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| 00:06.17 | techno2900 | Hello, I have a problem with kodi. When I launch kodi, 5 seconds after, kodi crash. Can you help me please ? |
| 00:07.33 | texnofobix | techno2900: debian? |
| 00:07.35 | techno2900 | Ye |
| 00:07.37 | techno2900 | yes |
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| 00:07.39 | techno2900 | debian jessie |
| 00:07.45 | texnofobix | should be logs for itOP |
| 00:07.51 | techno2900 | ? |
| 00:07.54 | techno2900 | what is itOP ? |
| 00:08.21 | texnofobix | sorry my son kicked my keyboard. should be logs for kodi |
| 00:08.55 | texnofobix | what happens when you call kode from like konsole, xterm, etc ? |
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| 00:09.00 | techno2900 | texnofobix : it's okay. I'm not good in logs. Can you help me ? |
| 00:09.01 | texnofobix | *kodi |
| 00:09.09 | techno2900 | call ? |
| 00:09.17 | techno2900 | Sorry if I don't understand |
| 00:09.37 | texnofobix | from a shell you should be able to issue kodi |
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| 00:10.10 | techno2900 | I'm on debian so.. |
| 00:10.32 | techno2900 | I have crashlog |
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| 00:10.43 | techno2900 | so, can you check at it please ? |
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| 00:11.45 | techno2900 | texnofobix : https://paste.debian.net/896337/ |
| 00:12.03 | texnofobix | looks |
| 00:12.57 | techno2900 | thanks |
| 00:13.50 | texnofobix | aah backports no stable |
| 00:14.05 | techno2900 | and how can I solve that ? |
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| 00:15.17 | texnofobix | did you add backports on purpose? |
| 00:15.19 | techno2900 | sorry, I have to go, can you |
| 00:15.21 | techno2900 | o |
| 00:15.27 | techno2900 | I don'T know |
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| 00:15.42 | techno2900 | I have to go, Back in 15minutes ! |
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| 00:20.11 | hugleo | I'm using debian kernel 3.16 and I got ksoftirqd/0 60% cpu , 95% zombie. just for cpu 0, all others cpus are 98% idle. Do you anybody knows some options that i can try? nohz=off? |
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| 00:32.17 | happy_hacker | sorry if I missed it |
| 00:32.45 | happy_hacker | I'm doing a graphical install and at Partition Disks using encrypted LVM |
| 00:33.09 | happy_hacker | my drive is only 32GiB, and I want to make /home smaller (than default) and / larger |
| 00:33.26 | happy_hacker | is there some option other than Manual in the prior screen, or is this it? |
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| 00:34.55 | techno2900 | texofobix : are you here ? |
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| 00:42.36 | texnofobix | techno2900: yes |
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| 00:43.21 | texnofobix | packages in backports are as is. did you enable backports from something else? |
| 00:43.54 | happy_hacker | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.57 | happy_hacker | http://hmarco.org/bugs/CVE-2016-4484/CVE-2016-4484_cryptsetup_initrd_shell.html |
| 00:44.29 | texnofobix | happy_hacker: i asw that today |
| 00:44.46 | texnofobix | i'm not too worried*saw |
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| 00:45.10 | happy_hacker | well, first of all it might take a wee bit to get this laptop ... physically :D |
| 00:45.32 | happy_hacker | you're going to have bloodshed, which might stick some keys :D |
| 00:46.18 | happy_hacker | a buddy just told me he uses better-initramfs and just took 40s to drop to shell |
| 00:46.24 | happy_hacker | on another Linux distro |
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| 00:47.30 | texnofobix | but you get a shell but not inside the LUKS container, right? |
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| 00:50.14 | happy_hacker | I think it wipes your data |
| 00:50.24 | missmbob | no it doesnt |
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| 00:50.56 | texnofobix | reads bottom |
| 00:51.08 | missmbob | basically what it does is let you in a shell...which means you can play. like trying to run bruteforce to crack the encrypted password, copy data off to another computer to try to crack it there, etc |
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| 00:51.57 | texnofobix | escalation of priviledge ... not worried only single account on this machine |
| 00:51.57 | missmbob | replace your kernel if /boot isnt encrypted...but that's getting fancy |
| 00:52.29 | texnofobix | denial of service ... deletion keeps data secure :P |
| 00:52.37 | AlexPortable | can I replace /etc/network/intefaces file ? |
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| 00:52.42 | missmbob | hell you could accomplish the same in grub if it's not password protected. just tell it to drop to init bash |
| 00:52.56 | texnofobix | yep |
| 00:53.00 | missmbob | AlexPortable: sure |
| 00:53.15 | AlexPortable | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.18 | texnofobix | actually that's a great idea ... I should password protect my bios, grub too :P |
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| 00:54.10 | texnofobix | at some you trade security for convience |
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| 00:55.51 | texnofobix | Guest45168: it isn't recommended to join to IRC as root, free advice :) |
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| 01:58.22 | laughingtiger | debian is robust! |
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| 02:00.48 | x__ | sorry lads, TIFU |
| 02:01.37 | x__ | i broke the video drivers somehow that my resolution comes up only as 640x480 |
| 02:02.47 | x__ | while i was trying to make bl have some opengl so that glxgears would run, i uninstalled xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
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| 02:03.14 | x__ | and reinstalled the intel video |
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| 02:03.23 | x__ | well, still nothing |
| 02:04.00 | x__ | but now even though i managed to set xrandr back to native 1920x1080 |
| 02:04.05 | x__ | it won't stick |
| 02:04.12 | x__ | not even in autostart |
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| 02:04.25 | x__ | it's simply not a mode anymore |
| 02:06.08 | x__ | so now i'm wondering, how do the bl devs manage to auto-detect the native screen resolution and make it stick there |
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| 02:06.36 | x__ | it's definitely something within my reach but no amount of googling showed me how |
| 02:06.47 | x__ | any tips? |
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| 02:07.46 | x__ | oh great, and here i'm in debian |
| 02:07.49 | x__ | sorry folks |
| 02:07.59 | x__ | thought this was #bunsenlabs |
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| 02:12.17 | asarch | How do you change effectively the default browser for GUI? |
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| 02:13.44 | Epakai | update-alternatives --list x-www-browser and update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /path/from/that/list |
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| 02:14.27 | asarch | Sorry, wrong button |
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| 02:15.00 | asarch | I did "update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser" but it seems not working |
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| 02:20.58 | Epakai | nothing follows it or only some apps? |
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| 02:22.16 | missmbob | asarch: i've noticed some apps really need it to be default in gnome for some reason (even if you don't use gnome - i dont). so install/run gnome-control-center, click on details, click on default applications |
| 02:22.43 | Epakai | gnome should default to sensible-browser though |
| 02:22.55 | missmbob | asarch: also set x-www-browser |
| 02:23.23 | missmbob | Epakai: i've had problems with that before. i agree it should. |
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| 03:05.43 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
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| 03:20.52 | hanshenrik | is there anything like Ubuntu/Canonical's Livepatch service for debian users? (it's like unattended-upgrades, but for the kernel, without reboots fixing security vulnerabilities kpatch-style) |
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| 03:21.10 | hanshenrik | (maintained by the ubuntu security team) |
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| 03:23.44 | kruug | How can I go about troubleshooting why http works with nginx but not https? |
| 03:24.00 | hanshenrik | well, asking in #nginx might be a good start |
| 03:24.09 | hanshenrik | define "works" tho |
| 03:24.09 | kruug | fair point. |
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| 03:24.42 | hanshenrik | connection refused? not responding? responding with error? |
| 03:24.47 | kruug | the address resolves with http, but https returns `Unable to connect to the server` when testing with ssllabs |
| 03:25.17 | kruug | via web browser, `Secure Connection Failed` |
| 03:25.32 | grantwu | If I have a dual boot Windows 10 and Debian system where I can't currently boot into Debian |
| 03:25.32 | hanshenrik | uhu |
| 03:25.36 | hanshenrik | and with curl -v ? |
| 03:25.54 | grantwu | Where the current operating theory is that somehow GRUB got overwritten |
| 03:26.05 | hanshenrik | kruug, curl -v https://127.0.0.1 2>&1 | pastebinit |
| 03:26.25 | grantwu | Can I just grub-install again? |
| 03:27.26 | hanshenrik | grantwu, define "can't currently boot into" - can't get the grub boot menu? or get the menu but fails at booting? or not listed |
| 03:27.45 | kruug | hanshenrik: http://paste.debian.net/896348/ |
| 03:27.56 | grantwu | hanshenrik: first of those |
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| 03:28.03 | grantwu | It just boots directly into Windows |
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| 03:28.40 | hanshenrik | grantwu, have you checked if its just a partition boot flag issue? |
| 03:28.51 | hanshenrik | maybe windows reset it |
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| 03:29.30 | hanshenrik | (as the win7 installer does, for instance) |
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| 03:30.14 | grantwu | How would I check that? |
| 03:30.35 | hanshenrik | got gparted? |
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| 03:31.17 | hanshenrik | (i bet parted will tell you too, im just not sure how) |
| 03:31.19 | grantwu | I have an Ubuntu live disk with it, yes |
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| 03:31.32 | grantwu | I'm currently running some SMART tests in Windows |
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| 03:32.04 | grantwu | I get the feeling this computer repair shop disturbed the physical connection somehow, I remember seeing ata errors the last time I shut down Debian |
| 03:32.08 | hanshenrik | grantwu, for instance, in gparted, right-click on /dev/sda2 and press "configure flags" |
| 03:32.13 | hanshenrik | then see if the "boot" flag is checked |
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| 03:32.47 | hanshenrik | find the partition with the boot flag (inspecting the disk you boot from) |
| 03:33.00 | hanshenrik | err, its called "Manage Flags" |
| 03:33.27 | grantwu | Okay, I'll do that once this SMART extended test is done |
| 03:33.37 | hanshenrik | kk. good luck on that test |
| 03:34.02 | hanshenrik | https://i.imgur.com/UK9B6Hv.png |
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| 03:34.34 | hanshenrik | anyway, if the partition with the windows bootloader has the boot flag, there you go, windows set the drive to boot from its own bootloader, not grub |
| 03:34.54 | hanshenrik | in that case, set the partition where grub is installed, to have the boot flag instead |
| 03:35.00 | hanshenrik | - and reboot |
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| 03:35.40 | hanshenrik | (and the boot flag is global per device - only 1 partition can have it at a time) |
| 03:35.51 | hanshenrik | s/device/disk |
| 03:37.35 | hanshenrik | grantwu, hope you read all that ^^ |
| 03:37.53 | grantwu | Yeah |
| 03:38.25 | grantwu | In disk management in Windows it does appear that the boot flag got set to the windows partition |
| 03:38.36 | grantwu | Something very bizarre happened and I don't know what |
| 03:38.46 | hanshenrik | is the windows disk manager capable of switching it back to grub's partition? |
| 03:38.54 | grantwu | I don't think so |
| 03:39.03 | missmbob | boot flag does nothing on linux. hasnt for well over a decade |
| 03:39.57 | grantwu | So, I booted into Linux, rebooted again, a bunch of bad dmesg things were popping up - stuff like ata error - and then when I rebooted, I was momentarily dropped into some UEFI error screen |
| 03:40.28 | grantwu | Which only contains the remnants of random Fedora installs that are long gone which I thought I removed |
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| 03:40.42 | grantwu | I'm not sure what happened next but now I'm booting only to Windows. |
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| 03:56.03 | GALL0 | anyone know how to make a debian 8 USB installer on OS X FOR a amd64 system? tuts online show me how to make a usb installer FOR OS X with a Mac. |
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| 03:57.09 | missmbob | GALL0: https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-mac |
| 03:57.22 | GALL0 | thanks you |
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| 03:59.21 | missmbob | GALL0: that same link mentions using dd as well. i'm sure that'd work on a mac too |
| 04:00.13 | GALL0 | it does, i made one before to make a boot installer for a partion on mac, but it didnt work on another rig i made. it was intel64 and for some reason it wouldnt boot |
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| 04:01.32 | GALL0 | though it was ubuntu, i meant to bookmark the tut I used. but i do recall having to use dd because the hdiutil convert UDW was mac specific.. if i recall correctly |
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| 04:46.41 | grantwu | hanshenrik: hrm... I'm not quite sure what the right partition to boot is |
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| 04:54.57 | hanshenrik | grantwu, try everyone with ext |
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| 04:56.37 | grantwu | Never mind, looking at fstab I believe the boot partition is correct |
| 04:56.56 | grantwu | And it's a long story but I have root on btrfs I regret this. |
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| 04:58.20 | grantwu | Is there a way to verify the presence or absence of grub2 on a partition? |
| 04:58.46 | jim | grantwu, if you have more storage you can change that |
| 04:59.05 | grantwu | Change what? Btrfs to something else? |
| 04:59.31 | grantwu | Yeah, I know. Unfortunately don't have the time for that right now. Will probably scrap this install over Thanksgiving. |
| 05:01.26 | jim | yeah, first by backing up the content of the partition onto some extra storage, then formatting the btrfs as something else, then copying back from the extra storage |
| 05:02.09 | jim | grantwu, you mean on the mbr or partition boot sector? |
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| 05:02.37 | grantwu | Uh... Hrm I guess the mbr... |
| 05:03.20 | jim | well there is one of those per drive, sector 0 |
| 05:04.26 | jim | the stage1 is usually modified then written to the mbr or to a partition boot sector |
