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| 00:02.31 | Papillon | hi |
| 00:02.33 | tempate | I have a port running quickbooksrds and I am not being able to close the service |
| 00:03.01 | tempate | I have tried using netsant to get the process and stop it but I am not being able to stop nginx.conf |
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| 00:04.00 | Papillon | you might try asking in ##linux |
| 00:04.12 | tempate | right, sorry |
| 00:04.34 | Papillon | no, I'm just saying you might have better luck |
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| 00:05.42 | tempate | Lets see... |
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| 00:12.08 | buu | So... I had a cifs/smb server go away while I had a share mounted from it now when I do ls /share I get "no such device", how do I tell linux that I really don't want it mounted anymore? |
| 00:12.20 | buu | oh, -f |
| 00:12.24 | buu | hurray |
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| 00:12.38 | psychoticwarrior | jerk noob 2000 |
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| 00:13.50 | bazhang | psychoticwarrior, debian support issue? |
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| 00:25.21 | Kiril | hello all |
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| 00:25.34 | Kiril | u just did dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:25.52 | Kiril | root now has a proerply set locales but /home/user still don't |
| 00:25.59 | Kiril | what is needed? |
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| 00:32.15 | somiaj | Kiril: you may have to logout/logback in to reset the variables, or just export LANG=whatever |
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| 00:36.45 | Kiril | yea :) |
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| 00:50.42 | esdwdftty | Hello. Who knows Debian 8.7 supports MPS 1.4 (1995). I install on VMWare Player (2011) v. 6.5, in VMWare Player in bios max MPS 1.4 and i see new Linux debian and based on debian not have restart. When i do restart VMWare Player freeze. 12 Ubuntu on this version VMWare Player restarted normally |
| 00:54.15 | esdwdftty | no not 12 Ubuntu, 10 Ubuntu |
| 00:55.03 | esdwdftty | 12 Ubuntu not use |
| 00:56.31 | Papillon | whatever it is I doubt it's mps. Debian almost certainly supports it and mps is somewhat vestigial. It's not used anymore, acpi has replaced it |
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| 01:05.15 | esdwdftty | with ACPI I know, but in the BIOS vmplayer 6.5 only MPS 1.1, 1.4. I don't know why not have normally restart a new version of Linux on vmplayer 6.5. I thought maybe this is due to old MPS. |
| 01:06.00 | xcko | I'm struggling with getting bitmap fonts working. I've installed some to /usr/local/share/fonts as .pcf.gz, enabled bitmap fonts through dpkg-reconfigure, and ran fc-cache -fv yet they do not show up in xfontsel. What am I missing? |
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| 01:09.55 | xcko | file permissions of the fonts are 644, as specified in the wiki |
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| 01:17.40 | esdwdftty | https://www.dropbox.com/s/q0vfp9udeo00nrn/screenshot.1.png?dl=0 |
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| 01:20.50 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 01:26.24 | zh1 | https://paste.debian.net/922748/ |
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| 01:42.21 | Huck_Fumble | hello. does anyone know if there's a way to view all the system calls made when running mount |
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| 01:42.35 | jeldr_ | hi dears! |
| 01:45.23 | abrotman | Huck_Fumble: strace ? |
| 01:45.32 | Huck_Fumble | im not sure |
| 01:45.58 | Huck_Fumble | i can try that. i'd basically like something to make it super verbose so i can see if it's executing something i'm trying to execute |
| 01:46.13 | Huck_Fumble | i'll look into using strace |
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| 02:12.00 | eldebrim | Hey |
| 02:12.13 | dvs | ho |
| 02:13.12 | Huck_Fumble | hi, if strace isnt installed on a debian system how can I track what calls the mount command is making |
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| 02:36.22 | n-iCe | d3f4alt: hi |
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| 03:35.25 | DHowett | this is likely a great mailing list topic, but: why is Debian stuck on netatalk-2? |
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| 04:00.01 | Epakai | DHowett: #685878 indicates there were some copyright issues in previous versions that may not be reported or resolved upstream. doesn't look like the maintainers have the time to handle it |
| 04:00.02 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/685878 in netatalk (open): «netatalk: newer upstream versions available»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2012-08-25; last modified: 2015-12-01. |
| 04:00.21 | DHowett | Epakai: ah, thank you |
| 04:00.26 | DHowett | I should have done my own digging :/ |
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| 18:08.04 | pgrunwald | Hmmmm - lxc is interesting... |
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| 18:10.56 | Wulf | pgrunwald: vagrant may be the quickest option |
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| 18:13.25 | pgrunwald | re vagrant - use with virtualbox? https://www.vagrantup.com/docs/getting-started/ |
| 18:13.33 | Wulf | yup |
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| 18:17.19 | zykotick9 | pgrunwald: just a sidenote, virtualbox won't be included in debian proper starting with stretch... https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox |
| 18:17.50 | Artemis3 | pgrunwald, clearly qemu is the best xD |
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| 18:23.00 | pgrunwald | https://wiki.debian.org/QEMU - get is set up, save the image and then I can just restore to reset? |
