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| 00:01.55 | missmbob | karisatis: oh i think i understand what you want. apt-get install nload && nload |
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| 00:03.44 | MaBunny | guys how do i get the tty system up and running in my new debian install |
| 00:04.00 | MaBunny | it is booting rightly,but i dont hav a tty |
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| 00:08.05 | enthdegree | hi boys |
| 00:08.10 | enthdegree | hi guys how do i |
| 00:08.15 | enthdegree | install rlang |
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| 00:08.20 | enthdegree | oh r-base |
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| 00:08.50 | benlue | can anyone tell me, whats wrong with my USB WIFI? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/9f5b3220/ |
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| 00:09.05 | THEFREAKJOE | hi there |
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| 00:09.25 | THEFREAKJOE | how do i know witch drivers is beeing used on my enviroment ? |
| 00:09.33 | THEFREAKJOE | How ? |
| 00:09.42 | THEFREAKJOE | is it the novau |
| 00:09.44 | benlue | why i get this Error: failed (reason 'ssid-not-found')? |
| 00:09.46 | THEFREAKJOE | or the nvidia |
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| 00:10.03 | THEFREAKJOE | check cables |
| 00:10.06 | missmbob | benlue: it's sid, not ssid. and sid support is in #debian-next on oftc, not here |
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| 00:10.27 | missmbob | THEFREAKJOE: lmsod |
| 00:10.29 | yulax | missmbob: they do mean an ssid |
| 00:10.32 | yulax | eejit |
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| 00:10.56 | yulax | benlue: it means that your wifi adaptor can't find a wifi network by that name ("ssid" |
| 00:11.07 | MaBunny | missmbob: can you help me installing a tty system in my debian? |
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| 00:11.18 | missmbob | MaBunny: no |
| 00:11.37 | MaBunny | why |
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| 00:11.50 | yulax | MaBunny: a tty is just the shell |
| 00:12.03 | yulax | when you start up it is the text login without the mouse or anything |
| 00:12.12 | yulax | and there is no graphical program |
| 00:12.19 | benlue | missmbob, #debian-next haves Channel Mode "Invite only" :/ |
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| 00:12.44 | yulax | benlue: don't listen. the problem is your stupid usb device. not that you need to run debian sid |
| 00:12.47 | yulax | sid is not ssid |
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| 00:13.00 | yulax | sid is a distribution of debian |
| 00:13.07 | yulax | the ssid is the name of a wifi network |
| 00:13.33 | yulax | which your usb device can't find |
| 00:14.20 | MaBunny | at least you can tell how to setup the root password, missmbob |
| 00:14.40 | yulax | MaBunny: look it up yourself rathre than harrassing us |
| 00:15.08 | yulax | e.g. "set up the root password on debian" |
| 00:15.24 | yulax | throws rotten tomatoes at MaBunny |
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| 00:16.06 | MaBunny | where am i harrassing you?? its very rude of you to talk like tht |
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| 00:16.54 | yulax | this is trivial stuff that is well documented elsewhere. you are asking specific users just because they were talking on the channel when you joined it |
| 00:17.20 | benlue | yulax, bud i see the SSID in my WIFI list |
| 00:17.30 | benlue | Freifunk |
| 00:17.37 | yulax | right, |
| 00:17.53 | yulax | are you using network-manager to connect, or the command line? |
| 00:18.07 | benlue | network-manager |
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| 00:18.45 | yulax | ok, does it ask you for password,? |
| 00:18.54 | yulax | it can be silly like that= |
| 00:19.21 | benlue | I click on connect |
| 00:19.32 | yulax | and what happens |
| 00:20.35 | benlue | I get the msg: creating interface -> the connection was deactivated |
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| 00:20.52 | yulax | weird |
| 00:20.55 | benlue | no pass promt |
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| 00:21.19 | benlue | this network is open |
| 00:21.38 | benlue | with WPA2 the same issue |
| 00:21.43 | yulax | maybe it set the wrong network type? |
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| 00:24.19 | benlue | yulax, SSID: (open) "Freifunk" Mode: Infrastructure Restrict to device: (40:4A:03:01:C7:2D) |
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| 00:29.08 | benlue | lsusb: Bus 001 Device 010: ID 0586:341a ZyXEL Communications Corp. NWD-270N Wireless N-lite USB Adapter |
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| 00:35.31 | Merovoth | I installed Jessie but can only get 800x600 4:3 on an "Unknown Display". Anyone else have this problem? |
| 00:35.48 | Hello71 | install graphics driver |
| 00:36.02 | Merovoth | Really? |
| 00:36.10 | Hello71 | not proprietary, xorg |
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| 00:36.40 | nano_python | Merixer, amd or nvidia? |
| 00:36.53 | Merovoth | You mean, like: "apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree xserver-xorg-video-radeon" ? |
| 00:37.03 | Hello71 | more or less |
| 00:37.10 | Merovoth | Didn't work. |
| 00:37.12 | Hello71 | assuming you actually have a card supported by radeon |
| 00:37.15 | Hello71 | did you reboot |
| 00:37.23 | Merovoth | I also did: "apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree xserver-xorg-video-ati" ? |
| 00:37.26 | nano_python | https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 00:37.29 | Merovoth | Yep |
| 00:37.36 | Merovoth | This is a mystery. |
| 00:37.44 | Merovoth | Does using a touch screen matter? |
| 00:38.01 | Hello71 | lspci |
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| 00:38.58 | Merovoth | I'm not on that box, right now. It's barely configured. |
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| 00:40.40 | Merovoth | This page didn't help, in case you find it. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/04/msg01818.html |
| 00:41.34 | Merovoth | I should be able to get 1920x1080, but the only option is 800x600 |
| 00:41.44 | Merovoth | Nothing in between, either. |
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| 00:42.21 | missmbob | Merovoth: we cant help you without you on that box |
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| 00:42.38 | Merovoth | You need the lspci? |
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| 00:43.11 | Merovoth | Shit. |
| 00:44.12 | Merovoth | Nothing like a driver/firmware problem on Linux to make one's ass feel like going postal....... |
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| 00:45.27 | missmbob | Merovoth: lspci -nn to be more specific |
| 00:45.38 | missmbob | and kernel version, etc. many things |
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| 00:47.16 | winsen | Hi all |
| 00:47.24 | Merovoth | I'm installing an irc client on it. Let's see how much doo-doo there is... |
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| 00:48.00 | winsen | does anyone know how to reinstall grub2 in place? |
| 00:48.15 | benlue | Activation: (wifi) association took too long, failing activation :/ |
| 00:48.16 | winsen | Merovoth: hi |
| 00:48.24 | Merovoth | Yes, but, what do you mean "in place"? |
| 00:48.37 | Merovoth | hey, winsen |
| 00:48.52 | winsen | Merovoth: how are you man? |
| 00:49.08 | winsen | long time since I've talked to you |
| 00:49.08 | Merovoth | Good, dude. Do you need to just reinstall Grub, period? |
| 00:49.17 | Merovoth | Probably, never. |
| 00:49.28 | winsen | Merovoth: yes please |
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| 00:49.52 | Merovoth | You need to go into recovery mode using installation disc 1 |
| 00:50.02 | Merovoth | hold on... |
| 00:50.08 | winsen | Merovoth: I wanted to change grub boot order, but it doesn't work, I don't know why |
| 00:50.30 | Merovoth | You just want to change the order of the options? |
| 00:51.01 | winsen | Merovoth: both reinstall and changer grub boot order |
| 00:51.15 | Merovoth | Ok. Does grub work at all, at this point? |
| 00:51.44 | _sfiguser | hello all, in a makefile what's the difference between VARIABLE = value and VARIABLE ?= value ?? |
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| 00:52.40 | winsen | Merovoth: as you can see here , windoz is on 3rd place: https://paste.debian.net/897887/ |
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| 00:53.56 | Merovoth | It looks like it's #1, not #3 |
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| 00:54.25 | winsen | Merovoth: I changed it to "2" but it doesnt work: https://paste.debian.net/897888/ |
| 00:54.57 | Merovoth | What's the problem? It doesn't load or grub doesn't run at all? |
| 00:55.29 | winsen | Merovoth: no, if fact when it boots with one section debian repair |
| 00:56.16 | Merovoth | Maybe, you need to regnerate your grub.cfg file. |
| 00:56.22 | winsen | Merovoth: it boots with one section debian repair, I recently reinstalled windoz and grub2 but I still have problem with it |
| 00:56.52 | Merovoth | Do you know how to try regenerating your grub.cfg? |
| 00:57.01 | winsen | Merovoth: no I don't |
| 00:57.13 | Merovoth | go into /boo/grub/ |
| 00:57.16 | Merovoth | go into /boot/grub/ |
| 00:57.34 | Merovoth | cp -p grub.cfg grub.cfg_old |
| 00:57.37 | winsen | Merovoth: how can I do it? do you think this will fix definitely the issue? |
| 00:57.42 | yulax | that's like when i wrote /bun/bach |
| 00:57.54 | yulax | what is in bun/bach i ask you? |
| 00:58.20 | yulax | images of pattiseries made by classical music enthusiasts. |
| 00:58.24 | Merovoth | grub-mkconfig --output=grubtmp.txt |
| 00:58.27 | winsen | Merovoth: you mean on terminal |
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| 00:59.00 | Merovoth | cp -p grubtmp.txt grub.cfg |
| 00:59.05 | Merovoth | That's all. |
| 00:59.33 | Merovoth | That will reprobe your system for everything you have and create a new menu with the right pointers. |
| 00:59.44 | winsen | Merovoth:can you please pasbin, I can't follow you. |
| 01:00.10 | Merovoth | I don't have any accounts at those kinds of site...I know, I need to learn them. |
| 01:00.29 | winsen | Merovoth: you don' need any account |
| 01:00.36 | Merovoth | Give me a url |
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| 01:00.52 | winsen | Merovoth: https://paste.debian.net/ |
| 01:00.58 | Merovoth | ok, hold on... |
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| 01:01.26 | winsen | are you sure this will work? |
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| 01:03.03 | winsen | Merovoth: do you think if reinstall the grub this won't work? |
| 01:03.22 | Merovoth | https://paste.debian.net/897889/ |
| 01:03.39 | Merovoth | No, it won't lock up your system. |
| 01:03.57 | yulax | Merovoth: if it doesn't work you can just boot into live system and reinstall grub. but it will probably work |
| 01:03.59 | Merovoth | Go in under admin mode, and execute those commands from there. Then, reboot. |
| 01:04.27 | Merovoth | yulax: I've done it more than once. It's a lifesaver. |
| 01:04.40 | Merovoth | I jotted down the notes |
| 01:05.07 | winsen | Merovoth: and this will put windoz on first boot? |
| 01:05.09 | Merovoth | Then, if you somehow lose grub: Go into recovery of your installation disc and reinstall grub from there. |
| 01:05.25 | Merovoth | No, it will just make sure all of your OS's are listed. |
| 01:05.34 | yulax | Merovoth: i actually meant to address that to winsen to reassure them |
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| 01:05.40 | Merovoth | If you want them in a different order, you can probably just move each line. |
| 01:05.47 | Merovoth | NP |
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| 01:06.18 | Merovoth | Do you want more detail on reinstalling Grub? |
| 01:06.31 | winsen | yulax: that's what I said, how to reisnatll it in place |
| 01:06.46 | winsen | yulax: maybe the best way to be sure |
| 01:06.56 | yulax | no, other ways usually work |
| 01:07.09 | winsen | yulax: ok brb |
| 01:07.18 | yulax | aww |
| 01:07.23 | yulax | they left |
| 01:07.25 | yulax | lbuffer 3 |
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| 01:11.02 | benlue | is https://wikidevi.com/wiki/ZyXEL_NWD-270N working with debian stretch? |
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| 01:12.46 | Merovoth | I finally got my client installed on the other box. Now, i'm rebooting to play it safe. |
| 01:14.08 | odla | can someone help me modify the systemd script that is here to work on debian: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1492432#p1492432 |
| 01:14.14 | Merovoth | It's a pain in the ass looking at everything oversized... |
| 01:14.56 | odla | the autostart mute-IEC958.desktop file works for me but I'd like to make systemd run the /usr/bin/mute-IEC958 script |
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| 01:18.42 | winsen | hi all |
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| 01:19.27 | Merovoth | How did it work out? |
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| 01:19.54 | winsen | Merovoth: unfortunately it doesn't work |
| 01:20.19 | Merovoth | Do you want Windoze at the top or just the default? |
| 01:21.06 | winsen | Merovoth: I think no choice, I need to reinstall the grub, how can I do it? |
| 01:21.20 | winsen | Merovoth: I mean in place |
| 01:21.28 | Merovoth | Does grub start up with your computer? |
| 01:21.38 | winsen | Merovoth: yes I want windoz in the top |
| 01:22.12 | winsen | Merovoth: yes it does, it seems nothing changed |
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| 01:23.54 | winsen | Merovoth: I did the command lines, I updated before re-boobing |
| 01:24.04 | winsen | Merovoth: are you still there? |
| 01:24.14 | Merovoth | Sorry, but I don't get what you're saying. |
| 01:24.29 | winsen | tell me what you didn't get |
| 01:25.16 | winsen | Merovoth: I said, I followed all steps you sent to me after that I updated +reboot |
| 01:25.32 | Merovoth | Well, I don't anything else to try. |
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| 01:25.54 | winsen | Merovoth: do you mean, you have no idea? |
| 01:26.01 | Merovoth | none |
| 01:26.12 | nano_python | winsen, You just want windows to boot as the default in grub? |
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| 01:26.35 | winsen | nano_python: right |
| 01:27.48 | winsen | nano_python: I think this is not a problem, i just need to reisnatll it as default, after that I'll change the grub boot order. I think this will work. I already did it. |
