| 00:00.06 | jezebel | fyi this is what i was curious about > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 00:00.07 | geoid_ | abrotman I'm not sure offhand.. I mean my shell has it in the prompt, so presumably it's working for ssh |
| 00:00.10 | jezebel | bye |
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| 00:00.42 | hmuller | "sudo: unable to resolve host", I have ipv6 only localhost in /etc/hosts, and hostname only defined in /etc/hostname. If not using ipv4, I must have ipv4 entry in /etc/hosts? |
| 00:00.54 | abrotman | jezebel: NO SHIT .. the package filed to isntall for the sam ereasons that geoid_ has mentioned ten times now, it's unable to contact the daemon. Have you really not been paying attention? |
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| 00:04.12 | geoid_ | I can telnet 127.0.0.1 4369 |
| 00:04.15 | geoid_ | that works |
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| 00:05.13 | geoid_ | I can also telnet in on the same port on the ip address assigned to the hostname |
| 00:05.21 | geoid_ | but I can't telnet into that port using the hostname |
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| 00:06.25 | _0xbadc0de | hello |
| 00:06.33 | _0xbadc0de | my Kali comes with a network manager |
| 00:06.40 | _0xbadc0de | that constantly destroys my connections |
| 00:06.45 | _0xbadc0de | how can I get rid of it? |
| 00:06.52 | _0xbadc0de | or at least disable it completely |
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| 00:11.23 | tomcres | !kali |
| 00:11.23 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 00:11.36 | n4dir | usually the init system handles it, _0xbadc0de. No idea if Kali uses sysv or already systemd (if the former install sysv-rc-conf to disable it, if the latter, look at wiki.debian.org) |
| 00:13.38 | uhtdd | can anyone help? X and gnome stopped to start at boot, never had problems but today I tried to install awesome WM and, upon failing to make it appear as an option in the gdm login screen, I restarted gdm (service gdm restart), the screen started blinking and froze, and now I cant access the graphical environment. |
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| 00:16.53 | geoid_ | how do I tell aptitude to install with dependencies? |
| 00:17.43 | tomcres | Aptitude installs dependencies by default |
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| 00:20.00 | geoid_ | tomcres and when it refuses to? |
| 00:20.33 | geoid_ | e.g. "rabbitmq-server : Depends: erlang-nox (>= 1:16.b.3) but it is not going to be installed." |
| 00:20.45 | tomcres | I don't know of any circumstance where it doesn't unless you --force-no-deps |
| 00:21.08 | geoid_ | well on my server the circumstance is simply: "aptitude install rabbitmq-server" |
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| 00:21.38 | tomcres | Do you have any packages held or sources pinned? |
| 00:21.52 | geoid_ | I don't know what that means |
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| 00:24.23 | tomcres | Can you pastebin the output of apt-cache policy? |
| 00:25.06 | abrotman | geoid_: can you telnet to your IP on that port? |
| 00:25.15 | geoid_ | apparently I just need to not accept the solution of not installing the dependencies â wow... aptitude has a confusing ui. |
| 00:25.38 | geoid_ | abrotman yes |
| 00:26.05 | abrotman | geoid_: so, it's not a routing problem it would seem. is your IP/hostname in your /etc/hosts ? |
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| 00:26.40 | geoid_ | tomcres http://pastebin.com/1gNnqhTP |
| 00:26.55 | geoid_ | abrotman yes |
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| 00:28.24 | tomcres | You're mixing testing from rabbitmq's repository with wheezy. That's probably why it can't find rabbitmq's dependencies. |
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| 00:30.07 | geoid_ | no it found them, it's just that I didn't understand the aptitude ui... basically when it discovered there were dependencies it first said "dependencies found, not going to install them, do you accept this solution" and I kept saying "yes". The trick was to say "no", then it says "ok I'll install the dependencies then". |
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| 00:30.49 | geoid_ | I'd previously been using apt-get to install rabbitmq-server... I thought I'd give aptitude a go instead but the results were ultimately the same. |
| 00:33.38 | abrotman | geoid_: all sorted out, or not yet? |
| 00:34.48 | geoid_ | abrotman nope.. no change |
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| 00:36.04 | abrotman | geoid_: you might be able to debug the init script to see why it can't seem to connect |
| 00:36.23 | geoid_ | abrotman yes? |
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| 00:38.22 | abrotman | geoid_: can you replicate the same error by trying to start rabbitmq from the initscript? |
| 00:40.08 | geoid_ | well.. abrotman I'm not sure how to do that. If I look in /etc/init.d there's a rabbitmq-server bin in there.. if I run that with the "start" parameter then yes I get the same error. |
| 00:42.05 | abrotman | geoid_: can you look for the command it uses, and try to use strace to see where it goes weird? |
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| 00:43.40 | geoid_ | abrotman that's a bit of a stretch for my linux skills |
| 00:44.06 | geoid_ | I know how to vi a shell script and I can more or less read one but strace is new to me |
| 00:45.19 | geoid_ | ... installing strace ... |
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| 00:50.31 | geoid_ | abrotman strace output here: http://pastebin.com/K5aQ9irs |
| 00:50.45 | geoid_ | I have little understanding of the output |
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| 00:56.15 | geoid_ | This system had it's hostname changed at some point... not sure if that's a factor. |
| 00:57.12 | geoid_ | Also seeing in the /var/logs/rabbitmq folder there are logs for rabbit@old-hostname, then there are logs for rabbit@(none) but no logs for rabbit@new-hostname |
| 00:57.47 | geoid_ | So I'm wondering if the change of hostname was perhaps not done correctly. |
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| 00:58.19 | geoid_ | should the hostname also resolve to 127.0.0.1? |
| 00:58.33 | geoid_ | or should it only resolve to the ip address assigned to eth0? |
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| 01:23.12 | phorce1_home | only casualty of upgrade to stretch so far appears to be claws-mail ... and I really didn't expect that one to play nice because I've been copying configs from work to this home machine to keep the two in synch (sorting filters etc). |
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| 01:24.18 | geoid_ | abrotman omg I just noticed that the /etc/hosts file is mapping that host incorrectly. I'm dislexic apparently. |
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| 01:24.47 | geoid_ | 192. != 197. |
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| 01:31.54 | geoid_ | abrotman sorted â thx for all your help and patience dude! |
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| 02:05.40 | dvs | ??? |
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| 02:19.59 | Nerdmind | Hi. Was the mysql-server replaced with mariadb-server on Debian Stretch? o.O |
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| 02:21.04 | dvs | ,v mysql-server |
| 02:21.05 | judd | Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.53-0+deb8u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.54-0+deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.5.54-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.54-0+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 5.6.30-1~bpo8+1; sid: 5.7.17-1 |
| 02:21.19 | dvs | guess so |
| 02:21.28 | dvs | it's still in backports though. |
| 02:21.53 | Nerdmind | Oh, yes. I just read this post: http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2016/12/01/debian-and-mariadb-server |
| 02:24.50 | Nerdmind | ,v apache2 |
| 02:24.51 | judd | Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u7; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u5; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u7; stretch: 2.4.25-3; sid: 2.4.25-3 |
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| 02:51.09 | dvs | !ask |
| 02:51.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 03:24.33 | ealfonso | how does the debian installer generate enough entropy to run ssh-keygen or set up host keys, especially when the installation is done offline and unattended by the user? |
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| 04:42.20 | AndChat336756 | Okay attempting to install over net with firmware plus non free iso and network autoconfiguration failed |
| 04:42.38 | AndChat336756 | What can I do to fix this |
| 04:42.46 | AndChat336756 | Or at least move around it |
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| 04:43.57 | Fjdjnf | Hi |
| 04:44.08 | Fjdjnf | Can I please get some help |
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| 04:48.09 | holycow | hi all |
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| 04:48.40 | holycow | i have a sata drive that keeps on becoming inaccessible after a few days of use. it passes all smart tests, can be mounted after being pulled, and so forth. |
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| 04:49.09 | holycow | before i can rebuild the box, i need to figure out a way to poll "if the drive is accessible" and send me a notification. |
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| 04:49.29 | holycow | i've been googling a bit, but i cannot really figure out a way that can reliably tell me if a drive is accessible or not |
| 04:50.05 | holycow | typically, when the drive becomes inaccessible, ls, du, df and various other standard tools simply don't respond at all ... forever actually until the kernel decided to kill the process or whatever. |
| 04:50.26 | holycow | anyone have any ideas on a test i can cron up to keep an eye on the drive? |
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| 04:51.56 | ryouma | you could just touch a file on the drive and run timeout and display the file |
| 04:52.02 | ryouma | kinda obvious though |
| 04:52.17 | holycow | aha! indeed it is. |
| 04:52.31 | holycow | thank you. |
| 04:52.45 | ryouma | great |
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| 04:53.43 | ryouma | i just did something quite similar. my bus-powered external drive is possibly having power issues. |
| 04:54.02 | ryouma | after not having them |
| 04:54.04 | holycow | sometimes i just miss the bloody obvious solution. touch is perfect. |
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| 04:55.34 | Horizon_Brave | Greetings folks |
| 04:55.38 | Rusty1_ | if the drive has a partition that is supposed to mount via fstab |
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| 04:58.54 | Horizon_Brave | small, probably easily answered question...since stable is "frozen" now...what happens if one of it's bundled packages has not a major life threatening bug...but still something pretty glaring... The patch for it will go into testing release only? Is it encouraged for someone to download the patched version anyhow? |
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| 05:00.07 | ryouma | .there's a page with all the rules, but i didn't make head or tails of it |
| 05:00.47 | ryouma | but the release coordinator, or whatever the title is, can bend the rules |
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| 05:02.46 | Horizon_Brave | I see...so it's probably more on a case by case basis... Cause I know updates to packages that a released post freeze for stable, can be downloaded via backports.. but that seems to have some...negative connotations to them |
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| 05:05.25 | awal1 | https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/02/msg00001.html |
| 05:05.49 | awal1 | Horizon_Brave, ^ may clear a bit your doubts |
| 05:07.32 | Horizon_Brave | awal1: thanks mate :) |
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| 05:11.17 | Horizon_Brave | lol...the process sounds so official..like real beauarcracy. I wonder what the Debian "home office" looks like..if they even rent out an office.. |
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| 05:12.19 | Horizon_Brave | I can't imagine a distro as big as Debian being entirely run from a staff that works 100% from their own homes, and coffee shops... |
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| 05:17.17 | sandman13 | "what happens if one of it's bundled packages has not a major life threatening bug...but still something pretty glaring" That package will be provided with patch? |
| 05:17.41 | sandman13 | It's just a matter of update and upgrade |
| 05:17.58 | sandman13 | Horizon_Brave: ^ |
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| 05:40.16 | mike5w3c | for the last couple weeks now on my Debian system Iâve started getting a lot of âGnuPG cryptographic agentâ messages from systemd getting logged to syslog and daemon.log |
| 05:41.26 | mike5w3c | e.g., âsystemd[26030]: Listening on GnuPG network certificate management daemonâ |
| 05:42.08 | mike5w3c | then ~2 seconds later, âsystemd[26030]: Closed GnuPG network certificate management daemonâ |
| 05:42.38 | mike5w3c | this is after the package got upgraded to v2.18 I think |
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| 06:46.49 | nguyenphi | I need to locate wpa_supplicant package |
| 06:46.59 | nguyenphi | Where I can find it in debian? |
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| 07:05.55 | xff | nguyenphi: try `apt-file search wpa_supplicant`. It found /sbin/wpa_supplicant in package wpasupplicant |
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| 07:34.04 | dgriffi | whee! I found a bug in the Stretch installer |
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| 07:36.12 | ozzyOS | wasnt it a worm? |
| 07:37.25 | ozzyOS | how much are they paying you dgriffi? |
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| 07:38.19 | dgriffi | No. It's https://bugs.debian.org/855008 |
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| 07:38.47 | placko | Hi, I am using QEMU to try Debian/Sid. After several agpt-get dist-upgrade the HD image on host system is 22G big while in virtual machie used disk space is 8G. How can I reduce size of image on host system? |
| 07:38.47 | dgriffi | can't make a writable USB installer thumb drive |
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| 07:42.56 | ozzyOS | Whats the output of apt-cache stats ? |
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| 07:43.44 | nguyenphi | I had some troubling with wifi |
| 07:43.53 | nguyenphi | After setting up wpsupplicant |
| 07:44.03 | nguyenphi | Type: ifup wlan0 |
| 07:44.15 | nguyenphi | But it said ifup command not found |
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| 07:44.19 | nguyenphi | What will i do? |
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| 07:45.04 | ozzyOS | ask #systemd maybe? |
| 07:45.26 | nguyenphi | How to ask? |
| 07:45.34 | ozzyOS | placko: sudo apt-get clean |
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| 07:47.18 | placko | i did apt-get clean before. It reduce usage of disk space in virtual machine. But the immage in host system does not reduce. |
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| 07:50.43 | lord_rob | nguyenphi: did you install ifupdown? |
| 07:51.52 | lord_rob | the command ifup is in this package |
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| 07:52.47 | lord_rob | actually you should install apt-file to know which file is in which package nguyenphi |
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| 07:53.23 | nguyenphi | lord_rob: thank you |
| 07:53.46 | nguyenphi | What is good to manage wifi connection on windows manager guys? |
| 07:54.44 | lord_rob | /j ##windows |
| 07:55.31 | placko | I just finished apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get clean. In virtual machine df -h /dev/sda1 uses 7.8G. On host system it is 24G. I would like to reduce size of HD image on host system. |
| 07:55.33 | nguyenphi | lord_rob: i mean Windows Manager like i3wm, awesome |
| 07:56.43 | lord_rob | ah, so why don't you try network-manager ? |
| 07:57.39 | lord_rob | but then your config with ifdown and /etc/networking/interfaces will have to be redone completely |
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| 07:58.23 | ozzyOS | sounds like fun |
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| 07:58.27 | lord_rob | kde has a great interface for network-manager, so does gnome |
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| 07:59.26 | ozzyOS | does it handle firewall? |
| 08:00.58 | lord_rob | I don't know actually, I'm behind a router/firewall so I don't care that much |
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| 08:02.07 | nguyenphi | lord_rob: the bash say ifupdown is already newest version |
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| 08:04.12 | lord_rob | did you run the command as root (sounds stupid but sometimes you make stupid things ^^) |
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| 08:06.00 | nguyenphi | lord_rob: ya my stupid |
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| 08:54.57 | kingsley | Breaking News: Bill Gates has agreed to pay for Trump's wall... |
