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| 00:12.25 | gwork | (yes, i use debian jessie) hello, there is this folder created by GWorkspace called GNUstep, in my home directory. does the tool inspector check for wrappers within that folder? if so, do i have to create a folder inside GNUstep? |
| 00:12.35 | gwork | I checked both of these links, none of them tells where to place my app wrappers, other than /usr/lib/GNUstep/Applications/ http://gnustep.made-it.com/GWorkspace/GWorkspace.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnustep/2014-03/msg00072.html |
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| 00:29.32 | jmcnaught | gwork: you might try asking in #GNUstep. what is the directory that gworkspace creates? |
| 00:30.48 | jmcnaught | gwork: i don't know if GNUstep uses .desktop files, if it does it is probably looking in /usr/local/share/applications and ~/.local/share/applications but I don't use GNUstep so it might need something different |
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| 00:38.23 | otyugh | mhm, is there something like zenity that can create a icon in the tray ? As some apps can do ; xchat, clementine, claws-mail, networkmanager, orage, liferea... |
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| 00:43.06 | jmcnaught | otyugh: did you try zenity --notification? |
| 00:43.33 | otyugh | this achieve notifications, not icon in tray |
| 00:43.44 | otyugh | right ? |
| 00:45.31 | otyugh | althought I will use at if nothing else comes up, thanks. |
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| 00:46.14 | jmcnaught | correct, however i think that GNOME at least is moving away from have a systray |
| 00:46.25 | jmcnaught | or at least treating it like a legacy feature |
| 00:46.45 | otyugh | good thing I use old stuff then :D |
| 00:46.55 | jmcnaught | otyugh: is this for the package update button that you were talking about earlier? |
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| 00:47.52 | otyugh | yeah, I'm ending up writing my own solution as I tried what was available and wasn't convinced it was user friendly enought, so I'll try to make my own medicine |
| 00:49.36 | otyugh | well, just making a dirty workaround isn't writing a solution, but will do until I get strong enought to write a real program doing that x) |
| 00:50.14 | jmcnaught | otyugh: gnome-packagekit isn't sufficient? are these for desktops at an organization that you are the sysadmin for? |
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| 00:50.35 | pavlz | hi |
| 00:50.56 | afernandez_ | Can anyone tell me please what could this be? |
| 00:50.57 | afernandez_ | http://paste.debian.net/789972/ |
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| 00:51.09 | afernandez_ | I had to put some line breaks |
| 00:51.21 | afernandez_ | other ways the pastebin did not work |
| 00:51.33 | pavlz | i forgot the name of the command that is necessary to see which process are running |
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| 00:51.52 | missmbob | afernandez_: it provides pretty graphs for reports on your server |
| 00:52.05 | otyugh | jmcnaught, it didn't "wow" me alright, lot of unecessary waiting time and confusing loading time :p |
| 00:52.14 | afernandez_ | Yes but why is that command running all the time? |
| 00:52.46 | missmbob | probably your vps provider put it there |
| 00:53.11 | afernandez_ | every 5 mins |
| 00:53.15 | afernandez_ | My what? |
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| 00:53.26 | missmbob | yeah. updated info is the point for updated graphs |
| 00:53.36 | jmcnaught | otyugh: if your script is going to be handling privilege escalation so that users can upgrade the packages, well that could be dangerous |
| 00:53.48 | pavlz | can you tell me which is the command to use? |
| 00:54.11 | katronix | is there any prebuilt scripts that could configure both bind and apache for me? I would think this could be a rather easy shell script (for 'normal' options anyways) |
| 00:54.26 | otyugh | I'll just put some allowed update command in the sudoers |
| 00:54.31 | jmcnaught | pavlz: you're looking for ps, top, or the newer systemd-cgls |
| 00:54.50 | pavlz | ok, It was top |
| 00:55.01 | jmcnaught | otyugh: and use policykit instead of sudo because it's an X11 session? |
| 00:55.03 | otyugh | I don't see how updating the system could be a major security issue, least annoying |
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| 00:55.07 | pavlz | thank you |
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| 00:55.44 | otyugh | jmcnaught, sudoers -> NOPASSWD |
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| 00:56.56 | jmcnaught | otyugh: stuff like gksu and policykit was created because using sudo in an X session can have complications |
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| 00:57.51 | otyugh | jmcnaught, what kind of complication ? |
| 00:57.52 | jmcnaught | katronix: there probably are scripts out there that configure them, but then what happens if it breaks and you don't know how to fix it? Also apache2 works out of the box for hosting static HTML on Debian |
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| 00:58.52 | katronix | jmcnaught: true, but it doesn't know anything about domain names out of the box :) |
| 00:59.04 | jmcnaught | otyugh: changing ownership on .ICEauthority is one problem. gksu will make sure that no environment variables are set that would be problematic so you should use that, or learn how to use policykit |
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| 00:59.43 | jmcnaught | katronix: no, you need to make config files and put them in /etc/apache2/sites-available and use a2ensite to enable them |
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| 01:01.15 | jmcnaught | katronix: i recommend using a config management system like Ansible or Puppet to automate this kind of thing, but it will still require knowing how to configure the applications you want to us |
| 01:01.34 | katronix | jmcnaught: yes I know that is why I was thinking it would be cool if I could just tell a command prompt something like add-site <domain name> <IP> and it would do all of the work for me :) |
| 01:01.34 | kulyzu | $ cat - # what does it mean |
| 01:02.03 | katronix | kulyzu: cat shows you the content of a file |
| 01:02.18 | jmcnaught | kulyzu: it roughly means put what gets typed into stdin onto stdout |
| 01:02.30 | kulyzu | cat followed by - |
| 01:02.52 | kulyzu | something like: $ php -r 'echo str_repeat("A", 52) . "\xbe\xba\xfe\xca";'; cat - |
| 01:03.52 | jmcnaught | otyugh: anyways good luck with the script. if this is for a fleet of desktops that you manage, i would do something different like trigger the upgrades to happen remotely, possibly after testing on a single computer first if you're concerned about downtime |
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| 01:05.56 | jmcnaught | katronix: the reason something like that doesn't exist is because apache can host many different kinds of site, so the command would need to know stuff like does the site use PHP, Python etc? Does it need special rewrite rules? Does it need special permissions on certain directories? Does it need custom logging? |
| 01:06.50 | jmcnaught | there are however lots of cpanel style web admin applications, but those are sketchy to use if you ask me.. too direct a path from the web to running commands as root |
| 01:08.15 | katronix | jmcnaught: yes I know there is no way a script could handle everything, but it could do the basics at least |
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| 01:18.27 | winsen | Hi all |
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| 01:18.58 | winsen | can I resinstall the grub from the terminal without rebooting or using any disk? |
| 01:19.17 | TomTomTo1 | or using any disk? |
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| 01:19.34 | winsen | I disk like debian lice cd, OR... |
| 01:19.37 | winsen | I mean... |
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| 01:20.04 | TomTomTo1 | the command is grub-install. |
| 01:20.30 | winsen | yes, is it enough to restore the grub? |
| 01:21.35 | jmcnaught | if you're still booted into Debian you should be able to do it |
| 01:21.56 | jmcnaught | except if you booted with BIOS and you want to intall grub-efi |
| 01:22.17 | M-alex_mayorga | ¡Hola! So I'm looking at https://wiki.debian.org/FingerForce but I'm still unclear as to whether is it possible to login to GNOMe with my fingerprint. Does anyone know how to make this work in stretch? |
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| 01:24.17 | winsen | jmcnaught: I am using debian night now. and my grub version is: grub-install (GRUB) 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1 |
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| 01:25.53 | winsen | jmcnaught: what is the command line to restore it or reinstall it properly? |
| 01:27.05 | awal1 | winsen, grub-install /dev/sda then update-grub (if any) |
| 01:27.43 | awal1 | change sda by where you want grub to be installed |
| 01:28.29 | awal1 | what happens with your grub? |
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| 01:32.17 | amed | how to put firmware in the usb with debian iso? |
| 01:32.53 | gwork | jmcnaught: tried asking in #GNUstep already, no reply so far (two hours and counting); it creates $HOME/GNUstep. I tried copying the app wrapper to $HOME/GNUstep/applications and $HOME/.local/share/applications/ but the Inspector Tool does not read from there either. I will keep looking, thank you. |
| 01:32.53 | awal1 | winsen, if debian is the only system in your machine, it should be safe to install it in sda |
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| 01:40.56 | winsen | Hi awal1: no my machine is running on multiboot |
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| 01:41.59 | winsen | Hi awal1: do you think it's safe do update the grub though? |
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| 01:43.41 | jmcnaught | gwork: #GNUstep looks like a channel you need to be patient with |
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| 02:22.48 | MaBunny | hello guys |
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| 02:23.07 | MaBunny | im presently talking from my fresh debian install |
| 02:23.18 | MaBunny | so |
| 02:23.43 | MaBunny | i did try the steps told in tht debian manual,but i guess |
| 02:24.01 | MaBunny | i did update-grub for my prev debian,not this one |
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| 02:25.04 | MaBunny | i cannot still load grub when im trying to open debian on this usb stick |
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| 02:26.07 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: start from the beginning |
| 02:26.10 | MaBunny | can anyone tell me tht if i do the following steps: 1)grub-install /dev/sdX 2)update-grub |
| 02:26.25 | MaBunny | will it start working straight? |
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| 02:36.33 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: the story you provided is fairly unclear, previous debians, fresh installs etc. What does "cannot still load grub when im trying to open debian on this usb stick" mean? |
| 02:39.56 | MaBunny | jmcnaught: well,i was having problems loading the grub on my fresh debian install on a usb stick,it was giving like normal.mod not found |
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| 02:40.21 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: you want to install grub onto a USB stick? |
| 02:40.30 | MaBunny | so i tried the command after mounting the "/" directory to /mnt |
| 02:40.39 | MaBunny | this command "chroot /mnt" |
| 02:40.54 | jmcnaught | !tell MaBunny -about reinstall grub |
| 02:40.57 | MaBunny | well jmcnaught,my debian is on a usb stick |
| 02:41.33 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: a different USB stick than the USB stick that you ran the installer from? |
| 02:41.49 | MaBunny | no the same usb stick jmcnaught |
| 02:42.38 | jmcnaught | hmmm... you have the installer image on the same USB stick that you are installing to? that sounds tricky |
| 02:42.58 | MaBunny | and now im on tht same usb stick typing to you but |
| 02:43.15 | MaBunny | i hav used the grub of my prev debian install to load it |
| 02:43.38 | MaBunny | jmcnaught: i hav grub or boot partition on a diff partition |
| 02:44.02 | MaBunny | i mean the boot partition is diff then the / partition |
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| 02:46.18 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: so there are two different Debian installs on this USB stick, and a debian installer image? |
| 02:47.35 | MaBunny | no there are two diff debian install on two usb sticks,one which has grub working normally and the other which doesnt |
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| 02:49.14 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: okay. and you are booting from debian #1 USB stick, mounting the root and /boot from Debian #2 USB stick to do the chroot? |
| 02:50.25 | MaBunny | well,the debian usb with grub working is a gui one,so |
| 02:51.00 | MaBunny | i mount the debian gui usb,get to the booting process and select the debian cli usb to boot,which has grub not working |
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| 02:51.54 | MaBunny | the debian cli usb has a 200mb boot sector where grub is present,so reinstalling grub there wont be a problem,right? |
| 02:52.15 | MaBunny | the prev one has the root sector on a diff partition |
| 02:52.33 | jmcnaught | sounds like you're mixing up terminology here |
| 02:53.01 | jmcnaught | "i mount the debian gui usb" i thought this was the one that already has workng grub, why are you mounting it, and where? |
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| 02:53.19 | jmcnaught | do you mean that you insert it into the computer and boot from it? |
| 02:53.39 | MaBunny | yes tht onbe already has grub working,so i use tht grub to load this present debian to boot up |
| 02:53.44 | MaBunny | yes |
| 02:53.47 | jmcnaught | also what is a 200mb boot sector. is that a partition that you are using for /boot ? |
| 02:54.01 | MaBunny | and load this debian whicxh is terminal based |
| 02:54.24 | jmcnaught | how do you use grub to load the new Debian install? Are you talking about mounting the second USB stick, and using chroot? |
| 02:54.24 | MaBunny | yes thts where the not-working grub is present |
| 02:54.43 | MaBunny | no,just selecting it from the boot screen |
| 02:54.49 | MaBunny | of the debian |
| 02:55.06 | MaBunny | where the advanced options are given |
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| 02:56.06 | jmcnaught | okay is still sounds like a complicated system, but follow the instructions in the factoid that dpkg messaged you |
| 02:56.50 | MaBunny | jmcnaught: can you pls explain to me what steps they are? |
| 02:56.50 | jmcnaught | you need to mount more than just the root filesystem, you also need to mount /boot if it's on a separate partition, and /proc, and /dev |
| 02:57.19 | MaBunny | root filesystem has /proc and /dev |
| 02:58.04 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: those are empty mount points |
| 02:58.23 | MaBunny | well wait |
| 02:59.01 | MaBunny | mount -o bind /dev /your/root/dev |
| 02:59.10 | MaBunny | is there a space after /dev |
| 03:00.13 | jmcnaught | yes there needs to be a space between /dev and the mount point |
| 03:00.38 | MaBunny | ok |
| 03:00.46 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: look for "bind mounts" in the mount man page |
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| 03:01.34 | MaBunny | ok |
| 03:02.19 | jmcnaught | the idea is that inside the chroot (look that up if you don't know what it is) /dev and /proc have to actually be mounted, but because the running kernel already has them mounted you are "binding" the original /dev to be the same as the /dev inside the chroot |
| 03:03.50 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: also another thing you can try is the Debian installer can be booted in a rescue mode that has a menu driven GRUB reinstall feature |
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| 03:04.42 | MaBunny | ok i understand |
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| 03:05.05 | MaBunny | but idk if i want to run the installer again...will try on my computer |
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| 03:12.55 | katronix | Hi all, not sure if this is the proper channel or not, but on a Debian server, is there a special command to execute so apache will allow user directories to process php? |
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| 03:18.25 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: it's a rescue mode that you select at the installer's boot menu. it's not a reinstalling all of Debian |
| 03:18.41 | MaBunny | ok |
| 03:19.39 | jmcnaught | katronix: what are you trying so far? |
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| 03:20.44 | katronix | I've enabled user directory, and installed php. However currently the domain pointed to a user directory shows me code |
| 03:21.13 | jmcnaught | katronix: can you show the config file on https://paste.debian.net/ ? |
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| 03:24.04 | jmcnaught | katronix: "enabled user directory" do you mean you enabled the userdir module with a2enmod? |
| 03:24.18 | katronix | jmcnaught: http://pastebin.com/iE59MMxf and yes |
| 03:24.30 | jmcnaught | katronix: something wrong with paste.debian.net? |
| 03:25.16 | katronix | jmcnaught: sorry just used to using pastebin |
| 03:25.23 | jmcnaught | katronix: userdir module is for when you want "http://example.com/~user/" to work |
| 03:25.30 | MaBunny | jmcnaught: should i do this from my computer or the installer cd? |
| 03:25.49 | MaBunny | bcoz mount -t proc none gives : /proc is in use |
| 03:25.57 | jmcnaught | katronix: pastebin sometimes demands captchas to view the paste, and shows ads, so please use a better one like Debian's |
| 03:26.03 | MaBunny | srry if its a silly questiuon |
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| 03:26.28 | MaBunny | katronix: use paste.debian.net |
| 03:27.02 | jmcnaught | katronix: anyways.. you don't need to use userdir at all it seems, it looks like you want the website to be available from http://www.example.com/ (with no /~user/), am I right? |
| 03:27.24 | katronix | jmcnaught: yes that is correct, but if you visit the site now you see the php code |
| 03:28.14 | jmcnaught | katronix: so disable the userdir module, and put the website/PHP files into a directory under /var/www or make a directory in /srv to host the site |
| 03:28.45 | jmcnaught | katronix: are you using mod_php or php-fpm? |
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| 03:30.53 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: did you run that "mount -t proc none /proc" command before or after running the chroot command? |
| 03:31.03 | katronix | jmcnaught: I'm not sure, I was following instructions on one of the debian pages, but can't find it now :( |
| 03:31.25 | MaBunny | after the chroot command jmcnaught |
| 03:31.30 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: the installer has a menu that lets you reinstall grub on an already installed system if you are finding the commands difficult to use |
| 03:31.53 | MaBunny | ok jmcnaught,i will use tht now |
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| 03:32.07 | jmcnaught | katronix: which package did you install to get PHP? You should take some notes, think of your future self! ;) |
| 03:32.07 | MaBunny | how do i get into tht menu and option |