| 01:28.13 | nano_python | You can set a default boot in grub |
| 01:28.37 | nano_python | http://askubuntu.com/questions/52963/how-do-i-set-windows-to-boot-as-the-default-in-the-boot-loader |
| 01:28.39 | winsen | nano_python: how can I reinstall the grub2 in place safely ? |
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| 01:29.01 | nano_python | That page shows how to set windows as the default boot |
| 01:29.07 | Merovoth | Crap. My IRC client will be too big for the screen. I'll have to hold off on that idea, till things fit... |
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| 01:30.58 | winsen | nano_python: how can I reinstall the grub2 in place safely ? |
| 01:31.13 | nano_python | Why do you want to reinstall it? |
| 01:31.22 | Merovoth | Do you mean the program or the .cfg file? |
| 01:31.22 | winsen | nano_python: I tried many times to change boot order it doesn't work |
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| 01:31.39 | Resilience | hello to everyone, I am running some java software that tells me this: ./jre/bin/java: 1: ./jre/bin/java: Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting ")") what's going wrong? how can I do? |
| 01:31.51 | nano_python | You don't need to reinstall it, you just need to change the default boot, reinatalling isn't going to do that. |
| 01:31.57 | winsen | Merovoth: I sent you that? didn't you see it? |
| 01:32.22 | Merovoth | I think we're having a communication grap, here. |
| 01:32.26 | Merovoth | gap |
| 01:32.31 | winsen | nano_python: even the default is not working correctly |
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| 01:33.00 | themill | Resilience: pastebinning that file might be a good idea |
| 01:33.17 | winsen | nano_python: so in any case I need to reinstall ,it |
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| 01:34.07 | nano_python | winsen, If you really want to reinatall it: https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall |
| 01:34.18 | Hello71 | Resilience: or better, ask the makers of that software |
| 01:34.34 | Hello71 | !doesntwork |
| 01:34.38 | Hello71 | er |
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| 01:34.42 | nano_python | However, I think you might have just missed something setting the default, I would give it another try before doing a reinstall. |
| 01:34.43 | Resilience | the file it is a java app, is about 75 kB |
| 01:35.02 | Resilience | themill, the file it is a java app, is about 75 kB |
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| 01:36.06 | themill | Resilience: well you've got to give us something to work on... at the very least the command you run and the full output |
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| 01:37.47 | Resilience | themill, the full output is that, the command is ./LOGOComfort, which is a commercial app from siemens, o program logo PLC's |
| 01:38.33 | winsen | nano_python: take a look, as you can see windows is located on line 6 and debian on line 7, it boots with "debian repair I think... which's not normal: https://paste.debian.net/897903/ |
| 01:38.51 | themill | Resilience: sounds like you need to show us the file then... |
| 01:39.22 | themill | Resilience: what does "file LOGOComfort" say? |
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| 01:40.20 | nano_python | If you take the line "Windows 7 (loader) (on /dev/sda1)" |
| 01:40.26 | winsen | nano_python: here you can see, when I changed boot order from "0"to "2" three times it went to 0 even though. https://paste.debian.net/897904/ |
| 01:40.31 | nano_python | sudo vi /etc/default/grub |
| 01:40.42 | Resilience | themill, says this: ./jre/bin/java: 1: ./jre/bin/java: Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting ")") |
| 01:40.50 | nano_python | Change GRUB_DEFAULT= |
| 01:41.02 | themill | Resilience: "file LOGOComfort" will not output that |
| 01:41.07 | winsen | nano_python: I changed "0" by "2" that all. |
| 01:41.19 | winsen | nano_python: yes |
| 01:41.35 | winsen | nano_python: nothing happened |
| 01:41.39 | nano_python | To GRUB_DEFAULT="Windows 7 (loader) (on /dev/sda1)" |
| 01:41.52 | Resilience | themill, I am going to put in pastebin, because as I said before ti weights 75kB, I assume if I paste here it woud be considered as flood :) |
| 01:42.10 | nano_python | Then: sudo update-grub |
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| 01:42.24 | winsen | nano_python: you mean put "Windows 7 (loader) (on /dev/sda1)" instead or number "2"? |
| 01:42.32 | nano_python | winsen, Yes |
| 01:42.45 | nano_python | winsen, That way it can't confuse anything |
| 01:43.45 | winsen | nano_python: are you sure? |
| 01:44.07 | nano_python | This page shows all that and more: http://askubuntu.com/questions/52963/how-do-i-set-windows-to-boot-as-the-default-in-the-boot-loader |
| 01:44.23 | nano_python | Two ways of doing it, this way is more specific |
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| 01:44.31 | Resilience | themill, here you have http://pastebin.com/gjq1mVEy |
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| 01:45.14 | themill | egads... one of them |
| 01:45.36 | winsen | nano_python: what about the next line would I have debian and not safe mode or repair..? |
| 01:45.37 | dvs | winsen, did you read the top of the file? |
| 01:46.03 | winsen | dvs: no, I missed something? |
| 01:46.09 | nano_python | Only edit the GRUB_DEFAULT= line |
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| 01:46.35 | winsen | nano_python: without quotes? |
| 01:46.39 | nano_python | With |
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| 01:46.52 | nano_python | Just like the askubuntu page says. |
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| 01:47.07 | winsen | sure |
| 01:47.46 | winsen | nano_python: hope this will work, otherwise no choice |
| 01:47.55 | winsen | brb |
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| 01:49.22 | themill | Resilience: try « LAX_DEBUG=file ./LOGOComfort » which should dump a log into jx.log which might have some more info |
| 01:49.48 | Resilience | themill, thanks, I am doing right now |
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| 01:53.15 | winsen1 | be back nothing changed |
| 01:53.54 | nano_python | Did you run "sudo update-grub" after changing that line in the file? |
| 01:54.43 | winsen1 | nano_python: no I just apt-get update |
| 01:55.03 | nano_python | what |
| 01:55.17 | winsen1 | apt-get update |
| 01:56.04 | nano_python | You need to run "sudo update-grub" because "sudo apt-get update" doesn't have anything to do with grub |
| 01:56.49 | winsen1 | not update-grub |
| 01:57.02 | nano_python | Yes "sudo update-grub" |
| 01:57.11 | nano_python | Not "sudo apt-get update" |
| 01:57.15 | Resilience | themill, http://pastebin.com/2LXC4bZr |
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| 01:58.21 | winsen1 | I can try now |
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| 01:58.55 | winsen1 | brb |
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| 01:59.39 | themill | Resilience: next thing to do would be to look at the file ./jre/bin/java then. What does « file ./jre/bin/java » say? |
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| 02:00.47 | Resilience | themill, whaty does it say? it is a java.bin, executable, you mean I run it? or waht? |
| 02:01.05 | themill | run that command |
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| 02:02.07 | winsen | nano_python: same |
| 02:03.43 | Resilience | themill, bash: ./jre/bin/java: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error |
| 02:04.04 | themill | That's not the output of « file ./jre/bin/java » |
| 02:04.39 | winsen | someone can tell me what does those lines on top mean? https://paste.debian.net/897903/ |
| 02:05.13 | winsen | *do these |
| 02:05.33 | Resilience | themill, I wrote ./jre/bin/java, what do you mean by running it? hava jar ./jre/bin/java? or what? |
| 02:05.42 | winsen | nano_python: did you notice something on the top? |
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| 02:05.55 | themill | Resilience: I mean: file ./jre/bin/java |
| 02:06.03 | themill | no more, no less |
| 02:06.19 | Resilience | ah file, sorry (did not know he "file" command) |
| 02:06.56 | Resilience | themill, ./jre/bin/java: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, BuildID[sha1]=b82a586842f6da3df8a61093daadf04180e85c16, not stripped |
| 02:07.56 | nano_python | winsen, #grub |
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| 02:08.23 | nano_python | Idk what you have done, but this should be a 5m process at most. Somehow you manged to mess it up somewhere. |
| 02:08.42 | nano_python | I simple don't know how to help you anymore. |
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| 02:08.50 | themill | Resilience: and: dpkg --print-architecture; uname -r; dpkg --print-foreign-architectures |
| 02:09.30 | winsen | nano_python: if [ x"${feature_menuentry_id}" = xy ]; then |
| 02:09.30 | winsen | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.30 | winsen | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.30 | winsen | export menuentry_id_option |
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| 02:09.58 | Resilience | themill, i386 4.8.0-1-686-pae |
| 02:09.59 | nano_python | thanks debhelper for doing us all a favour |
| 02:10.00 | Merovoth | Nice. |
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| 02:10.14 | Merovoth | He was trolling. |
| 02:10.19 | themill | Resilience: there you go then... you've got a 32 bit installation and a 64 bit python interpreter |
| 02:10.31 | themill | err java runtime |
| 02:10.41 | themill | is busy hacking on some python atm hence the crossover |
| 02:11.19 | Resilience | themill, ah,I thought I was running a 64 bit system (I really forgot what I did install years ago...) |
| 02:13.00 | Resilience | themill, is it worthy to migrate to a 64bit architecture? |
| 02:13.41 | jeep | if you have a 64bit cpu it is |
| 02:14.11 | Resilience | jeep, I think it is a 64bit CPU, i is a core i5 (6 ot 7 year old) |
| 02:14.12 | hanambe | Hey everyone. I have a really odd issue - I'm trying to install Debian for the first time, but during the installation, I keep getting an "Install failed" error message. This happens after network is configured and there are no errors regarding mirrors. I am also unable to install with a full CD - same errors. The odd part is that I can install Debian Testing without issues. I've been told that Debian Stable with Backports is |
| 02:14.12 | hanambe | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.22 | hanambe | This is on a thinkpad t460 |
| 02:14.23 | themill | Resilience: if you can't get a 32 bit version from your supplier you have little change |
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| 02:15.07 | Resilience | themill, I have a 32bit version (which has some bug that I am going to ask right now) but i was asking in general, is it worthy? not for this problem, but in general terms |
| 02:15.34 | themill | probably |
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| 02:17.04 | Resilience | themill, ok, I will try in my new computer (a few days/ weeks since now) and I will keep this one until then in 32bit mode |
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| 02:33.14 | TheDrizzle | iCEBERG SiMPSON |
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| 03:23.50 | random_numbers | Does apt-mirror allow one to setup a signed mirror? |
| 03:24.06 | random_numbers | Or at least, how do I verify the authenticity of stuff I redistribute? |
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| 03:52.42 | cbd_ | hey, I am setting up a debian desktop for a friend of mine, I was wondering how to get synaptic package manager to authenticate through sudo instead of su |
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| 03:56.24 | cbd_ | missmbob: restart required? |
| 03:57.10 | missmbob | i dont know. those are things i dont use. synaptic or sudo |
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| 03:57.40 | cbd_ | okay. that is a good start for me though. thanks. |
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| 04:16.48 | Resilience | mmmmm I have debian 32bit, is it crazy to change the sources and to upgrade to a 64 bit system? may t crash? or will it be reliable? |
| 04:17.32 | missmbob | it's very very difficult to pull off. it's not just "changing sources" |
| 04:17.35 | missmbob | !crossgrade |
| 04:17.35 | dpkg | Converting an i386 installation into an amd64 installation in-place is quite difficult. It's much easier to reinstall the system with the new architecture -- ask me about <install debian>. If you've got good backups, plenty of time and are feeling lucky, you can try https://wiki.debian.org/CrossGrading but really... good backups... |
| 04:17.59 | missmbob | there you go. i suggest you don't do it. reinstall if you want |
| 04:18.10 | dvs | feels lucky |
| 04:18.16 | missmbob | i've never felt that lucky |
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| 04:20.09 | Resilience | MissionCritical, I hace two partitions, oe for / and te other for /home, just donloading the amd64 img and reinstall it? |
| 04:20.13 | dvs | !beer missmbob |
| 04:20.13 | dpkg | pours a quart of Spaten Optimator for missmbob |
| 04:20.21 | Resilience | missmbob, , I hace two partitions, oe for / and te other for /home, just donloading the amd64 img and reinstall it? |
| 04:24.01 | missmbob | Resilience: yes |
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| 04:25.19 | dvs | Resilience, just don't reformat your /home partition |
| 04:25.39 | Resilience | dvs, of course not :) |
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| 04:26.39 | Resilience | I am used to use (mm is it correcto saying it so) testing, I use to install stable minimal, then upgrade to testing and then install the rest of it, with amd64 is this right too? |
| 04:26.53 | missmbob | yes |
| 04:27.59 | Resilience | fine |
| 04:28.20 | Resilience | is it said so? I am used to use? |
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| 04:28.51 | missmbob | yes. same way. stable first then upgrade to testing. |
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| 04:30.46 | Resilience | missmbob, yes yes, I was meaning now my expresion (not English native sepaker= I am used to use it... mmmm |
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| 04:33.41 | Resilience | I am curois about why the / partition is always growing in size with every update wtihout installing anything new |
| 04:34.11 | missmbob | packages tend to get bigger with newer versions (more code, more features, etc) |