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| 05:05.48 | grantwu | /etc/fstab says "/boot/efi was on /dev/sda2" during installation |
| 05:06.21 | grantwu | Err, the end quote should include that last part |
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| 05:22.36 | ptx0 | i have some VMs that netboot from the host (same system) and they frequently fail to get an IP from dnsmasq though they'll succeed randomly, it's worse when the host has higher load i think, but not necessarily.. STP is off |
| 05:23.12 | ptx0 | i see DHCPACK so it seems like the packets are being passed and the DHCP offer is being received but i can't tell why the VM doesn't want the lease |
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| 05:43.26 | machinehum1 | I've downloaded files that are in the /usr/bin /usr/lib style |
| 05:43.44 | machinehum1 | If I run the binary from the bin folder the app runs fine |
| 05:44.02 | machinehum1 | How do I install it? so I can invoke it from the command line? |
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| 05:44.19 | machinehum1 | And ideally tuck those files away |
| 05:44.27 | machinehum1 | dpkg? |
| 05:45.09 | banekillgrind | machinehum1: you can add the folder to your PATH or put it somewhere thats already in your path |
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| 05:46.20 | missmbob | generally you can move it to /usr/local/ (not /usr) |
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| 05:50.24 | banekillgrind | machinehum1: how do you want to access it? |
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| 06:03.28 | pingfloyd | machinehum1: downloaded what files? |
| 06:03.52 | machinehum1 | banekillgrind: I just want to invoke it from anywhere |
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| 06:04.07 | machinehum1 | Like when you install a program using apt-get |
| 06:04.18 | machinehum1 | Where does it stick those files? |
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| 06:05.22 | missmbob | machinehum1: if this is a program you download not in debian you put it in /usr/local/ like i said. copy the bin/lib/whatever folders to that. then you'll be able to run it |
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| 06:07.10 | machinehum1 | missmbob: Okay cool, another thing: above the /usr folder in the download is a /etc |
| 06:07.23 | machinehum1 | Do those files need to go into my root /etc |
| 06:08.00 | missmbob | no. put *everything* in /usr/local/ (/usr/local/bin /usr/local/etc /usr/local/lib etc) |
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| 06:08.54 | banekillgrind | missmbob: that extraneous etc might be confusing him |
| 06:09.36 | missmbob | :P |
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| 06:10.49 | banekillgrind | machinehum1: what directory is this thing in? |
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| 06:11.59 | banekillgrind | /home/hum/Downloads/program/bin ? |
| 06:13.03 | banekillgrind | you want to sudo cp /home/hum/Downloads/program/* /usr/local/ |
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| 06:15.24 | machinehum1 | So I have the entire folder is /home/machinehum/Documents/ |
| 06:15.49 | machinehum1 | What's the difference between /usr/bin and usr/local/bin |
| 06:15.51 | machinehum1 | ? |
| 06:16.37 | missmbob | /usr/ is for things that came packaged WITH the system. /usr/local is for external stuff that you grabbed. if you mix the two you could cause serious problems. |
| 06:17.05 | machinehum1 | uhh ohh |
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| 06:17.44 | machinehum1 | Where does apt-git put files? Because it looks like /usr/bin |
| 06:17.49 | machinehum1 | apt-get* |
| 06:18.06 | missmbob | it does. because apt is pulling packaged files within the system. it's not external |
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| 06:18.51 | machinehum1 | What do you mean by "External" |
| 06:19.02 | machinehum1 | Binaries that other people have wrote? |
| 06:19.20 | banekillgrind | like apt will automatically update your programs, but lets say you had something named the same thing in there already. what will it do? itt will do no5hing, or worse something someone else decided on. |
| 06:19.22 | missmbob | anything you get without using apt-get |
| 06:19.48 | machinehum1 | That's interesting |
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| 06:20.19 | machinehum1 | So apt-get stuff is "Supported" in a way, there's some confidence it plays nice w/ all the libs |
| 06:21.11 | missmbob | yes. and if you mix third party stuff into it you'll likely break libraries and other binaries that those packages expect. so keep them separate |
| 06:22.11 | banekillgrind | /usr/local is the local stuff that apt doesnt touch. /usr/ is the n0rmal userspace thats kept clean and functional wi5h automated tools like apt |
| 06:22.13 | machinehum1 | Okay |
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| 06:22.56 | machinehum1 | Root /bin & /etc |
| 06:23.17 | machinehum1 | Those are not user level files |
| 06:23.38 | machinehum1 | Does apt touch any of that stuff? |
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| 06:33.00 | k_sze[work] | Does anybody know how to perform basic arithmetics in systemd unit files? |
| 06:33.57 | k_sze[work] | e.g. if I want to defined an instanced service unit that will be bound to four identical GPUs in a round robin fashion, and there will be 8 service instances. |
| 06:34.22 | k_sze[work] | so I need to derive the GPU device number from the service's instance number. |
| 06:35.14 | k_sze[work] | I'll register my services as gpu_service@0.service, all the way to gpu_service@7.service |
| 06:35.43 | k_sze[work] | Obviously I have access to the %i inside the unit file. |
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| 06:36.01 | k_sze[work] | and now I need to maybe modulo it so I get a gpu device number. |
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| 07:02.57 | ken8521 | question... when using lxde... the max desktop default icon size, is 96x96... is there a way to change this to be larger. |
| 07:03.21 | ken8521 | (it's going to be for a media center PC, w/ a 48in display) |
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| 07:30.25 | unborn | hi guys.. does anyone knows what -p means in command like copy -p some-file? |
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| 07:30.50 | unborn | aha |
| 07:31.02 | unborn | copy --help provided me the info. sorry :) |
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| 07:36.21 | Neytiri | if i DONT do iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE traffic from the remote netwrok cant access the local |
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| 08:41.46 | Elirips | Hello. If I have in /var/log/foobar/ a lot of files named 'foo.log.1, foo.log.2, foo.log.3' that would indicate that logrotate is working in there, not? |
| 08:42.09 | RoyK | Elirips: at least that it *has* been working ;) |
| 08:42.31 | RoyK | Elirips: ls -l /var/log/foobar and check the timestamps and perhaps sizes |
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| 08:43.20 | Elirips | RoyK: from the timestamps it looks like it is still working. My problem is: I do not find any configuration for logrotate that includes /var/log/foobar .. |
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| 08:43.38 | Elirips | I looked in /etc/logrotate.d, /etc/logrotate.conf .. what else could I be missing? |
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| 08:45.52 | RoyK | Elirips: could you disclose what "foobar" really is? some software uses their own logrotation |
| 08:45.59 | Elirips | letsencrypt |
| 08:46.07 | Elirips | I use certbot on jessie, from backports |
| 08:46.20 | Elirips | I do not run it as root, but as a user certbot |
| 08:46.40 | Elirips | and from time to time it fails, because of a /var/log/letsencrypt/letsencryp.log with incorrect permissions |
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| 08:46.57 | Elirips | I suspected that logrotate does not create a new empty logfile with correct permissions |
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| 08:47.41 | RoyK | hm - when I check my letsencrypt logs, their timestamps, also ctime (change time, from where metadata, such as a filename was changed) matches the time certbot was run |
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| 08:48.35 | RoyK | Elirips: looks like rotation is built-in https://github.com/certbot/certbot/issues/3382 |
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| 08:49.50 | Elirips | RoyK: ah, thank you! I was completely on the wrong path |
| 08:50.14 | Elirips | each run of certbot seems to rotate |
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| 09:35.16 | _aeris_ | hi debian ! |
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| 09:35.40 | _aeris_ | i use reprepro to maintain a custom debian repository, but yesterday, my gpg key expired |
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| 09:36.19 | _aeris_ | i extend it, but my repos is now on EXPKEYSIG, and i canât find a reprepro command to resign all the repo |
| 09:36.26 | _aeris_ | anybody ? :) |
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| 10:24.08 | PinkPing | i can close âopen portâ on router? |
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| 10:24.44 | bezaban | yes :) |
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| 10:28.43 | Smither | I am trying to set up exim4 and as it says on the debian sites exim4 page i have enable spf filtering, however now i can't restart exim4 the error i get is "Exim configuration error in line 368 of /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp: missing or malformed ACL name" and my config file is http://paste.debian.net/896373/ |
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| 10:29.26 | Smither | where do I set the ACL name and what should it be? |
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| 10:42.32 | PinkPing | bezaban: how? |
| 10:42.43 | PinkPing | can you give me answer? |
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| 10:43.38 | petemc | PinkPing: stop the service that is running on that port |
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| 10:43.50 | petemc | eg, to close tcp port 22, stop sshd |
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| 10:48.08 | KAKKMADDAFAKKA | HEIL HITLER NIGGERS WITH AIDS |
| 10:48.18 | bezaban | PinkPing: depends on your router, check the manual |
| 10:48.26 | bezaban | if you have opened it |
| 10:48.53 | PinkPing | thanks petemc and bezaban |
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| 10:51.42 | Plushwolf | Hi, I would like to install Debian on my computer, but need to know if my hardware is supported: AMD Radeon R9 M275X, Realtek 8821ae WLAN |
| 10:51.50 | Plushwolf | Sorry for asking here, but I don't know where to look |
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| 10:53.37 | betandr | Plushwolf: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.html.en might help |
| 10:54.27 | Plushwolf | Thank you |
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| 11:11.54 | MaBunny | jelly,anyone there?? |
| 11:12.08 | Shadur | Sometimes. |
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| 11:12.54 | MaBunny | whenever i try to start my lappy on,i hav to plug in my old debian install pendrive in to load my current debian install(for my laptop) |
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| 11:14.13 | MaBunny | apparently grub was somehow not installed properly...so i had to get the two pendrives together everytime i hav to start my laptop using the new debian-installed-pendrive |
| 11:14.27 | MaBunny | can anyone tell me what to do?? |
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| 11:15.14 | n4dir | MaBunny: you can repair grub a) after booting (not sure about it, grub-install or such) or b) with the installer (expert mode) or c) via chroot |
| 11:15.49 | nkuttler | n4dir: grub-install onto your main hd should do the trick |
| 11:15.53 | nkuttler | MaBunny: ^ ^ |
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| 11:16.01 | MaBunny | nkuttler, how? |
| 11:16.10 | nkuttler | MaBunny: what do you mean? |
| 11:16.13 | n4dir | eg: grub-install /dev/sda |
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| 11:16.24 | MaBunny | nkuttler> n4dir: grub-install onto your main hd should do the trick |
| 11:16.58 | MaBunny | ok,so will i install grub to my hdd's starting position?? |
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| 11:17.22 | MaBunny | between 1024mb?? |
| 11:17.54 | n4dir | grub-install will do it al on it's own. You only have to tell the harddisk, for example sda |
| 11:18.06 | n4dir | whatever harddisk is the one the BIOS boots |
| 11:18.10 | MaBunny | yes,but what is sda here? |
| 11:18.34 | n4dir | probaby your first hard disk. do for example fdisk -l as root to check |
| 11:18.36 | MaBunny | my present pendrive which is the one for the laptop? |
| 11:18.54 | n4dir | No. the harddisk, not the pendrive |
| 11:19.02 | MaBunny | ok |
| 11:19.09 | RoyK | the pendrive may be sda |
| 11:19.15 | RoyK | check that |
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| 11:19.54 | RoyK | lsblk will show, if it's during installation, lsblk probably won't be there, so try cat /proc/partitions |
| 11:20.20 | MaBunny | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.35 | MaBunny | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:20.51 | MaBunny | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.58 | RoyK | !pastebin | MaBunny |
| 11:21.16 | MaBunny | my firefox isnt working properly guys |
| 11:21.23 | n4dir | anyway sda seems to be the usb stick, check what else is there, via fdisk -l |
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| 11:22.12 | MaBunny | no thts the preinsyalled OS shipped with this laptop |
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| 11:22.37 | RoyK | !pastebinit |
| 11:22.37 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 11:22.53 | MaBunny | the usb stick is sdc |
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| 11:23.29 | n4dir | good. |
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| 11:24.29 | MaBunny | now?? |
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| 11:25.27 | n4dir | did you fall on your head recently? |
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| 11:26.51 | MaBunny | ok it has to be ext4 right? |
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| 11:30.14 | MaBunny | ok installing grub |
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| 11:41.00 | MaBunny | guys it didnt work |
| 11:41.18 | MaBunny | can you tell me how to edit the grub script myself?? |
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| 11:42.14 | jolt | MaBunny: maybe /etc/default/grub and run update-grup after that? |
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| 11:42.35 | jolt | but I didn't read the full discussion, so I don't know what you are trying to acomplish |
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| 11:45.18 | ||JD|| | how is the cpu fan speed handled in a standard install? or it is not managed at all |
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| 11:48.57 | jolt | ||JD||: Depends on the hardware, lm-sensors and fancontrol could be used to override stuff |
| 11:49.43 | jolt | ||JD||: But I think that is generally more up to the bios than the OS |
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| 11:50.20 | ||JD|| | jolt: yes I know, I'm interested about how Debian handles it by default, if it does |
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| 11:51.23 | jolt | ||JD||: I would say it doesn't care at all by default |