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| 03:32.22 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: rescue mode is one of the boot options of the installer |
| 03:32.30 | MaBunny | tht one? |
| 03:32.43 | MaBunny | wht do i hav to do there? |
| 03:32.49 | jmcnaught | follow the prompts |
| 03:32.56 | MaBunny | ok |
| 03:33.27 | MaBunny | ok,ill reboot and start the installer |
| 03:33.31 | MaBunny | brb |
| 03:34.12 | MaBunny | quit |
| 03:34.31 | katronix | jmcnaught: php5 is what I installed via apt |
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| 03:36.12 | jmcnaught | katronix: so that would have installed libapache2-mod-php5 unless you told it to install another package like php5-fpm |
| 03:36.37 | katronix | jmcnaught: no I didn't |
| 03:36.41 | jmcnaught | katronix: php5-fpm is what you eventually want to be using for PHP, but using mod_php is okay for getting started |
| 03:39.02 | katronix | okay what is the difference between the two? |
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| 03:40.10 | jmcnaught | one is a module loaded into Apache, and only works with the prefork (non-threaded) MPM. php5-fpm runs PHP in a separate process (optionally as a different user) and apache talks to it over fastcgi |
| 03:40.35 | k_sze[work] | Can somebody suggest a tool take a large file (hundreds of MB), and replace random blocks with null bytes? |
| 03:41.11 | k_sze[work] | I basically need a tool to simulate randomly damaged input files for fuzzing a library. |
| 03:41.12 | jmcnaught | katronix: mod_php is easier to get started with. I suggest you try putting the website in /var/www/foo, and if you really need that user to see it from their home directory then make a symlink |
| 03:41.52 | jmcnaught | k_sze[work]: microsoft word |
| 03:42.05 | k_sze[work] | jmcnaught: lol |
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| 03:43.51 | zinx | k_sze[work]: have you heard of afl? |
| 03:44.10 | k_sze[work] | american fuzzy lop? |
| 03:44.16 | zinx | k_sze[work]: yes |
| 03:45.35 | katronix | jmcnaught: that would also mean only root could make changes to the site right? |
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| 03:46.13 | jmcnaught | katronix: you can use chown to change the owner of the directory/files of the website |
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| 03:46.28 | katronix | k |
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| 03:47.26 | jmcnaught | katronix: you'll want to make sure that the www-data user can read the files, and write to any directories that your code needs to |
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| 03:52.22 | katronix | jmcnaught: I suppose I would need to get rid of the mysql library also and then re-install it with the other php? |
| 03:52.54 | jmcnaught | katronix: which mysql library? how was it installed? |
| 03:53.49 | katronix | jmcnaught: aptitude install php5 php5-mysql libapache2-mod-php5 was one command line, I assume if I uninstall php5, everything else would go with it? |
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| 03:54.53 | jmcnaught | katronix: get it working first with libapache2-mod-php5, then read up on using php5-fpm. On Debian you can have php5-fpm and libapache2-mod-php5 installed at the same time, and they share the various php5-foo packages |
| 03:55.17 | katronix | ok |
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| 03:58.19 | jmcnaught | katronix: for what it's worth, there are several packages for web applications in Debian that will use libapache2-mod-php5 by default, so it's not that bad to use especially if you don't have a lot of sites or traffic |
| 03:59.10 | rommel092079 | good day. May I ask if someone could provide me some working link for step by step tutorial to install postfix, dovecot and roundcube on debian OS. yes I have already tried most of the results in google but does not work at the end. Pls. |
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| 05:24.34 | Mava | any tips, just got i7 installed and man this runs hot! seems the cpu freq is somewhere round 3ghz even when i'm doing practicaly nothing. |
| 05:25.21 | Mava | been trying to set the freq to 800MHz, but no luck. it just does not want to obey |
| 05:25.32 | aaro | Mava: did you install cpufreq-utils? |
| 05:25.49 | Mava | up |
| 05:25.53 | Mava | *yup |
| 05:26.33 | aaro | cpufreq-info will give the governor in use, check out is "ondemand" |
| 05:28.17 | Mava | aaro: now this just got interesting |
| 05:29.09 | Mava | seems that i've done something right, the governor is indeed ondemand and the cpufreq-info says current CPU frequency is 800 MHz. However, the i7z shows the actual freq to be approx 2.8 |
| 05:29.50 | aaro | what's i7z? |
| 05:30.05 | Mava | i7 cpu statistics tool |
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| 05:31.06 | aaro | i wouldn't trust that, trust cpufreq-info better :) |
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| 05:31.43 | aaro | also check your cpu temp, if it's not too high then it's ok |
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| 05:31.55 | Mava | aaro: and i will do as you suggest, just checked that also /proc/cpuinfo says 800Mhz |
| 05:32.08 | Mava | well the problem here is the laptop, and this burns under my hand. |
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| 05:32.53 | Mava | Though also faced the good old optimus problem in addition but it should be solved since after getting bumblebee and nvidia drivers here this cooled down a little bit |
| 05:33.35 | aaro | install the package lmsensors and do sensors | grep temp |
| 05:33.49 | Mava | 48-51 in degrees |
| 05:34.00 | Mava | aaro: got a conky running already ^^ |
| 05:34.19 | aaro | it's ok |
| 05:34.32 | aaro | usually critical temp is around 100 |
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| 05:36.09 | aaro | you could change the governor to conservative so it stays at minimum freq if you want lower temo |
| 05:36.23 | Mava | nice |
| 05:36.26 | Mava | got to do that |
| 05:36.49 | Mava | though i was just starting to wonder whether i have been able to really reduce the usage of nvidia's graphics here |
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| 05:48.28 | nutron | I'd like to ask a few questions about my screen issues but am running stretch, is there a channel here for stretch? |
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| 05:49.00 | babilen | #debian-next |
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| 05:52.30 | abrotman | nutron: irc.oftc.net |
| 05:52.40 | tacocat | beat me to it |
| 05:53.41 | Mava | aaro: but anycase, this seems to be quite nice. thanks =) |
| 05:54.14 | aaro | Mava: no problem :) |
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| 06:05.00 | v3gard | how does the python3-virtualenv package work? |
| 06:05.14 | v3gard | I installed it, but I didn't get a virtualenv executable |
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| 06:07.28 | v3gard | aha, if I installed python-virtualenv as well (python2), it did work |
| 06:08.04 | v3gard | so the idea is just to use "virtualenv --python=python3.4" if I want to stick with Python 3? |
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| 06:09.45 | v3gard | looks like it. got my virtual environment up and running here now with python3 |
| 06:09.53 | v3gard | thanks for listening :-) |
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| 06:22.05 | Xin | hi |
| 06:22.18 | Xin | easiest way to set up a memory filesystem of a predefined size or a max size? |
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| 06:23.50 | yanku | In jessie,docker can start |
| 06:23.55 | yanku | In jessie,docker can not start |
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| 06:24.12 | nutron | why doesn't the halt command work as it used to anymore? It used to actually shut the computer off, now every machine I use simply hangs on the command. |
| 06:24.41 | net0bsd_ | hoal hola |
| 06:25.08 | yanku | and "docker search debian", it says " Are you trying to connect to a TLS-enabled daemon without TLS?" |
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| 06:31.30 | Xin | hey is there a logon script that runs somewhere for every shell - whether its ssh or logon/local shell? |
| 06:31.40 | Xin | and for every user |
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| 06:32.48 | Xin | or can I set globally the initial logon dir |
| 06:32.58 | Xin | for everyone, once again in ssh and local |
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| 06:50.46 | jim | "<jelly> jim: that's weird. Is it during the build process? Did you build inside fakeroot (you don't have to)?" <-- I think so |
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| 06:54.28 | OneSploit | Hi |
| 06:54.39 | OneSploit | I am having problem with logging in after upgrading sid on two computers |
| 06:54.42 | OneSploit | is this known issue? |
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| 07:05.26 | otyugh | OneSploit, did you try to log from tty ? |
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| 07:08.14 | otyugh | (something like a change of keyboard layout could have happened without you knowing it ?) |
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| 07:20.24 | Strykar | judd: checkbackport openssh |
| 07:20.25 | judd | Backporting package openssh in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
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| 08:00.08 | OneSploit | otyugh, yes logging from tty works with some delay |
| 08:00.47 | OneSploit | otyugh, I dont know what unlocks gdm, after multiple attempts and restarts of gdm I finally get in, but it's something that causes regression with recent update as it happens on two computers |
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| 08:06.06 | cq11 | I accidentally messed up my graphics drivers, and I want OpenGL to work again. I installed nvidia cuda drivers, and I want to switch back to any AMD driver (proprietary or not). I tried all the usual stuff, but OpenGL still isn't working. Does anyone have any advice on any extreme things I could do to nuke it and return it to the default drivers I get from a clean installation? |
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| 08:06.40 | cq11 | (All the usual stuff like purging nvidia*, --reinstalling all the -ati packages, clearing the xorg.conf, etc.) |
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| 08:10.09 | neglesaks | Any opinions on what is the lowest-resource-weight Debian with a GUI? |
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| 08:10.48 | aaaaa | Does the AMD open souce driver only support one display at a time? |
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| 08:11.54 | towo^work | aaaaa, no |
| 08:12.21 | aaaaa | I have 3 4k monitors I am trying to set up on debian |
| 08:12.50 | aaaaa | But can only get a of the monitors to display any video |
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| 08:19.02 | cq11 | ... and unfortunately, like all driver issues where I have one computer, I'm going to be in and out of IRC as I try things. :( |
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| 08:20.23 | funkadelic | whats the package for unecm? |
| 08:20.50 | funkadelic | i installed ecm but when i try to run unecm or ecm it says command not found |
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| 08:21.04 | Kralimah | Hey there, I am working with a single board computer APU2 by PC Engines and am playing with custom kernel. From the stock kernel (3.16) of Debian Jessie I switched to a custom 4.7 kernel and stripped it down to the minimu,m and skipped the initramfs. Now I can't connect to my local wifi. My config works perfectly on 3.16 but when on 4.7, it contacts the DHCP without ever getting a DHCPOFFER. ethernet works well, so it makes me wonder |
| 08:21.16 | funkadelic | i need to convert some ecm files to iso images |
| 08:21.58 | cq11 | funkadelic: Possibly gmp-ecm? I have the not-found crap installed and that's what it suggested when I typed "ecm". |
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| 08:23.29 | funkadelic | cq11, i dont think thats the right one .. i mean it doesn't have to be ecm if you can think of another way to convert ecm files to iso images |
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| 08:24.17 | MaBunny | does debian hav a package named ar? |
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| 08:27.57 | cq11 | funkadelic: Yeah, you're right, you don't want that kind of ECM -- I didn't bother to google what it was. |
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| 08:28.46 | damo22 | why is it so difficult to compile a kernel module out of tree on debian now? |
| 08:29.22 | funkadelic | cq11, there is a package called ecm - prepares CD image files so they compress better - which i did install but when i try man ecm it says command not found |
| 08:29.44 | cq11 | funkadelic: what about ecm-compress? |
| 08:29.48 | cq11 | or ecm-decompress? |
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| 08:30.24 | cq11 | (Disclaimer: I literally just googled "ecm to iso", I have no idea what an "ecm" even is.) |
| 08:30.53 | funkadelic | those actually pulled a manual entry |
| 08:30.58 | funkadelic | im reading them now |
| 08:32.13 | MaBunny | typing "/usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch i386 jessie \ /mnt/debinst http://httpredir.debian.org/debian" at command line gives: cant cd to /mnt |
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| 08:32.23 | MaBunny | any help? |
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| 08:32.52 | jelly | MaBunny: well... does /mnt exist? |
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| 08:32.57 | funkadelic | MaBunny, what are you trying to do |
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| 08:33.06 | MaBunny | yes jelly it exist |
| 08:33.09 | MaBunny | *s |
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| 08:33.14 | jelly | MaBunny: are you root? |
| 08:33.33 | MaBunny | yup |
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| 08:33.48 | MaBunny | http://paste.debian.net/790000/ |
| 08:34.14 | babilen | MaBunny: Could you show your command and its entire output? |
| 08:34.14 | MaBunny | http://paste.debian.net/790001/ |
| 08:34.45 | jelly | MaBunny: are you literally typing \ and a space before /mnt/debinst ? |
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| 08:34.56 | MaBunny | i also asked a prev question, does package "ar" exists? |
| 08:35.02 | MaBunny | http://paste.debian.net/790002/ |
| 08:35.09 | jelly | get rid of that \ |
| 08:35.12 | MaBunny | yup jelly |
| 08:35.18 | MaBunny | ok |
| 08:35.26 | babilen | It tries to cd to " /mnt" (with the space) |
| 08:35.48 | MaBunny | wht do i type?i thought tht it kinda points to tht directory |
| 08:35.58 | jelly | the same command without \ |
| 08:35.59 | cq11 | Holy crap, debootstrap is so cool. This is the first I've heard of it. |
| 08:36.16 | MaBunny | cq11: welcome to the pro league |
| 08:36.23 | cq11 | Is it easy to boot into the debootstrapped chroot jail? Like, load the kernel from it, and everything? Because this might solve my driver issue I asked about above. |
| 08:36.39 | MaBunny | idk... |
| 08:36.41 | cq11 | I literally just wanted a fresh install of the ATI drivers -- I know the defaults the Debian installer gives work. |
| 08:37.11 | MaBunny | you can reinstall them with the rescue shell the debian installer gives maybe |
| 08:37.31 | MaBunny | i couldnt load the rescue disk of the debian installer :C |
| 08:37.32 | jelly | cq11: nope |
| 08:38.04 | jelly | you can easily use that userspace with the chroot command, but not the kernel |
| 08:38.15 | MaBunny | jelly: i had troubles installing the package "ar"....what do you think? |
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| 08:38.28 | jelly | MaBunny: ar command is in binutils package I think |
| 08:38.37 | cq11 | The issue isn't getting into a graphical system -- the issue is that I either get "X Error of failed request: BadRequest" with one configuration or 'Xlib: extension "GLX" missing' with another configuration. |
| 08:38.37 | jelly | MaBunny: /msg judd file bin/ar |
| 08:38.43 | cq11 | But in no case can I get OpenGL working. |
| 08:38.52 | MaBunny | ok |
| 08:38.58 | jelly | MaBunny: or use packages.debian.org to hunt for package contents |
| 08:39.23 | MaBunny | i cant do tht pal...been trying this for 4 days now |
| 08:39.40 | jelly | you don't have a browser? |
| 08:39.48 | MaBunny | yup i hav... |
| 08:39.59 | MaBunny | debootstrap is working now |
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| 08:40.12 | cq11 | jelly: Okay, that's too bad. Thanks for the info. |
| 08:40.13 | jelly | what makes you not be able to browse packages.debian.org then |
| 08:40.20 | MaBunny | jelly: dont worry i wont waste your time |
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| 08:40.52 | MaBunny | srry for my .... |
| 08:41.00 | MaBunny | i forgot tht english word |
| 08:41.12 | Kralimah | writing ? |
| 08:41.37 | MaBunny | cq11: is it a driver problem? |
| 08:42.00 | MaBunny | GLX means you dont hav the required mesa packages maybe |
| 08:42.12 | MaBunny | idk |
| 08:42.18 | cq11 | MaBunny: I'm pretty darn sure. It arose when I put in a GTX 970 and installed CUDA drivers. I then purged the crap out of those, popped in an AMD card, and am trying to get it working again. |
| 08:42.26 | cq11 | What mesa packages might I be missing? |
| 08:42.39 | cq11 | Note that it was previously working with this AMD card fine. |
| 08:42.40 | MaBunny | type apt-cache search mesa |
| 08:43.07 | MaBunny | yes,your kernel updated what drivers it needed when you installed those GTX |
| 08:43.36 | MaBunny | then when you went back to the AMD,it didnt hav the prev configs so it crapped out maybe |
| 08:43.44 | MaBunny | idk im not exp enough in this |
| 08:44.28 | MaBunny | but i guess it rings with the version of Opengl the AMD/GTX cards supports |
| 08:44.42 | cq11 | I have all the important looking mesa stuff from apt-cache search mesa. |
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| 08:44.56 | cq11 | Yeah, I think what you're saying about not having the previous config is exactly right. |
| 08:45.03 | tld | Will there ever be a ext5? |
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| 08:45.15 | cq11 | Like, ldd $(which glxgears) STILL gives nvidia crap. |
| 08:45.26 | cq11 | I don't know how to force it to blow it all away with the AMD stuff. |
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| 08:46.38 | MaBunny | idk,do you hav the packages installed first....and ask exp ppl here which commands config-up the drivers when it comes to graphics cards |
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| 08:46.46 | CQ | hello, when I run acpitool -w it lists 9 lines and then hangs (ctrl-c can kill it) ... any suggestions? I'm trying to get WOL to work |
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| 08:48.22 | jelly | cq11: can you pastebin the output of that ldd |
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| 08:49.24 | MaBunny | hello hiya |
| 08:49.45 | cq11 | jelly: http://pastebin.com/raw/h0iQii2m |
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| 08:54.36 | cq11 | jelly: Here's the same output from ldd $(which glxgears) in a chrooted enviroment that I just freshly made with debootstrap: http://pastebin.com/raw/XZKtmmBW |
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| 08:55.06 | cq11 | Note the complete lack of nvidia references (of course). |
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| 08:57.20 | jelly | cq11: okay, and are those nvidia libs part of a package? dpkg -S $(readlink -f /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.352.39) |
