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| 00:06.02 | dragutux | howdy, so i just installed a fresh jessie install on a virtualbox, i can login to ssh "user@localhost" without troubles but not from local pc or externally, so i do ponder what need to be changed / what is blocking exactly |
| 00:06.50 | somiaj | dragutux: sounds like the virtual network is not setup correctly for portforawrding or routing, what is the host? |
| 00:07.04 | dragutux | its setup, i get the prompt |
| 00:07.13 | dragutux | it's just plainly refusing my passwords |
| 00:07.36 | dragutux | never had such a problem before, i've been a debian user since potato |
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| 00:08.02 | somiaj | what user are you suing? |
| 00:08.09 | somiaj | root or a normal user? |
| 00:09.52 | dragutux | i repeat : i can't login |
| 00:09.52 | dragutux | ssh login |
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| 00:11.09 | dragutux | i can login & su regularly from local console |
| 00:11.09 | dragutux | and i can "ssh user@localhost" without a problem from the local console |
| 00:11.09 | dragutux | its the remote login that's failing |
| 00:11.42 | somiaj | dragutux: netstat -a (is ssh listening on your external interface? have you tried ssh externalip address from inside the vm?) |
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| 00:12.56 | dragutux | hù |
| 00:12.57 | dragutux | hm |
| 00:13.14 | dragutux | there's a ssh prompt in putty |
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| 00:13.28 | dragutux | again : fresh jessie install |
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| 00:14.16 | somiaj | Yes I got that, it should be listening, to me it shounds more like a network issue of the host. My last tests were to ensure it was the (virtual) network of the host and not just the server wasn't listening on the outside ip |
| 00:14.52 | somiaj | you could also grab the ip from 'ip a', make sure the interface is configured and then ssh to the ip from inside the vm. |
| 00:14.54 | dragutux | i mean no offense but : |
| 00:15.17 | dragutux | i'm a gamedev, 16+ years of experience, first time ever that a sshd does that and i've been using linux since 1992 |
| 00:15.52 | dragutux | is there nothing that has been changed in sshd security that could be screwing me over ? where's the log ? i have no logs in syslog |
| 00:16.01 | dragutux | Using username "dragutux". |
| 00:16.01 | dragutux | dragutux@192.168.56.1's password: |
| 00:16.01 | dragutux | Access denied |
| 00:16.09 | dragutux | that's the only info i get |
| 00:16.11 | somiaj | okay, but that doesn't solve the problem. By default it should be working, but it isn't, so lets try to track down the problem |
| 00:16.17 | dragutux | BUT i can log from the local console |
| 00:16.29 | somiaj | dragutux: you did that from inside the local console? |
| 00:16.37 | dragutux | that's from putty |
| 00:16.44 | dragutux | i get a ssh prompt, it refuse me access |
| 00:16.46 | dragutux | plain & simple |
| 00:16.59 | dragutux | no network issue whatsoever in connecting :) |
| 00:17.04 | somiaj | you only said you did ssh user@localhost from inside, do ssh user@192.168.56.1 form inside |
| 00:17.10 | dragutux | no |
| 00:17.22 | dragutux | <dragutux> howdy, so i just installed a fresh jessie install on a virtualbox, i can login to ssh "user@localhost" without troubles but not from local pc or externally, so i do ponder what need to be changed / what is blocking exactly |
| 00:17.22 | dragutux | <somi |
| 00:17.36 | dragutux | i mean no offense but i said it all there ...... |
| 00:17.57 | somiaj | yes I got that, you said you can ssh user@localhost, I want to see if you can ssh user@192.168.56.1 from inside the console. |
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| 00:18.10 | dragutux | "but not from a local pc or externally" |
| 00:18.20 | dragutux | let me see |
| 00:18.39 | somiaj | dragutux: what is the output if 'ip a' from inside the vm (again I want to avoid the host, and see what the guest is configured as) |
| 00:18.41 | dragutux | shouldnt be able as 192.168.56.1 is external ip not internal |
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| 00:18.57 | dragutux | (NAT will block it) |
| 00:19.22 | dragutux | scratch that, it did accept |
| 00:19.28 | dragutux | but i still get a failed login |
| 00:19.53 | somiaj | dragutux: okay ssh -vvv user@ip from inside the the guest, Lets see if we can track this down. |
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| 00:19.56 | dragutux | https://www.twitch.tv/thegstudios <-- i'm live |
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| 00:21.02 | dragutux | https://www.liveedu.tv/g-studios/ (also there) |
| 00:21.19 | dragutux | it says its a know host notably |
| 00:21.32 | somiaj | okay, anyways there is some output, be nice if you could paste it to paste.debian.net to see it better |
| 00:21.57 | dragutux | thats going to be problematic... |
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| 00:22.08 | somiaj | is the guest not on the network? |
| 00:22.21 | dragutux | virtualbox doesnt have a mouse shell driver :/ |
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| 00:22.23 | dragutux | that's the problem |
| 00:22.34 | somiaj | !pastebinit |
| 00:22.35 | dpkg | A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 00:22.57 | somiaj | if you are on the network you could send the output to paste.debian.net with that tool, as for the mouse integration you can install |
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| 00:23.06 | somiaj | ,v virtualbox-guest-dkms |
| 00:23.07 | judd | Package: virtualbox-guest-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; sid/contrib: 5.1.14-dfsg-2 |
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| 00:23.25 | somiaj | though don't know if that works for shells, but that is beside the point |
| 00:23.44 | somiaj | dragutux: I agree it is strange that it is not working, I cannot think of anything that would prevent it from working so trying to debug what the issue is. |
| 00:23.45 | dragutux | if pastebinit works |
| 00:23.57 | dragutux | fine with that |
| 00:25.01 | somiaj | dragutux: try ssh -vvv user@ip 2>&1 >log |
| 00:25.42 | dragutux | might be a gssapi what not bug .. |
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| 00:26.44 | somiaj | dragutux: yea it is just hard to read the log over twitch. Unsure why that isn't pipe it into a log, one second |
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| 00:29.18 | somiaj | dragutux: this worked for me, 'ssh user@ip 2>&1 | tee tmplog' |
| 00:29.27 | somiaj | forgot the -vvv |
| 00:30.19 | dragutux | and my internet keeps jumping for whatever reason... (i think night maintenance..) |
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| 00:31.27 | dragutux | i can pipe a |more at the end |
| 00:31.48 | somiaj | well the tee should print it to the screen and put it in the log, ran a test here and it worked. |
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| 00:32.29 | somiaj | but by default on jessie I cannot think of anything that would allow you to login via localhost but not via the ipaddress |
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| 00:37.32 | dragutux | GRMBL |
| 00:37.43 | dragutux | what the fuck got failed in the jessie default conf >__< |
| 00:38.38 | somiaj | you can also check /var/log/auth.log and see if it says why the authentication is failing. |
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| 00:45.18 | dragutux | i'm totally lost.. |
| 00:45.27 | dragutux | this should be working |
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| 00:47.09 | dragutux | this always worked before |
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| 00:50.39 | dragutux | AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 00:50.44 | dragutux | found the culprit |
| 00:50.59 | dragutux | it needed a bridged connection and not a NAT one |
| 00:51.33 | dragutux | stupid me >___< |
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| 00:52.25 | dragutux | welp, the more you know >__< |
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| 00:52.35 | dragutux | thanks for the help attempt, i'm now setup |
| 00:53.31 | dragutux | cya people :) |
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| 02:56.07 | rapha | newcoder: perhaps the maintainer David S. Fox? |
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| 02:56.11 | Diogenes_ | Hi |
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| 03:22.20 | Teststst | Can anyone answer how to remove partions on a usb stick? My usb stick is splitted up in 3 parts and I wish to remove all the partions so it's only 1 volume on it |
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| 03:22.47 | missmbob | Teststst: gparted is a really easy way |
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| 03:32.15 | efloid | k_sze[work]: systemctl --failed |
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| 03:32.52 | k_sze[work] | efloid: Is that like an alias for ` systemctl list-units --all --state=failed`? |
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| 03:34.16 | k_sze[work] | hmm, I guess it doesn't really include the semantic of `--all`? |
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| 03:35.12 | happygilmoregent | can apt-get be repaired |
| 03:36.16 | happygilmoregent | Traceback (most recent call last): |
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| 03:36.16 | happygilmoregent | ImportError: No module named 'anydbm' |
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| 03:36.35 | happygilmoregent | where is anydbm? |
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| 03:39.45 | happygilmoregent | can I be seen? |
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| 03:44.58 | zykotick9 | happygilmoregent: it doesn't appear that it's a debian package, or at least it's not called anydbm... https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=anydbm |
| 03:45.39 | zykotick9 | oh sorry, thought that was a package you where trying to install... i got nothin' best of luck. |
| 03:45.49 | happygilmoregent | apt-listchanges says can't find anydbm |
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| 03:47.40 | happygilmoregent | wont' let me remove apt-listchanges |
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| 03:55.53 | Diogenes_ | Hello. |
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| 03:56.43 | happygilmoregent | simple implicit shebang declaration |
| 03:57.28 | Diogenes_ | I'm having my Network History graph look like fields with a few montains popping here and there. |
| 03:57.41 | Diogenes_ | apt update is taking AGES. |
| 03:57.41 | apt | ...but update is already something else... |
| 03:58.14 | Diogenes_ | ... |
| 03:58.22 | Diogenes_ | How so? XD |
| 03:59.21 | Diogenes_ | Anyway, slow connection! The same is not happening with other devices. And this started very recently. |
| 04:00.00 | happygilmoregent | how do I run modules aka .py files |
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| 04:00.21 | happygilmoregent | I am using a book to learn python and it says simply F5 from idle but it does nothing |
