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| 00:16.17 | Roland- | such as multicast etc |
| 00:17.31 | Roland- | I mean only for the vvrp traffic itself, it's on the wan and I am not confortable |
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| 00:43.50 | thurstylark | I currently have iptables set up to act as a router. I want to stop all of that. Does loading an empty table accomplish this? |
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| 00:45.03 | tripmix | #c |
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| 00:56.11 | thurstylark | welp. `iptables -F` did the thing :P |
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| 02:15.56 | jusss | drwxr-xr-x root root /mnt, how I can read and write file into /mnt use regular user account? |
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| 02:16.11 | jusss | can setuid or setgid do that? |
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| 02:27.10 | somiaj | jusss: do you have some other file system mounted at /mnt? |
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| 02:47.06 | jusss | somiaj: I mount /dev/sdb1 into /mnt, and it's ext4 file system |
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| 03:14.54 | vvande | So I updated my Debian 7.0 box and now the screen keeps going black. KDE power management has nothing that will fix this. |
| 03:15.19 | vvande | Any suggestions for something in a config file that works would be appreciated. |
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| 03:19.44 | jusss | I use `chomd g+s /mnt` and I use regular user to write files into /mnt, and it still doesn't work, why? |
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| 03:23.03 | druggie | why isn't i2p in the official repositories? |
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| 03:29.54 | missmbob | bug #448638 |
| 03:29.55 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/448638 in wnpp (open): «RFP: i2p -- I2P is an anonymizing network»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2007-10-30; last modified: 2016-08-12. |
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| 03:30.19 | missmbob | there's a lot of reading that i'm not going to do but you probably should if you care |
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| 03:38.19 | druggie | missmbob: yeah sure but they didn't even mention why |
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| 03:41.57 | luke-jr | Is there a way to boot off USB from UEFI shell? |
| 03:42.06 | luke-jr | don't see a way to get my system to boot off USB directly :/ |
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| 03:45.48 | missmbob | the person assigned as ITP dropped off the face of the earth it seems. who knows. maybe he died. |
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| 03:46.27 | factor | Does the stable relase of debian have the package libsdl2-2.0-0:i386 |
| 03:47.06 | TomTomTo1 | ,v libsdl2-2.0-0 |
| 03:47.07 | judd | Package: libsdl2-2.0-0 on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2.0.0+dfsg1-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.0.2+dfsg1-6; stretch: 2.0.4+dfsg2-1; sid: 2.0.5+dfsg1-1 |
| 03:47.13 | TomTomTo1 | yes ^^ |
| 03:47.16 | missmbob | and yes, there's a i386 package |
| 03:47.43 | factor | How do I apt get the i386 package for it |
| 03:47.58 | TomTomTo1 | !multiarch |
| 03:47.58 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 03:48.21 | missmbob | !tell factor about multiarch howto |
| 03:48.28 | factor | I have other i386 packages , just not sdl |
| 03:48.59 | factor | Does backports have a i386 version |
| 03:49.19 | missmbob | it's not in jessie-backports |
| 03:49.35 | factor | jessie is what I have . |
| 03:49.44 | missmbob | it's in jessie proper. not backports. |
| 03:49.50 | factor | oh |
| 03:50.43 | factor | I have the arch i386 install, how would I find sdl2 |
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| 03:50.58 | factor | not for 64b buit 32b |
| 03:51.07 | factor | or does it get both |
| 03:51.47 | factor | libsdl2-2.0-0 - Simple DirectMedia Layer |
| 03:51.55 | factor | i see that but imainge its the 64 bit |
| 03:52.10 | missmbob | you just do apt-get install libsdl2-2.0-0:i386 (you add the :i386 at the end to get that) |
| 03:52.19 | missmbob | the multiarch howto tells you all of that |
| 03:52.56 | TomTomTo1 | apt will try to install the package for your native architecture if you don't specify anything else. |
| 03:53.14 | factor | Cool that worked. |
| 03:53.24 | factor | Thanks |
| 03:53.40 | missmbob | next time try the reading we suggest before asking more questions :P put a little effort |
| 03:54.29 | TomTomTo1 | has middle school flashbacks D: |
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| 04:22.37 | sn0wmonster | Q: is there a way i can monitor a daemon like ZNC in debian to detect whenever it tries to make a new outbound connection, then auto-route that connection through a SOCKS proxy? |
| 04:22.53 | sn0wmonster | (the intended result would be to make sure every connection ZNC made was through a proxy) |
| 04:23.22 | sn0wmonster | ZNC as it is does not allow such functionality, and changing it seems to be a bigger task than anyone i have tried to hire for it wants to take on |
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| 04:55.01 | daemon | sn0wmonster, does it support http proxy? |
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| 04:56.04 | sn0wmonster | it does not have any settings for proxies anywhere i can see, and the issue tracker shows this request from as far back as 2 years ago with incremented requests for the same thing |
| 04:56.20 | sn0wmonster | i have come to the conclusion that if i don't write the code myself or hire someone to, it's not going to get done |
| 04:57.13 | daemon | so you just want it to supp[ort proxies generally |
| 04:57.15 | daemon | nothing special |
| 04:58.38 | sn0wmonster | yea, basically |
| 04:58.53 | sn0wmonster | to be able to connect client > ZNC > proxy > IRC server |
| 04:59.18 | sn0wmonster | right now it assumes no one wants that ability because ZNC itself acts as a proxy server for the client's IRC connection |
| 04:59.40 | sn0wmonster | but some of us run ZNC servers with the same risk model as a client (don't want to advertise the address to everyone on IRC |
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| 05:00.00 | sn0wmonster | that goes without saying when your ZNC is run from home |
| 05:00.42 | Jame57 | I live on the east coast of australia, the primary debian server is on the west coast, it is faster for me to use the New Zealand primary mirror, wish the primary mirror for australia was on the east coast, sydney/melbourne |
| 05:01.11 | Jame57 | I'm over issues with leaf mirrors |
| 05:01.18 | daemon | sn0wmonster, so proxy per user |
| 05:01.24 | daemon | or per profile |
| 05:02.23 | sn0wmonster | daemon, correct. ZNC keeps profiles separate where you, for example, "adduser", then inside that user is "addnetwork [user]" followed by "addserver [network]" |
| 05:02.30 | daemon | yeah I use znc my self |
| 05:02.56 | daemon | whats the project worth |
| 05:03.00 | sn0wmonster | but i would like to be able to addproxy [user] [network] |
| 05:03.17 | sn0wmonster | apparently that can't be done simply with just a python plugin (ZNC allows plugins) |
| 05:03.26 | sn0wmonster | or at least that's what 2 python developers have told me |
| 05:03.33 | daemon | no it aint, its core |
| 05:03.45 | sn0wmonster | so it'd need to be done in C++ i take it |
| 05:04.21 | daemon | yes |
| 05:04.29 | sn0wmonster | do you have an opinion on whether i should look fro a C++ programmar to make this change, or if i should keep looking for a possible solution outside of ZNC? |
| 05:05.00 | sn0wmonster | does it seam feasible to have an event in debian that just routes anything-from-ZNC to a random proxy? |
| 05:05.17 | daemon | solution outside of znc would just be using something like .. christ whats its name redsocks or ... there is a command line thing that lets you chain together proxies |
| 05:05.26 | daemon | you coul chain together an openport on 127.0.0.1 out via a proxy |
| 05:05.30 | daemon | and tell whichever use to connect via that |
| 05:05.31 | daemon | as a hack |
| 05:05.59 | daemon | if you want random you be better off writing your own fake irc server iun w/e language you like |
| 05:06.03 | daemon | client connects it connects to a proxy |
| 05:06.09 | daemon | and just relays info back and forth |
| 05:06.21 | daemon | no need for any irc bitys |
| 05:06.23 | daemon | bits* |
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| 06:39.29 | stephanie92 | does anyone know if xdotool can select specific elements on an html page? |
| 06:39.37 | stephanie92 | for instance, filling out a form |
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| 06:44.44 | nkuttler | stephanie92: i doubt it, what are you trying to do? |
| 06:45.32 | stephanie92 | nkuttler: log into a ton of vms from a novnc window :d |
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| 06:46.36 | nkuttler | stephanie92: if it's just submitting a predictable form, tools like curl will do |
| 06:46.59 | nkuttler | stephanie92: if you need javascript it gets more complex |
| 06:48.51 | stephanie92 | nkuttler: Okies :) I think i may be able to use imacro as well. Just need to figure out how to issue a tab command along with some keystrokes. Unfortunately, I think imacro solely relies on html tags/ids or some type of identifier and doesn't issue a black keystroke |
| 06:49.09 | stephanie92 | blank* |
| 06:49.49 | nkuttler | stephanie92: if the forms are simple a script with one line per vm would do |
| 06:50.08 | nkuttler | but if this imacro thing works for you go for it |
| 06:50.25 | stephanie92 | nkuttler: kk, and if it doesn't, you'll def hear back from me >;) |
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| 07:19.48 | GlitterPony5000 | hi all |
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| 08:04.01 | jusss | lightdm, openbox |
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| 09:37.15 | holgersson | Hello everyone! Iâm planning to migrate an existing Linux Mint installation to Debian Testing. Therefore Iâve got some questions: 1st, is it advisable to just change package sources and install the debian packages over the mint ones or should I reinstall (and keep user data, OFC)? |
| 09:37.15 | holgersson | 2nd, is it advisable to use ubuntuâs PPAs in Debian? AFAIR everyone warned about mixing ubuntu-debs and debian-debs years ago when I used both. |
| 09:37.15 | holgersson | Thanks for you answer in advance! |
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| 09:38.38 | n4dir | imho: a) reinstall and b) don't use ubuntu repos |
| 09:38.42 | Rephlexie | holgersson, personally i'd tar up my ~ and reinstall |
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| 09:38.43 | th0r | holgersson, for my money, do a fresh install, and definitely do not mix repos |
| 09:38.43 | SwedeMike | holgersson: I would recommend re-install and not to mix ubuntu and debian PPAs. If you need ubuntu PPAs, why don't you run Ubuntu? |
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| 09:42.57 | holgersson | Thanks! |
| 09:43.47 | holgersson | SwedeMike: Honestly Iâm not entirely sure Iâll need them anyway; it was more a general question |
| 09:44.24 | holgersson | SwedeMike: And err, not using ubuntu is partly a decision of personal preferences. ;) |
| 09:44.45 | holgersson | However, I got my answers. Thank you all again! Have a nice day :) |
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| 10:27.57 | g00se1 | Have always used aptitude (per rec.) so, if when i'm forced to use dpkg (installing Skype) how will i get on, first resolving deps and secondly purging it and its deps (hoping to do that ASAP)? |
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| 10:30.13 | nbags | g00se1: gdebi will resolve the deps. there are other ways as well. purging is not an issue, it works the same as if you installed it with apt |
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| 10:32.29 | pingfloyd | g00se1: if you do install with dpkg and there are missing dependencies, you can just run 'apt-get -f install' |
| 10:32.37 | pingfloyd | afterward |
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| 10:33.22 | pingfloyd | if you use gdebi, you don't need to bother with that as it should bring in needed dependencies as if you ran apt-get install pkg |
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| 10:37.09 | g00se1 | OK. Haven't heard of gdebi. If afterward i do aptitude purge skype will all deps go too? |
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| 10:37.30 | themill | fsvo all |
