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| 00:16.18 | ctcx | When logging in my debian box via ssh, why does it sometimes happen that I cannot enter a capital 'C' character? Sometimes I try and system seemingly takes it as a Ctrl+C. I already tried from several pcs, all keyboards are in perfect state. |
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| 00:18.37 | HeXiLeD | is there a repo for |
| 00:18.40 | HeXiLeD | HPLIP 3.16.2 Brings Support For Debian 8 |
| 00:19.01 | HeXiLeD | laserjet pro mfp m127fs |
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| 00:21.30 | Iridos | that sounds extremely unlikely⦠if the terminal is on a graphical linux client, maybe you could watch with xev if an event for ctrl appears |
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| 00:22.34 | ctcx | No Ctrl events! |
| 00:25.25 | Iridos | judd, versions hplip |
| 00:25.26 | judd | Package: hplip on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.12.6-3.1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 3.12.6-3.1+deb7u2; jessie: 3.14.6-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 3.16.11+repack0-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 3.16.11+repack0-2; sid: 3.16.11+repack0-2 |
| 00:25.39 | Iridos | HeXiLeD, it's in jessie-backports |
| 00:25.55 | Iridos | dpkg, jessie-backports |
| 00:25.55 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See <http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/>. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
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| 00:27.39 | orb | well, one thing you want to avoid is ctrl-s |
| 00:28.04 | orb | but if you must try it, use ctrl-q to fix it. |
| 00:28.12 | orb | i probably should have said that sooner. |
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| 00:28.24 | transhuman | in apache what loads the envvars file? is there supposed to be a line in apache2.conf? |
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| 00:31.51 | Iridos | transhuman, apache2ctl? |
| 00:32.05 | Iridos | as per manpage |
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| 00:33.19 | transhuman | ok so now I have to figure out what that script does...thanks |
| 00:33.20 | Iridos | hm, dunno what else reads it by default. It's also mentioned in /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz |
| 00:33.50 | Iridos | but that doesn't seem too clear to me from what it says there |
| 00:34.04 | Iridos | bye |
| 00:35.05 | transhuman | bye |
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| 02:46.46 | watersj | anyone have any luck with hauppauge wintv-dual |
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| 03:37.05 | rdococ | debiananan |
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| 03:55.04 | Atm0spher1c | is there a gpg sig file for the mini iso? i only see the sha256 |
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| 04:15.32 | nyexpress | hello! |
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| 04:16.19 | nyexpress | I am having trouble installing debian on my 2014 macbook pro retina - I am using the nonfree netinstaller testing (stretch) - and the internet / networking hardware can't be found |
| 04:16.38 | nyexpress | anyone happen to know what's up with that? |
| 04:17.46 | Atm0spher1c | nyexpress: wifi? use ethernet |
| 04:17.51 | yukip | debian is old, use ubuntu |
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| 04:17.57 | somiaj | nyexpress: do you have a wired connection you can use for the install? For some reason I think some of those wifi cards (b43) debian can't distribute the firmware, and you have to run a script to get it. |
| 04:18.00 | theraspberry | lol |
| 04:18.17 | nyexpress | oof I don't have a dongle :( |
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| 04:18.51 | nyexpress | but thank you for the heads up guys |
| 04:19.06 | Shadow_7 | You can install on another device. And sneaker net it over though. Seems that the b43-fwcutter dropped --unsupported for my older dell |
| 04:19.46 | Shadow_7 | or get it from packages.debian.org and download.openwrt.org/sources/ |
| 04:20.16 | somiaj | yea I had to do an offline extraction of the b43 firmware with b43-cuuter once, it wasn't easy so not something I usually suggest |
| 04:20.38 | nyexpress | yeah I had some trouble with the b43 thing, didn't seem to work |
| 04:20.59 | somiaj | it works good if you have another way to access the internet. |
| 04:21.16 | Atm0spher1c | That was years ago for me, works with wired connection and nonfree |
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| 04:21.57 | Shadow_7 | seems that it's https://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/ plurals *sigh* |
| 04:23.17 | nyexpress | I just need b43-fwcutter> |
| 04:23.26 | Shadow_7 | I just got to remember to use the wheezy version of b43-fwcutter for my older 32 bit dell |
| 04:23.35 | nyexpress | ?* |
| 04:24.25 | Shadow_7 | You need b43-fwcutter and the firmware to cut |
| 04:24.37 | Shadow_7 | Plus manually move it to /lib/firmware/b43/ |
| 04:25.03 | Shadow_7 | And if it's really old need the b43legacy stuff, but probably not in your case (or in the case of my dell) |
| 04:26.06 | Atm0spher1c | there are packages firmware-b43-installer, b43-fwcutter |
| 04:26.30 | nyexpress | thank you guys so much |
| 04:27.11 | Shadow_7 | This one is default... https://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/broadcom-wl-5.100.138.tar.bz2 ...but I need this one for mine... https://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/broadcom-wl-4.150.10.5.tar.bz2 |
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| 04:27.51 | Atm0spher1c | why? firmware-b43-installer does this for you |
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| 04:28.10 | Shadow_7 | Because mine is an old P4 32 bit circa XP era |
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| 04:28.29 | positi | hello good night |
| 04:28.29 | positi | to everybod |
| 04:28.33 | Shadow_7 | And the installer grabs the 5.100.138 version |
| 04:28.37 | positi | i need your help for connect and syn my iphone 7+ with gtkpod. |
| 04:28.59 | positi | GnuTLS error: Error in the pull function |
| 04:29.13 | positi | i use ios10.2.1 in iphone 7+ but It appears to be a lock-in |
| 04:29.25 | positi | strategy intended to force consumers to use iTunes. |
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| 04:32.01 | positi | hello |
| 04:32.01 | positi | yuju |
| 04:32.01 | positi | please response |
| 04:32.16 | Atm0spher1c | ...and people believe they have freedom. pff |
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| 04:38.05 | Diogenes_ | Good night. |
| 04:38.15 | Diogenes_ | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/10fb30a1/ |
| 04:38.28 | Diogenes_ | Gnome is not recognizing my Cintiq at its setting windows, though you can see that my machine recognizes there's a Wacom plugged in... And a Wacom drive running over there... |
| 04:38.42 | Diogenes_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.10 | Diogenes_ | Is what I would ask you guys, if any of you were still awake... |
| 04:39.29 | Diogenes_ | XD |
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| 04:46.03 | Shadow_7 | No idea what Cintiq is and don't use gnome |
| 04:48.00 | positi | hello |
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| 04:48.10 | positi | i need help with gtkpod |
| 04:48.37 | Diogenes_ | Shadow_7: ...That's a start. |
| 04:48.47 | positi | the new ios 10.2.1 don't work with gtkpod |
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| 04:50.43 | positi | hello |
| 04:50.48 | positi | i need help |
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| 05:13.27 | psychoticwarrior | jru |
| 05:13.30 | psychoticwarrior | hey |
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| 05:24.21 | OtakuSenpai | my wifi drivers for this laptop are a crapshit |
| 05:24.46 | OtakuSenpai | 10 mins on and still the site takes time to load |
| 05:26.51 | psychoticwarrior | sucks |
| 05:26.55 | psychoticwarrior | what are the drivers |
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| 05:30.31 | OtakuSenpai | sid |
| 05:30.40 | OtakuSenpai | idk the drivers |
| 05:30.47 | psychoticwarrior | oh |
| 05:31.36 | n4dir1 | lscpi -k or such |
| 05:32.33 | OtakuSenpai | its 1 whole year since ive digging on linux...forgotten so much |
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| 05:34.46 | OtakuSenpai | do i hav to do it in root |
| 05:34.51 | OtakuSenpai | n4dir1: ? |
| 05:35.05 | psychoticwarrior | i dont think so |
| 05:35.15 | psychoticwarrior | sudo root lspci -k |
| 05:35.25 | OtakuSenpai | [10:49:38] <stanford_ai> I'm look |
| 05:35.30 | OtakuSenpai | srry |
| 05:35.38 | OtakuSenpai | bash: lscpi: command not found |
| 05:35.53 | psychoticwarrior | locate lspci |
| 05:36.04 | psychoticwarrior | see if that helps |
| 05:36.11 | OtakuSenpai | returns blank |
| 05:36.17 | psychoticwarrior | huh |
| 05:36.17 | psychoticwarrior | idk |
| 05:36.18 | psychoticwarrior | then |
| 05:36.30 | psychoticwarrior | try root |
| 05:36.33 | OtakuSenpai | root@mabunny:/home/neelz# lscpi -k |
| 05:36.33 | OtakuSenpai | bash: lscpi: command not found |
| 05:36.51 | n4dir1 | l s p c i |
| 05:37.06 | OtakuSenpai | oh |
| 05:37.34 | n4dir1 | in general i am a big fan of command completion (ls hit tap and hope that one of the results is what i look for, else lsp hit tab ... etc) |
| 05:37.55 | OtakuSenpai | ok |
| 05:38.04 | OtakuSenpai | http://paste.debian.net/916513/ |
| 05:38.18 | n4dir1 | not that hard to make a typo when typing lspci , as far it's me :-) |
| 05:38.38 | OtakuSenpai | :) |
| 05:38.49 | psychoticwarrior | it works for me |
| 05:39.10 | psychoticwarrior | rt2800pci |
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| 05:40.52 | n4dir1 | OtakuSenpai: i am not much in wirless (or graphics). I used a searchterm "debian + RTL8723BE" , your wireless chip, which gives this: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 05:41.15 | n4dir1 | and also firmware-realtek : https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-realtek |
| 05:41.31 | n4dir1 | that's all i can offer. to me wireless is voodoo. |
| 05:41.45 | OtakuSenpai | ok |
| 05:41.46 | OtakuSenpai | thnx |
| 05:41.53 | psychoticwarrior | what do you think of lenovo |
| 05:42.41 | OtakuSenpai | n4dir1: can you tell me which model my lappy uses? |
| 05:42.53 | OtakuSenpai | psychoticwarrior: me? |
| 05:42.53 | n4dir1 | which model of what? |
| 05:43.00 | OtakuSenpai | i hav a lenovo tab |
| 05:43.18 | OtakuSenpai | no the driver |
| 05:43.18 | fifi-v | I'm running Debian on a MacBook Air. The WIFI connection on OS X is much stronger. How can I make Linux performs better? |
| 05:43.21 | n4dir1 | ah, on mine it says so on the laptop itself. Have a close look. Else i don't know |
| 05:43.32 | OtakuSenpai | ok |
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| 05:44.18 | OtakuSenpai | Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 15) |
| 05:44.19 | OtakuSenpai | Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller |
| 05:44.19 | OtakuSenpai | Kernel driver in use: r8169 |
| 05:44.19 | OtakuSenpai | Kernel modules: r8169 |
| 05:44.19 | n4dir1 | as far i know the important info you get from lspci though. There is a gui for such info, but i don't know the name |
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| 05:44.21 | psychoticwarrior | acer her |
| 05:44.24 | psychoticwarrior | here |
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| 05:44.36 | OtakuSenpai | srry |
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| 05:44.44 | n4dir1 | damn bots ... :-) |
| 05:44.46 | OtakuSenpai | is it r8169 ? |
| 05:44.54 | psychoticwarrior | could be |
| 05:44.57 | OtakuSenpai | ok |
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| 05:45.59 | OtakuSenpai | tht module is not in the webpage |