| 04:35.28 | Resilience | more tyhan doubling? |
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| 04:36.04 | missmbob | i'm not seeing what you're seeing. if that's what it's telling you, then you. |
| 04:36.10 | missmbob | then yes* |
| 04:36.40 | missmbob | plus some packages dont just get "upgraded". sometimes old versions have to stay behind |
| 04:36.45 | missmbob | like with kernel packages/headers |
| 04:37.03 | missmbob | maybe you have gcc 5. upgrade needs gcc 6 too now. so now you have gcc 5 and gcc 6 |
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| 04:39.22 | Resilience | maybe |
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| 04:54.02 | Resilience | missmbob, what about running 32bit apps in a 64bit system? any trouble? |
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| 04:55.00 | screamslash | im running debian jessie and my MATE is broken/corrupted im trying to completly uninstall it and reinstall it but nothing i do seems to uninstall it it still shows up in the GDM menu what am i doing wrong? |
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| 04:58.36 | PryMar56 | Resilience, you have packages cached in /var/cache/apt? try `apt-get clean` do `df` before & after |
| 04:59.52 | Resilience | PryMar56, thanks, it released a bit of space, but not the lion's part of it |
| 05:01.12 | PryMar56 | Resilience, dpkg -l linux-image* | grep ^ii |
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| 05:01.23 | PryMar56 | see how many kernels are installed |
| 05:02.33 | PryMar56 | Resilience, oh wait, Debian does not let kernel count rise |
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| 05:03.42 | Resilience | PryMar56, 3 kernels, with just one I would be fine |
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| 05:03.58 | mo1991_ | helllo |
| 05:05.51 | PryMar56 | Resilience, try to boot with the latest kernel, once you do, `apt-get remove` the oldest |
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| 05:06.20 | Resilience | PryMar56, I am booting with newer kernel since a few days ago |
| 05:06.53 | PryMar56 | Resilience, sorry to be too obvious, I've not followed this advice myself before |
| 05:07.28 | Resilience | PryMar56, nothing about being sorry, me neither followed always that... and soemtimes I had a little bit mmm "trouble" :) |
| 05:07.31 | heaps | so does the data section of a .deb file contain the actual binary or some intermediate form of the binary? |
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| 05:31.14 | jeeves_moss | what would cause debian to black screen after grub on an Asus T102HA? |
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| 05:33.11 | jeep | jeeves_moss: misconfiguration of something video probably |
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| 05:36.25 | benjamin_ | Quick question about Debian, I've very new to Linux distros, and have been jumping around to Ubuntu, Budgie, Elementary, and etc. I am considering switching to Debian, I am looking for a distro that would be best for audio recording with a DAW (Ardour4, Bitwig, etc) Thoughts? Second to audio production I'm looking for a distro with the best support as a newcomer. |
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| 05:40.07 | jeep | benjamin_: its personal preference really .. however debian has always made me happy :) |
| 05:41.22 | benjamin_ | jeep: That's what I thought, but there isn't anything I should be looking at specifically when it comes to certain tasks? |
| 05:42.28 | screamslash | use point linux benjamin |
| 05:42.41 | screamslash | its a pre packed well maintened debian variant |
| 05:43.06 | benjamin_ | screamslash: Haven't heard of that one before, I'll start researching it. |
| 05:43.19 | screamslash | ive been using it for years |
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| 05:45.35 | jeep | benjamin_: not really .. apt is best package management i prefer debian over any of the distros that copy it |
| 05:47.44 | benjamin_ | jeep: cool, nice to know that there are so many options out there. I'm working on migrating myself from macOS having been an Apple guy (for better or worse) for the last 10 years. But I've wanted to be a Linux guy for years but I never had real reason to jump ship. |
| 05:48.20 | screamslash | with the gaming support steam and WINE give linux now theres no reason not to jump |
| 05:48.25 | missmbob | then Elementary is probably a good fit for you |
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| 05:49.32 | benjamin_ | missbob: I tried it, but I only ran it for a couple days, there were a few minimal-ized things about it that became a little but more of a pain than pleasure. |
| 05:50.21 | benjamin_ | screamslash: I definitely want to get WINE up and running at some point to hopefully rely completely on Linux instead of having to keep a Windows partition or machine around. |
| 05:50.34 | jeep | benjamin_: i used debian on my old imac g3 as a server like 7 years ago it worked well i only migrated away from the ppc due to some security features |
| 05:50.36 | screamslash | its easier than ever now |
| 05:50.49 | screamslash | i run hearthstone heroes of the storm etc on wine |
| 05:52.37 | benjamin_ | screamslash: Awesome! My only semi-troublesome thing with Linux so far is wrapping my head around the whole PulseAudio, Alsa, JackAudio world and getting things to work, while chasing sample rate mismatches and popping clipping issues. However for the time being I seem to have got it figured out on Ubuntu (knock on wood). |
| 05:52.55 | screamslash | you're talking to a guy who used to edit podcasts full time |
| 05:52.59 | screamslash | so i can relate |
| 05:53.18 | benjamin_ | screamslash: *thumbs up* awesome! |
| 05:53.34 | screamslash | debian is the only distro i reccomend to anyone anymore |
| 05:54.33 | benjamin_ | screamslash: That says a lot I suppose. |
| 05:54.42 | screamslash | ive been using linux since 2006 |
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| 05:54.54 | screamslash | ive used fedora,ubuntu,gentoo,debian,openSUSE |
| 05:55.11 | screamslash | ubuntu back in the 10.04 day was what i would reccomend but now its only debian |
| 05:56.41 | screamslash | one of the reasons is apt is a far superior package manager to the other options |
| 05:58.05 | benjamin_ | Good to know :) |
| 05:58.28 | screamslash | i mean really |
| 05:58.38 | screamslash | what linux distro you use doesnt matter to some regard |
| 05:58.51 | screamslash | the real thing that effects what you're actually experiencing is the desktop environment |
| 05:58.55 | r3m | ,v quassel |
| 05:58.56 | judd | Package: quassel on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.0-1+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 0.8.0-1+deb7u3; jessie-security: 1:0.10.0-2.3+deb8u1; jessie: 1:0.10.0-2.3+deb8u3; stretch: 1:0.12.4-2; sid: 1:0.12.4-2 |
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| 06:08.58 | pingfloyd | screamslash: and dist policies |
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| 07:22.26 | Guest67530 | which parts of linux were gnu |
| 07:22.40 | Guest67530 | well what parts of linux/gnu are gnu |
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| 07:23.20 | missmbob | pretty much all the userland unix tools. |
| 07:26.56 | Guest67530 | so mostly its the fundamental tools used with linux |
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| 07:27.24 | Guest67530 | that were developed before linux and adpoted as soon as linux got off the ground |
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| 07:28.31 | missmbob | yes |
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| 07:32.04 | Guest67530 | what is the difference between debian and ubuntu? |
| 07:32.12 | Guest67530 | is ubuntu just a re-skin |
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| 07:33.34 | awal1 | dpkg. ubuntu |
| 07:33.46 | awal1 | dpkg: ubuntu |
| 07:33.47 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 07:34.10 | missmbob | it's not even close to just a skin. hell the vast majority of their apps use snap now |
| 07:34.47 | missmbob | ubuntu doesnt believe in stability. it just tries to be new and shiny |
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| 07:38.53 | awal1 | In fact, ubuntu would like to be a windows/mac, a comercial OS, for make money, if it wasn't based almost on free software/debian |
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| 07:40.43 | awal1 | if next year debian swithes to sysvinit or openrc, ubuntu also will do :D |
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| 07:45.52 | law | is there a resource that matches up Debian/Jessie installer questions with their appropriate d-i section counterpart? |
| 07:46.18 | law | and, is there a preseed linter available, by chance? |
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| 07:57.24 | lotus777 | has anybody installed Debian on an iPad? |
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| 08:52.09 | maasha | I need a bit of help, I get an err: 'no ocijdbc11 in java.library.path' |
| 08:52.45 | maasha | How to get that driver and how to add it to that path? |
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| 08:59.23 | maasha | .oO(I anyone awake?) |
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| 08:59.43 | maasha | o_O |
| 08:59.50 | maasha | O_o |
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| 09:01.23 | babilen | maasha: What have you tried so far? |
| 09:01.55 | babilen | And in which context do you run into that issue? |
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| 09:03.25 | Iridos | apparently some oracle thing in some java application⦠you're supposed to guess, you know |
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| 09:06.13 | gebruiker | when setting up encrypted drives during the debian install - why is the /boot partition not encrypted? |
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| 09:07.11 | Epakai | because the bootloader has to be able to read /boot to load a kernel |
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| 09:08.46 | gebruiker | epakai is that not a security concern? |
| 09:09.18 | bezaban | it is, but it would be impossible to get a system booted and decrypted if it wasn't readable |
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| 09:09.31 | bezaban | there are approaches, /boot on removable device etc |
| 09:09.46 | Epakai | sure, if somebody has physical access the kernel could be replaced and you might not know the machine was compromised that way |
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| 09:10.22 | Epakai | there are ways to encrypt boot, but i don't think the debian installer implements any |
| 09:10.31 | gebruiker | bezaban i found http://www.pavelkogan.com/2014/05/23/luks-full-disk-encryption/ where the author explains that grub can deal with hash passowrds. I was wondering why this was not included in the debian installer |
| 09:10.40 | gebruiker | and @ epakai too |
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| 09:11.48 | bezaban | ah neat. I don't know |
| 09:12.03 | bezaban | I've seen that approach on arch come to think of it |
| 09:12.35 | gebruiker | You guys think it is worth bug reporting this? |
| 09:12.49 | bezaban | to leverage it you'd need physical access and then get the machine back to the owner, then reclaim the machine |
| 09:12.58 | bezaban | aka evil maid |
| 09:13.27 | bezaban | and at that point there are a lot of other concerns |
| 09:13.35 | bezaban | it wouldn't be a bug per say, but a feature request sure |
| 09:13.53 | Epakai | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=814798 |
| 09:13.54 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/814798 in debian-installer (open): «debian-installer: enable encrypting /boot using GRUB cryptomount»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-02-15; last modified: 2016-02-15. |
| 09:14.39 | bezaban | there you go |
| 09:14.53 | gebruiker | cool |
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| 09:15.32 | gebruiker | hmm no response from the dev |
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| 09:20.04 | maasha | babilen: sorry, was away for a sec. So I have basically tried to google for the issue and come up with very little. I suppose I should download jdbc from somewhere, but it is not packaged for debian |
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| 09:23.38 | sqz | any tips on automated publishing/distributing a linux package for multiple architectures/distros? (packagecloud.io seems pricy for an individual like myself) |
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| 09:24.23 | colo-work | maybe check out SUSE's open build service |
| 09:24.33 | sqz | would be great to hear any tools for that (instead having to fire up virtualbox for every distro and doing it manually) |
| 09:24.38 | colo-work | (never used it, but I believe it provides that) |
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| 09:43.20 | sqz | actually it would make sense |
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| 09:43.43 | sqz | i remember hearing about suse's build server..but back then i was like 'why..you can do that locally' |
| 09:44.33 | sqz | but a push-once-build-multi-distro-packages-workflow definately makes more sense |
| 09:45.06 | sqz | colo-work: have you ever used checkinstall? |
| 09:45.36 | devCon | Hello there I have a problem with setting my atheros usb card on debian testing? many networks are shown but when I try to connect it fails |
| 09:46.07 | devCon | checked the password already |
| 09:47.30 | colo-work | sqz, yes. it's a quick and dirty "solution" to the problem |
| 09:47.40 | colo-work | (the quotes are there for a reason) |
| 09:48.13 | sqz | colo-work: there are better ways of doing it? I was actually surprised how ridiciliously easy it made .deb packages for me :D |
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| 09:48.54 | sqz | devCon: maybe try wpa-supplicant commandline with verbose output? |
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| 09:51.16 | colo-work | sqz, well, the packages it generates will most probably not conform to the Debian policy |
| 09:51.24 | colo-work | so that's OK if you only want to use them locally |
| 09:51.41 | colo-work | but providing them to the general public will probably leave your users frustrated in the end |
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| 09:53.23 | Pooff | Hi! Do you know why translation does not work in Chromium? |
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| 09:55.08 | c-c | Pooff: you switched it off? |
| 09:55.33 | Pooff | No it just tells me it is impossible to translate |