| 08:55.09 | kingsley | On the condition he gets to install windows. |
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| 09:13.04 | jvdmr | Hi, last weekend I ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, and now I've got an apache2 version which does not seem to like debian |
| 09:14.21 | jvdmr | specifically, using apache2ctl does not cooperate with systemd anymore; "apache2ctl restart" makes systemd lose track of the process |
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| 09:16.25 | jvdmr | and worse, when apache2 is not running, "apache2ctl status" gives me an error that I should install www-browser |
| 09:16.44 | jvdmr | does anyone have any idea what went wrong with this update? |
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| 09:27.11 | Silvering | Hi everyone! I'm running on Debian 8. I need to install mysqlclient to run a django app. However I always receive "EnvironmentError: mysql_config not found". I'm running on Python 2. Any idea ? |
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| 09:32.50 | kedare | Silvering : You need to install mysql (or libmysql), it's a dependency to compile the Python MySQL client |
| 09:33.04 | kedare | (At least the client part of MySQL, not the server) |
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| 09:34.00 | babilen | judd: v python-mysqldb |
| 09:34.01 | judd | Package: python-mysqldb on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.3-2; jessie: 1.2.3-2.1; jessie-backports: 1.3.7-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.3.7-1.1; stretch: 1.3.7-1.1 |
| 09:34.07 | babilen | Silvering: ^ |
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| 09:35.10 | Silvering | babilen judd : python-mysqldb is already the newest version. |
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| 09:36.02 | babilen | So you have the mysqlclient Python module installed |
| 09:36.13 | Silvering | dpkg --get-selections | grep mysql returns : https://gist.github.com/Silvering/7fff0d80682ca8fad199937583d306e7 |
| 09:36.13 | dpkg | selects silvering's pr0n collection |
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| 09:36.41 | babilen | It might, just in case, be helpful to know what you have been doing and which command might have triggered the (partial) error you quoted above. Use http://paste.debian.net to provide that information. |
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| 09:37.39 | Silvering | http://paste.debian.net/914101/ |
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| 09:38.25 | Silvering | pip install mysqlclient returns : http://paste.debian.net/914102/ |
| 09:39.31 | babilen | Why would you run "pip install mysqlclient" ? You already have python-mysqldb installed. |
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| 09:42.48 | Silvering | babilen : django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: Error loading MySQLdb module: No module named MySQLdb |
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| 09:43.49 | Silvering | babilen : It's a django issue but the issue is the same MySQLdb package |
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| 09:46.04 | biv | hello |
| 09:46.30 | babilen | Silvering: What does 'python -c "import MySQLdb"' give you? |
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| 09:48.01 | Silvering | babilen : No module named MySQLdb |
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| 09:49.59 | babilen | Silvering: Please show me the output of "apt-cache policy python-mysqldb", "dpkg -L python-mysqldb" and 'python -c "import MySQLdb"' on http://paste.debian.net -- Include other information (virtualenvs and whatnot) as you see fit. |
| 09:50.05 | themill | Silvering: what's the output of «which python» and «python -c"import sys; print sys.path"» |
| 09:50.21 | babilen | yeah, include ^^^ |
| 09:50.34 | themill | tag team! |
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| 09:52.25 | Silvering | babilen : Ohh... I just realize something. This error appears only on vitualenv ... |
| 09:52.32 | themill | bingo |
| 09:53.05 | babilen | ta-da! |
| 09:53.51 | Silvering | -_- |
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| 09:54.49 | themill | babilen: I think we're happier about the outcome than Silvering ;) |
| 09:55.33 | Silvering | lol yes I think so |
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| 09:56.27 | babilen | Silvering: Well, either install necessary dependencies in your virtualenv or configure it to be able to access system modules |
| 09:56.44 | babilen | Or abandon your plan to run this django app, go home, take a bath and relax |
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| 09:57.48 | Silvering | babilen: second solution |
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| 09:59.39 | Silvering | babilen : I followed all this tuto : https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-serve-django-applications-with-apache-and-mod_wsgi-on-ubuntu-16-04 and when I try to access to the website via the domain_adress I receive : Forbidden -_- |
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| 10:03.16 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 10:04.11 | Posterdati | please I'm trying to make acer aspire es15 wifi working with debian 8.6, following that -> https://digitz.org/blog/wifi-issue-on-acer-laptops-running-linux-qualcomm-atheros-device-0042/ |
| 10:04.38 | Posterdati | but dmesg reported ath10k_thermal... unknown symbol! |
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| 10:23.09 | rapha | hi! |
| 10:23.33 | rapha | is there a way to still get wine 1.6 in debian unstable? perhaps through a third party repository, etc? |
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| 10:23.45 | rapha | (preferably installable alongside 1.8 and 2.0) |
| 10:24.22 | bezaban | ,v wine |
| 10:24.23 | judd | Package: wine on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-20; jessie-backports: 1.8.6-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.8.6-5; stretch: 1.8.6-5 |
| 10:24.55 | bezaban | not packaged from the looks of it, but you can always download a binary tarball or source (but don't install it to /) |
| 10:24.57 | rapha | bezaban: can't easily install the jessie packages as they are not namespaced |
| 10:25.19 | rapha | hmm ... and install into /opt to keep around. that sounds like a reasonable idea. |
| 10:26.29 | bezaban | aye, it will work assuming you don't get dragged down some dependency trail |
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| 10:34.05 | rapha | bezaban: my -unstable install is the most crooked thing in existence in this universe, but there is almost no dependency it can't fulfill :) (every couple of months i think about reinstalling ... then i remember that i couldn't remember all the things installed here ... somehow ... and forget about reinstalling immediately) |
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| 10:35.35 | TRuAGE98 | Notice this. |
| 10:35.53 | smojphace | This notice? |
| 10:35.54 | TRuAGE98 | This is the lynch pin to all the Jewsâ schemes. If the Holocaust was ever exposed on a broad scale, the Jews would be finished, and they know that, hence all the âdenialâ laws. |
| 10:36.34 | squigz | hahahahahahaahahahahaa what |
| 10:36.57 | doubledutch | I think he meant /s/ever/never |
| 10:37.04 | doubledutch | But simultaneously, I think he meant nothing |
| 10:37.14 | squigz | Do people actually believe the Holocaust never happened? |
| 10:38.41 | jelly | repeat a lie enough times... |
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| 10:39.30 | squigz | What? |
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| 10:39.58 | jelly | it becomes a topic for #debian-offtopic |
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| 10:40.10 | squigz | :) |
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| 10:59.36 | contrapunctus | o/ |
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| 11:01.02 | contrapunctus | I need to install network-manager on a system without network access - is there any way that's less painful than manually getting the package and its dependencies from packages.debian.org ? |
| 11:01.32 | babilen | dpkg: apt-zip |
| 11:01.32 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
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| 11:01.51 | babilen | Ah, no .. not that one |
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| 11:04.08 | babilen | dpkg: apt-offline |
| 11:04.08 | dpkg | To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://bit.ly/1UYVX5g . Ask me about <apt-zip>, <apt-walkabout>. |
| 11:04.13 | babilen | judd: v apt-offline |
| 11:04.14 | judd | Package: apt-offline on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2; jessie: 1.5.1; jessie-backports: 1.7~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.7.2; sid: 1.7.2 |
| 11:04.17 | babilen | contrapunctus: ^ |
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| 11:05.15 | dragoonis | Hey! I'm trying to get libapache2-mod-fcgi to be available on Wheezy. I'm not having much success |
| 11:05.39 | dragoonis | As per the sources.list entries on this page, I still get package not found |
| 11:05.41 | dragoonis | https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/apache/running-fastcgi-php-fpm-on-debian-7-with-apache |
| 11:06.52 | contrapunctus | babilen: thanks! |
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| 11:11.04 | PaowZ__ | hi there ! just trying to install Jessie and Debian installer won't accept the mirror I chose.. it keeps saying (on error console) "apt-install or in-target is already running so you cannot run either of them again until blablabl.. |
| 11:11.09 | PaowZ__ | any clue? |
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| 11:21.50 | l0llip0p | !ping |
| 11:21.50 | dpkg | pong |
| 11:23.39 | jim | what's multipath support? |
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| 11:24.07 | moondeck | Hi |
| 11:24.08 | jim | (in an expert install within a kvm guest) |
| 11:24.13 | jim | hi |
| 11:24.49 | moondeck | So, i am running stretch AKA debian 9, after updating WIFI doesnt work, i've even changed the wireless adapters (from intel to atheros) but the problem still persists |
| 11:24.54 | moondeck | wired works fine |
| 11:24.59 | moondeck | i am running a thinkpad W500 |
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| 11:26.16 | jim | could you run... lspci -nn | grep -i net | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 11:26.29 | moondeck | jim on what, wireless? |
| 11:26.32 | moondeck | it doesnt connect |
| 11:26.34 | jim | either |
| 11:26.50 | moondeck | no route to host |
| 11:26.51 | jim | didn't you say you have wired going? |
| 11:26.56 | moondeck | yeah jim |
| 11:27.00 | moondeck | wait |
| 11:27.03 | moondeck | forgot one 9 |
| 11:27.18 | jim | no route to host might mean no gateway setting |
| 11:27.20 | moondeck | http://termbin.com/uy9t |
| 11:27.22 | moondeck | works |
| 11:27.31 | moondeck | as i've said, i forgot one 9 at the end |
| 11:28.25 | jim | ,pciid [168c:1014] |
| 11:28.26 | judd | [168c:1014] is '58a ThinkPad 11a/b/g Wireless LAN Mini Express Adapter (AR5BXB6)' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with kernel module 'ath5k' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:1014 http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k |
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| 11:29.39 | jim | ok.. try this... ifconfig -a | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 11:30.15 | jim | (btw, here's the blerb on termbin... you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command by running "anArbitraryCommand | nc termbin.com 9999", and to include error messages, "anArbitraryCommand 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999", you might find it handy later) |
| 11:31.55 | mike5w3c | for the last couple weeks now on my Debian system Iâve started getting a lot of âGnuPG cryptographic agentâ messages from systemd getting logged to syslog and daemon.log |
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| 11:32.00 | mike5w3c | e.g., âsystemd[26030]: Listening on GnuPG network certificate management daemonâ |
| 11:32.07 | mike5w3c | then ~2 seconds later, âsystemd[26030]: Closed GnuPG network certificate management daemonâ |
| 11:32.12 | mike5w3c | this is after the package got upgraded to v2.18 I think |
| 11:32.25 | mike5w3c | wondering how I can suppress that⦠|
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| 11:34.45 | moondeck-thinkpa | sorry, accidentally turned my firewall off |
| 11:34.48 | moondeck-thinkpa | http://termbin.com/d01i |
| 11:34.50 | moondeck-thinkpa | here |
| 11:35.22 | moondeck_ | the termbin thing is really neat |
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| 11:49.40 | dragoonis | Good morning! I'm trying to install stuff on apt-get on Jessie and get the following error output - can someone help? https://gist.github.com/dragoonis/9542ddd1881e9734fb5eab9b71e6ce0e |
| 11:51.17 | Night_Elf | dragoonis: First thing I do if something similar happens, is to run "apt-get update ; apt-get install -f" |
| 11:51.27 | Night_Elf | And see if the situation improves. |
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| 11:51.44 | dragoonis | I'm running update |
| 11:51.55 | dragoonis | line 4 |
| 11:53.10 | dragoonis | I've added apt-get install -f line after the update line |
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| 11:54.20 | Night_Elf | dragoonis: you could try to run the -f line command (--fix-broken) on it's own from the command line. |
| 11:54.32 | dragoonis | I did |
| 11:54.46 | dragoonis | apt-get update; apt-get install -f; apt-get install php5... etc |
| 11:54.58 | dragoonis | I just tested it.. no change |
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| 11:55.14 | rocket__ | hi |
| 11:55.18 | Brigo | dragoonis, what are you trying to achieve using snapshot? |
| 11:55.26 | rocket__ | is it possible to add a sftp account with no shell acess? |
| 11:55.30 | rocket__ | access |
| 11:55.43 | dragoonis | Brigo, I need to install PHP5.3 - which is why I have the snapshot. |
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| 11:56.06 | rocket__ | or does sftp need a shell? |
| 11:56.20 | Night_Elf | rocket__: I think you could do that by having the shell field in /etc/passwd set to "/bin/true" instead of "/bin/bash" |
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| 11:56.44 | rocket__ | but not /bin/false ? |
| 11:57.03 | Brigo | dragoonis, php is in version 5.4 even in wheezy |
| 11:57.29 | Night_Elf | rocket__: I think the difference between them is the exit code they return to the os after they terminate. You could try both though. |
| 11:57.41 | Brigo | dragoonis, i meant is too old a package for intalling in nowadays sid. |
| 11:57.45 | Night_Elf | And of course they have to appear inside /etc/shells |
| 11:58.18 | dragoonis | Brigo, I've had significant issues getting relevant apache module in Wheezy. The module is: "libapache2-mod-fcgi" |
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| 11:59.14 | Brigo | dragoonis, are you using wheezy? then why that unestable in the source.lst? |
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| 11:59.38 | Brigo | v libapache2-mod-fcgid |
| 11:59.40 | Brigo | !v libapache2-mod-fcgid |
| 11:59.47 | dragoonis | ,v |
| 11:59.48 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and amd64 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
| 11:59.52 | Brigo | ,v libapache2-mod-fcgid |
| 11:59.53 | judd | Package: libapache2-mod-fcgid on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.3.6-1.2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:2.3.6-1.2+deb7u1; sid: 1:2.3.9-1+b1; jessie: 1:2.3.9-1+b1; stretch: 1:2.3.9-1+b1 |
| 11:59.55 | Brigo | that is :) |
| 12:00.08 | rocket__ | ah |
| 12:00.12 | Brigo | you shouldn't. |
| 12:00.16 | rocket__ | there is a shell for debian |
| 12:00.17 | rocket__ | rssh |
| 12:00.33 | dragoonis | Brigo, when I install that libapache2-mod-fcgid, then with enabling that module using "a2enmod" it says the module does not exist. |
| 12:00.44 | dragoonis | a2enmod fcgi, or a2enmod fcgid |
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| 12:01.00 | dragoonis | tried mod_fcgi and mod_fcgid too |
| 12:01.05 | jelly | rocket__: if you only need sftp, not scp, /bin/false will be ok |
| 12:01.06 | dragoonis | "Module does not exist" |
| 12:01.06 | Brigo | dragoonis, that would be a very odd bug. |
| 12:01.39 | themill | dragoonis: can you pastebin "dpkg -L libapache2-mod-fcgid" for us? |
| 12:01.51 | dragoonis | themill, for the Wheezy situation? sure |
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| 12:02.19 | Brigo | dragoonis, next time check the doc in /usr/share/doc/<package-name> first |
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| 12:02.29 | rocket__ | jelly thanks |
| 12:02.30 | rocket__ | yes |
| 12:02.38 | rocket__ | only for our ppl to upload files |
| 12:02.53 | rocket__ | rssh seems to have security issues |
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| 12:03.10 | rocket__ | i have a 2 way auth but for this account with no shell i will only use a password |
| 12:03.17 | rocket__ | containing 10 digits or so |
| 12:03.24 | jelly | rocket__: if you put them in a separate group, you can set up /etc/ssh/sshd_config to use chroot for those |