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| 05:50.18 | n4dir1 | Ethernet is wired. I think. What you look for is Network Controller, the very last entry from your paste |
| 05:51.18 | psychoticwarrior | yes it is wired |
| 05:54.18 | psychoticwarrior | ethernet is wired |
| 05:54.25 | psychoticwarrior | 10/100/1000 mbps |
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| 05:54.31 | Sabotender | greetings all |
| 05:55.22 | Sabotender | how can I add a blacklist to debian? I am trying to blacklist, vga16fb, nouveau, rivafb, nvidiafb, and rivatv |
| 05:55.43 | Shadow_7 | Tends to be /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf or some such |
| 05:55.52 | Sabotender | some places says it is in /etc/blacklist.conf, /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf but when I gedit thoese locations, nothing is there |
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| 05:56.47 | Shadow_7 | Sabotender: $ egrep -r -i blacklist /etc/modprobe.d/* |
| 05:56.58 | Sabotender | danke just a momnet |
| 05:57.16 | Shadow_7 | pcspkr is almost always blacklisted... or at least -2 to load last |
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| 05:58.14 | Shadow_7 | don't need the output. It should tell you the syntax and where though. |
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| 05:58.45 | tommy_ | dfadsfjkasdfjas |
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| 05:59.40 | Sabotender | Shadow_7: there is a lot of output; I will have to look over it carefully |
| 06:00.14 | Shadow_7 | Seems like most of what you listed is covered in fbdev-blacklist.conf from package udev |
| 06:00.19 | Shadow_7 | except the nvidia one |
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| 06:02.00 | Sabotender | im looking, just a moment |
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| 06:27.47 | psychoticwarrior | whats up |
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| 06:35.45 | psychoticwarrior | anybody up still? |
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| 06:37.40 | n4dir1 | it really doesn't bother me, but you might like debian-offtopic, psychoticwarrior |
| 06:38.24 | psychoticwarrior | what do you mean |
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| 06:39.52 | n4dir1 | what's up anybody still up? ; sounded like the need for chat or such (neither a question nor an answer). For such there is the debian-offtopic channel ( i am not there, hence can't say much). |
| 06:40.09 | psychoticwarrior | ok eh just chillen now |
| 06:40.50 | n4dir1 | i just let it flood. and wait for someone to tell me my flooding is off-topic .... :-) |
| 06:41.03 | psychoticwarrior | for sure |
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| 06:41.44 | n4dir1 | might be worth a try. offtopic, let me do that. |
| 06:42.09 | psychoticwarrior | running wireshark right now |
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| 07:11.17 | CrazyTux | hello, is Debian Stable faster than Ubuntu or many of its derivatives? |
| 07:13.22 | jelly | CrazyTux: hard to say, try it and see |
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| 07:14.06 | CrazyTux | last time I tried to create a live usb of debian stable. I wan |
| 07:14.19 | CrazyTux | I faced some problems in running it. |
| 07:14.37 | n4dir1 | you can probably tweak ubuntu to be faster too (back then, sysv, it was called services, and ubuntu loaded everything and the kitchen sink, while debian rather not) |
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| 07:14.55 | CrazyTux | has that issue regarding debian live usb been resolved? |
| 07:15.26 | n4dir1 | imho the live CD's of debian are sub-optimal. I would rather go for installation. |
| 07:15.34 | jelly | "some problems" and "that issue" isn't descriptive enough to give an answer, CrazyTux |
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| 07:16.29 | CrazyTux | yes. This is the kind of response I got then. That live cds of debian are sub optimal. |
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| 07:16.57 | jelly | yes, installer images are taken better care of |
| 07:17.11 | n4dir1 | there are distributions based on debian which focus on a small footprint. I mainly know refracta and antiX, but both gave up on systemd (in case that is an issue for you) |
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| 07:18.00 | CrazyTux | how is MX Linux? |
| 07:18.00 | n4dir1 | to me debian itself always felt pretty lightweight though. never saw much the point of a distro based on |
| 07:18.28 | n4dir1 | CrazyTux: i only heard good things, didn't use it myself though. iirc it also gave up on systemd |
| 07:19.07 | n4dir1 | which environment do you prefer? |
| 07:20.04 | CrazyTux | what is that systemd. and what are the implications of giving up on systemd? I am too new to linux to be having any knowledge of this. |
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| 07:21.01 | n4dir1 | in that case it probably doesn't matter. systemd is an init system, which is now used on most of the bigger linux distributions. |
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| 07:21.48 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 07:21.57 | CrazyTux | bigger means what? |
| 07:22.18 | stew | CrazyTux: so when the kernel is ready to start processes, "the userland" it starts /sbin/init which in turn starts other programs. what exactly /sbin/init is can be something like systemd or sysvinit or upstart or something. Your main interaction with it would probably be starting and stopping of services |
| 07:22.40 | n4dir1 | debian based distros, red-had based distros, arch, etc. |
| 07:22.50 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 07:23.15 | squelch | mean 99 percent of distros |
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| 07:23.20 | n4dir1 | yup |
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| 07:24.44 | squelch | you can see it as something like the windows registry |
| 07:24.59 | n4dir1 | i mean: it's not that a desktop-user fiddles with the init system all the time. I would only matter if you want to use and learn the de facto standard of today. |
| 07:25.33 | n4dir1 | for example to work in a professional environment. |
| 07:25.40 | stew | systemd was very controversial when it started becoming default on distros and remains controversial, to the poitnt where there are distros devoted solely to not having it., so you'll notice that it may seem to get more attention than it deserves and brought up when it doesn't seem to otherwise matter |
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| 07:26.26 | n4dir1 | i only know of one distro which only has that purpose ... |
| 07:26.43 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 07:27.06 | n4dir1 | back to topic: you prefer any graphical environment, CrazyTux (say gnome, kde or such) |
| 07:27.31 | squelch | neon |
| 07:27.42 | n4dir1 | or only want to go as lightweight as possible ? (this way or that way debian sure ain't a bad choice, perhaps even among the top 10 :-) ) |
| 07:27.45 | CrazyTux | Mate and Xfce |
| 07:28.02 | n4dir1 | refracta comes with xfce, MX? not sure. |
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| 07:28.13 | n4dir1 | i would first of all try debian, like said |
| 07:28.26 | CrazyTux | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:28.31 | n4dir1 | ah, good |
| 07:28.41 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 07:29.29 | squelch | debian defaults to gnome |
| 07:29.42 | n4dir1 | depends which iso you download :-) |
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| 07:30.20 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 07:31.29 | n4dir1 | some prefer to not install the GUI during installation and do it afterwards (some prefer it the other way around, duh) |
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| 07:33.13 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 07:36.32 | stew | the fact that debian defaults to gnome could not be more unconsequential. its only because 15 years ago or whenever it was that joeyh was writing the installer, gnome happened to be in better shape at the time in testing or something to this effect |
| 07:37.29 | n4dir1 | like said: if you want a different GUI, just download a different installation iso |
| 07:37.53 | squelch | best gui is ncurses |
| 07:38.04 | n4dir1 | lol |
| 07:38.10 | n4dir1 | not emacs? |
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| 07:38.39 | squelch | isnt that the default debian install gui? |
| 07:39.10 | stew | n4dir1: he said gui, not guest os |
| 07:39.41 | squelch | you mean ncurses isnt grafic? |
| 07:39.44 | stew | squelch: yes, its the checkbox that is checked in the installer by default. you can uncheck it and check a different one |
| 07:40.25 | squelch | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Linux-menuconfig.png |
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| 07:41.06 | n4dir1 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-8.7.1-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso |
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| 07:41.42 | squelch | i only download iso using https |
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| 07:42.21 | stew | and the biggest difference there is which packages you download on the iso, not any difference to the actual installer, its just a way of caching some xfce packages on the iso that you may or may not need |
| 07:42.31 | stew | with some altered defaults to the checkboxes in the iso |
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| 07:43.26 | n4dir1 | if that has changed, then it might be possible. in the past by choosing [*] desktop environment during tasksel you would get the GUI of the iso you downloaded |
| 07:43.29 | squelch | real debian users just download the netinstall iso |
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| 07:44.24 | stew | squelch: bah |
| 07:44.24 | squelch | debian should only make netinstall isos |
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| 07:44.40 | n4dir1 | mainly for the people without internet connection |
| 07:44.44 | stew | n4dir1: oh that might be true |
| 07:45.05 | squelch | whats the use of linux with out it |
| 07:45.22 | stew | if you are going to do repeated installs of a, for example, gnome desktop, it makes sense to get a gnome iso, because then you dont' have to keep downloading the packages on the iso over and over |
| 07:45.34 | n4dir1 | learning to program? a serever on a lan? whatever. |
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| 07:46.57 | squelch | yes im learning to program using man pages |
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| 07:47.59 | squelch | and if you have slow internet the netinstall is your best pick |
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| 07:48.10 | n4dir1 | downloading the CD takes me ca 3 minutes longer than downloading the netiso. I usually use the CD. |
| 07:48.53 | squelch | plus the time to do updates |
| 07:48.58 | n4dir1 | but sure, generally the netinst will be the prefered choice. just saying there *might* be needs for the full CD or even DVD's |
| 07:49.47 | n4dir1 | as long it's not like Slackware does it. |
| 07:49.48 | squelch | wile the betinstall should give you the updated system from start |
| 07:49.49 | n4dir1 | :-) |
| 07:49.51 | CrazyTux | MX Linux has another option. They make available monthly updated ISO's. |
| 07:50.13 | n4dir1 | squelch: yes, but you will still have to download it during installation. ... |
| 07:50.40 | squelch | you dont have to download twice |
| 07:50.51 | CrazyTux | http://mxrepo.com/snapshots/?C=M;O=D |
| 07:51.04 | n4dir1 | you have to download whatever you install. say a GUI |
| 07:51.05 | squelch | is great thing to know when you lost an argument |
| 07:51.27 | CrazyTux | MX is a Debian stable based distro. |
