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| 00:16.20 | A|an | At the risk of commiting a crime...Is an SSH server the best way to connect a android phone/tablet to debian? |
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| 00:17.04 | somiaj | connect for what reason? |
| 00:17.29 | dvs | gets on the phone |
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| 00:18.24 | somiaj | to transfer data to/from the phone I found the developer mode tools over usb the best. |
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| 00:19.59 | JPT | I think ssh is reasonable. |
| 00:20.24 | JPT | I do that to get into my tablet. Works like a charm |
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| 00:24.03 | A|an | somiaj: to move files |
| 00:24.36 | A|an | MTP was working (such as it was) but I've dorked it up somehow, inadvertantly |
| 00:25.02 | A|an | JPT: great! just wanted confirmation |
| 00:25.04 | somiaj | mtp is fairly slow. But if you turn on developer mode and use some of the developer tools you can transfer files to and from over usb with good speed |
| 00:25.04 | A|an | thanks |
| 00:26.20 | A|an | somiaj: I've installed libusb-1.0-0-dev hoping that would resolve the situation, but it (the device) still isn't recognized |
| 00:26.47 | somiaj | you mean with the developer tools or with mtp? |
| 00:27.01 | somiaj | it could be some strange setting on the phone |
| 00:27.48 | A|an | i've picked through the phone, it's not that...i haven't installed any dev versions of mtp |
| 00:28.05 | A|an | is there one? (i didn't even look) |
| 00:28.24 | somiaj | the -dev packages won't just make it work, they are for compiling tools using the libaries |
| 00:28.37 | A|an | <sigh> |
| 00:29.17 | somiaj | http://www.androidauthority.com/android-customization-transfer-files-adb-push-adb-pull-601015/ -- this is kinda what I use, trying to find a linux page |
| 00:29.22 | A|an | what i did recently was...i hurriedly agreed to autoremove some packages and that stopped it working |
| 00:30.16 | A|an | yes, that's a good resource, it look like |
| 00:30.34 | somiaj | ,v adb |
| 00:30.35 | judd | Package: adb on amd64 -- sid: 1:7.0.0+r1-3; stretch: 1:7.0.0+r1-3 |
| 00:30.42 | somiaj | guess that isn't in jessie though |
| 00:31.47 | A|an | yes |
| 00:32.28 | A|an | I think SSH would be a solid solution (cut to the chase) |
| 00:33.02 | A|an | I was aware of ADB, though...thanks for the tip |
| 00:33.13 | A|an | ..wasn't... |
| 00:33.17 | allizom | android-tools-adb is in jessie |
| 00:33.24 | A|an | ah |
| 00:33.29 | A|an | I'll take a look |
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| 00:34.35 | A|an | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/devel/android-tools-adb |
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| 00:49.45 | mystified | hey guys i need to upgrade cups from 1.7.3 to version greater than 2 |
| 00:50.17 | mystified | my repos for jessie is 1.7.5 |
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| 00:52.17 | allizom | mystified: https://backports.debian.org/ |
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| 00:55.12 | mystified | thx allizom: |
| 00:55.41 | themill | wonders where 1.7.3 came from |
| 00:56.00 | allizom | you're welcome |
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| 01:13.14 | sunnypar1eunji | any else come across this bug before? tried to upgrade jessie to sid and am now in python dependency hell. :/ |
| 01:13.17 | sunnypar1eunji | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=852163 |
| 01:13.18 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/852163 in python3.5-minimal (open, moreinfo, unreproducible): «python3.5-minimal wont configure»; severity: important; opened: 2017-01-22; last modified: 2017-02-16. |
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| 01:20.23 | sunnypar1eunji | themill: well, that was my first mistake. would it be safe to say i should adjust my sources.list to stretch and start over? |
| 01:21.36 | themill | the version of the Python 3 interpreter is the same in both releases so it shouldn't matter to this particular problem |
| 01:21.47 | themill | The output that dpkg asked for would be good to see |
| 01:26.53 | sunnypar1eunji | themill: http://paste.debian.net/919345/ |
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| 01:35.52 | themill | sunnypar1eunji: what version of libpython3.5-minimal do you have installed there? |
| 01:36.29 | sunnypar1eunji | themill: ii libpython3.5-minimal:amd64 3.5.3-1 amd64 Minimal subset of the Python language (version 3.5) |
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| 01:38.11 | mystified | are there any guru help a non techie on cups ethernet config with "hp laserjet 1320" |
| 01:38.21 | mystified | I broke my usb port.. |
| 01:38.36 | mystified | now unable to config with ethernet |
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| 01:38.58 | ThePortWhisperer | sup |
| 01:39.35 | mystified | ? |
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| 01:40.58 | ThePortWhisperer | does that mean netlink isnt running |
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| 01:42.54 | themill | sunnypar1eunji: do you have a locally compiled python? What does "which python3 python3.5" output? ls -l /usr/bin/python3 |
| 01:44.01 | sunnypar1eunji | themill: http://paste.debian.net/919346/ |
| 01:44.41 | sunnypar1eunji | based on /usr/local/bin i apparently might? i don't recall compiling one, but it's possible |
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| 01:45.13 | themill | pythons in /usr/local/bin are a great way of breaking things :( |
| 01:46.06 | sunnypar1eunji | damn. :( can it just be remove somehow? apt/aptitude don't want to when it try. |
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| 01:46.53 | themill | It won't have come from apt -- I'd mv it out of the way (and any other associated stuff it has left behind) |
| 01:47.14 | themill | there is probably a /usr/local/lib/*python* and other /usr/local/bin/py* things associated with it |
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| 01:48.27 | sunnypar1eunji | rm -f /usr/local/lib/*py*3.5 && rm -f /usr/local/bin/py*3.5* an okay idea? |
| 01:49.14 | sunnypar1eunji | there's quite a few 3.5 files in /usr/local/bin, including an easy_install-3.5, so it may be a pip thing? |
| 01:49.18 | themill | Probably. It's not great to have that stuff around but then again you don't know why you have it to begin with... |
| 01:49.23 | themill | egads |
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| 01:49.42 | themill | so you've probably got piles of non-packaged and incompatible python stuff all over the place |
| 01:49.51 | sunnypar1eunji | themill: yeah i'm bad about stuff like that. :/ i tunnel vision trying to get these to work that are too new for stable and end up breaking something. |
| 01:49.55 | sunnypar1eunji | crappy habit. |
| 01:50.02 | qih | If I want to suggest a modification to a particular package; how do I contact; The O/S Package Team, the Desktop Team or the actual Package Team? |
| 01:50.04 | themill | hint: whenever you see a guide saying "sudo pip" stop reading it as they don't know what they are talking about |
| 01:50.16 | themill | qih: reportbug $packagename |
| 01:50.28 | qih | themill: K |
| 01:51.47 | sunnypar1eunji | themill: looks like it got passed that particular error now when i re-ran "apt --fix-broken install". appreciate your help with that! |
| 01:51.56 | themill | excellent |
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| 01:53.07 | qih | themill: In theory, is it possible to recompile a package for a simple "wishlist" feature? |
| 01:53.08 | sunnypar1eunji | this was still an unrecommended jessie->sid jump, so i probably have a log road ahead haha. my fault for not rtfm |
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| 02:00.20 | allizom | mystified: it's better to ask away about the actual issue at hand. Anyway, you should provide some details about your setup and the steps you've tried |
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| 02:03.28 | veek | how do you setup X to autologin on boot AS A user (not root - this works for me) |
| 02:03.36 | veek | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/User#Xorg_as_a_systemd_user_service |
| 02:04.00 | veek | Unfortunately, to be able to run xorg in unprivileged mode, it needs to run inside a session. So, right now the handicap of running xorg as user service is that it must be run with root privileges |
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| 02:05.03 | veek | can i check a log to see what my service is doing.. |
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| 02:06.56 | abulletforfree | How can I select one driver over the other? My Debian has binaries for both libinput and synaptics by xorg. I discovered that debian let synaptics supercede libinput but I am interested in seeing if the driver is better suited for my comfort. |
| 02:07.30 | veek | xorg.conf? |
| 02:08.46 | themill | qih: yes, /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 02:08.58 | themill | sunnypar1eunji: I followed up that bug with the information on what we have learned |
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| 02:09.16 | qih | themill: Thanks. |
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| 02:09.32 | abulletforfree | Both driver configurations can be found in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf |
| 02:10.16 | abulletforfree | but I don't see a way of allowing me to select libinput, they are just conf files |
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| 02:12.17 | sunnypar1eunji | themill: good idea, thanks for that as well! |
| 02:12.45 | themill | (that was a bug that I triaged a while back...) |
| 02:13.23 | themill | it's good to now have a reproduce-case for it |
| 02:13.52 | themill | !local python |
| 02:13.52 | dpkg | An installation of python in /usr/local/bin/ is a great way of breaking a great many tools in Debian, which assume running "python" runs the Debian python with the installed python modules. Removing /usr/local/bin/python* should be enough to fix the problem; if you really need your own local version of system tools like python (and perl, and ...) make sure they are not on $PATH when you are performing upgrades. Ask me about <virtualenv> |