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| 04:11.53 | transhuman | s/sue/use |
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| 04:21.49 | JetBalsa | Trying to use BOOTPC, not finding a ton of docs on it. Having issues with it pulling any config / IP address, ipconfig eth0 up 0.0.0.0; route add default dev eth0; bootpc --verbose -- debug |
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| 04:22.10 | JetBalsa | but bootpc never sees it |
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| 04:32.19 | veek | guys hexchat crashes when you enter #bitcoin, segmentation fault |
| 04:32.24 | veek | on debian 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.39-1 (2016-12-30) i686 |
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| 04:33.55 | veek | it's outdated |
| 04:34.03 | veek | and insecure |
| 04:34.26 | Hello71 | !pkg hexchat |
| 04:34.28 | Hello71 | uh |
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| 04:49.09 | missmbob | veek: hexchat has a newer version in jessie-backports you know |
| 04:49.30 | veek | ah let me check - i don't use that |
| 04:50.42 | missmbob | veek backports also has a 4.9 kernel if you want |
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| 04:51.33 | veek | ah no - i tend not to stray from main |
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| 04:55.15 | veek | sec reboot |
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| 04:56.46 | veek | ah did the trick - thanks |
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| 05:56.15 | BlueProtoman | I'm trying to configure a server's network with DHCP, but it keeps failing: "Your network is probably not using the DHCP protocol. Alternatively, the DHCP server may be slow or some network hardware is not working properly." But I have another computer on the same network (the laptop I'm typing this from right now) that works just fine? |
| 05:57.10 | gtxbb | maybe you should check ipv4/ipv6 |
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| 05:57.29 | BlueProtoman | gtxbb: Can you elaborate? |
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| 05:58.39 | BlueProtoman | Wait, no, never mind |
| 05:58.49 | BlueProtoman | I picked the wrong ethernet interface |
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| 06:08.28 | djpoo | hi anyone here can help me with installing grub |
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| 06:12.32 | yukip_ | sudo apt-get install grub? |
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| 06:12.50 | yukip_ | if your on a live cd chmod in |
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| 06:19.18 | djpoo | [21:18] <djpoo> i install kali from usb and from some resson i was unable to install 2 think . [21:18] <djpoo> package manager and grub. i finsh the install without them. and i open live kali from usb [21:19] <djpoo> from some reasson i try all what there is on internet installing kali grub and without a succeses [21:19] <djpoo> please help me guys i have right now no o.s without cd-rom in my laptop and only with my usb. |
| 06:19.33 | missmbob | !kali |
| 06:19.34 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 06:19.44 | missmbob | djpoo: we dont support that here ^ |
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| 06:20.08 | djpoo | oh |
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| 06:20.55 | djpoo | ok but its not related to kali linux it's related to the grub |
| 06:21.14 | missmbob | no |
| 06:21.41 | djpoo | erm no1 answering in kali-linux forum and chat |
| 06:21.51 | djpoo | i'm stuck with the problem 2 days already without o.s |
| 06:22.13 | themill | djpoo: part of your choice of distro perhaps should be the availability of support. |
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| 06:22.46 | djpoo | well hehe that's right but i needed kali for the pent testing. |
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| 06:23.14 | missmbob | doesnt make it on topic in #debian |
| 06:23.18 | djpoo | btw i dunno why u guys so anti kali it's based ob debian no? |
| 06:23.42 | gtxbb | i think this goes for all derivatives |
| 06:23.44 | missmbob | !based on debian |
| 06:23.44 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 06:24.01 | gtxbb | a distro is about the community around it... |
| 06:24.13 | missmbob | "please respect our choice" |
| 06:24.19 | gtxbb | distro developers change things, so the procedure for fixing things differs |
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| 06:25.03 | djpoo | i will respact ur choice. i just wanted to know alittle bit more inforamtion but i got it. |
| 06:25.03 | djpoo | ty. |
| 06:25.34 | djpoo | and just to my knowladge if u don't mind . |
| 06:26.05 | djpoo | i never install Pure debian is there alot of changes in the distro between them? |
| 06:26.18 | gtxbb | djpoo, i never installed kali |
| 06:26.39 | djpoo | oh really. ok and ur using debian as ur main? |
| 06:26.43 | gtxbb | looks away |
| 06:26.45 | missmbob | "based on" for example ubuntu is a *totally* different beast. so yeah |
| 06:26.49 | themill | djpoo: you'd ask the kali developers. |
| 06:26.54 | themill | !u |
| 06:26.54 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 06:27.33 | x032cx | !kali |
| 06:27.33 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 06:28.16 | djpoo | ok have a great day guys. |
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| 06:58.38 | Freenoodle | can someone tell me whether on Stretch the kernel has Tuxonice support? There is the tuxonice-userui package, but in /usr/share/docs/tuxonice-userui it doesn't say what you need to do to get kernel support, while the package description says: "A kernel patch for TuxOnIce is available separately." but where is it? |
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| 07:10.18 | Freenoodle | Nevermind, I see tuxonice hasn't been updated for newer kernels |
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| 07:28.45 | YaddNodax | Hi, i have installed Debian to a libreboot Taurinus X200, but whenever I boot it keeps dropping my to "BusyBox" |
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| 07:29.17 | YaddNodax | I've been following these instructions: https://libreboot.org/docs/gnulinux/encrypted_debian.html |
| 07:29.38 | YaddNodax | I've taken screenshots and logs of what happened at every stage: http://pastebin.com/xFTz0m4Z |
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| 07:29.57 | YaddNodax | Would anybody be able to help me get past BusyBox into Debian? |
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| 07:33.55 | jelly | YaddNodax, 3.19 doesn't look like a debian kernel, and you're mentioning trisquel in the paste. Which distro are you actually trying to use? |
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| 07:36.33 | YaddNodax | Sorry, I meant Trisquel, not Debian |
| 07:36.38 | YaddNodax | they seemed similar enough |
| 07:37.01 | jelly | can you try reproducing the issue with actual debian? |
| 07:37.25 | YaddNodax | ahhh... you mean starting the whole installation all over using Debian instead of Trisquel? |
| 07:37.31 | jelly | precisely |
| 07:37.36 | YaddNodax | ehhhh |
| 07:37.43 | YaddNodax | if possible i'd look to do that as a last resort |
| 07:38.02 | jelly | that's what you need to do if you want to get help from this channel. |
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| 07:38.09 | jelly | !trisquel |
| 07:38.09 | dpkg | Trisquel is a Spanish distribution initially based on Debian, now Ubuntu. It is not supported in #debian. http://trisquel.info/en #trisquel on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on Debian>. |
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| 07:38.54 | YaddNodax | ahhh, i see |
| 07:38.59 | YaddNodax | thank you |
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| 07:39.16 | jelly | with a different kernel, different initrd, distro twice removed from debian, people with debian expertise cannot know what differences there are |
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| 07:54.30 | choice | Good Morning |
| 07:55.03 | choice | Some VPS providers offer to backup the VPS without you installing anything. Some demand you install a backup software on your machine. Any opinions, which solution is better? |
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| 08:06.34 | heartknowledge | how do I reinstall a package and all its dependencies? my dolphin filebrowser started showing up as some strange interface with broken icons and menus: http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=112884 |
| 08:07.02 | heartknowledge | but it's a stretch system, so the later issue *might* be a debian testing issue |
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| 08:08.49 | jelly | heartknowledge, reinstalling might not fix it. Create a fresh new user, log in as that one and verify it's still broken with a pristine home directory (and no previous saved settings) |
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| 08:11.01 | heartknowledge | jelly, okay, thanks |
| 08:11.22 | heartknowledge | :) |
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| 08:41.27 | sparty | ????? ???? ???? |
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| 08:43.29 | MaliciousUser | i am l33t haxx0r and i am here to destroy you |
| 08:44.06 | n4dir | but sure not for long ... |
| 08:44.21 | MaliciousUser | why not? |
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| 08:45.29 | MaliciousUser | everyone join ##crack-cocaine |
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| 08:45.48 | iflema | whs in the offical channel |
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| 08:46.43 | iflema | s/crack/crap |
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| 08:48.09 | n4dir | looks like i can trust my crystal ball ... |
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| 09:11.08 | deitarion | Is it a known issue that journald appears to ignore limits set on memory usage? |
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| 09:12.23 | deitarion | (I have a memory-constrained VPS, so I set journald to use persistent storage, then set up a loop to fire off systemd-cat as quickly as possible and journald prefers to climb to well over twice the limit I set before finally dropping its memory usage again.) |
| 09:12.58 | deitarion | (The limit in question being defined via RuntimeMaxUse) |
| 09:15.31 | deitarion | A bit of a disappointment since I can probably get better memory efficiency out of running both journald and inetutils-syslogd and then setting journald to Storage=none. |
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| 09:22.31 | Iridos | well⦠https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=systemd; |
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| 09:22.58 | Iridos | #793372 maybe |
| 09:23.00 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/793372 in systemd (closed, moreinfo): «systemd breaks LXC cgroup memory limitations»; severity: important; opened: 2015-07-23; last modified: 2017-02-13. |
| 09:24.25 | Iridos | huh⦠cgroups break there or did I skim too quickly |
