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| 00:38.53 | anotheruser23423 | I just booted the network installer, and my computer speaker (on the mobo) beeped, and beeps every time I go back to the main instaler menu from Advanced Options |
| 00:39.04 | anotheruser23423 | Is this bad? |
| 00:39.47 | RoyK | anotheruser23423: perhaps you should have console access? |
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| 00:40.19 | anotheruser23423 | hat do you mean? |
| 00:40.21 | anotheruser23423 | what |
| 00:41.51 | anotheruser23423 | My plan was to install Debian alongside my current (broken) installation of Fedora, so I can back some stuff up then wipe Fedora |
| 00:41.56 | anotheruser23423 | I'm just worried about this beep |
| 00:43.43 | awal1 | anotheruser23423, which debian installer branch is that? |
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| 00:51.49 | anotheruser23423 | awal1: the Debian 8.5 amd64 netinstall |
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| 00:53.33 | c-c | anotheruser23423: I thought the beep is an accessibility feature |
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| 00:54.10 | anotheruser23423 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.24 | anotheruser23423 | Usually hardware beeps aren't good, so i wanted to be sure |
| 00:55.28 | c-c | missing beep at installer was a bug in wheezy ! |
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| 00:56.02 | anotheruser23423 | Cool |
| 00:56.23 | anotheruser23423 | Well I have to remove my network cable from this machine to install debian, so I'll see y'all in a bit with my normal nick |
| 00:56.30 | anotheruser23423 | bye bye Fedora |
| 00:56.32 | anotheruser23423 | POS |
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| 01:46.37 | slbtc | how do you change an icon on LXDE? I tried right clicking and going to properties but it won't let me click on the icon to change it like with other desktop environments |
| 01:47.50 | erm3nda | u can always locate the file that enables that icon the modify it vía text editor |
| 01:48.10 | erm3nda | so, google about to locate that icons, or google about to any program that offers you that feature |
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| 01:48.29 | erm3nda | sometimes, to edit an icon, there's a little button that you might not notice in a first view |
| 01:48.38 | erm3nda | slbtc, |
| 01:53.13 | c-c | slbtc: lxappearance |
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| 01:53.49 | slbtc | c-c: I'll try that |
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| 01:55.17 | slbtc | c-c: I'm trying to add icons to N64 roms individually |
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| 02:17.29 | Nicho1as | Hi, is the default kernel of current version of Debian okay for Ceph? 'cause the kernel of Debian 8.0 has some 2 issues : http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/start/os-recommendations/ |
| 02:17.47 | Nicho1as | 1: The default kernel has an older version of btrfs that we do not recommend for ceph-osd storage nodes. Upgrade to a recommended kernel or use XFS. |
| 02:17.54 | Nicho1as | 2: The default kernel has an old Ceph client that we do not recommend for kernel client (kernel RBD or the Ceph file system). Upgrade to a recommended kernel. |
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| 02:18.20 | missmbob | Nicho1as: you can use the 4.6 kernel in jessie-backports to get a newer version if you want |
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| 02:18.56 | Nicho1as | thanks missmbob |
| 02:18.57 | missmbob | Nicho1as: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 02:21.55 | Nicho1as | it seems pretty easy, I think I'm gonna use the backports |
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| 02:58.08 | csc` | Hi, I'm having some issues with rutorrent, rtorrent, and samba. I'm trying to get the watch folder writable via an SMB share, but can't seem to figure out the proper settings for it. I've gone from read only to not accessible at all. |
| 02:59.03 | csc` | Running on Debian 8 |
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| 03:12.27 | dobian | i'm having issues with my system time. my bios time is UTC, my system clock is UTC, yet hexchat still thinks it is in a different timezone |
| 03:13.00 | dobian | and I do not believe it is hexchat specific |
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| 03:13.18 | csc` | user environment variable perhaps? |
| 03:13.19 | dobian | because my email client also thinks it is in the same timezone as hexchat |
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| 03:25.53 | zykotick9 | dobian: be sure to see "/msg dpkg timezone" stuff... good luck |
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| 03:27.15 | XndrK | I'm using Debian Jessie on a 2-in-1 with a built-in Wacom tablet, and Debian confusingly seems to recognize the tablet's existence and let me use it *some*, but not all of the time. |
| 03:27.26 | XndrK | (I can't use it right now for instance.) |
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| 03:30.01 | dobian | thanks zykotick9 |
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| 03:30.37 | XndrK | erm? |
| 03:32.57 | XndrK | Both libwacom-common and libwacom2 are installed. |
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| 03:34.32 | XndrK | I mean, not that anyone cares or anything. |
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| 03:34.44 | c-c | XndrK: need to select input device |
| 03:34.44 | XndrK | Should I just restart? |
| 03:34.57 | c-c | restart with plugged in |
| 03:35.03 | XndrK | How? |
| 03:35.39 | XndrK | And it's going to be plugged in; it's part of the computer. |
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| 03:38.05 | Fureddo | When I do aptitude install xxx, what does the {a} besides a package name mean? |
| 03:38.34 | dvs | Fureddo, it was automatically installed as a dependency of another package. |
| 03:38.51 | Fureddo | dvs: Thank you. |
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| 06:37.34 | MaBunny | im currently done installing debian on my android |
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| 06:39.00 | chaolin | plz reply!! am new here |
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| 06:39.23 | MaBunny | ok |
| 06:39.27 | MaBunny | hello ppl |
| 06:40.12 | ByteStorm | so i had been installing debian on my android from this morn and |
| 06:40.47 | ByteStorm | i hav been adding the finishing touches now,like partitions and the locales,etc |
| 06:41.01 | ByteStorm | i hav a question though,so here it goes |
| 06:41.37 | ByteStorm | do i need a dm,say gdm3 to log into multiple ttys from the debian on android or |
| 06:42.03 | ByteStorm | if i dont install gdm3 will it only give me one tty on login to tht debian? |
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| 06:43.05 | ByteStorm | i mean to say tht how does the display work without a dm,if it works at all... |
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| 07:00.30 | mar77i | uh, I installed debian testing here, and I'm looking for the libpng12-0 package. adding backports to the sources doesn't make much obvious sense though, but there doesn't appear to be an explicit "debports" repository? |
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| 07:07.50 | sumi | hello |
| 07:07.54 | mar77i | ah, I think I have it figured out |
| 07:11.28 | mar77i | no, it's not what I'm looking for. |
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| 07:11.40 | mar77i | I'll ask in the correct channel, though. |
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| 07:14.46 | mar77i | urm, this seems to be the right place, though. |
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| 07:22.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libpng12-0 |
| 07:22.29 | judd | Package: libpng12-0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; jessie: 1.2.50-2+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1.2.50-2+deb8u2 |
| 07:22.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | mar77i, it's simply in the main repository |
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| 07:24.15 | mar77i | yeah, I just added the line for jessie to the sources list too. |
| 07:24.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | why didn't you have it |
| 07:24.37 | mar77i | it disappeared in sid. |
| 07:27.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions lipng16-16 |
| 07:27.12 | judd | No package named 'lipng16-16' was found in amd64. |
| 07:27.18 | pingfloyd | mar77i: sid repository can be in a state where not all dependencies are you updated you know |
| 07:27.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libpng16-16 |
| 07:27.19 | judd | Package: libpng16-16 on amd64 -- sid: 1.6.24-2; stretch: 1.6.24-2 |
| 07:28.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd say that's because it's been replaced by libpng16-16 |
| 07:28.46 | pingfloyd | in terms of packages and what depends on what, it can often be in an inconsistent state. |
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| 07:29.35 | mar77i | pingfloyd: I needed png12 for a missing sofile displayed by a software bundle from outside the repos. |
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| 07:44.30 | mar77i | I think I'm not inconsistent within the domain of apt packages. at least I had no further errors updating last night. |
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| 07:48.02 | doublehp | home made logrotate script does not behave like expected: here are dist conf for exim, and for my service , and log folders as they are now. http://pastebin.com/VLNB9qLh why do I have remaining empty files ? why aren't the files compressed on day 2 ? logrotate does things nicely for exim; what's wrong with my service ? even if it was due to process keeping writing in the log, delaycompress should compress on day 2 |
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| 07:59.38 | tyll | Hi, is there a way to abort a preseed installation from a USB device if there is no hard disk installed? It seems to overwrite itself in this case |
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| 08:05.54 | doublehp | tyll: depends how you configured formatting, and disk detection ... |
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| 08:09.32 | newcomer25 | The whole Law is fulfilled in one statement: âYouâll love your neighbour as much as yourselfâ - Galatians 5:14 |
| 08:09.33 | newcomer25 | God bless you all and have fun using Debian linux! |
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| 08:13.32 | tyll | doublehp: how do I need to configure it to make it possible? |
| 08:13.35 | f-a | I use aconnect to connect my midi keyoard to fluidsynth. Is there a way to make this process automatic? As now I just have a small .sh file where I launch fluidsynth and call aconnect 20 128, because I know the ports |
| 08:14.53 | tyll | doublehp: CUrrently it is d-ipartman-auto/diskstring/dev/sda |
| 08:14.56 | doublehp | tyll: never used preseed , but preseed needs you to configure disk detection and formating; that's 100% certain; at least, you have set it to AUTO or default (default is auto); I *always* use manual formating |
| 08:15.27 | doublehp | tyll: you could report a bug, asking that auto-formating should not overwrite installation source |
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| 08:17.44 | tyll | doublehp: the bug report sounds like a good idea - is the debian bug tracker, package debian-installer the right place? |
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| 08:18.01 | doublehp | tyll: no clue |
| 08:18.22 | doublehp | tyll: i would rather report against partman |
| 08:18.38 | doublehp | (or the one that handels auto partitioning) |
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| 08:19.45 | doublehp | tyll: in short term, check if, during install, disks are available in "by ID", "by path" in /dev/disks ... if so, you can force the use of the sata bus, and prevent USB |
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| 08:23.17 | Iridos | doublehp, seems you have to give sda and can't use /dev/disks (in https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/example-preseed.txt ) |
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| 08:24.07 | Iridos | tyll, but what's the point anyway to put a usb stick with a preseeding image into a computer with no harddisk? |
| 08:25.26 | tyll | doublehp: the preseed file needs to work on several notebooks, therefore I doubt that there is a /dev/disk/ path that works for all of them |
| 08:26.02 | tyll | Iridos: it happens when one does not notice that the harddisk is missing in a notebook |
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| 08:26.20 | doublehp | tyll: you could also ... ask preseed to run a pre-install script, and check yourself about disk. this is much reasier if you use PXE instead of USB |
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| 08:33.07 | tyll | doublehp: do you mean a preseed/early_command ? Do you know how to print a warning/abort the installation from there? |
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| 08:33.54 | doublehp | tyll: yes - no |
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| 08:40.00 | mik | !rufus |
| 08:40.00 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 08:40.15 | mik | !win32diskimager |
| 08:40.15 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
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| 09:01.15 | ralfbergs | Hi there. |
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| 09:02.14 | ralfbergs | I need to set an environment variable in a way that it will be sourced under ALL circumstances, i. e. regardless of how I log in. I had it in /etc/profile.d (Debian), but found out the hard way that this isn't used if I do "ssh remote-host the-cmd" |
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| 09:07.27 | tjg1 | ralfbergs: ~/.ssh/environment |
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| 09:08.16 | tjg1 | enable PermitUserEnvironment in sshd_config |
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| 09:09.45 | fifi-v | I'm trying to copy files from my laptop to my Android SD card. dmesg shows "usb 1-1: new high-speed USB device number 6 using xhci_hcd" etc. How can I actually mount it? |
| 09:09.58 | ralfbergs | tjg1: Thanks. I want this to be used system-wide (contains proxy settings for outbound Internet access), so I guess /etc/environment? |
| 09:10.18 | fifi-v | didn't find any new /dev/sdxx devices |
| 09:10.28 | arha | should say osmething about a new /dev |
| 09:10.32 | arha | maybe not sdx |
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| 09:13.06 | fifi-v | I did `ls -alh /dev/ > ~/1` before plugging in the phone, and `ls -alh /dev/ > ~/2` after. Diff 1 and 2 doesn't show anything new. |
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| 09:14.21 | jelly | fifi-v: use a program that does MTP or PTP protocol, recent androids do not expose a block device |
| 09:15.12 | jelly | there's jmtpfs if you really want to mount stuff but it's not very reliable |
| 09:15.25 | fifi-v | dmesg does say "usb-storage 1-1:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected" though. |
| 09:15.35 | jelly | huh |
| 09:15.44 | fifi-v | what's the "general" solution for transferring files between Debian and Android? |
| 09:15.56 | jelly | adb? :-) |
| 09:16.04 | themill | or airdroid |
| 09:16.09 | jelly | uses kdeconnect |
| 09:16.10 | arha | i like having a samba server on andro |
| 09:16.25 | arha | and then accessing that |
| 09:17.33 | jelly | ,v airdroid |
| 09:17.34 | judd | No package named 'airdroid' was found in amd64. |
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| 09:22.07 | stim | nodejs : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.16) but 2.13-38+deb7u8 is installed and it is kept back. |
| 09:22.12 | stim | what can i do? |
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| 09:23.21 | themill | stim: stop trying to install pacakges for jessie on wheezy |
| 09:23.37 | stim | themill and how to fix it? |
| 09:23.52 | themill | dpkg: tell stim about bat |
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| 09:26.19 | stim | themill http://paste.debian.net/791454/ |
| 09:26.23 | stim | thanks in advance |
| 09:27.00 | fifi-v | wtf? Google forces us to use Android Studio. https://developer.android.com/studio/tools/help/android.html |
| 09:27.02 | themill | just exiting aptitude (n or ^C) should be the end of it |
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| 09:27.41 | stim | but i want to install nodejs |
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| 09:28.27 | stim | themill *** No more solutions available *** |
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| 09:28.40 | themill | probably time to upgrade to jessie if you want newer packages |
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| 09:29.03 | Blackb|rd | Hey, I need some help with debian-installer and preseeding. I've got the whole install automated, but I need to run a command/script as early as possible. It mus be run before the network-config is attempted. I tried "d-i preseed/early_command" but that is not executed early enough, AFAICT |
| 09:29.53 | stim | themill what can i do to install the current version matches wheezy? |
| 09:30.25 | Blackb|rd | If I don't run the command, netconfig fails. If I then open a shell on the system and run my script by hand, everything works. But obviously, that is not an option for an automated install. |
| 09:30.32 | themill | stim: nodejs is not in wheezy at all |
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| 09:31.00 | Blackb|rd | I do unconditional logging (using logger) and dropping to the shell and inspecting syslog, it looks like d-i did not attempt to run my script. |
| 09:32.09 | ransur0t | hey. i've got an issue with mic output, it gets muted at each reboot. I have to manually enable and set level using alsamixer, otherwise stays muted... |
| 09:32.34 | ransur0t | what is the config setting to enable mic and appropriate level at system start automatically? |
| 09:32.59 | ransur0t | is config in alsa or pulse? |
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| 09:33.56 | stim | thanks |
| 09:34.45 | ransur0t | alsactl store? |
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| 09:36.30 | CastelRune | Hello |
| 09:36.37 | CastelRune | I need help on my vps |
| 09:36.44 | CastelRune | Debian7 |
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| 09:37.26 | CastelRune | I am running my bot from my vps but when it connects it displays my Ip and not my server name on my cloak |
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| 09:37.41 | CastelRune | I have bought a domain name, the DNS and rDNS are configured |
| 09:38.42 | ransur0t | *mic input :) |
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| 09:40.52 | SynrG | CastelRune: how recently was DNS/rDNS set up? it takes time to propagate, and the irc server may not yet have the new info |
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| 09:41.14 | CastelRune | SynrG : Yesterday morning |
| 09:41.22 | SynrG | should be enough |
| 09:41.26 | SynrG | shrugs |
| 09:41.42 | CastelRune | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Ej0wF1rt/IMG_4027.PNG |
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| 09:42.45 | SynrG | Host 24.116.74.137.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 09:43.06 | SynrG | what was that you were saying about having rDNS configured? :) |
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| 09:43.28 | CastelRune | What does it mean ? :p |
| 09:43.31 | SynrG | apparently the world doesn't think so |
| 09:44.31 | SynrG | your rDNS is not yet in place. i don't know the cause of the delay. check with your provider |
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| 09:45.00 | CastelRune | So I just need to wait, no problem ? |