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| 02:14.00 | themill | sunnypar1eunji: ^^ for future reference :) |
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| 02:17.14 | sunnypar1eunji | themill: will definitely tread more cautiously and avoid $PATH dirs moving forward. |
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| 02:18.52 | themill | This is a problem with all packaged things -- if you throw a new .so in to /usr/local/lib you could break things too, but people tend not to do that. It's python-land where the pain point is because people are so keen for the shiniest tools and it's also used for real things. |
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| 02:19.29 | themill | If anyone cared about perl, ruby, js enough they'd be able to achieve the same level of breakage. |
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| 02:20.22 | sunnypar1eunji | bleeding edge python-land does seem to be the theme lately! |
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| 03:26.49 | themill | s/update/upgrade/g; the magical automatic pinning of backports makes this automatic |
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| 03:27.27 | themill | If they pick up new dependencies though, you may need to "apt-get -t jessie-backports install package" once again |
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| 05:04.36 | A|an | I'm just had a little issue happen...my machine and I did a hard reset and now it boots to tty |
| 05:05.18 | A|an | How do I bring up the desktop? |
| 05:05.43 | A|an | Sorry...my machine froze... |
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| 05:11.46 | qmr | A|an: start your graphical login manager |
| 05:11.55 | qmr | service gdm start maybe |
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| 05:16.16 | A|an | I was/am running gnome classic |
| 05:17.10 | A|an | I've inadvertantly presses control keys and F keys...I think |
| 05:17.37 | A|an | (never pulled this stunt before) |
| 05:18.28 | dvs | A|an, so press Alt-F7? |
| 05:19.52 | A|an | I'm in a tty...which it insists on booting into...(Alt-F7 didn't work) |
| 05:20.13 | A|an | need a command |
| 05:21.19 | A|an | This could be a thorny (and tedious) little problem |
| 05:21.36 | jim | try alt-F1, alt-F2, ... , alt-F6 |
| 05:21.42 | jim | just to see what it does |
| 05:21.45 | stoned | what does the tty say? |
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| 05:21.57 | stoned | does it say anything about any errors? |
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| 05:22.35 | A|an | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.43 | xormor__ | I am trying to install "Pupy" on my debian jessie 8 stable. |
| 05:22.45 | xormor__ | I failed. |
| 05:22.49 | jim | stoned, btw, thanks for helping out |
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| 05:22.58 | xormor__ | it is a Remote Access Tool (RAT). |
| 05:23.08 | stoned | only reaason it would boot into a tty after reboot in your case would be if systemd needed to run xfck or recover journal or something else which it would spit some message about |
| 05:23.12 | xormor__ | I am thinking of testing it out on my own machine. |
| 05:23.25 | stoned | jim: seriously man |
| 05:23.32 | stoned | stop w/ the contrived nonsnese |
| 05:23.36 | stoned | I don't requrie gratitude. |
| 05:23.42 | xormor__ | I used "export ARCH=x64" and "make". |
| 05:23.49 | jim | I do :) |
| 05:23.55 | stoned | i know. |
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| 05:24.42 | jim | specifically I require my own gratitude, whether it applies to me or to someone else |
| 05:25.14 | stoned | I require nothing. I give for free. As is the spirit of our freedom here. |
| 05:25.23 | stoned | Thanks. Move along. |
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| 05:26.19 | stoned | A|an: what does the screen say at the tty when you reboot into it? |
| 05:27.02 | awal1 | ,A|an, try dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 |
| 05:27.47 | awal1 | he said he gets the login prompt |
| 05:27.55 | stoned | A|an: Let's try to find out why your system goes into tty after a crash and hard reboot |
| 05:28.23 | stoned | (unless you removed something, it should go back to X) configuration wasn't changed, unless the disk needs an fsck or journal recovery after the crash |
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| 05:28.36 | stoned | intead of goofily trying random things, slow it down and pay attention to what's happening. |
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| 05:31.43 | A|an | Well, it will respond to startx...but that's not my desktop...it's just an empty gui |
| 05:32.28 | stoned | did you run it as root? |
| 05:32.49 | A|an | no |
| 05:33.16 | A|an | I've booted in as user |
| 05:34.02 | A|an | geez...whatta mess |
| 05:35.03 | A|an | awal1: what's gdm3? Gnome 3? |
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| 05:39.46 | A|an | This may wind up being very educational...anyway, I'll figure it out tomorrow.... |
| 05:40.10 | awal1 | A|an, gdm3 = gnome display manager 3 |
| 05:40.12 | A|an | Thanks for the help...goodnight |
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| 07:55.10 | veek | how do you configure firewall outbound for pasv ftp |
| 07:55.33 | veek | SPT=38198 DPT=50675 |
| 07:55.52 | veek | i've blocked out except 80 |
| 07:57.00 | veek | connection tracking isn't rquired for pasv is it |
| 07:58.57 | SwedeMike | veek: http://www.slacksite.com/other/ftp.html explains how passive and active ftp works. |
| 07:59.24 | veek | ugh yeah .. requires connection tracking etc |
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| 08:13.00 | veek | wow my modem firmware requires LIF utilities |
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| 08:32.08 | bencc | but not as a separate font |
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| 09:09.09 | ychaouche | hello #debian |
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| 09:09.48 | ychaouche | my system is unable to boot because it can't find the root device. It is looking for the root device by a wrong UUID. How can I fix the UUID it's looking for ? |
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| 09:10.07 | ychaouche | I tried update-initramfs to no avail. |
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| 09:10.38 | ychaouche | is that path somewhere in the initramfs image ? |
| 09:10.47 | ychaouche | I mean the UUID |
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| 09:41.20 | LiuYan | ychaouche: I think it's in the 'linux /boot/***** root=UUID=****' command line in /boot/grub/grub.cfg file >> is that path somewhere in the initramfs image |
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| 09:42.08 | basic6_ | virtualbox 5.1.8 doesn't work on debian 8 (= dkms fails to build kernel module, error: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=853878). apparently, that bug was closed without providing a solution... |
| 09:42.13 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/853878 in virtualbox (closed): «virtualbox: Virtualbox fails to build module on linux 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-amd64»; severity: important; opened: 2017-02-01; last modified: 2017-03-03. |
| 09:42.30 | basic6_ | is there another repository that contains newer versions of virtualbox? |
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| 09:46.42 | basic6_ | 5.1.8 (in debian repo) is too old, 5.1.10 should work but is not in the repo |
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| 10:13.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions virtualbox |
| 10:13.45 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; sid/contrib: 5.1.16-dfsg-1 |
| 10:15.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can backport the one from sid⦠for instructions /msg dpkg ssb |
| 10:15.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | and⦠5.1.8 is already backports⦠how many more backport repos did you expect there to be? |
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| 10:16.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha, just saw xmount⦠that's clearly filling a nitch |
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| 10:39.47 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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| 10:46.05 | Wulf | Hello |
| 10:46.26 | Wulf | Given a debian source package with pkg/debian/control, how can I install all missing dependencies? |
| 10:46.38 | Wulf | (to build it) |
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| 10:48.06 | TomTomTo1 | Wulf: aptitude or apt-get build-dep |
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| 10:48.36 | Wulf | TomTomTo1: what parameter would I specify for "apt-get build-dep"? |
| 10:48.48 | TomTomTo1 | the source package name. |
| 10:49.09 | Wulf | TomTomTo1: I think apt-get will then look into the system's package index |
| 10:49.41 | shtrb | Does anyone have experiance with Dell Vostro 5568, and can say if other than the keyboard backlight and sound everything else works (testing/unstable etc)? |
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| 10:50.38 | alpharray | Hey |
| 10:50.46 | alpharray | How can I paste something on a debian server??? |
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| 10:53.18 | Wulf | TomTomTo1: never mind, it works with "./pkg" |
| 10:53.29 | Wulf | alpharray: what do you mean by "paste"? |
| 10:53.43 | alpharray | I have a vm running with debian |
| 10:54.01 | alpharray | I copied something on my main machine which I need to paste into the vm |
| 10:54.15 | Wulf | alpharray: what do you mean by "paste"? |
| 10:54.23 | alpharray | Forget it, thanks |
| 10:54.32 | Wulf | alpharray: simulate keyboard input? copy a file? |
| 10:54.33 | shtrb | ctrl+shift+insert / ctrl v ? |
| 10:55.02 | shtrb | alpharray, some vm block clipboard by default |
| 10:55.13 | alpharray | Damn |
| 10:55.22 | shtrb | what vm ? |
| 10:55.23 | alpharray | I have tried all possible commands and none of them are working |
| 10:55.32 | b30wulf | alpharray: chmod 444 -R / |
| 10:55.33 | alpharray | Debian 8 Virtual Box |
| 10:55.54 | shtrb | in case of gui - choose "enable clipboard" |
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| 10:56.19 | alpharray | Not GUI |