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| 08:58.57 | cq11 | jelly: No, here's the worst part. For a variety of reasons I installed using the nvidia CUDA script from nvidia (which I regret), not a package. It left behind some nvidia-installer command. |
| 08:59.08 | tld | Do you need a fast computer to use debian? |
| 08:59.08 | cq11 | Now, this command has a --uninstall option that the nvidia-installer-cleanup package automatically invokes. |
| 08:59.31 | jelly | cq11: and you've already done that? |
| 08:59.41 | CQ | tld: no. A lot depends onteh windowing environment though... use something like the xfce desktop on a slower computer |
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| 09:00.15 | tld | What if you only have 16gb of ram |
| 09:00.30 | cq11 | But it has a known bug where nvidia-installer --uninstall hangs before finishing its duties if you have an X server running. I killed it, stopped X, and tried again without graphics, but it was too late. The rest of nvidia-installer-cleanup had actually completed, and removed nvidia-installer completely. |
| 09:00.36 | cq11 | So... I'm sort of just screwed. |
| 09:00.44 | jelly | cq11: I'd run the nvidia installer that was used for cuda directly, manually (with --uninstall), again |
| 09:00.49 | MaBunny | tld: if you want to run debian with a slow computer,try using the terminal version of it |
| 09:01.13 | cq11 | jelly: I'll try. I think it might be the case that the nvidia installer script wants to fully install before it installs nvidia-installer again. :( |
| 09:01.25 | cq11 | That would be ridiculous. Installing the CUDA driver just so I can uninstall it properly? |
| 09:01.32 | jelly | sure why not |
| 09:01.46 | cq11 | That's so obscene. |
| 09:02.10 | geeg | hi, how is /dev/zero used? |
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| 09:03.20 | cq11 | jelly: Okay, I need to stop X to do this. I'll report back later, probably... |
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| 09:05.39 | cq11 | jelly: Okay, it's about as bad as you could possibly imagine. |
| 09:06.01 | cq11 | Now the nvidia installer script (.run file) refuses to do anything because it thinks I already have an installation of the CUDA drivers. |
| 09:06.20 | cq11 | So I can't get it to populate /usr/bin with the nvidia-installer thingum thats bundled inside it. |
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| 09:06.26 | jelly | cq11: is the same installer used for just cuda as for the rest of the nvidia stuff? |
| 09:06.50 | jelly | or does cuda have its own installer |
| 09:06.54 | cq11 | jelly: Yes. The CUDA thing is mostly a distraction. It's just a driver installer script that asks if you want CUDA as well. |
| 09:06.59 | MaBunny | or is this something else |
| 09:07.03 | cq11 | I've been saying "no" to CUDA. |
| 09:07.14 | cq11 | It won't even install just the non-CUDA components. |
| 09:07.38 | jelly | cq11: I guess you can fix the libGL symlinks manually to make mesa work, and worry about leftover cruft later |
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| 09:08.37 | cq11 | jelly: ... I hope so. :( I think it might be worse than that, though. I think some of these opengl SOs get blown away, and don't use alternatives, and stuff. |
| 09:08.48 | cq11 | I'm really praying I can just fix up a few paths and things will work again. |
| 09:09.09 | cq11 | I have my system in a really really messed up state. Honestly, if I had a separate home partition I would just reinstall. |
| 09:09.43 | CQ | cq11: so create a new home partition (shrink the root via gparted if needed) and move the stuff over... |
| 09:09.53 | MaBunny | cq11: take a backup and reinstall |
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| 09:10.31 | cq11 | CQ: MaBunny: Yeah... I know you're both just right... |
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| 09:10.53 | cq11 | It's not like I don't even have other drives already plugged into this machine that I could stage crap on... |
| 09:11.03 | cq11 | Maybe I'll just do that. I've spent enough time fighting this. |
| 09:11.04 | MaBunny | or |
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| 09:11.37 | MaBunny | cq11: start learning the terminal and uninstall the GUI part of your current debianb |
| 09:11.54 | MaBunny | this one^^ is more fun |
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| 09:14.12 | MaBunny | cq11: is it on a usb stick or hard disk? |
| 09:14.22 | cq11 | MaBunny: Is what? |
| 09:14.27 | MaBunny | the os |
| 09:14.37 | cq11 | Everything is on a hard drive. |
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| 09:15.18 | MaBunny | then use the terminal....partitioning a harddrive again and again creates bad sectors in it |
| 09:15.30 | jelly | MaBunny: wtf |
| 09:15.40 | jelly | that's not how HDDs work! |
| 09:15.51 | MaBunny | then? |
| 09:16.23 | stoned | Uh. |
| 09:16.29 | stoned | What dude? |
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| 09:21.04 | funkadelic | cq11, ecm-decompress is exactly what i needed, thanks. :) |
| 09:21.41 | cq11 | funkadelic: Great. |
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| 09:23.40 | jelly | MaBunny: then: you can write a single sector on a typical hdd hundreds of thousands of times. |
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| 09:24.53 | MaBunny | idk,once got my hard drive corrupted over multiple installs of an os |
| 09:25.29 | jelly | cq11: you can dpkg -S /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL*, rm any symlinks, and reinstall the packages that are _supposed_ to provide those files |
| 09:25.51 | eSa| | My radeon driver doesn't work anymore, what should I do? It worked fine for some days |
| 09:25.54 | jelly | judd: file usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL* |
| 09:25.57 | judd | Search for usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL* in jessie/amd64: [truncated] libglobus-common-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglobus_common.so.0.15.26; libglobus-gridmap-verify-myproxy-callout-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglobus_gridmap_verify_myproxy_callout.so; libglobus-gridmap-eppn-callout-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/x86_64-linux- |
| 09:25.58 | judd | gnu/libglobus_gridmap_eppn_callout.so; libglobus-gram-protocol-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglobus_gram_protocol.so.3.9.12; libglobus-ftp-control-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglobus_ftp_control.so.1.4.12; libglobus-gass-transfer-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglobus_gass_transfer.so.2.6.8; libglobus-gass-copy-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/x86_64 (3 more messages) |
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| 09:26.24 | jelly | judd, you so insensitive |
| 09:26.33 | cq11 | jelly: That's very useful. I didn't know about dpkg -S. Thanks. |
| 09:26.39 | cq11 | Let me try moving crap around. |
| 09:26.49 | cq11 | eSa|: Join the club. ;) |
| 09:27.39 | jelly | cq11: that'd be libgl1-mesa-glx for a start |
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| 09:29.00 | cq11 | jelly: Okay, this seems relevant: http://pastebin.com/raw/4dJfrv4c |
| 09:29.15 | cq11 | Ignore all the dumb errors and warnings, except that longest line. |
| 09:29.21 | cq11 | that ends in "glx is broken". |
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| 09:29.53 | eSa| | cq11, fbdev? text-mode-only? |
| 09:30.43 | cq11 | eSa|: No, my driver is working fine except for OpenGL. It's almost certainly unrelated to what you're experiencing. I didn't get a regression recently. |
| 09:30.52 | jelly | cq11: that's just fine |
| 09:31.10 | eSa| | Honestly I was surprised having gl working again, but now I've discovered I where with wayland |
| 09:31.27 | jelly | cq11: "I, dpkg, have noticed this alternative set is messed up so I'm going to fix it" |
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| 09:32.08 | eSa| | :-| |
| 09:32.13 | cq11 | In theory --reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx should be relatively idempotent, no? |
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| 09:32.55 | eSa| | may I paste here Xorg.0.log? |
| 09:32.57 | jelly | cq11: now try ldd again. |
| 09:33.11 | eSa| | cq11, I'll Try it |
| 09:33.30 | jelly | cq11: or just ls -la /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.* |
| 09:33.33 | cq11 | jelly: Nope, same nvidia stuff. |
| 09:34.10 | cq11 | jelly: Bad: http://pastebin.com/raw/7EXieDQ9 |
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| 09:34.19 | cq11 | August 3rd is when I installed the bunk Nvidia crap. |
| 09:34.37 | jelly | cq11: ls -ld /etc/alternatives/glx--libGL.so-x86_64-linux-gnu |
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| 09:35.03 | jelly | cq11: there's nothing bad there, badness is elsewhere |
| 09:35.30 | cq11 | jelly: I followed the whole chain: http://pastebin.com/raw/J91hSByV |
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| 09:35.43 | jelly | well, there's /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.352.39 I gues |
| 09:35.51 | jelly | missed that |
| 09:36.12 | cq11 | Exactly. |
| 09:36.19 | cq11 | I'm pretty sure /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.352.39 is from the nvidia junk. |
| 09:36.35 | cq11 | Oh! |
| 09:36.40 | jelly | cq11: dpkg -S /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.352.39 say what? |
| 09:36.43 | GitGud | hey. i have have compiled my own grsec kernel using make-kpkg and i installed the deb files in the debian system. Debian jessie 8.5. however i havent been getting apt-get upgrades in the past week. im not sure if this is normal? |
| 09:36.50 | cq11 | And that's the one that is getting linked in for libGL.so.1. |
| 09:36.52 | jelly | says* |
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| 09:37.12 | cq11 | Remember that previous ldd? I checked, /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 is a symlink to that /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.352.39 from August 3rd -- the nvidia one. |
| 09:37.15 | stoned | MaBunny: the disk was already about to die, you just happened to have caught the bad sectors during the reinstalls. |
| 09:37.24 | GitGud | so my question is do apt-get updates still affect custom compiled kernels? or is that for the out of the box kernels only? |
| 09:37.43 | cq11 | jelly: dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.352.39 |
| 09:37.50 | cq11 | Which makes sense -- it didn't arise via any package. |
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| 09:38.05 | cq11 | I just don't know how to convince another package to blow it away. Or alternatives, or whatever. |
| 09:38.14 | stoned | MaBunny: bad sectors are caused by damage to they surface of the platters (many diff reasons) |
| 09:38.15 | cq11 | I honestly don't know how to work alternatives beyond the very basics. |
| 09:38.23 | cq11 | But thanks so much for this help, I think this is very close. |
| 09:38.32 | jelly | cq11: which debian release is this supposed to be? |
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| 09:39.46 | jelly | cq11: also, dpkg -S /usr/lib/mesa-diverted/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1.2.0 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1.2.0 |
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| 09:40.30 | cq11 | I'm on Jessie. |
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| 09:41.23 | cq11 | jelly: http://pastebin.com/raw/LY9NRvL9 |
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| 09:43.17 | eSa| | http://paste.debian.net/790032/ |
| 09:43.47 | jelly | cq11: okay, now run "update-alternatives --config glx" |
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| 09:44.04 | jelly | cq11: pick fglrx, then run again and go back to mesa |
| 09:44.45 | jelly | cq11: if errors happen, don't proceed further; pastebin the command(s) and the whole output |
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| 09:50.34 | jelly | cq11: alternatives may error out of there are other nvidia files in place; if so, try to remove/move away each and try again |
| 09:50.45 | jelly | until update-alternatives succeeds |
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| 09:53.24 | cq11 | jelly: http://pastebin.com/raw/JxHLNtyE <-- Hmm... |
| 09:53.44 | cq11 | This was my first invocation of update-alternatives. |
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| 10:00.58 | cq11 | Okay. I should have some fglrx module, but I see nothing of the sort from lsmod. |
| 10:01.02 | cq11 | I think that may also be an issue. |
| 10:01.10 | cq11 | Or, perhaps even the main issue at this point. |
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| 10:04.14 | cq11 | jelly: http://pastebin.com/raw/WBq9NHRc |
| 10:04.24 | cq11 | I think this is important. Now I can actually modprobe in fglrx. |
| 10:04.29 | cq11 | But it's still not quite there. |
| 10:04.48 | cq11 | but the output of glxinfo is now slightly different! |
| 10:05.00 | cq11 | I get the same error, but "name of display: :0.0" first. |
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| 10:06.27 | cq11 | Okay, it's giving a new different output now. |
| 10:06.32 | cq11 | I'm going to reboot. brb |
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| 10:08.18 | cq11 | Holy crap, it's working. :) :) :) |
| 10:09.05 | cq11 | jelly: Thanks for all the help. I did a little more futzing around and I did the above mentioned dkms crap so I could finally modprobe fglrx, and then I was getting weird different errors, so I just rebooted, and now it's working! |
| 10:09.52 | cq11 | Wait... |
| 10:10.05 | cq11 | Almost... glxgears is working, but my actual 3D application is giving "X Error of failed request: GLXUnsupportedPrivateRequest". |
| 10:10.07 | cq11 | :'( |
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| 10:12.05 | MaBunny | jelly i hav a question |
| 10:12.18 | MaBunny | what are static device files? |
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| 10:15.02 | MaBunny | install the makedev package, and create a default set of static device files using (after chrooting) |
| 10:15.10 | MaBunny | in sec 3.4.1 |
| 10:15.18 | MaBunny | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en |
| 10:15.22 | rdz | how can i verify that a certain binary file (or any file, actually) coming from a package from an official repository is genuine? do deb packages keep a list of file hashes? and am I correct in believing that deb packages are signed? |
| 10:15.24 | MaBunny | of this^^ weblink |
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| 10:36.29 | eSa| | problem solved, I had wrong addresses in Xorg.conf |
| 10:36.46 | eSa| | s/X/x/ |
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| 10:54.33 | funkadelic | how come pcsx2 isn't in the repositories? |
| 10:56.07 | Zharf | either no one's been interested in maintaining it or there's been some issues with it that someone didn't like |
| 10:56.09 | themill | It's in sid and it's i386 only |
| 10:56.20 | Zharf | ah |
| 10:56.34 | Zharf | so it is |
| 10:57.36 | funkadelic | Zharf, well im on 8.5 jessie, is there anyway to get it in the repos? |
| 10:58.20 | TomTomTosch | , checkbackport pcsx2 |
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| 10:58.29 | judd | Backporting package pcsx2 in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual. |
| 10:58.38 | TomTomTosch | !tell funkadelic about ssb |
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| 11:04.22 | jelly | MaBunny: /dev contains entries that allow user space programs to interact with kernel space drivers for various devices. Normal user space apps need at least some "static /dev" was an outdated way to create all the entries in /dev in advance (a script called MAKEDEV was used for that). All of that is old and superseded by "udev". With udev the simplest thing to do when doing debootstrap-based install, is to do the "bind mount" mentioned a c |
| 11:04.22 | jelly | ouple sentences later. |
| 11:04.22 | MaBunny | could you guys look at my fstab? |
| 11:04.35 | jelly | oops. |
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| 11:04.39 | MaBunny | http://paste.debian.net/790044/ |
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| 11:05.02 | MaBunny | output: http://paste.debian.net/790046/ |
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| 11:05.09 | jelly | needs a better line editor in the irc client |
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| 11:06.00 | funkadelic | TomTomTosch, i added deb-src http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free to sources.list but pcsx2 still isn't showing in the repos |
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| 11:07.23 | themill | it's still i386 only |
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| 11:15.23 | funkadelic | themill, so should i just compile it from source or something? there are precompiled binaries i can download from third parties but there aren't any signatures or hashes to verify, i was kind of hoping to get it from the repos so that if there are any dependencies they will be easily satisfied. |
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| 11:17.59 | themill | you might be able to run it on amd64 using multiarch. It might not compile on amd64 |
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| 11:19.04 | funkadelic | themill, not even the 32 bit package is showing up in the repo, did i add the wrong thing to sources.list? |
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| 11:21.47 | rjsalts | funkadelic, have you added i386 to your architectures? |
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| 11:24.32 | funkadelic | rjsalts, how do i do that? |
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| 11:25.43 | rjsalts | funkadelic, dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update |
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| 11:31.25 | MaBunny | hello |
| 11:31.45 | MaBunny | can you guys help me in telling where im wrong in my fstb config? |
| 11:31.57 | MaBunny | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:32.11 | MaBunny | output: http://paste.debian.net/790046/ |
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| 11:34.33 | jelly | MaBunny: your fstab is cut off on the right side, you may have pasted it from vim |
| 11:34.44 | MaBunny | ok |
| 11:34.54 | jelly | MaBunny: pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net < /etc/fstab |
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| 11:35.27 | jelly | MaBunny: btw there's no "fat32" fs type for line 14, it's "vfat" |
| 11:35.33 | MaBunny | ok |
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| 11:36.23 | MaBunny | 5-10 mins pls....coming back in |
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| 11:38.49 | reev | MaBunny use https://clbin.com |
| 11:39.22 | jelly | paste.debian.net is jsut fine |
| 11:39.45 | DeaDSouL | hi, I have debian wheezy installed. yesterday the electricity went down, so the server shutted down,.. when I switched it back on, it was complaining about ata1.00 things, and stucking in the booting process. So, I boot the recovery mode and did some fsck, i found 4 bad blocks, and got them fixed. now it's booting find,. the problem is whenever i login as normal user or root, it automatically logs me back out. how can I fix that ? |
| 11:40.56 | DeaDSouL | * find = fine |
| 11:41.36 | DeaDSouL | ps: it's server without gui |
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| 11:43.08 | Xin | hey all |
| 11:43.17 | Xin | I have a debian box with a hostname set to 'dev' |
| 11:43.18 | DeaDSouL | hi Xin |
| 11:43.32 | Xin | it was working perfectly but I was fiddling with samba and now it doesnt work ;< |