| 09:45.06 | SynrG | perhaps. |
| 09:45.25 | CastelRune | Okay, thanks a lot :D |
| 09:45.43 | SynrG | some ISPs suggest 24 hours to wait |
| 09:46.12 | CastelRune | They say 48h max |
| 09:46.16 | SynrG | yep |
| 09:46.24 | CastelRune | But I thought generally it is less |
| 09:46.29 | CastelRune | * was |
| 09:46.35 | SynrG | generally it is. apparently in this case, it isn't. |
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| 09:47.04 | CastelRune | Okay, it's reassuring me , thanks :) |
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| 09:58.59 | alex1 | hello friends, nfsd: Unknown symbol set_posix_acl is the error when /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start wirh |
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| 10:06.51 | MaBunny | hello guys |
| 10:07.09 | ransur0t | re: mic mute issue I asked about a bit ago, I solved it by disabling module-device-restore in /etc/pulse/default.pa |
| 10:07.14 | ransur0t | :) whoot whoot |
| 10:07.39 | MaBunny | so i hav installed debian for my smartphone,but whn i chroot into it |
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| 10:08.18 | MaBunny | i cant type anything,bcoz it might br missing some hardwate drivers |
| 10:08.35 | MaBunny | so my question is this |
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| 10:09.18 | MaBunny | is there a way to chroot the debian from my phone n install the drivers from it |
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| 10:13.04 | xEnno | yes via ssh for example |
| 10:13.30 | MaBunny | ok |
| 10:13.40 | MaBunny | hmm |
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| 10:14.19 | MaBunny | but i hav no extra wifi adapters....use the phone as a adapter |
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| 10:19.19 | MaBunny | guys,if i install linux-image on tht debian,will it load the debian from boot if i chroot it?? |
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| 10:25.16 | hramrach | hello |
| 10:25.30 | hramrach | is there a working GUI dictionary in Debian |
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| 10:25.48 | hramrach | I tried mate-dicrionary which was preinstalled |
| 10:26.02 | hramrach | it cannot set preferences os it cannot be used |
| 10:26.20 | hramrach | I tried to instal opendictionary |
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| 10:26.34 | hramrach | it cannot lookup words in the default configuration |
| 10:26.51 | hramrach | you can connect to dictd by hand and then lookup works |
| 10:27.00 | hramrach | but it gets disconnected if you close the window |
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| 10:32.12 | stim | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:32.12 | stim | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 10:35.08 | nkuttler | ,v libstdc++6 |
| 10:35.09 | judd | Package: libstdc++6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.7.2-5; jessie: 4.9.2-10; stretch: 6.1.1-11; sid: 6.2.0-1 |
| 10:35.22 | nkuttler | stim: are you mixing releases or something? |
| 10:35.25 | nkuttler | !tell stim about bat |
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| 10:36.33 | stim | nkuttler http://paste.debian.net/791460/ |
| 10:37.02 | nkuttler | stim: apt-cache policy nodejs |
| 10:37.42 | stim | http://paste.debian.net/791461/ |
| 10:38.27 | nkuttler | stim: well, either remove that nodesource.com, or ask them for support |
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| 10:40.28 | stim | nkuttler how to remove? |
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| 10:42.01 | nkuttler | stim: you have some deb.nodesource.com line somewhere in /etc/apt/sources.list*, but if you didn't add it you should probably talk to the admin who did |
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| 10:49.26 | hramrach | hm, tried bookview and it canot connect to dictd |
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| 10:50.11 | hramrach | it.s not supposed to. the protocol is different :s |
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| 10:52.28 | Helter | hello |
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| 11:01.48 | Klaus_Dieter | hello world |
| 11:02.15 | hramrach | ok, stardict somewhat works |
| 11:02.37 | hramrach | it has obviously no access too dict dictionaries |
| 11:02.41 | Klaus_Dieter | profanity is a cli xmpp client. apparently it pulls in a lot of x dependencies on debian. why is that? http://paste.debian.net/791465/ |
| 11:03.23 | Klaus_Dieter | this requires about 124 MB to be installed. how can I investigate this? |
| 11:03.37 | practicalprivacy | Hey guys sorry for the noob question. But if I have a live Debian file already loaded onto a USB, would I be able to interact with it if I plugged it into the USB port and ran it through VirtualBox? |
| 11:03.39 | hramrach | ding theoretically has but the GUI is so broken I did not even bother trying to configure a pattern for dict file |
| 11:04.44 | hramrach | practicalprivacy: it should work. depending on the exact system configuration accessing hardware USB sticks from vbox may cause problem |
| 11:05.06 | nkuttler | Klaus_Dieter: looks like it has desktop notifications |
| 11:05.20 | nkuttler | Klaus_Dieter: apt-cache show packages, see Depends |
| 11:05.25 | petn-randall | practicalprivacy: Try it and see. Shouldn't be anything stopping you from it. |
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| 11:06.45 | Klaus_Dieter | nkuttler: thank you for the hint. this is quite bad because I do not want to install a desktop to run profanity. is there a way around it? I guess I could re-compile without support for libnotify.... |
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| 11:08.26 | hramrach | Klaus_Dieter: did you try installing without recommends? |
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| 11:09.32 | hramrach | i'm quite sure you don't need colord to install libnotify |
| 11:09.35 | Klaus_Dieter | well it also depends on libgdk-pixbuf... |
| 11:10.07 | hramrach | it does. So what? so does vim unless you go out of your way to install X-free version |
| 11:10.41 | hramrach | bare GTK libraries are not that large |
| 11:10.44 | Klaus_Dieter | hramrach: well, this is on a console server where profanity is meant to run in a screen |
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| 11:11.58 | Klaus_Dieter | hramrach: with --no-install-recommends it is much lighter. thank you |
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| 11:18.16 | DeaDSouL_ | hi, which file sharing protocol do you recommend for (movies,music) nfs or smb ? it will serve my home, so I have no problem tweaking the other PCs with dual-OSes |
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| 11:24.18 | venkat_330 | is there a guide forcing password complexity debian ?? |
| 11:24.28 | venkat_330 | Request some reference |
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| 11:27.02 | SynrG | apt-cache search pam strength |
| 11:27.07 | SynrG | looks like there are several choices |
| 11:27.30 | SynrG | survey the options and choose one |
| 11:27.34 | SynrG | follow its own doc. |
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| 11:28.54 | Danawar | venkat_330: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html#s-auth-pam |
| 11:29.10 | Danawar | venkat_330: 4.11.1.1 Password security in PAM |
| 11:29.22 | venkat_330 | Danawar: Thanks let me check that |
| 11:30.19 | SynrG | there's also libpam-cracklib that didn't come up in my search |
| 11:30.47 | SynrG | seems to be older than libpam-pwquality (which is based on it) and libpam-passwdqc |
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| 11:31.42 | SynrG | can't say without looking further which is the best today. last time i looked at the securing howto, it seemed rather dated. |
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| 11:32.12 | SynrG | copyright dates extend from 2000 to 2013, so it may not reflect latest info |
| 11:33.11 | DeaDSouL_ | in freebsd if the user is a member of 'operator' group, he will be able to `poweroff`/`reboot` the system... is there such a group in debian that allows the user to do the same? (other than using `sudo` and 'NOPASSWD' in '/etc/sudoers') |
| 11:33.40 | SynrG | yeah, the howto mentions cracklib, but not the others. |
| 11:33.47 | SynrG | unclear what the merits of the alternatives are |
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| 11:35.07 | SynrG | libpam-pwquality's description mentions scoring on apparent randomness and pronouncability, not mentioned in cracklib |
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| 11:35.56 | SynrG | passwdqc features a whole toolset |
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| 11:36.04 | Danawar | DeaDSouL_: sudo adduser {username} sudo |
| 11:36.27 | SynrG | venkat_330: ^^ |
| 11:37.41 | jelly | "pronouncability" sounds like something rather locale-specific |
| 11:37.45 | petn-randall | You don't need to be in the sudo group to power down the machine. In the desktop environments it's handled via policy kit. |
| 11:37.49 | petn-randall | IIRC |
| 11:37.52 | venkat_330 | SynrG: Little confised which one to go here... |
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| 11:38.30 | SynrG | DeaDSouL_: regarding use of the sudo group, be aware that since the last rule takes precedence, any special rules overridding the default behaviour for the sudo group need to be after the rule for the sudo group. something a lot of people (myself included) miss the first time |
| 11:39.14 | SynrG | venkat_330: maybe visit the upstream web sites for each and see if they get more into what the relative merits are? |
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| 11:39.27 | SynrG | venkat_330: that, or just install them all and look at their doc. then decide. |
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| 11:40.20 | venkat_330 | SynrG: Yeah |
| 11:40.50 | SynrG | jelly: i think in most languages, a78%fsd@xEef1* is not going to be as pronouncable as whatever this package offers as pronouncable :) |
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| 11:42.18 | petn-randall | SynrG: That's a very Terran view of yours. |
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| 11:42.32 | SynrG | smirks |
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| 11:44.54 | DeaDSouL_ | SynrG, Danawar: I've been told that consolekit might do that too. is that correct? |
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| 11:46.20 | Blueer | hey. is it possible to restrict the access for non root users for "/proc/self/mounts"? i don't want that other users can see the harddisks and mounts. hidepid=2 for proc doesn't helped. |
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| 11:49.55 | c-c | Blueer: chown and chmod? |
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| 11:51.18 | c-c | Actually, wait |
| 11:51.31 | c-c | isn't that mounts for user mounted? lol |
| 11:53.20 | Danawar | DeaDSouL_: I'm not sure sorry. It appears discontinued: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit/ |
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| 11:55.35 | blankfear | hello everyone. i have a system with UEFI and GPT with a Wheezy(7.7) CD. i have root shell access using recovery mode and want to partition the system using fdisk, and i know GPT's fdisk is gdisk. but the problem is that i can't find gdisk in available commands. how can i partition my disk? sorry for long message and thanks. |
| 11:55.55 | SynrG | DeaDSouL_: if your only goal is to allow power off, yes, ck takes care of it |
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| 11:56.16 | SynrG | DeaDSouL_: any reasonably complete desktop install already includes this |
| 11:56.30 | c-c | Blueer: also theres /proc/mounts and /etc/mtab to worry about. And I'd like to state that I haven't drunk enough coffee to consider the ramifications of -r for /proc/self/mounts for users |
| 11:56.30 | SynrG | DeaDSouL_: if you've gone minimal, you may be missing the necessary components |
| 11:57.06 | c-c | blankfear: first of all, I hope you have a firmware included wheezy |
| 11:57.33 | SynrG | DeaDSouL_: er, yes, what Danawar said about it being discontinued is true. but my comments are in general still applicable. if you have a reasonably complete desktop install, it should 'just work' |
| 11:57.40 | c-c | blankfear: if you have connection, I think you can just 'apt-get install gdisk' |
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| 11:59.06 | blankfear | c-c: everything works fine, but i am in rescue mode with no apt or dpkg available. system is a new laptop preloaded with FreeDOS. |
| 11:59.09 | c-c | blankfear: you may find that curses cgdisk or terminal sgdisk may work better in a terminal than a gui one :) |
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| 12:00.43 | blankfear | c-c: i currently debootstrapped a Jessie on another system, want to partition system, rsync files and rebootð |
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| 12:01.46 | c-c | blankfear: maybe also try parted? |
| 12:02.05 | c-c | blankfear: hell, try $ apropos partition |
| 12:02.51 | blankfear | c-c: do parted support GPT? i can see it in /sbin! |
| 12:03.55 | blankfear | c-c: I've worked with fdisk before, but new to GPT and LVM. |
| 12:05.45 | blankfear | c-c: i searched arch wiki, parted seems to support GPT. thanks |
| 12:06.36 | c-c | gl |
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| 12:11.38 | tosmarcel | I have a newbie question, is this the right place to ask? |
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| 12:14.48 | blankfear | tosmarcel: if your search for the answer had no results, yes. |
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| 12:16.27 | tosmarcel | blankfear: I see... I sort of have the answer but I still have my doubts |
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| 12:17.29 | blankfear | so what is your question? |
| 12:17.51 | tosmarcel | blankfear: I saw this https://i.imgur.com/K5L0XeJ.png but wouldn't this update my package list to unstable? |
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| 12:19.28 | pacninja | Is there a tool that automatically installs missing shared libs. for a given binary? |
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| 12:20.21 | blankfear | tosmarcel: yes because you are changing yor branch name. |
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| 12:20.48 | tosmarcel | what if I just add that line, having both testing and unstable? |
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| 12:20.56 | SynrG | pacninja: ldd and apt-file search are your friends. |
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| 12:21.53 | blankfear | tosmarcel: you would break you system with a mixture of packages after an package upgrade. |
| 12:21.57 | SynrG | pacninja: that being said, consider using a proper package for that binary |
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| 12:22.07 | pacninja | SynrG, that what I have been doing but it's tedious for 7 different missing libs. |
| 12:22.33 | SynrG | pacninja: third-party software? or something you built yourself? |
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| 12:22.51 | pacninja | third-party software |
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| 12:22.59 | SynrG | pacninja: with no support for debian? |
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| 12:23.10 | SynrG | no source? |
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| 12:23.36 | pacninja | no source just linux binaries |
| 12:23.38 | tosmarcel | blankfear: I see... so what would be the most apropriate way to get the most recent firefox in debian? (with apt) |
| 12:23.40 | SynrG | bluh |
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| 12:24.13 | TomTomTosch | tosmarcel: which debian version are you actually running? |
| 12:24.20 | tosmarcel | TomTomTosch: testing |
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| 12:24.40 | SynrG | pacninja: there's no alternative to this software? doesn't give me warm, fuzzy feelings as to trustworthiness :p |
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| 12:25.04 | TomTomTosch | mixing testing and unstable is not unusual. |
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| 12:25.32 | SynrG | !mdn |
| 12:25.32 | dpkg | For stable releases, newer versions of Firefox, Icedove and Iceape can be found at http://mozilla.debian.net/ ; you will want the "release" repository. For users of testing and unstable, updated packages are normally in <experimental>; only Extended Support Release (ESR) versions are suitable for release in <stable> so only those versions can be uploaded to unstable. |
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| 12:25.43 | SynrG | tosmarcel: ^^ |
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| 12:26.05 | tosmarcel | SynrG: thank you very much! |
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| 12:26.33 | tosmarcel | TomTomTosch: tell me more about that please |
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| 12:26.55 | SynrG | !tell tosmarcel about tum |
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| 12:27.38 | SynrG | tosmarcel: when mixing from experimental, at the very least, do what the tum factoid says, and also add a line for experimental |
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| 12:27.44 | blankfear | tosmarcel: why you just don't download the binary from Mozilla's website and install it in /usr/local if you want the latest version? |
| 12:27.46 | pacninja | does apt-get allow you to search by the shared libs.? |
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| 12:27.59 | tosmarcel | SynrG: again, thank you! |
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| 12:28.03 | SynrG | blankfear: that would not be supported. whereas the instructions we gave are. |
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| 12:28.09 | SynrG | ,v firefox |
| 12:28.10 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 48.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 48.0-1; experimental: 49.0~b1-1 |
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| 12:29.47 | SynrG | tosmarcel: so to summarize, you would set your default release to testing, and have deb lines for testing, unstable, and experimental. that ensures that any experimental deps on unstable things are satisfiable, but also ensures upgrades don't automatically upgrade you to unstable. |
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| 12:31.03 | tosmarcel | SynrG: yes, that's what I was trying to achieve! Thank you so much |
| 12:31.08 | SynrG | tosmarcel: of course, there's the usual caveat about installing stuff from experimental. be prepared to downgrade if you run into issues :) |
| 12:31.12 | SynrG | np |
| 12:31.51 | tosmarcel | SynrG: to downgrade I would just remove the unstable and experimental lines and update/upgrade, right? |
| 12:32.04 | SynrG | no, i mean the specific packages |
| 12:32.22 | SynrG | e.g. apt-get install firefox=### |
| 12:32.30 | SynrG | where ### is the specific version to downgrade to |
| 12:32.42 | SynrG | (repeat as needed for dependencies) |
| 12:32.56 | SynrG | or rather, identify all deps needing downgrades and do them all in one line |
| 12:32.56 | tosmarcel | oh I didn't know about that... thanks :) |
| 12:33.05 | SynrG | !downgrade |
| 12:33.05 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 12:33.13 | SynrG | tosmarcel: caveat ^ |
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| 12:33.51 | SynrG | but in my experience, downgrading moz things has been not horrendously complicated, and tends to work |
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| 12:34.06 | Helter | hello |
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| 12:34.17 | SynrG | in the very worst case scenario, you might have to recreate your profile |
| 12:34.33 | tosmarcel | SynrG: I guess I should take some time to RTFM, this stuff is really convenient |