| 10:56.42 | shtrb | *Shared clipboard (and a v) |
| 10:56.49 | shtrb | moment will check in the man file |
| 10:56.53 | alpharray | b30wulf: wtf!!! |
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| 10:57.03 | alpharray | b30wulf: now I can't run any commands |
| 10:57.07 | alpharray | Thank you very much |
| 10:57.11 | b30wulf | i was kiddin |
| 10:57.21 | alpharray | Well, you fucked me |
| 10:57.35 | b30wulf | is it a production box |
| 10:57.36 | Wulf | alpharray: don't run random commands |
| 10:58.21 | b30wulf | u may be able to restore state if your vm saves snapshots |
| 10:58.22 | alpharray | Yeah, too late |
| 10:58.24 | shtrb | alpharray , did yo install vbox from source or package , and please tell us you did a snaphsot before the command |
| 10:58.37 | alpharray | Nah |
| 10:58.44 | alpharray | I just deleted the machine, starting a new one |
| 10:59.02 | shtrb | at least setup a periodic snashot |
| 10:59.07 | alpharray | Alright |
| 10:59.11 | alpharray | I will from now on |
| 10:59.17 | alpharray | Back to the issue |
| 10:59.19 | Wulf | snapshot VMs? Why? |
| 10:59.20 | shtrb | Where did you get vbox from ? |
| 10:59.29 | shtrb | source or debian |
| 10:59.31 | b30wulf | that'll be $59.95 for the lessons learned today |
| 10:59.34 | Wulf | If they break, delete it, start a new one. |
| 10:59.35 | shtrb | Wulf , he said it is production ... |
| 10:59.36 | alpharray | shtrb: The official site |
| 10:59.46 | shtrb | you got their deb file ? |
| 10:59.48 | alpharray | b30wulf: lol |
| 11:00.00 | alpharray | shtrb: I think so, why? |
| 11:00.13 | Wulf | shtrb: so? Use proper deployment software (like salt/ansible/puppet) for them |
| 11:00.29 | b30wulf | :) |
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| 11:00.49 | shtrb | Wulf , the person need to have some type of backups , snapshot is the easit one |
| 11:00.52 | shtrb | I can think off |
| 11:01.12 | shtrb | alpharray , I think the options is -clipboard to share it |
| 11:01.12 | alpharray | This machine is just for testing stuff |
| 11:01.16 | alpharray | Nothing too important |
| 11:01.44 | alpharray | shtrb: I already have a shared clipboard |
| 11:01.51 | shtrb | you will also need xvfb and guest tools |
| 11:02.03 | shtrb | than ctrl + v / shift insert should work |
| 11:02.36 | jelly | b30wulf: avoid telling people destructive commands, even as a joke |
| 11:02.51 | b30wulf | ok |
| 11:03.08 | alpharray | I have tried: ctrl + v / ctrl + shift + v / ctrl + insert + v / ctrl + insert / shift + insert / insert |
| 11:03.23 | b30wulf | that laugh will last me for months |
| 11:03.32 | alpharray | lmao |
| 11:03.33 | shtrb | does it work inside the vm ? |
| 11:03.40 | shtrb | from vm to the vm |
| 11:03.43 | alpharray | jelly: kind of too late... |
| 11:03.49 | b30wulf | ;) |
| 11:03.58 | jelly | it's an instaban usually, but I'm feeling generous today |
| 11:04.05 | alpharray | shtrb: I don't know as I don't know how to select stuff on a server |
| 11:04.15 | shtrb | b30wulf , I wonder how you will reat if you tryied to screw with UEFI parttion |
| 11:04.18 | shtrb | *or mount points |
| 11:04.19 | alpharray | jelly: Yeah, don't worry |
| 11:05.12 | alpharray | shtrb: Maybe it is easier to just send the file to the virtual machine |
| 11:05.30 | alpharray | I also failed trying that though |
| 11:05.34 | shtrb | it is (normally) |
| 11:05.48 | shtrb | you just share a folder between the two of them (or enable ssh ) |
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| 11:06.15 | shtrb | and then it's just scp foobar user@interface:~/ |
| 11:06.20 | alpharray | shtrb: I spent about a week trying to share a folder |
| 11:06.21 | iwkse | hi, do you know a gui for ladspa plugins? I see jack-rack isn't anymore in the repositories |
| 11:06.25 | alpharray | Then I gave up |
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| 11:06.45 | alpharray | shtrb: I will try the SSH way as soon as the new vm is configured |
| 11:06.47 | shtrb | akpharray , man is your friend , and you should have asked for help before |
| 11:07.02 | shtrb | remember to enable the port forwarding for the machine |
| 11:07.13 | alpharray | The what?! |
| 11:07.18 | alpharray | Let me look that up |
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| 11:08.02 | shtrb | when you start a vm , you need to enable to the port forwording / NAT etc to be able to communicate with it over standard network api |
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| 11:08.34 | shtrb | under modifyvm |
| 11:08.52 | alpharray | shtrb: I was actually using a Bridge Connection |
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| 11:09.09 | shtrb | VBoxMange modifyvm "blabla" -natfp1 ... |
| 11:09.44 | alpharray | Why do I have to use NAT though? |
| 11:09.53 | shtrb | sorry , never use that (after I had a bad experiance with VMware) |
| 11:10.04 | shtrb | you don't , it's just what I choose to use |
| 11:10.25 | alpharray | By the way shtrb, thank you so much for your help. I really appreciate your helping nature and I learn a lot from it! |
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| 11:10.33 | alpharray | You to b30wulf :D |
| 11:10.43 | shtrb | you are welcome |
| 11:10.54 | b30wulf | np |
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| 11:11.04 | alpharray | You know what |
| 11:11.11 | shtrb | as for bridge , tap should be safe (emphasis on the should) |
| 11:11.11 | alpharray | Let me just go with the GUI machine |
| 11:11.16 | alpharray | IT will be easier |
| 11:11.39 | alpharray | shtrb: why wouldn't it be safe? |
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| 11:12.02 | shtrb | Again , bad experiance from VMware in the past |
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| 11:12.40 | alpharray | I see |
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| 11:12.57 | alpharray | "All knowledge comes from experience" |
| 11:13.43 | at0m | alpharray: also, better to learn from other people's mistakes, so you don't have to make them yourself |
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| 11:14.17 | alpharray | at0m: Yeah, I know. But sometimes you have to make mistakes |
| 11:14.26 | shtrb | If you are not afraid to learn check ovirt |
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| 11:15.32 | alpharray | shtrb: Is it better than vbox? |
| 11:15.59 | shtrb | it's not about better it's about how you manage and where you can use that expierance after |
| 11:16.13 | alpharray | I see |
| 11:16.21 | alpharray | Let me write that down to my TODO list |
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| 11:19.00 | shtrb | alpharray , when you choose your vm you do it based on some rules (why use product A and not product B). It's good to know the good and bad stuff of each |
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| 11:19.36 | alpharray | shtrb: Ok, I have a lot of learning to be done on my networking face |
| 11:19.53 | alpharray | shtrb: I will read and learn and let you know how I am doing, thanks again |
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| 11:23.38 | shtrb | I forgot to tell , if you are going to be working with Hyper-V , you should know it will not work well with VBox |
| 11:24.34 | shtrb | *so if you host BSODs when you debian vm get X up don't be surprised |
| 11:24.43 | alpharray | I don't think I will be using Hyper-V |
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| 11:25.04 | shtrb | :) |
| 11:25.07 | alpharray | :P |
| 11:26.05 | plasmoduck | what gui android dev program should I use? |
| 11:26.14 | plasmoduck | IS there one in the aptitude? |
| 11:26.36 | plasmoduck | Or should I just download this https://developer.android.com/studio/index.html |
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| 11:27.39 | b30wulf | use eclipse |
| 11:28.02 | shtrb | Is it again some evil idea ? |
| 11:28.09 | b30wulf | no ;p |
| 11:28.45 | han-solo | android studio? |
| 11:28.53 | shtrb | yes |
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| 11:37.52 | plasmoduck | what?? |
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| 11:43.29 | qdb | hello . uname -r says 3.16.0-4-586 while cat /etc/issue says debian ... 8 ... . is not this normal? i see in google that debian 8 is jessie, and i see in https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessie&searchon=sourcenames&keywords=linux kernel version 3.16.39-1+deb8u2 |
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| 11:44.08 | plasmoduck | I've found an annoying possible bug in mate, everytime I click on "Places" then "Home" "Desktop" etc, it was opening up Audacious, then after I uninstalled Audacious, when I click those menus it now opens up Baobab an shows the Home folder stats or desktop stats in Baobab. What on earth is going on? |
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| 11:46.53 | TomTomTo1 | qdb: look at the output of uname -a. linux-image-3.16.0-4-586 is the kernel package name, 3.16.39-1+deb8u2 is the patch level. |
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| 11:48.00 | qdb | TomTomTo1: thank you. i have looked and saw that it is ok |
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| 11:53.02 | jelly | plasmoduck: sounds like many apps register support for MIME type for folders and something in mate or freedesktop is picking all the wrong ones (instead of, presumably, your file manager) |
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| 12:00.50 | plasmoduck | How do I correct this? |
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| 12:09.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | check if this is same that xdg-open tries to open |
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| 12:09.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | it should actually even be xdg-open that opens stuff⦠and those are just scripts |
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| 12:11.37 | plasmoduck | Ahh |
| 12:11.50 | plasmoduck | I just fixed it, in Default Applications |
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| 12:19.51 | stoned | Happy birthday to stoned |
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| 12:19.57 | stoned | I came to freenode and debian in 2001 |
| 12:20.05 | stoned | 16 years this year! :) |