| 18:23.28 | somiaj | or just use libvirt or virtmanager if you want a gui to manage virtual machines over qemu-kvm |
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| 18:25.03 | pgrunwald | my server is headless and I don't have X installed. Just webmin, etc. |
| 18:25.23 | somiaj | you can still use libvirt, just use virsh from the command line |
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| 18:26.05 | somiaj | I was just mentioning virt-manager as a more virtualbox like tool to use to configure things (but I haven't looked into configuraging virtualbox from the command line) |
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| 18:26.36 | zykotick9 | pgrunwald: you might want to see "/msg dpkg webmin" |
| 18:26.45 | somiaj | but libvirt via ssh gives you a nice way to configure/manage multiple vm's along with sets up vnc and the like. |
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| 18:29.14 | pgrunwald | re - webmin - don't mince words, how do you really feel? |
| 18:29.23 | Sark | OK, so, I wrote an xorg.conf, but I can't seem to specify a device by bus id, every time I do, it can't see it. |
| 18:29.23 | pgrunwald | ;-) |
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| 18:29.28 | sypher | pgrunwald: Nuke it from orbit. |
| 18:29.30 | Sark | I can't even specify the ATI this way. |
| 18:29.45 | Sark | When I do an lspci, I get a bus ID of 0a:07.0 for the video card. |
| 18:30.03 | Sark | I have tried all iterations of this in the BusID line in the device section, but nothing will make X find it. |
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| 18:30.18 | somiaj | Sark: do you check the Xorg.0.log file to determine what issues it has with the settings? |
| 18:30.18 | Sark | If I comment out the BusID portion, it'll find the primary card. |
| 18:30.33 | Sark | yes. It can't detect the device. |
| 18:30.56 | somiaj | what driver are you trying to use? For what card? |
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| 18:31.57 | zykotick9 | somiaj: re:Sark some background info - there are 3 cards: built-in ati, nvidia and s3. Sark wants the nvidia and s3 both working at the same time. |
| 18:31.59 | Sark | At the moment, the nouveau driver, for the Nvidia card. |
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| 18:32.32 | Sark | Right now, I'm just trying to write an xorg.conf that lets me use just the nvidia card, but manually specifying it. I can't even get that to work. |
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| 18:33.48 | Brigo | Sark, nvidia has a tool for writing its own xorg.conf files. |
| 18:33.50 | Azulflame | is there a known bug about the installer failing on the "installing packages" step? |
| 18:33.58 | somiaj | could it be some issue with modesetting? You do have both the radeon and nouveau kms modules loaded in the kernel at the same time? |
| 18:34.05 | Brigo | Sark, nvidia-xconfig |
| 18:34.34 | somiaj | Brigo: might not work for the nouveau driver though, I thought that was just for nonofree |
| 18:34.46 | zykotick9 | Azulflame: what install image are you using? how did you write it to the media (assuming usb)? |
| 18:34.48 | Sark | I don't have the binary driver installed, just nouveau |
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| 18:35.07 | Sark | I don't have a radeon. |
| 18:35.11 | Azulflame | zykotick9, attached the .iso (LXDE) to virtualbox |
| 18:35.13 | Brigo | somiaj, i just read Sark is faling with the nvidia driver configuration. |
| 18:35.26 | Sark | Right,I can make it work if I just delete the busID out of the xorg.conf |
| 18:35.38 | zykotick9 | Azulflame: is this a Live image? |
| 18:35.41 | Sark | But I don't see why I can't specify it manually. Since I'll need to do that for the S3 card. |
| 18:35.42 | Azulflame | failed on both install and graphical install |
| 18:35.47 | Azulflame | zykotick9, installer |
| 18:36.02 | Azulflame | trying the Automated Installer (under grub's Advanced Options) |
| 18:36.05 | zykotick9 | Azulflame: um. well, that all sounds good - so i have no explanation. good luck. |
| 18:36.33 | zykotick9 | has no idea what the Automatied Installer is... |
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| 18:36.56 | Azulflame | "debian-8.7.1-amd64-lxde-CD-1.iso" |
| 18:37.13 | somiaj | Sark: built in ati is most likely using the radeon driver. |
| 18:37.30 | Azulflame | downloaded from here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 18:37.32 | Sark | But the built in ATI is not evena radeon. |
| 18:37.36 | Sark | And I'm not trying to use it. |
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| 18:38.09 | somiaj | Sark: my comment was more wondering if you could load multiple kms modules at the same time, not the specifics of what card it is. Most ati's use the radeon driver so I assumed that wast he case. |
| 18:38.15 | zykotick9 | Azulflame: your debian-8.7.1-amd64-lxde-CD-1.iso sounds reasonable. i dunno... i don't have issues with netinst is all i can personally say. |
| 18:38.47 | TomTomTosch | Azulflame: you can switch to tty4 and check if there is more verbose output. |
| 18:38.49 | Sark | Yeah, only the nouveau kernel driver is loaded. |
| 18:38.52 | Sark | afaik |
| 18:39.04 | Azulflame | currently not failed on this install varient |
| 18:39.16 | Azulflame | 59% through "Installing and configuring software" |
| 18:39.23 | zykotick9 | ? |
| 18:39.24 | Azulflame | *Select and install |
| 18:39.46 | Azulflame | Install and Graphical Install (from GRUB menu) both failed |
| 18:39.54 | Azulflame | but this one seems to be working |
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| 18:43.07 | die7 | did I miss something in 8.7 since I can not make X11 forwarding from centos 6.8, it works between centos systems |
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| 18:44.11 | zykotick9 | die7: do you mean across ssh or the old-x11 forwarding? |