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| 07:51.54 | n4dir1 | CrazyTux: my guess is MX is a good choice. Like said: from what i have heard, never used it |
| 07:52.13 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 07:53.23 | CrazyTux | I used Linux Mint also. Sometime the sound volume gets reduced there for no obvious reason until I log in again. |
| 07:53.39 | CrazyTux | I think Debian Stable won't have such problems. |
| 07:54.39 | squelch | you use debian based linux mint? |
| 07:55.36 | CrazyTux | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.19 | squelch | https://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php |
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| 07:56.30 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 07:58.31 | squelch | i dont know if it fixes the volume problem thou |
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| 07:59.36 | squelch | if you using mint why arent you at their irc network? |
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| 08:00.26 | squelch | ive always seen linux has a portal to irc :-) |
| 08:01.07 | CrazyTux | wanted to try Debian stable. |
| 08:01.30 | CrazyTux | Actually, I have used Debian on my old laptop. |
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| 08:01.56 | n4dir1 | Do it ! Now ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0 |
| 08:02.20 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 08:04.05 | squelch | motivational speech for suicidals? |
| 08:05.26 | n4dir1 | :-) just kidding anyway. imho the best is to stick to any ! distro and get the hang of it. Mainly if the question is only about distributions based on debian anyway |
| 08:06.06 | n4dir1 | in a debian channel i obviously consider debian to be a good choice :-) |
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| 08:06.40 | squelch | but you meantioned slackware |
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| 08:07.13 | n4dir1 | well: i mentioned it. but if i wouldn't consider debian to be a good choice, i wouldn't be here |
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| 08:08.18 | squelch | you should work at an apple store |
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| 08:08.57 | n4dir1 | and tell them how to install debian on their shiny new hardware? |
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| 08:09.13 | squelch | yes and void the warranty |
| 08:09.25 | squelch | just give them your motivational speach |
| 08:09.51 | n4dir1 | i tried hard to get the hang of OS X , or however it is called, but it really is weird, imho |
| 08:10.52 | n4dir1 | so i went for debian. |
| 08:11.37 | CrazyTux | is LMDE based on Debian Stable? |
| 08:12.04 | squelch | no but its stable enough better then testing |
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| 08:12.28 | squelch | or at least it should be based on what they say on that page |
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| 08:15.11 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 08:15.26 | squelch | you could also try steamOS its based on debian |
| 08:15.49 | CrazyTux | Will check that. |
| 08:15.59 | squelch | and its gets you games |
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| 08:17.08 | CrazyTux | I think it it primarily for games. I need a reliable OS for home and office use. I usually don't play games. |
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| 08:18.03 | CrazyTux | how is Deepin? |
| 08:18.11 | squelch | based on your nick i would think otherwise |
| 08:18.13 | CrazyTux | or deepin. |
| 08:18.55 | squelch | buy the time you spending here you could be running all this distros already |
| 08:19.24 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 08:19.44 | n4dir1 | yeah. And as far deepin is concerned: i for one would sure consider the userbase when it comes to selecting a distro. A big userbase means much help, which is good |
| 08:20.49 | squelch | deepin has a huge user base since is based of china and you know there are plaenty of chinese |
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| 08:21.28 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 08:21.37 | n4dir1 | not sure if i would want to learn chinese to ask for support, but hey, why not |
| 08:22.38 | squelch | you can tell deepin has a fairlly number of developers working on it |
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| 08:23.25 | squelch | you can tell they do pay attention to usability details |
| 08:23.32 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 09:13.38 | BAN_ME_YOU_PUNKS | KnightsWhoSayNi: The classic target of all three major hate groups (nazis kkk and islam).... |
| 09:13.41 | BAN_ME_YOU_PUNKS | The Jews! |
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| 09:50.01 | dpkg | powi about paste |
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| 09:51.18 | powi | No problem, I asked dpkg in private (didn't remember the bot name x) ) But thanks ! |
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| 10:25.59 | MrDetonia | Hi, has anyone had problems with the recent mono upgrade on Stable? I have a very messy failed installation: https://w1r3.net/fASGdS.txt |
| 10:26.13 | MrDetonia | seems an issue calling gacutil is the root cause |
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| 10:26.56 | nkuttler | ,v mono-gac |
| 10:26.57 | judd | Package: mono-gac on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.10.8.1-8+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.10.8.1-8+deb7u1; jessie: 3.2.8+dfsg-10; sid: 4.6.2.7+dfsg-1; stretch: 4.6.2.7+dfsg-1 |
| 10:27.05 | nkuttler | MrDetonia: you're not using debian packages |
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| 10:28.03 | MrDetonia | ach, I'd forgotten that was included. Will check what xamarin is building against |
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| 10:54.14 | BluesKaj | HI folks |
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| 11:23.42 | pc | hey everybody - i got a problem with luks, anybody willing to help? |
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| 11:24.44 | zykotick9 | pc: you should describe your problem/issue.... |
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| 11:26.49 | pc | Cryptography Setup fails to start after 3 failed password attempts. Though I'm sure I type in the correct password every time. System log also tells me that before I get to password entry "uinput" module can't be loaded. Starting Load Kernel Modules fails shortly after. |
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| 11:30.02 | DexterF | hi |
| 11:31.11 | DexterF | monitor cpu/ram usage, possibly for specific processes over time and then have it in a nice diagram like for example vmware usage statistics, is there a tool to do that? |
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| 11:46.44 | Chrismeister | I have created a script that rsync a file to a different location after which it loggs with the logger command. When I run this script via terminal as root everything works including the logging. I have also created a cronjob that runs this script every morning at 04:00. But this does not create any logs. |
| 11:47.54 | Chrismeister | BTW, the cronjob requires full path to the script right? |
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| 11:48.10 | Chrismeister | It does not have any PATH? |
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| 11:51.39 | petn-randall | Chrismeister: Correct, most environent variables are not set when running things from cron. |
| 11:51.49 | Chrismeister | petn-randall: I guess that's my issue then |
| 11:52.01 | Chrismeister | thx |
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| 11:55.31 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day |
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| 12:05.43 | nikitasius | Hi, is it enought secure to give access to sh (`ln -s bash-static sh`) in chroot of my chrooted php-fpm under debian 8? |
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| 12:21.37 | Stummi | nikitasius, depends what your understanding of secure is |
| 12:22.21 | Stummi | nikitasius, generally, someone with a shell can do anything your machine what his user rights are allowing |
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| 12:34.12 | osx | Hi, how could i prevent that a package get auto installed with dist-upgrade command in Debian 8? |
| 12:34.39 | nikitasius | Stummi: thank you for answer. it's a `/usr/sbin/nologin` user with home in same chroot'ed folder. |
| 12:35.00 | osx | i would like to mark some package for not beeing updated by the update routines |
| 12:36.20 | n4dir | !hold |
| 12:36.20 | dpkg | hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>. |
| 12:36.36 | n4dir | but it think there is something like apt-mark or such too. |
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| 12:38.38 | osx | ok i noticed that already but is this also working for dist-upgrade command? |
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| 12:39.11 | osx | i think with dist-upgrade the package is installed again then |
| 12:39.28 | osx | in upgrade it is prevented from beeing installed |
| 12:40.33 | osx | i want that package also pürevented from beeing installed when doing dist-upgrade |
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| 12:41.33 | n4dir | i don't think so, but it would be better if someone would know. For you it should be easy to test it. |
| 12:43.07 | petn-randall | osx: Try it and see. |
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| 12:46.39 | g0zzy | Evince previous,next page buttons greyed out. I googled it - nothing much. Is it just me? |
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| 12:58.07 | schneider | Hi, i'm using debian jessie, how can I manage to mount my other hard drive partitions without asking for root password? |
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| 12:59.02 | doubledutch | schneider, have you ever edited the fstab file? Check it out /etc/fstab and that tells your machine what mounts at boot and how |
| 12:59.41 | CrazyTux | hello, I am unable to boot from the live usb created for Debian Stable 64 edition. |
| 12:59.50 | schneider | doubledutch, thanks |
| 12:59.59 | CrazyTux | It doesn't get detected duting boot up. |
| 13:00.09 | CrazyTux | I have this problem on my new laptop. |
| 13:00.36 | CrazyTux | I am able to boot from 32 bit edition on my old laptop, though. |
| 13:00.47 | CrazyTux | what could be the problem? |
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| 13:01.35 | doubledutch | CrazyTux, first troubleshooting step I would take, would be to try the USB in a different machine... that way you can see if it works and narrow down the problem to either the Debian box or the USB itself |
| 13:02.50 | CrazyTux | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.24 | doubledutch | Does the old laptop run Debian? |
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| 13:04.20 | CrazyTux | I have tried the live usb of Debian stable on my 32 bit machine. It works. |
| 13:05.18 | CrazyTux | It is on my new laptop that the live usb of debian 64 bit edition doesn't get detected. |
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| 13:06.01 | CrazyTux | Ubuntu, Mint don't have any problem loading on my new laptop. |
| 13:06.02 | BluesKaj | CrazyTux, do you have usb boot enabled in the urfi/bios? |
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| 13:06.12 | BluesKaj | uefi/bios |
| 13:06.13 | CrazyTux | yes. It is enabled. |
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| 13:06.26 | CrazyTux | I think it is uefi. |
| 13:06.40 | BluesKaj | ok then make the usb stick first in the boot sequence as well |
| 13:06.59 | rwn | aloha, I get following error when trying to "sudo apt --fix-broken install" http://pastebin.com/2xcW3BJA |
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| 13:07.41 | rwn | can't find anything about it and can't purge the package et.c. not sure what to do |