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| 12:24.52 | DebianUser1 | Hey boys. I'm running debian inside a VM (virt-manager + qemu-kvm) but every time I re-start it the clock resetts to an old date. Anyone knows how to resolve this issue? |
| 12:25.06 | stoned | DebianUser1: ntp |
| 12:25.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I also switched to debian in 2001⦠it's been a while |
| 12:25.27 | stoned | DebianUser1: probably a mismatch in utc vs whaetver other clock. |
| 12:25.43 | stoned | !ntp |
| 12:25.43 | dpkg | i guess ntp is The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" is enough to get going and synchronise your clock using the default ntp pool. http://wiki.debian.org/NTP See also <systemd-timesyncd>, <set time>, <pool.ntp> |
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| 12:47.29 | Latituder | vmware or virtual box? |
| 12:47.31 | Latituder | which one is good |
| 12:47.46 | lowin | virtualbox |
| 12:48.05 | stoned | vmware is technically superior. |
| 12:48.05 | shtrb | Latituder , there is no suite it all solution each has it's pro's and con's |
| 12:48.21 | stoned | relativism is the great evil eroding out FOSS enterprise. |
| 12:48.27 | stoned | yes, we can objectively say one is better than another |
| 12:48.33 | Latituder | which one is technically superior. |
| 12:48.42 | Latituder | virtualbox is worst quality product I heard |
| 12:48.47 | lowin | vmware is not foss |
| 12:48.50 | stoned | How have we convince dourselves of this nonsense? That everything is on equal fotting when it coems to technology? |
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| 12:49.05 | shtrb | stoend , vmware has some cons and so does vbox |
| 12:49.12 | stoned | *nod* |
| 12:49.15 | Latituder | who cares about foss when you have to get your work done? |
| 12:49.33 | shtrb | both have some non free elements, both have quirks you need to choose from |
| 12:49.39 | lowin | Latituder, then why are you asking? just install whatever you want to work with |
| 12:49.40 | stoned | But just to say that vbox is by default better (in a comparison) without technocal aspects being discussed (not opinions) |
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| 12:50.26 | shtrb | stoned , vbox has issues with 3D rendering , it also can't work with Hyper-V (side by side) , it has issues all dependeds on your eco system |
| 12:50.32 | stoned | virtual box won't allow raw device access (not w/o some painful hackery) |
| 12:50.42 | stoned | shtrb: pci passthrough problems. |
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| 12:51.28 | stoned | I always tend to go with vmware. In my experience it's much better, more featureful and faster, the vmware player uses the same core vmware worksation etc. so it's the same, and it's gratis, not free. |
| 12:51.33 | n4dir | !best |
| 12:51.34 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 12:51.38 | stoned | But for an end user, that doesn't matter. |
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| 12:52.00 | stoned | end users don't care about anything other than not having to pay for something. gratis software works. |
| 12:52.15 | teraflops | better or worse is a useless question. go read about both choices and make your own opinion. #debian is not here for making polls |
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| 12:52.32 | n4dir | slow now. there are end users who do care for a bit more than not having to pay for something |
| 12:52.40 | shtrb | stoned, vmware has it's own issues , it will BSOD or oops in case of an error, network device had issues in the past that would bring the device offline , non free |
| 12:52.58 | Latituder | qemu/kvm is better than vmware? from technical aspects. stoned ? |
| 12:53.03 | stoned | no. |
| 12:53.09 | shtrb | on some case they are |
| 12:53.31 | Latituder | stoned, so I guess vmware is superior to all others in technical aspects |
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| 12:53.37 | stoned | No such thing as better/worse. It's all a feature comparison, like I said. |
| 12:53.51 | stoned | And whatever is technically superior is superior, regardless of how one feels. |
| 12:53.52 | Latituder | fast smooth? |
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| 12:53.58 | stoned | that's called contending with facts at the end of th eday. |
| 12:54.10 | Latituder | and which one would you consider technical superior |
| 12:54.20 | stoned | my considerations are for my needs |
| 12:54.27 | teraflops | when people ask such questions it always end in a flame war or useless offtopic discussions |
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| 12:54.40 | teraflops | like this very one |
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| 12:54.53 | stoned | you have to make considerations for your own needs. |
| 12:54.56 | Latituder | stoned, and one advantage of vbox / vmware over qemu is that I can use the same image on windows / macOS |
| 12:54.59 | Latituder | later on |
| 12:55.15 | n4dir | teraflops: hit the nail |
| 12:55.19 | shtrb | Latituder , you can use the same Qemu image on windows .... |
| 12:55.26 | stoned | I'm not sure if this is the place to discuss feature comparisons of various virtualization platforms. |
| 12:55.34 | stoned | What do you specifically need tech support in debian with? |
| 12:55.38 | stoned | Kindly, do go on. |
| 12:56.01 | Latituder | debugging kernel on vmware is easier than vbox I suppose |
| 12:56.09 | shtrb | how ? |
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| 12:59.47 | shtrb | Latituder , why not over qemu in such case ? |
| 13:00.25 | Latituder | yea over qemu as well |
| 13:00.47 | shtrb | VMware and Qemu provide almost the same interface , I think there was an option for vbox also |
| 13:00.58 | Latituder | btw guys I have error in vmware since debian update |
| 13:01.04 | Latituder | kernel error 4.9 |
| 13:01.29 | Latituder | several modules must be compiled in kernel |
| 13:01.51 | n4dir | !vmware |
| 13:01.52 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported, ask me about <vmware support>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it, see <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware #vmware on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>. |
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| 13:02.27 | Latituder | all hail arch linux wiki. way better and more helpful than debian wiki |
| 13:02.31 | Latituder | found my solution |
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| 13:05.00 | shtrb | Latituder also check bochs , it's free software and it has some nice options |
| 13:05.16 | shtrb | *for debugging |
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| 13:09.11 | shtrb | Anyone about Vostro 5568 ? |
| 13:09.38 | stoned | oh bochs is terrible. |
| 13:09.43 | stoned | it's waste of time. |
| 13:09.54 | shtrb | for debuggin ? |
| 13:10.01 | stoned | just use vbox and you'll be dandy. |
| 13:10.12 | shtrb | ouch |
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| 13:13.45 | themill | Of course #debian normally prefers Free software which virtualbox is not. (and won't be in stretch at all) |
| 13:14.17 | Mathisen | virtualbox not free ? |
| 13:14.30 | themill | Correct. |
| 13:14.33 | shtrb | some parts of it (updated versions) |
| 13:14.40 | shtrb | it had a GPLed core |
| 13:14.52 | themill | no, the whole thing is non-free. |
| 13:15.09 | themill | You can't do anything without non-free components, namely its bios emulator |
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| 13:16.18 | themill | It also gets the oracle treatment on security support meaning that you can't build anything on it if you need stability. You have to swallow new versions, new features, new bugs, new breakage just to get a security update. |
| 13:16.40 | shtrb | I'm under impression that without the guest tools it should be GPL (up to a recent version) |
| 13:16.53 | themill | shtrb: nope |
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| 13:17.28 | themill | The code is GPLd but you can't compile it which makes it a bit of an empty offer |
| 13:17.57 | shtrb | Isn't anything under contrib (which vbox is) should be gpled ? |
| 13:18.00 | shtrb | and buildable ? |
| 13:18.17 | themill | no, that's not what contrib means |
| 13:18.20 | edeca | I've successfully modified an install CD with a preseed and d-i preseed/late_command. I need to do more than a single command so tried adding a file to /usr/lib/finish-install.d in the initrd. But this never gets run (it is +x). How can I add more files / scripts to the CD? |
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| 13:18.41 | shtrb | themill , thanks I was missinformed for a while then |
| 13:19.07 | themill | the non-free bios issue has been around for a while |
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| 13:19.46 | edeca | shtrb: Guest additions are actually GPL too apparently (https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Licensing_FAQ). No idea if it's buildable though |
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| 13:22.37 | shtrb | I went to the police page and it says that contrib packages should be DFSGed , the vbox wiki pages only mention you need a non free app to build the bios (and not that the bios is non free) |
| 13:22.41 | shtrb | *policy |
| 13:23.34 | shtrb | themill , if anything in contrib should be free software why is vbox (if the bios is really non free) is still there ? |
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| 13:24.34 | shtrb | even the package name has that "pool/contrib/v/virtualbox/virtualbox_5.1.16-dfsg-1_amd64.deb" , is that a bug or I don't understand something correctly ? |
| 13:24.53 | n4dir | probably an old enough version |
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| 13:26.00 | stoned | however, kvm is free |
| 13:26.05 | stoned | in all the senses. |
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| 13:26.36 | stoned | it can even do windows gaming through pci passthrough I ehar |
| 13:26.37 | stoned | hear* |
| 13:26.38 | shtrb | yes , KVM + qemu is excelnt but witouth ovirt is hard to sell to an user |
| 13:26.44 | stoned | hm. |
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| 13:27.32 | themill | shtrb: contrib is "equire software outside of the distribution to either build or function." This requires software outside of the distribution to build. Perfect fit. |