| 11:52.22 | ||JD|| | alright thanks |
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| 12:00.29 | MaBunny | ok guys,when i do grub-install /dev/sda.....where does this grub install go,and can i do a update-grub on this fresh install of grub?? |
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| 12:02.00 | jolt | it installs grub to take care of booting your system on the first sector of the harddrive called sda |
| 12:02.22 | MaBunny | sda is the harddrive here |
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| 12:02.48 | MaBunny | so if i were to update-grub from this fresh install,how do i do it? |
| 12:03.04 | jolt | $ sudo update-grub |
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| 12:03.05 | jolt | thats it |
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| 12:03.19 | MaBunny | because i did the grub-install previously and when i tried to reboot |
| 12:03.33 | MaBunny | it didnt load the normal screen |
| 12:03.35 | unborn | hi guys - this a bit off topic.. I cannot figure out why fail2ban does not working with apache-noscrip.. anyone good here with fail2ban? |
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| 12:04.07 | jolt | unborn: it parses a log and if there are too many matches it places a new rule in a iptables chain called fail2ban |
| 12:04.08 | MaBunny | jolt,my pendrive too has a grub installed in it....wont update-grub update the pendrive's grub?? |
| 12:04.27 | jolt | unborn: so it might be the parsing part that doesn't work for you. I don't use it myself anymore, so I don't sure about details |
| 12:04.47 | unborn | yeah jolt I have setup apache-noscript on and tested my rule.. which produces output: Lines: 118 lines, 0 ignored, 0 matched, 118 missed however when I test it from another ip to load cgi which does not exist 4 times the ip is still not get banned |
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| 12:05.49 | unborn | so it means it does read log file-s correctly however it does not produce anything on firewall.. an I am stuck with it.. |
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| 12:05.58 | MaBunny | ok,im doing update-grub now...and reboot now |
| 12:06.03 | jolt | MaBunny: Good question, I guess it generates it config and figures that out depending on what you have in /etc/default/grub |
| 12:06.04 | MaBunny | hoping for the best |
| 12:06.21 | MaBunny | jolt so what should i do? |
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| 12:06.39 | jolt | MaBunny: what you just said. Run it and rebbot |
| 12:06.49 | MaBunny | kk |
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| 12:11.00 | jolt | unborn: Well, I don't use it, but have you verified that the filter.d/apache-something.conf is correct with failregex that matches, and have you restarted fail2ban (or enabled the conf via fail2ban-client)? |
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| 12:13.40 | unborn | jolt: yeah restarted and everything.. seems to me that fail2ban with no script simply does not work whatever I would do |
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| 12:16.10 | MaBunny | jolt, it didnt work |
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| 12:17.07 | MaBunny | its pointing to the wrong uuid during loading |
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| 12:20.15 | jolt | MaBunny: did you run grub-install /dev/hda as well? |
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| 12:20.49 | MaBunny | yeah |
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| 12:24.58 | Stranger09 | plz help i am not able to open my internal harddisk partition , it showing me mounted on /media/root/Hdd , rather then /media/myusername/HDD |
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| 12:25.29 | Stranger09 | i get error "you have no permission to acces " when i open from any file manger, |
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| 12:26.11 | Stranger09 | its only accesible to root user , not my other non root usre |
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| 12:27.18 | Stranger09 | i am using debian 8.6 |
| 12:27.19 | Shadur | Why did your internal hard disk partition get mounted to /media/ ? That's usually more for removable drives that aren't there all the time. |
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| 12:28.04 | Stranger09 | when i mount it from gksudo gnome-disks |
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| 12:30.23 | MaBunny | jolt,my system is up n good |
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| 12:30.59 | Stranger09 | Shadur: what to do now |
| 12:31.20 | jelly | MaBunny: yeah? |
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| 12:32.02 | MaBunny | yes |
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| 12:32.54 | Shadur | Stranger09: There's your problem. When you ran gksudo, it meant that you ran the subsequent commands *as root*. Which means the drive was mounted for root. |
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| 12:33.33 | Shadur | What, precisely, were you trying to accomplish? Because I think there's a disconnect here between what you wanted to happen and what you tried to do. |
| 12:33.50 | Stranger09 | no when i restart system, still i am not able to acces my data partition from commad line nor file manger |
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| 12:34.36 | Stranger09 | how will my partition be mounted when i click on my partition in file manger, |
| 12:35.29 | Stranger09 | why am i not able to mount access my partition , and only root user is |
| 12:35.51 | MaBunny | mount /dev/sdx /somelocation |
| 12:35.54 | MaBunny | su |
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| 12:36.20 | themill | no, that's not what you want |
| 12:36.21 | MaBunny | then use chmod n chgrp |
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| 12:37.00 | Shadur | Stranger09: Where do you want that partition mounted? And what do you want to use it for? |
| 12:37.53 | ransur0t | add entry to fstab |
| 12:38.39 | Stranger09 | Shadur: i want partition to be mounted in /media/thinkpad/Data, and it contains my data, i donot want only root user to acces this partition, i want my thinkpad user also use it read wite copy etc all permissions |
| 12:39.39 | Shadur | So is that a thinkpad that you connected to your computer, or a thinkpad you installed debian on? |
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| 12:40.07 | themill | Stranger09: given this is an internal drive, do you want to have to mount it each time or just make it permanently accessible? |
| 12:41.01 | Stranger09 | shadur: when i login as thinkpad, which is not root user, i should be able to access my internal Data partition as i am able to access |
| 12:41.45 | Shadur | That's not what I asked. |
| 12:42.41 | ransur0t | Stranger09: so user thinkpad on a pc/desktop with data partition on internal hd? |
| 12:42.42 | Stranger09 | yes its my internal partition, and i want to mount as normal user |
| 12:43.15 | Stranger09 | ntfs |
| 12:43.16 | ransur0t | persistent and automount for all users? |
| 12:43.30 | Stranger09 | automount |
| 12:43.49 | ransur0t | at boot, or when selected in file manager? |
| 12:43.49 | Stranger09 | i want it to be accesible to all users |
| 12:44.03 | Stranger09 | when selected in file manager |
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| 12:44.28 | ransur0t | k, so that narrows it down to the config that's needed for fstab entry |
| 12:44.37 | themill | !user accessible ntfs |
| 12:44.37 | dpkg | To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field. |
| 12:45.08 | ransur0t | themill: you rock |
| 12:45.09 | Stranger09 | what i have to do |
| 12:45.34 | themill | ransur0t: it's the starting point to remember all those runes |
| 12:45.34 | Shadur | .. You'll probably also want noexec just to be on the safe side, but less critical. |
| 12:45.42 | ransur0t | Stranger09: read up! |
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| 12:46.00 | ransur0t | themill: yup, need to polish up my memory of said runes ;) |
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| 12:48.51 | brontosaurusrex | so basically ntfs needs uid, while ext4 does not? |
| 12:48.54 | Stranger09 | http://paste.debian.net/896382 here is my fstab file |
| 12:49.33 | Stranger09 | what i have to add in there |
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| 12:51.56 | Shadur | brontosaurusrex: More precisely, ntfs doesn't speak proper POSIX access control, so you need to set a specific UID/GID and permission sequence that'll apply to absolutely everything on the filesystem./ |
| 12:52.29 | brontosaurusrex | Shadur, right, sort of a linux control layer? |
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| 12:53.25 | Stranger09 | can u share exact statement that i have to add in there |
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| 12:54.23 | Stranger09 | so that normal non root users will also be able to access this partition, and read write delete etc |
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| 12:58.26 | Stranger09 | sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /media/thinkpad/Data/ is this command write if i make bash script of this , to mount partition |
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| 12:58.39 | Stranger09 | sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /media/thinkpad/Data/ is this command right if i make bash script of this , to mount partition |
| 12:59.01 | Ke | -o umask=0000 perhaps |
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| 12:59.39 | Ke | note that -t ntfs will not allow modification of files to any reasonable extent afaik |
| 12:59.40 | Shadur | That's not how you want to do it, Stranger09 |
| 12:59.50 | Ke | you'll need ntfs-3g |
| 13:00.02 | Shadur | Stranger09: Add a line into /etc/fstab much like the ones already there. |
| 13:00.08 | jelly | Stranger09: read about uid= and gid= options in mount.ntfs manual. |
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| 13:00.49 | Shadur | Look at those articles dpkg just mentioned. You'll want the ntfs-3g filesystem type. |
| 13:01.44 | jelly | Shadur: mount.ntfs already uses ntfs-3g in jessie |
| 13:01.59 | jelly | judd: file sbin/mount.ntfs |
| 13:02.03 | judd | Search for sbin/mount.ntfs in jessie/amd64: ntfs-3g: sbin/mount.ntfs |
| 13:02.47 | Shadur | jelly: Ah, good. |
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| 13:04.44 | Stranger09 | how will non root users acces this partition , what option i need in fstab |
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| 13:05.30 | Shadur | !user accessible ntfs |
| 13:05.30 | dpkg | To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field. |
| 13:05.38 | Shadur | Stranger09: Read that carefully. |
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| 13:09.23 | Stranger09 | is this correct statement " UUID="my label name" /dev/sda2/ ntfs noauto,user 0 1 |
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| 13:10.21 | OpenTokix | Stranger09: no, /dev/sda2 should be your mountpoint |
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| 13:10.28 | OpenTokix | UUID is replacement for the device |
| 13:10.58 | Stranger09 | is this correct statement " UUID="my label name" /media/thinkpad/Data ntfs noauto,user 0 1 |
| 13:11.07 | jelly | Stranger09: LABEL=mylabelname |
| 13:11.17 | jelly | or UUID=my-uuid-value |
| 13:11.24 | Stranger09 | i will place device uuid there |
| 13:11.30 | jelly | but not UUID=label |
| 13:11.44 | Stranger09 | are other option k |
| 13:11.53 | jelly | Stranger09: technically you want the filesystem uuid, not device uuid |
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| 13:12.52 | Stranger09 | are other options k, will i be able to acess my partition as nonroot usre |
| 13:12.55 | Stranger09 | are other options k, will i be able to acess my partition as nonroot user |
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| 13:13.42 | Stranger09 | Shadur: is my fstab statement correct |
| 13:13.43 | jelly | Stranger09: they may be enough or not. There is no worthwhile fsck for ntfs, you can replace the last 1 with 0 |
| 13:13.57 | jelly | and /dev/sda2 not /dev/sda2/ |
| 13:14.10 | jelly | actually, that's not right at all |
| 13:14.26 | jelly | second column should be the moint point directory |
| 13:14.30 | Stranger09 | is this correct statement " UUID="my label id" /media/thinkpad/Data ntfs noauto,user 0 0 |
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| 13:14.36 | jelly | that's better |
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| 13:15.24 | jelly | Stranger09: I don't know whether fstab accepts quote marks there. fstab(5) manual does not specify |
| 13:15.38 | Stranger09 | i will chk that |
| 13:16.41 | jelly | when I used an ntfs disk around debian 6 or 7, I had a lot of other options |
| 13:16.54 | jelly | LABEL=ntfs-ext /media/ext ntfs-3g defaults,user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=022,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0 |
| 13:17.36 | Stranger09 | how can i find label or uuis |
| 13:17.38 | Stranger09 | how can i find label or uuid |
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| 13:21.57 | Stranger09 | how can i get gid uid umask values for my partition |
| 13:22.22 | Horseleg_ | Stranger09: blkid |
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| 13:23.47 | Horseleg_ | Stranger09: sorry, you meant: dpkg> To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and |
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| 13:23.55 | Horseleg_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:24.21 | Horseleg_ | you will get the uid and gid for your current used by runnig 'id' |
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| 13:48.52 | styler2go | can i somehow disable the cpu downscaling on intel cpu? |
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| 13:54.43 | petn-randall | styler2go: It's possible, what is your motivation to do that? |
| 13:55.40 | styler2go | having maximum cpu power available at all time. mine does scale from 480 to 1900 |
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| 13:57.05 | SynrGy | styler2go: so you want to have increased power consumption with no actual cpu performance gain? my understanding is that "on demand" power management gives you the maximum performance anyway, when you need it. |
| 13:57.42 | styler2go | but i am using 100% of cpu but it's only @ 500Mhz from up top 1900Mhz |
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| 13:58.16 | styler2go | hardware limits: 480 MHz - 1.44 GHz, current CPU frequency is 480 MHz, https://p.styler2go.de/1271668/ |
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| 13:59.17 | SynrGy | so? apparently the kernel figures you don't need the additional performance right now. you shouldn't notice things are any slower as a result. |
| 13:59.38 | SynrGy | if you actually needed the extra capacity, it would automatically adjust it upwards. |
| 13:59.43 | styler2go | well. The video i am playing is really slow fps |
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| 13:59.58 | petn-randall | styler2go: That might be a GPU problem. |
| 14:00.00 | SynrGy | that's more likely an artefact of your poor GPU than |
| 14:00.01 | SynrGy | then |
| 14:00.05 | styler2go | it's software rendered |
| 14:00.36 | SynrGy | you can certainly tinker with power management and see if it makes a difference. |
| 14:00.48 | SynrGy | my bet is that it won't |
| 14:00.53 | styler2go | hmm |
| 14:00.57 | styler2go | mabye overheating problem |
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| 14:01.04 | styler2go | and it limits the frequency |