| 13:07.48 | CrazyTux | that option is not available. I mean, when try to boot from live usb of debian, that option is not reflected. |
| 13:08.09 | rwn | I got it after building vim from source with py3 support |
| 13:08.54 | CrazyTux | to check whether there is any problem with the pendrive or the method of creating that live usb, I created one for ubuntu. It doesn't have any problem. |
| 13:09.23 | CrazyTux | I used the same method for creating the live usb, same tool. |
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| 13:09.27 | Shadow_7 | CrazyTux: You might need to disable secure boot and enable legacy/CSM to boot the USB. |
| 13:09.53 | CrazyTux | just a minute. Let me check that. |
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| 13:10.09 | Shadow_7 | CrazyTux: And you probably have a spam key to select it after power on. ESC on my hp stream 11. F12 on my gateway desktop. |
| 13:11.32 | CrazyTux | secure boot is disabled. |
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| 13:12.10 | Shadow_7 | Without the spam key, I have to boot windows to get to the UEFI (9+ clicks later and two boots), and change USB to be first plus F10 to save and exit (but boot usb first works that time, but does NOT "save". |
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| 13:14.07 | Shadow_7 | CrazyTux: also, this desktop only seems to boot with MBR based partitioning. atm, I use a live usb to $(configfile (hd1)/boot/grub/grub.cfg) after $(insmod part_gpt) and $(insmod ext2) at grubs command prompt "C". |
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| 13:15.11 | Shadow_7 | To get to the SSD that I formatted GPT. Too lazy to reformat / re-install, plus gpt seemed recommended for SSDs. |
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| 13:18.04 | CrazyTux | secure boot is disabled and legacy usb support is enabled now. |
| 13:19.39 | Shadow_7 | legacy / CSM ... not really usb, but the wording varies between UEFI venders. |
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| 13:20.56 | CrazyTux | I am not sure if it is BIOS or UEFI. how can I find that out. |
| 13:21.14 | Shadow_7 | If it has an option for secure boot, 99% sure it's UEFI |
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| 13:21.34 | BluesKaj | CrazyTux, if it's brand new it' |
| 13:21.41 | BluesKaj | UEFI |
| 13:22.36 | BluesKaj | UEFI is default on pcs and laptops since 2010 |
| 13:23.13 | Shadow_7 | PC specs haven't changed much since then beyond UEFI. Except on the high end more expensive things. |
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| 13:25.39 | CrazyTux | then it is UEFI. |
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| 13:32.15 | troulouliou_div2 | hi a few years ago i managed to install debian on a kvml guest without any install iso. simply by configuring kvm with remote kernel/initrd + console |
| 13:32.32 | troulouliou_div2 | i can't find any guide now , could somebody just point me to a good tuto regarding this |
| 13:33.09 | Shadow_7 | troulouliou_div2: debootstrap? |
| 13:33.50 | troulouliou_div2 | Shadow_7, no it wxas more like a qemu/kvm / libvirt param to boot on remote kernel/initrd and then launch installation |
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| 13:34.29 | Shadow_7 | troulouliou_div2: so PXE boot (aka remote network booting) |
| 13:34.45 | troulouliou_div2 | Shadow_7, pxe works over internet ? |
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| 13:34.57 | troulouliou_div2 | i tought it was local dhcp + tftp only |
| 13:34.59 | Shadow_7 | over network, internet is also a network |
| 13:35.03 | CrazyTux | hello.. |
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| 13:35.25 | CrazyTux | any help? |
| 13:35.53 | troulouliou_div2 | Shadow_7, don't think so i ll post as soon as i ll find |
| 13:36.27 | Shadow_7 | troulouliou_div2: there's jigdo to create .iso by getting .debs. But probably not what you're looking for either. |
| 13:36.49 | troulouliou_div2 | Shadow_7, no i know that one too :) |
| 13:37.10 | Shadow_7 | I should probably do virtualization someday, but atm, 2GB is the max ram on my best system. |
| 13:37.18 | troulouliou_div2 | Shadow_7, in kvm you can start a guest by specifying a kernel/initrd located on host filesystem |
| 13:37.32 | troulouliou_div2 | Shadow_7, it was around that |
| 13:38.29 | Shadow_7 | troulouliou_div2: soo bootstrap? where debootstrap creates a chroot environment, which you have to actually chroot to install a kernel, or manually clone one over. |
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| 13:39.24 | troulouliou_div2 | Shadow_7, fiound it it is the -l switch to virt-install |
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| 13:39.45 | troulouliou_div2 | Shadow_7, https://bpaste.net/show/0c4f65349235 |
| 13:39.54 | troulouliou_div2 | Shadow_7, this will install a guest without any iso |
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| 13:54.46 | rwn | aloha, I get following error when trying to "sudo apt --fix-broken install" http://pastebin.com/2xcW3BJA |
| 13:54.48 | rwn | I got it after building vim from source with py3 support |
| 13:54.57 | rwn | can't find anything about it and can't purge the package et.c. not sure what to do |
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| 13:59.27 | theluckymike | if I'm connecting from debian box to different devices via ssh, can I make it log my sessions in separate logfiles? |
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| 14:08.27 | davidl | Im trying to build libreoffice on Debian Testing machine but ./autogen.sh shows unmet dependency libxslt but I have libxml2 installed. Should I just download and instlal that package manually? |
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| 14:09.08 | tw | davidl: libxslt1-dev different package. |
| 14:09.36 | Shadow_7 | rwn: did you try deleting the /var/cache/apt/archives/git*.*deb and installing again? |
| 14:09.37 | davidl | ok thx |
| 14:10.22 | rwn | Shadow_7: yup, same |
| 14:10.23 | Shadow_7 | davidl: when building from source you'll need a lot of -dev packages or you'll have unmet deps. build-essential, devscripts, and others are probably needed too |
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| 14:11.28 | Shadow_7 | davidl: apt-file is useful for finding out which packages you need |
| 14:11.56 | davidl | Shadow_7 thanks. |
| 14:12.21 | JyZyXEL | does anybody know what the scheduling accuracy of 'smartd' is supposed to be? i've scheduled a Long-test for 4am, but according to syslog it always starts around 04:04:40, so its 4 minutes and 40 seconds off |
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| 14:13.04 | n4dir | i would assume that "apt-get build-dep libreoffice" would take care of the dependencies to build. davidl |
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| 14:13.43 | JyZyXEL | looks like this behaviour is present in other debian machines too |
| 14:14.37 | davidl | n4dir ok, guess I'll do that. |
| 14:14.44 | Shadow_7 | JyZyXEL: is there an ntp daemon running on those machines? Could be 4:00 on the local machine. |
| 14:15.03 | JyZyXEL | i run ntp on all my boxes |
| 14:15.14 | davidl | n4dir: hehe, that was a lot of packages. thanks for saving me a lot of time! |
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| 14:16.08 | n4dir | davidl: let's hope it was the right command (i wouldn't bet, only assume ...) |
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| 14:21.36 | bionix | Hi |
| 14:21.38 | bionix | How can I change the number of a disk in mdadm raid ? |
| 14:21.40 | bionix | md0 : active raid5 sdc1[4] sdb1[0] sdd1[3] |
| 14:21.46 | bionix | I want sdc1 in 2 |
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| 14:24.20 | bezaban | bionix: if you don't have any data on it or your setup facilitates it you could just remove and add it. http://www.ducea.com/2009/03/08/mdadm-cheat-sheet/ |
| 14:24.36 | jelly | bionix: you don't, that internally used member number is not important |
| 14:24.55 | bezaban | oh. change number, I misunderstood. |
| 14:25.21 | bezaban | for some reason I understood that as moving it to another array |
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| 14:34.54 | jelly | bionix: otherwise, people in #linux-raid channel may know more or point you to right docs |
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| 14:37.11 | bumbar | i'm trying to run screen (from a script) for user x (to which i switch from root) and am getting "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/1' - please check.". i've tried adding "script /dev/null" to script, but didn't start the screen |
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| 14:41.06 | mns | bumbar: I didn't think screen could be scripted like that. |
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| 14:42.01 | rwn | aloha, I get following error when trying to "sudo apt --fix-broken install" http://pastebin.com/2xcW3BJA |
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| 14:43.06 | jelly | ,v git |
| 14:43.08 | judd | Package: git on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy3; wheezy-security: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy3; wheezy-backports: 1:1.9.1-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u2; sid: 1:2.11.0-2; stretch: 1:2.11.0-2; experimental: 1:2.12.0~rc1+next.20170216-1 |
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| 14:43.21 | jelly | rwn: which debian release is this supposed to be |
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| 14:48.14 | bumbar | mns, everything can be scripted :) |
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| 14:50.28 | bionix | thank you |
| 14:50.29 | jelly | bumbar: what's the exact command line you're using? Start it "detached" if possible. |
| 14:51.00 | mns | bumbar: what is the full script like ? |
| 14:51.10 | jelly | bumbar: search for "-d -m" in the manual |
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| 14:52.12 | bumbar | jelly, mns, i have -dm screen's options, here's the full script: https://dpaste.de/RnbJ |
| 14:52.53 | bumbar | i su'd to user, did "script /dev/null" and screen is still not running when i run the script |
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| 14:53.51 | rwn | jelly: Debian 9 testing |
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| 14:58.42 | jelly | rwn: pastebin the outputs of "ls -ld /usr/lib/git-core/{git,git-add}" and "dpkg -l git | tail -n 1" |
| 15:00.09 | jelly | rwn: also, is your filesystem full ("df", "df -i"? Are you using some crazy experimental filesystem type like btrfs? |
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| 15:01.09 | rwn | jelly: no directory called /usr/lib/git-core/, second command gave out "iU git 20170224-1 amd64 Package created with checkinstall 1.6.2" |
| 15:01.26 | rwn | jelly: no, I'm not and there's space left, 1% used |
| 15:01.51 | rwn | I think I got it after building vim from source with py3 support |
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| 15:04.53 | CrazyTux | hi, I am not able to chat on ##linux. How can I do that? |
| 15:06.31 | rwn | CrazyTux: https://freenode.linux.community/faq |
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| 15:07.25 | CrazyTux | ok. thanks a lot. |
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| 15:17.00 | jelly | rwn: purge that custom package first. |
| 15:17.49 | jelly | rwn: dpkg -P git, or apt purge git. Then try installing the one from repo, again. |
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| 15:18.40 | rwn | jelly: dpkg -P git did it, thanks. I'd tried purging with apt earlier but it gave out the same message. |
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| 15:28.50 | awal1 | why I get this https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ instead of the usual page? |