| 12:34.41 | SynrG | nods |
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| 12:34.56 | SynrG | tosmarcel: also, please see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable support. we have a broader pool of experience there. |
| 12:35.09 | SynrG | tosmarcel: plus specific required reading in the channel topic |
| 12:35.14 | tosmarcel | thanks :) |
| 12:36.11 | SynrG | my pleasure. best of luck |
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| 12:41.58 | Helter | test |
| 12:42.11 | Helter | yay i |
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| 12:47.15 | DeaDSouL_ | SynrG: sorry bro, I had to go somewhere... yes, it'll be very minimal... it's going to be a server (nfs,smb,afp,transmission,cups,backup,database,plex) with kodi on top. (it's an old laptop, and I thought of using it as a server and a mini-htpc connected to TV via hdmi) ... i was asking about poweroff/reboot because of kodi,. so what do you suggest my friend? |
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| 12:48.07 | SynrG | DeaDSouL_: are you using systemd-logind? |
| 12:48.15 | SynrG | DeaDSouL_: that's the current, preferred approach. |
| 12:48.38 | SynrG | if you do that, and use lightdm (could be an autologin), everything should be fine. |
| 12:49.45 | SynrG | at home i have (on sid) lightdm + minimal lxde desktop using lightdm with autologin, so it boots to the desktop (could auto-start kodi, too, but doesn't) and the kodi 'shutdown' works fine. |
| 12:49.53 | Mathisen | what do i need to add to my samba config to be able to see size of folder and size left on disk ? |
| 12:50.04 | DeaDSouL_ | SynrG: I was going to use `rungetty tty1 --autologin kodi` |
| 12:50.07 | SynrG | DeaDSouL_: and that's using systemd, which is fine |
| 12:50.31 | DeaDSouL_ | SynrG: I want to minimize the resources as much as possible |
| 12:50.44 | SynrG | i'm sure you could get a stripped-down session even without lightdm |
| 12:51.02 | DeaDSouL_ | SynrG: yes, systemd... I'll be using debian 8.5 |
| 12:51.17 | SynrG | so, i don't know specifically how to do that, but i don't see any barriers. |
| 12:52.02 | SynrG | forums that deal with setting up kodi boxes may have some ideas. |
| 12:52.07 | SynrG | now that you know some search terms |
| 12:53.05 | SynrG | there's a point at which stripping things down further is micro-optimization and doesn't give enough return for the investment of effort ... |
| 12:53.21 | SynrG | for me, that turning point was the arrangement i described above |
| 12:53.36 | SynrG | lightdm consumes vanishingly small resources once it does its job |
| 12:53.42 | DeaDSouL_ | SynrG: yeah,... in fact I cant get kodi to auto login and running smoothly.. the only thing is, i don't want to install `sudo` just for giving the normal user the ability to reboot/poweroff the system |
| 12:53.46 | SynrG | likewise, openbox |
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| 12:53.59 | SynrG | also, i stripped out of lxde all the stuff i don't use (like pcmanfm) |
| 12:54.07 | CodFection | why did debian founder commit suicide? |
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| 12:54.52 | DeaDSouL_ | SynrG: it will be a waste to install WM, just to preform restart/poweroff.... since that wm will never be used (actually used I mean) |
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| 12:55.48 | SynrG | DeaDSouL_: as i said, for me, i had to objectively examine the actual resource usage and ask myself "will this make a material difference in how much resources are available to kodi, or am i just being fussy if i pare it down further?" |
| 12:56.05 | SynrG | for me, the answer was that it would just be fussy, and make no actual difference |
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| 12:56.49 | SynrG | so technically, yes, it's "waste", but in reality, the OS is pretty good at minimizing resource usage of things not currently in use |
| 12:57.01 | JyZyXEL | how do you play hedgewars on jessie when it requires the latest version to be installed for multiplayer to work? |
| 12:57.11 | SynrG | and modern hardware (even very low-end hardware) tends to have more than enough capacity |
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| 12:58.05 | DeaDSouL_ | SynrG: I wonder how did openelec manage to do it... |
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| 12:59.43 | DeaDSouL_ | SynrG: you're right... but I'll do more researchs about it... till I found the answer the user is prevented to poweroff/restart the system... and if you think about it... it's actually good, so that the other servers won't be intruppted. lol :p |
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| 13:00.04 | SynrG | DeaDSouL_: some useful-looking notes here: http://www.richud.com/wiki/Ubuntu_Minimal_KODI_Install |
| 13:00.06 | DeaDSouL_ | SynrG: I wish linux care a little more about the 'groups' |
| 13:00.13 | SynrG | DeaDSouL_: probably equally applicable to debian |
| 13:00.31 | SynrG | DeaDSouL_: the key is the session stuff |
| 13:00.46 | DeaDSouL_ | SynrG: indeed it is |
| 13:01.58 | DeaDSouL_ | SynrG: thanks bro for the link :) |
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| 13:03.34 | DeaDSouL_ | brb |
| 13:03.48 | SynrG | np |
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| 13:12.07 | SynrG | ,v hedgewars |
| 13:12.08 | judd | Package: hedgewars on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.17-1; jessie: 0.9.20.5-12; wheezy-backports-sloppy: 0.9.22-dfsg-2~bpo70+1; jessie-backports: 0.9.22-dfsg-7~bpo8+1; wheezy-backports: 0.9.22-dfsg-7~bpo70+1; stretch: 0.9.22-dfsg-7+b2; sid: 0.9.22-dfsg-7+b2 |
| 13:12.25 | SynrG | JyZyXEL: is 0.9.22 not recent enough? (jessie-backports) |
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| 13:12.49 | JyZyXEL | SynrG: ah, very good! |
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| 13:14.06 | SynrG | CodFection: off topic (not a debian support question) and google is your friend |
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| 13:14.51 | SynrG | Mathisen: i've not seen that issue before ... |
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| 13:15.13 | SynrG | Mathisen: what do you see instead? |
| 13:15.42 | SynrG | Mathisen: oh, are you talking about using a graphical file manager? it might specifically not try to compute sizes because it's expensive |
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| 13:16.04 | SynrG | Mathisen: check your graphical file manager's settings to see if it has any relating to remote filesystems |
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| 13:16.27 | Mathisen | SynrG, yes i want to be able to see the size of the share on a windows machine that uses it.. " https://i.imgur.com/HdoAJAT.png " |
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| 13:17.41 | kjellski | I'm trying to set up a script that modifies the bind9 options and would like bind9 to wait with it's startup until I'm finished in doing so, is the best way to do so to modify the unit of bind9 to depend on my own unit? |
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| 13:18.17 | SynrG | Mathisen: ah. seems like a windows question, then ... see ##windows? |
| 13:18.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I use autossh to "keep" a connection open over hibernates. the ssh key has a password that is usually provided by the ssh-agent, but of course that isn't available after every boot until I run ssh-add. Now ssh-add asks me for the password anyway, I wondered if there's already a nifty way to then do an ssh-add. |
| 13:18.34 | Mathisen | SynrG, i cant see how this would be windows issue.. |
| 13:18.38 | SynrG | Mathisen: compare with du -h path-to-folder |
| 13:18.53 | SynrG | Mathisen: i'm sure samba provides this info. it's just your graphical file manager that doesn't |
| 13:19.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess an ssh-add switch that'd only ask the pwd if the key isn't already in the agent and an alias would do it as well, but I don't see that either |
| 13:19.33 | Mathisen | SynrG, okej i thought i had to add something more in my config for the shares.. i do some more google fuu then |
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| 13:21.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh. or maybe I should just make a passwordless key⦠there's probably no difference in security between an open agent and an openly readable key on a laptop with an encrypted $HOME |
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| 13:21.21 | SynrG | Mathisen: are you sure you're not just seeing a delay (could be very long, depending on how deep and how many files)? |
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| 13:21.29 | Klaus_Dieter | hello world |
| 13:21.42 | SynrG | Mathisen: but as i said, not really a debian issue, so we probably shouldn't get into it here. |
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| 13:22.16 | Mathisen | SynrG, you are right... it does show size on the subfolders... just not the "main" share folder |
| 13:22.22 | Mathisen | SynrG, took 2 min |
| 13:22.25 | SynrG | yeah |
| 13:22.34 | Mathisen | SynrG, :) |
| 13:22.40 | Mathisen | SynrG, well thx |
| 13:22.51 | tosted | issues with warsaw plugin at debian iceweasel when tried to log bank account |
| 13:23.00 | kjellski | Klaus_Dieter: Hello Klaus_Dieter |
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| 13:23.51 | Klaus_Dieter | I jsut installed icinga-web on debian 8.4 and I would like to use an external mysql server. unfortunately dbconfig-common can only work with mysq servers running on localhost. So I set up the xml configuration files manually and they are fine, however - of course - the database on the mysql server is still empty because dbconfig-common cannot setup the needed structures in there. for icinga2 I found t |
| 13:23.57 | Klaus_Dieter | he sql schema file in /usr/share ... |
| 13:24.00 | Klaus_Dieter | ... for icinga-web I can only find that the database is managed by doctrine (whatever that is) and it can be initialized with make. What is the right way to initialize the icinga-web database on a debian system when using an external mysql server? |
| 13:24.21 | SynrG | meh. i should be working. later, ppl |
| 13:24.47 | Klaus_Dieter | of course I could apt-get source icinga-web, configure it and in that build path run the make command to initalize the db |
| 13:24.51 | Klaus_Dieter | but that seems a little odd |
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| 13:31.45 | guest7860 | fuck you all :) |
| 13:31.46 | guest7860 | fuck you all :) |
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| 13:35.16 | zm- | is there a way to install the 32 bit version of libssl1.0.0? libssl1.0.0:i386 isn't a package it seems, unsure where to look. |
| 13:35.20 | zm- | on debian sid |
| 13:35.21 | jim | which version of debian am I likely to find kernel 2.6.30? |
| 13:35.32 | jelly | jim: debian 6 had 2.6.32 |
| 13:35.40 | VladimirVolkov | 1 |
| 13:35.44 | jelly | jim: what do you need it for? |
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| 13:36.01 | jim | someone on ##linux asked for a kernel of that version |
| 13:36.07 | jelly | why? |
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| 13:36.45 | jelly | lenny had 2.6.26; squeeze had 2.6.32, 2.6.30 was in no release |
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| 13:36.52 | jim | dunno :) so, thinking for a minute, there must be some linux dist that has it |
| 13:37.05 | jim | not even in a backport? |
| 13:37.26 | jelly | distros pick stable, long term, easy to maintain versions of kernels |
| 13:37.38 | jim | oh, and I had another weird one... |
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| 13:37.53 | jim | so maybe .30 didn't test well |
| 13:37.59 | jelly | jim: did they have a debian installation? |
| 13:38.15 | jim | dunno |
| 13:38.19 | jim | I can ask |
| 13:38.36 | jelly | please try to refrain from forwarding non-debian questions in here |
| 13:38.37 | sypher | zm-: First, this channel doesn't support sid. Second, looks like that's not available in sid. |
| 13:39.00 | jim | -and-, since the debian one has most of the modules in the kernel package, he can probably fish em out |
| 13:39.17 | jelly | zm-: you'll have to reenable jessie repos to get libssl1.0.0 |
| 13:39.49 | jim | yeah ok |
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| 13:40.42 | zm- | thank you sypher, jelly. |
| 13:41.22 | jelly | jim: if they were already running debian, /msg dpkg snapshot |
| 13:41.43 | jelly | or willing to run debian I guess |
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| 13:43.53 | jim | but I do have a debian related one... someone said he had a squeeze he couldn't upgrade yet, and had gotten 404s on a more recent upgrade try... he has backports in his sources, and managed to fix his main sources line... my question, then, is when the older dist goes out to archive.d.o, can he get the backports that were current at the time the dist went to eol? |
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| 13:44.10 | Helter | hello |
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| 13:44.16 | jim | hi |
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| 13:45.02 | jim | not much... whatcha need? |
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| 13:45.53 | Helter | just here to talk a bit |
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| 13:58.55 | jim | is it running debian now? |
| 14:01.55 | Skyrider | If anyone here familiar with data compression apps for android such as Opera max, and dataeye? |
| 14:02.22 | Skyrider | If so, does application exists to install data compression on my own debian vps for my mobile to connect to so it'll act the same way as those apps? |
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| 14:03.26 | jelly | jim: backports usually end up in the archive as well. |
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| 14:09.05 | jim | jelly, would the backports be separate from the main archive? |
| 14:09.25 | themill | wonders if jim looked |
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| 14:10.46 | ananke | i'm trying to automate installation with a specific requirement: resizing existing ntfs partition. i have the resizing code done, but i'm not sure where i can plug it in the install process. i need it to run after installer performs detection of storage devices |
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| 14:18.41 | jelly | jim: yes, they're somewhere on archive.debian.org tho |
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| 14:20.35 | jim | jelly, thanks; that's good to know... so he can use that info to either stay put or to upgrade if he wants to do that |
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| 14:21.20 | jelly | ananke: ask in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net, that's the place for debian-installer people |
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| 14:21.52 | ananke | ahh, thanks! |
| 14:21.54 | jelly | assuming it can't be done easily with a preseed |
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| 14:23.25 | ananke | unfortunately, i haven't found a way to do it with preseed. i got everything else in it |
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| 14:50.25 | Mvdevnull | hello, trying to install a debian at this stage Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.78-1 x86_64', but even I choose the iso debian-7.0.0-amd64-CD-1.iso, it's 3.2.81-1 .. any tips for me? |
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| 14:51.30 | umbaman | guys if I type "nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24" , what does 24 mean? |
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| 14:54.10 | stim | means subnet 24 |
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| 14:54.21 | stim | means 254 hosts in a net |
| 14:54.37 | umbaman | still I don't get it |
| 14:54.40 | stim | with that command your are scanning the .0 subnet |
| 14:54.43 | umbaman | what does number 30 do? |
| 14:54.49 | stim | it counts from 0-255 |
| 14:54.55 | stim | and you can use 1-254 |
| 14:55.06 | stim | it means the subnetmask and the setted bits |
| 14:55.12 | stim | i'll search an illustration |
| 14:55.13 | stim | sec |
| 14:55.16 | umbaman | ok |
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| 14:56.00 | stim | umbaman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subnetwork#Determining_the_network_prefix |
| 14:56.02 | jmcnaught | Mvdevnull: why are you installing Debian 7? It is no longer getting security support except for the LTS program which is mostly just for server software. It would be better to start with Debian 8, the current stable release that will be supported for a while. |
| 14:56.23 | fernie | install sipcalc or subnetcalc and you can play with the masks and subnets |
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| 14:56.32 | umbaman | let me study it |
| 14:56.34 | stim | umnbaman if you count the 1 in the subnetmask youll get 24 |
| 14:56.39 | umbaman | and i will come back |
| 14:56.43 | SynrG | umbaman: 24 is the number of bits in the network portion of the address. ipv4 has four dotted quads (a quad is 8 bits). so 255.255.255.0 is the same as 24 |
| 14:57.19 | umbaman | ah! I think I am getting it |
| 14:57.29 | stim | you can calculate by 2^8 2^7 2^6 2^5 |
| 14:57.31 | stim | and so one |
| 14:57.45 | stim | it's simple binary decimal conversion |
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| 14:58.05 | stim | http://www.subnet-calculator.com/ |
| 14:58.17 | stim | if you change the submet mask ther will result the mask bits |
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| 14:58.50 | umbaman | ok.. hold on |
| 14:58.52 | stim | are there any npm experts online? |
| 14:58.58 | umbaman | information overload! |
| 14:59.14 | umbaman | let me study the resources you sent me |
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| 14:59.41 | stim | umbaman good luck |
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| 14:59.48 | umbaman | thx |
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| 15:02.13 | murphy | is there a way to install wifi drivers from source with apt? |
| 15:02.47 | umbaman | so in essence, what does 24 do is that it masks out the 3 leftmost bytes. correct? |
| 15:03.09 | hassoon | murphy: tried non free firmwares ? |
| 15:03.18 | jmcnaught | murphy: one could turn source code into a Debian package, but there's is usually an easier way. What are you trying to get working? |
| 15:03.37 | angor | umbaman: ipcalc in Debian |
| 15:03.59 | jmcnaught | murphy: running "dmesg | grep -i firmware" will check for log messages about missing firmware files, which can help you figure out which firmware package you need to install |
| 15:04.28 | Mvdevnull | jmcnaught: I know, I use D8, but I need Debian 3.2.78-1 x86_64 for testing purpose |
| 15:04.32 | umbaman | angor: ipcalc or sipcalc? |
| 15:04.42 | murphy | i installed the firmware for it already |
| 15:04.54 | murphy | but it doesnt show up under the wifi manager |
| 15:05.02 | murphy | i have to do it all manually through the cli |
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| 15:05.10 | jmcnaught | Mvdevnull: you can look for it here: http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
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| 15:05.20 | murphy | i figured it i reinstalled it using apt it would be properly installed |
| 15:05.44 | jmcnaught | murphy: how did you install it? it's much easier to provide support if we know the details. |
| 15:06.07 | umbaman | yeap I get it... Thank you all ! |
| 15:06.25 | murphy | its a tplink so i downloaded their drivers and installed it manually using make, then copying the files to a directory |
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| 15:07.41 | jmcnaught | murphy: this method should be reserved as a last resort on Debian. It is likely that the kernel already has the driver, but that you needed to install a firmware file available as a package in the non-free repo. |