| 18:44.25 | die7 | zykotick9: ssh |
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| 18:45.55 | zykotick9 | die7: as far as i know, it only requires X11Forwarding yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config <- i can't test, don't have any xorg stuff on my home server |
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| 18:46.34 | die7 | zykotick9: it's already enabled |
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| 18:47.39 | zykotick9 | die7: and your _sure_ it's sshD_config and not ssh_config right? ;) |
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| 18:47.57 | die7 | zykotick9: yepp |
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| 18:48.45 | die7 | zykotick9: like written between centos systems wotrks, but from debian 8.7 cleint to centos 6 not |
| 18:49.57 | zykotick9 | so it's a client issue? in that case it _is_ ssh_config |
| 18:50.29 | die7 | zykotick9: in a ssh client is also enabled |
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| 18:50.33 | tempate | Hey |
| 18:50.55 | zykotick9 | die7: i got nothin' further to suggest. good luck. |
| 18:51.00 | tempate | What is the best way of creating a WIFI access point on Debian Jezzie? |
| 18:51.04 | die7 | zykotick9: tnx |
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| 18:51.28 | tempate | I have follow some guides but none of them worked, can someone send me something up to date and fairly easy to do? |
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| 18:52.02 | Sark | Ok, I can get X to start with my xorg.conf, with the nvidia card. I've got the BusID commented out though. |
| 18:52.07 | Sark | I can't, however, get the keyboard to work. |
| 18:52.19 | Sark | so once X is loaded, I can't check xrandr to see if it sees the other card. |
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| 18:52.37 | Brigo | die7, try ssh -X (enabling X forwarding from command line) |
| 18:52.42 | Sark | But I don't think it does, since I get the error "No matching device section for isntance" when referring to the other card. |
| 18:53.00 | die7 | Brigo: sur I do taht |
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| 18:53.02 | die7 | *that |
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| 18:58.03 | Sark | Well, I'm frustrated. I need to walk away from this for a bit. I still can't get the keyboard to work if I use my xorg.conf |
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| 18:58.38 | Sark | Even removing all references to the keyboard don't let it work. |
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| 18:58.59 | Sark | I CAN,however, get the nvidia display working at the correct resolution and everything. Just, it still won't see the other card. |
| 18:59.11 | Sark | Here's what I've got so far - http://pastebin.com/Cq464S0M |
| 18:59.23 | somiaj | with most common setups being automatically detected, knowledge of the xorg.conf file isn't what it use to be. Anyways my experience was the log file usually pointed me in the right direction in debugging issues with it. |
| 18:59.50 | somiaj | with xrandr you have to add providers, like --list-providers or something like that |
| 18:59.57 | Sark | Yeah - the log file seems to point to it not being able to detect the S3 card. |
| 19:00.11 | Sark | But, it's there. I even loaded the kernel framebuffer driver for it, and that loaded fine. |
| 19:00.14 | Voldenet | Sark: https://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.6/doc/xorg-docs/input/XKB-Config.html |
| 19:00.15 | somiaj | also you shoudln't need such a big xorg.conf file, a lot of that stuff will be autodetected and not be put in your xorg.conf file. |
| 19:00.27 | Sark | Right, but it's NOT being autodetected. |
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| 19:00.50 | somiaj | also looks like you are forcing Xinemera, this may have trouble with RandR |
| 19:00.52 | Voldenet | you seem lacking 'MatchIsKeyboard "True"' |
| 19:01.03 | somiaj | anyways, if you use a blank xorg.conf file what do you get? |
| 19:01.23 | Sark | If I use a blank xorg.conf, I get the nvidia display all working perfectly, with keyboard and mouse. |
| 19:01.27 | Sark | Everything is fine. |
| 19:01.31 | babilen | ... |
| 19:01.33 | Sark | But I want to add a second monitor to the system. |
| 19:01.42 | Sark | THAT is why I'm messing with all this. |
| 19:01.45 | somiaj | Sark: have you tried to use xrandr to --list-providers to see if the other cards are visable? |
| 19:01.53 | Sark | They are not. |
| 19:01.57 | somiaj | Sark: this is in the case it worked nicely. |
| 19:02.02 | babilen | And if you *only* add the nvidia configuration in a separate file in /etc/xorg.conf.d/ the keyboard stops working? |
| 19:02.11 | Sark | correct, babilen |
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| 19:02.25 | Voldenet | Sark: why not generate your "working xorg.conf" with Xorg :0 -configure |
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| 19:02.37 | Voldenet | and then add the monitor? |
| 19:02.40 | babilen | Voldenet: Because that overgenerates horribly |
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| 19:03.03 | Sark | Voldenet: Because I did not know that was a thing. |
| 19:03.05 | Voldenet | I can imagine it just dumps the detected config |
| 19:03.27 | Voldenet | Which would be massive, but I never cared much as long as it worked. |
| 19:04.08 | somiaj | Sark: so you want to use just the nvidia and the s3 card? Or all three? |
| 19:04.29 | Sark | oh, that's right, xrandr --listprovders doesn't actually work. I forgot about that. |
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| 19:04.43 | Sark | somiaj: Correct. I only want two monitors. |
| 19:05.00 | Sark | I only added the S3 card because someone told me I shouldn't try to use onboard video and a plug in card at the same time. |
| 19:05.06 | Sark | lspci sees all three video cards. |
