0n: hm, yeah, I guess :) |
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| 14:23.20 | r4co0n | setuid, do you have a bug for this open? I have also managed to *not* fully automate the install using preseed ;) |
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| 14:23.37 | hatesec | hi |
| 14:23.48 | setuid | There's a few I've found in searching, basically if you use grub or lilo, you're going to get prompted, period. |
| 14:24.05 | setuid | There's absolutely no way to do a 100% fully automated install with preseed, without an interactive prompt |
| 14:24.31 | setuid | I've even tried skipping grub and doing the partman commands directly in my preseed, debconf still prompts me |
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| 14:25.46 | r4co0n | setuid, I would need to dig into this again - But I remember that there was some prompt remaining in my last preseed configuration - Which defeats the purpose of preseeding for me. |
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| 14:26.44 | setuid | r4co0n: I've done about 1,300 builds in the last couple of days, using every single possible option to get grub to install without that damn confirmation window "You are about to install grub-pc... [Ok]" |
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| 14:26.54 | setuid | Not a single option works, even leaving no grub on the drive |
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| 14:29.35 | r4co0n | setuid, did you find a recent bug report? If so, add your experience to it, if not, open another one? |
| 14:30.08 | r4co0n | setuid, If I'm not mistaken, principially any prompt in d-i can be preseeded using the right configuration option. |
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| 14:31.11 | setuid | r4co0n: That's true for every single prompt, except grub |
| 14:31.37 | r4co0n | setuid, sounds even more like a bug now. |
| 14:31.40 | setuid | You can't preseed that one away, under any parittioning scheme (raid, standard, lvm) or any bootloader (grub, lilo), whether using native commands or late_commadn |
| 14:32.35 | setuid | I even tried shunting all prompts critical and under, still prompts |
| 14:32.45 | setuid | I need something higher than critical, but it doens't exist |
| 14:32.56 | r4co0n | setuid, leaving a stone on the enter key should solve the problem for installs where you are physically present |
| 14:33.21 | setuid | It's headless, that won't work |
| 14:33.37 | r4co0n | setuid, just joking... |
| 14:34.06 | r4co0n | setuid, have you tested if ubuntu installs without that prompt? |
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| 14:34.27 | setuid | r4co0n: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xjt7lawxrwtml8k/Screenshot_2017-04-18_10-32-59.png?dl=0 |
| 14:34.48 | setuid | r4co0n: Both behave exactly the same, tried using xenial, same issue |
| 14:35.24 | setuid | I've tried: d-i grub-installer/bootdev string (hd0,1) # fails, still prompts |
| 14:35.33 | r4co0n | setuid, interesting. And you really can't preseed the GRUB install device? |
| 14:35.35 | setuid | I've tried: d-i grub-installer/bootdev string /dev/sda # fails, still prompts |
| 14:35.46 | r4co0n | setuid, I see... |
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| 14:36.34 | r4co0n | setuid, with "d-i grub-installer/skip boolean true" and "d-i lilo-installer/skip boolean true" it is still promptiung? |
| 14:36.37 | setuid | also tried: grub-pc grub-pc/install_devices string /dev/sda # fails, still prompts |
| 14:36.46 | setuid | r4co0n: I'll tst that now, one sec |
| 14:37.12 | r4co0n | setuid, this should install no bootloader, which you may be able to fix in late commands |
| 14:37.16 | setuid | Also using: grub-installer grub-installer/grub2_instead_of_grub_legacy boolean true |
| 14:37.27 | setuid | ^ fails also |
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| 14:39.30 | nagibu | how do I install gcc-5 on debian stretch? I need to run cuda 8 |
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| 14:40.04 | setuid | nagibu: kvm |
| 14:40.30 | nagibu | setuid: what is it? |
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| 14:43.13 | setuid | nagibu: Install the latest debian in a vm, then use gcc-5 there |
| 14:43.36 | setuid | r4co0n: Even with those two options skipped, grub-pc still tries to install |
| 14:43.45 | setuid | same exact error message as in the above screenshot |
| 14:44.01 | setuid | I think this is a bug or a dependency forcing grub-pc to install before the preseed gets to tell it noit to |
| 14:44.20 | nagibu | setuid: is it the only way? I will probably try to install it from source |
| 14:44.35 | setuid | nagibu: Use fakeroot or chroot |
| 14:44.40 | r4co0n | setuid, that may be the case. Please report this and post a link here so I can share my experience too |
| 14:44.57 | setuid | And remember, *NEVER EVER* build software in the source tree, or as root |
| 14:45.28 | setuid | r4co0n: I tried getting the questions.dat file and parsing out what was used to build it, then pulling those back into the preseed, still prompts |
| 14:45.55 | setuid | ..from /var/log/installer/cdebconf/ |
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| 14:46.05 | setuid | whoa, ok, this is weird |
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| 14:46.41 | setuid | r4co0n: So with grub and lilo skipped via your suggested preseed commands, it prompts to install grub-pc, I choose /dev/sda from the next screen, install that, then the VERY next screen, tells me that no bootloader has been installed |
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| 14:47.13 | r4co0n | setuid, we are still missing one preseed command, it seems. |
| 14:47.26 | setuid | I have an idea |
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| 14:48.02 | r4co0n | setuid, preseeding needs better documentation, we maybe should try to provide this. |
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| 14:50.46 | r4co0n | setuid, try "debconf-get-selections | grep grub2 " on the installed system to see the preseed answers provided. |
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| 14:55.03 | setuid | r4co0n: I've beat up preseed quite a bit for my automated maas install, just that there is a lot of lore around some options, and the mechanisms to bypass/override them isn't clear, some work with late_ commands, some with 'skip' options, it's not consistent, or clear |
| 14:55.37 | setuid | I'd even consider making a preseed builder tool where you choose what you want the installer to do, and it'll build a working preseed for you: (o) normal ( ) raid ( ) lvm, etc. |
| 14:55.47 | setuid | a web-based tool to generate a working preseed |
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| 14:57.43 | lowin | How can I see the history of installed/uninstalled packages? |
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| 14:58.04 | r4co0n | setuid, I did a rudimentary tool in python that works on a preseed template |
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| 14:58.42 | r4co0n | setuid, I can send it to you if you want to check if it is a useful base. |
| 14:59.06 | setuid | r4co0n: https://www.dropbox.com/s/y9uze7554v12sxv/Screenshot_2017-04-18_10-58-27.png?dl=0 |
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| 14:59.55 | r4co0n | setuid, do you still skip grub-installer ? |
| 14:59.58 | setuid | That's with: 'd-i debconf/priority string critical', 'd-i grub-installer/skip boolean true' and 'd-i lilo-installer/skip boolean true' |
| 15:00.16 | setuid | checking something, I wonder if my default package list asserts grub, even though I tell it not to |
| 15:00.27 | setuid | 'd-i pkgsel/include string openssh-server build-essential linux-generic-lts-xenial' |
| 15:00.47 | r4co0n | setuid, that should not pull in grub - From looking at it |
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| 15:01.37 | r4co0n | setuid, try to finish the install and then look at "dpkg-get-selections" if there is anything about grub2 configured that you were missing. |
| 15:01.57 | setuid | Testing a build without any package selections, let's see what happens |
| 15:02.17 | setuid | I may be able to inject a bootargs that asserts root=/dev/sda1 instead |
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| 15:15.54 | brenlae | so i installed debian stretch and i have no problems thus far |
| 15:15.58 | brenlae | using the MATE desktop |
| 15:15.59 | brenlae | :) |