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| 12:03.39 | rocket__ | or 20 digits better |
| 12:04.02 | rocket__ | yes i will put them in a seperate group in sshd |
| 12:04.07 | Night_Elf | rocket__: for restricted shells I have used "lshell" in the past. I can't say much about any security implication using it though. It seemed to be ok. |
| 12:04.57 | dragoonis | Brigo, check it for what specifically? |
| 12:05.19 | Brigo | dragoonis, instructions on how to use it, for example, or issues or whatever. |
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| 12:05.41 | dragoonis | themill, are you asking me to run this, based on my Gist (Jessie) or based on my issues with Wheezy (module not found) |
| 12:07.10 | Brigo | dragoonis, you have an issue with libapache2-mod-fcgid in wheezy, we would want to know it contents with dpkg -L libapache2-mod-fcgid |
| 12:07.28 | dragoonis | Understood. Thanks. I am getting this for you now. |
| 12:07.38 | themill | There's no point in looking at this if you've got broken packages. It needs to be self-consistent to start with |
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| 12:08.35 | rocket__ | jelly, if i use chroot only - is that secure? |
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| 12:08.50 | rocket__ | i have read chroot can be broken |
| 12:08.56 | dragoonis | Strangely enough - I'm getting "Module fcgid already enabled" now |
| 12:09.03 | jelly | rocket__: it's maybe a tiny bit more secure than without it |
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| 12:09.23 | dragoonis | So if that's unblocking me on Wheezy, then I need to see how to install php-fpm and php5 and php-cli, but targeting the PHP 5.3 version, and not the default 5.4 version. |
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| 12:09.54 | rocket__ | ok i see |
| 12:10.09 | jelly | rocket__: it's mostly useful to stop a typical user from browsing the whole filesystem. It may not be useful against a dedicated attacker |
| 12:10.38 | dragoonis | I found this page to specify the 5.3 downgrade, but the page is for Jessie not for Wheezy - http://superuser.com/questions/913792/php-5-3-10-on-debian-jessie |
| 12:10.55 | themill | dragoonis: fixing the crappy php that needs a specific version of the interpreter is probably a better solution |
| 12:11.21 | dragoonis | I agree 100% with you. but the customer cannot do that. |
| 12:11.40 | themill | It's not particularly sustainable to have to chase specific versions like that. The customer can't afford your time to do security support. |
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| 12:12.01 | rocket__ | jelly, yes i understand well i hope no attacker will get into the system with a 20dig pass usually i also use keypairs as well |
| 12:12.03 | themill | (and you can't afford to not charge them for your time or to leave it vulnerable) |
| 12:12.07 | rocket__ | but well some user dont get that i guess |
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| 12:12.53 | BluesKaj | Hey folks |
| 12:13.40 | dragoonis | themill, you're preaching to the choir :D They're using Magento, which is stuck on 5.3 .. customer needs to rebuild their platform for Magento2 to break this, and they can't afford such a big refactor at present. |
| 12:13.51 | dragoonis | So this is why they're stuck on 5.3 right now. |
| 12:14.10 | themill | Make sure they are paying you $$$$$ for being so painful. |
| 12:14.30 | dgriffi | is anyone going over the installer for Stretch? |
| 12:14.34 | dragoonis | Yea. I'm trying! I've been trying to get a working box for them for 2 days now. So painful! |
| 12:15.11 | dragoonis | Can you help me target a specific version for the "php5-fpm" and "php5" packages on Wheezy? |
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| 12:17.14 | jelly | dragoonis: sure, as long as it's 5.4.45 specifically |
| 12:17.20 | jelly | hides |
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| 12:18.21 | jelly | dragoonis: now, don't tell anyone else, but if you're really desperate and have a system isolated from the internet, you can install php5* from squeeze on an otherwise wheezy system. |
| 12:20.09 | dragoonis | jelly, we're talking 5.3.x here :) |
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| 12:24.26 | rapha | how does apt/dpkg (?) decide what packages to hold back upon "apt upgrade"? |
| 12:25.10 | nkuttler | !tell rapha about held back |
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| 12:28.15 | rocket__ | does it make a difference where i place the match group in sshd? |
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| 12:32.18 | hmuller | does ipv4's 127.0.1.1 address have an equivalent in ipv6? |
| 12:32.37 | Dagger | v6 localhost is ::1 |
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| 12:42.16 | dragoonis | jelly, i found this page - that talks about squeeze and wildcard stuff - is this the kind of technique you were referring to ? https://lxadm.com/Downgrading_to_PHP_5.3_on_Debian_Wheezy_(7.0) |
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| 12:52.57 | dragoonis | Hello! I have a custom preferences file in preferences.d for Wheezy. I've added php5.3 wildcards here, but they're not taking effect and installing the default php 5.4 instead .. please see this gist - https://gist.github.com/dragoonis/95d2ea01b964addb08fa582d40ed351d |
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| 12:54.09 | rapha | nkuttler: thank you! |
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| 12:57.30 | CrazyTux | hello, can jscoder still be found on this channel? |
| 12:57.53 | tomcres | !seen jscoder |
| 12:57.53 | dpkg | jscoder <~user@unaffiliated/jscoder> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7d 19h 45m 55s ago, saying: 'touche'. |
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| 12:58.37 | CrazyTux | ok. Thanks a lot. |
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| 13:01.26 | dragoonis | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 13:01.26 | dragoonis | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.46 | dragoonis | my preferences.d says "php5*" is to be version 5.3 .. but then this happens? ^ |
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| 13:02.52 | dragoonis | Can someone explain to me why this is happening ? |
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| 13:07.23 | jelly | dragoonis: php5* looks like invalid syntax for a preferences file. |
| 13:07.43 | dragoonis | jelly, what should be the correct syntax then ? |
| 13:07.54 | linux999 | Are ffmpeg and php7 available in jessie? |
| 13:08.03 | dragoonis | I can confirm that it has taken effect - https://gist.github.com/dragoonis/95d2ea01b964addb08fa582d40ed351d |
| 13:08.20 | jelly | dragoonis: I don't remember, sorry, enumerate each package name you need? |
| 13:08.41 | dragoonis | enumerate? you mean specify it explicitly ? |
| 13:08.44 | jelly | yes |
| 13:09.01 | tomcres | ,v php7 |
| 13:09.02 | judd | No package named 'php7' was found in amd64. |
| 13:09.12 | linux999 | ,v ffmpeg |
| 13:09.13 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.20-0+deb7u1; jessie-backports: 7:3.2.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:3.2.2-2; sid: 7:3.2.4-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:3.2.4-dmo1 |
| 13:09.18 | tomcres | ,v ffmpeg |
| 13:09.19 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.20-0+deb7u1; jessie-backports: 7:3.2.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:3.2.2-2; sid: 7:3.2.4-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:3.2.4-dmo1 |
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| 13:09.43 | jelly | dragoonis: you can verify effects of your pinning attempts with "apt-cache policy packagename" |
| 13:09.52 | tomcres | It looks like you can get ffmpeg from jessie-backports |
| 13:11.05 | jelly | dragoonis: I wouldn't bother with pinning really, I'd install whatever crap from squeeze-lts/squeeze, then hold all of it |
| 13:11.14 | jelly | pinning is... weird |
| 13:11.33 | dragoonis | jelly, i followed this guide - https://lxadm.com/Downgrading_to_PHP_5.3_on_Debian_Wheezy_(7.0) |
| 13:12.00 | dragoonis | should my preferences file be different in any way? also: I've got 'php5-common' in my prefs file now, as per your suggestion |
| 13:12.06 | jelly | dragoonis: "There is currently no text in this page." |
| 13:12.46 | jelly | oh, my irc client didn't catch _(7.0) |
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| 13:13.30 | yottanami | Hey all |
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| 13:13.38 | dragoonis | jelly, makes sense. |
| 13:13.57 | yottanami | I want to mount internal drive in pcmanfm but I got this error "Not authorized to perform operation" |
| 13:14.06 | jelly | dragoonis: yeah, that looks wrong. It probably accidentally works with mod_php because its package has an explicit pinning entry |
| 13:14.28 | dragoonis | I'm looking for 'php5, php5-common, php5-fpm' that's it |
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| 13:14.44 | jelly | dragoonis: then put in a separate entry for each of those |
| 13:14.45 | dragoonis | what should i tweak in my prefs file then, if it looks wrong ? :) |
| 13:14.49 | dragoonis | ok doing so |
| 13:15.13 | jelly | you don't really need the "php5" one, that's a metapackage I think |
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| 13:15.41 | dragoonis | jelly, here's the apt-cache policy output - https://gist.github.com/dragoonis/30736448bbb02e777d70beed5e38dd75 |
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| 13:16.07 | yottanami | here is my config content http://dpaste.com/1910F2B |
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| 13:16.15 | jelly | dragoonis: that seems alright |
| 13:16.47 | jelly | dragoonis: you can now dpkg --purge php packages that are installed already, then install them back |
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| 13:17.22 | dragoonis | jelly, bcoz i'm in docker, whenever i run the 'build' i start from an empty debian wheezy install and then put stuff on top. so nothing is installed by default .. just a FYI about my context |
| 13:17.25 | bleb | In the debian installer I replaced by existing MBR with GRUB, and as warned I can't access the first partition on my disk. Is there an easy way to make this parititon bootable once again? |
| 13:17.30 | dragoonis | how's this for the preferences.d file ? https://gist.github.com/dragoonis/af8cccbf46a65e6063943d0cd87a1a2e |
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| 13:17.41 | jelly | dragoonis: oh, that's alright then |
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| 13:18.10 | jelly | dragoonis: (did not take a look at your file, but the result policy seems to do what you want) |
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| 13:18.38 | dragoonis | I put 3 explicit package entries in the prefs file, and kept the Pin 700 line too |
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| 13:19.22 | jelly | dragoonis: if you install additional packages with aptitude, it ought to figure out what to do. Not so sure about apt-get. |
| 13:19.52 | kristijonas | hey, any ideas how to I debug why gmail marks letters from my smtp server as spam? |
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| 13:22.18 | dragoonis | jelly, i got the same error |
| 13:22.22 | dragoonis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:23.13 | dragoonis | perhaps php5-fpm is still at version 5.4 ? |
| 13:23.40 | dragoonis | Ok, I found the problem here. |
| 13:23.51 | dragoonis | apt-cache policy php5-fpm .. there is no Squeeze entry for PHP 5.3 |
| 13:24.02 | dragoonis | so it always hits php-fpm 5.4 :/ |
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| 13:26.58 | jelly | dragoonis: then you have to switch to a different php api, not fpm, or build your own. |
| 13:27.18 | dragoonis | jelly, okay |
| 13:27.47 | jelly | sorry, I didn't even think about it only being introduced in wheezy |
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| 13:35.49 | iron_houzi | .. normally this entails configure/make/install .. |
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| 13:45.40 | pragomer_1 | just installed stretch on my dell notebook. every time i reboot (via terminal or reboot gui) the system hangs |
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| 13:46.37 | han-solo | support to stretch is that way -----> |
| 13:46.49 | han-solo | !debian-next |
| 13:46.49 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:47.09 | han-solo | kidding :} |
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| 13:47.27 | pragomer_1 | how can i get an invitation to next? |
| 13:48.30 | babilen | It's on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
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| 13:48.57 | doubledutch | pragomer_1: /join #debian-next |
| 13:49.35 | tomcres | It's on irc.oftc.net, not on freenode. |
| 13:50.06 | dgriffi | what's in #debian-next on this network anyway? |
| 13:50.16 | han-solo | i'd guess, dpkg was pretty informative |
| 13:50.31 | han-solo | s/guess/say/ |
| 13:50.50 | tomcres | It's just a placeholder. |
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| 13:57.36 | nguyenphi | I use netinstall cd but can get wifi to work with wpa supplicant just like arch |
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| 13:58.02 | nguyenphi | Is there anyguide out there? |
| 13:58.25 | OerHeks | nguyenphi, netinstall wants cable networking iirc |
| 13:58.50 | nguyenphi | nguyenphi: i installed it successful on my laptop |
| 13:58.51 | OerHeks | (correct me if i am wrong) |
| 13:59.01 | nguyenphi | OerHeks: but can't get the wifi working |
| 13:59.37 | nguyenphi | OerHeks: even install network manager |
| 14:00.01 | nguyenphi | But I counldn't find it interfaces since I used i3wm |
| 14:00.07 | han-solo | check the driver |
| 14:00.29 | nguyenphi | han-solo: i also installed non free firmware |
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| 14:01.37 | han-solo | admin101 - try turning it off and on again :} |
| 14:01.44 | nguyenphi | han-solo: also did that |
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| 14:02.32 | nguyenphi | han-solo: but I dont know is it ok for just install i3 but not desktop environment |
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| 14:02.57 | nguyenphi | han-solo: i did it the same way on arch |
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| 14:07.17 | Popzi | How can I setup VNC abit better? I have (I believe) a bot trying to bruteforce it and keeping it locked all the time so I can't access it >_> ssh kill and restarting it for now |
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| 14:15.25 | fishbulb | how do I find what is in the debian repos |
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| 14:15.56 | fishbulb | it claims to have the most stuff in the repos |
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| 14:16.34 | Brigo | fishbulb, apt-cache search, or aptitude or synaptic, etc. |
| 14:16.45 | fishbulb | I'm not using debian though |
| 14:16.54 | Brigo | fishbulb, the use the web |
| 14:16.58 | Brigo | then* |
| 14:17.04 | fishbulb | I'm using another distro |
| 14:17.08 | Brigo | packages.debian.org, i think |
| 14:17.20 | tomcres | packages.debian.org |
| 14:17.24 | Plushwolf | https://packages.debian.org/ |
| 14:17.30 | fishbulb | cool thanks |
| 14:17.43 | fishbulb | is there a rolling distro of debian |
| 14:17.50 | Plushwolf | no |
| 14:17.57 | fishbulb | damn |
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| 14:18.04 | Brigo | but you can always use testing |
| 14:18.11 | fishbulb | is that rolling? |
| 14:18.26 | Plushwolf | no, it's always in development and things may be broken |
| 14:18.27 | Brigo | fishbulb, yes, and unstable more rolling even. |
| 14:18.37 | fishbulb | ok that sounds terrible |
| 14:18.46 | Brigo | Plushwolf, yes, that's the meaning of rolling if you think a bit about it. := |
| 14:18.49 | Brigo | :D |
| 14:18.54 | Plushwolf | archive -> oldstable -> stable -> testing -> experimental -> sid |
| 14:19.06 | Brigo | fishbulb, that's what a rolling is. |
| 14:19.08 | fishbulb | what would archlinux be |
| 14:19.18 | fishbulb | it doesn't seem to actually break |
| 14:19.24 | Brigo | fishbulb, not sure, i have never used it. |
| 14:19.53 | fishbulb | well it's rolling and claims to be "cutting edge" but the users are extremely elitist and you must do everything "the arch way" |
| 14:19.54 | Brigo | fishbulb, maybe because you are compiling all the time i i got it right. |
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| 14:20.11 | Brigo | fishbulb, very nice if you want to learn, yes. |
| 14:20.26 | fishbulb | learn what |
| 14:20.27 | jelly | Plushwolf: that line is rather incorrect wrt archive, oldstable and experimental |
| 14:20.39 | Plushwolf | Brigo: >ou forget that Arch Linux and Debian can't be compared, Arch doesn't have a stable version and spend all their ressources to keep new packages to their newest version. Debian spend more time in keeping the stable version just more stable, I already had some kernel issues in testing and some MySQL issues on testing |
| 14:20.40 | Brigo | fishbulb, how to conpile, configure, etc. |
| 14:20.46 | fishbulb | I use linux because it's not windows and it runs software |
| 14:21.08 | Brigo | Plushwolf, i just said i don't know arch. |
| 14:21.21 | fishbulb | the operating system runs the software then it gets the hell out of the way |