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| 15:08.12 | murphy | ah that sucks i knew it shouldnt have been that complicated |
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| 15:08.22 | jmcnaught | murphy: can you show us the line for your wifi with "lspci -nn | grep -i net" (or just "lsusb" if it's USB) |
| 15:08.26 | murphy | felt like it was 1996 again |
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| 15:09.02 | murphy | yeah let me spin up irc on that machine so i can copy paste |
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| 15:12.01 | Mvdevnull | jmcnaught: thanks will check |
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| 15:12.41 | umbaman | Within a local network a raspberry device is configured with dynamic IP, as follows |
| 15:12.47 | umbaman | auto eth0 allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 15:13.39 | umbaman | i know what is the mac address of the device, but it nowhere to be seen in the dhcp clients list of the router |
| 15:13.44 | umbaman | how can i find it? |
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| 15:13.59 | murphy | ok here is what shows up for that device: Bus 001 Device 007: ID 148f:761a Ralink Technology, Corp. |
| 15:14.34 | murphy | whats interesting is my other usb wifi adapter works automatically and its also ralink |
| 15:14.36 | murphy | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:3070 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2870/RT3070 Wireless Adapter |
| 15:15.01 | missmbob | ,pciid 148f:761a |
| 15:15.02 | judd | [148f:761a] is 'Unknown device' from 'Plant Equipment, Inc.' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=148f:761a |
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| 15:16.09 | jmcnaught | murphy: https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb tl;dr install firmware-ralink package in non-free |
| 15:16.32 | murphy | thanks let me try that |
| 15:17.18 | jmcnaught | murphy: hopefully when you ran "make install" for that driver source you downloaded from somewhere it was polite enough not to write over files owned by your kernel package |
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| 15:17.49 | murphy | yeah it didnt |
| 15:17.58 | murphy | because my other ralink works fine still |
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| 15:20.51 | murphy | also just out of curiosity if there a way to point apt to a specific package source and have it make and install it? |
| 15:20.55 | murphy | *is |
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| 15:23.24 | techie28 | Im getting The superblock could not be read or does not describe a valid ext2 when I try fsck on the external HDD |
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| 15:25.47 | jmcnaught | murphy: the proper way is to make a .deb package. An intro to this can be found with "/msg dpkg nmg". There are also kludgey methods like the program checkinstall that are often good enough for personal use |
| 15:26.40 | stoned | techie28, you need to restore from a backup copy of the superblock |
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| 15:30.35 | umbaman | i will repost my question just in case |
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| 15:30.48 | umbaman | Within a local network a raspberry device is configured with dynamic IP, as follows |
| 15:30.56 | spacemn | techie28, you can use dumpe2fs to find a superblock backup and specify it in mount with the sb option |
| 15:31.03 | umbaman | auto eth0 allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 15:31.15 | umbaman | i am aware of the mac address of the device, but it is nowhere to be seen in the dhcp clients list of the router |
| 15:31.27 | umbaman | how can I find it? |
| 15:31.36 | umbaman | is "nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24" enough? |
| 15:33.08 | spacemn | umbaman, is using avahi an option for you? |
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| 15:34.34 | umbaman | definately |
| 15:34.38 | umbaman | spacemn |
| 15:34.43 | techie28 | I was trying to remove Clonezilla from external HDD so I deleted some directories.. is this problem due to that? |
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| 15:35.15 | umbaman | spacemn: does it have to be installed on the raspberry device |
| 15:35.24 | umbaman | actually I don't know how to use it |
| 15:35.26 | spacemn | umbaman, but yeah, unless the rpi is firewalled it should be enough to find it, in my history I have nmap -sn 192.168.0.1/24 |
| 15:35.41 | umbaman | OK I'll try this |
| 15:35.53 | umbaman | but what if it doesn't show up? |
| 15:36.06 | umbaman | Does that mean that iface is down? |
| 15:36.14 | spacemn | umbaman, I should check the manual for -sP |
| 15:36.38 | umbaman | i believe -sP and -sn are the same |
| 15:37.09 | techie28 | spacemn: it says dumpe2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open |
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| 15:38.13 | umbaman | spacemn: it used to work with a static ip |
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| 15:39.21 | spacemn | techie28, the right partition? |
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| 15:40.09 | techie28 | spacemn: I ran dumpe2fs /dev/sd |
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| 15:40.24 | techie28 | spacemn: I ran dumpe2fs /dev/sdc |
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| 15:41.18 | techie28 | spacemn: the external HDD shows sdc/sdc1 on lsblk |
| 15:42.00 | spacemn | umbaman, the NIC worked before or is the first time you are trying it? |
| 15:42.11 | umbaman | it worked before |
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| 15:42.30 | umbaman | with static ip |
| 15:42.38 | spacemn | umbaman, cable is OK? ^__^ |
| 15:42.42 | umbaman | yeap |
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| 15:43.31 | sypher | techie28: Then use the partition, and not the whole device. |
| 15:43.35 | spacemn | umbaman, I will attach a monitor and a keyboard to check why is not working |
| 15:43.50 | umbaman | unfortunately this is not an option |
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| 15:44.15 | spacemn | techie28, you should use dumpe2fs /dev/sdc1 |
| 15:44.33 | umbaman | because the vendor won't give me the root password. He wants SD card back to reflash it |
| 15:45.10 | techie28 | spacemn: it is the same for that also |
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| 15:45.43 | Klaus_Dieter | umbaman: you could attach a serial console to the raspberrypi and read its utput when it boots. and find the ip address and maybe error messages |
| 15:45.56 | umbaman | true! |
| 15:46.06 | sypher | umbaman: Or learn how to reset the root password. |
| 15:46.06 | umbaman | I'll try this |
| 15:46.14 | techie28 | spacemn: Bad magic number in superblock,I deleted some directories in the HDD it is happening due to that? |
| 15:46.36 | umbaman | sypher: I tried that with no luck |
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| 15:46.52 | sypher | umbaman: Which gives no details on what you tried. |
| 15:46.55 | spacemn | umbaman, if you have physical access to it, you can boot with init=/bin/sh, modify /etc/shadow, etc. |
| 15:47.10 | umbaman | sypher: indeed |
| 15:47.33 | umbaman | well if I remember well you have to press a key while booting |
| 15:47.45 | spacemn | techie28, don't think so |
| 15:47.50 | umbaman | I tried that and nothing happened |
| 15:48.28 | spacemn | techie28, are you sure the partition is ext2/ext3? |
| 15:48.30 | umbaman | Klaus_Dieter: This is how I initially found the static IP |
| 15:48.35 | umbaman | so I will do it again |
| 15:48.35 | Klaus_Dieter | umbaman: if you have phyiscal access, then the root pasword is no problem. boot it and manipulate /etc/shadow or mount it somewhere, chroot into it and run passwd as root |
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| 15:49.09 | techie28 | spacemn: I was trying to delete "EFI" & "live" from the HDD.They were created when I installed clonezilla in the drive |
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| 15:49.26 | umbaman | spacemn: Klaus_Dieter: |
| 15:49.43 | umbaman | I am not aware of this procedure, so I will propably will pass |
| 15:49.54 | spacemn | techie28, but the partition, was formatted ext2/ext3? |
| 15:50.00 | sypher | umbaman: Or LEARN, as stated before. |
| 15:50.04 | umbaman | unless you could point me to some internet articles |
| 15:50.23 | Klaus_Dieter | umbaman: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Reset_root_password |
| 15:50.31 | techie28 | spacemn: I dont recall formatting it.It s just a USB HDD which I just plug in & use |
| 15:50.39 | umbaman | Klaus_Dieter: thanks a lot |
| 15:50.43 | umbaman | i will start from there |
| 15:51.10 | spacemn | techie28, only debian or other OSes? |
| 15:51.18 | Klaus_Dieter | techie28: then check if you are using the correctdevice/partition |
| 15:51.42 | techie28 | spacemn: windows also sometimes. |
| 15:51.49 | techie28 | Klaus_Dieter: how to do that? |
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| 15:52.11 | Klaus_Dieter | techie28: fdisk -l |
| 15:52.17 | spacemn | techie28, OK, it's not ext, it fat32/ntfs |
| 15:52.31 | techie28 | Klaus_Dieter: lsblk shows the device name correct (seagate) on path /dev/sdc |
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| 15:52.49 | umbaman | thanks a lot guys for all your help |
| 15:53.15 | pikaro | hi! I just dist-upgraded unstable (last time was maybe two weeks ago?) and suddenly get dropped to a terminal with Super+Fn. does anybody know if a default related to that recently changed? |
| 15:53.16 | maziar | i want to create HLS live streaming server, which chanal should i use ? |
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| 15:54.08 | techie28 | spacemn: what would that mean? |
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| 15:56.56 | Klaus_Dieter | techie28: are you working on the raw device or on a partition? |
| 15:56.58 | Klaus_Dieter | umbaman: np |
| 15:57.03 | Klaus_Dieter | did it work? |
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| 15:58.31 | spacemn | techie28, we are trying to know how is partitioned the disk, fsck reported that couldn't find a valid ext2 superblock |
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| 15:58.54 | techie28 | Klaus_Dieter: I just use it as a storage so it should be a raw device? |
| 15:59.24 | spacemn | techie28, I think your disk is formatted as VFAT or NTFS not ext2/ext3 |
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| 16:00.01 | techie28 | spacemn: /dev/sdc1 * 2048 1953521663 1953519616 931.5G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT |
| 16:00.30 | techie28 | thats right? |
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| 16:02.36 | spacemn | techie28, yeah, the fsck you tried was not correct |
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| 16:03.07 | Klaus_Dieter | techie28: usually there are partitions on devices |
| 16:03.13 | Klaus_Dieter | there you go |
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| 16:03.27 | techie28 | spacemn: so what should I do?I was only trying to remove 2 directories on the external HDD |
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| 16:04.08 | Klaus_Dieter | techie28: what file system did you format on top of /dev/sdc1? |
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| 16:04.29 | Klaus_Dieter | is it an ntfs? |
| 16:04.37 | SweetPear | My laptop crashes when I turn it out of hibernation |
| 16:04.48 | spacemn | Klaus_Dieter, I think it is |
| 16:04.53 | Klaus_Dieter | apt-get install ntfs-3g and afterwards mount -t ntfs /dev/sdc1 /mnt/foo |
| 16:04.56 | SweetPear | Does anyone know what can have caused that |
| 16:05.06 | techie28 | Klaus_Dieter : /dev/sdc1 * 2048 1953521663 1953519616 931.5G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT on fdisk -l |
| 16:05.38 | Klaus_Dieter | you might want to try mount -t auto /dev/sdc1 /mnt/foo too |
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| 16:07.00 | techie28 | Klaus_Dieter: I am able to see the contents of the drive from the GUI so is it not mounted already |
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| 16:09.16 | spacemn | techie28, is not mounted and you can see the contents? |
| 16:09.46 | techie28 | spacemn: it is mounted if I can see the contents no? |
| 16:09.47 | Mava | gees, how on earth it is now supposed to install zfs tools in debian |
| 16:10.05 | ompaul | techie28: what you said: if you can see contents AND it is not mounted ... then maybe you need to check the version of reality you are running ;-) |
| 16:11.06 | spacemn | techie28, usually, unless of cache, check with mount (execute mount without options) |
| 16:11.25 | techie28 | ompaul: I meant if I can see the contents of external drive that means it is mounted already isnt it? that was in reply of Klaus comment |
| 16:11.32 | WormFood | or, maybe they copied files to their mount point, and when they really mount it, they won't see the files they think are on the drive. |
| 16:13.03 | umbaman | is testdisk an option? |
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| 16:13.15 | ompaul | Mava: https://bits.debian.org/2016/05/what-does-it-mean-that-zfs-is-in-debian.html not the best news you could want |
| 16:13.16 | umbaman | techie28: is testdisk an option? |
| 16:13.26 | ompaul | umbaman: they left |
| 16:13.32 | Mava | ompaul: just reading it through |
| 16:13.46 | umbaman | oh ok |
| 16:14.03 | spacemn | SweetPear, nothing on syslog or kern.log? |
| 16:14.29 | SweetPear | spacemn: Let me take a look |
| 16:14.38 | Mava | ompaul: in other words, i should jump to DKMS |
| 16:14.47 | Mava | .. what is something i probably dont wanna do |
| 16:15.37 | Klaus_Dieter | Mava: I am using zfs on debian |
| 16:15.40 | Klaus_Dieter | it works really well |
| 16:16.00 | Mava | Klaus_Dieter: i did as well but after upgrading this stretch to the latest something broke up |
| 16:16.03 | Klaus_Dieter | I am using the debian-zfs package which uses dkms |
| 16:16.11 | Mava | Klaus_Dieter: on stable ? |
| 16:16.18 | ompaul | Mava: I wouldn't either. TBH a long time ago I read a very detailed article on ZFS I decided there and then not to investigate it further. |
| 16:16.19 | Klaus_Dieter | Mava: this is jessie I think |
| 16:16.28 | Klaus_Dieter | debian 8.4 |
| 16:16.32 | ompaul | Klaus_Dieter: uname -a |
| 16:16.32 | Mava | Klaus_Dieter: ack |
| 16:16.49 | Klaus_Dieter | Linux nas 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:17.07 | ompaul | looks like jessie |
| 16:17.24 | Mava | ompaul: you can just do it nicely with mdadm raid as well, its just unfortunate that at some point i decided to see the zfs and.. |
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| 16:18.21 | Klaus_Dieter | Mava: so what exactly happened? |
| 16:18.30 | Klaus_Dieter | Mava: what is broken? |
| 16:18.44 | spacemn | SweetPear, /var/log/syslog and/or /var/log/kern.log |
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| 16:19.22 | Mava | Klaus_Dieter: lemmee see, just purged all and getting it reinstalled. this could fix it nicely |
| 16:19.54 | techie28 | rm: cannot remove âEFI/boot/ocswp-grub2.pngâ: Input/output error |
| 16:20.18 | techie28 | I was trying to delete 2 directories only. |
| 16:20.51 | umbaman | techie28: is testdisk an option? |
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| 16:21.15 | Klaus_Dieter | techie28: if this is an efi volume then the file system is neither ext2 nor ntfs but vfat |
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| 16:21.25 | Klaus_Dieter | techie28: check if you have it mountet rw |
| 16:21.53 | SweetPear | spacemn: Nothing, only logs from a few hours ago |
| 16:22.53 | spacemn | SweetPear, could be anything, what kind of videocard? |
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| 16:23.05 | techie28 | umbaman: testdisk gives command not found |
| 16:23.43 | Klaus_Dieter | SweetPear: I had the same thing until I ran powertop and enabled all power-saving features in all drivers it suggested. That saved me the investigation and is something that can be done very quickly. it might be worth a shot. |
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| 16:24.10 | Klaus_Dieter | techie28: check if you have it mounted rw? |
| 16:24.15 | SweetPear | Klaus_Dieter: I'll try it |
| 16:24.27 | SweetPear | spacemn: Let me see |
| 16:24.42 | Klaus_Dieter | it is not much of an investigation though but if it works..... ;) |
| 16:25.07 | jhutchins | Is testdisk even a linux thing? |
| 16:25.39 | jhutchins | techie28: Can you list the file? |
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| 16:25.55 | umbaman | jhutchins: yeap |
| 16:26.07 | umbaman | Partition scanner and disk recovery tool, and PhotoRec file recovery tool |
| 16:26.23 | jhutchins | techie28: Are there errors in syslog or the output of dmesg | less? |
| 16:26.46 | jhutchins | ,v testdisk |
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| 16:26.48 | judd | Package: testdisk on amd64 -- wheezy: 6.13-1; jessie: 6.14-3+b3; stretch: 7.0-1+b1; sid: 7.0-1+b1 |
| 16:26.48 | Klaus_Dieter | jhutchins: it works on linux |
| 16:27.14 | Klaus_Dieter | techie28: so you are deleting two directories and cannot becouse you are getting an IO error, correcT? |
| 16:27.15 | SweetPear | spacemn: NVIDIA GeForce 9400M |
| 16:27.24 | spacemn | SweetPear, I have a dell xps13, if I use synergy and suspend/resume I have a kernel oops in the video driver ;__; |
| 16:27.26 | Klaus_Dieter | have you finally checked if your gui mounted your partition as rw? |
| 16:28.06 | SweetPear | spacemn: I've no idea if it is the video driver |
| 16:28.20 | jhutchins | spacemn: That's not uncommon, but I don't know if there's a fix. You could try a kernel from backports. |
| 16:28.48 | jhutchins | IO error is not a read-only error, that would say read-only. |
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| 16:29.50 | spacemn | SweetPear, you should check if others use the same laptop model with a linux distribution, and if they need to do something to enable suspendo/resume |
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| 16:31.20 | SweetPear | spacemn: It's a very old laptop, I don't think anyone uses it, even if they do, they'll probably run windows |
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| 16:32.57 | spacemn | jhutchins, I should try first with synergy support forum or file a bug on the intel driver |
| 16:33.00 | wyoung | SweetPear: old lappies means you install lubuntu or xubuntu |
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| 16:33.58 | spacemn | SweetPear, have you tried to search if others use it? |
| 16:34.10 | jhutchins | spacemn: I'd try an alternative kernel first. |
| 16:34.35 | jhutchins | spacemn: But yeah, searching forum archives is probably a good idea. |
| 16:34.55 | jhutchins | wyoung: Or you install Debian. |
| 16:35.09 | spacemn | jhutchins, are there recent kernels on debian backports? |
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| 16:35.15 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 16:35.17 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1) |
| 16:35.34 | wyoung | jhutchins: not if you want an uptodate OS |
| 16:35.46 | SweetPear | spacemn: Couldn't find anything |
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| 16:36.38 | saturos | tested Debian and you are 100% right - graphics and video are very slow. back to RemixOs |
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| 16:41.19 | spacemn | jhutchins, I used debian unstable for years but I decided to stick with Jessie because I'm getting old |
| 16:41.49 | spacemn | SweetPear, model and maker? |
| 16:42.14 | SweetPear | spacemn: Compaq Mini 311 |
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| 16:43.34 | ma_ | hai iam unable to install xchat in debian stretch |