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| 15:16.16 | BluesKaj | ugh ;-) |
| 15:16.22 | brenlae | :p |
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| 15:17.48 | brenlae | anyway, bye all |
| 15:17.49 | brenlae | :) |
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| 15:23.02 | bestucan | script |
| 15:23.46 | setuid | "I came here to say I have no problems whatsoever. Bye." :) |
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| 15:27.34 | jelly | nice to hear anyway! |
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| 15:28.00 | wondiws | does debian support USB ethernet adapters? |
| 15:28.07 | johnkeates | yes |
| 15:28.11 | johnkeates | but not with non-free firmware |
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| 15:28.39 | greycat | If they require non-free firmware, you can probably install it. It just won't be installed by default. |
| 15:28.43 | wondiws | johnkeates, not with free firmware I guess? |
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| 15:29.55 | jelly | wondiws: many of the cheap devices just work, some need firmware, some are not supported (yet) |
| 15:30.55 | invizus | i am puzzled, I just pinged IP in remote network and the tunnel came up? I think it did because of ... that.. |
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| 15:31.10 | wondiws | jelly, this one works on the computer I'm on now I see now, but not on the one I intend to use it on, but I did install some firmware in the past for my wireless, I selected a few until it worked, so probably it included the wired one I just plugged in :P |
| 15:31.15 | invizus | if there only was a cmd in ASA which I could find easy on internet to trigger tunnel up.. |
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| 15:33.05 | wondiws | jelly, hmm, maybe I did just install only my wireless firmware, because I don't see anything that resembles the realtek usb adapter I'm using now |
| 15:34.53 | wondiws | jelly, hmm, how do I find out how to get it to work on my ultrabook: it's kinda urgent, I upgraded to sid, but right now the kernel and udev and whatnot are missing and my wireless went down as well, I would like to install those before rebooting :P |
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| 15:35.16 | jelly | wondiws: well, see what lsusb says about it, and what dmesg says on the machine where it works |
| 15:35.37 | jelly | wondiws: why did you go sid in the first place? |
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| 15:36.03 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 15:36.03 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:36.19 | wondiws | jelly, I suspect I get more recent versions of the software I use? |
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| 15:36.32 | wondiws | jelly, but my question is not related to sid |
| 15:36.45 | jelly | right, but your installation is not stable |
| 15:36.48 | petn-randall | It is if you're running it. |
| 15:36.55 | jelly | or oldstable |
| 15:36.58 | wondiws | petn-randall, not yet ;) |
| 15:37.02 | jelly | or frozen testing |
| 15:38.08 | jelly | "kernel and udev and whatnot are missing" usually happens when one does not read apt(itude) saying it's going to remove lots of packages |
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| 15:38.36 | wondiws | jelly, I did read that |
| 15:38.46 | jelly | but still went with it |
| 15:38.49 | wondiws | jelly, but I will install them again |
| 15:38.57 | wondiws | jelly, I didn't anticipate my network issue |
| 15:40.11 | jelly | yeah well. If you're able to, ask in the right place for sid, there are more people with relevant experience there |
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| 15:40.37 | wondiws | jelly, later perhaps, maybe I just get this ethernet adapter to work |
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| 15:40.55 | wondiws | or I can setup wifi with the commandline tools like I did in ancient past |
| 15:41.04 | wondiws | jelly, and I'm not invited to that channel ;) |
| 15:41.46 | jelly | that's no excuse |
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| 15:42.42 | petn-randall | wondiws: Read dpkg's message agin. |
| 15:42.55 | wondiws | petn-randall, what message? |
| 15:43.07 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 15:43.08 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:43.11 | petn-randall | wondiws: ^^^ |
| 15:43.43 | jelly | I thought they read it the first time and were commenting in jest |
| 15:43.47 | wondiws | petn-randall, oh yeah, I read half of it, but I did read I had to go to oftc.net ;) |
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| 15:45.00 | wondiws | jelly, oh, I get it, the modules are gone in this transitioning stage |
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| 15:50.27 | anotherus3r | hi :) |
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| 15:50.51 | anotherus3r | KDE vs mate? 25/5000 |
| 15:50.54 | anotherus3r | I can not decide |
| 15:51.05 | cronic | i3 ! |
| 15:51.11 | jelly | wondiws: probably "set up networking _before_ doing a release upgrade" |
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| 15:51.32 | dontknow | anotherus3r, on jessie? |
| 15:51.36 | anotherus3r | dontknow: yes |
| 15:51.50 | wondiws | jelly, didn't think about it |
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| 15:51.54 | dontknow | xfce :D |
| 15:51.59 | jelly | wondiws: this is often worked around by requiring kernel package be upgraded first or before most packages. Was the case for lenny->squeeze, maybe squeeze->wheezy too. |
| 15:52.05 | anotherus3r | dontknow: why? :D |
| 15:52.22 | dontknow | it is so stable and minimal |
| 15:52.57 | cronic | dontknow: anotherus3r: If you wanna discuss about wms, i fell in love with i3. tiling ftw |
| 15:53.25 | dontknow | i don't like wm |
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| 15:53.33 | jelly | wondiws: things you may have also lost on the way: ifupdown package |
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| 15:57.48 | wondiws | jelly, thanks in front ;) |
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| 15:58.16 | anotherus3r | dontknow: so you wont proper mate for nvidia gtx 1060 6GB graphic card? |
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| 15:59.32 | dontknow | anotherus3r, hmm, i don2t think gtx 1060 would work fine on jessie. correct me if i am wrong |
| 15:59.50 | dontknow | i think jessie is older than that card |
| 16:00.06 | anotherus3r | dontknow: why not? :) |
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| 16:00.38 | dontknow | because jessie didn't get updates for that card? |
| 16:01.00 | cronic | dontknow: wm = windowmanager, you are using one if you have xfce :D |
| 16:01.09 | anotherus3r | dontknow: jessie-backports got nvidia-driver? :) |
| 16:01.16 | petn-randall | It *might* work with the right stuff from jessie-backports, though new cards are always a gamble. |
| 16:01.35 | dontknow | cronic, but i have title :D |
| 16:01.40 | dontknow | atleast |
| 16:01.44 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: I just did install again, and now I have network-manager+mate instead of KDE :) |
| 16:02.11 | anotherus3r | I really like mate, i dont know why :D |
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| 16:03.02 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: Congrats! Glad it worked this time. |
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| 16:03.19 | crash_ | anotherus3r: mate is awesome :) |
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| 16:04.37 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: I dont know why, But my /etc/resolv.conf keep the same after I change it. somehow dhcp dont keep changing it back to ISP DNS servers. Do you know why? |
| 16:05.02 | anotherus3r | Now also the /etc/resolv.conf say # Generated by NetworkManager |
| 16:05.15 | anotherus3r | Because I got networkmanger installed |
| 16:05.36 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: Yes, use network-manager to configure you openvpn tunnel, and configure the DNS manually there. |
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| 16:05.55 | dontknow | anotherus3r, after editing resolv.conf use chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:06.12 | petn-randall | dontknow: That will break a lot of other things. |
| 16:06.19 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: But do you know why it keep the same DNS servers? You remember before, it keep changing them? |