| 09:24.59 | Iridos | guess not, then |
| 09:25.09 | deitarion | Yes. This is a case of "I'm using vagrant+VirtualBox to develop an ansible deployment script for a 256MiB OpenVZ VPS", so cgroups is pretty irrelevant. |
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| 09:28.24 | deitarion | As for reporting a new one, let me procrastinate it a bit by finishing the Firefox bug report I'm working on (Ctrl+S breaking if subresources can't be retrieved) and getting lunch first. I hate the debbugs UI. |
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| 09:34.34 | rapidshot64 | ETA for debian stretch? |
| 09:35.21 | jelly | !wwsr |
| 09:35.21 | dpkg | Well... it's starting to get distinctly chilly... Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help> https://udd.debian.org/bugs/ |
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| 09:36.39 | rapidshot64 | !help |
| 09:36.49 | bazhang | with what |
| 09:37.37 | Iridos | actually⦠Debian 8 Jessie released! should go from the topic⦠and instead it should say that stretch is frozen |
| 09:37.56 | Iridos | â¦and link to the rc bugs page |
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| 09:38.13 | Iridos | or reference wwsr |
| 09:38.21 | rapidshot64 | uh.. I type !help becuase I'm just curious about what other command bot have |
| 09:38.26 | jelly | rapidshot64: that was supposed to be an answer to your question. Debian does not set dates, it will be released when it's sufficiently bug-free |
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| 09:39.49 | Iridos | jelly, do something for all that money we're not paying you! |
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| 09:44.42 | jelly | !search dpkg |
| 09:44.43 | dpkg | You can search my database on the web at http://ircbots.debian.net/ or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at http://crito.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>. |
| 09:44.47 | jelly | maybe that? |
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| 09:48.30 | Iridos | nope |
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| 10:17.42 | Wegg | If I want to try another wind |
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| 10:18.04 | Wegg | window manager, how do you switch between them after I have installed it? Is it part of the default login? |
| 10:18.30 | deitarion | Wegg: Most display managers will provide a selector on the login screen. |
| 10:18.30 | bazhang | logout and login, if you meant DE |
| 10:18.58 | deitarion | However, if you want to try a non-default login manager within a Desktop Environment, that'll depend on the DE. |
| 10:19.01 | Wegg | What is Debian's default display manager? |
| 10:19.10 | Wegg | What do you mean by DE? |
| 10:19.22 | bazhang | kde gnome etc |
| 10:19.29 | Wegg | Oh. I'm usig Openbox. |
| 10:20.03 | deitarion | As for the default display manager, I can't help you there. I use Debian for servers. |
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| 10:20.27 | bazhang | lightdm or gdm I suppose |
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| 10:20.50 | Wegg | I'm kind of itching to try Wayland with Sway. |
| 10:21.16 | Wegg | Need to back everything up so I feel safe experementing. :-) |
| 10:21.30 | Wegg | Thank you for your help. |
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| 11:06.41 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
| 11:08.15 | crash_ | hey |
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| 11:25.52 | {0}_{0} | what is the shutdow-minator process? |
| 11:27.31 | {0}_{0} | must be a firefox thing |
| 11:28.18 | jolt | Wegg: You can switch with sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager if you have multiples |
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| 11:30.20 | BluesKaj | using google chrome but stretch/kde won't accept it as default browser in systems settings>applications (usr/bin/google-chrome).There isn't much on google search. It's an irritant more than a real problem, but a pita just the same. |
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| 11:30.39 | tw | "shutdown-minotar" actually sounds like a great name for a power management policy daemon |
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| 11:31.01 | tw | *minotaur |
| 11:32.27 | zykotick9 | BluesKaj: does "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" (there also might be a kde-www-broswer?) list google-chrome (i assume not)... |
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| 11:33.47 | jolt | zykotick9: Mine does actually list /usr/bin/google-chrome-stable with that |
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| 11:33.52 | domovoy_ | hi |
| 11:34.04 | zykotick9 | jolt: ummm, good to know, thanks. |
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| 11:35.10 | domovoy_ | some checkup before i download the stuff: does the netinst cd ask what desktop environment i want? or does it install the default one? or do i have to install it manually? |
| 11:35.42 | babilen | domovoy_: You can choose in the expert installer. Not sure if the non-expert one offers you a choice also (haven't used it in decades) |
| 11:35.47 | zykotick9 | domovoy_: the netinst give several different DE options (or none if you uncheck them all) |
| 11:36.04 | domovoy_ | great, thanks |
| 11:36.27 | zykotick9 | babilen: the default netinst give several desktop options these days... |
| 11:36.50 | BluesKaj | zykotick9, ok thanks , forgot about thay command ...Ill logout to see i it works |
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| 11:37.00 | babilen | zykotick9: As I only ever use the expert installer I have no idea which options you can choose if you use the standard one |
| 11:37.26 | domovoy_ | so i can assume that if i use netinst and tell it i want xfce, i'll get the same thing as with the -xfce cd? (with the diff that packages will be downloaded) |
| 11:37.28 | babilen | (and I would expect them to be a subset of the options offered during the expert installation) |
| 11:37.32 | zykotick9 | babilen: ya, the standard one has a "funny" selection for DEs actually? i hear it was a last minute addition. |
| 11:37.40 | babilen | funny? |
| 11:38.00 | babilen | dpkg: install xfce |
| 11:38.00 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Xfce" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages. |
| 11:38.08 | zykotick9 | i has "install default desktop" <- or similar, then selection for Gnome direction underneith it. |
| 11:38.16 | babilen | Yeah, exactly |
| 11:38.29 | domovoy_ | great, thanks |
| 11:38.38 | babilen | Wasn't sure if that dialogue is also presented during the non-expert installation (which is why I qualified my statement) |
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| 11:44.25 | tw | that screen, `tasksel`, is in every install except automated, as far as I know. |
| 11:44.48 | babilen | Great |
| 11:45.04 | babilen | I only perform automated or expert installations |
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| 11:47.25 | BluesKaj | Zyferus, unfortunately the cli command setting doesn't link to system settings or the browser, anyway i can live with it |
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| 11:48.17 | BluesKaj | zykotick9,^ |
| 11:48.57 | BluesKaj | sorry Zyferus , wrong nick |
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| 11:50.37 | zykotick9 | BluesKaj: if you try again, i'd suggest looking into how KDE sets it's default browser (i'm unfamiliar with kde). well, hope you find the answer someday. |
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| 11:52.54 | BluesKaj | zykotick9, kde sets it in system settings>applications and it works for FF ESR, but not chrome, probly because it's not from the repos |
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| 11:57.50 | zykotick9 | BluesKaj: but... shouldn't there be a way to edit that setting->applications list... anyways, i'm not help. good luck. |
| 11:59.21 | BluesKaj | yes there is , but apparently the link doesn't work |
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| 12:26.16 | tw | Is there a best practices guide to packaging kernel modules for internal use? I want my module to get pulled in by machines that have it selected when they install the kernel version it depends on but not conflict with itself. This seems like a job for virtual packages, but the policy manual section 3.6 reads like it won't install them in parallel if multiple kernel versions are installed. |
| 12:26.42 | jelly | what do you mean not conflict with itself? |
| 12:27.18 | tw | Same module, different kernel version, different install location. |
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| 12:27.38 | jelly | why would they conflict |
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| 12:28.26 | jelly | tw: package name should embed the kernel abi, like nvidia-kernel-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 12:28.27 | tw | So I don't want a name like custom-mod1 supporting 4.8, 4.9, etc. the version number has to be part of the name somehow but the package must be selected without that version extension, otherwise it'd have to be explicitly selected. |
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| 12:29.05 | tw | I'll read that module's package specs, hopefully that'll help. |
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| 12:30.29 | jelly | or ship dkms and let it build at installation time |
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| 12:30.55 | jelly | (which requires linux headers and relevant gcc installed) |
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| 12:31.26 | tw | not enough resources on the target + signed execution. =( |
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| 12:34.43 | tw | Actually, no, that's a more reasonable solution than I thought, thanks. |
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| 12:43.14 | smhar | greetings |
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| 12:44.15 | smhar | today I tried to upgrade the kernel in my debian stable to linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-rt-amd64 but got this error: Depends: linux-base (>= 4.3~) but 3.5 is to be installed .... E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 12:44.27 | smhar | how to solve this? |
| 12:45.34 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 12:45.34 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 12:45.49 | petn-randall | smhar: Can you include all of the above information in a paste? http://paste.debian.net |
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| 12:47.27 | smhar | apt-get install linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-rt-amd64 >> http://paste.debian.net/916390/ |
| 12:47.45 | smhar | apt-cache policy linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-rt-amd64 >> http://paste.debian.net/916391/ |
| 12:48.11 | unborn | petn-randall: yes I would love to see it as well.. |
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| 12:48.29 | smhar | apt-cache policy linux-base |pastebinit >> http://paste.debian.net/916392/ |
| 12:49.04 | unborn | smhar: Can you include all of the above information in a paste @ http://paste.debian.net? - requested earlier? |