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| 15:29.31 | Dev0n | hey, is it possible to enable tun without rebooting? |
| 15:30.03 | Dev0n | looks like the kernel was upgraded |
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| 15:30.30 | awal1 | systemctl start tun (or tun.service, if it have a systemd unit service) |
| 15:30.56 | awal1 | and make it persistent systemctl enable tun |
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| 15:31.26 | jelly | awal1: that page looks as usual from here |
| 15:32.02 | Dev0n | awal1, Failed to start tun.service: Unit tun.service failed to load: No such file or directory |
| 15:32.16 | Dev0n | I noticed this on the staging server as well and after a reboot, everything worked fine |
| 15:32.26 | Dev0n | idk if this kernel upgrade did something |
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| 15:32.38 | awal1 | jelly, me I get: Index of /release-critical |
| 15:33.02 | Dev0n | and modprove tun = modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'tun': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 15:33.09 | Dev0n | modprobe* |
| 15:33.21 | awal1 | name last modified size and the parent directory and so... |
| 15:33.56 | awal1 | DevOn, I don't know what is tun |
| 15:34.07 | CrazyTux | I am not able to chat on ##linux |
| 15:34.25 | Dev0n | clearly :/ |
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| 15:34.46 | awal1 | jelly, ok, now it is working as usual; maybe it was a maintenance stuff |
| 15:35.05 | BluesKaj | CrazyTux, register your nick, ask on freenode how to |
| 15:35.17 | BluesKaj | #freenode |
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| 15:35.52 | CrazyTux | yes. on #freenode. |
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| 15:36.45 | BluesKaj | CrazyTux, I see you in the #linux nicklist |
| 15:36.57 | BluesKaj | err ##linux |
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| 15:37.14 | CrazyTux | but, I'm not able to send messages and interact there. |
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| 15:37.47 | brokency1le | Hi! Yesterday, I ran a dist-upgrade on my laptop, which had a recent Testing already. |
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| 15:38.04 | CrazyTux | Insufficient parameters for REGISTER. |
| 15:38.06 | CrazyTux | Syntax: REGISTER <password> <email> |
| 15:38.19 | brokency1le | Since, I have trouble with resizing terminal windows and changing font sizes. |
| 15:38.20 | CrazyTux | this is the response I am getting there. |
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| 15:38.48 | brokency1le | I'm using awesome, and yesterday it got me 4.x, and Sakura. |
| 15:39.09 | brokency1le | Basically, trying to change the font size, or to resize the terminal window, seems to |
| 15:39.17 | BluesKaj | CrazyTux, you should be registering on the server page , not in #freenode |
| 15:39.26 | brokency1le | block for ages, or not reacting to my mouse movements. |
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| 15:40.14 | brokency1le | I have already removed my custom awesome configuration, as directed. |
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| 15:41.40 | CrazyTux | where is that server page? BluesKaj? |
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| 15:41.51 | John__ | did anyone manage to actually get the opensans font in debian on lxde? |
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| 15:42.23 | John__ | I installed the https://packages.debian.org/sid/texlive-fonts-extra package but it's not appearing in font selection menus. |
| 15:42.39 | BluesKaj | CrazyTux, the freenode tab without the # in front |
| 15:43.24 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 15:43.24 | awal1 | ,v tun |
| 15:43.25 | judd | No package named 'tun' was found in amd64. |
| 15:43.32 | jelly | CrazyTux: if you can open a query tab for the NickServ service, do it there. /QUERY NickServ, or /MSG NickServ |
| 15:43.34 | BluesKaj | if you're using the chat.freenode server, CrazyTux |
| 15:44.03 | jelly | they seem to be using something called... -CrazyTux- VERSION ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170127014032] |
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| 15:46.42 | BluesKaj | jelly, yeah i see that, dunno if a browser will work |
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| 15:48.57 | CrazyTux | I am using this ChatZilla. |
| 15:49.14 | CrazyTux | freenode |
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| 15:54.58 | John__ | anyone? |
| 15:55.12 | John__ | I can't stand non-ClearType fonts :( |
| 15:55.45 | John__ | or TrueType or whatever it's called. |
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| 16:06.16 | PaulePanter | Hi. How fast should a connection to deb.debian.org (https://deb.debian.org) roughly be? |
| 16:06.55 | PaulePanter | Fetched 55.9 MB in 29s (1,875 kB/s) |
| 16:06.55 | PaulePanter | https://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org |
| 16:07.13 | PaulePanter | This morning with cdn-fastly I had 10 MB/s. |
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| 16:09.21 | cyphix | I have a problem with icedove. It does not start anymore. When I try to launch it from the terminal, it immediately gives me the prompt back, without displaying any message. Any idea what it happens and how to fix it? |
| 16:09.43 | babilen | PaulePanter: That really depends on your downlink |
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| 16:11.28 | PaulePanter | babilen: I know, but in this case itâs a research institut with a 100 MBit/s up- and downlink. |
| 16:11.47 | PaulePanter | babilen: So Iâd say itâs independent from that in my case. |
| 16:12.34 | mtn | cyphix, souns like it is running in the background. check your processes |
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| 16:15.29 | cyphix | mtn: no, it's not, and that's what's weird |
| 16:15.39 | babilen | PaulePanter: In which case you should get "enormous speed" - But who knows how your AS is peering |
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| 16:15.59 | jelly | PaulePanter: what apt does on an update or upgrade, is different from getting one large file and streaming it as fast as it can go |
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| 16:16.11 | mtn | cyphix, rename your .icedove folder and then try starting it |
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| 16:17.24 | jelly | I have my own mirror and a gigabit connection to the DC and still apt-get update takes its sweet time |
| 16:17.41 | jelly | rreds don't help |
| 16:17.54 | PaulePanter | babilen: Indeed, I need to check that. |
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| 16:18.37 | PaulePanter | jelly: Then something else a miss, as I get 10 MB/s (megabyte) at home over TV cable with apt-get â¦. |
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| 16:19.41 | babilen | PaulePanter: There might also be mirrors in your education network with which you peer directly (e.g. other universities/research institutes) - also downloading multiple small packages will take longer. |
| 16:19.59 | jelly | PaulePanter: apt is totally not optimized for speed at all. The version in stretch will be a bit better. |
| 16:20.24 | lhx | PaulePanter: apt in sid is much faster than apt in jessie |
| 16:20.40 | lhx | i don't really use apt in jessie, but I do a bunch in sid |
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| 16:22.17 | jhutchins_wk | PaulePanter: I have always assumed that downloads from the mirrors were limited at the server, either by load or throttling. |
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| 16:22.27 | jhutchins_wk | PaulePanter: sid may be faster simply because it has fewer users. |
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| 16:23.49 | jhutchins_wk | PaulePanter: With other distros I've definitely experienced a severe drop in performance when there's a fresh release, and I almost always see significantly less than my theoretical speed on downloads. |
| 16:24.02 | jhutchins_wk | PaulePanter: Catalog updates tend to go quickly on good connections. |
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| 16:24.47 | cyphix | mtn: still nothing |
| 16:25.14 | mtn | cyphix, odd. tried purging and reinstalling icedove? |
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| 16:28.41 | jhutchins_wk | cyphix: Also look for (hidden) files in your home directory, check perms, etc. Consider moving them aside or testing as a new user. |
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| 16:29.31 | PaulePanter | jhutchins_wk: Interesting. Iâll keep an I on that to hopefully pinpoint the bottleneck. |
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| 16:37.19 | jhutchins_wk | cyphix: http://news.softpedia.com/news/mozilla-thunderbird-email-client-finally-makes-its-way-back-into-debian-s-repos-513059.shtml |
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| 16:38.12 | jhutchins_wk | ,v thunderbird |
| 16:38.13 | judd | Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- sid: 1:45.7.1-1 |
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| 17:20.09 | transhuman_ | can anyone tell me how do i resolve error config variable ${APACHE_LOG_DIR} is not defined...I realize I am half way between debian and alpine-linux...but this seems to be my last error...its almost as if its not seeing the envvars file |
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| 17:26.11 | jhutchins_wk | transhuman_: Define APACHE_LOG_DIR |
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| 17:28.42 | transhuman_ | normally jhutchins_wk its defined in envvars and envvars is loaded by what? |
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| 17:29.11 | transhuman_ | I think i haven't put this last link in there properly to get it to do it the debian way |
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| 17:36.16 | keltim | transhuman_, envvars should be loaded by /etc/init.d/apache2 ... I'm not sure how the unit file interacts with it though |
| 17:36.37 | transhuman_ | thanks for the hint keltim |
| 17:36.51 | keltim | I've occaissionally had that problem but solved by just ". /etc/apache2/envvars" in my shell |
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| 17:40.14 | keltim | my gripe currently is that many services do not exit >0 when starting a service fails. squid and now apache. Am I doing something wrong? |
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| 17:41.42 | keltim | whether by systemctl start service or /etc/init.d/service start |
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| 17:44.27 | keltim | are we not to depend on init scripts or unit files exit codes anymore? |
| 17:45.34 | drupi | Hi. I'd like to install debian with RAID 1 support. I wonder, how does the system (grub) know that it must use RAID when booting? |
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| 17:46.16 | yukip | bios does raid, grub only sees one drive |
| 17:46.31 | yukip | unless software raid |
| 17:46.43 | drupi | yukip: this would be software raid |
| 17:46.44 | keltim | which is probably what drupi is refering to |
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| 17:47.31 | drupi | i guess there would be an initramfs which loads raid support? |
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| 17:48.31 | keltim | I assume grub references an mdX which is created by the ram image containing the appropriate software raid drivers, but it's been a while since I fooled with software raid |
| 17:49.42 | keltim | or it could be like lilo and boot from either one referenced by its device name, not sure |
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| 17:59.57 | transhuman_ | thanks for that keltim I will use that method if I have to but I am trying to replicate the debian way of running apache on alpine linux so I am trying to coordinate a better solution |