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| 10:45.30 | hugo | Hello, |
| 10:45.35 | g00se1 | If afterward i do aptitude purge skype will all deps go too? |
| 10:46.27 | hugo | i have an error when trying to re add a disk previously removed ==> mdadm: /dev/sdc1 not large enough to join array. I precise that the 2 disk (raid1) are the same |
| 10:46.33 | hugo | could you help me ? |
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| 11:02.27 | mariusp | Hi all, anyone have any experience using ucarp? Im wondering whether it can handle a black friday type workload. Im expecting about 60K simultaneous users on our site and would like to use it to load balance a couple of vanrish servers. |
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| 11:12.33 | mister | hello |
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| 11:32.12 | nbags | g00se1: you need to do a purge, then an autoremove |
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| 11:40.02 | g00se1 | nbags: thanks |
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| 11:48.26 | danke | does lightdm support multiple user logins? if i switch to lightdm from gdm3 the switch user button in gnome no longer responds |
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| 12:07.35 | stoned | I am alive and well. I would recommend personally not to use those DMs as they are bloatwares. |
| 12:07.43 | stoned | Even the lightdm is bloated compared to well... XDM. |
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| 12:08.07 | stoned | Why even have a DM? |
| 12:08.27 | nkuttler | because your gf hates the console login |
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| 12:09.04 | danke | yeah, i have a three year old and a seven year old |
| 12:09.15 | stoned | My gf doesn't play games :) |
| 12:09.19 | stoned | nkuttler: o/ |
| 12:09.28 | danke | the seven year old would probably be happy with console login. especially if i told him it was hacking |
| 12:09.33 | danke | 3 year old not so much |
| 12:09.37 | stoned | Ah. |
| 12:09.39 | stoned | Children. |
| 12:09.58 | stoned | Man. You've got some testicular fortitude to be able to do that. |
| 12:10.05 | stoned | Me? I'm scared of them. |
| 12:10.08 | dutchfish | danke, lightdm has automatic multiseat detection, if that is what you are after. You can configure it in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf | aka xserver-command=/usr/bin/X :N | where N starts at 0 and higher for every manually configured X per user. |
| 12:10.22 | stoned | Tiny versions of mental adults. Kids. |
| 12:10.23 | stoned | Ha. |
| 12:10.28 | danke | yeah, haha. i mean, debian has been the best os by a mile for a family. gnome is obvious to them |
| 12:10.33 | stoned | Me too |
| 12:10.42 | stoned | Even my old mum can login |
| 12:10.48 | danke | dutchfish, thanks! i didn't know the term. i'll go read up :) |
| 12:10.49 | stoned | Easy peasy. |
| 12:10.59 | dutchfish | danke, yw |
| 12:11.07 | danke | stoned, you're not wrong. kids are mental. |
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| 12:11.31 | stoned | I'm a kid. I'm still mental. I'm 35. |
| 12:11.33 | stoned | :D |
| 12:11.51 | stoned | dutchfish: I do it manually, if there another user who needs my pc |
| 12:12.05 | stoned | dutchfish: just stich to another tty, start another X, voila. |
| 12:12.05 | dutchfish | stoned, fair enough |
| 12:12.10 | stoned | Keep it easy peasy, seperated. |
| 12:12.32 | stoned | dutchfish: are you the same person as thingfish? |
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| 12:12.41 | stoned | Hopefuly. Possibly. |
| 12:12.41 | dutchfish | stoned, not all are as gifted as you. Some need manuals, like me ;) |
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| 12:12.52 | stoned | Oh, I'm hardly gifted, mate. |
| 12:13.59 | dutchfish | stoned, btw, fyi, i like the console too. |
| 12:14.05 | wondiws | I have here a friends Toshiba notebook with worn out HDD, I want to try to reinstall it with another HDD, Windows 8 eventually, but I'm puzzled by the UEFI? firmware. I try to install debian now, but the netinst image won't boot from USB stick, while on my own computer it perfectly boots. What is this? |
| 12:14.07 | stoned | I just smoked a LOT of Cannabis. I mean a lot. Like the Hindus who used massive quantities of Cannabis, and then wrote Veda, Vedanta, Upanishads. I get stoned, figure out the Universe, and write about it here at https://stoned.io - One day, I'll combine Vedanta and Physics in a new understanding, like Bohr, Einstien, Shrodinger etc. did. |
| 12:14.12 | stoned | OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64/x86_64-Distro: Debian 8.6-CPU: 4 x Intel Core2 Quad (3774.920 MHz)-Processes: 659-Uptime: 8d 8h 51m-Users: 5-Load Average: 0.04-Memory Usage: 3526.63MB/8002.49MB (-26.92%)-Disk Usage: 3394.44GB/3734.40GB (90.90%) |
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| 12:14.50 | stoned | No greed for new hardwares like you remember. Always hunting new cpu, video cards, just... greed. Goes away when you get older. I find myself turning into super snobby debian guy. |
| 12:14.50 | dutchfish | stoned, maybe try #d-o |
| 12:14.54 | stoned | oh right, my bad. |
| 12:14.57 | n4dir | danke: just in case you never heard it. The other day i thought about Doudou-Linux (for children). |
| 12:15.11 | stoned | wondiws: I have it the same setup |
| 12:15.19 | stoned | Toshiba laptop, windows 10 and debian. |
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| 12:15.41 | danke | n4dir, thanks. i'll take a look |
| 12:15.50 | stoned | wondiws: so first you turn off EUFI and go back to legacy CSM iirc. |
| 12:15.59 | wondiws | stoned, I could boot Windows PE from the same USB stick though, but then I'm missing storage drivers :S |
| 12:16.00 | stoned | wondiws: then you turn off secure boot |
| 12:16.05 | stoned | Do you need windows? |
| 12:16.07 | wondiws | even though apparantly there are two devices on the SATA bus :S |
| 12:16.09 | stoned | Or can you wipe it? |
| 12:16.14 | wondiws | stoned, yes, it's for a friend |
| 12:16.28 | wondiws | he uses photoshop and InDesign |
| 12:16.32 | stoned | I don't know Preboot Env. |
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| 12:16.46 | stoned | Like a sysprep? |
| 12:16.52 | n4dir | danke: there are several, i think they are listed at wiki.debian.org, but the only one i ever looked at was doudou |
| 12:17.12 | stoned | wondiws: well, disable EFI and secureboot, and then you'll be able to switch out the HDD |
| 12:17.21 | wondiws | stoned, Windows PE is some small Windows environment, but you can start the Windows setup from it |
| 12:17.27 | wondiws | stoned, I already disabled secureboot |
| 12:17.28 | stoned | But you can still keep efi |
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| 12:18.13 | stoned | My issue is slightly diff, iirc. I switched out the hdd with a diff hdd, b/c it broke. That iirc, gave me some hassle b/c the laptop wouldn't accept the hdd |
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| 12:18.50 | stoned | So I had to hook up the OLD broken hdd, |
| 12:19.10 | stoned | Change the settings to enable secureboot, then hook up the 2nd hdd, then disabled it, then install debian. |
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| 12:19.19 | stoned | I think. It was a whole convoluted mess. |
| 12:19.29 | stoned | It may take a few tries to get it right. |
| 12:19.31 | stoned | I don't fully remember |
| 12:19.34 | stoned | <- |
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| 12:20.15 | wondiws | stoned, secureboot isn't an issue, I could disable it in BIOS setup and start from USB... but Debian doesn't boot |
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| 12:21.48 | danke | n4dir, fwiw both my kids find using debian a breeze. they discovered the dyanamic virtual desktop feature without prompting, and happily login and browse. the terminal would be a bit much though i think. windows 10 was a complete nightmare where they were both constantly trashing the desktop/taskbar/start menu and needed help finding stuff |
| 12:22.23 | Hello71 | wondiws: how did you make the usb drive |
| 12:22.30 | stoned | Got disconnected. |
| 12:22.32 | Hello71 | the contents, not the physical device |
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| 12:22.46 | stoned | Hello71: I ws going to ask this, my wifi dropped. |
| 12:22.54 | wondiws | Hello71, I just dd the mini.iso to USB, my own notebook perfectly boots that |
| 12:23.15 | stoned | wondiws: when you put the usb into the toshiba laptop, do you get any usb boot options? |
| 12:23.17 | Hello71 | wondiws: yeah, if you are using EFI I think you need to do some extra work |
| 12:23.19 | stoned | Does that heppen? |
| 12:23.23 | Hello71 | because the GPT is at the *end* of the device |
| 12:23.34 | stoned | If not, you dind't burn the USB correctly |
| 12:23.40 | wondiws | stoned, I can select USB boot, my Windows kernel image does boot from USB |
| 12:23.55 | stoned | It's not windows, but the laptop |
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| 12:24.18 | stoned | It passes boot control to whichever device you select durinb boot |
| 12:24.21 | wondiws | stoned, how should I prepare the debian image? |
| 12:24.26 | stoned | !d-i |
| 12:24.27 | dpkg | Debian 8 "Jessie" is now the "stable" Debian release. See http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/ for images. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. See also <errata>, <g-i>. |
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| 12:24.30 | stoned | Follow the install guide. |
| 12:24.37 | stoned | I can't sit here and repeat the guide. :) |
| 12:24.56 | stoned | !ig |
| 12:24.57 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/installmanual . See also <errata>, <jessie release notes>. |
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| 12:25.54 | stoned | You want chapters 3 and 4 more so. |
| 12:25.58 | Hello71 | stoned: I don't think it explains how to fix the GPT. |
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| 12:26.15 | stoned | Let's see |
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| 12:26.50 | Hello71 | huh, never mind what I said |
| 12:27.35 | Hello71 | wondiws: fdisk -l your drive, and see if there's an "EFI shell" option somewhere in the firmware |
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| 12:27.56 | stoned | https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch03s06.html.en#UEFI |
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| 12:28.34 | Hello71 | yes, that explains why you should *not* boot in BIOS mode |
| 12:28.50 | Hello71 | more precisely CSM |
| 12:28.52 | stoned | Eh. "should" |
| 12:28.53 | Hello71 | mode. |
| 12:29.02 | stoned | I only ever use CSM legacy. |
| 12:29.18 | stoned | Keep EFI off. EFI. Makes me sound like ... letters. |
| 12:29.21 | stoned | I don't like letters. |
| 12:29.27 | Hello71 | The latter becomes important when booting debian-installer on a UEFI system with CSM because debian-installer checks whether it was started on a BIOS- or on a native UEFI system and installs the corresponding bootloader. Normally this simply works but there can be a problem in multi-boot environments. |
| 12:29.38 | stoned | *nod* |
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| 12:30.11 | stoned | I should reboot my lapotp and check the settings. |
| 12:30.13 | stoned | I forgot. |
| 12:30.25 | Hello71 | great, if you want slower boots, no support for modern firmware features, and not learn about future technologies |
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| 12:30.43 | teraflops | ಠ_ಠ|
| 12:31.07 | stoned | Hey |
| 12:31.11 | stoned | why judge, man? |
| 12:31.19 | Hello71 | I said "great". |
| 12:31.20 | stoned | My computing doesn't have to be YOUR computing. |
| 12:31.26 | stoned | It's called. PERSONAL. computing. |
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| 12:31.32 | teraflops | Hello71: I dont get the slower boots bit |
| 12:31.34 | stoned | Are we on this together, then? :D |
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| 12:31.58 | Hello71 | teraflops: if you use CSM your boot is slower than EFI |
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| 12:32.04 | stoned | It isn't. |
| 12:32.14 | stoned | I could be wrong or ignorant, but I doubt this. |
| 12:32.21 | stoned | Have you a paper or something you could link us to? |
| 12:32.25 | Hello71 | the exact *amount* is dependent on your firmware |
| 12:32.25 | teraflops | Hello71: in your machine or in a general sense? |
| 12:32.44 | stoned | Hello71: would you be able to provide any literature on this |
| 12:32.45 | Hello71 | it may be a small amount or perceptible |