| 11:43.43 | Xin | like I can access the box via ip but not hostname |
| 11:44.50 | DeaDSouL | Xin: tried dev.local ? |
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| 11:45.05 | eSa| | http://paste.debian.net/790057/ how can I correct this? |
| 11:45.12 | reev | jelly let him learn something different today |
| 11:45.16 | Xin | yeah dev.local doesnt resolve either |
| 11:45.25 | Xin | it WAS working |
| 11:45.54 | Xin | I just dunno how samba is related to hostnames lol |
| 11:45.59 | DeaDSouL | Xin: i used to have same problem, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't |
| 11:46.12 | DeaDSouL | Xin: instead use /etc/hosts |
| 11:46.28 | Xin | im accessing it from outside |
| 11:46.41 | DeaDSouL | Xin: specify your machines in it |
| 11:46.42 | Xin | its ok ill just fix samba |
| 11:47.42 | Xin | oh |
| 11:47.52 | Xin | its cause somehow its made the netbios nameserver stop launching |
| 11:47.56 | Xin | makes sense |
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| 11:48.30 | DeaDSouL | Xin: once i got my wheezy fixed i'll check my netbios too .. thanks bro |
| 11:48.31 | jelly | reev: oh it's a sprunge.us code pastebin. |
| 11:51.36 | DeaDSouL | anyone guys? |
| 11:51.40 | reev | jelly yeah |
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| 11:51.57 | funkadelic | themill, its still not showing up in the repos |
| 11:52.21 | themill | real output in a pastebin? |
| 11:52.32 | themill | dpkg: tell funkadelic about bat |
| 11:52.38 | themill | dpkg: tell funkadelic about which arch |
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| 11:54.41 | Xin | rofl now my samba share is working and my hostname is working |
| 11:54.47 | Xin | but I cant log into the gui |
| 11:54.49 | funkadelic | themill, 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
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| 11:55.19 | themill | funkadelic: that is about 10% of the information asked for. |
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| 11:56.07 | funkadelic | dpkg --print-architecture; uname -r; dpkg --print-foreign-architectures) | xargs echo says syntax error near unexpected token themill |
| 11:56.07 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, funkadelic |
| 11:56.22 | themill | you missed the ( |
| 11:56.55 | Xin | ive tried rebooting twice but I just cannot log into the default debian 8 gui |
| 11:56.59 | Xin | it shows the login screen |
| 11:57.06 | Xin | I click the name enter my password |
| 11:57.15 | Xin | and it just hangs for a sec then goes back to login |
| 11:57.44 | funkadelic | themill, the only thing it outputs is amd64 3.16.0-4-amd64 i386 |
| 11:57.57 | Xin | any ideas? |
| 11:57.58 | themill | funkadelic: good. That's better. |
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| 11:59.11 | Xin | grr how annoying |
| 11:59.21 | Xin | I didnt even touch anything to do with graphics lol |
| 11:59.31 | Xin | only samba and file mounts |
| 12:00.10 | Xin | I tried setting the session to another for login but that did the same thing |
| 12:00.15 | Xin | to black screen then back to login |
| 12:00.41 | hiya | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:02.00 | jelly | ,v linux-image-grsec-amd64 |
| 12:02.01 | judd | Package: linux-image-grsec-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 9~bpo8+1; sid: 9 |
| 12:02.15 | jelly | hiya: is that good enough for you? |
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| 12:03.04 | hiya | jelly, why not better defaults like Ubuntu? |
| 12:03.15 | hiya | I am not here to provoke just asking |
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| 12:03.52 | jelly | maybe someone's already working on the default kernel, dunno, but if you really care you might as well go with grsecurity |
| 12:04.21 | eSa| | why have I done such a stupid mistake? |
| 12:04.24 | themill | gcc and g++ already do compile packages with hardening |
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| 12:05.38 | jelly | hiya: I assume you're asking because you have an immediate need or usage scenario in mind? |
| 12:05.40 | hiya | jelly, Do you know why did Debian leave it like this? I am sure Debian's security team is not dumb, there gotta be a valid reason? |
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| 12:06.21 | jelly | nope. Also, debian kernel team is different from debian security team. |
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| 12:06.50 | hiya | My friend had a debate on secure option for newbie and they came up with Ubunt.. LTS and they gave these reasons. Hence just wondering |
| 12:06.59 | hiya | it was a shocker for me |
| 12:07.00 | MaBunny | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/790064/ |
| 12:07.20 | hiya | I always thought Debian is more secure and harden kernel by default and so is binary hardenign |
| 12:08.36 | themill | also, you should check details, vm86 is not enabled in the upcoming kernels, following the change to the upstream position on it |
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| 12:09.10 | abrotman | hiya: it ultimately comes down to the admin team and security practices |
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| 12:09.27 | themill | and what level of breakage is acceptable |
| 12:09.48 | themill | (breaking drivers in stable is not acceptable) |
| 12:10.11 | hiya | themill, you mean in 9? |
| 12:10.36 | hiya | abrotman, yes |
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| 12:15.04 | MaBunny | i figured out the 0EA5 one |
| 12:15.18 | MaBunny | but it says problem at line 8 and 10 |
| 12:15.34 | MaBunny | output: http://paste.debian.net/790046/ |
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| 12:22.17 | MaBunny | ok got it working but |
| 12:22.26 | MaBunny | can anyone pls help me guys |
| 12:22.40 | MaBunny | i dont kno if its a problem on the UUID |
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| 12:23.26 | MaBunny | ? |
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| 12:23.59 | MaBunny | http://paste.debian.net/790068/ |
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| 12:26.04 | MaBunny | http://paste.debian.net/790069/ |
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| 12:29.01 | themill | MaBunny: you've still not actually shown us the complete contents of your fstab |
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| 12:32.19 | hiya | MaBunny, yo bro what is the error? |
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| 12:34.52 | DeaDSouL | hi, yesterday the electricity went down, so the server shutted down,.. when I switched it back on, it was complaining about ata1.00 things, and stucking in the booting process. So, I boot the recovery mode and did some fsck, i found 4 bad blocks, and got them fixed. now it's booting fine,. the problem is whenever i login as normal user or root, it works for micro-seconds, then it automatically logs me back out. how can I fix that ? ps: serve |
| 12:34.52 | DeaDSouL | r doesn't have gui |
| 12:35.10 | DeaDSouL | here is auth.log : https://s4.postimg.io/4fhsogm9p/IMG_0674.jpg |
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| 12:35.36 | DeaDSouL | and this is a clean one of auth.log : https://s4.postimg.io/9fyq462e5/IMG_0676.jpg |
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| 12:35.48 | Xin | hey all how can I check that a partitions encrypted with LUKs is properly encrypted? :) |
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| 12:37.15 | MaBunny | Mashallah mashallah |
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| 12:37.32 | MaBunny | ain-akbar mubarak |
| 12:38.02 | ikonia | Xin: are you using ubuntu or debian |
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| 12:38.36 | Xin | both |
| 12:39.01 | ikonia | they both do things differently |
| 12:39.07 | ikonia | so it will depend on how you are working / setup |
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| 12:40.37 | Lemonade1947 | Hey, my disk has what I believe to be a standard NTFS partition. It's accessible in windows, but not in Debian, I just get the "drive not valid" error. |
| 12:41.09 | ikonia | "drive not valid" is not an error |
| 12:41.15 | ikonia | whats the real error you get and how are you accessing i |
| 12:41.18 | Lemonade1947 | Well, you know what I mean |
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| 12:41.24 | Xin | ikonia; well lets start with debian - I am following this |
| 12:41.27 | Xin | http://askubuntu.com/questions/450895/mount-luks-encrypted-hard-drive-at-boot |
| 12:41.28 | MaBunny | how do i use dhclient to make it accept traffic from usb0?? |
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| 12:42.12 | Lemonade1947 | ikonia, trying to access it in pcmanfm |
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| 12:42.55 | Lemonade1947 | "The specified directory 'computer:///ST1000DM033-1CH162-1.drive' is not valid" |
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| 12:44.53 | ikonia | Lemonade1947: I don't know what you mean, thats why I'm asking |
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| 12:45.14 | Lemonade1947 | how can I be more specific? |
| 12:45.29 | ikonia | Lemonade1947: most of those file managers will attempt to manage via fuse |
| 12:45.42 | ikonia | Lemonade1947: check the syslog to see what's going on as it will try to mount the disk at some level |
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| 12:46.21 | Lemonade1947 | It's a 1tb drive, 300ish for linux, 300ish for windows10 400ish for shared storage. |
| 12:47.01 | ikonia | thats just the disk size |
| 12:47.06 | ikonia | that really has nothing to do with things |
| 12:47.25 | ikonia | you mount / access the partition, not the disk |
| 12:47.43 | ikonia | so if you are trying to access the ntfs partition, you should see some sort of mount request in the syslog |
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| 12:49.33 | Lemonade1947 | ikonia, nothing relevant is added to it. I just looked. |
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| 12:51.11 | ikonia | Lemonade1947: so there is no attempt to mount the disk as far as the syslog is concerned |
| 12:51.21 | Lemonade1947 | Nope. |
| 12:52.03 | Xin | ikonia; so I am using vmware currently, ive made a new virtual disk and loaded it into my vm, formatted as ext4, cryptdisk'd it, generated a key stored on encrypted /home drive |
| 12:52.28 | Xin | added new drive to /etc/crypttab |
| 12:52.46 | Xin | and added to fstab |
| 12:52.47 | ikonia | Xin: yeah, I don't actually believe what you are saying you are doing and what OS's you are using |
| 12:52.52 | ikonia | Xin: others may help you |
| 12:52.56 | ikonia | Lemonade1947: can you maually mount it ? |
| 12:53.09 | Lemonade1947 | I don't know how :/ |
| 12:53.12 | Xin | ikonia; lol, k |
| 12:53.13 | Xin | http://prntscr.com/c6ugug |
| 12:53.15 | Xin | ^^ |
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| 12:53.42 | ikonia | Xin: yeah, but you are also saying the same thing in ubuntu channels |
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| 12:53.57 | Rubas | Hello, how do I check if my server has a mail server? |
| 12:53.58 | Xin | right, because I need the exact same thing in ubuntu - but now ive figured it out it seems itd be the same |
| 12:54.02 | Xin | anyway |
| 12:54.05 | Rubas | Can a server send mails out without a mail server? |
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| 12:54.12 | MaBunny | hello guys |
| 12:54.14 | Xin | now I just want to somehow check that my vmdk file is actually encrypted |
| 12:54.31 | MaBunny | whats the UTF term for German |
| 12:54.34 | Xin | I was thinking if I just wrote a single text file with some distinctive content |
| 12:54.41 | Xin | and did a search for it in the file |
| 12:54.46 | Xin | if not found, its encrypted? |
| 12:54.49 | Xin | :/ |
| 12:56.55 | Xin | sweet its apparently encrypted just fine |
| 12:57.05 | Xin | hopefully as I say it will be identical in ubuntu! :D |
| 12:57.09 | Xin | thanks anyway |
| 12:57.30 | MaBunny | guys? |
| 12:58.06 | MaBunny | what does DE mean? |
| 12:58.18 | MaBunny | Deutchsland? |
| 12:58.45 | Rubas | UTF-8 |
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| 12:58.47 | Rubas | de_DE |
| 12:58.56 | MaBunny | ok |
| 12:59.05 | Rubas | MaBunny: sorry |
| 12:59.11 | Rubas | UTF-8 de_CH |
| 12:59.22 | Rubas | MaBunny: That should be the right one |
| 12:59.23 | MaBunny | ok |
| 12:59.38 | Rubas | MaBunny: Haha lol sorry |
| 12:59.43 | Rubas | MaBunny: it is de_DE.utf8 # German language, Germany, UTF-8 encoding |
| 12:59.52 | Rubas | MaBunny: Check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Locale |
| 13:00.02 | MaBunny | haha ok |
| 13:00.16 | Rubas | de_CH is Switzerland ) |
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| 13:47.39 | DeaDSouL | anyone guys? |
| 13:47.58 | sk1 | yes |
| 13:48.02 | polyzen | a lot of guys |
| 13:48.05 | sk1 | only |
| 13:49.06 | DeaDSouL | any ideas that might help with my problem? |
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| 13:50.12 | polyzen | shut* stuck* booted* |
| 13:50.33 | polyzen | and no :S |
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| 13:59.48 | DeaDSouL | debian logs out immediately.. how to fix it ? |
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| 14:06.28 | MaBunny | are there any commands to select and load kernel modules according to user wish??? |
| 14:06.59 | han-solo | modprobe? |
| 14:07.25 | MaBunny | can modprobe install all the kernel modules?? |
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| 14:13.51 | MaBunny | guys??? |
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| 14:14.30 | themill | did you look at the modprobe man page? |
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| 14:34.21 | MaBunny | i mean what changes do i hav to make in sshd_config?? |
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| 14:34.37 | themill | none |
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| 14:41.44 | Iridos | that one was easy |
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| 14:44.05 | geeg | guys, is there any practical use for /dev/zero? |
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| 14:45.30 | teclo- | yes there is |
| 14:45.53 | teclo- | if you want to write many 0 to something, you need to do dd if=/dev/zero of=.... |
| 14:45.57 | Stummi | for example clearing your disk |
| 14:45.59 | teclo- | for instance a usb key |
| 14:46.05 | teclo- | indeed like Stummi says |
| 14:46.10 | teclo- | or a disk |
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| 14:46.31 | teclo- | you want to clean, or well, make it sure there is nothing on it |
| 14:46.45 | teclo- | then you'll use dd if=/dev/zero of=<your disk> |
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| 14:48.58 | akrherz | hi debian, I know little about debian packaging :( but am trying to support a .deb for Openfire, see https://github.com/igniterealtime/Openfire/blob/master/build/debian/control , what is the proper Build-Depends: and Pre-Depends: ? java-runtime or default-jre ? TIA |
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| 14:52.00 | babilen | dpkg: tell akrherz -about mentors |
| 14:52.12 | babilen | akrherz: Please tell them right away that you are not packaging for Debian |
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| 14:52.43 | xgpt | hey everyone! I would like to pose a question to you all. Is there a way to disable all networking on a debian/ubuntu system? I would like to install the OS, then install my applications, and then DISABLE networking on the device to users. I want this to hold across reboots. I want to be able to re-enable networking, but I want that to take another manual intervention to re-enable. |
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| 14:54.39 | han-solo | systemctl stop networking? |
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| 14:56.12 | xgpt | han-solo, will that hold across reboots? |
| 14:56.43 | han-solo | well, you might wanna put that on the startup scripts then, i guess |
| 14:57.25 | akrherz | babilen: ok, thank you |
| 14:57.40 | han-solo | or maybe there's another way |
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| 14:58.24 | han-solo | or crontab @reboot :/ |
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| 15:00.30 | xqzybear | do I have to use pip to install python-gevent 1.1~? (it doensn't seem to be available in jessie or jessie-backports) |
| 15:00.36 | geeg | thanks! teclo |
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| 15:03.24 | xgpt | han-solo, crontab would be my solution! that's easy enough to implement/remove |
| 15:03.57 | DeaDSouL | hi, i tried fsck.ext4 -fc, -fDy, -fp... they all says that i do have 3 bad blocks... how can I fix them? |
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| 15:04.53 | geeg | man fsck? :D |
| 15:04.59 | maziar | hello, i have a HDMI camera and i connect the camera to my system over HDMI, now i want to stream from my system to all person on my lan, how should i do it ? |
| 15:05.15 | han-solo | okay |
| 15:05.59 | DeaDSouL | geeg: yes, that's why i used -fp ... but it doesn't fix the bad blocks |
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| 15:07.12 | jelly | DeaDSouL: you can't fix them if they're really bad, you can just mark them so the filesystem will avoid using them, that's what -c does |
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| 15:08.54 | maziar | anybody knows how can i record from HDMI input ? |
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| 15:09.38 | jelly | maziar: you'd need a hdmi capture card. |
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| 15:10.41 | geeg | does fsck will complaint every time about bad blocks? |
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| 15:11.25 | DeaDSouL | jelly: ok, thanks.... btw, my problem is whenever i login, the system logs me back out in microseconds .... how can I know what's the problem or why does it do that? |
| 15:11.46 | nohitall | hi guys, question regraading jessie, im trying to use curl but I get: Protocol " https" not supported or disabled in libcurl. Anyone an idea? never seen that before |
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| 15:12.08 | maziar | jelly without it, i can not record from HDMI, my issue is i want to stream my office camera over our LAN network, you mean i should have a HDMI capture card for it ? |
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| 15:12.50 | DeaDSouL | jelly: i've even create a new user from recovery mode, just to verify that .profile, .Xauthority, .bashrc ..etc are not the case.. and even that new user got logged out after he logs in by microseconds |
| 15:13.25 | jelly | DeaDSouL: at the console? at the gui login screen (display manager)? |
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| 15:13.57 | jelly | maziar: if your camera only has hdmi out and not say usb or wireless, yes |
| 15:14.21 | socomm | nohitall: did you google it? |
| 15:14.35 | nohitall | socomm: tried multiple |
| 15:14.44 | nohitall | besides curl should support https...never seen that before |
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| 15:15.10 | socomm | https://curl.haxx.se/docs/faq.html#curl_1_SSL_is_disabled_https |
| 15:15.26 | maziar | jelly bad news, but in windows, there are some many application that you can see what camera is see |
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| 15:15.36 | nohitall | curl from jessie repo is not build with ssl support? I doubt that |
| 15:15.39 | nohitall | i used it before 100 times |
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| 15:16.41 | socomm | nohitall: ldd $(which cdurl) | grep ssl |
| 15:17.03 | socomm | nohitall: ldd $(which curl) | grep ssl |