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| 18:02.10 | uzjsn | is there some piece of software which takes a .deb file and makes a repo from it? |
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| 18:03.01 | jelly | uzjsn, there are loads, reprepro is one. Ask the bot about other options: /msg dpkg reprepro, /msg dpkg own repo |
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| 18:03.32 | dmitry | Hello! |
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| 18:03.51 | dmitry | I just added more verbose output to checkbashisms script, but I don't know how to send pull-request to this repo: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/devscripts.git |
| 18:04.09 | dmitry | Good script btw |
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| 18:04.54 | jelly | dmitry, maybe file a Priority: wishlist bug on devscripts package? |
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| 18:07.25 | dmitry | No bugs, I just added more output to script for example: possible bashism in ../bash/saymyname line 54 ($MACHTYPE should be "$(gcc -dumpmachine"): |
| 18:07.47 | dmitry | I just don't know how to make pull-request |
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| 18:08.16 | jhutchins_wk | transhuman_: Sorry, it's defined in the apache config files in /etc/apache/ |
| 18:08.37 | jhutchins_wk | transhuman_: It can be in different places depending on who sets it up. |
| 18:09.02 | jhutchins_wk | Usually though the directory is defined in the main file: /etc/apache/conf/apache.conf |
| 18:09.25 | jhutchins_wk | transhuman_: It can also be defined per-host on a multi-site server. |
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| 18:09.39 | jelly | dmitry, filing a wishlist bug is the most obvious way I can think of to request a feature addition |
| 18:09.49 | jhutchins_wk | transhuman_: Ah, yes, apache2 not just apache. |
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| 18:10.46 | dmitry | I asking for a console command to send pull request with new version of script to server |
| 18:10.53 | jhutchins_wk | transhuman_: It might be useful to have a Debian VM available to check things. We can help you fix that and you can figure out how to transfer things. |
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| 18:11.16 | dmitry | Where is wishlist? |
| 18:11.33 | psychoticwarrior | whats up dmitry |
| 18:11.37 | greycat | wishlist is a priority that you assign to a bug |
| 18:12.06 | dmitry | I can do it myself, and want to send new version of 'checbashisms' script to debian repo |
| 18:12.41 | dmitry | I'm fine, how are you? |
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| 18:13.00 | John__ | did anyone manage to actually get the opensans font in debian on lxde? |
| 18:13.08 | John__ | I installed the https://packages.debian.org/sid/texlive-fonts-extra package but it's not appearing in font selection menus. |
| 18:13.10 | jelly | dmitry, maybe ask in #debian-mentors or irc.oftc.net (= irc.debian.org) if they know of an easier way to contribute |
| 18:13.19 | jelly | on* irc.oftc.net |
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| 18:13.47 | dmitry | join #debian-mentors |
| 18:13.53 | jelly | different irc network |
| 18:14.06 | dmitry | ok |
| 18:14.12 | jelly | this is freenode, OFTC is different server |
| 18:15.03 | John__ | was that addressed to me? |
| 18:15.33 | dmitry | Thanks |
| 18:16.16 | jelly | John__, nope |
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| 18:24.21 | Shadow_7 | John__: perhaps you need to do manual steps. fc-cache -f -v |
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| 18:24.57 | Shadow_7 | John__: or mkfontscale, mkfontdir in the path that it exists. Although in theory the package management system should handle that stuff. |
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| 18:26.25 | Shadow_7 | John__: it should show up in fc-list (face name) and xlsfonts (long name). Bitmap fonts might need extra steps. dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
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| 18:47.38 | Xorin_5s5 | Can I use nestat to see the ping from a different user? |
| 18:48.13 | greycat | ping does not create TCP or UDP sessions |
| 18:48.24 | greycat | (hell, even UDP doesn't even create a sessioN) |
| 18:49.04 | Xorin_5s5 | I saw a raw protocol |
| 18:49.08 | greycat | though to be honest, I am not entirely sure what you mean by "the ping" |
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| 18:49.52 | Xorin_5s5 | the ping command |
| 18:50.04 | greycat | It sends an ICMP packet. There's no trackable state. |
| 18:50.19 | greycat | What are you trying to do? |
| 18:52.26 | bezaban | you can see incoming icmp with a packet sniffer |
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| 18:53.10 | Xorin_5s5 | I realised that someone logged in on a different tty and left the ping command running cause he didn't knew how to stop it. I could see its process with who but I was curious why in nestat I can't see it |
| 18:53.11 | bezaban | assuming you have something like that available on the device it hits |
| 18:53.37 | bezaban | oh right. misunderstanding again. disregard |
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| 18:54.04 | greycat | Because ICMP packages are instantaneous blips, not keeping a "session" open that netstat can reprot. |
| 18:54.12 | greycat | Bah. Packets. report. |
| 18:55.27 | Xorin_5s5 | Damn. Thanks a lot anyway |
| 18:55.50 | teraflops | Xorin_5s5: use e.g tcpdump |
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| 18:59.23 | teraflops | oh I missread it too :S |
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| 19:03.14 | transhuman_ | thanks jhutchins_wk, I have one and debian works I just seem to be missing a small piece of the puzzle |
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| 19:19.24 | transhuman_ | heltim thanks a lot for all your help..I ended up going with your work around, I added the line to the /etc/init.d/apache2 file |
| 19:20.08 | transhuman_ | I think the bottom line has something to do with the init scripts being written totally different. |
| 19:20.16 | transhuman_ | anyways thanks |
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| 19:40.36 | Dexter_F | heya |
| 19:41.26 | Dexter_F | I must have compiled and installed a version of taglib to /usr/local at some point, now it is used instead of the one in the deb, which by now is newer |
| 19:41.34 | Dexter_F | how do I get it out cleanly? |
| 19:41.49 | greycat | If you didn't use anything like stow, just rm it. |
| 19:42.08 | somiaj | Dexter_F: if you have the source you may be able to 'make install' from the source tree, or as greycat suggests |
| 19:42.14 | somiaj | arg make uninstall |
| 19:42.49 | Dexter_F | can't find the src, must have rm'ed it assuming not needed anymore. |
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| 19:42.56 | somiaj | note you may have to rm stuff from /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/lib and /usr/local/share |
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| 19:43.22 | somiaj | Dexter_F: not all sources have an uninstall make target, so it may have not worked anyways. |
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| 19:43.54 | teste | Hi, i'm trying install a new package version and received this error: |
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| 19:44.17 | teste | status triggers-pending systemd:amd64 215-17+deb8u6 |
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| 19:46.16 | somiaj | teste: what does dpkg --configure -a do? |
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| 19:46.49 | somiaj | teste: and it errored out and gave you back a prompt, it didn't just take time to do whatever it needed to do? |
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| 19:47.19 | minibar | hey guys |
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| 19:48.04 | minibar | trying to run postgresql temporarily on a filesystem backup I have, but it says it can't create a ipv4 socket. tried many ports always the same |
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| 19:48.11 | linuxthefish | hey, what could "insserv: Starting startencryptd depends on minissdpd and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true!" mean? O.o |
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| 19:48.35 | teste | somiaj dpkg --configure -a has this output: |
| 19:48.35 | somiaj | ,v apt |
| 19:48.36 | judd | Package: apt on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie-security: 1.0.9.8.4; jessie: 1.0.9.8.4; stretch: 1.4~rc1; sid: 1.4~rc2 |
| 19:48.40 | teste | dpkg --configure -a Processing triggers for systemd (215-17+deb8u6) ... |
| 19:48.40 | dpkg | teste: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 19:49.38 | somiaj | teste: please paste the whole output at paste.debian.net -- that output seems fine, it sounds like it needs to finish running the postinstall script. |
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| 19:50.00 | minibar | this is the command I used for postgresql https://paste.debian.net/916632/ |
| 19:50.17 | Dexter_F | gets weirder. I can't find that old libtag. pkg-config mentions /usr/local in its .pc file but there is libtag.a, not any .so. what's .a then? |
| 19:50.45 | somiaj | teste: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=769609 -- I found this older bug report, but it was suposally fixed in 1.0.9.5 (and jessie has 1.0.9.8.4) -- seems there was an issue with packages being half-installed or not configured correctly. You may need to --reinstall the ofending packgae, but that output from dpkg sounds fine, did it actually process those triggers or just stop? |
| 19:50.46 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/769609 in apt (closed): «apt: does not process pending triggers»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-10-25; last modified: 2015-01-26. |
| 19:50.55 | greycat | Dexter_F: .a is the static library |
| 19:51.13 | greycat | If there is no shared lib, or if you link with -static, it'll use the static library |
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| 19:51.51 | somiaj | minibar: running this as root? |
| 19:52.00 | minibar | somiaj as postgres |
| 19:52.14 | minibar | as root is not allowed |
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| 19:52.28 | somiaj | linuxthefish: are you running jessie? What command did you run to trigger that error? If using systemd you should see what systemctl status service outputs vs using the old sysvinit tools (which have a compadability layer) |
| 19:52.44 | minibar | Im in a bit of an emergency, any quick hacks appreciated |
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| 19:52.49 | somiaj | minibar: did you try any ports over 1024, normal users dno't have permision to open up low numbered ports. |
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| 19:53.21 | linuxthefish | somiaj it's wheezy :S |
| 19:53.22 | minibar | somiaj yes 44434 12345 44444 |
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| 19:53.42 | somiaj | minibar: well that was my only idea, maybe someone else might know more, or try a postgres channel |
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| 19:53.55 | minibar | isn't this about permissions or something? |
| 19:54.03 | somiaj | linuxthefish: ahh, well check the LSB header of the init script in /etc/init.d/, seems it has a dependency that isn't being met |
| 19:54.35 | somiaj | minibar: did you chroot into this backup filesystem? |
| 19:54.48 | linuxthefish | i don't even want startencry stuff :( |
| 19:54.50 | somiaj | minibar: my only thought on permisions was a non-root user trying to open up a low port number, but that done'st seem to be the case. |
| 19:55.22 | minibar | somiaj not at all |
| 19:55.46 | minibar | 0700 in all files for the postgres |
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| 19:56.00 | minibar | owned by postgres |