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| 16:06.50 | anotherus3r | dontknow: thanks for you advice |
| 16:07.10 | dontknow | petn-randall, i dunno. i use it like that |
| 16:07.14 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: /etc/resolv.conf is not a file you should edit manually. Use the proper tools at hand. |
| 16:07.26 | petn-randall | dontknow: Until you change networks and nothing works anymore. |
| 16:08.09 | anotherus3r | petn-randall: In networkmanger applet? |
| 16:08.19 | petn-randall | anotherus3r: yes |
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| 16:10.36 | modles | hi all, any arbian peeps here? |
| 16:10.43 | modles | having a wierd issue of no mouse/keyboard control |
| 16:10.52 | petn-randall | !armbian |
| 16:10.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, armbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for several <ARM> processors. Armbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. |
| 16:11.00 | modles | doh |
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| 16:11.08 | petn-randall | modles: :/ |
| 16:11.25 | modles | ok so if i had the same issue in debian, what would be worth checking? ;) |
| 16:11.30 | petn-randall | modles: I was hoping there'd be a IRC channel I could point you to. |
| 16:11.43 | modles | there is but no-one there |
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| 16:12.02 | petn-randall | modles: Feel free to ask if you can reproduce it on Debian. |
| 16:12.20 | modles | everything is working perfect just no mouse of keyboard, yet they show up fine in lsusb |
| 16:12.28 | dontknow | <modles> ok so if i had the same issue in debian, what would be worth checking? (fair question) |
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| 16:24.17 | anotherus3r | randall you here? |
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| 16:25.24 | digi9 | Quick question: if I want to get every linux-image-*-amd64*.deb Debian has had available in their repos for the last, say, 5 years, is snapshot.debian.org the best option? |
| 16:25.35 | digi9 | looks like /pool/main/l/linux has the kernel images |
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| 16:28.29 | anotherus3r | I will reinstall debian with encrypted LVM. Do I need Erasing data (overwriting with random data to prevent meta-information leaks from the encrypted volume) again? |
| 16:28.56 | anotherus3r | Is it necessary? |
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| 16:29.38 | anotherus3r | I already did it before once. |
| 16:29.49 | dontknow | it is not necessary then |
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| 16:30.01 | dontknow | i remember reading that |
| 16:30.11 | anotherus3r | dontknow: Are you sure my friend? :) |
| 16:30.22 | dontknow | %85 :D |
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| 16:30.37 | anotherus3r | Anyone who can confirm please? :D |
| 16:30.46 | anotherus3r | dontknow: Where did you read it? |
| 16:31.20 | dontknow | anotherus3r, it is possible in debian installation. but i am not sure |
| 16:31.34 | dontknow | or arch wiki |
| 16:31.48 | dontknow | let's think about it |
| 16:31.58 | dontknow | you overwritten it with random data |
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| 16:32.18 | dontknow | after that all of the information you put there will be encrypted |
| 16:33.02 | digi9 | anotherus3r: it's not necessary |
| 16:33.06 | anotherus3r | dontknow: so erasing data again would make no sense? |
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| 16:33.09 | n4dir | if you already overwrote the previous data, overwriting it again doesn't seem to make sense |
| 16:33.22 | anotherus3r | oh ok :) |
| 16:33.27 | dontknow | :D |
| 16:33.44 | anotherus3r | dontknow: you should try mate :D |
| 16:33.51 | anotherus3r | its awesome dude |
| 16:33.56 | anotherus3r | btw |
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| 16:34.03 | dontknow | no. i am on kde plasma now. it is great |
| 16:34.47 | dontknow | i set it transparent theme. it looks amazing |
| 16:34.57 | anotherus3r | yea I really like KDE too |
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| 16:36.33 | dontknow | i didn't rewrite the data when encrypting |
| 16:36.48 | anotherus3r | dontknow: not even once? :S |
| 16:36.56 | dontknow | yes |
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| 16:37.04 | dontknow | because the drive was new |
| 16:37.32 | anotherus3r | Is there any way to tell that hard drive is really encrypted? |
| 16:37.55 | dontknow | anotherus3r, try lsblk |
| 16:38.00 | dontknow | it says crypted |
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| 16:39.44 | digi9 | anotherus3r: boot from a usb stick and try mounting the drive? |
| 16:39.44 | dontknow | or simply, it asks password lol |
| 16:39.44 | digi9 | I'm required to encrypt my laptop for work and even I didn't put this much anxiety into it |
| 16:39.44 | anotherus3r | digi9: Do you mean like rescue mode? |
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| 16:39.59 | digi9 | anotherus3r: yeah just boot the install media in rescue mode |
| 16:40.18 | anotherus3r | digi9: ok |
| 16:40.23 | anotherus3r | dontknow: http://paste.debian.net/928218/ |
| 16:40.28 | dontknow | you don't need rescue mode |
| 16:40.43 | digi9 | or, as dontknow says, if it prompts for a password at boot to unlock the volume, you're good |
| 16:41.09 | digi9 | anotherus3r: your'e good |
| 16:41.13 | dontknow | anotherus3r, yeah it is encrypted |
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| 16:41.17 | anotherus3r | thanks :) |
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| 16:42.02 | dontknow | swap 16 Gb :O |
| 16:42.14 | anotherus3r | dontknow: maybe because I got 16 GB ram? |
| 16:42.34 | anotherus3r | idk |
| 16:42.42 | dontknow | i have 8gb ram i have never seen swap is filled |
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| 16:43.08 | dontknow | and debian set it 8GB >.> |
| 16:43.32 | CarlFK | grub-install seems to get confused? by a wonky ssd id: /dev/nvme0n1p1 drive1 partition 1 grub-install /dev/nvme0n1p1 errors, ...n1 doesnt, but the box doesn't boot http://paste.ubuntu.com/24408463/ |
| 16:43.43 | anotherus3r | dontknow: I use Windows 10 besides for games and so :) |
| 16:43.56 | dontknow | :O |
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| 16:44.06 | dontknow | spyware |
| 16:44.18 | anotherus3r | dontknow: spyware? me? |
| 16:44.27 | dontknow | windows 10 |
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| 16:44.49 | anotherus3r | dontknow: it can spyware my linux? |
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| 16:45.07 | dontknow | no. but it can spy you on windows! |
| 16:45.12 | dontknow | it is tracking you |
| 16:45.25 | anotherus3r | dontknow: as i told, I use windows more for games and other stuff. :) |
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| 16:45.45 | anotherus3r | dontknow: I installed windows 10 on my SSD hard drive, if it makes any sense? |
| 16:45.56 | dontknow | they are sneaky. they even blocked windows 7 updates for new cpus |
| 16:46.05 | dontknow | anotherus3r, so? |
| 16:46.20 | dontknow | it doesn't matter what drive you do put in |
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| 16:47.01 | anotherus3r | dontknow: haha my friend :) |
| 16:47.13 | anotherus3r | dontknow: so you never use win? |
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| 16:48.03 | dontknow | yes. but i have been using gnu/linux for about 5 years |
| 16:48.11 | anotherus3r | dontknow: 80/5000 |
| 16:48.11 | anotherus3r | I expriminate and use most Linux to learn privacy and security. |
| 16:48.28 | anotherus3r | Encryption, VPN and so on. |
| 16:48.35 | dontknow | what is 80/5000 |
| 16:48.39 | anotherus3r | wrong :P |
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| 16:49.09 | `Kevin | CarlFK: if you are going to partition the nvme id suggest make an initial parition (p1) a small EFI boot partition |
| 16:49.10 | anotherus3r | dontknow: did you read? https://theintercept.com/2017/04/14/leaked-nsa-malware-threatens-windows-users-around-the-world/ |
| 16:49.32 | dontknow | anotherus3r, yes! |
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| 16:49.45 | `Kevin | CarlFK: assuming your bios is looking for efi boot |
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| 16:49.51 | anotherus3r | dontknow: thats one reason why I want to learn more about linux :) |