| 15:17.11 | socomm | Would help if I could spell. |
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| 15:18.04 | nohitall | libssl.so.1.0.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0 |
| 15:18.12 | nohitall | i also just installed curl 5min ago normally via apt-get |
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| 15:18.21 | nohitall | thats why im dumbfounded |
| 15:18.27 | nohitall | its a fresh jessie install |
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| 15:19.29 | socomm | nohitall: libssl installed, I'd presume |
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| 15:22.01 | socomm | also what does 'dpkg -l | grep curl && which curl' give you? |
| 15:23.16 | nohitall | ii libcurl3:amd64 7.38.0-4+deb8u4 amd64 easy-to-use client-side URL transfer library (OpenSSL flavour) |
| 15:23.19 | nohitall | ii libcurl3-gnutls:amd64 7.38.0-4+deb8u4 amd64 easy-to-use client-side URL transfer library (GnuTLS flavour) |
| 15:23.22 | nohitall | ii libcurl4-openssl-dev:amd64 7.38.0-4+deb8u4 amd64 development files and documentation for libcurl (OpenSSL flavour) |
| 15:23.25 | nohitall | hm sorry |
| 15:24.10 | jelly | maziar: then there has to be a way that camera is connected to the windows system. |
| 15:24.15 | jelly | other than hdm |
| 15:24.17 | jelly | i. |
| 15:24.23 | nohitall | socomm: http://pastebin.com/raw/zAQ5E7YH |
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| 15:29.32 | nohitall | socomm: nice mystery aint it? |
| 15:30.23 | han-solo | Tech101 : turn it off, and then on nack again |
| 15:30.37 | han-solo | s/nack/back |
| 15:30.51 | han-solo | was it admin101? :) |
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| 15:35.07 | nohitall | wonder why it says " https" with whitespace |
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| 15:41.34 | M-alex_mayorga | ¡Hola! So I'm looking at https://wiki.debian.org/FingerForce but I'm still unclear as to whether is it possible to login to GNOME with my fingerprint. Does anyone know how to make this work? |
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| 15:45.33 | vargus | holla |
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| 15:47.31 | M-alex_mayorga | vargus: ¡Hola! |
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| 15:48.57 | greycat | "Starting with 4.87~RC1-1 exim will not accept messages with physical lines longer than 998 characters." |
| 15:49.08 | greycat | ... what. |
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| 15:49.40 | greycat | remembers why he doesn't use exim on any of his actual important mail servers |
| 15:50.46 | jelly | greycat: eh, postfix has been doing that for quite a while didn't it |
| 15:51.05 | greycat | Wouldn't know. I have literally never installed postfix. |
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| 15:51.23 | jelly | all sane clients wrap their lines to fit the standard |
| 15:52.11 | vargus | exit |
| 15:52.22 | jelly | I've had one single issue with long lines in the last 5-10 years, a custom mail filter of ours broke because of very very long lines |
| 15:53.10 | greycat | So Microsoft Outlook (or whatever they're using out there) just breaks up their paragraphs in some random spot? |
| 15:54.05 | jelly | greycat: no, they use MIME. The 998 limit is about smtp protocol. |
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| 15:54.53 | Pr0metheus | ony my computer i first installed windows on an ssd (ssdA), then i installed debian on another ssd (ssdB) and i boot from ssdB, which shows a menu to select where to boot. Now i want to remove windows from ssdA and move my Debian installation there (from ssdB to ssdA). Can anyone give me the steps i should follow and i'll search for the details. Thanks |
| 15:55.56 | va | http://codepad.org/xoYE4nz2 How to circumvent this Debian⦠weirdness of a broken -S request |
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| 15:57.56 | jelly | mime messages with Content-Type: [...] format=flowed use extra syntax to concatenate raw lines where desired |
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| 15:59.45 | greycat | I see. |
| 15:59.58 | greycat | Or at least I'll take your word for it. MIME sounds godawfully complicated. |
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| 16:32.57 | Kirito | Is nethogs broken in Jessie? I'm getting a "creating socket failed while establishing local IP - are you root?" error when trying to use it. (Obviously, yes I am root). A quick Google returns this, https://askubuntu.com/questions/726601/nethogs-%E2%86%92-creating-socket-failed-while-establishing-local-ip-are-you-root - Ubuntu, but it's the same release Debian is using. No backported bugfix on Debian..? |
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| 16:37.05 | intersarsi | Hi everyone! I have a camcorder DV and I would like capture the video through firewire. Could you help me about this topic? |
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| 16:44.02 | beloved | How can I check random read speed on a USB flash drive? |
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| 16:49.36 | `Kevin | beloved: you can do quite a bit of things with fio relating to i/o... likely overkill for your needs but thats one solution |
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| 16:50.19 | beloved | `Kevin: How? |
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| 16:53.31 | `Kevin | id suggest you read more into the man page so you understand what you are actually doing.. https://wiki.mikejung.biz/Benchmarking#Random_Read |
| 16:53.55 | beloved | `Kevin: Thanks a lot. |
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| 16:54.13 | beloved | for the link. |
| 16:54.35 | `Kevin | i/o isnt always a straight-forward test so mess around with it |
| 16:54.36 | `Kevin | yep |
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| 17:01.56 | beloved | `Kevin: Wonderful! |
| 17:02.08 | beloved | `Kevin: I got what I sought. |
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| 17:03.50 | simbalion | Can someone recommend a good gui sftp client? the version of Filezilla in the backports repo doesn't work right apparently. |
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| 17:05.57 | jelly | simbalion: how does it fail? |
| 17:06.20 | simbalion | jelly: times out on one of my servers but not others. I asked in the support channel and they said the version is too old so they can't support it. |
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| 17:06.32 | jelly | ,v filezilla |
| 17:06.33 | judd | Package: filezilla on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.5.3-2; wheezy-backports: 3.9.0.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.9.0.5-1; stretch: 3.20.0-1; sid: 3.20.0-1 |
| 17:06.49 | jelly | simbalion: which debian release are you using? |
| 17:06.54 | simbalion | jelly: jessie |
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| 17:07.14 | jelly | ,checkbackport filezilla |
| 17:07.15 | judd | Backporting package filezilla in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libfilezilla-dev (>= 0.6.1), libgnutls28-dev (>= 3.4.0), libpugixml-dev (>= 1.5), nettle-dev (>= 3.1). |
| 17:07.24 | jelly | eugh |
| 17:07.32 | jelly | ,checkbackport libfilezilla-dev |
| 17:07.33 | judd | Backporting package libfilezilla-dev in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
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| 17:08.40 | jelly | so maybe backporting 3.20 yourself wouldn't be that easy |
| 17:10.54 | simbalion | I've never done anything like that I'm sure it would be a huge challenge :) might be fun to learn tho. |
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| 17:14.13 | simbalion | I wonder if I could run bitvise using mono or wine.. it has a great sftp client |
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| 17:18.17 | f-a | a car sharing service I use decided that it won't support booking from mobile phone no more, you need a smartphone now. |
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| 17:18.40 | f-a | I don't want to buy a smartphone, is there a way to 'emulate' an android phone on debian? (other solutions/ideas welcome) |
| 17:19.02 | simbalion | f-a: on the upside, smartphones allow you to record all of your phone calls, which is great for catching people trying to cheat you (which is basically everyone). |
| 17:19.09 | arha | f-a: bluestacks |
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| 17:19.19 | arha | on vmware ? |
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| 17:19.31 | simbalion | everyone should own a smartphone if for no other reason than to record all of their phone calls |
| 17:19.40 | arha | nah |
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| 17:19.54 | arha | smartphones dies if you hike beyond 0* C |
| 17:20.19 | arha | if you live anywherenin the middle east and stay outside too much |
| 17:20.31 | Zharf | 0C? |
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| 17:20.48 | arha | or simply don t want to pay for the electricity to be used by google as a wifi scanner |
| 17:20.51 | Zharf | then there'd be millions of dead phones every year in here |
| 17:21.34 | arha | every time i went hiking andnit got beyond freezing, pretty much the whole group hsd smartphone issues |
| 17:21.44 | Zharf | at least my phone hasn't died and it's frequently around -20, sometimes below -30 |
| 17:21.44 | f-a | arha: I am searching bluestack now, I suspect is not oss, right? |
| 17:22.03 | arha | there s a gsm phone with no smart display, uses AA batteries, waterproof, emegency-phonee kind of |
| 17:22.23 | arha | now that s something everybody should have :D |
| 17:22.28 | arha | f-a: sadly, no |
| 17:22.59 | f-a | ouch |
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| 17:23.10 | f-a | well, I guess I am fat enough, walking will do me good |
| 17:23.22 | f-a | still, sad that everything is being pushed on smartphones |
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| 17:37.15 | phpwar | ban im ? I remove the directory and I want to Ban im if someone try to get access to /sendtoafriend_ajax.php thank you |
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| 17:49.04 | GitGrub | does debian apt-get update properly for custom kernels? i compiled my own kernel on a debian system and upgraded to that. But for the past week haven't been getting updates? |
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| 17:51.02 | nkuttler | GitGrub: where would the updates for your custom kernel come from? |
| 17:51.28 | GitGrub | nkuttler, you mean my sources list? |
| 17:51.39 | GitGrub | i mean I'm running debian Jessie |
| 17:51.42 | GitGrub | 8.5 |
| 17:51.48 | nkuttler | GitGrub: if you build a custom kernel you'll have to update it yourself |
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| 17:52.15 | GitGrub | nkuttler, well do you mean update the custom kernel myself? or update all dpkg/apt-get packages myself? |
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| 17:52.44 | nkuttler | GitGrub: no, just the kernel. the other packages will get upgrades from the repo |
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| 17:52.46 | GitGrub | because i was talking about dpkg/apt-get packages update not being there for a whole week |
| 17:52.57 | GitGrub | not the kernel |
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| 17:52.57 | nkuttler | GitGrub: you're running stable, that's normal |
| 17:53.08 | GitGrub | oh i see. ok dope. thanks a lot. i was confused |
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| 17:53.29 | jelly | GitGrub: only if your custom kernel broke the network somehow so the updates couldn't go through... |
| 17:53.48 | GitGrub | jelly, so how can i test this? |
| 17:54.04 | jelly | GitGrub: you'd notice network not working at all! |
| 17:54.13 | GitGrub | well its working because I'm here xD |
| 17:54.23 | Phoenixbyrd | good afternoon all |
| 17:54.36 | GitGrub | as a test yesterday i added sid sources then did the apt-get update and apt-get upgrade command and i got a bunch of updates ready but i said no to that..then removed the sid sources |
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| 17:55.04 | jelly | GitGrub: all's fine then. Make sure you have the security repo enabled. |
| 17:55.07 | jelly | !jessie sources.list |
| 17:55.08 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 17:55.48 | GitGrub | jelly, oh i see what nkuttler means. before running jessie 8.5 i was running sid testing. and that one got upgrades like every night. so i expected the same from this one. but because this is stable we get updates later because things get chekced more. makes sense |
| 17:55.53 | DeaDSouL | hi, in /var/log/syslog .. it says : 'EXT4-fs (sda5): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro' .......... is it normal ? could be the one causing the system to log me out immediately every time i login? |
| 17:55.54 | GitGrub | alright thanks guys :) |
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| 18:00.48 | jelly | GitGrub: on stable, you _only_ get security and critical fixes. If you have nothing install that's known to be horribly insecure or horribly broken... no updates. |
| 18:01.05 | jelly | installed* |
| 18:01.15 | GitGrub | yeahh i get that now |
| 18:01.26 | GitGrub | yeah i was thinking something was wrong because i compiled my own kernel |
| 18:02.03 | GitGrub | like apt didn't find my kernel in their db or something so i couldn't get updates for old packages or somehting |
| 18:02.17 | sypher | GitGrub: Be aware that running your own compiled kernel means you no longer get security updates for it. You'll have to keep building your own kernel frequently. |
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| 18:02.45 | jelly | sypher: he's getting security updates, just not using them. |
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| 18:03.03 | sypher | jelly: I meant for the running kernel. :P |
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| 18:03.27 | jelly | he never did have security updates for the custom one |
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| 18:04.07 | sypher | That's what I'm saying...? |
| 18:04.12 | GitGrub | well i got it from here: https://www.kernel.org/. and i compiled it successfully like last week. and dont they like constantly change the kernel's as new updates come out anyway ? |
| 18:04.24 | GitGrub | kernels* |
| 18:04.49 | sypher | GitGrub: Suppose I'm asking WHY you're not using the distribution kernel. |
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| 18:05.33 | GitGrub | i had 3.16 kernel and i tried to upgrade it but they didn't let me :p |
| 18:05.44 | GitGrub | like i did apt dist-upgrade and nothing happened |
| 18:06.11 | GitGrub | so i figured i would upgrade it myself. other than that, for my desktop i suppose there was no need to compile my own |
| 18:06.17 | sypher | GitGrub: Because that's the current supported kernel for Debian jessie, with included backported fixes. Why would you need a different one? |
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| 18:06.39 | sypher | GitGrub: I'd recommend removing whatever custom compiled kernel you're using and simply using the included one. |
| 18:06.56 | GitGrub | i guess i could add backports to my sources and upgrade kernels that way |
| 18:07.14 | GitGrub | but I was curious if i could do both |
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| 18:07.29 | GitGrub | as in keep getting security updates for custom kernels? |
| 18:07.42 | GitGrub | or is that not possible? |
| 18:07.56 | sypher | GitGrub: You don't have a need for a custom kernel at all, or a backport. |
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| 18:08.16 | sypher | GitGrub: Just use the 3.16 kernel that is already maintained by the Debian maintainers. |
| 18:08.33 | GitGrub | i see. ok thanks |
| 18:09.15 | mtn | sypher: there are reasons to use a newer kernel, after all |
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| 18:09.40 | sypher | mtn: Not unless you can properly articulate such a reason. If you can't, then no, there isn't. |
| 18:09.47 | mtn | GitGrub: if you need/want a newer kernel, just use backports. that is why it exists ;) |
| 18:10.06 | GitGrub | alright :) |
| 18:10.07 | mtn | sypher: you have to be kidding. newer hardware, for one reason. jeez |
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| 18:10.33 | jelly | mtn: that'd be "articulation of a reason" in syphertalk |
| 18:10.35 | GitGrub | newer kernels give a higher sense of security and belonging :) |
| 18:10.36 | GitGrub | but ok. i see what you mean |
| 18:10.50 | sypher | GitGrub: Security updates are already backported into the stable kernel release. :) |
| 18:11.14 | jelly | GitGrub: that sense is about as wrong as it can be wrt security, tho |
| 18:11.14 | Serialbox | I'm eager to see grsecurity in the stable release branch :) |
| 18:11.22 | sypher | mtn: And I'm sure you're more than capable enough of identifying that need. GitGrub, on the other hand, hasn't given a real reason to need anything other than the stable kernel. |
| 18:11.24 | mtn | jelly: oh, I see. must get my "silly" filters changed. they seem to be plugged |
| 18:12.12 | sypher | mtn: Yeah, I wasn't saying that there is NEVER a reason to use a newer kernel. Just not in GitGrub's particular case. :) |
| 18:12.13 | jelly | tune up them comprehension skillz |
| 18:12.14 | GitGrub | yeah i was working with grsecurity and compiling kernels for those. but One question about that. is there a way to configure grsecurity, the grsecurity updated kernel that you get from apt-get ? |
| 18:12.33 | jelly | ,v linux-image-grsec-amd64 |
| 18:12.34 | judd | Package: linux-image-grsec-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 9~bpo8+1; sid: 9 |
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| 18:12.46 | jelly | Serialbox: backports good enough? |
| 18:12.55 | Serialbox | jelly: yes Sir, i didn't realize it'd made it into backports |
| 18:13.00 | Serialbox | jelly: thanks! |
| 18:13.04 | GitGrub | jelly, when you compile grsecurity with a linux kernel you get all these configuration options. when you update with apt-get you dont |
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| 18:13.22 | Serialbox | I'm still compiling from source grsecurity |
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| 18:13.40 | jelly | GitGrub: you get a predefined set of options, and it's still a lot of them, you just didn't have to see them |
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| 18:14.02 | p0rt | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/ngspice |
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| 18:14.08 | p0rt | any ideas why is this non-free?> |
| 18:14.14 | GitGrub | jelly, is there a way to see this predefined set of options so that I could see if it fits my use case ? |
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| 18:17.28 | jelly | yes but I don't know how |
| 18:18.00 | jelly | apart from the obvious, download the package and look at /boot/config-* |
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| 18:18.29 | `Kevin | DeaDSouL: what is sda5's mountpoint? |
| 18:18.31 | GitGrub | i think it would be nice if the options that were selected in debian's grsec would be made public in the website somewhere so i dont have to second guess myself on the options that those were selected. i suppose sysctl shows some options though. but idk if all of those were covered by that |
| 18:18.46 | GitGrub | i see jelly ok. makes sense |
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| 18:19.19 | Aorious | Hi, I where can I find an up-to-date guide on setting up debian live with persistence? |
| 18:19.20 | GitGrub | i guess i'll just study that. but thanks for the advice everybody :) |