| 14:01.07 | SynrGy | you could convert the video to a format that is kinder to your hardware. |
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| 14:03.09 | styler2go | oh well, temps are 85°C and more |
| 14:03.12 | styler2go | guess it throttles |
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| 14:04.35 | SynrGy | styler2go: my understanding is that this is not how ondemand works. it simply samples the load and ramps up frequency to meet actual load demanded of the CPU ... thermal is unrelated. |
| 14:05.05 | jelly | styler2go: which intel cpu, which debian release and kernel, which video codec for the file, and which video player? |
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| 14:05.05 | styler2go | it doesn't throttle when it's getting too hot? |
| 14:05.22 | SynrGy | thermal controls affect fan speeds *only* |
| 14:05.27 | SynrGy | not CPU throttling, afaik |
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| 14:05.34 | jelly | SynrGy: that hasn't been true for a while |
| 14:05.48 | SynrGy | jelly: really? educate me. |
| 14:06.35 | styler2go | jelly: Intel(R) Atom(TM) x5-Z8300, debian stretch, Linux debian 4.7.0-1-amd64, chromium running some html5 video (doing some stresstests) |
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| 14:07.25 | jelly | even old CPUs had thermal cutoff. Newer ones with intel_pstate have a really complex setup that basically tries to limit (total watts converted to heat) |
| 14:07.44 | styler2go | i know that my laptop (using windows) throttles down when it's getting too hot |
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| 14:08.19 | jelly | styler2go: eh, use a decent player like mpv |
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| 14:08.37 | styler2go | jelly, i want to try what this device can handle in chromium |
| 14:08.55 | jelly | it's too easy to make chromium or chrome fall back to software for decoding or for display or scaling |
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| 14:09.37 | SynrGy | jelly: thanks. so that's the CPU itself that's regulating its own freq? |
| 14:09.54 | SynrGy | independently of OS? |
| 14:10.12 | jelly | styler2go: ark.intel.com says your Atom only does 1.44GHz sustained and 1.84 burst ("turbo") |
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| 14:10.32 | styler2go | yes, jelly |
| 14:11.01 | SynrGy | on craptastic chipsets, i download vids (e.g. youtube-dl) and use a decent player (mpv, vlc, whatever) |
| 14:11.13 | jelly | SynrGy: afaiui, the OS can suggest whether it wants "performance" or "powersave", but that doesn't mean the cpu will obey if it would mean going over the thermal specs |
| 14:11.23 | SynrGy | nodnod |
| 14:11.56 | SynrGy | 85C is crazy hot |
| 14:12.12 | jelly | mpv can be provided a say, youtube URL directly and will use youtube-dl for streaming |
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| 14:13.10 | jelly | styler2go: that's a 2015 CPU. You'll probably need newer kernel and mesa and video-intel bits than what's in debian 8 |
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| 14:13.22 | TomTomTosch | ark.intel.com says Tjunction 90°. it shouldn't throttle before that. 480 MHz sounds wrong. |
| 14:13.36 | styler2go | jelly, i am using stretch/testing.. can it get newer? :D |
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| 14:14.06 | styler2go | TomTomTosch, yeah.. it says on 480 Mhz most time tho |
| 14:14.41 | TomTomTosch | at times when you expect high performance? |
| 14:15.21 | styler2go | when the cpu is at 70-80% yes |
| 14:15.28 | jelly | styler2go: dunno. Still, compare what chromium does vs. what mpv --hwdec=vaapi does |
| 14:15.43 | styler2go | i will, give me a sec |
| 14:15.50 | SynrGy | styler2go: is it 85C under normal loads or just stress-testing with chromium html5 vid? 65-75 is more typical for my atoms |
| 14:16.00 | SynrGy | (circa 2010 though) |
| 14:16.07 | TomTomTosch | getting the latest microcode might help. |
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| 14:16.16 | jelly | styler2go: then you "merely" need to figure out how to make chromium use all the acceleration it can. For example, make it prefer mp4 to webm |
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| 14:18.27 | jelly | styler2go: make sure i965-va-driver is installed |
| 14:20.43 | jelly | it's a newish atom cpu but designed to be horribly low-powered. I guess anything not using accelerated paths will make it perform around P3-P4 levels |
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| 14:23.42 | bitsimple | any suggestion of free shell where I can host my IRC bot ? |
| 14:23.46 | jelly | styler2go: people in #intel-glx may have more clues about required versions of components in the stack (kernel, xorg, drm, mesa, intel-vaapi) |
| 14:24.05 | styler2go | Thanks jelly |
| 14:24.12 | jelly | sorry, #intel-gfx |
| 14:24.21 | styler2go | btw, mplv shows that it's playing but it doesn't show the actual video |
| 14:24.51 | jelly | styler2go: do you have an example URL? |
| 14:24.58 | grantwu | I believe that since windows 10 update clobbered my bootloader. How can I reinstall GRUB in a way that supports dual booting? |
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| 14:26.05 | jelly | styler2go: with mpv --hwdec=vaapi ... ? |
| 14:26.55 | styler2go | What's vaapi? |
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| 14:27.49 | styler2go | using vaapi results in 0 cou usage... awesome |
| 14:28.01 | jelly | the api intel drivers use for gpu-accelerated video decoding |
| 14:28.03 | styler2go | so it all coems down to an chromium issue |
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| 14:30.00 | jelly | on my sandybridge laptop, usage of vaapi lowers the temp by 2-3°C compared with cpu decoding |
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| 14:30.36 | jelly | (it still heats up a bit, but different parts of the cpu/gpu package) |
| 14:31.00 | styler2go | I probably will need soemthign liek this then? https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/chromium-vaapi/ |
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| 14:33.52 | sauna | I have tried everything to get bash-completion to work with debian 8.6, any help ? |
| 14:33.58 | jelly | styler2go: no idea what build options Debian uses, possibly |
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| 14:35.28 | sauna | More info: 1) reinstall 2) uncommented the stuff from /etc/bash.bashrc and also in /root/.bashrc added to include bash_completion ... nothing works |
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| 14:37.04 | n4dir | should work out of box, shouldn't it? |
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| 14:41.19 | van_ | guys how can i enable spice on qemu?which packages i need? |
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| 14:46.04 | sauna | well |
| 14:46.30 | ChrisH | I followed https://wiki.debian.org/Exim#TLS_and_authentication with my selfsigned certs but openssl s_client is not able to start a TLS connect. mailllog does not show any hints on the root cause. Any other howto at hand? I did not find one. |
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| 14:46.35 | sauna | just figured out that bash-completion works for apt-get install <package> tab tab, but not for apt install <package> tab tab .... crazy |
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| 14:50.42 | bezaban | ChrisH: does the server announce starttls as a supported command when connecting with telnet? |
| 14:51.39 | bezaban | and are you using the STARTTLS flag to openssl |
| 14:53.28 | ChrisH | bezaban: 1. Upon a simple connect I do not see any options beeing shown 2. I tried both ways, but I would prefer TLS over STARTTLS |
| 14:54.23 | ChrisH | on EHLO it does not show STARTTLS |
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| 14:55.13 | bezaban | ChrisH: oh right, I wasn't aware that there was a difference. Is the certificate and key in place, did you reload exim? |
| 14:55.22 | nickgaw | Hi, What user space program displays the kernel messages when I get the core temperature above threshold? |
| 14:55.54 | bezaban | might need to update config, but not sure what the /etc/default/exim4 editing actually does, if it regenerates split-config etc |
| 14:56.00 | ChrisH | nickgaw: dmesg ? |
| 14:56.41 | nickgaw | even during the system's running I get those messages every once in a wile is it still dmesg and is there a way to turn them off? |
| 14:57.24 | ChrisH | bezaban: I did edit these config files and exim4 opens port 465 and even there no STARTTLS is shown. I will continue there later. Thanks so far |
| 14:57.47 | bezaban | I noticed starttls broke on my last dist upgrade, which probably means I haven't done it the debian way. Good luck |
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| 14:58.04 | ChrisH | nickgaw: get better fans, remove the Dust from cooler and fans. reduce the load. Work on the reason not the synmptoms |
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| 14:59.03 | ChrisH | bezaban: As long as it is local mail server only, acessible from local clients and via VPN only its not that important... buit as i just replaced the imap server certificate... :) |
| 14:59.04 | nickgaw | Can laptop fans be replaced or upgraded? |
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| 15:01.28 | missmbob | nickgaw: of course it can be replaced |
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| 15:04.06 | nickgaw | If I wish to install a VNC server can it be setup to run before the login screen so even if I login using the console the server is rrunning to accept connectiongs? |
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| 15:06.25 | exaways | Hello. I got some problems to setup debian on my old macbook. Problem I described here: |
| 15:06.31 | OpenTokix | nickgaw: just use x11-forward in your ssh |
| 15:06.37 | exaways | http://pastebin.com/kXkF9ns3 |
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| 15:11.27 | nickgaw | I know debian does not support paid software but is it ok to install something that is paid then deb package it? |
| 15:12.04 | SynrGy | nickgaw: did you want the vnc server to allow you to login as an arbitrary user? for this, i find xrdp useful (and for stretch, it finally gets an actual RDP backend. yay!) otherwise, I guess you'd need a custom script to start it at boot as the right user. |
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| 15:12.48 | OpenTokix | nickgaw: yes |
| 15:13.13 | SynrGy | nickgaw: I'm not sure how you mean "install ... then deb package it". surely you would package it first and *then* install it? |
| 15:13.13 | nickgaw | What I wish to happen is like X windows where the user is given a login screen and they have to login to the system is VNC not the best option to then give them a GUI to work with? |
| 15:13.31 | nickgaw | yes package then install. |
| 15:13.39 | SynrGy | nickgaw: yes. i use xrdp for exactly that use case. |
| 15:13.54 | SynrGy | VNC is old and horrible. RDP is a better choice |
| 15:14.21 | nickgaw | Does it support sound so sounds would come threw the target system that are generated on the server system? |
| 15:14.24 | SynrGy | however, in jessie, xrdp uses a VNC backend anyway (inefficient) |
| 15:14.50 | SynrGy | but the good news is the new RDP backend has a backport |
| 15:15.13 | SynrGy | ,v xrdp |
| 15:15.14 | judd | Package: xrdp on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.5.0-2; jessie: 0.6.1-2; jessie-backports: 0.9.0~20160601+git703fedd-3~bpo8+1; sid: 0.9.0~20161027+gitc524b06-1; stretch: 0.9.0~20161027+gitc524b06-1 |
| 15:15.18 | SynrGy | ,v xorgxrdp |
| 15:15.20 | judd | Package: xorgxrdp on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.9.0~20160601+git703fedd-3~bpo8+1; sid: 0.9.0~20161027+gitc524b06-1; stretch: 0.9.0~20161027+gitc524b06-1 |
| 15:15.36 | TomTomTosch | nickgaw: that depends on the license of the software. the copyright holder is the one you have to worry about, not debian. |
| 15:15.56 | SynrGy | so if you install xrdp from backports, you should have RDP support from back to front, and RDP certainly supports sound and other media (with the right plugins) |
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| 15:17.18 | nickgaw | I meant for my own personal use. |
| 15:17.30 | SynrGy | nickgaw: i don't know what implementation of RDP xorgxrdp backend actually uses, but i do know that sound works fine with xfreerdp connecting to a Windows RDP system |
| 15:17.58 | SynrGy | sec. i do have a stable box with xrdp from backports installed. i can try connecting and test sound :) |
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| 15:20.58 | nickgaw | I am totally blind and was wondering if I could use orca the GUI screen reader connected to a remote system rather then always just using ssh and the shell? |
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| 15:21.56 | SynrGy | nickgaw: pavucontrol only lists 'dummy output', so i think it might be missing sound (though this could be a configuration problem ... i'm still looking into this) |
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| 15:24.15 | nickgaw | I just don't want to go threw setting something up and then it not work for me. |
| 15:24.38 | SynrGy | nickgaw: from what i'm reading here, https://github.com/neutrinolabs/xrdp/wiki/Audio-Output-Virtual-Channel-support-in-xrdp it may just be a matter of configuration, yes. it's unclear to me whether or not I also need to rebuild xorg from source to make this work, as I haven't looked at the Debian package yet. |
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| 15:25.17 | nickgaw | Would posting to the orca mailing list be the best option? |
| 15:25.36 | SynrGy | nickgaw: but the good news is that upstream says it *is* supported. so it seems to me, you ought to be able to get it to work. how much work is involved in setting it up, though, i don't know. |
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| 15:26.35 | SynrGy | nickgaw: not sure. i don't know what sort of community the orca mailing list is (i.e. this could be considered somewhat off-topic, but if the community doesn't mind the OT-ness, they may help) |
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| 15:27.24 | nickgaw | good point. I will ask a friend on the list first before posting. |
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| 15:28.23 | SynrGy | nickgaw: ideally, Debian should provide module-xrdp-sink.so so that users won't have to build it |
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| 15:29.06 | nickgaw | Can individual x modules be built without the source to the X server or would I need the entire x server sources? |
| 15:29.08 | SynrGy | nickgaw: apt-file search tells me Debian doesn't include this (not even sid) |
| 15:29.28 | ws2k3 | im trying to request a new key for my debian 7 but im not geting an answer from subkeys.php.net requesting key 705A2CE1 from hkp server subkeys.pgp.net anyone an idea why? |
| 15:29.38 | SynrGy | nickgaw: the page I linked gives instructions for determining the pulseaudio version, then download the pulseaudio source, then build the xrdp sink ... then configure to use it |
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| 15:29.58 | SynrGy | nickgaw: that seems like an awful lot of hassle for an end-user. but perhaps some debian developer could help package this. |
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| 15:30.13 | nickgaw | I will take a look at it now. |
| 15:30.27 | SynrGy | nickgaw: K. good luck! |
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| 15:33.42 | kruug | Where do I start troubleshooting why I can't ssh into a local machine? I know the sshd service is running and it's on port 22, but I keep getting "Connection timed out". |