| 12:32.46 | wondiws | Hello71, maybe this isn't EFI after all, it's "Aptio Setup Utiliy - Merican Megatrends |
| 12:32.49 | stoned | Technically detailed. |
| 12:33.19 | stoned | That might could be more useful than just back and forth here. |
| 12:33.40 | Hello71 | for example on my MBA it takes a few extra seconds, I think having something to do with the video mode change |
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| 12:33.55 | stoned | Hello71: so percieved slowness? |
| 12:34.06 | teraflops | Hello71: it's easy to measure |
| 12:34.11 | teraflops | systemd-analyze |
| 12:34.25 | stoned | I don't think he means that. |
| 12:34.43 | Hello71 | https://www.google.com/search?q=csm+boot+time |
| 12:34.45 | stoned | Once the control is passed off to the OS, then the booting is however long it takes no matter the bios version |
| 12:34.45 | teraflops | stoned: then I dont know what is ey talking about |
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| 12:34.54 | Hello71 | sure |
| 12:35.02 | stoned | He means form power on, to debian selection. That is booting. |
| 12:35.08 | stoned | Machine booting. OS booting is diff. |
| 12:35.13 | stoned | Please specify |
| 12:35.14 | Hello71 | which is also how systemd-analyze defines it |
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| 12:35.27 | Hello71 | "Startup finished in 4.789s (firmware) + 104ms (loader) + 2.072s (kernel) + 1.236s (userspace) = 8.203s" |
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| 12:35.48 | teraflops | then blame the hw maker and they UEFI implememtation |
| 12:35.53 | Hello71 | the fact that BIOS is crappy and firmware time cannot be measured is a separate issue |
| 12:35.57 | teraflops | their* |
| 12:36.20 | stoned | Notice the mentality |
| 12:36.27 | stoned | As soon as something is slightly older |
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| 12:36.30 | teraflops | btw I'm not a UEFI hater at all |
| 12:36.36 | stoned | We turn hateful towrards it |
| 12:36.39 | Hello71 | by definition CSM must put some low-level things to IBM PC compatible, which the Linux kernel must then restore to the "modern" functions |
| 12:36.45 | stoned | Just b/c something new is out, we rail on the old. |
| 12:36.48 | Hello71 | like the VGA video mode. |
| 12:36.53 | stoned | "BIOS is crappy." |
| 12:37.04 | teraflops | BIOS if nice imo |
| 12:37.08 | stoned | It's BIOS, man. It's neither crappy, nor NON-crappy. |
| 12:37.13 | teraflops | you can do GPT with bios too btw |
| 12:37.22 | stoned | You sure? |
| 12:37.29 | teraflops | yeah Im pretty sure |
| 12:37.30 | stoned | GPT requires EFI, no? |
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| 12:37.35 | stoned | I was sure it did. |
| 12:37.35 | teraflops | nope |
| 12:37.38 | stoned | zomg. |
| 12:37.42 | stoned | stoned is wrong again. |
| 12:37.44 | stoned | oh boy. |
| 12:37.47 | teraflops | heh |
| 12:37.49 | stoned | :) |
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| 12:38.18 | Hello71 | BIOS sucks. EFI also sucks, but in different ways. |
| 12:38.19 | stoned | Hm. Well I learned soemthing new today |
| 12:38.21 | stoned | thanks Hello71 |
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| 12:38.30 | stoned | Hello71: everything sucks. And nothing sucks. |
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| 12:38.38 | stoned | It's all in your own perspective. |
| 12:38.47 | Hello71 | for the most part with modern firmwares CSM on top of EFI sucks more than just giving up and using EFI. |
| 12:39.08 | stoned | I'm on 8year old core 2 quad q9550 and that's my primary machine. |
| 12:39.14 | stoned | The toshiba laptop is rarely used. |
| 12:39.20 | stoned | I've not had much experience with efi stuffs. |
| 12:39.53 | Hello71 | [12:31:58] < Hello71> teraflops: if you use CSM your boot is slower than EFI |
| 12:39.56 | Hello71 | [12:32:04] < stoned> It isn't. |
| 12:40.14 | stoned | If you're going to quote me out of context |
| 12:40.16 | Hello71 | so... you don't have experience with EFI but are confident enough to say that one is always faster |
| 12:40.19 | stoned | I'm gonna smack you silly |
| 12:40.23 | stoned | That's NOT how to converse. |
| 12:40.31 | stoned | 06:32:14 stoned â I could be wrong or ignorant, but I doubt this. |
| 12:40.41 | stoned | Don't quote out of context, just to make a point. |
| 12:40.51 | stoned | That's not conversation. That's just throwing mud. |
| 12:41.15 | themill | ##chat is over â |
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| 12:42.15 | stoned | So if someone has clearly stated that they are unsure, wrong or could be ignorant, there is no confidence showcased. No need to argue. We can however still go deeply into CSM/EFI without that Hello71 |
| 12:42.20 | stoned | *nod* |
| 12:42.50 | Hello71 | then what you ought to have said was "I don't think so.". you didn't, you said "It isn't.", then half-backtracked to "I'm not sure", which is more certain. |
| 12:43.23 | Hello71 | meh. |
| 12:43.49 | stoned | No sir. You dont' direct mine or anyone else's speech. That's not how it works. We observe what other say. We dont' tell them what to do say or how to think. Now this is no longer about EFI but about us, and that's not my interest. If we can dicuss tech stuff, fantastic. |
| 12:44.15 | themill | stoned: seriously, we've just had 40min of you talking utter nonsense. Please take it elsewhere. |
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| 12:44.46 | stoned | themill: and here we are, hating on stoned, while some other person started the shit. |
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| 12:44.51 | Hello71 | FTR: "meh" means I'm done here. |
| 12:45.09 | stoned | He doesn't get it. He watns to be the @ and dhow off. It's been that way fo ryears. Mentalities don't change. |
| 12:45.15 | stoned | they dislike someone, and they contineu to disliek them for years. |
| 12:45.19 | stoned | hateful people. |
| 12:45.21 | stoned | *afk* |
| 12:45.30 | Hello71 | coughs something about irony |
| 12:45.36 | TomTomTosch | if everyone tries to have the last word it will just end in people banned ^^ |
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| 12:46.03 | themill | stoned: you continuing to ramble and then wanting to argue with everyone got boring a decade ago. |
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| 12:46.25 | Hello71 | hey, I was legitimately trying to help, but wondiws still didn't post fdisk -l |
| 12:46.25 | stoned | We are talking tech stuff. He in the middle of it, starts going adhom. Not me, him. |
| 12:46.43 | stoned | I had the same laptop/setup and I was trying t... yo uknow |
| 12:46.45 | themill | stoned: you weren't... |
| 12:46.47 | stoned | I don't have to defend myself |
| 12:46.49 | wondiws | Hello71, from where do I run fdisk -l? |
| 12:46.50 | stoned | do whatver you want. |
| 12:46.51 | Hello71 | wondiws: fwiw "Aptio" is an EFI thing. (although I'm not *entirely* sure what exactly it is) |
| 12:46.59 | Hello71 | wondiws: another computer |
| 12:46.59 | themill | stoned: please just come back when you can be useful |
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| 12:47.09 | stoned | I was being useful. I have no idea why you're starging this |
| 12:47.15 | stoned | You dislike me, I get it. Let ti go. |
| 12:47.16 | themill | *sigh* |
| 12:47.42 | stoned | I'm sighing right now. I honestly don't see why you're doing this. I'm just here talking about whatever peopple are talking about. |
| 12:47.45 | stoned | *sigh* |
| 12:47.50 | wondiws | Hello71, later perhaps, I'm now back to the windows image again |
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| 12:47.58 | Hello71 | TomTomTosch: popcorn? |
| 12:48.18 | Hello71 | wondiws: ok |
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| 12:49.31 | stoned | Always just pickig on me. I'm just the easy target, b/c "stoned". Over a decade, and still just picking on me. SHAME on you. *afk* Always drive me away no matter when I come in. That's fine. I still know how to use debian and I don't need you to help me. 10 years later and nothing has changed. Still the same bossy people trying to tell each other how to think. |
| 12:49.35 | stoned | If one ever finds oneself in the company of those that would ask you to censor your thoughts, ridicule your ideas, avert your gaze, ask for respect, take offense or try to police your behavior, you are absolutely in the company of crap. Make no mistake. Find better company. - Hash Borgir (The Stoned Ape) |
| 12:49.44 | stoned | *afk* ban me or whatever. I'm done with youy. |
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| 12:52.36 | wondiws | what is this "Intel Rapid Storage Technology"? |
| 12:53.15 | Hello71 | in what context |
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| 12:56.23 | wondiws | stoned, you also had a Toshiba Satellite? |
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| 12:56.55 | stoned | I don't know anymore. |
| 12:57.03 | stoned | Will I get banend fo rnonsense just for helping someone? |
| 12:57.10 | stoned | I'm scared of even talking i here anymore, dude. |
| 12:57.13 | stoned | *shrug* |
| 12:57.17 | wondiws | stoned, to ME? |
| 12:57.40 | hexadecimal | stoned: you should go see a doctor |
| 12:57.52 | stoned | I'm just a dumb stoner, man. What do I know. You heard it from the channel master dictator. |
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| 12:58.28 | themill | stoned: seriously... grow up, get clean, learn to be less annoying and disruptive, go find love in /dev/null. I don't care. |
| 12:58.51 | TomTomTosch | i had one. i'm still a bit salty about it. the fan was inaccessible without disassembling the thing from the top. |
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| 12:59.15 | wondiws | TomTomTosch, there's a 10GB SSD apparantly in it, what good is that? :S |
| 12:59.42 | teraflops | TomTomTosch: like most of laptops I had, you have to release the keyboard :S |
| 12:59.45 | TomTomTosch | probably chaching. mine was from the pre-ssd age, though. |
| 13:00.13 | TomTomTosch | *caching |
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| 13:00.42 | password2 | yo |
| 13:01.00 | password2 | anyone know how to get mpt working on debian? |
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| 13:01.25 | teraflops | wondiws: for speed up the hdd I guess |
| 13:01.40 | teraflops | password2: mpt or mtp? |
| 13:02.18 | password2 | mtp |
| 13:02.22 | password2 | woops |
| 13:02.39 | password2 | dang I've been typing it wrong for a while now :( |
| 13:03.04 | password2 | i have libmtp version 1.1.8 installed |
| 13:03.11 | teraflops | password2: what did you tried, what error you got? |
| 13:03.23 | teraflops | s/tried/try/g |
| 13:04.09 | password2 | I followed this page https://wiki.debian.org/mtp , until it said seek help elsewhere |
| 13:04.46 | password2 | I'm pluggin my mi max phone into a usb hub and run mtp-detect , which says no raw devices found |
| 13:04.57 | teraflops | hehe |
| 13:05.20 | teraflops | lol ... stop and seek help elsewhere. If you see results like :S |
| 13:05.44 | password2 | ooh |
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| 13:06.03 | password2 | connecting withut hub help |
| 13:06.04 | teraflops | password2: well, do you have the same error as there? |
| 13:06.18 | password2 | yes |
| 13:06.21 | password2 | i had |
| 13:06.43 | teraflops | hmm powered usb hub? |
| 13:06.46 | password2 | plugin directly into pc yields different results |
| 13:07.01 | password2 | not powered but the only device in the hub |
| 13:07.08 | wondiws | HUH? Now the Toshiba seems to boot from my other USB stick, where I merely extracted the install files to... how is that possible? |
| 13:07.20 | wondiws | there's no boot record on it |
| 13:07.21 | teraflops | afaik a hub is discouraged |
| 13:07.58 | teraflops | wondiws: UEFI? |
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| 13:08.12 | password2 | ok now , according to the wiki my device is not supported |
| 13:08.20 | wondiws | teraflops, is that a feature of UEFI? |
| 13:08.24 | teraflops | password2: :( |
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| 13:08.48 | windu | hi |
| 13:08.57 | password2 | whats wrong teraflops ? |
| 13:09.12 | teraflops | your device is not supported |
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| 13:09.41 | teraflops | windu: if youre doing UEFI you dont need MBR |
| 13:09.46 | password2 | yeah , i get "lease report this VID/PID and the device model to the libmtp development team |
| 13:09.46 | password2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:09.49 | password2 | urg |
| 13:09.55 | password2 | i tried to remove that newline |
| 13:10.05 | password2 | and hit enter by accident |
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| 13:10.24 | windu | hei, you know parrot repo? |