| 19:56.04 | linuxthefish | ah sorted nvm somiaj thanks, i just deleted this crap :p |
| 19:56.09 | jspiros | I'm getting "lockd: cannot monitor <client>" errors in dmesg |
| 19:56.19 | minibar | its LOG: could not bind IPv4 socket: Address already in use |
| 19:56.19 | jspiros | and the client can't access NFS shares without stalling |
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| 19:56.42 | jspiros | I /used/ to be able to restart nfs-common, and that would magically fix this |
| 19:56.51 | teste | somiaj sorry man, i had another problems in here. I'll try come back here to find or to give a solution. Thx |
| 19:56.51 | jspiros | but now /lib/systemd/system/nfs-common.service -> /dev/null |
| 19:57.20 | somiaj | minibar: well those were my two thoughts, either a low level port or you didn't hvae /dev, /proc, /sys inside the chroot. I cannot think of any other reason it won't be able to open up that port. |
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| 19:57.29 | greycat | "address already in use" is pretty clear |
| 19:57.47 | minibar | greycat i've tried at least 10 different ports |
| 19:57.55 | minibar | random |
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| 19:58.10 | somiaj | you can see if they are being used with netstat, there is alos the error could not open usermap file "/postgrebackup/9.4/main/pg_ident.conf" |
| 19:59.09 | jspiros | does anyone have any suggestions for how I can fix this problem? I've tried restarting nfs-kernel-server |
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| 19:59.19 | jspiros | as well as rpcbind, not sure why, but figured I'd try |
| 19:59.21 | lhx | jspiros: have you tried turning it off and on? |
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| 20:00.23 | lhx | maybe you've updated your kernel and you need to reboot |
| 20:00.29 | bezaban | minibar: is it a remotely mounted filesystem? are you sure you have the permissions? any special mount flags? This is just general troubleshooting. Do you have SELinux, Apparmor or similar? |
| 20:00.41 | jspiros | lhx: nope, this is after a fresh boot |
| 20:00.44 | bezaban | this is just general troubleshooting, not really looking for anything specific |
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| 20:01.06 | bezaban | oh, I put that in the first line |
| 20:01.51 | minibar | bezaban local fs, I don't have any of those afaik |
| 20:02.06 | bezaban | hm |
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| 20:03.08 | minibar | somiaj they are not being used. after running the postgres though they become like this: http://dpaste.com/1PD175S |
| 20:03.09 | bezaban | have you tried explicitly binding to the ip address? |
| 20:03.19 | minibar | bezaban how can I do that |
| 20:04.07 | bezaban | sec, I'll install it here |
| 20:04.26 | bezaban | often with debian there is a file in /etc/default for that |
| 20:04.41 | somiaj | hmm, strange it seems postgres is binding to those ports, then trying to bind again |
| 20:05.00 | bezaban | but that doesn't seem to be case with postgres. likely in the conf then |
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| 20:06.02 | somiaj | minibar: do you have any other ips besides localhost for ipv4 configured. Seems it is binding to locahost just fine, but not to your other ip, so maybe change the ip from 0.0.0.0 to just 127.0.0.1 and connect via localhost |
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| 20:06.25 | somiaj | which is what bezaban is suggesting |
| 20:06.29 | bezaban | minibar: listen_addresses in /etc/postgresql/9.4/main/postgresql.conf, but you can't change that without root access |
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| 20:06.36 | hp | Hi' |
| 20:07.02 | bezaban | or HUP or restart the service :/ |
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| 20:08.05 | bezaban | oh wait, use your config from local fs |
| 20:08.24 | bezaban | probably you can specify that from the command line. I don't use postgres much though |
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| 20:09.04 | bezaban | s/local fs/backup fs/ |
| 20:09.11 | bezaban | how are you starting it? |
| 20:09.36 | minibar | somiaj correct, it is indeed working in localhost, thanks for the help |
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| 20:11.27 | lhx | jspiros: tried this |
| 20:11.30 | lhx | ?: http://sophiedogg.com/lockd-and-statd-nfs-errors/ |
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| 20:14.28 | bezaban | oh. |
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| 20:14.46 | lhx | jspiros: ^^ |
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| 20:19.10 | yukip | screenshot time!, http://imgur.com/fbcHQoi |
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| 20:25.03 | jelly | politely points yukip to #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:46.07 | cybrNaut | Debian users could have been protected from CloudBleed if this 7-month old bug had been fixed: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=831835 |
| 20:46.08 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/831835 in iceweasel (open): «iceweasel: Padlock icon indicates a secure SSL connection established w MitM-ed»; severity: important; opened: 2016-07-20; last modified: 2016-07-20. |
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| 20:47.41 | somiaj | cybrNaut: what version of firefox does that affect? |
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| 20:49.07 | cybrNaut | somiaj: all of them |
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| 20:53.54 | somiaj | cybrNaut: that sounds like a bug that should be reported/sent upstream. If it has been fixed upstream you should inform the matainer what version, though newer versions of firefox will be brought in due to securty issues |
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| 20:57.50 | cybrNaut | somiaj: the author of that report could not report it upstream because the Mozilla bug tracker is hostile toward anonymous contributors. There was a reliance on someone else mirroring the report upstream |
| 21:03.19 | jspiros | lhx: thanks, I'll give that a try |
| 21:03.19 | jspiros | lhx: in the meantime, I just set nolock on the clients' mounts, since I don't need locks anyway in my use case, but I'll try that out and test, since I don't like leaving things unfixed |
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| 21:04.43 | Dexter_F | $ pkg-config --exists --print-errors "taglib >= 1.9" |
| 21:04.45 | Dexter_F | Requested 'taglib >= 1.9' but version of TagLib is 1.8.0 |
| 21:04.53 | Dexter_F | I have no idea how it gathers that 1.8 |
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| 21:07.20 | Dexter_F | libtag1-dev, is that the dev package for TagLib? |
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| 21:07.48 | somiaj | Dexter_F: did you clean out all the older stuff in /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/lib, /usr/local/share? |
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| 21:09.08 | Dexter_F | somiaj: /usr/local/lib/libtag.a was the only libtag fiel I could find other than the .so versions from the official jessie package. I renamed it to .bkp. |
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| 21:11.00 | somiaj | Dexter_F: -dev will contain .h files for the headers, those might be on your system too |
| 21:11.09 | somiaj | Dexter_F: find /usr/local |
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| 21:12.20 | Dexter_F | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/916639/ |
| 21:12.53 | somiaj | Dexter_F: inside /usr/local/include, that is where the headers (.h) files are located that your build is finding. |
| 21:13.24 | somiaj | Dexter_F: the /bin/taglib-config as well, I would just move all those out of /usr/local |
| 21:15.58 | Dexter_F | somiaj: moved them to /root, ran ldconfig, still ./configure sees that 1.8.0 :( |
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| 21:25.04 | pc | hey everybody - I got a really shitty problem with a luks encrypted lvm drive and it's driving me mad - can anybody please help me?? |
| 21:25.08 | Dexter_F | somiaj: /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/taglib.pc says: Version: 1.8.0. just delete? |
| 21:25.25 | Dexter_F | pc: describe the problem |
| 21:25.51 | somiaj | Dexter_F: I would remove all files assoicated with that lib. The problem with local installs and not using stow is you sometimes have to track them all down. |
| 21:26.22 | pc | Dexter_F: so Cryptography Setup fails after 3 failed password attempts. I'm dead sure I'm using the correct password. I tried mounting it in a live USB environment with cryptsetup, didn't work either. I tried an older kernel. Didn't work too. |
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| 21:28.02 | Dexter_F | pc: obvious issues: keyboard setting? fancy key in it like " which moves on different layouts? |
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| 21:28.22 | Dexter_F | pc: does cryptsetup allow key files? |
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| 21:29.00 | pc | Dexter_F: I tried with US Keyboard Layout - didn't work. Is there anyway to check in the emergency shell what layout I'm using? Also in the Live USB, I could double check that the password is typed correctly... |
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| 21:29.32 | pc | Dexter_F: not sure - I'm gonna check. |
| 21:29.48 | Dexter_F | pc: hmm.. german keyboard? |
| 21:30.15 | Dexter_F | somiaj: deleted .pc files, now continues in configure |
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| 21:30.41 | pc | Dexter_F: yes |
| 21:30.51 | Dexter_F | layout: well, does it so an ö or an : when you press Ö? |
| 21:30.54 | Dexter_F | *do |
| 21:31.03 | pc | Dexter_F: and it does allow keyfiles. I'm trying it out right now. |
| 21:31.11 | pc | Dexter_F: yes |
| 21:31.14 | Hello71 | REPLACEMENT CHARACTER |
| 21:31.34 | Dexter_F | Hello71: and a good evening to you, sir |
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| 21:32.09 | pc | well. actually in the emergency shell it doesn't find ä or alike. but typing in the password in cleartext shows the same password. |
| 21:32.17 | Dexter_F | pc: asked for keyfiles in case you used one when creatign the volume and forgot it |
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| 21:32.48 | Dexter_F | if you type the passwd in clear text into the shell, does it look ok then? |
| 21:32.53 | pc | Dexter_F: didn't set it up with a keyfile. |
| 21:32.56 | pc | Dexter_F: yup. |
| 21:33.06 | Dexter_F | pc: same kernel? |
| 21:33.10 | Dexter_F | same distro? |
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| 21:33.46 | pc | Dexter_F: sorry - same kernel and same distro as what? |
| 21:34.19 | Dexter_F | pc: oh, so you did not move the lvm and the disk it sits on around or so, this setup worked liek that and now stopped? |
| 21:34.42 | pc | Dexter_F: yeah right! |
| 21:34.46 | Dexter_F | somiaj: thanks btw |
| 21:35.03 | Dexter_F | pc: raid or single disk? |
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| 21:35.11 | Dexter_F | pc: debian 8? |
| 21:35.15 | pc | Dexter_F: it is incredibly strange, as I didn't had any update before it happened or anything else... |
| 21:35.31 | pc | Dexter_F: no it's qubes. |
| 21:35.46 | Dexter_F | I don't know what qubes is. |
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| 21:36.15 | pc | It's an operating system, based on linux - but Cryptsetup works the same obviously. |
| 21:36.39 | kInOzAwA | pc: I already answer you question on qubes channel |
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| 21:36.53 | pc | kInOzAwA: sry I didn't see that :O |
| 21:36.58 | pc | kInOzAwA: what did you answer? |
| 21:37.13 | kInOzAwA | ask it again in the right channel |
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| 21:42.50 | Dexter_F | is not impressed with qubes |