| 15:34.31 | ws2k3 | kruug check /var/log/auth.log and /var/log/syslog |
| 15:35.06 | ws2k3 | kruug you can also try to connect with ssh to the port and enable verbose it might give you a clue where its fails |
| 15:35.14 | RikuKawai | kruug: are either you or the target machine on wifi? |
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| 15:35.52 | kruug | RikuKawai: nope, both VM's on an ESXi server. Same physical box. |
| 15:36.07 | RikuKawai | hmm idk then |
| 15:36.18 | ws2k3 | kruug can you ping them vm's from outside esxi? |
| 15:36.22 | RikuKawai | I thought local machine meant on the same LAN, not two VMs |
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| 15:36.49 | gljoe | hey why are there still so many broken things on debian after more than 2 decades of working on this crap |
| 15:36.54 | kruug | ws2k3: not currently on that network, I'm ssh'd into the first VM, which can access the 2 other VM's. |
| 15:36.57 | missmbob | esxi's firwall could be blocking port 22. that's what i'd look at |
| 15:37.12 | kruug | gljoe: Why are there still so many broken things on Windows after more than 3 decades of working on it? |
| 15:37.25 | ChrisH | kruug: does telnet SERVER 22 get a connect? I assume no. Then it might be routing. |
| 15:37.35 | kruug | No, no connect via telnet |
| 15:37.39 | kruug | Connection time out as well |
| 15:37.55 | ws2k3 | kruug try to ssh with verbose see what it tells you |
| 15:38.02 | ChrisH | kruug: then no ssh issue, but network like routing, firewalling |
| 15:38.02 | gljoe | kru...well its because of those sony bastards that keep making things for the playstation 4 or whatever and then causing windows to be broken because it will not play all their games |
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| 15:38.24 | kruug | gljoe: what does Sony and the PlayStation have to do with PC? |
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| 15:39.06 | kruug | ws2k3: verbose output: https://paste.debian.net/896414/ |
| 15:39.10 | gljoe | kru...hey man if you don't get multimedia ...what can i say....i am sick of all that stuff for the sony versions of playstations....and windows is always broken because it wont play all their stuff |
| 15:39.23 | ChrisH | gljoe: Are you facing a specific issue, then please the th ebot explain how to ask question. If you want to troll, please leave. |
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| 15:39.40 | RikuKawai | I think not playing their stuff has to do with being an entirely different platform |
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| 15:40.23 | ChrisH | kruug: If you are connected on 192.168.1.50 run tcpdump on the corresponding interface and check if the SYN requests arrive |
| 15:40.25 | gljoe | Rik...no its about keeping up with all the multimedia information being passed around on various consoles |
| 15:40.45 | RikuKawai | you're either a troll, incredibly stupid, or don't speak english well |
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| 15:41.03 | kruug | gljoe: what do game consoles have to do with a PC? |
| 15:41.07 | kruug | ChrisH: will do. |
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| 15:41.22 | gljoe | Rik...no do you want to be an ignorant nigger because you don't keep up with all the multimedia information on various consoles with all kinds of gl trickery |
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| 15:41.38 | ewew | Hi. is there a reason for a compiled kernel not to boot with lvm ? |
| 15:41.53 | RikuKawai | what the hell does "multimedia information on various consoles" even mean |
| 15:42.01 | ChrisH | !ops gljoe offtopic |
| 15:42.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: chrish complains about: gljoe offtopic |
| 15:42.09 | missmbob | please ignore the troll (literally use /ignore) |
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| 15:42.40 | ChrisH | ewew: you missed some funtionallity. Why not use a repo kernel |
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| 15:43.02 | ewew | im testing something that requires the custom kernel |
| 15:43.21 | greycat | !kernel handbook |
| 15:43.21 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
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| 15:43.46 | missmbob | if you start with debian's config as base (which ^ shows you how), it's really easy |
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| 15:44.44 | ewew | im afraid i did it as its in the handbook. |
| 15:45.07 | missmbob | did you use make oldconfig after importing debian's? |
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| 15:45.16 | greycat | Well then, figure out which feature you disabled that the kernel needs to have, and go enable it. |
| 15:45.22 | ewew | should be device mapper set to module or in kernel. |
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| 15:45.58 | SynrGy | shoot. for nickgaw if-and-when he returns, #794692 |
| 15:45.59 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/794692 in src:pulseaudio (open, help, upstream): «pulseaudio: please build pulseaudio-module-dev»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2015-08-05; last modified: 2016-10-06. |
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| 15:46.57 | ewew | the odd thing is that it mounts root and usr lvm volume. |
| 15:46.59 | SynrGy | in /usr/share/doc/xrdp/README.Debian it explains "The pulseaudio plugin from sesman/chansrv/pulse should be installed but cannot be built due to lack of a pulseaudio-modules-dev package in Debian: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=794692" |
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| 15:48.15 | ewew | can it be that systemd is interfering ? |
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| 15:52.10 | gljoe | so the point is that those sons of bitches keep releasing multimedia information on different hardware with all kinds of gl trickery and windows has to keep being patched to try to keep their customers informed with all that information |
| 15:52.52 | gljoe | no one can afford to be ignorant of all that information |
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| 15:53.18 | greycat | How does this relate to Debian? |
| 15:53.49 | gljoe | gre...well debian has a little bit of gl support but it still requires a hell of a lot of work to correctly display all that gl trickery |
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| 15:58.00 | gljoe | i am using gl to stand for graphics language....so no ambiguity about this |
| 15:58.54 | gljoe | and every time they keep enhancing the language and using it for graphics purposes ...it makes it difficult for debian to display all of this correctly |
| 15:59.20 | gljoe | not to mention all of the battle engine codes |
| 15:59.31 | gljoe | contained in the multimedia information sets |
| 15:59.45 | greycat | You're just spewing random phrases that I don't understand, or care about. |
| 15:59.57 | ws2k3 | how can i resolve this wheezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 |
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| 16:00.53 | gljoe | gre...well thats too bad for you...just try remaining ignorant in today's societys....hell if you don't even know about gravity why not try to jump off the eiffel tower without a parachute because of your ignorance |
| 16:01.15 | greycat | gljoe: if you don't have a Debian question, please go elsewhere. For example, #debian-offtopic |
| 16:01.16 | ewew | greycat me ? |
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| 16:04.59 | jak2000 | hi all apache question (sorry i am banned from the official channel, not know why) how to create a virtualhost not for a domain, this virtualhost is for: 192.168.1.101 any advice where to start? |
| 16:06.05 | greycat | https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/vhosts/ |
| 16:06.28 | gljoe | jak..nobody gives out that kind of information ...do you know how many millions of dollars are tied up in thousands of virtual domains |
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| 16:06.46 | gljoe | jak..you think we want to starve just so you can understand something |
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| 16:08.42 | jak2000 | gljoe i am on my lan and want access to webpage via ip |
| 16:08.54 | greycat | jak2000: he's a troll. Ignore what he said. |
| 16:09.04 | ewew | jak2000 i guess you dont have registred account. |
| 16:09.19 | ewew | and not registred are not allowed in there. |
| 16:09.47 | grumble | ewew: as a /whois will show, they are logged in to a nickserv account |
| 16:10.03 | jak2000 | ok |
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| 16:10.32 | ewew | grumle maybe my client has a lag. |
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| 16:10.52 | ChrisH | jak2000: I am not sure if virtual host works for an IP. I allways used a hostname instead. |
| 16:10.54 | grumble | jak2000: it appears a ban in #httpd-bansfyc matches you (those are "fix your connection" bans, your connection probably was flapping a bunch). you should probably join #httpd-ops and ask to be unbanned |
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| 16:11.03 | greycat | The "account : name" thing is much more subtle than it used to be. Didn't it used to say something like "Is registered"? |
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| 16:18.05 | ws2k3 | how can i resolve this wheezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 |
| 16:18.27 | ws2k3 | i already tryed to add new keys but it does not seems to work |
| 16:18.28 | greycat | In the minutes since you last asked that, did you try again? |
| 16:18.33 | ewew | ws2k3 get a update on that key id. |
| 16:18.38 | ws2k3 | how |
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| 16:19.14 | ewew | ws2k3 wheezy is now oldstable |
| 16:19.24 | greycat | Which mirror are you using, did you try apt-get update again, is this a new problem, when did it start, did you change anything, .... |
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| 16:21.02 | greycat | ewew: and my several wheezy machines are not experiencing this problem. It's most likely one bad mirror or something. |
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| 16:21.32 | ewew | greycat im not blaming anyone for that. |
| 16:21.36 | OerHeks | or mirror is in sync now, happens now and then |
| 16:21.53 | ws2k3 | so how can i get a new key for this? |
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| 16:22.05 | greycat | ws2k3: Which mirror are you using, did you try apt-get update again, is this a new problem, when did it start, did you change anything, .... |
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| 16:22.27 | ws2k3 | i didnt change anything it started 5 mins ago. its a new problem |
| 16:22.35 | ws2k3 | im using ftp.nl.debian.org |
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| 16:22.47 | greycat | So it's probably a mirror glitch. Try the update again. If the problem persists, choose a different mirror. |
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| 16:23.12 | ws2k3 | my other debian servers using the same mirror are not having this issue |
| 16:23.20 | greycat | Exactly! |
| 16:23.24 | greycat | It's a glitch! |
| 16:23.49 | DigbyMW | Hi there! Is there any kind of monitor calibration wizard for debian? such as the one on windows. The colors on my screen are all wrong. |
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| 16:24.35 | ws2k3 | greycat i changed the mirror and now i have only one error |
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| 16:25.26 | greycat | dpkg, glitch is also a short-lived problem that can't be explained or reproduced |
| 16:25.26 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 16:25.58 | ws2k3 | now it only complains about 9D6D8F6BC857C906 |
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| 16:26.54 | jmcnaught | DigbyMW: GNOME has a colour calibration tool in its settings |
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| 16:27.48 | DigbyMW | jmcnaught: I don't actually have gnome, whats the name of the program? |
| 16:27.59 | DigbyMW | i can install it |
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| 16:29.03 | RikuKawai | DigbyMW: try just installing gnome-control-center |
| 16:29.19 | DigbyMW | ok |
| 16:29.27 | jmcnaught | DigbyMW: it's gnome-color-manager and colord, it's not clear if it will work if you don't use GNOME |
| 16:29.46 | RikuKawai | DigbyMW: what desktop do you use? |
| 16:30.04 | DigbyMW | openbox with i3 |
| 16:30.37 | RikuKawai | ok so not something similar to gnome at all |
| 16:30.52 | DigbyMW | wont gnome apps still work? |
| 16:31.08 | DigbyMW | I'm guessing openbox has a tool for it actually |
| 16:31.18 | DigbyMW | should have checked that :P |
| 16:31.25 | RikuKawai | openbox is just a window manager though |
| 16:31.31 | RikuKawai | err display manager |
| 16:31.36 | RikuKawai | actually idek |
| 16:31.38 | greycat | No, WM was right. |
| 16:31.48 | DigbyMW | in that case |
| 16:32.00 | DigbyMW | i dont even know what desktop environment i have |
| 16:32.06 | DigbyMW | lol |
| 16:32.10 | greycat | You probably don't have one, then. |
| 16:32.17 | DigbyMW | how do i check? |
| 16:32.32 | RikuKawai | i3 is also a window manager |
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| 16:32.53 | RikuKawai | I'm not sure how you could have both running at the same time |
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| 16:33.01 | DigbyMW | maybe i dont |
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| 16:33.11 | DigbyMW | i installed crunchbang |
| 16:33.15 | DigbyMW | and then installed i3 |
| 16:33.15 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 16:33.19 | greycat | !crunchbang |
| 16:33.19 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 16:33.48 | DigbyMW | sorry |
| 16:33.56 | DigbyMW | i thought they were very compatible |
| 16:34.03 | DigbyMW | all debian things seem to work on here |
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| 16:34.15 | DigbyMW | well thanks anyhow |
| 16:34.17 | greycat | They may seem similar at first, until suddenly they're not. |
| 16:34.31 | RikuKawai | crunchbang is also discontinued |
| 16:34.42 | DigbyMW | im using the bunsen labs version |
| 16:34.51 | DigbyMW | which is not discontinued |
| 16:35.01 | greycat | So go ask them for help. |
| 16:35.10 | DigbyMW | yes, yes |
| 16:35.12 | DigbyMW | i know |
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| 16:35.31 | DigbyMW | so long and thanks for all the fish |
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| 16:36.02 | greycat | Which is very similar to what it says in /topic #crunchbang |
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| 16:37.17 | RikuKawai | So long, and thanks for all the fish is the proper quote |
| 16:37.51 | RikuKawai | the topic on #crunchbang incorrectly changed thanks to thank you |
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| 16:42.16 | hiyo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:43.55 | nkuttler | hiyo: install iptables-persistent? |
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| 16:45.53 | missmbob | or read https://wiki.debian.org/iptables "storing iptables rules in a file"...which is safer. it'd be fun to have yourself blocked by iptables by accident and then rebooting with iptables-persistent |
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| 17:01.45 | hiyo | nkuttler: missmbob:I did install iptables-persistent and it was working fine up until my update to Jessie, then it doesn't restore my rules right |
| 17:02.22 | hiyo | and I just need to add some simple routing rules for my VPN that's all |