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| 09:55.46 | Pooff | on Windows, translation occurs without any problems |
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| 09:56.11 | c-c | Pooff: on Chrome? or ChromiUM? |
| 09:56.17 | Pooff | Both |
| 09:56.26 | devCon | sqz: sorry I' m not skilled with wpa_supplicant, although I know some basics on linux and I'm confortable with the command line, which command should I run? |
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| 09:56.38 | Pooff | Chrome and Chromium on Linux do not translate |
| 09:56.56 | Pooff | Can you try? |
| 09:57.11 | c-c | Pooff: I hate translated pages, I always turn it off |
| 09:57.29 | Pooff | sometimes it can be useful. |
| 09:59.07 | c-c | Pooff: does this page ask you to get translated? http://aforisticamente.com/ |
| 10:00.00 | Pooff | Yes |
| 10:00.17 | Pooff | But then âimpossible to translateâ |
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| 10:01.24 | c-c | Pooff: have you logged into your account *in the browser* |
| 10:01.33 | Pooff | No |
| 10:01.33 | c-c | thats what it probably requires, a google account |
| 10:01.36 | c-c | as such |
| 10:01.41 | Pooff | hum... |
| 10:01.43 | Pooff | maybe |
| 10:01.46 | c-c | your question is very offtopic for this channel |
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| 10:01.54 | Pooff | yes, true |
| 10:02.02 | c-c | So, good luck and use the search engine to ask more! |
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| 10:49.37 | daemon | hey all I noticed, I just copied a load of crap to a usb device, it sempt to be copying at 130MB/ps which was impressive only ever seen 4MB/ps on the drive, anyhow once finishd I went to unmount it, Cannot unmount writing data to device ... so obviously it copied to some sort of write cache |
| 10:49.43 | daemon | is there anyway I can disable write caching for usb pens |
| 10:49.53 | daemon | would rather have more accurate copy dialogues |
| 10:50.09 | petn-randall | daemon: Mount the device with the 'sync' option. |
| 10:50.19 | daemon | petn-randall, anyway to defautl apply oit to all usb pens |
| 10:50.55 | daemon | I imagine it will be in hal somewhere, thunar automounted it |
| 10:51.02 | daemon | or somewhere else? |
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| 10:53.44 | Iridos | who knows how that works⦠it's magic, that is |
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| 10:54.07 | Iridos | anyway, wasn't there some reason why mounting ssd devices with sync was not recommended? |
| 10:54.12 | Derp | Hi, what chmod should I set my sqlite db to? |
| 10:54.27 | Guest26295 | I heard 777 isn't actually dangerous |
| 10:55.03 | Guest26295 | For file permissions |
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| 10:55.34 | Guest26295 | It's on a VPS not a shared server |
| 10:56.28 | Iridos | why is that even a question |
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| 11:01.18 | yulax | ismt it good practice to run sync after copying to usb devices or sd cards anyway? |
| 11:05.39 | Shadur | Doing it before disconnecting, certainly. |
| 11:06.05 | Shadur | *probably* not necessary, but doesn't harm to make sure. |
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| 11:09.36 | petn-randall | yulax: 'sync' will sync *all* devices on that machine, so it's a bit overkill. |
| 11:10.05 | maasha | so how to add a path to java.library.path ? |
| 11:10.11 | petn-randall | yulax: When the umount command returns, or your file manager gives a green light, it's ok to pull out. |
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| 11:56.19 | wtn4726 | yulax: if it is an external usb harddisk, i would do umount and then eject -s on the block device. some usb powered external harddisks need this to flush internal buffers before power is removed. |
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| 11:58.29 | Ke | most file managers will call udisks2 to do this |
| 11:59.08 | Ke | yulax: note that sync has an option to do filesystem specific sync with syncfs system call nowadays |
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| 12:04.26 | ChrisH | I added a second maillinglist on my mailman (exim4 intergration). List 1 is used in one-direction only like an annoucment list. The new list 2 should allow discussions. Mails go out to the test reciepents, but their reply gets treated as non-member post. But the mail adress visible in vette file matches the mail adress list_members show. Any idea where I could continue searching? |
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| 12:20.51 | rafalcpp | daemon: it copies it to a buffer in computer RAM. it get's actually written slower/later, at least when you unmount device |
| 12:21.02 | rafalcpp | s/get's/gets |
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| 12:22.58 | daemon | rafalcpp, I know how it works I want to know howto disable it for all usb mass storage devices |
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| 12:28.36 | rafalcpp | daemon: yeah maybe flag "sync". or perhaps tune buffer size, somewhere in /proc/ maybe there is even per-device setting. I wonder if hdparm program could set more details too |
| 12:28.58 | rafalcpp | what tools you use to show network interface bandwidth? |
| 12:29.03 | rafalcpp | *b/w usage |
| 12:29.39 | daemon | bmon |
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| 12:30.21 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: iftop |
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| 12:44.29 | MrDetonia | Is there a particular reason for this: https://i.imgur.com/z0NyW6r.png ? |
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| 12:45.28 | petn-randall | MrDetonia: What is unexpected for you? |
| 12:46.02 | Shadur | Not seeing anything particularly out of the ordinary there. |
| 12:46.11 | MrDetonia | petn-randall: why is the difference between --no-install-recommends and otherwise so ridiculous? |
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| 12:46.22 | MrDetonia | why does my kernel apparently recommend X11 |
| 12:46.25 | MrDetonia | and texlive |
| 12:46.27 | MrDetonia | and ruby |
| 12:46.29 | MrDetonia | etc. |
| 12:46.47 | MrDetonia | *kernel patch |
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| 12:47.14 | wtn4726 | one of my first actions on a newly installed debian is to disable recommends in global apt config |
| 12:47.32 | petn-randall | MrDetonia: I'm guessing some of the packages recommends it ... |
| 12:47.36 | MrDetonia | wtn4726: ah, you see sometimes I do that |
| 12:47.48 | MrDetonia | wtn4726: but then *some* packages *actually* depends on one of the recommends |
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| 12:48.10 | MrDetonia | it just seems like a mess :/ this in particular was just ridiculous |
| 12:48.11 | themill | kernel-package wants to build you documentation |
| 12:48.11 | wtn4726 | then i'd say those packages are broken |
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| 12:48.15 | Shadur | It doesn't. It recommends the documentation package, which in turn recommends tex and docbook, which in turn recommend certain packages that depend on some minor xorg core libs, which is how xorg-common gets pulled in. |
| 12:48.31 | MrDetonia | and there is no way to prevent that? |
| 12:48.39 | MrDetonia | why not only install top level recommends? |
| 12:48.43 | wtn4726 | packages shouldn't _depend_ on their _recommends_ |
| 12:48.43 | Shadur | Yes. Don't automatically follow recommendations. |
| 12:48.56 | MrDetonia | but then issue I mentioned above causes problems |
| 12:49.13 | themill | what problem? |
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| 12:49.16 | MrDetonia | I'm trying to remember a package in particular, I think it was Qemu |
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| 12:49.28 | MrDetonia | if you don't install recommends for qemu, it just doesn't work |
| 12:49.29 | themill | pastebin or it didn't happen. |
| 12:49.46 | MrDetonia | themill: that's not really productive, this is on an old system, why don't you test yourself |
| 12:49.46 | petn-randall | MrDetonia: I'm not sure what your problem is. You already know about the --no-install-recommends flag, and you're not happy with the Recommends. So just use it and carry on with life? |
| 12:50.00 | themill | nots that qemu has no Recommends |
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| 12:50.48 | MrDetonia | themill: it may have been qemu related then, possibly virt-manager |
| 12:50.59 | petn-randall | MrDetonia: Every package will work (that is execute without segfault, etc.) completely without recommends. It might just not have all the functionality that a typical user might expect from it. That's why recommends is on by default. |
| 12:51.04 | MrDetonia | petn-randall: so that isn't a problem then? |
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| 12:51.44 | petn-randall | MrDetonia: How is that a problem? Worst case is you wasted a few MB of disk space when you could have done without. |
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| 12:52.06 | MrDetonia | >few MB |
| 12:52.12 | MrDetonia | the difference is hundreds of megabytes |
| 12:52.21 | MrDetonia | and xserver |
| 12:52.27 | MrDetonia | for zero reason, as far as I can tell |
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| 12:52.41 | noobie_ | If I have custom compiled kernel and I want to upgrade it with same parametres. Do I have to recompile a newer verson manually or can I simply do it with apt-get? |
| 12:52.43 | MrDetonia | also please, don't confuse this with me complaining at debian or apt or anything |
| 12:53.10 | MrDetonia | this just seems so blatently wrong, surely there should be a way of preventing this for users that maybe don't know how the recommends work? |
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| 12:54.03 | petn-randall | MrDetonia: x11-common is not the X server. xserver-xorg is the server. |
| 12:54.32 | MrDetonia | either way, I think it's clear my point still stands |
| 12:54.55 | MrDetonia | (xterm is also included for my xserver I don't actually have, in that case) |
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| 12:55.13 | petn-randall | MrDetonia: Well, there's always a trade-off. You could set the Recommends tighter, and then users would complain in IRC that their piece of software doesn't work the way they expect it. |
| 12:55.13 | themill | MrDetonia: the reason has been explained. Either accept it or don't. Either way, there's nothing to keep arguing about. |
| 12:56.07 | petn-randall | MrDetonia: But since 1 GB of HDD clocks at ~4ct, it's hardly worth the work for end users. If you're an admin and are provisioning VM or thousands of machines, you'll know about recommends and which ones to omit. |
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| 12:56.38 | MrDetonia | well I tried I guess, apparently this isn't an issue for any other Debian users |
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| 12:57.19 | petn-randall | MrDetonia: As I said, it's more of a problem if something *doesn't* work. People seldomly complain of wasting a few megs on their drives. |
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| 12:58.05 | themill | MrDetonia: this is a help channel not for bug reports. All you can get here is "you can use --no-install-recommends" and then your problem is already solved. |
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| 12:59.00 | MrDetonia | themill: the topic says nothing about being a help channel, but okay. I get the idea nobody here atm cares about this |
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| 13:43.00 | petn-randall | daemon: You have /var/log/dmesg, and you can install bootlogd in not running systemd, or with systemd, just run 'journalctl'. |
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| 14:29.51 | ChrisH | That is pNFS? |
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| 14:32.54 | petn-randall | parallel NFS |
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| 14:36.04 | jelly | pretty NFS? |
| 14:36.12 | ChrisH | NFS is pretty |
| 14:36.27 | jelly | riight! |
| 14:36.45 | petn-randall | ANAB - All NFSs are beautiful! |
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| 14:38.59 | jelly | nfs lives matter |
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| 14:39.16 | dpkg | <jetscreamer> should be doable though, even if it's not |
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| 15:07.57 | brahman | Hi, one of our staff has just allowed am AmazonWebServices support agent to run a remote desktop connection using something called bomgar. According to the staff member that all worked fine. AFAIK it's a Java application that shares screen and allows uploading of files, etc. |
| 15:08.43 | brahman | My Question is around the state of the server once that java app has been run. Should I consider that debian server as having been compromised and rebuild it? |
| 15:09.31 | OpenTokix | brahman: yes |
| 15:09.35 | brahman | Feels dirty to allow some random java app to run on our production systems |
| 15:09.36 | FinalX | hehe, we just started deploying Bomgar to help customers as well. someone just helped a 89-year old with setting up Apple Mail :) |
| 15:09.48 | OpenTokix | brahman: does not sound like something amazon support would do |
| 15:09.52 | petemc | bomgar is well known |
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| 15:10.34 | FinalX | brahman: Bomgar-wise, I wouldn't. It's been vetted by our security officer and security team as well. However, policy-wise and trust-wise, you have to consider the company that it came from. If in this case it really is Amazon, do you mistrust them enough to warrant a reinstall? |
| 15:10.51 | FinalX | brahman: Don't have you any way of verifying what was altered on your system? |
| 15:10.56 | brahman | OpenTokix: I am not particularly worried about amazon or the representative but potentially that agent would have had access to the private gpg keys installed on the box etc... |
| 15:11.41 | FinalX | Well, that always remains a possibility, yes. So again, depends on 1) Do you trust the agent enough to not having done that. 2) Do you have any way of verifying what the agent accessed. |
| 15:11.53 | brahman | it goes against all my rules of allowing unknown software to run on our production servers... I was away and couln't prevent this from happening. |
| 15:12.22 | brahman | FinalX: Unfortunately no way of knowing if files changed |
| 15:12.41 | FinalX | Well, not just changed; you're worried about private keys; so in that regard, read access is already enough. |