| 13:10.36 | teraflops | password2: is the device model fine, sometimes I found you have to pass the right id |
| 13:10.39 | wondiws | teraflops, but how does it know how to boot it then? I'm straight into the Windows Setup |
| 13:10.54 | password2 | where do i need to pass an id? |
| 13:11.24 | teraflops | wondiws: you dont even need a bootlader |
| 13:11.46 | teraflops | again if youre doing UEFI |
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| 13:12.06 | password2 | hmm |
| 13:12.07 | teraflops | k |
| 13:12.29 | password2 | seems the libmtp team plans to add support in version 1.1.10 |
| 13:12.35 | raidghost | I manually copy a file to a server, and the same one to an SFTP server. The file is 140MB. |
| 13:12.43 | raidghost | FTP: I have a rate arround 11MB/s |
| 13:12.43 | teraflops | ,v libmtp |
| 13:12.44 | judd | No package named 'libmtp' was found in amd64. |
| 13:12.48 | password2 | meh |
| 13:12.49 | raidghost | SFTP: I have a rate arround 4.5MB/s |
| 13:13.04 | raidghost | I understand the file has to be encrypted before being sent. Is it the only impact on the file transfer? (and actually this is not exactly transfer time, but encryption time). |
| 13:13.04 | password2 | I have 6GB of files i need to copy to my pc from my phone |
| 13:13.15 | password2 | and through my wifi setup i only get 1mb/s |
| 13:13.34 | teraflops | ,v libmtp-common |
| 13:13.35 | judd | Package: libmtp-common on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.1.3-35-g0ece104-5; wheezy-backports: 1.1.8-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.1.8-1; jessie-backports: 1.1.10-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.1.12-1; sid: 1.1.12-1 |
| 13:13.45 | password2 | samba or http is nice for fast copy |
| 13:13.49 | teraflops | password2: tried jessie-backports ? |
| 13:13.56 | password2 | i have not |
| 13:14.21 | teraflops | does it look like the version you need? |
| 13:14.32 | password2 | it does |
| 13:14.52 | password2 | i see the newest version is 1.1.12 on the sourceforge page |
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| 13:15.06 | password2 | i dont think i have used jessie backporrts before |
| 13:15.30 | teraflops | password2: https://backports.debian.org/ |
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| 13:15.49 | teraflops | related info |
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| 13:18.17 | password2 | would you recommend i compile from source or try the backports first? |
| 13:18.39 | teraflops | I recommend using backports |
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| 13:19.19 | teraflops | well, I recommend using backports > compiling from source |
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| 13:24.08 | password2 | now i just seem to need to mount it manually too |
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| 13:24.32 | password2 | oh wait it already mounted |
| 13:24.39 | password2 | thanx for the help teraflops |
| 13:25.00 | password2 | usually i dread getting things to work on debian , but in this case it was easy , thanx so much |
| 13:25.20 | teraflops | password2: np |
| 13:25.41 | password2 | 17MB/s is much faster than 1MB/s |
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| 13:28.16 | raidghost | teraflops: Is there a way to speed up sftp ? |
| 13:28.40 | password2 | I've tried speeding it up |
| 13:28.43 | raidghost | each connection i do from my server gives me 3Mbps |
| 13:28.52 | password2 | aparently you can use a less secure encryption scheme |
| 13:29.12 | password2 | honestly i just use http or samba for large files |
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| 13:29.22 | raidghost | So its the secure encryption scheme that makes it ? |
| 13:29.30 | password2 | idk , maybe you can setup https server? |
| 13:29.43 | password2 | raidghost, in my experience |
| 13:29.52 | password2 | and i tried loads of different things |
| 13:30.01 | password2 | scp and sftp included |
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| 13:30.12 | password2 | raidghost, is nfs an option? |
| 13:30.30 | password2 | i use nfs between linux pcs |
| 13:30.42 | raidghost | password2: Dont know if that is an otpion. the server is staying in a datacentre |
| 13:30.45 | password2 | works better than a mapped network drive does on windows |
| 13:30.50 | password2 | ah |
| 13:30.56 | raidghost | And my desktop staying on a slower line |
| 13:30.56 | password2 | yeah , its not meant for remote |
| 13:31.03 | raidghost | I need the remote to be fast |
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| 13:31.20 | raidghost | So i was wondering if i should install proftpd and just allow IP-adresses i define |
| 13:32.13 | password2 | yeah , might look into setting up https? |
| 13:32.22 | password2 | i copy files with http |
| 13:32.32 | password2 | i have no idea how much load https adds |
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| 13:39.06 | password2 | oh lol , the mtp device is choking my network |
| 13:39.23 | password2 | its coppying to nfs folder at 18MB/s on a 100base network |
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| 13:49.29 | teraflops | password2: enable compression |
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| 13:50.47 | teraflops | oops password2 sorry |
| 13:50.56 | teraflops | raidghost: enable compression |
| 13:51.25 | raidghost | teraflops: Compression in what way. You lost me for some seconds |
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| 13:51.51 | teraflops | raidghost: -C |
| 13:52.03 | raidghost | What syntax? |
| 13:52.13 | teraflops | lol sftp -C host |
| 13:52.31 | raidghost | Wondering if that setting is in winscp too |
| 13:52.44 | teraflops | raidghost: no idea never used that thing |
| 13:52.45 | raidghost | Since a friend of me is copying some files and each session he gets 3Mbps |
| 13:52.57 | Hello71 | also sftp is bad |
| 13:53.11 | teraflops | Hello71: lol why is sfto bad? |
| 13:53.16 | teraflops | sftp* |
| 13:53.39 | teraflops | or, what's better that sftp for the same purposes? |
| 13:53.40 | raidghost | better with sftp than ftp with everything going into plain text on the web |
| 13:53.42 | teraflops | than* |
| 13:53.49 | Hello71 | text-based, also for some reason I think it uses in-band signaling |
| 13:53.57 | Hello71 | pretty sure scp is better |
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| 13:54.20 | raidghost | No limitation? |
| 13:54.35 | Hello71 | cannot do ftp things |
| 13:54.48 | Hello71 | https://google.com/search?q=sftp+vs+scp |
| 13:55.03 | teraflops | pff |
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| 14:02.27 | RebelCoder | Debian !!! |
| 14:03.17 | unborn | Hello71: i use sftp only for long time.. everything works great on my end |
| 14:03.22 | teraflops | Hello71: sftp is packet based, ftp is text based, sftp also allow to stop7resume which scp doesnt |
| 14:03.54 | Hello71 | sure |
| 14:04.03 | Hello71 | but you can use rsync for that (which I suspect is also faster than sftp) |
| 14:04.20 | unborn | Hello71: i use it instead of ftp as well.. |
| 14:04.26 | unborn | to be honest its faster |
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| 14:05.28 | teraflops | Hello71: sorry but I just dont understand what's your point, did you say sftp is just "bad" and text-based? |
| 14:05.35 | ksk | !tell Hello71 about ftp must die |
| 14:05.53 | Hello71 | s/bad/slow(er)/ |
| 14:06.04 | unborn | sftp on local net is around 70 to 80mb uploads and over internet to my home server is about 30-45mb.. where ftp when I tried gave me 30mb max on local and 15mb max over internet.. however ftp is kindly not for me for security reasons.. |
| 14:06.33 | unborn | Hello71: ^^^ |
| 14:06.59 | Hello71 | I was comparing to scp |
| 14:07.04 | teraflops | use compresion, also the S stands for secure, unless you end using rsync over ssh for such purposes (then you defeat the speed bit) |
| 14:07.18 | Hello71 | and ftp is probably because of either crappy client or crappy server (or both) |
| 14:07.27 | teraflops | Hello71: ah, well, it was not clear, that's why i asked |
| 14:07.36 | unborn | sftp is good. sorry. |
| 14:07.48 | teraflops | Hello71: no, sftp is because crappy protocol |
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| 14:07.50 | unborn | at least for me :) |
| 14:07.52 | teraflops | ftp* |
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| 14:08.10 | Hello71 | well, ftp is extremely old |
| 14:08.14 | teraflops | and bad |
| 14:08.21 | teraflops | and ugly, and must die |
| 14:08.23 | Hello71 | literally older than the internet |
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| 14:09.14 | unborn | ftp survived yet because people on windows I think. anyway anyone who use it should be aware how bad it is. |
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| 14:09.34 | teraflops | idk why to be honest |
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| 14:10.46 | RoyK | sftp and rsync is about as fast, since both rely on ssh as transport, usually being the main bottleneck (rsa encryption alone isn't very fast) |
| 14:11.00 | teraflops | ssh(scp/sftp) with compression is fine. also HPN patchset is just amazing |
| 14:11.05 | RoyK | FTP is still good for distributing software in some cases, although http has taken over most of that |
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| 14:12.33 | RoyK | FTP with authentication is utterly insecure, FTPS, that is FTP over SSL/TLS works, but making it work across NAT is a PITA if at all possible |
| 14:12.45 | teraflops | heh |
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| 14:14.11 | RoyK | so a quick summarise, don't use FTP |
| 14:14.14 | unborn | ftps is also much slower to my personal opinion |
| 14:14.29 | unborn | yeah.. |
| 14:14.43 | RoyK | ftps is about the same as ftp, sftp is slower, because of rsa |
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| 14:14.55 | teraflops | I get nearly full gbit bandwidth usage doing scp on my lan with HPN patchset |
| 14:15.30 | unborn | RoyK: nah.. ftp and ftps give me about same results for uploads.. ftps slightly slower then ftp.. |
| 14:15.52 | unborn | sftp fastest.. anyway ill be back later.. have to see client now.. tara |
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| 14:16.50 | RoyK | unborn: unpatch sftp will never be faster unless you use compression, since RSA still is slow |
| 14:17.09 | teraflops | RoyK: -C helps though |
| 14:17.28 | RoyK | teraflops: depends on the data, obviously |
| 14:18.03 | RoyK | teraflops: do a wee test with an 1GB video file |
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| 14:18.14 | RoyK | h264 or something |
| 14:18.14 | teraflops | well yeah |
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| 14:20.54 | RoyK | you can see a huge difference between https and ssh with slower machines like a raspberry pi - streaming over ssh makes it rather useless for larger files, which incidentially work well with https, and I can only guess it's because ssh uses rsa for everything, while https uses rsa for key exchange and something like aes for symmetric encryption |
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| 14:25.31 | teraflops | well, if you have to stream video over ssh something wrong is going on there with your streaming solution :P |
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| 14:43.30 | Stadtpirat | Hi there. I copied /bin/bash to /mychroot/bin/bash and then I execute "chroot /mychroot /bin/bash". Why do I get the error "chroot: failed to run command â/bin/bashâ: No such file or directory"? |
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| 14:45.55 | themill | Stadtpirat: is it a different architecture chroot? Are all the dependencies of bash in the chroot? |
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| 14:47.21 | Stadtpirat | themill, I don't know what you mean by "different architecture chroot". I just copied /bin/bash, that's all I did. How do I find out the dependencies of bash? |
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| 14:49.56 | themill | where did the chroot come from? |
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| 14:50.59 | Stadtpirat | I am trying to wrap my head around chroot and I thought it'd be a good and easy start to begin with a chrooted bash shell. |
| 14:51.04 | Stadtpirat | So I just did that. |
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| 14:53.38 | themill | so the chroot came from "mkdir /foo; cp /bin/bash /foo" ? |
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| 14:54.22 | Stadtpirat | yes |
| 14:55.33 | themill | ahh, that's not going to work. Look at the output of "ldd /bin/bash" as a starting point |