| 17:03.11 | hiyo | missmbob: I followed that wiki page before and my box got stuck on startup |
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| 17:08.04 | azz_kikkr | \ping mrswaak |
| 17:08.04 | mrswaak | \query azz_kikkr |
| 17:08.09 | azz_kikkr | lol |
| 17:08.46 | mrswaak | \query #azz_kikkr |
| 17:08.54 | mrswaak | \query azz_kikkr |
| 17:09.02 | greycat | Stop it. |
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| 17:17.32 | Iridos | it's forward-slashes "/", not backward ones "\" that are used for commands⦠and you might want to not write your failed attempts to a 2000-people channel |
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| 17:20.18 | Pseudo | What version of debian are now |
| 17:20.41 | greycat | Current stable is jessie, Debian 8 |
| 17:21.28 | Pseudo | I have an incompatible debian on my 10 inches monitor. No graphics card |
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| 17:23.15 | missmbob | !se |
| 17:23.16 | dpkg | Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net), SE is also the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for Sweden, it was included in the standard 1974. |
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| 17:37.46 | Kuroe | where does the 'src' come from in the output of `ip route`? How can I set it? So far I have tried to set it in /etc/network/interfaces http://sprunge.us/aLFe |
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| 17:42.21 | Iridos | it's described in man 8 ip-route |
| 17:43.23 | hiyo | I guess to clarify my question, how do I fix iptables-persistent? |
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| 17:44.53 | hugleo | hiyo: dpkg-reconfigure iptables-persistent |
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| 17:47.44 | hiyo | yes I have saved my rules before |
| 17:48.10 | hiyo | hugleo: I have run that command and saved the rules before, but still it won't restore them after reboot |
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| 17:48.42 | hiyo | hugleo: systemd says there's an error in starting netfilter-peristent, which is a part of iptables-persistent |
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| 17:51.49 | hugleo | hiyo: journalctl -u netfilter-persistent.service |
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| 17:56.39 | medfly | Hi. I'm building an old compiler. how's that multilib stuff supposed to work out when I don't have crti.o in where I would normally expect it to be? is there a gcc-yes-i-want-64bit-please? |
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| 17:59.15 | Neytiri | hi i am trung to setup my debian box as a router, bwtween 2 sites with a vpn connection, i have the vpn working and everythign works fine, but traffic is natted, i dont want the traffic to be natted between the local netwrok and the remote network over the vpn |
| 17:59.27 | Neytiri | i have static routes set at the remote network and local |
| 17:59.31 | Neytiri | if i DONT do iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE traffic from the remote netwrok cant access the local |
| 17:59.44 | Neytiri | is there something i am missing? |
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| 18:01.22 | hiyo | hugleo: http://pastebin.com/zrC6bTEm |
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| 18:03.52 | RikuKawai | why does debian crap out so much when dealing with multiple wifi adapters? |
| 18:04.17 | RikuKawai | sometimes it connects to both with different IPs on each like intended |
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| 18:04.30 | RikuKawai | but other times it will only connect with one or the other |
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| 18:04.56 | RikuKawai | or it connects on both but they both get the same IP and the network unsurprisingly does not work properly |
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| 18:07.30 | Cueball | Hi all. Having an issue with IPv6 over PPPoE. I can ping a host but connections just timout. |
| 18:07.51 | unkmar | So, I am running debian 8.6 and... Isn't openjdk 8 available for that? |
| 18:07.57 | Cueball | The box was on Wheezy and worked fine until an apt-get upgrade. |
| 18:08.46 | Cueball | But have since upgraded to Jessie to try and sort the problem but it hasn't :( |
| 18:08.56 | jhutchins | Cueball: iptables -L? |
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| 18:09.00 | missmbob | ,v openjdk-8-jre |
| 18:09.01 | `Kevin | Neytiri: do a tcp dump on each interface see where the traffic stops |
| 18:09.04 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jre on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u111-b14-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 8u111-b14-3; sid: 8u111-b14-3 |
| 18:09.12 | unkmar | Why do I only see openjdk-7 ? |
| 18:09.19 | missmbob | unkmar: ^ it's in jessie-backports |
| 18:09.23 | jhutchins | Cueball: What about ipv4? |
| 18:09.27 | RikuKawai | you need to add jessie-backports to your apt sources |
| 18:09.27 | missmbob | !tell unkmar about jessie-backports |
| 18:09.29 | Cueball | jhutchins: Already got a clear ip6tables -L |
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| 18:09.44 | unkmar | Thank you. |
| 18:09.44 | Cueball | jhutchins: IPv4 is fine! |
| 18:09.55 | jhutchins | Cueball: Interesting. |
| 18:10.11 | Cueball | jhutchins: Yep. This issue is confusing a lot of people. |
| 18:10.24 | jhutchins | Cueball: My guess would be that either the service isn't listening on ipv6 or the address isn't really what you think it is. |
| 18:10.39 | `Kevin | Cueball: MTU issue? |
| 18:10.48 | jhutchins | Cueball: That seems to have happened to me a lot when messing with ipv6. |
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| 18:10.59 | RikuKawai | what's the difference between openjdk and the oracle jdk anyway? |
| 18:11.29 | Cueball | The service is there. Other can connect to it fine. |
| 18:12.02 | Dagger | Cueball: maybe a dumb question, but anything in ip6tables-save? (i.e. is there anything in the non-filter tables?) |
| 18:12.18 | hugleo | hiyo: iptables-restore < /etc/iptables/rules.v4 shows some error? |
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| 18:13.41 | Cueball | Dagger: Empty |
| 18:14.18 | `Kevin | Cueball: ping with different data sizes up to your configured mtu see if it fails |
| 18:14.30 | RikuKawai | nvm apparently it's just a different license |
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| 18:14.54 | `Kevin | eg ping -s xxxx |
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| 18:15.06 | missmbob | RikuKawai: they're not always binary compatible either. bugs can happen in one and not the other. |
| 18:15.10 | Neytiri | `Kevin: looking at the massive spam of traffic it seems to be making its way out from thre tunnel out the eth interface but failing after that |
| 18:15.42 | RikuKawai | I just read they were built from the same source code |
| 18:16.00 | RikuKawai | anyway, I use the oracle one |
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| 18:16.34 | `Kevin | Neytiri: if you just run a ping you can set a tcpdump filter icmp, do you see it go in the other machine? |
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| 18:17.59 | hiyo | hugleo: ran fine as root, can't run it as sudo though |
| 18:18.09 | Neytiri | im not seeing replys. just requests |
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| 18:18.48 | `Kevin | on the target machine you see the requests? |
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| 18:19.06 | Neytiri | the target machine is windows |
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| 18:19.14 | `Kevin | you can use wireshark |
| 18:19.31 | Neytiri | i see the request leaving the debian box on the eth0 interface |
| 18:19.48 | medfly | helloo |
| 18:19.48 | f31n | hi there, i just figured out that my ntop displays 1,4 gb data traffic from mail_pop, but when i do lsof -i :25; or netstat -tanpl|grep :25; the output is empty? how can i trace if my server is sending loads of emails i don't want to send? |
| 18:19.57 | medfly | is there a debian package that will put a file called crti.o in /usr/lib? |
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| 18:20.19 | greycat | ,file /usr/lib/crti.o |
| 18:20.21 | `Kevin | you should verify it is hitting windows with the proper IPs etc via wireshark then its windows troubleshooting after that if wireshark doesnt show a response |
| 18:20.23 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 18:20.28 | medfly | :( |
| 18:21.28 | missmbob | there's libc6-dev which puts it in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu and libc6-dev-i386 which puts it in /usr/lib32/ |
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| 18:22.33 | medfly | hmm. thanks |
| 18:23.20 | `Kevin | f31n: pop is a different port than 25 which is smtp |
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| 18:24.31 | f31n | `Kevin: thanks for that correction, so its actually not sending but receiving, at least i'm not sending spam |
| 18:25.09 | hugleo | hiyo: iptables-restore < /etc/iptables/rules.v6 also with no error? |
| 18:25.29 | f31n | `Kevin: but also on port 110 or 995 there is noone listening ... |
| 18:26.28 | missmbob | hiyo: it's because redirection doesnt work with sudo like that. if you must use sudo you need to do sudo sh -c 'foo < foolio' for example |
| 18:27.12 | missmbob | hiyo: or you can put the command in a script and just sudo foo.sh |
| 18:27.39 | `Kevin | f31n: can you get the actual ip:port out of ntop instead of it saying pop |
| 18:27.44 | Cueball | `Kevin: Just tried pings upto 1492 ( my max) and it was fine. |
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| 18:28.23 | hiyo | missmbob: I never knew that! |
| 18:28.41 | `Kevin | Cueball: i would think PPoE would require a lower mtu since it is encapsulating v6 which is larger ... but i havent dug into that was just a random thought |
| 18:28.56 | `Kevin | PPPoE/ |
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| 18:29.59 | hiyo | hugleo: error occurred at line 59. However my computer and ISP don't support IPv6 |
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| 18:31.37 | hiyo | hugleo: rule that's messing it up is -A ufw6-before-forward -m rt --rt-type 0 --rt-segsleft 0 -j DROP |
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| 18:32.23 | hiyo | hugleo: should I remove it? I have barely an idea what any of this does. I just add 3 rules to have my VPN traffic routed through |
| 18:33.28 | Neytiri | `Kevin: the windows laptop is getting the request but its showing no responce found? |
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| 18:35.05 | `Kevin | Neytiri: quick google suggests maybe windows firewall or it doesn't have a route back |
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| 18:35.43 | Neytiri | the windows box as well as the router here has static routes back. adn can ping into the remote netwrk regardless |
| 18:35.48 | Neytiri | im looking at the firewall now |
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| 18:36.04 | hugleo | hiyo: Yes! If you don't use ipv6 i think that you will not need it anyway. You can save a backup of the whole file for be safe ;-) |
| 18:38.48 | Cueball | `Kevin: I've even tried setting my MTU to lower values to no avail. But like I said before I've had the same setup for years and same MTU with no packet loss. |
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| 18:42.00 | Neytiri | `Kevin: thanks for your help i figured it out |
| 18:42.12 | `Kevin | :) nice |
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| 18:48.24 | hiyo | hugleo: I think that worked |
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| 18:51.24 | f31n | `Kevin: i'd love to ^^ there is an issue with the old version of ntop, it's displaying mail_pop wrongly its the https port 443 |
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| 18:57.47 | hfp | Hi, I compiled libsane from sources because 1.0.24 has an issue with my scanner. But I forgot to checkout the right tag so I built 1.0.26 instead of 1.0.25. I thought I could just checkout the tag and run config make make install again... It kinda worked but not totally. scanimage now reports that it is at version 1.0.25 but the backend is 1.0.26. How do I totally undo the result od make make install and |
| 18:57.52 | hfp | start over with the proper tag? Do I just `find / -name sane` and rm anything it shows or is it more than that? |
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| 18:58.24 | greycat | Usually "make distclean", but that depends on how the makefile was created. |
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| 18:58.50 | jelly | greycat: I think they wish for "make uninstall" |
| 18:59.32 | jelly | given that they did a "make install" instead of packaging up the newer version |
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| 18:59.54 | greycat | Usually you'd just let the other one overwrite the prior one. |
| 19:00.13 | greycat | With a version difference this small I wouldn't expect one of them to have files that the other is missing. |
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| 19:01.00 | greycat | ("make uninstall" is pretty rare) |
| 19:01.01 | jelly | hfp: it really depends on what "make install" actually did, and whether you did something silly like using a prefix=/usr or let the defaults put the compiled stuff under /usr/local |
| 19:01.19 | jelly | hope fully |
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| 19:01.56 | medfly_ | So, trying to force with CFLAGS to build older compilers on debian, I still cannot convince it to work. |
| 19:02.04 | medfly_ | it's ignoring them/ |
| 19:02.14 | medfly_ | I don't think any old gcc will build |
| 19:02.31 | greycat | "I'm on debian ___ and I am tryig to build gcc version ___ and I typed ___ and it said ___" |
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| 19:02.41 | hiyo | hugleo: I'll brb, gotta restart this box to make sure its working |
| 19:03.04 | medfly_ | "I'm on debian <literally any ever> and I wanted to buidl gcc <not the latest, 4.1 in this case> and it failed to find crti.o because /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ is not in a typical search directory for compilers befoer now" |
| 19:03.09 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 19:03.25 | missmbob | that's lunch time, folks |
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| 19:04.21 | Broken_Bells | if i wanna learn lua, what package should i install to get the interpreter? |
| 19:04.47 | medfly_ | and now /usr/lib doesn't have crti.o |
| 19:05.02 | jelly | judd: whatprovides lua |
| 19:05.03 | judd | Package lua in jessie/amd64 is provided by: lua50, lua5.1, lua5.2. |
| 19:05.04 | Iridos | the stuff you put <stuff> for⦠was supposed to be version numbers |
| 19:05.32 | medfly_ | It is 8-stretchalphawhateverthing. I don't even know what these versions are |
| 19:05.35 | medfly_ | numbers |
| 19:05.45 | greycat | Iridos: clearly we're supposed to psychically know what his problem is |
| 19:05.46 | medfly_ | alpha8? |
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| 19:06.01 | Broken_Bells | thanks, jelly |
| 19:06.03 | jelly | <troi> I sense frustration |
| 19:06.05 | Iridos | "not 4.1" wasn't really a version number of gcc, |
| 19:06.11 | medfly_ | 4.1 is a version of gcc |
| 19:06.18 | Iridos | <spock> emotions are inferior |
| 19:06.33 | Iridos | but "not the latest 4.1" is not |
| 19:06.45 | medfly_ | that's why there's a comma there |
| 19:07.26 | medfly_ | So, things expect stuff to be in /lib or /usr/lib, but now debian put them in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, and those things are not respecting CFLAGS/LDFLAGS, build with their own linke rscript (their own compiler, even), and now they are not searching in the directory you put stuff in |