| 16:49.53 | dontknow | microsoft said they alredy patched them |
| 16:50.09 | CarlFK | `Kevin: I am letting the installer do whatever it does. except the installer / g-installer can't figure out how to make it boot. |
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| 16:52.38 | dontknow | anotherus3r, there is a way in gnu/linux you can passthrough one of your gpu to virtual machine windows and play games natively |
| 16:52.54 | dontknow | but it is complicated |
| 16:53.02 | anotherus3r | dontknow: oh sounds cool |
| 16:53.36 | anotherus3r | dontknow: do I need fail2ban for more security? I guess I read about this. |
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| 16:55.04 | dontknow | anotherus3r, i don2t know what it is |
| 16:55.31 | dontknow | anotherus3r, instead look for isolation stuff like firejail |
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| 16:55.55 | dontknow | you can restrict your browser with that. it is a sandbox software |
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| 16:56.47 | dontknow | anotherus3r, if you want privacy and security. first thing you should think your browser. (for home users) |
| 16:57.11 | `Kevin | CarlFK: jessie? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=785149 |
| 16:57.12 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/785149 in grub-installer (open, d-i, patch): «grub-installer: NVMe boot drives not supported»; severity: important; opened: 2015-05-12; last modified: 2017-03-20. |
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| 16:57.37 | cronic | anotherus3r: fail2ban is only neccesary if you dont have a nat router/ firewall |
| 16:57.46 | cronic | anotherus3r: e.g if you are using pppoe |
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| 16:58.01 | n4dir | would rather say if you run ssh. might be i recall fail2ban wrong |
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| 16:58.10 | cronic | anotherus3r: fail2ban is a service that detects e.g bruteforce against ssh |
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| 16:59.27 | cronic | anotherus3r: if i followed correctly you are using debien on desktop env - so fail2ban is not needed (if you dont run public internet services w your device) |
| 16:59.47 | cronic | *ian |
| 16:59.55 | anotherus3r | cronic: ok |
| 17:00.53 | anotherus3r | Should I run UFW? |
| 17:01.49 | cronic | anotherus3r: if you take care of security, think about encfs, browser jail/sandbox, maybe vpn, maybe lvm decryption. Most important (imho) is that you are not browsing/working as root. |
| 17:01.58 | `Kevin | anotherus3r: not if you want to learn actual linux :P go with iptables and learn that |
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| 17:02.15 | cronic | +1 `Kevin |
| 17:03.06 | anotherus3r | cronic: you really mean lvm encryption not decryption, right? :) |
| 17:03.09 | cronic | anotherus3r: these are security mechanism that you need for server. Could be/ is important if you are using public infrastructure. |
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| 17:03.28 | anotherus3r | cronic: no server for me right now :) |
| 17:03.29 | cronic | anotherus3r: my bad. |
| 17:03.31 | dontknow | i got disconnected |
| 17:03.38 | anotherus3r | dontknow: wb |
| 17:04.11 | anotherus3r | cronic: How do I browser jail/sandbox? |
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| 17:04.24 | anotherus3r | `Kevin: thanks |
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| 17:04.53 | edi | hi, is it possible on a stable (jessie) install to use (in this case openjdk) packages from the unstable branch ? |
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| 17:05.34 | nkuttler | !tell edi about backports |
| 17:05.44 | greycat | ,v openjdk-8-jre |
| 17:05.45 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jre on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u121-b13-1~bpo8+1; sid: 8u121-b13-4; stretch: 8u121-b13-4 |
| 17:05.57 | dontknow | anotherus3r, install firejail package |
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| 17:06.16 | nkuttler | ,v openjdk-9-jre |
| 17:06.17 | judd | Package: openjdk-9-jre on amd64 -- sid: 9~b161-1 |
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| 17:07.06 | greycat | ,checkbackport openjdk-9-jre |
| 17:07.06 | anotherus3r | dontknow: Do I need to configure it? |
| 17:07.09 | judd | Backporting package openjdk-9-jre in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: g++-6, jtreg (>= 4.2-b03-1~). |
| 17:07.19 | greycat | So, "no". |
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| 17:08.06 | mac` | hello all, any ideas how i can fix scramble characters on the web? when i change to different languages it scrambles the letters |
| 17:08.16 | edi | dah, thanks :-) |
| 17:08.20 | nkuttler | mac`: install the necessary fonts? |
| 17:08.39 | dontknow | anotherus3r, after that create a folder in your home. and start firefox with "firejail --private=~/foldername firefox" |
| 17:08.50 | jelly | g++-6 is probably not strict as much as "default gcc version", but who knows what that jtreg thing is |
| 17:08.50 | mac` | i am selecting russian and it's scrambling the letters |
| 17:09.08 | nkuttler | mac`: yeah.. do you have a cyrillic font installed? |
| 17:09.19 | mac` | thank you let me look and see |
| 17:09.21 | dontknow | anotherus3r, this way you can restrict you firefox from your real home |
| 17:10.05 | anotherus3r | dontknow: create a folder in my home? what folder? :) |
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| 17:10.42 | anotherus3r | ah |
| 17:10.50 | dontknow | anotherus3r, just create any folder and name it |
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| 17:11.25 | dontknow | if you want disposable clean firefox you can use "firejail --private firefox" |
| 17:11.30 | mac` | nkuttler xfonts-cyrillic all 1:1.0.3 is installed |
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| 17:12.03 | nkuttler | mac`: did you just install it, or.. ? |
| 17:12.27 | mac` | i just installed it |
| 17:12.40 | nkuttler | mac`: you should probably restart x then |
| 17:12.47 | anotherus3r | dontknow: so what I understand, I should add firejail --private firefox |
| 17:12.50 | mac` | they're so many cyrillic when i searched |
| 17:12.52 | anotherus3r | dontknow: To command? |
| 17:13.05 | mac` | i am not using x i am on the server |
| 17:13.18 | mac` | for the server? which one do i need to install |
| 17:13.24 | mac` | let me go head and remove the x |
| 17:13.30 | nkuttler | um, what? |
| 17:13.48 | nkuttler | < mac`> i am selecting russian and it's scrambling the letters |
| 17:13.56 | nkuttler | how do you select, and what is "it" ? |
| 17:13.57 | greycat | The font would need to be installed on the machine where you run the web browser that tries to display those characters. |
| 17:13.57 | mac` | indeed, on the website |
| 17:14.00 | dontknow | anotherus3r, yeah, in terminal. for disposable. if you want persistent use "firejail --private=~/foldername firefox" |
| 17:14.10 | greycat | NOT on the web server. |
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| 17:14.13 | dontknow | that way your profile will be persistent |
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| 17:16.24 | anotherus3r | dontknow: What is different between firejail firefox and firejail --private firefox? |
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| 17:17.00 | dontknow | anotherus3r, i dunno :p |
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| 17:17.58 | dontknow | but i think firejail firefox uses your real home or something |
| 17:18.56 | dontknow | anotherus3r, look at man firejail |
| 17:19.02 | CarlFK | `Kevin: thanks for that bug url - stretch net install, so looks like I have something to report |
| 17:19.23 | anotherus3r | dontknow: So after I run firefail and firefox opened and then close firefox. Do I have to run the firefail command again? |
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| 17:20.30 | dontknow | anotherus3r, you can edit your firefox shortcut with that command. but i don't know how on mate |
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| 17:20.56 | OtakuSenpai | ,v tor |
| 17:20.57 | judd | Package: tor on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.2.4.27-1; wheezy-security: 0.2.4.27-3; jessie: 0.2.5.12-4; jessie-security: 0.2.5.12-4; jessie-backports: 0.2.9.9-1~bpo8+1; sid: 0.2.9.10-1; stretch: 0.2.9.10-1; experimental: 0.3.0.5-rc-1 |