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| 19:06.01 | somiaj | Sark: I don't think that would be an issue, the nvidia card deson't have multiple monintor outputs on it? Anyways pick one of the cards, make sure you can load the modules correctly. |
| 19:06.07 | Sark | xrandr --listproviders does nothing, it just prints the usage. |
| 19:06.10 | somiaj | Sark: sure, but lets see what the kerel says about them. |
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| 19:07.18 | Sark | somiaj: What should I check, dmesg? |
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| 19:08.41 | somiaj | Sark: dmesg, also lsmod to see what modules are loaded. See if the module for the s3 or ati card are loaded. If the kernel isn't seeing the card, xorg won't be able to |
| 19:09.54 | zykotick9 | Brigo: re your "ssh -X ..." suggestion to die7, good catch - i feel silly for overlooking it. not sure if it worked, but still... |
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| 19:10.06 | Sark | I loaded the s3fb driver manually in an attempt to get it to work. |
| 19:10.18 | die7 | zykotick9: still not |
| 19:10.37 | Sark | Don't see the kernel seeing either one of the cards - but, then again, I'm not 100% sure what to look for |
| 19:10.47 | die7 | zykotick9: it works also from m$ to centos system usnig putty xming |
| 19:10.50 | somiaj | Sark: kms drives will conflcit with framebufer drivers. Unsure if the s3 has a kms compabale driver of it it can be loaded nicely with the nouveau driver. Maybe something in dmesg will help. |
| 19:11.19 | die7 | zykotick9: something is wrong with my debian |
| 19:11.35 | somiaj | Sark: this is where I'm unsure, but with newer modesetting drivers and how they are tied into the kernel, I'm unsure how mixing drivers works. Espically with older cards like an s3. What ati card is onboard? |
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| 19:12.41 | asarch | Where is libgcrypt11 for Jeesie? |
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| 19:12.59 | Sark | http://pastebin.com/1AizcLUT |
| 19:13.12 | zykotick9 | somiaj: historically, ati & nvidia didn't like running together (with 3d) i have NO idea what recent hardware is like in that regard? |
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| 19:13.58 | Sark | I'm not trying to do 3D anything, I'd be happy with basic vesa framebuffer. |
| 19:14.42 | zykotick9 | Sark: i'm refering to issues from quite a while ago (not as old as that s3 card) but "a while ago" ;) |
| 19:14.58 | somiaj | Sark: framebuffers are a thing of the past, modesetting is what most drivers use now, and so I think this is partly were the issue lies. |
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| 19:16.01 | Sark | Hrm. Yeah - I mean, that is the problem, I've been using Linux for 20 years. The configuration schemes keep changing and all the docs go obsolete and the I get confused. |
| 19:16.04 | somiaj | anyways, if xrandr --listproviders is not seeing the other cards, I don't know what you are going to have to do to get things to play togehter nicely |
| 19:16.18 | somiaj | you may have to say use the nv driver which might work with other drivers. |
| 19:16.22 | Sark | xrandr --listproviders ust plain does not work, at all, period. |
| 19:16.34 | Sark | I just get the xrandr usage printed to the screen. |
| 19:16.39 | Sark | It doesn't recognize the command. |
| 19:16.51 | die7 | zykotick9: after reading some docu I saw AddressFamily issue with ipv6, no after restart at least I see arning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. |
| 19:16.54 | somiaj | Sark: even when you don't boot up with your xorg.conf and let it detect the defaults? |
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| 19:17.00 | die7 | zykotick9: this looks like pam issue |
| 19:17.19 | Sark | Correct. That's how I've got it now, so I can use the keyboard. |
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| 19:17.35 | somiaj | Sark: are you running jessie? |
| 19:18.21 | Sark | Not sure. I think I'm on Wheezy. Debian 7. |
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| 19:18.49 | somiaj | ahh, maybe --list-providers wasn't included in the wheezy version of xrandr, jessie is 7 |
| 19:19.06 | somiaj | just one note, wheezy only has lts support, so desktop software such as webbrowsers are insecure and outdated. |
| 19:19.46 | somiaj | I don't know if jessie would help in any way, but it might be able to better see the cards using more current tools like xrandr |
| 19:19.55 | Sark | Well, then I must be on Jessie then, if that is 7. |
| 19:20.12 | Sark | The login prompt says Debian 7 |
| 19:20.22 | sypher | That's wheezy. |
| 19:20.44 | sypher | jessie is 8.x |
| 19:20.49 | Sark | Ah, OK. |
| 19:21.08 | somiaj | sorry yea jessie is 8, typo there |
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| 19:21.17 | zykotick9 | Sark: try "xrandr --listproviders" |
| 19:21.19 | Sark | I installed Jessie on another box not that long ago, and I had some real problems with it. I haven't tried updating this box. |
| 19:21.36 | somiaj | anyways, I don't know if upgrading would help your problem, but for a desktop I would not suggest wheezy due to security support no longer applying tod esktop software |
| 19:21.41 | Sark | zykotick9: That does not work. |
| 19:21.41 | somiaj | zykotick9: seems wheezy desont' support that |
| 19:22.14 | Sark | somiaj: I mostly use this box to talk on IRC, read Reddit, and do basic email and such. I really don't care, honestly. |
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| 19:22.43 | jhutchins | I think maybe we should revisit the idea that using built in graphics with a card is bad. I'm pretty sure I've seen people do that. |
| 19:22.45 | Sark | I might play with Jessie on something else. That had some serious bugs last time I tried it though. |