| 19:07.34 | Iridos | ah |
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| 19:08.28 | jhutchins | ,v handbrake |
| 19:08.29 | judd | Package: handbrake on amd64 -- wheezy-multimedia: 0.9.8+git20121007-dmo7; wheezy-backports: 0.9.9+dfsg-2~2.gbpa4c3e9~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.9.9+svn6422+dfsg1-2; stretch: 0.10.5+ds1-2+b2; sid: 0.10.5+ds1-2+b2; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.10.1-dmo3+1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.10.5-dmo4 |
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| 19:09.34 | medfly_ | I believe I have fetched this: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/stretch_di_alpha8/amd64/iso-cd/debian-stretch-DI-alpha8-amd64-netinst.iso -- I've thought 8 is current, so I don't really understand what is going on with versioning |
| 19:09.45 | password2 | whats handbrake again? |
| 19:09.56 | password2 | dvd ripper? |
| 19:10.06 | sIRwa2 | transcoder? |
| 19:10.36 | jelly | medfly_: that's a pre-release of upcoming debian-installer, alpha quality |
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| 19:10.50 | KidCartouche | utf8 support is something beautifull |
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| 19:10.55 | jelly | probably installs stretch (testing branch) by default |
| 19:10.59 | greycat | prevents your computer from sliding off the desk when you park on a hill? |
| 19:10.59 | KidCartouche | usb 1-2: SerialNumber: ã±ã³ãµã ·ã¸ã¶ã´ã² |
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| 19:14.36 | password2 | i fiddle with my handbrake at night |
| 19:14.38 | medfly_ | ok .thanks |
| 19:14.51 | Bonn333 | is changing password to password2 |
| 19:15.00 | medfly_ | not hunter2? |
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| 19:17.33 | password2 | the hunter2 joke is overplayed like your mom |
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| 19:17.49 | medfly_ | I hope my mom is having a good time thne |
| 19:18.10 | password2 | she had a good time last night |
| 19:18.24 | medfly_ | that's good to hear |
| 19:19.14 | jelly | ##childish_retorts channel is over there --> |
| 19:19.31 | unkmar | I use my handprake to make my car skid sideways. |
| 19:19.35 | password2 | jelly, you would know |
| 19:19.37 | unkmar | Works best in the rain. |
| 19:19.46 | password2 | prake you say? |
| 19:20.01 | unkmar | eh, Handbrake. |
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| 19:22.13 | password2 | i think this must be the boring adult section though |
| 19:23.38 | Iridos | medfly_, well, a) install jessie, that is "debian 8" and the current stable distribution⦠and you don't really need the newest experimental packages from testing to install software from 2005 or so |
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| 19:23.51 | password2 | anyway , I'm out of here |
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| 19:24.10 | medfly_ | ;) |
| 19:25.46 | jelly | who knows how gcc6 or whatever's going to be the default in stretch does things |
| 19:26.11 | Iridos | medfly_, and b) it's generally not recommended to mix packages from different distributions, but in this case these are name-versioned packages made to run next to other versions of the same thing⦠I think I'd just install gcc-4.1-base_4.1.1-21_amd64.deb cpp-4.1_4.1.1-21_amd64.deb libssp0_4.1.1-21_amd64.deb gcc-4.1_4.1.1-21_amd64.deb from http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian-archive/20110127T084257Z/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-4.1/ |
| 19:26.43 | medfly_ | There's a long story that soudns stupid for why I wwould like it to build |
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| 19:26.47 | medfly_ | rather than have it |
| 19:26.54 | jelly | Iridos: and libstdc++_who_knows_what |
| 19:27.20 | Iridos | jelly, no, actually not, I just tried it :) |
| 19:27.37 | jelly | back when gcc was written in C |
| 19:27.45 | medfly_ | men were men, and GCC was written in C |
| 19:27.49 | Iridos | yeah, ain't it amazing |
| 19:28.39 | Iridos | well, if this is about the learning experience about how to build it⦠you shouldn't ask us but read documentation |
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| 19:31.49 | Iridos | jelly, ldd gcc-4.1 actually says linux-vdso.so.1 libc.so.6 /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 |
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| 19:34.49 | alexp | Hi, can anyone help me with an "selinux" error? |
| 19:35.08 | alexp | http://pastebin.com/fZthLZR0 |
| 19:37.14 | medfly_ | the long story is a package manager for building from source, linux is supported but not commonly used, and it would be nice if it automagically could build a fortran compiler, although maybe we can just tell people to use debian fortran |
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| 19:37.45 | jelly | alexp: you seem to have repos configured for kali, not debian |
| 19:37.47 | jelly | !kali |
| 19:37.47 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 19:38.20 | jelly | alexp: debian does not have selinux enabled by default (and the policies are not really usable anyway) |
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| 19:38.32 | alexp | ;_( |
| 19:38.35 | medfly_ | perhaps I can use a big hammer to pass -B/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu |
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| 19:38.59 | medfly_ | CFLAGS not sufficiently big :) |
| 19:39.45 | jelly | do you need OS compiler's crti.o or xgcc one's or what, really? |
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| 19:40.37 | jelly | possibly someone in #gcc has a clue about building gcc on a modern system |
| 19:41.03 | medfly_ | thx |
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| 19:42.01 | sparky4 | 486 with 128mb of ram |
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| 19:42.17 | sparky4 | it is running etch... is it possible to upgrade it to lenny or squeeze? |
| 19:42.17 | medfly_ | I have a recent machine with that much RAM) |
| 19:42.39 | sparky4 | ww |
| 19:42.41 | medfly_ | fits in my palm |
| 19:42.45 | sparky4 | wtf |
| 19:43.05 | sparky4 | model name: Am5x86-WB |
| 19:43.07 | sparky4 | wwww |
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| 19:45.43 | RikuKawai | sparky4: that's 21 year old hardware... |
| 19:46.17 | Bonn333 | o_o |
| 19:46.33 | Bonn333 | seriously 21 years old hardware? |
| 19:46.34 | Bonn333 | ;o |
| 19:46.44 | Bonn333 | wow |
| 19:46.47 | medfly_ | if it was not x86 it would be cool |
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| 19:47.24 | Bonn333 | medfly_ :p |
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| 19:47.58 | RikuKawai | it might be a newer embedded device and not a 21 year old PC |
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| 19:49.44 | RikuKawai | sparky4: what do you use this machine for exactly? |
| 19:50.46 | medfly_ | my friend has a machine like this he keeps around because it is PCI mode 2. |
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| 19:52.29 | RikuKawai | medfly_: what's PCI mode 2? |
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| 19:52.40 | RikuKawai | PCI-X? |
| 19:53.04 | danke | i made a hotfix for a package, rebuilt and installed it on my machine. now debian wants to reinstall the one from jessie i guess since my local one isn't mentioned in sources.list. should i be pinning or holding? |
| 19:53.31 | danke | or should i be changing the version in the one i build? |
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| 19:55.27 | medfly_ | an unfortunate mistake of history, between PCI 1.0 standard and PCI 2.0, I think something about 32bit vs. 64bit |
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| 19:57.08 | greycat | danke: best approach is to increment your package's version number by a tiny bit, e.g. from 1.2-3 to 1.2-3danke1 |
| 19:58.00 | danke | greycat, fantastic. that means i'll get back to official when there's an update? |
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| 19:58.07 | medfly_ | It also reports the wrong thing in BIOS:) |
| 19:58.15 | greycat | Hopefully, yes. |
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| 20:16.56 | kruug | So, when I try to SSH into my webserver, I get "Connection Timed Out". Here's the tcpdump: https://i.imgur.com/xRo4hDZ.png |
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| 20:17.09 | kruug | The client and the server are both on the same VM Host |
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| 20:18.57 | jubo2 | kruug: Immediatelly upon connecting or at some point in time after logging in? |
| 20:19.12 | kruug | during the connection process. I don't actually get connected via ssh |
| 20:19.42 | jubo2 | kruug: then I dunno anything to help you with, sorry. |
| 20:20.06 | jubo2 | sometimes if ssh tunnels keep on freezing or crashing running tmux inside it will keep it alive |
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| 20:20.24 | kruug | I haven't had mid-session disconnections (yet) |
| 20:20.31 | jubo2 | I'll need to write a very good and detailed reclamation to my operator about that btw |
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| 20:22.50 | kruug | Here's the `ssh -vvv` output: https://paste.debian.net/896454/ |
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| 20:24.51 | kruug | `ps -aux | grep ssh` shows the sshd process running |
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| 20:31.14 | SweetPear | What language should you learn if you want to program in Debian? |
| 20:31.47 | kruug | If I want to allow any IP to ssh into a box, it would be `iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT` correct? |
| 20:31.52 | kruug | SweetPear: C |
| 20:32.03 | greycat | If you can learn C and sh, you can handle most things. |
| 20:32.26 | `Kevin | [20:17] < kruug> The client and the server are both on the same VM Host |
| 20:32.31 | `Kevin | can you elaborate? |
| 20:32.38 | SweetPear | So C is the most advanced? |
| 20:32.46 | greycat | It's the most fundamental. |
| 20:33.01 | kruug | `Kevin: I have an ESXi box with 4 active VMs. One of the 4 is not accepting incoming SSH connections from the other 3 VMs. |
| 20:33.13 | greycat | If you're looking for bells and whistles and robotic arms and ray guns, that'd be C++ or Java. |
| 20:33.22 | kruug | greycat: or C# |
| 20:33.24 | kruug | :P |
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| 20:34.01 | `Kevin | kruug: you only need that iptables line if you indeed are blocking by default or have other deny rules in place blocking 22 |
| 20:34.16 | kruug | `Kevin: gotcha. There aren't any other rules that I'm aware of |
| 20:34.25 | `Kevin | kruug: `iptables-save` |
| 20:34.32 | SweetPear | Is there any only course for C? |
| 20:34.56 | SweetPear | online* |
| 20:35.24 | kruug | I think MIT has one |
| 20:35.26 | Atm0spher1c | nope |
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| 20:35.52 | n4dir | SweetPear: I think C Programming - a modern approach ; by K.N. King is a good one. |
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| 20:36.33 | kruug | `Kevin: what does that do? |
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| 20:36.41 | kruug | it's still not allowing inward ssh |
| 20:36.49 | SweetPear | Books... :P |
| 20:36.53 | `Kevin | kruug: prints out the current rule-set, man iptables-save |
| 20:37.48 | sudosudosudo | Where can I find apt repository list? I added an item with add-apt-repository and thought it would go to /etc/apt/sources.list but it is not there |
| 20:38.13 | kruug | `Kevin: grep 22 on that shows nothing for the ssh port |
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| 20:38.35 | kruug | sudosudosudo: could be in /etc/apt/<repository> |
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| 20:39.14 | william_ | How do i configure my debian networking correctly? |
| 20:39.18 | `Kevin | kruug: right but are there DROP or REJECT etc entries |
| 20:39.39 | TomTomTosch | sudosudosudo: is that ubuntu you are using? |
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| 20:39.56 | kruug | `Kevin: 4 ufw- things have DROP in them |
| 20:40.29 | kruug | `Kevin: and ufw-user-limit has REJECT |
| 20:40.30 | william_ | Or how do i restor all networking filles to roginal? |
| 20:40.30 | jelly | sudosudosudo: it's in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 20:40.33 | sudosudosudo | tomtomtosch: debian. I am a newb however and learn mostly from trial and error. the command may have been from a ubuntu source |
| 20:40.35 | `Kevin | ok so ok so you need to configure ufw |
| 20:40.46 | jelly | kruug: there's no such thing as /etc/apt/<repository> |
| 20:40.50 | `Kevin | given the default policy seems to drop |
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| 20:41.00 | `Kevin | kruug: https://wiki.debian.org/Uncomplicated%20Firewall%20(ufw) |
| 20:41.24 | jhutchins | sudosudosudo: I just edit my sources.list, but you might look in sources.list.d/ |
| 20:41.50 | kruug | jelly: I swear I've seen non-`sources.list` entries. |
| 20:41.55 | TomTomTosch | sudosudosudo: what jelly said. add-apt-repository decides on the fly weather to put sources in /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 20:42.05 | kruug | `Kevin: wow...thanks. did `sudo ufw allow ssh` and that was it! |
| 20:42.08 | `Kevin | kruug: if you are going to use ufw then i wouldnt use iptable commands by hand, it should be one or the other |
| 20:42.11 | `Kevin | kruug: yep |
| 20:42.13 | sudosudosudo | Thanks. it was indeed in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 20:42.13 | apt | no problem, sudosudosudo |
| 20:42.19 | kruug | I didn't even know ufw was installed. |
| 20:42.26 | kruug | thanks for the help! |
| 20:42.29 | TomTomTosch | s/weather/whether/ |
| 20:43.43 | jhutchins | Sorry for the redundancy. |
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| 20:44.26 | william_ | How do i restore networking on debian? |
| 20:44.34 | n4dir | SweetPear: i am not sure what exactly you are asking for. http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/index.html |
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| 20:45.05 | jelly | TomTomTosch: I've never seen it do anything else but create a separate file there, even if the code seems to use all the places |
| 20:45.10 | n4dir | else linuxquestions.org, forum, subforum Programming has a sticky about C too. |
| 20:45.39 | jelly | hmm |
| 20:45.43 | jelly | Thanks. |
| 20:45.48 | jelly | Thanks. blahblah apt |
| 20:45.48 | apt | bitte, jelly |
| 20:45.54 | jelly | Thanks. blahblah apt blah |
| 20:45.54 | apt | de rien, jelly |
| 20:46.01 | jelly | /o\ |
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| 20:52.24 | TomTomTosch | jelly: it will add stuff concerning the main sources in /etc/apt/sources.list sudo add-apt-repository non-free for example. the man page is rather vague on how that's controlled. |
| 20:52.37 | jelly | magic |
| 20:52.44 | TomTomTosch | probably. |
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| 20:58.41 | hfp | greycat, jelly: Thanks, make uninstall and make distclean both worked. I run these two commands and it did some things. I'll start over compilation now |
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| 20:59.46 | malinus | Hello. Any idea how to configure one of those new fancy '4G' usb modems that automagically becomes a usb-network-interface after a usb_modeswitch? There is no tty that I can connect to or anything, and I want to change the APN. |
| 21:00.03 | malinus | (this is on a headless device btw. so no network manager) |