| 15:13.01 | FinalX | And yeah, I get you, just throwing in food for considerations. |
| 15:13.41 | brahman | FinalX: yeah, am worried about read access to gpg keys, and other stuff on this prd server. Ultimately AWS have access to all the instances but this feels worse for some reason. |
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| 15:14.04 | FinalX | I'd feel really icky with it all. In this case it all comes down to a matter of trust, really. Trust in the agent. That being said, with Bomgar, the customer they are helping can see everything the Amazon agent does. |
| 15:14.22 | FinalX | So if he paid attention, he could've seen precisely everything the agent did or did not do. |
| 15:14.28 | brahman | FinalX: Does the agent have full access to the box or just viewing the screen? |
| 15:14.33 | riot | uuh, this is outdated: https://wiki.debian.org/Console << it says, there are six consoles. Nope, not on my recently installed unstable. How do i get them back? I can't live without them. |
| 15:14.37 | Circuitsoft | Hello - on a machine running stretch, how can I step through one particular function in the kernel? Do I need to rebuild the kernel? I don't see linux-image-...-dbg packages anymore. |
| 15:15.10 | FinalX | Depends on the access you give them, brahman. As far as I know the one you're helping (your coworker in this case), has to allow permission to change. |
| 15:15.38 | brahman | FinalX: Ah ok, I think he only let them view the screen not sit in the driver seat. |
| 15:15.43 | FinalX | brahman: I'll doublecheck with one of our agents, sec. |
| 15:15.50 | wtn4726 | riot: how many consoles do you have on unstable? just one? |
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| 15:16.34 | Circuitsoft | riot: I think you "systemctl enable getty@tty{2,3,4,5,6}" |
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| 15:17.33 | FinalX | brahman: I just heard that it's either "all or nothing", so no view-only |
| 15:17.43 | riot | wtn4726: none at all! scary |
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| 15:17.53 | wtn4726 | riot: oops |
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| 15:18.06 | riot | wtn4726: well, err, the first one seems to be logging bootstuffs, but there's no login prompt on any. |
| 15:18.18 | FinalX | brahman: but they also said that all actions done by the agent are visible to the person they're helping in that session. |
| 15:18.26 | petn-randall | riot: What do you get when switching to TTY1,2,3, etc? |
| 15:18.33 | riot | Circuitsoft: is this configurable from outside, ie. when i only have the /etc partition of that one mounted? |
| 15:18.52 | Circuitsoft | riot: It's done by symlinks. |
| 15:18.52 | riot | petn-randall: nothing :> quite scary - only f7 gets me back to xorg |
| 15:19.07 | riot | Circuitsoft: oh. okay, then it should be possible. thanks! |
| 15:19.08 | brahman | FinalX: ok, so hopefully he was paying attention |
| 15:19.47 | Circuitsoft | "readlink /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/getty@tty1.service" on my machine yields "/lib/systemd/system/getty@.service" |
| 15:19.51 | brahman | FinalX: Would you let AWS run bomgar on your own debian desktop? |
| 15:19.57 | riot | aah, yeah, there's a getty@tty1.service .. somehow i expected this was systemd-related again.. |
| 15:20.11 | FinalX | brahman: also, any new session would have to be re-authorized with session codes |
| 15:20.30 | FinalX | brahman: no, I'd never let anyone run any kind of software that can view, let alone modify, anything on any of my machines. |
| 15:20.40 | riot | Circuitsoft: but do you have a login running there? i didn't even get one on tty1 :/ |
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| 15:21.02 | rgl | waves |
| 15:21.12 | rgl | I'm having some trouble with a thin volume metadata. and doing a lvextend -L +128M pve-storage/data_tmeta says Insufficient free space: 32 extents needed, but only 0 available ... any idea how to make room for it? |
| 15:21.14 | brahman | FinalX: agreed. I will rebuild the system |
| 15:21.16 | FinalX | brahman: let alone production servers with sensitive information. but we're an internet access, e-mail and hosting company and we have customers in their 80's, for which it is absolutely brilliant to guide them through things or sset e-mail up for them etc. |
| 15:21.17 | brahman | Grrrr |
| 15:21.19 | Circuitsoft | I do. Maybe look at was getty@.service does, and see if all the executables are valid. |
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| 15:21.24 | jmp | hi there |
| 15:21.25 | petn-randall | riot: "nothing" as in black screen, or doesn't it even switch? |
| 15:21.27 | riot | what happened to the good old inittab... :.( |
| 15:21.33 | jmp | I have Xen in a host with debian Stretch |
| 15:21.36 | riot | petn-randall: no, as mentioned: i get some boot-logs but naught else |
| 15:21.38 | jmp | it does work with dom0 kernel 4.6 |
| 15:21.42 | wtn4726 | riot: systemd ate it |
| 15:21.43 | jmp | fails with any higher version |
| 15:21.54 | jmp | any ideas why ? |
| 15:21.55 | riot | it sure eats too many good things. |
| 15:22.12 | petn-randall | riot: the tty with systemd only gets started the moment you switch, so something might be broken on your system (works fine here on stretch). |
| 15:22.18 | brahman | FinalX: yeah I get the user case behind it, I just find it goes against all the common sense I developed over the years... |
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| 15:22.35 | riot | weirdly, on this rather up to date but older sid install, i have the same systemd links and still have 6 fine ttys |
| 15:22.48 | FinalX | brahman: yeah, same here, I'm rather paranoid, and I've given internet safety courses over the years as well, so, you know. I totally get you. |
| 15:22.57 | riot | petn-randall: its a very default-installed recent (3 weeks old) unstable |
| 15:23.06 | romano2k | hi there! would anyone know how i could convert a torrents.state text file into a CSV file? (example: http://pastebin.com/hmQHpHqf ) |
| 15:23.11 | brahman | has a fun afternoon rebuilding a server, and potentially changing GPG keys |
| 15:23.12 | wtn4726 | riot: can you get at least an xterm or something in xorg? |
| 15:23.29 | FinalX | brahman: we also only do it if the call is taking way too long because we really can't get things explained to the customer and the customer is getting frustrated. it's not a standard go-to thing. |
| 15:23.43 | zh1 | hypervisor type 1 for debian 8.6? most recommended? |
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| 15:24.10 | riot | wtn4726: i assume as much, i'm just back on the old system because i fscked up the password on the new one (and TIL about nullok_secure.. *grnf* - well, it makes sense) |
| 15:24.25 | brahman | FinalX: thanks for your help on this. Much Appreciated! |
| 15:24.45 | FinalX | np :) |
| 15:25.22 | riot | still, i wonder how this sid manages to get six nice ttys running without many differences in systemd's config.. is something perhaps still parsing the old inittab it has for compat? |
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| 15:27.30 | romano2k | with a paste.debian.net link: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/8580c75c/ would anyone know how i could convert such a text file into a CSV file? |
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| 15:32.52 | ChrisH | romano2k: check http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9605232/how-to-merge-every-two-lines-into-one-from-the-command-line awk with multiple N should work. |
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| 15:38.53 | romano2k | thanks ChrisH, will check that! |
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| 15:45.10 | riot | hmm, just adding the symlinks didn't give me login prompts *shudders* |
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| 16:02.09 | rvalles | https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=docker&mode=path&suite=testing&arch=any -> No docker in stretch? |
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| 16:03.14 | riot | well. really annoying. I installed slim (desktop manager) and now even the recovery mode is broken. |
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| 16:06.11 | jeff21 | where can we find the sha512 and sha256 sums for the debian net install file (debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso)? |
| 16:07.21 | jelly | jeff21: same directory where you download the image itself |
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| 16:08.00 | jeff21 | thank you, jelly. could you please post a link to that directory? |
| 16:08.05 | colo-work | riot, you should probably use lightdm instead. |
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| 16:08.58 | riot | colo-work: kinda too late now. can't get back in.. *sigh* i'm considering going back to slackware actually. after 26 years, why not ;) |
| 16:09.02 | jelly | jeff21: do you have the URL where you downloaded the .iso from? |
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| 16:10.14 | colo-work | riot, "back in"? just switch to another VT with getty on it? |
| 16:10.28 | jelly | my chrome browser is acting weird and fails to refresh unless resized, but it's still playing music and I don't want to restart it |
| 16:10.41 | riot | colo-work: they're missing. <3 systemd.. (if i ever personally meet that poettering guy, he's in for some pain) |
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| 16:12.57 | colo-work | riot, well, the _default_ installation of Debian sure configures those. even with systemd providing PID 1. :) |
| 16:13.17 | rvalles | https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=docker&mode=path&suite=testing&arch=any -> No docker in stretch? |
| 16:13.26 | colo-work | riot, you can reboot your box to a different target that doesn't have the graphical login included |
| 16:13.46 | colo-work | (choosing single user mode in the bootloader prompt should be enough) |
| 16:13.52 | riot | colo-work: default unstable installation - and no, the rescue mode dies quickly with a black screen :> fun in a box |
| 16:14.12 | colo-work | ah, well. unstable = all bets off |
| 16:14.17 | jelly | !d-i |
| 16:14.18 | dpkg | Debian 8 "Jessie" is now the "stable" Debian release. See http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/ for images. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. See also <errata>, <g-i>. |
| 16:14.30 | TomTomTo1 | !why is docker.io not in testing |
| 16:14.30 | dpkg | docker.io is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=docker.io |
| 16:14.35 | TomTomTo1 | rvalles: ^ |
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| 16:14.59 | riot | colo-work: first unstable installation (of many hundreds) that exhibits these weird problems :D the one i'm using right now is living >10 years |
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| 16:15.23 | jelly | jeff21: basically you visit http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/ , copy the desired netinst URL, paste it into the address bar and delete the filename |
| 16:15.46 | riot | it all came with stupid systemd. Also dbus is evil! I'm going to switch to bsd or hurd or something, should there ever be a real kdbus in linx. |
| 16:15.49 | rvalles | TomTomTo1: Thanks. |
| 16:16.02 | jelly | riot: good luck! |
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| 16:16.37 | jeff21 | jelly: thank you |
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| 16:18.25 | jeff21 | the iso is served over http (fine) but the sums and signatures are also delivered over http |
| 16:18.42 | jeff21 | . where can we find these verification files delivered over https? |
| 16:19.12 | jelly | jeff21: why? use gpg to verify the signatures. |
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| 16:20.12 | jelly | of course, getting the right gpg public key in a trusted way is a different issue :-) |
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| 16:21.02 | jeff21 | pardon my ignorance, but the signatures are separate files. how do we know that the sum files haven't been MITMed over http? |
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| 16:22.26 | jeff21 | (pardon my ignorance) |
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| 16:23.04 | riot | agetty is still installed by default, right? |
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| 16:23.26 | jelly | Jacob843: by verifying pgp sigs. |
| 16:23.41 | jelly | jeff21: by verifying pgp sigs |
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| 16:24.07 | jelly | the MITMer would need to have the same private keys that are used to sign the original files |
| 16:24.45 | jeff21 | jelly: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.6.0/amd64/iso-cd/ says that the checksum files are signed |
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| 16:25.32 | jelly | yep |
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| 16:25.56 | jeff21 | and it says For more information about how to do these steps, read the verification guide (https://www.debian.org/CD/verify) |
| 16:26.40 | jeff21 | ...but that page does not actually walk through the steps |
| 16:26.42 | jelly | jeff21: so you download a checksum file and the matching .sign or .pgp, and use an OpenPGP implementation like gnupg (gpg) to check its validity |
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| 16:30.01 | jelly | jeff21: something like "gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 42468F4009EA8AC3" and then "gpg SHA256SUMS.sign" |
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| 16:33.23 | riot | wicked, exchanging slim back to sddm via systemd-symlink still leaves me with a broken x.org. any idea what might have caused that? |
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| 16:34.03 | jeff21 | jelly: thank you. in the "recv-keys 42468F4009EA8AC3", what is the basis for the "42468F40" portion? |
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| 16:36.08 | jeff21 | jelly: altogether, this is the last 16 characters of the public key fingerprint, yes? |
| 16:37.04 | tehrabbitt | anyone here work with aptly before? |
| 16:37.13 | tehrabbitt | i'm having issues getting apache to host the index |
| 16:37.43 | tehrabbitt | it wants to place the index at /root/.aptly/public/ which is problematic. |
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| 16:39.02 | jelly | jeff21: yep |
| 16:39.04 | jeff21 | sorry if these questions are too basic. we are trying to learn the verification process |
| 16:39.16 | jelly | no problem |
| 16:39.44 | jelly | pgp/gpg has been horribly unfriendly for the last 20 years |