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| 18:35.05 | DeaDSouL | `Kevin: it should be mounted on / |
| 18:35.15 | DeaDSouL | `Kevin: sorry i was away |
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| 18:36.21 | cq11 | p0rt: Could be something simple like how gcc-docs is non-free? |
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| 18:37.04 | uhoreg[m] | p0rt: see http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//non-free/n/ngspice/ngspice_26-1.1~deb8u1_copyright It has a bunch of stuff in it that are non-free |
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| 18:37.49 | cq11 | p0rt: Or ^^. (I was just butt pulling.) |
| 18:37.55 | uhoreg[m] | e.g. search for "This code IS to be used for non-commercial usage ONLY.", and "No license found, only copyright" |
| 18:38.32 | DeaDSouL | is there any website that offers a commercial debian support ? |
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| 18:41.12 | `Kevin | DeaDSouL: so it remounted / as readonly, a fsck might fix it (reboot) but then again it could be a dying HDD |
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| 18:41.50 | uhoreg[m] | DeaDSouL: https://www.debian.org/consultants/ ? |
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| 18:42.24 | DexterF | h |
| 18:42.27 | DexterF | hi |
| 18:42.43 | DeaDSouL | `Kevin: i tried: fsck.ext4 -vfy /dev/sda5 .. -vcy .. -vDy .. -vp ... didn't fix the issue where it logs me back out every time i try to login |
| 18:43.06 | DeaDSouL | uhoreg[m]: thanks |
| 18:43.44 | DeaDSouL | `Kevin: i tried systemctl -H /dev/sda5 ... it says it's ok and passed |
| 18:44.38 | DeaDSouL | i'm really out of ideas... i don't know what causes this... what could causing the system to log me out |
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| 18:46.00 | DeaDSouL | i've created a new user.. just to make sure, there is no custom .profile, .bashrc or anything but the defaults... same thing, the system logs him back out once he logged in |
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| 18:46.25 | `Kevin | is this logout specific to graphical login? or ssh even |
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| 18:47.03 | DeaDSouL | `Kevin: no bro, i don't have any gui.. it's a local server ... even the ssh didn't work |
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| 18:47.27 | greycat | What errors/output do you get when the ssh connection is severed? |
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| 18:49.51 | DeaDSouL | `Kevin: here bro: https://s3.postimg.org/btgwybqab/Screen_Shot_2016_08_17_at_9_48_12_PM.png |
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| 18:51.08 | greycat | That is one fucked-up machine. |
| 18:51.20 | DeaDSouL | greycat: here bro https://s3.postimg.org/btgwybqab/Screen_Shot_2016_08_17_at_9_48_12_PM.png |
| 18:51.23 | `Kevin | im curous what state the filesystem is in given those errors(since it remounted /), eg can it read authorized keys, launch bin/bash properly etc |
| 18:51.26 | `Kevin | greycat: x2 |
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| 18:51.45 | greycat | The first one looks like your shell died, or you never got to a shell because of libwrap bullshit, or who knows. You'd need to be on the server to diagonse it. The last one looks like sshd itself died. |
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| 18:52.01 | `Kevin | indeed ^ |
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| 18:53.04 | DeaDSouL | greycat: in normal boot, it won't let me be logged in... i can only login as root in recovery mode |
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| 18:54.33 | greycat | I rather doubt our ability to help you with this system. It looks like everything you try is going to fail. |
| 18:55.15 | DeaDSouL | greycat: exactly... i just wanna why ? |
| 18:55.34 | DeaDSouL | what do you think it might causing this |
| 18:56.02 | greycat | Get to the console, look for kernel errors already written on the console. Try to login as root. If that works, try dmesg. If possible, try to read log files in /var/log. |
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| 18:57.34 | DeaDSouL | greycat: is there any tool to upload files via command-line... since it will be hard to do it manually from command line |
| 18:58.15 | DeaDSouL | greycat: it's ok, i'll try to save them on usb then upload them from another machine |
| 18:58.18 | DeaDSouL | brb |
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| 18:59.38 | greycat | stares at those words, re-reads them a few times... oh dear gods, I think he means he expects US to read HIS LOG FILES |
| 18:59.47 | `Kevin | yep. |
| 19:00.05 | `Kevin | :( lol... |
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| 19:02.04 | DeaDSouL | LOOOOL ... i'm just so helpless :( |
| 19:02.48 | `Kevin | DeaDSouL: did you run fsck 4 times as per above ^ while sda5 was mounted ro ? |
| 19:02.50 | greycat | Just find some damned errors and look at 'em with your eyes. Do they look like disk errors? Then your disk is dying. Time to get a new one. |
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| 19:03.08 | greycat | If it's not the disk then life becomes much more interesting. |
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| 19:06.13 | DeaDSouL | I don't remember i did this: update-alternatives 2016-08-17 12:11:14: run with --quiet --remove rlogin /usr/bin/ssh |
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| 19:07.21 | DeaDSouL | this too: "update-alternatives 2016-08-17 12:11:14: run with --quiet --remove rcp /usr/bin/ssh" .... are those fine? |
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| 19:10.07 | DeaDSouL | why all users has the same uid=0 ? https://s4.postimg.org/5cszrbet9/Screen_Shot_2016_08_17_at_10_09_04_PM.png |
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| 19:10.41 | greycat | You are so utterly not asking the right questions. |
| 19:11.58 | greycat | "Hi pam here someone did something" is not at all the kind of error you want to find. You want to find errors liks "sdd on fire 05 32 e4 5a 78 92" ... |
| 19:12.31 | greycat | Or in your case, sda. It's always sdd for me. God damned RAID cabinet sdd. |
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| 19:13.51 | DeaDSouL | greycat: ok.. |
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| 19:14.44 | perepujal | DeaDSouL: you say you can enter to that box as root in recovery mode, what happens if from there you start sshd service and then try to connect from outside? |
| 19:14.50 | `Kevin | ^ indeed the only interesting line in that last screenshot is the last one that is cut off but that also doesn't provide anything telling other than likely sshd isnt running anymore |
| 19:15.11 | `Kevin | which we assumed |
| 19:15.29 | greycat | Right. The question is *why* was sshd given a SIGTERM. |
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| 19:22.32 | DeaDSouL | https://s3.postimg.org/7bn7fpyv7/Screen_Shot_2016_08_17_at_10_21_56_PM.png |
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| 19:23.31 | harovali | hi, i'm trying to send data to a network printer using nc . If I issue echo hello | nc 192.168.1.102 9100 aparently it opens the connection without problems and sends the data, but it keeps waiting for input, and does not return. Why is that ? How can that be avoided ? |
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| 19:27.41 | DeaDSouL | bad target? https://s3.postimg.org/sj8locqjn/Screen_Shot_2016_08_17_at_10_26_42_PM.png |
| 19:28.11 | winsen | Hi all |
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| 19:28.47 | pingfloyd | DeaDSouL: that looks like an old version of libdbus, jessie is at 3.8.13 |
| 19:28.53 | winsen | how can I verify if wicd and networking are both running now on my machine? |
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| 19:29.33 | winsen | *wicd and network-manger... |
| 19:29.37 | DeaDSouL | pingfloyd: yes, i'm using wheezy |
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| 19:30.41 | `Kevin | DeaDSouL: didnt your issues start before these log entries thus you rebooted? |
| 19:30.46 | `Kevin | go back furthe |
| 19:30.49 | `Kevin | further |
| 19:31.13 | greycat | Don't ask #debian to read your logs for you. Find the real, underlying, fundamental errors that are causing the other problems. |
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| 19:31.41 | gebruiker | greycat: is there support for intel-microcode in deb stable? processor microcode firmware for intel cpu |
| 19:31.55 | greycat | One useful command is "dmesg | less", and then press Shift-G to jump to the BOTTOM and start reading upward. |
| 19:32.14 | greycat | gebruiker: do not isolate one random victim for your questions. Ask the channel as a whole. |
| 19:32.38 | gebruiker | greycat: apologies if I made you feel uncomfortable |
| 19:32.40 | winsen | i am asking this question because I wonder is there is conflict between the two tools? Because it stops after few minutes and I need to refresh or run wicd tool or from networking top right manually? |
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| 19:33.03 | winsen | hope that makes sense |
| 19:33.14 | winsen | any clue guys? |
| 19:33.54 | Serialbox | greycat: i'll read your logs for you. Just give me root on your machine. |
| 19:34.18 | pingfloyd | winsen: how come you're using both? |
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| 19:35.00 | pingfloyd | winsen: they can conflict with each other |
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| 19:36.29 | winsen | pingfloyed/ I stoped network-manager from 'systemctl' I don't know how can I know where is the problem is they are both runing even though I stoped NM |
| 19:37.09 | winsen | if they are... |
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| 19:42.44 | pingfloyd | winsen: pgrep -a NetworkManager and pgrep -a nm |
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| 19:45.23 | beloved | How do I kill all fio processes? sudo killall fio do not work for me |
| 19:46.05 | greycat | pkill should replace killall in your mental map of the world |
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| 19:47.11 | beloved | greycat: It didn't kill them either. |
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| 19:54.47 | DeaDSouL | back... |
| 19:55.12 | DeaDSouL | please guys help me checking those logs to know what is the problem ? https://www.dropbox.com/sh/v2xk2lk6cne81s2/AAAlafJA-Yeb_CUQ8zuDAZyBa?dl=0 |
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| 19:59.23 | sypher | DeaDSouL: No. Bad. As greycat said, learn to examine your logs for issues. |
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| 20:00.12 | DeaDSouL | sypher: which file should I start looking at? |
| 20:00.44 | DeaDSouL | sypher: i can't even tell the correct one from the incorrect statements |
| 20:00.44 | AgentElrond | With gcc 4.9.2-10 on Debian 8.2, I cannot use the "-fno-sanitize-recover" option (unrecognized command line). Why is this? As far as I can tell, sanitize options should be supported on gcc 4.9.0. I have confirmed the -fsanitize=undefined option works, in contrast. |
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| 20:01.37 | `Kevin | DeaDSouL: you rebooted numerous times after your drive was spewing errors (look at ata1 in kern.log) which also continued after a fsck and then another reboot |
| 20:01.49 | `Kevin | your drive is dying we cannot help |
| 20:02.24 | DeaDSouL | `Kevin: but the smart says it's ok and passed |
| 20:02.37 | `Kevin | smart isnt always so smart.. |
| 20:02.59 | DeaDSouL | `Kevin: how can i be sure that the hdd is dying? |
| 20:03.30 | `Kevin | read the ata1 entries in the kernel log look them up |
| 20:04.10 | DeaDSouL | `Kevin: yes... but once i ran the fsck.ext4... they're gone |
| 20:04.13 | greycat | ata1? That's... old PATA disks, right? IDE? |
| 20:04.28 | Klaus_Dieter | SwK: a/s/l = age/sex/location. |
| 20:04.46 | Klaus_Dieter | SweetPear: a/s/l = age/sex/location. |
| 20:04.46 | DeaDSouL | greycat: it's an old laptop used as home server |
| 20:05.03 | `Kevin | DeaDSouL: if a disk is dying fsck isnt going to bring it back to life.. perhaps temporarily/briefly best case scenario |
| 20:05.20 | petn-randall | DeaDSouL: Can you show us the output of 'smartctl -A /dev/sdx'? sdx being whatever drive it is you have problems with. â http://paste.debian.net |
| 20:05.27 | DeaDSouL | `Kevin: i do have windows on it too. and it's working fine |
| 20:05.45 | sypher | "fine" |
| 20:05.59 | DeaDSouL | petn-randall: sure, just a sec |
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| 20:06.24 | `Kevin | DeaDSouL: its failing to reallocate bad sectors |
| 20:06.37 | `Kevin | moving on.. |
| 20:06.39 | DeaDSouL | btw, I'm willing to pay $30 via paypal to anyone helps me solving this problem ... |
| 20:06.43 | DeaDSouL | brb |
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| 20:07.19 | sypher | DeaDSouL: Are you serious? BUY A NEW DRIVE. You've been given (spoonfed, even) the answer repeatedly. Stop rejecting it because you don't like it. |
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| 20:08.13 | petn-randall | sypher: We'll see when they post the smart logs. |
| 20:08.14 | luxio | Hold up what's his problem? |
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| 20:08.26 | SwK | Klaus_Dieter, old, sometimes, and where ever I can find it |
| 20:08.32 | luxio | I don't see where he said what his problem wasm |
| 20:08.34 | luxio | was* |
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| 20:08.59 | sypher | luxio: He hasn't at all. He's been begging the channel to read his logs for him and tell him what's wrong with his system. |
| 20:09.00 | Klaus_Dieter | SwK: sorry, I did not mean to highlight you. |
| 20:10.11 | Klaus_Dieter | hi |
| 20:10.13 | SwK | heh |
| 20:10.29 | SwK | I had a flashback to the 90s there for a minute |
| 20:10.51 | babilen | SwK: Likewise .. |
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| 20:11.13 | winsen | pingfloyed: http://paste.debian.net/790144/ |
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| 20:12.30 | winsen | pingfloyed: pgrep -a NetworkManager and pgrep -a nm |
| 20:12.30 | winsen | pgrep: only one pattern can be provided |
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| 20:12.58 | pingfloyd | winsen: you still have NetworkManager definitely loaded |
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| 20:13.04 | winsen | any clue guys? |
| 20:13.30 | DeaDSouL | petn-randall: smartctl -H : http://paste.debian.net/790147/ ...... smartctl -A : http://paste.debian.net/790145/ |
| 20:13.39 | winsen | pingfloyed: networkManager or Network-Manager? |
| 20:14.05 | pingfloyd | NetworkManager |
| 20:14.06 | winsen | pingfloyed: I am talking about the software NM |
| 20:14.13 | pingfloyd | that's the executable's name |
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| 20:14.55 | pingfloyd | is there a reason you can't just purge the one you don't want to use? |
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| 20:16.35 | winsen | pingfloyed: well, can you see if wicd is also runing? |
| 20:16.51 | DeaDSouL | sypher: btw, i had. |
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| 20:18.09 | DeaDSouL | petn-randall: is it dying? |
| 20:18.47 | petn-randall | DeaDSouL: Neither of those links are what I asked for ... |
| 20:20.29 | DeaDSouL | petn-randall: my mistake... i used sda5 while you asked for sda... just a sec |
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| 20:20.56 | petn-randall | DeaDSouL: No, look up exactly what I asked for. |
| 20:21.07 | petn-randall | DeaDSouL: Gah, my mistake. |
| 20:21.21 | petn-randall | DeaDSouL: 'smartctl -a /dev/sda' |
| 20:22.50 | DeaDSouL | ok,... just a sec |
| 20:22.52 | pingfloyd | winsen: try pgrep -a wicd |
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| 20:23.39 | petn-randall | DeaDSouL: You have 24 pending sectors, which are probably on the Linux part of the drive, and not on the windows side. Which might be might it works 'fine' on Windows. |
| 20:24.19 | petn-randall | DeaDSouL: Pending sectors are sectors that have data written on it, but can't be read anymore. That's a hint that the drive might be dying. |
| 20:24.59 | petn-randall | DeaDSouL: You can run a selftest with 'smartctl -t long /dev/sda', which might take a few hours to finish. If after those hours the number jumped even higher, you should buy a new drive. |
| 20:25.37 | pingfloyd | would be nice to see the smartctl -a output |
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| 20:27.26 | DeaDSouL | petn-randall: here bro... A: http://paste.debian.net/790151/ ... and a: http://paste.debian.net/790152/ |
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| 20:28.47 | petn-randall | DeaDSouL: Yes, your drive is failing on reading the relevant data from the disk. |
| 20:29.19 | petn-randall | DeaDSouL: Run a long self test and check if that number goes up, but either way you're loosing data, since a pending sector usually won't go away by itself. |
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| 20:30.43 | pingfloyd | DeaDSouL: have you tried checking the data cable (like swapping it or checking its connection)? |
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| 20:31.12 | DeaDSouL | pingfloyd: it's in a laptop... but no i didn't |
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| 20:31.36 | DeaDSouL | well, `Kevin i guess you were right |
| 20:31.39 | DeaDSouL | petn-randall: thanks |
| 20:31.43 | DeaDSouL | thanks all guys |
| 20:31.54 | DeaDSouL | I guess I'll buy a new hdd |
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| 20:32.02 | petn-randall | DeaDSouL: long self test takes a bit over 3 hours on your disk, run it and report back. |
| 20:32.03 | Pr0metheus | when i installed debian i let the installer do all the partitioning, i see that i have 3 partitions (Filesystem, Extended partition, swap). I don't see the extended partition mounted, does it have a special role or something? |
| 20:32.37 | jez9999 | hey guys. how difficult is it to upgrade a Squeeze install to a Jessie install, and what are the steps for doing so? |
| 20:32.51 | greycat | Upgrade to wheezy first, then to jessie. |
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| 20:32.54 | petn-randall | jez9999: Upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, then from wheezy to jessie. |
| 20:32.56 | pingfloyd | Pr0metheus: extended doesn't get mounted, it contains the logical partitions that the FSes would be on |
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| 20:33.08 | jez9999 | petn-randall: hmm, really? why is that necessary |
| 20:33.10 | petn-randall | jez9999: And read the release notes every time and prepare accordingly. |
| 20:33.24 | petn-randall | jez9999: Because you can't skip releases. |
| 20:33.28 | DeaDSouL | petn-randall: that didn't fix my problem.. but warn me to replace the hdd soon |
| 20:33.29 | jez9999 | darn. |
| 20:33.54 | jez9999 | so do i just point my sources at the wheezy repos? |
| 20:33.55 | petn-randall | jez9999: Why? The upgrade process is one of the best of all distros. |
| 20:34.17 | petn-randall | jez9999: The release notes has it all covered. |
| 20:34.18 | Pr0metheus | pingfloyd is 3.3 GB a logical size? |
| 20:34.35 | pingfloyd | jez9999: yep, but you still should review the release notes in case of caveats |
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| 20:35.13 | pingfloyd | Pr0metheus: you tell me, I can't see your disk layout |
| 20:35.52 | Pr0metheus | pingfloyd: i have 77GB Filesystem, 3.3 GB Extended Partition and 3.3 GB swap |
| 20:36.20 | pingfloyd | Pr0metheus: then likely your only logical partition is the swap in this case |