| 14:21.36 | jelly | that's what an OS is for, yes |
| 14:21.45 | Brigo | jelly, should be ;) |
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| 14:22.06 | fishbulb | and if there's stupid crap that gets in the way of me running the software, I start to dislike the OS |
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| 14:22.43 | fishbulb | is this 1739 actual users? |
| 14:22.45 | Brigo | fishbulb, you aren't talking about systemd, right? :D |
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| 14:23.02 | Plushwolf | jelly: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=package-cycle.svg |
| 14:23.03 | Plushwolf | not really |
| 14:23.15 | Brigo | fishbulb, i hope there are some more. |
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| 14:23.22 | fishbulb | some more what? |
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| 14:23.39 | fishbulb | arch is becoming a bit too elitist |
| 14:23.49 | fishbulb | and there are some things I don't like |
| 14:24.23 | Brigo | fishbulb, users |
| 14:24.39 | fishbulb | yes. |
| 14:24.44 | fishbulb | very perceptive |
| 14:24.53 | BluesKaj | fishbulb, it has no reason tobe elitist, it's a pretty ordinary operating system that just prides itself on so called bleeding edge package versions |
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| 14:25.23 | fishbulb | this is just my opinion. obviously, because I'm the one saying it. |
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| 14:26.06 | ravvz__ | exit |
| 14:26.10 | ravvz__ | rip |
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| 14:26.18 | BluesKaj | fishbulb, not disagreeing , think it's an elitist wannabe |
| 14:26.22 | fishbulb | nobody likes bashing other distros |
| 14:26.55 | fishbulb | but if you have to arbitrarily install the thing manually using instructions that they just removed most of the "handholding" because of "noobs" |
| 14:26.56 | BluesKaj | well, it works , but IMO it's nothing special |
| 14:27.00 | Plushwolf | every distro has its advantages and disadvantages, no need for a distro war here |
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| 14:27.25 | fishbulb | ok I'm just moaning about the other one hoping someone will say "oh everything about this one is perfect and those problems arne't here" |
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| 14:32.04 | BluesKaj | I haven't run debian in a while and I'm enjoying it a lot , especially the KDE/plasma version which has features from plasma 4 that I miss in kubuntu/plasma 5 |
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| 14:42.34 | n4dir | in a debian chroot i am not able to access the manpages. how come? |
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| 14:45.07 | Brigo | n4dir, are they there? are the man path configured? |
| 14:45.30 | n4dir | yes, they are there. What do you mean: man path configured? |
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| 14:46.16 | Brigo | n4dir, maybe that was a mistake |
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| 14:46.25 | Brigo | what's the output of man? |
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| 14:47.12 | lighteningbolt | I installed Debian 8 Live bootable USB... It is slow. If I take out the flashdrive I'm unable to boot windows? I think it's because I installed grub on my windows computer... What a mess? |
| 14:47.12 | n4dir | What man page do you want |
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| 14:48.20 | n4dir | and for all manpages i test, i get: "No manual entry for man. See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available." |
| 14:48.25 | Brigo | n4dir, that ones you can't access, of course. |
| 14:48.51 | Brigo | n4dir, then maybe you have to build the manpage database. |
| 14:49.21 | Brigo | n4dir, you can do it with mandb |
| 14:49.34 | lighteningbolt | I think I might need to scrub my system, although it's difficult with no internet for my tower... Is there a way I can save all my updates to usb? |
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| 14:50.24 | Brigo | lighteningbolt, what updates? |
| 14:50.32 | n4dir | Brigo: error persists |
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| 14:51.09 | Brigo | n4dir, if the man pages are in their right place, then i am clueless, sorry. |
| 14:51.35 | lighteningbolt | updates for windows... Because I need to scrub my system debian grup was installed on my windows computer and now I need a usb stick to boot my machine |
| 14:51.52 | Logg | lighteningbolt: change your boot priorities in bios/uefi to fix boot issue. make sure you install grub to the same place as you have installed debian. |
| 14:52.00 | newbie22 | how about the MANPATH variables ??? |
| 14:52.22 | Brigo | n4dir, maybe man -d (debug mode can give any clues) |
| 14:52.31 | lighteningbolt | I dual booted debian 8 live |
| 14:53.04 | Brigo | lighteningbolt, are you in debian? have you graphical environment? |
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| 14:53.09 | Logg | lighteningbolt: you can insert the windows install disk to repair the windows boot loader if it got damaged. the live system is just for evaluation purposes and you should expect it to be slow if you're running off a usb all the time. |
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| 14:53.19 | lighteningbolt | graphical environment |
| 14:53.40 | n4dir | newbie22: that looks odd. echo $MANPATH |
| 14:53.40 | n4dir | /usr/local/man:/usr/man |
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| 14:53.59 | lighteningbolt | Thanks |
| 14:54.12 | Logg | lighteningbolt: good luck |
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| 14:55.29 | newbie22 | n4dir: open my openSuse the variable MANPATH is set |
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| 14:55.47 | Brigo | newbie22, my $MANPATH is empty too. |
| 14:55.51 | n4dir | and that seems to have done it: export MANPATH=/usr/share/man |
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| 14:56.22 | Brigo | lighteningbolt, then you can just insert the usb stick and you can access it directly |
| 14:56.29 | newbie22 | n4dir: OMG, I am a newbie and I helped someone, I love it... |
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| 14:56.59 | Brigo | n4dir, so it wasn't a mistake when i asked before :D |
| 14:57.00 | n4dir | cool bean, thanks. Brigo mentioned it above too, but i never heard of MANPATH. |
| 14:57.18 | Brigo | as i said, main is empty and man is working. |
| 14:57.28 | n4dir | Brigo: as i never heard of it, i did echo $PATH, .... oh my |
| 14:57.36 | Brigo | don' you love computers? :D |
| 14:58.00 | n4dir | I assume debootstrap or chroot or both use MANPATH from the "host", there it is like that, and there it works. |
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| 14:58.29 | n4dir | cool. thanks to all. |
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| 14:58.51 | Brigo | n4dir, np |
| 14:59.32 | dragoonis | I'm on Wheezy and need help finding the correct sources.list entry to give me this file - https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libapache2-mod-fastcgi |
| 15:00.10 | jelly | ,i libapache2-mod-fastcgi |
| 15:00.11 | judd | Package libapache2-mod-fastcgi (non-free/httpd, optional) in jessie/amd64: Apache 2 FastCGI module for long-running CGI scripts. Version: 2.4.7~0910052141-1.1+deb8u1; Size: 64.0k; Installed: 190k; Homepage: http://www.fastcgi.com/ |
| 15:00.14 | jelly | ,i libapache2-mod-fastcgi --release wheezy |
| 15:00.15 | judd | Package libapache2-mod-fastcgi (non-free/httpd, optional) in wheezy/amd64: Apache 2 FastCGI module for long-running CGI scripts. Version: 2.4.7~0910052141-1; Size: 70.7k; Installed: 276k; Homepage: http://www.fastcgi.com/ |
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| 15:00.47 | jelly | dpkg, tell dragoonis about non-free sources |
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| 15:02.06 | jelly | dragoonis: tried libapache2-mod-fcgid ? |
| 15:02.11 | jelly | might be an option |
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| 15:04.09 | dragoonis | jelly, i have tried it. it doesn't actually work. |
| 15:04.18 | dragoonis | Invalid command 'FastCGIExternalServer', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
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| 15:04.45 | dontknow | how can i change my user password? (i use sudo and don't have root account) |
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| 15:05.02 | dragoonis | That keyword is introduced by 'libapache2-mod-fcgi' and if you install 'libapache2-mod-fcgid' it doesn't give you that keyword |
| 15:05.17 | Logg | dontknow: passwd |
| 15:05.32 | dontknow | "sudo passwd username" doesn't work |
| 15:05.44 | n4dir | no need for sudo |
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| 15:08.19 | dontknow | when i say "passwd username" after entering current password and new password, it says "authorization key manuplation error" |
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| 15:09.33 | dontknow | ? |
| 15:09.57 | n4dir | passwd ; no username |
| 15:12.05 | n4dir | if you need to do it for a different acount, try "sudo su" and then "passwd username" |
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| 15:12.37 | dontknow | n4dir, only passwd failed again. same error |
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| 15:13.53 | OS-27364 | 1 2 testing |
| 15:14.03 | Logg | 3 4 works |
| 15:14.13 | jelly | dragoonis: going to assume you a2enmod'd it and restarted apache before trying and that it really doesn't work |
| 15:14.26 | dragoonis | jelly, yes indeed :) |
| 15:14.44 | dragoonis | a2enmod fcgid (Module already loaded) |
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| 15:14.55 | dontknow | i want to change password without turkish character, because i am going to install kde on stretch. and i heard that kde doesn't obey yout keyboard layout, you have to change keyboard layout in kde |
| 15:15.24 | dontknow | anyone information about that |
| 15:15.31 | dontknow | ? |
| 15:15.51 | dontknow | though i can't change my user password |
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| 15:16.23 | jelly | dontknow: log in as root at the console, set new password with "passwd username" |
| 15:16.26 | planetmaker | eh, that sounds pretty strange @ dontknow |
| 15:16.31 | Logg | If it says "authorization token manipulation error" I think that means you mistyped the password. |
| 15:16.43 | dontknow | jelly, i don't have root account |
| 15:16.56 | jelly | dontknow: do you have access to the console? |
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| 15:17.19 | dontknow | you mean ctrl+alt+f2? i can use terminal |
| 15:17.24 | planetmaker | passwd should work for you in console / bash |
| 15:17.56 | jelly | dontknow: how do you do admin work then, with sudo? |
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| 15:18.27 | Anonymes | hi |
| 15:18.36 | jelly | !i forgot root password |
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| 15:18.37 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 15:18.43 | dontknow | jelly, what is admin work? |
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| 15:18.50 | jelly | dontknow: ^^ you can set a new root password that way |
| 15:19.15 | jelly | and while you're at it you can also set a new user password too |
| 15:19.18 | Logg | dontknow: if you can sudo, do "sudo -i" and you get root |
| 15:19.48 | jelly | that's going to be problematic if they can't type in the password at the login prompt |
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| 15:19.57 | Anonymes | hi |
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| 15:20.38 | jelly | dontknow: work that required administrative (ie. root) privileges, eg: installing and removing programs, changing global configuration, that kind of thing |
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| 15:20.46 | jelly | requires* |
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| 15:21.25 | dontknow | jelly, Logg ehhh. it doesn't work and i don't understand you jelly |
| 15:21.38 | dontknow | fuck it |
| 15:21.47 | n4dir | you are using kde right now? |
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| 15:22.17 | dontknow | n4dir, no. but i am going to install kde plasma. and i heard it doesn't obey keyboard layout |
| 15:22.20 | n4dir | if so, post the command you use and the messages you get, all of it. Say to paste.debian.net |
| 15:23.14 | n4dir | hard to believe that kde will not do it. |
| 15:23.25 | jelly | dontknow: so avoid using accented characters in the password |
| 15:23.40 | dontknow | i googled it and they have complex workaround. i don'rt want to break |
| 15:24.06 | dontknow | jelly, lol that's what i am trying to do |
| 15:24.29 | jelly | dontknow: if you haven't done the installation yet at all, what's the problem? |
| 15:24.49 | jelly | use ascii only, and be happy |
| 15:25.07 | n4dir | as far i understand he wants to be prepared to install kde. Hence he wants to change the password now. And that doesnn't work |
| 15:25.07 | Logg | I use emoji in my passwords, very secure |
| 15:25.16 | n4dir | dontknow: i got that right? |
| 15:25.27 | dontknow | jelly, i am on debian stable now. i have access everything. i want to update it to the stretch and install kde. but before that because of the bug i have to change passwd |
| 15:25.35 | n4dir | Logg: i simply don't let anyone enter my room. Very secure too |
| 15:25.39 | jelly | dontknow: so change it now |
| 15:26.06 | n4dir | jelly: the whole problem is that he *can't* change it |
| 15:26.10 | jelly | dontknow: can you log in at the console? |
| 15:26.13 | dontknow | jelly, are you ok? i can't change it |
| 15:26.27 | Logg | dontknow: if you can log into a tty, that tty can apparently handle the accent mark in your password |
| 15:26.41 | jelly | dontknow: did you try logging in at Ctrl-Alt-F1, and then changing the password with "passwd" command |
| 15:26.44 | Logg | you said before you tried to "sudo passwd user", and got an error from passwd, which means you have sudo access |
| 15:26.51 | Logg | so just sudo -i, then passwd user |
| 15:27.03 | jelly | no, not "sudo passwd user", just "passwd" |
| 15:27.04 | dontknow | Logg, it didn't work |
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| 15:27.13 | dontknow | jelly, it didn't work |
| 15:27.34 | jelly | dontknow: what didn't work, logging in or the "passwd" command? |
| 15:28.02 | dontknow | i can log in. sudo password works great. i kust can't change the password |
| 15:28.14 | Logg | issue the command "sudo -i" |
| 15:28.15 | jelly | I didn't say sudo anything. |
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| 15:28.40 | jelly | lets Logg lead and goes doing something else |
| 15:29.19 | dontknow | Logg, i can log in using "sudo -i" but can't change passwors |
| 15:29.30 | dontknow | same error |
| 15:30.04 | n4dir | copy and paste the whole shebang: the command[s] you run and the messages you get. |
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| 15:30.10 | Logg | if you have root, then you don't need to input your old password when you change passwd |
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| 15:31.43 | dontknow | passwd: Authentication token manipulation error |
| 15:31.44 | dontknow | passwd: password unchanged |
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| 15:32.11 | Logg | internet says that can happen if your filesystem isn't mounted rw |
| 15:32.23 | Logg | and maybe you need to delete the old password with "passwd -d user" |
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| 15:32.40 | dontknow | wait i found a video tutorial |
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| 15:35.04 | seoner | can you please tell if my sources.list looks good? http://pastebin.com/0qiXRNvH <- as I understand it missing a line (deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free) <- this one |
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| 15:36.04 | n4dir | seoner: you only need deb-src lines if you plan to compile packages from source yourself |
| 15:37.37 | seoner | n4dir: I follow this link (How to upgrade Debian Wheezy to Jessie safely) https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/how-to-upgrade-debian-wheezy-to-jessie-stable-release/ .. and it says "We will install all available Wheezy updates first before we upgrade to Jessie. please check the sources.list" |
| 15:38.16 | seoner | n4dir: so I asking if im ready to go? |
| 15:39.12 | n4dir | i would say yes. |
| 15:39.21 | n4dir | !sources list |
| 15:39.25 | n4dir | damnit |
| 15:39.30 | n4dir | !wheezy |
| 15:39.30 | dpkg | Wheezy is the current <oldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: https://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 ; security support ended on 2016-04-25, but ask me about <wheezy-lts>. Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <wheezy release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Final update <7.11>. |
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| 15:40.35 | n4dir | seoner: i am very sure that deb-src is not needed. I am not so sure how debian-stable or debian-old-stable sources entries have to look. To me it looks good though |
| 15:41.11 | Logg | if apt-get update is successful I think it looks fine |