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| 19:22.57 | Sark | X would crash pretty horribly, and you couldn't switch consoles. |
| 19:23.08 | Sark | Like, if you switched consoles, you couldn't get back to X |
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| 19:25.33 | somiaj | Sark: the nvidia card deson't contain multiple video outputs? |
| 19:26.12 | Sark | It does not. |
| 19:27.49 | Sark | Well, I mean, I guesss it technically does, it has an S-video output, I think, but, only one VGA port. |
| 19:27.50 | somiaj | do you happen to have another nvidia card? Anyways, I've seen various issues with trying to get differetn video cards working. On many systems xrandr works with its providers, but this requires a newer xrandr than what you have. You may have to rever to using old methods with xinemra, and maybe the nv driver and not nouveau, so this means blacklist the nouveau module so you can load other modules |
| 19:28.12 | somiaj | jessie may see both cards with xrandr, otherwise you will have to disable it and use xinemra |
| 19:28.44 | Sark | No, I don't have any more nvidia cards I can use in this. Since I don't have an AGP slot. |
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| 19:30.00 | somiaj | well either try jessie or disable nouveau, and all the newer tools such as xrandr. And focus on Xinmera. It maybe the only hope, but I don't think you can get xrandr/kms moudles to work with the older moduels like you are trying |
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| 19:33.10 | Sark | Hrm. Well, I don't want to upgrade the whole system to a new OS just for this, I'll do some more digging, maybe I can find another graphics card. But I think this nvidia one is the newest one I own. |
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| 19:42.35 | jhutchins | Sark: As mentioned before, it's not "just for this", it's for security updates and such as well. You could try a parallel install as dual-boot and see if it works any better. |
| 19:43.02 | jhutchins | Sark: I've run testing that way, the nice thing is you can chroot and fix things when they break. |
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| 19:56.21 | DexterF | hi |
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| 19:57.38 | gry | what is this 'jessie-updates' in sources.list ? |
| 19:57.40 | DexterF | I use nomachine NX v3 on deb8 to have remote sessions. have some keyboard issues and since NoMachine went onto v4 which is different and dropped support for v3 - what else gives me remote X sessions I can disconnect/reconnect? |
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| 19:59.17 | TomTomTosch | gry: thing that are going to be included in the next point release. |
| 19:59.22 | TomTomTosch | pfft. |
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| 20:14.27 | die7 | zykotick9: Issue was with my debian somehow messing with kde/mate and xauth issue, solved by removed kde and reinstalled xauth |
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| 20:21.17 | ompaul_ | DexterF: not what you asked but in the short term ssh -C user@farawaymachine konsole or some such |
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| 20:21.37 | ompaul_ | DexterF: which is not what you asked but at least lets you run programs at a distance |
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| 20:24.27 | dixie7z | please if someone can listen to me :D i had debian stretch and it worked fine.... didn't updated for a while.. then boom... black screen doring boot after grub... i used nomodeset and with that it worked... bud my graphic was messed up... i updated everything... new kernel... again same problem... i erased debian and put xubuntu 16.04 the newest one for install... installation boots to black screen... how can i find out whats the |
| 20:24.27 | dixie7z | problem right now? now i only have windows installed... it was dualbooted |
| 20:25.28 | dixie7z | some new package is fucked up right? i have xfx radeon hd6870 |
| 20:26.24 | zykotick9 | die7: glad you got it sorted out! |
| 20:27.13 | die7 | zykotick9: tnx, some wirred thing, but nevermind KDE was just for play, like mate more |
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| 20:32.34 | die7 | dixie7z: wait for sec |
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| 20:34.14 | die7 | dixie7z: u using catalyst after installation or not? |
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| 20:34.46 | dixie7z | catalyst is not supported anymore.... i used radeon drivers... open source |
| 20:35.11 | dixie7z | radeon drivers are for old graphic cards... amdgpu is for newer ones |
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| 20:35.29 | jhutchins | ,v amdgpu |
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| 20:35.29 | judd | No package named 'amdgpu' was found in amd64. |
| 20:35.36 | dixie7z | there is a bundeled package for download... it says on debian AMD section |
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| 20:36.12 | die7 | judd: xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu |
| 20:36.19 | dixie7z | yes.... amdgpu for newer ones.... my is older... so radeon drivers |
| 20:36.24 | jhutchins | dixie7z: Obvious first question: Does it work in Windows? Then: can you switch to a console? Connect via ssh? |
| 20:36.55 | dixie7z | i coulnd switch to console |
| 20:36.56 | jhutchins | die7: Ah, of course. ,v or judd: v |
| 20:37.09 | dixie7z | i erased everything :\ |
| 20:37.14 | dixie7z | i was frustrated |
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| 20:37.34 | dixie7z | windows works flawlessly with this graphic card |
| 20:37.40 | jhutchins | dixie7z: Ok, /var/log/Xorg.0.log may have an explanation. It's very noisy, but it usually says what's wrong. |
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| 20:37.59 | jhutchins | dixie7z: (Also of course /var/log/syslog and dmesg | less) |