| 13:27.34 | shtrb | *are excelent , but I think they lack some nice gui tools to control |
| 13:27.52 | shtrb | themill , I'm taking about the DFSG part |
| 13:28.04 | shtrb | if it's not free (the bios) , it shuoldn't be there |
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| 13:28.16 | themill | It's free, you just can't build it |
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| 13:28.58 | themill | unless you have a non-free compiler |
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| 13:30.27 | shtrb | Sorry I was thinking about the extension pack being non free , not the guest tool |
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| 14:05.48 | adam__ | Hi! I'm on Stretch, got "swrast_dri.so" and "i965_dri.so" error when I'm trying to run steam. Also it tries to install some libraries every time I start it. I could start it by manually LD_PRELOAD the needed libs, but if im playing a lot, my computer gets laggy, no processor usage still the programs opens slowly, the whole machine lags, and i dont know why. Can i debug this somehow? |
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| 14:33.30 | frack | Is the pgrep command the same as ps aux | grep x command |
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| 14:37.39 | jelly | frack: it's more precise than that but serves a similar purpose |
| 14:37.44 | Iridos | frack, pgrep doesn't find its own pid |
| 14:38.25 | Iridos | and I bet you could have found that the output differs yourself |
| 14:38.27 | jelly | using pgrep will in general result in simpler and less buggy lines |
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| 14:40.20 | jelly | and it has a sibling called pkill |
| 14:40.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | and a mom and a dad called ps and fgrep? |
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| 14:41.27 | jelly | no |
| 14:42.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | any children? |
| 14:42.32 | jelly | these are basically clones of solaris commands with same names, maybe they have adoptive parents |
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| 14:54.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | clowns! damn clowns coming and taking all our jobs |
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| 15:05.14 | frack | Is it better to use btrfs over zfs? |
| 15:05.48 | rysiek|pl | frack: I believe ZFS support is still not in the kernel? |
| 15:06.22 | SwedeMike | frack: that depends, there is no absolute answer to that questions. There are pro:s and con:s to both. |
| 15:06.25 | rysiek|pl | frack: https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Debian |
| 15:06.39 | rysiek|pl | frack: also, what SwedeMike said |
| 15:06.41 | rysiek|pl | :) |
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| 15:07.46 | stoned | debian says 10am, laptop windows said 9am |
| 15:07.49 | stoned | which is th etime? |
| 15:07.53 | stoned | stupid day light |
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| 15:08.28 | stoned | I think debian didn't do it yet. but windows is 9am, and internet said my time is 9am |
| 15:08.49 | fnljk | google "sun stone" to setup your own analogue clock |
| 15:08.56 | stoned | Ha |
| 15:09.01 | han-solo | :} |
| 15:09.01 | fnljk | :d |
| 15:09.08 | han-solo | daylight saving time :} |
| 15:09.10 | stoned | !ntp |
| 15:09.10 | dpkg | i heard ntp is The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" is enough to get going and synchronise your clock using the default ntp pool. http://wiki.debian.org/NTP See also <systemd-timesyncd>, <set time>, <pool.ntp> |
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| 15:09.32 | han-solo | that's old, no? |
| 15:09.37 | stoned | I install ntp but no time sync |
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| 15:09.57 | stoned | ok, Ihad to manually tart service but then it works |
| 15:09.59 | OS-27720 | y password |
| 15:10.02 | han-solo | well, it can still synchronize clocks of individual nodes, i guess |
| 15:10.14 | stoned | I did sudo /etc/init.d/ntp start |
| 15:10.23 | stoned | [ ok ] Starting ntp (via systemctl): ntp.service. then my time changed to 9am |
| 15:10.32 | han-solo | great |
| 15:10.38 | stoned | that's not in the wiki |
| 15:10.40 | OS-27720 | my mouse keeps sticking, in a + mode every so often, is there a command to restart the mouse when this happens? |
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| 15:11.59 | stoned | what does that mean? |
| 15:12.02 | stoned | sticking in + mode? |
| 15:12.04 | fnljk | can someone that preferrably has experience with sevreal other Linux distros (besides Deb.) please advice on wether Debian may be a good first and main choice for a newb switching from Windows to Linux? I am hoping to get a decent security/privacy setup and some control of disk/network/ram data, and enable encryption and using gpg with keys for verifications etc. as much as possible. Hoping to pos |
| 15:12.15 | fnljk | ..opssibly also be able to play games on it eventually if will work too. |
| 15:12.22 | stoned | yes |
| 15:12.24 | stoned | debian is just fine. |
| 15:12.30 | stoned | if I can do it, any stoned monkey can do it. |
| 15:12.58 | stoned | you'll get a clean system, you can setup yourself and learn how, instead ofa ready made goofy desktop given by ubuntu or something else. |
| 15:13.34 | fnljk | ...cool.. thanks! I've just tried it, besides for various server tasks on vps/ded servers, as the "Kali linux"-port.. never really used too much, and as Im used to from all my messing with nix ... almost only ever thru console too |
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| 15:13.49 | stoned | you'll love debian |
| 15:13.54 | stoned | today is my birthday |
| 15:13.55 | fnljk | yeah cool, I've got and burned .iso to disk already..hoping to be able to use the "lxde" desktop environment |
| 15:14.01 | stoned | today marks 16 years of me and debian. |
| 15:14.04 | fnljk | nice:) Happy birthday!=D |
| 15:14.04 | OS-27720 | basically my mouse goes from a pointer into a + |
| 15:14.06 | stoned | see what I mean? |
| 15:14.08 | stoned | 16 years. |
| 15:14.09 | OS-27720 | then i cannot click anything |
| 15:14.14 | OS-27720 | i need to restart the mouse i think |
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| 15:14.22 | stoned | thanks |
| 15:14.59 | stoned | OS-27720: that's strange. I've never heard of that happening. |
| 15:15.18 | stoned | OS-27720: have you checked the Xorg.0.log file for input device errors? |
| 15:15.47 | BluesKaj | stoned, what is the default debian jessie desktop ...I'm a kde guy, but I'm just curious |
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| 15:16.27 | han-solo | gnome, i guess |
| 15:17.07 | stoned | maybe you can't click b/c mouse pointer clicky is not in the dead center of the cros hairs but on the upper left corner |
| 15:17.10 | stoned | xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr |
| 15:17.11 | stoned | Try this |
| 15:17.19 | stoned | and try to click w/ mouse point |
| 15:17.23 | stoned | see if that works? |
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| 15:19.26 | han-solo | well, if nothing works, you can have fun with it, like "cat < /dev/input/mouse0" :} |
| 15:19.38 | stoned | lol |
| 15:19.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | fnljk, I think there is much in the theory, that people switching from windows to linux have much bigger difficulties than people coming to linux from no experience, though |
| 15:19.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | han-solo, playing cat and mouse? |
| 15:20.04 | han-solo | :} |
| 15:20.31 | dgriffi | CutMeOwnThroat: when I came to Linux, I came from a perspective of using several other operating systems, not just Windows/DOS |
| 15:21.00 | BluesKaj | han-solo, yup it's Gnome |
| 15:21.05 | han-solo | yeah |
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| 15:21.15 | dgriffi | CutMeOwnThroat: my experience of acclimating to it was of relief that I don't have to mess with inefficient shit (windows) anymore |
| 15:21.18 | fnljk | I hope to maintain motivation to avoid MS(+Google , etc.. ) though.. can't just wait for others to do it all and everything to be ready and perfect (all games working well, no issues or anything....), and don't feel comfortable with Windows or supporting by using anymore either... |
| 15:22.02 | BluesKaj | guess stoned has me on ignore agian :-) |
| 15:22.08 | BluesKaj | again |
| 15:22.23 | fnljk | possibly setting up win as isolated VMs or something on a seperate box in own LAN for the (hopefully) rare cases I may still be required to.. otherwise, hope to have patience to push thru the troubles and bumps along the road as I get used to, try overcome issues, make things work etc... :d |
| 15:22.42 | dgriffi | han-solo: what a delightful way to make a mess |
| 15:22.56 | han-solo | I said "fun!" :} |
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| 15:57.35 | vertebrate | I just noticed that there is an openntpd as well as the older (I assume it's older) ntpd. Any opinions on which is a better choice? Why? |
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| 15:58.37 | jelly | vertebrate: there's also chrony. All are still under most-or-less active developement. |
| 15:58.53 | jelly | more* or less |
| 15:59.40 | LjL | hello. i know ways to see which packages are taking up the most disk space, but in practice that doesn't tell me a whole lot about what's lingering there for no good reason on my system, due to dependencies. do you know of any program that can analyze the installed package tree and tell me which packages are tying up the most dependencies that aren't also needed by other packages, in term of space taken up? |
| 15:59.55 | abrotman | judd: info cruft |
| 15:59.56 | judd | Package cruft (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: program that finds any cruft built up on your system. Version: 0.9.19; Size: 101.6k; Installed: 289k; Homepage: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/cruft/ |
| 16:00.00 | abrotman | judd: info deborphan |
| 16:00.01 | judd | Package deborphan (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: program that can find unused packages, e.g. libraries. Version: 1.7.28.8-0.1; Size: 101.2k; Installed: 260k |