| 17:21.33 | OtakuSenpai | what is the pacakage name? |
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| 17:21.48 | anotherus3r | dontknow: --private Mount new /root and /home/user directories in temporary filesysâ tems. All modifications are discarded when the sandbox is closed. |
| 17:22.25 | dontknow | anotherus3r, yeah. disposable |
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| 17:22.45 | anotherus3r | dontknow: I just closed firefox, but firejail is still running. 1 pts/3 S 0:00 firejail |
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| 17:23.11 | dontknow | it shouldn't |
| 17:23.46 | dontknow | and you have old version of firejail in jessie. i think newer version is in backports |
| 17:25.07 | anotherus3r | dontknow: I should run firejail as normal user, right? |
| 17:25.22 | dontknow | anotherus3r, right |
| 17:25.34 | anotherus3r | dontknow: http://paste.debian.net/928225/ |
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| 17:26.15 | anotherus3r | lol I removed firejail but it still running :P |
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| 17:26.21 | anotherus3r | 1 pts/3 S 0:00 firejail |
| 17:26.51 | anotherus3r | I cant even kill it with kill -9 1 |
| 17:27.17 | dontknow | anotherus3r, does firefox run in sanboxed mode? |
| 17:27.30 | anotherus3r | dontknow: no firefox opened |
| 17:28.12 | dontknow | i have no idea |
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| 17:29.08 | anotherus3r | kill 1, Child received signal 15, shutting down the sandbox... |
| 17:29.12 | anotherus3r | Parent is shutting down, bye... |
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| 17:30.04 | dontknow | i thought you were noob |
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| 17:30.26 | dontknow | lol |
| 17:31.27 | anotherus3r | /usr/bin/xprop -root -spy |
| 17:31.30 | anotherus3r | what is this? :/ |
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| 17:32.08 | jelly | anotherus3r: what does "man xprop" say? |
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| 17:32.27 | anotherus3r | -spy Examine window properties forever, looking for property change events. |
| 17:33.13 | anotherus3r | jelly: why it spy on me? :) |
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| 17:33.28 | jelly | anotherus3r: you started it, probably |
| 17:33.33 | anotherus3r | no |
| 17:33.37 | jelly | anotherus3r: what's the parent process? |
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| 17:33.52 | anotherus3r | 1368 ? S 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/start-pulseaudio-x11 |
| 17:34.05 | anotherus3r | sorry |
| 17:34.06 | anotherus3r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:34.53 | jelly | anotherus3r: use a ps syntax that actually shows you PPID, eg: ps -fp 1369 |
| 17:35.08 | jelly | or a nicer tool like pstree |
| 17:35.26 | anotherus3r | unknown 1369 1368 0 18:12 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/xprop -root -spy |
| 17:35.39 | jelly | so 1368 started it. |
| 17:36.16 | jelly | anotherus3r: now go read the code in /usr/bin/start-pulseaudio-x11 shell script |
| 17:36.24 | jelly | see what it does. |
| 17:37.56 | anotherus3r | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/928228/ it may be this part? |
| 17:37.58 | jelly | anotherus3r: it seems to start xprop that waits forever, as a way to wait while X is running, and only finish when X root window (that is, the whole X session) is done |
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| 17:38.58 | anotherus3r | jelly: what does this mean for privacy and security? |
| 17:39.11 | jelly | anotherus3r: absolutely nothing |
| 17:39.34 | anotherus3r | dontknow: jessie backports installed me the same version of firejail firejail (0.9.44.8-1~bpo8+1) |
| 17:39.43 | anotherus3r | jelly: ok thanks |
| 17:40.11 | jelly | anotherus3r: you wanted to start pulseaudio in this session, and this is how it works. |
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| 17:40.39 | dontknow | anotherus3r, i think it is the latest version |
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| 17:41.32 | jelly | anotherus3r: play with xprop, see what it does: start "xprop", it changes the cursor to a cross, then cliock into an open window. You'll get some (interesting?) information about that X window. That's what xprop does. |
| 17:42.07 | dontknow | anotherus3r, i have the same version in testing |
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| 18:01.48 | die7 | does make sense to create with fdisk partitions inside ov lv? |
| 18:01.51 | die7 | *of |
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| 18:05.10 | jelly | die7: your question does not really parse, can you rephrase? |
| 18:05.11 | jelly | !ask |
| 18:05.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 18:07.29 | die7 | jelly: I have one HDD which is in VG01, lv created DATA, now I do not wish to make it smaller/resize/recerate it can stay as it is ... I wish to create 3 paririons iside lv_data with fdisk as disk1/disk2/disk3 |
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| 18:09.11 | jelly | die7: don't do that. |
| 18:09.57 | jelly | if you don't want to shrink the filesystem and LV, make a new smaller LV and filesystem and migrate data. |
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| 18:10.59 | die7 | jelly: what speaks against? |
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| 18:14.25 | jelly | die7: LVM is already a system to manage block devices and their sizes, no need to build on top. Furthermore, you'd have to migrate data anyway if you wanted to slice a LV into smaller pieces. |
| 18:14.56 | die7 | jelly: I see, ok thank you |
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| 18:15.46 | jelly | and if you don't have any data on it right now, then there's no reason to avoid re-creating and reformatting |
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| 18:16.17 | anotherus3r | jelly: When I run "xprop" it give me some text output, no open window. |
| 18:16.20 | die7 | jelly: unf. I have (or bett the customer) |
| 18:16.22 | anotherus3r | dontknow: ok |
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| 18:17.24 | jelly | die7: then you can't "partition" anything anyway :-) |
| 18:17.36 | jelly | anotherus3r: right. |
| 18:18.04 | anotherus3r | jelly: you say something about "then click into an open window" |
| 18:18.32 | jelly | anotherus3r: it doesn't open a window. It just changes the cursor, then YOU pick a window that is already open, and click into it |
| 18:19.14 | jelly | and then you get some info about the window you clicked on |
| 18:19.30 | jelly | (as standard output of xprop command) |
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| 18:26.44 | Devastator | !abnt2 |
| 18:26.51 | Devastator | hum, no factoid |
| 18:26.53 | Devastator | sorryy |
| 18:27.24 | Devastator | what is the easiest way to reconfigure keymap? dpkg-reconfigure ...? |
| 18:28.39 | towo` | Devastator, dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
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| 18:32.32 | Devastator | towo^work thank you |
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| 18:34.02 | Devastator | towo^work do I have to reboot after changing the keymap? |
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| 18:40.56 | Devastator | well, rebooting solved :) |
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| 18:43.16 | korzybski | Good morning. How can I tell if I have "zlib" installed on Debian 8? |
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| 18:44.31 | armin | korzybski: tried this? dpkg -l | grep zlib |
| 18:46.26 | greycat | if you're trying to compile something, you probably want zlib1g-dev |
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| 18:48.27 | korzybski | armin: I see the 2 packages I want with that command, zlib1g and zlib1g-dev. TY! |
| 18:48.40 | korzybski | I was typing which zlib1g and not getting anything. |
| 18:50.52 | armin | korzybski: the which command will locate a program in your $PATH |
| 18:51.30 | korzybski | armin: Ah. So... zlib isn't a program as-such? |
| 18:52.03 | greycat | you can use 'dpkg -L zlib1g' to see a list of files in the package |
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| 18:54.15 | armin | korzybski: no. also notice what greycat wrote. |
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| 18:57.17 | korzybski | Thanks you two. |