| 20:38.26 | jhutchins | dixie7z: The Windows question was just to ensure it wasn't hardware failure. |
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| 20:39.30 | die7 | jhutchins: he can getting running system with vesa driver thenb explore with amdgpu issue |
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| 20:39.48 | dixie7z | i will try to install it again and see whats the problem with that logs.... |
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| 20:40.10 | dixie7z | how to switch to vesa |
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| 20:40.31 | jhutchins | dixie7z: Good luck. Maybe it'll just work. Blacklist radeon and VESA should load, it's the default fallback. |
| 20:40.32 | teraflops | jhutchins: dmesg -wH |
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| 20:40.58 | dixie7z | well.... xubuntu 16.04 also displays black screen on installation! i can't even install it... im not sure amdgpu is default on booting the installation media |
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| 20:41.36 | jhutchins | teraflops: Yeah, the new option's great. |
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| 20:43.17 | die7 | dixie7z: you cab use in boot parameter something like xdriver=vesa |
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| 20:45.24 | jhutchins | dixie7z: Looks like an hd6000 should be supported by either the free radeon or proprietary catalyst 14.9 |
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| 20:49.03 | jhutchins | Is ngnix able to run Apache modules? |
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| 20:51.43 | die7 | jhutchins: not really but you can use apache as backend |
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| 20:53.54 | jhutchins | die7: I didn't think they were compatible, but someone in a security channel was complaining that he couldn't get it to work. |
| 20:54.35 | Voldenet | jhutchins: are you sure there aren't nginx modules doing what you want? |
| 20:55.05 | die7 | jhutchins: they not bt it is possible to run ng as forntend unsing ha proxy > backend apache on same system |
| 20:55.23 | die7 | jhutchins: sorry for typo's |
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| 20:56.04 | jhutchins | modsecurity-crs - requires libapache<something> so I'm betting the answer is OF COURSE IT DOESN'T WORK. |
| 20:56.50 | ompaul_ | One day someone explained that apache and nginx were not the same, nothing changed. :-) |
| 20:56.58 | jhutchins | Still, I don't know that much about nginx. |
| 20:57.15 | ompaul | It's quite sweet to use. |
| 20:57.34 | jhutchins | It would seem counter-intuitive, modules being one source for the "bloat" Apache is accused of. |
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| 21:01.21 | Sark | Whelp, now I broke something. I got real close - x detects both the cards. But it crashes *horribly*. It's locked up the console screen an I can't get out of it. |
| 21:01.31 | Sark | Last entry in the log is [233707.894] (II) S3VIRGE(1): VESA VBE DDC read failed |
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| 21:01.59 | Sark | I manually killed the X process, but my console is still stuck, just has a cursor in the upper left, and I can't switch. |
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| 21:03.32 | Hello71 | reboot. |
| 21:03.42 | ompaul | Sark: can you ssh in? |
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| 21:04.31 | rgr | Sark, did you have a X11 conf file or not? |
| 21:04.40 | rgr | xorg.conf |
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| 21:08.50 | Sark | ompaul: I'm in it via a serial console. |
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| 21:09.10 | Sark | I still haven't been able to free up the regular video console. |
| 21:11.25 | Sark | And in fact, I have no clue how to. X is no longer running, nor is the startx script. |
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| 21:12.00 | Sark | I see the processes running on the other ttys, but I can't switch to them with the console. Is there a way to reset the video console? |
| 21:12.14 | die7 | Sark: try to run dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
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| 21:12.27 | Sark | Everything is dead. Even Caps Lock key light doesn't come on. |
| 21:14.15 | Sark | That didn't do anything. |
| 21:15.10 | jhutchins | Seems like there should be a stream browser plugin for VLC. |
| 21:15.32 | die7 | Sark: but xserver-xorg installed? |
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| 21:16.16 | Sark | I mean, xserver-xorg has been installed forever. That command just gave me my prompt back, no output. Video console is still deadl. |
| 21:16.19 | Sark | *dead |
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| 21:17.12 | Sark | I should clarify. I ran the command on the text console on the serial port. The video console is still stuck and has had no change, just an underline cursor in upper left, and the keyboard acts dead. |
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| 21:18.04 | die7 | Sark: remove xorg.conf reboot with in grub prompt parameter using vesa |
| 21:18.23 | die7 | Sark: then try to run this in a tty |
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| 21:20.04 | Sark | Yeha, I know, I'm just trying to avoid rebooting. This computer is doing other things. |
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| 21:20.18 | Sark | And I really don't *need* the graphic console, but it would be nice to have back. |
| 21:20.21 | Sark | Might reboot later. |
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| 21:20.28 | die7 | Sark: then kill xserver |
| 21:20.33 | Sark | I already did. |
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| 21:22.38 | die7 | Sark: can you post somehere your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:23.11 | Sark | I can try. I wonder if pastebin works with lynx. |