| 15:42.04 | n4dir | https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 15:42.21 | n4dir | i always get confused by updates, back then volatile, and what not. But to me it looks fine |
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| 15:47.44 | seoner | n4dir: ok thank you |
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| 15:48.52 | seoner | n4dir: some people say that wheezy is unsecure. what do you think about it? |
| 15:49.14 | BluesKaj | seoner, BS :-) |
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| 15:51.06 | lighteningbolt | What you you think of Firestarter ? |
| 15:51.08 | Bliepo | Eehhh |
| 15:51.11 | Bliepo | !wheezy |
| 15:51.12 | dpkg | Wheezy is the current <oldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: https://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 ; security support ended on 2016-04-25, but ask me about <wheezy-lts>. Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <wheezy release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Final update <7.11>. |
| 15:51.21 | Bliepo | Security supported *ended* |
| 15:52.14 | lighteningbolt | In with the New and out with the Old |
| 15:52.15 | n4dir | seoner: i don't think much about it. On the raspberry i still run wheezy, and i do know that a few people here mentioned they'd be still running wheezy on servers |
| 15:52.38 | n4dir | in a few months the question if it is or not is obsolete anyway |
| 15:53.54 | lighteningbolt | You can run a firewall |
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| 15:56.50 | jelly | Bliepo: ended support by the security team, how there's support by the LTS team |
| 15:57.00 | jelly | now* |
| 15:57.34 | jelly | it's a bit more limited, a couple packages are not supported any more |
| 15:57.48 | Bliepo | Yes, I read, but if upgrading isn't too much trouble I'd upgrade |
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| 15:58.15 | sphalerite | Is there a way to show the dependency closure of a package? |
| 15:58.30 | fred1807 | I would like to add my usb hd to fstab, whats wrong with this line? UUID="0E1C399F-8891-411C-A4BA-A126CB95FD88" /mnt/hd ext4 rw,defaults,noatime,nofail 0 0 |
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| 15:59.49 | sphalerite | fred1807: I'm not sure if that's the problem, but the quotes shouldn't be necessary |
| 16:00.18 | sphalerite | I'm not sure how the mounting works from there but my fstab entries also have lowercase UUIDs |
| 16:00.48 | sphalerite | It may be using /dev/disk/by-uuid/<uuid> in which case it will have to be lowercase |
| 16:01.02 | sphalerite | I may be wrong, but trying shouldn't do any harm :) |
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| 16:01.35 | jelly | fred1807: get rid of doublequotes, try again |
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| 16:03.15 | fishbulb | can I ask questions to compare distros |
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| 16:04.17 | fishbulb | I am so sick of distro hopping, and arch is more trouble than it's worth |
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| 16:04.49 | fishbulb | I went to arch because there seemed to be way fewer rules |
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| 16:05.38 | fishbulb | neither of those things were questions |
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| 16:06.16 | seoner | ok |
| 16:06.19 | seoner | thank you |
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| 16:07.11 | SerajewelKS | fishbulb: you can ask about debian for sure. other distros are off-topic generally but *may* be on-topic when being compared with debian. note that you're probably going to get answers biased in favor of debian. |
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| 16:08.45 | SerajewelKS | fishbulb: FWIW, i started on the free version of red hat (before fedora was a separate thing), tried slackware for a few hours and gave up on it, then tried debian and i haven't ever wanted to switch to anything else |
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| 16:09.12 | SerajewelKS | i used red hat for at least a year |
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| 16:11.19 | BluesKaj | I install debian when i want to restore some Linux sanity back into my computing life :-) |
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| 16:12.11 | fishbulb | I'm too medicated, "the arch way" is... I hate it |
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| 16:13.13 | fishbulb | the other distros I used were probably all in the top 10 or 15 |
| 16:13.46 | BluesKaj | i also test kubuntu dev OSs which is a bit frustrtating nowadays |
| 16:14.09 | n4dir | anything without systemd is fine to me. |
| 16:14.48 | fishbulb | n4dir, is systemd the thing that makes the network interfaces all weird names? |
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| 16:16.12 | BluesKaj | fishbulb, in a word, yes |
| 16:16.50 | fishbulb | ok, arch is not the right distro |
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| 16:17.10 | sphalerite | I ⥠NixOS |
| 16:17.12 | sphalerite | hiddes |
| 16:17.17 | sphalerite | s/dd/d/ |
| 16:17.19 | fishbulb | I don't knowif anything is the right distro |
| 16:17.37 | BluesKaj | bah, humbug...paranoia |
| 16:18.13 | fishbulb | what if I'm destined to distro hop forever, oh no |
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| 16:18.41 | pieradmin | hello |
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| 16:18.58 | jelly | yes hello |
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| 16:19.24 | n4dir | pick any distro, stick to it and learn it well. they all suck |
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| 16:19.41 | BluesKaj | fishbulb, what are your interests on Linux exactly, some distros are better than others in certain areas |
| 16:20.04 | jelly | I'm with n4dir on this one. |
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| 16:20.11 | BluesKaj | n4dir, that's BS |
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| 16:20.31 | fishbulb | both you guys made me feel worse about life |
| 16:20.48 | fishbulb | but also better |
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| 16:21.13 | jelly | something would have to be immensely better than debian to make me consider switching, and there's no such distro, either commercial or free |
| 16:21.17 | sphalerite | I was a debian guy for many years, distro-hopped for a couple of months last year, and settled on NixOS. Not for people who don't like to tinker (a matter of maturity), but I really like the model of having software installed into environments rather than the machine. |
| 16:21.52 | fishbulb | the problem I had with debian whenever I last tried it was I think I wanted to use firefox, it wasn't allowed because firefox has a logo |
| 16:21.55 | jelly | Arch has excellent docs, tho, I'll give them that |
| 16:21.56 | fishbulb | something insane like that |
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| 16:22.14 | BluesKaj | maturity ?? more BS :-) |
| 16:22.15 | jelly | fishbulb: mozilla reconsidered that, there's firefox in debian again |
| 16:22.21 | n4dir | fishbulb: if you know a distro well, instead of distrohopping, then you know how to work around such "issues" |
| 16:22.23 | fishbulb | something richard stallman would think of while eating mushrooms off his feet |
| 16:22.48 | sphalerite | fishbulb: Even then you could use it. It just wasn't officially called firefox. |
| 16:23.00 | jelly | fishbulb: I'd say try using each distro for at least 3-6 months |
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| 16:23.32 | bleb | I've installed debian to boot with UEFI. Now I have "debian" listed in my EFI menu for booting, but if I select it it doesn't do anything. The screen refreshed but displays the same selection menu, rather than booting debian. Is there any hope? |
| 16:23.35 | jelly | you just can't figure out best practices and common workarounds in a week or three |
| 16:23.39 | fishbulb | I've used arch for about a year, probably more, and I still have to come to irc to find shit out |
| 16:23.44 | DUSHMAN2012 | hi everybody |
| 16:23.52 | n4dir | a year ain't that long |
| 16:23.55 | DUSHMAN2012 | i'm debian stretch user |
| 16:24.01 | sphalerite | BluesKaj: is that in response to me? I think the amount of tinkering necessary with NixOS is absolutely a matter of maturity. |
| 16:24.05 | DUSHMAN2012 | and i am newbie in irc |
| 16:24.08 | fishbulb | the coming to irc part with arch users is the worst |
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| 16:24.34 | SerajewelKS | fishbulb: you'll have that with debian too. just ask smart questions and you'll get smart answers. |
| 16:24.40 | DUSHMAN2012 | have you something to say to me |
| 16:24.56 | mtn | DUSHMAN2012: do you have a support question? |
| 16:24.57 | SerajewelKS | fishbulb: you're going to need to ask for support with any OS |
| 16:24.57 | BluesKaj | sphalerite, a mature OS is more efficient |
| 16:24.59 | fishbulb | run for your life! |
| 16:25.35 | fishbulb | SerajewelKS, I'm really sedated right now, I'm trying to explain why arch might be wrong and why debian might be right |
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| 16:25.51 | DUSHMAN2012 | mtn: no i can support myself and other debian users? i use debian from squeeze |
| 16:25.56 | SerajewelKS | fishbulb: try debian in a virtual machine for a few days, that's the best way to answer your question |
| 16:26.06 | n4dir | fishbulb: sounds more like #debian-offtopic |
| 16:26.15 | fishbulb | no I don't do that, if I'm going to install sometihng I install it |
| 16:26.17 | DUSHMAN2012 | but only today find time to install irc client and get in |
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| 16:26.31 | mtn | DUSHMAN2012: this is not a general chat channel |
| 16:26.39 | sphalerite | BluesKaj: what's efficiency got to do with what I said? |
| 16:26.51 | nikolov | how to use full hd resolution free radeon driver |
| 16:26.55 | fishbulb | debian claims to have the most software in the repos, what's that like compared to the AUR? another thing I hate |
| 16:27.09 | DUSHMAN2012 | mtn: only debian support questions? ok, what's channel just for talk at this server? maybe russian channels? |
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| 16:27.31 | mtn | DUSHMAN2012: #debian-offtopic |
| 16:27.37 | DUSHMAN2012 | ok, thanks |
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| 16:27.45 | mtn | !ru |
| 16:27.45 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 16:28.09 | DUSHMAN2012 | thanks all |
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| 16:28.31 | DUSHMAN2012 | but about russian chat's just 4 talk, not for support? |
| 16:28.49 | BluesKaj | sphalerite, this isn't a debate, and we're reminded to stay ontopic |
| 16:28.55 | SerajewelKS | fishbulb: debian (stable) has damn near everything, but the version from six months ago ;) |
| 16:29.01 | SerajewelKS | which is probably okay in most cases |
| 16:29.15 | sphalerite | BluesKaj: I'm just wondering what your point is, not trying to argue |
| 16:29.17 | fishbulb | opentoonz? |
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| 16:29.50 | sphalerite | BluesKaj: you said BS in response (AFAICT) to something I said, I'm trying to understand why |
| 16:29.52 | BluesKaj | sphalerite, of , tinkering is not a sign of maturity |
| 16:30.15 | SerajewelKS | fishbulb: that software may be too new |
| 16:30.40 | jelly | SerajewelKS: itym 2 years ago! |
| 16:30.48 | SerajewelKS | fishbulb: there isn't even an official linux build |
| 16:30.57 | fishbulb | yes there is |
| 16:31.14 | SerajewelKS | jelly: well, six months at the moment stable is released, isn't the freeze about six months now? |
| 16:31.26 | greycat | There's no fixed time. |
| 16:31.28 | SerajewelKS | since the change to a faster release cycle? |
| 16:31.29 | sphalerite | fishbulb: opentoonz seems to be non-free software as well, which is less of a focus in debian |
| 16:31.34 | SerajewelKS | greycat: i'm approximating |
| 16:31.42 | fishbulb | it's totally free |
| 16:31.53 | fishbulb | it's probably just obscure |
| 16:32.05 | SerajewelKS | fishbulb: "free" doesn't necessarily mean it complies with the debian free software guidelines (DFSG) |
| 16:32.08 | sphalerite | I doubt that licence is DFSG-compatible |
| 16:32.22 | n4dir | i could swear the channel topic says something about questions ... |
| 16:32.22 | fishbulb | oh shit now I remember |
| 16:32.22 | SerajewelKS | and if there is a linux build, it's not on their website anywhere |
| 16:33.10 | fishbulb | I think you're looking at the wrong thing |
| 16:33.10 | sphalerite | oh wait, that restrictive licence only seems to apply to the windows/OSX binaries while the code available on github seems to be 3-clause BSD which is free |
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| 16:33.45 | fishbulb | how much paperwork do I need to fill out |
| 16:34.06 | sphalerite | none at all :) you could try building opentoonz yourself |
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| 16:34.19 | sphalerite | If you're feeling like learning about debian, you could even package it. |
| 16:34.21 | SerajewelKS | fishbulb: you can file a RFP (request for package) on the bug tracker. or you could learn debian packaging and file an ITP (intent to package) and do it yourself. |
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| 16:34.36 | fishbulb | I want to run the software |
| 16:34.50 | fishbulb | then I want the os to never do anything to annoy me |
| 16:35.14 | BluesKaj | debian jessie 8.7.1's media capabilities have gotten much better since I last ran jessie ...this is my HTPC and it 's working well with my plasma tv/monitor and audio system. I'm very pleased : |
| 16:35.47 | SerajewelKS | fishbulb: you are describing a fictional OS, every OS is going to annoy you sooner or later |
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| 16:35.49 | sphalerite | fishbulb: good luck with that |
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| 16:36.06 | greycat | Debian is one of the least annoying. |
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| 16:36.09 | SerajewelKS | i find debian less annoying than most others, anyway |
| 16:36.13 | jelly | SerajewelKS: even then, not all maintainers upload the latest thing right before the freeze |
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| 16:36.25 | SerajewelKS | jelly: true |
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| 16:36.42 | fishbulb | debian involves people so it's definitely going to be annoying |
| 16:36.44 | sphalerite | fishbulb: try https://github.com/opentoonz/opentoonz/blob/master/doc/how_to_build_linux.md . It's also got a link to an AppImage distribution of OpenToonz at the bottom which might work on any distribution |
| 16:36.48 | SerajewelKS | i should get back into packaging, i only ever packaged one thing and i recently requested that it be removed from debian |
| 16:36.56 | sphalerite | fishbulb: good luck finding a distro that doesn't involve people |
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| 16:37.32 | fishbulb | I'm making cynical remarks |
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| 16:37.58 | SerajewelKS | you aren't wrong. people are the most annoying part of software. |
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| 16:39.48 | fishbulb | they're the worst part of life. they should be the best. when a lot of people get together there are "politics" involved, when it comes to software I want to use everything and never pay for it |
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| 16:40.50 | fishbulb | if there are a LOT of rules about software, that could be really bad |
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| 16:41.03 | SerajewelKS | you should want to contribute somehow. i mean not that you can't use free software, but don't be one of those leeches that uses and uses and takes support and never gives back. |
| 16:41.27 | SerajewelKS | even just staying in this channel and helping other people is a good way to give back. provided that you know what you're talking about. |
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| 16:42.55 | str_ | I have a debianjessiebox , 2 networks [NA,NB], 2 routers[RA,RB], INET->RA->NA->JessieboxA<-NB<-RB<-INET and I would like to ping from network A to network B. What can I do on JessiBox. I tried ipforward=1 but nothing happens. |
| 16:43.07 | SuperNull | hey guys, kinda random but im automating SSH but the remote server is sending unicode (its a device i cannot change this) anyone know of a way of forcing UTF8 only |
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| 16:43.28 | greycat | I thought it's a "device you cannot change". |
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| 16:43.51 | jelly | SuperNull: ssh does not care about the contents of the stream. Deal with it on the endpoints. |
| 16:43.55 | greycat | Also, Unicode is an abstract thing, not an actual encoding of bytes for characters. You seem to be confused. |
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| 16:44.05 | jelly | !ask |
| 16:44.06 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 16:44.11 | SerajewelKS | str_: you may need to masquerade/NAT in both directions |
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| 16:44.31 | SuperNull | perhaps.. but its basically im working with Alcatel routers.. |