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| 19:39.53 | setuid | What's the best way to use sudo to source a dotfile from root's $HOME? |
| 19:40.07 | setuid | sudo . /root/foo doesn't work, no does 'sudo source /root/foo' |
| 19:40.18 | phogg | setuid: source is a builtin |
| 19:40.25 | setuid | Exactly |
| 19:40.34 | phogg | setuid: why can't you source ~root/foo directly? |
| 19:40.49 | setuid | phogg: no +r |
| 19:41.07 | phogg | setuid: if it's not readable then you should source <(sudo cat foo) |
| 19:41.15 | greycat | sudo bash -c 'source /root/foo; blah blah' |
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| 19:42.03 | setuid | greycat: Not: sudo bash -c '$(source ~/foo)'? |
| 19:42.11 | phogg | no |
| 19:42.35 | greycat | definitely not |
| 19:42.41 | phogg | setuid: my way sources the contents of the file into your current shell, greycat's way creates a new root shell that sources the file and then lets you run some more commands afterwards. |
| 19:42.45 | phogg | setuid: which one did you want? |
| 19:43.04 | setuid | I need the contents sourced into the non-root shell, not running commands as root |
| 19:43.20 | greycat | Then make a copy of it that you can read as yourself. |
| 19:43.23 | setuid | needs to clean up the history entries leaking the password into ENV vars too |
| 19:43.32 | setuid | can't make a copy, but I'll try something else |
| 19:43.33 | phogg | setuid: my I suggest making a copy or a hard link and giving it +r to your user |
| 19:43.36 | vagrant_ | hi everyone! |
| 19:43.42 | greycat | Why are you putting important crap in /root/* instead of /etc/* |
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| 19:43.48 | setuid | nope, can't make a copy, the one and only copy has to reside in root's $HOME |
| 19:43.55 | vagrant_ | anybody have luck installing intel opencl drivers? |
| 19:43.56 | greycat | setuid: why? |
| 19:43.59 | setuid | greycat: because it has a cluster password in it |
| 19:44.14 | greycat | Then why the fuck are you trying to get joehax0r to read it? |
| 19:44.29 | setuid | greycat: Because some individuals (operations team) has a need to get this info |
| 19:44.43 | greycat | Then you move it to a file that is group-readable by this team. |
| 19:45.03 | setuid | unfortunately, not an option, not my call, compliance rules and all that |
| 19:45.20 | setuid | If we move the file out of /root/, then root can't use it, and there can only be one copy, no links, no hardlinks |
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| 19:45.31 | setuid | anyway, I'll sort it |
| 19:45.32 | greycat | Quit. |
| 19:45.33 | phogg | setuid: tell your compliance idiots^Wpersonnel that access is access and doing it the wrong way doesn't make it less non-compliant |
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| 19:46.35 | phogg | setuid: did someone sign off on it being okay to give out the password as long as it's done by sudo and not in a file they can read without using sudo? |
| 19:46.43 | Cerebr0 | Hi there ! I'm having trouble with my battery, i guess the kernel doesn't recognize it, in the /sys/class/power_supply/BAT1 folder, only "basic" values |
| 19:46.52 | phogg | setuid: because I can sudo, copy the data into a new file and then read it repeatedly without any audit trail |
| 19:47.06 | Cerebr0 | Got a "0" in capacity, "Unknown" in model, "0000" in serial_number, etc... |
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| 19:49.59 | phogg | setuid: Why can't root use it when it's in /etc? Why can't you chgrp it to a shared group and leave it in /root/? |
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| 19:50.33 | vagrant_ | opencl drivers anybody? |
| 19:50.36 | greycat | phogg: the permissions of /root itself are 700 |
| 19:50.59 | greycat | so you can't leave it in /root/ |
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| 19:52.10 | setuid | phogg: the audit trail is your history entry |
| 19:52.28 | Cerebr0 | What is the package that controls all the power supply thing in debian ? |
| 19:52.53 | phogg | setuid: I can turn that off in a way that you can't easily detect, too. |
| 19:53.15 | phogg | greycat: chmod, g+rx is a thing. |
| 19:53.28 | greycat | phogg: I'm assuming he's not allowed to modify the perms of /root |
| 19:53.32 | setuid | right, and chattr +i on ~/.bash_history will override ;) |
| 19:53.36 | phogg | greycat: I guess that's likely |
| 19:54.08 | greycat | Though if for some reason he IS allowed to chmod 710 /root and chgrp it, then you can consider a whole new set of possible solutions. |
| 19:54.10 | phogg | setuid: nope, I can just clear HISTFILE. |
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| 19:54.29 | phogg | setuid: I can also possibly add a leading space, depending on how badly configured the defaults are. |
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| 19:54.56 | setuid | Every single character typed, is logged _in real time_ (including backspaces), remotely... powerbroker |
| 19:55.22 | phogg | setuid: and if HISTFILE is readonly I can *still* spawn a shell where that is not the case and you will only know that I e.g. launched /bin/sh. There's a way around everything. |
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| 19:55.44 | phogg | setuid: aha, now that is some serious business. So in that case you don't need sudo auditing. |
| 19:55.58 | setuid | Yep, that's why audit catches everything, and attempts to circumvent lead to cardboard boxes on your desk |
| 19:56.00 | greycat | sounds illegal in many countries |
| 19:56.22 | setuid | greycat: Yep, other options are probably used there, I don't have insight into that |
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| 19:56.57 | phogg | setuid: Your org must have a massive log-watching budget... |
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| 19:57.17 | phogg | has seen what happens when there are TBs of audit logs |
| 19:57.39 | setuid | No idea |
| 19:57.40 | modles | any ideas why i have no dns even when ive specified 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 in nmtui |
| 19:57.50 | setuid | modles: using network-manager? |
| 19:57.54 | modles | no |
| 19:58.04 | setuid | what's nmtui? |
| 19:58.14 | missmbob | network-manager tui interface |
| 19:58.15 | anotherus3r | hello debian users :) |
| 19:58.15 | greycat | setuid: network manager text user interface |
| 19:58.24 | modles | sorry yes i am using that |
| 19:58.26 | setuid | how is that not network-manager? :) |
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| 19:58.37 | modles | doh |
| 19:58.49 | setuid | modles: Check /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf, and disable dnsmask |
| 19:58.51 | setuid | er, dnsmasq |
| 19:58.55 | greycat | verify that the nameserver lines in /etc/resolv.conf look correct |
| 19:59.01 | setuid | #dns=dnsmasq |
| 19:59.09 | modles | dns=none |
| 19:59.22 | greycat | if resolv.conf is wrong, stab network manager with a knife until it dies |
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| 19:59.41 | phogg | or just stab it anyway |
| 20:00.09 | greycat | we have a variety of factoids describing how to work around stupid software that thinks it can auto-configure your network |
| 20:00.26 | modles | should dns=none? |
| 20:00.41 | phogg | sounds bad, but IDK what that means to nm |
| 20:00.42 | greycat | I don't know what any of those questions mean. Verify the contents of /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:00.51 | setuid | network manager isn't setting dns! Ok, let's create dnsmasq and add that! Now that's not working! Ok, let's create a new config line! That's not working. Ok, let's add a comment in nm! |
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| 20:01.31 | missmbob | seriously...please answer greycat |
| 20:01.45 | phogg | does nm set up dnsmasq by default? That sounds weird too |
| 20:01.48 | modles | im totally confused now |
| 20:01.57 | missmbob | what does resolv.conf have??? |
| 20:02.31 | modles | https://pastebin.com/HhNSPTWi |
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| 20:03.00 | phogg | modles: It's simple. /etc/resolv.conf controls your DNS lookup. NM *may* be trying to update it, or maybe something else does. If it does not have correct contents then configuration may be broken, if its contents are correct then the problem is elsewhere. |
| 20:03.32 | modles | so should i put dns=8.8.8.8 in there, as that doesnt seem to do anything either |