| 16:43.46 | ma_ | can anybody tell me ,which source list to add |
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| 16:44.36 | towo` | xchat is dead |
| 16:44.44 | towo` | uns hexchat instead |
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| 16:44.50 | towo` | s/uns/use |
| 16:45.10 | ma_ | towo`: can you tell me how to install it |
| 16:45.27 | towo` | apt install hexchat |
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| 16:45.47 | ma_ | towo`: and i am not able to install java 1.7 also to run cts tests |
| 16:46.03 | ma_ | towo`: its giving alot of errors |
| 16:46.15 | jhutchins | ,v xchat |
| 16:46.19 | judd | Package: xchat on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.8.8-7.1; jessie: 2.8.8-7.3 |
| 16:46.38 | spacemn | SweetPear, I've found an HP mini 311 atom with nvidia with the same suspend/resume problem ^_^ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Old/HPMini311 |
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| 16:47.32 | ma_ | judd: what is it ? |
| 16:47.36 | wyoung | towo`: use irssi |
| 16:47.43 | wyoung | towo`: no, use bitchx |
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| 16:48.38 | jhutchins | irssi in screen is good, you can leave it connected and link from anywhere you can ssh from. |
| 16:49.15 | SweetPear | spacemn: Everytime I search something on google in English I can't find it, I'm Dutch, sorry :P |
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| 16:53.11 | r3m | ,v bash |
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| 16:55.09 | jhutchins | SweetPear: Run the search through google translate? |
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| 16:55.20 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 16:55.21 | spacemn | SweetPear, Hewlett-Packard Compaq Mini 311-1000 the laptop is the same |
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| 16:56.09 | ma_ | iam getting this error in debian iam unable to fix it "Wrong java version. 1.6 or 1.7 is required." |
| 16:56.24 | johnfg | Any way to get rid of this message concerning Adobe Flash in firefox? "Firefox has prevented the outdated plugin "Adobe Flash" from running... |
| 16:56.46 | jhutchins | johnfg: 32b? |
| 16:57.04 | jhutchins | johnfg: The obvious answer is to update flash. |
| 16:57.26 | spacemn | jhutchins, I was writing the same... ^__^ |
| 16:57.46 | spacemn | jhutchins, or remove it |
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| 17:02.19 | wyoung | nn |
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| 17:07.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | johnfg, if you have flash via the "flashplugin-nonfree" package, running /usr/sbin/update-flashplugin-nonfree --install as root updates it⦠|
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| 17:07.47 | johnfg | jhutchins: You would think. I actually forgot that I needed to use /usr/sbin/update-flashplugin-nonfree, to update it. |
| 17:08.01 | johnfg | As all my other updating is always current. |
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| 17:08.15 | johnfg | Should that be run as user or as root? |
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| 17:09.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | johnfg, update-flashplugin-nonfree --status can show a newer version available than it'll install, that is because the debian maintainer has to do something (sign a file or so) before you can get any new version. if you need newer than available, you can always just download and extract the .so file manually and put it in place |
| 17:09.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | johnfg, I think I already answered that |
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| 17:12.30 | johnfg | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks man! |
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| 17:13.52 | dobian | what options does nano use by default in debian that aren't default in other distros? |
| 17:14.01 | leba2 | Sorry if it's stupid question... I did an apt full-upgrade on debian, but since it's a vm with small hdd space is running out. I read apt needed some space for downloading packages themselves and some more for extracting/installing. |
| 17:14.17 | leba2 | Can I delete only the downloaded packages to save some hdd space? |
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| 17:14.26 | leba2 | Anyway, they're already installed... |
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| 17:14.32 | leba2 | And I don't want to resize the vm... |
| 17:14.39 | Klaus_Dieter | I jsut installed icinga2 on debian I am hoping to follow this tutorial https://www.unixe.de/icinga2-und-client-node/ but icinga2 node list does not do what it does in the command. did the packaign somehow change the icinga distribution? |
| 17:14.53 | leba2 | Er, truth to be told I upgraded from jessie to stretch. |
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| 17:15.32 | SynrG | dobian: compile options? best answered by examining the package source. |
| 17:15.35 | greycat | leba2: apt-get clean, or apt-get autoclean |
| 17:15.57 | SynrG | dobian: make sure you have a deb-src line in your sources.list, then 'apt-get source nano' |
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| 17:16.05 | dobian | k |
| 17:16.21 | SynrG | dobian: check for any debian/patches, and look at debian/rules |
| 17:17.37 | leba2 | let me try... |
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| 17:19.18 | mahesh | hai any one can help to install java 1.7 |
| 17:20.21 | greycat | mahesh: the one that's in jessie isn't working? Do you need Sun^H^H^HOracle's versoin? |
| 17:20.38 | mahesh | greycat, am using debian stretch |
| 17:20.51 | greycat | stops caring |
| 17:21.00 | mahesh | i wanted to run android cts test , but it is need to have java 1.7 |
| 17:21.07 | mahesh | but i already have 1.8 |
| 17:21.10 | missmbob | mahesh: /topic |
| 17:21.20 | mahesh | greycat, can you help on that |
| 17:21.27 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 17:21.28 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:21.49 | mahesh | greycat, sorry? |
| 17:21.56 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 17:22.30 | mahesh | i didn't get you |
| 17:23.38 | leba2 | mahesh: that you should first connect to the oftc network, this is the freenode network |
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| 17:24.24 | mahesh | leba2, sorry am new to this , why like that? can't i ask in #debian? |
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| 17:25.16 | missmbob | leba2: it's off topic. #debian-next on oftc is the testing support channel. you installed stretch so there you go |
| 17:25.29 | leba2 | ^ there |
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| 17:26.15 | mahesh | missmbob, it is giving error channel is invite only |
| 17:26.33 | missmbob | mahesh: because you fail to read everything. the both and two people have now told you it's on OFTC, not freenode |
| 17:26.43 | missmbob | the bot* |
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| 17:27.54 | mahesh | missmbob, i aplogizes for that , am completly newbie , that's why made trouble |
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| 17:38.47 | SteppenII | #conkeror |
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| 17:49.46 | FreshDumbledore | so, the only way to get Widevine Content Decryption Module working on debian is to switch to ubuntus chrome binary instead of chromium? |
| 17:49.48 | FreshDumbledore | is that right? |
| 17:50.41 | somiaj | FreshDumbledore: don't get chrome from ubuntu, get google-chrome from google's .deb pakage. It works in ubuntu and debian (just clarifying that is what you meant). |
| 17:50.42 | pugfantus | So, I'm having a weird hardware issue on stable... every drive that's on ata6, which is on a 4 port sata card, dies... I've replaced the card, 2 drives and 3 sata cables, each one goes into drive failure shortly there after |
| 17:50.58 | greycat | I have no idea what a Widevine wossname is, but are you saying the Debian and Ubuntu binaries of google-chrome coming from google are actually different? |
| 17:51.06 | somiaj | FreshDumbledore: and yes as far as I know. I don't think anyone has found a way to rip that extension out of the google-chrome for chroium like they do with pepperflash. |
| 17:51.23 | somiaj | greycat: it is what is needed to watch netflix on linux via google-chrome. |
| 17:51.40 | FreshDumbledore | somiaj, hmm okay, found an article telling to use ubuntu's ppa for that, thats why i referenced ubuntu |
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| 17:52.04 | somiaj | FreshDumbledore: no you don't want to use ubuntu's ppa for debian. Just get the package from google. |
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| 17:52.55 | FreshDumbledore | somiaj, there is an older (?) article for arch how to rip the module and deploy it to chromium but the urls inside the script are outdated so icant try it |
| 17:53.13 | FreshDumbledore | https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=chromium-widevine |
| 17:53.18 | greycat | So, again, can't you just use the standard debian google-chrome package from google? |
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| 17:53.40 | FreshDumbledore | well they seem to extract the deb and just move some files |
| 17:53.40 | somiaj | FreshDumbledore: I just use the .deb from google and watch netflix just fine. |
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| 17:54.12 | greycat | I use a television and a Roku. But anyway. |
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| 17:55.02 | merlin_ | Hi folks! Anybody fancy a deeply disturbing puzzle? |
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| 17:56.47 | merlin_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:57.26 | greycat | Does the puzzle involve "I added lines to sources.list" or "I changed some lines in sources.list"? |
| 17:57.57 | merlin_ | greycat, nope, it's a real humdinger ... |
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| 17:58.10 | merlin_ | dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libgcrypt20_1.6.3-2+deb8u2_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 17:58.10 | merlin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.10 | dpkg | merlin_: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 17:58.58 | cra1g321 | paste.debian.net > pastebin |
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| 17:59.23 | merlin_ | It's complaining that the filename is too long ... the output is weird, I will try to pastebin |
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| 18:04.56 | Livingroom | hello fellow debian users! i have a small issue: i have just installed debian 8.5 on a Citrix Xenserver virtual environment. but the GUI won't start; what am i doing wrong? previously with 8.0 i didnt have to do anything special! |
| 18:05.04 | merlin_ | http://paste.debian.net/791532/ |
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| 18:05.16 | merlin_ | greycat, http://paste.debian.net/791532/ |
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| 18:05.51 | merlin_ | Livingroom, have you tried running "startx"? |
| 18:05.53 | greycat | Why am I seeing a long line of ***** |
| 18:06.11 | missmbob | same here |
| 18:06.11 | Livingroom | merlin_, yes - but it says no screens found |
| 18:06.14 | cra1g321 | also dont cut off the command -_- |
| 18:06.19 | merlin_ | I have no idea, been running debian for years and never seen anything like it |
| 18:06.26 | spacemn | jhutchins, dude sweet! looks like the kernel 4.6.0 on backport doesn't crash the video driver with suspend/resume when using synergy, thanks for the suggestion! |
| 18:06.48 | cra1g321 | maybe delete the deb from the cache and try again ? |
| 18:07.42 | merlin_ | cra1g321, I just fed the output to the file and uploaded it, it's as is! |
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| 18:08.13 | merlin_ | I also tried dowloading the deb file direct from pool and installing manually, but same error |
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| 18:08.37 | cra1g321 | no need for the !, im saying when you paste something, dont cut off the command at the start |
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| 18:09.37 | merlin_ | oops apologies, I use ! a lot :) just did sudo apt-get update upgrade > bug.txt |
| 18:09.50 | greycat | I'm also confused about why there is no newline between "Do you want to continue? [Y/n]" and "Preconfiguring packages ..." |
| 18:10.05 | greycat | OH GOD YOU REDIRECTED |
| 18:10.10 | cra1g321 | sudo apt-get update upgrade |
| 18:10.13 | cra1g321 | bingo.... |
| 18:10.15 | greycat | who knows what the hell that changed.... |
| 18:10.36 | merlin_ | typo ... I did them seperately |
| 18:11.03 | `Kevin | merlin_: can you pastebin (dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/libgcrypt20_1.6.3-2+deb8u2_i386.deb) |
| 18:11.06 | merlin_ | I only redirected to get the output, it was too long to copy |
| 18:11.26 | greycat | So you lied to us about what command you ran, and you didn't accurately paste the NON-REDIRECTED TERMINAL OUTPUT of a command.... |
| 18:11.37 | `Kevin | ^ |
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| 18:11.53 | merlin_ | *facepalm* |
| 18:12.22 | greycat | And you probably did some crazy shit to answer the Y/n prompt and you didn't say what THAT was... |
| 18:12.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can just hit "y" if you know that's needed... that's not very crazy |
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| 18:14.01 | Livingroom | hello fellow debian users! i have a small issue: i have just installed debian 8.5 on a Citrix Xenserver virtual environment. but the GUI won't start; what am i doing wrong? previously with 8.0 i didnt have to do anything special! |
| 18:14.21 | greycat | I just CAN'T make any god damned sense of this thing in elinks. I don't know many thousands of milliseconds to hold down the } key to try to find the end of the stupid-ass line of **** that elinks does not wrap. |
| 18:14.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | merlin_, did you already delete (or move) /var/cache/apt/archives/libgcrypt20_1.6.3-2+deb8u2_i386.deb and try again? |
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| 18:14.39 | jhutchins | Livingroom: Is there a Citrix tools package that might have the video driver? |
| 18:14.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, the end just says "File name too long" |
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| 18:15.22 | merlin_ | http://pastebin.com/8j77zbDF |
| 18:15.45 | merlin_ | CutMeOwnThroat, I get the same result from dowloading the deb file and running through gdebi |
| 18:15.59 | merlin_ | but I will give it a shot |
| 18:16.22 | `Kevin | moves on |
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| 18:16.51 | Livingroom | jhutchins i dont think so - and i've never needed them before |
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| 18:17.02 | dstack | how long does it take to compile linux kernel |
| 18:17.34 | `Kevin | dstack: how many modules are you compiling and what cpu do you have... |
| 18:17.34 | jhutchins | Livingroom: Well, study your logs, see what they say is wrong. |
| 18:17.35 | greycat | merlin_: if you can't find out which file you corrupted by putting 17000 * characters in it in a text editor (perhaps /var/lib/dpkg/status) then your next step is probably to strace the whole damned thing to find out which file it is reading the stars from. |
| 18:17.56 | Livingroom | jhutchins the only thing it says is "no screens found" |
| 18:17.58 | jhutchins | dstack: That question has been one of the biggest since the kernel was first compiled. |
| 18:18.11 | jhutchins | dstack: For a long time it was considered a good benchmark for a system. |
| 18:18.12 | dstack | i have i7 6700k |
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| 18:18.20 | greycat | And then in the future, you can tell your alternate personalities to stop taking control of your body and editing important OS files with text editors and then falling face-first onto the asterisk key. |
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| 18:18.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | merlin_, well⦠it's failing to unpack it because the archive contains some very long filename. It's a bit of a riddle, though, because I thought apt checks md5sum (and/or sha1) against the sum in the Packages file |
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| 18:18.34 | jhutchins | Livingroom: That sounds like you're trying to run it over ssh or something. |
| 18:18.42 | `Kevin | merlin_: again post dpkg -c |
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| 18:20.52 | `Kevin | merlin_: also cat /proc/mounts |
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| 18:21.37 | `Kevin | or /etc/fstab rather (which filesystem are you using?) |
| 18:21.52 | dstack | my cpu only has 6 cores |
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| 18:22.22 | greycat | "only" |
| 18:22.35 | merlin_ | Here's the proc/mounts http://paste.debian.net/791534/ |
| 18:22.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | merlin_, and I don't see how anything else but the package could have the --unpack of the archive fail (except if the unpacking program is corrupt in some strangely specific way) ⦠you can always manually unpack the archive and look inside. The outer shell is an "ar" archive, it contains 3 files inside that are tar files (tar.gz tar.xz) |
| 18:23.02 | sypher | dstack: You mean 4 cores and 8 threads. |
| 18:23.27 | dstack | do threads count as cores |
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| 18:25.11 | merlin_ | dpkg -c gives me the same weirdness |
| 18:25.11 | dpkg | merlin_: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 18:25.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | threads are how many times in parallel a program runs, something like the number of processes. cores are the number of cpu units in the hardware. if you have more threads than cores, (some of) the existing threads have to share timeslots on a core |
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| 18:26.08 | sypher | dstack: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-threading |
| 18:26.37 | greycat | CutMeOwnThroat is citing the programmer's definition of "threads", which are lightweight process-like things and have nothing to do with hardware. |
| 18:26.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | and to make it a little more complicated, there is hyperthreading⦠which basically (it's a bit more complicated) means that there are two virtual core running on one physical core |
| 18:26.50 | greycat | Other people are using "threads" to mean some crazy newfangled hardware thing. |
| 18:26.57 | `Kevin | merlin_: see if you can use av + tar xzvf to extract it manually or get a more useful error |
| 18:27.37 | greycat | `Kevin: my money is still on a corrupted /var/lib/dpkg/status file which I note an utter lack of reports from merlin_ saying that he verified and is not corrupt |
| 18:27.56 | hiya | How to completely clean debian's iptables? |
| 18:27.56 | merlin_ | greycat, I'm getting to that one |
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| 18:28.03 | greycat | Very hard to figure out what the hell this error message means when it doesn't say who tried to do what. |
| 18:28.05 | hiya | so that nothing appears when I do iptables-save |
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| 18:30.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | hiya, it's clear by default⦠uninstall whatever package you installed that put stuff in there (there are :INPUT/:FORWARD/:OUTPUT accept lines even when it is "empty", though) |
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| 18:30.29 | spacemn | good night folks |
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| 18:31.08 | Guest_84848 | allah is doing |