| 12:49.19 | smhar | oops. ok |
| 12:49.21 | n4dir | apt-get -t jessie-backports install "package" |
| 12:49.35 | n4dir | wild guess. |
| 12:49.46 | petn-randall | smhar: Yeah, you're missing the actual command for the first paste, I'm guessing you forgot the -t jessie-backports bit. |
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| 12:54.26 | smhar | petn-randall, unborn : http://paste.debian.net/916395/ |
| 12:54.30 | Wzup | How do I turn off openvpn in console? I manually start it but I need to disable it again.. 50000 diff commands in this. |
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| 12:55.04 | petn-randall | Wzup: How do you start it? |
| 12:55.08 | smhar | petn-randall, oh.. I thought 4.9 was in debian stable! |
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| 12:55.24 | unborn | smhar: just following your paste, how did you start the update? |
| 12:55.34 | Wzup | sudo openvpn --config "cd file" --daemon |
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| 12:56.00 | unborn | be right back - poping into diy shop for server washers |
| 12:56.09 | smhar | unborn, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ... then the apt-get install linux-image |
| 12:56.39 | petn-randall | Wzup: If you start it like that by hand, you can only terminate it by sending it a SIGTERM. See 'man kill' for details. |
| 12:56.45 | smhar | ok... I tried the -t jessie-backports and it is working |
| 12:57.01 | smhar | now I am wondering if I should go ahead or not :-) |
| 12:57.06 | tw | Wzup: or pkill might be more helpful in your case. |
| 12:57.25 | urzds | Hi! |
| 12:57.37 | unborn | smhar: just follow petn-randalls advice regards -t release-backports and it should give you joy |
| 12:57.52 | urzds | Are there UEFI-capable Debian live images available somewhere? Something experimental maybe? |
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| 12:58.09 | Wzup1 | I did kill -9 -1, ez solution. Thank you, Mr. |
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| 12:59.10 | Wzup1 | Or nevermind lol. That command kills every jobb I CAN kill. Looks like I can't kill this one? |
| 12:59.24 | Wzup1 | Nevermind, it |
| 12:59.27 | Wzup1 | s working |
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| 12:59.36 | n4dir | smhar: what are you wondering about? |
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| 13:00.16 | tw | Wzup1: if you use pkill, you can provide the process name. Or you can discover the process ID like `ps -ef | grep openvpn` |
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| 13:02.04 | Wzup1 | tw: Thx |
| 13:02.12 | n4dir | or pgrep |
| 13:02.35 | Wzup1 | Is there any kill command that is like, universal? Easy to discover all and easy to kill? |
| 13:02.44 | Timmy13 | I'd like to get a software recommendation: I would like to collect data from sensors (e. g. temperature sensor) that send their values unregularly, e. g. every time the temperature changes at least one degree. With what software or in which structure should I save such data to be usable later, for example for graphing? A simple csv file with timestamps, a separate one for every sensor? |
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| 13:05.30 | tw | Wzup1: if browsable lists are more your game, install htop, use arrow keys & f9 |
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| 13:06.09 | n4dir | Wzup1: something like: for i in $(pgrep openvpn); do pkill "$i"; done ? |
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| 13:07.05 | squigz | won't pkill kill the processes matching the pattern? |
| 13:07.09 | squigz | why look through the results of pgrep |
| 13:07.12 | squigz | loop |
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| 13:07.34 | tw | ^- pkill is what I suggested first. |
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| 13:08.17 | n4dir | indeed |
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| 13:12.11 | Wzup1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:12.49 | Wzup1 | So everything that is "debian" is a job that I can kill, and not root right? |
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| 13:13.09 | tw | I wouldn't do it that way, no. |
| 13:13.22 | tw | Use systemctl for managing services. |
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| 13:14.35 | gebruiker | Guys what do you think of ext4 vs xfs for desktop pc? |
| 13:14.39 | gebruiker | reading lots of good stuff about xfs |
| 13:15.11 | Wzup1 | tw: ok thanks. both is handy :) |
| 13:15.31 | Cork | why on earth is extent depending on x11-common and xterm?? |
| 13:16.02 | Cork | (trying to use unbuffer on a server and don't want to install x11 to do that...) |
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| 13:18.06 | Cork | opps sorry i meant expect not extent |
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| 13:21.12 | n4dir | xterm seems to come with it as a Recommends, Try --no-install-recommends |
| 13:21.40 | Cork | AHA!, i learn something new today! |
| 13:21.49 | Cork | n4dir: thx a bunch that solved it |
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| 13:22.05 | n4dir | :-) |
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| 13:25.11 | Cork | ah... though it won't work without tk8.6 and it requires x11-common... |
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| 13:26.16 | n4dir | ah, Well; i couldn't really figure out the details. |
| 13:27.10 | Timmy13 | I'd like to get a software recommendation: I would like to collect data from sensors (e. g. temperature sensor) that send their values unregularly, e. g. every time the temperature changes at least one degree. With what software or in which structure should I save such data to be usable later, for example for graphing? A simple csv file with timestamps, a separate one for every sensor? |
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| 13:35.35 | tw | Timmy13: depends on how complicated you want to get. I'd probably go straight to some graphing system like mrtg or cacti. rrdtool databases are not great for irregular events though, and can lose rapidly changing conditions if faster than your time quantum. |
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| 13:36.28 | tw | A flat csv file like you're suggesting is easily graphable in gnuplot or whatever you want, so you have a lot of options. |
| 13:36.35 | Timmy13 | tw thanks for the hint. I actually did not want to use rrdtool specifically because of that. If temperature changes 20 times a minute, then not for hours, I want 20 entries. |
| 13:37.10 | Timmy13 | tw with easily graphable you also mean if having input files like I just stated: different pauses between values? |
| 13:38.01 | Timmy13 | And then: should I start a new file every day (for every sensor), or let it continue on and on ... (okay, I could merge them anytime with 'cat' ...) |
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| 13:39.20 | tw | Right, and filter them with awk -F, '($1 > sometime1 && $1 < sometime2){print $0}' |
| 13:39.33 | tw | etc. |
| 13:39.36 | tw | it's very fast. |
| 13:39.52 | tw | Unless you have a crapload of datapoints, but weather simply doesn't change that fast. |
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| 13:40.22 | Timmy13 | tw sounds good to me ... |
| 13:40.50 | Timmy13 | Then I'll do just that: simple enough to build, and clear to use. Thank you! |
| 13:41.32 | tw | If you do need complex analytics, import to excel like all the scientists do. |
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| 13:42.57 | Timmy13 | tw I'm no scientist, and excel specialist, but I think this software would have problem with doing nice graphs if the data points are not in a continuous spacing ... |
| 13:43.32 | Timmy13 | of course with plotting, I would very much like the graph to be clean relative to time, you know? |
| 13:43.56 | Timmy13 | Maybe that's the point where it gets difficult ... |
| 13:44.02 | tw | gnuplot will do what you need. There are plenty of examples of working with scatterplot style datasets. |
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| 13:45.46 | tw | Timmy13: here's a s.o question doing pretty much exactly what you described: http://stackoverflow.com/q/17791828 |
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| 13:49.01 | Timmy13 | tw thanks for the link. Still, I'm not sure if this is what I meant: In my case, three (maybe consecutive) lines would be missing (because no change in 'data in' value), and three more at 15:58:03, 15:58:17 and 15:58:19 could be there. Or do you mean that "autoscale" statement should compensate for that? |
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| 13:54.16 | smhar | n4dir, I am wondering if I should upgrade the kernel to one from backports |
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| 13:55.45 | n4dir | smhar: that was quite a time lag :-) I for one don't care much for new kernels. If the actual one doesn't support the hardware, i use the newer one. Else: like said, i don't care much. |
| 13:55.51 | n4dir | but the opinion might differ. |
| 13:56.21 | n4dir | otoh: try it, if it doesn't work, or doesn't give you any pleasure, just boot into the old one and remove the new one again. no biggie |
| 13:57.48 | n4dir | smhar: i am pretty tired, not sure if i made it clear. If in doubt: wait for other answers. |
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| 13:58.01 | smhar | n4dir, had to put baby back to sleep. the current one works fine with my laptop.. the only thing is the wifi dropping connection |
| 13:58.06 | tw | Timmy13: It will place them on the timeline in the appropriate location; it is aware of what "time" means. |
| 13:58.44 | smhar | n4dir, but I also though that trying a realtime kernel maybe increase the performance of the desktop responsiveness |
| 13:59.58 | n4dir | i see. Like said: i would simply give it a try. As far i can see, no big harm can be done. |
| 14:00.09 | tw | smhar: If you're not encountering a bug or missing a feature, I'd say stick with what you've got. Don't change what isn't broken. |
| 14:00.19 | Timmy13 | tw well, that sounds great. Much better than excel! ;) |
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| 14:00.28 | Timmy13 | thanks for you help! |
| 14:00.50 | n4dir | back then the liquorix kernel was quite hip (i for one never see a difference, just saying) |
| 14:01.00 | tw | Timmy13: you're welcome. |
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| 14:04.17 | tw | I run grsec from backports, but that's probably just paranoia and tinfoil hat. |
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| 14:07.17 | webly | hi |
| 14:07.28 | webly | So I started ngrok tool, and detached it (tmux - ctrl+d) |
| 14:07.48 | webly | but apparently after my terminal/console crashed (and reset) the ngrok process seems terminated |
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| 14:15.32 | jelly | webly: did the tmux session survive at all? |
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| 14:16.03 | webly | jelly: no, tmux crashed, too |
| 14:16.11 | webly | but I expected to revive it after starting it again |