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| 14:59.11 | Stadtpirat | themill, are those the libraries that I need to copy over into /mychroot? |
| 15:00.36 | themill | yes |
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| 15:03.35 | Stadtpirat | ywesome |
| 15:03.42 | Stadtpirat | themill, thank you, working now |
| 15:03.56 | Stadtpirat | And I know how to look for dependencies. so Thanks twice |
| 15:04.12 | Stadtpirat | almost too easy ;) |
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| 15:04.32 | themill | btw debootstrap is a commonly used way of making a chroot -- it contains a minimal install once completed |
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| 15:05.29 | Stadtpirat | Oh that is cool. thanks |
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| 15:24.13 | Stadtpirat | Different question now. Why I php5-fpm in the systemd service file set to start with the --nodaemonize option? If I run php5-fpm from the shell using --nodaemonize, it's run in the foreground. systemd somehow starts it in the background nonetheless. Why is that? |
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| 15:33.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | magic. it's all done by magic |
| 15:34.23 | Stadtpirat | Magic does not exist. Everything has a reason :) |
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| 15:35.15 | teraflops | yeah magis is the reason |
| 15:35.17 | teraflops | c* |
| 15:36.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | what did you expect to happen? The whole system stops booting and waits for some php service to finish? |
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| 15:36.40 | Stadtpirat | I don't expect anything. I am jsut trying to understand it. |
| 15:38.19 | Stadtpirat | If I run the command in the shell, php5-fpm starts in the forergound. If it's run by systemd, it runs as a service. So systemd is doing something and I asked what. |
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| 15:40.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | to speak with slartibartfast⦠that's the wrong kind of question |
| 15:41.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's doing the same thing that your deamon does itself when you didn't call it with --no-daemonize :) |
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| 15:49.41 | Stadtpirat | I don't think slartibartfast's words are wise :) How can one know a question is of the wrong kind, if he doesn't know the answer? But I don't want to get engaged in philosophy too much right now ;) |
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| 15:49.55 | Stadtpirat | CutMeOwnThroat, but your answer is still helpful. |
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| 15:56.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you know how you can send any process from the shell into the background? |
| 15:57.12 | trone | How I can know the list of packages in a debian image mounted on my fs? I cant use dpkg -l of course, because the system isn't running. |
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| 15:57.40 | Stadtpirat | ctrl-z and bg? |
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| 15:58.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes⦠and what you're kind of asking is "what's the difference between a foreground process and a background process" |
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| 15:59.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | and in the context of systemd unit files, that question doesn't make much sense |
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| 16:00.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | trone, you can chroot into it and then do dpkg -l |
| 16:01.24 | DigbyMW | Is crunchbang compatible with all debian software? |
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| 16:02.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | trone, or read /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 16:02.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | DigbyMW, ask them⦠we use debian, how should we know such a thing |
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| 16:04.02 | trone | CutMeOwnThroat: thx |
| 16:04.02 | DigbyMW | CutMeOwnThroat: because its a derivative of debian? |
| 16:04.26 | DigbyMW | And I couldn't find a crunchbang chanell |
| 16:04.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | DigbyMW, there's only several hundred derivatives of debian? |
| 16:04.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's #crunchbang here on freenode |
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| 16:05.08 | DigbyMW | Ah, thanks! |
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| 16:05.57 | DigbyMW | It didn't show up when I searched for it, I guess my client was being annoying |
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| 16:07.16 | trone | CutMeOwnThroat: about the process, you tried with signals? -20 and -18 ? |
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| 16:08.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | trone, what process?? |
| 16:08.40 | trone | CutMeOwnThroat: I read about: "do you know how you can send any process from the shell into the background?" but maybe wasn't a real question :D |
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| 16:09.21 | zykotick9 | re: cruchbang = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrunchBang_Linux "Philip Newborough announced on 6 February 2015 that he had stopped developing CrunchBang and that users would benefit from using vanilla Debian." |
| 16:09.24 | trone | sorry. mistake |
| 16:09.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | it wasn't a general one⦠I didn't want to know how it's done, but if he knew :) |
| 16:09.48 | trone | CutMeOwnThroat: yep, I got it... after |
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| 16:20.54 | crazyadm | anyone know a good photo gallery manager in php? |
| 16:21.52 | ikonia | crazyadm: please don't spam freenode |
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| 16:21.58 | ikonia | crazyadm: you've asked in 5 different channels - it's spam |
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| 16:22.46 | crazyadm | i do that because i did not get any answer |
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| 16:23.54 | han-solo | ask in #php and wait |
| 16:24.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, the debian answer clearly is apt-cache search php gallery |
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| 16:27.16 | zykotick9 | CutMeOwnThroat: i gotta say... i like the colourful new-school "apt search php gallery" output better... ymmv ;) |
| 16:31.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm not switching frontends every couple of years just because someone writes them |
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| 16:38.33 | at0m | CutMeOwnThroat: then who's gonna file all the bugreports? |
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| 16:47.15 | dontknow | today no one has problemo |
| 16:47.41 | |DM| | I'm trying to run a non-interactive (with no tty attached) script that needs sudo to run |
| 16:47.42 | at0m | cos, known good FE? |
| 16:47.51 | |DM| | I've set sudo to not need a password for that script for any user |
| 16:48.05 | |DM| | However it doesn work, the error being "no tty and no askpassword helper program specified" |
| 16:48.13 | |DM| | With the -n switch, it complains that a password is required |
| 16:48.28 | |DM| | Testing it in a bash shell however proves that it runs fine, with no password required |
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| 16:49.15 | at0m | then man sudooers, look for NOPASSWD |
| 16:49.20 | at0m | hmm |
| 16:49.38 | |DM| | I mean, I have that set. Or do you mean I should look for gotchas related to it ? |
| 16:50.11 | at0m | no, i thought it might ask for a pass. but if it runs ok from shell, without password, idk |
| 16:50.48 | |DM| | It runs without asking for pass from shell yeah |
| 16:51.06 | at0m | then i don't know. someone else might. |
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| 16:54.05 | |DM| | even !requiretty isnt helping... |
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| 17:01.09 | at0m | that's why you have a status window, so it doesn't get posted in a 1000 users channel. |
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| 17:10.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | at0m, maybe you :) |
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| 17:17.41 | stdh | anyone knows why there's no lua5.3-doc package? |
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| 17:21.29 | mns | how do I identify the drives I have on a debian/testing system ? |
| 17:21.40 | Anselmo | well, |
| 17:21.51 | Anselmo | have you used the command |
| 17:21.53 | Anselmo | lsblk |
| 17:22.11 | mns | Anselmo: No I have not. |
| 17:22.45 | mns | let me boot up that system and try it out |
| 17:22.59 | Anselmo | ok |
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| 17:23.52 | mns | my boot device I know is at /dev/sdb. I've got a cdrom, a floppy drive, two scsi drives, two IDE disks. The IDE that is on my secondary IDE channel is the boot device. |
| 17:24.39 | mns | its the second IDE drive that is on my primary channel that I want to identify, but haven't been able to. |
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| 17:24.59 | Anselmo | you want like the /dev/sdxx name for that? |
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| 17:26.55 | mns | Anselmo: yes. I took that drive out of my old PowerMac G4 and want to mount it so that I can transfer data to the HP. |
| 17:27.09 | Anselmo | what is the output of lsblk? |
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| 17:27.46 | Anselmo | because that should list all drives plugged into the system |
| 17:28.08 | Anselmo | and if you know how big its supposed to be, |
| 17:28.17 | Anselmo | you should be able to figure out which it is |
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| 17:29.56 | mns | Anselmo: yup figured it out. /dev/sdaX is what i want. Thanks |
| 17:30.03 | Anselmo | oh ok |
| 17:30.22 | mns | lsblk helped in figuring it out. |
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| 17:31.32 | mns | I was using fdisk /dev/sda initially and didn't pay attention to the error message. it complains that "the device has a valid 'mac' signature" that would have been a good clue as well :) |
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| 17:32.20 | mns | Now I can work on transferring it. |
| 17:32.36 | Anselmo | mmm |
| 17:32.44 | Anselmo | well, glad that I was able to help |
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| 17:35.56 | mns | how do I figure out the UUID of the partitions ? so that I can set them up in /etc/fstabd ? |
| 17:36.15 | mns | oh never mind |
| 17:36.17 | mns | blkid |
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| 17:45.35 | istrive | im getting this error when running the script from terminal: Unit file of repsr.service changed on disk, 'systemctl daemon-reload' recommended. |
| 17:46.08 | istrive | how to address this issue? |
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| 17:47.14 | istrive | Warning: Unit file changed on disk, 'systemctl daemon-reload' recommended. |
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| 17:48.20 | TomTomTosch | it's not an error and it's pretty descriptive. what about it is not clear to you? |
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| 17:49.12 | istrive | I dont now how to fix it! |
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| 17:49.42 | TomTomTosch | it says it's recommended to run systemctl daemon-reload. doing that would be a start. |
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| 17:50.17 | TomTomTosch | i guess your script changed a unit file. running that command will make systemd reload all unit files. |
| 17:50.19 | istrive | tomtomtosch how to get so just restarting the computer would fix it? is that what it means? |
| 17:50.54 | TomTomTosch | what keeps you from simply running systemctl daemon-reload ? |
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| 17:51.30 | istrive | it could be more "human friendly" lol just saying"Reboot your system now!" Linux is tooooo techie! lol |
| 17:52.08 | TomTomTosch | it doesn't say reboot because you don't need to. it gives you the exact command. reboot would be overkill. |
| 17:52.25 | istrive | it could be more "human friendly" lol just saying"Reboot your system now or run the command sys..." Linux is tooooo techie! lol |
| 17:52.41 | at0m | istrive: rhis isn't #windows. rebooting is not an optionunless kernel updates. |
| 17:52.51 | TomTomTosch | right... i'm out. |