| 20:36.33 | pingfloyd | Pr0metheus: you can see how it's layed out with fdisk though |
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| 20:37.45 | Pr0metheus | pingfloyd i still don't get it, filesystem is mounted, swap is mounted, this extended partition of 3.3GB is not mounted, but what does it hold? |
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| 20:38.02 | Pr0metheus | i've opened Disks in Gnome |
| 20:38.09 | pingfloyd | Pr0metheus: extended partition is just a container for logical partitions |
| 20:38.40 | pingfloyd | Pr0metheus: it's how you get past the 4 primary partition limit (make one of them an extended that contains logical partitions) |
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| 20:39.19 | pingfloyd | Pr0metheus: the extended partition doesn't contain any filesystem itself, it's just the container for all of the logical partitions |
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| 20:40.35 | Pr0metheus | pingfloyd so is thing just empty ? |
| 20:41.06 | Pr0metheus | pingfloyd i mean if it contained the rest then it's size shouldn't be equal or greater then the size of the contained logical partitions? |
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| 20:42.27 | madsurfman | lo |
| 20:42.36 | madsurfman | question : |
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| 20:45.18 | winsen | pingfloyed: try pgrep -a wicd >bash: try: command not found |
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| 20:45.30 | greycat | *boggle* |
| 20:45.36 | pingfloyd | winsen: don't use try as the command |
| 20:46.34 | Pr0metheus | pingfloyd: ok i got it, the extended partition contains the swap, thanks for the help |
| 20:47.48 | pingfloyd | no problem |
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| 20:54.13 | Strykar | could someone using squid3 on jessie take a look at my config? squid3 isn't listening on port 3128, on any port for that matter. -http://paste.ubuntu.com/23065581/ |
| 20:55.33 | cflag | Trying to setup distcc on an Arch master -> Debian slave and no matter what I try it fails to distribute. Any ideas? |
| 20:56.04 | cflag | Set the hosts in all the config files I can find in the docs, but Arch and Debian distcc seem very different. |
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| 20:57.53 | Elronnd | What's the difference between DVD-1, 2, and 3.iso? |
| 20:57.56 | Elronnd | and which one do I want? |
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| 20:58.17 | cflag | Elronnd, Do you have a network connection on the PC you are installing to? |
| 20:58.24 | Elronnd | cflag: yes |
| 20:58.41 | cflag | The netinstall iso on the frontpage is the easiest. |
| 20:59.05 | cflag | The DVD iso's are in the event that you don't have a network. |
| 20:59.07 | unborn | netinstall is best option |
| 20:59.34 | cflag | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.5.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:59.42 | Elronnd | I'm installing stretch |
| 20:59.56 | cflag | Change the repos to point at strech when you boot the CD. |
| 20:59.59 | Elronnd | Which isn't there |
| 21:00.22 | Elronnd | cflag: wait, it lets you load a shell before it does its thing? |
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| 21:00.37 | cflag | Yup, iirc it's under Advanced Installation |
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| 21:01.10 | Elronnd | cool |
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| 21:02.39 | unborn | Elronnd: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 21:02.44 | unborn | or you can use that.. |
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| 21:03.17 | unborn | that is exactly netinstall http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 21:15.43 | leba2 | I'm still having the problem with ntp. |
| 21:15.45 | leba2 | This time I summarized all my commands in a pastebin |
| 21:15.47 | leba2 | http://pastebin.com/WJcwhrqd |
| 21:16.00 | leba2 | Errors in lines 70.79 are the ones |
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| 21:16.19 | gebruiker | I want to install liqourix kernel, and I am running stable. It depends on gcc-5 |
| 21:16.24 | gebruiker | does mixing stable and unstable repisotories work? |
| 21:16.41 | babilen | We strongly advice against mixing stable and unstable |
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| 21:17.39 | gebruiker | babilen, i would like to install the liqourix kernel, is there no other choice than the upgrade to sid? |
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| 21:18.18 | babilen | Why do you need that kernel? |
| 21:18.56 | gebruiker | for gaming workloads |
| 21:19.10 | gebruiker | also general desktop use |
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| 21:20.27 | babilen | I'd advice against it and would just stay on stable with backports. You could grab a 4.6 kernel from jessie-backports, but if you desperately need liquirix then .. well .. use a platform that comes with gcc-5 |
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| 21:21.17 | gebruiker | could you elaborate why you advise against liqourix ? |
| 21:21.41 | petn-randall | gebruiker: Less tested, and you need to depend on their security support. |
| 21:22.05 | petn-randall | gebruiker: I doubt that you will notice any different with a double-blind study in real-life scenarios. |
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| 21:24.28 | petn-randall | If even phoronix only benchmarked a few percent in either direction, I doubt theres any difference if you'd do proper benchmarks. |
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| 21:44.08 | Kylie13 | Hello. :) I'm looking for someone that can upload the untouched Debian 8.5 wallpapers straight from the OS. :) |
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| 21:53.11 | sharkman | how do i make a program start up from upgrade-rc.d as a user NOT as root |
| 21:54.03 | wsky | su for instance |
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| 21:55.17 | gebruiker | why is there no glrx-driver in testing or sid? |
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| 21:58.09 | babilen | gebruiker: What would that driver be for? |
| 21:58.18 | babilen | Are you referring to fglrx? |
| 21:58.44 | gebruiker | yes babilen, fglrx drive for ATI |
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| 21:58.54 | babilen | Well, you said glrx : |
| 21:58.56 | babilen | ) |
| 22:00.06 | leba2 | Is it really that a debian jessie minimal installation has by default disabled access to root user via ssh? Because I always get "access denied" for root, but not for normal users... |
| 22:00.26 | babilen | leba2: Yes, that is the case. |
| 22:00.40 | babilen | leba2: See /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 22:00.41 | leba2 | Oooohhhhh |
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| 22:01.24 | pingfloyd | gebruiker: : I assume you have non-free added to your sources.list |
| 22:01.47 | babilen | gebruiker: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/05/msg00043.html |
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| 22:03.03 | pingfloyd | would be nice if they waited just a bit longer |
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| 22:03.27 | babilen | Why? |
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| 22:04.26 | pingfloyd | I think radeon and amdgpu still aren't quite there as a complete replacement |
| 22:04.58 | babilen | https://tjaalton.wordpress.com/2016/03/11/no-catalystfglrx-video-driver-in-ubuntu-16-04/ |
| 22:05.05 | pingfloyd | they've come a long way in the last few years, but there are still cases where they're not quite up to par |
| 22:05.07 | babilen | So old news |
| 22:05.09 | gebruiker | babilen, well lets see how well amdgpu performs |
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| 22:05.30 | pingfloyd | I wouldn't put much stock on ubuntu's decisions |
| 22:05.39 | babilen | pingfloyd: It's still available in the current stable release |
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| 22:06.22 | babilen | pingfloyd: Well, that article details some background to the reason for why the driver was removed. I'm sure you can easily find more. Thought that it might be of interest to at least gebruiker |
| 22:06.22 | pingfloyd | babilen: I know, but the will it be where it needs to be by next stable? That seems a bit optimistic to me. |
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| 22:06.45 | gebruiker | babilen, are you running xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu ? how does it compare to the proprietary driver? |
| 22:06.51 | babilen | fglrx didn't support the current Xorg version, didn't it? |
| 22:07.03 | babilen | I haven't touched AMD in years |
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| 22:08.11 | pingfloyd | fglrx has its share of problems, but the oss drivers don't still quite perform as well. It's not really much consequence to me since I don't play demanding games though. |
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| 22:09.32 | babilen | The areas where I need GPUs are when I'm running some machine learning code and I really don't care about games at all. My impression was that the driver didn't really support the Xorg version and was removed as it sort of reached end of life |
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| 22:10.05 | babilen | Well ... I still use Intel GPUs |
| 22:10.20 | Kylie13 | Hello. :) I'm looking for someone that can upload the untouched Debian 8.5 wallpapers straight from the OS. :) |
| 22:10.37 | babilen | Kylie13: Can't you grab them yourself? |
| 22:10.50 | Kylie13 | babilen: I'm not at the Debian box. :) |
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| 22:11.45 | leba2 | I was told before that, unlike other distros, Debian gets all needed software with just the default 3 repos in sources.list. But then, what are these repos for? https://linuxgnublog.org/mis-repositorios-de-debian-jessie-main-contrib-non-free/ |
| 22:11.46 | n-iCe | is the disc iso #1 the gnome one? |
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| 22:12.00 | babilen | Kylie13: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/desktop-base + https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/desktop-base |
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| 22:12.32 | Kylie13 | babilen: What do I do with those links? |
| 22:12.37 | babilen | n-iCe: Which disk are you referring to exactly? |
| 22:13.10 | babilen | Kylie13: You could download the package or grab the images from subversion. You can unpack the .deb with ar if you don't have dpkg around and then untar the files therein. |
| 22:13.30 | gebruiker | Odd. https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ generates sid-proposed-updates but it does not seem to exist |
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| 22:13.39 | Kylie13 | babilen: Hm. Would be so much easier if someone on Debian could just help me. |
| 22:13.47 | babilen | gebruiker: God, don't use that website! |
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| 22:14.11 | babilen | gebruiker: It is more than broken and we tried multiple times to get the person who runs it to take it down, but to no avail |
| 22:14.37 | babilen | Kylie13: Why? You can just download the files yourself .. I mean, you would have to do that anyway |
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| 22:14.50 | gebruiker | babilen, alternatives? |
| 22:14.58 | babilen | Kylie13: https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/debian-desktop/packages/trunk/desktop-base/ |
| 22:15.02 | babilen | gebruiker: What do you need? |
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| 22:16.09 | gebruiker | babilen, going to dist upgrade to sid, but just found out all it needs is sid main contrib non-free |
| 22:16.09 | doublehp | how do i change my timezone and kbd layout non interactively ? |
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| 22:16.14 | Kylie13 | babilen: Dang it. Of course they have to be .svg files. |
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| 22:16.48 | n-iCe | babilen, debian-8.5.0-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 22:16.49 | babilen | gebruiker: You could use http://paste.debian.net/790167/ |
| 22:16.51 | nkuttler | doublehp: you should only need to set the timezone during install.. |
| 22:17.00 | leba2 | babilen: the only root-related thing I see in sshd_config is "PermitRootLogin without-password". Neither this nor any other line implies to me that root login is not allowed... |
| 22:17.04 | nkuttler | doublehp: as for the keymap, it depends on what you want i guess.. |
| 22:17.26 | doublehp | nkuttler: the point is to automate install |
| 22:17.30 | babilen | n-iCe: Yes, that would install Gnome by default (and contains Gnome packages) but you can also use that installer for installer other desktop environments (for which it would then have to download packages) |
| 22:17.47 | nkuttler | !tell doublehp about preseeding |
| 22:17.47 | babilen | leba2: How are you trying to log in? |
| 22:18.03 | n-iCe | babilen, the question is, how can the gnome3 iso be smaller than the lxde or xfce iso? |
| 22:18.07 | babilen | leba2: Sorry, I assumed that you referred to the inability to log in with a password |
| 22:18.32 | gebruiker | babilen, thanks! |
| 22:18.59 | babilen | n-iCe: Does the Gnome ISO contain everything you need to install the entire Gnome desktop task? I haven't used a non netinstall images in ages and am not sure if it is "complete" |
| 22:19.19 | babilen | I should know that :) |
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| 22:19.27 | n-iCe | babilen, not talking about net-install disks, talking about full installation disks, look http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 22:19.33 | babilen | I kno |
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| 22:19.46 | gebruiker | babilen, out of curiosity why do you chose to mix? |
| 22:19.51 | Klaus_Dieter | leba2: n-iCe depending on what is on that iso it may have any size. |
| 22:20.04 | leba2 | babilen: debian jessie 8.5 x64 minimal installation, just selected packages "ssh server" and "standard system utilities"; now I'm trying to log in this debian pc from another pc via ssh, by using "ssh root@(debian_pc's_ip)". When asked for the user's (root in this case) password, I always get "access denied". |
| 22:20.10 | n-iCe | Klaus_Dieter, usually gnome is heavier than xfce or lxde, does not it? |
| 22:20.11 | babilen | I am just saying that I have not used anything else but the network install or netinst images in many many years and am not entirely sure about the contents of CD1 / DVD1 |
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| 22:20.32 | babilen | leba2: Yes, it doesn't allow password based logins |
| 22:20.33 | n-iCe | babilen, I see, can net-install support wifi as network these days? |
| 22:21.21 | leba2 | babilen: what do you mean? Wouldn't that be even more unsecure? So when asked for root's password I'd just hit enter for empty password and I'd be in already? |
| 22:21.30 | babilen | leba2: "If this option is set to âprohibit-passwordâ or âwithout-passwordâ, password and keyboard-interactive authentication are disabled for root." (from sshd_config(5)) |
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| 22:21.46 | babilen | leba2: You would have to use keys |
| 22:21.55 | leba2 | Aaahhhh. |
| 22:21.55 | babilen | (for example) |
| 22:22.03 | leba2 | Thanks sir. |
| 22:22.09 | `Kevin | n-iCe: yes |
| 22:22.41 | babilen | leba2: The basic idea is that it is not a good idea to allow password based logins as the "background noise" of the internet is constantly attacking |
| 22:22.54 | babilen | n-iCe: I tend to use the netinstall with firmware |
| 22:22.57 | leba2 | Aaaaaahhhhhhhhh |
| 22:22.58 | babilen | dpkg: firmware image |
| 22:22.59 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 22:24.20 | n-iCe | babilen, so, how can I know if I need a firmware? |
| 22:24.45 | babilen | n-iCe: You could check your hardware |
| 22:24.58 | babilen | n-iCe: The output of "lspci -nn" would do nicely |
| 22:25.20 | n-iCe | bash: lspci: command not found |
| 22:25.30 | babilen | n-iCe: But that installer even works if you don't need firmware ;) |
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| 22:25.53 | babilen | n-iCe: Did you install pciutils? |
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| 22:26.17 | n-iCe | babilen, one more thing, does netinstall install the same as if I download the disc1 .iso ? or less stuff |
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| 22:27.33 | babilen | The installer is exactly the same. The difference is that CD1/DVD1/.. contain a different (and larger) set of packages and some have different options set to begin with. The netinst installer will just have to download a bit more during the installation and installs Gnome by default *iff* you install the Desktop task. |
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| 22:27.44 | babilen | You can use each installer to install whatever you like though .. |
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| 22:28.21 | gebruiker | any good tool to burn iso to usb? ( linux install ) ? |
| 22:28.22 | babilen | DVD and CD sets are primarily meant for people who want to perform offline installations |
| 22:28.31 | babilen | gebruiker: On which operating system? |
| 22:29.00 | n-iCe | gebruiker, I like dd |
| 22:29.09 | gebruiker | babilen, debian |
| 22:29.09 | n-iCe | babilen, ok, thanks, think gonna try the netinstall |
| 22:29.30 | missmbob_ | gebruiker: which os are you using to create the usb is what he meant |
| 22:29.40 | babilen | gebruiker: You could use "cp /path/to/image.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" (with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb and your usb stick) |
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| 22:30.07 | `Kevin | n-iCe: CD/DVDs are typically somewhat dated package versions, the installer uses the CD/DVD dirs as a REPO versus.. netinstall uses the repos available online to download the packages from as you need |
| 22:30.14 | gebruiker | missmbob_, mint iso on usb. using debian |
| 22:30.18 | babilen | gebruiker: And yes, missmbob_ is right in that I mean the OS you use for creating/writing the image to your USB stick |
| 22:30.44 | missmbob_ | gebruiker: then the cp thing babilen showed you was the best bet |
| 22:30.51 | babilen | gebruiker: I am not familiar with the mint installer. You should ask them, but I would expect/hope that you can just copy it. |
| 22:30.58 | babilen | dpkg: mint |
| 22:30.58 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 22:31.01 | babilen | gebruiker: ^ |
| 22:31.19 | babilen | They might also have a channel on Freenode |
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| 22:31.29 | gebruiker | ok |
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| 22:32.58 | duckx0r | I have several KVM images running on my server and it seems that anyone with SSH access can execute `virt-viewer --connect qemu+ssh://hostname/system vmname` from their local computer and can gain access to the VMs. Is there a way to, say, only allow users in a specific group to have access to the VMs? I tried `chown root:kvm /usr/bin/vir* && chmod o-rx /usr/bin/vir*` but that didn't work. |
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| 22:33.20 | doublehp | nkuttler: I think debconf-set-selections is enough, but, after using it, dpkg-reconfigure still asks me questions |
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| 22:34.09 | babilen | duckx0r: Why didn't that work? |
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| 22:35.11 | duckx0r | babilen, because I can still execute `virt-viewer --connect qemu+ssh://username@hostname/system vmname` where username is a user that is not in the kvm group |