| 16:01.24 | abrotman | LjL: are those helpful for you? |
| 16:01.36 | vertebrate | jelly: is chrony a renaming of ntimed or something? |
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| 16:02.55 | LjL | abrotman, i know that one, but... probably not? if i know all it can be used for, deborphan will tell me which packages aren't depended upon by other packages, but that's basically a solved problem when i use "autoremove" |
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| 16:03.34 | jelly | afaik it's its own thing, vertebrate |
| 16:03.42 | vertebrate | ack |
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| 16:04.36 | abrotman | LjL: you can do a little script magic to get the list of packages and get their installed size |
| 16:04.42 | LjL | abrotman, what i mean is, for instance: dpigs tells me that the biggest package on my system is "132941 linux-image-4.8.11.4". obviously i'm not going to remove that one, even though it's so big. but on the other hand, while "22851 nmap" is much smaller, for all i know, it could depend on a gigabyte's worth of libraries that no other installed package needs. and so i might want to do away with that one (and all its deps) |
| 16:04.44 | abrotman | I'm not aware of an automagic way to do it |
| 16:04.56 | LjL | abrotman, dpigs already tells me each package's installed size |
| 16:04.59 | LjL | that's not what i'm after |
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| 16:05.50 | LjL | dpigs is a program from the package debian-goodies, for reference |
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| 16:06.54 | jelly | LjL: you can go the "debfoster" way, and remove _everything_ you don't explicitely choose to keep |
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| 16:07.29 | jelly | that of course means you'll have to sift thru all the manually installed packages |
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| 16:08.09 | jelly | LjL: so the question isn't "does nmap pull in a gigabyte of dependencies", but "do you need nmap or not" |
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| 16:08.39 | LjL | yeah, i'm not going to do that. i could already do it by just looking at the list from dpigs and proceeding from biggest to smallest... but again, since that won't tell me which packages depend on a lot of big stuff, i will still just be wasting time removing packages that do little harm |
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| 16:09.17 | LjL | jelly, not everything is so black-and-white. "need" is relative, and there are compromise. i might need a supercomputer, but i won't spend ten million euros to buy one :) |
| 16:09.38 | LjL | so if a program i thought i "needed" turns out to cause a gigabyte to be taken up, i might want to rethink my need for it |
| 16:09.47 | smhar | greetings |
| 16:09.49 | smhar | I upgraded the kernel in my debian stable from 4.9 from backports.. now virtualbox does not load the virtual machines created previously..it says that I need to run: '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup' as root which I did but I got 'No such file or directory' error |
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| 16:10.16 | screamslash | I need to get a second opinion on something |
| 16:10.54 | screamslash | on my debian jessie system i have a proccess running in the background called "http" and its using all my cpu usage and i cant kill it. whats going on? |
| 16:11.36 | jelly | LjL: if 1GB of disk usage makes you rethink, maybe you don't need Debian but an embedded distro |
| 16:11.37 | lb_ | something using port 80? |
| 16:12.00 | screamslash | i have networking currently disabled on the pc in question |
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| 16:12.13 | screamslash | so nothing should be using internet stuff |
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| 16:13.04 | BluesKaj | browser |
| 16:13.11 | izual750 | You can't killing it, even with "kill -9" ? |
| 16:13.17 | screamslash | no i cant kill it |
| 16:13.22 | izual750 | Is it a Zombie perhaps ? "ps aux | grep 'Z'" ? :s |
| 16:13.25 | Digz | screamslash, http does also present to 127.0.0.1. so even with no physical network cable a httpd type process can still run amok. Now I don't know what it is in your case, but just a thought :) |
| 16:13.53 | screamslash | give me a moment izual750 |
| 16:13.56 | lb_ | ^ yeah |
| 16:13.59 | jelly | screamslash: which process is its parent? |
| 16:14.07 | lb_ | loopback |
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| 16:14.23 | screamslash | it doesnt say |
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| 16:15.05 | jelly | screamslash: what's the PID of this process named http? run "ps -ffp PIDHERE" |
| 16:15.16 | smhar | dkms is installed |
| 16:15.38 | screamslash | 422 is the PID |
| 16:15.49 | jelly | screamslash: look at the PPID column, and inspect _that_ one |
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| 16:16.24 | jelly | unless PPID equals 1, then it says nothing |
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| 16:16.54 | screamslash | the only thing under 422 is http |
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| 16:17.09 | jelly | screamslash: show the full output of "ps -ffp 422" |
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| 16:18.09 | screamslash | ok |
| 16:18.11 | screamslash | one moment |
| 16:19.44 | screamslash | im going to reconnect brb |
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| 16:21.22 | smhar | I checked and I have the kernel headers installed |
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| 16:24.01 | jhutchins | smhar: Running a backported kernel with dkms is tricky. |
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| 16:24.14 | screamslash | jelly http://pastebin.com/TgXYxKkV |
| 16:24.25 | jhutchins | ,v dkms |
| 16:24.26 | judd | Package: dkms on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.0.3-1.2; jessie: 2.2.0.3-2; jessie-backports: 2.3-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.3-2; sid: 2.3-3 |
| 16:24.36 | screamslash | thats the output of those commands |
| 16:24.45 | jhutchins | You need the headers and dkms from backports, and probably most of build-essential. |
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| 16:25.03 | Arone | hi? |
| 16:25.03 | jelly | screamslash: the command path suggests it's a part of apt. |
| 16:25.12 | smhar | jhutchins, options? |
| 16:25.16 | petn-randall | Arone: You called? |
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| 16:25.34 | Arone | any one Know if backup-manager other port for the ftp export |
| 16:25.44 | jelly | screamslash: now look at process 415, (PPID of 422) and you're going to see what started it |
| 16:25.48 | Arone | if backup-manager support * |
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| 16:26.32 | smhar | jhutchins, If I compile the kernel manually, will it work? |
| 16:26.56 | screamslash | 415 you said? |
| 16:27.06 | Arone | If backup-manager supports a port other than the 21 for export ftp * |
| 16:27.09 | screamslash | its apt-get |
| 16:27.14 | jelly | screamslash: you can also use pstree, instead of manually going one by one process up the tree |
| 16:27.19 | screamslash | why is apt-get using all my cpu |
| 16:27.50 | jelly | it's hung, it's buggy, who can say |
| 16:27.53 | screamslash | more importantly how do i get it to stop |
| 16:28.17 | smhar | jhutchins, I did this: pt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-headers-4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 linux-headers-4.9.0-0.bpo.2-rt-amd64 linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.2-rt-amd64 dkms build-essential |
| 16:28.27 | jelly | if it does not respond to kill 422, or even kill -9 422, the only way is to reboot |
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| 16:29.05 | screamslash | ok ill try a reboot |
| 16:29.43 | Arone | ..? |
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| 16:30.32 | jhutchins | smhar: I've avoided it myself, I have Nvidia dkms. |
| 16:30.33 | screamslash | ok that seems to have fixed it |
| 16:30.36 | screamslash | thanks guys |
| 16:30.55 | screamslash | i was seriously worried my system got comprimised or something and that was some rogue daemon trying to phone home |
| 16:31.10 | smhar | jhutchins, :-( , so what to do now? can I downgrade? |
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| 16:32.50 | jhutchins | smhar: Keep tracking stuff down. Find out what filename it's trying to find. |
| 16:33.11 | jhutchins | smhar: Start reading through the scripts. |
| 16:33.52 | smhar | jhutchins, http://paste.debian.net/919383/ |
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| 16:34.55 | redrabbit | hi, i'm looking for resources to setup a pan over bluetooth |
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| 16:36.23 | jhutchins | smhar: The reason I've avoided it is because I don't want a newer kernel badly enough to go down that rabbit hole. |
| 16:36.36 | jhutchins | smhar: You should have the old kernel available, boot to it. |
| 16:37.10 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 16:37.11 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.13-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.86-1) |
| 16:37.22 | jelly | ooh, 4.9.0-2-* |
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| 16:38.09 | smhar | jhutchins, I think it did upgrade some system base files... I didn't even see the old kernel in the grub menu the last time I booted.... |
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| 16:41.59 | plasm0duck | !stretch |
| 16:42.00 | dpkg | The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch |
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| 17:11.55 | maerz | eeeeee |
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| 17:27.00 | stoned | Hello |
| 17:27.06 | stoned | I need a good text to speech thingy |
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| 17:30.20 | redshadowhero | So, I've been reading bug 783901 (libvirtd doesn't pick up xl managed domains), and I noticed the last update time for that bug report is May 2015; I've just upgraded to Jessie, and I was wondering if there was any progress made on libxl support in libvirt on Jessie? |