| 17:53.11 | at0m | o/ |
| 17:53.29 | istrive | i got it, now! i just did not quite get use to the way Linux requests stuff! |
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| 17:54.01 | istrive | Thank you so much for quick and precise response, very appreciated! |
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| 17:54.37 | istrive | at least we can count on experts to save the day on Linux World! ;0 |
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| 17:56.13 | mardeeen | hi |
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| 17:56.18 | mardeeen | im searching the #c channel |
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| 17:57.35 | mardeeen | i wanted to ask whats the difference between include #include <sys/socket.h> and #include <stdin.h> ? |
| 17:57.47 | mardeeen | i mean why do i need "sys"/socket.h |
| 17:57.54 | mardeeen | and why cant i use <socket.h> |
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| 17:59.08 | istrive | another question, I edited the /etc/profile to send email notification on SSH login and it's working fine, but I want also to get notifications if the login is made locally (Debian Jessie), is there a way to detect local signing to the desktop? I mean in the local computer? |
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| 18:00.17 | zmitya | hi Gents.. I know it is not very related but let me try here. .. what is the problem when I connected to a modem via USB-Serial converter using minicom ... the modem answers I can see it, but can't see what I type ... |
| 18:00.24 | zmitya | it worked last time .. |
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| 18:01.55 | phre4k | hi, apt install tigervnc-xorg-extension â how do I start it over SSH? |
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| 18:02.58 | zmitya | ehh "CTRL+A", then "E" turns on local echo ... |
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| 18:05.34 | aoilotr | Hello, I just installed debian 8 on a computer but I my wireless card isn't recognized, I did a lspci to know my wireless card reference: [8086:3165] but it seems that there is no available driver on the website:https://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/PCI what should I do ? |
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| 18:06.27 | istrive | how to make /etc/profile to report local signing to the computer? |
| 18:06.30 | TomTomTosch | mardeeen: because socket.h is in the subdirectory sys/ in one of the standard include paths and (i assume you mean stdio.h) is not. |
| 18:06.56 | mardeeen | Thanks TomTomTosch |
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| 18:07.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | istrive, "last" already shows that |
| 18:07.52 | th0r | phre4k, I don't find that in the jessie repo. |
| 18:08.27 | phre4k | th0r: oh, I'll go to #debian-next, sorry |
| 18:08.29 | istrive | cutmeownthroat I want to get the notification if I'm away and somebody login to my computer in realtime! |
| 18:08.57 | istrive | cutmeownthroat the same way I do for $SSH_Client kind of thing |
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| 18:10.02 | TomTomTosch | ,pciid 8086:3165 |
| 18:10.04 | judd | [8086:3165] is 'Wireless 3165' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3165 |
| 18:10.07 | istrive | TomTomTosch is there a way to get realtime notification when somebody sign-in to the computer locally? not VNC/SSH... |
| 18:10.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you routinely giving your passwords or private keys away? |
| 18:11.45 | istrive | no |
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| 18:12.43 | istrive | but I want monitor the use of the computer that is shared so if somebody uses the system and something goes wrong I know where to start... |
| 18:13.44 | TomTomTosch | aoilotr: i don't see your card listed in the supported devices anywhere, but the intel page says: supported (since kernel version): Intel® Wireless 3165 (4.1) |
| 18:13.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I can answer your literal question easily enough⦠but I doubt you'll be happy with it |
| 18:14.13 | TomTomTosch | aoilotr: you could try installing the kernel from jessie-backports and also firmware-linux from jessie-backports non-free. |
| 18:14.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I guess (possibly) getting a couple of hundreds of emails is educational⦠|
| 18:15.03 | aoilotr | Wait, what by kernel you mean the linux kernel ? |
| 18:15.09 | TomTomTosch | yes. |
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| 18:15.19 | TomTomTosch | ,kernels |
| 18:15.20 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.8.0-1-686-pae (4.8.5-1); stretch: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.8-1); jessie-backports: 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.7.8-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.82-1) |
| 18:15.31 | TomTomTosch | ^ jessie-backports has 4.7 |
| 18:16.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | configure the machine to be able to mail somewhere, then just put "mail -s login from $USRER email@address.com" |
| 18:16.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | details in "man mail" |
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| 18:21.17 | aoilotr | TomTomTosch: By using a backport my operating will become unstable ? |
| 18:21.23 | aoilotr | system* |
| 18:22.11 | TomTomTosch | the backports kernel is less tested and does not get security updates. |
| 18:22.26 | TomTomTosch | only frequent version bumps. |
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| 18:32.15 | mardeeen | hi there |
| 18:32.46 | mardeeen | i got this annoying issue when i press tab in the terminal it switches to the next window |
| 18:32.51 | Arckazur | hi |
| 18:33.04 | mardeeen | im using debian xfce |
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| 18:33.23 | mardeeen | with xrdp |
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| 18:38.09 | aoilotr | TomTomTosch: Since I can't download any package from debian I've to download them and put them on my usb key but I can't find any deb package online, do you have any hints ? |
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| 18:40.42 | TomTomTosch | aoilotr: you don't have an alternative way to get a connection? an usb dongle, ethernet cable? |
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| 18:41.54 | TomTomTosch | you can download .deb packages from any official mirror through the web-interface on packages.debian.org |
| 18:41.58 | aoilotr | TomTomTosch: No I can't, I just have my laptop and I live in university room that provide only wifi |
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| 18:42.32 | aoilotr | But could I install backport version of debian that support my wireless card ? |
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| 18:43.49 | TomTomTosch | you can get packages from jessie-backports from there too. no guarantee your card will work with that, but it's probable. |
| 18:45.36 | somiaj | you'll also need to grab the firmware for the card (mostlikely required) |
| 18:45.45 | somiaj | from jessie-backports |
| 18:45.49 | TomTomTosch | but this is probably not something you want to do offline. |
| 18:46.11 | TomTomTosch | ^ regarding what i said before. |
| 18:46.43 | aoilotr | I'm lost in all these packages |
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| 18:47.01 | otyugh_II | hey |
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| 18:47.19 | TomTomTosch | ,pciid 8086:3165 |
| 18:47.20 | judd | [8086:3165] is 'Wireless 3165' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3165 |
| 18:47.29 | TomTomTosch | somiaj: maybe you have better luck than me ^ |
| 18:47.33 | somiaj | aoilotr: someimtes the libary or other places on campus will have docks with a wired connenction you could use. |
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| 18:48.12 | somiaj | TomTomTosch: what chipset? |
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| 18:48.27 | somiaj | nevermind found it |
| 18:48.56 | mardeeen | lol my gf saw my xfce desktop and tought im on windows98 |
| 18:48.57 | otyugh_II | I'd like a to make a samba share, but that would be "shared" by two local users. I don't find any satisfiable reason to do this ; if I create a specific group owner like "sambashare" the user won't necesarly will create files into the directory with the same owner so... I'm kind of stuck. |
| 18:49.36 | otyugh_II | (herh, this was not clear é_è) |
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| 18:50.42 | otyugh_II | I don't know how to share a whole directory and all it's childrens for two local user, by users that won't understand a thing about permission or owner... |
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| 18:51.35 | somiaj | aoilotr, TomTomTosch: It appears the AC 3165 support was added in the 4.2 kernel so it will work on a backported kernel. You also need firmware-iwlwifi. http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/network-and-i-o/wireless-networking/000005511.html |
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| 18:52.29 | somiaj | aoilotr: and finding a wired connenction may be the best option to get the backported kernel/firmware. But it can be downloaded in a pinch, just no package verrification. |
| 18:54.09 | TomTomTosch | or ask around. someone ought to have an adapter that is easier to set up. |
| 18:56.14 | aoilotr | So I should install these package: https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/kernel/linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 && https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/kernel/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 18:56.34 | TomTomTosch | that will not be enough if you do it offline. |
| 18:56.47 | aoilotr | Why ? |
| 18:56.48 | TomTomTosch | but with a working connection, yes. |
| 18:57.29 | TomTomTosch | for the kernel you will at least need linux-base from backports as dependency. |
| 18:57.31 | somiaj | aoilotr: there are missing dependencies. You are only getting the metapackage (you still need the actual kernel). I think there is also a common kernel package dependency you will need. You can trace dependencies on that site if really needed. |
| 18:57.53 | somiaj | oh wait, nevermind that isn't the metapackage...missread it. |
| 18:58.01 | somiaj | you can check the dependecies. Just do it manually |
| 18:59.00 | awal1 | How to prevent 'moc' from getting distorted and make it follow the size of the terminal emulator when resized? |
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| 18:59.03 | aoilotr | I'll try to download all the dependencies manually |
| 18:59.23 | somiaj | aoilotr: only the ones you need. I think it is just the linux-base. |
| 18:59.36 | somiaj | you can leave the libary depends alone. |
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| 18:59.59 | aoilotr | But the kernel package won't installed properly without the dependencies ? |
| 19:00.11 | aoilotr | just linux-base and it's dependencies ? |
| 19:00.17 | somiaj | but some of them are already installed on your machine |
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| 19:00.25 | somiaj | and you don't want to just upgrade things to jessie-backports without needing it |
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| 19:00.59 | somiaj | aoilotr: if something is missing it will error out and tell you what is missing. And you may have to go then get that too. |
| 19:01.18 | aoilotr | Allright I'll try that method |
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| 19:01.52 | jsonhelp | hey morning |
| 19:01.56 | jsonhelp | i've got a problem installing json |
| 19:01.59 | jsonhelp | on debian 8.0 |
| 19:02.02 | jsonhelp | any help ? |
| 19:02.03 | somiaj | !bat |
| 19:02.03 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 19:02.35 | jsonhelp | root@debian-2gb-tor1-01:~# apt-get install json |
| 19:02.35 | jsonhelp | Reading package lists... Done |
| 19:02.35 | jsonhelp | Building dependency tree |
| 19:02.35 | jsonhelp | Reading state information... Done |
| 19:02.35 | jsonhelp | E: Unable to locate package json |
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| 19:02.42 | TomTomTosch | what json? there are a million things json related. |
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| 19:03.05 | jsonhelp | can't find package json |
| 19:03.05 | jsonhelp | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.05 | jsonhelp | "package require json" |
| 19:03.11 | jsonhelp | this one |
| 19:03.17 | somiaj | jsonhelp: missed the part about using paste.debian.net. Maybe try 'apt-cache search json' to see the various json packages avilable |