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| 21:43.38 | somiaj | pc: you should please respect our choice here in #debian to support debian and not some other debian based system. |
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| 21:44.36 | jelly | or reproduce the issue on an actual debian installation |
| 21:46.33 | Dexter_F | is it even deb based? I read it uses rpm.. |
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| 21:47.31 | somiaj | still applies, (: |
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| 22:11.28 | linuxfailsagain | how blacklist that dccp kernel module? (it gives local user unauthorized root apparently)? |
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| 22:13.14 | mcrt | linuxfailsagain: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 22:13.19 | Dexter_F | put it in blacklist? |
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| 22:15.07 | Dexter_F | linuxfailsagain: you could use windows, of course |
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| 22:16.52 | linuxfailsagain | Dexter_F: I do |
| 22:17.21 | linuxfailsagain | Dexter_F: and as for secure OS, there is OpenBSD, or grsecurity |
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| 22:18.53 | Dexter_F | linuxfailsagain: then why bother with linux |
| 22:19.15 | linuxfailsagain | Dexter_F: grsecurity is linux |
| 22:19.39 | Dexter_F | linuxfailsagain: but isn't it bound to fail |
| 22:19.40 | linuxfailsagain | and some servers have pure debian on it |
| 22:19.53 | linuxfailsagain | Dexter_F: linux yes (as we see each time), grsecurity nope |
| 22:20.45 | linuxfailsagain | as for the blacklisting, I ask since searching web leads to https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
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| 22:21.09 | lizzie | what's wrong with that wiki page? |
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| 22:21.39 | linuxfailsagain | which mentions not just doing "blacklist dccp", but also some strange install .. /bin/true . Is that part still needed |
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| 22:22.16 | lizzie | no, that's only if you need to blacklist it so hard that it won't be loaded if you manually do "modprobe dccp" |
| 22:22.27 | lizzie | a regular blacklist line in the conf will keep it from loading at boot |
| 22:23.03 | Dexter_F | I don't know, I'm just working this up to the point where I can point out your nickname is deliberately set to annoy people |
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| 22:23.43 | lizzie | I find it easy to not take people like that seriously :P |
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| 22:23.52 | lizzie | "linux is so bad, please help me with my linux" yeah ok, I'm soooo offended |
| 22:24.10 | Dexter_F | lizzie: I want my trolls to have some style. |
| 22:24.33 | lizzie | problem is, people with style keep finding better things to do besides troll :P |
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| 22:25.18 | awal1 | How to make my system not detect an extra monitor without unplugging (unplug the extra monitor)? |
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| 22:26.10 | awal1 | I have several monitors here and tired plugging/unplugging them |
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| 22:26.33 | lizzie | awal1: to clarify, do you care if your system doesn't detect the monitor, or is this just about your x server not using it? |
| 22:26.35 | Dexter_F | awal1: xrandr lets you control state and relative position |
| 22:26.58 | Dexter_F | I have some scripts here to for example switch off the second head when I game |
| 22:27.46 | lizzie | yeah, scripting with xrandr is probably what you want. technically X will still detect the monitor, but then just not display to it |
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| 22:27.57 | Dexter_F | xrandr --output DVI-I-1 --off <- it will come up with two, tho, if you want that at start, you need to edit xorg.conf, if you have an nvidia card I'd recommend their setup tool (works only with binary drivera fair) |
| 22:28.09 | Dexter_F | *driver afair |
| 22:28.12 | awal1 | lizzie, Dexter_F, I want to make my system detect them and turn them on when needed not durring boot. xrandr ... --off turns off the extra monitors just in X |
| 22:28.32 | awal1 | basically I want them plugged but not detected |
| 22:28.35 | lizzie | you haven't specified when they're needed |
| 22:28.44 | awal1 | :P |
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| 22:28.56 | Dexter_F | monitor blacklisting. well, what's new. |
| 22:29.15 | lizzie | you also haven't explained what the difference is between what you want, and turning off the monitors just in X |
| 22:29.15 | Dexter_F | https://xkcd.com/963/ |
| 22:30.33 | awal1 | I mean detected but not displaying on them since boot |
| 22:30.53 | awal1 | something like xrandr ... --off but since boot |
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| 22:31.10 | awal1 | well, maybe a stupid idea |
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| 22:31.26 | linuxfailsagain | Dexter_F: my nickname is correct as evidenced by constant appearance of local-root bugs in linux. It's just a gentle push so maybe someone can one day ask someone to tell Linus to start be about security more like OpenBSD |
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| 22:32.20 | kittens123 | but there you go Dexter_F if you're so easily offended ;) |
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| 22:33.26 | mcrt | linuxdaemon: openbsd hardware support is.. not there |
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| 22:33.26 | awal1 | Dexter_F, xorg.conf will not affect tty's, obviously |
| 22:33.50 | Dexter_F | linuxfailsagain: sounds to me like you keep failing to make decisions and measly whine in other peoples faces instead |
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| 22:34.03 | lizzie | awal1: often you can configure in your bios what monitor your computer displays on at bootup. at least initially, it's not up to linux |
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| 22:34.56 | Dexter_F | awal1: I had to shift around my cabling quite a bit before I got the proper head came up with grub. tty usually only is on main |
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| 22:35.15 | lizzie | awal1: ok here, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/193470/how-do-i-change-which-monitor-the-tty-shows-up-on |
| 22:35.32 | lizzie | awal1: this describes how to use a kernel parameter to instruct the framebuffer on which display(s) to use |
| 22:35.41 | lizzie | awal1: you will still have to configure X itself appropriately |
| 22:36.05 | lizzie | your computer might still show the initial POST and GRUB on whatever monitors it chooses, before the kernel loads and takes control |
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| 22:36.22 | lizzie | but I hope it helps. anything before that, you'll have to see if your bios can be configured how you want |
| 22:36.38 | Dexter_F | I remember someone once requested a patch for the X checkerboard to be all black instead because they used it on a military ship bridge and the captain was rather niggling about what's a light source on his bridge and what isn't |
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| 22:37.16 | lizzie | Dexter_F: hehe. I can sympathize. I generally sit in dark rooms and enjoy my all-black wallpapers :P |
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| 22:37.18 | Dexter_F | we went him to Slackware which actually patched that out since 2006 or so |
| 22:37.26 | Dexter_F | *sent |
| 22:37.29 | awal1 | lizzie, Dexter_F, ok, thanks, I'll check that (link), bios and blacklisting and see what I can do |
| 22:37.29 | lizzie | oh hehe |
| 22:37.37 | lizzie | these days it's not an issue because nobody sees the x checkerboard right? |
| 22:37.47 | lizzie | awal1: good luck |
| 22:38.00 | awal1 | :) |
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| 22:38.53 | Dexter_F | nah, those days are over. if back then someone said we'd heave "kernel based mode switching" on framebuffers... (yes I know, "I have been doing that for so long" means "whoa look how things changed") |
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| 22:40.16 | Dexter_F | gotta run, before kittens123/lfa finishes the nmap sweep on me to prove a point ;) |
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| 22:42.02 | Diogenes_ | Good evening. |
| 22:42.39 | Diogenes_ | I just upgraded my system to testing, and Gnome settings has stopped recognizing my touchpad. |
| 22:42.53 | Diogenes_ | Currently it works as a mouse would. |
| 22:43.21 | mtn | Diogenes_, this is not #debian-next, or even the correct server |
| 22:43.36 | mtn | Diogenes_, they just told you the channel name and location |
| 22:44.09 | Diogenes_ | Oh, I'm sorry. |
| 22:44.43 | Diogenes_ | Wait, they just directed me to look for #debian-next |
| 22:44.59 | Diogenes_ | Should I look for it in Freenode, then? |
| 22:45.13 | somiaj | Diogenes_: you should stop cross posting, stick in one channel/network |
| 22:45.15 | mtn | Diogenes_, no. it is on oftc.net, right where you were ;) |
| 22:45.40 | awal1 | Diogenes_, connect to OFTC server (now you are in Freenode) then connect to #debian-next channel |
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| 22:47.00 | Diogenes_ | Ok, I noticed where I messed up. XD I'm going there now. |
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| 22:57.33 | downloading | When i try to install Debian with a usb I get this error https://ibb.co/ee4W3v |
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| 22:58.36 | John__ | did anyone manage to actually get the opensans font in debian on lxde? |
| 22:58.43 | John__ | I installed the https://packages.debian.org/sid/texlive-fonts-extra package but it's not appearing in font selection menus. |
| 22:58.58 | John__ | sorry for repeating myself. |
| 22:59.04 | John__ | just wondering if anyone has a solution. |
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| 23:12.23 | Shadow_7 | John__: did you see my previous. You can force it manually. |
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| 23:13.37 | Shadow_7 | John__: xset fp+ /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/fonts/truetype/public/opensans/ && xset fp rehash && fc-cache -f -v |
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| 23:15.03 | John__ | Shadow_7, I'll try it, thanks. |
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| 23:15.11 | Shadow_7 | John__: It may require some mkfontscale and mkfontdir action in the directory. Or /etc/fonts/local.conf type methods too add that path, but it should work fine. |
| 23:16.01 | Shadow_7 | I didn't really see that path in the /etc/fonts/ configs. But it's distro supplied, so one would hope. Baring special things that make it only work for texlive. |
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| 23:16.27 | Shadow_7 | I mostly copy fonts to ~/.fonts which is listed in /etc/fonts/ stuff. |
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| 23:16.55 | Shadow_7 | You only need mkfontscale and mkfontdir when the contents of said location changes. |
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| 23:28.32 | GTAXL | How do I change rsyslog to use this date format on messages? 2017-02-24T18:27:56-05:00 |
| 23:28.48 | GTAXL | as right now it's using Feb 24 18:27:49 |
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| 23:52.15 | wilson | GTAXL: if you google "rsyslog iso 8601" you will find a number of hits. |
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| 23:56.40 | GTAXL | is it this? |
| 23:56.41 | GTAXL | $ActionFileDefaultTemplate RSYSLOG_TraditionalFileFormat |
| 23:56.45 | GTAXL | as that's uncommented already in the config |
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