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| 17:38.26 | petn-randall | redshadowhero: If the bug report is still open, the bug is likely to still be there. |
| 17:39.09 | redshadowhero | I kinda figured that, but you never know if someone will notice and fix the package, and nobody ever updates the bug report :P |
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| 17:43.09 | dury | hi there channel :-) |
| 17:43.21 | _sfiguser | is there kde 5.8 on debian ? |
| 17:45.30 | TomTomTo1 | ,v plasma-desktop |
| 17:45.40 | judd | Package: plasma-desktop on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.8.4-6; jessie: 4:4.11.13-2; stretch: 4:5.8.4-1; sid: 4:5.8.4-1; experimental: 4:5.8.5-1 |
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| 17:45.52 | TomTomTo1 | not in stable. |
| 17:47.08 | dury | toshiba satellite 2800-400... jessuss really old laptop but want experiment with it using debian |
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| 17:48.33 | dury | cant setup up network card 'cause it's pcmcia usr robotics USR5410 802.11g |
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| 17:48.58 | dury | no driver for it |
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| 17:50.16 | dury | when I start to install any debian release.. :-( |
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| 17:53.32 | dury | TomTomTo1, can you assist? |
| 17:53.59 | dury | toshiba satellite 2800-400... pentium III |
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| 17:54.42 | Brigo | dury, i guess there is a driver for it, it is an old model, the problem maybe the firmware |
| 17:56.21 | dury | Brigo, thanks indeed for answer, so how can I solve the network during the installation? |
| 17:56.26 | Brigo | dury, you can try with http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 17:56.48 | Brigo | those are non official images of the installer with firmware inside. |
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| 17:58.45 | jer0me | quite handy though, even if not official. |
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| 17:59.04 | dury | Brigo, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.7.1-live+nonfree/i386/iso-hybrid/ lxde desktop? |
| 17:59.39 | Brigo | dury, this is the live use an installer better. |
| 18:00.16 | dury | Brigo, mmmmm? |
| 18:00.41 | Brigo | dury, 8.7.1-live <-- it is a live image |
| 18:01.21 | dury | Brigo, which one is installer? |
| 18:02.11 | Brigo | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.7.1+nonfree/multi-arch/iso-cd/firmware-8.7.1-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 18:09.22 | dury | thanks Brigo have to burn it in a cd now |
| 18:09.45 | Brigo | dury, good luck |
| 18:10.13 | dury | be back later, thanks |
| 18:10.27 | LiuYan | make a live usb is easier than burn it to cd |
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| 18:11.09 | dury | but can't boot it in a such old laptop though |
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| 18:12.09 | BlueProtoman | How can I tell which version of Debian I'm using? |
| 18:12.20 | dury | I mean by usb |
| 18:13.13 | dury | BlueProtoman, type this in terminal lsb_release -a |
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| 18:13.42 | BlueProtoman | dury: 7.11 then. How can I upgrade? |
| 18:14.30 | dury | BlueProtoman, is that wheezy? |
| 18:14.38 | BlueProtoman | dury: Yes |
| 18:15.04 | BlueProtoman | But not on x86_64; I couldn't find a recent ISO for the processor I'm using at the time I installed it |
| 18:15.37 | dury | BlueProtoman, right... I always do clean installation though |
| 18:16.09 | BlueProtoman | dury: Don't have physical access to the machine. The install is recent anyway, though, so there hasn't been much in the way of configuration |
| 18:16.40 | BlueProtoman | But really, how can I upgrade? |
| 18:17.22 | johnkeates | yes |
| 18:17.25 | johnkeates | apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 18:17.29 | dury | BlueProtoman, jeessuss can't help you in that, really sorry |
| 18:17.31 | siiky | i think all you have to do is change the sources.list to the latest stable/testing and then apt-get dist-upgrade, but someone more knowledgeable pls confirm |
| 18:18.32 | siiky | but you should backup what you have and all that jazz, dont just do it right away! :p |
| 18:19.01 | TomTomTo1 | !wheezy->jessie |
| 18:19.03 | BlueProtoman | Damn, the machine just went offline. I think the admin moved it without letting me know like I asked him to |
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| 18:19.11 | dury | have to go guys... BlueProtoman, good luck :-) |
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| 18:20.29 | TomTomTo1 | damn bot. either way, BlueProtoman, read the release notes. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 18:20.40 | BlueProtoman | TomTomTo1: Ah, thank you |
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| 18:22.38 | siiky | im a bit confused... running `dpkg-query -l`, which packages are the uninstalled but not purged? flags 'rc', or 'pc' ? |
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| 18:34.20 | placko | Hi, I installed debian testing and now my usb wifi card is not called wlan0 but wlxe8de27a5ab1c, and instead of eth0 i have enp2s0 (at least i thnk this is supposed to be eth0). Is that normal? |
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| 18:35.30 | somiaj | placko: that is normal, it is the new predictiable interfaces naming of systemd |
| 18:35.49 | somiaj | https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ -- though this is still changing, that is the basic idea |
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| 18:36.36 | placko | thanks somiaj, i will read the webpage |
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| 18:43.10 | Thasan | hi. maybe stupid question and not accually even related to debian either |
| 18:43.17 | Thasan | I can do curl -o "#1.html" http://www.example.com/page/[1-20] |
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| 18:43.25 | Thasan | but I need to do that with range a-z |
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| 18:43.48 | Thasan | curl -o "#1.html" http://www.example.com/page/[a-z] not work, any suggests how to do that |
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| 19:05.47 | BlueProtoman | I have a SPARC machine that I've installed Debian on, and I. I've added debian-ports as a package source, but for some reason apt-get is looking for "binary-sparc" packages instead of "binary-sparc64". Why is that? |
| 19:06.03 | BlueProtoman | I have a SPARC machine that I've installed Debian on, and I'm fairly sure it's 64-bit (but I could be wrong, dunno how to be sure). I've added debian-ports as a package source, but for some reason apt-get is looking for "binary-sparc" packages instead of "binary-sparc64". Why is that? |
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| 19:06.24 | jrtc27 | BlueProtoman: what did you install with? |
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| 19:06.39 | jrtc27 | my guess is you used a wheezy install disk rather than the current unstable ones |
| 19:06.48 | jrtc27 | wheezy was 32-bit sparc |
| 19:06.51 | BlueProtoman | jrtc27: Yes, I did |
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| 19:07.17 | BlueProtoman | I didn't know that the unstable ones had disks available... |
| 19:07.20 | jrtc27 | https://wiki.debian.org/Sparc64#Debian_SPARC64_ISO_Images |
| 19:07.27 | jrtc27 | they're unofficial |
| 19:07.34 | jrtc27 | but wheezy isn't supported any more, so you really don't want to use that |
| 19:08.03 | BlueProtoman | God damnit. I installed the wrong disk and I won't have physical access to re-install Debian for over a week |
| 19:08.23 | jrtc27 | :/ |
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| 19:13.26 | debioul | hi. i want to install debian 2.1 (yes, the 16 year old debian) on a 64bit machine. will that be possible with the installation files available in the debian archives? |
| 19:13.47 | BlueProtoman | New question; I notice these two ISOs: "debian-9.0-hppa-NETINST-1.iso" "debian-9.0-hppa-BC-1.iso". What do "hppa" and "BC" stand for? |
| 19:14.56 | jrtc27 | HPPA is the HP PA-RISC architecture |
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| 19:15.58 | BlueProtoman | ...whew, good thing I didn't e-mail the IT guy yet |
| 19:16.15 | BlueProtoman | (Turns out the server has an ALOM so if I can ask him to burn an ISO and insert the disk I can do the rest) |
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| 19:17.34 | Latituder | is it worth using USB Install? |
| 19:17.40 | Latituder | or HDD install is a must? |
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| 19:18.12 | Latituder | coz sometimes I have to use someone else's laptop. |
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| 19:23.00 | somiaj | Latituder: I would just install from a usb drive if you happen to have one, that is usually the easiest method |
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| 19:23.11 | jrtc27 | BlueProtoman: also to answer your other question: BC is a "businesscard" ISO, which is even more minimal than NETINST |
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| 19:23.39 | jrtc27 | NETINST contains the installer and base system (and downloads other packages); BC contains just the installer and downloads the base system (and other packages) |
| 19:23.56 | somiaj | debioul: should be, the machine should have 32bit compadablity, but hardware may have issues on that old of a kernel. |
| 19:25.14 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 19:25.39 | Azrael_- | where does debian store when the switch will happen between summer-/wintertime? |
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| 19:26.29 | jrtc27 | Azrael_: //usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/London for example |
| 19:26.42 | jrtc27 | provided by the tzdata package |
| 19:26.50 | jrtc27 | Azrael_-: ^ |
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| 19:28.48 | Latituder | nice idea somiaj |
| 19:30.00 | somiaj | Azrael_-: part of the tzdata package |
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| 19:48.47 | fnljk | greetings,strangers . . sum1 could bestow me some infoz on wether Xen or KVM (virtualization platforms) may be a bit too tricky a task to take on for some1 quite n00b to nix in general..., or nothing overly crazy complicated with it.. ? I'll soon be hoppin over to Deb from Win and would like to play around with other Nix'es and maybe even lower myself to tolerate some Win at a point.. |