| 14:16.15 | webly | I entered tmux |
| 14:16.18 | webly | then I list the sessions |
| 14:16.23 | webly | and find out the only session is the current one :O |
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| 15:05.48 | jelly | !nickometer {0}_{0} |
| 15:05.50 | dpkg | '{0}_{0}' is 99.380% lame, jelly |
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| 15:08.28 | OwenBarfield | Does Debian GNU/Linux have a partition editor? |
| 15:08.37 | petemc | several |
| 15:08.47 | petemc | fdisk, cfdisk, parted |
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| 15:10.57 | petn-randall | sfdisk, sgdisk, gparted ... |
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| 15:11.15 | petn-randall | OwenBarfield: If you want a GUI one, go with gparted. |
| 15:11.42 | jelly | or just get the current gparted live image and boot that |
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| 15:12.07 | petn-randall | !nickometer jelly |
| 15:12.09 | dpkg | 'jelly' is 0.000% lame, petn-randall |
| 15:12.30 | petn-randall | Is that rounded down, though? |
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| 15:13.17 | jelly | who can say |
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| 15:13.49 | dTal | how does the nickometer work? |
| 15:14.09 | n4dir | probably looking for special characters |
| 15:14.19 | dTal | No, it's more than that |
| 15:14.22 | petn-randall | !nickometer n4dir |
| 15:14.23 | dpkg | 'n4dir' is 14.000% lame, petn-randall |
| 15:14.30 | n4dir | not that bad |
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| 15:14.37 | dTal | !nickometer dTal |
| 15:14.38 | zykotick9 | a number at end of nick = 14% lame. a number 1 at end of nick = 20% lame. |
| 15:14.38 | dpkg | 'dTal' is 8.000% lame, dtal |
| 15:14.40 | petn-randall | It looks for leet speek, amongst other things. |
| 15:15.02 | n4dir | sure fun thing |
| 15:15.04 | petn-randall | !nickometer zykotick9 |
| 15:15.06 | dpkg | 'zykotick9' is 14.000% lame, petn-randall |
| 15:15.08 | dTal | am I being penalised for case? |
| 15:15.10 | petn-randall | hehehe |
| 15:15.13 | dTal | !nickometer Dtal |
| 15:15.15 | dpkg | 'Dtal' is 0.000% lame, dtal |
| 15:15.23 | dTal | !nickometer DTal |
| 15:15.25 | dpkg | 'DTal' is 14.000% lame, dtal |
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| 15:15.34 | petn-randall | dTal: time for a rename? ;) |
| 15:15.38 | dTal | I completely disagree with its assessment. |
| 15:15.40 | greycat | Message the bot, please. |
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| 15:16.03 | petn-randall | dTal: It's completely scientific and infalsible. ;) |
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| 15:17.14 | henkla | new cmus |
| 15:17.17 | henkla | ops |
| 15:17.47 | frosite | when i try to backport and build handbrake from sid https://packages.debian.org/sid/handbrake to jessie stable x64 and when running: fakeroot debian/rules binary the terminal gives: https://paste.debian.net/916424/ ? what is rong with compilation? |
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| 15:43.50 | r0ck | hey ppl! where could I get stretch rc2 with non free firmware cd? |
| 15:43.56 | r0ck | netinstall? |
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| 15:47.50 | awal1 | any xmonad user here using xmobar? |
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| 15:49.08 | awal1 | how to prevent xmobar from launching another instance when restarting X in the fly (without log out)? |
| 15:52.10 | Wzup | Hey guys. Is there any way to see maps / path of the folders threw the terminal? Working with only terminal here but I don't remember the path to a folder.. |
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| 15:53.37 | baum | Wzup: maps? |
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| 15:53.50 | baum | Wzup: pwd |
| 15:53.57 | baum | (for the path) |
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| 15:54.45 | Wzup | maps as in folders i meant. I used find it seemed to work |
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| 15:56.58 | baum | awal1: check what "pidof xmobar" returns |
| 15:58.28 | awal1 | baum, I'll do when I restart :P |
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| 16:02.51 | jhutchins_wk | Wzup: locate |
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| 16:04.56 | ambient | Hi, I tried out a kernel upgrade yesterday and saw that things like dual monitor settings could no longer be applied and at boot there were complains about 'unable to find microcode', could a newer kernel have those things applied and I missed a step or are those things reserved for stable debian kernels? |
| 16:05.29 | jhutchins_wk | !microcode |
| 16:05.29 | dpkg | Microcode are instructions/structures for implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me about <non-free sources>. http://wiki.debian.org/Microcode |
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| 16:07.00 | ambient | So it is just for stable, not newer kernels then |
| 16:07.07 | ambient | Thankls jhutchins_wk |
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| 16:10.06 | greycat | Huh, how is this the first time I've ever heard of this microcode issue... |
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| 16:10.57 | ambient | greycat, I was referring to when I upgrade a kernel, certain things like being unable to set up my dual monitors and the complaint of a lack of microcode |
| 16:11.13 | ambient | greycat, But those things are okay when I use the stable kernel provided |
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| 16:11.50 | greycat | I mean the larger issue as described on http://wiki.debian.org/Microcode |
| 16:12.27 | ambient | greycat, You can get microcode for the 3.16 kernel, but not newer, on Debian. Apparently. |
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| 16:12.46 | greycat | good thing we're in #debian and not #debian-next then |
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| 16:13.35 | ambient | greycat, I am on newer hardware so I wanted to see if I could get some benefits, but some on this channel suggested I would not experience much of a difference |
| 16:13.37 | jhutchins_wk | ,v intel-microcode |
| 16:13.38 | judd | Package: intel-microcode on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 1.20150121.1; jessie-backports/non-free: 3.20161104.1~bpo8+1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 3.20161104.1~deb8u1~bpo7+1; jessie/non-free: 3.20161104.1~deb8u1; sid/non-free: 3.20161104.1; stretch/non-free: 3.20161104.1 |
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| 16:14.13 | jhutchins_wk | Looks like microcode is available for newer kernels in backports. |
| 16:14.28 | ambient | jhutchins_wk, I have backports |
| 16:14.41 | tw | ambient: It's extremely unlikely to be microcode related. I'd check to make sure all your kernel modules are available in your new kernel first. |
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| 16:15.18 | ambient | tw, So I have to change the kernel settings and recompile it? |
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| 16:16.38 | tw | Check your Xorg log to see if your DRM stuff loaded the same as it did on the older kernel, and figure out which kms driver you were using in the old kernel. Then make sure you've got the same driver in your new kernel. |
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| 16:18.28 | jhutchins_wk | ambient: No. |
| 16:18.48 | ambient | jhutchins_wk, Explain. No what? |
| 16:19.18 | jhutchins_wk | ambient: It should pull any kernel modules as dependencies, but you may need xorg modules/drivers updated as well. Search for your chipset and see what it requires. |
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| 16:19.38 | newbie22 | do any of you guys know anything about virtualbox |
| 16:19.41 | jhutchins_wk | ambient: If you're using something like the AMD drivers for a Radeon, you need to rebuild those against the new kernel. |
| 16:20.01 | jhutchins_wk | newbie22: Some of us know some things. What specific thing do you need? |
| 16:20.07 | ambient | jhutchins_wk, How would I do that apart from the usual apt-get? |
| 16:21.13 | newbie22 | jhutchins_wk: well, I posted this question on #vbox, but no one seem to there. So here goes, do you know where I can find linux images to load and run under virtualbox ?? |
| 16:21.17 | jhutchins_wk | ambient: Have you manually installed drivers for your graphics card? Do you know what chipset it is? Do you know what drivers are available for it? |
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| 16:21.32 | jhutchins_wk | newbie22: Google. |
| 16:21.49 | ambient | jhutchins_wk, I had help on this channel for getting the microcode and proprietary stuff installed |
| 16:21.56 | jhutchins_wk | newbie22: Probably something like "linux virtualbox image". |
| 16:21.57 | ambient | for stable |
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| 16:22.46 | jhutchins_wk | ambient: You should probably take notes. You probably need to rebuild the proprietary drivers. |
| 16:23.03 | ambient | I ran those same commands again, but I got the notice that I already have the latest and greatest |
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| 16:24.18 | jhutchins_wk | ambient: We don't know what hardware or drivers you have, we don't know what you've done before. |
| 16:26.04 | ambient | jhutchins_wk, So upgrading the kernel is not so simple |
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| 16:27.02 | jhutchins_wk | ambient: When you add software from outside of the standard packaging/distribution system it complicates things. |
| 16:27.13 | jhutchins_wk | ambient: It goes very smoothly for me, but I've been at this a while. |
| 16:27.32 | ambient | jhutchins_wk, The youtube videos make it look so 'one clicj, that was easy!' |
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| 16:27.51 | ambient | But I know in other distros updating the kernel is a major pain |
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| 16:28.12 | jhutchins_wk | ambient: You should try to understand what the commands you run are doing rather than just running them because someone on irc suggested them. |
| 16:28.39 | ambient | jhutchins_wk, I will try not to ask on irc next time, thanks |
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| 16:28.47 | Zewwy | Has anyone ever used open source project; PWM? |
| 16:30.31 | ambient | I was hoping for an 'apt-install-apply-goodies-used-in-older-kernel-to-the-newer-one' |
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| 16:33.07 | tw | If you installed the driver through a package that supported DKMS, it would. If you downloaded an external program that doesn't integrate with apt, there's no way for apt to know. |
| 16:33.33 | jhutchins_wk | ambient: Kernel modules have to be built against the new kernel. You still have the modules built for the old one, and you still have the source files, you just need to rebuild the module. The details of that vary depending on what you have, which you haven't told us. |
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| 16:34.04 | jhutchins_wk | ambient: It's cool to ask on irc, and it's ok to follow the suggestions, but it's important to try to learn what the commands are doing. |