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| 21:01.58 | dumbl3d0re | I have made an minimal Debian installation (i.e. without any extra packages). How do I connect to the internet with wire? |
| 21:03.03 | dumbl3d0re | I asked this some days ago and got the answer "ifup eth0" and/or (the person didn't say) "dhclient eth0". My installation doesn't have any of these commands. |
| 21:03.40 | missmbob | probably because you werent root |
| 21:04.26 | missmbob | and by probably i mean definitely |
| 21:04.30 | dumbl3d0re | Haha, it that so easy? |
| 21:04.35 | missmbob | yes |
| 21:04.59 | dumbl3d0re | But shouln't it complain that I don't have permission instead of saying that the commands doensn't exist? |
| 21:05.40 | missmbob | no. they're not in the normal user's path |
| 21:06.01 | dumbl3d0re | Ah, okey! Thank for the help (again!) missmbob! |
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| 21:07.31 | dumbl3d0re | Do I need to use both commands, or is it one of them? |
| 21:07.39 | unkmar | both |
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| 21:08.00 | unkmar | Apparently, it says to use one. and... many times ifup eth0 will be enough. |
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| 21:08.33 | unkmar | Othertimes dhclient eth0 is needed to force an attempt to acquire an IP via DHCP. |
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| 21:10.36 | dumbl3d0re | unkmar: Thanks for the help! :) |
| 21:11.07 | abrotman | apt: root |
| 21:11.07 | apt | [root] not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. |
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| 21:13.57 | jelly | apt: wheezy |
| 21:13.57 | apt | from memory, wheezy is what fire_hawk thinks Debian 3.0 should be dubbed; Wheezy is the toy penguin from Toy Story 2. |
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| 21:14.57 | jelly | so, pre-woody stuff |
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| 21:17.36 | jhutchins | Wasn't wheezy the one after etch? |
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| 21:17.45 | greycat | no., |
| 21:17.52 | greycat | wheezy is the one after squeeze |
| 21:18.05 | jelly | "after", yes, just not "immediately" |
| 21:18.19 | babilen | dpkg: release history |
| 21:18.19 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25). The next release will be Stretch. http://deb.li/it56U |
| 21:18.48 | jelly | but what will stretch+1 be codenamed!? |
| 21:18.56 | babilen | troll! |
| 21:19.04 | babilen | But IIRC that has been decided already |
| 21:19.18 | jhutchins | jelly: thx. |
| 21:19.42 | jhutchins | I really ought to uppgrade that box... |
| 21:21.34 | babilen | stretch+1 will be "buster" and buster+1 will be "bullseye" |
| 21:21.46 | babilen | No "Debian Troll" for a while still |
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| 21:24.36 | ar1el | Does anyone have a notebook with hybrid video, intel and nvidia? I installed all the necessary libraries on debian 8.5, I installed the bumbeless, optirun, the glx drivers etc ... but I can not run the game as a counter strike by wine for example |
| 21:24.45 | ar1el | idea? |
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| 21:25.45 | ar1el | try... optirun wine hl.exe -game cstrike, but remains in software mode or opengl with 1024x768 maximum |
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| 21:31.50 | TheSin | anyone here familiar with the jetty9 layout and how to get solr-jetty to work? I have both installed but and jetty is runnign and tested but I have no /solr checking the logs contexts/solr.xml doesnt' even get loaded but I'm not sure where I need to tell jetty to load it from and the config layout has changed so much from jetty8 package |
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| 21:40.51 | alexp | Hi, can anyone help me with a "selinux" error? |
| 21:40.55 | alexp | http://pastebin.com/q9WWd8n1 |
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| 21:42.13 | teclo- | alexp: hm... I guess you should start by reading a book on SELinux ;) |
| 21:42.29 | alexp | what book? |
| 21:45.00 | alexp | can anyone help me? --î |
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| 21:48.21 | alexp | ? |
| 21:49.05 | Rxxy | ? |
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| 21:58.20 | jelly | alexp: is this a debian system? |
| 21:58.39 | alexp | yes |
| 21:58.57 | alexp | modified debian |
| 21:59.02 | greycat | ... |
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| 21:59.29 | jelly | alexp: which installer image did you use? |
| 21:59.46 | alexp | armhf |
| 22:00.07 | alexp | i'm in a chrooted environment |
| 22:00.07 | jelly | didn't you ask this an hour or so ago, previously showing kali repos |
| 22:00.15 | alexp | yes |
| 22:00.27 | jelly | is it the very same system? |
| 22:00.37 | alexp | you know what is linux deploy? |
| 22:00.47 | jelly | nope |
| 22:00.51 | greycat | You know what is Debian? No, you do not. |
| 22:01.04 | teraflops | heh the solution: disable selinux⦠|
| 22:01.08 | alexp | i can install a lot of distributions and all of those show the same problem |
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| 22:01.14 | jelly | alexp: if you can reproduce this issue with an actual debian installation, someone in here may be able to help |
| 22:01.38 | jelly | so please install eh. debian 8 armhf, then ask again |
| 22:01.38 | alexp | <greycat>, could u deserve to be so agresive? |
| 22:01.40 | greycat | If it's an issue common to several different Linux-based operating systems, then maybe you should be asking in ##linux. Or an SElinux channel. |
| 22:01.58 | jelly | eg.* |
| 22:02.26 | alexp | thanks <teraflops> for the response. |
| 22:02.36 | greycat | #selinux exist and has 147 people |
| 22:03.00 | teraflops | alexp: wait, I didnt suggest you to disable selinux, it was in your pastebin |
| 22:03.12 | alexp | i know |
| 22:03.23 | jelly | ,v systemd |
| 22:03.26 | judd | Package: systemd on amd64 -- wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u5; jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; sid: 232-3; stretch: 232-3 |
| 22:04.08 | LaptopBrain | if your server has a hardware raid is there any reason to also use dm? |
| 22:04.24 | LaptopBrain | the only reason i can think of is for making it easy to shrink, grow and reallocate volumes |
| 22:04.41 | jelly | > update-rc.d: As per Kali policy, postgresql init script is left disabled. |
| 22:04.43 | greycat | That's an LVM feature, not an md feature. |
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| 22:05.11 | greycat | You can run LVM on top of the hardware RAID, or on top of an md RAID. |
| 22:05.16 | LaptopBrain | greycat: does the same question apply, though? |
| 22:05.22 | teraflops | also hw raid is not controlled by the linux system unless you have 3rd party software |
| 22:05.22 | LaptopBrain | or not? |
| 22:05.25 | jelly | LaptopBrain: are you asking about dm raid, or the more usual md raid? |
| 22:05.43 | LaptopBrain | jelly: i didnt realise there was a difference... whatever one debian encourages at install-time |
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| 22:05.59 | LaptopBrain | which is probably just lvm |
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| 22:06.33 | LaptopBrain | ive installed my new server on top of a hardware raid and just put it directly onto /dev/sda... haven't done that for a long time and it had me wondering, maybe it wasnt the smartest choice |
| 22:06.45 | jelly | lvm isn't raid related at all (well, it has its own mirror functionality, but debian-installer does not offer that, and does not use lvm for software raid) |
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| 22:06.58 | LaptopBrain | beucase wont resizing a volume etc be a pain now? |
| 22:07.14 | jelly | LaptopBrain: that depends on the particular controller and its tools. |
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| 22:07.28 | LaptopBrain | dell perc/6i iirc |
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| 22:08.06 | jelly | that sounds like LSI, and the tool is probably MegaCLI. Good luck with that one. |
| 22:08.23 | LaptopBrain | jelly: lsi on a dell motherboard? |
| 22:08.30 | LaptopBrain | do they outsource it? |
| 22:09.10 | jelly | lsi is also used in ibm, er, lenovo servers x-series |
| 22:09.12 | `Kevin | dell perc is indeed lsi |
| 22:10.02 | jelly | in the intel/x86 server space, I think only HP has their own hw raid controllers |
| 22:10.29 | `Kevin | megacli indeed but there is also a new utility lsi is pushing out to phase out megacli |
| 22:10.42 | `Kevin | somehow it is worse than megacli imo |
| 22:10.47 | jelly | hopefully with a saner... oh. |
| 22:11.30 | teraflops | `Kevin: lol |
| 22:11.34 | jelly | megacli is possibly the worst and least consistent cli I've ever seen |
| 22:11.40 | `Kevin | https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/StorCLI |
| 22:11.41 | jelly | s/is/has/ |
| 22:11.52 | `Kevin | this has some consistency ^ |
| 22:11.57 | `Kevin | its just a pain as well to some extent |
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| 22:12.20 | jelly | probably because the authors haven't started adding 25 years of extensions on top |
| 22:12.31 | jelly | ... yet |
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| 22:13.33 | LaptopBrain | would you recommend i actually have a shell utility for managing the hardware raid? |
| 22:13.33 | jelly | that does not actually look too bad, on par with hpacucli/hpssacli |
| 22:13.41 | LaptopBrain | i can understand having something to monitor its status though |
| 22:13.50 | LaptopBrain | this is my first experience with a proper hardware raid controller |
| 22:13.52 | `Kevin | jelly: yea i think its just getting used to it |
| 22:14.15 | jelly | LaptopBrain: you actually _need_ a shell utility if you want to eg. extend the array by adding a disk, online, without downtime |
| 22:14.24 | LaptopBrain | ah |
| 22:14.28 | LaptopBrain | technically, i cant do that |
| 22:14.34 | LaptopBrain | im using all four bays |
| 22:14.35 | LaptopBrain | :P |
| 22:14.45 | LaptopBrain | but i suppose if i wanted to swap out a failed drive... |
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| 22:15.55 | jelly | or reconfigure caching, or check battery/supercap status, or whatever |
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| 22:16.19 | `Kevin | disk errors, smart status, drive temp.. list just goes on a on .. get familiar with it :) |
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| 22:18.07 | LaptopBrain | mmm, lots of new fun stuff to learn :D thanks `Kevin and jelly |
| 22:18.14 | LaptopBrain | sounds much more useful than SMART |
| 22:18.28 | LaptopBrain | (as far as monitoring and environmental status goes) |
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| 22:23.08 | aurelien | Hi #debian ... I got a sort of infinite loop load each time I touch the b key on a remote sid server it write set-enaset-enaset-enaset-enaset without stop in the remote terminal ... any idea? |
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| 22:26.21 | aurelien | 8-/ |
| 22:27.04 | RikuKawai | alexp: are you still there? |
| 22:27.13 | aurelien | i have try to update ... reboot but same ... it happen after I have tried to export display |
| 22:27.33 | RikuKawai | I'm somewhat familiar with linux deploy |
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| 22:38.51 | aurelien | i have also reinstall bash and remove the .bashrc ... but it continue to do that ... but does not under ksh |
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| 22:39.03 | aurelien | nor in emacs |
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| 22:40.05 | aurelien | it happen both on $ and # |
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| 22:42.06 | teraflops | aurelien: which terminal client are you using? |
| 22:42.13 | aurelien | xterm |
| 22:42.32 | teraflops | aurelien: on both sides? |
| 22:42.52 | aurelien | teraflops: idk which term is used on the server |
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| 22:43.14 | aurelien | how can I know that? |
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| 22:44.13 | aurelien | nop .. I have remove xterm from it |
| 22:44.30 | aurelien | but reinstalled it just now does not solved the trouble |
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| 22:44.55 | teraflops | aurelien: yeah sorry I meant if you had the terminfo file on the remote machine |
| 22:45.09 | aurelien | this is the only server it happen .. the others goes fine |
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| 22:47.41 | aurelien | the servers does not got .terminfo in ~/ |
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| 22:48.46 | teraflops | aurelien: you dont need ~/.terminfo if the terminfo file you want is already in /usr/share/terminfo |
| 22:48.51 | aurelien | but there is lot of stuff about terminfo and a lib/terminfo directory |
| 22:49.25 | teraflops | aurelien: and I dont even know if it's terminfo related |
| 22:49.49 | aurelien | there is alsa a /usr/share/terminfo directory |
| 22:49.54 | teraflops | yeah |
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| 22:56.12 | aurelien | have asbolutely no idea how to solve that ... and the www does not seems to have any information about that too ~_~ |
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| 23:22.04 | oneeyetony | Trying to install the appropriate b43 drivers to get wireless working on my mac mini running kernel 4.7. I am attempting to follow this: https://wiki.debian.org/wl when I try and modprobe wl I get a fatal error |
| 23:22.21 | oneeyetony | Would anyone be willing to help? |
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| 23:24.19 | freakyy | how much GBs should i allocated for a /boot/ partition on an SSD? |
| 23:26.05 | oneeyetony | freakyy: check this out. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DiskSpace |
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| 23:26.47 | rhizome | <1 |
| 23:26.49 | missmbob | jesus. 1G /boot? that's insane |
| 23:26.59 | missmbob | 150M should be more than sufficient |
| 23:27.28 | freakyy | ok ill set it to 150GBs |
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| 23:27.45 | freakyy | mb |
| 23:27.49 | freakyy | sorry ^^ |
| 23:28.10 | oneeyetony | missmbob: think you could give me a hand with a wireless driver issue |
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| 23:28.43 | missmbob | oneeyetony: probably not |
| 23:28.52 | rhizome | oneeyetony: do we already know what you mean by "fatal error?" |
| 23:29.09 | oneeyetony | Module wl not found |
| 23:29.24 | rhizome | ok, how about dmesg |
| 23:29.35 | oneeyetony | im not seeing wlan in ifconfig either |
| 23:29.58 | missmbob | oneeyetony: oh so you missed a step |
| 23:30.14 | missmbob | oneeyetony: step 2 in the wiki |
| 23:30.22 | missmbob | that creates the wl module |
| 23:30.29 | missmbob | so do that and paste the output in paste.debian.net |
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| 23:32.11 | oneeyetony | http://paste.debian.net/896481/ |
| 23:32.15 | oneeyetony | looks all good |
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| 23:33.57 | missmbob | oneeyetony: when you first did it do you remember it building the driver? |
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| 23:35.29 | oneeyetony | missbob: first time through I thought since my kernel was up to date I would just need to run broadcm-sta-dkms so I just did that as opposed to the whole line in step 2 |
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| 23:36.22 | oneeyetony | ah quit |
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