| 18:31.13 | Guest_84848 | sun is not doing allah is doing |
| 18:31.22 | Guest_84848 | moon is not doing allah is doing |
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| 18:33.00 | merlin_ | hmmm, dpkg status file too long to use pastebin ... can I just tail it? |
| 18:33.15 | greycat | DO NOT PASTE IT!!! |
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| 18:33.21 | greycat | WE DON'T WANT TO READ IT FOR YOU!! |
| 18:33.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, if you refer to (hyper-)threads with that, I'd rather like to have/keep a clear distinction between hyperthreading and the threads of a program. I'm with you on the crazieness of hyperthreading, though :) With them on, it has become pretty much impossible to tell what percentage of your machine is busy |
| 18:33.26 | greycat | YOU MUST VERIFY IT YOURSELF! |
| 18:33.31 | greycat | GAAAAAG |
| 18:33.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ey, a little less caps maybe? |
| 18:33.48 | greycat | Why the fuck does everyone want us to do THEIR work FOR them? |
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| 18:34.47 | greycat | besides how hard is it to type "grep -F '***' .../status" and see if there is output or not |
| 18:35.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | merlin_, just look for overly long lines⦠or do a vimdiff with status-old (there's also another backup of the same file somewhere else on the system) |
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| 18:35.35 | missmbob | i'm not entirely sure it is plain *. my browser threw weird ?? characters |
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| 18:35.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, you see them as **, but they aren't asterixes. Firefox shows them as that ? on black ground, they're some unprintable character |
| 18:36.00 | greycat | Ahhh. Someone who's not on Latin-1 should have checked me on that. I don't know what kind of mangling elinks is doing. |
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| 18:36.27 | greycat | yet another reason I hate pastebins :( |
| 18:36.38 | missmbob | and i didnt see his other paste because he went to pastebin.com |
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| 18:37.37 | merlin_ | I think the characters are <FF> at least this is what less showed them as, not sure if that means formfeed or 0xFF |
| 18:38.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I just did. I didn't realize before that you really literally meant "*" |
| 18:38.19 | merlin_ | missmbob, could use paste.debian because the output was too long |
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| 18:38.40 | greycat | Just *what*. |
| 18:38.54 | greycat | Is it because of an INDIVIDUAL line length? |
| 18:39.01 | pissfrog | hi guys. is there a command line tool like 'fpaste' in debian? |
| 18:39.27 | pissfrog | 'fpaste' is a tool that allows pasting from command line in Fedora to their fpaste.org site |
| 18:39.37 | greycat | !pastebinit |
| 18:39.37 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 18:40.24 | pissfrog | thanks greycat |
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| 18:41.20 | merlin_ | greycat, although all those <FF> characters are on one line the paste is limited to 150Kb |
| 18:41.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also nopaste |
| 18:41.28 | jelly | and curl |
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| 18:41.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't want to curl my hair, thanks. |
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| 18:42.05 | jelly | <command> | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
| 18:42.25 | greycat | Again, my ability to understand what you are seeing is mangled by elinks. I don't get any kind of progress bar or anything to give me a hint how long your line of SOME-CHARACTER-THAT-IS-APPARENTLY-NOT-REALLY-* was. :( |
| 18:42.26 | Reventlov | Hi. Trying to install debian in a fakechroot // debootstrap, I get https://ptpb.pw/cR2G |
| 18:43.05 | jelly | greycat: however long it was, it ended with.... [not asterisks]: File name too long |
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| 18:43.50 | greycat | jelly: for some reason I am able to see those words in the pastebin.com version of his output (they appear on a separate screen-line below the ****** part even though this screen-line does not have a new number in front of it). |
| 18:44.01 | greycat | Couldn't see them in the paste.debian.net version though. |
| 18:44.06 | merlin_ | I wonder if it's something wacky with my express-disk (full-discl. I don't actually have a hard drive) |
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| 18:45.55 | jelly | it sure isn't soft, either |
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| 18:46.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | merlin_, does dpkg --unpack /var/cache/apt/archives/libgcrypt20_1.6.3-2+deb8u2_i386.deb give the same error? |
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| 18:47.29 | teraflops | Reventlov: hmm I use the archiso for deboostraping debian |
| 18:47.48 | merlin_ | CutMeOwnThroat, yep same weirdness |
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| 18:48.16 | teraflops | sorry I don't know if I invented that word or I just mistyped it |
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| 18:49.17 | jelly | merlin_: what does "md5sum /var/cache/apt/archives/libgcrypt20_1.6.3-2+deb8u2_i386.deb" say? |
| 18:49.32 | jelly | 00afca10....? |
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| 18:50.07 | merlin_ | 00afca1026276fb56960d2dc6fb8f2d1 |
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| 18:50.34 | missmbob | i just got f463c83d7725ccb98938ccdd40f1344d from jessie/updates |
| 18:50.49 | jelly | missmbob: are you on i386 |
| 18:50.56 | missmbob | oh missed that. |
| 18:51.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems exactly the one I have |
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| 18:51.51 | jelly | merlin_: then yeah, you may have a filesystem issue, whether it be software or hardware caused |
| 18:51.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | and sha1sum of it is 11356cfd39d458477c485a1c2d5cc88221de1f72 ? |
| 18:52.07 | jelly | merlin_: which fs type are you using for the / filesystem? |
| 18:52.26 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: if you don't trust md5 the terrorists have already won |
| 18:52.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, but why'd md5sum be able to read the file as for the correct md5sum and dpkg not |
| 18:52.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | that doesn't make any sense |
| 18:52.58 | greycat | I'm not understanding how a file system corruption issue would cause him to have the correct MD5 sum but an incorrect unpacking. If he's getting the wrong bytes for unpacking, he should also get the wrong bytes for md5sum. |
| 18:53.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just said that! |
| 18:53.25 | greycat | Which would then point to a corrupted /usr/bin/dpkg-deb program? |
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| 18:53.41 | jelly | consider the possibility the unpacking is doing the unpacking in the wrong place due to fs shenanigans (or even a simple symlink) |
| 18:54.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, (or dpkg or a lib) but what I THEN don't understand is why it's so specifically corrupted that it runs fine but complains about the file's contents |
| 18:54.03 | jelly | merlin_: aaand md5sum /usr/bin/dpkg-deb ? |
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| 18:54.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, he got the same error with dpkg --unpack |
| 18:54.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | so either one of those two is using the other⦠|
| 18:54.55 | jelly | I'd first look at dmesg, then if there's nothing suspect strace dpkg |
| 18:55.22 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: who says dpkg is corrupted. |
| 18:55.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, couldn't his /tmp (or $TMPDIR) be a corrupt filesystem? |
| 18:56.23 | jelly | waits for fs type |
| 18:56.36 | jelly | wanna bet it's something silly like btrfs |
| 18:56.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | then the ar archive would probably be extracted there and yield corrupted data.tar.xz or control.tar.gz files |
| 18:56.44 | greycat | straces a dpkg --unpack locally and it calls 19730 execve("/usr/bin/dpkg-deb", ["dpkg-deb", "--control", ... |
| 18:56.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, fair enough |
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| 18:58.49 | merlin_ | jelly, f24d3c4c66a00c208bdc2d58f593b50f |
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| 18:59.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | and dpkg -l dpkg |
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| 19:01.05 | jelly | that seems to be neither 1.17.26 nor 1.17.27 |
| 19:01.17 | merlin_ | fs is ext4 |
| 19:01.25 | pissfrog | so what's the difference between apt-get and aptitude? |
| 19:01.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | merlin_, and "dpkg -l dpkg" ? |
| 19:01.42 | pissfrog | is aptitude replacing apt-get? |
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| 19:01.49 | jelly | !why aptitude |
| 19:01.49 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 19:02.02 | merlin_ | has to vanish quickly brb |
| 19:02.11 | merlin_ | CutMeOwnThroat, 1.17.27 |
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| 19:02.30 | pissfrog | thanks, i haven't used debian in many years and i'm still doing the apt-get thing |
| 19:02.31 | jelly | merlin_: that thing is different from my own dpkg-deb 1.7.27 on i386 |
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| 19:02.47 | jelly | 4c0d26e28b7bec11f6e2bac0919c5c93 /usr/bin/dpkg-deb |
| 19:02.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | pissfrog, apt-get has simpler dependency resolving mechanisms, which is faster, but gives up much easier⦠aptitude has an ncurses interface and some other command options |
| 19:03.06 | jelly | merlin_: yousa got some bit flipped! |
| 19:03.08 | mik | !why apt-get |
| 19:03.08 | dpkg | For big upgrades such as from stable to testing, apt-get will often behave better than aptitude (this used to be the other way around as aptitude was recommended for etch->lenny). Aptitude's resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results, but then apt-get will often just give up and provide no assistance in the same situation. Chose the right tool for the job and pay attention. |
| 19:03.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | 7801095308d30f9d41bde3303260f1ca /usr/bin/dpkg-deb |
| 19:03.25 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: i386 jessie? |
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| 19:04.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | amd64 jessie, dpkg 1.17.27 |
| 19:05.35 | jelly | because it's fun to paste checksums! |
| 19:05.52 | jelly | merlin_: run "debsums dpkg" |
| 19:05.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, he is fully on i386? I didn't realize because I have the same deb because of multi-arch (and thought he has the same) |
| 19:06.20 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: you can't possibly have the same deb, dpkg isn't a multiarch capable package |
| 19:06.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I meant of the previous one libgcrypt |
| 19:07.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | up to now I could compare 1:1 |
| 19:07.36 | jelly | merlin_: when you're back also show the output of "dpkg --print-architecture" or "dpkg -l dpkg|tail -n 1" |
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| 19:10.22 | Reventlov | Hi. Trying to install debian in a fakechroot // debootstrap, I get https://ptpb.pw/cR2G |
| 19:10.23 | Reventlov | any idea ? |
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| 19:10.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, any idea? |
| 19:10.56 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of condoms, a little WD-40, and a dozen three-legged oxen. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 19:11.38 | greycat | puts the chips back on "corrupt /var/lib/dpkg/status file" |
| 19:11.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Reventlov, the error says it⦠you have entries that don't have all required lines in /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 19:11.57 | jelly | Reventlov: which debian release? what's the host OS and release? what's the exact command line you used? |
| 19:12.20 | greycat | I would look in /var/lib/dpkg/status near line 5 |
| 19:12.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like a good idea :) |
| 19:13.16 | Reventlov | jelly: I use https://github.com/ProgVal/debian-anywhere/blob/master/debian_anywhere.py |
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| 19:13.35 | jelly | Reventlov: ok, but can you answer my questions? |
| 19:13.38 | Reventlov | OS/release: ubuntu trusty 14.04 lts |
| 19:13.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Reventlov, you can also compare (diff or vimdiff) /var/lib/dpkg/status and /var/lib/dpkg/status ⦠and then decide if you can copy the -old file over the regular status file or not |
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| 19:13.49 | Reventlov | about "debian release", well, stable. |
| 19:13.51 | tbrb | hey folks, I tried starting mysqld earlier but it's failing - journalctl reports "/etc/init.d/mysql[10299]: /etc/init.d/mysql: line 110: /usr/bin/mysqld_safe: No such file or directory" - I've tried using locate in case the path has changed but I can't find it around. Does anyone have any clues to what may have happened? |
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| 19:14.00 | Reventlov | it's written in the script. |
| 19:14.04 | greycat | judd file /usr/bin/mysqld_safe |
| 19:14.07 | judd | Search for /usr/bin/mysqld_safe in jessie/amd64: mysql-server-5.5: usr/bin/mysqld_safe; mariadb-server-10.0: usr/bin/mysqld_safe |
| 19:14.34 | greycat | Try reinstalling your mariadb or mysql package. |
| 19:14.43 | Reventlov | CutMeOwnThroat: this is not the problem. |
| 19:14.49 | jelly | Reventlov: can you figure out the actual way debootstrap gets called? |
| 19:14.52 | Reventlov | CutMeOwnThroat: the real problem is "dpkg: symbol lookup error: dpkg: undefined symbol: setexecfilecon" |
| 19:15.15 | Reventlov | jelly: Calling fakeroot with arguments: ('/home/rgrunbla/debian-anywhere/deb/utils/bin/fakechroot', '/tmp/tmpufwa_2c_/bin/debootstrap', '--variant=fakechroot', 'stable', '/home/rgrunbla/debian-anywhere/deb/root') |
| 19:15.39 | Reventlov | just to be really clear: I'm using fakechroot, not fakeroot |
| 19:15.54 | squigz | Can someone recommend a small recovery distro that includes gparted? I need to resize my root partition |
| 19:15.55 | jelly | Reventlov: can you replace "stable" with "jessie" and see what happens |
| 19:16.00 | Reventlov | let's try. |
| 19:16.09 | jelly | ,v debootstrap |
| 19:16.10 | judd | Package: debootstrap on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.48+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 1.0.64~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.0.67; jessie-backports: 1.0.81~bpo8+1; sid: 1.0.81; stretch: 1.0.81 |
| 19:16.12 | missmbob | squigz: gparted has its own live iso |
| 19:16.22 | squigz | missmbob: nice! thanks |
| 19:16.37 | jelly | good, 1.0.81 seems to be current latest thing |
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| 19:17.12 | Reventlov | will take some time :) |
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| 19:18.09 | jelly | Reventlov: is there a reason you're using that script instead of picking your own distro's fakechroot and fakeroot, and the latest debootstrap? |
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| 19:18.24 | Reventlov | jelly: i'm not root. |
| 19:18.42 | up2late | my clock is about 30 mins too fast.. how do i set the correct time? |
| 19:18.43 | Reventlov | Can't install thing on the machine I want to use, yeah. |
| 19:19.03 | jelly | up2late: is it a physical or a virtual machine? |
| 19:19.35 | jelly | squigz: gparted poeple have their own live image |
| 19:20.12 | jelly | get it from, um, gparted.org |
| 19:20.40 | jelly | can't read the backlog |
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| 19:22.56 | squigz | jelly: Nice try :) |
| 19:23.03 | squigz | A for effort |
| 19:23.35 | up2late | jelly: physical |
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| 19:24.22 | M4GNV5 | is there a reason why there is no virtualbox-fuse in jessie anymore? Is there a better way to mount virtual drives? |
| 19:24.31 | jelly | up2late: ok, is it online 24/7? |
| 19:24.40 | up2late | yep |
| 19:24.42 | Reventlov | same problem with jessie. |
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| 19:25.08 | jelly | apparently the fakechroot thing doesn't fake everything it ought to |
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| 19:33.25 | jelly | Reventlov: can you enter the fake chroot with a different command and run ldd /usr/bin/dpkg |
| 19:34.04 | greycat | wonders why anyone would do this uber-complicated python thing that does not work, instead of a much simpler chroot |
| 19:34.12 | jelly | up2late: good, then install "ntp" |
| 19:34.24 | jelly | greycat: you need to be root to chroot |
| 19:34.42 | greycat | Not seeing the problem. |
| 19:34.59 | Reventlov | greycat: i'm not root. |
| 19:35.17 | greycat | So become root. |
| 19:35.32 | jelly | up2late: additionally, edit /etc/default/ntp, add -g option to NTPD_OPTS='...' if it's not already there, and restart the ntp service |
| 19:35.44 | jelly | !ntp |
| 19:35.45 | dpkg | The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" is enough to get going and synchronise your clock using the default ntp pool. http://wiki.debian.org/NTP http://www.ntp.org/ See also <set time>, <pool.ntp>. |
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| 19:53.55 | akoy | hi all! My Debian diskless client cannot boot from the NFS server. Could you please help me? |
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| 20:03.50 | blankfear | Hello everyone. i am setting up kernel EFISTUB by efibootmgr, but i am getting following error: "Could not set variable Boot0003: No such file or directory". thanks. |
| 20:03.56 | petn-randall | akoy: At what step is it stuck? |
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| 20:09.02 | blankfear | any idea? |
| 20:09.37 | petn-randall | blankfear: Why not use grub? |
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| 20:11.19 | blankfear | pent-randall: because i think i don't need it since i just need one OS(no dual boot). |
| 20:11.58 | petn-randall | blankfear: You can still have more than one kernel installed, in case you break something on the current one. |
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| 20:12.38 | petn-randall | blankfear: Also you can pass other parameters to the kernel, so it for example boots into rescue mode, or starts in debug mode, etc. |
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| 20:12.51 | petn-randall | blankfear: Those features go away if you try to boot via efistub. |
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| 20:14.30 | blankfear | petn-randall: still the main issue is [U]EFI. even if i try using grub-efi, efibootmgr gives the same result. |
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| 20:15.44 | akoy | petn-randall: Debian client loads kernel and also initramfs |
| 20:16.04 | akoy | petn-randall: last line before it stucks is "[ OK ] Started /etc/rc.local Compatibility." |
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| 20:16.48 | petn-randall | blankfear: Which release are you using? |
| 20:17.23 | blankfear | petn-randall: debootstrapped Jessie. |