| 19:03.35 | TomTomTosch | json is an object notation. like xml. it's not a piece of software. |
| 19:03.41 | CtrlC | Is it any common to use the public key instead of private key and private key instead of public?:/ |
| 19:03.44 | jsonhelp | for eggdrop.tcl |
| 19:03.49 | CtrlC | ssh keys I mean. |
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| 19:04.56 | jsonhelp | i've got this error when i'm trying to run ./eggdrop bot.conf |
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| 19:06.25 | TomTomTosch | CtrlC: no... |
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| 19:06.32 | jsonhelp | Cannot find config.m4. |
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| 19:07.11 | CtrlC | TomTomTosch, So that means I have the right to swear? It's not common at all. right? |
| 19:07.29 | TomTomTosch | i'm not sure that would even work. |
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| 19:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's about as common as using the lock for the key and the key for the lock |
| 19:08.49 | jsonhelp | Make sure that you run '/usr/bin/phpize' in the top level source directory of the module |
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| 19:10.10 | jsonhelp | http://paste.debian.net/892783/ |
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| 19:10.42 | jsonhelp | somiaj sorry my 1st time here.. |
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| 19:14.19 | jsonhelp | anyone ? |
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| 19:20.03 | TomTomTosch | !eggdrop |
| 19:20.03 | dpkg | Eggdrop!? I scoff at Eggdrop bots! I'll have you know, tomtomtosch, that I am a blootbot, and proud of it! If you really want to sift through the rubbish heap of Tcl, it's allegedly sitting somewhere near <ftp://ftp.eggheads.org/pub/eggdrop/>, but don't say I didn't warn you! |
| 19:20.14 | TomTomTosch | well, thanks a lot... |
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| 19:20.30 | TomTomTosch | you can ask #eggdrop, though ^^ |
| 19:20.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, TomTomTosch mentioning inferior bots here |
| 19:21.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | everyone who knows anything about anything knows that eggdrop sucks elephant balls |
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| 19:23.05 | TomTomTosch | my bad! |
| 19:23.12 | jsonhelp | ty |
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| 19:24.32 | TomTomTosch | and who let the pratchett bot in again? ^^ |
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| 19:26.28 | jordila | see log here : https://paste.debian.net/892787/ |
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| 19:37.21 | PryMar56 | in package.install, how to exclude a branch of /usr ? I want to exclude /usr/lib/foo |
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| 19:37.47 | nkuttler | PryMar56: you mean, not install files there? you can't |
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| 19:39.59 | aoilotr | TomTomTosch: I've installed the packages manually and it works, i'm talking to you from debian using wifi |
| 19:40.12 | aoilotr | Thank you for the help! |
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| 19:42.35 | noqnio1 | hey. How can i see which services start up at boot? (jessie) |
| 19:43.00 | PryMar56 | nkuttler, thanks, going ahead to write it all out, branch by branch |
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| 19:44.28 | nkuttler | PryMar56: what do you mean? what are you trying to accomplish anyway? |
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| 19:52.28 | _0xbadc0de | hi there |
| 19:52.43 | _0xbadc0de | help me out with a suggestion here |
| 19:52.52 | _0xbadc0de | should I bother to get a file manager? |
| 19:53.01 | _0xbadc0de | I am using openbox |
| 19:53.31 | awal1 | pcmanfm is fine |
| 19:53.42 | Anselmo | do you like terminal programs? |
| 19:53.52 | Anselmo | ranger is quite popular |
| 19:55.18 | awal1 | yeah, there are a few ncurses based too |
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| 19:56.55 | n4dir | I wouldn't bother for a filemanager. |
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| 19:58.31 | n4dir | and mainly if not used to the CLI. |
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| 20:11.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends on you, doesn't it? |
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| 20:16.54 | n4dir | my guess is that is a general answer which never is wrong |
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| 20:19.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, how should we know if he wants or needs one |
| 20:19.25 | jsonhelp | how do i install oident on debian 8.0 ? |
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| 20:22.39 | CtrlC | Can anyone explain to me what this does exactly? : |
| 20:22.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | replacement ident daemon? |
| 20:23.14 | jsonhelp | to get rid of the "~" before your ident |
| 20:23.16 | CtrlC | sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d $host_ip --dport $host_port -j DNAT --to-destination $guest_ip : $guest_port |
| 20:23.53 | CtrlC | I need to port that command to python. And so I need to know what it does exactly. |
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| 20:24.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | there seems to be an oidentd package |
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| 20:24.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | CtrlC, I guess "man iptables" is your friend there⦠|
| 20:25.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | python does native firewall manipulation? |
| 20:25.08 | CtrlC | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm going through it at the moment. |
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| 20:25.30 | CtrlC | CutMeOwnThroat, python-iptables package have some api to manitulate iptables. |
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| 20:26.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I only see python-netfilter |
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| 20:26.40 | CtrlC | CutMeOwnThroat, http://ldx.github.io/python-iptables/ |
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| 20:27.16 | asarch | One stupid question: can I use the AMD64 installation ISO to install a 386-based system? |
| 20:27.33 | asarch | I remember I could do that with wheezy |
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| 20:28.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you mean with "386 based sysem" |
| 20:28.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, t key |
| 20:28.25 | asarch | ? |
| 20:28.44 | asarch | A 32-bit processor |
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| 20:28.52 | TomTomTosch | no, but debian.org links to the amd64-i386 combi one. |
| 20:29.39 | asarch | Thank you |
| 20:29.44 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
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| 20:33.36 | random_numbers | Does debian require something particular for networking under QEMU/KVM? |
| 20:34.01 | random_numbers | Tails' live-cd works fine, but the debian netinstall and live-cds seem to be refusing to do it. |
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| 20:39.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | firmware?? |
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| 20:40.01 | random_numbers | Perhaps, but what would it even require for KVM's virtualized firmware? |
| 20:40.13 | random_numbers | s/firmware/hardware/ |
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| 20:41.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea⦠but basically the answer is "no", this is a difference to other distros, though |
| 20:41.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's usually guest additions, too |
| 20:41.54 | random_numbers | Testing it right now, it seems to be able to ping the host machine but nothing else. And the debian live-cds are the only ones with that problem. |
| 20:43.31 | jsonhelp | <CutMeOwnThroat> there seems to be an oidentd package |
| 20:43.33 | jsonhelp | where can i find it ? |
| 20:44.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | you search for packages with apt-cache search searchterm (e.g. ident) |
| 20:44.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you install packages with apt-get install packagename |
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| 20:57.16 | RealJett | hi |
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| 21:01.44 | rumoxingme | \ |
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| 21:05.36 | RealJett | any one ? |
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| 21:07.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | we are supposed to help you with "hi"?? |
| 21:07.33 | RealJett | oh you didnt catch my previous message ? |
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| 21:08.24 | preaction | there's been no other message from you in the last 30 minutes |
| 21:08.32 | preaction | sorry, 40 |
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| 21:09.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is "hi", quit, rejoin and asking "any one" |
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| 21:11.01 | RealJett | I keep getting the following message when updating debian with sudo apt-get update |
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| 21:11.12 | RealJett | Segmentation fault |
| 21:11.21 | RealJett | dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: files list file for |
| 21:11.21 | dpkg | RealJett: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 21:11.24 | xinming | Hi, Just curious, Anyone here knows wether there is plan to support rebootless kernel when stable system upgraded? |
| 21:11.31 | RealJett | package 'exim4-config' is missing final newline |
| 21:11.45 | xinming | I heard that ksplice will do this, But just curious wether we can use this in debian already. :-) |
| 21:11.47 | RealJett | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2 |
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| 21:13.30 | RealJett | ? |
| 21:14.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | what version of debian is this? |
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| 21:22.33 | NapoleonWils0n | hi all |
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| 21:23.01 | NapoleonWils0n | im trying to set up a user system service |
| 21:23.13 | NapoleonWils0n | is the correct location ~/.config/systemd/user |
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| 21:25.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | that sounds scary |
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| 21:26.36 | nkuttler | which part of it? |
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| 21:26.56 | RealJett | its debian 7.11 |
| 21:27.01 | greyeax | what is this holocaust video lol |
| 21:27.05 | greyeax | why is it in #debian kek |
| 21:27.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | the bit where they need privileges |
| 21:27.45 | nkuttler | CutMeOwnThroat: they do? doesn't really sound like a user service then |
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| 21:28.17 | NapoleonWils0n | tried reloading the daemon |
| 21:28.22 | nkuttler | i guess it's the kind of service that stops when you log out? |
| 21:28.41 | aoilotr | Hi, I add to install the jessie backport kernel package to allow the os recognize my wireless card driver, but now when I do a apt-get update i got errors: http://pastebin.com/0UJreqap |
| 21:28.58 | aoilotr | (french terminal sorry) |
| 21:28.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | nkuttler, doesn't your tongue knot all up saying "user system service"? |
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| 21:30.01 | RealJett | ? |
| 21:30.02 | nkuttler | CutMeOwnThroat: a user service started by the system :p |
| 21:30.22 | NapoleonWils0n | anyone know which directory user services go in |
| 21:30.26 | nkuttler | aoilotr: remove your cdrom lines from your apt sources |
| 21:30.34 | nkuttler | aoilotr: also, /msg dpkg localized errors |
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| 21:30.47 | NapoleonWils0n | when i try and enable the service i judt get no such file or directory |
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| 21:32.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | nkuttler, I'm talking in the unofficial official #debian channel⦠who am I to argue |
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| 21:35.09 | RealJett | running debian 7.11 wheezy getting the following when trying to remove irssi |