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| 22:37.25 | babilen | duckx0r: Are you sure? That user shouldn't be allowed to execute it |
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| 22:38.12 | babilen | I'm not doubting you and I haven't looked into this further, but your commands should have removed the executable permission for all others (which would be the case for users that are not root nor in the kvm group) |
| 22:38.30 | duckx0r | babilen, could it be that since it's over SSH that it's actually being executed as root? |
| 22:38.30 | babilen | Shouldn't they? ACLs? stat output? |
| 22:38.50 | babilen | You would be the user you are .. what does "id" give you? |
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| 22:39.43 | duckx0r | babilen, uid=1004(mayan) gid=1006(mayan) groups=1006(mayan),1138(pootle) |
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| 22:40.06 | babilen | Yeah, that user shouldn't be able to execute /usr/bin/virt-viewer |
| 22:40.38 | duckx0r | babilen, virt-viewer is on the remote computer though |
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| 22:41.18 | babilen | You changed the permissions there, didn't you? |
| 22:41.20 | pingfloyd | duckx0r: ssh in as the user and type groups |
| 22:41.38 | babilen | pingfloyd: See "id" output earlier |
| 22:42.18 | duckx0r | babilen, On the server I executed chown root:kvm /usr/bin/vir* && chmod o-rx /usr/bin/vir* |
| 22:42.23 | pingfloyd | was that id output within the ssh session? |
| 22:42.38 | babilen | pingfloyd: I would hope so, because that is what we are talking about |
| 22:42.39 | duckx0r | pingfloyd, yes, that was the output of id over ssh |
| 22:42.50 | babilen | But good question . |
| 22:42.56 | babilen | Assumptions are evil ;) |
| 22:43.01 | duckx0r | yep |
| 22:43.04 | pingfloyd | indeed they are |
| 22:43.12 | pingfloyd | they're the nemesis of troubleshooting |
| 22:43.19 | gebruiker | assumptions are like my ex gf |
| 22:43.37 | babilen | It's getting a bit late here now ... I think I'll let you guys figure this one out. Good luck and good night! |
| 22:43.46 | duckx0r | thanks anyway babilen |
| 22:43.51 | gebruiker | 'night |
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| 22:55.06 | doublehp | http://pastebin.com/gBj9avj4 reconfigure is ignoring my selections; why ? |
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| 23:02.15 | themill | doublehp: dpkg-reconfigure works in the opposite direction; the settings for packages you have installed are NOT stored by debconf. debconf is not a registry |
| 23:02.58 | themill | debconf is also not a configuration management tool |
| 23:03.06 | doublehp | themill: then what do i do after debconf-set-selections ? |
| 23:03.27 | themill | nothing, that's never going to work |
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| 23:03.54 | themill | debconf will not overwrite configuration in files. (if it does, it's a severity:serious bug) |
| 23:04.06 | doublehp | themill: preseed seems for complete install; i just want to automate a few packages |
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| 23:04.26 | themill | preseed is *pre* -- it's before the installation |
| 23:04.51 | themill | You can preseed only a few answers and do the rest manuall |
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| 23:04.52 | themill | y |
| 23:05.13 | doublehp | i want to automate "the rest" |
| 23:05.44 | themill | so automate everything? |
| 23:06.05 | themill | That would be preseeding all the answers. |
| 23:06.08 | doublehp | kbd layout, locales, language , tz |
| 23:06.35 | themill | So preseed those 4 things |
| 23:07.08 | themill | Or do it afterwards with a crappy little shell script that blats in your settings for those 4 things |
| 23:07.46 | doublehp | that's what I am failing on |
| 23:08.01 | doublehp | and i don't understand preseed |
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| 23:12.36 | nname31 | hello how can enable h264 video for opera (twitter video)? |
| 23:12.48 | pingfloyd | doublehp: the easiest way would be having your script rename the config files there and then install your custom ones |
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| 23:13.49 | hassoon | ffs i just did sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:13.51 | hassoon | what should i do |
| 23:13.57 | hassoon | it happened by mistale |
| 23:13.59 | doublehp | pingfloyd: which scripts ? |
| 23:14.02 | hassoon | * mistake |
| 23:14.08 | missmbob | !tell hassoon about sources.list |
| 23:14.17 | doublehp | I don't understand how to load preseed script after boot, for further apt-get |
| 23:14.34 | pingfloyd | doublehp: you don't need preseed after dist install and boot |
| 23:15.08 | doublehp | pingfloyd: i was told 10mn that debconf-set-selections can't do it; if preseed also can't, what can ??? |
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| 23:15.36 | pingfloyd | a simple shell script |
| 23:16.21 | doublehp | echo 'Europe/Paris' >/etc/timezone -- what's the equivalent for layout , locales, and language ? |
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| 23:16.58 | missmbob | doublehp: why the hell are you doing this manually? |
| 23:17.03 | missmbob | !locales |
| 23:17.03 | dpkg | Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 23:17.17 | missmbob | dpkg-reconfigure the bitch ^ |
| 23:17.54 | doublehp | missmbob: to automate some changes during install, and I Was said i can't do it with preseed of set-selections |
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| 23:18.12 | missmbob | doublehp: ever thought cloning would be a better option? |
| 23:18.14 | pingfloyd | and then if you if need to have this set on multiple systems, just cp /etc/default/locale |
| 23:18.41 | doublehp | missmbob: no; it's about 15y I know cloning is not a good solution |
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| 23:20.41 | jim | missmbob: if it's a complete clone, it has config options copied from the original, some of which you might not want |
| 23:20.56 | doublehp | I don't understand; I already have a pre-installation process that works; now, I have only _4_ packages I need to reconfigure by script, and you are telling me it's impossible ? |
| 23:21.16 | missmbob | jim: clonezilla's server for deployment pretty much takes care of things |
| 23:21.37 | Pr0metheus | i have restored an image to a disk using fsarchiver, i now want to install grub but when i run grub-install i get "is /dev mounted?". My partition /dev/sda1 is the root and contains a boot folder |
| 23:21.54 | jim | missmbob, other things do too |
| 23:22.11 | jim | like preseed |
| 23:22.15 | missmbob | jim: i know. i'm not the one who stepped in with cloning not being able to handle it or whatever you were saying :P |
| 23:22.31 | doublehp | jim I was told 5mn ago preseed cant' do it |
| 23:22.31 | missmbob | jim: okay. tell him how to fix his preseed problem |
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| 23:22.56 | jim | can't do which? |
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| 23:23.22 | alphazulu | how to handle mounting smb shares on a laptop that's not always on the same network? if i put it in fstab then when i'm on a different network it messes everything up |
| 23:23.34 | doublehp | automatically configure non interactively 4 packages after first boot: locales, langs, layout, tz |
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| 23:24.13 | alphazulu | also a similar problem related to network interface. if i have it in /etc/network/interfaces and then i boot on another network it stalls because it can't find the ap |
| 23:24.26 | doublehp | alphazulu: laptop tools can run scripts depending on SSID; as long as you don't have the same SSID at different places, it can do |
| 23:24.52 | jim | doublehp, to take the tz as an example, it might not be able to tell which tz it's in, so would need "help" |
| 23:25.25 | jim | locales similar, it's your preference |
| 23:25.33 | doublehp | alphazulu: also, you could write a cron script that checks in iwconfig if you are connected to particular SSID, and do the mount if required |
| 23:26.24 | alphazulu | doublehp: is there some gui app i can use (under KDE preferably) that will handle these things? |
| 23:26.27 | doublehp | jim I always want Europe/Paris, French, en_GB.UTF8 |
| 23:26.36 | themill | doublehp: preseeding is for setting the debconf options *before* the package is installed. You can preseed these values just fine, you just need to do so *before* the package is installed. |
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| 23:26.55 | doublehp | alphazulu: i don't know |
| 23:26.57 | themill | doublehp: You are currently trying to do it *after* the package is installed and that is what cannot ever work |
| 23:27.02 | jim | doublehp, I think you could edit the preseed file with those |
| 23:27.22 | doublehp | themill: i want to change details after installation |
| 23:28.04 | themill | Then for those packages that are already installed, there is nothing pre about your preseeding of information and it will not work |
| 23:28.28 | jim | (a) you can do that, (b) that's not preseed as it's after the install |
| 23:28.34 | hassoon | meh this helped https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 23:28.44 | themill | hassoon: no, please do not use that site |
| 23:28.55 | doublehp | => "echo 'Europe/Paris' >/etc/timezone" what's the equivalent for layout , locales, and language ? |
| 23:29.14 | jim | themill, curious, why not? |
| 23:29.16 | hassoon | themill: why wouldn't I, it's giving me true repository lines |
| 23:29.22 | themill | !debgen |
| 23:29.22 | dpkg | Websites that generate a <sources.list> for you (like http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/) create terrible sources.list files with syntax errors, encourage you to mix releases or even distributions and do silly things like using "stable" instead of the code name. Instead, ask me about <wheezy sources.list> or <jessie sources.list>. |
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| 23:29.58 | hassoon | !dpkg jessie sources.list |
| 23:29.59 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 23:30.20 | hassoon | themill: d'oh what's wit hthe *httpredir.* |
| 23:30.23 | hassoon | * with the * |
| 23:30.29 | leba2 | Hello again. If I need a certain service to load before other, is it good idea to edit (daemon).service, and put After=(other_service).service? Or is it actually "hacky", "workaround-esque", "unorthodox"? |
| 23:30.31 | jim | what defines "httpredir"? |
| 23:30.41 | themill | 'defines'? |
| 23:30.42 | hassoon | jim: yeah i mean how should i replace that |
| 23:30.45 | hassoon | i'm a bit confused |
| 23:30.50 | themill | why should you replace it with anythign? |
| 23:30.52 | hassoon | i don't remember the exact format |
| 23:31.02 | themill | the exact format is exactly what dpkg said... |
| 23:31.10 | hassoon | themill: cause it should be something like fr. or de. or whatever no ? |
| 23:31.15 | hassoon | themill: ah |
| 23:31.15 | themill | no |
| 23:31.22 | hassoon | i thought that's a prototype |
| 23:31.45 | jim | themill, well is it debian? or beyond? if former, which package? if latter, do you happen to know the details? |
| 23:32.18 | themill | jim: what? |
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| 23:32.22 | doublehp | so, how do i reconfigure keyboard-configuration non interactively ? |
| 23:33.04 | leba2 | Hello again. If I need a certain service to load before other, is it good idea to edit (daemon).service, and put After=(other_service).service? Or is it actually "hacky", "workaround-esque", "unorthodox"? |
| 23:33.40 | hassoon | themill: d'oh it's there already https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 23:33.56 | jim | hassoon, probably the biggest problem is getting a sources.list that mixes either dists or versions, specifically what happens is you "inherit" an additional dependency tree, and -that- leads to dependency hell, frankendebians, etc. it's -very- hard to recover from that |
| 23:33.56 | themill | jim: are you asking how DNS works? |
| 23:34.05 | babilen | dpkg: httpredir.debian.org |
| 23:34.05 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main". See http://httpredir.debian.org/ for more information. The redirector uses HTTP 302 redirects not DNS to serve content so is safe to use with Google DNS. See also <which httpredir.debian.org>. This service is identical to http.debian.net. |
| 23:34.12 | babilen | jim: ^ |
| 23:34.24 | hassoon | jim: meh i read the sources.list file and check it anyway |
| 23:34.32 | doublehp | themill: http://serverfault.com/questions/539911/setting-debconf-selections-for-keyboard-configuration-fails-layout-ends-up-as many other websites recommend the same approach: debconf-set-selections + dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive |
| 23:34.59 | hassoon | jim: it's not like i'm clueless when it comes to repositories lines |
| 23:34.59 | pingfloyd | hassoon: note: depending if you use it or not, in addition you might append contrib non-free to each of those sources lines |
| 23:35.03 | hassoon | deb and deb-src |
| 23:35.04 | hassoon | etc |
| 23:35.49 | hassoon | pingfloyd: sorry what was the issue ? |
| 23:36.08 | pingfloyd | hassoon: that's in regards to your sources.list file |
| 23:37.36 | jim | themill, no... so there are these strings, http, https, ftp, ssh, git, probably more... and there's another, the one I got curious about, "httpredir"... when I look at the definition of a url, these strings go in the "protocol" slot... so what I'm wondering, is how did the protocol httpredir: come about |
| 23:37.51 | jim | and, it's just an idle curioustiy |
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| 23:38.05 | hassoon | App::Nopaste::Service::Codepeek: No form defined at /usr/share/perl5/App/Nopaste/Service/Codepeek.pm line 19. |
| 23:38.09 | hassoon | this is how my sources.list looks like anyway http://paste.debian.net/790173/ |
| 23:38.09 | hassoon | lewlw |
| 23:38.18 | hassoon | what was that first line |
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| 23:38.27 | hassoon | i did this: /exec -o nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list |xclip; echo "this is how my sources.list looks like anyway $(xclip -o)" |
| 23:38.54 | TomTomTosch | jim: httpredir is not the protocol but the subdomain for the httpredir service. |
| 23:39.22 | TomTomTosch | jim: it's http://httpredir.debian.org |
| 23:39.47 | jim | TomTomTosch, oh, ok, thanks |
| 23:39.51 | pingfloyd | hassoon: looks okay to me |
| 23:40.03 | jim | me too |
| 23:40.24 | jim | that particular sources.list doesn't mix other stuff |
| 23:40.24 | wsky | wooo nanananana |
| 23:40.58 | pingfloyd | hassoon: though you don't have the trailing / in the uri (not sure if it matters or not). |
| 23:41.16 | hassoon | pingfloyd: i'd like to comment my sources.list file |
| 23:41.24 | hassoon | to differenciate each section from others |
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| 23:41.33 | pingfloyd | # comments |
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| 23:42.09 | hassoon | pingfloyd: yeah i mean.. |
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| 23:43.47 | n-iCe | is debian testing sort of a rolling out release distro? I mean, will it upgrade to the next version of debian or should I download a new .iso once a new version is out? |
| 23:44.23 | hassoon | i mean i want to know what to write when describing each section http://paste.debian.net/790175/ |
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| 23:44.27 | pingfloyd | n-iCe: it's basically rolling release, but it depends how you reference it in source.list in regards to the second part of your question |
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| 23:45.47 | pingfloyd | n-iCe: i.e., whether you're referencing as stretch or testing |
| 23:45.48 | n-iCe | pingfloyd, so, we need to change the code name in sources.list? in order to migrate? |
| 23:46.08 | pingfloyd | n-iCe: yeah, once it changes if you want to stay on testing |
| 23:46.57 | n-iCe | pingfloyd, but that can be dangerous, don't you think? |
| 23:47.02 | pingfloyd | it's probably a better idea to reference by code name instead of release name so then it on your terms when it major updates |
| 23:47.54 | hassoon | pingfloyd: yeah i mean what is the section 1 for, and 2 |
| 23:48.03 | hassoon | the third one is clearly for security updates |
| 23:48.04 | pingfloyd | n-iCe: there can be some sawdust when testing becomes the next stable |
| 23:48.25 | hassoon | lewl so you're talking to n-iCe |
| 23:49.30 | n-iCe | :p |
| 23:49.53 | hassoon | oh never mind |
| 23:50.07 | AbstractArtist | Anyone know where i can get some coton |
| 23:50.10 | hassoon | i'm already reading the debian handbook, and yet i'm already in the sources.list section ! |
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| 23:50.26 | hassoon | and i'm given a commented exemple of sources.list |
| 23:50.26 | hassoon | lewl |
| 23:50.42 | hassoon | https://i.imgur.com/FxKfYZ5.png |
| 23:50.46 | hassoon | :D |
| 23:51.30 | jgrasser | that is a really nice kde setup |
| 23:51.39 | hassoon | :v |
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| 23:54.08 | doublehp | themill pingfloyd alphazulu missmbob jim : thank you; I think I have done it; testing over night. |
| 23:54.24 | TomTomTosch | that format looks a bit broken. is that the pdf? |
| 23:54.37 | hassoon | TomTomTosch: no, epub |
| 23:54.43 | hassoon | another book format |
| 23:54.50 | pingfloyd | doublehp: no problem |
| 23:54.51 | jim | how can I tell whether my boot is legacy or uefi? |
| 23:54.52 | hassoon | i'm using fbreader to read that, TomTomTosch |
| 23:55.08 | hassoon | jim: from your bios menu |
| 23:55.25 | jim | what about when I'm running debian? |
| 23:55.41 | jim | I heard there are files |
| 23:56.15 | hassoon | ah yeah there must be, not sure what are they anyway |
| 23:56.28 | pingfloyd | the existence of ESP can be a clue |
| 23:56.32 | TomTomTosch | yeah, the pdf is much nicer formated. not sure what happened to the french epub. |
| 23:56.41 | hassoon | jim: i would say try something like lshw, and it will tell you in detail how your HDD is set |
| 23:56.51 | hassoon | TomTomTosch: what ? |
| 23:56.54 | hassoon | TomTomTosch: define nicer |
| 23:57.17 | pingfloyd | EFI system partition |
| 23:57.24 | TomTomTosch | the file in its own box and every line actually on a new line. |
| 23:58.08 | hassoon | TomTomTosch: the pdf version of the said book has a size of 35 MB, and the epub-version's size is 5 MB, and it's as clear as the pdf one, what is it |
| 23:58.21 | jim | found it... it's /sys/firmware/efi |
| 23:58.21 | hassoon | TomTomTosch: yep, that's the definition of the book |
| 23:58.23 | hassoon | :D |
| 23:58.32 | hassoon | jim: how did you find it |
| 23:58.42 | jim | ls-ed around |
| 23:58.53 | jim | looked at /proc and /sys |
| 23:59.06 | hassoon | ok |
| 23:59.27 | hassoon | jim: also in EFI systems, there is a dedicated partition called efi anyway |
| 23:59.28 | jim | do you have /sys/firmware? |
| 23:59.36 | pingfloyd | hassoon: that's the ESP |
| 23:59.44 | hassoon | !dpkg ESP |
| 23:59.44 | dpkg | I don't have extra-sensory perception (mind-reading powers). If you're asked a question or to run a command and provide output, it's because information is needed to help _you_ solve your problem. If you don't cooperate, or don't clearly state your problem, we can't help, and will move on to someone else. Understand? |
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| 23:59.46 | jim | I'm aware of that :) I had to make it |