| 21:23.21 | missmbob | !pastebinit |
| 21:23.21 | dpkg | A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 21:23.42 | Sark | ah hah. Neat |
| 21:23.49 | Sark | one sec |
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| 21:24.55 | Sark | http://paste.debian.net/922893/ |
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| 21:27.27 | Sark | For reference, the xorg.conf - http://paste.debian.net/922895/ |
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| 21:27.57 | ompaul | Sark: what version of debian are you using? |
| 21:28.02 | Sark | Debian 7 |
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| 21:31.48 | ompaul | Sark: that is EOLed |
| 21:32.00 | ompaul | April 26th last year |
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| 21:32.30 | ompaul | to understand that this might help: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 21:33.16 | die7 | Sark: can you remove all xserver-xorg-video-* except xserver-xorg-video-s3virge |
| 21:33.21 | ompaul | Sark: LTS is not going to cover as many bases as the current stable |
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| 21:33.49 | ompaul | Sark: with regard to your system have you tried each monitor / card independently? |
| 21:34.39 | Sark | The Nvidia works fine on its own. As does the ATI that's built into the motherboard, but I don't think that can be used while the offboard card is installed (i get an error that it's not initialized when I try to use it in X with the nvidia card) |
| 21:35.00 | Sark | I have not tried the S3 by itself in this computer/configuration. I know the board does work. |
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| 21:35.14 | Sark | I know the second monitor works, as I used to use it in a previous setup. |
| 21:35.30 | Sark | But I can't use it as the console, because it doesn't support the BIOS video mode. |
| 21:35.59 | ompaul | well the reason I asked about ssh is it tells you if the box has actually frozen |
| 21:36.14 | ompaul | connectbot on android is useful |
| 21:36.20 | Sark | It's not frozen. I'm using it now, talking to you on IRC. I'm on the text console, on the serial port. |
| 21:36.41 | Sark | I don't have an android phone. |
| 21:36.50 | ompaul | does lshw tell you that all the fun parts are on the machine? |
| 21:37.17 | Sark | lshw? Not a command. I can see the video cards in lspci |
| 21:37.26 | ompaul | install lshw |
| 21:38.16 | jhutchins | Sark: I realize you're working with the hardware you have, but an obvious solution would be a card with dual output. |
| 21:38.45 | ompaul | what I'd do is if it does restart cleanly is move the xorg.conf file to somewhere where it is not engaged run xrand against each board like this http://pkg-xorg.alioth.debian.org/howto/use-xrandr.html and then as jhutchins says if you really need to get a new card |
| 21:39.07 | ompaul | also again you are running software that is EOL |
| 21:39.20 | ompaul | which really isn't what most people here remember running |
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| 21:39.39 | ompaul | so we are best guessing in most cases - and you are trying to do something non trivial |
| 21:39.50 | ompaul | with well out of date software |
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| 21:42.11 | Sark | The software isn't *that* old, I mean, the current version is 8. I probably should update, but I don't like systemd, and 8 had some horrible show-stopper bugs the last time I tried to use it (on other hardware) |
| 21:42.36 | Sark | got lshw installed, it sees all the video cards. |
| 21:42.48 | Sark | Dual output video cards are not common. |
| 21:42.53 | phogg | systemd isn't required in jessie |
| 21:43.07 | phogg | some extra work is required to avoid it, however |
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| 21:44.22 | Sark | hardware - http://paste.debian.net/922897/ |
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| 21:51.07 | Sark | I suppose if I can run it without systemd it probably won't kill me to move to it. Heh. |
| 21:51.23 | Sark | I just hope I don't run in to the same bug I did last time with X. |
| 21:51.50 | Sark | X started automatically on launch, which was weird, and then if you changed to another console, you couldn't get back to X. |
| 21:52.12 | Sark | Could have just been the odd video hardware in that machine - it was an older laptop. |
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| 21:53.10 | Sark | I'm making a backup of my root fs, once that's done, I'll try installing 8. |
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| 21:54.16 | phogg | Sark: use netinst or another approach that does not result in X by default |
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| 21:55.58 | Echo6 | Can someone assist me with getting past my dumbass-ery. I am working on a script that builds out some other scripts for some default loadouts. Had this working earlier but accidentally deleted the wrong file. This line needs to be escaped to work right and I'm having some trouble determining the right placement again. |
| 21:55.59 | Echo6 | echo 'send "CREATE USER $dbuser@localhost IDENTIFIED BY "\'\$dbpass\'";\r"\' >> mycreate.sh |
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| 21:56.56 | Echo6 | Here is what it looked like before I mangled the escapes: echo 'send "CREATE USER $dbuser@localhost IDENTIFIED BY '$dbpass';\r"' >> mycreate.sh |
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| 21:58.35 | Sark | phogg - that's what I had done then. And htat's what I always do. Probably just something I screwed up. |
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| 21:59.30 | embrik | Ive installed jessie on a hp 6910p. It seems ttha the wireless is hardblocked. I've tried to unblock it with rfkill? Didn't work. Is it possible to just put in another wifi-card? Do I have to reinstall if i do so? |