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| 16:41.16 | jelly | and it's way too easy to brute-force generate a key matching the last 32bits of the fingerprint, historically used as "short fingerprint", and upload it to public keyservers |
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| 16:41.52 | thefreakjoe | help plz, https://paste.debian.net/898113/ Thank you in advanced |
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| 16:43.19 | jelly | thefreakjoe: which version of debian-archive-keyring package is installed? |
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| 16:46.43 | jelly | ,v debian-archive-keyring |
| 16:46.44 | judd | Package: debian-archive-keyring on amd64 -- wheezy: 2014.3~deb7u1; sid: 2014.3; jessie: 2014.3; stretch: 2014.3 |
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| 16:52.30 | jpastore | hi I was wondering if someone could point me to a guide on setting up an ipsec site to site link with a carrier. trying to use strongswan. is that recommended? |
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| 16:56.16 | riot | hah, i'm back in the system. chroot + dpkg-reconfigure sddm did the trick |
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| 17:01.55 | thefreakjoe | hey |
| 17:02.10 | thefreakjoe | how do i see the version of my debian-archiv-keyring |
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| 17:02.38 | jelly | thefreakjoe: dpkg -l debian-archive-keyring (last line of the output) |
| 17:02.56 | thefreakjoe | just a moment |
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| 17:04.03 | thefreakjoe | https://paste.debian.net/898121/ jelly |
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| 17:07.03 | jelly | thefreakjoe: that seems fine. What happens if you "apt-key update" ? |
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| 17:07.27 | jelly | thefreakjoe: please do "export LC_ALL=C" in that root shell, so further messages are in English |
| 17:07.39 | jelly | do it before the apt-key stuff |
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| 17:09.30 | tehrabbitt | anyone here use aptly before? i've specified the root directory to save the db and mirror files to /aptly but instead, it insists on /root/.aptly/ even though i've specified "/aptly" in the config. it seems like it's ignoring it completely |
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| 17:09.58 | tehrabbitt | i'm completely stumped. |
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| 17:11.24 | Spec | tehrabbitt: pastebin your aptly.conf (with keys redacted)? |
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| 17:12.16 | tehrabbitt | http://paste.debian.net/898123/ |
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| 17:13.20 | Spec | tehrabbitt: Hmm, looks right to me. Perhaps you have conflicting config in ~/.aptly.conf ? |
| 17:13.26 | thefreakjoe | jelly: it retrieves 7 keys |
| 17:13.31 | thefreakjoe | no error |
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| 17:13.54 | tehrabbitt | Spec, I deleted the .aptly directory completely, doesn't exist. |
| 17:14.02 | Spec | tehrabbitt: not the directory, but a config in ~/ |
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| 17:14.17 | tehrabbitt | Spec, that's what I mean, I deleted the one that was there |
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| 17:14.47 | Spec | tehrabbitt: have you tried calling aptly with -config=/etc/aptly.conf explicitly? |
| 17:15.21 | tehrabbitt | yeah it's throwing an error one sec, maybe that's why :| |
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| 17:16.28 | Bonn333 | Hello guys |
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| 17:17.20 | tehrabbitt | Spec, I deleted all the conf files, ran it once so it'd auto-generate, and now I copied it over to my /etc/ location, edited the file to show the new root dir, deleted .aptly from /root/ and ran it again, seems to be working now |
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| 17:17.31 | tehrabbitt | I'm guessing just a bad config file |
| 17:17.43 | Spec | tehrabbitt: :D |
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| 17:18.01 | thefreakjoe | jelly: when i issue apt-get updage,, gettin this error, W: Erro GPG: http://repo.steampowered.com precise InRelease: As seguintes assinaturas não puderam ser verificadas porque a chave pública não está disponÃvel: NO_PUBKEY F24AEA9FB05498B7 |
| 17:18.11 | thefreakjoe | update* |
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| 17:18.40 | tehrabbitt | Spec, i'm running the update now... *crosses fingers* the issue I ran into least time, was that I created the mirror, I added a snapshot, I went to access via http, but since it kept making it in /root/.aptly/ It wouldn't let me symlink it to /var/www :P |
| 17:18.43 | zanshin | Dumb question: I have a NUC5i5RYH with a dead Ethernet NIC. WiFi works. Can I install Debian 8 over WiFI? The netinstall only looks for the Ethernet interface. Maybe the Live CD does WifI? |
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| 17:18.49 | tehrabbitt | thus, no dir listing, thus no mirror :| |
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| 17:20.51 | password2 | hi |
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| 17:22.27 | teraflops | zanshin_: the netinstall looks for wireless devices top if it has the appropriate driver and firmware |
| 17:22.33 | teraflops | too |
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| 17:23.30 | n4dir | you could also just take CD 1 and setup wifi after installation |
| 17:23.49 | jelly | dpkg, tell zanshin_ about firmware images |
| 17:24.50 | jelly | thefreakjoe: I asked you to run "apt-key update", not "apt-get update" |
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| 17:31.13 | jpastore | how do I know if I have systemd? the systemctl command is missing is not available |
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| 17:32.23 | petn-randall | jpastore: 'ls -al /sbin/init' |
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| 17:32.44 | jpastore | petn-randall: yes it's there |
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| 17:33.10 | petn-randall | jpastore: It's a symlink, where does it point to? |
| 17:33.10 | jpastore | petn-randall: shouldn't I have /bin/systemctl ? |
| 17:33.35 | jpastore | petn-randall: it is not a sym link it's a bin 36992 bytes |
| 17:33.45 | petn-randall | jpastore: Which release are you running? |
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| 17:34.19 | jpastore | petn-randall: this is a debian 7 box. :/ |
| 17:34.32 | jelly | jpastore: what does "cat /proc/1/comm" say |
| 17:34.50 | jpastore | I'm on someone else's box setting up ipsec |
| 17:35.02 | jpastore | jelly: init |
| 17:35.04 | jelly | jpastore: you wouldn't have systemd on debian 7 unless you went out of your way to install it and make it usable |
| 17:35.06 | petn-randall | jpastore: Debian 7 is wheezy, and that comes with plain old sysv init. |
| 17:35.11 | jelly | that's sysvinit |
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| 17:35.32 | jelly | upgrade to 8 if you want it |
| 17:35.35 | jpastore | I didn't realize this was 7 ox. they said 8 the whole way through. |
| 17:35.40 | jpastore | they setup another box |
| 17:35.47 | jpastore | but I'm testing their shrew soft ike config |
| 17:35.48 | jpastore | which works |
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| 17:36.06 | petn-randall | jpastore: While systemd also exists in wheezy, it was explicitely a technology preview, and far from usable. |
| 17:36.10 | jpastore | but I wanted the service to start and the ikec to run automatically in rc.local |
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| 17:36.22 | jpastore | np |
| 17:36.28 | jpastore | working on the itpables stuff now |
| 17:36.39 | password2 | Hmm |
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| 17:36.46 | petn-randall | jpastore: rc.local works still fine in wheezy. |
| 17:36.52 | password2 | I wonder if cinnamon would run on my old pc |
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| 17:39.28 | TyrfingMjolnir | Attempting to install debian jessie net on MacMini 4,1 |
| 17:39.34 | TyrfingMjolnir | from memory stick |
| 17:39.38 | TyrfingMjolnir | menu shows up |
| 17:40.01 | TyrfingMjolnir | I do 64 bit installation, but system get stuck on CD driver |
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| 17:40.36 | petn-randall | TyrfingMjolnir: How did you prepare the memory stick? And what image did you pick? |
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| 17:40.59 | TyrfingMjolnir | amd64 net install |
| 17:41.13 | TyrfingMjolnir | cat debian.iso > /dev/rdisk1 |
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| 17:41.43 | jpastore | cool guys thanks |
| 17:42.05 | jpastore | petn-randall: does rc.local work on Jessie |
| 17:42.13 | jpastore | they want to rebuild this on 8 |
| 17:42.16 | foetus | a fontconfig question - is it possible to change font hinting settings for different applications? |
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| 17:42.53 | petn-randall | jpastore: IIRC systemd doesn't source that file anymore, but you can easily set up a systemd unit that does the same, but just safer. |
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| 17:43.13 | petn-randall | jpastore: If rc.local never exits, the system will never finish booting. This can't happen anymore with systemd. |
| 17:43.47 | jpastore | petn-randall: can you recommend a guide on how to do that? |
| 17:44.05 | jelly | petn-randall: no, that particular hand can't happen but we now have many other hangs to hang on to |
| 17:44.12 | jelly | s/hand/hang/ |
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| 17:45.05 | TyrfingMjolnir | petn-randall: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.6.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 17:46.00 | TyrfingMjolnir | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.09 | TyrfingMjolnir | Do I need to load some network drivers? |
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| 17:46.19 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
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| 17:46.41 | petn-randall | TyrfingMjolnir: Do you have ifconfig installed? |
| 17:46.56 | TyrfingMjolnir | How would I know |
| 17:47.02 | TyrfingMjolnir | This is the installer |
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| 17:47.27 | foetus | is still weird that some applications are using different hinting styles |
| 17:47.44 | somiaj | Trellmor: is /sbin/ip there? |
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| 17:59.26 | gebruiker | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-automatic-harden.en.html seems outdated. none of the harden packages are in the repo´s |
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| 18:06.46 | rapha | hi! |
| 18:07.27 | rapha | half of the time, when i click a link it opens in Firefox, even though in the XFCE settings, i've specified Chromium as the default browser. is there any way to get rid of that behaviour short of uninstalling firefox? |
| 18:08.05 | petn-randall | rapha: Click a link in what application? |
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| 18:08.35 | warchild | i have been trying to get debian to remember that chromium is the default browser for a while now without much luck |
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| 18:08.54 | petn-randall | rapha: It might be /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser, you can change that with 'update-alternatives'. |
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| 18:10.18 | rapha | petn-randall: mostly i have the problem in weechat which is running inside of tmux inside of ssh inside of xfce4-terminal |
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| 18:10.47 | rapha | /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser -> /usr/bin/epiphany-browser ... lol ... that one never opens, though |
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| 18:11.46 | warchild | hey is anyone using sid? |
| 18:11.58 | qqx | Another thing to check is `xdg-settings get default-web-browser` |
| 18:11.59 | thefreakjoe | hi there, how does asus gl702vm ,its a rog laptop, works regarding the shortcut F1..F12 ? doesnt seem to work well only sound up and sound down, plus mute ! |
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| 18:12.26 | warchild | it seems the video-abi package was removed, and xorg uninstalls itself with dist-upgrade |
| 18:12.42 | rapha | qqx: that one is correctly set to chromium |
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| 18:13.00 | gustavohmsilva | hi guys! hope you guys are ok. I need some assistance here... it's a idiot question actually... given that the pipe operator forward anything from on command to another... I'm curious if i can use pipe my network card to another command... I would have to run two pipes at the same time of course... one for tx info, another on for rx info... but... is it doable? |
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| 18:13.37 | thefreakjoe | 2 |
| 18:13.40 | petn-randall | gustavohmsilva: Sounds like you want to use netcat to forward a specific port over the network. |
| 18:13.55 | gustavohmsilva | not quite petn-randall |
| 18:14.22 | petn-randall | gustavohmsilva: Piping directly to your network card doesn't make much sense, since you still need all the other layers around a datagram for it to reach its destination. |
| 18:14.53 | rapha | okay, so /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser and "xdg-settings get default-web-browser" are both chromium now. any other way firefox could get the vote? |
| 18:14.58 | petn-randall | gustavohmsilva: Maybe you could tell us about what you're trying to achieve, and we can tell you what the most practical solution is. |
| 18:15.28 | thefreakjoe | hi there, how does asus gl702vm ,its a rog laptop, works regarding the shortcut F1..F12 ? doesnt seem to work well only sound up and sound down, plus mute ! Thank you in advance |
| 18:15.32 | gustavohmsilva | petn-randall, the idea would be to use tx and rx software defined radios to create a fully working network connection between two computers... |
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| 18:16.53 | petn-randall | gustavohmsilva: You'd still need some network layer to avoid both SDRs transmitting at the same time, etc. |
| 18:17.07 | tehrabbitt | what exactly is the difference between "deb" and "deb-src" options when it comes to apt sources? |
| 18:17.11 | petn-randall | gustavohmsilva: Interesting idea, but it'll need some work. |
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| 18:17.22 | gustavohmsilva | tehrabbitt, debian source code = deb-src |