| 21:35.20 | RealJett | After this operation, 2,254 kB disk space will be freed. |
| 21:35.20 | NapoleonWils0n | figured out the problem |
| 21:35.20 | RealJett | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y |
| 21:35.20 | RealJett | Segmentation fault |
| 21:35.20 | RealJett | dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: files list file for package 'exim4-config' is missing final newline |
| 21:35.21 | dpkg | RealJett: what are you talking about? |
| 21:35.23 | RealJett | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2 |
| 21:35.43 | NapoleonWils0n | it was because the service files where symlinks, added real files problem solved |
| 21:37.57 | RealJett | what do you mean dpkg |
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| 21:41.41 | _Vi | Are there instruction for going from 32-bit i686 Debian Jessie to 64-bit x86_64 Debian Jessie gradually, without reinstall? |
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| 21:42.16 | _Vi | Migrate32To64Bit wiki article says that it is outdated and links another article about Debian Wheezy. |
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| 21:42.50 | missmbob | !crosspost |
| 21:42.50 | dpkg | Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>. |
| 21:43.35 | missmbob | heh. i'm tired |
| 21:43.37 | missmbob | !crossgrade |
| 21:43.37 | dpkg | Converting an i386 installation into an amd64 installation in-place is quite difficult. It's much easier to reinstall the system with the new architecture -- ask me about <install debian>. If you've got good backups, plenty of time and are feeling lucky, you can try https://wiki.debian.org/CrossGrading but really... good backups... |
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| 21:43.52 | r00tobo | ok, guess I fixed that rtorrent problem with the server on the raid 0 with ext4 one XD |
| 21:44.07 | WangDang_ | I can't figure something out in the perl script "apt-cacher". It's giving me a "403 Access to cache prohibited" message when I try to access it from a remote host. I'm not fluent in perl, but it looks like it is invoked because the remote client is not in the allowed hosts list. But it is. Can anyone help me to figure this out? here's the code snippet http://paste.debian.net/hidden/4cf1fa00/ I can connect from localhost just fine |
| 21:44.13 | r00tobo | but I had to use rescue mode and do fsck /dev/md3 to fix it |
| 21:44.14 | _Vi | I expect it to be doable without rebooting, since kernel is already 64-bit for long. |
| 21:44.27 | RealJett | bye |
| 21:44.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pal missmbob |
| 21:44.29 | dpkg | points at missmbob and laughs hysterically |
| 21:44.30 | RealJett | thanks for the no help |
| 21:44.39 | r00tobo | I guess I should've do -y to accept all the fixes and cleaning |
| 21:44.40 | awal1 | _vi: https://wiki.debian.org/Migrate32To64Bit https://wiki.debian.org/CrossGrading |
| 21:44.45 | r00tobo | done* |
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| 21:44.57 | r00tobo | does fsck command accept -y flag? |
| 21:44.58 | awal1 | but, the best way is reinstalling |
| 21:45.02 | _Vi | awal1, The article itself states it is obsolete. |
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| 21:45.11 | _Vi | awal1, Are there any differences with Jessie? |
| 21:45.30 | r00tobo | now when I do dmesg the error is not there, that's made me relieved... |
| 21:45.31 | RealJett | exit |
| 21:45.44 | _Vi | If multilib worked well for binaries and dev packages, the system might have been almost 32/64-symmetrical. |
| 21:46.23 | awal1 | _vi, what you want is not really supported officially by debian as i know; you'll find just workarounds |
| 21:46.32 | humbag | confusedd |
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| 21:48.45 | _Vi | How can I get integrate size of all installed packages? |
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| 21:50.18 | TomTomTosch | multiarch doesn't work for /all/ packages. |
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| 21:50.35 | _Vi | Can there be `dpkg -l`, but with package size field? |
| 21:51.03 | _Vi | TomTomTosch, I'm thinking about reinstall with debootstrap, automatically installing all packets from current setup. |
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| 21:51.55 | TomTomTosch | you would usually do that with dpkg --get-selections > backupfile and dpkg --set-selections < backupfile |
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| 21:52.22 | LargePig | Hey all, I've been setting up my new Jessie install. Pretty close to having everything I need set up, one thing though is I need to connect to my work L2TP VPN... Seems that there were a few options in Wheezy but not in Jessie. Am I missing something obvious? Cheers. |
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| 21:53.11 | al__ | hi |
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| 21:53.42 | al__ | where is messages from boot log located?? |
| 21:54.38 | _Vi | Looks like it is `dpkg-query --show --showformat='${Installed-Size}\n' | perl -nE '$q+=$_; END{say $q}'`, in kilobytes. |
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| 21:55.33 | nkuttler | al__: what are you looking for? |
| 21:55.51 | nkuttler | al__: dmest comes to mind, journalctl, /var/log/*, etc |
| 21:55.56 | _Vi | "dpkg --get-selections" still shows Qt 3 packages... |
| 21:55.57 | nkuttler | dmesg |
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| 22:00.05 | al__ | I get several error messages during boot I need to read in order to research |
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| 22:13.58 | x37 | i am trying to wget something, it starts working, then soon says "cannot write, no space left on device"... but in nautilus and when i run df it says 36GB free |
| 22:14.05 | LargePig | Looking at secureswan and xl2tpd. Eish, sometimes things are hard work :P |
| 22:14.08 | x37 | any reason why? |
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| 22:15.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | is the total size of the drive by any chance 720G? |
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| 22:15.49 | x37 | CutMeOwnThroat, 2TB |
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| 22:16.17 | livestreaming | how can i *currently* watch bbc one TV live on vlc? live streams urls i found on the web from october no longer work |
| 22:16.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | the mounted partition? |
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| 22:16.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | 36G isn't much on a 2TB partition |
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| 22:17.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does df say |
| 22:18.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | or df -h |
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| 22:19.03 | livestreaming | how can i *currently* watch bbc one TV live on vlc? live streams urls i found on the web from october no longer work. shall try smplayer? |
| 22:20.04 | x37 | CutMeOwnThroat, df -h says 35GB free |
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| 22:20.41 | x37 | hmm, maybe something about inodes...? |
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| 22:20.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | not if it happens during writing to one file |
| 22:21.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | try if root can write more |
| 22:21.42 | debuggerboy | can you try df -i and see inside utilization |
| 22:22.21 | x37 | df -i says 3% IUse.... i didnt even try sudo (brainfart) |
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| 22:22.51 | x37 | bah, sudo gives same result |
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| 22:23.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, fsck the drive |
| 22:24.18 | nkuttler | x37: which filesystem? |
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| 22:25.35 | x37 | nkuttler, its NTFS |
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| 22:26.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha |
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| 22:27.29 | x37 | yes, har har |
| 22:28.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I thought I needn't ask, because no file system in the world should act like this |
| 22:28.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | this is unusual enough that you might have mentioned, though |
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| 22:52.56 | screamslash | where is the initial bash script stored at ? |
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| 22:55.00 | raimue | hello |
| 22:56.03 | raimue | I would like to install mutt on a server, but it wants to pull in lots of unwanted dependencies, especially X packages such as libxcomposite1 |
| 22:56.14 | raimue | now I tried 'apt-get install --no-install-recommends --no-install-suggests mutt', but that does not help |
| 22:57.05 | raimue | as far as I tracked it down, these seem to come through gnupg -> gnupg-agent -> pinentry-gtk2? |
| 22:57.32 | raimue | how could I get mutt without any X-packages? |
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| 23:00.28 | nezZario | Hey guys, I'm trying to follow the guide https://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2DebianInstaller here |
| 23:00.48 | raimue | okay, found it: 'apt-get install mutt pinentry-gtk2-' got me what i wanted. |
| 23:02.15 | bionix | apt-get install life |
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| 23:03.46 | jsonhelp | whats the command to give full access to an folder to a specify user ? |
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| 23:04.41 | mazert_ | chown ? |
| 23:05.20 | jsonhelp | so user alex folder is /home/alex/eg |
| 23:05.22 | jsonhelp | how i do ? |
| 23:06.18 | bionix | create a new group |
| 23:06.34 | mazert_ | chown /home/alex/eg alex |
| 23:06.56 | jsonhelp | ty |
| 23:07.03 | nezZario | has anyone ever built their own images on amazon ? |
| 23:07.19 | bionix | what ? |
| 23:08.09 | nezZario | Built Debian images for use on Amazon EC2 |
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| 23:08.57 | bionix | oh |
| 23:10.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, ec2 |
| 23:10.37 | dpkg | The Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud (EC2) delivers pay-as-you-go capacity in virtualised resources: see https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/ . Debian images for EC2 (AMIs) are created by members of the Debian project. See http://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image and http://blog.james.rcpt.to/2012/12/06/official-debian-images-on-amazon-web-services-ec2/ for details. |
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| 23:12.00 | mazert_ | jsonhelp: sorry, chown alex /home/alex/eg |
| 23:12.14 | jsonhelp | iive got it |
| 23:12.24 | bionix | are you sure ? |
| 23:12.30 | jsonhelp | chown -R user /home/user/folder |
| 23:12.43 | bionix | but this is only for one user |
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| 23:20.08 | mkjackson | hey folks, just a quick question. I've changed my /etc/network/interfaces to use a static address but it still pulls a DHCP address. if I ifdown/ifup on eth0 then the /etc/network/interfaces configuration is reflected but not on reboot. any idea where the DHCP config might be getting fetched from? |
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| 23:23.10 | bionix | strange |
| 23:23.37 | nezZario | mkjackson: perhaps network-manager ? |
| 23:23.50 | nezZario | mkjackson: some software package or script at boot |
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| 23:25.55 | ||JD|| | mkjackson: are you editing /etc/network/interfaces manually? |
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| 23:26.32 | mkjackson | yep, I don't think I have netowrk manager running (ps aux | grep network returns nothing) |
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| 23:27.47 | mkjackson | http://pastebin.com/C9aAj50x |
| 23:28.39 | somiaj | mkjackson: there is also wicd |
| 23:29.21 | somiaj | mkjackson: to check if it is running (not use) |
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| 23:31.53 | mkjackson | wicd? |
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| 23:33.13 | mkjackson | nothing in wicd |
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| 23:37.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | just uninstall dhclient? |
| 23:39.53 | jsonhelp | anyone a horoscope.tcl 2016 ? :) |
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| 23:56.37 | missmbob | mkjackson: that wouldn't show it. you need grep -i network |
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