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| 22:01.01 | TomTomTosch | Echo6: you probably want to escape the inner single quotes, not the last one that closes the very first. |
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| 22:02.12 | die7 | embrik: no reinstall needed, and what you mean with hardblocekd? |
| 22:03.24 | embrik | die7: I haven't got the linux pc here, but the rfkills command (I think) reprted the wireless card to be hardblocked. IN my thougts it would mean that the wireless was turned off. |
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| 22:04.11 | embrik | die7: And the button to turn it on didn't work (in jessie), it worked in WIn10 |
| 22:04.16 | Echo6 | This is what I ended up having to do: echo "send \"CREATE USER \$dbuser@localhost IDENTIFIED BY '\$dbpass';\\r\"" >> mycreate.sh |
| 22:04.35 | Echo6 | I agree TomTomTosch but that was causing the same result. |
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| 22:04.59 | Echo6 | It would be nice if it gave us where in the line the issue is not just the line. |
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| 22:06.18 | die7 | embrik: but firmware-iwlwifi is installed? |
| 22:07.03 | embrik | die7: Yes, and it doesn' report any error, I just can't turn it on |
| 22:07.16 | TomTomTosch | Echo6: are dbuser and dbpass bash variables you want to expand? |
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| 22:07.51 | embrik | die7: There's a hw-buton. But it doesn't work. |
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| 22:08.04 | Echo6 | define expand> |
| 22:08.06 | Echo6 | ? |
| 22:08.29 | TomTomTosch | replaced by a value before written to the file. |
| 22:09.18 | Echo6 | no. |
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| 22:09.41 | Echo6 | The script its building will accept those parameters as arguments at the top of the file. |
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| 22:10.39 | Echo6 | I.E. generator.sh will create a script called childscript.sh that will accept the arguments childscript.sh 1 2 3 4 |
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| 22:12.56 | die7 | embrik: this is a strange in many cases it is allways on, maybe led is not showng as such, what says iw? |
| 22:14.11 | embrik | die7: Since I haven't got the computer here, I have to come back to you |
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| 22:14.22 | embrik | die7: thanks anyway |
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| 22:14.28 | die7 | embrik: np |
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| 22:15.09 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 22:24.22 | buu | this is a slightly odd question but if i have a lga2011v3 socket mobo, is there aomeway to get graphics out, for bios and console, without plugging in a pcie graphics card? |
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| 22:37.31 | die7 | buu: you habe onboard card? probably not? |
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| 23:46.22 | cromulent | I'm trying to install the nvidia drivers and `apt-get install nvidia-settings` seems to be hanging but cpu usage is low |
| 23:46.34 | cromulent | ps aux says dpkg is doing something with a front end that I may not be able to see |
| 23:46.37 | cromulent | what can I do? |
| 23:47.59 | n-iCe | reboot |
| 23:48.00 | n-iCe | try again |
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| 23:48.02 | n-iCe | :p |
| 23:48.17 | n-iCe | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 23:48.19 | n-iCe | and read that |
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| 23:48.56 | cromulent | reading that is how I got here |
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| 23:49.14 | cromulent | trying the same thing again is not a good suggestion |
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| 23:49.38 | n-iCe | then, no idea. |
| 23:53.35 | somiaj | cromulent: so sounds like dpkg is configuring the package but something isn't working right? |
| 23:53.45 | somiaj | cromulent: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 23:54.54 | cromulent | jessie, somiaj |
| 23:55.10 | cromulent | it's just sitting there with a blank cursor and I can't stop it or even reboot |
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| 23:55.23 | cromulent | so if I hard power off I will boot to a blank screen where I'll be right back where I started |
| 23:55.31 | cromulent | it's a brand new install |
| 23:55.44 | somiaj | cromulent: not mixing jessie-backports or anything? |
| 23:55.56 | somiaj | are you doing this from inside a graphical enviorment? |
| 23:56.16 | cromulent | there is no graphical environment - that's what I meant by blank screen. X doesn't start |
| 23:56.36 | cromulent | so I switch to another terminal to try and run apt-get install nvidia-settings. which just sits there and does nothing |
| 23:56.43 | somiaj | so you are running these commands from a normal linux console. I don't see why installing nvidia-settings would have such issues |
| 23:56.51 | cromulent | me neither |
| 23:57.35 | somiaj | you don't really need nvidia-settings to use the non-free driver |
| 23:57.38 | dTal | cromulent: so, clean install, no graphics of any kind? |
| 23:57.59 | cromulent | dTal: I was able to get through the regular install and I got into a GUI but it said I have the bad drivers or whatever |
| 23:58.06 | cromulent | so I was trying to upgrade to nvidia drivers |
| 23:58.06 | dTal | what does "blank cursor" mean? |
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| 23:58.13 | cromulent | blinking cursor |
| 23:58.50 | dTal | and ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't get you a login prompt |
| 23:58.55 | cromulent | it does |
| 23:59.05 | cromulent | as I said that's how I was trying to install the nvidia-settings |
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| 23:59.18 | dTal | sorry |