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| 20:17.54 | petn-randall | blankfear: And you're currently chrooted? |
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| 20:18.09 | blankfear | petn-randall: yes. |
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| 20:18.35 | akoy | petn-randall: after "[ OK ] Started /etc/rc.local Compatibility." the console enter in "loop" with "[ 22.214332] nfs: server 192.168.0.3 not responding, still trying". |
| 20:18.44 | blankfear | petn-randall: using a Wheezy CD in rescue mode. |
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| 20:19.49 | petn-randall | blankfear: Ah, the problem is that you need a live system that is booted in UEFI mode. Make sure that any legacy options like CSR are deactivated. |
| 20:20.00 | petn-randall | blankfear: IIRC you need a jessie live system or newer for that. |
| 20:20.16 | petn-randall | blankfear: grml, kali or a recent Ubuntu also do fine. |
| 20:20.20 | missmbob | jessie live doesn't support uefi |
| 20:21.43 | KomputerKid | speaking of which |
| 20:21.46 | blankfear | petn-randall: booted in UEFI mode and the /sys/firmware/efi is available. |
| 20:21.56 | KomputerKid | I actually have a similar issue on my asus |
| 20:22.00 | KomputerKid | with the netinstallr |
| 20:22.04 | KomputerKid | I got it to work after like |
| 20:22.07 | KomputerKid | installing it 6 times |
| 20:22.13 | KomputerKid | it's only debian that does this |
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| 20:22.31 | pissfrog | i'm having some issues with vsftpd and some suggestions are that selinux is on, but i ran the commands to check but nothing. from what i read, Debian doesn't ship with SELinux by default |
| 20:22.34 | pissfrog | is that true or not? |
| 20:22.49 | KomputerKid | Ubuntu, Suse, Fedora, and Arch work fine for some reason |
| 20:22.58 | KomputerKid | but debian takes 6-7 reinstalls before it works |
| 20:23.17 | missmbob | pissfrog: true that debian doesn't ship with selinux by default |
| 20:23.21 | KomputerKid | I've heard it's an issue with ASUS motherboards, and flashing the firmware fixes the issue but |
| 20:23.29 | KomputerKid | I don't really want to try flashing the firmware |
| 20:23.45 | KomputerKid | I'm afraid I'll brick my system |
| 20:23.56 | pissfrog | KomputerKid, grow a pair |
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| 20:24.05 | blankfear | petn-randall: can i use netinst disk? or only a live jessie? my network is a little slow |
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| 20:24.27 | pissfrog | i've installed debian first try on a pentium dual core anniversary edition with a cheap asus mobo |
| 20:24.40 | Gryllida | hi pissfrog :-) |
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| 20:26.04 | pissfrog | i did not boot in UEFI mode from the USB stick thou. just regular boot |
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| 20:26.24 | akoy | petn-randall: An update on Debina cliient "[ 240.875601] INFO: task kworker/1:2:98 blocked for more than 120 seconds." |
| 20:26.26 | pissfrog | hi Gryllida |
| 20:26.41 | pissfrog | thanks for confirming that missmbob |
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| 20:35.38 | akoy | Someone could help with Debian client stuck on "[ 22.214332] nfs: server 192.168.0.3 not responding, still trying"? |
| 20:35.55 | akoy | diskless machine booting from tftp+root-from-nfs |
| 20:36.52 | x86iac | akoy: you having problems with both suse and debian? ;) |
| 20:37.27 | akoy | x86iac: hi! :) dunno if the server is the problem of if the client |
| 20:37.40 | x86iac | ... always the client |
| 20:38.02 | akoy | server is openSuSe, Debian is the client. But I cannot "debug" the problem... :'( |
| 20:38.02 | greycat | Unless the server actually crashed or something. Which you should certainly check. |
| 20:38.14 | akoy | greycat: I'm using the server |
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| 20:40.39 | akoy | greycat: and Debian can loads its kernel and initramfs. But then it stops. The strange thing is that the client gets an IP from DHCP server and also the kernel+initramfs from TFTP server (same machine). |
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| 20:41.17 | x86iac | akoy: what is the server? (httpd ...?) |
| 20:41.31 | greycat | This is NFS. |
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| 20:42.00 | greycat | Beyond that, I know nothing. If you can't even get a root prompt on the client I have no idea how to debug the problem any further. |
| 20:42.00 | akoy | openSuSe: is the server (DHCP+TFTP+NFS) |
| 20:42.20 | akoy | greycat: me too! :'( |
| 20:42.31 | x86iac | can you pastebin your sanitized /etc/exports |
| 20:43.14 | greycat | If the client is jessie/systemd, you should be able to configure systemd to give you an emergency debug shell on tty9, if you can work out how to do that from the not-on-my-disk image that is being served to it. |
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| 20:43.39 | greycat | I'm not sure if your nfs hangup occurs late enough that you would then have the tty9 shell available. |
| 20:43.47 | x86iac | does ps -efw and netstat -an show all started ? |
| 20:44.00 | akoy | x86iac: /home/akoy/Cubox-I/reverse_ok/rootfs *(fsid=0,insecure,rw,async,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check) |
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| 20:44.50 | petn-randall | blankfear: the netinstaller should also work, as long as you boot in UEFI mode. |
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| 20:46.01 | blankfear | thanks. i decided to try arch anyway. |
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| 20:47.04 | akoy | x86iac: "tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2049 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN" |
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| 20:51.11 | petn-randall | KomputerKid: I've never heard of a bug that needs 6-7 reinstalls to get fixed. |
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| 20:52.53 | `Kevin | petn-randall: sounds like a problem around the keyboard |
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| 21:02.43 | Klaus_D1eter_ | akoy: are you able to use the shell in your initramfs? |
| 21:02.58 | Klaus_D1eter_ | you might have to build a custom initramfs for that and run busybox in there |
| 21:03.24 | Klaus_D1eter_ | also you might have issues with the gid mapping and nfs prohibiting mounting exports as root |
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| 21:03.43 | greycat | I thought he was getting well past the initramfs part. His error is at 22 seconds. |
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| 21:04.53 | greycat | He also showed the server's exports line, which included no_root_squash (but who knows, I've found bugs in jessie in exports parsing) |
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| 21:06.29 | akoy | Klaus_D1eter_: how I set it to use? ---> <Klaus_D1eter_> akoy: are you able to use the shell in your initramfs? |
| 21:07.13 | greycat | akoy: what version of Debian is the diskless client booting into? At what point does it STOP working? |
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| 21:07.42 | greycat | My next guess is that it stops working when the boot procedure does something to the network. But that's just a guess. |
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| 21:08.04 | Klaus_D1eter_ | greycat: yes it seems he is getting further than the initramfs but when runnign a busybox in the initramfs one can try to mount / from the nfs server and boot the system manually that might reveal the error |
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| 21:09.33 | akoy | greycat: this one ---> "https://images.solid-build.xyz/IMX6/Debian/sr-imx6-debian-jessie-mate-20160226.img.xz" |
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| 21:09.50 | Klaus_D1eter_ | ah yes, I've had that happen to me as well, when systemd happily re-configured the ip-address of the nic to something different than it had on startup |
| 21:09.58 | greycat | since it's jessie, you might be able to set up the systemd debug console |
| 21:10.40 | andril | o/ |
| 21:10.42 | greycat | https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging/ => "Early Debug Shell", but I don't know how to do this in your image |
| 21:10.45 | akoy | greycat: how? |
| 21:10.54 | Digit | hi. murdered my devuan. seem unable to get bash back after uninstalling it. i knew it was silly, i did it anyway. fails to come back with attempts to ln some other shell to /bin/bash. time to start again? |
| 21:10.55 | greycat | I've only done it on, y'know, a normal machine with a disk. |
| 21:11.40 | akoy | greycat: could ne good "If you have a hardware serial console available " |
| 21:11.49 | akoy | greycat: I'm on serial console |
| 21:11.52 | akoy | let me read |
| 21:12.00 | missmbob | !devuan |
| 21:12.01 | dpkg | Devuan (https://devuan.org/) is a fork of Debian, meant to avoid dependencies on <systemd>. Not supported in #debian, please see #devuan on chat.freenode.net for support. |
| 21:12.19 | Digit | yep, thought of that the second after i hit enter |
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| 21:17.40 | akoy | is someone wants to see ---> https://dpaste.de/VnuL |
| 21:17.54 | x86iac | can you check the /var/log/messages to see if they startup messages appear |
| 21:18.14 | akoy | "console=ttymxc0,115200 root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp nfsroot=192.168.0.3:/home/akoy/Cubox-I/reverse_ok/rootfs systemd.log_level=debug systemd.log_target=console" |
| 21:18.26 | akoy | x86iac: |
| 21:18.50 | stoned | Why dislike systemd? |
| 21:19.06 | stoned | Seems to be a big thing for people, still. |
| 21:19.19 | stoned | It's been a while, I figured the dust would have settled by now. |
| 21:19.54 | x86iac | stoned: cause like this situation - causes harder to debug problems |
| 21:20.09 | akoy | x86iac: no, messages on the client are from 22 aug. Not more |
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| 21:29.22 | akoy | i connected the board to the HDMI monitor. I can see bootsplash, then the screen goes blank and then it stucks. |
| 21:29.30 | merlin_ | re-appears in a plume of smoke and sparks |
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| 21:32.56 | merlin_ | jelly, i386 |
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| 21:33.33 | merlin_ | I did a diff status status-old but these seem to be identical |
| 21:34.21 | Digit | stoned, if that's not rhetorical, there are reasons, many reasons, more than would be good form to start listing in irc (esp a chan for a systemd-using distro), so if you're genuinely interested: http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd |
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| 21:35.30 | petn-randall | Digit: ECHAN |
| 21:36.51 | Digit | petn-randall: is that spanish? an abreviation? sorry, i dont understand your meaning. |
| 21:37.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | merlin_, there are older backups of that file in /var/backups/dpkg.status.* |
| 21:37.42 | magyar_ | hi, i have a win7 laptop and would like to install debian, is there a way to resize the windows partition during install? |
| 21:37.56 | Digit | petn-randall: that? -> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Echan |
| 21:38.05 | x86iac | magyar_: it should ask you in the install |
| 21:38.29 | x86iac | magyar_: run the disk defragger first |
| 21:38.33 | magyar_ | x86iac: nope, it just tells me there is no large enough partition for install |
| 21:39.02 | merlin_ | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah I was just reading that ... but I just found something else troubling |
| 21:39.39 | merlin_ | this behaviour is not related to libgcrypt, if I run dpkg -c without a package name the same thing is happening |
| 21:39.42 | TomTomTosch | magyar_: windows has a disk management tool which you might want to use for this. |
| 21:39.58 | x86iac | magyar_: if you've already run disk defrag and still get that error i'd believe it .. :) get a usb drive or make room |
| 21:40.41 | x86iac | yea there is a windows took that can clean up the tmp and make room |
| 21:41.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg -c without a package name tells me that -c needs an argument |
| 21:41.15 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 21:41.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, shuddup |
| 21:41.46 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
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| 21:43.57 | merlin_ | CutMeOwnThroat, from the man page -c without arg will check all packages |
| 21:44.38 | TomTomTosch | you mean capital C ? |
| 21:45.00 | magyar_ | x86iac: looks good, I resized it |
| 21:45.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | or maybe dpkg-deb |
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| 21:45.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | or not |
| 21:46.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, -C would check (-c would not) |
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| 21:46.23 | x86iac | magyar_: :) also run the disk tool that TomTomTosch 'brought up' |
| 21:46.36 | magyar_ | k |
| 21:46.39 | magyar_ | thx |
| 21:47.12 | x86iac | magyar_: i was amazed at the space freed up last time i ran it ... on win2k ;) |
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| 21:49.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | merlin_, dpkg might just pick up on an half-configured package first, whatever else you're trying to do |
| 21:49.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | merlin_, you could so something like strace -f -e trace=open,execve dpkg -C |
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| 21:51.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | that will give you lots of output⦠but also, if you can find it, somme hints on where the error happens and what is done at the time |
| 21:51.41 | merlin_ | CutMeOwnThroat, strace not found :( now I'm really helically wound |
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| 21:54.31 | stoned | Digit, it is. |
| 21:55.25 | stoned | Digit, it makes one question the deeper points of the philosophical underpinnings of what it means to be Unix/unix-like. |
| 21:55.37 | stoned | But, neither here, nor there. *shrug* |
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| 21:59.29 | x86iac | stoned: heavy ... ;) |
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| 22:00.52 | merlin_ | Looks like libgcrpyt20 is already installed ... now I'm really confused |
| 22:01.22 | Digit | "it is"? rhetorical? genuine? it=systemd? it=withoutsystemd? i dont really care for an answer. just thought i'd point out how vague n open to interpretation n lacking clear context your reply was. ^_^ |
| 22:01.59 | merlin_ | oh thats deb8u1 not deb8u2 |
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| 22:02.26 | x86iac | merlin_: do you have the dev pkg installed? |
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| 22:03.40 | merlin_ | x86iac, no dev is not installed, think I'm losing it ... this is definitely pointing to a problem with dpkg though |
| 22:04.31 | x86iac | the openssl dev ? |
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| 22:06.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | merlin_, what does dpkg -l libgcrypt20 say? |
| 22:07.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | (should be one line if you skip the header) |
| 22:08.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, dunno. you only have one partition, maybe you should fsck it |
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| 22:10.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | and your dpkg-deb binary checksum didn't match what it should⦠and you haven't told us if//what debsums said --> debsums dpkg |grep -v OK |
| 22:11.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | if dpkg-deb is really corrupt, could be some problem with the disk or something malicious⦠|
| 22:11.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | still, time to check disk then |
| 22:11.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, forcefsck |
| 22:11.53 | dpkg | To instruct your system to execute <fsck> on the next boot: "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh). Alternatively, supply the -F option to shutdown(8) to create the /forcefsck advisory file, or include "forcefsck" at the kernel command line. |
| 22:12.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | so. time to sleep. gn. |
| 22:13.33 | merlin_ | ri libgcrypt20:i386 1.6.3-2+deb8u1 i386 LGPL Crypto library - runtime library |
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| 22:14.46 | merlin_ | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks for your support, I'll try a shutdown -F |
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| 22:18.12 | DeaDSouL | how to know the application version? not the package one? ex: `aptitude show xbmc` shows the version of debian xbmc version... not the xbmc version... |
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| 22:20.24 | TomTomTosch | DeaDSouL: the upstream version comes right after the colon. |
| 22:22.03 | DeaDSouL | TomTomTosch: yes... right... silly me :D |
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| 22:22.30 | anonrate | Openswan isn't available for stretch... Is it? |
| 22:22.43 | DeaDSouL | TomTomTosch: and how can I know the version of xbmc in jessie-backports ? |
| 22:23.05 | TomTomTosch | ,v xbmc |
| 22:23.06 | judd | Package: xbmc on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:11.0~git20120510.82388d5-1; wheezy-backports: 2:13.2+dfsg1-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:13.2+dfsg1-4; sid: 2:13.2+dfsg1-6; stretch: 2:13.2+dfsg1-6; wheezy-multimedia: 4:12.3.1-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 5:14.2; jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2 |
| 22:23.24 | TomTomTosch | DeaDSouL: there is none in backports. |
| 22:23.46 | x86iac | anonrate: use strongswan |
| 22:24.12 | anonrate | What about xlibl2tdp or what ever it's called? |
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| 22:24.19 | TomTomTosch | DeaDSouL: and both sid and stretch use 13.2 too. |
| 22:24.35 | DeaDSouL | TomTomTosch: yeah i noticed that.. do you recommend adding jessie-multimedia repo? |
| 22:24.56 | DeaDSouL | TomTomTosch: i'm only going to need xbmc |
| 22:25.39 | TomTomTosch | DeaDSouL: multimedia often breaks things, it's generally not recommended. |
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| 22:26.30 | TomTomTosch | DeaDSouL: i don't know much, but isn't kodi the continuation of xbmc? |
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| 22:26.42 | DeaDSouL | TomTomTosch: yes it is |
| 22:26.50 | DeaDSouL | ,v kodi |
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| 22:26.51 | judd | Package: kodi on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 16.1+dfsg1-1~bpo8+3; stretch: 16.1+dfsg1-2; sid: 16.1+dfsg1-2; experimental: 17.0~alpha3+dfsg1-1; jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2+repack-dmo1b2; sid-multimedia: 5:16.1-dmo6 |
| 22:27.01 | TomTomTosch | that looks better. |
| 22:27.03 | x86iac | mplayer2 is the only good player |
| 22:27.06 | DeaDSouL | yeah.. it's much better |
| 22:27.25 | x86iac | ^^ high five DeaDSouL |
| 22:27.34 | DeaDSouL | x86iac: hi5 bro :D |
| 22:28.16 | DeaDSouL | TomTomTosch: thanks bro :) |
| 22:28.23 | TomTomTosch | no problemo |
| 22:29.33 | ccrhy | OK, after a lot of tears and wailing and gnashing of teeth, I got grub installed on this server. But now it drops me straight to grub rescue> |
| 22:29.38 | ccrhy | What do I type in there? |
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| 22:32.15 | ccrhy | When I do ls, I only get hd0, msdos1, which is ONLY my grub USB flash drie, not the software RAID where debian is installed. |