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| 16:37.22 | jhutchins_wk | ambient: For most of these drivers there's a good on-line howto that helps understand what's happening. |
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| 17:07.54 | pawiecki | Hi, I'm configuring vlans and dhcp on them. Do i need to add 'vlan-raw-device eth0' to /etc/network/interfaces if i have them names eth0.vlanid? |
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| 17:13.06 | thedogcatcher | I'm messing around with getting runit working on my Debian Jessie systems. I've followed the directions on the Debian wiki and on the website. I am unable to log in due to checkpassword: wrong password. Any ideas? |
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| 17:23.44 | brennino | hi, on Debian, I set custom max-file-size and max-request-size on /usr/share/tomcat7-admin/manager/WEB-INF/web.xml but everytime tomcat is updated I have to edit the file again. Is there a way to make the change update safe? |
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| 17:25.30 | petn-randall | brennino: Only files in /etc/* are considered config files, I'd expect there to be a copy of the file, or at least a way to read files from there. |
| 17:25.33 | winsen | hi all |
| 17:25.38 | winsen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:26.12 | petn-randall | winsen: apt update && apt upgrade |
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| 17:26.41 | `Kevin | pawiecki: that line is if needed if you have ethX.YYY as the device name in interfaces |
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| 17:26.51 | `Kevin | pawiecki: is not needed * sorry |
| 17:27.14 | winsen | petn-randall: only that command line? |
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| 17:28.57 | pawiecki | `Kevin: just to clarify - does it have to be three characters? Like eth0.071 or can i have eth0.71? |
| 17:29.02 | `Kevin | pawiecki: that is only needed if you have an interface entry such as iface vlan123 inet blah |
| 17:29.22 | `Kevin | pawiecki: use eth0.71 |
| 17:29.30 | pawiecki | `Kevin: thanks :) |
| 17:29.44 | awal1 | winsen, that will upgrade all pkgs (all available upgrades including thunderbird) |
| 17:29.59 | petn-randall | winsen: You can check the man page for what it does, and then decide for yourself. |
| 17:30.21 | awal1 | but only stability/security stuff, no new versions (in stable) |
| 17:30.53 | jhutchins_wk | dpkg: tell winsen about handbook |
| 17:31.45 | TomTomTo1 | icedove/thuinderbird gets new versions, even in stable. |
| 17:32.27 | greycat | Software that is a heaping pile of bugs (like web browsers) is treated specially. |
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| 17:32.58 | jhutchins_wk | It also doesn't interact with other software, so a new thunderbird or firefox isn't going to break other things. |
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| 17:33.10 | winsen | thanks for answering guys. In fact, I am asking you, because last time I upgrade I had some problems with my system.. |
| 17:33.22 | brennino | petn-randall, Thanks, I will look for files in etc if something can be used |
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| 17:42.35 | petn-randall | winsen: No problem, if you have problems with updating/upgrading ask in here and make sure to provide logs/details. |
| 17:42.50 | brennino | petn-randall, I looked for files in etc but are not about the manager so they can't be used. How to keep manager configuration after a tomcat update? |
| 17:43.41 | jhutchins_wk | brennino: Is this tomcat install managed by dpkg/apt, or is it installed from source? |
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| 17:43.45 | winsen | pet-randall: ok I'll try thanks |
| 17:44.00 | petn-randall | winsen: petn<tab> |
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| 17:45.15 | winsen | pet-randall: I wonder, if we really need to upgrade TB though? |
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| 17:46.10 | winsen | pet-randall: from 45.6.0 to 45.7.1 |
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| 17:50.04 | brennino | jhutchins_wk, it's installed through "apt-get install tomcat7-admin" |
| 17:50.51 | brennino | the problem is that the manager config file has a 50MB max-request but war files are grater than 50MB very often... |
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| 17:51.44 | jhutchins_wk | brennino: Ok, I am unfamiliar with where it installs by default. |
| 17:54.43 | brennino | It installs the manager in /usr/share/tomcat7-admin and has a web.xml file in /usr/share/tomcat7-admin/manager/WEB-INF/web.xml where it's configured the max-request-size |
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| 17:55.30 | brennino | because isn't inside /etc, the file is overwritten after tomcat update |
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| 17:56.19 | brennino | and my company contact me because they can't upload their war files everytime after an automatic update... |
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| 17:56.48 | brennino | *an automatic update that update tomcat |
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| 18:07.17 | nullsign | didn't #debian move to oftc? |
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| 18:09.05 | somiaj | !oftc move |
| 18:09.06 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 18:09.30 | somiaj | nullsign: #debian is the only channel on freenode, all the specitality channels are on oftc |
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| 18:11.22 | jhutchins_wk | That and #debian-offtopic are on both. |
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| 18:16.50 | jhutchins_wk | brennino: That might be something that should be filed as a packaging bug. |
| 18:17.10 | jhutchins_wk | brennino: Either move the config files to /etc or find some other way to protect them. |
| 18:17.24 | jhutchins_wk | brennino: You could enforce the file with something like puppet. |
| 18:17.52 | jhutchins_wk | brennino: Not sure what setting it as immutable would do, might cause the update to fail. |
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| 18:21.26 | brennino | jhutchins_wk, interesting, I will check what puppet is |
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| 18:59.05 | tw | How do I set the environment variables for a single invocation of lxterminal and its descendents? for example: `BASH_ENV=/rcfile xterm` works, `BASH_ENV=/rcfile lxterminal` does not. |
| 18:59.51 | greycat | if lxterminal decides to nuke its environment, there's nothing you can do about that |
| 19:00.21 | tw | ugh, I was hoping that was not the answer, but thanks. |
| 19:00.23 | greycat | (except the obvious, don't use lxterminal) |
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| 19:01.00 | greycat | Conceivably, there might be something in lxterminal's docs that will tell you how to make it stop doing that. |
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| 19:04.16 | AvatarA | depends what he means by descendants |
| 19:04.49 | AvatarA | does he mean subsequent commands or opening a new lxterminal window/tab from the previous? |
| 19:05.12 | greycat | I'm assuming he meant children of the terminal, as in a shell. |
| 19:05.25 | AvatarA | maybe he's just looking for export |
| 19:05.31 | greycat | His question seemed competent enough that I didn't question whether he had a grasp of such basics. |
| 19:05.44 | greycat | He is already exporting the variable into the terminal's environment. |
| 19:05.59 | tw | Hey, if I can get anything to show up in the environment for just that guy and not its peers, I'm all for it. |
| 19:06.41 | tw | But what's happening is lxterminal is finding that it's already open via dbus and telling its preexisting peer "open a new window!" not actually staying inside the session. |
| 19:06.49 | greycat | ohhh. |
| 19:07.00 | tw | So session variables are dumped out =( |
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| 19:07.15 | tw | Unless there's magic in the lxterminal source that isn't documented in man lxterminal. |
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| 19:07.25 | tw | But at this point I'm going to switch shells to something not crazy. |
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| 19:08.14 | somiaj | sounds like lxterminal is asking dbus for the enviorment? |
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| 19:08.49 | greycat | No, it sounds like exactly what tw said. |
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| 19:09.21 | greycat | the new instance of lxterminal created from the shell just sends a signal to ANOTHER instance of lxterminal and does not send along any environment variables |
| 19:09.23 | somiaj | oh sorry, missunderstood what he said. |
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| 19:10.10 | greycat | I cannot understand why anyone would make a terminal emulator work in this way. But then again I don't understand why ANYTHING about desktop environments is as it is. |
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| 19:20.09 | bbr | Hi all, I'm migrating my laptop to new hardware. I'm going to partition the new machine with a live system and then cp the files over. My old system runs on lvm, I never really needed it though. Does it make sense to just setup SWAP + ext4 for / and /home partitions? What's the state of things these days? |
| 19:20.36 | bbr | I'm having a PCIe ssd |
| 19:20.53 | somiaj | bbr: how you want to partition is usually personal choice, but swap + / + /home is fairly standard choice. |
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| 19:21.31 | somiaj | bbr: when copying the system over you'll have to make it bootable, and you may want to decide to use efi + gtp instead of legacy, in this case you won't be able to do this with a debian live image as it doesn't support efi |
| 19:21.55 | tw | I really don't like this dbus thing. It violates the principle of sessions and replaces them with "systemd slices". Really? You couldn't have just started with a user-dbus agent as my session leader and not reengineered the whole thing in inescapable cgroups? |
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| 19:23.00 | bbr | somiaj: sounds reasonable. Thanks for the note. what would I need to support efi? grub-efi? |
| 19:23.02 | tw | But other than that things work a lot smoother on the desktop than they did the last time I tried this. |
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| 19:23.52 | somiaj | bbr: grub efi, or gumiboot or now the new systemd boot thingy (which was gummiboot). Anyways efi doens't need a full boot loader like grub, but you can use it. |
| 19:25.07 | bbr | somiaj: ok thanks! I'll look a little deeper into it. What's the state of btrfs these days? would that be an option? |
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| 19:26.40 | somiaj | bbr: many like it, I still say use ext4 unless you really know btrfs or want a feature of it you don't get with ext4. But some like their file systems to be well tested and btrfs is still new in that regard. |