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| 20:03.57 | phogg | modles: in where? |
| 20:03.58 | greycat | modles: that pastebin is not a resolv.conf file |
| 20:04.14 | greycat | none of us use NM and we don't know how to make it work |
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| 20:05.20 | modles | etc/reslov.conf is blank |
| 20:05.57 | missmbob | then that's why dns isn't working. add "nameserver 8.8.8.8" without quotes in it |
| 20:05.58 | setuid | Try using the correct syntax |
| 20:06.17 | setuid | right, dns=8.8.8.8 is invalid syntax, use nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
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| 20:07.08 | greycat | I think he was trying to use the syntax of whatever that friggin' Windows INI file was that he pastebinned. |
| 20:07.14 | greycat | (Of course he did not pastebin the NAME of the file.) |
| 20:07.28 | modles | sorry being a tit |
| 20:07.29 | phogg | greycat: NM, like a lot of related tools, uses stupid Windows INI syntax. |
| 20:07.37 | greycat | So does systemd :( |
| 20:07.45 | phogg | greycat: like I said, "related tools" |
| 20:07.57 | greycat | At least it's not fucking XML. |
| 20:08.05 | phogg | I pine for XML |
| 20:08.15 | missmbob | modles: then just add new lines for every extra server. |
| 20:08.15 | greycat | Pine isn't strong enough. Try oak. |
| 20:08.23 | phogg | I'd take XML over INI, or worse yet the weird line-oriented DSL that udev rules use |
| 20:08.26 | greycat | You want to make sure it's THOROUGHLY smashed. |
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| 20:08.42 | unkmar | Just shoot me. |
| 20:08.53 | phogg | unkmar: I'd rather help you. |
| 20:09.10 | modles | ahh ffs error writing resolv.conf no such file or directory |
| 20:09.13 | unkmar | Longer version. Sometimes that you would think are easy, aren't. |
| 20:09.21 | greycat | modles: /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 20:09.37 | modles | yeah im doing /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:09.42 | phogg | unkmar: Welcome to life! I believe there are support clubs you can join for this problem. Find one that serves alcohol, that's my advice. |
| 20:10.25 | missmbob | modles: sudo nano -w /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:10.41 | greycat | sudo isn't installed by default, remember |
| 20:11.00 | unkmar | How would I setup /etc/fstab to noauto on a drive yet, when I do mount. My unkmar user has full rw access to the drive. I shouldn't have to create a subdirectory to write to. |
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| 20:11.02 | modles | i am sudo |
| 20:11.03 | modles | no different |
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| 20:11.18 | missmbob | modles: doesnt matter if it doesnt exist. create it with sudo nano |
| 20:11.28 | modles | yeah i know im doing write out |
| 20:11.31 | greycat | if you're not comfortable in an editor, you can try echo 'nameserver 8.8.8.8' >> /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:11.46 | modles | its wierd i use nano all the time but its just not letting me save |
| 20:11.58 | greycat | What error are you seeing? |
| 20:12.08 | unkmar | modles: you not owner of the file? |
| 20:12.26 | modles | Error writing /etc/resolv.conf: No such file or director |
| 20:12.44 | modles | same if i do echo 'nameserver 8.8.8.8' >> /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:12.49 | modles | -bash: /etc/resolv.conf: No such file or directory |
| 20:12.54 | greycat | Either /etc/ does not exist, which would mean you are not really booted fully in Debian, or you mistyped something. |
| 20:13.03 | phogg | unkmar: if you can create a subdir then you have rw access already. |
| 20:13.22 | modles | etc exists |
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| 20:13.38 | missmbob | and ls -l /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 20:13.44 | phogg | modles: stat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:13.48 | unkmar | phogg: I can create the subdir as root and set its ownership to unkmar:unkmar |
| 20:14.06 | modles | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.06 | modles | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.06 | modles | Device: b301h/45825d Inode: 53 Links: 1 |
| 20:14.06 | modles | Access: (0777/lrwxrwxrwx) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) |
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| 20:14.14 | phogg | unkmar: so mount, then switch to root, then chown unkmar:unkmar /mountpoint |
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| 20:14.23 | phogg | unkmar: the root of the mounted fs is then owned by you |
| 20:14.27 | greycat | modles: Ah, bad old resolvconf package. |
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| 20:15.09 | modles | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Apr 16 03:10 /etc/resolv.conf -> /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf |
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| 20:15.17 | greycat | Right, we got that from your paste before you were kicked. |
| 20:15.32 | unkmar | phogg: chown: changing ownership of âwd-1tb/â: Operation not permitted |
| 20:15.33 | greycat | You've got (or once had) the resolvconf package installed, and it makes that symlink. |
| 20:15.39 | unkmar | Wait... Duh! |
| 20:16.07 | unkmar | Sorry, I tried that as unkmar. |
| 20:16.32 | greycat | But for whatever reason, the /run/resolvconf/ directory must not exist. |
| 20:17.01 | missmbob | modles: so you can rm /etc/resolv.conf and recreate it |
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| 20:18.22 | modles | ok that worked |
| 20:18.54 | modles | cool have dns now. thanks all |
| 20:19.01 | unkmar | Thanks, I'll go now. |
| 20:19.16 | phogg | another satisfied customer |
| 20:19.23 | modles | 10/10 |
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| 20:22.47 | toruvinn | anyone running wheezy with kernel 4.10.x? |
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| 20:23.11 | vagrant_ | opencl install anybody? |
| 20:24.37 | jolt | I've only run opencl in wheezy with AMD closed source drivers, and a long time ago to that |
| 20:24.45 | jolt | But I think the installer they had worked pretty ok |
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| 20:25.10 | vagrant_ | jolt: ive been toying with intel drivers for opencl |
| 20:25.15 | vagrant_ | seems a right PITA |
| 20:25.49 | wondiws | does debian still have the "stable - testing - sid" divisions? |
| 20:25.50 | jolt | vagrant_: That was the reason I used AMD at that time, they seemed to have some ok drivers. But it was a lot of dependencies of libs etc |
| 20:25.55 | jolt | wondiws: Yes. |
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| 20:27.25 | vagrant_ | jolt: I wished i had the choice of outing the graphics for something more suited.. but then the opencl also controls the cpu from what i believe |
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| 20:27.49 | vagrant_ | long story short im trying to get it functioning for use of hashing |
| 20:27.55 | jolt | vagrant_: Sounds plausible that everything is connected with the intel stuff. Sorry, can't help you there |
| 20:28.51 | jolt | I can only recommend intence googling and trying to see if anyone has been kind enough to put something on the deb wiki. If intel doesn't have stuff on 01.org |
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| 20:31.23 | vagrant_ | jolt: ive been a resident of 01.org for a while since trying to work out this problem. Doesnt seem to be too much in regards to it on there. |
| 20:31.49 | vagrant_ | Has been a little mention of it on other places but not with the problems im facing. |
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| 20:32.12 | vagrant_ | guess its the problem i get for trying this stuff on apple hardware |
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| 20:36.28 | wondiws | I'm in the expert installer now, but I want to set a logical volume as my root, but am only given the options to format it as FAT, swap, or encrypted :S |
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| 20:45.32 | missmbob | wondiws: what's the exact name of the iso you used? |
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| 20:46.08 | wondiws | missmbob, http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
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| 20:48.28 | missmbob | wondiws: how'd you copy the iso to usb? |