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| 18:17.32 | tehrabbitt | ah I see |
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| 18:18.01 | thefreakjoe | found it tks |
| 18:18.22 | tehrabbitt | gustavohmsilva, so if i'm trying to manage package installs through aptly, I can still include the src location being the general public debian servers, since those will only be source-code updates? |
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| 18:18.34 | gustavohmsilva | petn-randall, we have been using the minimodem application (debian repo) to send and receive encrypted communication over radio... it was relatively easy actually! |
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| 18:18.51 | thefreakjoe | was under settings, universal access, multimedia keys ENABLE ! :P fixed tks |
| 18:19.50 | gustavohmsilva | tehrabbitt, I dunno what is aptly actually... haha gonna have to google it... |
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| 18:22.56 | petn-randall | gustavohmsilva: If your SDR is exists as a device under /dev/, you could pipe data back and forth there. |
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| 18:24.12 | gustavohmsilva | pet-randall, interesting... But I don't know if it will be possible... keep in mind that the sdr need a lot of extra info besides what the eth0 will provide... like the frequency of operation for example... |
| 18:27.07 | gustavohmsilva | pet-randall, up to now, we've been using for our communications something like that: $echo "hello elliot" | minimodem --tx 1200 |
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| 18:27.56 | gustavohmsilva | petn-randall, if he has a terminal with minimodem --rx 1200, he will receive the info alright |
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| 18:28.18 | TyrfingMjolnir | how can I install elk? |
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| 18:28.53 | TyrfingMjolnir | in debian |
| 18:29.04 | petn-randall | TyrfingMjolnir: How far did you get with your own research? |
| 18:29.13 | gustavohmsilva | petn-randall, considering, of course, that gnuradio software is piping the audio input and output to the sdr card |
| 18:29.45 | petn-randall | gustavohmsilva: petn<tab> |
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| 18:30.07 | gustavohmsilva | sorry... it was my autospell changing petn to pet... |
| 18:30.09 | petn-randall | gustavohmsilva: Interesting. What bitrates can you get through SDR, and what is the range? |
| 18:30.20 | AndChat252681 | Can anyone tell me the server and channel for debian next, after the update my system got stuck |
| 18:30.28 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 18:30.29 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:30.32 | petn-randall | AndChat252681: ^^^ |
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| 18:31.25 | gustavohmsilva | petn-randall, no idea man... the range will depend of the LNA you're using, on how potent is your antenna etc etc... |
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| 18:32.52 | gustavohmsilva | petn-randall, I also dunno about the bitrate man... we've been playing with minimodem for AGES now... even over telephone calls lol |
| 18:34.33 | gustavohmsilva | petn-randall, great way to have encrypted RTC btw! just make a compatible 3.5mm cable between your PC and smartphone, call the person and pipe encrypted message to minimodem :D |
| 18:35.12 | gustavohmsilva | petn-randall, it would be actually the most secure mobile convo you'll have in your life lol... |
| 18:35.32 | petn-randall | gustavohmsilva: There are probably easier ways, but definitely a funny hack :D |
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| 18:37.01 | TyrfingMjolnir | petn-randall: that i'ts not version 5 |
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| 18:39.37 | gustavohmsilva | petn-randall, we want to try this with our hackRF boards now. It would be AWESOME... The problem is how to make it work... We ere able to use minimodem to almost everything... netcat helped us to make video chat "tolerable" through phone calls... |
| 18:40.28 | petn-randall | TyrfingMjolnir: How is that an answer to my question? |
| 18:40.40 | gustavohmsilva | petn-randall, unfortunately... phreaking is almost dead... so finding info is actually really hard those days |
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| 18:45.39 | gustavohmsilva | petn-randall, BY FAR the most awesome things we've done so far with minimodem was to clone a 128mb thumbs drive :D |
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| 18:48.17 | petn-randall | gustavohmsilva: Sweet! Though I imagine the throughput isn't that great when piping it through the POTS. |
| 18:49.01 | Tenkawa | Anyone had any success with ifuse and a iphone 6s on jessie? i cant seem to get it to see the connected phone |
| 18:49.30 | tdn | I have an external eSATA drive. I can read from it at about 115 MB/s. However, when I try to write to it, I get ~7 mb/s. What can cause this behaviour? I have tried formatting the drive to ext4 and write files of various sizes using cp, rsync, etc. I have also tried writing directly with dd. Both to the filesystem. But also just writing directly with 'dd' to the block device. I have tried various block sizes. It stills keeps staying at about 7 mb/s. |
| 18:50.04 | Tenkawa | ios 10.1.1 if needed |
| 18:50.20 | petn-randall | tdn: Is this USB? |
| 18:50.28 | petn-randall | tdn: gah, nvm |
| 18:50.38 | tdn | petn-randall, eSATA. |
| 18:50.45 | petn-randall | tdn: What is the underlying block device? |
| 18:51.09 | petn-randall | yeah, nvm was meant to be "nevermind", not "non-volatile memory" ;) |
| 18:51.13 | tdn | petn-randall, not sure what you mean? |
| 18:51.49 | tdn | petn-randall, if I do dd directly to and from the block device, I guess the underlying block device is the actual disk? |
| 18:51.57 | petn-randall | tdn: The eSATA drive, is it a rotating HDD, a SSD, a CF card? |
| 18:51.59 | tdn | petn-randall, or do you mean the name of it? |
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| 18:52.13 | tdn | petn-randall, it is a rotating HDD: It is a LACIE D2 Quandra v3 |
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| 18:52.35 | tdn | http://www.lacie.com/gb/en/professional/d2/d2-qudra-usb-3/ |
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| 18:53.29 | petn-randall | tdn: Do you get any errors in /var/log/kern.log? |
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| 18:54.47 | tdn | petn-randall, during the tests, no. |
| 18:54.54 | TyrfingMjolnir | I'm trying to install elastic search |
| 18:55.04 | TyrfingMjolnir | I have added elastic repo, and oracle 8 |
| 18:55.06 | TyrfingMjolnir | Nov 23 19:53:04 elk01 systemd[1]: elasticsearch.service: main process exited, code=exited, status=78/n/a |
| 18:55.11 | TyrfingMjolnir | Nov 23 19:53:04 elk01 systemd[1]: Unit elasticsearch.service entered failed state. |
| 18:55.20 | tdn | petn-randall, however, I am using the drive for backups, so I have a few large transfers to it. When these are going on, I might have some "process hung for more than 120 secs" messages. |
| 18:55.31 | petn-randall | TyrfingMjolnir: What do you get in the logs? "journalctl -u elasticsearch" |
| 18:55.40 | TyrfingMjolnir | What I just posted |
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| 18:56.33 | petn-randall | TyrfingMjolnir: elastico repos are not part of Debian and thus not supported here. But you can ask in #elasticsearch. |
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| 19:00.12 | Jamal | Hello, I am installing my fresh debian installation very soon |
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| 19:00.22 | Jamal | home server (no window gui) |
| 19:00.53 | Jamal | can you advice me if I should use whole disk (partition all space) or leave some unused for later? |
| 19:01.01 | Jamal | I will use LVM to increase space |
| 19:01.24 | tdn | petn-randall, do I need to install any drivers, etc. before using an external esata drive in debian? |
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| 19:02.24 | Jamal | ./sda1 (20GB) will be for rootVG ./sda2 (50GB) will be for datavg rest of SSD will be unused space. Does it make sense? :) |
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| 19:04.16 | petn-randall | tdn: Normally not, and you can use it, so I think it's not a driver issue. Is it also so slow on different OSes? |
| 19:05.07 | tdn | petn-randall, I do not have other OS |
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| 19:05.25 | petn-randall | Jamal: 20 GB for root it good, and a 2nd partition for any big data to go. So looks good to me. If you change your mind later, you can always enlarge the LV and extend the filesystem. |
| 19:05.55 | petn-randall | tdn: Ok, I was hoping we could find out if it's an issue with Debian, or if the drive is maybe broken. |
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| 19:06.31 | tdn | petn-randall, I have checked smartctl -a, and there does not seem to be any problems. |
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| 19:07.30 | kyshtynbai | Hi guys! I;ve lost internet connection during netinstall and now I have only "base system" installed. It does'not have resolv.conf in etc 0_o . Could you please name me the package of dns resolver? I have reised connection now... |
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| 19:08.05 | greycat | printf 'nameserver 8.8.8.8\n' >> /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 19:08.35 | greycat | Ultimately something else will come along and "fix" that, but that should be enough to limp up to the starting line. |
| 19:08.36 | petn-randall | kyshtynbai: I'd reinstall if it didn't install some essential packages. |
| 19:08.41 | kyshtynbai | well it was the first think I;v tried |
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| 19:24.43 | gebruiker | securing debian |
| 19:24.46 | gebruiker | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-automatic-harden.en.html seems outdated. none of the harden packages are in the repo´s |
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| 19:32.34 | benjamin_ | Quick question for you guys, I'm having trouble with my installation of Debian, everything installed correctly except my user account is saying that the password is incorrect, so when I try a different username the password is also incorrect. However when I enter the terminal from the login screen and try the same username / password combination I tried on the GUI login screen it logs in without |
| 19:32.34 | benjamin_ | issue. Am I missing something? |
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| 19:33.55 | GNU\colossus | benjamin_, maybe there's a problem with the keyboard layouts being in effect on your VT, and in your X session? |
| 19:34.25 | benjamin_ | GNU\colossus: Possibly, didn't think about that. |
| 19:34.33 | gebruiker | benjamin_: also in addition - are the users in the right groups ? |
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| 19:35.16 | gebruiker | you might want to investigate /var/log to see what the exact problem is |
| 19:35.34 | benjamin_ | gebruiker: can't say specifically, as I only setup one user from the installation process and I'm rather new to Linux as a whole. However I can say I have changed any group information on this install |
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| 19:35.56 | gebruiker | if you setup the user during the installation then the groups should be fine |
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| 19:37.17 | gebruiker | try changing the password of the user you are trying to login as from the terminal, then see if your Desktop Environment uses a weird keyboard configuration |
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| 19:38.48 | benjamin_ | GNU\colossus: solved it, apparently the caps lock key doesn't work (despite the light turning on and the software showing it as enabled on the GUI, on my Apple Wired Keyboard) so my uppercase letters I was typing in didn't capitalize. However the shift key worked fine. |
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| 19:44.00 | d3xter | hey guys, i'm trying to get i3-cinnamon working. when starting the session i get "required component i3-cinnamon not found", although there is a i3-cinnamon.desktop inside "/usr/share/applications" and "i3-cinnamon" is executable. any hints? |
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| 19:46.02 | GNU\colossus | benjamin_, interesting :) glad you could solve your problem. |
| 19:46.33 | benjamin_ | GNU\colossus: Very interesting, but thanks for the suggestion that got me going down the right path. |
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| 19:51.08 | qfqsfqf | hello |
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| 19:51.43 | winsen | Hi all |
| 19:52.15 | unborn | for some reason my debian freez out when playing vlc - mainly some movie..is there any way to found it in logs what that causes? |
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| 19:53.59 | winsen | which one would you recommand to reinstall grub2; debian netinst iso disc or or super grub2 disc hybrid or...? thanks |
| 19:54.18 | greycat | Whichever one you already have in your desk drawer. |
| 19:54.36 | greycat | In my case, that would be the netinst CD. |
| 19:55.07 | petn-randall | winsen: They all work fine, just chroot into the system, and run the one in the chroot. |
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| 19:57.19 | winsen | greycat: hanks for answering |
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| 19:58.54 | winsen | <petn-randall: I already tried with ubuntu live cd, I used chroot..unfortunetelly it didn't fix it. |
| 19:59.23 | winsen | I did that many times with ubuntu live cd |
| 19:59.45 | nano_python | https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall |
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| 20:00.54 | winsen | nano_python: ="this site can't be reached" |
| 20:01.14 | nano_python | winsen, Opens fine for me. |
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| 20:01.16 | greycat | winsen: try again. Works for me. |
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| 20:03.49 | n4dir | i got an array list of URL's i download with lynx -dump -nolist | grep searchpattern. grep prints the result (say openbox, openbox-menu, etc) to the screen. I need to add the print of grep to the URL where it is found. Is that possible? |
| 20:04.10 | n4dir | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.03 | greycat | if lynx -dump -nolist "$i" | grep -q "$search"; then echo "found $search in $i"; fi |