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| 16:44.44 | SerajewelKS | str_: unless each network uses JessieboxA as their gateway, either globally or for the other network |
| 16:44.46 | SuperNull | and its sending me whitespace that gets encoded into TCL jacked. |
| 16:44.56 | jelly | tcl? |
| 16:44.59 | SuperNull | greycat: you probably are the most relevant to respond ;) |
| 16:45.02 | greycat | SuperNull: what *exactly* are you receiving and what issue are you trying to solve? |
| 16:45.05 | jelly | SuperNull: are you... using expect? |
| 16:45.11 | SuperNull | yes.. |
| 16:45.15 | SerajewelKS | str_: basically if the machines in NA/NB don't know how to get packets to the other network then they won't get back |
| 16:45.18 | greycat | 11:32 SuperNull|#tcl> im using expect to automate ssh .. but the remote server is sending unicoded white space characters |
| 16:45.25 | greycat | 11:42 SuperNull|#tcl> if i turn on exp_internal .. i can see '\u001b[1D\' .. |
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| 16:45.42 | SerajewelKS | str_: you may also be using some firewall package that sets the policy for the filter-FORWARD chain to DROP |
| 16:45.45 | greycat | That looks like a terminal escape sequence. NOTHING to do with unicode. |
| 16:45.48 | SuperNull | expect it not liking the hidden chars.. for matching scans and stuff |
| 16:45.59 | SuperNull | greycat okay.. my bad. |
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| 16:46.03 | greycat | 001b is ESC. ESC [ blah is a terminal sequence. |
| 16:46.15 | jelly | SuperNull: there are better ways to talk to network devices, like perl Net::Appliance::Session module |
| 16:46.19 | str_ | SerajewelKS, no Jessibox appears only as regular machine in both nets 192.168.0.100 and 192.168.2.100 |
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| 16:46.33 | SuperNull | no thanks to perl. |
| 16:46.45 | SerajewelKS | str_: i assume the networks are 192.168.0.0/24 and 192.168.2.0/24 then |
| 16:46.54 | str_ | SerajewelKS, yes |
| 16:46.57 | jelly | SuperNull: python then |
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| 16:47.13 | SerajewelKS | str_: if that's the case then my original statement stands. you either need to NAT from one network to the other, or... are you using DHCP to assign IPs in both networks? |
| 16:47.15 | SuperNull | i can probably map the pattern to ''. |
| 16:47.42 | jelly | ,i python-paramiko |
| 16:47.43 | judd | Package python-paramiko (python, optional) in jessie/amd64: Make ssh v2 connections with Python (Python 2). Version: 1.15.1-1; Size: 104.5k; Installed: 612k; Homepage: https://github.com/paramiko/paramiko/ |
| 16:47.43 | str_ | SerajewelKS, Yes DHCP individual on both networks on RA and RB |
| 16:48.13 | SerajewelKS | str_: okay. so you need to configure the DHCP server on both networks to advertise jessiebox as the gateway to reach the other network. |
| 16:48.16 | str_ | SerajewelKS, I tried that but it does not work either http://www.revsys.com/writings/quicktips/nat.html |
| 16:48.30 | SerajewelKS | str_: it will work if you do it right |
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| 16:49.11 | SerajewelKS | str_: the problem is that even though the jessie box is forwarding traffic between the networks, none of the hosts in the two networks have been informed of this |
| 16:49.26 | SerajewelKS | str_: so they are sending ALL packets outside of their own network to their default gateway (RA/RB) |
| 16:49.51 | SerajewelKS | str_: so even with NAT you would have to configure the routing tables... so NAT is not a good solution here since the jessie box is not the default router for these networks |
| 16:49.59 | str_ | SerajewelKS, I have a static route on RA for route add -net 192.168.0.0/24 gw 192.168.0.100 on RB (192.168.2.1) |
| 16:50.14 | jelly | SuperNull: did you try asking ssh to avoid opening a tty |
| 16:50.17 | str_ | SerajewelKS, and the opposite for RB |
| 16:50.51 | SerajewelKS | str_: that route doesn't make sense |
| 16:51.01 | SerajewelKS | str_: the gateway should be in the 192.168.2.0/24 network, no? |
| 16:51.37 | SerajewelKS | str_: you're telling the router that in order to reach the network 192.168.0.0/24 it should use 192.168.0.100 as the gateway. this creates a circular problem where it needs to use the gateway to reach the gateway. |
| 16:51.39 | str_ | SerajewelKS, yes... of course always for the other network |
| 16:52.00 | SuperNull | jelly: like... -T ? |
| 16:52.03 | jelly | yes |
| 16:52.06 | SerajewelKS | str_: paste me the exact routes you set up. the route you put in IRC is incorrect and wouldn't work. |
| 16:52.27 | SuperNull | no bueno |
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| 16:52.46 | SuperNull | still get the escapes |
| 16:52.49 | Lalalove | Hello. |
| 16:53.17 | jelly | SuperNull: then your device is broken, filter the crap out manually |
| 16:53.20 | Lalalove | With latest testing, how do I set CONFIG_DRM_AMDGPU_SI? |
| 16:53.35 | SuperNull | jelly: its Alcatel.. of course its broke |
| 16:53.43 | jelly | ^_^ |
| 16:54.13 | Lalalove | Is it necessary to recompile the kernel to set CONFIG_DRM_AMDGPU_SI? |
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| 16:54.41 | Lalalove | Got this 270X and it won't run out of the box. |
| 16:55.04 | str_ | SerajewelKS, I have zentyal on A which is router and default gateway for internet A on 192.168.0.1 and setup static route 192.168.2.0/32 with gateway 192.168.0.100 (jessiebox) |
| 16:55.29 | SerajewelKS | str_: shouldn't that route be 192.168.2.0/24 |
| 16:56.00 | jelly | judd: kconfig DRM_AMDGPU_SI --release stretch |
| 16:56.01 | judd | Searching for 'DRM_AMDGPU_SI' in stretch kernel config gives no results. |
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| 16:56.45 | Lalalove | judd, kconfig DRM_AMDGPU |
| 16:56.46 | judd | Searching for 'DRM_AMDGPU' in jessie kernel config gives no results. |
| 16:56.50 | jelly | Lalalove: so it's unset. /boot/config-4.9.0-1-amd64:# CONFIG_DRM_AMDGPU_SI is not set |
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| 16:57.03 | str_ | SerajewelKS, no I rechecked it says /32 |
| 16:57.04 | Lalalove | Yeah! |
| 16:57.13 | Lalalove | I'll need to enable it. |
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| 16:57.29 | Lalalove | cat /boot/config-4.9.0-1-amd64 | grep DRM_AMD |
| 16:57.37 | Lalalove | # CONFIG_DRM_AMDGPU_SI is not set |
| 16:57.37 | jelly | Lalalove: check the bug reports for that kernel package, and consider filing one if you need it |
| 16:57.47 | Lalalove | There's one. |
| 16:57.53 | Lalalove | https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2016/12/msg00192.html |
| 16:58.02 | jelly | what's the bug number? |
| 16:58.20 | Lalalove | 847570! |
| 16:58.29 | SerajewelKS | str_: then there's your problem, it should be /24 |
| 16:58.30 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.31 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/847570 in src:linux (open, patch): «linux-image-4.9.0-rc8-amd64-unsigned: AMDGPU not build with support for GCN1.0 and GCN1.1 VGAs»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2016-12-09; last modified: 2017-01-05. |
| 16:58.43 | SerajewelKS | str_: or at least there's ONE of your problems |
| 16:58.59 | SerajewelKS | str_: i can't say it'll work after changing that, but it definitely isn't going to work unless you do |
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| 16:59.27 | SerajewelKS | str_: unless you only want to ping the exact address 192.168.2.0 -- which isn't even a valid IP for a host in the 192.168.2.0/24 subnet |
| 16:59.41 | jelly | Lalalove: If you have hardware that does not work with stretch, I'd say that deserves more than wishlist priority, so chime in |
| 16:59.57 | Lalalove | How do I chime in? |
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| 17:00.14 | Lalalove | I'm here and it doesn't work. |
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| 17:00.47 | AlexPortable | how do I trust a root CA in ica (web) client |
| 17:01.03 | AlexPortable | eh srorry wrong channel |
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| 17:01.11 | jelly | Lalalove: send mail to that bug, taking note of your hardware. This irc channel is volunteer support and package maintainers do not read it really |
| 17:01.19 | str_ | SerajewelKS, changed ... will try but need to reboot jessibox since I tried everything already...:-) |
| 17:01.30 | SerajewelKS | str_: you shouldn't need to reboot at all |
| 17:01.33 | SerajewelKS | str_: this isn't windows |
| 17:01.33 | Lalalove | :( |
| 17:01.51 | SerajewelKS | though even on windows, network changes do not require a reboot |
| 17:01.55 | jelly | Lalalove: you may try asking in #debian-kernel over on irc.oftc.net, see if they tell you the same thing |
| 17:02.41 | str_ | SerajewelKS, just because I added tons of routes and iptables but did not persist them and it is faster to reboot than delete each and every experiment I came up with |
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| 17:02.47 | Lalalove | Alright, sounds better than writing an e-mail. |
| 17:02.53 | Lalalove | Thank you and goodbye! |
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| 17:04.25 | SerajewelKS | str_: okay |
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| 17:05.00 | str_ | SerajewelKS, Fine now something works now... Ping of 192.168.2.100 from 192.168.0.x, but as soon as I ping "deepr" |
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| 17:06.42 | str_ | SerajewelKS, If I now do the nat masquerade it should be possible to ping every computer, right? |
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| 17:09.49 | SerajewelKS | str_: that shouldn't be necessary if you have a route configured |
| 17:10.28 | SerajewelKS | str_: what's more likely is that forwarding isn't working. double-check that ipforward is turned on for the v4 stack and that the default policy for the filter-FORWARD chain isn't DROP. |
| 17:10.51 | SerajewelKS | str_: make sure that you fix the other route as well, if it's /32 |
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| 17:11.30 | SerajewelKS | str_: on the 192.168.2 router you should have a route for 192.168.0/24 gw 192.168.2.jessiebox, and on the 192.168.0 router you should have a route for 192.168.2/24 gw 192.168.0.jessiebox |
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| 17:12.28 | str_ | SerajewelKS, I erased the other route for now and I did iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE -> now I can ping every computer from A to B, but as soon as I get to a website provided not on port 80 it does not even load |
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| 17:12.43 | SerajewelKS | str_: you don't need NAT. stop using NAT. |
| 17:12.49 | SerajewelKS | something else isn't configured right |
| 17:12.52 | str_ | SerajewelKS, Ok |
| 17:13.05 | romgo | Hello |
| 17:13.09 | str_ | SerajewelKS, Ok I will add the 2nd static route first. |
| 17:13.11 | SerajewelKS | if the route in each direction works, NAT won't be necessary |
| 17:13.46 | romgo | I just setup ldap authentification with nslcd. it works, but since I install nscd first authentification still failed until I shutdown the daemon |
| 17:13.55 | romgo | Any idea on what is wrong with nscd ? |
| 17:15.06 | romgo | should I give a try to unscd ? |
| 17:15.58 | jelly | romgo: check if things work well after a reboot, first. I've found unscd to be a bit more stable, but I don't use it with a ldap setup right now |
| 17:17.39 | jelly | assuming you've also set up user and group lookups with ldap, ie. NIS, not just auth |
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| 17:23.56 | str_ | SerajewelKS, Ok done, both routes added in the router now I got 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.2.16... ping now works for every machine without any nat. |
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| 17:24.56 | SuperNull | jelly: greycat figured it out .. it was a spinner ... \|/- ... progress bar that was hidden because it happens so quickly |
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| 17:25.48 | jelly | *headslap* |
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| 17:26.30 | str_ | SerajewelKS, I tried to reach website at 192.168.2.200 from 192.168.0.1 through a browser but loads forever...but ping works |
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| 17:28.08 | str_ | I will try to do the opposite from Network B now. |
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| 17:30.26 | SerajewelKS | str_: might be worth running tcpdump on the jessie box to see what packets are flowing |
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| 17:37.27 | SerajewelKS | str_: if ping works then there's no reason TCP shouldn't also work. it's possible that the firewall on the machine you're connecting to only allows connections from the LAN, for example. |
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| 17:38.08 | SerajewelKS | str_: use tcpdump to verify that packets are correctly being forwarded. for example if you see the SYN packet enter the jessie box and then leave out the other network interface, then the problem is likely on the machine running the HTTP service. |
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| 17:38.33 | str_ | SerajewelKS, But ping works only from side A ... |
| 17:38.41 | str_ | SerajewelKS, will try tcpdump |
| 17:38.48 | SerajewelKS | str_: then you have another configuration issue |
| 17:39.02 | SerajewelKS | str_: ping should work from both sides. if it does not, fix that first. |
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| 17:39.49 | str_ | SerajewelKS, thx ... I'm on it.. |
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| 17:52.07 | asolgr22 | exit |
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| 17:54.42 | Necrosporus | E: The repository 'cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20170213-04:16] stretch Release' does not have a Release file. |
| 17:54.53 | Necrosporus | And that's on freshly installed system |
| 17:56.08 | greycat | sounds like a bug you should report since you are testing the installer |
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| 17:59.46 | Necrosporus | greycat, this problem existed back in Debian 6.0 |
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| 18:00.01 | Necrosporus | https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/02/msg00140.html also it was reported in Stretch a year ago |
| 18:00.06 | Necrosporus | and still nobody fixed it |
| 18:00.13 | greycat | !d-i |
| 18:00.13 | dpkg | Debian 8 "Jessie" is now the "stable" Debian release. See http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/ for images. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. See also <errata>, <g-i>. |
| 18:00.21 | greycat | Those are the people who would be able to fix it. |
| 18:00.44 | Necrosporus | Where? |
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| 18:01.15 | greycat | Do you have the bot on ignore or something? |
| 18:01.21 | Necrosporus | greycat, I do not want to go to oftc.net |
| 18:01.25 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 18:01.26 | Necrosporus | if it's what you mean |
| 18:01.37 | Necrosporus | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.38 | greycat | And I don't want to talk to you. We both get our wish. |
| 18:01.39 | Necrosporus | also this |
| 18:02.03 | BluesKaj | beware of the gui installer on debian-jessie 8.7.1. It doesn't play well with some gpus, however the the olds standard text installer still works well if needed. |
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| 18:12.33 | moonpunter | So if I login via my regular login screen, on first boot, a lot of stuff is messed up -- no ability to minimize/close windows, and things like that. But then if I go to another TTY, login and startx, it works fine. This is obviously a fine workaround for now, but if anyone has an idea on where I should look for the problem, I'd appreciate it. |
| 18:13.11 | moonpunter | Sorry just woke up. By "on first boot" I mean after a reboot. |
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| 18:18.03 | mtn | moonpunter: which version of debian? |
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| 18:22.58 | moonpunter | stretch |
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| 18:24.00 | mtn | moonpunter: you should ask on #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
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| 18:28.02 | SerajewelKS | is there documentation on how linux-igd decides what port to allocate for a upnp mapping request? |
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| 18:28.20 | SerajewelKS | or some way to configure the range of ports it can choose from? sometimes it chooses a port that some process on the router itself is listening to. |
| 18:31.48 | soyeomul | i heard munich fail to try linux from zdnet. is that true? is there munich people? |
| 18:32.07 | SerajewelKS | soyeomul: what does this have to do with debian support? |
| 18:33.06 | soyeomul | am i wrong? i just curios news for munich linux story |
| 18:33.24 | dontknow | soyeomul, i read it in multiple places |
| 18:33.32 | SerajewelKS | soyeomul: this has nothing to do with debian |
| 18:33.44 | soyeomul | hmm... |
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| 18:33.53 | SerajewelKS | soyeomul: this is a channel for debian support. this has nothing to do with support nor debian. |