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| 19:26.55 | somiaj | bbr: but may use it and it works just fine.... |
| 19:27.54 | somiaj | ls |
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| 19:28.01 | bbr | somiaj: ok I see |
| 19:28.17 | bbr | somiaj: thanks a lot |
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| 19:46.02 | jhutchins_wk | I get to play with an efi install soon. |
| 19:47.06 | jhutchins_wk | Wife has a new HP laptop with W10 on it. I think she was using W7 at work. Yesterday she abandoned it in frustration and used her XFCE desktop so she could get things done. |
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| 19:49.15 | zuiss1 | i've installed debian alongside w10 on efi. it went pretty smooth |
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| 19:49.22 | zuiss1 | i was impressed |
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| 19:52.41 | eri451 | zuiss1: with grub2? |
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| 19:54.59 | zuiss1 | eri451: whatever is in the debian install image, yea |
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| 19:55.44 | zuiss1 | i booted into windows, shrunk the C drive to make some free space, then booted into the debian netinstall and selected it |
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| 20:01.00 | jhutchins_wk | zuiss1: Thanks for the reassurance. |
| 20:01.17 | jhutchins_wk | I'm not really anticipating any trouble or anything I can't handle, but I just haven't done it before, |
| 20:01.44 | jhutchins_wk | I installed CentOS on a bunch of Mac Mini's about eight years ago. |
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| 20:16.30 | frosite | while backport ffmpeg from sid to debian 8 x64 stable and running: fakeroot debian/rules binary terminal give: https://paste.debian.net/916460/ but the thing is chromaprint is already installed. why does it not find it? |
| 20:17.05 | greycat | ,checkbackport ffmpeg |
| 20:17.12 | judd | Backporting package ffmpeg in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libopenmpt-dev. |
| 20:17.15 | missmbob | frosite: why bother? the same version is in jessie-backports |
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| 20:18.05 | missmbob | !jessie-backports |
| 20:18.05 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 20:18.41 | greycat | Makes me wonder how they got the backport built, if judd thinks it's a no-go. |
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| 20:18.57 | missmbob | *shrug* |
| 20:19.20 | greycat | Oh, and the version isn't quite the same. 3.2.2 vs 3.2.4 |
| 20:19.45 | missmbob | i missed that. hopefully close enough |
| 20:20.05 | jhutchins_wk | ,v ffmpeg |
| 20:20.06 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.20-0+deb7u1; jessie-backports: 7:3.2.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:3.2.4-1; sid: 7:3.2.4-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:3.2.4-dmo2 |
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| 20:20.34 | frosite | greycat: agree sid version is more new i have already check. i need the sid ffmpeg to backport handbrake |
| 20:20.57 | missmbob | frosite: you're sure 3.2.2 isnt enough? |
| 20:21.13 | frosite | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.25 | missmbob | good luck then. |
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| 20:22.33 | skrite | hey all, thinking about running debian testing with xfce4, love debian, but from my past, nvidia drivers were such a pain, is it any better now? |
| 20:22.46 | frosite | i gave a try to backport handbrake with that version installed from backports repo but it failed |
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| 20:23.20 | missmbob | skrite: should be okay with a frozen stretch |
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| 20:26.15 | frosite | judd: so i need libopenmpt-dev ? is it that it complain about with ERROR: chromaprint not found message? |
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| 20:26.29 | missmbob | frosite: judd is a bot |
| 20:26.31 | greycat | I don't think it can parse that question. |
| 20:26.41 | frosite | ok sorry |
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| 20:28.26 | frosite | i would gess fakeroot debian/rules binary use cmake? then as i think cmake does not find the path to chromaprint and it gives that error |
| 20:28.49 | greycat | A debian/rules file is a regular makefile, not that abomination. |
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| 20:29.49 | frosite | chromaprint is installed, backported from sid and done it should find it |
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| 20:34.43 | skrite | missmbob: frozen stretch? |
| 20:34.58 | skrite | what is the preferred way to install nvidia drivers now? |
| 20:35.33 | missmbob | skrite: stretch is frozen now. https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 20:36.02 | missmbob | skrite: whatever you do dont get the drivers from their website. follow that wiki |
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| 20:41.29 | skrite | missmbob: thanks very much ! |
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| 20:45.41 | skrite | so, if stretch is frozen, when it becomes the new stable, will everyone on stretch be stable, or bumped to "testing" |
| 20:45.43 | skrite | ? |
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| 20:46.09 | missmbob | skrite: if you have stretch in your sources.list you'll stay stable |
| 20:46.15 | crash_ | if you have testing now then you will continue on the next testing branch when stretch is released |
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| 20:46.25 | crash_ | "testing" in sources.list i mean |
| 20:46.29 | missmbob | skrite: dont use testing. use stretch |
| 20:46.31 | greycat | What crash means if if you have the actual word "testing" |
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| 20:46.51 | greycat | MOST people should use the code words, "jessie" or "stretch" to avoid surprises. |
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| 20:49.51 | Diogenes_ | Good evening. Open GL is not functioning in my computer, I believe, because my Radeon Graphics Card isn't being used. |
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| 20:50.03 | Diogenes_ | This is the result of the "lspci -v" command: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/18f7b232/ |
| 20:50.04 | thyriaen | hi, i am looking for a way to get chrome ( and/or chromium ) to send notifications with libnotify instead of the chrome buildin nnotification so it gets better integrated into your desktop - is there a way ? |
| 20:50.22 | Diogenes_ | This is the result of the "lspci -v" command: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/18f7b232/ |
| 20:50.45 | Diogenes_ | Sorry for the repeated message. |
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| 20:51.05 | Diogenes_ | I meant to say that, as it can be seen, there is no "Kernel driver in use" for the Radeon R7 |
| 20:51.19 | Diogenes_ | I used to have the testing version of xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:7.8.0-1 and xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:7.8.0-1 installed, and it would work. |
| 20:51.31 | Diogenes_ | But this is a new install, literally one of the first things I'm doing with this new system, I picked up the version available in backports, and dowloaded the firmware-amd-graphics as well as suggested by the package. |
| 20:51.35 | towo` | Diogenes_, you have to install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 20:51.53 | Diogenes_ | Oh, I see. |
| 20:52.03 | Diogenes_ | Let me check. |
| 20:52.20 | towo` | and if it is not working, Xorg.0.log and the output of dmesg | grep -i firmw would be usefull |
| 20:52.45 | towo` | and maybe you need kernel and firmware-amd-graphics from backports |
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| 20:54.20 | Diogenes_ | Oh, ok, give me a second. But you were right, I didn't have firmware-linux-nonfree installed. |
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| 20:57.54 | Diogenes_ | Ok, installed. |
| 20:58.17 | Diogenes_ | Should I try to load the driver? Or reboot? |
| 21:03.37 | Diogenes_ | By the by, contents of Xorg.0.log: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/3d3de9f7/ and contents of dmesg: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/30844da7/ |
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| 21:05.29 | Diogenes_ | Be right back. |
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| 21:07.35 | jhutchins_wk | That would appear to be using an Intel graphics driver. |
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| 21:12.21 | Diogenes_ | Back. |
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| 21:12.52 | Diogenes_ | Installing linux-firmware-nonfree had no effect. |
| 21:13.06 | jhutchins_wk | Diogenes_: You appear to be running an intel video driver. |
| 21:13.25 | jhutchins_wk | Diogenes_: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 21:14.18 | Diogenes_ | Yes, a "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics [8086:1616] (rev 09)" |
| 21:14.46 | jhutchins_wk | , pciid 8086:1616 |
| 21:14.47 | judd | [8086:1616] is 'HD Graphics 5500' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1616 |
| 21:14.51 | towo` | Diogenes_, dmesg | grep -i firmw |
| 21:15.00 | towo` | Diogenes_, provide Xorg.0.log |
| 21:15.10 | jhutchins_wk | towo`: Posted above. |
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| 21:15.27 | jhutchins_wk | towo`: Both. |
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| 21:15.45 | towo` | ah, hybrid graphics |
| 21:15.50 | jhutchins_wk | xx:03 |
| 21:16.16 | jhutchins_wk | Diogenes_: Do you also get a second VGA line? |
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| 21:16.48 | Diogenes_ | I don't know that. How could i check? |
| 21:17.13 | jhutchins_wk | Diogenes_: When you do lspci -nn | grep VGA, do you get more than one line? |
| 21:17.54 | Diogenes_ | As of now, no, a single line. |
| 21:17.57 | jhutchins_wk | Diogenes_: A hybrid graphics system has two VGA chipsets, usually Intel for low power consumption and something like Radeon for high performance. |
| 21:18.09 | jhutchins_wk | Diogenes_: Ok, so you don't have hybrid graphics. |
| 21:18.19 | jhutchins_wk | Diogenes_: You don't have a Radeon. |
| 21:18.28 | towo` | the x log is saying other |
| 21:18.43 | towo` | [ 28.946] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:1616:1028:0643 rev 9, Mem @ 0xc1000000/16777216, 0xd0000000/268435456, I/O @ 0x00005000/64 |
| 21:18.43 | towo` | [ 28.946] (--) PCI: (0:4:0:0) 1002:6900:1028:0643 rev 0, Mem @ 0xb0000000/268435456, 0xc0000000/2097152, 0xc2000000/262144, I/O @ 0x00003000/256, BIOS @ 0x????????/131072 |
| 21:19.15 | jhutchins_wk | ,pciid 1002:6900:1028:0643 |
| 21:19.16 | judd | [1002:6900] is 'Topaz XT [Radeon R7 M260/M265 / M340/M360 / M440/M445]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:6900 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 21:19.43 | jhutchins_wk | towo`: Interesting, I wonder why it doesn't show up in lspci then. |