| 20:06.04 | n4dir | greycat: i guess i need the full path, so rather $i/$search, while $search will also be openbox-menu, if i searched for openbox. |
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| 20:06.43 | greycat | I have no idea what you are saying. $i is the thing you're passing to lynx. Presumably a URL. |
| 20:06.50 | n4dir | yes. |
| 20:07.00 | greycat | Printing the URL is not sufficient? |
| 20:07.20 | n4dir | no, the result of grep needs to be added to the URL. |
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| 20:07.56 | greycat | if tmp=$(lynx -dump -nolist "$i" | grep "$search"); then echo "$i: $tmp"; fi |
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| 20:08.19 | n4dir | thanks a ton. will try that. |
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| 20:08.54 | qqx | n4dir: Try adding --label="$i" to the grep command. |
| 20:09.11 | n4dir | qqx: thanks, will look into it too. |
| 20:09.53 | qqx | Probably need to use the -H option there as well. |
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| 20:13.17 | winsen | greycat: I tried, but it doesn't open here |
| 20:13.51 | greycat | Then you have MAJOR issues. You'll want to figure out who broke your web. |
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| 20:14.08 | greycat | Corporate firewall? Chinese government? |
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| 20:15.38 | n4dir | qqx: does it fine, but result is like http://name.org/path/path:searchresult. Is there a way to get a / instead of a colon when using label? |
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| 20:15.54 | n4dir | btw: just figured out i am in the wrong channel. sorry for that |
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| 20:16.40 | winsen | greycat: I am not from china |
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| 20:17.25 | qqx | n4dir: As far as I know grep doesn't allow a way to specify the separator between the label and matched data. |
| 20:17.49 | n4dir | ok, thanks anyway, cool stuff. Will try greycat s solution too and then call it a day |
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| 20:19.27 | winsen | anyway thanks |
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| 20:33.49 | winsen | greycat: do you mean the method to reinstall the grub2 is the same either with debian netinstall cd, super grub2 disc hybrid, ubuntu, Kali.. live cd...? |
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| 20:34.25 | greycat | Why are you even in #debian if you clearly don't use Debian? |
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| 20:34.52 | greycat | You've got an Ubuntu disc and a Kali disc, so you're using one of those. Go to their support channel. And fix your Internet. |
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| 20:38.00 | winsen | greycat: it's a question, it oesn't mean that I have these disc, in addition I am juging other distros as you're doing, i prefer debian it's my business, if someone else prefer to use kali same and so on. I am sorry but your comment is not constructive. |
| 20:38.22 | winsen | I am not juging... |
| 20:38.59 | greycat | My comment is that you have installation media for two NON-Debian operating systems but none for Debian, which is quite odd if you're asking questions in Debian. |
| 20:39.06 | greycat | err, in #debian. |
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| 20:40.43 | winsen | greycat: I am sorry again but you're blind with your image in your brain. I am asking you how can I reistall grub2 for debian and windoz. |
| 20:41.04 | greycat | I have no idea how you would do it in Windows. |
| 20:41.26 | greycat | !reinstall grub |
| 20:41.26 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html . Boot a CD like <grml>, mount your disk read/write, (mount boot partition into your / partition if applicable,) mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/device.map). Also ask me about <fixmbr> <rescue mode>. |
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| 20:42.08 | winsen | greycat, thank you. You've been very helpfull. |
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| 20:47.38 | law | hey all, I'm having a heck of a time preseeding a Jessie install |
| 20:47.57 | law | no matter how I set up my preseed.cfg, it always comes to a screeching halt at the 'choose disks for partitioning' step |
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| 20:51.33 | zmitya | hi guys.. after some time I just wanted to start skype on my jessie and it says that there is no libGL.so.1 |
| 20:51.46 | zmitya | apt-file search can't find any package provides libgl |
| 20:51.56 | zmitya | it worked a few months ago |
| 20:52.03 | zmitya | do you know what coult happen / |
| 20:52.04 | zmitya | ? |
| 20:52.25 | greycat | ,file libGL.so.1 |
| 20:52.28 | judd | Search for libGL.so.1 in jessie/amd64: libgl1-mesa-swx11: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1; libgl1-mesa-glx: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1; primus-libs: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/primus/libGL.so.1; libgl1-fglrx-glx: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/fglrx/libGL.so.1; libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/nvidia/legacy-304xx/libGL.so.1; libgl1-nvidia-glx: usr/lib/x86_64 |
| 20:52.29 | judd | -linux-gnu/nvidia/current/libGL.so.1 |
| 20:55.06 | zmitya | greycat: thanks.. libgl1-nvidia-glx-i386 was what I needed |
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| 20:56.06 | zmitya | greycat: ahh, "apt-file search" is case sensitive ... |
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| 21:16.47 | anonymoususer012 | Hello guy, a quick question: I need to install lenny on an old pc and it requires to load firmware-realtek for the netinst. I cannot access the lenny-backports page to download it. Does anyone know if it will work downloading the current one? |
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| 21:18.50 | zykotick9 | lenny <- the release before i started using debian (at squeeze) /OT |
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| 21:19.46 | anonymoususer012 | I'm aware of that, just wondering if the current package would work on it as the backport for lenny seems to be offline |
| 21:20.07 | zykotick9 | don't use lenny is my suggestion... ymmv? |
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| 21:21.03 | anonymoususer012 | yeah, that wouldn't be an option, any other suggestion? |
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| 21:21.55 | anonymoususer012 | the thing is I use some old software which only works properly on lenny as it's the version it was packaged, I can't get it to work even by compiling it on newer releases |
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| 21:23.35 | greycat | Can you install lenny in a chroot on a more reasonably aged system, and then run your special software inside the chroot? |
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| 21:25.14 | anonymoususer012 | greycat it seems like an alternative, I will try using the current firmware and if that doesn't work I'll try your suggestion. THanks |
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| 21:25.52 | thefreakjoe | hey |
| 21:25.54 | zykotick9 | doesn't usually associate firmware and software together like that?!?! |
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| 21:26.32 | thefreakjoe | Hey, guys-girls! :D I wish to know what tools does debian provide, for roccat devices :) |
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| 21:30.08 | thefreakjoe | if please, thanks in advanced |
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| 22:14.46 | thefreakjoe | hi there |
| 22:14.47 | thefreakjoe | xD |
| 22:14.59 | thefreakjoe | anyone know if gtk+2 is stable ? |
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| 22:31.35 | thefreakjoe | any change of updating love2d plz package name "love" |
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| 23:02.35 | launch | #pandore |
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| 23:05.53 | zuiss1 | i think there's a bot in here that checks dependency conflicts for installing unstable packages in stable? |
| 23:06.44 | TomTomTo1 | not installing, backporting - building from source. /msg judd checkbackport <src-pkg> |
| 23:07.03 | TomTomTo1 | also /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 23:07.34 | zuiss1 | thanks |
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| 23:07.53 | zuiss1 | it says all build dependencies satisfied getting it into jessie |
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| 23:09.20 | zuiss1 | so when i add the deb-src line and get it from sid, i am basically backporting this package myself? |
| 23:09.40 | zuiss1 | it's as safe as installing something from jessie-backports? |
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| 23:10.38 | missmbob | yes. yes. |
| 23:11.09 | missmbob | what are you backporting, btw? |
| 23:12.05 | zuiss1 | ranger |
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| 23:14.57 | zuiss1 | maybe some more if this method is safe and won't lead to broken debian |
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| 23:29.54 | wonderworld | i am getting the ip for an interface with dhcp. i don't want the DNS to be autoconfigured by DHCP. I have "dns-nameservers" in /etc/network/interfaces but it doesn't seem to get honored. /etc/resolv.conf is being overwritten with the servers provided by DHCP. what can i do? |
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| 23:32.33 | missmbob | !resolvconf |
| 23:32.34 | dpkg | resolvconf is, like, a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Many packages including ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, pump, pdnsd, dnsmasq, ... are compatible with resolvconf, making it easier to manage your DNS settings. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>. See also <resolv.conf>. |
| 23:33.14 | missmbob | with that installed it should obey dns-nameservers from interfaces |
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| 23:38.31 | wonderworld | missmbob: thanks will try |
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| 23:42.14 | wonderworld | hmm strange |
| 23:42.36 | wonderworld | now i get 127.0.0.1 as nameserver in my resolv.conf |
| 23:42.51 | wonderworld | (not the nameserver i configured in network/interfaces |
| 23:44.11 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 23:44.45 | tobiasBora | I just upgraded my debian unstable, and it looks like many changes occured... Like the replacement of xorg to wayland. |
| 23:44.51 | missmbob | wonderworld: what are you using to configure it? what got the dhcp ip? |
| 23:44.55 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 23:44.55 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:44.57 | missmbob | tobiasBora: go there ^ |
| 23:45.08 | tobiasBora | missmbob: Thank you |
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| 23:45.45 | missmbob | wonderworld: two easy options: install dnsmasq or network-manager (in terminal use nmtui to configure) |
| 23:45.56 | wonderworld | missmbob: that interface gets its IP via DHCP from my cable modem. i want to use my own DNS. |
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| 23:46.10 | wonderworld | i actually have dnsmasq running on the machine |
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| 23:46.20 | missmbob | so that's where it got 127.0.0.1 from |
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| 23:46.23 | missmbob | you could remove it |
| 23:46.36 | missmbob | or just see if you can ping google.com |
| 23:46.41 | missmbob | if it's working 127.0.0.1 should be fine |
| 23:46.50 | missmbob | (if dnsmasq is working) |
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| 23:47.31 | wonderworld | it works but i would like to understand the mechanism why it was set to 127.0.0.1. i thought it should have configured the values from /etc/network/interfaces dns-nameservers directive? |
| 23:47.47 | missmbob | wonderworld: for dnsmasq it has to be 127.0.0.1. it's a dns cache run on localhost |
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| 23:48.07 | missmbob | wonderworld: you can configure which dns server dnsmasq uses manually, but resolv.conf must stay 127.0.0.1 to use it as cache |
| 23:48.08 | wonderworld | yes, but i have other values in interfaces just for testing |
| 23:48.12 | missmbob | wonderworld: https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/dnsmasq |
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| 23:48.39 | wonderworld | sorry for my bad english. let me try to explain |
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| 23:48.57 | wonderworld | i run dnsmasq on the box and it is working. |
| 23:49.09 | wonderworld | but i realized the box itself didn't use it. |
| 23:49.15 | wonderworld | (clients in my lan did) |
| 23:49.31 | missmbob | right because resolv.conf wasnt set to 127.0.0.1 until you installed resolvconf |
| 23:49.39 | wonderworld | yes |
| 23:49.45 | wonderworld | it was set to my providers dns |
| 23:49.48 | wonderworld | but... |
| 23:49.55 | wonderworld | why has it been set to 127.0.0.1 |
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| 23:50.14 | wonderworld | i dont have 127.0.0.1 as an option for dns-nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:50.15 | missmbob | because dnsmasq is installed. it *must* be set to 127.0.0.1 for dnsmasq to work as caching |
| 23:50.30 | wonderworld | so resolvconf asks dnsmasq? |
| 23:50.33 | missmbob | yes |
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| 23:51.02 | wonderworld | if i would uninstall dnsmasq it would honor the setting in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 23:51.36 | missmbob | it should. there are other programs that could be trying to control it as well. which is why i asked if you were using network-manager or other things as well |
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| 23:51.55 | wonderworld | ok. got it. thanks a lot! |
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| 23:53.07 | wonderworld | ok, i tried it out. didn't work. gets the nameservers from my ISP again when dnsmasq is uninstalled |
| 23:53.30 | wonderworld | but it doesn't matter. will try to debug this in case I'll ever need it again |
| 23:53.34 | wonderworld | tnx for your help |
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| 23:59.01 | z01d | Anyone familiar with Thecus N5200 NAS ? |
| 23:59.15 | Emil | Anyone know mdadm? |
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| 23:59.45 | missmbob | wonderworld: does sudo resolvconf -u update /etc/resolv.conf? |