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| 19:50.23 | fnljk | would prefer Xen / KVM due to apparent potential for higher security assuming I may later on rent a series of these from untrusted remote hosting companies and then wish to use things like full.-disk-encryption n stuff.. wanna learn moreof Xen or KVM, not sure which yet.. just thought they'd be better (than vbox/vmware .. ), but afraid might be a lil tricky for a nab like maself |
| 19:51.49 | fnljk | (I did try setup Xen (...and... much else, really..not sure if it really was the culprit but - -) on a Kali box earlier, and ... whatever it is, it spits out a ton of errors related to (?) dpkg or apt preventing me from "apt-get upgrade" ever since.... :s ) hmh |
| 19:55.33 | Azrael_- | jrtc27: thx |
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| 20:32.00 | miomio9090 | hio |
| 20:32.04 | miomio9090 | gi |
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| 20:35.33 | miomio9090 | Hello |
| 20:35.34 | miomio9090 | I can come to register a chat this? |
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| 20:40.19 | miomio9090 | Hello |
| 20:40.20 | miomio9090 | I can come to register a chat this? |
| 20:41.32 | miomio9090 | hello |
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| 20:42.50 | OerHeks | miomio9090, you can, ask in #freenode |
| 20:44.53 | miomio9090 | and why in one channel it does not make me access? |
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| 20:45.52 | OerHeks | miomio9090, https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration |
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| 20:55.55 | st3fann | Hello, I am trying to git clone a directory onto my server, fresh install of debian, I just set the dns servers and for some reason it clones most directories, then randomly fails at one: Clone of 'https://github.com/QuickBox/quickbox_themes.git' into submodule path 'themes' failed |
| 20:56.10 | st3fann | it doesn't always fail at the same one either |
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| 21:00.33 | Kappa | just try "git clone https://github.com/QuickBox/quickbox_packages.git" |
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| 21:01.48 | miomio9090 | bro |
| 21:01.59 | miomio9090 | cista 1 italiano per info |
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| 21:02.24 | st3fann | miomio9090: /msg bots NOT people |
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| 21:10.59 | frikinz | Can anyone recommend a good soulseek client? |
| 21:11.49 | n4dir | nicotine? |
| 21:11.59 | n4dir | is that soulseek at all? ... |
| 21:12.08 | frikinz | That's the one I was using. It's crap and not updated in debian repository. |
| 21:12.48 | n4dir | i don't recall it to be crap. |
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| 21:14.51 | frikinz | Sometimes you don't get a connection. By closing and reopening it suddenly works. Also you'll get a lot of "too many files opened" messages because it keeps on searching with no limit (left to the OS) and since a few month python errors on every mp3 it parses (known bug corrected in recent nicotine) |
| 21:15.18 | frikinz | BUt yeah I've been using it for months so it's usable. Just looking for potential alternatives |
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| 21:16.03 | n4dir | i only know nicotine, and apt-cache search only offers murmur as another solution. anyway: perhaps someone else knows. |
| 21:16.48 | frikinz | Yeah murmur and nicotine were last updated in 2015. |
| 21:17.08 | frikinz | Actually I'll do an exception and clone nicotine repo.. |
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| 21:17.21 | frikinz | n4dir: thanks! |
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| 21:20.11 | frikinz | Oh ok nicotine has its own debian repo :/ |
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| 21:21.48 | n4dir | :-) |
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| 21:27.29 | Kiril | hello |
| 21:27.35 | Kiril | (root@GumBall)(~)>$ locale-gen en_US.UTF-8 |
| 21:27.35 | Kiril | Generating locales (this might take a while)... |
| 21:27.37 | Kiril | any ideas? |
| 21:28.12 | Kiril | https://paste.ubuntu.com/24167051/ |
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| 21:29.37 | frikinz | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:29.49 | Kiril | frikinz: already done |
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| 21:32.19 | frikinz | and you did logout login? |
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| 21:33.11 | OnceMe | Ive set PasswordAuthentication no and PermitRootLogin without-password, however Im still able to login as root with plain text passwords |
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| 21:33.37 | abrotman | did you restart sshd? |
| 21:33.44 | OnceMe | yes |
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| 21:33.48 | OnceMe | do I need to do anything else? |
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| 21:35.55 | OnceMe | it works now |
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| 21:36.32 | OnceMe | I had PasswordAuthentication no on the end of the sshd_config file, but I had also PasswordAuthentication yes before that occurance |
| 21:36.45 | OnceMe | shouldnt the last occurance of module overwrite previous mode, which was set to yes? |
| 21:41.47 | Kiril | frikinz: of course |
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| 21:45.46 | Kiril | also |
| 21:45.47 | Kiril | Get:1 http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates/main linux-libc-dev amd64 3.16.39-1+deb8u2 [1046 kB] |
| 21:45.50 | Kiril | Fetched 1046 kB in 0s (1597 kB/s) |
| 21:45.53 | Kiril | FATAL -> Failed to fork. |
| 21:45.56 | Kiril | ? |
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| 21:48.58 | frikinz | Enough memory? What's the output of free |
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| 21:51.01 | Kiril | Used memory is: 51.7521 % |
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| 21:52.08 | frikinz | free |
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| 22:00.39 | OnceMe | how can I add user with "useradd" but to be in /bin/bash and not /bin/sh prompt |
| 22:01.34 | mns | one of the options to useradd is to choose the default shell for them |
| 22:01.56 | mpmc | It's -s isn't it? |
| 22:01.57 | mns | its the -s option |
| 22:02.02 | mns | yes it is |
| 22:02.50 | nurupo | hey, i got a VM hard drive file which `ls` shows as 22gb but `du` shows as 1.3gb, i.e. the file actually takes only 1.3gb. i have gzip'ed the file to 800mb and now try to extract it, but gzip says that there is not enough memory on my system, even though i have 5gb left, which should be plenty for the 1.3gb file. how do i stop gzip from extracting it as 22gb file? |
| 22:03.25 | OnceMe | yap tnx |
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| 22:03.27 | mns | OnceMe: do you have /bin/bash included in /etc/shells as well ? Otherwise you wont be able to use /bin/bash as a login shell for the user. |
| 22:03.40 | OnceMe | its all good |
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| 22:06.23 | teraflops | nurupo: you run ls on the host and du inside the guest? |
| 22:07.09 | nurupo | no |
| 22:07.13 | nurupo | both on host |
| 22:08.01 | nurupo | it's probably just a 22gb file filled with nulls that has only 1.3gb of non-null data |
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| 22:08.30 | nurupo | did you ever try writing /dev/null into a file? :P |
| 22:09.06 | nurupo | you can have the terrabytes of null files without your system having that much memory to store it |
| 22:09.14 | nurupo | the fs does some magic, i guess |
| 22:09.20 | teraflops | nurupo: idk which virtualization system is this, you can tell the vm storage to be fixed space or dynamic |
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| 22:10.29 | nurupo | anyway, that 22gb vm file was initially provided compressed by xz and it decompressed correctly, without any errors, even though i have just 5gb of space left |
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| 22:10.33 | teraflops | nurupo: next time shrink the fs and them gzip it? |
| 22:10.56 | nurupo | but when i compress it with gzip (i can't use xz as it's dead slow for me) and decompress it back -- do memory left on device :\ |
| 22:11.06 | teraflops | yeah buy more ram |
| 22:11.26 | nurupo | forget about the VM thing |
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| 22:11.45 | nurupo | shrining or anything liek that is not an option |
| 22:11.55 | nurupo | anyway, you are not helpful at all :\ |
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| 22:12.24 | teraflops | !bail |
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| 22:24.09 | Perito | Hi |
| 22:24.31 | Perito | Come cazz si crea un canale? |
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| 22:25.28 | OerHeks | Perito, ask in #freenode plz |
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| 23:12.14 | luxio | How do I check whether or not a user has a password? |
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| 23:44.34 | buu | ok |
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| 23:45.24 | buu | I have a barebones debian install. I boot the system, get the bios screen, get the grub screen, load debian get a few lines of log output then the monitor says "no signal" and turns itself off |
| 23:45.33 | buu | I am perplexed |
| 23:46.32 | budder | anyone have experience using PIA vpn with debian? I am having trouble figuring out how to connect |
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| 23:47.22 | mtn | buu: did you install the video driver? xorg? a desktop? |
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| 23:50.49 | buu | mtn: no xorg |
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| 23:51.22 | mtn | buu: video driver? |
| 23:51.38 | buu | not sure at this point! |
| 23:52.08 | mtn | buu: you could try booting with nomodeset |
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| 23:54.09 | buu | hmmm |
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