| 18:34.06 | dontknow | soyeomul, i think they have corrupt minister or something |
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| 18:35.05 | soyeomul | ok. i go home. thanks. |
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| 19:46.57 | str_ | SerajewelKS, you there? |
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| 19:47.59 | str_ | Now I got Ping A->B and Ping B->A (only 192.168.0.100) deeper does not work. maybe I need more done on jessiebox(192.168.0.100) |
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| 19:48.45 | somiaj | you can ping but other traffic isn't working? Do you have any firewall. ping is an icpm packaet, while others may be tcp or udf which may have different rules on your firewall |
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| 19:52.43 | awal1 | this xterm sh*** won't work properly. I have in my .Xdefaults and .Xresources this 2 lines: xterm*ScrollBar: true xterm*rightScrollBar: true but nothing happens when I click in the bar, it only works very rarely afterm I (un)maximize |
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| 19:52.59 | str_ | somiaj, I got INETA->RouterA->NetworkA->JESSIDEBIAN(192.168.0.100,192.168.2.100)<-NetworkB-<RouterB<-INETB , and I want to administer pc's from A or from B |
| 19:53.33 | str_ | For now I can Ping from A->B every machine, but from B->A only the 2nd Nic on the JESSIBOX |
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| 19:54.11 | somiaj | str_: that is a bit beyond my experience, could be how the router is transfering traffic between the two and what the netmasks are. Unsure if ##networking could give better support. I know I can't give much more than just the basics and how to configure things in Debian |
| 19:54.41 | str_ | I got the static routes set on the RoutersAB and the static NiCs in JESSIBOX |
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| 19:55.06 | str_ | somiaj, ok no problem I will go to networking now..:-) at least I got a lead |
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| 20:06.54 | awal1 | which package provides urxvt |
| 20:07.19 | awal1 | dpkg -S shows urxvt-unicode: /usr/bin/urxvt |
| 20:07.19 | dpkg | Package: shows urxvt-unicode: /usr/bin/urxvt: Status: install ok installed |
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| 20:08.05 | awal1 | apt-get don't find urxvt or urxvt-unicode pkgs |
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| 20:09.04 | greycat | the package name is rxvt-unicode |
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| 20:10.38 | awal1 | greycat, ok, thanks. solved :) |
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| 20:11.58 | teraflops | awal1: checking terminal emulators? ;) |
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| 20:13.04 | awal1 | teraflops, yeah. xterm really misses a lot of features |
| 20:13.21 | teraflops | hmm, I think so |
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| 20:14.33 | greycat | HP-UX: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 139289 Jul 13 2006 /usr/local/bin/rxvt-2.7.10 |
| 20:14.39 | greycat | Debian: -rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 1390592 Jun 10 2016 /usr/bin/urxvt |
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| 20:14.57 | teraflops | awal1: anyway *rxvt not honoring fontconfig and doing dirty hacks for fixing space between chars is not that great imo |
| 20:15.27 | greycat | Ten times as big, and it still can't even change font size with Shift-+ |
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| 20:16.14 | awal1 | teraflops, right, but a bit better than xterm |
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| 20:16.27 | awal1 | urxvt-unicode = 11 mb |
| 20:16.45 | awal1 | too much for a stupid term |
| 20:16.49 | teraflops | awal1: st is fine too, and does font fallback properly |
| 20:17.29 | awal1 | well, going to purge them all |
| 20:17.35 | greycat | rxvt-unicode has a program size of 1.3 MB and an installed-size of 3275 from dpkg -s, in stretch/amd64. Where are you getting 11 MB? |
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| 20:18.47 | awal1 | fonts-vlgothic |
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| 20:18.53 | awal1 | recommended I guess |
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| 20:20.13 | awal1 | I already have fonts-dejavu, but it installed vlgothic anyway |
| 20:20.30 | awal1 | i forgot --no-recommends |
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| 20:22.23 | teraflops | greycat: st binary is 67K |
| 20:22.43 | teraflops | after stripping it |
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| 20:23.07 | awal1 | so I think I'm fine with terminator & lxterminal |
| 20:23.42 | greycat | what pacakge is "st" in? |
| 20:24.04 | teraflops | git clone, edit congif.h and make is what I do |
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| 20:27.52 | teraflops | greycat: well and patching some stuff |
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| 20:29.08 | adriano44 | Hi anyone know KVM/QEMU ? |
| 20:29.09 | nummyfx | thoughts on fav way to do a complete backup of a debian 8 box? (no lvms) |
| 20:29.16 | adriano44 | in the uttilisation |
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| 20:30.17 | n4dir | roxterm was a hip terminal-emulator ages ago. I can't say that i see a big difference between the usual emulators though. |
| 20:30.30 | ompaul | adriano44: what is your exact question please |
| 20:31.43 | n4dir | nummyfx: i for one use rsync. But like any other question, the opinions may differ ... |
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| 20:32.39 | teraflops | n4dir: if you dont like vte, not many alternatives left |
| 20:32.44 | nummyfx | n4dir: is there a complete HDD image backup/restore solution (free/open source)? |
| 20:32.47 | adriano44 | @ompaul I want to make my bridge but I'm afraid to break everything indeed if no more access server |
| 20:33.15 | nummyfx | I imagine if my HDD crashes, a simple image restore won't work since the kernel will see a different HDD |
| 20:33.26 | n4dir | have not thought about wether i like vte or not yet (nor about what exactly it is ...) |
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| 20:33.51 | n4dir | nummyfx: i think partimage (or similar) ? |
| 20:34.10 | n4dir | as i use rsync i don't know about other solutions. wait for other answers |
| 20:34.29 | josecapurro | nummyfx: Clonezilla? |
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| 20:36.10 | awal1 | teraflops, well vte vs what ? |
| 20:36.49 | teraflops | awal1: I dislike vte, that's all |
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| 20:37.41 | awal1 | teraflops, as n4dir said, me too "have not thought about wether i like vte or not yet (nor about what exactly it is ...)" |
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| 20:37.48 | awal1 | teach us a bit so :P |
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| 20:38.08 | n4dir | better not. If i decide to not like vte too, i am in trouble ... |
| 20:39.05 | awal1 | lol |
| 20:39.28 | n4dir | :-) |
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| 20:40.27 | teraflops | awal1: well, if the vte version included in stretch has the annoying glib2 bug that messes chars alignment you'll notice why |
| 20:40.44 | adriano44 | Anyone Know how to do a bridge for KVM ? |
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| 20:41.40 | awal1 | teraflops, ok, I'll learn about vte |
| 20:42.04 | awal1 | adriano44, check debian wiki; you have a tutorial there |
| 20:42.27 | adriano44 | @awal1 can i PM you for question ? |
| 20:42.35 | n4dir | which terminal do you use, teraflops? |
| 20:42.41 | awal1 | adriano44, better ask in room |
| 20:42.51 | awal1 | I dont use bridge |
| 20:43.08 | adriano44 | Hum okay |
| 20:43.19 | awal1 | https://wiki.debian.org/KVM#Setting_up_bridge_networking |
| 20:43.40 | awal1 | I dont know if it is up-to-date |
| 20:44.07 | awal1 | KVM (last edited 2016-08-16 01:42:51 by ?dbp) |
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| 20:45.49 | n4dir | ain't there a kvm irc channel ? |
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| 20:48.27 | jhutchins_wk | ,v kvm |
| 20:48.28 | judd | Package: kvm on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u12; wheezy-security: 1:1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u19 |
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| 20:48.55 | teraflops | n4dir: st |
| 20:49.14 | n4dir | ah, thanks, never heard of it |
| 20:49.25 | teraflops | suckless |
| 20:49.37 | n4dir | oha. Now we talk |
| 20:49.43 | jhutchins_wk | nummyfx: Yes, there are a number of possibilities for imaging a HD and restoring a usable image. |
| 20:50.02 | adriano44 | This is my actual configuration http://prntscr.com/e8ckdo and in the tutorial they sayed : http://prntscr.com/e8clg5 |
| 20:50.05 | jhutchins_wk | The clonezilla DVD distribution has partclone, or you can just use dd. |
| 20:50.13 | adriano44 | How can i do ? |
| 20:50.13 | doubledutch | Respectfully requesting an invite to #debian-next on irc.freenode |
| 20:50.21 | nummyfx | thanks for all the suggestions everyone |
| 20:50.37 | Bliepo | personally I like gddrescue |
| 20:51.18 | jhutchins_wk | nummyfx: If you create a USB installer, you're writing an image file to the drive. |
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| 20:55.35 | nummyfx_ | jhutchins_wk: that seems like the easiest ... but what if the HD you are writing to is different (and perhaps a different size)? because the old one crashed. will the kernel have any problems with that? |
| 20:57.05 | jhutchins_wk | nummyfx_: The kernel doesn't care. The drive has to be as big or bigger than the original. |
| 20:57.22 | jhutchins_wk | nummyfx_: You can do the whole drive as an image, but it might be easier to manage a per-partition image. |
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| 20:57.52 | n4dir | if you are using rsync and you restore to a new hd, you have to a) edit fstab b) delete /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and c) reinstall the bootloader. I think that's it |
| 20:57.59 | jhutchins_wk | Clonezilla is nice, you boot to the DVD and you don't have to worry about live files. It will do device to device or device to network. |
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| 20:58.31 | jhutchins_wk | nummyfx: It doesn't care what's on the disk, I've transferred Windows from one disk to another. |
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| 20:59.12 | jhutchins_wk | However, the components are all available in Debian too. |
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| 20:59.42 | jhutchins_wk | nummyfx_: clonezilla is (text) menu driven though, so you don't have to know options and syntax. |
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| 21:12.46 | rocket__ | hi |
| 21:13.01 | rocket__ | whats the best way for folder encryption on debian? |
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| 21:13.33 | Bliepo | rot12 |
| 21:13.49 | rocket__ | join ubuntu Bliepo |
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| 21:14.06 | Bliepo | Sorry, couldn't resist |
| 21:14.53 | Bliepo | rocket__: you need to encrypt a folder? Is something like Veracrypt an option? |
| 21:14.54 | rocket__ | so ecryptfs is ok? well i would like use something with keybpairs |
| 21:15.06 | rocket__ | i want to use some shell tool |
| 21:15.18 | Bliepo | In that case I'd say ecryptfs |
| 21:15.33 | rocket__ | is there any other to mention? |
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| 21:16.28 | rocket__ | ecryptfs is the standard i guess |
| 21:16.55 | Bliepo | Not that I know of, but ecryptfs would seem like the best choice since with it's large userbase, bugs will be detected quicker |
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| 21:18.26 | rocket__ | ok |
| 21:19.37 | adriano44 | This is my actual configuration http://prntscr.com/e8ckdo and in the tutorial they sayed : http://prntscr.com/e8clg5 fow can i adapt my /etc/network/interface ? |
| 21:20.23 | somiaj | adriano44: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:20.53 | somiaj | oh setup a bridge to have multiple vntes bridge over etho? |
| 21:20.58 | somiaj | sorry virtual interfaces |
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| 21:21.11 | adriano44 | @somiaj yep ! |
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| 21:21.28 | somiaj | adriano44: https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Configuring_bridging_in_.2Fetc.2Fnetwork.2Finterfaces |
| 21:21.30 | syp | yo guys |
| 21:21.42 | syp | so i want to learn to code, where's a good place to start? |
| 21:22.03 | greycat | What language? |
| 21:22.10 | syp | C |
| 21:22.14 | adriano44 | @somiaj are u french ? ^^ |
| 21:22.27 | somiaj | adriano44: no, but that page might have a french translation |
| 21:22.37 | greycat | Well, there's the ##c channel but I don't know how suited that is to absolute beginners. |
| 21:22.46 | greycat | I would buy the K&R book. (I have it.) |
| 21:22.51 | syp | ANSI C ? |
| 21:22.59 | somiaj | they may have suggestions of books or webpages that may be a good start though |
| 21:23.06 | greycat | Granted, mine is from back when "ANSI C" was actually new. |
| 21:23.21 | Bliepo | I actually like the C++ tutorial at learncpp.com |
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| 21:23.55 | syp | yeah, back in 2003 or sometime, i brought TCP/IP illustrated and ANSI C |
| 21:24.01 | teclo- | if you want to learn programming, better learn Pascal |
| 21:24.04 | adriano44 | @somiaj Yeah but unlike the tutorial I have a fixed ip |
| 21:24.08 | greycat | Pascal? Dear god, no. |
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| 21:24.48 | jhutchins_wk | Lisp |
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| 21:24.53 | greycat | C might be a rough first language, but at least it's *usable*. |
| 21:24.55 | teraflops | ada |
| 21:25.07 | teclo- | well Pascal is the ideal language for teaching programming, and it was actullay designed by Niklaus Wirth as a language for teaching |
| 21:25.08 | somiaj | adriano44: the link I gave uses a static ip as the example |
| 21:25.21 | somiaj | adriano44: look at the second example |
| 21:25.25 | teclo- | greycat: of course, Pascal isn't widely used in programming in general |
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| 21:26.11 | somiaj | I like to suggest scripting languages as a good place to start, I find them easier to work with such as python, perl, ruby, or whatever the rave is (though I stay away from java/php for this) |
| 21:26.13 | teclo- | Lisp ? No, but perhaps after an imperative language, learning a functional language would be interesting, like Haskell |
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| 21:26.28 | somiaj | but it depends on the goal, if the goal is to learn C, starting with C is just fine |
| 21:26.33 | greycat | In any case, it can't hurt to ask ##c for beginner book recommendations. |
| 21:26.33 | syp | thxs :) |
| 21:26.59 | teclo- | greycat: indeed, people from ##c probably will point to useful resources |
| 21:27.01 | syp | freenode feels like the only alive irc server |
| 21:27.07 | syp | i'm from the late 90s when efnet was huge |
| 21:27.22 | syp | then i went on a break, came back and everything is dead |
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| 21:28.15 | Diogenes_ | Good evening. |
| 21:28.57 | somiaj | syp: depends on the channel and what you are looking for. offical debian irc network is irc.oftc.net |
| 21:29.03 | jhutchins_wk | syp: ircnet and undernet are pretty busy, oftc.net's big. |
| 21:29.23 | syp | ahh nice |
| 21:29.24 | somiaj | syp: but freenode seems to be going strong, freenode had troubles, but it got its act backtogethre |
| 21:29.42 | Diogenes_ | I'm having my internet connection fall every now and then, and then a prompt appears asking me to connect to my default Wi-fi network again. |
| 21:29.51 | adriano44 | @somiaj i have only one WAN interface :/ |
| 21:29.59 | greycat | Hate to speak ill of the man, but lilo's death probably helped freenode immensely. |
| 21:30.11 | Diogenes_ | When I type "sudo service NetworkManager status" I get the following result: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/8af502e5/ |
| 21:30.27 | somiaj | adriano44: then adjust, you don't need both. That is what I used to setup my bridge. So only bridge eth0 not both |
| 21:31.14 | adriano44 | @somiaj can we go in PM ? |
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| 21:31.44 | somiaj | adriano44: keep it in the chanel, others may be able to also help. |
| 21:32.10 | jhutchins_wk | Diogenes_: It's trying to restart automatically. |
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| 21:32.43 | jhutchins_wk | Diogenes_: You could check your signal strength, but sometimes that just happens with some chipsets. |
| 21:32.53 | adriano44 | @somiaj my question is where i put my phisycal ip : in br0 or in eth0 |
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| 21:32.57 | jhutchins_wk | Diogenes_: You might find something interesting in dmesg. |
| 21:33.08 | Diogenes_ | dmesg? |
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| 21:34.09 | somiaj | adriano44: in the bridge, as per the example. eth0 should just be set to manual, and the bridge will configure it |
| 21:34.35 | somiaj | adriano44: look at the second example, just remove the info about eth1 |