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| 22:34.48 | ccrhy | insmod normal says "unknown filesystem" |
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| 22:36.47 | MeepDude | Hi I am attempting to dual boot windows7 and debian jessie and after install I still go straight into windows. No grub menu to speak of. I installed grub to /dev/sda |
| 22:37.29 | x86iac | what does 'to speak of mean' |
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| 22:38.18 | MeepDude | I don't see one when I boot I press f2 to get to it and it only gives me a windows 7 option |
| 22:38.33 | MeepDude | http://pastebin.com/V1sN6v3k |
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| 22:39.18 | MeepDude | That is bootinfoscript output of my installation |
| 22:39.24 | x86iac | any error or problem on the debian install? |
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| 22:40.05 | MeepDude | None whatsoever |
| 22:40.10 | MeepDude | I am on a t560 |
| 22:40.21 | MeepDude | I got lenovo because I wanted to run Linux |
| 22:41.20 | x86iac | can you use the live cd and see if htere is a linux partition? |
| 22:41.45 | MeepDude | oh there is I checked |
| 22:42.23 | mtn | MeepDude: are you doing efi or legacy boot? |
| 22:42.42 | MeepDude | To be honest I am not sure I think uefi |
| 22:42.51 | MeepDude | Any way to check while in windows |
| 22:42.56 | MeepDude | ??? |
| 22:43.03 | mtn | MeepDude: you can use the debian installer, expert mode, to get to a rescue function. reinstall grub |
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| 22:44.08 | MeepDude | does that require me to leave windows? |
| 22:44.16 | mtn | MeepDude: of course it does |
| 22:44.24 | anonrate | Anything marked with "rc" in "dpgk -l" is available for purge, ya? |
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| 22:44.56 | MeepDude | Okay once I am in my live system then what? |
| 22:45.21 | mtn | MeepDude: you can use the debian installer, expert mode, to get to a rescue function. reinstall grub |
| 22:45.38 | mtn | MeepDude: did you install from a live disk? |
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| 22:45.43 | MeepDude | Yes |
| 22:45.53 | MeepDude | I installed from a live disk |
| 22:45.58 | mtn | MeepDude: that is not recommended. best to use the netinstall or a full install disk |
| 22:46.18 | missmbob | probably uefi then |
| 22:46.24 | sypher | MeepDude: Odds are good that your Lenovo is using EFI boot, which the live disk is not compatible with. |
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| 22:46.41 | MeepDude | So then what do I do |
| 22:46.50 | missmbob | use the real installer. not live |
| 22:46.55 | missmbob | reinstall |
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| 22:47.05 | mtn | MeepDude: get a netinstall, go from there |
| 22:47.20 | mtn | MeepDude: start over ;) |
| 22:47.39 | MeepDude | Okay I am going to recreate my key using netbootin |
| 22:48.03 | mtn | MeepDude: no, don't do that, either ;) |
| 22:48.16 | mtn | !unetbootin |
| 22:48.17 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 22:48.21 | x86iac | MeepDude: didn't you leave windows when you installed ? |
| 22:48.37 | MeepDude | Yes I did |
| 22:48.44 | MeepDude | Then continue to use LiLi |
| 22:48.44 | missmbob | !win32diskimager |
| 22:48.45 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 22:48.52 | missmbob | MeepDude: use that ^ *not* unetbootin |
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| 22:51.55 | MeepDude | Any idea what the problem could be overall though? |
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| 22:52.32 | x86iac | you didn't do a good installation ... |
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| 22:52.53 | missmbob | MeepDude: you used two things that were never meant to work |
| 22:52.57 | DeaDSouL | MeepDude: check your bios. does it allow the legacy? uefi only? and the debian ISO is it efi? normal? |
| 22:53.19 | mnuhmnuh | mtn: dont use unetbootin. jigdo! |
| 22:53.20 | missmbob | DeaDSouL: uefi with live. it's been covered |
| 22:53.43 | mtn | mnuhmnuh: I don't use it. keep up! |
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| 22:54.06 | MeepDude | Not sure if it allows legacy or uefi only I need to look it up in the settings |
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| 22:54.24 | mnuhmnuh | mtn: sry, confused. :-P |
| 22:54.27 | MeepDude | I am using the amd64 netinstall to do it not sure if it is efi |
| 22:55.07 | MeepDude | Okay I am going to reinstall now |
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| 22:55.20 | mtn | MeepDude: the netinstall will do both |
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| 22:55.53 | x86iac | MeepDude: next step is you will have to ship the machine to our hospital |
| 22:56.32 | MeepDude | Okay interesting thing I pulled up disk manager and i found a 100mb partition with efi on it |
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| 22:57.11 | DeaDSouL | x86iac: lol :D |
| 22:57.38 | MeepDude | So then I have efi |
| 22:57.52 | sypher | my god... |
| 22:57.52 | MeepDude | Now what does that change in this case if anything |
| 22:58.11 | missmbob | it means nothing since you're using netinst this time and not live |
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| 22:59.44 | MeepDude | It has been 6yrs since I have done this. I have used virtual machines exclusiving sypher |
| 22:59.51 | MeepDude | @sypher |
| 23:00.03 | _unreal_ | how do I setup an ssh server? |
| 23:00.13 | MeepDude | Switching from debian to ubutnu to arch and fedora |
| 23:00.20 | MeepDude | Just forgot the basics I suppose |
| 23:00.26 | _unreal_ | ? |
| 23:00.29 | MeepDude | I will be back after a while |
| 23:01.01 | _unreal_ | can any one give me a hand setting up an SSH server? |
| 23:01.05 | mnuhmnuh | _unreal_: apt-get install ssh, then fix config file. |
| 23:01.27 | mtn | doesn't the debian wiki have a section on ssh? |
| 23:01.36 | missmbob | _unreal_: and don't repeat yourself. wait and be patient |
| 23:02.02 | _unreal_ | arg.... worlds slowest computer |
| 23:02.24 | _unreal_ | 800mhz arm :) |
| 23:02.58 | DeaDSouL | _unreal_: `aptitude install openssh-server` |
| 23:03.20 | _unreal_ | DeaDSouL, I'm waiting on the computer litteraly |
| 23:03.31 | mnuhmnuh | missmbob: give 'em a break. i'm just starting to understand irssi after years of fighting with it trying to understand irc. |
| 23:03.32 | DeaDSouL | _unreal_: then `vim /etc/ssh/ssh_config` as you want |
| 23:03.54 | TomTomTosch | sshd_config is for the server. |
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| 23:05.04 | DeaDSouL | TomTomTosch: right, missed the 'd' :D |
| 23:05.25 | anonrate | How to continue purge even if packages that were specified aren't present? Is there soemthing like continue even if error? |
| 23:05.48 | _unreal_ | installing |
| 23:05.54 | mnuhmnuh | _unreal_: best to disallow root logins, and passwords except initially. ssh-keygen/genkey? key based login much better. |
| 23:06.02 | DeaDSouL | guys, I wrote a small script that checks and alerts about battery's level... how to run it automatically when the system boots? |
| 23:06.20 | anonrate | I'm just doing sudo apt-get purge with a big list of packages and there are about 8 that I spelt wrong and don't want to currently go through finding them. |
| 23:07.09 | _unreal_ | ok finally |
| 23:08.10 | TomTomTosch | anonrate: if you have removed a package apt-get purge should still be able to remove the config files. |
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| 23:09.01 | _unreal_ | looking at ssh_config, I have never played with it before |
| 23:09.15 | anonrate | I know, but I have mis spelt some of the packages. Maybe thrown in an extra letter, left one out, you know, stuff like that. Is there a way to ignore that and just continue with the purge? |
| 23:09.21 | DeaDSouL | _unreal_: *sshd_config* |
| 23:09.30 | _unreal_ | ? |
| 23:09.33 | _unreal_ | I'm not sure what you mean |
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| 23:10.02 | ld | hi guys |
| 23:10.15 | _unreal_ | $%#$% helps to use the correct keyboard when working between two computers with out ssh working |
| 23:10.23 | _unreal_ | hehe |
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| 23:10.27 | mnuhmnuh | _unreal_: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 23:10.38 | _unreal_ | mnuhmnuh, whats what I'm looking at right now |
| 23:10.46 | ld | hi all |
| 23:10.58 | ld | will anything Bad happen if i resize my partitions using gparted on a livecd |
| 23:11.05 | DeaDSouL | _unreal_: check the file located in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ... good idea to check all files in /etc/ssh/ just to get the picture and know how things are |
| 23:11.12 | _unreal_ | ld, depends |
| 23:11.23 | missmbob | _unreal_: earlier you said ssh_config (missing the d. both exist. one client one server) |
| 23:11.24 | _unreal_ | what partition type are you resizing? if its LVM dont do it |
| 23:11.47 | mnuhmnuh | ld: it's worked for me in the past. |
| 23:12.06 | x86iac | ld: copy the files off - then delete partition and remake it to size you want |
| 23:12.09 | ld | looks like its just ext4 |
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| 23:12.19 | x86iac | and then copy files back - using livecd |
| 23:12.22 | _unreal_ | ld if its just ext4 then you should be fine |
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| 23:12.39 | ld | x86iac: wont that mess up the bootloader |
| 23:12.42 | _unreal_ | just use gparted, rezize, drag to new size desired |
| 23:12.57 | _unreal_ | resize |
| 23:13.05 | x86iac | what partition are you using ? you can rerun the grub install if it is a problem |
| 23:13.21 | _unreal_ | and ld yes that will batch the grub |
| 23:13.23 | ld | first partition on the disk /dev/sda1 |
| 23:13.32 | ld | what does the computer run after starting up |
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| 23:13.44 | ld | is it a specific sector on the disk |
| 23:13.50 | mnuhmnuh | ld: _unreal_ "batch"? |
| 23:14.05 | ld | i think he meant 'botch' |
| 23:14.16 | mnuhmnuh | _unreal_: "batch"? |
| 23:14.21 | _unreal_ | I botched botch |
| 23:14.30 | _unreal_ | lol |
| 23:14.31 | mnuhmnuh | :-) |
| 23:14.53 | afernandez_ | wht is http cache cleaner? |
| 23:14.56 | x86iac | i thought he was just cool |
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| 23:14.57 | afernandez_ | what it does? |
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| 23:15.09 | _unreal_ | http cache cleaner? |
| 23:15.24 | _unreal_ | sounds like a web browser cache folder deleter |
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| 23:15.38 | _unreal_ | ok so back to setting up an SSH server |
| 23:15.42 | afernandez_ | never see it now is running |
| 23:16.50 | MeepDude | So far the install is going well |
| 23:17.11 | x86iac | don't batch it up |
| 23:17.18 | MeepDude | Haven't gotten to installing Grub yet |
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| 23:18.18 | MeepDude | OK so this has been bothering me all day I install Grub to the hard drive right but should I choose the actual windows partition |
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| 23:18.28 | x86iac | i have an old copy of lilo on a sd thing just in case of emergencies |
| 23:18.40 | MeepDude | On the internet I have found multiple answers and thank you |
| 23:18.47 | missmbob | MeepDude: don't choose any partition. you want /dev/sda not /sev/sda1 |
| 23:18.47 | MeepDude | I want this bad |
| 23:18.55 | MeepDude | OK |
| 23:19.23 | x86iac | how bad? what will you do for it? |
| 23:19.37 | _unreal_ | x86iac, every man has his price |
| 23:20.14 | _unreal_ | ok sshd says "sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path" |
| 23:20.25 | _unreal_ | not sure what it means |
| 23:20.34 | TomTomTosch | what are you even doing? |
| 23:20.37 | mnuhmnuh | _unreal_: well, some have principles, ethics, morality, and all that junk. we're unpredictable. |
| 23:20.41 | x86iac | _unreal_: are you starting by hand? |
| 23:20.46 | MeepDude | Lol |
| 23:21.09 | _unreal_ | I have never messed with SSHD its always been on by default |
| 23:21.18 | MeepDude | I have been trying to get this working all day and I just want it to be over |
| 23:21.28 | _unreal_ | I installed debian based kali on this cubox ocmputer of mine and I'm tring to SSH into it |
| 23:21.34 | mnuhmnuh | _unreal_: (as root) service ssh restart (maybe sshd?). |
| 23:21.40 | missmbob | !kali |
| 23:21.40 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 23:21.52 | x86iac | _unreal_: do which sshd and check the startup script for that path - something must have done something |
| 23:21.54 | missmbob | _unreal_: you're in the wrong place. we dont support kali. go to #kali |
| 23:22.18 | TomTomTosch | -linux |
| 23:23.30 | mnuhmnuh | _unreal_: that shouldn't clip open connections you have, fwiw. |
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| 23:23.56 | MeepDude | Cookies perhaps |
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| 23:24.28 | _unreal_ | ? |
| 23:24.42 | MeepDude | I could make him cookies |
| 23:26.24 | mnuhmnuh | MeepDude: # brownies? |
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| 23:28.14 | x86iac | a batch of cookies? |
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| 23:28.59 | mnuhmnuh | a botch of cookies? |
| 23:30.09 | pfred1 | cookies! |
| 23:30.31 | pfred1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.53 | _unreal_ | figured it out |
| 23:31.00 | _unreal_ | you guys where not even close |
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| 23:31.25 | pfred1 | _unreal_ close to what? |
| 23:31.34 | TomTomTosch | mostly because you didn't give any info. |
| 23:31.45 | TomTomTosch | but seriously, we don't support kali here. |
| 23:31.46 | pfred1 | yeah this is the first i am hearing about any of thos |
| 23:31.47 | _unreal_ | I needed to "systemctl enable ssh.socket" and then "system ssh restart" |
| 23:31.50 | pfred1 | this even |
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| 23:31.51 | _unreal_ | and ssh server is now up |
| 23:32.07 | pfred1 | ssh works here |
| 23:32.17 | _unreal_ | ssh marko |
| 23:32.22 | pfred1 | polo! |
| 23:32.26 | _unreal_ | sweet |
| 23:32.50 | pfred1 | _unreal_ you do nfs? |
| 23:33.25 | _unreal_ | ahhhh? |
| 23:33.25 | mnuhmnuh | _unreal_: never seen nor heard of "systemctl enable ssh.socket". i did mention the other. |
| 23:33.47 | pfred1 | _unreal_ network file system |
| 23:33.49 | _unreal_ | there where no available sockests |
| 23:33.54 | pfred1 | like your own cloud, dude |
| 23:34.17 | _unreal_ | there for the base of the prople was to figure out why |
| 23:34.29 | _unreal_ | pfred1, what do you need to know about NFS servers? |
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| 23:34.44 | pfred1 | _unreal_ if you use one |
| 23:34.47 | _unreal_ | yes |
| 23:34.49 | _unreal_ | I do |
| 23:35.02 | pfred1 | _unreal_ that's great! I find it much more handy than ssh |
| 23:35.07 | _unreal_ | dlink dsm-g600 with custom rom |
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| 23:35.36 | _unreal_ | ahhh? data sever verse control tunnel? its kind of apples and oranges |
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| 23:35.52 | pfred1 | yeah I don't like apples either |
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| 23:36.22 | MeepDude | Gasp |
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| 23:36.45 | mumixam | if i have 1 ethernet card setup with 2 alias' with wan routeable ip addresses set both in the same subnet, what deterimes which ip is used for outbound traffic? |
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| 23:38.35 | MeepDude | It is nearly done then we troubleshoot |
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| 23:41.10 | MeepDude | Grub is installing now |
| 23:41.36 | MeepDude | I just installed it to dev/sda |
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| 23:42.28 | MeepDude | Done |
| 23:43.09 | MeepDude | Yup still automatically boots into einfoy |
| 23:43.17 | MeepDude | Have no clue what is wrong |
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| 23:43.59 | MeepDude | Any idea? |
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| 23:49.00 | x86iac | is there a bios option that prevents writing mbr? |
| 23:49.13 | MeepDude | Okay so what do I do here? I have tried everything |
| 23:49.19 | x86iac | it acts like there is no grub installed? |
| 23:49.31 | MeepDude | Nope |
| 23:49.37 | MeepDude | Just goes straight into windows |
| 23:49.55 | x86iac | windows has a self preservation mode |
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| 23:51.15 | MeepDude | x86iac: explain |
| 23:51.31 | x86iac | it don't want you installing linux ... ;) |
| 23:51.49 | MeepDude | WHY!!! |
| 23:52.04 | mnuhmnuh | MeepDude: never has. |
| 23:52.15 | MeepDude | HOW DO I GET AROUND IT! |
| 23:52.19 | x86iac | do you notice any communication with skynet? |
| 23:52.28 | MeepDude | Nope |
| 23:52.30 | pissfrog | maybe secureboot is in the way |
| 23:52.34 | pneumatik | i have a server running debian, i set it up as a xen dom0 with libvirt so i can connect to it with virt-manager, whenever i create a VM I get the error "libxenlight failed to create new domain" and here are the xl logs: http://pastebin.com/s05FWhKz |
| 23:52.40 | x86iac | MeepDude: i'd get in there from livecd and try manually |
| 23:52.49 | mnuhmnuh | x86iac: win10 == skynet. |
| 23:52.59 | MeepDude | Try what manually though |
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| 23:53.00 | pneumatik | i've asked this question on like 1 billion different channels now and i haven't been able to find an answer, i've been at this all day. |
| 23:53.17 | x86iac | live cd .. chroot .. grub install |
| 23:53.19 | MeepDude | How do I get windows to recognize grub |
| 23:53.35 | pissfrog | MeepDude, did you check you BIOS to make sure secure boot is not enabled? |
| 23:53.49 | pissfrog | secure boot will prevent linux from booting |
| 23:53.55 | pissfrog | depending on distro |
| 23:54.06 | x86iac | MeepDude: it isn't windows that recognizes it - it is the bios |
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| 23:54.09 | MeepDude | Windows 7 doesn't have it |
| 23:54.34 | MeepDude | Does it? |
| 23:54.45 | x86iac | MeepDude: he and i have said BIOS |
| 23:54.53 | pissfrog | MeepDude, if you've installed linux on the same hdd as windows, on a secondary parition and grub isn't showing up, then it's not Windows at fault |
| 23:55.03 | pissfrog | it's the fucking BIOS |
| 23:55.15 | pissfrog | jesus fucking christ |
| 23:55.18 | MeepDude | Ugh fucking bios okay so I will look into the bios |
| 23:55.30 | pissfrog | look and see if "Secure Boot" is on |
| 23:56.20 | pissfrog | word of advice, do not dual boot off the same hard drive |
| 23:56.23 | pissfrog | it's a terrible idea |
| 23:56.36 | pissfrog | run either one of these OSes at once |
| 23:56.47 | x86iac | why not just do a vm? |
| 23:56.59 | mnuhmnuh | pissfrog: feature. security from win malware. woohoo. |
| 23:57.00 | pissfrog | that's a more sensible idea |
| 23:57.28 | pissfrog | i'm running Debian on hyper-v and it's blazing fast |
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| 23:58.12 | AndroUser | So secure boot is disabled |
| 23:58.20 | pissfrog | ok, that's a good sign |
| 23:58.37 | pissfrog | now we can proceed to the next step |
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| 23:58.48 | x86iac | pneumatik: try http://askubuntu.com/questions/784134/how-to-fix-error-libxenlight-failed-to-create-a-new-domain |
| 23:59.00 | AndroUser | Sweet Jesus I hate this as much as you |
| 23:59.11 | pissfrog | boot from the live CD or USB and at the prompt, boot off internet hard drive |
| 23:59.21 | pissfrog | if it boots, it means the OS has installed properly |
| 23:59.43 | pissfrog | the next step would be for you to reinstall grub like somebody said earlier, using chroot |