| 20:49.01 | wondiws | missmbob, just dd, but I'm obviously in the installer already |
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| 20:52.00 | CarlFK | oh great grub gods... Stretch net install to "# /boot was on /dev/nvme0n1p1 during installation" is not booting. seems like https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=785149 " grub-installer: NVMe boot drives not supported" |
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| 20:52.01 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/785149 in grub-installer (open, d-i, patch): «grub-installer: NVMe boot drives not supported»; severity: important; opened: 2015-05-12; last modified: 2017-03-20. |
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| 20:52.25 | CarlFK | I'm booted into installer's rescue. anyone want to take some guesses as to how to make it boot ? |
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| 20:55.24 | missmbob | that's weird. that's a jessie bug. it's been fixed in stretch |
| 20:55.58 | greycat | The bug report says the fix was uploaded almost 2 years ago. |
| 20:56.04 | missmbob | i guess you add to the bug report? |
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| 20:58.57 | CarlFK | well.. I am not yet sure it is the same bug. so before I go sending things to those guys I would fish on IRC for someone with some time to poke at it |
| 20:59.20 | nkuttler | CarlFK: if you just want to boot you could use something like supergrub |
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| 21:00.08 | CarlFK | nkuttler: I want boot, and also stomp out bugs |
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| 21:09.31 | CarlFK | fdisk -l shows /dev/mapper/gator--vg-root is the 2 dashes in gator--vg expected? |
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| 21:11.52 | CarlFK | hmm, similar on a dev/sda kidna machine: negk--vg-root |
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| 22:20.58 | kus-n6 | hi love, I'm trying to use node js install without sudo. for this, I typed prefix = ~/.node but I get prefix command not found |
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| 22:21.32 | MinecrafMoron | HELP! ALL THE MONKEYS ARE STARVING TO DEATH! |
| 22:21.47 | kus-n6 | oh no |
| 22:22.03 | MinecrafMoron | and the Jews have chopped down the banana trees |
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| 22:22.19 | MinecrafMoron | Someone has stolen my banana machine, the magical device that makes bananas |
| 22:22.32 | MinecrafMoron | Which one of you stole the banana machine? |
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| 22:23.38 | MinecrafMoron | At some point, I will be sending a /notice to all the channels on all the networks using a Bot Net. |
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| 22:31.27 | benoit_ | kk |
| 22:31.28 | DongNet | i am awesome |
| 22:31.33 | DongNet | fat nigger |
| 22:31.45 | sypher | !ops DongNet spamming. |
| 22:31.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: sypher complains about: DongNet spamming. |
| 22:32.08 | benoit_ | trolling on #debian |
| 22:32.13 | benoit_ | your life must be empty |
| 22:33.56 | dmtd | Hi all, on KDE Neon (based on debian), and can't control spotify via MPRIS D-bus. Getting this error. Any advice? http://paste.ubuntu.com/24410357/ |
| 22:34.24 | missmbob | !based on debian |
| 22:34.24 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 22:34.52 | dmtd | got it thanks. Sorry. |
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| 22:35.38 | alekz | a Neon problem, pasted in an ubuntu tool, asking for help in a Debian channel |
| 22:35.40 | alekz | :o |
| 22:36.46 | dmtd | why does it matter what paste tool I use? haha but I get the joke |
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| 22:37.31 | missmbob | dmtd: you should try #kde-neon |
| 22:38.19 | dmtd | missmbob: Thank you so much |
| 22:40.09 | alekz | dmtd: yeah, just kidding :P |
| 22:40.47 | dmtd | alekz: :P |
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| 22:42.12 | alekz | dmtd: have you already checked this link? https://goo.gl/RbR25A |
| 22:42.21 | alekz | same problem, but marked as solved |
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| 22:51.25 | pr0t | Is there absolutely no way to install Puppet 4 on Debian 8? |
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| 22:53.16 | abrotman | pr0t: using what method? |
| 22:53.30 | pr0t | debian packages |
| 22:54.02 | missmbob | pr0t: they provide jessie packages http://apt.puppetlabs.com/pool/jessie/PC1/p/ |
| 22:54.14 | abrotman | dpkg: staples button |
| 22:54.14 | dpkg | abrotman: bugger all, i dunno |
| 22:54.48 | missmbob | pr0t: anyway, also ask in #puppet |
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| 22:59.58 | setuid | Does anyone know of a package like Dragon for Mac (voice control of apps and dictation) for Linux? |
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| 23:00.13 | setuid | Something _literally_ that simple, not something I have to write 1,000 perl and shell scripts to use |
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| 23:01.18 | setuid | There's a difference between voice control and speech recognition. I'm looking for voice control. |
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| 23:01.49 | rapha | Hi! |
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| 23:02.04 | rapha | What does "Debian+-" mean in the process list (as in https://gist.github.com/sixtyfive/b3ab4c1e45a2934018d33793dbbd0e3e) |
| 23:02.26 | setuid | This looks "close": http://www.noobslab.com/2014/06/control-your-ubuntulinux-mint-system.html |
| 23:03.14 | abrotman | missmbob: there are also jessie BPO packages AFAICT? |
| 23:03.50 | missmbob | abrotman: oh. didn't know about that |
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| 23:05.15 | abrotman | judd: versions puppet |
| 23:05.17 | judd | Package: puppet on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 2.7.23-1~deb7u3; wheezy: 2.7.23-1~deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 3.7.2-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.7.2-4; jessie-backports: 4.8.2-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.8.2-3; sid: 4.8.2-3 |
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| 23:23.27 | Epakai | rapha: I think that's the username column, the + indicates the username is longer than would fit in that column, 'grep Debian /etc/passwd' would probably give you the full username |
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| 23:24.44 | Livingroom | question: copying to external USB3 drive, using LS -LH to monitor - seems to copy in (slow) but huge blocks. shows 141m for several minutes, then jumps to 202mb. TL;DR file copy to USB3.0 HD is ungodly slow. |
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| 23:28.18 | kline | Livingroom, you said it was a question but then didnt ask anything, just make a statement |
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| 23:30.39 | Livingroom | kline: oops, sorry. update: using DD, with iflag=direct and oflag=direct, it hauls ass. but CP command takes many hours. i guess my question is "why" |
| 23:30.48 | setuid | Livingroom: Sounds like your controller buffering, or you're using an inefficient app to copy |
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| 23:30.54 | missmbob | Livingroom: sudo lshw |grep -i usb does it show capabilities as usb 2 or 3? |
| 23:31.19 | Livingroom | sudo: lshw: command not found |
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| 23:31.38 | setuid | sudo apt-get -y install lshw |
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| 23:35.09 | Livingroom | because of reasons, i will not be able to use LSHW. is there another way? |
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| 23:44.12 | jelly | Livingroom: which debian release is this, and which kernel? |
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| 23:45.15 | jelly | musta scared'em right off |
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| 23:47.04 | kline | his file finally finished copying |
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| 23:55.41 | dmtd | alekz: after some digging and debugging, I figured out the problem and posted my solution :) https://community.spotify.com/t5/Desktop-Linux-Windows-Web-Player/SOLVED-MPRIS-D-bus-play-pause-button-not-working-on-KDE-Neon/td-p/1648741 |
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