| 21:34.37 | sauna | Hi, I am teaching assistant and I need to check vdi/qcow files, that they are 20G big and have 1 swap and 1 root partition. However I would like to automize this task (90+ files). How would I achieve this with maybe a python script ? |
| 21:34.44 | Diogenes_ | Oh I see... |
| 21:34.49 | jhutchins_wk | Diogenes_: dmesg dumps the kernel log, you may want to pipe it through tail or less, but the most recent events are at the bottom. |
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| 21:35.31 | jhutchins_wk | Diogenes_: On the current version the -T option will give human-readable times. |
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| 21:37.39 | sauna | the thing is I don't want to give root privileges to vdi/qcow files |
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| 21:42.11 | adriano44 | @somiaj can i PM you my test configuration ? |
| 21:42.27 | Vizva | sauna whats about to create a vm |
| 21:42.49 | somiaj | adriano44: you can paste it here and others will look, but I can't test it, I can only see things that may not be correct. You can test it (: |
| 21:42.54 | somiaj | adriano44: I will too. |
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| 21:43.24 | sauna | create 90+ vm-s ? That is very long ... and unneccessary. I could use nbd(from qemu-utils), but they require root privileges ... |
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| 21:44.49 | Vizva | or create a copy of your system |
| 21:45.12 | Vizva | and then give root privilege |
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| 21:45.28 | rocket__ | is fail2ban the best way to protect password logins? |
| 21:45.30 | Vizva | but all other system should be invisible |
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| 21:45.37 | Vizva | encrypted |
| 21:45.52 | adriano44 | this is correect ? http://prntscr.com/e8ddka |
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| 21:46.46 | adriano44 | @somiaj ? |
| 21:46.54 | rocket__ | do you recommend fail to ban? |
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| 21:47.25 | jhutchins_wk | rocket__: I prefer to use port obfuscation and iptables throttling. |
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| 21:47.43 | jhutchins_wk | rocket__: People frequently lock themselves out with fail2ban. |
| 21:47.48 | hha | hello. im facing little problems while installing debian on a vostro 14 5000. may someone help? xD |
| 21:47.53 | somiaj | adriano44: http://paste.debian.net/914260/ |
| 21:48.02 | sauna | vizva, I was thinking about something like this actually: http://libguestfs.org/guestfs-python.3.html |
| 21:48.14 | somiaj | adriano44: that is the example with eth1 taken out of it, the part you seem to be missing is the bridge_ports eth0 specification |
| 21:48.23 | jhutchins_wk | hha: We would have to know what the specific problem is before we would know if we can help. |
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| 21:48.56 | adriano44 | @somiaj ok can i take this configuration and change the IP ? |
| 21:49.23 | somiaj | shoudl be able to, might need to add ipv6 stuff and your post/pre up scripts if needed |
| 21:49.23 | rocket__ | jhutchins_wk, ok thanks, but well if they do they can contact me |
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| 21:49.56 | rocket__ | its only a small server with some git on it but i want to learn what it means to install debian now that i do it |
| 21:50.29 | jhutchins_wk | rocket__: There's no good reason to run ssh on the default port. |
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| 21:50.41 | hha | jhutchins_wk: sure. i deleted some partitions of MS windows and stuck with an EFI partition (dunno if i could delete). i installed the system correctly but im unable to turn off the boot flag of this partition. then i cannot boot. |
| 21:50.45 | rocket__ | i dont have it on the default port |
| 21:50.57 | rocket__ | but i use public keys for ssh anyway |
| 21:51.01 | hha | jhutchins_wk: and even if i delete it, i cannot set the boot flag on in others partitions |
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| 21:51.04 | rocket__ | so i think that should be secure |
| 21:51.29 | jhutchins_wk | hha: You might want to look into throttling then. |
| 21:51.47 | rocket__ | jhutchins_wk, i have one sftp acount without public key auth |
| 21:51.53 | jhutchins_wk | hha: If you're really paranoid you lock it down to source IPs. |
| 21:52.11 | rocket__ | but its chrooted |
| 21:52.18 | rocket__ | and has no shell |
| 21:52.51 | jhutchins_wk | rocket__: Look at the sshd documentation for restricting shell logins, you can get around not having a shell. |
| 21:53.25 | adriano44 | @somiaj like this ? |
| 21:53.28 | rocket__ | ok there is only one with shell but its public key and password |
| 21:53.32 | rocket__ | so not that easy to hack |
| 21:53.33 | rocket__ | i guess |
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| 21:54.06 | somiaj | adriano44: I have to leave, and I don't see your last link. |
| 21:54.10 | adriano44 | @ somiaj http://prntscr.com/e8di1d |
| 21:54.18 | hha | jhutchins_wk: don`t got it. deleting them? |
| 21:54.24 | adriano44 | @somiaj just 10 second :P |
| 21:54.42 | rocket__ | jhutchins_wk, what do u use for folder encryption - i dont have anything to encrypt right now but i was asking myself what people use to do it |
| 21:55.00 | rocket__ | encryptfs? |
| 21:55.13 | somiaj | adriano44: looks okay. I'm unsure on the ipv6 stuff as I don't use it. I'm unsure if you want to put the ipv6 stuff on the bridge as well. You may need iface br0 inet6 static, followed by a bridge_ports eth0, followed by all that confiiguration |
| 21:55.15 | jhutchins_wk | hha: No, there's a specific way to disable shell access. We used to set nologin as a shell, but the new method is much more secure (and it's been three years since I implemented it, which is why I'm referring you to docs.). |
| 21:55.22 | somiaj | adriano44: since I don't use ipv6 on my bridge I can't say for sure. |
| 21:55.29 | somiaj | adriano44: others may be able to help, but I must go |
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| 21:55.45 | adriano44 | @somiaj okay , realy thanks bye |
| 21:56.05 | rocket__ | jhutchins_wk, ssh on a different port with public key and passwords should be fine right? |
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| 21:56.33 | hha | jhutchins_wk: sure you are talking to the right guy? |
| 21:56.49 | jhutchins_wk | rocket__: Everything is a matter of degrees. Anything can be hacked given sufficient resources and motivation. You're more secure than I am with two-factor authentication. |
| 21:57.04 | jhutchins_wk | hha: Yeah, using your nic for rocket__ |
| 21:57.22 | jhutchins_wk | rocket__: I do not have a need for folder encryption. |
| 21:57.32 | bleb | I switched back to legacy BIOS booting after trying UEFI, and now it seems I can't boot at all. It's a fresh debian install, but when I power on I get a BIOS menu that displays my hard drive and if I hit enter, the screen refreshes but doesn't change |
| 21:57.56 | jhutchins_wk | is leaving |
| 21:57.59 | rocket__ | jhutchins_wk, yeah me neither really but well for private data just in case you get hacked - you never know but well |
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| 21:58.48 | rocket__ | jhutchins, well 2factor yeah, sure you can hack it all - but who will do for this server, there is nothing really on it i just want to keep default away |
| 21:59.09 | rocket__ | but im also not running a webserver, i think most ppl hack over that one and not over ssh |
| 21:59.17 | bleb | I booted into rescue mode on my installation media, but when I try to run a shell on my debian partition it doesn't do anytihng, doesn't display any error message. And when I try to reinstall GRUB I get "Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed. This is a fatal error." |
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| 21:59.31 | bleb | Any suggestions for what to try? I am afraid I have bricked my laptop |
| 21:59.36 | rocket__ | my guys check their codes now on some cloud server and i want them to check in here |
| 21:59.46 | rocket__ | *in at |
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| 22:00.12 | rocket__ | but i really like debian its great |
| 22:00.26 | hha | bleb: hi. im facing like same problem here |
| 22:00.38 | hha | bleb: deleted some partitions but not the efi partition |
| 22:00.43 | bleb | yeah? |
| 22:01.04 | hha | bleb: installade debian but cannot boot into cause the efi partition will not me allow to disable the boot flag lol |
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| 22:01.46 | bleb | I wonder if it would help to do a secure erase of the free space at the beginning of the drive |
| 22:02.18 | bleb | don't know how you'd do that though, the only shell I can get is busybox running on my installation media |
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| 22:03.35 | tw | If the drive doesn't have anything you want to keep and you just want to reinstall, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=4k count=512 will blow away the partition table and convince the installer to let you install over it. |
| 22:04.01 | tw | assuming your first hdd is /dev/sda |
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| 22:04.24 | hha | thinking about it |
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| 22:05.35 | Meerkat | what's a good distro to test new package versions on a VM with? |
| 22:05.57 | Meerkat | I tried to compile the latest seahorse on jessie but the compilation failed. |
| 22:06.46 | bleb | tw: did that but grub-install /dev/sda still fails |
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| 22:06.58 | bleb | perhaps I need to reboot? I dunno |
| 22:07.29 | hha | bleb: ia mounted? |
| 22:07.32 | tw | You literally have to reinstall after that, grub-install is not enough. |
| 22:07.32 | hha | is* |
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| 22:08.47 | bleb | oh I don't know if it was. gonna try reinstalling as tw suggested |
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| 22:20.18 | raynold | ahh it's a good day |
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| 22:26.24 | bleb | tw: yeah that worked, thanks a bunch! out of curiosity, where do the bs=4k and count=512 args comes from for that dd command? |
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| 22:40.31 | olivetree_ | Hi guys, i have a question |
| 22:40.32 | olivetree_ | : |
| 22:40.46 | olivetree_ | i have a avermedia tv card usb |
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| 22:41.11 | olivetree_ | i have drivers for linux but they are quite old, it worked on debian 7 |
| 22:41.24 | olivetree_ | now they don't compile on debian 8 |
| 22:41.38 | olivetree_ | Says it can't find dvb_frontend.h |
| 22:42.15 | olivetree_ | i tried to symlink some .h that i thought it would be required to make it work, but still it doesn't |
| 22:42.38 | olivetree_ | Do you by any chance have or know where to get newer drivers? |
| 22:42.53 | olivetree_ | The tv card is a avermedia Hybrid volar H830 |
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| 22:46.10 | tw | bleb: bs= blocksize, count= blocksize * count > 2MB |
| 22:48.51 | dTal | olivetree_: what .h did you symlink |
| 22:49.10 | olivetree_ | frontend-h |
| 22:49.13 | olivetree_ | frontend.h |
| 22:49.28 | olivetree_ | dvb/frontend.h |
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| 22:50.35 | dTal | and when you say "it doesn't work"... ? |
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| 22:51.57 | olivetree_ | no |
| 22:52.41 | olivetree_ | Probably those drivers are outdated, but i can't access the source code |
| 22:52.58 | olivetree_ | To try to tweak things up |
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| 22:53.30 | olivetree_ | it simply unpacks to a tmp dir, and then at the end it erases the files |
| 22:54.03 | abrotman | judd: file dvb_frontend.h |
| 22:54.07 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 22:54.20 | abrotman | olivetree_: is iit possible the drivers are in the tree now? |
| 22:54.24 | dTal | I think dvb/frontend.h is right |
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| 22:54.57 | dTal | but I'm confused about this "no source code" thing if the drivers are being compiled |
| 22:55.08 | olivetree_ | in the tree? |
| 22:55.13 | abrotman | main kernel tree |
| 22:55.31 | dTal | it's unpacking source to a tmp dir? |
| 22:56.03 | dTal | because "it erases the files at the end" isn't exactly an obstacle |
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| 22:56.12 | olivetree_ | There is source code that is unpacked from a exec file, but then at the end it deletes everything |
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| 22:57.30 | dTal | sounds like a fun and not at all hard challenge |
| 22:57.52 | olivetree_ | Can i send the file for you to look? |
| 22:57.57 | dTal | sure |
| 22:59.50 | olivetree_ | Here, it's on dcc |
| 22:59.55 | dTal | although it seems unlikely that what is being unpacked is the entire source code, if you got it from a proprietary source |
| 22:59.58 | dTal | more likely a shim |
| 23:00.07 | dTal | still |
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| 23:00.29 | olivetree_ | dtal |
| 23:00.52 | joker_89 | hi, i have a debian installation in a SD, i have copied all the files to my HD and then copy again to another sd but it doesnt work the SO :/ |
| 23:01.27 | olivetree_ | dTal, i have the file on dcc waiting |
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| 23:02.03 | olivetree_ | lol |
| 23:02.04 | olivetree_ | oki |
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| 23:03.20 | olivetree_ | Sure |
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| 23:04.50 | olivetree_ | accept |
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| 23:07.07 | zuiss1 | hi, is pip install a recommended way of installing things in debian which are not in the repos? the developer's github page says to do that |
| 23:07.37 | AnViar | yes, sure |
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| 23:11.37 | olivetree_ | Want me to sen by mail? |
| 23:12.07 | olivetree_ | it's not on the internet anymore |
| 23:12.14 | olivetree_ | i think |
| 23:12.35 | olivetree_ | At least not on the avermedia site |
| 23:13.11 | dTal | what's wrong with this? http://avermedia.com.tw/Support/Download.aspx?Type=Software&id=525&tab=APDriver |
| 23:13.17 | dTal | apart from being newer :p |
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| 23:13.26 | dTal | http://avermedia.com.tw/Support/DownloadCount.aspx?FDFId=6634 |
| 23:13.55 | dTal | wait that's x86 you probably want x64 http://avermedia.com.tw/Support/DownloadCount.aspx?FDFId=6635 |
| 23:14.30 | olivetree_ | no a x86 is fine, my laptop is 32bit |
| 23:17.22 | dTal | zuiss1: no, definitely not |
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| 23:18.12 | dTal | it'll be a big mess if you start mixing pip and apt |
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| 23:20.15 | dTal | there's a few things that convert pip packages to Debian ones, can't remember names |
| 23:20.18 | teraflops | zuiss1: avoid sudo pip install things |
| 23:21.10 | teraflops | zuiss1: use --user or better use virtualenvs or even better use packages from official repositories |
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| 23:24.50 | dTal | zuiss1: I've had reasonable results with "stdeb" |
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| 23:25.38 | dTal | it doesn't handle dependencies very well (at all?) but it does allow you to "safely" install packages from pip system-wide |
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| 23:27.29 | dTal | then there's "py2deb" which seems good but I've not tried |
| 23:28.06 | dTal | olivetree_: how's that driver working out |
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| 23:30.38 | somiaj | dTal: have you seen the python debian-helper scripts? Also installing stuff in a python virtual enviroment is a safe way to do things without messing with system wide stuff |
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| 23:34.01 | zuiss1 | teraflops, dTal thanks |
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| 23:36.06 | somiaj | zuiss1: dh-python |
| 23:36.13 | somiaj | that is the debian-helper scripts |
| 23:36.35 | zuiss1 | cool |
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| 23:37.07 | somiaj | but I personally suggest pip in a python virtual enviorment, unless you are needing to distribute this to lots of machines |
| 23:37.20 | teraflops | yeah |
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| 23:38.45 | dTal | sometimes it's nice to install things system-wide though |
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| 23:39.06 | dTal | for instance I like to use bpython as a repl for the system python, |
| 23:39.41 | somiaj | I would not use anything as a replacement for the system python, system packages and scripts depend on /usr/bin/python being correct. |
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| 23:42.20 | dTal | somiaj: it does not replace the system python |
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| 23:43.44 | olivetree_ | dtal, i'm trying to debug that source |
| 23:43.45 | olivetree_ | :) |
| 23:45.26 | dTal | so the newer one doesn't work either? |
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