| 21:19.44 | towo` | and btw, the 3.16 kernel is way to old for intel broadwell |
| 21:19.51 | jhutchins_wk | !hybrid graphics |
| 21:20.10 | towo` | jhutchins_wk, because of lspci | egrep -i "vga|3d|display" |
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| 21:20.17 | towo` | then it will show |
| 21:20.17 | Diogenes_ | This is my Radeon, as shown in lspci: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/6b3aed8b/ |
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| 21:20.25 | towo` | it's not a vga adapter |
| 21:20.38 | towo` | and again |
| 21:21.08 | jhutchins_wk | !bumblebee |
| 21:21.09 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:21.13 | towo` | no! |
| 21:21.22 | towo` | thats not a nvidia system |
| 21:21.36 | towo` | intel / Radeon is working with dri offloading |
| 21:21.52 | towo` | but it needs a recent kernel and graphics stack |
| 21:22.04 | jhutchins_wk | https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Hybrid_Graphics |
| 21:22.19 | jhutchins_wk | I always get ATI and Nvidia mixed up. Sorry for the confusion. |
| 21:22.25 | towo` | i would go with jessie |
| 21:22.31 | towo` | grr |
| 21:22.35 | towo` | go with stretch |
| 21:22.49 | Diogenes_ | I could update to linux 4.9 in backports. |
| 21:22.51 | towo` | hopefully intel and ati ddx is dri3 enabled |
| 21:23.06 | towo` | then dri offloading is easy to use |
| 21:23.14 | towo` | with dri2 only it's a mess |
| 21:24.02 | Diogenes_ | Should I update my system to stretch? |
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| 21:26.12 | skrite | ok another question about versions. If I wanted to stay on a testing branch, after stretch is made stable, would it be best to just re-install instead of changing my sourses.list to reflect whatever the new testing branch will be? |
| 21:26.52 | skrite | i guess i am asking if there is a way to make the "testing" branch a rolling release ? |
| 21:27.01 | missmbob | skrite: no reinstall needed |
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| 21:27.14 | skrite | gotcha, missmbob, thanks |
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| 21:27.33 | skrite | just change the sources.list and update, dist-upgrade thing? |
| 21:27.37 | missmbob | skrite: shortly after replease testing will be proper shit for a while, though. give it time before going to testing if you want |
| 21:27.48 | missmbob | skrite: yeah |
| 21:28.04 | skrite | oh, ok. so give it a couple of months? |
| 21:28.43 | missmbob | skrite: at least a month is good |
| 21:28.55 | skrite | 10-4, thanks |
| 21:29.34 | ws2k3 | is it possible to hide processe from other users in linux? |
| 21:29.46 | ws2k3 | so they dont show up in ps aux ? |
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| 21:35.46 | missmbob | #debian-offtopic |
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| 21:39.11 | Limona_ | hello |
| 21:39.20 | Limona_ | how do i install java8 in debian |
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| 21:39.58 | missmbob | ,v openjdk-8-jre |
| 21:39.59 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jre on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u111-b14-2~bpo8+1; sid: 8u121-b13-3; stretch: 8u121-b13-3 |
| 21:40.20 | Limona_ | thx |
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| 21:42.10 | Limona_ | E: Unable to locate package openjdk-8-jre |
| 21:42.17 | pyrephyo | jump-esp |
| 21:42.20 | missmbob | it's in jessie-backports |
| 21:42.26 | Limona_ | how do i get there |
| 21:42.27 | pyrephyo | join/ jump-esp |
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| 21:42.33 | missmbob | !jessie-backports |
| 21:42.33 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 21:42.33 | Limona_ | what |
| 21:42.45 | Limona_ | okay |
| 21:42.47 | Limona_ | what do i do? |
| 21:43.01 | missmbob | you read what the bot said |
| 21:43.10 | missmbob | here are fuller instructions https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 21:43.34 | Limona_ | -bash: deb: command not found |
| 21:43.46 | missmbob | read carefully |
| 21:44.04 | missmbob | seriouslly go to the instructions link and read it |
| 21:46.09 | Limona_ | E: The value 'jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
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| 21:47.11 | TomTomTo1 | you have to add it to your sources.list file fist. like the instruction describe. |
| 21:47.28 | missmbob | like i said three times, please read |
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| 21:47.35 | teraflops | we can't read it for you^ |
| 21:47.58 | Limona_ | got it |
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| 21:48.07 | Limona_ | There should be a full guide |
| 21:48.13 | Limona_ | i've added the file into sources.list.d |
| 21:48.13 | missmbob | oh jesus |
| 21:48.16 | Limona_ | :/ |
| 21:48.18 | Limona_ | well it works now |
| 21:48.20 | Limona_ | thanks |
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| 21:50.19 | Limona_ | how do i get Java 8 JDK |
| 21:50.45 | Limona_ | mvm i think i got it |
| 21:51.12 | greycat | I think dpkg needs to include http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ directly in <jessie-backports> because nobody heeds his instructions to see <bdo> |
| 21:51.37 | missmbob | agreed. but i did link him directly to instructions |
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| 21:53.04 | greycat | dpkg, jessie-backports =~ s/Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release/Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9)/ |
| 21:53.04 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 21:53.06 | Limona_ | guys |
| 21:53.08 | Limona_ | java version "1.7.0_121" |
| 21:53.09 | Limona_ | OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea 2.6.8) (7u121-2.6.8-2~deb8u1) |
| 21:53.09 | Limona_ | OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 24.121-b00, mixed mode) |
| 21:53.12 | Limona_ | how come |
| 21:53.17 | Limona_ | didn't i just install java 8? |
| 21:53.54 | missmbob | you didnt use the package i said. it's openjdk-8-jre |
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| 21:54.28 | TomTomTo1 | you can use update-java-alternatives if you want to change the default jre. |
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| 21:55.17 | Limona_ | ah |
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| 21:55.20 | Limona_ | yeah it works now |
| 21:55.52 | greycat | dpkg, jessie-backports =~ s#Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org.#See <http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/>.# |
| 21:55.53 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
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| 22:14.07 | ws2k3 | is it possible to hide processe from other users in linux? so they dont show up in ps aux ? |
| 22:14.20 | greycat | No. |
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| 22:16.08 | ws2k3 | greycat https://www.maketecheasier.com/hide-processes-from-other-users-linux/ this is not possible? |
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| 22:17.48 | greycat | Either users can see each other's processes, ALL of them, or not, NONE of them. Depending on which crazy kernel security crap you're using. You can't just hide one but not the rest. |
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| 22:18.12 | greycat | And you can't hide them from root in any case. |
| 22:19.39 | ws2k3 | greycat i have multiple users and i dont want users to be able to see processe of other users thats all |
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| 22:23.15 | greycat | It's MUCH easier to allow only sftp. Ask #openssh how. |
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| 22:24.15 | ws2k3 | greycat i think ForceCommand internal-sftp does the job |
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| 22:41.38 | tommaso | hey people, anybody knows how to prevent the default dhcp client of Debian informing the server of the vendor / kernel version ? i'd like to know how to define my dhcp fingerprint in a fine grained way |
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| 22:42.56 | CeBe | tommaso: did you check `man dhclient` |
| 22:42.58 | CeBe | ? |
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| 22:45.31 | tommaso | Cebe: thx, that surely help, how do i change the default usage of dhclient? i mean at startup or whatever starts it up |
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| 22:50.14 | CeBe | tommaso: that depends on your setup, if you have networkmanager it is managed by that one, if not you have it started by something else. |
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| 23:08.27 | thyriaen | hi, i am looking for a way to get chrome ( and/or chromium ) to send notifications with libnotify instead of the chrome buildin nnotification so it gets better integrated into your desktop - is there a way ? |
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| 23:24.17 | tommaso | CeBe: you lighted the path thx, i'll investigate |
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| 23:33.46 | transhuman | is there a command line launch switch for apache that will show me what line a modules is attempted to be loaded from? |
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| 23:36.48 | doubledutch | transhuman: cd /etc/apache3/mods-available/ |
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| 23:37.49 | transhuman | yeah unfortunately I have a bastardized install hoping there was an apache switch that might reveal the mystery |
| 23:37.53 | doubledutch | transhuman: If you have something in there... sudo a2enmod rewrite && sudo service apache3 reload... |
| 23:38.04 | doubledutch | Do you have a mod_ file? |
| 23:38.18 | teraflops | transhuman: afaik you cannot unless you write something that intercepts chromium notifications and send them to notify-osd thingy |
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| 23:39.05 | doubledutch | transhuman: does pstree or htop mention a module or some clue? |
| 23:39.10 | transhuman | apparently some where in my bastardized install I am loading a few modules twice |
| 23:40.42 | transhuman | half debian/half alpine-linux...shouldnt have gotten myself in this mess in the first place |
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| 23:40.51 | teraflops | transhuman: ugh sorry I meant thyriaen |
| 23:41.55 | thyriaen | would that "something" be an extension ? |
| 23:41.55 | transhuman | np teraflops |
| 23:42.17 | teraflops | thyriaen: idk |
| 23:42.22 | thyriaen | :) okay |
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| 23:50.47 | Diogenes_ | Hello, its just a very noobish question, but I deleated Empathy's entry in Alacarte, and would like to bring it back to the favorite's tab. |
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| 23:51.55 | Diogenes_ | When I try to add it through "New Item" the "Ok" option gets greyed out. |
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| 23:55.28 | Diogenes_ | Maybe if I could reset the GNOME configuratio to default? |
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| 23:59.47 | tommaso | this should work http://askubuntu.com/questions/56313/how-do-i-reset-gnome-to-the-defaults#56314 |